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First by Midol Boy	Aug 29th, 2007 01:24:46 AM
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Devil's Rejects was Highly Overrated by Midol Boy	Aug 29th, 2007 01:28:08 AM
It was alright. House of a 1,000 Corpses sucked balls as will Hillbillyween. Zombie is getting as annoying as Eli Roth.
not my cup of tea by George Newman	Aug 29th, 2007 01:32:57 AM
i find his filmmaking very unappealing
where the "Owen Wilson attempts suicide" talkback? by Boomers_Lips	Aug 29th, 2007 01:34:23 AM
i keed, i keed!
LEAKED WORK PRINT? by THE KNIGHT	Aug 29th, 2007 01:47:50 AM
If the movie fails, will the fact that the movie got leaked be to blame? Why doesn't anyone ever get caught? This isn't Spiderman 3, I'm sure there aren't that many people working Post Production... They should be able to narrow it down no?
Owen Wilsons reason for attempted suicide! by PAC-MAN	Aug 29th, 2007 01:47:56 AM
He saw Rob Zombies Halloween remake and decided to end it all!
"...half seem to at least like it, if not love it." by zikade zarathos	Aug 29th, 2007 01:50:58 AM
I've only heard from people who HATE it. I watched the "Workprint," which was godawful. No amount of reshoots can fix this thing unless they "reshot" the entire movie with a different script and a different director. And this is coming from someone who LIKED "House" for what it was. This is going to have a HUGE dropoff from Friday to Saturday when word of mouth spreads.
Superbeast Vol.1 Superbeast Vol.2 by CuervoJones	Aug 29th, 2007 01:52:20 AM
Superbeast Vol 1 Unrated Edition, Superbeast Vol.2 Unrated Edition, Superbeast Director´s Cut...
The real reason Owen Wilson attempted suicide... by Midol Boy	Aug 29th, 2007 01:53:29 AM
To stir up publicity for his next film. Pretty clever when you think about it. He gets counselling. He goes on a dozen talk shows to talk about it. And all of it before the premier of his next movie. We all go watch it because we feel bad for him. I really don't mind the manipulation cause its promoting a Wes Anderson film.
Zombie's Halloween impressed me by TheDohDoh	Aug 29th, 2007 01:56:47 AM
Hey everyone. I just saw Halloween tonite through a connect and it suprised the hell out of me. Zombie is a mean director and while I was totally unhappy about the reinvention of Carpenter's classic, I really feel we haven't seen a well made horror movie like this for some time. It's brutal and well shot, and most all, pretty fucking scary. Great news for the Weinsteins. They certainly need it.
I don´t know Midol Boy by CuervoJones	Aug 29th, 2007 01:58:28 AM
People don´t watch movies for pity. The guy is a comic actor, and suicides are not very funny. Anyway, i really love Captain Spaulding, but i´m not sure about this remake. Carpenter´s Halloween is a perfect suspense film.
It is decidedly average, Halloween that is... by Alonzo Mosely	Aug 29th, 2007 01:59:30 AM
Better than the script that did the rounds would suggest though, I'll avoid real spoiler territory (but don't read if you want nothing spoiled), but a lot of the weakest areas of the script were dropped, or at least reworked, however the overall structure is unchanged. Also the only thing I really liked about the script (the realistic and simplistic end to Myers) is changed to the traditional up he pops for another go ending... McDowell is a class above the writing and it shows, and Zombie can not write teen girl dialogue to save his life... Still it isn't a train-wreck by any means, just underwhelming and a pointless remake in the grand scheme of things...
This movie is good for horror by TheDohDoh	Aug 29th, 2007 02:02:45 AM
The other thing is that if Zombie's Halloween does well, that is great for horror, and I'm not talking about bullshit Eli Roth torture porn horror (unless he makes Thanksgiving which was awesome) - Freddy, Jason = all of these franchises will get a boost and hopefully new ones will start. We need a new iconic horror villian and I'm sorry but Ronnie in The Tripper ain't it. Neither is fucking Jigsaw. Zombie is kinda of the savior of horror right now in my opinion. While he likes his hillbilly dialogue, at least it's his and not ripped off from somewhere else.
How well is this expected to do? by TheDohDoh	Aug 29th, 2007 02:04:44 AM
Anyone seen any projections for the weekend or care to share their own? I'm thinking around $20M. The trailers are really starting to come into their own.
16TH!!!!!!!!! by Poloboy	Aug 29th, 2007 02:18:24 AM
I am a huge Halloween fan, have all of them on dvd, and all the producer's cuts, etc., yet I have very little interest in this. I will rent it, but am tired of remakes. My comments are not original, I know, but I am really, really tired of remakes. The studio executives obviously disagree, but I don't think too many of the remakes of the last few years have been smashing successes.
The title shot rocks! by TheDohDoh	Aug 29th, 2007 02:24:44 AM
My favorite shot and what was really a clincher that this Halloween was a total reenvisioning was the title shot, when lil Michael is running down the hall of his school and it freezes and "Halloween" pops up and Carpenter's old score kicks in. It's seriously a great scene that will stick in your head. This is not another "remake." There is a lot offered here and it's all well thought out. Lots of subverise, disturbing camera choices. Can't wait to see the reaction. Hold you knees until you see it people.
I hate how Quint always plays humble by IndustryKiller!	Aug 29th, 2007 02:35:35 AM
Dude, you're a smart guy, I don't always agree with you, but I respect you. If you see something happening in the film world that you feel strongly is an injustice (like you seem to with Halloween) scream it from the rafters man. Don't give people a free pass. In todays cinematic landscape that is the last thing studios deserve especially in the case of needless remakes that you know damn well are crap. Give yourself and your opinion a little fucking credit when you make some commentary otherwise you just cheapen yourself. I know sometimes you eventually have to interview these guys face to face but suck it up and do the right thing.
And what is this split down the middle crap? by IndustryKiller!	Aug 29th, 2007 02:37:18 AM
The vast majority of reviews I've seen rolling in in the past 6 months skew very much toward the negative. The ones that don't sound like idiots who make claims like "best slasher movie ever" or "best horror remake ever".
If he cornholes ANY Lovecraft story, he must die by Doctor_Sin	Aug 29th, 2007 03:12:59 AM
Just tossing that out there.
It's about what I expected (mild spoilers). by Psyclops	Aug 29th, 2007 03:26:06 AM
Well, the leaked version of the film is pretty close to what I expected from Rob Zombie. The film is heavy on violence and sleaze with very little in the way of suspense or subtlety. Everything from Michael's family life to his time spent incarcerated was a missed opportunity to explore the character. Now I don't think he needed to be explored in the first place but if Zombie was so dead set on giving him a troubled history and a reason for committing his crimes then he should have spent more time developing this part of the story, especially his interactions with Dr. Loomis which seemed to lack any kind of drama. Zombie is a poor writer, that's the thing that really kills this movie, but even though this film doesn't live up to the original in any conceivable way there are hints of a decent movie somewhere in there. It's a mess and rather painful to watch but in the end it's going to fade away from memory as quickly as Gus Van Sant's PSYCHO and John Moore's THE OMEN.
Rob Zombie's HELLRAISER by godoffireinhell	Aug 29th, 2007 03:50:43 AM
10 bucks says he'll direct that remake as well.
If it's half decent then... by quantize	Aug 29th, 2007 03:54:35 AM
this is a 'director' reborn because his previous films are fucking diabolical shit..for Quint to say that he didn't mind Rejects, massively undermines his taste and credibility.
Diabolical Shit? by godoffireinhell	Aug 29th, 2007 03:59:56 AM
First of all thanks for making me laugh. Most horror fans would consider that phrase a recommendation. Guess you don't like it rough?
He should do a couple of RomComs by thinboyslim.	Aug 29th, 2007 04:00:10 AM
something with Sandra Bullock or a rising teen singer/actress.
Will he be forced to only do John Carpenter remakes? by tonagan	Aug 29th, 2007 05:14:48 AM
Or only the Halloween films? Actually, I'd like to see someone else take a stab at Halloween III, I found it pretty enjoyable.
Judging from the Workprint by mastes360	Aug 29th, 2007 06:01:53 AM
The film is decent but has terrible character development and the second half has a complete lack of atmosphere, you meet the characters then within a few minutes they are dead!. Not as good as the orig in any way but it could of been worse and if this was kust another sequel than it certainly would be one of the better ones.
Remember when Weinstein meant quality... by Bluereader	Aug 29th, 2007 06:24:51 AM
Those were the days. Yeah, at least they had the balls for Grindhouse.
