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It’s Sunday... I’m Bored... Let’s Run A Crazy TERMINATOR 4 Rumor!

Well, it's bound to happen at some point. by CatVutt	Aug 26th, 2007 09:32:56 PM
Too much profit potential. Am I the only one who can barely remember anything about Terminator 3?
first!!! by dudemandude	Aug 26th, 2007 09:33:55 PM
my first time being first!
Hahahaha. by CatVutt	Aug 26th, 2007 09:34:16 PM
Sorry, man.
What does an actor have to do with continuity? by AxeBox	Aug 26th, 2007 09:34:27 PM
Just cuz a different actor plays him doesn't mean it throws CONTINUITY off. Besides, we're talking about a TIME TRAVEL STORY, and you mention CONTINUITY? ha.
They need to cool it with... by torpor_haze	Aug 26th, 2007 09:34:42 PM
casting and recasting roles in a franchise that involves time travel. Eventually you won't know which way is up.
or not lol by dudemandude	Aug 26th, 2007 09:34:48 PM
oh well.. that's what I get for being a slow typer
HULK HOGAN IS BACK AS MR. NANNY! by Jarados	Aug 26th, 2007 09:34:50 PM
Where's my dustpan, brother?
It's like bringing back the original Becky! by chrth	Aug 26th, 2007 09:35:07 PM
Meanwhile replacement/replaced Becky gets to be awesome on Scrubs.
the answer is obvious by dudemandude	Aug 26th, 2007 09:36:07 PM
little Eddie Furlongs GOTTA EAT!!
we gotta owen wilson down! by dudemandude	Aug 26th, 2007 09:37:23 PM
apparantly owen wilson is at the hospital after an attempted suicide, according to Drudge! and Hulk Hogan's son is down from a car accident!
Here's a 1-18-08 YouTube thingy from the UK's News Five by Pennsy	Aug 26th, 2007 09:38:24 PM
That seems to have different audio than the teaser for Cloverfield from the middle of the trailer on: URL: http://tinyurl.com/3xlonf
This dude headlining a major summer film... by teamneedle	Aug 26th, 2007 09:40:51 PM
no way. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =pXQQ4LRESqA
That's too bad... by Frank The Rabbit	Aug 26th, 2007 09:40:57 PM
...Nick Stahl is a hell of a lot better!
and its been listed on IMDB that he would be in T4 by teamneedle	Aug 26th, 2007 09:41:56 PM
for almost a year now, this page needs deleted.
Xiphos: How to deal with a much older Arnold by chrth	Aug 26th, 2007 09:51:22 PM
Two ways: X-men 3 way, by digitally youngering (tm ChrTh) him, or Star Trek Next Generation way, that is, ignoring the fact that your android has developed jowls.
Am I the Only One... by The Real MiraJeff	Aug 26th, 2007 09:53:18 PM
who would be happy if this rumor turned out to be true. I love Eddie Furlong and he'd be a hell of an actor if he hadn't crashed and burned after American History X. I think he'd be an intense character actor like Ben Foster or Giovanni Ribisi. I really wanted to see Jimmy and Judy but I missed it. Detroit Rock City is highly underrated and Furlong was good in Animal Factory, Pecker and Little Odessa. Still can't really believe he was ever The Crow though. I don't know how they didn't stop after Mabius, but look at him now on Ugly Betty. With a little luck Furlong could be on Wisteria Lane in time for sweeps if this rumor never materializes.
at least this tb has a cloverfield related comment... by couP	Aug 26th, 2007 09:54:20 PM
to make it worth reading
Terminator without James Cameron involvement.... by Bobo_Vision	Aug 26th, 2007 09:58:06 PM
...is just your typical straight-to-video cyborg crap, but gets a theatrical run based on the title and relation to the previous characters. But this would be no better than the numerous crappy cyborg films out there. Maybe Jean Claude Van Damme will join the cast, and do some high kicks and shit. But don't get me wrong...I don't care if they make this movie.
Hey, never be ashamed to run cray rumors! by Mahaloth	Aug 26th, 2007 10:01:28 PM
It's what this site is based on, or at least it used to be.
......weird...... by The Dum Guy	Aug 26th, 2007 10:03:21 PM
I just had a conversation about this (Terminator 4) around 30 minutes ago, and was wondering what it would be like to see all four back-to-back. See Arnold change from decade to decade, and still supposedly be the same character. Thats what I don't get, how can robots age?
Am I the only one... by ShogunMaster	Aug 26th, 2007 10:11:53 PM
That thinks that Arnold isn't that important to the storyline? If they are going to humour T3, then we are in the future war (early stages) and the more advanced models won't be out for years to come anyway. There is a far greater story going on that doesn't necessitate Arnold's presence at all. It's just like the Alien series. Aliens had the return of Ripley and they made a story that worked with her return. Thereafter, we didn't need her. The Aliens are the stars of that series. And a surprise Terminator (infiltrator) is what the Terminator series should be about. We don't necessarily need Cameron, but we do need some good writers who are going to EXPAND the series, rather than rehash the same stuff we've seen multiple times already.
terminators sported artifical but biological 'skin' by ArcadianDS	Aug 26th, 2007 10:12:17 PM
seems to me that all living things age, and I would accept this as an explanation for the aging of the terminator - his bio-engineered skin (which bleeds like genuine human tissue, I might add), is no less aged by gravity and solar radiation than our own human skin - after all, it was designed to pass complex computer-run 'skin detecting' scanners. Thats the whole point of terminators - they had to have real(tm) skin to get beyond the human security perimiters. seriously people - just think a little.
I bet his agent spread this rumor cause Furlong hasn't by eggbeater	Aug 26th, 2007 10:13:52 PM
been do shit lately. I saw some made-for-tv scifi movie with him in it where he is trapped in some room screaming for help. It was very bad and very awkward.
Terminator 4? by Leafy McPlantsalot	Aug 26th, 2007 10:16:35 PM
Wouldn't they have to make a Terminator 3 first?
to: The Real MiraJeff by teamneedle	Aug 26th, 2007 10:22:05 PM
He is a burnt out has been. If he would really want to be in the movie as opposed to a pay check, then ok. But he needs some serious work. As of now, he is basically a child actor has been.
