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Quint talks SAW IV with Jigsaw himself, Mr. Tobin Bell!!!

why cant they bring michael by 40ozToFreedom	Aug 12th, 2007 11:35:37 AM
why cant they bring michael emerson back? they're bringing everyone else back from the dead.
wow by 40ozToFreedom	Aug 12th, 2007 11:36:21 AM
an unintentional first.
He was great... by JackPumpkinhead	Aug 12th, 2007 11:41:53 AM
...as the Unabomber!
fourth by weaponx31	Aug 12th, 2007 11:46:18 AM
!!!!!!!!
SAW SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!! by lost.rules	Aug 12th, 2007 11:54:12 AM
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I didn't think the first Saw was that bad but, by Transmetropolitan	Aug 12th, 2007 12:00:56 PM
the other 2 suck.
Kristen Bell Interview....yes. by mrtwig48	Aug 12th, 2007 12:01:08 PM
Damnit....fucking Tobin bell?!?
hmmm by gerbalBOY	Aug 12th, 2007 12:02:20 PM
...that was boring...
No offense Tobin by mrtwig48	Aug 12th, 2007 12:03:12 PM
No Veronica on Lost sucks.
The Saw series was old and tired halfway through... by rbatty024	Aug 12th, 2007 12:07:43 PM
the first movie.
There's a Saw 4? by Jakes Nel	Aug 12th, 2007 12:08:33 PM
Yet people complained about Hostel 2. Geez...
Bells I'd rather you interviewed by Garbageman33	Aug 12th, 2007 12:13:18 PM
Kristen, Catherine, Alexander Graham, the list goes on and on...
the saw movies are entertaining but... by billyhitchcock	Aug 12th, 2007 12:54:15 PM
...spouting pseudo-intellectual bullshit about the nature of death just to shoe-horn out another sequel is fucking deplorable!
I only saw the first saw. by Gilkuliehe	Aug 12th, 2007 12:54:28 PM
And didn't like what I saw. At all. All I remember is shitty acting, phoney Seven "atmosphere" and annoying as fuck avid farts. The big tie-all twist came and everybody was pleased. Except for me... I knew better. Crap, it was. Never saw the others saw, never will.
Best thing about Saw: Tobin Bell finally gets attention by DerLanghaarige	Aug 12th, 2007 01:11:31 PM
He's been "Hey, I know that guy from somewhere" way too long.
That shark has a dick. by losder	Aug 12th, 2007 01:30:08 PM
n/t
Quint: We love all movies. by tonagan	Aug 12th, 2007 01:56:28 PM
Shouldn't the proper reply have been "we complain about all movies"? Because that happens a lot. It does.
These movies are terrible by JackIsLost	Aug 12th, 2007 02:02:04 PM
No matter how much AICN wants to pretend otherwise.
SAW sucks... by vezner2007	Aug 12th, 2007 02:10:12 PM
and so does other torture porn like Hostel and the like. Who the hell comes up with this shit? Whatever happened to the good horror films like Alien, Friday the 13th part 1, A Nightmare on Elm Street part 1, Halloween (the original), and etc? Hell, even the original Child's Play was better than the shit we get now days. Now those were some good horror films and it's a shame that all writers can think of now days is torture and gore. Whatever happened to good atmosphere and scares? I yawn at the crap hollywood produces now days.
there was a Saw 3? by 1908LOL	Aug 12th, 2007 02:19:02 PM
isn't the first one like a year and a half old?
Gotta love it by lowman	Aug 12th, 2007 02:40:28 PM
You complain that they dont make movies like they used to, but if they made one like they used to you would just complain that they are just ripping off all the classic movies and that they cant come up with anything original! The first SAW was great but 2 and 3 were ok. The difference between Hostel and SAW was great acting, a good story and great twist at the end. The series has gone down hill since then, but Shawnee Smith is hot!
No discussion of THE KILL POINT? by epitone	Aug 12th, 2007 02:44:44 PM
I would have liked to hear a few words on his work on that, since it's probably the best thing on TV right now.
Saw series "not bad" shock horror by mrbong	Aug 12th, 2007 02:46:40 PM
The "Saw" films would appear to be coming along to make sure there is at least one horror-ish film on display at cinemas every Halloween. as they are not really bad films, despite being no classics, i do not see the harm in them. rather the Saw films than the vile trash that is the "Hostel" films - please let there be no more of them.
