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AICN EXCLUSIVE! Moriarty’s Been Hearing Some Rumors About STAR TREK...

First, and thank you once again Mory by irc-Hollywood	Aug 30th, 2007 04:19:06 AM
great article..I'm sure. ;-0
1st!!!!! by Leafy McPlantsalot	Aug 30th, 2007 04:23:52 AM
scared but optimistic. Still wish next generation would have gotten a better send off. So many missed story options with them. Hope this rocks.
shit 2nd!!!!! by Leafy McPlantsalot	Aug 30th, 2007 04:24:14 AM
and now 3rd...
Remember when this article would be a script review? by MaxTheSilent	Aug 30th, 2007 04:24:48 AM
But considering AICN folds like a house of card at every whiff of a cease-and-desist, I doubt we'll get one of those until the studios secretly consent to allow the site to post one.
Third, but i'm Jewish and don't care... by SonOfTorah	Aug 30th, 2007 04:25:47 AM
Scrag it, forget the alternate universe horseshit, just fill in the gaps of the original Trek series and get done with it already!
Denny Crane! by DerLanghaarige	Aug 30th, 2007 04:26:39 AM
That's all I got to say at the moment. Let's see how it turns out. I trust Abrams, but there is still a chance that he screws it.
Wasn't.... by thinboyslim.	Aug 30th, 2007 04:31:10 AM
...Captain Christopher Pike the first captain of the Enterprise, why would that change if Kirk never existed?
In this alt universe, does Ro Laren end up on DS9? by Shermdawg	Aug 30th, 2007 04:33:35 AM
God I wish Forbes had done that show.
JENSEN ACKLES FOR KIRK!!! by Shermdawg	Aug 30th, 2007 04:35:16 AM
What's the hold up J.J.?
Max... by TheRealMoriarty	Aug 30th, 2007 04:37:55 AM
... if I'd read it, I would have been clear about that, and it would have been more of a script review. I haven't, though. I just had dinner with some friends tonight, and one of them, let's say, has a very nice office on Melrose. I'll say no more.
TIME TRAVEL?! NOOOOOOOOOO... by Wilclas	Aug 30th, 2007 04:38:29 AM
...And I am third?
SHIT! by Wilclas	Aug 30th, 2007 04:38:52 AM
You guys are FAST!
Isn't guarding timelines the by Dingbatty	Aug 30th, 2007 04:38:59 AM
Isn't guarding timelines the purview of the Federation timeships of the 29th century?
Facinating! by DeaksUK	Aug 30th, 2007 04:42:45 AM
I'm along for the ride!
So, what you're saying, Moriarty... by Gil Brooks	Aug 30th, 2007 05:00:26 AM
...is that after dinner, you realized you were too drunk to drive home, and one of your "friends" invited you back to his place, you liked his apartment, and...? Lurid details, please!
Gil... by TheRealMoriarty	Aug 30th, 2007 05:02:15 AM
... it's like you were right there with me! I'm still trying to figure out why my pants are on backwards now, though...
Actually Shermie...... by RighteousBrother	Aug 30th, 2007 05:03:30 AM
that's not a bad casting choice.
Seriously, though... by Gil Brooks	Aug 30th, 2007 05:04:07 AM
...put your pants on the right way. Kriss Kross already tried, and failed, to make that popular in the early 90's.
Oh, and... by Gil Brooks	Aug 30th, 2007 05:05:54 AM
...being a casual Trek fan, this news doesn't upset me. The Trek stuff over the last 10 years has sucked, so I'm open to something that shakes it up.
Are "Future Guy" and Captain Archer involed? by Rolling_Stone	Aug 30th, 2007 05:08:52 AM
Because we all know how well that great time travel plotline worked out.
The first captain was....... by the ageless stranger	Aug 30th, 2007 05:19:23 AM
...the never-seen Robert April! I'll go now.......
Great Christ! MORE grandfather paradoxes?!? by DarkHawke	Aug 30th, 2007 05:23:22 AM
Y'know, like the ones Next Gen was famous for, epitomized by the grand debacle of illogic and desperately moronic plotting that was "Star Trek: Generations?" In a nutshell, it's not just that you can't kill your own grandfather via time travel, it's that you can't really change ANY previous event without thereby removing the motivation that sent you back in time to make that change. Sure, if I went back in time to kill Hitler before he came to power, World War II wouldn't have happened, but then you follow this new timeline up to the point at which I go back in time to kill Hitler...and I have no reason to do it 'cause I have no idea who the fuck this "Adolf Hitler" guy was! If you're gonna reboot the Star Trek universe, have the fuckin' balls to just to reboot it, and not screw around with the kind of bullshit TECH that was the depressingly defining aspect of the Berman/Braga era! I submit, though, that there's no good reason to even bother with the original crew. As geek-psyched as I am at the prospect of seeing Zachary Quinto done up in Spock ears, I gotta ask, why? What does it add to what's already been done with the original crew? Maybe my imagination's more limited than Mr. Abrams, but I can't think of a damn thing. Sure, the Original Star Trek wasn't a thing of perfection, but when it was good, it was VERY VERY good, obviously. They're already doing the best thing that you could do with the original crew--clean up the special effects and otherwise leave it the fuck alone! If it's stood the test of time at ten, twenty, thirty and now forty years, then it's all but timeless and needn't be bothered with again. You wanna be bold? Then take up any one of the thousand different post-24th century apocalyptic Trek scenarios that have been postulated and go with one o' them! Kick some doors down and piss all over the highly overrated and overstated "optimistic" Roddenberry future! Anyone who knows beans about what the Original Star Trek got right (and what the sequel series got wrong almost all the time) knows it was a combination of great acting, characterization and bold stories that gave us the best of what we know as Star Trek today. Sure, there was the occasional Next Gen ep that got it right, and DS9 did it pretty well before it was Worfed, but any wheels that were on that particular bus came off thereafter, leaving Voyager and Enterprise to skid towards ignominious oblivion. The point being that you don't NEED your captain to have the name Kirk to create a compelling and interesting character, and just naming your ship Enterprise doesn't guarantee that it'll boldly go where no man has gone before! That said, and having already admitted a paucity of imagination in this context, I'm gonna give ol' J.J. the benefit of the doubt till I see it for myself. We're still in heavy rumor stage at this point, and I remind myself that I was BIG-TIME against Star Trek II sight unseen, simply because I was against killing off Spock. Then I saw it, had a good cry and embraced it like a first-born child! I don't mean to piss on your cornflakes about the potential of Abrams helming of the Trek franchise, Mori, but the sword Paramount handed him has not just one, but two edges. Let's hope he knows which one to use.
So how much Doth Drew really know here-? by TomBodet	Aug 30th, 2007 05:26:12 AM
-more than he sayeth. Which is good. Personally-? I'd rather hear what his pallie Darabont had in mind for Indy, myself. No really. THAT would something of interest, seems like.
Wow by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks	Aug 30th, 2007 05:33:17 AM
didn't think Abrams could actually do something like this after that Superman debacle. This sounds worse. I don't care about much but ya don't fuck with Kirk, Spock and McCoy.
Stick with it by 2LeggedFreak	Aug 30th, 2007 05:37:44 AM
Some of the reboot stuff can get extremely complicated but, for all there were things that people got themselves into a tizzy over in Abrams "Superman", I think in restrospect that his version would have been 10 million times better than the suck fest Singer producd. Sorry Spock, 10,000,123, 457.2 times better to be exact.
Star Trek is fucked by kwisatzhaderach	Aug 30th, 2007 05:42:51 AM
and has been since about 1991. The first problem with this new project is it doesn't matter who you cast as the three leads, those characters were defined by Shatner, Nimoy and Kelley. They are now legends. They're simply not going to get actors who are going to do as good a job, it's impossible. Think about it, Kirk not played by Shatner? It's a joke. Second problem is MI3 was a terrible film. Full stop. A bad film. Lazy script, lame action sequences, risible denouement. Taken together, this Trek project has a lot of problems to overcome. What Trek really needs is a new crew on the Enterprise, the same way Next Gen redefined Trek 20 years ago. Stop going backwards, Trek should be about going forwards.
First!!!!!!!! by Cagliostro	Aug 30th, 2007 05:47:15 AM
I make a motion to add a filter to this site to keep the word first from appearing in the "first" three talkbacks or so. Either that or actually hand out some kind of award to "first" posters to give them an honest reason for being such dipshits. Just think, if this were Abrams Trek universe we'd never get anywhere cuz everyone would be constantly screwing with the time continuum to post F'n 1rst. Shields Up!
I like it! And get Nathan Fillion to play Kirk. by LlGHTST0RMER	Aug 30th, 2007 05:51:18 AM
Then we got a REAL party.
Narration by Karmakin	Aug 30th, 2007 06:01:01 AM
I always assumed that using Nimoy in this would be done through a narration, that it would be Spock writing his memoirs, giving his thoughts and feelings about his early experiences. I thought that would make a hell of a movie. This is good too, I guess. The idea of a reboot has merit, especially if it becomes a sort of alternative history, similar things happen, just differently.
Good God, that's brilliant! by Laserbrain	Aug 30th, 2007 06:05:38 AM
Abrams devised a way to fuck up Trek every which way he pleases WITHOUT invalidating existing canon? He may not have a clue but at least he has a soul.
kwisatzhaderach by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks	Aug 30th, 2007 06:09:41 AM
I'm with you. With no Shatner their is no Star Trek. Nimoy is cool but Shatner is the Han Solo heart of Trek. No one else can play him now. Wait 100 years and maybe you won't piss people off with this shit.