Leafy.... by gringostar	Aug 26th, 2007 10:23:49 PM
Ummm ok. It appears that you were more successful with trying to forget T3: Rise of the Machines than I was, which was part 3... If you were just trying to be funny, better luck next time.
terminator 3 and 4 by cornponious	Aug 26th, 2007 10:32:40 PM
are as good as highlander 2, 3, 4, etc. Suck it!
Furlong? by Fridge	Aug 26th, 2007 10:35:47 PM
I thought he was doing porn now? Oh, wait, no, that's the little kid from the Chucky movies. Has he contracted AIDS and died yet?
T4 COULD rock by tompiltoff	Aug 26th, 2007 10:38:19 PM
T3 was a rehash, but it was decent enough. It set us up directly for the future war. So there's a SLIGHT chance that with talented writers T4 could be a great flick.
EDWARD FURLONG?!? by Tal111	Aug 26th, 2007 10:41:46 PM
So now you're posting rumors from agents desperate to get their clients name out in the public? It ain't like anyone's champing at the bit to see this guy again. Not only are his fifteen minutes up I think he owes us a few back.
They'll rush this into production because of the STRIKE by godoffireinhell	Aug 26th, 2007 10:47:38 PM
You can bet on it. OK, so maybe it's not THAT rushed considering how long another sequel has been rumored (wasn't THE ROCK once supposed to replace Arnold in this?) but they'll still pull the trigger on whatever script they have any week now. You heard it here first, bitches!
Nick Stahl was better by Osmosis Jones	Aug 26th, 2007 10:52:55 PM
And he actually looked like he could be the son of Michael Biehn and Linda Hamilton. Honestly, two blonde people have a DARK-HAIRED son?!
Animal Factory by Donny Loggins	Aug 26th, 2007 10:53:05 PM
Is a super underrated movie.
two words: by frankenfickle	Aug 26th, 2007 10:53:49 PM
straight to video.
Bring back Michael Edwards as John Connor. by kabong	Aug 26th, 2007 10:56:21 PM
Saluted by the troops at the final battle. Scar. No dialogue. Iconic! That's filmmaking!
Pecker gotta eat? by INWOsuxRED	Aug 26th, 2007 10:59:39 PM
Maybe all the time travely muckety muck caused Conner to have different dads, thus two different John Connors. He messed with his past and that caused him to be cooler for a while, but eventually he did something to cause his mom to have sex with the "game over" guy again.
what!?!?! by kafka07	Aug 26th, 2007 11:08:06 PM
is furlong gonna save the human race? is he all rehabilitated and buff now? is john waters gonna direct? nope nope and nope.
wasn't the arnold rumor by INWOsuxRED	Aug 26th, 2007 11:09:36 PM
that he would get a digitally created cameo using old fotage and whatnot.. I agree with those above that suggested that Aliens are the stars of Aliens and that robot fighting is the stars of Terminator. Predator 2 really hurt the odds that studios will take a chance on the franchise without the star power. I think T3 would have been better if someone other than Arnold played the friendly robot, but I still liked that movie. T4 is certainly something I would wait till I saw a final product before judging one way or the other. A talented group could make a great T4. I thought I would hate T3, but I didn't. If I do hate T4, I'll still like the first three, so good luck T4 people(you're going to need it).
T4 rumor mill by dudemandude	Aug 26th, 2007 11:15:33 PM
The way I understand it is Arnold will not be in this film. In his absence the studio has approached Harry Knowles himself!! You heard correctly! Harry "balls" Knowles will be the "Friendly" Terminator this time around, saving Little Eddie's ass time and time again!
Will Harry roll in like a Droideka? by INWOsuxRED	Aug 26th, 2007 11:20:13 PM
For some reason I just don't see him doing his own stunts...or any physical activity at all.
I vote for The Rock as the new Terminator by Magic Rat	Aug 26th, 2007 11:25:27 PM
just me.
guys, it's so simple... by Maniaq	Aug 26th, 2007 11:25:39 PM
You don't need Arnie to make T4 - granted - although as somebody already mentioned, you try to make it without Jimmy Cameron and you're basically making a schlockfest direct to video Cyborg movie. Universal Soldier 2 anyone? The number of crappy DTV sequels to decent original films would be astounding to someone who might still be astounded by those sorts of things... Anyhow, the point I wanted to make was this - if you WANT Arnie to be in your Terminator sequel, but you're worried about his age showing - NO PROBLEMO! (couldn't resist, thanks Eddie!) You do the story (I think I seen it once as a comic book novel thingy?) where Arnie plays THE GUY they based the skinjob on... Some sort of hard-ass mercenary type - in fact, you wanna get slightly more interesting, you make him one of John Connor's closest generals - playing the introduction of the character to Johnnie for all the value you can possibly squeeze out of it! Like the guy said, the T-1000 is late, late, late, (in fact too late) late, late into the war - just before the end (unless you wanna start playing with the whole screw continuity thing) - so if you're gonna see that model it should really be at the end of the flick, not at the beginning...
I like Nick Stahl, personally. by Cotton McKnight	Aug 26th, 2007 11:27:07 PM
I haven't seen Edward Furlong act in awhile, obviously, but Nick Stahl did a good job.
I'm sorry James Cameron fans, but Terminator 3... by Cotton McKnight	Aug 26th, 2007 11:31:16 PM
gave LOGIC to the Terminator series. Before that movie, the Terminator universe was this abstract concept, where machines, run by something called "skynet" (no real depth in WHAT that was), take over the world. What Terminator 3 did was give this franchise some substance. Think about it- it killed off Sarah Connor, gave us a REAL judgment day, declared that it was absolutely inevitable, and used the freaking internet to fill some plot holes created by Cameron back in 84.
Sarah Connor pilot episode isn't bad, it has moments by TallBoy66	Aug 26th, 2007 11:32:18 PM
(Spoilers, natch) The Terminator/Teacher taking attendance, River-nator, and the time sphere opening up in the middle of a busy highway. Course, it dogfucks the continuity real hard. T3 doesn't happen and they time-travel almost a decade ahead to (non-Terminatored) 2007. A T4 movie would just really screw the continuity hard.