I really hated the new Halloween... by DanielKurland	Aug 29th, 2007 06:54:38 AM
The film spends about 30 minutes with Myers as a child, and it's not about 50 minutes until he leaves the asylum. I am not opposed to giving characters tortured childhoods to create pathos and reasoning for how they are (Francis Dolarhyde from Red Dragon is a fantastic example), I am just sick of tortured childhoods these days consisting of trailer trash families with a stereotypical drunk abusive father and a stripper mom. If Zombie felt he HAD to show us Myers' youth, he could have done it in a less cliched way. Also, the film seems to imply that Michael's time in the asylum is what fucked him up and made him crazy, whereas we know that he should have been insane from the start. There's also a whole running theme with how Michael makes assumedly hundreds of masks, which I thought was kind of dumb, and how he changes them occasionally. in the end, it was just a generic slasher film that was barely worth it, in my opinion. Zombie does choose some good songs to use, and it seems like he could have made a really good film in the end, but I hardly consider this to be equal, or worthy of the great, great original. A lot of tits in it though.
That being said... by DanielKurland	Aug 29th, 2007 06:58:30 AM
I liked the idea that Michael always wore the mask when he was a kid, and he became so fucked up, that he CONTINUED to wear a mask up until his adulthood. I mean, that's a pretty messed up person, and some nice stuff could have been done with it, I just wish it was in an original horror film, as opposed to this one. This film is pretty much as good as al lthe subsequent Halloween sequels.
mastes360 by jfp2007	Aug 29th, 2007 07:14:30 AM
No character development in the original, either. This remake is actually superior to the original in every way or at least the leaked workprint is. Why is it that the Halloween series has so many alternate versions available. Every other movie has an alternate cut or was completely refilmed at some point.
I hate all of Zombie's work by Nice Marmot	Aug 29th, 2007 07:18:19 AM
That said, if one of the 2 pics in the deal is the killer Bigfoot movie he's talked about, I'm there opening night. It would have to be better than that Sci-Fi Channel killer garden gnome flick that Harry pimped a while back.
I'll tell you what I think Zombie could do.... by Red43jes	Aug 29th, 2007 07:49:48 AM
I was talking to a friend the other day about Halloween. We agreed that this franchise was something he should NOT have touched. That said, it dawned on me that ONE horror franchise that could use a reset button and would put asses in the seats (if done right) would be Phantasm. I think Zombie really could pull that one off. I know a few of you probably like this series, BUT I feel that its one of those flicks that REALLY coulda been bigger, yet, for some reason it was never put into the right hands. I don't think Zombie is the greatest, yet, he does love his horror. I think that doing Halloween was too big of a target for him, that Halloween is gonna be put under the microscope when he is mentioned for YEARS to come. Whereas, if he had gotten his hands on Phantasm, I really think it woulda been up his alley, and woulda really been a lotta fun. Just my oppinion...Red43jes
PHANTASM remake is set up at New Line, not Dimension by godoffireinhell	Aug 29th, 2007 08:37:18 AM
Therefore it's unlikely Rob Zombie will do it at this point. HELLRAISER is much more likely or maybe he could reboot the CHILDREN OF THE CORN frnachise? It should suit his hillbilly redneck sensibilities.
Swimming Pool?!?!? by screamster101	Aug 29th, 2007 08:38:59 AM
Oh fucking great... I wrote that into my horror novel about 8 years or so ago. I really hope it's not the same idea... LAWSUIT!!!!
Great by Turd Furgeson	Aug 29th, 2007 08:59:58 AM
This news just ruined my morning...... I can't believe after this disaster of a film, that fucking Zombie still ACTUALLY gets work.. How totally fucking depressing.. Man the Weinsteins are out of touch....
Rob Zombie's On Golden Pond by Dr Gregory House	Aug 29th, 2007 09:12:10 AM
Only the pond is a cement pond a with Sheri Moon as Elli May
Weinstein's Are Plumb Out oF Cash by Fartgod The IRSTard	Aug 29th, 2007 09:36:25 AM
That's what the rumors say. So giving Hackboy a deal is cosmetic only.
Films Rob Zombie COULD remake... by spud mcspud	Aug 29th, 2007 10:42:13 AM
SWEET HOME ALABAMA - Hillbilly rom-com. FAILURE TO LAUNCH - Rom-com starring good ol' boy Matt McConaughey. Could be hillbilly-ised. HOW TO GUT A GUY IN 10 WAYS - Sheri Moon Zombie turns Kate Hudson's part into a psycho hillbilly lunatic. Matt McConaughey guest stars as a good ol' boy. CHILDREN OF THE CORN - Set in Backwoods, Hickville. HOUSE OF 1000 CORPSES - Get it fucking right this time. TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE - Didn't he already do that and call it HALLOWEEN? Or H1KC? Or DEVIL'S REJECTS? Yeah, pretty much all of 'em. Just fucking do a John Wayne Gacy biopic and get it out of your system. Then do a proper remake of TCM and go get them hillbillies money, yee-haw!!! ROB ZOMBIE'S DUKES OF HAZZARD, anyone???
Memories-of-Murder by spud mcspud	Aug 29th, 2007 10:50:29 AM
Yeah, you're right, I am basing my hateful expectations of this movie on two things: (1) I hated both of his other movies. Can't argue that DEVIL'S REJECTS was badly made (HOUSE OF 1000 CORPSES was damn near unwatchable) but it was a shit movie. Why do I want to sympathise with a bunch of sick fucks who torture and kill for kicks? I'm supposed to be ashamed of myself for sympathising with the sheriff cop guy because he enjoys torturing then killing these sick fucks? At least he's doing it for a reason: to save us normal folks from the torturing killing hillbilly psychos. Why should I identify with the Firefly family? I fucking cheered when they went down to FREEBIRD. And (2) Because HALLOWEEN is that rare thing: a stone cold classic that still holds up well enough not to need a sequel. Same goes for that fuck-up-in-the-pipeline ESCAPE FOR NEW YORK. WHY? Wasn't the original good enough? Name one horror remake from the 21st century that has any merit whatsoever as a horror movie. There aren't any, and this won't be the first. But I reserve any specific hate for until I've seen this shitstain in its entirety. Although the trailer sucked and blew all up in my face. Why is Michael Myers a WCW reject who lives in the only redneck shacl in the street? Wasn't the point of Michael Myers that he was an average WASP type kid from an average middle-class WASP type family? Which is where MOST serial killers come from, if hillbilly fanatic Zombie bothered to read up a little more on his serial killers. Bottom line: Zombie sucks. I agree hack may be a little too strong a word to use yet (he's only made 3 movies, two of which have some technical merit to them) but give it a few more movies (God forbid). I think he ought to either start a new genre - Zombie hillbilly horror - and leave the remakes alone, or fuck off back to that shit metal he makes. Either way, M-O-M - thanks for noticing that I don't hate for no good reason. There's ALWAYS a good reason to hate on a Rob Zombie movie: they're irredeemable shit.
Rob Zombie is a solid director. by LoneGun	Aug 29th, 2007 11:06:19 AM
He may not be eveyone's cup of tea but he has a strong and singular filmmaking style. THE DEVIL'S REJECTS showed a very assured hand.
Here, ladies and gentlemen, is an example of the target by Stalin vs Predator	Aug 29th, 2007 11:11:08 AM
audience of "zombie" and his "films": http://www.imdb.com/user/ur126 48701/boards/
Speed Fricassee, SEVEN SAMURAI has been remade before. by LoneGun	Aug 29th, 2007 11:13:53 AM
It was remade as THE MAGNIFICENT SEVEN, which was highly entertaining. Cheers to you, though, for speaking your mind to Weinstein.
THE HADDONFIELD HILLBILLIES by TORTURE PWN1	Aug 29th, 2007 11:20:58 AM
I just watched the workprint of SHALLOWEEN and it's absolutely, without question, one of the stupidest and most useless horror films I've ever seen. Not kidding. The dialog alone will either have you cringing and feeling sorry for the actors or rolling on the floor laughing. "Taco deluxe supreme" is this years "Tutti-fuckin-fruity!"
Kathy Bates Fish Taco deluxe supreme by Stuntcock Mike	Aug 29th, 2007 11:29:35 AM
Gotta start somewhere
Stalin Vs Predator... by -guyinthebackrow	Aug 29th, 2007 11:35:45 AM
THAT is an AWESOME nickname.
Good find... by BitterMan23	Aug 29th, 2007 11:42:55 AM
http://tinyurl.com/2e7k3w differences between Workprint and Theatrical versions of Halloween.