This talkback is really just a ... by Runs with a Gut	Aug 30th, 2007 06:10:00 AM
... focus group: Abrams and co. obviously suspect that they're boldly going where they probably shouldn't go. Why else would they divulge information that sensitive to an AICN contributor like Drew?
meh. by OBSD	Aug 30th, 2007 06:10:20 AM
Sounds vaguely interesting, but I'd rather have somebody enter the universe with an entirely different slant, ala Warren Ellis with his badass Switchblade Honey. This idea sound only slightly better than Star Trek 90210.
Here's the scenario... by Nordling	Aug 30th, 2007 06:11:47 AM
A lonely Trekker sits at home, his stubbly face littered with Oreo cake (what an awesome new product)... "I could bitch about this new direction on the Internet... or I can face the scary world of... gulp... GIRLS... INTERNET HERE I COME! THIS IS A TRAVESTY!"
And can we get a date on that Trekker Mass Seppuku? by Laserbrain	Aug 30th, 2007 06:13:56 AM
I want to mark it in my calendar.
Aha! Caught you! by OBSD	Aug 30th, 2007 06:14:33 AM
only "Trekkers" call themselves "Trekkers". The rest of us call them Trekkies like the nerds they are.
Nordling by kwisatzhaderach	Aug 30th, 2007 06:15:07 AM
The irony is you just posted on here too ;)
I've said it before & yadda yadda yadda... by Thick McRunFast	Aug 30th, 2007 06:22:55 AM
...Abrams is going to be the final nail in the TREK franchise; you watch. Oh, and ALIAS and LOST are shit.
Mori, I'm even more intrigued now than before. by Yeti	Aug 30th, 2007 06:23:00 AM
It also never ceases to amaze me that the geeks and nerds that are drawn to Trek are so completley narrow minded.
Shermdawg, I agree Ackles would make a great Kirk by Yeti	Aug 30th, 2007 06:24:59 AM
but since he's filming Supernatural and is one half of the shows two stars, it's unlikely.
Sorry, Lightstormer... by The Tenth Doctor	Aug 30th, 2007 06:27:14 AM
If J.J. thinks that Matt Damon is too old then Nathan Fillion doesn't stand a chance in the seventh circle of Hell. Anyway, you can count me among those who want to head into a post-Next Gen era instead of going back. What you're basically doing with a time travel or reboot story is telling the audience that the last 40 years was like the one season of Dallas Pam dreamed while Bobby was in the shower. It just didn't happen, we're ignoring it, and if there was anything you liked that we're not carrying over, well fuck you. The reason the Ultimate books are as well received as they are is that it exists alongside continuing series in the Marvel Universe we know and love. Customers had a choice. Had Marvel canceled the "616" books and left us with only the Ultimate Universe for our Marvel character fix, it never would have flown. That is essentially what Paramount is doing here. It's Ultimate Trek or back issues you've already read 100 times.
Aha! Caught YOU! by Laserbrain	Aug 30th, 2007 06:35:04 AM
Where did you learn the distinction between "Trekker" and "Trekkie"? Hmmm? ;)
And I never said I wasn't a Trekker... by Laserbrain	Aug 30th, 2007 06:37:44 AM
The Trekkers that would commit seppuku over this, I'm happy to see the end of.
This week's JJ ASS KISSING... by Frye777	Aug 30th, 2007 06:42:20 AM
completed! thank you guys, see you next time when we suck JJ's dick big time! PS: MI:III was piece of shit!
FIRST!!! by Super Moo	Aug 30th, 2007 06:45:35 AM
Kinda funny seeing a first way down here ain't it? But seriously... I just wish Trek could move away from all of the over used time travel/temporal dynamics crap. Yeah, I'll still go and see it... but come on JJ!
Ultimate Star Trek? by Zardoz	Aug 30th, 2007 06:46:46 AM
It might be interesting...
Nathan Fillion as Kirk? by DocPazuzu	Aug 30th, 2007 06:49:55 AM
Worst fucking idea ever. I love Firefly and Fillion's Mal Reynolds, but why taint that by having him play another space captain? What's the reasoning here? "Oh, this guy can SO play a space captain!" Never mind that Kirk and Reynolds are completely different types of characters, or that it would just be like watching Mal doing a Shatner impression in a Starfleet uniform. "Oh, you know what would have saved Stardust? Johnny Depp as the pirate! He can soooo play a pirate!"
Not me!!! by datachasm	Aug 30th, 2007 06:53:51 AM
take it back to TOS, but at least respect the design and not poop all over it like Enterprise did. TOS is what Trek is all about. my only gripe is recasting the crew instead of showing us Pike, or another ship ala Starship Exeter.
not another by godhelpus	Aug 30th, 2007 06:54:30 AM
time travel trek movie so unoriginal, this will never succeed, you can't recreate a chemistry that was perfect, Mission Impossible sucked too, why not a tribble movie instead
oh.. and casting itself bugs me... by datachasm	Aug 30th, 2007 06:56:36 AM
the guy they picked for Spock... meh.
Color me... by RenoNevada2000	Aug 30th, 2007 06:57:08 AM
intrigued. I haven't cared a whit about TREK for almost fifeteen years, so I don't see this as a great sacrilage. The oriinal episodes will still be out there kids and the book publishers will still over-saturate the Barnes and Noble shelves in a grab for your last nickle. Let some one else take the tinkertoys and build something you haven't been able to imagine.
Kirk has to be.. by TimMighty	Aug 30th, 2007 06:58:04 AM
..a unknown actor. A young guy that has to go through a "becoming Kirk" Training by his royal Shatness himself. Just sayin..
oh..and Bai Ling should play by TimMighty	Aug 30th, 2007 07:00:14 AM
..Sulus Mother. Since that meaningless Lost Episode..we all know Abrahams loves himself some LingLing.
Hell it sounds better then the other shit Trek movies by Datascream	Aug 30th, 2007 07:04:21 AM
I've never been a huge fan of this franchise, and I'm still laughing at the "Trekkies" that think Abrams will fuck this franchise up. However in all honesty, what more could go wrong? It's not like anything you guys would have done or hoped for has been working for the past 10-15 years. At least Abrams has been trying to do something new with the series instead of just making another lame Next Generations flick.
time travel? by CuervoJones	Aug 30th, 2007 07:06:10 AM
No whales, i hope.
Mass Appeal by dandosama	Aug 30th, 2007 07:10:26 AM
If this movie is going to succeed, it needs to have mass appeal. The fanbase -- and yes, "narrowminded" does not even begin to describe the average Trekker/Trekkie -- won't be happy with a reboot, no matter what plot gyrations are used to justify it (though I personally like the idea). Joe Moviegoer won't know or care that canon has been violated. So I say "why bother". Just reboot and be done with it. It worked for Batman and it could work for Trek. As for MI:3, I thought it was easily the best of the three, not that that is saying much.
This would explain... by tazy	Aug 30th, 2007 07:15:47 AM
why they haven't cast Kirk yet. He's probably only in it for a scene or 2.
All right, Pazuzu... by LlGHTST0RMER	Aug 30th, 2007 07:17:24 AM
I admit now that, yeah, it's too typecast. It is too easy to just transplant him from Serenity to the Enterprise. Regardless, if he walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, he'd probably make a hell of a duck, you know? :P
Oh, and by the way: by LlGHTST0RMER	Aug 30th, 2007 07:19:41 AM
Fillion as Kirk is cheap typecasting. CopRock was the "worst fucking idea ever!"
Recasting the troika by ron2112	Aug 30th, 2007 07:25:04 AM
I didn't think it could work either, casting anyone but Shatner as Kirk, etc. But I've been checking out ST:New Voyages recently, and if nothing else it's convinced me it can be done. Sure, it took a bit of getting used to, but after watching three episodes of that, I watched a TOS episode and it actually took me a few moments to get used to Shatner again. And with all respect for what they've accomplished, ST:NV really isn't particularly well-written or -acted... in the hands of seasoned pros, I don't think the adjustment is going to be as awkward as a lot of people expect. All that said, I agree with the sentiment that if they're going to reboot the franchise, they should just do it. Don't muck about with explaining it within the context of the current continuity, you could only make a mess of things. The Trekkies will have an easier time accepting that this is just a different continuity, plain and simple, rather than a "the last four Trek series never happened" kind of thing. That's just going to drive people nuts, and will ultimately devalue the entire franchise.
"CopRock was the "worst fucking idea ever!"" by DocPazuzu	Aug 30th, 2007 07:28:28 AM
I stand corrected.
SHIA LEBOUF as Captain Kirk by The Artist FKA Vesuvio	Aug 30th, 2007 07:36:32 AM
C'mon guys, deep in your hearts you all know its inevitable. I don't give a fuck about Star Trek. The only thing I ever watched was the movie with captain Crane and captain Xavier together back when I was a kid, and man that sucked. I was a XFiles geek though, and I couldn't (CUARON FOR THE HOBBIT '11) give less of a fuck for that new movie as well. Ergo, fuck everything.
unless ryan gosling is kirk, it should be an unknown by Holodigm	Aug 30th, 2007 07:38:43 AM
that's about it, really
Romulans? YAWN. by Abin Sur	Aug 30th, 2007 07:43:56 AM
There's a reason we hardly ever saw Romulans in the ST movies - BOOORING. The one movie starring Romulans as the bad guys (Nemesis) was craptacular. They were OK on Next Gen/DS9, but ultimately not that inspiring as villains.