The Terminator Series... by TheGreenStyle	Aug 26th, 2007 11:33:28 PM
exists across no less than 3 alternate universes/timelines. That's the only way to fit T1, both versions of T2, T2:3D, T3, and The New Sara Connor Adventurs, together.
hmm... by LouisCedar	Aug 26th, 2007 11:33:59 PM
I'm not sure if a 4th terminator flick is necessary. But if they are going to make one, then I wouldn't mind seeing furlong back in his old role. Truthfully, I doubt this movie is going to be any good, BUT, maniaq's idea about making arnie play the dude that the original terminator was based on sounds very interesting.
At this point... by TheGreenStyle	Aug 26th, 2007 11:35:46 PM
Terminator 4 should be more of a "Crisis of the Infinite Earths" type story that deals seriously with how all the time-traveling is destabilizing the nature of time and putting the timeline in danger of total collapse.
Also they say "Goddamned" in the pilot episode by TallBoy66	Aug 26th, 2007 11:40:59 PM
Can you say "Goddamned" on TV now? On Fox? Anyone?
Terminator 4 by Wheel99	Aug 26th, 2007 11:45:26 PM
The Drug Wars
Ed Furlong by Boromir187	Aug 26th, 2007 11:54:39 PM
I wouldn't be surprised at all if he was in negotiations. Supposedly he was almost a lock for T3, on the stipulation that he clean up his act and not get arrested before or during production. Of course what does he do? He gets busted before he even signs the contract. So they moved on and ended up with Nick Stahl, who did a pretty damn good job as far as I am concerned. Speaking of Stahl, I believe he signed a two-film contract and so did Claire Danes. So if they aren't going to bring those two back then they're going to have to cash out those options and buy them off. Sounds like a waste to me. As much fun as it might be to see Furlong back in the role, they should just go ahead and bring Stahl/Danes back and be done with it. Otherwise they are paying off a solid actor (Stahl) in exchange for signing up one who hasn't been too reliable over the past decade or so (Furlong).
Cotton McKnight by one9deuce	Aug 26th, 2007 11:55:24 PM
I'm glad that you like TERMINATOR 3 so much, I guess somebody has to.
I vote for My Cock as the new Terminator by godoffireinhell	Aug 26th, 2007 11:58:19 PM
It's huge and hard as steel.
hmm by jsm1978	Aug 27th, 2007 12:00:08 AM
T3 wasn't too bad... and I did prefer Nick Stahl to Furlong. I don't like the idea of bringing him back, as I've never cared for him in anything I've seen him in.
Cotton on Cameron by Maniaq	Aug 27th, 2007 12:14:18 AM
erm.. you DO realise that T3 was still very much James Cameron powered, right? I agree there are some serious continuity issues and since the damn thing came out I've maintained that T2 was SOOOOOOOOO poorly written that is actually CREATED continuity issues with the first movie that weren't there before! So yes there are issues between the three films but I would place the blame directly and squarely and ENTIRELY on the second film...
Too soon? by dudemandude	Aug 27th, 2007 12:23:07 AM
ROFLMFAO! The dude tried to commit suicide and failed.. total loser.. guy has millions, a great career, beautiful chicks and ferrari's, cuban cigars, rolex's and mansions and it's still not good enough for him? fuck him, too bad he didn't succeed. how's that for "too soon?"
Who the hell by Purgatori	Aug 27th, 2007 12:31:02 AM
is John Connors? Is that Chuck's kid?
so...it takes place in the future and an altered past by s0nicdeathmonkey	Aug 27th, 2007 12:40:13 AM
I can see it working. The altered past of course being present day.
Edward Furlong IS John Connor. by wintocha67	Aug 27th, 2007 12:53:56 AM
I'll never think otherwise.
It ended with T2 by reflecto	Aug 27th, 2007 01:05:31 AM
They should've left it there. T3 was awful. If any other Terminator films were to be made, they should've been done in the style of the Dark Horse comics - new setting, new storyline, new characters. Don't fuck around with Judgement Day or any of that. The point of T2 was that was averted but there are always loopholes to play with in the meantime.
Terminator 3 never happened by CuervoJones	Aug 27th, 2007 01:07:53 AM
Just like Jaws sequels. I want to think that.
Great rumor and note to the T4 producer guys by ABking	Aug 27th, 2007 01:31:28 AM
Great rumor about Furlong returning, but it will end up being just a rumor anyways even though Furlong should come back. The producers of T4 are a bunch of fucking idiots if they think in their small brain that they don't need Governor Schwarzenegger involved with this production. They better wisen up and donate somthing to his term because they will need his muscle (term wise not literal) to get this sequel up and running. Better yet, those idiot producers should give the rights to the rightful owners...JAMES CAMERON & ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER. Wisen up you fucking pricks and get a clue...YOU NEED SCHWARZENEGGER!!!!
T3 by Playhouse	Aug 27th, 2007 01:45:37 AM
The only thing T3 really had going for it was its attempt to fix the continuity error of the destruction of the Terminators and chips in T2. Once that happened, the screen should've went to black since John Connor wouldn't have been created. Sarah would've gone on living her life as was. But they didn't blink out of existence and T3 did a decent attempt to explain why. It's debatable if it succeeded in that concept. As a movie, it was okay but fairly underwhelming. The decision to focus too much on the destruction of property (the decision to try to cram as many different vehicles into the story was pretty ridiculous) and rehash the struggle between the Terminators of T2 (despite the arbitrary gender switch) really hurt the potential of the movie. However, it was ballsy to actually submit that the war against humanity was inevitable. The final shots of the missles descending upon their targets was awing. The movie had that going for it. Personally, I think they should pull a Hulk and bring us a different version of T3's concept rather than try to continue. I don't mind that it's not Cameron's (though his take would be interesting to see), but I do hope that whoever writes the next installment gives us something both character-oriented and something fresh. Seeing the beginnings of the war and the infiltration of the human refugees by the Terminators I think would be much more exciting than seeing yet another time-travel story and two more Terms going at each other.
use the CGI trick from X3 by GavinVanDraven	Aug 27th, 2007 01:54:19 AM
remember "young" Prof X and Magneto? Arnie could do T4 in that way. or, perhaps they could make him totally CGI, and he would just have to read a few lines. perhaps while wearing a monkey outfit.