Yay, another SAW movie by Vamp-AICNchat	Aug 12th, 2007 03:18:28 PM
ZZZZZzzzzz
They should call it.... by Vamp-AICNchat	Aug 12th, 2007 03:19:19 PM
SAW IT 4 TIMES ALREADY
Saw was by emeraldboy	Aug 12th, 2007 03:22:07 PM
a sub sven knock off. with a great baddy and that ending. wow. but I have no interest in seeing the rest. Its like watching mid sommer murders. The first series was fresh but now its old and tired. SPeaking of bloody crime dramas the writer of Frost Died over the weekend. RD Wignfield. once something becomes routine its time to give up. Its called the wes craven effect.
Saw was by emeraldboy	Aug 12th, 2007 03:22:11 PM
a sub seven knock off. with a great baddy and that ending. wow. but I have no interest in seeing the rest. Its like watching mid sommer murders. The first series was fresh but now its old and tired. SPeaking of bloody crime dramas the writer of Frost Died over the weekend. RD Wignfield. once something becomes routine its time to give up. Its called the wes craven effect.
Seems like all these torture porn flicks... by JackIsLost	Aug 12th, 2007 03:30:29 PM
Are tanking at the BO recently and hopefully Saw 4 will do the same...
"good stories are made of character and relationship" by Trader Groucho 2	Aug 12th, 2007 03:40:20 PM
God willing, this guy will actually start listening to himself....
fiester by Halfbreedqueen	Aug 12th, 2007 03:45:04 PM
they sorta explain it for the sequels, because he has amanda, but yeah there's a lot that doesn't make sense. i'm in the middle about the SAW movies... they aren't terrible, aren't great. i enjoy them, but there's nothing to go back to. i would put them WAY over the Hostel movies just because they are better paced, have more going on, and just feel... better. they aren't scary, and maybe they're even silly. but Hostel is just dumb silly, like, I waisted all my time for that? plus I hate Roth's directorial style.
Yobo by supersize	Aug 12th, 2007 04:50:43 PM
How would that not count?
fiester by Bouncy X	Aug 12th, 2007 05:26:02 PM
watch 2 and 3, actually you dont even need 3...so watch part 2 and your answer is there.
the politics of torture porn... by s0nicdeathmonkey	Aug 12th, 2007 05:30:46 PM
Here is an essay/review of Turistas I wrote. It's mostly about the torture porn genre. The current crop of so called "torture porn" films are to be expected. A situation like that shown in the phenomenally popular "Hostel" and "Saw" franchises is a reaction to stresses of the world. Tom Savini famously commented that all of his effects work was based on what he saw, and took meticulous photographs of, in the Vietnam War. The prevalence of the Slasher genre in the 80's is often seen as a reflection of the societal backlash from the sexually open hippy era to a point where sex was again something to be feared. The slasher, reinforcing these values was a creation of cold war paranoia. Freddy, Jason and Michael were just manifestations of the seemingly indestructible force of communism—a monolithic beast ready to destroy the All-American kids and take away the future of an entire generation. In the slasher films the enemy was clear and the motivation was simple because America knew "They" were the bad guys and we were the good guys. Things were clear cut and there was a linear path between problem and solution. That is no longer the case. Today, we have been weaned on paranoia. Anyone could be a "sleeper-cell" hiding in our neighborhood. Anyone we pass on the street could be planning to make some homemade explosive and put it in his or her shoe. The enemy is no longer a nation. No longer some clear cut "Them" whom we can gather together to hate. We have been taught that the Muslim faith is not the enemy (while simultaneously told that it more or less is) and that we cannot possibly try to fight a war against the religion. So what are we left with? "Saw" and "Hostel" and "Turistas" especially all deal with this problem. Where once the teenagers who had committed some sin would be punished while the sober virgin would survive now the victim is most often a completely innocent person. Also, the murder is not its own end any longer, the torture that comes first more than the inevitable final blow is the focus. Terrorism works this same way. It is not the number of people killed, it is the fear this instills in those still alive. It is important to note the prevalence of the idea of games in these films. From an outside perspective, there is a sort of art and beauty to the simplicity of the 9/11 attacks. The most effective moments in the "Saw" films recreate this effect. Basic tools turned against their makers. A child's clay made into a facsimile of a bomb. Box-knives into weapons used to kill thousands. A videogame as instruction. All of these become puzzle-pieces to the twisted games of the madmen on screen in these "torture" films. And the monster is no longer some giant oaf. He is smarter than you, and in the case of Jigsaw and the Doctor in "Turistas" he is going to literally convert you to his way of thinking. To ignore the messages of a film like "Turistas" or any of the other torture based horror films is to ignore what could well be the central problem of our modern world. Horror films are one of the most telling signs of what a