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So, what exactly is Michael Bay doing with TRANSFORMERS 2?

First? by Brachus12	Aug 22nd, 2007 10:03:52 AM
first?
It should be consumer driven anyway... by KillaKane	Aug 22nd, 2007 10:06:13 AM
Price, choice, longevity and fidelity that's what most punters would ultimately consider.
oh well, hopefully he'll make a better sequel by Jubba	Aug 22nd, 2007 10:07:42 AM
that's all i'm really hoping for at this point
Hmmmm by Gwai Lo	Aug 22nd, 2007 10:07:49 AM
I'll just keep buying regular DVDs until a new format comes along to replace HD/Blu Ray, or until one side wins the battle. No one wants to end up with Betamax or a Sega Dreamcast. Good thing I won't be buying Transformers on any format anyway.
It's all about what porn looks best on by vanfan	Aug 22nd, 2007 10:08:40 AM
Thats what it'll come down to, what the porn companies decide to go with. They sell more dvd's than the rest of the market combined.
W00T! by Brachus12	Aug 22nd, 2007 10:09:23 AM
I still havent seen it yet. I'll wait for it on BLU RAY.
Transformers 2 by darrenspool	Aug 22nd, 2007 10:09:24 AM
Dear god, bring on Grimlock!
Michael Old Bay, Used For Opossum by SoylentMean	Aug 22nd, 2007 10:09:54 AM
It'sa Spicy!
I don't get how anyone actually buys porn by Gwai Lo	Aug 22nd, 2007 10:10:01 AM
I have downloaded gigs upon gigs of quality shit and I've never paid a dime. And porn is expensive as hell and has a really short replay value, so why do people buy it?
Grimlock by TheNothing	Aug 22nd, 2007 10:11:20 AM
Hell yes!
Wall-E by Chanoc	Aug 22nd, 2007 10:11:40 AM
Next year, when Disney-Pixar pull out a Blu-Ray only Wall-E DVD, you´ll be very glad to have gone with that format. Transformers, beh!
Turd Furgeson picks Beta Max and here's why by Turd Furgeson	Aug 22nd, 2007 10:11:44 AM
Cause certain things need to come back, like big bush and beta max... afro's and bell bottoms.... Cotter and JJ....
Bay is an Idiot- and Transformers sucked. by Thylacine	Aug 22nd, 2007 10:14:06 AM
Nuff said.
Uh...the market IS choosing by Dannychico	Aug 22nd, 2007 10:14:28 AM
It's just that the market is a complex bitch that can be manipulated by closed-door money exchanges.
why would I spend my money when the jury's still out? by Lance Rock	Aug 22nd, 2007 10:14:49 AM
call me when it's over...
Drunk, more likely. by Gorrister	Aug 22nd, 2007 10:15:40 AM
I know from first-hand experience that 'dinner' with people in the entertainment business really means 'drinks'.
TRANSFORMERS 2: FORMAT WARS by Premiere Warlord Bush	Aug 22nd, 2007 10:16:47 AM
Blu-Ray players everywhere are suddenly revealed to be Decepticons in disguise, and thusly are able to kill the majority of humanity and punch Shia Labeouf in the crotch.
In a perfect world . . . by GreatWhite	Aug 22nd, 2007 10:17:29 AM
There would be no Michael Bay Transformers movie, either 1 or 2. And after reading his comments -- Jesus, what a flake.
Great, another format war TB... by Abin Sur	Aug 22nd, 2007 10:19:12 AM
Blu-Ray/HD-DVD and Superbad are like 90% of this site right now - very diverse, guys!
He should direct a movie where raptors are on the loose by INWOsuxRED	Aug 22nd, 2007 10:19:42 AM
attacking humans! I'VE NEVER SEEN THAT BEFORE! Then he should release it on miniHD tapes to screw over everyone.
COCAINE IS A HELL OF A DRUG. by JusticeSabre	Aug 22nd, 2007 10:19:54 AM
The studio should drop his monkey ass for that stunt.
this really should be a neutral thing by Bloo	Aug 22nd, 2007 10:21:12 AM
But if I was a consipiary theorist and I am a little bit of one, I would guess that HD-DVD and Blue-Ray are stricking these "exclusive" deals so that people will buy both players. Think about this for a moment, Family of 4 say a 10 y/o, a 17 y/o, Mom and Dad. They have a high-def television so they want a hi-def player, now sister wants to watch High School Musical 2, a Disney product, so you have a plus for Blue Ray, however Jr wants Transformers wich is a plus for HDDVD, dad wants movies that are exclusive in both formats, and Mom doesn't understand why they had to switch anyways, what was wrong with VHS I'm being facetious of course but I think that is what we're going to see either a)people like me who are holding back for a high def tv, and a clear winner, or b)going to buy both players so they can watch their favorite movies that are exclusive to one player maybe I'm just parnoid but it does seem like something those corporte greedy execs would think up
Drunk? by tehgreekhammer	Aug 22nd, 2007 10:21:30 AM
More like coming out of an allnight bender of Coke, small filipino boys, and tanning lotion. Too bad hes not off of Transformers. There was hope there for the slightest of moments. ahhh well.
Strange thing about Michael Bay movies by Gorrister	Aug 22nd, 2007 10:21:41 AM
For me, I usually like his movies the first time I see them. However, the more I watch them, the less I like them. I eventually reach the point where I can't stand the movie and can't understand what enjoyment I ever got out of them. Armageddon, Pearl Harbor and The Rock were all movies I liked the first time I saw them, but now I'm embarassed to even admit that I've ever seen. It's like watching a show or movie now, as an adult, that I absolutely loved as a child and then realizing how absurd it really is.
Bay is a bitch... by Judge Briggs	Aug 22nd, 2007 10:21:46 AM
How whiny did he look when he said that? What a fucking bitch. I was actually excited about that statement. I would prefer to someone else come in and do a sequel. Oh and lets drop all of the super hot girl roles. Really isn't needed in the franchise. I mean, how fooking stupid is a super brilliant hot scientist. Bay basically dumbs down a movie when he adds that sort of casting to the movies. Bay is still a bitch.
Microsoft probably hit bay with $150 million cash too. by W3bzpinn3r	Aug 22nd, 2007 10:22:35 AM
They have to buy HD-DVD's current support, since customers, retail stores, and most major studios support the bluray format. Microsoft thinks the HD market is a game. That's why they think two formats will survive, like different game systems survive together. That's not true for video, though, and unrealistic. HD-DVD doesn't have a chance against bluray since Sony has control over so many of the other studios (thanks to it's acquisition of the MGM library). Sorry Quint and Harry, but your HD-DVD players will soon be used only as drink coasters by the end of next year. As for Michael Bay, I hope this temper tantrum gets him booted from TF2, and they get a REAL director with a qualified writing team to make the next movie.
The idea by PacmanFever	Aug 22nd, 2007 10:23:01 AM
That Bay would not make an almost certainly lucrative film because he was dissatisfied with the way consumers were being treated was the coolest thing I ever heard about the man. So, of course, it turns out to not be true. The first TF film was slightly above average only because of special effects. IMHO some things have little live-action potential and TF is one of them.
UH the Market HASN"T Decided by Stormwatcher	Aug 22nd, 2007 10:26:13 AM
Stop counting PS3 sales as deciding. Again, Reese Witherspoon movies don't sell to PS3 owners and sorry, as sad as it is, they want to sell those crappy films too, not just Pirates, Star Wars, and Japanese Kung Fu. Let's see those numbers in say March/April of 08 and then we can say if the market has decided. Until then stop bitching about ratios.
This format war is overhyped by TVguy4566	Aug 22nd, 2007 10:27:35 AM
Many manufacturers are already coming out with players that will play either disc. I assume those players will drop below $300 within a year or two. If that happens quick enough, it won't matter which format studios produce their HD quality DVDs in. I think studios are acting like idiots with this whole thing anyway. They are being so timid about really committing to either format they aren't releasing enough worthy titles to make it worthwhile for anyone to spend $300 plus on a new DVD player.
He could've retracted and still had some integrity. by ThreeOranges	Aug 22nd, 2007 10:29:16 AM
But then, I guess that wouldn't be very Michael Bay of him.
Champions of either format are loonies, and here's why: by DocPazuzu	Aug 22nd, 2007 10:29:31 AM
This is an UNWINNABLE format war. As soon as studios started lining up as equally as they have behind one or the other, they have effectively killed both formats. Once the war is over, do you really think the "losing" studios are going to suddenly pump hundreds of millions of dollars more into the "winning" system or just sit back and watch it wither on the vine, pump money into the sure thing (regular DVDs) and wait for a universal HD format in a few years' time? You doofuses (doofi?) who are cheering from the sidelines as the two formats rack up their points against each other are completely deluded. Whoever wins, a HUGE chunk of cinematic properties will have become casualties of backing the "wrong" format, thus reaffirming Joe Sixpack's contentment with regular DVD since with that format he can watch it all. Wake up, for fuck's sake.
microsoft pulled up with a dump truck full of coke by INWOsuxRED	Aug 22nd, 2007 10:29:40 AM
and Bay changed his mind. Plus Michael Bay knows that technology is cyclical, so he isn't too worried by the format wars.
struggling to care by Lost Prophet	Aug 22nd, 2007 10:30:45 AM
format war? don't really give a fuck. Bay- give slightly more of a fuck. TF2, erm TF1 is only just out. Maybe if they find writers with a clue and bury bay under a mountain of coke so deep that it will take him 1000 years to snort his way out of then I might care.