NO Way is this gonna happen by blondeman	Aug 27th, 2007 01:54:23 AM
SO they are going to do a movie and a TV show at the same time? I doubt it. The producers of the TV show made fun of T3 and said that they in no way intend to treat it as canon. I'd guess that if they had any idea that a direct sequal to T3 was gonna take place they would have forced the TV producers to either wait until after T4 started to do their show or they would at least force them to follow the story of T3. That said IF they do actually make a T4, i really really hope they get Nick Stahl to play John because switching back to Furlong would mean that these turds would have something in common in T2 - and we can't have that. I like to think that the Terminator Franchise ended with T2
My idea to improve on Terminator 3 by redfist	Aug 27th, 2007 01:55:54 AM
Nick Stahl was awesome as John Connor. This was a guy that has the weight of the world on his shoulder and it shows. However in T3, the part that I didnt like was that he was living like a bum to stay off the grid, I would have like it better that Connor was a hacker, hiding in a basement and hacking site to make sure that skynet would never happen and keeping his identity hidden. That he has to install a virus into a Dept of Defense computer to kill a new improved skynet project and that is what causes skynet to become self-aware.™
Continuity? Are you serious? by aceattorney	Aug 27th, 2007 02:12:13 AM
How can you expect continuity for a story that was not expected to continue after each sequel?
T3 by And Nicolas Cage as Fu Manchu	Aug 27th, 2007 02:58:06 AM
Is it just me or did anyone else find the T-X breast enlargement scene extremely tacky? They should have just gone with it all the way and made her an Austin Powers style fembot complete with machine gun nipples. Also, the best part of the movie was the finger hovering over the 'Y' key prior to the activation of Skynet. Suspense!!!! Oh well, while I really wanted Arnold's last film to be Conan 3, at least his last movie isn't fucking Collateral Damage. I guess we can at least thank T3 for that...
come on AICN.... by therightclique	Aug 27th, 2007 03:37:10 AM
this is extremely old news. what the hell is going on with this site?
Robert Patrick by Ray Gamma	Aug 27th, 2007 03:43:07 AM
Robert Patrick completely outshone Arnie in T2 anyway, giving extra weight to the argument that a new Terminator movie doesn't need to have the agin man-mountain in it at all. I for one would be really happy to see Furlong back in the role as John Connor because Furlong has a sort of sleazy charm. They should make the fourth movie set in the future war, but bring in some bizarre time-paradox stuff (an opportunity that was almost completely wasted in T3).
I say we get Rob Zombie to direct T4... by palimpsest	Aug 27th, 2007 03:49:07 AM
...Sheri Moon Zombie as The Terminator, anyone? And wasn't Arnie's last movie AROUND THE WORLD IN 80 DAYS? Anyone know the alleged plotline of T4? I always thought that the logical™ next movie would be a "get John Connor and Kyle Reese to the time machine" movie. Nathan Fillion for John Connor, y'all.
T3 would have been so much better if.. by DirkD13"	Aug 27th, 2007 04:23:45 AM
..they had dropped about 80% of the supposed comedy, upped the rating to an 'R' (15), shown us Loken's titties, given John Connor his scar and kept Brad Fiedel. There is allot of good in the film amongst the crap though.
please explain by smackfu	Aug 27th, 2007 05:40:10 AM
how having a different actor play a role affects continuity?
T3 was a great (on the small screen) by datachasm	Aug 27th, 2007 06:00:57 AM
but it didnt feel all that great for the silver screen. gone was all the profound ideas. it was fucking lame they wouldnt let Furlong in it because he failed a drug test. who got him this gig? Manpower?
How does this fuck with continuity,... by jfp2007	Aug 27th, 2007 06:13:28 AM
....when he played the fucking character in T2? T3 recasting him is what screwed the continuity, so Furlong coming back rights a tragic wrong.
Nick Stahl was too light-hearted in T3 by Zino	Aug 27th, 2007 06:18:30 AM
John Connor is supposed to have the weight of the world on his shoulders. The producers of T3 really missed a trick not re-casting Edward Furlong, as his off-screen problems would have really fit nicely with John Connor's character - burnt out, on the edge, paranoid.
Mel Gibson's Terminator 4: Apocalypto Day by Spandau Belly	Aug 27th, 2007 07:10:13 AM
In Igbo with English subtitles, and with more Guns 'n Roses on the soundtrack like the second one.
T3 was fanfic by CuervoJones	Aug 27th, 2007 07:16:34 AM
Not a real Terminator movie. You need Jim Cameron for that.
F*CK continuity by ATARI	Aug 27th, 2007 07:37:21 AM
I just want a Terminator movie set in the future with lots of gaint robots hunting down humans.
TERMINATOR 4: DIAMONDS ARE by ImFixingtoDie	Aug 27th, 2007 07:44:18 AM
TERMINATOR 4: DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER
Terminator 4: The Prequel Menace by Diagnostic	Aug 27th, 2007 08:21:48 AM
Na.... That's way to crazy stooopid.
It wasn't that it was inevitable was it? by Lutz	Aug 27th, 2007 08:34:06 AM
I thought the idea in T3 was the big event that was supposed to happen the next day - John Conner meeting Clair Danes - changed the future before they destroyed the machines? This pushed it back ten years.
Please, no Furlong. by Mosquito March	Aug 27th, 2007 08:40:49 AM
The fucker still looks and sounds like a little kid.
T3 was a piece of shit by Neo Zeed	Aug 27th, 2007 08:53:56 AM
T3 a cool ending, but it was proceeded by 100 minutes of shit.
So going the direct to DVD route by theheavy	Aug 27th, 2007 08:59:09 AM
Edward Furlong is the last person I would care to have back in T4,...in that case lets bring back Michael Biehn as an alternate future REESE,...and how bout Lance Henriksen and then go a step farther and really bring back a CGI Paul Winfeild,....Furlong and Lance could find him and Walter Koenig in a storage box,...the Terminator put things in their ears and Walter could tell Furlong to "soowender da whessel".... Now thats a Fuckin Movie
T3 was utter crap by Movietool	Aug 27th, 2007 09:29:13 AM
Just had to say it. I hate myself for watching that movie. "Hey, I know - let's take evey last bit of continuity from the previous two movies and take an anormous crap all over them - just like Alien 3!"
