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Crazy sounding war story gets picked up by Universal! LONE SURVIVOR!!

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stupid move on the seal's part, the sas wouldve by bongo123	Aug 21st, 2007 07:10:39 AM
capped all their ass's, he just killed his men because he couldn't kill a coupla villagers, what the fuck is he doing in the supposedly ok American special forces if he can't kill a few randoms, leave it to the UK to do it right...
Uh... by Squelchy	Aug 21st, 2007 07:21:43 AM
"Luttrell made the decision to spare their lives and free them" He's the only survivor so we only have his word for that; he's hardly gonna say "I wanted to shoot the little kid in the back" Much better to say; "I decided to free them and it cost my men their lives" and come out like a martyr.
Why is this story good? by DannyOcean01	Aug 21st, 2007 08:22:49 AM
They fucked the mission up!!! Are we such fools as to believe that covert ops would allow for the sparing of innocents if it meant jeopardising the mission? Like a poster above said, you wouldn't get an SAS story like this because they would have become collateral...in an instant. Trust the Americans to turn a hopeless, assbackwards fuck up of a story like this into something stirring. This Lettrel guy killed his entire team. Well done, yaw ma hero!!!
Akiva Goldsman is AIDS spelled backwards. by Stalin vs Predator	Aug 21st, 2007 08:36:33 AM
Although at least he's not writing this. Or, more appropriately: he's not "writing" this.
confused by Arak	Aug 21st, 2007 08:40:00 AM
Umm isn't Afganistan totally landlocked? What were Navy Seals doing there in first place?
It'll be the usual american fucked up mission by bongo123	Aug 21st, 2007 09:40:06 AM
told and shot to make the guy a hero and to make everyone stand up in the cinema and punch the air while yelling U S A... U S A, arseholes, the U.S. regularly fucks up covert missions, if they arn't killing themselves there killing every fucker around them including there allies. leave it to the professionals, the U.S. special forces are generally viewed within the special forces community as all technology no brains
ITS LUTRELL AND NOT A SCREW UP! by mongo007	Aug 21st, 2007 09:56:11 AM
First post one here but I just got done reading the book and could not put it down. First the mission was solid and and what happend to those brave men was not a US screw up but a judgement call on the ground by the lead officer.I think the book is in good hands with Peter Berg. But if you can read the book its griping and one hell of a story.
Those soldiers didnt have to die, yes it was a by bongo123	Aug 21st, 2007 10:25:54 AM
judgment call, heck easy for me to say sat here nice and safe without the morality issues of whether or not to kill some kid, his dad and maybe uncle who could happen to be goat herders, but the fact remains these guys are supposedly the elite and the call shoulda been an easy one to make, the mission takes all priority and these people just got unlucky, if you have your special forces guys having morality issues in the middle of a high tension mission they shouldn't be on the job, yes normal soldiers should always treat civilians with respect but not these guys, they should be trained killers and this dude cost the lives of his fellow soldiers, i would lock him up and throw away the key
Peter Berg is awesome by godoffireinhell	Aug 21st, 2007 10:40:37 AM
It makes kittens cry that he hasn't had any real box office success yet. He's attached to some potentially great projects like that adaptation of Robert E. Howard's BRAN MAK MORN but that doesn't have a snowflake's chance in hell of getting made until he's had at least one real mainstream hit.
it wasn't morality... by Jester23	Aug 21st, 2007 11:25:46 AM
it's a little thing called "rules of engagement". Before you run your mouths on shit you don't know, read the book. he goes through the details on what they can/can't do...last thing they wanted to deal with was being brought up on war crimes for killing 3 people. Lutrell wasn't in charge - Lt. Michael Murphy was and is up for the Medal of Honor.
and yes... by Jester23	Aug 21st, 2007 11:27:30 AM
Luttrell does say they should have killed them (after the fact). Dietz was impartial, Axelson wanted to kill them, but the final call was to let them go.
Sounds really exciting! by morGoth	Aug 21st, 2007 11:32:14 AM
I'm familiar with the story already so color me excited. I like the team so far too...whoo hoo!
Yay a war movie featuring rocky terrain by SoylentMean	Aug 21st, 2007 12:08:12 PM
and a far from clearcut enemy. Although I guess if they shoot at you it's pretty easy to shrug and say "Fuck it" whilst blasting away with your weapon of choice. I'll hold off on deciding on whether or not I'll see this after I catch The Kingdom. On DVD.
Read this book last week... by spectrebeeyatch	Aug 21st, 2007 12:09:41 PM
This is weird because my friend told me about this book so I bought it and read it. Very intense a movie version of this will be insane. Four Navy Seals kill like over 200 hundred terrorists coming down a mountain. Brave guys man it's a shame that men sitting in air conditioned offices make the decisions that send these guys to their deaths. Those troops out there our true heroes at least to me.
Berg rules. by Kurzinski Valentine	Aug 21st, 2007 12:12:43 PM
THE RUNDOWN's a classic. You know this.
