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Didn't Attend THE DARK KNIGHT panel at Wizard World? Here's a report on what we all missed!

In praise of shuttlepod on their achievement by palimpsest	Aug 11th, 2007 08:55:59 PM
Respect is due for your firstness.
Must. see. now. by blindambition238	Aug 11th, 2007 09:00:34 PM
come on, one of you sneaky bastards must of smuggled the footage onto something!
Hickory and Morganton... by 5minutes	Aug 11th, 2007 09:01:05 PM
Beautiful country... I'd probably risk the piggies just for a few days in those mountains...
Souns fuckin sweeeeeeeet! by Grando	Aug 11th, 2007 09:02:44 PM
Nerds of the world unite.
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha thats amaaaaaazing!!! by pipergates	Aug 11th, 2007 09:02:54 PM
too long to wait!!
"the shirts had in I guess" by Doctor_Sin	Aug 11th, 2007 09:04:19 PM
English - can you speak it?!?!?!?
COOL. by Mr. Nice Gaius	Aug 11th, 2007 09:05:04 PM

ahhh by olson71	Aug 11th, 2007 09:05:46 PM
i would give my middle nut to have been there
Sounds Bad Ass!! by Redfive!	Aug 11th, 2007 09:06:52 PM
I knew Ledger would be a completely different Joker.Batman Begins is a totally different Batman.Why stick to the basics when you can re-invent them. This movie cant come out soon enough.
YackBacker by Dr. Butthole	Aug 11th, 2007 09:14:01 PM
Are you serious? Harvey Dent is Two Face. Now I'm gonna look real stupid for pointing this out, oh, I can see it now...
By the way by Dr. Butthole	Aug 11th, 2007 09:14:38 PM
Those shirts are pretty cool. Marketing students, take note.
Ha! Spoiler Tags are up! by Mr. Nice Gaius	Aug 11th, 2007 09:17:06 PM
Well done, YackBacker.
MAN THAT WAS SWEET! by THE KNIGHT	Aug 11th, 2007 09:31:21 PM
Iron man who!
MAN THAT WAS SWEET! by THE KNIGHT	Aug 11th, 2007 09:33:13 PM
Iron man who!
Spoilers for Dent? by The Funketeer	Aug 11th, 2007 09:38:20 PM
You really think that gave anything away? Did anyone really think Dent wouldn't become Two Face at the end of the movie?
Harry.... by Refuge5	Aug 11th, 2007 09:39:36 PM
Welcome to NC... (Batman will OWN 2008)
Damn it Just Sucks that Joker Kills Rachel in this!!! by MerryHulkster	Aug 11th, 2007 09:43:40 PM
and technically its bats Fault, i would appreciated if rachel were to die still being played by HOLMES!!!
where can we see it? where? by pipergates	Aug 11th, 2007 09:46:31 PM
cant find it anywhere...nobody taped this?
Funk he doesnt become two-fce and the end wake the hell by MerryHulkster	Aug 11th, 2007 09:48:44 PM
UP! its just late in the movie al Venom Spider-man 3 then two-face tries to kill Joker!! because joker- Two- Faced him!!
The Joker by Forestal	Aug 11th, 2007 09:51:34 PM
My source tells me Joker turns into sand and flies away after the big final battle.
pipergates by thegoddamedbatman	Aug 11th, 2007 09:54:43 PM
Hey, I am the one who sent this one in, and no you're not going to find a cam, because they were shaking people down at the door for as much as a cellphone or an ipod.
show the footage or you will have lives on your hands! by pipergates	Aug 11th, 2007 09:55:25 PM
cant breathe...must see....now
Wait... by The Dum Guy	Aug 11th, 2007 09:55:35 PM
I thought Jake Gylennhal was in this, and was going to play Harvey Dent?!?! I was hoping for a love story between the villians, that is something no-one really tries in comic movies, villians in love, that would be original.
Um... why the Nom de Plume? by Noddy93	Aug 11th, 2007 09:55:53 PM
it's quite obvious that THE GODDAMMED BATMAN is Doctor Who
In addition by thegoddamedbatman	Aug 11th, 2007 09:55:56 PM
They warned us about it in advance, and they honest to god had big intimidating guys in suits with earpieces like the f'ing secret service.
Doctor who by thegoddamedbatman	Aug 11th, 2007 09:58:36 PM
Yeah, in my hotel I did lack a blacklight, but luckily, being the big geekity geek I am, did have a sonic screwdriver.
shirt by Zorak5	Aug 11th, 2007 10:09:53 PM
The footage sounds great, and that shirt looks awesome. Of course it's already on eBay and too expensive... http://tinyurl.com/2duckp Bet the final price ends up huge.
and batman tries to stop two=face from killing Joker! by MerryHulkster	Aug 11th, 2007 10:10:30 PM
thats when two-face really goes peshit and becomes bats Enemy!!
No word of a lie... by Charlie Murphy	Aug 11th, 2007 10:23:52 PM
...when i read Harvey saying "half" i fucking ejaculated all over the place, which was surprising, because i was in the midst of cleaning up my previous ejaculation from picturing the joker laughing and shooting while walking down a burning street. FUCK. ING. SWEE-EEEEEEET.
"Jesus, Harvey, I thought you were dead!" by Veni Vidi Vici	Aug 11th, 2007 10:36:12 PM
"Half." holy shit, what a great response. i can't wait for this movie.
I was there by The Funketeer	Aug 11th, 2007 10:41:45 PM
They WEREN'T shaking people down at all. They had some tools in suits who THOUGHT they were intimidating walking up and down the aisles looking for phones and cameras and confiscating them if they saw one. DC had spent the better part of two days telling us we couldn't bring any kind of electronic device into the screening and I think that made most people think they were going to be frisked at the door so while it's possible someone taped this, I doubt it. It was also pretty dark and I doubt it would show up too well on video. This is the second time they've done this at the Chicago Comicon (screw Wizard!) so when part 3 starts filming, if they're in Chicago at the time the convention is happening, you can probably bet they'll do it again.
funketeer by thegoddamedbatman	Aug 11th, 2007 10:49:51 PM
Yeah, okay, they weren't frisking anyone, but I still doubt anyone got any footage. Also, authority figures make me nervous, like when a cop is driving behind you, and you suddenly feel guilty. Like, "Oh, shit I am going to get pulled over!" even if you haven't done anything wrong. They kept mean mugging and I was like, "Oh, man, they're going to plant a cellphone on me, and take me out back!"
I could have snuck in! by oisin5199	Aug 11th, 2007 10:50:55 PM
this was my first ever con and I only went for the day - Of course I found out about the wristbands too late, and there was no way to get them. But my stepson and I accidentally opened another door to the large room where they holding the panel, since we were looking for an adjacent room. And no one stopped us. Maybe they would have eventually noticed us sitting down without armbands, but we totally could have gotten in. But I didn't want to be a dick to the people who had waited in line all that time. But when I found out that the actors were there and everything, I kinda wished I did. I really want to see that damn footage. Oh well, I got to meet Richard Hatch and see his lame Battlestar sequel trailer from 9 years ago. He's a pretty nice guy, though.
also by thegoddamedbatman	Aug 11th, 2007 10:51:00 PM
If you were there, how f'ing cool was that? And, do you remember anything I forgot?
Having a good time, Charlie Murphy? by Bronx Cheer	Aug 11th, 2007 10:52:05 PM
Hey...you missed a spot.
Can't fucking wait by calnorso	Aug 11th, 2007 10:52:11 PM
That's all
GD Batman, Have any more fibs you need to retract? by Bronx Cheer	Aug 11th, 2007 10:56:10 PM
I mean, telling us they were shaking people down at the door, being called on it, and immediately recanting...shame shame. I noticed you used the phrase "honest to god" in another post...when people use that sort of expression, they usually are not being completely honest.
did it show that awful batbike? by prunkhaft	Aug 11th, 2007 10:56:13 PM
I'm not liking the changes in the batsuit etc. in this movie. The look was much better in Begins. I'm still sure that the movie itself is going to be great, just stop tinkering with batmans style every damn movie.
OK, I'll bite. by Gilkuliehe	Aug 11th, 2007 11:00:22 PM
What the fuck is that Peter North shit, Huckleberry Jackass? At least say something about that Peter dude, haven't you learned anything from DAMN YOU MICHAEL BAY? Sheesh.
The only worry that I have by calnorso	Aug 11th, 2007 11:03:49 PM
The only worry that I have about the new Batman is I hope its not overcrowded, like Spiderman 3. It was just too much going on and nothing was able to get developed. I think this material is in way better hands but from everything that I've read so far it seems that it might be too cluttered. Can't wait though
The suit...? by grunyen13	Aug 11th, 2007 11:14:59 PM
But does the suit have nipples?
Batman's new costume. by thegoddamedbatman	Aug 11th, 2007 11:16:48 PM
I really like it this time, it looks the most practical out of all the costumes I've seen thus yet. I'd still like to see a two tone (grey and black) costume in the future. I don't see why they always have to be just black. And I am on the fence on the batpod, or the batcycle, or whatever it's being called now.
Agreed. by darrenspool	Aug 11th, 2007 11:18:12 PM
I'm not watching this unless the suit has nipples.
SUMMAMABITCHES by parallax_r	Aug 11th, 2007 11:22:21 PM
IWANTTHATFOOTAGENOW! Fuck next year can't get here soon enough...
Last time Nolan did three villians and made it awesome. by tile_mcgillus	Aug 11th, 2007 11:25:10 PM
This time he has 2 of the best. My faith is in Nolan still. Please dont let us down like Raimi did (actually the studio mostly) with Spiderman 3! Too excited for words...
Harry! I Didn't Know You Were a Bigot! by GreggBob	Aug 11th, 2007 11:25:18 PM
Hey listen. I'm not a political correctness freak, but I have to take offense to your lead in this story. I live near Hickory & Morganton, NC and you should know that I've never seen any hillbilly sodomists around, although we do have Starbucks in the area, as well as electricity, iPods, and, by the way, I'm typing this to you on broadband. The proliferation of cheap shots like yours, as well as reruns of the "Dukes of Hazzard" and "Hee Haw" do nothing but drag down the image of the progressive Southern U.S that I know. I realize comments like yours are just cheap shots coming from lazy minds but it does feed stereotypes. As a plus-size guy I'm guessing you're also familiar with uncomfortable comments and low-blows. BTW, forget "Deliverance". For a movie that captures the civility and charm of small-town Southern life I refer you to "Doc Hollywood". Although no one I know has ever paid their medical bills with a pig, it does get a lot right Southerners. Oh, and one more thing, we were shoes in the South nowadays, too. Dumbass.
it's 2007! Somebody must have filmed it! by zikade zarathos	Aug 11th, 2007 11:27:19 PM
FOR GODS SAKE DON'T HOLD OUT ON US!
really the goddamed batman? by prunkhaft	Aug 11th, 2007 11:32:05 PM
Most practical? The most practical suit was in batman begins and the best was in batman returns. Actually the best was in batman dead end, but as far as the features go batman begins had a simple suit which resembled frank millers imagining. And the look of these movies (except for some of what I've seen in dark knight-such as that batcycle and the new suit) are openly influenced by millers stuff, year one specificaly. Look at gary oldman for example.
where credits due... by prunkhaft	Aug 11th, 2007 11:34:31 PM
Mazzucchellis stuff I should say.