Why do all theT-800's look like Arnie? by ChrisVenom	Aug 27th, 2007 09:35:56 AM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=FuP IDa0QuEM
Movietool by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks	Aug 27th, 2007 10:19:46 AM
Alien3 is pure art compared to resurrection. Now that is T3 worthy.
nick stahl was a great john connor by batmanthehorse	Aug 27th, 2007 10:19:46 AM
edward furlong is a fat asshole.
yeah, Terminator 3 = Alien 4 by Spandau Belly	Aug 27th, 2007 10:32:31 AM
Both of these movies are totally unneccesary and go against everything in the previous installments and feel more like misconcieved remakes than actual parts of their respective series. That being said, I actually found some entertainment value in both of these films. But they still shouldn't have been made. I think the filmmakers of T3 and A4 should've just made new films inspired by these other series. I mean a new movie about a boy trying to stop the end of the world with the aid of a robot wouldn't be that hard to do. And it would be really easy to do a new movie about a bunch people on a spaceship trying to get away from a monster.
Actually, T3 is more in line with Terminator... by Christopher3	Aug 27th, 2007 10:36:01 AM
It's T2 that's the outlier, at least in the thematic sense. Terminator = Your destiny's inevitable, suck up and prepare. T2 = Future's not set, go ahead and change things. T3 = Your destiny's inevitable, suck up and prepare.
Twist ending: Furlong is the Terminator. by Stalin vs Predator	Aug 27th, 2007 10:38:42 AM
He has been a cyborg all along. Hey, who gives a shit about established characters, continuity, or sense and logic? Twist "shocking" endings are the way to go!
By the way, anyone seen his contract? by Stalin vs Predator	Aug 27th, 2007 10:40:09 AM
Just wondering how many kilos Furlong will be getting for the role. Or maybe it's only grams these days?
What is it with Fanboys and this shouldnt of been made by bongo123	Aug 27th, 2007 10:40:48 AM
shite that you always come of with?? i mean seriously what the fuck does the studio or filmguys owe you? its a fucking business not a private enterprise set up to keep you and your fucking nerd friends happy. So what if they make AVP6 or aliens 22 or fucking terminator 8, who the fuck cares!? you still have the classics, and this way you can get to see more of the same shit that you actually like, granted its never going to be the same as the originals but so fuck, i like seeing aliens run amoke, fuck they can keep doing it till the fuckers pop up in wysteria lane for all i care
John Connor has to be feminized. by kabong	Aug 27th, 2007 10:41:50 AM
He must not be tough-looking. He has to be a kid like Furlong was, or soft and weak like Stahl was. Or a high-school goof. It's all part of the plan. http://tinyurl.com/3dbpnb
He'll need to hit the gym first... by Lilana	Aug 27th, 2007 11:06:07 AM
and clean up. Furlong isn't looking his best these days: http://tinyurl.com/34khgq He was good in American History X, so I hope this rumour is true.
ex junked up John Connor would rule by liljuniorbrown	Aug 27th, 2007 11:16:44 AM
I want the begging stages of the war with the machines. Have Eddie Furlong crawling out of the bunker /cave with Claire Danes and child to lead his army
who cares man by wilsonfisk89	Aug 27th, 2007 11:16:59 AM
really T3 was a sad mess. there was/is no need. T2 was a perfect ending
Edward vs. Nick 2: Requiem by Roderich	Aug 27th, 2007 11:19:37 AM
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Why T2 was NOT the perfect ending - by performingmonkey	Aug 27th, 2007 11:43:44 AM
When they destroy Dyson's work, throw the chip and arm into the fire, therefore stopping the development of the tech and thus Judgement Day and the war, that would mean that T1 never happened. I mean...as if the idea that Reese was John's father wasn't crazy enough, they had to mess it up even further. In T3, by saying that Judgement Day was always going to happen, that finding the tech from the first Terminator just sped up the process, they corrected a lot of the bullshit plot details. It's still impossible that Reese was John's father though, but it's something we just have to accept!
Jake Lloyd as John Connor by wash	Aug 27th, 2007 11:48:42 AM
Dude looks like a freaking mongoloid in his Wikipedia picture.
Re: bongo123, what I am owed. by Spandau Belly	Aug 27th, 2007 11:55:42 AM
I understand what you're saying in that you don't feel movie studios owe us anything because they only want profit and money and cash and stuff like dollars and moolah and funds etc. But wouldn't the better way to do that be to produce a quality product? And maybe you haven't noticed, but the news and talkbacks here are generally focussed on artisitc merit. Since you feel the studios do not owe us a quality film, why do you feel you owe the studios a defence or their corporate strategy? Maybe you're some stock broker guy or some studio exec, in which case, I might suggest you chat on some Wall Street forum where they talk more about bling-bling and da cold hard cash and dead presidents and greenbacks. I would also caution you against seeing the film 'The Color of Money', though it might sound like something you'd like it's actually about billiards.
Cameron by kwisatzhaderach	Aug 27th, 2007 11:58:38 AM
Just watched Terminator 2 for the first time in about 7 years, it's still fuckin' awesome. Puts the blockbusters of today to shame. Terminator 3 was a joke, it looked like a TV movie. There was no intelligence behind it. Face it, the Terminator series is dead. We got two classic movies. Now bring on Avatar Jimbo!!!!!
Terminator 4:Sgt. Candy Unleashed by damagedinc	Aug 27th, 2007 12:00:06 PM
Sgt. Candy deleted scene in T3=greatest lost moment in Terminator 3. That they were probably dead on serious with including it makes it even better.
Sgt. Candy link by damagedinc	Aug 27th, 2007 12:03:14 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =FuPIDa0QuEM (remove spaces)
Sgt. Candy by RokurGepta	Aug 27th, 2007 12:37:23 PM
Totally fucking hilarious. I'd forgotten about that scene... on another note, how did Kristinna fucking Loken get cast in T3, my fucking sidewalk has more raw talent than that bitch. I'm so glad painkiller jane was canceled
Actually, those would be redneck robots... by Stalin vs Predator	Aug 27th, 2007 12:42:03 PM
...if Zombie was given a Terminator remake.
This might be a case... by HellKing	Aug 27th, 2007 12:44:49 PM
of his agent throwing his name out there. It's basically standard tactic these days of agent who want to get their clients jobs.
Furlong's career is as dead as Bill Paxton in T1 by Faust_8	Aug 27th, 2007 12:50:59 PM
Oh yeah, he'd give his right nut to land a big role like this. Maybe if he could stay out of the gutter long enough to shoot it. Asshole, I had hopes after American History X.