Shermie by gotilk	Aug 30th, 2007 07:46:59 AM
Not a bad idea. He has the overacting chops, and at times shines. Kinda like Shatner. But part of me is rooting for an unknown canadian thespian. (and I do mean thespian in the way you'd define it if SNL were your only cultural frame of reference) line break for fun
End of the movie by bgpanda	Aug 30th, 2007 07:47:25 AM
The movie opens with old Spock visiting the Memorial to Kirk on Veridian III (or San Fransisco whatever)Framing the death of Kirk from Star Trek: Generations. Sometime during the movie Old Spock does some kind of Vulcan memory implant on Young Kirk. At the end of the movie, after Spock has gone back and set things as right as possible in the new timeline he is back in San Fransisco and who walks in at the last few moments? Old Kirk. See Old Spock implanted some thought into the mind of Young Kirk... something that changes history such as "Don't go on the rickety bridge, let Picard do it." or "When that bald Captain of the Enterprise shows up while your in the Nexus, instead of going back in time to the last possible moment to stop Soran, go back to when Soran is otherwise occupied, blow up his little rocket and while your there save the Enterprise-D." Kirk Lives!
Cool, this means they don't touch Enterprise canon! by chrth	Aug 30th, 2007 07:49:17 AM
Although now I have to wonder if Spock is FutureGuy. Also, Abin Sur: The Remans were the bad guys in Nemesis, not the Romulans.
Oreo... by Kid Z	Aug 30th, 2007 07:49:58 AM
...CAKE?!!? No way! They make such a thing now? Good ol' Corporate America. Fulfilling the wildest dreams of basement-dwelling nerds the world over!
While I trust Abrams to do good with this... by Wldmk	Aug 30th, 2007 07:51:30 AM
...and while i that the Trio of Trek will probably be recast well, i cringed while reading the mention of the time alterations suggested. I seriously hope they don't go down that road, as its been mucked up in every way imaginable by this point, In ST in particular and pretty much in all televisionized scifi in general. As much as i love trek and grew up on the original series, if they want a reboot, then I say they should just call it a reboot and be done with it...
Sherm...how 'bout the ROCK? by Abin Sur	Aug 30th, 2007 07:52:02 AM
Why does it have to be a white guy? Why can't a Black/Samoan fellow have a stab at playing Kirk? Why does he have to be stuck playing a supporting character or villain?
Ugh, Chrth... by Abin Sur	Aug 30th, 2007 07:53:21 AM
That movie was SO bad I couldn't even remember that. Yeah, they Reemed me, alright...
I think we can all agree on one thing: More Shran! by chrth	Aug 30th, 2007 07:55:13 AM
Well, same actor, different character. The Andorians in Enterprise were probably the best part of the show before Manny Coto took over. And the Mirror Universe Shran in Season 5 would've been awesome. Damn you Paramount!
82nd???? by FirstPostersSuck	Aug 30th, 2007 07:59:20 AM
EAT IT 83rd! OH YEAH!
Casting Kirk by Super Moo	Aug 30th, 2007 08:00:24 AM
If this is going to be a complete re-imagining, then why not go all out? Remember how much we all enjoyed the remake of Wild Wild West? I say cast Will Smith as new Captain Kirk!
Exclusive! by Tourist	Aug 30th, 2007 08:01:22 AM
I like Abrams!. That was the gist of the article right? Or was it that potentially something different from cannon may or may not be possibly taking place perhaps sooner or later in the production? Was there actually any news in there at all? AICN embraces newspeak.
TimMighty, ya got me twice dude... by Damned if I can login	Aug 30th, 2007 08:02:43 AM
"His Royal Shatness" HAHAHAHAHA!!! A damned good one. And LingLing...yeah....LingLing. I'd pay a buck to see that...as long as they figure out a way to show her nipples. She's got great nipples, y'know...
wow by MC-909	Aug 30th, 2007 08:04:50 AM
Why even bother if they're gonna do the whole "alternate timeline" thing? That's a bigger copout than a "it was all just a dream" ending. Not that I really give a shit about Star Trek in the first place, but this is wack.
Vulcan blown up? That sucks if you have Pon Farr... by SpyGuy	Aug 30th, 2007 08:07:04 AM
While I can appreciate J.J. Abrams taking risks with Trek continuity, I can't see this "Romulan Terminators go back in time to kill young John Connor...er, James T. Kirk" idea working too well. ULTIMATE STAR TREK (Might as well call it that) works for comic book fans that are used to rebooted/alternate continuities, but casual Trek fans (i.e. everyone else that isn't a harcore Trekkie) are going to be disappointed and pissed if what they've watched on TV and the original six films is radically different. It will be hard enough to get audiences to accept younger actors in these established roles, let alone tweaking things so that "everything you know is wrong" on top of it.
But otherwise, in relation to the film... by Damned if I can login	Aug 30th, 2007 08:08:54 AM
yawn I don't see how they can possibly do anything interesting with time travel, since every other episode Brannon Booger had hit mits into had some kinda stoopid "Temporal Bullshit Whatever". Although the New Voyages episode about the Doomsday Wars was interesting (even if it did seem a bit rushed in a single hour). OK...I correct myself. Methinks I see yet another "I'll wait'll it hits DVD" moment on the horizon...
Temporal Anomaly Gotta Eat... by Super Moo	Aug 30th, 2007 08:15:27 AM
... Romulans
This Perhaps to Reestablish the Importance of Kirk by DarfurOnTheRocks	Aug 30th, 2007 08:15:57 AM
After Kirk went out the way he did, the keepers of Trek need to do something to bring him back to prominence.
Something similar was posited for a Dr. Who reboot by V'Shael	Aug 30th, 2007 08:16:05 AM
way back, before the movie came out. The McCoy doctor would have used the Key to Time to reboot the universe. Details found in the Nth Doctor.
I am glad they did not reboot Dr. Who by DarfurOnTheRocks	Aug 30th, 2007 08:19:41 AM
And I am feeling sort of the same way with Classic Trek. The original does not need to be rebooted... The Next Generation timeline was bloody stale, not Kirk and company kicking ass.
I don't get the appeal by fish tacos	Aug 30th, 2007 08:21:50 AM
of revisiting the OS Enterprise crew. It's lazy, trite and a real missed opportunity to give us something new.
Ryan Reynolds as KIRK by bigdrawz	Aug 30th, 2007 08:22:31 AM
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Shatner! by Bono Luthor	Aug 30th, 2007 08:23:36 AM
If JJ is using us as a focus group then listen up: If you can work Shatner in there (and if you're going down the root that Mori is indicating then there should be no reason why his 'death' and the whole Nexus thing should stop you - HELL just IGNORE it!)then you will have so much good will from fans you can get away with almost anything. To pass up the opportunity to see Shatner and Nimoy on screen again in a big budget Trek movie as KIRK and SPOCK would be unforgivable JJ. If you want an event, if you want everyone to be talking about Trek again...SHATNER AS KIRK. Spock is great but he is more of a fans character. I know he's well known and I love him to bits myself, but he's not quite Kirk. Just as Kirk always works better with Spock, Spock is not the same without Kirk. Generations and Unification both pretty much sucked beyond the whole geek prick tease of seeing the characters again. Announce that you've got Shat on board and that we'll be seeing Spock AND Kirk (seems so wrong that way around) on screen together and THEN watch the internet explode!!!!!!!!!
I just want to know one thing with this remake... by Grinning White Skull	Aug 30th, 2007 08:33:31 AM
...is Will Smith going to play Kirk? It worked so well for THE WILD WILD WEST in updating that tattered old 60s TV concept. ;-)
NO MORE FUCKING TIME TRAVEL!!! by uss cygnus	Aug 30th, 2007 08:35:37 AM
NO MORE! FOR THE LOVE OF CHRIST! ENOUGH ALREADY!
Been there said that by Super Moo	Aug 30th, 2007 08:38:18 AM
see above Grinning White Skull
In LOLcat speak: I Iz Confused by reflecto	Aug 30th, 2007 08:50:17 AM
So what, Spock goes back to save Young Kirk? What? And that creates a new timeline? It COULD work but time travel just makes me think of all those awful fucking stories on shows like Voyager and Enterprise that I never bothered to watch.
Oreo Cakesters! by Kid Z	Aug 30th, 2007 08:53:31 AM
Damn man... that's nasty! What next... Oreo Liquid Intravenous?
gulp by Ronimus Prime	Aug 30th, 2007 08:55:11 AM
As much as I love the Shat (I've signed petitions pushing for his return of Kirk novels to be made into movies) I have to say, this sounds neat. I'm just hoping that when free swim in the time stream (rim shot) is over, Spock will have restored the timeline.
Best thing for Trek would be to... by Fergus74	Aug 30th, 2007 08:55:30 AM
Kill off Kirk!!! Don't you think it would be interesting if these Romulans succeeded (with no reset button)? All those times when Kirk saved the day not happening and everything getting f**ked up! I'd call that one hell of a reboot, and what better way to re-establish the importance of Kirk, with the removal of Kirk! Just a thought......
And BTW I think almost everything Abrams does is shit by reflecto	Aug 30th, 2007 08:56:40 AM
I fucking despise Lost - what a bullshit, supercillious, slapped together waste of time - and Alias was a joke after the first scene where the goddamn CIA agent sat around listening to Sarah McLachlan and crying. His MI:3 was not horrible, not like MI:2 but had the unforgivable sin of being all about "relationships" - I cannot believe a fucking MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE MOVIE ended on Ethan Hunt GOING HOME FROM WORK WITH HIS GIRLFRIEND WHILE HIS BUDDIES WAVED GOODBYE! Is it fucking M:I or Felicity? And Abrams' Superman - don't get me started. That said, I think he CAN be a good idea man (though he rarely can carry them out over time, see Lost and Alias) and could help Trek. In careful doses. I'll try anything after Rick Berman.