DEVILS REJECTS SUCKED by vanfan	Aug 29th, 2007 11:47:09 AM
Devils Rejects only SEEMED not to suck because it was better than that house of a thousand corpses bullshit. But, I've got to say, HALLOWEEN is pretty good. Of course, I've never seen the original, but I thought this remake was pretty intense.
Nickname? Just wait till you see the movie! by Stalin vs Predator	Aug 29th, 2007 01:44:38 PM
It's all planned. Crispin Glover as Stalin, Shia la Boeuf as Predator. With a cameo by the Alien as Casper van Diem. All it needs now is a financier. I bought a class from Uwe Boll, DPhil, to learn how he gets them. Because if he can...
Lets all have a moan!!! by dogstar69	Aug 29th, 2007 02:03:31 PM
Just finished watching the workprint, gotta say, being a Halloween fan, i thought it was great, but not fantastic. While i'm not shocked easily, the amount of swearing is unbelievable, reminded me of hannibal king in blade 3, i felt embarrassed listening to it, some of the acting was awful, i couldn't tell the difference between the girls, so didn't kno who was who. but still, small critisism's affect the film. Except Micheal himself, Fant-fuckin-tastic, old and young, he truly is intense. the camera work is also incredible, well, not the token fast flashes, but when zombie places the camera down and has it gently watching. there is a few scenes, particularly micheal removing the gravestone, where all we do is watch, the sun almost blistering the screen. overall worth a watch, but not if you're going to hate it regardless. an mcdowell is amazing, thats all you need to know
just saw this, now here's a remake by dogstar69	Aug 29th, 2007 02:04:06 PM
http://www.totalfilm.com/movie _news/josh_olson_headed_to_oz
go sci-fi, zombie, go by teammember8	Aug 29th, 2007 02:38:55 PM
How about Zombie directing the "Wild Cards" movieization of the novels? With Bill Moseley as the Astronomer...and Samuel L. Jackson as Fortunato?
jfp2007 by mastes360	Aug 29th, 2007 02:49:59 PM
The orig spent far longer showing us the characters, in Zombies version i didn't even know who was who!. And like i said, it has a complete lack of atmosphere, the orig was (and still is on a dark night) nerve tingling and very atmospheric, you spent time watching the characters mess around doing whatever they are doing, you were waiting for Myers to jump out after hearing a noise etc, this version has none of that and nearly all the kills are the 'paint by numbers' 2 kids kissing then suddenly Myers is stood behind them, yarn.
WHAT THE FUCK IS YOUR PROBLEM by TheDohDoh	Aug 29th, 2007 02:59:15 PM
Seriously, how many Halloweens have there been that have been beyond shoddy and lacking all inspiration???? If this was another run of the mill TCM remake, then I could see how you people would be this angry. At least Rob Zombie takes time to do something different and put his stamp on the movies. He's not rushing out and making shit like Hostel. He has the balls to try to reinvent a franchise that is pretty much fucking dead. And he's said he doesn't want to make a sequel to it. SPOILER - He wouldn't have killed Loomis in the threatical cut if he wanted to make a sequel - END OF SPOILER. There are some truly great scenes and shots in this movie that are disturbing and not due to their graphic nature - just young Michael standing in a window looking at trick-or-treaters - something that simple - Zombie films it and gives you shivers. With this movie, Zombie has MADE THE FIRST HORROR FILM THAT FEELS ABSOLUTELY FRESH AND UNPREDICATABLE AND MOST ALL SINCERELY IN LOVE WITH ITS MATERIAL in the last decade. I'm not saying it's brilliant, but name a better horror film of recent??? There isn't one. You may not like his style but he's doing good things for horror. I hope to god he makes his Sasquatch dream project too. If you haven't seen the workprint or the theatrical versions, bite your tongues off. And I personally think it's awesome that we have two extremely different versions of Halloween out. Rock the fuck on.
@ DOGSTAR69 by TheDohDoh	Aug 29th, 2007 03:05:56 PM
"Let's all have a moan, it was great but not fantastic." Are you kidding me with that comment? This is a franchise that has 10 goddamn bad sequels and you want to moan because it's....GREAT?!! Some of you guys gave Halloween H20 a fucking blowjob several years ago and that movie was totally bullshit compared to this. Hackery. I think Harry loved Halloween H20. But for a film that should be properly debated, it seems to be getting speared like a pig on a beach. "Let's all moan, it's great but not fantastic." Jesus christ man. Let's fucking celebrate that it's not a shit pile after 20 years of shitty Michael Myers movies. This is not a shot-for-shot remake. WHEN THE FRIDAY THE 13TH REMAKE COMES OUT IN 2009, THEN WE CAN GET THIS MAD. If Tarantino remade F13th or Halloween, we wouldn't be having this conversation. If you're pissed the Weinsteins, take that elsewhere. For my money, this Halloween gives me way more entertainment, and mind candy about film than Grindhouse. Rob Zombie is the real deal. He's the ideal "Fangoria" director. Look at his fucking name. Get excited.
"I'm gonna crawl over there and skull-fuck you!" by TORTURE PWN1	Aug 29th, 2007 03:10:30 PM
This movie is a suspenseless, ridiculous mess with the worst dialog ever on film. Malcolm McDowell obviously sleepwalked through it. Too bad zombie didn't try ripping off one of Oliver Stone's NBK devices again and add a laugh track. It might not have worked, but it would've added to the camp value and shown zombie was in on the joke. Save your cash, folks. It's bad. Reeeal bad.
The Genre needs new input. by fireclown	Aug 29th, 2007 03:18:39 PM
The Genre needs new input. Rehashing the old stuff is how things start to spiral towards entropy.
Carpenter by r2hunter	Aug 29th, 2007 03:34:43 PM
Let's talk about the REAL issue. What the hell happened to John Carpenter? He totally lost it. Ghosts of Mars was pure garbage and I love the man's early work. The Thing and Halloween are among the best movies ever made. Among the worst - Carpenter's Children of the Damned...but Escape from LA as so bad it was good.
It's sad what's happened to Carpenter. by LoneGun	Aug 29th, 2007 03:43:13 PM
Those early films of his are so fantastic that his name is still associated with greatness, even though his bad films now outnumber his good ones. He hasn't made good film since STARMAN. That was really the last one.
lol at Torture PWN1 by mastes360	Aug 29th, 2007 03:45:09 PM
Yeah the film had some realy cringe worthy dialog that was stupid but funny at the same time, a lot of it from Mcdowell himself who always looks like he wants to be somewhere else in every scene!, he can be a seriously good actor but the way he delivered some of his lines was like he actually thought this was a comedy!.
Watching it right now by TheViper1979	Aug 29th, 2007 03:54:21 PM
holy shit is he brutal in this one. I'd say its definitely solid
for those who've seen it... by GaiustheBrave	Aug 29th, 2007 04:09:14 PM
So, does all this mean that Michael is shown to be human deep down, what with the so-called established pathos? Is it just me, or wasn't Myers the character he was because he wasn't tortured or multi-dimensional? He doesn't even hate the people he kills. He actually walks after you when he's going to kill you 'cause he knows he's gonna fucking kill you no matter what, staring at you with those dead eyes. Being pure evil is not a simplistic character choice for Michael Myers, because he's a monster. If I'm seeing a biography on Hitler, then tell me how the hell he became a mass murderer. But, trying to rationalize Michael Myers just shows a complete lack of appreciation for the biggest monster in recent movie history.
Jezzus, MoM! Repeat Carpenter? by TORTURE PWN1	Aug 29th, 2007 04:41:18 PM
Most of the 2nd half of this thing "repeats Carpenter". The fucking music "repeats Carpenter", the MASK "repeats Carpenter. Whole lines of dialog- say it with me- "repeats Carpenter". Repetition is NECESSARY for a remake or it's not a fucking remake, dumbass! zombie is most definitely not "doing his own thing", he's having his way with someone elses. Remakes are not "doing ones own thing."
Seriously by TheDohDoh	Aug 29th, 2007 04:44:57 PM
All I am asking is what horror movie has more originality than Zombie's Halloween in recent years? And it's a fucking remake for chrissakes and it still is better executed and far more original than Hostel or Haute Tension. Zombie is an exciting filmmaker and I truly think the guy has a lot of integrity and gives a shit about what he is doing. He's not out there trying to fuck Bijou Phillips like Eli Roth, he's got a wife named Zombie and he wants to build an incredible CV of directorial efforts. So what if he likes his hillbilly language. Motherfuckers will be talking about Zombie's early films like they talk about classic '80s horror. It's new. It feels like '00s horror. FINALLY. SOmebody is here to do right and put a fresh spin on it. And the Weinsteins are counting their last chips that he's the man.
