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JOHN FROM CINCINNATI!!

First!! by MoseSchrute	Aug 12th, 2007 12:48:56 AM
Sorry, just had to. Hope this show amounts to something by tonight.
I expect maybe one more season. by Bungion Boy	Aug 12th, 2007 01:18:29 AM
I used to work at HBO back in the days of Carnivale. They seem to feel around the office that strange shows that take time for the audience to get into deserve at least 2 seasons. Except in the case of Lucky Louie of course. I'm still pissed that they let that go. Writing ads for that show was one of the most enjoyable things I ever did.
Carnivale got two seasons... by Nate Champion	Aug 12th, 2007 01:39:43 AM
So I expect JFC will as well. So we can all be left hanging yet again. Can't wait!!!
I think John is a robot by RokurGepta	Aug 12th, 2007 02:53:34 AM
I really do
I've given up on this shit fest. by Penetron	Aug 12th, 2007 07:04:27 AM
I've watched every episode and given the show the benefit of the doubt. But sweet Jesus, this what a waste of great actors. Milch must've been freebasing tons of coke when he came up with this show. And Rebecca DeMornay screeches her lines so much my dog went deaf. I'd rather watch two hours of Al Swearengen picking his nose than this tripe. Thank you.
This what a waste? by Penetron	Aug 12th, 2007 07:05:53 AM
sorry about that. I'm not dumb. I'm not!
Penetron by Hercules	Aug 12th, 2007 08:17:12 AM
You've watched every episode but you're bailing out only hours before the finale airs???
I find it interesting by WASPFAN	Aug 12th, 2007 08:36:32 AM
A show that is arguably more intelligent than I even know (I have no idea what they are getting at) and yet it keeps me intrigued as hell every fuckn week to try to figure out what the hell is going on.. “Baptize that fuckin pistol sissy” -- Outstanding shit... I think…Tonight better pay off…
No 2nd season... by Alientoast	Aug 12th, 2007 09:03:49 AM
...=Deadwood movies? Yes Please.
HBO IS DEAD - LONG LIVE FX and SHOWTIME (AMC?) by Bluereader	Aug 12th, 2007 09:17:43 AM
It's been a couple of years since HBO was had any real balls and put on a ground-breaking show but thank the gods that the other cable networks are picking up the slack. Just look at Mad Men of AMC. A few years back this show would have had one possible home - HBO. But slowly but surely, HBO has lost their advantage and I'm not sure that they'll ever get it back, which is good news to me because I can stop paying for HBO. What HBO needs to do is to dig deep into their Time-Warner pockets and give viewers a show that is GROUND BREAKING! For example, we hear Lucas is doing multiple Star Wars TV shows, how about HBO doing a Middle Earth TV show? Tolkien created a whole world that has only been touched upon. If HBO brought that to the small screen, they'd get my money!
John is not a freaking robot by c4andmore	Aug 12th, 2007 09:53:57 AM
He divides himself and has magic pants, ergo...not a robot
I've watched the first eight episodes by Charlie Murphy	Aug 12th, 2007 09:55:31 AM
and really enjoyed the first few, but I think it was episode six that ended with John gathering all the characters at the motel, was so fucked up, I haven't regained my initial enthusiasm for the show. Hopefully episode nine will be on my "on demand" feature tonight so I can watch the finale as well. ps-- Flight of the Conchords deserves more fucking recognition around here. it's great.
Where's Rome's 3rd Season? by lost.rules	Aug 12th, 2007 10:08:29 AM
Fuck HBO!
Penetron by Al Swearengen	Aug 12th, 2007 10:16:42 AM
Two hours of nose pickin' it is. Feel free to help yourself to some whiskey and half-price pussy.
Rebecca DeMornay screaming for an hour straight by YackBacker	Aug 12th, 2007 10:28:00 AM
That's how I describe this show to newbies. Who the hell thought this show was a good idea? What a bust.
Why the Joe Strummer quote? by MrEkoLetMeLive	Aug 12th, 2007 12:11:05 PM
I admit, I haven't been watching the show. Milch's recent reveal that he has no idea where it's going didn't do much to sway me either. I mean, I watch Lost for fuck's sake. I'm not about to start bogging myself down with another open ended mystery show filled with bizarre symbolism. And then Herc has to go and include a Joe Strummer song quote at the start of this article. WHY? Someone tell me! Is Joe Strummer somehow an influence on the show? Do they use his music? I must know! Help me Talkbackers, you're my only hope.