society is grappling with at any given moment, even as, or perhaps because, they are rarely appreciated until generations later. "Turistas" is the latest entry into the torture horror subgenre. However, unlike its predecessors, this film seems almost uninteresting in its' gory bits. There is a feeling of an adventure chase film from the 80's with organ removal added onto it. Like many similar films, "Turistas" starts off with some somewhat developed main characters traveling abroad and finding their way into what amounts to a Venus fly trap. Here, the twenty-somethings are Caucasian tourists in Brazil who are abducted by an evil doctor who wants to take their organs so that they can "give back" to the country they are taking so much from. When this film was released there was some talk of it being racist or unfair to Brazilians. But to interpret the film in this manner would be to deeply undersell its point. Ultimately, this is a film about xenophobia. Brazil is used as a sort of shorthand for the protagonists eroticizing foreign culture while extolling their own ethnocentrism and assuming that the locals will just do whatever is requested because of the European nation's dominance in South America. One man sleeps with a woman presuming she must want him because he is a foreigner and is shocked to discover that she is a prostitute and wanted him for his money. The underlying irony is that in either situation, her agenda is identical. It is also worth noting that only one of the main characters even bothered to learn Portuguese, while the others continually yell in broken Spanish, unaware of their own idiocy. "Turistas" deals with deep seeded issues of disenfranchisement and subjugation. The organs taken from the youths are little more than extensions of Shylock's demand for a pound of flesh. The Brazilian characters are almost never subtitled and most of the discomfort and terror that an audience is likely to feel results from our collective ignorance of foreign cultures. The assumption that people outside of our own circle of European white culture are somehow less civilized or boorish is played off of to great effect. Our own ethnocentrism is challenged with the character of "Kiko" who is at first played for comic relief because of his fractured English. He seems almost slow or "special" if you will. As the story progresses however, he is shown to be the moral center of the feature, choosing to protect the protagonists from a fate too terrible for words. This is certainly the best looking of the torture horror films (thanks to the steady directorial hand of John Stockwell) and for as much as it has been compared to "Hostel" and "Saw" it is more derivative of "The Texas Chainsaw Massacre" than anything else. Even with these faults and the added baggage of abundant brutality towards women and some logical jumps in the narrative, "Turistas" stands on its own as an above average thriller thanks to its claustrophobic and tense final act where the surviving characters desperately try escape through a series of underwater tunnels. The tension is palpable and effect is gripping. "Turistas" is not a revolutionary film but it is definitely underrated (IMDB currently has it listed at a 3.0 average). There are some excellent set pieces and plenty to think about if you look beneath the surface.
Regarding Turistas by Forsakyn	Aug 12th, 2007 05:40:50 PM
I thought the underwater stuff in Turistas was the most ridiculous aspect of the film. Were they all in the Navy Seals program prior? They could hold their breath an incredibly long time, not panic in what should've been pitch-black water for the most part (yes, I know they had flashlights), and so forth. It was pretty silly.
Wnanahara7, you're an ass by prunkhaft	Aug 12th, 2007 05:47:17 PM
there is no "philosophy" begind the saw films. They're made quickly and cheaply and generate a ton of money. Not because they are good but because teenagers like seeing horror films in the fall. Jigsaw is a mediocre villain with half baked reasoning behind his actions. I have no axe to grind with the series, but lets not make the movies out to be more than they are. btw, the little girl starves to death.
a little much sOnicdeathmonkey by prunkhaft	Aug 12th, 2007 05:49:23 PM
but interesting nonethless.
Tobin Bell: kill point by palewook	Aug 12th, 2007 06:25:30 PM
is in killpoint, which is on tonight.
Gus van Rant has made the most insightful point so far. by Jakes Nel	Aug 12th, 2007 06:33:48 PM
meh...
spreading some seeds by prunkhaft	Aug 12th, 2007 06:34:59 PM
I don't think I was flaming from the getgo, just hard not to think of someone who thinks the saw movies are interesting and philisophical as anything other than an ass. But you're right, and I apologize. Also, sOnics essay was interesting because it discussed the genre more than it defended a mediocre series. Interesting asses is more of an oxymoron anyhow.
I liked all 3 Saw flicks by performingmonkey	Aug 12th, 2007 06:52:25 PM
The best you can hope for from a horror flick now is that they're at least entertaining, even if they're not fantastically great. I thought the first Saw was great and the other two entertaining, which is more than can be said for, let's see, 90% of horror flicks from the last 10 years.