YESSSSSSSSSSSSS FUCK YEAH by messi	Aug 11th, 2007 11:39:15 PM
Fuck you animal structure, indutrykiller, mr jjonz, rupee88, anchorite. eat shit cunce.
MORE INFO from wizarduniverse.com by tile_mcgillus	Aug 11th, 2007 11:44:15 PM
Minutes ago, the capacity crowd at Wizard World Chicago was treated to the first look at “The Dark Knight” – the much anticipated sequel to fan favorite “Batman Begins.” With actors Christian Bale, Gary Oldman and Aaron Eckhart on hand along with Nolan and screenwriters Jonah Nolan and David Goyer, DC Publisher Paul Levitz led the crowd through a spirited and secretive Q&A before getting to a sneak peek at the Dark Knight’s most recent on-screen battle with his arch nemesis, The Joker. Fans were only allowed to see it once, and while it might be some time before the footage will be released to theaters across America, Wizard Universe was on hand to witness the action and give a full report. The footage started with a silhouette of a dark figure in front of one of Batman’s armored vehicles before quickly cutting to Bruce Wayne and Alfred delivering the brief lines heard in the “Dark Knight” teaser trailer. “Some people just want to watch the world burn,” advises Alfred before the camera jumps to Batman in action on the Batpod, the new iteration of his motorcycle. The action built up as the Joker was seen in full for the first time with a mess of white face, smeared red lipstick and sweaty, straggly green hair. Apparently, the clown prince of crime gets arrested at one point in the film, as the montage presented Jim Gordon (complete in SWAT gear) at the Joker’s booking, saying, "no prints, no ID, custom clothes, no tags.” The clown smiles with what appears to be blood over his face from the inside of an interrogation room. Checking back in with Bruce Wayne, the billionaire playboy has a brief scene with Eckhart’s Harvey Dent where he says “Rachel’s told me everything about you.” “I truly hope not,” responds Wayne. The footage sped up at that point into an intense montage of action, featuring the following clips: The new batsuit rising up from a trap door in the ground and held in a chain metal case. - Rachel Dawes (played by Maggie Gyllenhaal) close to an unidentified man either kissing him or being threatened by him as the camera rotates around them. - The Joker and Batman battling in close quarters (possibly a hospital room). Batman throws Joker over a table and crashing into the ground while the clown smiles at him. It should be noted that the Joker was done up in his signature purple suit. - Plenty of big, bold Batmobile action including a shot where the tank-like car drives through a wall of flame. In fact, flames were pretty much everywhere in the footage as it appears Joker does actually make the world burn. - There is also a shot of a somewhat grim-faced Joker walking across a city street mercilessly firing a machine gun as well as a television close-up of the Joker laughing hysterically. - Two major additions to the speculation that Two Face will appear in the film came in the form of a single shot of a spinning 50 cent piece and the final image: after the action montage has slowed down, the camera cuts to a bartender looking at Harvey Dent, whose only onscreen presence is his left shoulder and a bit of a reddish-purple scarred neck. “Dent! I thought you were dead!” the man gasps, to which Harvey replies, “Half.”
costume. by thegoddamedbatman	Aug 11th, 2007 11:44:40 PM
I've always had problems believing a ninja would be as effective under like 40 pounds of polyurithane. I think the new suit looks armored, but has a lot more freedom of movement, with his new cowl, he'll honestly be able to turn his head all willy-nilly! I think the costume, while iconing as all get out, is one of the weaker aspects of the original Tim Burton movie, and instead of reinventing the wheel, like I think they should be doing, they keep reinventing a square wheel. It's a new costume every movie, but it's always a big black rubber costume.
I just flipped a coin... by PirateEmery	Aug 11th, 2007 11:50:51 PM
...to decide whether or not to read this. Hopefully we can get away with the added heat from both Joker and Two-Face. Nolan did it with Falcone, Scarecrow, and Ra's Al Ghul, so I don't foresee failure. But still... it's JOKER and TWO-FACE. These guys are iconic Batman villains. First Tier. Scarecrow and Ra's are Second, with Falcone in the Third Tier. Good luck, Nolan...
Dude, Hickory is nowhere near Deliverance territory by Tar Heel	Aug 12th, 2007 12:09:42 AM
The movie was shot in Georgia. That's like me saying Austin is "Brokeback Mountain" country.
Christian Bale couldn't lift my hamster over his head. by cyclo	Aug 12th, 2007 12:10:05 AM
Batman has no superpowers, so wheoever portrays him must be a top notch fighter and believable as such. The smirking wuss Christian Bale would get his ass kicked in any real street fight -- batsuit or no batsuit. That's why his Batman is so unrealistic. I can't believe him as a fighter since he has no fight skills whatsoever. "Protection for them!" was the most laughable line I've ever seen uttered in a movie.
Batman Begins Batman not a Superhero by jimbojones123	Aug 12th, 2007 12:14:53 AM
It's a Tragic story. In fact Batman is turning into the anti-superhero more and more. Pre-Crisis IMACs or whatever they were called. Cadmas Arc on JLU. Bats is no Superhero. It's amazing, but Batman Begins is exactly what Daredevil tried to do but failed so horribly at. I love the fact that Batman can be knocked out for three days than busts into a party with 2 girls on his elbows "undercover" within a few hours. A Superhero no, but a challenge to what human potential has to offer -- YES!! Just no Batskates.
So Bale isn't believable unless he's a UFC clown by DoctorWho?	Aug 12th, 2007 12:18:56 AM
...or something. Yeah sure.
I was there and the Q & A was excruciatingly... by RueDBaga	Aug 12th, 2007 12:23:40 AM
awful. A bunch of self-serving questions from a load of jagoffs. (Someone had the balls to ask Chris Nolan which casting agency he uses.) They should have skipped it and went right to the footage: Hella awesome.
AC-TOR by PirateEmery	Aug 12th, 2007 12:39:29 AM
Brandon Roath isn't a believable Superman because he cannot actually shoot LASERS out of his EYES. Hugh Jackman isn't a believable Wolverine because he can't actually regenerate and slice people with claws. Tobey McGuire isn't a believable Spider-man because he can't shoot webs out of his wrists. CHRISTIAN BALE is an ACTOR. For Christ's sake, stop whining about whether or not "your Batman" can beat people up.
GreggBob by HEADGEEK	Aug 12th, 2007 12:41:31 AM
You may notice - that I'm headed to Clayton, Georgia - which was the shooting location for DELIVERANCE. Which has the aforementioned "Scream like a Pig" scene - WHICH - I said was part of Yoko and Mine's BEDROOM HABITS... with me screaming like a Pig. SO - you know - chill... wasn't talking about you - it was a joke, at my own expense, in regards to the movie, that I'm in the area to see. Thus far, the freakiest looking fucker I've seen in this area so far, has been me. AND yet, that's who I made fun of. So try to keep up through my own illiterate writings.
HD-DVD? by TheSplinter	Aug 12th, 2007 12:52:09 AM
Is he still pimping the HD-DVD hoping that the tidal wave that is Blu-Ray will not come up and wipe out all that is HD-DVD? Come on, the war is over.
CHUD report by thegoddamedbatman	Aug 12th, 2007 12:57:03 AM
according to chud, footage exists, and can be found online of the panel. I guess I am not clever enough to find it. Anybody found this?
another report at BOF by kafka07	Aug 12th, 2007 12:58:30 AM
here's his report. I hope the footage is available to the public soon. But we'll probably have to wait until December. I have no doubts about Ledger's Joker anymore. It's cool that he gets Bats so pissed off! http://www.batman-on-film.com/ TDK_WW-Chicago_panel-report_7- 11-07.html
Tar Heel by HEADGEEK	Aug 12th, 2007 01:02:21 AM
You're correct - DELIVERANCE was not shot in Hickory, NC... but then, I didn't say it was. I said, I was traveling at 85 mph - between Hickory and Morganton, NC heading into DELIVERANCE territory. Now - DELIVERANCE territory is 166 miles from there - 2 hours at the speed we were traveling. And in my book - when you're about 2 hours away from a location - it's ok to say "I'm heading into..." As for your BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN / Austin - metaphor... well - Most of the locations in Brokeback were shot in Alberta, Canada - approximately 2076 miles from Austin, which at 85 mph would be approximately 24 hours and 42 minutes - not counting bathroom breaks or sleep breaks... but if you were driving through Austin in your pursuit of a gay cowboy in Alberta... I presume it'd be ok to say - "I'm between Austin and San Antonio heading into BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN territory" - since you're not saying you're there, merely heading there. BUT you'd be stretching the metaphor a helluvalot more than me.
I grew up between Hickory and Morganton! by Ponz	Aug 12th, 2007 01:04:43 AM
A little town called Valdese, North Carolina. While not quite Deliverance-town, there really isnt anything to do there, and it is populated by a lot of hicks. I hope you managed to stop at the winery there though, it might be the worst wine in all of NC!
BATMAN GOING TO FAIL by filmgenius	Aug 12th, 2007 01:12:30 AM
anyone who was bestowed to watch the first BATMAN BEGINS movie will be aware of its inaccuracies to the comic book. i'm sure none of you know that batman was acually created by a man named frank miller who is a comic book maker. in the actual comics, there is also a character entitled, ROBIN whom of which exists not even a single mention in the film. i personally feel comic books are a medium unto their own in which film has no intrinsic value and seeing as though BATMAN is a silly rip of off the classical film noir movies of the 70's and 80's such as WHITE HEAT and DOUBLE INDEMNITY (which i'm sure you have never heard of because you are a bunch of uneducated swiners), it is an absurd concept unto itself and therefore will intrinsically fail in its intrinsic nature. what do your guys's thikn?
Routh and McGuire are believeable. Bale is not. by cyclo	Aug 12th, 2007 01:13:21 AM
The Superman and Spider-man characters have superpowers, so even if wimp actors like Routh and McGuire play those roles, it's still believable cinematically due to the superpowers inherent to each character. On the other hand, Batman HAS NO SUPERPOWERS WHATSOEVER, which means Bruce Wayne must be a great fighter (not a UFC clown, but a smart guy who looks the part of Bruce Wayne and has the fight skills to make himself believable as Batman). Face it, BALE IS A FUCKING WIMP. Anyone who believes Bale could take on 5 thugs at once and win is a FUCKING RETARD. I could suspend disbelief if the Batman character had superpowers, but Batman is just a regular human. Therefore, a natural wuss like Christian Bale, who has approximately the same level of fighting ability as Michael J. Fox, was an incredibly poor choice.
What Happened To Paul Bettany As The Joker? by skoobyx	Aug 12th, 2007 01:15:04 AM
Looks good anyway....