This guy is an idiot! by Sour_Toejam	Aug 30th, 2007 08:59:34 AM
OMG...did you trolls actually read Moriarty's bullshit? Of course not, because once you hit paragraph three, you realize this windbag says nothing, but goes on and on and on like the energizer bunny. Was anything said in this entire article that was significant? Fuck no. It's some fat slag speculating on something he knows nothing about. Oh, and I like jelly beans.
I thought so too at first toejam by reflecto	Aug 30th, 2007 09:02:01 AM
but eventually he comes to his vague, roundabout, lazy point with some very general plot information. It is hidden in the usual bullshit rambling though.
Sounds shit. by Henry Jones Sr	Aug 30th, 2007 09:07:11 AM
I was interested in this movie at fist, but the more I hear about how they're tying in the existing films and shows, the less I care. They should just start over and imagine that Star Trek is a novel which can be remade by different filmmakers and actors. They SHOULD NOT be casting someone to play William Shatner and Leonard Nimoy. Instead, they should be casting someone to play Captain Kirk and Mr Spock. If it's too closely tied with the old stuff, we're all going to end up disliking it for all the things Abrams does wrong. If, on the other hand, it's all new, we're more likely to just go with it.
Why Have It Simple When You Can Have It Complicated by MortGuffman	Aug 30th, 2007 09:08:37 AM
Personally, I think the best way to go with this is a square one reboot. If Paramount wants to rejuvenate the franchise and expand its appeal beyond Trekkers then that's what you do. I really hope that your information is incorrect, Moriarity. Ask anyone on the street that hasn't even watched Trek and they'll know Kirk and Spock. They want to see them kicking ass, not involved in some convoluted time-travel storyline. Oh, and Mori, I also thought that Bewitched sucked ass. Worst movie I've ever seen. Dragged by my wife to see it.
I was wondering why the actor for Spock was so young by kevred	Aug 30th, 2007 09:09:40 AM
If the Heroes guy was playing opposite an academy-age Kirk, it wouldn't make much sense--Vulcans age so much slower that "young Spock" and "young Kirk" would not look the same age, and Spock wouldn't look so much younger just a few years earlier than the original series. Throwing everything a generation back makes more sense. Still don't think they've found someone with the right dignity to play Spock, though, but who knows--maybe this guy's got more depth than he shows on TV.
If it starts in the future, why not having Picard... by The Biomind	Aug 30th, 2007 09:10:58 AM
...or Admiral Janeway briefing Ambassador Spock about temporal anomalies or shit. Then Spock goes back in time to put things right. Of course, he would be the right choice for this mission, because he was there. But if the movie really starts in the period of Picard, Sisko or Janeway, I would love to see some of those beloved characters at least in a cameo. Or do they even exist, after Kirk's assasination? Does Starfleet even exist? I certainly don't want any "Wa are the last of our kind" shit!
why you can't go forward in star trek by PVIII	Aug 30th, 2007 09:16:14 AM
shields that last 40 minutes, technology that takes the fun out of everything, etc. I just watched the DS9 episode 'The Visitor' last night, and that's how it should be done. You need to care about the characters, not just have flashy CGI and time-travel stories (though 'the visitor' does have some time travel). Trek is meant for the small screen, and it should be about relationships, mixed with brilliant science fiction. The best episodes followed this route, and it's why TNG was so successful, and why Enterprise failed. I love JJ but I will consider this movie outside Trek cannon if what I hear is true. I can't imagine Roddenberry would be happy with this, but I'll watch it, and hope to love it.
the alternate universe doesn't bother me by Bloo	Aug 30th, 2007 09:23:06 AM
because they've already established a "multiverse" concept with Trek with the "Mirror" universe and with that one ep with Riker caught in some kind of anamoly and there's all these different variations of Riker coming togather. But it has never been established that each of these "multi-verses" were created by mucking with the timeline. So if you're going with an alternate universe concept go full fledged with it not with the time travel concept.
Get Michael C. Hall (DEXTER) as Kirk by Spacesheik	Aug 30th, 2007 09:25:10 AM
He's older than Zachary Quinto but he has that laconic, steely yet charming demeanour, with a hint of danger. He would make an interesting choice for the younger Kirk.
Incorporating William Shatner by Spacesheik	Aug 30th, 2007 09:30:41 AM
If JJ Abrams cannot insert the older Kirk into the proceedings, he can still end the movie with a bang having William Shatner appear with Nimoy in a epilogue of sorts and setting up the next film to be an older Kirk film, something to look forward to. I agree with the poster above that the movie should ignore Kirk's death in GENERATIONS - that was a Rick Berman fiasco, best to forget it - since we have an alternate timeline here, it wont be a problem.
Matt Damon will be the new Captain Kirk by feebster69	Aug 30th, 2007 09:31:16 AM
Mark my words. xxx.
Oh, and David Bowie's in Doctor Who next season by feebster69	Aug 30th, 2007 09:32:52 AM
Mark my words 2. xx.
Bruce Campbell for Kirk by HornOrSilk	Aug 30th, 2007 09:32:56 AM
He's the only one who can do the Shatner right. Even then I think it is a stupid idea to do this movie this way -- just create a new cast of characters in the ST universe to create new ideas. But since this is the route things are going -- Bruce for Kirk, Jerry Seinfeld for Spock, Hugh Laurie for Bones, Jim Carey for Scotty, and unknowns for the rest. I mean its going to be camp, let's make it as camped out as possible!
Leonard Nimoy by Spacesheik	Aug 30th, 2007 09:33:44 AM
I have complete confidence in JJ Abrams, LOST is a classic series and MI3 was a very solid actioner. The fact that Leonard Nimoy is appearing in this, in a substantial role (hopefully) is excellent news. I think the movie is gonna be great, judging by the talent involved and Nimoy's rave of the script (Nimoy, a perfectionist, doesn't usually go out on a limb and praise something unless its special work).
Going back in time to kill Kirk?...Been done already. by Head In A Box	Aug 30th, 2007 09:35:29 AM
Nice try guys, but that idea's been done. DS9's "Trials and Tribble-ations" had the Klingon spy Arne Darvin going back in time to kill Kirk by placing a bomb in a Tribble. And I'm certian the idea's been done to death in countless novels and comic books as well In the Trek universe, it's near impossible not to repeat yourself anymore. Oh and by the way, who will they get to play a "young" Doctor Mark Piper? Because, you know, In "Where No Man Has Gone Before" he was the doctor on Kirk's Enterprise before McCoy.
SPOCK = FUTURE GUY? TOS = A Dream? Where's Riker/Troi by captain_kirk	Aug 30th, 2007 09:38:26 AM
The problem is that by making it an alternative universe..besides the fact that it copies the plot of Star Trek: That Crappy Series with Quantum Leap-dude, how will we, the audience, be truly invested in the outcome, knowing that things ultimately have turned out ok in the "real" timeline? Messing with the timeline line a T4 or T5 movie could might be neat, but I'm still quite weary. I'd be happier if the Shatz came back as James R. Kirk, the granddaddy of James T. Kirk, and a fisherman in the Iowa merchant Marine. He can fish for freshwater shrimp aboard his shrimping boat, known as the Jenny, with his trusty sidekick "Bubba" Sisko, The great great great great granddaddy of Benjamin Sisko. Oh, and the Scarecrow was there, and the tin man, oh, and you too Auntie Em...
I'd love to see Hugh Laurie an Richard E. Grant in this by Spacesheik	Aug 30th, 2007 09:38:34 AM
In what capacity I don't know, maybe as villains. Or maybe Laurie as sarcastic Starfleet instructor/officer and Richard E. Grant as maybe a shifty Romulan.
boldy go and rip off Doctor Who again by jamawalk	Aug 30th, 2007 09:40:07 AM
well this makes sense. now that doctor who has re-established itself as the only pop scifi worth a damn, paramount has to get all "me too" with their old jingoistic military fantasy. little american boys with big guns comparing the size of their warp coils. queer.
Futurama: Roswell that Ends Well by whitenoise27	Aug 30th, 2007 09:44:56 AM
I am always reminded of this episode when Frye becomes his own grandather in situations like this. And that makes me happy.
You don't need Shatner by JumpinJehosaphat	Aug 30th, 2007 09:47:15 AM
You don't need Nimoy, either. A good, character-driven science fiction piece set in a somewhat familiar framework is all you need. Olivier wasn't the only Hamlet nor was he the best, but the play seems to hold up just fine. Connery cemented the Bond roll, but I've liked non-Sean 007 films, as well. Forget about cast! Worry about overly simplistic and soulless storytelling done only to make another buck off the old gravy train.
Time Travel by KnarftheIndecent	Aug 30th, 2007 09:49:48 AM
As one who feels he lives out of his own time I must say that time travel stories blow like the winds of hell.
Oh Come On !!!! by 2LeggedFreak	Aug 30th, 2007 09:53:24 AM
Instead of the usual "time travel" cop out why not go for something really daring. I'd suggest a cross-over between Trek (all of them), Kung Fu and either Mrder She Wrote or Hart to Hart. It would be a classic. Trust Me !!! Seriously, although as a long term Trek Fan I'll probbaly see this I don't really think they have left enough time between the old tired Trek and any re-boot. Give it 20 years and then go back to it. Until then RIP Trek.