It never ends... by Kragmose	Aug 12th, 2007 06:55:02 PM
But Tobin Bell's good, at least the best thing about those horrible movies.
SAW in SPACE by shankman69	Aug 12th, 2007 07:11:48 PM
its only a matter of time. and did i actually see someone say they miss Freddy and Jason? what a homo.
Goddamned self-absorbed old FART!!!! by darrenspool	Aug 12th, 2007 07:52:18 PM
Goddamn shit-boring crap he drones on about. Fuck, trying to make Saw intellectual when it's supposed to be merely fun. I would've walked out. "Have you seen the Saw movies?" "What's AICN?" "Is this your first time at Comic-Con or what?" FAGGOT! If he doesn't know these things, he doesn't know what people want to hear.
Reviews of all 3 Saw films by pinkfloyd2000	Aug 12th, 2007 08:14:06 PM
Saw: Halfway interesting premise, some of the worst acting ever (Cary Elwes), but watchable. Saw II: Utter shit. Borderline unwatchable, but I somehow made it through the entire film. Saw III: I lasted for about 15 minutes before turning it off. Completely unwatchable.
Poor Tobin Bell by Captain Mal	Aug 12th, 2007 09:41:09 PM
Every interview I read, he seems to be quietly screaming, "I'm a REAL actor! Honest! I've done good work, I swear!" As for the "Saw" films, the first one was boring, the second one was mind-numbingly cliched, but the third... well, I won't say it was good, but I confess I was impressed by the amount of the thought that was put into it. It would've been very easy to say, "These kids just want the gore--bring on the buckets," but they actually made an attempt to tie the trilogy together and create an interesting character conflict. Wasn't deep or mind-blowing, but it was heartening to see that someone out there in horror-land actually gives a shit about story.
I think darrenspool hit the nail on the head. by GQtaste	Aug 12th, 2007 09:51:58 PM
This old dude sounded like a pretentious prick if you ask me.
Time for Saw Vs Leprechaun by CuervoJones	Aug 13th, 2007 01:05:07 AM
Saw in Space, Saw Vs Demonic Toys...
Saw: oblIVion by CuervoJones	Aug 13th, 2007 01:10:01 AM
I miss Phantasm...
yeah, yeah.... "Saw IV" ... so anyway.... by The_Deathticle	Aug 13th, 2007 01:39:43 AM
Sorry about being off topic, but shouldn't the new Harry animation have some kind of punchline or at least feature Harry?
"I’ve worked with some great directors" by Stollentroll	Aug 13th, 2007 02:04:51 AM
= Standard line for actors who never made it
Would it violate Dr. Kevorkian's probation... by BurnHollywood	Aug 13th, 2007 02:22:18 AM
...To do in a movie franchise? Please?
Wnanahara7 by MignolaFan	Aug 13th, 2007 02:46:52 AM
When you say intellectual you mean for a 5th grader right? I swear I had a 12 year old who I talked about the saw series with at the video store I work out and he sounded just like you. It is bad writing trying to be intellectual, the only good one in the series was 1 and even it fucked itself over in the last minute by showing us who the villain was. The film would have been much superior if it ended after we find out zeph isn't the killer, roll credits after the recording in his pocket plays. Not to mention the doctor said how dead the guy looked, but oh wait doc you were fooled by a sickly cancer patient who hates the world. That was such a huge whole in the script, it is embarassing that it took them till saw 3 to finally say he used a muscle relaxent. There is actually a comic that explains jigsaw's motives more, which is alright but still a pretty lame villain with a lame backstory, they should have left the killer a mystery and waited till number 2 to ruin the fucking story.
spelling and grammar by MignolaFan	Aug 13th, 2007 02:51:31 AM
apologies on both, I am typing with one hand and corrections are a pain.
I like the SAW movies! by dr sauch	Aug 13th, 2007 04:46:48 AM
They're great fun around halloween, everyone looks foward to them for a good two hour nonsense/violence/plot-twist fest, and i think it's pretty cool that they're trying (stress trying) to keep them fresh and scary. But I have to agree, I think that this guy takes them a little too seriously.