I don't see Furlong as an adult John Connor by TVguy4566	Aug 27th, 2007 01:06:21 PM
I didn't by Nick Stahl either. I think both have had great acting roles, but I just can't see either as the guy who saves humanity by leading an army to destroy the machines. I enjoyed T3 for what it was, but I never once believed that Stahl's character showed any signs of being a great leader. From what I have read about where T4 is going, they are better off going with a slightly older (late 30's/early 40s) and more charmismatic actor. A Gerald Butler type actor would be better suited. As for Arnold, I think his inclusion in T4 would be more of a distraction than anything else. I mean why did they even need dogs in the future to sniff out terminator units if they all looked like Arnold?
They dont all look like Arnold.... by Judge Dredds Dirty Undies	Aug 27th, 2007 01:18:16 PM
There are other models but the one in T3 got sent back because of Johns attachment to the one in T2. Why did they send an Arnold one in T2? I guess that is all they had left in skynets munitions cabinet.
REmember the movie Screamers by RokurGepta	Aug 27th, 2007 01:28:22 PM
terrrible movie, but based on a nifty book
if I voted for MY cock as the new Terminator ... by Boris Baddenov	Aug 27th, 2007 01:36:32 PM
He'd have to go by a pornstar moniker: STUBBY WADD !!!
Did MiraJeff say Detroit Rock City was underrated? by MetiphisLabs	Aug 27th, 2007 02:50:46 PM
... How much terrible writing and acting do you need before you acknowledge that a movie is awful?
sigh Furlong..... by riddleman1674	Aug 27th, 2007 03:10:44 PM
Worked wonders for The Crow series! Fuck it, let him back and have a go at the next Terminator movie. Hell, while we're at it, let's let him take over for Maguire as the next Peter Parker, or even better, or how about a 12 year old Tony Montana with long greasy hair in a Scarface "reimagined" remake, or how about a cracked out Bilbo Baggins for the next Jacksonless Hobbit installment! way to go Hollywood fuckheads. Keep the hits coming!
sigh Furlong..... by riddleman1674	Aug 27th, 2007 03:11:27 PM
Worked wonders for The Crow series! Fuck it, let him back and have a go at the next Terminator movie. Hell, while we're at it, let's let him take over for Maguire as the next Peter Parker, or even better, or how about a 12 year old Tony Montana with long greasy hair in a Scarface "reimagined" remake, or how about a cracked out Bilbo Baggins for the next Jacksonless Hobbit installment! way to go Hollywood fuckheads. Keep the hits coming!
Christopher3, uh.....no. by one9deuce	Aug 27th, 2007 03:38:32 PM
TERMINATOR 2: JUDGMENT DAY is more in line with THE TERMINATOR. TERMINATOR = Masterpiece, T2 = Masterpiece, TERMINATOR 3: RISE OF THE MACHINES = Huge budget direct to DVD quality movie. That's what happens when a genius like James Cameron isn't behind the camera and a very journeyman-like director like Jonathan Mostow is brought in to direct.
The reason T3 had a huge budget... by Judge Dredds Dirty Undies	Aug 27th, 2007 04:01:41 PM
was because of all the rights negotiations. I doubt more than a hundred mil ended up on screen. I think Mostow did a reasonable job shame it wasnt rated R and had a bit less comedy.
Furlong rocks. Elton John glasses on Arnie, not so much by TheNorthlander	Aug 27th, 2007 04:10:36 PM
That's all I can remember from T3. If they do a "Highlander 3" here and forget the last one even exists, I'm a happy man. It needs a good director though. Richard Donner? John McTiernan? Paul Veerhoven? John Carpenter? Jan De Bont?
I LOVED TERMINATOR 3 by Kurzinski Valentine	Aug 27th, 2007 04:19:23 PM
...i'm serious.
I just watched that Sgt.Candy thing by Kurzinski Valentine	Aug 27th, 2007 04:31:53 PM
AND NOW I HATE TERMINATOR 3
Just watched that Sgt.Candy thing too. by TheNorthlander	Aug 27th, 2007 04:40:10 PM
Actually, that was VERY Paul Veerhoven. RoboCop, Total Recall and Starship Troopers all had similar scenes.
I enjoyed the hell out of T3... rewatched it recently by Daddylonghead	Aug 27th, 2007 04:49:42 PM
still a really great fucking action movie, miles ahead of most. I rewatched it along with the MST3K guys' "rifftrax," which further enhanced the fun. (I am not an employee etc. of rifftrax, I'm just plugging them because I like their product)
Wow, Sgt Candy is definitely no good at all. by Daddylonghead	Aug 27th, 2007 04:54:19 PM
That killed my T3 buzz.
there has NEVER been continuity in Terminator by eudofarkencrog	Aug 27th, 2007 05:03:59 PM
in the first Terminator, they specifically set up the whole "everything is set" time loop in which everything happens that is meant to happen (more of a "fate" type of time travel story, where you can't change the past). And if you ever read the book you would find out that the only reason cyberdine started up was because they found the Arnie arm in the plant where Sarah terminated him at the end of the first series. A few years later, and Arnie wants to start doing good guy roles, and James Cameron wants to bastardise his own story by making a film that follows the precepts of "if the story is shit, just add heaps of great special effects" and the abortions that are known as the Terminator sequels are made to one of the all time great sci-fi films. Forget the fact that in the first film Reese says that after they went through, they smashed the time travel device, and that sending Arnie back was the machines only gambit. Forget that in the first film you couldn't change time, but suddenly you could in the sequels. The Terminator sequels have always been examples of the typical hollywood bullshit of just throw heaps of money at a film with a big name star and big special effects and people will forgive that the story sucks. I resented the money I paid for the electricity to drive my dvd player to watch T3.
I'd take Nick Stahl over Edward Furlong anyday by robzass	Aug 27th, 2007 05:14:33 PM
As far as acting is concerned.
theycallmemrglass by theycallmemrglass	Aug 27th, 2007 05:17:35 PM
Has anyone seen New Captain Scarlet? I stumbled on it while off sick from work on childrens TV hour and it knocks the bloody socks off any recent "futuristic" movies out of the park. This series kicks some serious ass. It trounces on T3, Matrix 3 etc. I cant believe I am saying this about a half hour CGI cartoon but seriously check this series out. I see it on UK tv but I'm sure it must be on the US network too. As for T3, dont diss on it guys. It aint half as great as T1/T2 but its still enjoyable.