Complete Blowing of Smoke by bigbill	Aug 30th, 2007 09:54:57 AM
Not one word here that says ANYTHING substantive. OK, a spoiler that says there will be a time travel plot in a Star Trek movie/episode? Yup, thats about as much a spoiler as saying there will be Klingons in it.
MI3 SUCKED! LOST began good but now sucks! by FleshMachine	Aug 30th, 2007 09:59:32 AM
to bet aginat him is crazy?? just because he's popular doesn't mean he's any good. MI3 was idiotic garbage...lost began very good...then very quikly felt like it was being made up as it went along. im interested in this ST thingy but bny no means is the doods track record very reassuring. great CLOVERFIELD trailer though. but of course it will never live up to the initial intrigue.
The whole point of a Star Tek Movie..... by C.K. Lamoo	Aug 30th, 2007 10:01:43 AM
Is to get away from the After School Special mentality of mainsteam Television where every story has to have a moral and characters have to work out their problems with admiration and respect. In the end, isn't that what turned Trek into a snooze fest? Given his TV background, maybe Abrams is the wrong guy to handle this project. On the other hand, if he can make it like the last last episode of Lost, it might actually be worth watching.
We Need a Shatner Cameo.... by DarfurOnTheRocks	Aug 30th, 2007 10:04:39 AM
The last time he donned the Star Fleet uniform was when he went out like a punk.... Even if they get him for only 30 seconds it may go a long way to erasing the crap that was Generations...
I'm still reading but I had to take a break to laugh... by Cotton McKnight	Aug 30th, 2007 10:06:52 AM
You DO realize that you spent the first paragraphs talking about how Abrams "fucks" with things and aims high by creating big ideas, and the VERY NEXT THING YOU SAY is how this movie will be like "Back to the Future 2". Aside from the fact that time travel has been overplayed to death in Star Trek (this is basically the plot of First Contact!!!!), Back to the Future 2 was ridiculous. I think this is going to be one of those "Han meets Chewie and a young Lando on the Millenium Falcon in Episode 1" articles that everyone laughs at next year. Come on.
Star Trek was About Kirk, Spock, and Bones... by DarfurOnTheRocks	Aug 30th, 2007 10:08:05 AM
At least to me it was... 3 friends who spend their vacations together, 2 of which did not know that they were friends until one of them died... That is Trek for me. It is something that the Next Generation tried so desperately to pull off with Picard and Data and whoever, but could never replicate. Why? Because they were not together for decades... Age makes a character better..... Just look at the Doctor.
So this is going to be... by chrisd	Aug 30th, 2007 10:10:49 AM
time travel and alternate universe, not Star Trek, crap. Great. They should throw in some Warp 10 salamanders, with babies. Star Trek is dead; this movie is the reanimated corpse.
This movie needs more Wesley Crusher by ArcadianDS	Aug 30th, 2007 10:10:59 AM
I'd be dissapointed if The Traveler and his trust side-kick Wonder Boy Crusher didn't somehow have something to do with this plot. I know that Wil Wheaton took some heavy heat during the mid-seasons of TNG, but two things to remember: he was a child learning to act, and he was having to learn some pretty stupid scenes. Watch, if you can, one of the early TNG Wesley eps, then one of the later eps - he clearly matured as an actor throughout the series, unlike some of his more experienced cast members COUGH Troi COUGH. This works on another level, too - since we didn't really get a solid explanation for who the Traveler really was, and what his role in the universe might be. It certainly appeared that his Travels weren't limited by time or distance.
and besides, I keep hearing about a multi picture by Cotton McKnight	Aug 30th, 2007 10:12:48 AM
deal.. but what about the fact that we know how these characters turn out? There is a fundamental problem here. Say what you want about Lucas' handling of the prequels, but it was a fascinating idea because there was mystery surrounding how Anakin Skywalker became Darth Vader. It was a singular theme that guided those movies. What's the singular theme here? Where is the intrigue? Has anyone ever really cared how Spock became the perfectly logical character seen in the original series? Yeah I GUESS you could have a "romulan war" that leads to the birth of the federation but again, we know how it all turns out. There is no threat here, unless you use a campy device like time travel. Might work for one movie, but a multi picture deal?
Since it is about the multi-verse by HornOrSilk	Aug 30th, 2007 10:13:18 AM
Have 10 Kirks, 10 Spocks, and 10 McCoys, each played by various people, sometimes an actor who plays Kirk(a) could be Spock (c) to really confuse things. And have them all be comic actors.
Q by Series7	Aug 30th, 2007 10:18:27 AM
This movie needs Q.
Star Trek is Bigger than JJ.... by DarfurOnTheRocks	Aug 30th, 2007 10:19:31 AM
Again, what is wrong with TOS? I am not sure really? JJ did not like the chemistry between the 3 main characters? Or the legend that is J.T. Kirk? Or the great enemies that he made? Or the loss of his son? Or coming to terms with him getting old? Or understanding that his best destiny is to captain the USS Enterprise? I wonder what is it that Abrams wants to do with Trek?
Only Trek films worth watching... by ccchhhrrriiisssm	Aug 30th, 2007 10:27:57 AM
Star Trek 2, 4, 6, First Contact. ... ... ... ... ... The only Trek films worth REMAKING: The Motion Picture. The story was fantastic. The production was, uh, B-O-R-I-N-G! When I watch it, it seems like a film from the 60s, not the post-Star Wars 1970s. I'm glad that it was before my time, though. Otherwise, I would NEVER have watched another Trek film!
Star Trek needs more time travel and multiverses like.. by ccchhhrrriiisssm	Aug 30th, 2007 10:32:35 AM
This movie needs more TIME TRAVEL and MULTIVERSES like Blue Oyster Cult needed MORE COWBELL. Sure, it is funny as a SNL skit -- but it would really tank as a film. The time travel plots are quite worn out. The multiverse idea is, borrowing from a certain vulcan, "fascinating." But the slightest error would leave Trekkies everywhere angry. It would be like changing and reworking the Bible for them!
wild wild west by captain_kirk	Aug 30th, 2007 10:35:14 AM
The problem with Will Smith as James West wasn't Will Smith as James West. It was Barry Sonnenfeld. The problem with Miguelito Loveless (ok, Arliss now) played by Kenneth Branagh wasn't Kenneth Branagh, but Barry Sonnenfeld. The ideas can be amazing..it's the execution that's the problem. I, of course, would be looking forward to Sybok, as a youngster, joining the federation with his younger brother Spock. We can have an entire subplot where Sybok is the 10 year old-ne'er do well who never graduates from the federation, constantly throwing drunken parties in the dorm with feather-laden women like Uhura. Ooh ooh ooh-Beyonce as Uhura. That would SO ROCK!
Alt Title: Set Phasers to Fun!!! by 1FearlessJay	Aug 30th, 2007 10:41:16 AM
Sorry, that title only works if the '70s-Spoken-Word-Shatt were directing. Anyway, so does anyone else here not feel like that's the most "Trek-like" premise we've gotten from a Star Trek in years? I want it to be good. As a life-long Trek fan, I can't help it. But, I have the same fears everyone else has, and if this is going to be a train wreck - it's going to be a SPECTACULAR one at the least!
Why is everyone so crazy about this Abrams guy? by BGDAWES	Aug 30th, 2007 10:46:38 AM
I mean, MI 3 was okay...I guess. But really, how come he get's his knob polished so often after 'really' only having TV as his true claim to fame so far. Maybe it's because I've never watched an episode of Lost or Alias but I'm not really that impressed with this guy.
An example of the talent of JJ Abrams by Stalin vs Predator	Aug 30th, 2007 10:48:00 AM
http://www.dailyscript.com/scr ipts/Superman(JJAbrams).pdf Still the only thing with which I can associate his name when I hear it. Well, that and - for a few weeks - that weird new monster movie.
re: Sybok and Beyonce by captain_kirk	Aug 30th, 2007 10:50:22 AM
Of course, I meant "star fleet" when referring to "federation". So don't get on me about that. I stand behind the following casting decisions: Beyonce as Uhura. Hiro Nakamura as Sulu, Anna Kournikova as Chekov, Zachary Quinto as Spock, Elisha Cuthbert as Yeoman Rand, Keifer Sutherland as Kirk, Lucy Lawless as Nurse Chapel, Heath Ledger as Dr. McCoy (I can't quit you, Spock!), and then, finally, John Cleese as Scotty.
how shat could be in it by prime lips	Aug 30th, 2007 11:00:17 AM
old spock succeeds. sees jim. smiles. shatner's in the movie!!!!! they go for a pint. the adventures of jj alt universe continues nonetheless. please shat
above by prime lips	Aug 30th, 2007 11:00:57 AM
right at the end, obviously
Just do a sequel to "Galaxy Quest". by C.K. Lamoo	Aug 30th, 2007 11:01:50 AM
It'll come out the same.
Russell Crowe as Kirk by DevilCat	Aug 30th, 2007 11:04:58 AM
Watch "Master and Commander". Crowe is basically playing an 18th century James T. Kirk.
Hey 2LeggedFreak! They did a Kung Fu/Trek crossover! by Damned if I can login	Aug 30th, 2007 11:06:02 AM
It was the ep where the Shat (who played a ship's captain..go fig) and the chick that played the Dolman of Elaas came to bring Caine a ring from one of his old masters, and they claimed the emperor was offering a pardon (with the only penalty for murdering the nephew being the loss of Caine's little finger). And for once, Kirk got his ass handed to him in a big way. But what the fuck...it wasn't his show. Now..don't that beat the shit outta any proposed new Trek "plotline"?