While there are some lame by Mazzke	Aug 12th, 2007 12:11:13 PM
While there are some lame Flight of the Concords episodes, there are some INSANELY funny moments. It really should be getting more attention. The only show that I think will bring as much funny to the table is "It's Always Sunny in Philadelpha" which is coming back next month I think. crosses fingers As for "John From Cincinnati", I, like most people, am mildy entertained by the show but would MUCH, MUCH, MUCH prefer another season of the absolutely riveting Deadwood. Hell, I'd prefer a spin-off with Chandra West (hottie whoplays Tina the porn mom) 'screaming' for an hour instead of Sissy.
Finish Deadwood, cocksuckers! by Atticus Finch	Aug 12th, 2007 12:17:52 PM
Anyone at HBO who decides to not finish Deadwood sucks cock by choice!
Why the Joe Strummer quote? by Avengerdude	Aug 12th, 2007 12:20:51 PM
Because Joe wrote and performed the theme tune. I love this show and so do all the people in the UK that have downloaded it. I was quite surprised that it hadn't caught on in the USA. Is this a Europe/USA thing? We quite like the surreal over here.
Oh, I love the surreal by MrEkoLetMeLive	Aug 12th, 2007 12:27:18 PM
Don't get me wrong. I just like to know (at least in the case of a TV show I'm going to devote a portion of my life to) that it's all going somewhere. Shit, Milch. Even if you DON'T at least lie to me. But Johnny Appleseed is the theme song, eh? Fuck. I might have to check this out now.
Bring back "Not Necessarily The News" and "Real Sex" by MrMysteryGuest	Aug 12th, 2007 12:32:21 PM
Really the two best shows on HBO, IMO! :)
YackBacker Nailed It by Harrigan	Aug 12th, 2007 01:12:07 PM
I also gave this show a shot. But about two episodes ago Rebecca DeMornay started swearing and being so fucking annoying I hit stop and gave up on it. With her character yelling and the creator saying he had no idea where the show was going - I realized they are making me look like an idiot trying to pretend like I know what is happening. I'd rather listen to KellyAnne from the Real World. Boyeee.
Fuck JFC, give me "Al From Fuckin' Deadwood"!!! by Darth Bauer	Aug 12th, 2007 01:12:31 PM
Make the movies, Milch!!!
John... by Grendy	Aug 12th, 2007 01:31:14 PM
I love the dialog on that show. I love that the two thugs are our newest incarnations of Rosencrantz and Guildenstern. I am okay with not knowing it all be the end of the season. I don't like the screeching either, but I am sure some day it will stop and she'll have to account for all her horrid behavior to everyone. I love Ed O'Neal in this, jesus christ, jesus christ....
A point of divergence by Pabodie	Aug 12th, 2007 01:46:56 PM
I love that this show is so polarizing. In the vast wasteland of TV, I see such foment as a very positive sign. Art is supposed to engage our emotions. All of them. I also love the show. Milch is very wise to not know where he's going with it (if that's true). It means he's blazing a trail and hoping some of us will follow it. God bless him and whomever at HBO has the wontons to greenlight such a risky show. Double blessings if it gets MUCH DESERVED second season.
Diverge this by Harrigan	Aug 12th, 2007 02:18:10 PM
Yes, Ed O'Neal is the man. But I'm not buying into this nonsense and pretending like you enjoy this "art". Hey, if you want me to take a shit in a box and mark it guaranteed, I will.
I'll watch the finale by Rinse	Aug 12th, 2007 02:48:22 PM
and something big better happen tonight that pulls at least some of this stuff together. If it just ambles along for another hour and fades to black, they can cancel the second season.
I like the show a lot but......... by GreatCzarsGhost	Aug 12th, 2007 03:43:07 PM
we need some reveals about John if HBO wants to hold viewers over to a second season. There's been a lot of reveals about characters in the show which is cool and probably the intent but John is the true mystery of the show and so far we know almost nothing about him.
Never thought I'd see the day by beefywhore	Aug 12th, 2007 03:59:56 PM
when Showtime is putting higher quality programming than HBO, but Weeds, Bullshit, and Dexter are it. At least Entourage is good and Flight of the Conchord is entertaining...but I'm sure HBO will cancel those within the next year...sigh
Countdown To SOPRANOS Spin Off In T-Minus 3, 2, 1... by LaserPants	Aug 12th, 2007 04:05:07 PM
Anyone wanna lay bets on when HBOs gonna do it? Most likely without David Chase?