New Captain Scarlet kicks some Terminator's ass by theycallmemrglass	Aug 27th, 2007 05:21:08 PM
I gota bad habit of typing my username in the subject heading - dunno why I do it, anyway I refer to my above post
How 'bout a SMART Terminator this time? by WX1	Aug 27th, 2007 05:47:18 PM
I mean, when does Skynet (by the way, I'm trying to find that cool Skynet T-shirt -- pls. tell where to find, anyboty; thanks!) plan on coming up with SOME kind of mech/robot/latest thingee/made of uber metals and bestestest robotics/organics/boarding on sorcery by now to actually GET Sarah Conner I mean, frick, a model BEFORE Ahnold should have gotten her -- hello? Steal some TNT or C4, go up Conner's house and, voila, suicide bomber? Gas attack? 'Stead o' this Uzi, riot shotgun, handgun, bang, bang, bang stylins'. 'Smatter, the tactics of terrorists never managed to trickle down to 2029? Skynet manages to equip their 'bots to gain specs from motorcycles, ability to size up humans for their clothes, manage to give human-like flesh to their 'bots (even "bad breath, sweat," whatever) all the way up to liquid metal, all of 'em with military tactics save for what the rest of us manage to read in the paper or watch on the news at the end of the day alla' time?!?!? The Terminator franchise is at the end o' their tracks. Start this next film with Sarah C. dead . . . then 'splain how she, and essentially John Conner, comes back from that.
Terminator 3 should have been... by theyreflockingthisway	Aug 27th, 2007 05:49:32 PM
About Kyle Reese in the future war (played by Michael Beihn - he's a bit older than he was but nothing a bit of make-up couldn't fix). The Terminator's could have identified him as the father of John Connor and and target him for termination in the future before he even goes back. How awesome would it be for every Terminator in the future suddenly go to target one man. His human protector is none other than John Connor himself. I did enjoy the Terminator 3 we got, though - wasn't up to par with the first two, but was still kind of fun.
straight to DVD!!!!!!..........VHS......... by foad	Aug 27th, 2007 06:44:48 PM
Who cares √
I think all Terminator continuity problems... by hank henshaw	Aug 27th, 2007 06:52:12 PM
I think all Terminator continuity problems were perfectly explained in Back to the Future Part II. You see when they destroyed Dyson's work and the chip in T2, they simply jumped to a different parallel timeline, which explains how Reese could still come back in time and be John's father. Dr. Brown and Marty, they could stop Skynet better than anyone.
while i don't doubt the genuis of back to the future... by eudofarkencrog	Aug 27th, 2007 07:03:30 PM
there could not be any parallel timelines in terminator because it was a different time travel reasoning. In back to the future films, you could change time and have different timelines, but in the first film, they established that Reese had to fall in love with sarah (after being given the photo of her that was taken when she was thinking about him at the end of the first film) in order to volunteer to go go back in time to save her, so that john could be born. It waqs a set destiny thing. this all changed in the sequels when they introduced the whole parallel timeline crap. (I totally agree, though, the best people to go up against arnie in the sequels would have been Doc Brown and Marty, though Homer could have done it just as well)
It's TOTAL a bullshit rumor. by Joey_Redballs	Aug 27th, 2007 07:41:19 PM
A college friend of mine worked on a B movie starring Eddie Furlong. What he found out from the horse's mouth is the reason why Eddie Furlong wasn't in T3, and no doubt the reason why he's been doing nothing but B movies as of late. As you may know, Furlong has a problem with drinking granpa's old cough medicine. On this particularly irresponsible set, the producers & actors drank away the budget each night. My friend sat next to a drunk Eddie Furlong and mentioned how disappointed he felt that Eddie was not in T3. Furlong said that the studio wanted him, and he definitely wanted to do it for the phat cash. The problem was that the Insurance Company insuring the movie said that Furlong was too much of an insurance risk because of his nutty alcohol shenanigans. The Insurance Company wanted to charge a CRAZY-stupid premium (cost lots of $$$) to insure the movie because Furlong is a high risk. Warner Bros said FUK-DAT! then broke the news to Furlong that they wanted him but couldn't have him. I guess it was a smart move by the Insurance Company because on that SAME B movie set, Furlong had an expensive incident. They couldn't find him! All morning, everyone on set was looking for Eddie Furlong. No one could find him. Finally they found Furlong, not in his trailer, but in the trailer of another actor. He was passed out in the bathroom with the door closed, so no one found him upon their initial search of that trailer. P.S. In Eddie's defense, my friend did also say that Furlong was a really cool, nice guy. If only he could overcome his demons, but then again, how many Hollywood stars ever do overcome their demons? P.P.S. Terminator 4 will no doubt suck no matter who plays John Connor. Stop beating that dead horse already. The Sarah Connor Chronicles will be the next Birds of Prey.
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pretty much yeah-if that had been in Zombies Halloween I would be first in line!
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so AICN is even stealing CHUDs headlines now? by the_shogun_gunslinger	Aug 27th, 2007 09:35:54 PM
not the just the scoops?...wow
Dirty Undies... by Osmosis Jones	Aug 27th, 2007 10:05:41 PM
T3 was rated R.
Wow, that Sgt. Candy thing was absolutely terrible. by Cotton McKnight	Aug 27th, 2007 11:21:56 PM
I thought "okay this is harmless" until Arnold shows up, then it went to Hell. What was that anyway? An outtake? Something that was really going to be in the movie?
well scratch that... by Cotton McKnight	Aug 27th, 2007 11:25:13 PM
If they had played it straight, it would have been actually really cool. But that whole accent thing not only ruins the scene, it comes dangerously close to making me rethink Terminator 3. I still love it, but the fact that someone on that project thought that was funny gives me pause.
If this is true, there's only one REAL question... by RetroActive	Aug 28th, 2007 01:33:58 AM
In the scene when Furlong has to fight his way out of that paper bag, how long will it take before he suffocates?! This guy, leader of the resistance? Please. I still remember his crackly voice in T2, "I order you...I ORDER you, mwaaaah!" No wonder Arnie had to self terminate. Wouldn't you?!!
Can they go back in time by LittleDudes	Aug 28th, 2007 01:58:50 AM
To stop Terminator 3 from being made? I actually loved it when it came out but after repeat viewings it just felt... dry. Some cool ideas in there, but it's a horrible film. And fuck that bullshit score. I'll be excited only when they announce Fiedel's return.