BGDAWES... by ccchhhrrriiisssm	Aug 30th, 2007 11:27:00 AM
JJ Abrams is "the man of the hour" because of productions like LOST (my favorite show ever -- with Season 1 being the best season of drama on television), MI:3 (which most critics agree is the best of the series) and ALIAS. ... ... ... ... [b] If you want to know what all of the fuss is about -- just rent the first season of LOST.[/b]
This is exactly what Star Trek needs- by Playkins	Aug 30th, 2007 11:28:28 AM
The original universe is so convoluted and messy anyways- restarting it is the best thing they could do next to jumping so far into the future that it would be unrecognizable.
I am crazy, so I am betting against him. by Diagnostic	Aug 30th, 2007 11:28:57 AM
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Didn't he write Armageddon? by Big Bad Clone	Aug 30th, 2007 11:42:24 AM
I caught a rerun of Enterprise the other day on Sci-Fi and was bored to fucking tears. Enterprise sure pussyfooted around and still fucked up things. Bold, good or bad, is the way to go.
Star Trek is Dead Long Live Star Trek by commiepinko	Aug 30th, 2007 11:46:54 AM
The Star Trek outlook on life was relevant during the cold war era when everyone thought nuclear war was a very real possibility. It also made sense when secular humanism was something of a revelation. We now live in a different world. One where the bad guys have more complicated motivations, and where our own government doesn't always do the right thing (understatement). The only time Star Trek adapted to that world was in DS9 (even if they lifted many elements from B5). I was a stone cold Trekkie (that's right I said Trekkie) growing up, but Farscape, Firefly, and BSG are all much more relevant now than Star Trek. I have mixed feeling about JJ (Lost could still go X-Files), but Star Trek needs to be re-invented to be relevant.
make a post 24th century film, please... by Rindain	Aug 30th, 2007 11:49:39 AM
Star Trek should be about moving forward, discovering the new possibilities as existence, or whatever it was that Q said...not retreading old characters. That said, this could be a really fun movie if they don't drown it in alternate timeline babble and updating the tech, silly forehead aliens, etc.
You know what would be nice? by mbeemer	Aug 30th, 2007 11:56:27 AM
If the Romulans succeeded in removing Kirk from the timeline, only to discover... that events play out very much like they did in the first timeline. Kirk had daring and pheonominal luck, but it's not like everyone else in Starfleet was a gutless idiot. The details change, but the major battles are won because OTHER people are brave and clever too.
"Don't go on the rickety bridge, let Picard do it." by Calimist	Aug 30th, 2007 12:04:54 PM
LOL
what the FUCK people!?! by Zeframillen	Aug 30th, 2007 12:05:18 PM
I'm a huge star trek fan, have been ever since TNG started. I just cant understand all the fucking negativity EVERY TIME a new piece of informmation comes out about this movie!! I think this sounds like a great idea, and even if i didnt, i'd give it a fucking chance. Every piece of casting, every little tid bit for some reason fucking sets every one on fire and it's pissing me the fuck off
Simon Pegg as Captain Kirk! Nick Frost as McCoy! by DoctorTom	Aug 30th, 2007 12:07:40 PM
Well, it would definitely send the signal that things were going to be different. One thing we know, though - we certainly don't need to heed feebster69's 'mark my words'. He's already been proven wrong on the David Bowie in the next season of Doctor Who as both the BBC and David Bowie refuted that rumor. It probably won't be Damon either.
i'm a giant TOS fan by yassoo	Aug 30th, 2007 12:13:11 PM
pure geek in every way. as much as i'd love to get excited about a new trek movie/franchise, seeing other actors portray the big three just doesnt do it for me. how is this star trek? b/c of the uniforms and the ships? i dont know about you guys, but none of this excites me in any way.
Finally someone is talking sense by konar	Aug 30th, 2007 12:18:03 PM
Commiepinko -- perfect summation of why it would be not so good to worry TOO much about what's come before. But obviously the creative team behind the new movie realize that it is about relationship, not plot (although we don't really want a French film, do we). Zef -- also well put...I have to take medication every time I read these boards! I'm looking forward to being surprised and blown away. It's been a long time since anything in the Trek universe has really done it for me. Captain_Kirk -- "I can't quit you, Spock!" -- classic!!!!
Re: Regarding Henry by SBconnection	Aug 30th, 2007 12:18:53 PM
Jesus, Mori, how can you hate that movie and like the Tenacious D piece of crap?
I don't care how good Abrams is ... by Itchy	Aug 30th, 2007 12:26:31 PM
and I think he's good, myself ... but if the plot involes anything having to do with time travel, I'm out. Star Trek's use of "traveling through time" is ridiculous, and so full of holes it makes me laugh every time they drag out another time travel plot. First Contact, ST:IV - it all blows. He should just do a movie and just reimagine it - not try to explain it all away.
Itchy... by Fawst	Aug 30th, 2007 12:34:10 PM
The difference here is that if they were to use time travel as a catalyst, it would be just that. There wouldn't be an overarching plot to reverse the effects of said event, not the way I interpreted this. It would fully embrace the absolute change and complete shift in all that was before. Sort of a Trek "What If...?" Interesting concept, that.
If I have to sit through three years of revised TOS by C.K. Lamoo	Aug 30th, 2007 12:49:35 PM
continuity, seven years of Next Generation, Deep Space Nine, the movies and what have you just to massage JJ's ego, then please just let it die now. Better yet, if you're just going to play with continuity hire Jeph Loeb to write the thing.
Will they have lightsabers in it? by kirttawesomio	Aug 30th, 2007 12:50:07 PM
Cause that would be hella tight.
That guy from Law & Order who's running for Pres by kirttawesomio	Aug 30th, 2007 12:53:42 PM
He should be Bones.
Zeph, it's not exactly negativity... by Damned if I can login	Aug 30th, 2007 12:54:04 PM
...it's more pragmatism. As the comic book writer's creedo states: "Those who visit the same creative well too often will find it has run dry." And no one can deny that the time travel scenario has been done to death in the Trek universe. And despite all the naysayers compaints, one can pretty much guarantee that 99% of 'em will either see the film in the theater or buy the DVD...and many will do both....and that certainly qualifies as "giving the project a chance". So I wouldn't get overly bent on the fanboy "shitfest" comments. Besides...half the fun (or more) of posting in these talkbacks is seeing who can come up with the funniest smart-assed comment...
As long as their's massive amount of HIP HOP by kirttawesomio	Aug 30th, 2007 12:56:48 PM
and hells tight chick like Beyounce' is Uhura I'm hella down.
Jamie Fox as ... by kirttawesomio	Aug 30th, 2007 12:57:35 PM
Captain Kirk. No doubt, no doubt.
Memories of Murder... by SBconnection	Aug 30th, 2007 01:01:27 PM
Great argument, considering Tenacious D was the worst piece of cow dung on the planet. I'll take Oscar bait any day over self indulgent distasters like the D.
"Ultimates"/"Elseworlds"?? by Samuel Vimes	Aug 30th, 2007 01:03:19 PM
IF true, then this Abrams TREK reboot will be what Marvel and DC did to ignore the already-set-in-stone continuity for their comics universes--- an Alternate Universe to allow new creators to ignore the canon established for the familiar characters... And should this 'TREK Begins' film be successful, then PARAMOUNT's gonna have yet another STAR TREK movie franchise in place along with the "Classic" and "TNG" films--- like the Ultimates line for MARVEL. And if it tanks, then it'll be relagated as a one-off experiment--- like the Elseworlds line for DC? A LOT is riding on Abrams on this. "Ultimate Classic TREK" does sounds strange--- but I'd like this reboot to continue as a series if only to see what the Ultimate "Mirror, Mirror" universe will look like!
The writers of Transformers and Armageddon by kwisatzhaderach	Aug 30th, 2007 01:06:29 PM
Somewhere Nicholas Meyer is laughing and shaking his head.
so the story is... by rollin2001uk	Aug 30th, 2007 01:26:09 PM
old spock vs young spock? is young spock possible part of hit squad? I know you said romulans not vulcans but dramatically would be cool, would spock kill himself effectively to save kirk and the enterprise???
Shat needs to Teach the New Kirk ONE THING! by DarfurOnTheRocks	Aug 30th, 2007 01:27:02 PM
He needs to teach the new kirk the double handed bash. Also that music they played when engaged in hand to hand combat MUST stay.
unnghhhhh by JeanLuc Dickhard	Aug 30th, 2007 01:27:40 PM
bad move ... dont fuck with amrican history ....
One MF'n letter: Q by Heckles	Aug 30th, 2007 01:34:09 PM
Bring in that silly bastard, have him snap his fingers and there is your new universe for JJ to play play. The most popular character from TNG and he's yet to be in a movie. Instead let's have F. Murray Abraham play some assneck who gets face lifts and wants to live on a planet that makes you live forever. Wow.
NO TIME TRAVEL by sirbroiler	Aug 30th, 2007 01:35:39 PM
Please no more damn time travel. And if JJ uses that retro design from the original series - it will be unbelievable as hell. Just reboot it. Who gives a shit about canon already? And keep Shatner where be belongs - buried under a bunch of rocks on that freakin' planet where Picard left him.
300 Klingons go back in time... by kinanswer	Aug 30th, 2007 01:47:42 PM
"Madness? THIS IS QO'NOS!" "TONIGHT...WE DINE..IN 10 FORWARD!" etc. etc.