Deadwood v JFC by NudeandAroused	Aug 12th, 2007 04:06:27 PM
I have a feeling that Deadwood has run its course. Is it possible that a brilliant show like Deadwood, left at the right time? I don't think that there is anyone who believes that Deadwood sucks. Is it possible that, like Barry Sanders, Deadwood left when it is was at its best? As far as JFC goes. It sure has its brilliance. i would like to see more of it before really committing or blowing it off.
A mystery show with no clue where it's going? by lost.rules	Aug 12th, 2007 05:10:03 PM
MMMmmmmmmmm.... Sounds like I've seen this before...But what show was it?
HBO by Prefect Maximus	Aug 12th, 2007 06:08:48 PM
Bring FUCKING DEADWOOD AND ROME back now!!!
For that matter... by Judge Briggs	Aug 12th, 2007 07:27:50 PM
bring back and fucking finish Carnivale too!
i don't know butchie instead by Charlie Murphy	Aug 12th, 2007 07:59:20 PM
i watched episode nine earlier today, and i'm less enthused about tonight's finale than before. i'll still be tuning in, but i'm more confused by the scene. all this talk about the show being "too smart" is total bullshit. sure, if the mysteries are revealed tonight, we'll be able to go back through previous episodes and maybe see clues, but that doesn't mean you have to be smart to watch it. people with higher IQs won't enjoy hearing someone talking about dumping out any more than a total idiot. (bad example, it might actually be slightly less...) the series to date, especially the past three or four episodes, have been a hodge-podge of crazy scene and lines of dialogue that are almost impossible to deem comprehesible. the characters get weirder and weirder each hour. barry, the gay motel owner, was initially just a suicidal dude with a wide vocabulary, now he's going fucking nuts. ed o'neill's character was always weird, same with the mexican (i forget his name-- the dude that played charlie utter), but now they're doing speeches for entire scenes by themselves, speaking total fucking gibberish. "too smart" my balls. the characters are becoming crazier and crazier, and i hope that gets explained as a side effect or some shit from john's arrival. honestly, did david milch explain these characters when he hired the actors? "umm, okay luke perry... you'll be playing a sleaze who offended another character years ago, but will serve virtually no purpose in the present day story." ... "alright ed, you'll play a crazy ex-cop who talks to, and carries around, a magical bird you can speak to with your mind." ... "bruce, you'll play the grandpa for a few episodes, then disappear for about half the season. And you levitate! sound good?" i swear to god, i can't imagine those casting sessions going any other way. if tonight's hour doesn't explain A-FUCKING-LOT, i'll be a little pissed. i guess we'll see in a few hours...
I still have no clue what's going on by memento108	Aug 12th, 2007 08:50:27 PM
But I felt oddly compelled to watch this entire season. Kai is the mother of God? Huh??
Wu by NudeandAroused	Aug 12th, 2007 08:52:20 PM
Was Wu "The Chinaman?"
Loved it. by Billyeveryteen	Aug 12th, 2007 09:01:28 PM
Hope there's more.
fiester by 40ozToFreedom	Aug 12th, 2007 09:05:18 PM
Milch has said before in previous interviews that he's never been surfing in his life. the show isn't even ABOUT surfing, that is just the element that they are in. that being said, i didn't get the finale at all. i was very disappointed being that I've been saying all along that the finale will explain everything, and they didn't give us jack shit unless i missed something. on a side note, with Al Bundy, Dylan 90210 and Zach Morris all on screen together I was almost expecting John Stamos and Jonathan Taylor Thomas to show up for a 1994 reunion
Maybe i'm an idiot... by memento108	Aug 12th, 2007 09:07:01 PM
But is there anyone out there that can explain the finale to me?
Wu by 40ozToFreedom	Aug 12th, 2007 09:08:31 PM
yea that was the chinese cocksucker. good eye i didn't pick that up
Not 'Wu' by smackfu	Aug 12th, 2007 09:41:55 PM
'WHO', you ignorant fucking chink!!
Meek by Wogga Wogga	Aug 13th, 2007 01:40:25 AM
there is bland not red. Yes, but who rinses golf? Alas there can only be drapes of glory, which in turn must be waved by. Passing the sky the murmur wept a silent ghost. Hooray, Yost ate pimp dick, not once, but coarse foaming licorice. Not a wet eye in the sand. Brandy and cubes of thoughts went into the collection of barnacles, yet there is no dream. Butchie farts. Riot. Ramming huge trunks of redwood up the executives asses. This it the series. The rejoicing never ends.