Edward Furlong=Repressed Homosexual by Poloboy	Aug 28th, 2007 03:17:26 AM
Not believable at all as a tough guy. Droopy/sleepy eyes, wimpy/limp hair, smart ass smirk. Couldn't beat up an 89-year old woman in a wheelchair, and he is supposed to save humanity? Please replace him in Terminator 4.
Also... by FILMFUNK	Aug 28th, 2007 03:47:33 AM
Just heard also Arnold Swartzenegger is set to make a small cameo as the ageing designer of the Terminators, the reason they all look like him. Sounds cool but didn't they already do something like that with Lance Henrikson and the android character from Aliens!?
I missed T3 by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks	Aug 28th, 2007 04:12:43 AM
No Brad Fiedel or James Cameron=No Terminator 3 for me.
Seriously hav'nt seen it by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks	Aug 28th, 2007 04:15:25 AM
Last Arnie movie I watched was Collateral Damage. I swore to myself that I would never again waste my money on Arnie unless he was with Cameron ,Verhoevven, or McTiernan. Everyone else just sucks.
Osmosis Jones.. by Judge Dredds Dirty Undies	Aug 28th, 2007 04:38:07 AM
Ah right I forgot that, very bizarre! It was only rated 12 in the UK whereas T1 and T2 are rated 15 (T1 was also originally rated 18).
Just saw the Transformers '86 movie by Abominable Snowcone	Aug 28th, 2007 07:49:39 AM
You know, the old animated movie. I was a bit too old for it then, but I downloaded it for the kids. Boy, the music is freakin' gay, as in, cheesy. A lot of the synth stuff seems very dated. It was done by Vince Decola, who I believe did the memorable keyboard anthems from Rocky IV. But the movie also has cheesy generic 80s rock music (with faux metal vocals) running throughout, where it seems completely inappropriate. It's like watching a movie and someone has some random shit playing on a boombox in an adjacent room. As for Terminator, someone just please point me the way to some photos of Loken sans clothes.
There's a ton of time travel information by Abominable Snowcone	Aug 28th, 2007 07:55:32 AM
online. So much it'll make your head spin, what with grandfather paradoxes, ontological paradoxes, cause-result conondrums, loop paradoxes, etc. http://www.cix.co.uk/~antcom/w elcome.html
Lokenn should have been naked much more in T3 by Faust_8	Aug 28th, 2007 10:42:23 AM
Come on, in T1 we see Arnold's schlong flapping in the breeze as he's walking. Do we even get to see some boobs in T3, NO !!! I don't remember if we even got an ass shot, I just remember being disappointed.
T3 didn't exactly fix continuity by Goody2shoes	Aug 28th, 2007 10:48:05 AM
I don't get all the posts that saying it fixed what T2 supposedly screwed up. Granted, when I saw it as a kid, my initial reaction was that everything should've reset itself if they succeeded. But my junior high mind rationalized that perhaps they didn't stop the war after all. It still happened, and the details of how are left to the imagination. All T3 did was strip any imagination one might of had as to how it took place which, in all fairness, was a good attempt. But yet another upgraded Terminator? Perhaps if it had used the T-X during the war, it wouldn't need to go back in time. Being the geek that I was/am, I got the T2 script when it first came out. John was going to blow the time machine facility, just as soon as he sent another Terminator back. He was going off memory. In T3, the Terminator kills him in the future by playing off his memories. So apparently in the future he didn't have any memories of a second Terminator. Yeah, that makes sense. Also, someone in the talkback mentioned something from the original Terminator novel as grounds for saying T2 messed up continuity. Again, being a huge T2 freak back in the day, I got that novel (even got in trouble in English class for reading it instead of Silas Marner, but I digress). In it, it states Sarah's age as being 19 in 1984. This tracks with T2 when Silberman gives her age 29 while showing a bunch of doctors around. In T3, the plaque on Sarah's grave state's her birth year as 1959, which would've made her 25 in 1984. By nature, sequels to time travel movies will contradict themselves, so it's kind of pointless to say "this one rights the wrongs of that one". I didn't hate T3, but in my opinion it's just an action movie, not a Terminator movie. It's missing the heart of the other two.
Abom, don't forget about the replign machine on AICN by finky089	Aug 28th, 2007 10:50:17 AM
plus, Orcus "time travels" through AICN talkbacks all the time. ;)
Mr. Snowcone, perhaps these can tide you over by Puddleglum	Aug 28th, 2007 11:02:32 AM
http://tinyurl.com/28hwh2 Oh, you want THAT Loken. my bad. try these. It's not completely sans ropa, but enough to get the juices flowing: http://tinyurl.com/27uuho http://tinyurl.com/3y7w6t http://tinyurl.com/23oasb
T3 was an ass sandwich by Saluki	Aug 28th, 2007 12:12:58 PM
Made of poo! The worst July 4th movies ever.
Sgt. Candy was brilliant. by future help	Aug 28th, 2007 04:07:53 PM
really funny and clever. Should of kept it in the movie.
Wouldn't all T100 look the same by Sesquiped	Aug 28th, 2007 08:11:10 PM
It has been demonstrated that peoples' looks are largely based on their skeletal structure. This has been demonstrated in the recreation of faces on the skeletons of badly decomposd bodies (yum) and with ancient man, monkey, and what have you. Presumably all T100 have the same metal skeleton and should therefore look about the same no mater what unfortunate jerk hat their skin ripped off to supply the covering. Therefore there should be an army of Arnies. All digital of course sine I think computers could probably act like him better.
The Terminator movie are overrated. by Midol Boy	Aug 29th, 2007 01:35:22 AM
There like popcorn. Delicious, but no substance.
T1>T3>T2 by misnomer	Aug 29th, 2007 01:10:42 PM
as long as theres no good terminators and kids in it, I'm fine with it. they should have stopped after the first one....
T4 news from IGN: by TheButcher	Sep 26th, 2007 10:10:55 AM
http://tinyurl.com/3abjvn
interesting TheButcher...I think by just pillow talk	Sep 26th, 2007 11:02:19 AM
A very curious choice to kind of branch off from the Conners main storyline. A total of 3 new movies? Not sure how I feel about the direction, and it would be strange to see a Terminator movie without Arnold.

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