ALSO... by filmgenius	Aug 12th, 2007 01:16:10 AM
it makes quite of the feeling of being sick to think that most of you don't even realize that this entire post is a hoax. everyone knows that CHRISTOPHER NOLAN is an aging baseball pitcher who hasn't pitched a baseball or even been a baseball pitcher in nearly 10 years. no one seriously believes that he is to be on the verge of making a film at an old age. i mean...come on, wake up and smell the fried eggs, people!
ALSO... by filmgenius	Aug 12th, 2007 01:16:12 AM
it makes quite of the feeling of being sick to think that most of you don't even realize that this entire post is a hoax. everyone knows that CHRISTOPHER NOLAN is an aging baseball pitcher who hasn't pitched a baseball or even been a baseball pitcher in nearly 10 years. no one seriously believes that he is to be on the verge of making a film at an old age. i mean...come on, wake up and smell the fried eggs, people!
filmgenius by messi	Aug 12th, 2007 01:19:47 AM
I think you are an intrinsic funny dickhead. I love double indemnity, one part is unintentionally funny that was converted into a van damme parody scene. But I prefer the Begins Batman to the comic batman anyway. Wait a minute double indemnity was an old Wilder film, not 70's and 80's. It's not an absurd concept, batman begins made me realize what a great concept batman is, just brilliant.
cyclo? by messi	Aug 12th, 2007 01:20:11 AM
you seen bale fight? you're a fucking idiot. it's called acting dickhead.
PETER NORTH by messi	Aug 12th, 2007 01:20:57 AM
LEXINGTON STEELE STARSCREAM
filmgenius by PirateEmery	Aug 12th, 2007 01:22:35 AM
I think you are a goddamn moron.
I swear to god... by PirateEmery	Aug 12th, 2007 01:23:28 AM
I just had a feeling of Deja Vu... without Denzel Washington.
MESSI...GROW UP by filmgenius	Aug 12th, 2007 01:23:31 AM
how old are you? are you in an age of which in you are even supposed to be liking comic books...i mean, come on, they're for childsplay. film is a medium in which is sincere...film scholars around the world agree that films are a stage for filmmakers to be letting out of their emotion on. transforming comic books to the film screen is an terrible misconception to the badness and perserversion of film in itself. film is serious...comic books are for 6 months year olds. get a grip and respect the medium of film.
huh. by thegoddamedbatman	Aug 12th, 2007 01:27:35 AM
Me and my wife have been looking for our phones since we got back from the convention. We left them and any other electronics considered contraband in our room. We just found them in a backpack, that we brought to the panel, inside we found two cellphones and an mp3 player, all considered contraband. We didn't record anything, I just find that kind of amusing, that we inadvertantly broke the hell out of that rule.
filmgenius by PirateEmery	Aug 12th, 2007 01:29:38 AM
My message still stands. And I don't believe more of a response is needed.
Batty by PirateEmery	Aug 12th, 2007 01:32:53 AM
That is hysterical. You can now go through the rest of your life and say that you sneaked spy material right under Batman's nose.
pirATEEMERY. BATMAN STUPIDEST MOVIE EVER IN HISTORY. by filmgenius	Aug 12th, 2007 01:33:50 AM
and here you go again. once again your superiority conflex spurs to make you cause to be bitter to me because i'm an adult who is being schooled by the most highly respected film scholars. don't be jealous because i know how to interpret films and have heard of older films that werent made behind the year...oh, i don't know...2007! i mean come on...before you start to defend films such as the BATMANs, you have to first understand the place from which film started itself and what in which it intends to do. clearly you don't understand that. clearly most people on this message bored don't understand that which is a pity because only individuals such whom are of like myself are able to truly enjoy films.
filmgenius by thegoddamedbatman	Aug 12th, 2007 01:36:31 AM
come on you guys, he's clearly right. Let's stop acting like six months year olds.
Ya know what would really be awesome? by For the love of Claire Bennets regenerating hymen	Aug 12th, 2007 01:41:16 AM
If the other side of Harvey was Billy Dee William's mug.
thegoddamedbatman... by filmgenius	Aug 12th, 2007 01:42:13 AM
just because you are of the incapable of making coherent or original thoughts doesn't mean you should knock people for very minor grammatical mistakes. clearly you're jealous of me and i feel really badly for you and all individuals of whom are of semblance like you
filmgenius by PirateEmery	Aug 12th, 2007 01:42:44 AM
MY superiority complex? Holy shit, man, you are SCREWED UP: "clearly you don't understand that. clearly most people on this message bored don't understand that which is a pity because only individuals such whom are of like myself are able to truly enjoy films." I believe you just said that you considered yourself better than everyone in this talkback. Who has the superiority complex NOW? filmgenius, I said it before, and I will say it again. You are a goddamn moron. You can't type. You can't say anything remotely understandable. I cannot call you a film aficionado with a straight face. "stupidest movie ever in history"? Daddy Day Camp was pretty damn stupid. Are you saying that Batman is worse than Daddy Day Camp?
RANDY SPEARS by For the love of Claire Bennets regenerating hymen	Aug 12th, 2007 01:42:55 AM
FUCK NORTH.
filmgenius, you are on fire! by PirateEmery	Aug 12th, 2007 01:45:36 AM
I haven't laughed this hard since watching the end of Titanic. "just because you are of the incapable of making coherent or original thoughts doesn't mean you should knock people for very minor grammatical mistakes. clearly you're jealous of me and i feel really badly for you and all individuals of whom are of semblance like you" Yes, he quoted you. Yes, he was making fun of you. No, that was not a grammatical mistake on your part: you are just an idiot. And once again, you are displaying "my" superiority complex.
DADDY DAYCAMP > BATMAN by filmgenius	Aug 12th, 2007 01:47:55 AM
daddy daycamp, while not of within the league of antonellonili or FILENE, was of infiniteness a better idea than batman. not only was it an better idea, it was a more smart idea. daddy daycamp taps into the difficultness with raising kids. it taps into a many great number of deals of emotionalness from the director of the film. what does batman do? runs around in a cape and a pair of undies with points on his head...nothing in depthful or or containing meaningfulness. what does batman teach he who has become to watch the movie about life? NOTHING.
filmgenius by PirateEmery	Aug 12th, 2007 01:56:09 AM
You just dug your own grave. The other Talkbackers will now devour your flesh for that statement. Saved me the trouble. Damn American Laziness kicking in.
filmgenius by jfp2007	Aug 12th, 2007 01:56:12 AM
Hey, Asshat, Double Indemnity wasn't filmed in the 1970s or 80s. It's from the 1940s which is when the classic Films Noir period took place, Turkey. The classic period ended in the late 1950s. Get some perspective, Popeye.
@cyclo by dtpena	Aug 12th, 2007 01:56:41 AM
Bale doesn't need to be a good fighter, he needs to be a good actor, and act as if he were a good fighter. And let's face it, the guy CAN act.
Dude, filmgenius by thegoddamedbatman	Aug 12th, 2007 02:00:20 AM
Did you mean antonioni, or fellini? Or are you refering to Mike Filene the porno director? Also, maybe people would get along with you better if you didn't translate all your posts into portuguese and back into english on the babel fish before you post them. Like in comprehensible english?
dtpena, Bale OVERacted in Begins. by For the love of Claire Bennets regenerating hymen	Aug 12th, 2007 02:02:29 AM
His gruffed up voice for bats was waaaaay too much.
look at me, I can be a film genius too! by thegoddamedbatman	Aug 12th, 2007 02:05:29 AM
You do not understand brilliance of the boat trip, the junior gooding of Cuba is shining, and you and its type stupid cannot appriciate brilliance of it! Also what it has filmed is being spoken currently approximately is below of me, because of as smart I am. I can be condesending and incomprehensible too!
Hymen by PirateEmery	Aug 12th, 2007 02:05:46 AM
I still thought it was better than George Clooney not doing anything different. At least Christian Bale TRIED to change up his voice when he was the Bat.
fiester by PirateEmery	Aug 12th, 2007 02:09:04 AM
OH CRAP! Totally didn't see that! But how do we know for sure that Bruce Wayne is Batman? Maybe it's just a rumor started by Harry.
I'll put money on it, Catwoman will be... by For the love of Claire Bennets regenerating hymen	Aug 12th, 2007 02:26:15 AM
...Angelina Jolie. Watch, just watch.
cyclo... by tibbar	Aug 12th, 2007 02:31:45 AM
i find it funnt you calling bale a wimp, considering he is actually bruce waynes EXACT weight and height measurements: 6' 2" and i believe its either 165 or 170 lbs. the guy is cut, which is all he needs to be... since he's in a fucking movie, and not ACTUALLY fighting anyone. have you SEEN the making-of on how hard this dude trains to get in shape and do the physical side of his performance? i think you are quite ignorant to what goes on behind the scenes, pal. if you just dont like bale, that's one thing... but to try to make up excuses for why he doesnt satisfy in some kind of FACTUAL sense.... that just makes you seem silly.
Flame wars aside... by mefrog	Aug 12th, 2007 02:33:31 AM
I'll just say that footage sounds a-fucking-mazing.
filmgenius no way this guy is serious by messi	Aug 12th, 2007 02:40:59 AM
no one is that stupid to post on aicn.
I'll wait 'til I actually see some footage... by TheGhostWhoLurks	Aug 12th, 2007 02:52:25 AM
The choice of the, so far, unimpressive Heath Ledger to play the Joker still leaves me cold. It'll take more than a brief play-by-play recounting by someone I've never met to overcome over a decade of tepid mediocrity from this actor.
But where is it headed? by lucky_cosmonaut	Aug 12th, 2007 02:54:04 AM
With Two-Face appearing towards the end, a, it seems like the story definitely leads into part three, but will Nolan take the reins? Would be sad to see this rebooted franchise get Schumarkered. Can't wait though. Someone get this footage online! I know it's out there...
Still think Eva Green is the perfect for Catwoman by Boondock Devil	Aug 12th, 2007 03:10:29 AM
Of course I don't think we'd see that character show up anytime soon. Two-Face should be the main heavy in the 3rd movie. I'd be okay if they decide to use the Penguin if only they keep him as he is portrayed currently in the comic books; in charge of a club with a ton of gotham underworld tie-ins.
So if "3" is going to be about TwoFace... by Yeti	Aug 12th, 2007 03:15:07 AM
That still leaves Cat Woman, Penquin, Mr Freeze, Bane, and The Ridler. Bale basically has work lined up for the next 12 years or so if he wants it.
Cyclo by damned-dirty-ape	Aug 12th, 2007 03:17:02 AM
Tell us who you think would make a believable Batman, cause i really can't see anyone doing a better job than Bale. I can't understand how you think he looks like a wimp in Begins, he was large as a house and quick as hell
I'm hoping for an appearance by Three-Face by cromwell1666	Aug 12th, 2007 03:20:45 AM
or his confusing cousin Twenty Seven-Face. He throws a handfull of coins in the air then figures the ratio using his evil calculator.