Wow by Rinse	Aug 13th, 2007 04:13:47 AM
That had the be the longest origin story ever. What a lame set up for Season 2. :-/
Milch's Titus Andronicus by AgentJay	Aug 13th, 2007 04:24:03 AM
...maybe John From Cincinnati is one of Milch's lesser works, like Bleak House to Dickens, Scorcese's Bringing Out The Dead or the electric period of Miles Davis. But it's a searching, experimental piece like nothing else in visual fiction, let alone on TV. After watching the entire first season (at least twice) I'm SURE it's my favorite show on any network. I'd rather have this last season than the entire run of Soprano's, my hand to god. And everyone's wrong about Rebecca De Mornay. She's doing her best work and YOU ALL WISH she'd whip your skippies.
That was awful. by vikingkitty	Aug 13th, 2007 05:14:20 AM
I don't know how much more needs to be said about it. I watched every episode of this abomination, thinking there would eventually be some payoff. Boy, was I ever wrong.
Anyone know what song was playing in the beginning? by Rickey Henderson	Aug 13th, 2007 07:03:24 AM
I think it was Dylan, but am not sure... Either way, it was the only redeeming quality in the finale. I still have absolutely no idea what the hell is going on. What a sreat way to wrap things up.
yup by cocolopez	Aug 13th, 2007 08:11:02 AM
that was Bob Dylan "Series of Dreams" - one of my favorite songs of all time. Anyone recognize another Deadwooder other than Wu showing up for the first time last night? Con Stapleton was the car salesman...
Thanks cocolopez by Rickey Henderson	Aug 13th, 2007 08:16:45 AM
I'm guessing that song came from Dylan's jesus phase. Terrific song however.
masters of science fiction by PVIII	Aug 13th, 2007 08:44:37 AM
pretty damn good.
Who woulda thunk it by rbrog77	Aug 13th, 2007 08:51:37 AM
Link is the only one to understand John. That shit with Link and John was great. And who knew Cincinatti is straight up. I'm looking and all I see is ceiling tile. Honestly, I can't wait for 9/11/14...that's when they come and the towel heads will be irradicated. I believe this is the point where people start complaining becasue there were no answers and they're confused and they won't ever watch this show until the next time it airs and HBO sucks and Milch is f'ing us. Oops. My bad. That started before the finale aired.
The other deadwooder was by Chest_Rockwell	Aug 13th, 2007 09:17:01 AM
the car salesman. He was one of the "townies" in Deadwood. Didn't he own the bar where Hickock was shot? Didn't he want to be firechief or something?
Damn you Herc! by Penetron	Aug 13th, 2007 09:46:47 AM
I gave in and watched the last episode. What a waste of time. Let's get Veronica Mars on HBO so I we see her titties! Not just a glimpse like in Spartan.
There better be a paying dwarf under JFC by Filmrage	Aug 13th, 2007 09:52:04 AM
Damn i've seen every episode now and i have to say that despite having very high hopes the show is fucking nonesense. Oh and the car salesman was the guy who worked for Cy Toliver. Forgot his name but he was boning that actress gal. Took me a while to hone in on the gruff voice. Tom at bar number 10 has a more gentile and slightly southern accent, or his character did at least.
yeah by cocolopez	Aug 13th, 2007 09:56:06 AM
i already posted his name on Deadwood- he was called Con Stapleton
What a waste of my life. by PwnedByStallone	Aug 13th, 2007 09:59:45 AM
Worst HBO series ever made. And, no, it's not that I just don't "get it." This show was convoluted, unfocused and simpply incoherent.
The Link and John interaction by Shivv	Aug 13th, 2007 10:15:20 AM
was really the best scene in the entire series to date. It's sad to say, but I get the feeling that this show would have been a lot better if Luke Perry had been more prominently featured in the first nine episodes.
Prominently Featuring Luke Perry by vikingkitty	Aug 13th, 2007 10:24:34 AM
"but I get the feeling that this show would have been a lot better if Luke Perry had been more prominently featured in the first nine episodes." I remember a time when a statement like this would have been grounds to have you declared legally insane (even though I agree with it). Someone dig up Tiffany Amber Thiessen and Ian Ziering. Maybe all they really need is some of that Milch magic to get their careers back on track.