DocPaz is going to explode through frustration by Lost Prophet	Aug 22nd, 2007 10:32:53 AM
about this. he is right though- seriously, don't we change formats after about 20 years, and DVD's have only been out for 10
Quint, here's where your argument is flawed by ZoeFan	Aug 22nd, 2007 10:33:16 AM
When Paramount/DreamWorks decided to go HD-DVD exclusive (thanks Microsoft), they were already producing BluRay. When Disney went BluRay exclusive they didn't decide to discontinue producing HD-DVD material because they hadn't produced any yet. There's nothing hypocritical about BluRay supporter's problem with Paramount/DreamWorks decision at all.
Was this supposed to be bad news? by IAmLegolas	Aug 22nd, 2007 10:34:01 AM
Maybe we'll get a strong, up and coming, hungry director who's a fan of "the toys" for the next one, and the movie can start off explaining how the last one was just a dream. Let's get this franchise done "right".
accidentally posted- sorry- it should have read by Lost Prophet	Aug 22nd, 2007 10:35:08 AM
DocPaz is going to explode through frustration about this. He is right though- seriously, don't we change formats after about 20 years, and DVD's have only been out for 10-ish. That makes both Bluray and HDDVD the equivalent of laserdiscs. The worlds not ready to change yet, and this pissing competition is kind of sad
I don't think it is wrong to count PS3 sales by TVguy4566	Aug 22nd, 2007 10:35:10 AM
I don't think the "war" is decided, but PS3 does give Blu-Ray a big advantage. This is a very large group within the HD quality DVD format audience. These people will most likely eventually buy either a Blu Ray or HD DVD player when they are more affordable (just like the rest of the country). If they already have dozens or even hundreds of Blu Ray discs, which format do you think they will buy? Don't you think a lot of studios are thinking this way? I still think this war will become irrelevant once the universal HD quality DVD players become more affordable, but HD DVD supports are far too quick to discount PS3 consumers. In the end, if there is a winner of this war, PS3 consumers could play a big part of who wins.
And maybe... by IAmLegolas	Aug 22nd, 2007 10:37:29 AM
... I should read the whole article before posting!
i see the Bay haters are out in farce again even though by bongo123	Aug 22nd, 2007 10:39:38 AM
the movie was a fucking great piece of technical popcorn cinema thats making millions and proving all you fucktards well and truly wrong, thank god hes back for TF2 and so what if he was fucking drunk and had a rant cause he doesn't want his movie to be seen on HD by one camp and then later retracted it like most people do in the light of the day, hes not fucking perfect being you know, you lot should be glad he's format neutral and besides it was a class movie that was surprisingly funny as fuck.
zoe by Quint	Aug 22nd, 2007 10:40:14 AM
It is when the basic argument is that it is unfair for a studio to release only one of the two high def formats. Does it matter that there had been Blu-Ray produced before this deal? Sure, that might be a reason to be pissed, but to say it's unfair is a stretch. I would assume Sony had some similar deals with Target and Blockbuster (as well as their exclusive partners) that Microsoft is having with Paramount/Dreamworks... so what's the difference? It's all bullcrap, but at the end of the day this particular piece of bullcrap adds value to my personal player, so I'm happy with it. W3 tried to warn me above that my player will be dead "by the end of next year." So, I'll be getting 2 years out of my $270 HD-DVD player? My $700 first generation DVD player conked out after 3 years, so I'm fine with that.
You pay? You Play! by Redbox	Aug 22nd, 2007 10:41:06 AM
Look, if you're an early technology adapter, you know that eventually you will most likely be holding an obsolete item. So stop crying! The real good news is that by the time the market really buys onto HDTV and understands what you need to have it. the DVD disc will no longer be the vessel of exchange. It will all be digital. Movies are going the way of mp3s and no one is going to pay big bucks for HD/BluyRay DVDs, when they just bought regular ones and when they can download for free or cheap. Pandora's Box is Open, for ill or boon. Cheers!- Redbox
was there a story about Transformers 2? by nooneimportant	Aug 22nd, 2007 10:42:21 AM
because all I saw was blue-ray vs HD DVD again. Really, who gives a white shit?
ZoeFan is correct by INWOsuxRED	Aug 22nd, 2007 10:44:59 AM
if anyone was looking at the format wars and thinking I'll pick this one because I can count on this studio to release these films on this format, now they know that, just like with DVD releases, the studios can't be trusted. Dropping a format like that is even more insulting than the double dip that has really reduced my interest in purchasing video of any kind. They're increasing uncertainty and consumer skepticism with this war. People won't buy DVDs because they're going to wait till they have an HD player. They aren't going to buy an HD player because that format doesn't have a standard. For me, I watch most releases on the HD channels if I care how they look, and if I don't, I watch them on-demand. The studios are pushing me away from buying video.
"Friends over for dinner?" by Spandau Belly	Aug 22nd, 2007 10:48:50 AM
Strippers don't count as friends, and eating off them isn't technically a "dinner".
But did Michael Bay Denis watch 300 on a Toshiba HD-DVD by Pound Sand	Aug 22nd, 2007 10:48:56 AM
This Format War is nearly as boring as Lucas' Clone Wars.
Noooooo! by yodalovesyou	Aug 22nd, 2007 10:49:03 AM
I went cross-eyed watching the first Transformers because that twat seemed to think a stupid fucking robot movie required a Jason Bourne style of filmmaking. Fuck off Bay, yer big knobhead!
If VHS and Betamax... by DocPazuzu	Aug 22nd, 2007 10:50:34 AM
...had had an equally divisive share in properties back during that "format war" as Blu-Ray and HD DVD do today, then both systems would have folded eventually to make room for one which everyone would get behind. In the case of VHS, it had an overwhelming domination in the market, making resistance impossible. Neither Blu-Ray nor HD DVD have that kind of advantage. Whoever wins, they both lose. The winners? Regular DVD owners who sit back and wait for the real HD breakthrough technology.
oh no, Doc! by Lost Prophet	Aug 22nd, 2007 10:53:12 AM
"WHoever Wins, They Lose" is very very near to the AvP tagline. I feel violated now, as you've just managed to introduce the lamest film in the history of cinema into the most pedantic argument.
What he said... by The Moseph	Aug 22nd, 2007 10:53:28 AM
Hunh, what? I'm sorry, all I've heard on the site for the last two weeks has been Superbad and King Of Kong, Superbad and King Of Kong, Superbad and King Of Kong, Superbad and King Of Kong, Superbad and King Of Kong, Superbad and King Of Kong, Superbad and King Of Kong, Superbad and King Of Kong... What was the site about? I forgot.
Quint by ZoeFan	Aug 22nd, 2007 10:54:05 AM
Unfair might not be the right description. However, I definately see a difference between the Paramount/DreamWorks decision vs. Disney or Blockbuster because they never offered the choice of HD-DVD, whereas Paramount/DreamWorks did offer BluRay (and then Microsoft came in with the Brinks truck).
Lost Prophet by DocPazuzu	Aug 22nd, 2007 10:54:32 AM
It's a match made in Heaven.
who gives a shit? It's an artifically created market by s0nicdeathmonkey	Aug 22nd, 2007 10:54:36 AM
anyway. I mean, who here was dissatisfied with the quality of DVD's until we were told "you should want this!" and shown HDDVD or Blu-Ray or whatever. It's like Ford once said, "If I asked the consumer what he wanted, he would have said a faster horse." I don't give a shit because I don't honestly see any advantage to an upgrade in format so soon after the last. VCR's were around for like 30 years, and when DVD's came out, it was a huge improvement. When I look at HD, all I see is a sharper picture. Which is all well and good, but that's not enough to justify asking me to rebuy 350 DVDs.
The most lame film in history... by The Moseph	Aug 22nd, 2007 10:56:15 AM
Come on, Prophet...you can't be serious...what, and leave out the entire resume of Uwe Boll? Personally, I'd have to vote for the live action Garfield as lamest movie ever. I of course refer to the first one. I've not seen the second as I learned my lesson the first time around. I only wish I'd learned it before I saw it.
I'm buying an HD player soon, by fish tacos	Aug 22nd, 2007 10:57:00 AM
and I'm still not sure which one yet. Someone in the other TB mentioned that with some savvy shopping he got a PS3 and Memento on Blu-Ray for $399, that's pretty damn good. The one thing that gets me is the talk that we're all going to be downloading content anyways in a few years. Storage is still costly and a library of over 100 films would cost a lot to store. Even if they figure that out, I still think we want something physical for our money, something real to display on the shelf.
Doc by Lost Prophet	Aug 22nd, 2007 10:57:28 AM
Lame film in lame, pointless argument. If this was a film it would be directed by Bay, with a soundtrack featuring cover versions performed by Celine Dion. you can't get lamer than that
Transformers HD hilarity! by Spamgelus	Aug 22nd, 2007 10:57:32 AM
Ooooh! Maybe now Bay will throw in a scene in Transformers 2 where a robot changes into an HD-DVD player and gets blasted apart by a breakdancing Autobot after it pulls down Shia TheBeef's pants, breaks his chihuahua's other leg, pisses on Turturro, hides behind a tree, makes Anthony Anderson scream like a girl, and gets the finger from Bernie Mac's mom. That would be SO FRIGGIN' FUNNY. I can't wait.