Megan Fox for catwoman? by Kirbymanly	Aug 12th, 2007 03:21:04 AM
How about getting the real-deal with Jennifer Connely? Well, J.C. before she lost all the weight and her sex appeal. Christ, somebody give her a pizza. Tell her the waif look is over. Come back to us, Jennifer!
Bring on the haters! by lost.rules	Aug 12th, 2007 03:21:43 AM
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Also... by Kirbymanly	Aug 12th, 2007 03:32:03 AM
I'm getting sick and tired of seeing all these string-beans up there on the screen. More Monica Bellucci, more Diora Baird, etc. Half the chicks we see in movies could pass for 12 year old boys. Why the hell do you think mostly every man pines for Scarlett or Salma or Monica? BECAUSE THEY LOOK LIKE A WOMEN. Take heed, studios!
NAH! NO CATWOMAN FOR ME... by connor187	Aug 12th, 2007 03:32:06 AM
I dont think it would work to be honest. I think The Penguin could work. Only to the point of him being realistc. Not a half man half fucked up hybrid. I kind of liked the idea that some geek said somwere, that Penguin was going to be a European arms dealer or somthing like that. Even though it was full of shit I think it would fit right in to Nolans realistic take/vision. Then again I think Nolan has been quoted somewhere saying that the Penguin wouldnt fit into the realistic world he has created. But I like to think that he could if he was done right. anyway its going to be about TwoFace for the most part but I think they should ease a new villan in at some point like the Riddler or Penquin. Catwoman? seriously I cant see her fitting in Nolans universe.....no matter how fucking hot she is or could be.
THE ONLY VILLAIN'S NECESSARY.... by connor187	Aug 12th, 2007 03:41:01 AM
1) The Joker 2) TwoFace 3) Penguin 4) Riddler 5) Scarecrow. Nuff said, anyone else realistically would not work......Mr Freeze anyone? think about it.
What I dont understand is by cromwell1666	Aug 12th, 2007 03:42:22 AM
YOU'VE GOT THE JOKER!!!! Everyone loves and hates him. He is an icon which transcends any actor who plays him! Why are they dangling TWO-FACE out there like he's the icing on the cake? I love Nolan and I maybe eating these words the day after I see it, but BAD MOVE, CHRIS NOLAN!! Two-Face is a B-List villain, and Joker is the Grand Marshal of the Freak Parade.
And JLA will stink too unlesssssssssss...... by cromwell1666	Aug 12th, 2007 03:55:59 AM
http://www.lethargiclad.com/go rilla/dcspecial16.gif
CROMWELL1666 - Did you see Batman Begins? by lucky_cosmonaut	Aug 12th, 2007 04:34:44 AM
The central villain was Ra's Al Ghul - who is far less well known than Two Face. Take a pill. Nolan is crafting his own world/interpretation of Batman. Yes, Joker, awesome, but don't write of an interpretation of a character you haven't even seen yet.
Two Face is the better of the two by The Mastermime	Aug 12th, 2007 04:37:59 AM
Joker may be iconic yes, but Harvey Dent is more human. I think any stories involving Harvey Dent would be awesome. I love what Nolan is doing with this franchise and even tho he has killed off falconi I think we could see The long Halloween or a Robin less dark victory come out of this! And if you've read either of those volumes you will know why two face is the better villian!
Eva Green as Catwoman? by Dr Gregory House	Aug 12th, 2007 04:41:10 AM
The lovely Eva IS a goddess and we love to see her as much as possible, BUT, the angel's funbags are way too big to be confined to tight, hot, nipple constricting black leather.
sucky_cosmonit by cromwell1666	Aug 12th, 2007 04:43:55 AM
Its the ridiculous suit that throws me, and the fact that every interpretation of two-face has been dull to my way of thinking. my post said that I might be eating my words the day after I see it BECAUSE I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT NOLAN IS DOING!
The MustardMine by cromwell1666	Aug 12th, 2007 04:48:26 AM
There is no way in Gods green hell that Two-Face should be worthy of overshadowing Joker. The presentation of him as described in the article, being the last scene says to me, "this is what you're waiting for....two-face." Im not.
I believe in Harvey Dent! by The Mastermime	Aug 12th, 2007 05:07:01 AM
The Joker and Two Face are very similar characters but there is a big difference between them! 1) Harvey and joker both had crap dumped on them emotionally and physically to spark their transformations. 2) Both are psychotic. 3) Both really only commit crimes to gain the attention of the Batman. But even tho I've just made you all go wow there pretty much the same character I will now prove y Twoface is better! Harvey Dent was framed, he was Batmans friend and he can be saved! he is not the jibbering loon that the joker is and with two face theres always the glimmer of hope he might come back! He is the Vader of the DC universe. So from a strictly film making P.O.V. I can see three being the better film because if its done right the exchanges between Wayne/Dent will be dynamite! Oh and before I forget Filmgenius, Batman was created by Bob Kane Jack ass! And Robin didnt really make an apperance till the 70's, he wasn't an original line up character. Please, I dont mind dyslexic morons flaming, but please get your facts straight first!
I don't know how to surivive the coming months.... by Klaus Herzog	Aug 12th, 2007 05:19:49 AM
I need to see this sucker now!
tibbar Bale was actually by messi	Aug 12th, 2007 05:20:31 AM
220 pounds by the time filming rolled around(Batman's real weight) and was 200-210 during filming.
Great writeup by Darth Thoth	Aug 12th, 2007 05:41:59 AM
I NEED this movie to rock hard next summer. I literally NEED IT! Please!!! Yo next summer can't get here fast enough. Especially after the turd that was summer 2007.
messi by tibbar	Aug 12th, 2007 05:48:58 AM
i thought they said he showed up too big and rolled like 20-30 back off. you sure?
Hey GreggBob by silentjay	Aug 12th, 2007 05:58:30 AM
Chill out. I live in NC too but I think Harry was referring to his traveling to West Virgina, where they filmed Deliverance (despite the movie taking place in GA). I could be wrong on his travels. Oh by the way, there are still some serious, ass-backwards corners of major Redneck hell in the South, it's just a little deeper in the woods now because of all the development that's happened. So don't kid yourself, we still have some clan-lovin', mullet-combing nut-suckers in the South. Those stereoptypes are not all wrong.
FilmGenius by cromwell1666	Aug 12th, 2007 06:00:07 AM
As soon as you start saying "this can be film" and "this can't be film" it is you who is truly limited in perception. I dont know what shitty film school you went to, but they poisoned you. I remember watching everything from Marcel Carne and Cocteau to Groundhog Day and old black and white Mickey Mouse cartoons in my film classes. Why such a range? Because the professors understood that film can be savored, deconstructed and appreciated on countless levels and in countless forms. Any one who says "film can't (fill in the blank)" and "film should be (fill in the blank)" is a detriment to the world of cinema, and really to the world of independent thought. No limits- bottom line. Either everything has artistic potential, or some schmuck is trying to force his ideas on everyone by setting parameters of what should and should not be. To hell with that!
I hope Joker kills Rachel Dawes in this.. by Judge Briggs	Aug 12th, 2007 06:00:22 AM
No need for her character at all.
Here's hoping. by Galva	Aug 12th, 2007 06:02:33 AM
The trailers and pre-released stuff for Batman Begins were all awesome, but I didn't like the movie. I'm assuming the same is going to happen here, but that isn't going to stop me from seeing it opening day. I've seen every live action Bat-Movie in theaters since 1989, including Batman and Robin, so why the hell shouldn't this be any different...
Judge Briggs... by Galva	Aug 12th, 2007 06:03:18 AM
THANK YOU, YES. Her character fucked up the entire movie for me.
filmgenius = by cromwell1666	Aug 12th, 2007 06:18:59 AM
http://www.nypress.com/images/ borat_cannes_2.jpg
Batman Villians by KnightEternal	Aug 12th, 2007 06:20:23 AM
Good points made by people above refarding Villians, am i the only one though that feels if Banes character is done right aka Knightfall, and you had Batman with his back broken at the end of one of the films then that would be one hell of a cliffhanger for the next....Just make Bane the criminal mastermind he was, not a 70lb dweeb who inflates.
Uh, I think filmgenius was goofing. Don't take the bait by Bronx Cheer	Aug 12th, 2007 06:22:31 AM
Whoever wrote that nonsense about Bale not being in fighting shape for the movie is the driver of the clown car. And I think it's interesting thematically to have Dent as Two-Face in the film. He represents the duality of the Batman/Joker. Hell, he's the very embodiment of it.
Batman the Animated Series by lost.rules	Aug 12th, 2007 06:32:06 AM
I loved that show. No matter what movies we may get, at least that show got Batman right.
lost.rules tells the truth. by Galva	Aug 12th, 2007 06:37:31 AM
And for the record: Batman Mask of the Phantasm is still the best Batman movie.
Please don´t suck by CuervoJones	Aug 12th, 2007 06:46:05 AM
that´s for you too, Indiana Jones.
lost.rules and galva by messi	Aug 12th, 2007 06:59:50 AM
b:tas was great but it was still for kids, batman begins was a drama, vertigo Batman. The article on chud expressed the same feelings I have, is that Batman Begins managed to capture the tone and charcater of Batman, the majority of the post 70's comics and graphic novels. Half the movie was a live action Detective Comics arc. Superman Returns I tried to see the tone of Superman and it wasn't there, Batman Begins had the tone of Batman.
Megan Fox as my sex slave by messi	Aug 12th, 2007 07:02:08 AM
that's the only role she is suited for. And the Soundtrack will be the new Neurosis Album.
Doctor_Sin by Swiss Trev	Aug 12th, 2007 07:02:46 AM
Punctuation - can you use it?
The Mastermime by Gigliowanananacom	Aug 12th, 2007 07:11:56 AM
Sorry to break it to ya man, but Robin was not introduced in the 70s. Actually, the very first appearance of Robin was in Batman #1, which to my knowledge, was waaay before the 70s. And as for Two-face and Joker being similar? Well, they're similar in that yeah, they're both a little nuts, but that's about it. Joker is the anti-thesis to everything Batman is, and there is no bringing the man behind the smile back. Two-face, on the other hand, can be and has been rehabilitated back into normal life. He's still got some humanity left in him, and while Joker is pure chaos, Two-face at least has some sort of method to his madness: duality. He's governed by the flip of a coin. /Bat-geek off But whether or not it'll play out that way remains to be seen. Either way, this movie can't get here fast enough, and news like this just adds to the anticipation.
P.S. by Gigliowanananacom	Aug 12th, 2007 07:24:59 AM
While that may have sounded like I was a Harvey sympathizer, I too agree that Two-Face should not be given precedence over the Joker. Bat-villains may come and go but at the end of the day it always has and always will be the Joker that gets the Bat's tights in the biggest bunch.
Plant by James Westfall	Aug 12th, 2007 07:30:51 AM
And I understand why Nolan's nervous. He knows he's screwed this one up and there's no going back and fixing it now.
messi by moners	Aug 12th, 2007 07:41:49 AM
your goal in the Copa America semi-final was amazing. Congrats.