Agent Jay by The Alienist	Aug 13th, 2007 10:32:07 AM
You're absolutely right with everything you said. Except I disagree it's one of Milch's lesser works. I found it a true thing of beauty. To the haters: I guess I understand your confusion. I was confused too. I don't completely get it. But instead of being threatened by the show why not acknowlege how unique and experimental and balls-to-the-wall brave it was to produce such a piece of mainstream entertainment that is so unabashedly elliptical and abstract...and absolutely different than any other televison program EVER created. You may not have been moved as I was but you have to recognize, like the citizens of Imperial Beach, that something totally extraordinary was going on..
Good Finale by ktownman	Aug 13th, 2007 10:44:44 AM
Dont Get me wrong the show can be frustrating and damn right cryptic. But I Love the show. Milch in an interview around the begining of the show said something like "How would God approach todays society" Where would he she , it show up. How would something like that be percieved how would people handle it. Now John Monad appears one day in Imperial Beach. Does he change everybody he interacts with mostly yeah. Mitch Yost a Lost soul disillushioned with his past life and unable to function in todays life by the end of 10 episodes gets back in the game. Butchie at the begining is a junkie living in squaller by the end of 10 episodes hes looked to kicked his drug habit and be somewhat of a father to his son. Bill Ed O'Neill confronts the focus of his depressiion the passing his wife due to Cancer enters the room she died in. Now the Avon Catolgue , The Stick Figures and 9/11/14 has nothing to do with September 11th in my opinion. Its a Date September 11th 2014. Now Avon spelled backwards is "Nova" as in Supernova? On that date will the world end and John Monad has been sent 7 years earlier to try to prevent this. How would people be reached in todays society most likely threw Media or Branding or fashion. So what better way to get the point across and the knowledge then have a well known corporate company ( Stinkweed) at least in the fictional world of JFC to start put the branding of the stick figure etc. I know im reaching on somethings. Maybe im wrong but seriously talkbackers. All that hate the show on this board will watch a 2nd season if it comes back and I hope it does. Can any TV Show on Normal TV or most on Cable make you think as much as this show. You hate it Dont watch it. Dont understand it well thats part of its charm. I miss Deadwood Sure but JFC is worth saving
HBO by SPECTRE007	Aug 13th, 2007 10:46:40 AM
I think the problem with HBO is that long ago, we all adopted the "smart television" moniker for the Cable Network, so that anything on the channel eventually got elevated to an "It must mean something" status. You'd watch Sopranos, The Wire, etc, and if something went over your head in the first viewing, you assumed it must make sense and fit in in a way you're not seeing now. Then along comes Carnivale. While it was clever, the show dragged it's feet too much, and the first kink in the HBO armor appeared. With Cincinnati, people assume what they're watching is actually very deep and with strong meaning, but the show leaves you hanging. It's always been an HBO fad to write dialogue with a Thesaurus firmly in hand, and with witty banter in mind. But JFC skips the obvious reactions in favor of metaphoric asides. I mean, would anybody out there in real life react the way ANY of the JFC characters did to seeing Mitch levitate? They all look at him like he's just got a nose bleed. It's a difficult thing to accomplish, but if your writing about fantastic scenarios, "magic" or extraordinary events, you'd better be damned sure everything else is believable by comparison. Nothing on this show was realistic. Plus, any show that solves plot problems by having characters stand in a room and talk to themselves is in trouble.
Monad Meaning by ktownman	Aug 13th, 2007 10:55:24 AM
Some functional programming languages make use of monads[1] [2] to structure programs which include operations that must be executed in a specific order. The name monad derives from category theory, a branch of mathematics that describes patterns applicable to many mathematical fields. The primary uses of monads in functional programming are to express input/output (I/O) operations and changes in state without using language features that introduce side effects[3]. They exploit a loophole that, although a function cannot directly cause a side effect, it can construct a value describing a desired side effect that the caller should apply at a convenient time. However, I/O and state management are by no means the only uses of monads. They are useful in any situation where the programmer wants to carry out a purely functional computation while a related computation is carried out "on the side. That was a defintion I got from Wikipedia. Sounds Like John though. Doesnt know how to take a dump because well hes not programmed to. Cant answer questions because your either not entering the correct question or hes not programmed to give it. John was programmed by his father or his father and is simply a construct a means to an end. Repeats things because well he doesnt dont know how to process whats been said. Someone has to ask the right question "The Input" to get a desired response "The Output"
I might be alone here but I'm pretty sure I get it, by RedJester	Aug 13th, 2007 11:09:36 AM
Or at least I get it in the sense that I understand what Milch has intended for me to understand at this point in the series (I'm assuming he thinks he's getting a season two). Because the first half of the season finale explained virtually everything that has gone down until that point and then the second half went about asking a zillion more questions as if it's setting us up for a season two... So go ahead, ask us (that on the most part get it) some questions on what you don't get and we'll be glad to answer it for you. And stop bitching about how it's incomprehensable, it's not, you just don't get it. It's a puzzle sure (hence confusing) but the finale solved most of the puzzle. So what do you think is incomprehensable? What don't you get??