Rom Zombie Should Remake Grease 2 !!! by Drunken Busboy	Aug 29th, 2007 05:04:51 PM
Rom Zombie Should Remake Grease 2 !!! With Bill Moseley & Sheri Moon in the Mx Caufield & Michelle Pfiefer roles and Sid Haig in the Adrian Zmed roles! Before you laugh just think about it! That's All! Just think about it!
The thing is... by ledbowman	Aug 29th, 2007 05:08:48 PM
Zombie is totally undermining the very thing that made Michael scary as shit in the first place. He was a complete mystery. All we knew about him is that he was hell-bent on homicide. No indepth childhood backstory (except, of course, for the opening scene, but even then, we didn't come to KNOW Michael.) He was just a Shape. By going back and giving him a reason to kill, he's robbing Michael of all his fucking scary. Rob Zombie? Fuck him.
Oooops! Rob Zombie should remake Grease 2! by Drunken Busboy	Aug 29th, 2007 05:09:29 PM
Ooooooops! Let me try that again! Rob Zombie Should Remake Grease 2 !!! With Bill Moseley & Sheri Moon in the Mx Caufield & Michelle Pfiefer roles and Sid Haig in the Adrian Zmed roles! Before you laugh just think about it! That's All! Just think about it!
@ledbowman by TheDohDoh	Aug 29th, 2007 05:35:12 PM
Have you seen this? The way Zombie shows Michael growing up is actually pretty cool. I'm not playing Zombie's advocate here either Mysterious Yobo. The kid like 1 million x more fucked up than Culkin in the Good Son. Zombie is portraying Myers as a serial killer set in the real word - the film seems set in the '80s based on the fashion, music and sceneray. The young actor who plays Michael at this time is freaking eerie, but also overdoing it, which makes it feel real. I totally totally get the argument for demystifying Michael Myers here. I thought it was bogus too, but when I actually watched the movie it works. It's a totally new vision and psychology to the character. What I think is great is that Zombie's Ed Gein-take on Myers will evolve (if there is a sequel) into the supernatural like the prior Halloweens. You have to understand, this is like how Batman is portrayed by different writers in comics. This is only Zombie's direction, not the definite one. But it is highly interesting, disturbing and and entertaining. Color me astonished. I like it.
TheDohDoh by ledbowman	Aug 29th, 2007 05:55:53 PM
I see where you're coming from and you make an interesting argument. But for my money, I feel he'll cease to be Michael Myers once Gein-ized. All in all though, I'll reserve final judgement until I see it. (Duh.)
Memories-Of-Murder by LoneGun	Aug 29th, 2007 06:24:15 PM
I don't feel the risk of any ridicule whatsoever in saying that Carpenter hasn't made a good film since STARMAN, because I HAVE done my research. I've seen every one of those post-STARMAN films you mentioned, as well as all the others. My opinion may not be the same as yours, but it is indeed an informed one, brother. But hey, thanks for the advice.
I vote for Hof1000C Criterion with MOM commentary! by reflecto	Aug 29th, 2007 06:30:25 PM
Two-disc, with one hundred pages of liner notes! Jesus Christ what a loquacious motherfucker for such bad shit.
To "TheDohDoh" by joeyjojojrshabadoo	Aug 29th, 2007 06:42:38 PM
I can name several movies that have been better than the piece of shit that is Halloween reborn. "The Descent", "The Abandoned", "28 weeks later"... Rob zombie may love horror movies but that doesn't mean he knows how to direct them. I love basketball but can't play worth a shit. Rob Zombie can't even direct traffic...
Oh and the other commentary by Camille Paglia by reflecto	Aug 29th, 2007 06:45:30 PM
Of course.
Coming Soon: Rob Zombie's "Phantasm" by Daddylonghead	Aug 29th, 2007 08:30:04 PM
where the silver ball has an ironic mullet, and the dwarves' robes are made out of confedorate flags. "It's not a remake, more like a re-imagining. Like, I imagine the Tall Man having crazy dreadlocks and he's like, all crazy and trailerpark style, like a circus ringleader kind of guy?"
"And instead of Reggie selling icecream, by Daddylonghead	Aug 29th, 2007 08:32:25 PM
that part will be given to my wife, and she'll sell fried twinkies from her crazy hillbilly hotrod carny twinkiemobile."
"The mistake was not exploring the silver balls' roots" by reflecto	Aug 29th, 2007 08:45:23 PM
With William Forsythe as Head Dwarf and Dee Wallace Stone as the Tall Man's counterpart, Method Woman.
Rob Zombie's Jesus Christ Superstar by Gatack	Aug 29th, 2007 10:04:02 PM
Here Jesus walks out of his tomb only to be met by gunfire while Sweet Home Alabama plays in the background. Make it work.
WHERE'S THE ARGUMENT? Just a friendly debate, guys by TheDohDoh	Aug 29th, 2007 10:11:33 PM
Can we at least agree that a new Halloween is better than the franchise stopping where it's at? We were about to receive a poorly thought-out PREQUEL to Halloween before Zombie stepped in where Oliver Stone never would. Michael Myers is an eternal horror icon for American film. He is perhaps the source of the American slasher as we know it. I understand why Zombie's reimagining is hard for a lot of people to swallow - ESPECIALLY IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN IT. BUT, YOU HAVE TO REALIZE, IT'S NOT A "WRESTLER VERSION OF MYERS" nor a "HILLYBILLY HORROR FEST." While Michael Myers is fucking gigantic in this - it's Zombie's way of depicting evil personified. As he grows from a psychopathic kid into the boogie man that is Michael Myers, Zombie nails that evolution. It's such a cool idea when you see it and don't read about it. The hillbilly stuff is based on other serial killers' childhoods. It disappears totally once Michael leaves the asylum. Hey, that's Zombie's bag, but he doesn't have Sig Haig spouting his mouth about pussy and beer for the entire picture. I think you'll be surprised at the balance Zombie strikes. @joey - you are right. 28 Weeks Later is is a badass modern horror film, thanks for reminding me. And that one was overlooked, even by me it seems. That director will do big things in the future. But Zombie has taken a dead franchise and a horror icon and not tarnished them, but brushed them off and remade them in his eyes with great care. Michael Myers was always a psychological terror, and he is more so in this. This is the equivalent to Aronofsky making Batman: Year One in my opinion. I understand that Carpenter created Myers. But you must understand that Myers mythos lives on b/c of the inferior sequels. Zombie has brought him back. And this movie will haunt you. I love the use of the original score here, I love Myers new look - it's not like he talks or moves a lot differently - he's just bigger. The wrestling images will not even come into your head. I have to give it up to the Weinsteins for giving him the reigns to do this. I think this film will live on for quite some time, and I hope Zombie does go back and make a sequel to show everyone how a proper sequel to Halloween is done. To the person who dislikes any "supernatural updates" there are none here. But please tell me how Michael keeps coming back from the dead for the past two decades without some otherworldly interference. It's nonsensical. I think everyone is starting to jump on the "don't touch a masterpiece" bandwagon, but in all honesty, that masterpiece has a lot of cobwebs on it, and people have been touching it for a long fucking time.
Rob Zombie's "Kill Bill-yBob" by Daddylonghead	Aug 29th, 2007 10:14:53 PM
"Instead of Uma Thurman, it's my wife, and instead of a sword she has a big ol' sawed-off shotgun, and it's all super redneck and crazy, and Bill is played by William Forsythe, just re-using footage and outtakes from Devil's Rejects. Lots of quick cuts, so you can't really tell. And I used lots of blue gels on the lighting so the whole thing looks like shitty low-budget music video."
No, DohDoh, we cannot agree by Daddylonghead	Aug 29th, 2007 10:17:40 PM
that Zombie's movie is better than the franchise just stopping. When something has gone bad (like the halloween movies), adding more, new, different, worse badness, badness that claims to replace or "reinvent" the good, original movie that spawned the franchise... that is NOT a good thing.
You've seen it then Daddylonghead? by TheDohDoh	Aug 29th, 2007 10:27:13 PM
or are you just being annoying?
Zombie should emake for the umpteenth time ... by Uncapie	Aug 29th, 2007 10:29:07 PM
Island Of Dr. Moreau. More human than human. Are we not men? His is the hand that heals! His is the hand that cures! THE HOUSE OF PAIN!