What's on that black-lighted shirt? by Tallguyme	Aug 12th, 2007 07:47:22 AM
Gizz? looks like every set of Motel 6 sheets this side of the Mississip.
"There are explosions..." by Mahasamatman	Aug 12th, 2007 08:19:13 AM
Gotta love that line from this review. "There are explosions." In this film. Wow. What a surprise. Well, I hope they are -- uh -- REAL COOL BIG ASS explosions. Gee. That would be new for a film of this type...
talking back by godhelpus	Aug 12th, 2007 08:47:04 AM
I am wondering, if offered a range of concepts for a film version of the character Batman, is Nolan's version the one you would select? It seems like Nolan came close as their is obvious support for this show coming up and for Begins. Or is this a form of complacency on the part of all you homemade critics, who will accept anything that the studios dish out. Why does being a "dark" film appeal so much to the modern aesthete? Anyway, for me, I saw it as a somewhat dull film with clumsily edited and staged action/fight scenes and this puzzling commitment to appearing morose on all the cast's part, as if that is "dark." And why was the whole movie shot through a piss and shit lens? Is the Dark Knight going to be blue? What a concept...
Villians & all this talk of realism.... by Yeti	Aug 12th, 2007 09:12:24 AM
Look at the 4th season of Batman TAS. Penquin looked more human and was portrayed as a fence/maven with a natty fashion sense. Catwoman = skilled catburgler with a knack for finding trouble, moral ambiguity and a wicked costume. Bane = pro wrestler & steroid/human growth hormone monster turned assassin. The Riddler = a crimelord with a penchent for games of cat & mouse. Mr Freeze = science experiment run amok but not completley impossible with what we know about quantum physics and dna manipulation.
Is 'Half...' the last line of the movie? It should be. by performingmonkey	Aug 12th, 2007 09:12:54 AM
I don't want to see too much of Two-Face in this one. That should be saved for the third movie - Two-Face and possibly Penguin.
FOUND THE FOOTAGE! by Mike_D	Aug 12th, 2007 09:53:54 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =oHg5SJYRHA0
Mike_D by lost.rules	Aug 12th, 2007 09:55:56 AM
Screw...YOU!
Fuck you by Charlie Murphy	Aug 12th, 2007 09:56:58 AM
Mike D
I think "Half" is the last line of the movie. by lost.rules	Aug 12th, 2007 09:58:10 AM
Just got a feeling about that.
The REAL audio is available... by JackIsLost	Aug 12th, 2007 10:20:11 AM
at batman-on-film.com when you click on the Bat-Movie News link, it automatically starts. You get some of Caine talking about Mob and Joker and Ledger himself cackling away. It's pretty cool.
"Half" is indeed a cool line. by 'Cholera's Ghost	Aug 12th, 2007 10:26:00 AM
My question is: Shouldn't there be two little twin versions of Harry appearing at the end of the hallway in that that animation he has up?
How I wish that it was true! by PirateEmery	Aug 12th, 2007 10:26:44 AM
They SHOULD leave "half" as the last line, a la "he leaves a calling card" in Begins. I like symmetry.
Hi, I'm filmgenius by dr sauch	Aug 12th, 2007 10:36:00 AM
I have very, very few friends, and even they tire of my incessant pontifications after about 15 minutes. I took a film history class at community college, and now I feel it is my duty, nay, my privilege, to call you all swiners (i dont remember what goofy insult this tosser used, and I can't be bothered to scroll back up) and let you know that comics are a medium unto themselves! Swoons, faints into the arms of his awaiting manservant You are a touch hole. Batman roxxorz t3h big one. You seem to be about as much fun as a prostate exam. Please, please, go have a beer, relax, and enjoy something with other humans.
My Last SHIT>Daddy Day Camp by lost.rules	Aug 12th, 2007 10:51:31 AM
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Bale kicking ass... by BizarroJerry	Aug 12th, 2007 10:56:26 AM
It's just kind of short sighted to think that size is the only way to decide if someone can beat someone else. First, as people have said, Bale actually is a sort of pumped up guy. But someone being faster, being trained in how to fight, and being kinda crazy can always have a chance to beat some big guy. Whan Bats fights a bunch of people, they're usually, slow, dumb, clumsy thugs.
Yeah, they leaked it, after all. by JackPumpkinhead	Aug 12th, 2007 10:57:19 AM
Yawn. Pretty boring. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =UrNifbuIE10
see, filmgenius? by PirateEmery	Aug 12th, 2007 10:57:55 AM
Ripped apart... I'd say TOTALLY change your writing "style" or stop posting here in the Talkbacks. No one wants to hear you blather on about how we are all inferior because we like "cool" movies. This is Ain't it COOL News, not Ain't it Film Art News. Seriously, I can drive you out of another Talkback if I see fit.
Are those CUM STAINS on the shirt in the second photo? by AICn00b	Aug 12th, 2007 10:59:25 AM
The Joke is on us!
JackPumpkinhead by PirateEmery	Aug 12th, 2007 11:00:37 AM
THAT was brilliant.
PirateEmery by The Funketeer	Aug 12th, 2007 11:01:17 AM
If you think Rhas is a second tier villain then you don't know you're Batman. Joker might be the most recognizable but in terms of telling good stories with a lasting impact, Rhas is where it's at. Joker's just a 1 dimensional psychotic killer. Not much you can do with him really.
Does Man-Bat fit into a 'realistic' world? by Dr Gregory House	Aug 12th, 2007 11:04:40 AM
That would be pretty cool.
The Best Comments/Questions from the panel by The Funketeer	Aug 12th, 2007 11:05:37 AM
Someone already mentioned the fool who asked what casting agency Nolan used so he could try to be an extra on the film. Levitz took the stage and made a comment about how proud DC was of their most recent film output and listed Batman Begins, Superman Returns, History of Violence, Constantine, and V For Vendetta as their most recent films. Someone from the audience shouted out Catwoman which got a little rise out of the crowd and got Levitz to admit that the film sucked. Someone also asked if anyone on the panel would be interested in working on a World's Finest movie and they all enthusiastically said no. Bale never got a chance to answer but Goyer, Nolan, and Levitz all displayed very little interest in the idea.
Funky by PirateEmery	Aug 12th, 2007 11:08:19 AM
I am a child of the 90's: my Batman came in the form of The Animated Series. But yes, I do have to agree that Ra's is one of my favorite villains, PRE-Begins. The idea of him supposedly living forever, and that he was one of the few Villains that knew Bruce Wayne, is an awesome concept. Also, there are the stories involving Talia... Ra's does deserve 1st Tier, but those spots are taken by Joker, Riddler, Penguin, and several more. These are the ICONIC Batman villains. Ra's is often forgotten. Yes, I stand by saying that Ra's is a second tier.
My Megan Fox Sex Slave Amatuer Porn (Featuring Me) by LaserPants	Aug 12th, 2007 11:22:56 AM
Would have MERZBOW on the soundtrack. Now THATS powernoise; a seriously relentless derangement of the senses perfectly suited for the idea of sexual slavery. Haven't read any of the spoilers listed above, but I'm really psyched for THE DARK KNIGHT.
Ra's al Ghul 2nd tier? by jfp2007	Aug 12th, 2007 11:23:59 AM
Someone mentioned someone saying this. Whoever originally said that doesn't know jack or shit about Batman and his Rogue's Gallery. Ra's is one of the top villains and always has been since his creation. He's the only one who knows Bat's true identity, and his schemes always involve him trying to kill billions of people at a time. Also, the way they pronounced his name in Batman Begins is wrong. It isn't Roz all gool. It's raish all gool. They even made a little joke about this in the Batman Beyond episode where Terry McGinnis calls him Roz instead of Raish. Talia corrects him and says it's a common mistake. It is and always has been Raish (like Raid with an "sh" on the end instead of a "d").
godhelpus by jfp2007	Aug 12th, 2007 11:30:56 AM
You're a maroon. Just a hopeless idiot with no grasp or concept of Batman or anything else most likely.
why must harry by weaponx31	Aug 12th, 2007 11:39:18 AM
always fill us in on what him and yoko are doing. just give the news.
Finally! The Joker Arrives.... by lost.rules	Aug 12th, 2007 11:49:29 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =7PeFqYU2sJo
No real comment except ... by Boris Baddenov	Aug 12th, 2007 12:20:07 PM
I am HYPED for next year's release of THE DARK KNIGHT !!!!!
IN line for 11 hours = Greatest Con Experience? by Doc_Strange	Aug 12th, 2007 12:46:58 PM
Fuck that, I'd be checking out vendors, buying toys and comics instead of standing in line for what is sure to be something that shows or gives absolutely nothing or very little complete with a bunch of celeb worship. No thanks.
I still think Keaton's Wayne was better than Bale's by Doc_Strange	Aug 12th, 2007 12:58:33 PM
Keaton wore his pain on his face. You hardly ever saw him smile and when he wasn't talking to anyone he was in the Batcave brooding over his parents. To me, he just seemed darker and more realistic. Plus I think his voice was better suited to Batman than Bale. However, I do think both movies have their merits and do a great job but I prefer the Tim Burton movies.
moners by messi	Aug 12th, 2007 01:48:19 PM
thanks man, but the one I did against getafe where I broke the laws of physics is considered by some to be the best goal ever, so i think that one is better. Tokyo Drift
Doc_Strange by messi	Aug 12th, 2007 01:51:10 PM
you are crazy. Bale's Bruce Wayne was perfect. It's late so I won't describe why, or what scenes, i think the look he gives to Ra's "and this time no misguided idealists will get in the way". I just though 'holy shit it's bruce wayne' that look in his eyes. theres more but i want to watch football right now.
Villians: sky is the limit by kafka07	Aug 12th, 2007 02:01:29 PM
Certainly Clayface or Mr. Freeze wouldn't work in a Chris Nolan Batman film. But I think this current series will last for quite a while, much in the same way James Bond has over the years. It's very likely that by like the sixth or tenth Batman film, when Bale and Nolan aren't involved anymore, the series will have changed enough so that a character like Killer Croc or Mr Freeze would be used, which will be fine by me as long as they don't have Tim Story directing (he would bring in Bat-Mite). Robin will likely show up too, but I predict not until movie 5 or 6. One of the things I like about the series (since 'Begins') so far is that they are not killing off every villian. I doubt they will kill the Joker (they would be insane to). Scarecrow is back in 'Dark Knight'. Even Falconi could make a return at some point. The Batman Nolanverse won't be short on "realistic" villians throughout its three or four film series.
nice Sonic Screwdriver! by lynxpro	Aug 12th, 2007 02:12:12 PM
Nice to see there is overlap between Doctor Who fans and Batman fans.