The story about Transformer 2 is.... by TVguy4566	Aug 22nd, 2007 10:58:16 AM
Michael Bay may or may not be back for Transformers 2. That is huge news. Actually I think the biggest story is alcohol + director + blog = potential career suicide. I was pretty much indifferent to the first movie. It had its momements, but wasn't even in my top three Michael Bay movies. I'd still watch The Rock, Bad Boys, and Armegeddon (it was a bad popcorn movie, but I think the actors minus Ben Affleck made it enjoyable) again over Transformers. I didn't think it was a bad popcorn movie, but I didn't see all the hype either. I mean it wasn't offensive like Pearl Harbor was or boring like the Island. I guess I was never really emotionally attached to the Transformers when I was younger and felt the cartoon was cheesy. If Michael Bay directs or not, really doesn't really affect me because I will probably see it on video anyway. Personally, I think Bay was just kissing Speilberg's ass. Based on Bay basically stealing the tone first part of Transformers directly from Speilberg, I think he is trying to have Speilberg make him his protege or something.
nope, AvP is worse than all of those examples by Lost Prophet	Aug 22nd, 2007 10:58:40 AM
as it managed to shit on not one but TWO gold standard science fiction masterpieces. Nothing that has been done comes near to that sacrilege.
The Mospeh by tehgreekhammer	Aug 22nd, 2007 10:59:16 AM
Its about Super-Kong!!!
HD vs. Blue Ray? by DeadPanWalking	Aug 22nd, 2007 11:01:10 AM
Who cares? Everything is going to be downloadable within 2 or 3 years, what is this obsession with removable media? Why did they even bother?
LP by DocPazuzu	Aug 22nd, 2007 11:01:39 AM
I can't help myself. When I read the outrageous amounts of regurgitated statistics and market tactics which are supposedly going to "win" this idiotic "war", I feel like throttling small animals. I should know better, yes, and it is all pointless... but... THIS! IS! TALKBAAAAAAAAACK!!!!!
wow I actually agree with DocPaz by DarthMartel	Aug 22nd, 2007 11:02:32 AM
It seems that those who have picked a side in the format war are the ones who are getting bitchy whenever news like this comes out. Really, the only reasonable solutions are to either stick with standard def DVDs or go HD-neutral and own both HD formats. I just recently picked up a PS3 for $500. While that's pretty salty, I have no quams about the purchase since it plays all Playstation games (PS1, PS2, PS3) as well as Blu-Ray movies, as well as standard def DVDs upconverted to 1080p, as well as SACDs, CDs, and oh yeah, you can use it as a media server. Not only that but, Sony actually supports the thing with firmware updates almost monthly. In the near future I'll shell out a few hundred more bucks and get an HD-DVD player. I might even just wait till Christmas when they're rumored to be around the $200 mark. At that point, who cares what studio backs which format. They can circle-jerk eachother all they want and play their little games. I just want to watch movies in HD. "Joe Sixpack" probably can't afford to do that and probably is put off of the whole HD thing because of the way the HD war is being played. Nobody has to buy anything. If you can afford it then buy it. Eventually, we'll all be downloading movies directly to our tv sets and it'll all be a moot point anyway. Is it ridiculous for there to be a format war to begin with? Most definitely. It's a war though, in which you don't have to take sides and can just wait and see what happens. Early adopters who are bitching back and forth about which format will win and which is superior are just getting tiring to listen to.
Fish Tacos by ZoeFan	Aug 22nd, 2007 11:04:22 AM
What you said about downloading is correct. Believe it or not, Microsoft holds the most to gain from downloading. Yet they're throwing hundreds of $millions$ at Paramount/DreamWorks. Which the full explanation of the situation would take like 2 or 3 pages.
Good thing about crap is...its easy to improve upon by Bong	Aug 22nd, 2007 11:04:32 AM
So a sequel will undoubtedly be better...
BLU-RAY & HD-DVD ARE ALREADY DEAD by thinboyslim.	Aug 22nd, 2007 11:04:48 AM
I've said it once and I'll say it again Holography will own both formats asses. Numbers don't lie as BluRay supporters always point out, so 6x more storage than a BluRay disc now and 200x more storage than a DVD by 2010.
in honour of that, Doc, I'll come clean by Lost Prophet	Aug 22nd, 2007 11:05:18 AM
I couldn't really give a monkey's about this stupid marketing war as now I know that I don't have to replace my DVD's it DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER. Oh yes, and I'm likely to buy a PS3 when, in the UK, you don't have to mortgage your kidneys to pay for it. That means that what I am doing is, technically, trolling. Luckily for the TB, I'm back off home to my bridge having spent a hard day stealing billy goats etc.
The only BAD NEWS here is that TINO 2 is still planned by finky089	Aug 22nd, 2007 11:05:43 AM
Forget this "controversy" over HD vs Blu-Ray. Fix the fuckin robot designs in Transformers and pick a decent director first.
and isn't this deal collusion? by s0nicdeathmonkey	Aug 22nd, 2007 11:05:49 AM
wait...the supreme court just OKAY'ed that one. Sorry, I forgot.
its not a fully exclusive deal... by joevfx	Aug 22nd, 2007 11:06:09 AM
paramount /dreamsworks is exclusive for only 18 months and may realease certain titles on blu ray if they choose. THats comign from soemone who works damage control at paramount. see PAramoutn wasnt fully stupid enough to go fully exclusive, they just wanted a quick 150mil
That's a comedown statement that is by DirkD13"	Aug 22nd, 2007 11:07:46 AM
Lay off the Bolivian marching powder Mike.
joevfx by Lost Prophet	Aug 22nd, 2007 11:08:33 AM
no-one has answered this and you may know- Is the money some sort of license deal- so may be an advance? If this is the case then it isn't a hysterical bribe or anything like that and isn't particularly unfair.
If there is a Transformers 2... by hank henshaw	Aug 22nd, 2007 11:09:20 AM
It's all your fault for going out and watch that shit at the theaters. I did my part and avoided it like the plague. Hollywood will keep churning out garbage as long as there are dumbfucks that go and spend money on them.
Hmm by xsi kal	Aug 22nd, 2007 11:10:44 AM
Do you have a link for that joevfx? Good news for blu-ray owners, if so. I have a PS3, but honestly, I'm not buying BluRay discs anyway... I'm just using Netflix, and renting them. Less concern and potential fallout with the HD war that way.
"it’s all about loving and collecting movies right"? by mr. brownstone	Aug 22nd, 2007 11:14:52 AM
Exactly. That's why I'll be getting a dual format player (there's a good one coming out in September). I want flexibility, not limits and frustration. Dual format player = format war a non issue.
By the way, I wish Bay would... by mr. brownstone	Aug 22nd, 2007 11:16:28 AM
publicly shoot off at the mouth more often. It's insanely entertaining. No wonder he gets paid the big bucks. hah!
Why can't they do both abnd eventually let consumers by Yeti	Aug 22nd, 2007 11:17:39 AM
be the de-facto decion makers? Seriously I'm not bothering investing in either untill this pissing contest (which is really what it is) is over and done with.
I really don't get the hate from either side. by DarthTarter	Aug 22nd, 2007 11:17:46 AM
I'm only in this "war" because I have a PS3 which I only bought because I got it for $200 bucks. I own over 1200 movies on dvd...with a big whopping 4 of them on Blu (300, The Host, Fifth Element & Casino Royale). Even though I do plan on buying more as time passes. So what will I do if Blu loses? Or both lose? What have I lost by purchasing those discs that may or may not succeed in the long run? Not a damn thing. They are beautiful and I will continue to enjoy them on the PS3 for years to come. It's not like if HD-DVD wins I'm throwing my Blus away. No matter who wins you might have to drop $200 bucks on a new player...but you DON'T have to dump your current library of titles!
Or maybe he's just an egomaniac moron by IndustryKiller!	Aug 22nd, 2007 11:18:25 AM
Does the pit of this guys idiocy ever come to an end? Dropping out of a movie because of which HD format it eventually gets a release on? You gotta be fucking kidding me. As if as a director he has any right to comment on that kind business practice anyhow. It's not like it would change the content of that insipid mess of a film anyway so what the fuck does he care? It's unfortunate though that he came to his senses, The franchise desperately needs someone with talent at the helm, and that guy aint Michael Bay. What a douche bag.
I Guess We Can Kiss PS3 Goodbye Then by LaserPants	Aug 22nd, 2007 11:21:32 AM
HD exclusivity from a major studio? The one who makes movies targeted at the gaming demographic? (Only neglected children, toddler to pre-adolescent, watch Disney, so unless you have kids, why go Blu-Ray?) Isn't one of their big selling points the whole Blu-Ray thing? Couple that with the fact that its still about $200 more expensive than the competition console (yes, console, singular; the Wii isn't for gamers/geeks, its for families; the only real next gens are PS3 and the 360) means you can pretty much kiss Neo Geo, er, I mean, Dreamcast, er, I mean, PS3 goodbye. Too bad. I loved my PS2, but I can't afford yr new console, Sony, and it appears your losing hte game altogether. Seriously, Sony, that PS3 debacle has to be in the top ten of the worst business decisions ever made. You had it all, and threw it away due to hubris. Sort of like how Singer and Jackson killed their respective (and, at one time, respectable) careers away on two self-indulgent, masturbatory projects that bombed (for Singer it was Donnerman Regurgitated, for Jackon, King Long).