FOR THE RECORD: I think Carpenter is a legend by TheDohDoh	Aug 29th, 2007 10:30:08 PM
I am a huge fan of Carpenter's filmography. Some of his films are always in my top 10, notably They Live, Halloween, Big Trouble and Dark Star.
WHERE'S THE COVERAGE AICN? by TheDohDoh	Aug 29th, 2007 10:40:41 PM
Seriously, I know Moriarty is going to shiv this movie four ways from Sunday (what does that mean, I dunno), and Harry will probably ignore it outright, but this is a big title and the coverage has been muy slim thus far. There is a lot to discuss here, as far as the movie, the original, the icon, zombie, the weinsteins needing a hit. All that's brought up so far is the equivalent to this website going "meh" and a bunch of talkbackers making redneck asides who haven't even seen either cut of the movie yet.
@Daddylonghead by TheDohDoh	Aug 29th, 2007 10:43:11 PM
The thing is man is that YOU CAN"T STOP MICHAEL MYERS from showing up in films. They'll be churning these movies out until the Earth becomes a big ooze of false human importance. So it's better to see an artist like Zombie take risks than to see a 9 tacked on to some fucking shitpile and put out on Halloween as is the norm.
JoBlo has run their review by BitterMan23	Aug 29th, 2007 10:57:51 PM
As has the horror movie a day guy. JoBlo = positive. HMAD - negative (and it rivals even the most long winded Harry review for length - jesus fucking christ dude, SUM UP) And CHUD has more or less damned it in offhand remarks. Yet still no word from like, Fangoria, Bloody D, Shock... and of course, AICN.
JoBlo's Review by TheDohDoh	Aug 29th, 2007 11:22:33 PM
Was pretty spot-on, though it sounded like even the reviewers was surprised by what he was writing.
Why does Zombie do a zombie film? by MrMysteryGuest	Aug 29th, 2007 11:43:55 PM
It all fits, ya know! "Zombie"--directed by Zombie!
It should say "Why doesn't Zombie do a zombie film?" by MrMysteryGuest	Aug 29th, 2007 11:45:34 PM
My bad!
Zombie is not an artist and he has never taken risks by reflecto	Aug 30th, 2007 01:39:30 AM
He simply goes back to the same tried and true well of concepts that powered his wild stage shows in the 90s which his blindly devoted fans will lap up every time. And he will always name drop classic horror films so that big horror mags and critics online and offline will continually hasten to divine riches from within the detritus of his latest celluloid shitheap. "It can't be that bad," they tell themselves, "he was so enthusiastic about our favorite films, so convincing, so self-assured, and we NEED new visionaries in the genre who love the genre!" Well that may be true, you syncopanthic choads, but Rob Zombie is not a visionary and he cannot make a good film, and it's high time they admitted that instead of apologizing for him over and over with faint excuses and offering the same pleas for "fair judgment" of "a man who loves horror".
@reflecto by TheDohDoh	Aug 30th, 2007 02:00:45 AM
If you are saying that Zombie's take on Michael Myers is not up to par with its prior eight rehashings, then you sir are naive and probably have not seen the movie. Let it be known on this evening that I have listened to only one White Zombie album and that was in 7th grade, when "More Human Than!" was topping the MTV charts.
TheDohDoh, meet Memories_of_Murder. by Daddylonghead	Aug 30th, 2007 02:51:09 AM
A garrulous, inarticulate match made in heaven. I recommend you move to whatever euro country Memories lives in, because gay marriage is probably legal there. You two can have a themed wedding, in a special chapel designed to look like Rob Zombie's ass.
Give Zombie the Hellraiser adaptation! by SonOfTorah	Aug 30th, 2007 04:34:22 AM
'Nuff said. Give Rob Zombie the reins on the new adaptation of Clive Barker's book The Hellbound Heart. Could be a chance it will happen, as Hellraiser is with Jew film producers the Weinstein Brothers...
To Mr. -Murder by Space oddity	Aug 30th, 2007 05:11:32 AM
John Carpenter was a great visionary director once, and Halloween was a landmark film in that it was his Hollywood resume. The skimpy nature of the story and bare bones plot were to give Carpenter room to prove that he could compose a killer shot, edit subtley and intensely, and even score the thing. IT WAS NOT A BRILLIANT SCRIPT OR IDEA. Rob Zombie trying to 'get to the heart of the character' is basically the same job that those TV producers will have with making the Geico cavemen into a sitcom. The ground is fallow for ideas because it was always fallow. The Star of HALLOWEEN 1978 was John Carpenter, not Michael Myers. It's just a too bad Mr. Zombie didn't realize that until it was too late.
... and Sweet Fucking Christ YES... by Space oddity	Aug 30th, 2007 05:19:49 AM
The Devils Rejects did suck and the only reason anyone even began seriously discussing that unoffending, bloodless drivel was because it was not absolutely unwatchable like 'House...' was. Shooting Desperado style in the desert and simply 'paying homage' again and again and again with every single kill scene is not inspired or clever. An homage can be a wonderful bright spot in any movie, but not when it's beat to death like a loathed horse. 'Hey Dude, so like the scene will start as an 'homage' to 'Chainsaw 2' and then it'll be an homage to 'Darkman 2'... oh and then it'll end with like an homage to 'Final Destination'. Now bring me my horrible actress wife to blow me in thanks."
B/c when I think of M-O-M I think 'rational viewer' by reflecto	Aug 30th, 2007 09:04:41 AM
Right, that's why you write tear-soaked screed after tear-soaked screed about Rob. Listen, man, you think you're the only person here who watches avant-garde or art film or film outside the genre, you're full of shit.
Speed Fricassee & reflecto by Mr. Nice Gaius	Aug 30th, 2007 09:17:05 AM
Exactly! This guy is completely incapable of accepting the fact that other people may not share his views on certain films and their directors. Zombie has made 3 feature films: one that is an absolute fucking travesty, one that is a 70's-style throwback failure, and now a remake of a classic that no one on the planet asked for. Oh, but wait! If you question Zombie's mad skillz, your guilty of "geekoid dogma". (Whatever that means...)
"you're" NOT "your". by Mr. Nice Gaius	Aug 30th, 2007 09:18:25 AM
Bloody typos...
Halloween Fags!! by topdolla69	Aug 30th, 2007 10:00:20 AM
I hate how people believe whole-heartedly that the original Halloween was some cinematic greatness when it wasn't. It was crap, there was no character development, which Zombie worked on, and it was boring. Zombie developed on Micheal Myers character, he gave him depth. During the time of its release, this may have been a good film, but now-a-days people need something more, which I think Zombie brought. Believe me, if the original would have tried to be release now, it would get worse reception. I hate that the second someone says remake, people start to panic
John Carpenter deserves his legendary status. by LoneGun	Aug 30th, 2007 10:35:02 AM
Yes, he has definitely earned it. To merely recall those great films he's made sends shivers up my spine. And they are timeless.
Memories-Of-Murder = Crybaby by Mr. Nice Gaius	Aug 30th, 2007 11:27:20 AM
Hey douchebag, how many times do we have to go through this? I already addressed your stupid "stalker" pose in the LAST Talkback where you pulled the same nonsense. YOU REALLY NEED TO KEEP UP. Better yet, you need to learn how to take criticism and dissent since you certainly have no problem vomiting it all over these threads. If you can't deal with it, maybe you should leave, you big baby. And I know that English is not your primary language (ergo the mass volume of grammatical and spelling errors in your posts). But good Lord, man! Where are you from?! Portugal?!
And another thing... by Mr. Nice Gaius	Aug 30th, 2007 11:33:51 AM
...superstud. I hate to break it to you but your "geekoid dogma/group thinking" argument don't fly with me, flapjack. Because going against "geekoid dogma" is knowing when to call a piece of shit...a piece of shit. And Zombie's films are just that = POS. Sorry buddy, I know the truth hurts. As someone who walks around with 24 hour Talkback hard-on for Michael Bay, you should have no problem understanding that. Or does hating Michael Bay qualify as "geekoid group-think"?
MoM learned a new word- Dogma! by TORTURE PWN1	Aug 30th, 2007 11:36:00 AM
Now, someone please tell him what it means.
I hate to say it, you guys... by REMcycle	Aug 30th, 2007 11:37:58 AM
...but I just watched the first 30 minutes of the workprint and was taken completely by surprise! I was skeptical and yes, there are way too many f-bombs dropped in the first 15 minutes, but other than that, it's really good so far. I'll be at the drafthouse tomorrow to see the rest.