lol by RedJester	Aug 13th, 2007 11:14:37 AM
Damn I wish I could edit my prior post. Way too much improper grammer going on there...
Red Jester by The Alienist	Aug 13th, 2007 11:18:25 AM
I'd love to get your take on the whole ep. Plus, there's a great recapper on Zap2it.com that goes into philosphical detail about the show each week. To read his latest: http://tinyurl.com/3d9wuf
Thanks by rbrog77	Aug 13th, 2007 11:44:42 AM
Great link, Alienist. Good to know someone gets it. I, for one, hope the ride is not over.
I think by ewokstew	Aug 13th, 2007 12:11:19 PM
John is of a spiritual world not an alien one Monism: the metaphysical and theological view that all is of one essence, and this essence is sometimes called the "monad". If someone already posted this tidbit, consider it a refresher on JFC 101.
RedJester by Immortal_Fish	Aug 13th, 2007 12:24:21 PM
What happened to the doctor character? He went to get his copy of the Avon catalog then promptly vanished. Is everyone in IB independently wealthy? Other than Kai and the motel workers, no one is employed. Why does everyone on the show monologue? Even used car salesmen. What purpose does the WKRP Chemist serve? Why are the Italian Hawaiians in the show and why do they care about the Yost family at all? Is he there just to act like he doesn't give a shit, only he really does and that's his clever arc?
HBO Goodwill... GONE by Luvs269er	Aug 13th, 2007 12:31:58 PM
What a horrible finale. You cancel Deadwood for this? I am certain Rebecca DeMornay saw this show as a career revival role-- but I think she just fucked the rest of her career Butchie instead.
Rome and Deadwood........................ .............. by crackerfarmboy	Aug 13th, 2007 12:50:52 PM
It really is a shame that Rome got canned after only 2 of its intended 3 seasons. It was easily the best of the hour dramas on the station. (Sorry Wire fans, I love it too but Rome was better IMHO). Deadwood needs to be finished. I don't want to hear that they "can't get the actors back", because they're all (minus Ian) in JFC. They shouldn't be hard to find. Make the movies cocksuckas! As for JFC, it was entertaining in a "Hey let's take acid, read Shakespeare, and have Pink Floyd's 'Dark Side of the Moon' on in the background" sort of way. But is it better than Rome or Deadwood? Fuck no!
Wild by NudeandAroused	Aug 13th, 2007 12:52:55 PM
The ideas about what this show is about are wild. Immortal_fish raises some interesting questions. Say what you will about this show, you have to admit that it makes you think.
Mother of God by sitchin	Aug 13th, 2007 12:56:24 PM
I'm thinking out loud about the final words... "Mother of God, Cass, Kai. Both Cass and Kai had some sort of mystical experience with John. Kai in her trailer when he puts his hand on her and has like a mind orgasm. Cass in the hotel room when she wakes up the next day thinking she and John did something last night, but she wasn't sure what. So is there some kind of immaculate conception thingy going on here? Also, the 9-11-14-10-OFF on the shuffleboard. There's lots of talk about what 9-11-14 means, but could the 10-OFF mean that we've had 10 episodes of JFC and now it's off, i.e. not renewed?
I don't know butchie FLIGHT OF THE CONCHORDS instead! by cekma	Aug 13th, 2007 01:16:08 PM
I life JFC, loved Rome, Sopranos, and my beloved Carnivale (still not recovered from that early exit) Flight of the Conchords is the greatest thing on tv right now. I pray HBO gives it a 2nd season. Amazing humor, songs, clever, well written, none of it is fed to you. The characters/actors are hilarious. Unlike Entourage, which I like but has become very stale since season 3.
cekma by PVIII	Aug 13th, 2007 03:50:40 PM
agreed, but it's getting depressing now...
Look at the breasts on these women! by youridol	Aug 13th, 2007 04:40:30 PM
The world is doomed! But go ahead -- have fun!