Don't try and knock this soldier by liljuniorbrown	Aug 21st, 2007 12:29:56 PM
I've served my country in that exact same region in 03 and I can tell you just because someone is in SP doesn't mean they are mindless heartless killing machines. There are rules of engagement to follow and those men didn't feel collectively (from what I was told) that they should have executed those herders. It's time for us to be out of the Middle East for good,bottom line.
The Kingdom by AlwaysThere	Aug 21st, 2007 12:41:34 PM
Not so awesome I guess.
Al Murray - The Pub Landlord... by spud mcspud	Aug 21st, 2007 02:24:11 PM
...talked about using the wrong type of soldiers in certain operations. He mentions the use of US Marines in the first Iraq War: "They brought in Marines. Water soldiers. In the bloody desert! I mean, at least pick the right kind of soldier! Who did we use in the desert during WW2? The Desert Rats! Clue's in the name, fellas!" Just messing, by the way. In all seriousness, I'm with liljuniorbrown. There's too much out there the West doesn't understand - if you're occupying a country but almost all your troops don't speak the language, there's your first problem. How do you know who's an insurgent and who's just a civilian? Then you make a mistake... then more mistakes... pretty soon you're shooting anyone (because you don't know one from another) and the entire country is now on side with the insurgents. All this for fucking oil... Just bring these heroes home, and fire the fucking governments that send them. Or put the politicians on the frontline. Dishonourable motherfuckers. And don't get me going on that Thief in Chief...
if they had killed the goathearders by troutpencil	Aug 21st, 2007 02:24:20 PM
Wise talkbackers would've called them murderers and put them on the hitlist they reserve for people like Mel Gibson and Don Imus. They were afraid of going to jail for violating the rules of engagement, so they let the assholes go and got slaughtered because of it, as well as 16 men in a downed helicopter that were trying to rescue them. It's ridiculous shit. If we send soldiers to war, we have to value their lives more than any collateral they encounter along the way or we might as well not send them to war at all. It's interesting stuff. The area the Seal team was dropped into should've been dealt with with airstrikes, you would think, but then we are terrified of civilian casualties and the enemy knows this. But Luttrel was saved by an Afghan village which refused to give him up to the Taliban. Maybe that village could've been part of the carnage if we had gone in with bombs, like we should've. So there's a lot more gray area than the morons in this talkback would suggest.
DannyOcean01 and bongo123 by moto	Aug 21st, 2007 03:55:29 PM
Don't speak about things you obviously know nothing about. The fact that you bring up the SAS (??) clearly states that you watch too much TV, too many movies, and think you know Spec Ops because of that. Bongo, you wrote, "the U.S. special forces are generally viewed within the special forces community as all technology no brains". That sentence dictates your ignorance and lack of intelligence. Plus, the sentence itself doesn't make sense. Are you saying U.S. Special Forces think of THEMSELVES as all technology and no brains????? Or are you speaking of other foreign spec ops thinking that??? Either way, you're wrong. If you knew ANYTHING about the Seal community, their training, their operations, etc. you'd have never written that statement. My advice, get off of your Monday Morning quarterback chair and enlist if you think you can do better. I'll see you on the beaches. Serve or shut up. Those men in that mission were casualties of war... not some American fuck up. Show some respect for the men who do the things you'd be too chicken shit to do. This isn't about our president (who is an idiot in my humble opinion), his false war in Iraq, etc. This is about men who risked their lives and followed the rules of engagement. They choose to not kill blindly under preconceived notions that the herders could POSSIBLY be Taliban. If they were no brains killers, they would have executed them on the spot. But they weren't. And its sad that the op went south on them, despite the fact that they took out so many Taliban fighters before their deaths. Again, put the video games down, turn the TV off, and enlist if you really want to know what a spec ops soldier sacrifices. Until then, your ignorance says everything about you.
I heard his story on NPR by Gargolito	Aug 21st, 2007 04:12:18 PM
hey interviewed they guy and he sounds like a real hardass http://www.npr.org/templates/s tory/story.php?storyId=1269037 9
moto by DannyOcean01	Aug 21st, 2007 04:14:49 PM
Come up with one thing that counters what I said about the SAS.
they should have just aborted the mission ... by Toe Jam	Aug 21st, 2007 05:05:24 PM
that is my gut reaction, without actually having read the book. i'm sure intelligence resources would have later located the taliban/al-qaida leader again. but i guess i'd have to read the book through to question the decision. that said, google this guy's name and tell me ryan reynolds isn't the perfect casting choice to play luttell.
I don't mind the Ryan Reynolds idea... by spud mcspud	Aug 21st, 2007 05:49:52 PM
...So long as the phrase "cock-juggling thundercunt" isn't found anywhere NEAR this script. That fucker killed the BLADE franchise dead - along with his sidekick, David "Ego" Goyer.
i remember this story by Magic Rat	Aug 21st, 2007 07:12:57 PM
one of the soldiers in his unit was from near my hometown.
this story is also an example by Magic Rat	Aug 21st, 2007 07:18:49 PM
for why you don't send the military to fight terrorists. You send the military to fight another military. You use police work and detective work and interaction between spy agencies in various allied countries to fight terrorism.