Lost Prophet... BRING BACK MY GOAT!!!!!!!!!!! by DarthMartel	Aug 22nd, 2007 11:25:25 AM
goat thieving troll... As for Transformers 2... as long as Megan Fox is in it I'm there. Seeing her fine ass on the big screen is worth the price of admission in my eyes. YUM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Zoefan by Fre3Cajunlove	Aug 22nd, 2007 11:37:27 AM
Actually, I've been renting HD-DVDs at my local Blockbuster for 3 months now. Corporate made them take away their HD-DVD section, but continues to send them new releases. They're stacked in a corner, but still able to be rented out.
damn you blu ray! by wazza	Aug 22nd, 2007 11:41:38 AM
bum
Isn't anyone going to damn Michael Bay? by Cletus Van Damme	Aug 22nd, 2007 11:43:24 AM
C'mon now, it's tradition!
Hopefully, TF2 will have plenty of... by Immortal_Fish	Aug 22nd, 2007 11:43:41 AM
Dick jokes. That's what every property based on toys needs. Dick jokes aplenty. Dicks and toys go together like chocolate and peanut butter. More jokes about the dick, please, in your toy movie, Mr. Bay. And you can always bring ze brewskies.
He sounds like a 13 year old in that blog post by Kurzinski Valentine	Aug 22nd, 2007 11:44:04 AM
What's with the overreacting, spazzing out, and overuse of exclamation points? TAKE IT DOWN A NOTCH, BAY. oh..wait.
The actual reason is obvious: by MCVamp	Aug 22nd, 2007 11:47:34 AM
$$$ Bay heard these Blu-Ray owners (probably industry chumps) griping about the decision and said something like "Mike, this affects you directly! All those Blu-Ray owners were dying to buy something like Transformers, and now you're going to lose your cut of all that money!" Bay probably replied with "Fuck that noise" and made his post. He probably got a phone call the next day offering a payoff to reverse his stance as "good faith" based on the projected Blu-Ray money he was going to lose. Boom. Flip flop, Kerry style.
It will continue for awhile... by Philvis	Aug 22nd, 2007 11:50:55 AM
I believe that until the HDTV's are truly affordable, there will be no winner because most people still cannot afford to buy a HDTV to play an HD DVD on. I understand they are slowly decreasing in price, but until you can get the 42 inch plasma/lcd for about $500 or $600, the majority of consumers will not even have an opportunity to use an HD DVD player. Just my two cents.
So in High Definition..... by C.K. Lamoo	Aug 22nd, 2007 11:51:13 AM
will you be able to figure out who's fighting who?
Now I know why 12 year old boys... by Stalin vs Predator	Aug 22nd, 2007 11:59:06 AM
...and adults with 12-year-old minds like Michael Bay. Because he acts the way they do. (No, I'm not a "Baya hata", by the way; I don't hate him or his movies - I'm just completely indifferent about them)
Hmmm... by Kid Z	Aug 22nd, 2007 12:03:15 PM
... betcha this whole little tirade of Bay's was the result of the usual cause for this sort of hissy fit... way too much blow.
"He sounds like a 13 year old in that blog post" by Kid Z	Aug 22nd, 2007 12:04:48 PM
... yeah, Bay's really matured in the last couple of years, hasn't he?
The Porn industry will dictate by silentjay	Aug 22nd, 2007 12:07:09 PM
The porn industry forced the adoption of video tape, the DVD and now ... HD DVD. Buy HD DVD players, folks, the war is over.
HD-TF-BR by dogstar69	Aug 22nd, 2007 12:08:20 PM
Already got an X-box HD DVD so bought a blu ray rom for my PC, got films on both formats and couldn't tell the difference, both seem to be pretty much the same. Can't wait for TF2 as i watched it with my 4 year old son who loved it and has had his imagination for cinema fired up, takes me back to the days of dragging my parents to ROTJ every day during holidays
Transformers sucked ass. Bay just didn't get it at all by anchorite	Aug 22nd, 2007 12:10:27 PM
He was so impressed with himself, with creating his own take on Transformers, that he completely missed the mark. It wasn't a Transformers movie, it was a giant robot movie. And even as a giant robot movie, it sucked. The characters were weak, the storyline even weaker. The robots had no personality, no inter-relationships. It's sad when you get much more emotional impact out of a thirty minute cartoon than out of a two and a half hour movie. The character designs were almost incomprehensible. The action scenes were poorly staged and shot. It was a real disappointment all the way around. I think the best thing Transformers fans could hope for would be a HD format-fueled temper tantrum that ended with Michael Bay packing up his toys and going home. But his ego is too damn big (and his penis is too damn small) for that to happen.
What's wrong with Microsoft? by No time for Haters	Aug 22nd, 2007 12:11:57 PM
I don't understand why people hate Microsoft the way they do? If they paid $150 million to get Paramount exclusive to HD-DVD, isn't that just smart business. As we can see, HD-DVD is falling behind Blu-Ray, so they have to do something. If you were in their position, wouldn't you do the same if you had the money to do it? Besides, as was stated before, it's not like Sony hasn't done things to try and keep Blu-ray exclusive and above HD-DVD. Just look at the recent Fox/MGM news to see further proof of that.
I hate it when by RAVENL0RD	Aug 22nd, 2007 12:12:09 PM
somebody says something and then retracts it. Does anybody else find it annoying?
mr. brownstone is exactly right by AL bino	Aug 22nd, 2007 12:14:16 PM
There is no format war once they get the kinks worked out with dual format players. All this talk is a waste of time. Who's going to be an exclusive player when you can buy a dual format player for exactly the same price?
Transformers 2: Cocaine Decisions by Stuntcock Mike	Aug 22nd, 2007 12:15:54 PM
What a douche.
Yes... I hate that by DarthMartel	Aug 22nd, 2007 12:16:03 PM
eh... not really I guess.
If It Weren't For Cocaine, Hollywood Couldn't Exist by LaserPants	Aug 22nd, 2007 12:20:53 PM
It appears to be both the cause of and solution to, all of its problems. What a paradox!
Why this is different from Disney/Fox by hauptman	Aug 22nd, 2007 12:23:27 PM
Paramount switched in the middle of the game. Some poor jerk went out and bought a Blu-ray player, thinking he'll be able to see Paramount movies and then, a few months later, Paramount decided to say "FU" and stopped offering it to him. At least Disney and Fox let everyone know from the beginning that they were not going near HD DVD.
The really fucked up thing... by Pdorwick	Aug 22nd, 2007 12:28:13 PM
...is that Michael Bay might make another movie. ...and the really, really fucked up thing is that it's going to be another piece of shit Transformers movie. Christ
I was going to post something intelligent here by ATARI	Aug 22nd, 2007 12:34:33 PM
but then I realised that all the good material had been taken.
Michael "Bipolar" Bay by Mike_D	Aug 22nd, 2007 12:35:51 PM
is his new name.
whole hd thing not fun anymore I think I'm done by skiff	Aug 22nd, 2007 12:45:51 PM
It's just to hard on the head hometheatre was a fun relaxing hobby now its all turning to shit. Maybe I should just sell it all and just do torrents off the web. Find something new to do this shit is taking all the fun out of movies.
silentjay... by MCVamp	Aug 22nd, 2007 12:46:45 PM
You couldn't be more wrong. The internet has made porn in physical media obsolete. No trips to the Adult Bookstore. No making sure the wife doesn't find the box in your closet. No more setting up a P.O. box to recieve your goods. For a few bucks a month or even free (if you're savvy) there are lifetimes of hours worth of porn out there, all in the comfortable confines of your PC. Anyone with the "early adopter" mindset? 9 out of 10 times, if they're porn junkies, they discovered the joys of web porn long ago and never looked back. Porn on disc is going the way of music CDs, only faster.
NUTS to Them by ElectricDreams	Aug 22nd, 2007 12:47:48 PM
Hey who says speaking up and raising a stink doesnt make a difference, tell that to Nina Tassler over at CBS when they got all those cases of Nuts to save "Jericho", and CBS is under the umbrella of Viacom which also owns Paramount, so I say we send them cases of Blue Sting Rays...or something to make a stand, or maybe cases of spray-painted Blue Transformers!!! Cmon, who's with me people!!!
DAMN YOU MICHAEL BAY! by THE KNIGHT	Aug 22nd, 2007 12:52:01 PM
Someone had to say it!
The Studios are idiots by zenzer	Aug 22nd, 2007 12:54:04 PM
The Studio's are idiots for not trying to reach a mutual agreement regarding the support of ONE type of HD disc technology. Not doing so leaves the market in doubt and TONS of money on the table. Hollywood seems so focused on the almighty dollar that you would think they could get past their centrist egos for the sake of the cash. Sheesh.
I would waste probably a vhs for TF1... by Lord_Soth	Aug 22nd, 2007 01:02:12 PM
...but being a cheap guy I won't. P.S.: There's no real format war, until Uncle George has not unleashed a HD Star Wars. Well, that won't happen anytime soon, so I'm just waiting for the budget combo players.
This whole flip-flopping by lionbiu	Aug 22nd, 2007 01:05:34 PM
This whole flip-flopping with Michael Bay is 100 times more entertaining than Transformers, I think I see why people like him soo much.
I think he's licking its balls by Abominable Snowcone	Aug 22nd, 2007 01:07:09 PM
Honestly, it was an okay flick. I enjoyed watching it. But it was also completely forgettable.