Geezus Memories-Of-Murder... by Mr. Nice Gaius	Aug 30th, 2007 11:41:43 AM
Way to deflect. What, are you quitting? Seriously. Man-up, dude. How about answering some questions instead of trying to ignore the issues put forth to you. Please know that I say this in an effort to help you NOT look like such a crybaby.
Further speculation on Memories-of-Murder nationality by Daddylonghead	Aug 30th, 2007 11:45:23 AM
He must live somewhere with really decent cheap crank, because nothing else would explain the sheer fucking volume of his posts.
@TheDohDoh by dogstar69	Aug 30th, 2007 12:04:47 PM
In case your still here, the "lets all have a moan" was intended as sarcastic, the majority seem to jump on to the halloween/zombie threads purely so launch forth vitriol. i like the film, i truly did. Even though the sequels quickly ran out of ideas and were left to limp along on the Halloween name, they had they're plus points. i think zombie's film could kick start the franchise and give it the shot in the heart it desprately needs. bring him back for a sequel, but i stand by my original negative points, i've recommended the film to friends and am going to see it at the cinema, and i think zombie has got the potential to do something amazing...
Watched the workprint. by neutrino	Aug 30th, 2007 12:14:32 PM
Yikes. Only slightly less enjoyable than testicular cancer. About the only positive things I can point to are Brad Dourif's cameo and Danielle Harris going topless. The rest is a shining example of what not to do in a horror film.
Memories-Of-Murder = Crybaby by Mr. Nice Gaius	Aug 30th, 2007 12:44:20 PM
Uh...yeah. Just like I said: Way to deflect. So much for trying to help you, huh? Here is an example of a typical Memories-Of-Murder discussion: MOM: "Wowee, Rob Zombie is the coolest. He's such a filmmaking talent. THE DEVIL'S REJECTS is the shit. And SPIDERMAN 2 is the greatest film ever made. Anyone who thinks otherwise, is wrong and doesn't know film like I do." Talkbacker #1: "You know, I've seen Rob Zombie's films and I thought they were terrible. All style; no substance. Not to mention really bad writing. Come to think of it, I didn't really care for SPIDERMAN 2 that much either. It seemed devoid of any emotional involvement. But these are just my opinions." MOM: "WHAT?! How can you say that about my boy, Rob?! And you didn't like Spidey 2?! You obviously don't know shit about good movies and are therefore subject to the geekoid dogma that clouds your brain. Why don't you leave the good movies to the people who like them like me, Memories-Of-Murder." Do you see what I'm getting at, Memories? You can only read that tripe so many times before someone has to call "BULLSHIT". Lucky for you, I nominated myself. And I don't even believe you understood what you just wrote in that post of yours. Because if anyone here in the past several weeks has appointed themselves Lord Sanctimonious, it's you. Your obnoxious overwrought accusations can only be matched by your willful choice to ignore the opinions of others. And that, my friend, is where you make your mistake.
And M-O-M... by Mr. Nice Gaius	Aug 30th, 2007 12:49:05 PM
...in a gesture of goodwill, I'll just say that I've been posting on AICN for quite awhile now. I don't post every single day and I certainly don't post in every single Talkback. I pick and choose based upon my interests...or whatever riles me up. Maybe one day you'll understand that.
To "TheDohDoh" by joeyjojojrshabadoo	Aug 30th, 2007 01:53:45 PM
Yes it is true that there were less superior sequals.. but Part 2 kicked major ass... part three while having the Title of Halloween is not considered part of the michael myers myth... part 4 was bad... part 5 was worse... I have to say I liked part 6, maybe it was paul rudd?... H20 was good!... and part 8 , while cheesy, was a fun ride!!!. I like that you have an opinion on this, everyone does. But you hype Rob Zombie up to be some sort of Horror God, and he's not. His character development sucks, His directing is just above Paul W.S. Anderson's (not good)... He should've stuck with music (but frankly after leaving White Zombie, his music has become comical!)...
Memories-of-Murder's nationality. by Daddylonghead	Aug 30th, 2007 01:57:53 PM
No, I don't actually care about your nationality, nor do I care about you. Nor do I have the patience to read the eight million page screeds you and your husband DohDoh swamp the Lame-o-Ween talkbacks with. Although the insight that this is actually what you spend your fucking vacation time doing-- defending a clownish hack remake-director in AICN talkbacks-- is a chilling one.
on a related note, by Daddylonghead	Aug 30th, 2007 01:58:59 PM
I fucked your mom.
Im wary of Halloween by kilik777	Aug 30th, 2007 02:17:35 PM
and the Devils Rejects sucked ass! The cinemotography was a step up but it wasnt near as enjoy as House of 1000 corpses. http://tinyurl.com/pv8do
I'm going to say this once more just for MoM... by TORTURE PWN1	Aug 30th, 2007 02:29:57 PM
I HAVE seen this movie and it is terrible. You can defend this piece of shit without seeing it all you want, but your opinions regarding it are useless and uninformed.
I'm wary of Weng Weng by Daddylonghead	Aug 30th, 2007 02:32:40 PM
He's a tough, sexy 2'9" Filipino super spy. http://tinyurl.com/36tsjn
Yes, Memories-of-Murder, you're right. by Daddylonghead	Aug 30th, 2007 02:43:43 PM
Halloween 2007 was simply too complex a narrative for me. Zombie's reliance on filmic intertextualism and his allusive, almost obscurantist approach to temporality and narrative causation left me confused and bewildered. His subtle in-camera character shifts, his disorienting interleaving of the diagetic and meta-diagetic... my god, it was like Virginia Woolf's "The Waves" rendered in celluloid.
Your mom's not dead by Daddylonghead	Aug 30th, 2007 02:47:44 PM
She's sitting right here discussing filmic intertextuality with me between fuck sessions. She said to tell you you're a terrible disappointment.
I don't care what anybody says... by TORTURE PWN1	Aug 30th, 2007 05:13:19 PM
Any movie that plays "Love Hurts" by Nazareth while a fat faced kid sits on the curb munching candy corn & pouting about not getting to go trick or treating is hilarious. Intercut said scene with the kid's mom at a strip club giving a hick a lap-dance, and you've got pure deep-fried comedy gold. This thing seriously needed a laugh track.
sheesh by DocArzt	Aug 30th, 2007 05:45:39 PM
All I can say is the Michael setup is boring and not in anyway nuanced. It's all of the obvious ploys for a psychopath. Torturing animals, etc. The mission to make Michael real is a failure. On the other side, the time wasted on Michael's youth sadly deprives the leads from any meaningful character development. I really didn't give a rat's ass when they were killed. The new deaths are almost entirely in the who gives a shit bracket. Daniel Roebuck's addition is bitchin. But come one, the deaths are maybe a little more physical, but they lack the surreal pacing of the original.
Throwback to the Seventies? by Space oddity	Aug 30th, 2007 05:54:06 PM
Are you a fucking retard M-O-M? What part in Badlands did you see Martin Sheen comically hit by a computer generated truck a la Scary Movie? and where was the Hillbilly armor in Peter Bogdanovich's LAst Picture Show? (Though I agree some elements were stolen from Badlands) Just because you fade out the color on your film does not make it daring, original, or unique. and just because you pile the bodies high doesn't make your film 'dark'. Compare the actress who played the Lady MacBeth character in 'Throne of Blood' to Bill Mosely. She fills you with fear and danger at her ability to kill, while Bill Mosely has to give an unconvincing and frankly laughable scene in which he claims to be from Hell (or what the hell ever it was so boring and unaffecting).
And could it be that the reason.... by Space oddity	Aug 30th, 2007 05:59:34 PM
everyone you claim is a Horror geek (aka actually has a taste and understanding of the genre) doesn't like Zombie's films and you do is because you have no fucking clue what you are talking about? Could it be that you're just another dumbass kid that thinks anything 'extreme' is awesome and cutting edge and that you have no idea how to look for subtlety, nuance, motif, etc? The way you talk about Rob Zombie's films is like hearing somebody say "God, I really don't know why all those Beatle fans don't understand how much of a genius Fred Durst is?"
THIS IS THE FUNNIEST THING I HAVE EVER SEEN by reflecto	Aug 30th, 2007 10:18:55 PM
I just saw this tonight (legally). It is Showgirls bad. I may have to buy the DVD just for that, because IMHO it is on par with Showgirls, Valley Of The Dolls, and another modern camp classic, "I Know Who Killed Me". The first six minutes alone are unbelievably hysterically bad. And JUNI? Little Juni from SPY KIDS?! Oh man! What the fuck were they going for? Why is everything Zombie writes a junior high burlesque?