Do you think Bale has good fight skills? by cyclo	Aug 12th, 2007 02:18:29 PM
Camera tricks can usually make non-fighters look like fighters. But even camera tricks COULD NOT make Christian Bale look like a skilled fighter in BB. Remember, the prison fight scene in Tibet? Was that some fucking joke or what? I repeat, "Protection for them!" was the most laughable line I've ever heard in a movie. The guy displays no fight skills yet takes on 6 thugs at once and win. Are you FUCKING KIDDING ME? Would you also believe Michael J. Fox could take on 6 thugs at once and win? You have to be FUCKING RETARDED to believe Bale in the part. While a good actor, he is simply not believable in the role of Batman. I also don't think his wearing a constant smirk/smart-ass grin on his face makes for the best Bruce Wayne either. Not to mention he's undersized for the part at 5'11" tops. Remember how Alfred and Lucious Fox towered over him? Bale was a fucking dwarf compared to Alfred!
Joker by The Mastermime	Aug 12th, 2007 02:23:00 PM
The problem I have with the Joker is that he often loses his appeal, I mean the guy is a sick fuck thats for sure, but he has little else going for him. Two Face as I have already said is a better character, he has more depth, like catwoman. Personally I would love to see Nolan turn Batman 3 into the long halloween, I would die an insanely happy man if that was the case, but probably it will end up some tweeniecentric holywood raped money maker, not an exceptionally written detective story. If that is the case then it was fun while it lasted P.S. I would love to see a Worlds Finest Film
Eva Green is Robert Smith of The Cure with boobies by lynxpro	Aug 12th, 2007 02:28:55 PM
And anyone who watched the BAFTAs know that to be true.
Ra's should return in 3 with Talia... by lynxpro	Aug 12th, 2007 02:29:52 PM
And Talia Al Ghul should be portrayed by Ms. Monica Bellucci. The character of Rachel Dawes should have never been created and Talia should have been the love interest in Begins.
jfp2006 by godhelpus	Aug 12th, 2007 02:39:45 PM
Here's one thing I do know...you can't spell. It might help next time you're in a vitriolic fit.
I love Bellucci by Yawkey	Aug 12th, 2007 03:00:09 PM
but she's too old to be Talia now. Aishwarya Rai, ftw
"Only Half" ....not Half by jgtkd	Aug 12th, 2007 03:01:13 PM
I was there. And Harvey Dent's reaction to the question "I thought you were dead" was "Only Half". It made it more comical than anything. " Also, during the footage it looked as if the batmoble had it's back end exploded while in the air. It could have been just a really large boost, but they followed it up with scenes of Batman riding his new Motorcycle. One also cool thing to note. Gary Olman confirmed that he is the commissioner and that he has had a few scenes with Heath Ledger and said that his performance is brilliant".
nice one by mrbong	Aug 12th, 2007 03:01:59 PM
i do not recall a time when a film was so anticipated, probably Phantom Menace. let's hope this one pans out a bit better.
messi by Galva	Aug 12th, 2007 03:03:41 PM
I read the Chud article as well, and while I see what he means, I disagree for the following reasons: 1. Mood and cast is a lot, but it isn't everything. A bad third act can ruin an otherwise good movie. Both X-Men and Batman Begins have excellent casts, and really wonderfully strong openings, but the third act crumbles. 2. Everything in Batman MOTP worked with very few issues- voice acting, animation, plot, direction- everything was great. No overt problems, wheras BB has some major issues. 3. Personally- and keep in mind this all has to do with prefrence- Batman only ever works for me two ways. First, as something anachronistic- something that takes place in either some kind of weird retro styled world (like BTAS), or as a complete lunatic (like in Dark Knight Returns). The whole premise of Batman doesn't make sense any other way, and trying to do him "serious" and "realistic" doesn't make a damn lick of sense. 4. Another personal gripe: The female interest was an irritant, and was completely un needed. Every fucking Bat-movie in existence has a love angle, and while it works out just fine in Phantasm, it sputters and chokes Begins. Remove the romance angle, and change her character to Harvey Dent, and it would have improved the movie by 80%, and made a wonderful set up for Two Face (my favorite bat-villain, by the way), creating a strong emotional resonance when they fight.
And messi- by Galva	Aug 12th, 2007 03:06:41 PM
- though there was little action in Mask of the Phantasm, and even less of it was spectacular, you could at least tell what the bleeding hell was going on. "Shaky cam" literally translates into "shitty choreography"- I get that it's supposed to draw you in closer to the action and "make you feel like you're there," it only works out that way in rare situations. Batman is about action- let's actually SEE a fight scene. Again, a personal qualm.
take it easy, cyclo dude by occula	Aug 12th, 2007 03:35:10 PM
i would say you're exhibiting repressed feelings with your alarming analysis of christian bale's physicality if you weren't clouding the issue with your equally alarming fixation on michael j. fox's physicality. being fixated on christian bale is kind of an accepted pasttime for us women, but i'm wondering if you might want to reassess.
i know why they do it by occula	Aug 12th, 2007 03:38:21 PM
'they' (meaning the guys in the room) always junk stuff up with the romance angle because they're trying to pull in a female demographic. but you know - i think the latest bourne is showing that dragging things down with 'romance' is not necessary anymore. there's approximately 15 seconds of 'did they used to do it?' in that movie and then on with the show, and i don't think any less women are flocking to see it because of that. we want to see a smart action film as much as the next guy.
Love THE SHINING Animation In The Upper Left by LaserPants	Aug 12th, 2007 03:40:18 PM
Where are the creepy little girls, though?!
Half!!! by jarodvhale	Aug 12th, 2007 03:47:53 PM
love it....
What are the chances.... by Tigereyes	Aug 12th, 2007 03:50:51 PM
Its my first post but what are the chances that Rachel Dawes will be driven into insanity by Joker and become his Harley Quinn?
Tigereyes by Galva	Aug 12th, 2007 04:04:35 PM
That'd actually be pretty sweet. I hate the Rachel Dawes character, it'd be nice if lots of bad stuff would happen to her, then she'd go crazy and jump around in a skimpy outfit before falling off a cliff or being put into an institution or something.
I can't believe... by jsm1978	Aug 12th, 2007 04:19:31 PM
that in all the filmgenius hate, no one called him out for saying Frank Miller created Batman...
11 Hours in Line by The Funketeer	Aug 12th, 2007 04:22:53 PM
I don't think he meant he waited 11 hours in line for this panel alone, but in total for the day. Either way it's still pretty sad but if you want something signed by one of the more popular writers or artists, you have to get there early and camp out. The lines get capped pretty quickly.
megan fox is just not hot enough for me to get past by slappy jones	Aug 12th, 2007 04:25:06 PM
her complete lack of acting talent. she is awful.
I'm an idiot by Bagheera	Aug 12th, 2007 04:40:37 PM
why wasn't I there?! That sounds incredibly freaking awesome. Goddamn it Chicago.
Jolene Blalock as Catwoman by thevision	Aug 12th, 2007 05:08:00 PM
Jolene wears a mask in a scene in "Slow Burn" and I thought she'd make a great Catwoman. Angelina Jolie is the dream choice but she's already playing the Catwoman-like Fox in "Wanted," I doubt Ms. Jolie would play essentially the same character twice. Jolene Blalock looks like Angelina, according to imdb, they were born four months apart in 1975. They had the same makeup artist for "A Mighty Heart" and "Slow Burn." Megan Fox is heart-stopping but she's too young; Selina Kyle is not Barbara Gordon, she is Batman's equal and is not intimidated by him, I like the fact she gets under his skin in the comics. If WB goes young, Selina would be just another sidekick and not the clever experienced thief- CatWOMAN not CatGIRL. Jolene Blalock is a year younger than Bale and she could easily pull off the "slap and tickle" dialogue with Bats. The best rendition of Catwoman is Jim Lee's BATMAN HUSH, the cat goggles are cool- Jolene Blalock in that outfit...OMG!!
GROW THE FUCK UP by demzer	Aug 12th, 2007 05:08:36 PM
It's a Batman ,movie, it ain't the cure for AIDS. People are dying in Irag, man. Get your priorities straight, lame-o.
Why hasn't anyone found the footage yet? by lost.rules	Aug 12th, 2007 05:11:39 PM
WHY????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm counting on you, brothers. I've been looking, but I can't find it. HELP ME.
People are dying in Iraq? Wait! I'll stop it! by lost.rules	Aug 12th, 2007 05:14:58 PM
Oh, right. I can't. Mmmm... Demzer. Why don't you just ask us to cure cancer while you're at it? People are dying from cancer everyday. Get your priorities straight people!
PEOPLE ARE DYING IN CAR CRASHES RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!! by lost.rules	Aug 12th, 2007 05:16:27 PM
I'll stop it!
Whats Irag? by wolvenom	Aug 12th, 2007 05:45:57 PM
LOL..... seriously though I know atleast one of you fuckin nerds wasn't a coward and got us some footage. LETS SEE IT!!
Joker walking down a burning street with a tommy gun by wolvenom	Aug 12th, 2007 05:49:23 PM
sounds a little burtonesque to me or dare I say shumaccer?????
Galva by The Only Woj	Aug 12th, 2007 05:55:51 PM
- love interest was mandated by WB. had to have a love story. - choreography was meant to show how Batman comes out of nowhere, is quick and brutal. I think it worked fine, the problem was cutting away to another area. Fighting ninjas it cut away to Gordon in the Tumbler. Fighting Ra's it cut to ... Gordon in the Tumbler. Rather than feeling like a continuous scene, it was like a montage. Also, the fact that there were time gaps between shots. That sped things up far more than they should have been. Batman kicks Ra's then tackles him, but he's moved five feet between shots that span a couple seconds. that was the biggest problem. it wasn't so much the cuts, but it was the second or two missing between those cuts that made them unrealistically quick.
Time to weigh in...... by tarrded	Aug 12th, 2007 06:23:34 PM
First of all, film genius, you're just plain ignorant. Batman was created by Mr. Bob Kane in 1939. Since you couldn't be bothered in looking THAT up, I think we should all just ignore the rest of your blathering because you obviusly have no idea what you are talking about. By the way, people who talk and think like you tend to wind up in old drafty houses, alone, doing the knuckle shuffle into/onto their numerous thesaureses. As for DK, I'm cautious. I don't like the pics I've seen of Joker thus far. It looks like we've replaced "Wait'll they get a load of me." with "I would f*** me so hard..." Barring that BATMAN BEGINS was the Batman movie I think many of us have been waiting for all our lives so I have the utmost confidence in all involved.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA by performingmonkey	Aug 12th, 2007 06:42:15 PM
You make me smile! All of you fuckups who diss Nolan for his action scenes in Begins. Give the guy a break, he hadn't been there before. Now he has I'm sure we will see a much-improved product in The Dark Knight. Now...WHERE WERE THE OTHER DRUGS GOING??? SWEAR TO ME!!!!!
Thanks Harry and it was a pleasure meeting you too by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz	Aug 12th, 2007 06:42:35 PM
I just caught this ;-). Glad you and your lovely wife enjoyed a visit in Baltimore and you are one of the nicest guys. Truly a class act. I had made a quick post about meeting you on the John Waters when I got back from the Horror Con which was, well awesome lol. Looking forward to meeting you again one day and thanks again for taking the time to chat. You're a great guy Harry.