How about some decent copy-editing on these interviews? by Steve Rogers	Aug 13th, 2007 05:55:25 AM
Sersiously guys, these things are almost friggin' impossible to read. "It's like... I know the audience wants things to be... I said before in [BLANK MOVIE] that I had to... well obviously...". The damn things are full of holes and ... and they are frustrating as hell to slog through because it feels like no one ever finishes a point! The Robert Downey Jnr interview recently was exactly the same. Edit stuff out, or even use the old sqaure parentheses when people aren't being clear [about what they mean], if the interviewer understands what the point is. You might get it because you were sat in the room with them but to most readers half the transcript stuff is gibberish. Please, for the luvva Pete, start doing some decent samn copy-editing on these interviews, Quint.
And obviously the same person... by Steve Rogers	Aug 13th, 2007 05:56:27 AM
could edit my typos above. Thanks. ;-)
El Santo Vs Saw by CuervoJones	Aug 13th, 2007 06:15:56 AM
Cabrones!
Tobin Bell has always been an interesting... by Sledge Hammer	Aug 13th, 2007 06:35:19 AM
...and underused character actor, and personally I'm glad that he's finally getting some time in the sun with the Saw films, the guy has earnt it. And hating on a guy for taking his job seriously, just because you don't personally value the films that he's making, honestly that seems pretty fucking low guys, especially when many of you will praise a different actor for acting the exact same way and taking his work seriously when you approve of that actors filmography. My thoughts anyway.
Thanks for this by Abominable Snowcone	Aug 13th, 2007 07:25:28 AM
I like the Saw films. The first was a jaw-dropper. The sequels have problems, but overall the series was entertaining for me. My problem is, the story plays out like we're supposed to sympathize with Jigsaw, like a part of us is supposed to understand that he's doing these people (the victims)a favor. He says he's not a murderer, but fact is almost no one has a good chance of escaping alive, let alone not gruesomely harmed. Only Amanda's 'game' gave her a way out that didn't involve harming herself.
Torture Porn Rocks my Cocks!! by godoffireinhell	Aug 13th, 2007 08:46:33 AM
Nothing like a weeking girl having her guts torn out. S-L-O-W-L-Y. Through her vagina. Fuck, that shit makes me cum in my pants.
Freddy and Jason by sammylou	Aug 13th, 2007 08:54:52 AM
I like when people go "What happened to good old horror films like Friday the 13th Pt.1 and Nightmare on Elm Street Pt.1" What's funny is these movies are cut from the same cloth. Now, I love "Friday" and "Nightmare," but don't act like horror\slasher films have fallen from this golden pedestal of amazing, smart, filmaking.
Love the first Saw by jackalcack	Aug 13th, 2007 10:12:12 AM
Shit acting admittedly but nevertheless a compelling story and cracking ending. Thought parts 2 and 3 were utterly unwatchable shite. Tobin Bell sounds like he takes himself a bit too seriously.
quite enjoyed part 1 by Lost Prophet	Aug 13th, 2007 10:53:29 AM
despite myself. HATED the other 2 with a vengenace
Fucking Stephen Sommers is directing G.I.Joe . . . by Nice Marmot	Aug 13th, 2007 11:06:19 AM
My 80s childhood is being ass-raped!!!
The Only Reason There's 'Torture Porn' Movies by skoobyx	Aug 13th, 2007 01:30:38 PM
The only real reason anyway is 'Audition' by Takashi Miike, which is a genuine classic and far beyond any Hollywood knockoff in recent memory. Just as all horror movies were like 'Psycho' for a while or 'Halloween' for awhile you have filmakers imitating a movie they are into. Miike even has a cameo in 'Hostel' "You could spend....ALL your money." I've never heard anyone else who noticed that.
Prunkhaft by Abominable Snowcone	Aug 13th, 2007 01:34:30 PM
Yeah, I hope you were kidding. If not, you ruined it. How'd you like someone to shit on a movie you cared about? I hope you wake up to find yourself wearing a spring-loaded venus flytrap spike mask of death.
Wasn't the girl dying implied? by prunkhaft	Aug 13th, 2007 01:53:38 PM
I don't care enought to subject myself to another viewing, but at the end of three jigsaw dies, and nobody finds out where she is hidden. Doesn't everyone die? I thought it was clear she would just starve because nobody listened to jigsaw. I don't know anything about the plot of saw 4 so I don't know if she somehow get rescued or not. who cares? Is the story really so great that it would ruin it for you to know something like that?
stephen sommers isn't directing g.i. joe by prunkhaft	Aug 13th, 2007 03:30:16 PM
but don't expect spielberg to be doing it.
An actor, especially in a series of genre movies by skimn	Aug 13th, 2007 03:40:50 PM
never hearing of AICN? How refreshing.....