"leave it to the UK to do it right..." by Tourist	Aug 21st, 2007 08:00:54 PM
By do it right, do you mean,like the S.A.S's Andy McNab? Lose in a fire fight with a camel and some ten year old farmer, before having a panic attack, getting lost, freezing to death, getting shot while terrorizing an elderly cab driver or being captured and forced to eat feces? Strange way to define success.
Oh, and... by Tourist	Aug 21st, 2007 08:09:52 PM
...Being that these guys appear to be soldiers, as opposed to, like, fucking Gestapo or just generally inhuman monsters, the decision to potentially murder an innocent family should not be an easy one to make. Unless you want to promote an entire army of Spc. James Barker's. Just think about how you reacted to the 3000 pieces of collateral damage on sept. 11.
Realize this.... by Jester23	Aug 21st, 2007 09:36:45 PM
I could see Cole Hauser as Axelson, maybe Reynolds as Dietz, but still clueless on Murphy and Luttrell...maybe Eric Bana as Murphy...but he may be a little older. Who knows...it's tough to portray the heroes these guys were. There is a ton of info out on this operation - blackfive.net, shadowspear, etc. The plain and simple truth is that 3 (three) Navy Cross's have been awarded to Dietz, Axelson, and Luttrell - with a potential MOH recipient in Lt. Michael Murphy. These guys were not stupid, pussies, or whatever-else you guys may call them. It's real easy for an "arm-chair, hindsight QB" to give their opinion - but like the saying goes - "opinions are like assholes". Go thru the training, get your ass kicked, talk to these guys, understand that they chose to go through the hell they went through to serve our country. Then, you can judge. Take 5 minutes to do some research or $25 to buy the book - Either way, you have no right to ever, ever fucking judge what happened.
DannyOcean and the SAS by moto	Aug 21st, 2007 11:25:28 PM
Fact is Danny, it's absurd to piss on any special forces mission that went wrong, including the SAS (and there are many botched missions on their part). Most of them do in one shape or form. Sometimes it's the brass, sometimes it's politics, sometimes it's miscalculations, sometimes it's micommunication, sometimes it's bad intel, sometime's it's good 'ole natural human error. Fact is, that's the horror of war. The fundamentals of war. Shit goes wrong whether you like it or not. I find it funny that people are so quickly saying that they should have offed those herders. It's 100% proof that people who've said that play too much SoCom and watch too many movies and TV. Just like you. If you want examples of SAS fubars? Try Redback Kilo Three. Google it. Then google Basra and the Britsh SAS. I could go on, but fact is it's disrespectful to those men. You haven't been in a war zone. You haven't risked your life. You haven't taken orders that go against your instincts of self preservation, and went through with them because that's your job. So that, my friend, is why you should stick to videogames and movies. Freedom of speech is wonderful... too bad it breeds boys like you who disrespect fallen soldiers to "sound smart".
Maybe i shouldve read the book before opening by bongo123	Aug 22nd, 2007 02:13:56 AM
my gob and shouting off, usual Tuesday morning rant, my apologies to any and all armed forces talkbackers for any offense, yes the guys were in a tense situation and yes they made a judgment call that didn't turn them into murderers that unfortunately compromised their mission, my whole SAS thing was purely a dig at the whole gung-ho attitude that Hollywood portrays these sort of events as, sounds like a cool book, think ill order it, and hey as for talking unless you've experienced it, i've played airsoft, medal of honor and call of duty...on hard i know what its like
Bongo... by moto	Aug 22nd, 2007 02:31:59 AM
LOL. No problem. And those are good games, albeit you obviously don't get to take a bunch of hits, pause real time, and start over anew in real combat situations. If only that were the case. Take care...
what you cant pause in the middle of a firefight!? WTF! by bongo123	Aug 22nd, 2007 04:58:40 AM
are you guys nuts going into a situation without the possibility of pausing the action and going and brewing a cuppa... jeeze you nutters. In all seriousness i read a lot of war books and cannot comprehend how in the hell anyone can go into those situations and by far the craziest and bravest was those two delta guys from black hawk down that went to try and help those pilots, if it was me, i would've pulled everyone out and nuked the fuck outa mog
Bravo Two Zero aka Bongo123 is a tosser... by GrandMuffTarkin	Aug 22nd, 2007 10:11:40 PM
Bongo, before you continue chattering on about "the SAS doing it right", maybe you should read a book or two. Fucktard.
Grandmuff you pleb, you maybe shouldve by bongo123	Aug 23rd, 2007 06:10:23 AM
read the bit where i apologized for my initial and uncalled for rant but ehhhh your a knobhead so i wouldn't expect you to understand as for bravo two zero read it including the one that got away and numerous other ones but its widely known that the SAS kick all shades of shit out of the American special forces but lets not get into a tit for tat eh ;)
Lt. Murphy by modan5776	Sep 27th, 2007 10:05:06 PM
In response to the blogs by Jester 23 guessing on actors for the four SEALs, I think Matt Damon for Navy SEAL Lt. Michael P. Murphy and need a big guy for Marcus at 6'5"....maybe Ben Affleck..since Damon & Affleck are friends.

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