Star Trek IS DEAD!! by Redfive!	Aug 30th, 2007 01:48:13 PM
Let be honest this franchise has been dead for along time.Id say around 10 years since that movie with the Borg came out in 1996. Then I heard there were 2 more and even before then I think the Whales was the last of the regular ones. To start over an alternate Universe is WHAT HAS TO BE DONE. Theres what 10 movies,Wrath of Kahn,The Whales and The Borg are the only good ones. Star Treks last hope is Abrams and he should be given free reign to start over,thats what he;s doing anyway.and just wait till it comes out to judge.Sounds like a bad idea but it might be good.
Time travel, reboots and alternate timelines? by Meglos	Aug 30th, 2007 02:08:13 PM
These are some fascinating NEW concepts to be used in the Trek Universe! Color me zzzzzzzzz....
Please no time travel by Jaka	Aug 30th, 2007 02:15:43 PM
Please. It's been done to death in the Trek world.
ENTERPRISE seasons 3 and 4 were fantastic by Spacesheik	Aug 30th, 2007 02:19:25 PM
fanboys need to rent some DVD boxed sets and stop hating Trek
Wow that sounds awful by krack	Aug 30th, 2007 02:24:25 PM
ULTIMATES is the worst thing to happen to Marvel Comics. This is what they are basing their Star Trek reboot on? I'll pass.
clint howard as james t.kirk by the_man_from_Rio	Aug 30th, 2007 02:29:03 PM
either him, carrot top or lorenzo lamas...fandom, it is time to choose!!!
Will Smith as Captain Kirk by glodene	Aug 30th, 2007 02:33:49 PM
It's only logical. B.O. drawing power. Charismatic, tall, viral, commands respect. All the alpha-male qualities it'll take to command The S.S. Enterprise. In the sequel they can cast Jennifer Lopez as the green bitch and let Big Willie give her the ol' savage in and out.
Moriarty's taste in films by Ray Gamma	Aug 30th, 2007 02:34:33 PM
Moriarty's taste in films is very dubious. He says above that he doesn't like "Regarding Henry", but that he loves "Alias" and "Lost". Moriarty, what the fuck?
its an interesting idea by Automation Overlord	Aug 30th, 2007 02:47:27 PM
i just don't like the fact that its dismissing everything about post enerprsie trek that we know, i mean fans already feud over which captain was the best, don't tell me i'm now going to have to listen to nerds debate with universe is better. I don't hte the idea of going back to TOs days, but just give us a TOS story that can fit into existing continuity, or play with the mirror universe for a few movies, fans love the mirror universe and its pretty much free range in terms of what to do with characters and stories, just look at the 2 parter enterprise episode, those were some of the best enterprise eps and all because it was fun to see that world and it didn't mess with continuity because we knew so little about the whole mirror universe thing
A fine line by matineer	Aug 30th, 2007 02:48:36 PM
If this alternate universe is used just to "canonize" changes, that's probably not going to work because it will create another whole universe of trek. Once you make that break, what's left isn't the same "real" universe we know. Better they make their own TOS era crew or create something new. As of now, they're just stirring up the pot without the main ingredients. And City on the edge of forever covered this territory completely already. If they're out to save Kirk, they should just do it somehow without the cosmic complications and flashback immediately to first day, first hour, second five year mission (we never saw) and go from there. Of course, it could still make money.
I don't see whats wrong with a TOTAL reboot by IndustryKiller!	Aug 30th, 2007 02:52:48 PM
I figure even hardcore Trek fans (which admittedly I am not, although I have a great affection for the series) have got to admit that as far as the current incarnation of these characters have gone, the actors are now older and it's time to start again. It's not like a comic book where you have timeless, ageless, pictures with 40 years of canon that MUST be adhered to. Characters in a classic television franchise are perfect for rebooting. All you need to do is keep the spirit of what Shatner, Spock, Kelly, and the others created all those years ago. Make sure not to change the characters actions or have them do anything wildly out of who we know them to be. It's also important to keep the tone of the series itself, not making it to dark and gritty for an "edgier" young audience but retaining the spirit of adventure and wonder, something the current genre landscape could use dearly. Other than that its all up for reinvention. Alien species, planets, whetever, make it fresh. I don't see why you would need to do some alternate timeline stuff and complicate the whole matter.
I've heard this before... by wato	Aug 30th, 2007 02:58:35 PM
not tryingto be a dick here (I like JJ and am looking toward to a shake up in the Trek-verse) but isn't this the same plot as the Star Trek Experiece @ the Vegas Hilton? Also...I really would have loved to have seen JMS' Trek treatment become a reality.
It's not like ULTIMATES, It's not like ELSEWORLDS... by RyaSKre	Aug 30th, 2007 03:06:55 PM
It's CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS, people... Get your comic references straight.
MORIARTY DOESN'T MIND THESE CHANGES, BUT RIPS ROB ZOMBI by TheDohDoh	Aug 30th, 2007 03:09:02 PM
Seriously, the hypocrisy is so blantant here with all due respect Moriarity. Here we have a director JJ Abrams who could possibly send a shock wave through the Star Trek series, creating a parallel world where things are dramatically different - OBVIOUSLY THE BIGGEST SAFETY NET EVER IN WRITING A STORY, AKIN TO MAKING IT BE 'ALL A DREAM'- and you accept it if that's the bogus direction Abrams goes in. But then you, Moriarity, rip Rob Zombie for reenvisioning the original Halloween, while keeping the story's basic tenets entact. At least Zombie has the BALLS TO TAKE A RISK AND PUT IT OUT THERE AS TOTALLY HIS, BLAME AND ALL --- not teleporting Michael Myers to a parallel dimension where he's a 6'8" psychpath who likes KISS, and telling us all that the original Halloween universe is still intact, see my Halloween universe exists before Carpenter's and Laurie is actually his mom. HAHAHA. C'MON. GIMME A BREAK.
Enterprise Season 1 by PVIII	Aug 30th, 2007 03:17:08 PM
was one of the worst steaming pile of turds I've ever seen. There was no emotional bond between that cast, no stories to bind them together, and shoddy acting to boot. Pretty CGI and flashy sets do not make up for the entire lack of chemistry. Neither do the rub-down scenes (they almost do).
Future Kirk played by the Fighter that pops ... by SkeletonParty	Aug 30th, 2007 03:26:36 PM
in the Combacks trailer, or Charlton Heston. Future Kirk travels back in time to warn Past Kirk of his death just so Future Kirk can kick Present Kirks ass. Right when Future Kirk goes to slug Present Kirk, Present Kirk gives him an uppercut to the chin and he pops.
Ray Gamma what's wrong with Alias! by glodene	Aug 30th, 2007 03:28:42 PM
Oh! Seasons 3 - 5 - Nevermind.
@shuttlepod_10 by TheDohDoh	Aug 30th, 2007 03:35:30 PM
Go see it. Then you'll see the risks. Jesus Christ. I don't think I've talked to one person who is ripping this that has actually seen the new Halloween. Die Hard 4 = I understand the judgement with the pussy PG13. But this is a whole nother animal. Go see it, then snark all you want shuttlepod.
So the new movie will be by slder78	Aug 30th, 2007 03:39:25 PM
Crisis on Infinite Treks? Hmmm. Ok, as long as it's better than Nemesis.
SHATNER GOTTA SHIT MASK by Kurzinski Valentine	Aug 30th, 2007 04:08:59 PM
I wonder if the Spockcock has a bowl-cut.
Not worth explaining in a two hour movie by ebolamonkey	Aug 30th, 2007 04:13:42 PM
They're gonna blow 15-20 minutes explaining how this fits into the existing Trekverse. Just throw it all out the window and give me 15-20 more minutes of great filmmaking. Clean slate, don't try and rationalize it. Two hours is way too short for a mythology this large, you've gotta jettison the dead weight. No one is going to believe the original series with it's dated sets and effects followed this new stuff anyway. I want to see all new tech, all new makeup, all new sets, all new ships.
Trek Needs New Ideas, So JJ's Going To Do Time Travel? by JaySmack	Aug 30th, 2007 04:15:19 PM
Every fucking episode of this show for the last thirteen years has been time-travel. It was the crutch Berman, the talentless hack, used when he began to massacre Trek back in '94. Everyone is familiar with the time-travel fetish Berman put Trek through, and that's the main thing that drove peolpe away. How can anyone feel that Trek's any good if every episode says loud and clear, "This franchises' best days are behind it. We won't even try to make anything original!" If Abrahams wants to reboot Trek, then do what Manny Coto did the last season of Enterprise --return to good storytelling, Trek that people will actually give a fuck about! But trying to reinvent Trek won't help, no matter how radical the changes, because the problem isn't Trek, it's what it degenerate into under Berman's reign. Abrahams little experiment in douchebag sci-fi is doomed to faliture before it even shoots, not because of fanboy ire, but because Abrahams refuses to fix the problem --bad stories! Fuck, how dumb are these smart people? Pretty fucking dumb!
Oh, and.... by ebolamonkey	Aug 30th, 2007 04:16:47 PM
all male characters should have moustaches in the Abrams Trekverse.