Brion James(R.I.P) and Tobin Bell are both unsung by Stuntcock Mike	Aug 13th, 2007 03:54:02 PM
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To the Freddy and Jason haters... by vezner2007	Aug 13th, 2007 04:20:57 PM
Just for the record, I never once said that the Friday the 13th or the Nightmare on Elm Street movies were incredible examples of "smart" film making. What I did say was that they were much better "horror films" than the likes of torture porn movies like Saw and Hostel. I mean seriously, what's the point of Saw and Hostel other than to make people cringe at the grotesque imagery on the screen? That's not horror, it's just there to gross people out and thus it has earned the name "torture porn". The last time I checked, horror films were meant to scare the shit out of me. Well I haven't had a movie truly scare the shit out of me since the class horror films of the 80s. Hell, even Scream is a much better horror film than Saw is and I personally thought Scream was weak in comparison to the classics.
Hell, even Doom was scarier than Saw... by vezner2007	Aug 13th, 2007 04:24:36 PM
There, I said it. :P
Jigsaws commentary on society by prunkhaft	Aug 13th, 2007 05:33:37 PM
Now I'm pretty sure you're fucking around Wnanahara7. You got me.
Memories of Murder... by skoobyx	Aug 13th, 2007 05:44:49 PM
I wasn't talking smack. Of course a lot of AICN'ers are onto him, I was just pointing out that no one seems to take how much that movie influenced the current wave of American horror flicks into account. There was this whole essay by a film critic on MSN about it and I couldn't believe how off topic he was. BTW does he appear in any of his films? Can't remember...
Seeing Green by lagomorph	Aug 13th, 2007 06:11:36 PM
I have as much trouble believing that the Shrek series was conceived as a 5 movie series as I do that Saw isn't just playing it by ear at this point. However, I enjoyed the three movies for what they were, and I think the storytelling works in all three movies. The twist in 2 was particularly gruesome and shocking -even if you did get a premonition of how it would go down before it did.
Wnanahara7 by prunkhaft	Aug 13th, 2007 06:18:28 PM
No shit it's spelled out. This series aint the Pilgrims Progress, this series consists of poor to mediocre movies designed to make money. Nothing wrong with that. Jigsaws POV being interesting and philisophical is what I took umbrage with. Mignolafan pointed out that 12yr olds (primary audience) are usually the only group that would find Jigsaws motives high minded. Btw, I've been diagnosed with cancer twice and and Jigsaws POV could only be plausible to someone who has little to no experience with life with cancer. Like perhaps an average twelve year old.
i dont know wnanahara7 by chamayo	Aug 13th, 2007 07:47:46 PM
i gotta agree with prunkhat. i love the all the saws, but they're just dumb fun i don't think there are any life messages in there. also im with both you and soylentmean on trickrtreat. love going back to tales from the darkside/creepshow format. it's all in the same town at the same time though right? the preview isnt that clear.
Saw is not playing it by ear by s0nicdeathmonkey	Aug 14th, 2007 12:15:45 AM
they signed the writers up for parts 4-6 at once. I got the impression that they pitched a 3 film arc.
Was wondering why he didn't name drop Ridley Scott by FILMFUNK	Aug 14th, 2007 04:40:47 AM
And Bladerunner then realised Leon was played by Brion James! Oh well at least he's able to delude himself that the scripts he reads and doesn't even seem to understand or bother to make sure make any sense are worth doing because they somehow probe the bigger questions of life after death etc instead of actually being just another excuse to wring a few more dollars from a franchise that tickles gore hungry kids just like the Freddy and Jason sequels which also had reasonable originals but spawned ever increasingly rediculous franchises!
No The Babysitter Seduction questions? For shame! by Big Bad Clone	Aug 14th, 2007 04:22:49 PM
Seriously, I liked his performance in what other wise is a fairly standard Lifetime movie. Also, Keri Russell is hot.
Once again... by cellulingus	Aug 14th, 2007 07:41:56 PM
Who gives a fuck? This series started recycling itself at SAW 2. How much interest could there be in SAW 4? The third remake of SAW 1? And as for Tobin Bell...he's an actor. What he thinks is irrelevant. He does what the script tells him. He's only being covered because the SAW films made money. If the first SAW had tanked, would his opinion be sought? Jesus!
The 3rd One... by Judge Briggs	Aug 14th, 2007 10:20:21 PM
... had some really brutal deaths. I def. cringed like seeing the results of 2004.

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