PETER NORTH by Robots In Das Guys	Aug 12th, 2007 06:45:34 PM
PETER NORTH
Shuttlebatpod by Robots In Das Guys	Aug 12th, 2007 06:52:34 PM
That was WE. Fox tells bruce around the middle of the movie: "your father made WE the unoffical center of gotham" or something like that.
Mr Freeze could work in Nolan's universe... by Demode	Aug 12th, 2007 07:06:37 PM
Mr Freeze could totaly work in Nolan's universe. They would just have to scrap some of things from the comics, like the freeze gun. But a suit that is temperature controlled to keep him alive... sure... I can buy that. I think they could find away to make that work. He is one of the most tragic villians in the Batman universe. It would be a real shame to see him not get a decent movie.
And in regard to the story itself on Batman. by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz	Aug 12th, 2007 07:08:19 PM
Sweet Jesus on a Popsicle stick does this sound like it's going to deliver. I was a little hesitant about Ledger as choice for the Joker but from the sounds of it he may have pulled it off. I am praying this is as good as described.
Can we get some coverage on.. by MrQuick	Aug 12th, 2007 07:16:11 PM
That the Postal Premier.. I kid. really I do
Uhh, great, but if you want "realism" in a Batman movie by Master Bruce	Aug 12th, 2007 07:51:58 PM
then why didn't they just film Frank Miller's BATMAN: YEAR ONE as is? It still holds up as the most realistic treatment The Dark Knight has ever had in the comics. Why let the guy who did INSOMNIA anywhere near this franchise? Didn't the whole Ang Lee/HULK debacle teach these studios anything? BATMAN BEGINS loses all the noir elements of Miller's classic, leaving us w/a plodding, lackluster film that’s a ghost of its former self. And don't even get me started w/the liberties taken; Rachel Dawes...who?...and she grows up w/Bruce in Wayne Manor? Ra's Al Ghul...masquerading as Henri Ducard?...and oh, yeah, he's not an immortal. Bruce Wayne’s training apparently consists of the martial arts only, forgetting that he’s also supposed to be a scientist and the world’s greatest detective! The reduction of or complete non-existence of characters like Commissioner Loeb, Sarah Essen & Selina Kyle, changing Flass from a former Green Beret into a rip-off of the pudgy Lt. Ekhardt from Tim Burton’s BATMAN, Lucius Fox making the antidote to the Scarecrow’s toxin, and for pointing out the need for Robin when Batman can’t be in two places @ once at the film’s end - fight Ra’s or destroy the bridge…hey, Gordon, can you not only drive a hi-tech vehicle but operate it’s weapon systems w/a 2 second tutorial? This movie was a gutted, watered-down version of Miller’s original work. It was also NOT a blockbuster hit, no matter how many times rabid fanboys try to tell you it was. It DID NOT have a first weekend gross of over $100 million like SPIDER-MAN, or SPIDER-MAN 2, etc. It barely cracked $60 that first weekend. Yes, eventually it made its money back, but it wasn't a big hit. I'm also sure after seeing other directors/studios have incredible box office success teaming up w/Frank Miller for both SIN CITY & 300, Warner’s must be quietly kicking themselves for not going w/Miller & Aranofsky on BATMAN: YEAR ONE. All that aside, I hope that THE DARK KNIGHT does for this series what THE WRATH OF KHAN did for STAR TREK. We'll see.
The Only Woj by Galva	Aug 12th, 2007 08:11:30 PM
I know the love interest is mandated, but that's what's really frustrating about it. It's on some damned checklist- "film must contain the following." Must be PG13, must have (female) love interest, must contain no less than 3 explosions, etc. Batman can be great at any ratings designation, and the romance angle can work. It just didn't here.
Master Bruce by Galva	Aug 12th, 2007 08:11:58 PM
Ire aside, you're pretty much right.
Master Bruce... by Damer1	Aug 12th, 2007 08:30:11 PM
I didn't know $371 mil was lousy... Go get a camera and an education so you can be the next great "Batman" director.
people who missed the point of the "love interest" by drave117	Aug 12th, 2007 09:26:02 PM
Rachel Dawes was not his love interest in the film. She was a symbolic representation of his rejecting of the humanity within him in favor of the beast he is trying to become. While I do agree that the portrayal of her was very weak, I thought she was a very effective storytelling device, and pretty much the only "romance" in a comic book movie that I have not had a problem with. Sure, others have done the "I can't be with you because I am noble and want to protect you and you'll get hurt and I can't pay attention to you." I absolutely LOVED seeing it from the other side, where a woman basically says "I can't be with you because you aren't even human anymore."
Master Bruce by Charlie Murphy	Aug 12th, 2007 09:32:24 PM
it's never stated that Ra's wasn't immortal in Begins. It's not even brought up. You're right about the noir elements of Year One, but not about the box office stuff. no, it wasn't an immediate hit, but word of mouth was so strong, the movie enjoyed a long(ish) theatrical run and dvd sales were great. people weren't sure what the fuck Begins was going to be, so they didn't go see it. i read just a few months ago on some shitty website that some asshole is still calling Begins a prequel to B89, and two years ago, all folks remembered was the last batman movie they saw, and didn't want to go near the character again. but, again, the word of mouth was awesome. and another thing, i think you're completely overreacting about Loeb, Sarah Essen and those others. a movie isn't bad because it doesn't feature those characters, or handles them differently. do you honestly think sarah essen could have been shoe horned into Begins? I don't. There's plenty of time for Selina Kyle, and who gives a flying fuck about Flass? Christopher Nolan never ever said Begins was a Year One adaptation. EVER. He said many times it was influenced by Year one, along with many others. It's not supposed to be a direct translation, and never claimed to be such. Begins' only purpose was to reintroduce, and to an extent, reinvent Batman for today's audience. To wipe the slate clean of what came before, and to make a realistic Batman movie. That's it. and it fucking worked. sure, rachel dawes is a throwaway character and gordon drives the batmobile, and hey you forgot that the waynes didn't see Zorro the night they died, and you'd be right. but to pick the movie apart based on the littlest shit is kinda cunty. the movie succeeded where it needed to. you're entitled to your interpretation, i'm not trying to convince you that you should up and love the movie, because i don't give a fuck if you do or not, but some of your logic leaps were a little too big to go uncontested.
deliverance. from your own stupidity. by droidonthemoon	Aug 12th, 2007 09:52:39 PM
kiss my ass. i'm from hickory. best town you jackasses will ever see. drave117 has a good point. dawes was played ... not half bad, but her role in the movie is, as drave117 says, spot on. nolan does a good job with that. and i will be very interested in seeing what role her part is in this one. maybe bringing the beast back a bit into humanity after we see the dualism that dent provides. which side of the coin is batman on, and does dawes help him retain the humanity at all or does he go all the way down the dark alley like joker does. the first film was all about fear (a little too much about it, maybe, but done really well) and i think it would be very interesting to see the second film done as piece in duality. (by way of duelity) like shelley's frankenstein, or melville's moby dick. really looking forward to this.
duality by drave117	Aug 12th, 2007 10:12:36 PM
Yeah, I am definitely predicting that "duality" will replace "fear" as the theme for this next one, and that is just fine with me. We'll see how it pans out. I know I am really excited about it. Seeing Batman Begins for the first time ranks up there with my best experiences as a comic book geek. I spent all evening geeking out with the person I saw it with, and our mutual reaction was "Finally! Somebody GETS Batman!" I've seen it a ton of times since then, and my ONLY complaint with it is that I don't think Katie Holmes turns in much of a performance. The fact that Nolan replaced her ass means that he is willing to admit his mistakes and learn from them.
Master Bruce, maybe we didn't see the same movie. by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz	Aug 12th, 2007 10:23:07 PM
Nolan's Batman is one of the finest comic book movies to ever grace the screen. Simply put it was almost perfect. My only issue was Holmes so getting Jake's sister for the next one is just an improvement. But really how the hell can you tear Batman Begins apart? It felt so genuine in it's delivery and made me a believer that a man could become a "Batman", or a "Scarecrow". The part of Ra was brilliant in how it was handled. Also keep in mind this is still movie based on a comic book. I mean I've read Batman since I was a kid. I still think that "The Killing Joke" is THE best Batman comic book ever to grace paper even above anything that Frank Miller did. And that's not to say that "The Dark Night" Or "Batman Year One" weren't brilliant. So having been a fan myself all these years I felt Nolan delivered on the promise of a true Batman movie that Burton did not. While I enjoyed watching Burton's movies I never did walk away going "Wow that was really Batman". When I saw Nolan's I had that feeling. Same as I had the feeling when I saw Ang Lee's Hulk. I guess I am in the minority with that one but oh well. I just cannot see how you walked away from "Batman Begins" with those feelings when it really did capture the true nature of the emotion behind why he becomes "Batman" to begin with. No pun intended.
Anyone Have A Link ? by rickdeckard1	Aug 13th, 2007 01:29:18 AM
According to CHUD there's footage on the net, anyone have a link ?
new shit by thegoddamedbatman	Aug 13th, 2007 02:43:46 AM
Hey, I am probably going to be emailing Harry again later, on my way out of chicago, i accidentaly wondered into the GCPD, I have some pictures, they're pretty badass. I am not ffom chicago, or a big city, so I've never walked past the set of a movie before. But walking to union station, my wife pointed off in the distance, and holy shit, there was the gotham city police department. I'll send that in later.
filmgenius is a crazy man by Kenny8	Aug 13th, 2007 04:48:12 AM
Frank Miller created Batman?? Wow, who knew?
disappointment waiting to happen by chargester	Aug 13th, 2007 04:57:19 AM
I can tell you right now this movie will disappoint. 1) You're anticipating it. Bad move. 2) They're going to try to be clever with the Joker and diverge from canon, perhaps badly. But I'll say this...if he's not portrayed as lovable and funny, that is one good sign. Andrew Koenig in Batman: Dead End looked utterly perfect, and sounded decent too. Iron Man is the one that'll have the public raving, fans and non-fans alike. The Dark Knight will just be the 2nd best Batman movie. Hope I'm wrong. Personally I'm betting on Iron Man.
Iron man?!!! F$ck off... by gomez33	Aug 13th, 2007 06:36:15 AM
Iron Man has Daredevil shitness written all over it. Good casting aside, The director makes shit films. I'd be surprised to see it break the $250m worldwide.
most anticipated movie in a long time by Geek Sodomizer	Aug 13th, 2007 06:40:48 AM
I hope it doesn't disapoint, a lot of people here are assuming it will be brilliant but I have my doubts..... only because of past let-downs not because I don't have faith in Nolan, I do.
I don't care how scary... by Kid Z	Aug 13th, 2007 07:25:53 AM
... psycho and murderous Ledger is in the role, without the bleached white skin, he's just a crazy guy wearing Stein's Clown White and lipstick, NOT the Joker! Scarecrow was just a creepy dude with a ragged piece of burlap on his head, Ra's had no Lazarus Pit, what's next? Is Two-Face going to just be an attorney who had a stroke? Penguin a fat little ornithologist? Killer Croc just some homeless guy with ecsema? Poison Ivy an FTD Florist gone bad? LAME!