My problem with this show is.... by memento108	Aug 13th, 2007 05:25:45 PM
You take a show like Lost, which usually teases us and only divulges little bits of info at a time. The reason I stick with that show is that I care immensely about what happens to those people, and that's why I feel like it's worth sticking around. For JFC, I watched all 10 episodes but I feel like the show is too pretentious for its own good, and I care about no one, pretty much. Bill is probably the only character I remotely give a shit about, but it's like...I can deal with Lost dangling the meat in front of me and running away because I love those people. This is just too God damn subliminal to matter right now. But I do hope we get season 2.
Father's father by _Maltheus_	Aug 13th, 2007 05:44:23 PM
So was all that talk about his father's father suppose to mean that Jesus is his dad or something? Is Shawn even Shawn anymore, or was he "reborn?" Is 9/11/14 suppose to be the end of the world? If so, I need to get to retiring already. And does that mean that the US end of the world is in September and the European end of the world is in November? ;) I'm curious enough about this show to keep watching, but I won't be shedding any tears if it gets canceled. Which is good, because it won't last beyond a second season. I think the biggest problem I have with it is that the characters all speak like "Milch" characters. And whereas I was able to accept (and appreciate) that in Deadwood and chalk it up to the times, these Shakespearean rants don't fit with a bunch of back-water surfer bums. The hoopleheads, if you will. The car salesman's character (not just the actor) was straight out of Deadwood and it drew me out of the show. Link's speech to the crowd was off for me as well. Oddly enough, the only character with believable dialog on this show is John. And the funny stuff he says is the main thing that's kept me watching (still not 1/100th as funny as Swearingen or even Farnum however). JFC is funnier than Flight of the Conchords, but I don't think that'll save it.
Yeah on Lost by _Maltheus_	Aug 13th, 2007 06:52:51 PM
There are some character on Lost I like, but for the most part, they're all a bunch of lying conniving assholes, pretending like they're good. On JFC, you have the Charlie Utter character who's a good guy, pretending to be an asshole. I mean really, does anybody give a rat's fuck what happens to Jack or Kate? Locke and maybe Hurley aside, I'd rather hang with the JFC characters over the Lost characters. Although, now that I think about it, Cissy Yost would fit in well on the island.
no one is curious by ashhole	Aug 13th, 2007 08:02:05 PM
about the car salesman other than the fact he was on fucking deadwood? he knew john. he knew papa doc douche and baby doc douche. he knew they would need that el camino (sweet fuckin camino too). he got john to shut up by telling him he "took him offline". does he know john's father? IS he john's father? that guy was way ahead of the game when they walked on his lot. great show, can't wait for season two.
Showtime by ktownman	Aug 13th, 2007 10:14:21 PM
Only lately out of Showtime that caught my intrest is "Meadowlands" which had a hell of a cliffhanger and one of the best last minutes ive seen in a show in a long time. Odds of Meadowlands getting a Talkback not high but definetely worth a watch.
I always Think Jay and Slient Bob Strikes Back by ktownman	Aug 13th, 2007 10:18:03 PM
when I read anti talk back messages. People who hate something but have no doubt seen it countless times. I thought they were making a a Rome Season 3 its set 2000 years in the future and begins in 2003 Cesear Bush sets forth invasion of er liberation of Gaul er Iraq Nods to Nero to Pick up Fiddle
Carnivale Season 3? by ktownman	Aug 13th, 2007 10:22:27 PM
Always heard rumblings a rumour or a pure comic urban legend that Daniel Knauf creator of Carnivale who now writes Iron Man for Marvel has expressed intrest in finishing Carnivale in Graphic Novel Format under a Marvel Imprint.
John is of a spiritual world not an alien one Monism by smackfu	Aug 13th, 2007 10:27:05 PM
In all honesty, how is there a difference? Both are beings from another world (one physical, the other a plane) and the word 'alien' doesn't need to exclusively mean a guy with grey skin in a flying saucer who wants our water. Just as beings from higher planes of existance are not necessarily 'gods', just other life forms that seem as godly to us as we seem to ants.
I'LL JUST SAY THIS... by BigBlackDude	Aug 13th, 2007 11:04:37 PM
I've watched every damn episode of this show so far and have absolutely no idea what it's about, what's going on or where the hell it's headed; and you know what? I FUCKIN' LOVE IT. Death to predictability! Bring on season two.