RE: daddylongleg.....about a Phantasm remake.. by jojo-pimp	Aug 30th, 2007 10:36:28 PM
i know you were making a joke, but shit, after seeing His last few films, he would be the perfect director were somebody to remake the original Phantasm! I'd see that shit in a heartbeat
@Reflecto by TheDohDoh	Aug 30th, 2007 10:55:50 PM
So you'd say H07 is worse than the seven other sequels? If so, you have no taste or lack personal need to seek progress and original direction in your horror films.
And BTW it is "torture porn" by reflecto	Aug 30th, 2007 10:58:03 PM
More than any of the Hostels. I love gore as much as the next man, and I loved Last House On The Left, but I also love restraint and taste, which Last House had along with classic more bloodless horror films (like...gee...THE ORIGINAL HALLOWEEN!). Except in the first half hour Rob is already trying to do Last House, but do it more nastily and viciously for much more vapid reasons.
Doh you seem to think this film can get a pass by reflecto	Aug 30th, 2007 11:00:15 PM
I'm sorry but it can't. I never claimed Halloween Resurrection was not horrible, or that Halloween 5 or 6 were not laughable. Those three definitely were, though I think the other sequels have varying good quality. But this takes it to a whole new place, and there is no excusing it just because Resurrection had Busta Rhymes and this one doesn't. What do you want, a fuckin' "no Busta Rhymes" medal? Start talking about the piece of shit I just watched, instead of another piece of shit we all already dismissed.
@Reflecto - I don't know what you want from a Halloween by TheDohDoh	Aug 30th, 2007 11:20:13 PM
Reflecto, while I am a fan of this latest version of Halloween and Michael Myers and not playing Devil's Advocate whatsover, to say that Zombie's version is less than recent remakes of Amityville Horror, TCM (all of the remakes are truly horrible), The Fog, Eric Red's splendid The Hitcher, and even Black Christmas (which the original birthed the slasher genre) is FOOLISH. To compare it to Showgirls is a cheap insult. The three act structure that Zombie has envisioned is something new to horror. I can understand that you prefer Carpenter's original masterpiece to Zombie's vision (though, this is that rare case where a remake is not totally out of the question). But to compare it to Showgirls b/c you think it's totally lacking creative thought and original notions for the stale horror genre is a big mistake and oversight on your part. I don't know about you, but I do want more Michael Myers tales. Same as Jason and Freddy. But I want them to bring something fresh to the table. When I first heard that Michael would be shown as a little kid, I was pretty angry. It's a dumb idea in concept, but Zombie makes it work. He makes Michael a fleshed-out psychpath in three rather full steps: troubled/demonic youth, depersonalized asylum patient, mythological boogeyman. He does this without tacking on the trailer trash aesthetic you are claiming. I was expecting that as well, especially when I saw that a longhaired former wrestler that is 7 feet tall was playing Michael. But instead, Zombie has brought reality to Michael Myers by making him a serial killer and then letting comparisons to other serial killers fall by the wayside, b/c Michael Myers is evil personified, the end all be all. Michael Myers now has an identity. Zombie understood Carpenter's theorizing of The Shape in the 1978 original, but he didn't copy that. He decided to take a risk and it paid off. Both of these Halloweens can exist in the real world, just like multiple different Wolverines and Batmans exist. I am glad Zombie took the time and risk to make this (and no doubt this film will open large this weekend and advance his career, though I expect it to be attacked in the press, if only for "excessive gore" - which is a criticism that doesn't fit here, but is one that can be thrown on modern horror right now). We could have gotten another Busta FUCKING RHYMES HALLOWEEN, and I do not want that. And man, I am glad that Zombie's is well beyond that and all the other sequels. Michael Myers is back. And that is a good thing. If his long hair pisses you off, and you don't like ignorant hick characters, fine. But admit that it could've been a lot worse. And finally, admit that some very creative thought went into this entire film. It's a pretty cool-looking movie. And no, asshole, I don't like "extreme horror," I am not a "gorehound," I don't like White Zombie or Rob Zombie's music, and I do totally like Carpenter's version and understand it's lack of gore (as all Carpenter's films fall into). But Zombie's version deserves credit. Finally there is a new addition to the Michael Myers franchise that shows some fucking creative heart and some new ideas. Go watch it with an open mind, and please keep AICN out of your mind when watching it. Some of these guys have a vendetta against screenwriters not in their middleage clique. They're too old to get it in my opinion, but I still love AICN.
Fortunately Doh, I did NOT say it was worse than all by reflecto	Aug 30th, 2007 11:37:28 PM
horror remakes ever made in the history of creation, but thanks for continuing to try and skew the online perception of people who happen to think this film is a piece of shit. I don't know where you pull these sweeping generalizations out of. The film I watched was nothing new, nothing bold, nothing daring - it was simply the same type of pastiche of "ramped up to eleven" hyperbolic melodrama (with redneck flavor) and '70s grindhouse "homage" styling that Rob has ALWAYS fallen back, and it was disgusting to watch that done to Halloween. I don't know what first 30 minutes you watched but that film was heavy on the redneck, Sonny Jim. It was just an EMBARRASSMENT to the franchise and an embarrassment to modern horror. I saw no "very creative thought" that I haven't seen with Zombie a dozen times, and other filmmakers much better than him. Zombie's work is the apex of the "stale genre" today, because this shit is what every remake is copying today and what Zombie himself has been copying since he first fancied himself Russ Meyer. And you want to know what I find this one worse than the other bad Halloween sequels? The reason it so offends me, moreso than even Resurrection, is because Resurrection was simply balls-out awful and everyone KNEW it. No one claimed fucking "Halloween 5" reinvented horror. Whereas this keeps getting people apologizing for it, excusing it, trying to shine it up, saying that THIS shit is a "fresh new way forward," that THIS slime is "a new hope (Episode IV)", that this is the only way to save the character, the series, hell, even HORROR ITSELF. What pretentious horseshit. This is NOTHING, it will not save the series, it will not save the genre, it only hurts it by making studios and producers think that this same approach and same heavy bastardized '70s (and not nearly as good) schlock aesthetic are what people are looking for, and THAT will only make horror even more stale. As for "middleage cliques," I AM IN MY GODDAMN 20s. You want to know what good, fresh modern horror is? Go watch "The Descent", go watch any number of the better Japanese guys, go watch Alexandre Aja or David Moreau or even Lucky McKee in a tight pinch. EVEN ROTH! These are people who have some amount of unique voice and a unique way to express it.
IGN review gave it 0/10 by neutrino	Aug 30th, 2007 11:52:10 PM
Few reviews up on rottentomatoes, all bad. I think the only enjoyment I'm going to get from this godawful film is the critical corn-holing it receives.
Halloween 07 > Descent > Haute Tension by TheDohDoh	Aug 30th, 2007 11:52:16 PM
Oh please. The Descent is a minorly decent horror flick. It's the same "get trapped in a dark place and attacked by monsters" movie sans a shocking start and "brawny" female characters. Hight Tension is a wankfest. Grisly murders and an ending ripped out of Se7en, but at least it got them a movie deal I guess. Yes. I saw that Michael Myers' family in H07 had ignorant Southern drawls and a penchant for sentences linking curse words. So what. My point was that anytime a director decides to put some genuine thought into a character that has grown stale, it's fine by me. In case you didn't see it, Halloween 2 had extra gore compared to the original. In that case, it was done to make money (go research it and see why the director is still unhappy with Carpenter's involvement to make it more "competitive"). In Zombie's case, it's to show you that Michael Myers is a fucking serial killer woven into the American fabric. Hi reflecto, I am in my mid 20s as well. That wasn't a potshot at you, it was a potshot at the writers of AICN who have dodged this movie but loved so many piss poor remakes and lesser horror films (TCM, High Tension, erm, Die Hard 4). Zombie's film is at least well shot. He's not doing the Oliver Stone jump edits or the shakey cam like his other two films. He's on his 3rd film. I wasn't expecting a masterpiece. But what I got I was pleasantly surprised with. The movie is thought out shot for shot. But no, this is not better than The Descent and definitely not better than the just-greenlit "De2cent." I will defend this movie b/c I can already sense the hate coming to it. I think there's a lot of jealousy here (no, not with you man) with Zombie being on his third pic and having landing Halloween. He doesn't play in the usual circle and he's not afraid to say what he didn't totally get about Carpenter's original, which is sacriledge to most people. The dude is obviously a-okay in my book. I'm done posting here unless anyone else has any questions for me. I will wait until AICN posts their reviews. I am glad that at least JoBlo gave it a 7.5 out of 10. Comingsoon.com's review is bullshit - pretty much asking for more gore earlier.