Paramount= STAR TREK! by Cpt Shaw	Aug 22nd, 2007 01:08:21 PM
As soon as heard the Paramount was going HD exclusive...my decision was made! I want the Star Trek:Remastered Box set...so that settles it for Me. Plus...I already own a Xbox 360...so I can pick up an HD Player for $199.
What about the whole Blockbuster going w/Blue Ray? by The Dum Guy	Aug 22nd, 2007 01:12:12 PM
I can't wait for the future (say five years from now) when we, the consumers, can actually choose a format that will last long enough for us not to worry about upgrading... No sir, I don't like it, it is almost like choosing a game console.
Trik_Ster by tehgreekhammer	Aug 22nd, 2007 01:13:32 PM
Toshiba did go ahead and pay 150 million to Paramount but thats only because they dont own any movie studios of their own like Sony does. If you ask my theyre just leveling the playing field a little bit. All the PS3 lovers really need to take a look at the number of quality games that are available for that piece of crap and admit to themselves that if mommy and daddy had only bought them a 360 instead, we wouldnt having this problem. Also now that Sonys exclusive deal with ROCKSTAR is over with we can now get the new Grand Theft Auto on the 360. oh and by the way..... HALO 3 BITCHES!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't have an HD television by Abominable Snowcone	Aug 22nd, 2007 01:13:59 PM
And don't plan on getting one anytime soon. So I won't be splurging for BluGay or HD/DVD. I mean, are they REALLY that much better? Can your eyes truly discern a difference between a regular DVD and a BluRay? Has anyone done 'blind' studies where they show people a clip from the same film on the different formats on the same model TV and asked them to guess which was which? Even if there is a slightly noticable improvement, it's certainly not worth my paying an additional 10 bucks on top of what the 'regular' DVD would have cost. Thank God my right index finger is in good shape. I'll keep clickin' my mouse to download.
AICN supports HD-DVD, and here's why.... by ginrei724	Aug 22nd, 2007 01:14:17 PM
Microsoft bought them off too. Dammit though! We came soooooo close to Bay promising not to make another Transformers movie! Soooooo effing close!
I will buy an hd-dvd player by huggerorange	Aug 22nd, 2007 01:17:00 PM
I will buy an hd-dvd player when they cost about 50-60$ at walmart...Eventhough transformers sucked a little, ill be seeing it again at the Imax..
It'll look just like all his other movies. by Chriss	Aug 22nd, 2007 01:22:18 PM
Jesus, Bay's directorial style is so predictable. Transformers was a mediocre movie at best. The goofy parents were so cliche and unrealistic. And the patriotic, broad sweeping shots and the closeups... god I saw this movie before it was called Amageddon or was it Independence Day?
Transformers 2 by Series7	Aug 22nd, 2007 01:34:58 PM
I don't care about HD and Blu Ray, I own a Wii and it doesn't play either. I'll wait for them to cancel each other out. But seriously the only way Transformers 2 will be good is if its set like way in the future when pretty much all the humans are gone and Transformers rule Earth. That and Anthony Anderson, Jon Voight, and John Turturro are not allowed back because they were horrible. Those 3 were the reason transformers was so blah when it could've been good. Whats worse is that they are all three actors with a decent track record and should have known better and I blame them for ruining the movie because Bay will be Bay. But those three knew better. Plus Shia LaBeouf was the only one who took this movie seriously and next to the special effects made the movie watchable. Between The Karate Dog, Bratz and this I think shows that Jon Voight just doesn't care anymore.
One good scratch on your hddvd disc and its trash by skiff	Aug 22nd, 2007 01:37:28 PM
Thats why bluray has a none scratch coating. Do you think paramount will replace your fucked disc. There is 30 gig of micro info on a disc very easy to damage
I wouldn't see Transformers 2 in BlowJob-o-Vision by BadMrWonka	Aug 22nd, 2007 01:40:55 PM
where Rebecca Romijn popped up under my seat and mouth-humped me while I watched. I'd rather spend $10 to watch a tootheless midget ride a dog like a horse in Tijuana. at least they would have better character development...
Transformers was an OK Film,,,, by C.K. Lamoo	Aug 22nd, 2007 01:46:58 PM
Until the bots started talking. Dialogue that sounds cool to an eight year old in a cartoon show sounds really pretentious in a feature length movie. Besides, there were way too many "He'd be dead" moments.
One advantage of Blue Ray losing the battle by pelos_locos	Aug 22nd, 2007 01:49:12 PM
is that the PS3 would have to be re-released without the Blue Ray drive and that should bring the price down to about half the current price, and I would finally be able to afford it. Didn't any body notice the xbox 360 transformation in the Transformers movie? That was a clear indication that microsoft = HD-DVD was already involved with Bay/Paramount. I don't really know what the whole Bay deal was about. Was this only an opportunity for M Bay to get back on the spotlight? Me think so.
I want to sex my PS3 by mooseaka	Aug 22nd, 2007 01:54:13 PM
They just announced that PS3 is going to have peripheral that will turn it into a DVR (including HD). It's going to be out in Europe early '08 and presumably US eventually. I have a PS3 and love it. I only have two games (Resistance/Tiger '07) and one Blu-Ray movie (the gorgeous Fifth Element remastered), but I'm on the PS3 almost every day adding digital photos which look awsome my 50 inch DLP 1080p TV, adding my music, surfing the net (because my computer is upstairs on the other side of the house), or downloading games and trailers from the PSN. I also sold my upconverter DVD player because it does that too. Call me a fanboy, hack, plant, whatever, but you really can't beat that for $500, and I can't imagine paying $300 for a HD DVD player or a $500 Blu Ray player than ONLY plays movies.
BadMrWonka by DarthMartel	Aug 22nd, 2007 01:56:41 PM
I really have to call into question any man's sanity who would turn down a Rebecca Romijn hummer while watching a movie. Hell, I'd even watch Titanic again if it meant I'd get her services for the full duration of the flick.
MCVamp..pPhysical porn is NOT dead... by DarthTarter	Aug 22nd, 2007 01:58:09 PM
I know because as I started to write this I got interrupted twice. Once for a $40 mag sale and once for $30 of just rentals...in the span of a couple of minutes. The store I work at used to be a nice little magazine/video store that had a few porn mags and movies. Now we have dumped the magazines/newspapers and only carry new releases while nearly 90% of our business comes from porn related sales. And we do even not carry toys or have viewing rooms. We do double the business we used to. While I agree these people are stupid and one day in the future physical porn may indeed be obsolete, calling a multi-billion dollar business dead as we speak is simply inaccurate.
scratched HD-DVDs by shanedugg2000	Aug 22nd, 2007 02:02:25 PM
In all fairness, I bought Planet Earth off amazon... when it arrived, one HD had gotten the crap kicked out of it during shipping and even though it was heavily scratched, it still works great. I also own a Ps3 and bluray is amazing - Black Hawk Down is awesome in Blu Ray. Then again, the Big Lebowski is awesome in HD-DVD. I can't imagine not owning both at this point and don't care who wins, really. One thing is for certain, just because I download music, doesn't mean I will download movies. I like owning my cinema and having shelves full of it. So long live HD and Blu ray!
Porn Exlusively on HDDVD = R.I.P. for Blu Ray by Bill Brasky	Aug 22nd, 2007 02:05:38 PM
Sorry Blu-Heads, that's just the cold, cruel reality of the sex-fueled market. Sony will continue to stay away from Porn, and HD-DVD will eventually win the Hi-Def wars. Just like VHS defeated the arguably superior Beta Max. Stop drinking the Blu Kool Aid and join me. Together, we can defeat the PS3 and rule the galaxy together...with our XBOX 360s....
TF was badass by BagSalad	Aug 22nd, 2007 02:06:36 PM
on a par with Back to the Future, Jurassic Park. Its visual masturbation. There will always be a tangible format for movies and music. Nerds have to get a deluxe edition with Frodo bookends some fuckin how.
Isn't this Bay's problem? He cares more about the tech by Big Bad Clone	Aug 22nd, 2007 02:07:20 PM
His bombing of Pearl Harbor was mostly him humping his own cameras rather than showing a tragic attack on the US (or a ballsy move by the Japanese). And that Transformers movie was like him sodomizing Bumblebee and then wiping his shit-stained dick on the Transformers covers I had when I was in 5th grade. I knew it would suck but I at least hoped it would have cool looking robots fighting. Motherfucker couldn't even get that right. He was too busy making sure the lighting on Megan Fox's narrow ass wqas just so that we'd forget that she's just an average skank and the sound of Anthony Anderson's screams were at just the right pitch as to set back civil rights 30 years. Fuck you, Bay, fuck you right in your Blu Ray Disc slot.
Can anyone remember what by lionbiu	Aug 22nd, 2007 02:08:45 PM
Can anyone remember what happened to Shia's parents in Transformers?!?! Also what happened to the latino soldier, or the hackers or jon voight....not that I care, it's just been bugging me.
Do people still buy physical by lionbiu	Aug 22nd, 2007 02:12:00 PM
Do people still buy physical porn?? Why? I though limewire, emule and all the other P2P download systems stop that and after downloading soo much porn I just got bored of it.