Where's that Warp 11 guy? by JAGUART	Aug 30th, 2007 04:16:47 PM
He was always doing this...; http://www.warp11.com/
If I held the auditions... by JAGUART	Aug 30th, 2007 04:18:45 PM
You bet your ass the contenders would have to perform a shoulder roll, two-fisted punch and the classic flying leg-kick.
and... by ebolamonkey	Aug 30th, 2007 04:22:38 PM
Spock can fly. Yes, he has a moustache, as well.
that's not spoilers or sourced rumours by flipster	Aug 30th, 2007 04:22:43 PM
just speculation...slow news month aicn?
Jamie Bamber for Kirk aka by zooch	Aug 30th, 2007 04:27:15 PM
Lee Adama aka Apollo on BSG
Sounds fucking great. by mr.brownstone	Aug 30th, 2007 04:27:53 PM
It makes the Kirk/Spock relationship even more moving, intense and EPIC. I love this idea.
and... by ebolamonkey	Aug 30th, 2007 04:29:49 PM
Kirk has a super-intelligent robot parrot that sits on his shoulder and that he names "Beep-Boop-Beep-Boop".
Great idea for a Trek reboot by JAGUART	Aug 30th, 2007 04:34:11 PM
They should take the new cast, put them in a shuttle pod and for the first twenty minutes have them glide around an immense bust of William Shatner as it gets a hairpiece refit.
i agree, reboot by occula	Aug 30th, 2007 04:41:38 PM
is it old news that i read in the mirror that james mcavoy is going to play scotty? they'll need somebody way stronger than that dude from that tv show as spock if that's the level they're going for. i'd let that guy do me in the wrong'un!
oops by occula	Aug 30th, 2007 04:42:43 PM
i mean mcavoy. doing me in the wrong'un. not that guy from that tv show. poor grammar. sorry.
Damned If I Can Log In by 2LeggedFreak	Aug 30th, 2007 04:46:45 PM
Hey I remember that King Fu episode. I still think having Jessica Harper or Jonanthon and Jennifer (+Freeway and Max) would add something to it. Only other thing I'd like, building on Shuttlepod_10's comment is that the first person to quote Shakespeare (to show how intellectual the actors are) gets a full "phasers on kill" from the much abused Red Shirts,
Best result of a complete Re-Boot.... by tritium	Aug 30th, 2007 04:56:58 PM
Make it so that ALL the Trek shows that followed the Original Series (INCLUDING the Next Generation) become non-existent. Don't even acknowledge them. Make it the new adventures of Kirk, Spock, McCoy and Scotty. Fuck everything else!
WTF? by And Nicolas Cage as Fu Manchu	Aug 30th, 2007 04:59:36 PM
WHy don't they just do a straight reboot? The time travel stuff sounds way too confusing for the average audience and it runs the risk of being retconned like the ending of Enterprise (It was all a simulationn...) Just do a full reboot. Make Sulu an asian girl (every geek loves asian girls) and you are all set.
"Jamie Fox as Capt. Kirk" THAT WOULD BE PERFECT by future help	Aug 30th, 2007 05:12:04 PM
perfectly hilarious. I GOTTA' see that!
I don't think it is that complicated, I think... by FreeFingers	Aug 30th, 2007 05:29:31 PM
What I think doesn't require any time travel stories. I just think that the old spock is the narrator of the stories about the young spock, thus putting them both in the movie. A lot simpler. I dont think the first movie of a partial reboot should go into some crazy ass time travel bullshit to start some equally crazy ass alternate universe. I want a movie about the crew of the Enterprise, not the crew of the alternate universe Entertprise. It's OK if they fudge the cannon just a little bit if it overall helps the story. It's not like anyone would notice or be angry about it. Well, I guess fat basement nerds might get angry. But as long as they keep the important cannon, fudging around in the less important stuff is fine by me. Just make a good Star Trek and make it about OUR characters, not alternate universe crap. LANDA? CAN YOU HEAR ME?
Also, how are these rumors? by FreeFingers	Aug 30th, 2007 05:32:25 PM
You say you've been hearing some rumors but then in your actual post it seems completely composed of your own personal speculation. Where are the rumors? Where are you hearing these things?
Alternate timelines? by TinkerTIW	Aug 30th, 2007 05:42:45 PM
Just visit our old friend the Guardian of Forever. Problem solved.
this just sounds stupid. by Gabba-UK	Aug 30th, 2007 05:44:23 PM
While I have faith that JJ can come up with an interesting story, he IS dealing with Star Trek. All I'm saying is that if he push's to far in the wrong direction some nutjob trekker WILL kill him or at least try to.
Send this to the Writers by INFINITUS	Aug 30th, 2007 05:47:25 PM
I've had a Trek time travel concept in mind for a while. In a nutshell. When Kirk's Enterpirise crew was back in 1960s Earth, a transporter echo left a copy of a crew dude on Earth. After the "Generations" movie time travel fiasco the Federation decides to outlaw time travel and implement a "temporal prime directive," But before they do they have the messy business of removing the trouble maker that got left in the 60s (maybe he used his advanced tech to somehow become a major political figure who causes a lot of shit - hmm U.S. President that should not've been maybe?) When the crew covertly goes back to the 60's to extract the meddlesome redshirt, mayhem ensues and a lowly beatcop accidently gets taken back to the 23rd century to spend 6 months in heavy starfleet action until they can jury rig the transporters for a oneshot temporal transport to return him safely to his time. Now get this... big reveal at the end - in an emotional goodbye scene, an aged Trek regular thanks the young beat cop is has performed so admirably as a fish out of water. He puts a hand on his shoulder and says - wait for it - thank you GENE. roll the credits. Whataya think? Pass this along to someone who can use it.
Great, more Time Trek and Vulcan goes Krypton? by Drath	Aug 30th, 2007 05:49:33 PM
So he DOESN'T blow up Krypton, but DOES blow up Vulcan? See, only a retarded casual observer of both Trek and Superman would find that exciting or automatically confuse the concepts with good writing. In context they might be interesting, but certainly I have had it up to my eye sockets with time travel in Star Trek and it makes me sick that it's going to be used yet again.
Here's how Spock saves the time continuum: by Scar Gordon	Aug 30th, 2007 05:56:23 PM
He activates the Omega 13 in time to save Colm Feore's skullbone allowing him to throw Vin Diesel's soul into the Underverse where he becomes one of the brainless toadies of David Warner who has taken over as the Evil Genius and is plotting revenge on Malcolm McDowell for sending him traveling through time without the machine. Warner "activates mind control" on Kenny Baker to sabotage young Skywalker's pod racer, thereby erasing the continuity errors associated with pre-sequels and foiling JJ's plot to kill Kirk before he gets a chance to grow up and bust McDowell in the kisser a couple of times before he blows up.
My Trek Idea - Please Get it to the Writers by INFINITUS	Aug 30th, 2007 05:56:58 PM
I’m not arrogant or even smart but this is a little bit of genius I want to give the world to make it a more magical place. I've had a Trek time travel concept in mind for a while. But thought noone would use it. Now that there toying with this time travel shit again. IT MAY BE TIME. Could you get this to someone who could make use of it? I know you guys are connected. In a nutshell - when Kirk's Enterpirise crew was back in 1960s Earth (remember that episode), a transporter echo left a copy of a crew dude on Earth. After the "Generations" movie time travel fiasco the Federation decides to outlaw time travel and implement a "temporal prime directive," But before they do they have the messy business of removing the trouble maker that got left in the 60s (maybe he used his advanced tech to somehow become a major political figure who causes a lot of shit - hmm U.S. president that should not've been president maybe?) When the crew covertly goes back to the 60's on one last time travel mission to extract the meddlesome redshirt, mayhem ensues and a lowly 1960’s beatcop accidentally gets taken back to the 23rd century to spend 6 months in heavy starfleet action until they can juryrig the transporters for a oneshot temporal transport to return him safely to his time. Now get this... big reveal at the end - in an emotional goodbye scene, an aged Trek regular thanks the young beat cop who has performed so admirably as a fish out of water. He puts a hand on his shoulder and says - wait for it - thank you GENE. Roll the credits. I have much love for you guys and what you do. It would be cool if this element got worked in. It effectivel creates the spooky notion that trek is real oooo-eeee-oo Fun no? Keep up your fantastic work guys. Dave
Anyone else's brain by Scar Gordon	Aug 30th, 2007 06:00:54 PM
work like that when you're still at the office at 7pm?
Trek needs a re-imaging by Larry of Arabia	Aug 30th, 2007 06:06:56 PM
After DS9 the stories began to become played out. After 6 series, 726 episodes, and 10 movies they were starting to run out of fresh ideas, stories, and surprises in this universe. I'm sure they won't mess too much with the overarching principals and dynamics of the old show, and if the changes are done well they open up whole new worlds that can become it's own cannon without destroying the old cannon. Trek already has an alternate Universe. Why not add another?
Chemistry is more about actors than characers by Larry of Arabia	Aug 30th, 2007 06:10:25 PM
They will not be able to get the same chemistry that the original actors has. Even if the parts are perfectly written the actors have to inhabit the roles in just the right way. The originals were lightning in a bottle, and it won't be duplicated here.
Pass by Paul T. Ryan	Aug 30th, 2007 06:29:32 PM
I think this whole sort-of-prequel idea is utterly pointless. Abrams should be taking Trek forward, not rehashing old ground.
I smell a Superman Returns scenario by Mattyboy122	Aug 30th, 2007 06:29:45 PM
And I liked that flick, I just realize that a lot of people also detest it. But you had Singer paying too much of an homage to Donner and it seems like Abrams is trying to stick too close to the original series (keeping Nimoy in there). But Singer mixed it up with a controversial aspect (the kid, who I hated, as well), and Abrams could mix it up with his time-travel

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