TheDohDoh by TheRealMoriarty	Aug 30th, 2007 11:55:08 PM
... who the fuck do you keep talking about when you mention "the AICN writers"? Here's a challenge to you: go find my reviews of THE TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE remake, or THE HITCHER remake, or HAUTE TENSION, or any of these films that you claim got a free pass. Then go find anything I've written about HOUSE OF 1000 CORPSES or THE DEVIL'S REJECTS. And then come back here and tell me again that all I do is bash Rob Zombie and praise shitty remakes. Go ahead. I'll wait here.
And While You Do That... by TheRealMoriarty	Aug 31st, 2007 12:00:09 AM
... go check out this interview that my writing partner, Obi-Swan, did with Rob for DEVIL'S REJECTS. http://tinyurl.com/2ldmf5 You're right. We've always hated him here at AICN and we have always done nothing but bash him! I love generalizations, especially ones that are mostly fiction.
The only things I'd take from this remake: by reflecto	Aug 31st, 2007 12:01:22 AM
1) Have a future film claim "Rob Zombie's Halloween" is a bastardized Hollywood film ABOUT the "real life" Shape that is totally off the mark. And 2) If the kid can act in a few years (he was real dodgy) and has stopped eating, maybe cast the little kid playing Michael as his son. I don't like Halloween 6 but the fact is going there regarding that existing character is one of the few frontiers left on the series. You wouldn't have to reference any of that Druid shit since it's been totally ignored. I will say one thing about the remake - while I think she is overall a terrible actress and probably a terrifying person in real life, I think Sheri Moon is a beautiful woman when she's toned down and reserved (as in the later scenes at the hospital) and could be emotionally affecting. That is, if she got a real director who didn't make sure she "acted" every scene as broadly as possible like a circus freak on meth.
Lol by neutrino	Aug 31st, 2007 12:01:34 AM
"He's not doing the Oliver Stone jump edits or the shakey cam like his other two films." What brand of industrial solvent have you been sniffing? If Rob used anymore shaky-cam in this film I'd think he was suffering from Parkinson's.
@Moriarty by TheDohDoh	Aug 31st, 2007 12:27:37 AM
Hey. Nice of you to chime in. When I refer to the "AICN Writers" I of course refer to Harry first, Merrick, Capone and yourself Moriarty. You guys have griped about Zombie's Halloween since it was announced and especially since you first read the script. I'm not saying that you're not allowed to dislike the film - hell, I severely dislike the trailer to the Mist, - but I just have a problem with how the film is not being discussed very much on AICN, when it's a highly debatable film. Instead, we get little potshots like at the beginning of this article (that is now off the homepage for anyone who remotely cares about seeing this movie). When I speak of Nispel's (sic?) TCM remake, I speak of Harry's ridiculously for-it review. Moriarty, I know you like The Hitcher, if not Eric Red as a person. Fine. I was pointing out to reflecto that on a barometer of recent horror remakes, this is barnone the best, even if the film it's remaking didn't need one. Let me just say to everyone who is complaining elsewhere that Laurie and Loomis are not as strong as in the original - I agree. But I think that this film is Michael's Halloween. It's to shed light on his character. While coming up with a bullshit origin story for Leatherface is ridiculous, I feel Zombie made it work - quite the accomplishment IMO. And Moriarty, like your article today on Abram's possible idea for Star Trek - I don't see how you can justifiy being in some agreement with that direction and slam Zombie for doing what he's done with Myers. Like I said, I feel that Carpenter's Halloween and Zombie's Halloween can live in harmony. I think that comparisons between the two are surprisingly moot, because they have two different goals for the genre and characters. But basically, I just wish AICN would dive into a film like the new Halloween - being that you guys are the beloved beacon of geekdom - instead of hinting that you don't like it. If you do think it's as bad as you had feared upon seeing it/reviewing it, I think you definitely should reconsider. Thanks for writing Moriarty. Sorry if you take that as a direct insult. I wasn't referencing your reviews in particular, nor your nonexistant hatred for Zombie. I am aware that you liked The Devil's Rejects. Promise. I just think that for a franchise that is on the last brink of being undead, Zombie has done a great service to Michael Myers.
GOOD SAVE ON THAT WORKPRINT REVIEW, MORIARTY by TheDohDoh	Aug 31st, 2007 01:18:14 AM
Seriously, huge mistake posting that. My criticism that you guys are harshly judging Zombie for this one due to nostalgic underpinnings stand strong. Clearly a workprint review. I'd take it down and start the ambush anew. Reimagine the ambust if you will.
Yeah, those two altered scenes really change the film by reflecto	Aug 31st, 2007 01:40:14 AM
Moving on.
@SpeedFric by TheDohDoh	Aug 31st, 2007 02:34:15 AM
Cool man, thanks. If Moriarity wants to get down to brass tax, he'll let me post a review of Halloween 07 on here under TheDohDoh, my real name or another alias. I have a lot to say about this one and I definitely feel the shortshift for this film arriving full force tomorrow.
TheDohDoh, do you have like 14 fingers? by Daddylonghead	Aug 31st, 2007 03:30:01 AM
Or maybe some voice recognition software program, where you just snort a big fat rail and then babble about Rob Zombie for a half hour, while your computer auto-transcribes your nonsense into the "Your Comment" field? Or maybe you're on payroll for ol' Rob Rombie? How could you be so PASSIONATE and LONG-FUCKING-WINDED about such a TOTALLY RETARDED MOVIE? It sucks, it's critically reviled, it was a bad idea to begin with, made by a bad filmmaker, & once the teenyboppers have seen it this weekend, it will die the ugly death it deserves. Accept that, move on, and focus your frankly freakish super-attention on defending WAR or DADDY DAY CAMP or some other horrible movie.
and please consider my suggestion by Daddylonghead	Aug 31st, 2007 03:32:26 AM
of marrying Memories_of_Murder. Through in-vitro colonic fertilization, you two could gay-breed the ultimate Rob Zombie Superfan, with 100 arms like a hindu deity to type 100 talkbacks simultaneously, each bloviating for 100 paragraphs about the cinematic revelation that is Halloween '07.
I loved 70s cinema. HALLOWEEN 07 IS NOT 70S CINEMA by reflecto	Aug 31st, 2007 05:45:13 AM
It is a caricature-ish piece of shit trying to reheat itself with cult actors and ridiculous exploitation-style violence and clothes - AND NOTHING ELSE FROM THE 70s CINEMA, you know, like innovation, ambiguity, characterization, thought-provoking screenplays, etc. It hopes it will get enough people who get brief flashbacks to Last House, Hills, or TCM, and associate those movies with this shit. Do not dare try to link this film to groundbreaking '70s cinema, made either in Hollywood or independently within the genre. You will lose that one.
Oh and I hate Paul WS and Bay, always have by reflecto	Aug 31st, 2007 05:47:28 AM
But I gave Zombie a chance on both his first two films and both times they were abortions. And so was this. I never apologized for Anderson or Event Horizon, which I thought was a piece of shit from the day I saw it as a kid. And I don't see anyone defending the Hitcher remake. Oh, and this Michael shares very little similarity to Carpenter's. Please elucidate upon their deep similarities.
THE HITCHER... by TheRealMoriarty	Aug 31st, 2007 06:48:37 AM
... and again, you mention THE HITCHER. If you mean the remake, you are fucking high. I hated that film, I said so, and I don't recall ever even hinting otherwise. I deal with this more in my HALLOWEEN review, which is up now. Including that workprint nonsense.
@Moriarty by TheDohDoh	Aug 31st, 2007 02:42:58 PM
Your review is really that of a guy who needs to distance himself from watching horror movies. Btw, of course I know you hated the remake of The Hitcher. I believe you liked Eric Red's original, which is awesome. Btww: Publishing the work print review is not "nonsense" Moriarty. You published it right after reading my comments about not giving Halloween the light of day until Friday. And you published exactly what you set out not to publish. It's a shame that you are directing your well-referenced hatred reviews to Rob Zombie's Halloween. If you think the guy struck out by trying out some new ideas, fine. But at least he tried. I'd love to see your remake of Halloween. And again, you would say there shouldn't be one. But again, Michael Myers is bigger than the original, or at least he's still "pushing on." Realize that. Halloween movies aren't going away.
10 Million... by dogstar69	Sep 1st, 2007 11:30:49 AM
opening night, not too shabby.. http://www.boxofficemojo.com/m ovies/?id=halloween07.htm but we'll see how it goes..

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