This fucking close to getting Bay off TRANSFORMERS 2... by SpyGuy	Aug 22nd, 2007 02:14:41 PM
Dammit, Michael Bay can't even bail on a new mega-franchise without fucking it up! Looks like another effects-heavy, story-light, overdesigned hip-hop Autobot TRANSFORMERS flick is on the way. Woo.
he's a SONY whore. what did you expect? by mrdinky	Aug 22nd, 2007 02:18:31 PM
Almost all of Bay's movies are SONY or Disney, which are both bluray exclusive. Even most of the stuff he produces is WB/New Line, which also does bluray. That's the one and ONLY reason he reacted the way he did. He stands to make more money off of bluray. FYI: bluray only has slightly better specs than HD-DVD and many more caveats (such as the porn and the fact that SONY won't cut unrated discs).
Action Secretary of Defense, Jon Voight's fate by Big Bad Clone	Aug 22nd, 2007 02:23:34 PM
They killed the annoying boombox robot with his own ninja star thing (I think, the fucking camera was moving too much). Then they got on the radio to call in that helicopter to go to LA. He's shown later walking around some overshot military command thingy. Shia's parents did some cute UFO interview thing on TV. It wasn't funny. Latino soldier had no epilouge. Maybe he survived that street fight but who the fuck could tell what was going on? As far as I could tell, the streets were jammed with metal tumblweeds and explosions. Hackerzzzzz joind the NSA. But I'm having trouble recalling why they were important to begin with.
Damn, I thought it was to good to be true......... by Yoda's Ball Sack	Aug 22nd, 2007 02:25:41 PM
Thought Mikey Bay was out and a real director would take over..........
The Hackers= by MCVamp	Aug 22nd, 2007 02:30:00 PM
Excue to cram another hot piece of female ass, and a dash of sassy black comic relief. Other than that, the whole hacker thing was goddamn pointless. But then so was the whole movie. Lots of purty robots and hot Megan Fox, though. And I stand corrected about physical porn, but the internet gave it a HUGE punch in the gut. I get mine free and streaming, baby!
Oh yea...... by Yoda's Ball Sack	Aug 22nd, 2007 02:31:14 PM
Blu Ray all the way baby.........!!!!! HD-DVD= dead.
Abominable by skimn	Aug 22nd, 2007 02:32:59 PM
I don't have an HD tv either. It's a good ol 27 inch Sony Vega that I'm perfectly happy with. And standard DVD's look just fine. It's when you start getting into 37 and 42 and 56 or whatever inch screens that resolution becomes a factor. I guess in this instance ignorance is bliss, cause I understand HD is noticably better. When I do splurge for a HD tv, I think I'll just spend about 50 bucks for a standard DVD player with an upconverter, which I understand works very nicely. Not like studios will stop making standard DVDs any time soon. Oh and to echo the cry since I've not seen MCMMVII-whatever around lately....Damn You Michael Bay.
If one more person... by mode_7	Aug 22nd, 2007 02:33:28 PM
trotts out the old porn-industry-chooses-media-fo rmats theory like they just thought of it i'm gonna go insane. WE GET IT. WE'VE HEARD IT BEFORE. IT'S BULLSHIT. Who the fuck pays for porn these days? Exept probably Michael Bay?
This just in! by BillyPilgrim	Aug 22nd, 2007 02:37:45 PM
Sasquatch has chosen HD-DVD! Earlier this week we found out Yeti's chose Blu-Ray. Will the world be able to survive this clash if the titans? Up next....just what is this internets thing?
Gene Roddenberry chooses holodecks and here's why.... by Reasonaxe	Aug 22nd, 2007 02:39:09 PM
Let's abandon movies in general and invent god damned virtual reality and holodecks and start creating our own virtual adventures that we can star in ourselves
The winner will always be DVD. Nobody has HD TV's. by TallBoy66	Aug 22nd, 2007 02:39:17 PM
We're all too lazy and cheap to convert en-masse. And keep telling us about the switch to HD Television streams. That'll happen sometime in the next decade. Right. Sure. I'll probably get a Blu-Ray player if/when I buy a PS3, but that'll be it. Enjoy Laserdic 2.0 and we'll see you at the next format upgrade.
TRANSFORMERS II: TAKING IT FROM BEHIND by brokentusk	Aug 22nd, 2007 02:39:19 PM
I'm in the "can't give a crap either way" camp about Bay returning to direct. Same shit, different day.
Shoot for the edit by kwisatzhaderach	Aug 22nd, 2007 02:40:29 PM
This is basically Bay's problem in a nutshell. If he conceptualised his sequences and shot only what he needed, instead of 100 different variations and angles, his movies might actually be watchable.
One format to rule them all by Thunderbolt Ross	Aug 22nd, 2007 02:50:40 PM
They call it DVD.
thanks for the info, now I by lionbiu	Aug 22nd, 2007 02:52:45 PM
thanks for the info, now I never have to see Transformers again.
I wish Bay was off a Transformers Sequel by BilboRing	Aug 22nd, 2007 03:21:04 PM
The first one sucked balls. Honestly, how could anyone call it a good movie? It was horrible.
since when did some drunkin' MB quote become COOL NEWS? by future help	Aug 22nd, 2007 03:23:40 PM
geeeshh! this site needs to take a good look at it's past greatness.
well, past goodness. by future help	Aug 22nd, 2007 03:24:36 PM
never great...just the concept.
Everyone will need an HDTV by 2009 by BLWiseass	Aug 22nd, 2007 03:27:34 PM
February 17, 2009 is the day that broadcasters stop using analog signals. SO less than 2 years and everyone will either have an HDTV or won't watch any television other than their old VHS and DVD's
No Blu-Ray, huh? Funny.. by Kragmose	Aug 22nd, 2007 03:47:30 PM
You'd think Bay would wanna squeeze as much money as he can out of this movie. I'm still refusing to watch it, so as a Blu-Ray user, I'm actually glad it's not coming!
Bummer! by ninpobugei	Aug 22nd, 2007 03:51:06 PM
I was hoping Bay would be out so we could get a decent sequel rather than another hard-to-watch bout of mindless drivel. As for HD-DVD vs. Blu Ray, anyone jumping onboard this bandwagon isn't too bright...direct downloads or media akin to jump drives are going to beat out the disc media long before HD-DVD or Blu Ray ever really get going. Who wants a disc that scratches and takes up as much space as the old DVD's? I'm saving my dollars for the next wave. HD-DVD and Blu Ray were old news before they started...so why is AintItCool promoting them so heavily? It's a huge waste of money!
If there is a transformers 2.... by knifeandfork	Aug 22nd, 2007 03:52:49 PM
...i really hope the action is shot properly. When watching transformers, i really had to squint to see any of the action sequences, they were so poorly shot and over edited that i couldnt make out what the fuck was going on . Whats the fuckin point of spending so much money on big action sequences if the audience cant see them? Isnt giant robots fighting each other meant to be the main attraction of this franchise ? Judging by the piss poor camera work and editing, it doesnt seem that way....
"the tiny high definition market was being divided" by jfp2007	Aug 22nd, 2007 03:56:50 PM
"Hey, Eckhart!!! Think about the future!!!!
ninpobugei by jfp2007	Aug 22nd, 2007 03:58:07 PM
Sorry, non-media whatever is never gonna happen or at least not for a very long time. The regular Joe Blow is going to hold that up, and I'm glad.
jfp2007 by ninpobugei	Aug 22nd, 2007 04:04:00 PM
I disagree...direct downloads are being taken on by cable companies, phone companies, the internet, etc. Also, discs are NOT the only media. Digital drives are FAR better storage devices than discs, which scratch and take up space. Sorry, I wouldn't spend a single penny on high-def discs. Why spend money on DVD's...then replace those with high-def DVD's...then digital storage drives or whatever? A huge stupid waste of money for the ignorant.
Transformers - haters in disguise by dogstar69	Aug 22nd, 2007 04:04:18 PM
strange thing about this talk back is that probably half of the haters paid to go and see transformers at the cinema knowing they were going to hate it, and probably enjoyed it, but got caught up in their own vitriol that they are living in denial, finding it easier to be cool and bitch about it
s0nicdeathmonkey by jfp2007	Aug 22nd, 2007 04:07:50 PM
You don't have to re-buy your 350 DVDs. There's this thing called DVD upscaling which makes your DVDs look fantastic on an HDTV. Of course, it's not going to be as crisp as true HD content, but it looks better than before we had upscaling.
ninpobugei 2 by jfp2007	Aug 22nd, 2007 04:10:39 PM
See my prevous to s0nicdeathmonkey. The layman doesn't have time to fool around with all that non-media nonsense and the tech behind it. They don't understand it or care. They like to hold that disc in their hand, and downloadable content will only be a fashion trend for the techies. It has nothing to do with being ignorant.
...and to add... by jfp2007	Aug 22nd, 2007 04:12:48 PM
...and yes one day downloadable content will be the norm, but it won't be for many years and I'm talking at least a decade. I'm meaning the "norm" not what we have now or may have in a couple of years. I'll take my chances with physical media. It's the same thing and I can hold it in my hand. When I'm absolutely forced to go the download route (and I'll be an old man by the time that happens), I'll change over if need be.
BLWiseass by skimn	Aug 22nd, 2007 04:20:24 PM
Yes, but that only covers transmitted signal from the networks. I believe anyone with cable will be safe, as that signal will have converters, and I believe converter boxes will be available.
damn, my hopes were almost by jaylerd	Aug 22nd, 2007 04:25:53 PM
damn, my hopes were almost up. the only way i'll see transformers 2 is if michael bay has nothing to do with it. oh well. they'll still make a bajillion dollars off of the retards who loved the first one.