OFFICIALLY CANCELLED!! YESS!! by TeenAngst73	Aug 13th, 2007 11:15:29 PM
According to Kristin and Ausiello, HBO has pulled the plug!! http://www.eonline.com/gossip/ kristin/detail/index.jsp?uuid= 6f61169c-e1ce-40f3-b7d6-c95ec2 8a0a76#commentstart Come on Deadwood movies!!!
Too bad.... by buffywrestling	Aug 13th, 2007 11:50:45 PM
I watched this season in two big clumps and when taken back to back, this show became a powerful experience. But I do think I would have had a hard time getting into it if I watched them one at a time. That said, this show did inspire me to get my hair cut like Kai's. So that's something..
Nooooooooooooooooooooo!!!! by RedJester	Aug 14th, 2007 01:05:28 AM
I'm extremely bummed.
Wipe Out by iownyou	Aug 14th, 2007 01:10:58 AM
CANCELLED, Ha, Ha
I don't know why we were cancelled butchie instead by RedScab	Aug 14th, 2007 01:26:02 AM
I was let down by the finalle, it seemed rushed and put together badly. This series gave us alot of very interesting characters and some great storylines, but in the end it just ran out of gas. The entire parade sequence felt forced and the show just lost alot of it's edge with this last episode. And now since it has been cancelled I guess we will never get the answers we seek. i don't know butchie instead!!!1 I need some BSG asap!!!!!
But about the Italian Hawaiians... by Immortal_Fish	Aug 14th, 2007 01:57:39 AM
Could someone please tell me why they gave a shit and why they stuck around? PS: buffywrestling -- Kai hair is not difficult nor costly to attain. Get a pillow. Place back of head on pillow. Apply pressure while oscillating head on pillow for 10 minutes. Rise and enjoy!
Don't get where you guys see pretension. by losder	Aug 14th, 2007 03:11:07 AM
Came across as almost too self critical to me. Bill's monologues 'jesuschristjesuschrist jesuschrist'. The tone of the show was like a nervous middle aged man about to take a crap and wondering if he'll blow a hemroid. I liked it and I see it as a deconstruction of a TV vehicle. Watching various components of a show get replaced with gibberish and still having the thing run well enough for me to tune in every week was pretty amazing. There are a lot of tired dramatic devices in TV shows (even good ones) that should be fondled and fooled with just to see how they work, and if they're necessary. Not to say that was the intent, that WOULD be pretentious. I just think that's what ended up happening, and why a lot of us kept watching without really understanding why.
i just liked it by prbt	Aug 14th, 2007 03:38:22 AM
Great acting (especially Brian Van Holt and Ed O'Neill), and it was intriguing as hell. I hope the reports are wrong, and it's not cancelled, 'cos I'm going to have to explain to the few friends I turned onto it that it's going to be a somewhat truncated ride... which coming so soon after the Drive debacle is annoying. Screw you, TV executives everywhere. Jesus Christ Jesus Christ Jesus Christ!
Immortal_Fish by buffywrestling	Aug 14th, 2007 03:59:09 AM
Sounds like a pleasurable way to fix my hair wink I had hair down to the middle of my back and I thought I would miss it. Nope. Not at all. I AM going to miss this show though. It was the only thing I got into this summer. Didn't even watch one episode of Big Love and I watched the first season of that last year. Still trying to get into Flight of the Concords but I have only seen three of them so far.
FLIGHT OF THE CONCHORDS = The Only Reason To Watch HBO by LaserPants	Aug 14th, 2007 09:37:35 AM
Its totally fucking hilarious and totally fucking brilliant. BIG LOVE is okay, but, FLIGHT OF THE CONCHORDS is the only HBO product I make sure to watch, and re-watch, regularly.
Immortal Fish.. by Mr. Osato	Aug 14th, 2007 09:48:15 AM
You've been missing some of the best drama on TV. Big Love Season 2 is infinitely better then the first.
Big Love by Immortal_Fish	Aug 14th, 2007 10:34:01 AM
I remember being overly impressed by the first episode of season 1. There was quite a bit of exposition crammed into that single hour. Stuck with the show to around 1x04 I think before the missus and I gave up. Kinda like 6 Feet Under, I can see why folks like it, but it just ain't my thing. But back to those Italian Hawaiians...
Yeah, Big Love... by _Maltheus_	Aug 14th, 2007 11:26:55 AM
...really picked up in season 2. I only half-liked in in season 1, but it's gotten much better this time around.
send HBO Monads!!! by Atop	Aug 15th, 2007 01:00:02 AM
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