For the last time.... by DarthTarter	Aug 22nd, 2007 04:31:11 PM
YES people still buy physical porn. Tons of it! Yes, you can get free porn on the internet. You can get free movies on the internet as well, but people still turn Tuesday mornings to get their new releases, don't they? Believe it or not, lots of these guys are not online. Some of them can't sit in their living rooms and jack it while the kids are watching Dora 3 feet away. Some just like the idea of having the porn dvd to watch at their leisure. And others like having the mags, which for the life of me I can't believe sell for the prices they do. But dammit the biz is alive and well. The fact that I DO have a HD-TV, PS3 & XBox 360 is BECAUSE porn still sells!
Not to mention that the FCC by tehgreekhammer	Aug 22nd, 2007 04:31:19 PM
Has been claiming that all TVs will have to be HD capable by the year 2000, then it was 2004, Now its 2009. Whatever.
Thanks to you fools who watched Bayformers by Toby___Wong	Aug 22nd, 2007 04:36:12 PM
Bay bought Hogan's Miami Mansion for 18 million dollars. Only in America.
F^@K Blu-Ray, F^@K HD!! by jhol497	Aug 22nd, 2007 04:37:12 PM
I'm waiting for the super-capacity USB Flash Drives in 2020 for all my movies. Did I mention I'm from the future?
Transformers 2... by jimmy rabbitte	Aug 22nd, 2007 04:49:04 PM
...featuring: nipples on the flames on Optimus... ...with real Transformer farts in "Scratch and Sniff-o-Vision."
Noted_Cineaste Auteur Mikey_Bay: by TomBodet	Aug 22nd, 2007 04:52:52 PM
-the Hope of Mankind. You know it's true.
jfp2007 by mode_7	Aug 22nd, 2007 04:53:51 PM
If the layman isn't ready for digital downloads how the fuck do you explain the popularity of the ipod? I think the biggest advantage digital downloading has over physical media is that physical media has to be physicaly purchased, and the layman is generaly a lazy man.
BAY IS AN ARROGANT IDIOT by havehope	Aug 22nd, 2007 04:58:50 PM
Cant believe the TF fans that are accepting this dumbo back. He just said 'NO TRANSFORMERS FOR ME!!' Like people actually care. Let him leave, and let a better director come. Bay deserves all the hate he gets. He brings it on himself.
gaaahey by Zach_Talks_Back	Aug 22nd, 2007 05:10:40 PM
i think all the people who are buying hd/blueray movies right now are morons who like wasting money. Sure it looks nice, but who really cares. everyone I know or have met at work who has a HD player, some plasma/lcd hdtv or a PS3 has to keep reminding themselves and their freinds that they own it.To justify the purchase on their newly opened Best Buy card that they will be paying for the next 5 years while the hd format war finaly ends. "Hey man come over and watch Departed in HD man" Why. I mean how much clearer do you need matt damons mole to be?
Fuck, this is the worst news I've heard all month by photoboy	Aug 22nd, 2007 05:12:02 PM
Now we're going to get TINO 2: More kewl exploshuns! Still, now that Bay has raped the classic designs with his scrap metal designs any sequel would have sucked anyway, unless a new director found some way to have all the original designs come back.
Last for a bit!!! by spidercheek	Aug 22nd, 2007 05:15:17 PM
ooooh my first post!
TINO2: the crap metal designs. by mrdinky	Aug 22nd, 2007 05:29:29 PM
oddly enough, that was the first thing I noticed when I looked into TRANSFORMERS, and tbh, the designs didn't bother me at all really. sure, they could have been better, and bumblebee's face looking like a scuba diver was not a positive. but overall, the look wasn't one of the movie's many many problems. the action shots of two robots rolling around like a metal ball and the insulting gags (a transformer pees on someone to voice its disapproval? come on!) and a series of pointless, driveling "supporting" characters and subplots, and the basic attitude that the IQ of the average viewer will be 80 or lower were its problems. looking like Bionicle turned out not to be an issue at all as far as I'm concerned.
The Guy That WIll Make The Most by Colier Rannd	Aug 22nd, 2007 05:38:12 PM
Money will be the first to offer a dual-format player for under $200. He'll make so much it'll be ridiculous. Problem is (as has been stated) the tvs. No one is gonna put out over a thousand dollars for an HDTV. Especially in this economy with a shithead Republican in the white house.
Hated Transformers by hallmitchell	Aug 22nd, 2007 05:42:03 PM
And I love transformers. The movie is so terrible. Optimus saying " My bad ". The tacky masturbation scene. The Transformers being cameo players in their own movie. The very annoying Shia. The flash away from the action camera technique. I just don't get how people say they enjoyed this movie. Amongst my friends. People tell me to lighten up. Don't take it so seriously. I don't know anymore. At least rap album sales are down.
They should do a reimagining of Transformers.. by mrtwig48	Aug 22nd, 2007 06:16:54 PM
...with Rob Zombie as the director. Well, this isn't a serious comment, but it would be a step up. Hell Brett ratner might be a step up and he sucks too.
Just choose HDDVD and now lets move on!! by wadi77	Aug 22nd, 2007 06:17:12 PM
I mean, I'm tired of this. HDDVD is cheaper, so they win. At my work place I can test both formats on a 1080p TV, and I can tell you the quality between a HDDVD and a 50GB Blu-ray is about the same! For HD disc, the most important thing is that it can hold a 1080p video, that's it.
Ha! by Spastic Jedi	Aug 22nd, 2007 06:20:16 PM
Ha! I have put out over a thousand dollars on a HDTV, and it was because of this Economy and obvioulsy the Republican President. It's funny, if you work full time at a good job you can afford all sorts of cool stuff!
No Bay on TF2 = Greatest News Of All Time by spencey7	Aug 22nd, 2007 06:33:34 PM
No fucking awful designs, no shitty editing, no cheesey sunsets and no tremendous, improvised "comedy". With Kurtzman and Orci turning down the sequel we might even get a decent script/story!!! Can this franchise be saved, and become what it was supposed to be...? Probably not.
P.S.... by spencey7	Aug 22nd, 2007 06:35:25 PM
Typical of Bay to be a whiny bitch about it.
Joe Rogan says porn is not a factor by Chrighton	Aug 22nd, 2007 06:45:37 PM
Who the fuck buys porn on disc anymore? Who would want hidef porn for that matter? Scars, stretchmarks, pimples, etc. If you have to just buy a DVD version and play it on either HDDVD/Blu-ray, they both play DVDs just fine and the upscaling will soften the horrorshow that hidef reveals. Oh, and Blu-ray FTW.
Spastic by skimn	Aug 22nd, 2007 06:51:34 PM
Unfortunately I spend all my money on drugs and alcohol to forget about the economy and Republican Administration.
HD is still a small market by Dazzler69	Aug 22nd, 2007 07:01:22 PM
I don't know anybody with HD players yet. They have barely begun with HD tv's.
Awww FUCK NO!!!! by Doc_Strange	Aug 22nd, 2007 07:10:14 PM
Why oh why is this asshole allowed to make movies? Why don't you go and fuck up someone else's beloved franchise and leave Transformers alone?
Waiting for the dual reader by lfhlaw	Aug 22nd, 2007 07:39:00 PM
Maybe someone will come out with a dual reader then i won't have to worry about it. So far i'm still buying DVDs
Paramount just prolonged the format war by Cymbol	Aug 22nd, 2007 07:55:43 PM
indefinately. Hi-def will never be accepted now as this "war" is gauranteed to go on for years now. Microsoft wins. Congrats Paramount.
OPTIMUS PRIME CHOSE BLU-RAY AND HERE'S WHY .......... , by BringingSexyBack	Aug 22nd, 2007 08:01:46 PM
It's flame-resistant. hee? hee
Eva Mendes = NOT HOT by BringingSexyBack	Aug 22nd, 2007 08:02:25 PM
It needs to be said everywhere.
Michael Bay chooses Brawndo by Wed Vid Guy	Aug 22nd, 2007 08:03:08 PM
Because electrolytes are what Transformers crave.
Whoa, whoa, slow down. Sony won't cut UNRATED discs? by Immortal_Fish	Aug 22nd, 2007 08:07:02 PM
I read this back up there. ^^ Sorry TB'er, but I forgot your handle. Is this true? And you so-called self-respecting movie buffs are backing this crap? Immortal_Fish has chosen HD-DVD, and THIS is why...
BringingSexyBack, re: Eva Mendes by Immortal_Fish	Aug 22nd, 2007 08:10:29 PM
Aw, gimme a break. You'd really kick her out of bed for eating crackers? That's like BadMrWonka claiming that he wouldn't endure a Rebbecca Romjin blowjob if it meant having to watch Bay's TF2.
Immortal, honestly, she is not all that by BringingSexyBack	Aug 22nd, 2007 08:17:42 PM
For a Latina, she is seriously dime-a-dozen. I much prefer Roselyn Sanchez (for full-on Latina hotness) and Jessica Alba (for that mixed flavor). But no man would kick her out of bed, that would be stupid. But that's a different issue altogether.
hey BSB is Roslyn Sanchez by Phategod2	Aug 22nd, 2007 08:59:58 PM
that chick from Boat trip I Downloaded a few weeks ago just to her And My girl was all like "why did you Down load that" and I'm like "I heard it was pretty funny". By the By BSB you seem like a man about town what do you think of the host of "On the Lot" Adrianna Costa she pretty hot if you missed the show just do a Google Image search.
Someone answer this: what about regular dvd? by Warcraft	Aug 22nd, 2007 09:14:17 PM
Will TF2 still come out on regular dvd?
Noted_Cineaste Auteur Mikey_Bay- by TomBodet	Aug 22nd, 2007 09:28:21 PM
-is the hope of Future Humanity. You know it to be so.
HD, Blue-Ray... the shit is still shit by br1947	Aug 22nd, 2007 09:51:09 PM
No matter the format, that was a god-awful movie.
HD will win out over blue ray for one reason... by Sir Not	Aug 22nd, 2007 09:51:56 PM
Porn. HD-DVD has it, Blue ray don't. You know you all want to see every pimple and bit of stubble on that skank's ass as you spank it. It's why VHS won out over Beta, despite Beta being the better format.
Gwai Lo: why the fuck do people buy movies? by instruction	Aug 22nd, 2007 10:01:12 PM
I've downlaoded almost every movie discussed on this site this year. From Ghost Rider to the dvd screener of Bourne. Fuck porn, who buys movies anymore? 700 MB baby. 700 MB. Fuck the 1.2 GB 5.1 shit.
The only people mad at this deal by Snukadaman	Aug 22nd, 2007 10:21:08 PM
Are ps3 owners who justify their purchase of a "gaming" machine that plays terrible versions of multi platform games that only use it as a movie player.
It's funny that Bay cares about... by Vern	Aug 22nd, 2007 10:21:10 PM
...providing to the consumer the highest resolution version of his movie, but DOES NOT care about providing the visual information from shot to shot that communicates a story. And by the way, if there's one thing those god damn robots don't need it's MORE detail! People will probaly go blind looking at it on HD.
Coked Up Late Night Blogging... by robzass	Aug 22nd, 2007 10:24:28 PM
...can make you say things you will regret.
It's all B.S. anyway... by vettebro	Aug 22nd, 2007 10:29:25 PM
There was always going to be a Michael Bay Transformers 2. Didn't you guys see the end of the first movie? It doesn't get anymore obvious than that. This who talkback is a waste of time...
DOES IT MATTER? by BigBlackDude	Aug 22nd, 2007 11:08:09 PM
Unless Bay has become a better filmmaker it'll be the same bull shit. Blu-Ray, ha. Shit is shit. Being able to see the microbes on a turd does not make it smell better.
I already saw Transformers in HD at the theater... by BurnHollywood	Aug 22nd, 2007 11:19:00 PM
...Or at least, with a digital projector, which is like a top-end Plasma TV on elephant testosterone. The verdict? Aside from being dazzled by the sight of Megan Fox's crystal-clear armpit stubble, the movie still sucked ass. You can't polish a turd.
The format is not the issue. by Shan	Aug 22nd, 2007 11:28:06 PM
What is the issue is; why don't they actually make films people want to watch?/why don't they make films that are actually any good? The number of good films lately has been rather thin on the ground, in my opinion ...
Poor, Poor Vern by Alpha Trion	Aug 22nd, 2007 11:31:07 PM
You dont get it do you? Ive been watching the box office results the last couple months and I know it kills almost everyone on this board but Transformers is one of the biggest movies this summer. everyone I talked to loved it, Ill admit I wish it wouldve been better, but for the beginning of a franchise, it did its job. Its still bigger than Harry Potter was this year, its going to overtake Pirates 3 overall and Spiderman 3 is probably the only movie that will make more money by the end of this year. I hate to use profits as a selling point, but thats what hollywood looks at and thats what determines who will get the big money to do another. I only wish michael bay would leave so we could get a good story for number 2 and not just an army/gm car commercial.
Michael Bay = Pussy by Marvel1967	Aug 22nd, 2007 11:34:25 PM
What a fuckn' fence riding asswipe.
hmmm by slkboxrman	Aug 22nd, 2007 11:36:12 PM
all i have to say is, that HD-DVD is the better format anyway and far more accessible than BluRay.... bluRay players are over-expensive and only a small percentage of studios are even putting out movies on blu-ray im just glad bay is still doing the movie
Funniest thing ever...perfect for Talkback by zacdilone	Aug 22nd, 2007 11:45:41 PM
Check it out: http://tinyurl.com/32hkmm
PORN DID NOT DECIDE THE BETA VS VHS WAR by slappy jones	Aug 23rd, 2007 12:35:50 AM
it is a complete myth based on the supposed fact that sony wouldn't allow porn to be put on beta...and that is easily dispelled by the fact that porn was readily available on beta throughout the 80's. you can go and see a ton of titles on e bay. it is a complete lie. I know it make a for a great fable but it is complete shit....there were much more realistic factors involved such as tape lengths, user friendliness - sonys caginess and stupidity being slow with licensing companies with their technology and as the home video market boomed people looked elsewhere - to the cheaper and easier to make VHS. There are a whole heap of reasons why vhs won and Porn I am sorry was not one of them.
Michael Bay to Blu Ray ala Tony Montana via his blog by SnakesOnABicycle	Aug 23rd, 2007 12:53:04 AM
You wanna play rough!? No more Transformers for anybody! I'll play! I'll play rough! You wanna see 300!? You wanna see it on HD!?? It's fucking beautiful man, it's fucking beautiful. And I don't care if they hear, cause you wanna know why I can't get Blu Ray pregnant? Cause it's belly is all rotten, and barren inside! Cause it costs $700 fucking dollars for one. Cause it's a whore! Cause it's a whoooooooore!
I want Blu-Ray to win because... by Johnno	Aug 23rd, 2007 01:15:07 AM
I'm going to purchase a PS3 to play MGS4. And if blu-ray ios out there kicking ass then that means mroe movies for me. It's nice and convenient. And I want what's convenient for me. I don't care about any of you... You picked HD-DVD? Too bad... you will have to lose for my comfort. I demand you! And as for the whole stupid porn argument. Porn is releasing on both formats. Sony staying away from porn? Then how come porn is releasing all over in Japan on blu-ray and freakin UMD? Anyway if the whole porn community crashes and burns at the center of the earth tomorrow, it wouldn't make a difference to my day. Well maybe it would... but only for the better.
Anyway the deal with paramount isn't all that... by Johnno	Aug 23rd, 2007 01:25:13 AM
It's supposedly exclusive for 18 months, almost 2 years, and doesn't include the Spielberg films. Honestly, 150 mil just landing in your lap for practically nothing is very tasty. I bet money that they won't release shit other than big bankable titles like Transformers, but I wouldn't expect them to rev up HD-DVD production either. Just a handful of titles so Toshiba has some kind of desperate newsworthy announcement on this year, their make or break holiday... Paramount will sit tight with few HD-DVD releases that should sell nicely, btu they know that despite blu-ray's enivitable win, HD sales will still not be lucrative enough for the next few years. And by then things should be better, blu-ray will eventually be the leader by a wide margin anyway, and they'll start doing blu-ray titles as well adn flooding the market with it. It'll save them time and money even if they fall behind a little. DVD will be more than enough to get them through. Why this is good for me? Sony will try harder and cut costs quicker, and hopefully next summer the PS3 will be another $100 less. The winner in the end is me. Now I'm going to go stare at more game trailers coming out at LGC this week.
Screw HD DVD & Blue Ray by D o o d	Aug 23rd, 2007 02:28:21 AM
I'm developing a system whereby you can use your old record player to play movies. I'v devised a system whereby I can record an entire 90 minutes movie onto 6 Vinyls (double sided off course).....The quality of the image is shit, 4:3 ratio, stereo and features dynamic crackles during play. WHO'S IN...??
Transformers is coming out on regular DVD, right? by MrMysteryGuest	Aug 23rd, 2007 03:03:57 AM
Right?
Flake. by deanamatronix	Aug 23rd, 2007 03:41:22 AM
And a hack. Good lord.
Michael Bay by newc0253	Aug 23rd, 2007 03:51:17 AM
I can see that a director would care strongly about (i) reaching a wide an audience as possible and (ii) having his films look as good as possible on DVD. Even Michael Frakking Bay.
TRANSFORMERS 2: MORE LIKE THE CARTOON... by Monkey_King	Aug 23rd, 2007 04:04:54 AM
That would help and please find a better voice actor for Starscream who was waaayyyyyy underused.
i dont by jimjom	Aug 23rd, 2007 04:53:00 AM
careabout what format it comes out on. i just want to see the god danm fucking movie in the theater.
I just don't want by Deathpool	Aug 23rd, 2007 05:46:46 AM
Sony to control the format. They're stupid. I don't trust them.
Noted_Cineaste Mikey_Bay- by TomBodet	Aug 23rd, 2007 06:02:29 AM
-is the hope of humanity. You know it's true.
Yes! Our Very First Transformers 2 Talkback! by Rickey Henderson	Aug 23rd, 2007 07:01:26 AM
My nipples are now hard.
jimjom by Giant Ape Balls	Aug 23rd, 2007 07:01:56 AM
Trust me, you don't. Watch it on a small screen and maybe you can work out what the hell is going on.
Does this meant that... by Bill Brasky	Aug 23rd, 2007 07:26:32 AM
Transformers 2 will be a Michael Bay directed Robo-Porn movie, shot on HD cameras exclusively released on Blu-Ray??? Money shots have to be transmission fluid...
Aint it OLD news by ricarleite	Aug 23rd, 2007 07:29:23 AM
TB usually gives you news 2-3 days before the actual website, so why bother. And regarding Mich

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So, what exactly is Michael Bay doing with TRANSFORMERS 2?