Hickory and Morganton by kevinwillis.net	Aug 13th, 2007 08:09:58 AM
Hickory is frickin' beautiful. I live in Memphis right now, and I'm looking forward to most likely moving to Hickory, NC in the not-too-distant future. And if you're heading to Georgia, you're going the wrong way (didya take I-40 to 345?) . . .shoulda taken 345 up to Boone and Blowing Rock. Talk about God's country. It's where the beautiful scenery will make you squeal like a pig. And some mighty fine mountain honey up there. And talk about your furniture options--Hickory has more furniture stores than Harry has chins! Da-dump-dump. BTW, Georgia really isn't Deliverance country, either. Except that they made a movie that urban elitists and left-coast snobs could point to as being an exemplar of all those scary backwoods folks in flyover country. Hey, Harry: go back to Hickory to shop for your furniture. Most shops are manufacturers, they can do almost anything to the furniture you want--upholster it in special stain-resistant materials, make it extra-wide, that sort of stuff. Then come back to golf up in Boone. Or pick a direction into the smokies--every way I've been, it's been beautiful, pictaresque, and some of those college campi up in the mountains would make a great backdrop for some sort of fantastical movie. Then drive across the state to spend some quality beach time up at Hilton Head. BTW, not worried about Harry's deliverance joke (come on, Harry's from Texas, how can he be raggin' on the more-northern south?). Can't people make bad jokes, or talk out of their ass, without being a labeled a "bigot" for something or the other? Sheesh! BTW, Dark Knight will rock. Iron Man will rock. Zarathustra is way under-appreciated, and I say that even though Tim Robbins, Stalin-acolyte and modern-day communist, is the dad. Lots of great practical effects in that movie, and I hope that's what we see in Iron Man. Bet it will be.
Sooooo, Harry...... by Arch Nemesis	Aug 13th, 2007 08:48:07 AM
attending Dragon*Con???
Screw you WB and Nolan by Frankenbastard	Aug 13th, 2007 09:01:28 AM
Hey nice job WB for not screening anything at the San Diego Comicon. It's nice to know who’s pocket you're in now. This movie is shaping up to be one giant stupid toy commercial and I’m sorry, give us the god damned Joker already, not some 50+ fat guy like in the Burton version or some pie faced dude with emo Crow makeup on. Wake up stupid this ain’t the Joker. I'm already sick of this move. Hollywood, stop compromising for a change and don’t try and tell us it’s a re-imagining of the original version. How hard is it to make a freaking comic book movie? The first one was spiffy though. San Dimas High School Football Rules!
frankenbastard by BurgerKing	Aug 13th, 2007 09:14:53 AM
Uh oh, looks like someone didn't get their bottle this morning..or maybe feeling a bit rejected because we wanted some leakers from Comicon to post the footage online? Comicon got Iron Man, that's a decent enough payoff. Don't be such a fucking crybaby.
Bale's fighting skills... by Abin Sur	Aug 13th, 2007 09:50:30 AM
Someone WAY up in the TB said that Bale didn't have much in the way of fighting style...if you think so, it's NOT his fault. Watch Equilibrium and see how fluidly he moves, whether it's at gunplay, swordplay, or just pistol-whipping 6 guys at the same time. As much as I loved BB, I didn't see any fight sequences that lived up to the ones in Equilibrium. Gunkata!
ta-daaaa by Lost Prophet	Aug 13th, 2007 10:18:09 AM
and with a whiff of sulpher I am Moviemack crawls out of the woodwor- 2 troll draws at the same time: The Hobbit and PJ for Ringy and Batman news that doesn't tally with Moviemack's precise vision of a Dark Knight world. I love these rows.
shitbags by Lost Prophet	Aug 13th, 2007 10:18:29 AM
I meant "woodwork".
by the way Moviemack by Lost Prophet	Aug 13th, 2007 10:19:27 AM
I think "the rest of us" is already convinced. it's jus tyou that pours endless scorn on Nolan and this Batman.
"muscle memory fiber"? by Mr. Nice Gaius	Aug 13th, 2007 10:26:00 AM
I believe it was "memory cloth". And yes, the color brown (sepia) ensures that Nolan's universe reigns supreme over Burton's goth-camp.
film genius by thekylegassproject	Aug 13th, 2007 10:47:40 AM
their is no fucking way this guy is for real..."i'm an adult who is being educated by the world's greatest film scholars, because surely, you are unable to understand what it takes to enjoy film as a medium...blah, blah...UN-FUCKING-BELIEVABLE
Can someone please respond to this... by thekylegassproject	Aug 13th, 2007 10:50:44 AM
i'm sure this has been talked about on AICN before, however, hollywood gossip is not my long suit. does anyone know why katie holmes is not going to reprise her role as rachel dawes?
"Can someone please respond to this..." by Frankenbastard	Aug 13th, 2007 10:58:21 AM
5 simple words... Tom Cruise is a freak.
or alternatively by Lost Prophet	Aug 13th, 2007 10:59:19 AM
5 simple words: Utterly talentless waste of space
this is fun by Lost Prophet	Aug 13th, 2007 11:01:37 AM
more examples: busy giving birth to thetan she developed post natal depression film far better without her I wonder how many there are.
acting not her strong suit by Lost Prophet	Aug 13th, 2007 11:02:34 AM
fuck it. Outta here
Burger king by Frankenbastard	Aug 13th, 2007 11:03:16 AM
Yea buddy, you told me off, great job, high 5! Where the hell did the bootleg footage comment come from? I'm going back to drink my big boy coffee.
"Can someone please respond to this..." part 2 by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz	Aug 13th, 2007 11:04:27 AM
Pretty much yeah Tom Cruise but to elaborate on that. It was rumored Tom did not want Katie doing any movies that involved love scenes so he had her turn down that script as well as others.
Is that true? by Lost Prophet	Aug 13th, 2007 11:06:48 AM
fucking hell. What a selfish nobhead. I hope she didn't sign a prenup so she can take him to the fucking cleaners when the inevitable divorce happens
more examples by Frankenbastard	Aug 13th, 2007 11:07:10 AM
Those are great I like you Prophet you're a good egg. Here's one A complete block of wood
no problem frank by Lost Prophet	Aug 13th, 2007 11:11:04 AM
I clearly need more of them: busy finding loopholes in prenup crackpot religion told her "no" Thinks Bruce Wayne is real trying to relaunch Dawson's creek Caught her husband blowing aliens The nutter really can fly
course you do. by Lost Prophet	Aug 13th, 2007 11:12:03 AM
It would be a pity to not like yourself. Don't be coy, own up to it. There is no shame having to regenerate like Doctor Who after an incarnation has a fatality.
this guy didn't mention the scar on dent's face by lavatory love machine	Aug 13th, 2007 11:13:09 AM
it was big
pathetic by Lost Prophet	Aug 13th, 2007 11:32:31 AM
really, dude, that is sad.
OMG OMG SPOILERS!!1 by yesiamaplant	Aug 13th, 2007 11:34:20 AM
You guys are such moronic pansies. Do you put in ear plugs and hide your head underneath your jacket in the theater when trailers play? Nothing up there is any more of a spoiler than something that would be in a trailer. Besides, its a film panel. This is a designated place for film makers to talk about their MOVIE. This means INFORMATION ABOUT THE MOVIE WILL BE GIVEN. If you didn't want the information, then you shouldn't have clicked the goddamned link.
I Am Batman- Where's the arrogance by Lovecraftfan	Aug 13th, 2007 11:39:29 AM
Last time I checked Nicholson's Joker doesnt fit into Nolan's Batman universe. He's not dissing Nicholson or his performance he's simply stating fact.
see, I had to look that up by Lost Prophet	Aug 13th, 2007 11:46:55 AM
As I had no idea what the fuck you were going on about. You are an absolute Batman trainspotter. In fact, you are the Batman equivalent of ringy.
I am Batman by Mr. Nice Gaius	Aug 13th, 2007 11:52:31 AM
The point I made in my previous post is that you made up something completely false. Quote: "You know, the universe where a "realistical" costume is made out of "muscle memory fiber". The costume wasn't made out of "muscle memory fiber". However, the cape (which is distinct from the costume/armor) is made of memory cloth. NOWHERE in the movie is the phrase "muscle memory" uttered. You're hate has crowded your reason and its got you imagining things. Amazing!
Oh cyclo... by GeneralJackCosmo	Aug 13th, 2007 11:56:45 AM
So you're some kind of martial arts expert? Cool. Let's talk. I started taking Karate when I was ten and then at age 19 jumped ship to Gracie Jiu-Jitsu. That was ten years ago. Also dabbled in Arnis and a bit of Kung Fu as well. And I think Bale did fine. Nolan's camera work left a bit to be desired, but Bale himself was ok. Sure, he isn't a "real" fighter...but neither is Jackie Chan or Donnie Yen or Sammo Hung: They are ACTORS trained in the Peking Opera tradition which includes martial arts training for PERFORMANCE PURPOSES. They are actors trained to perform martial arts in order to entertain people, JUST LIKE CHRISTIAN BALE. Sure, he trained for a few months whereas they trained for years, but it's still the same thing. On the other hand, Chuck Norris is an actual badass martial artist. He pretty mush owned competitive Karate for the better part of a decade. He probably COULD beat the shit out of five hardass motherfuckers at the same time (at least in his prime)...and guess what? His movies fucking SUCK. Know why? Because he's a "real fighter" and not an ACTOR. If I want to see real fighters I watch the UFC. When I want to be transported to another world populated by fictional characters, I watch a MOVIE starring PROFESSIONAL ACTORS. Pretty simple concept.
before I go- by Lost Prophet	Aug 13th, 2007 12:18:14 PM
is the ventriloquist/ Scarface villain in the comics? or is it only the cartoon (that admittedly I don't watch) that makes your 2-incher stand up proud?
Unrelated, but sad news... by Kid Z	Aug 13th, 2007 12:32:21 PM
... Comic artist Mike Weiringo died over the weekend. For details, check this link: http://www.comicbookresources. com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=11590
drave117 by oisin5199	Aug 13th, 2007 12:59:24 PM
Your comment way up there about Rachel is totally on the mark. I've been saying that for a long time - she's NOT a love interest, and I'm tired of people saying that. Everything you've said is totally what I would say. I had to look twice to see if I had posted it.
GeneralJackCosmo by BringingSexyBack	Aug 13th, 2007 01:00:24 PM
Are you sure Donnie Yen is not a "real" fighter? Because the way he rocks onscreen I'll bet he can kick ass for realz. And what's your take on Jet Li?
Jason Statham has awesome screen fights by BringingSexyBack	Aug 13th, 2007 01:02:33 PM
but I understand he didn't even know anything about martial arts until he did The One with Jet Li. Is that true?
BROKEBACK BATCAVE by BringingSexyBack	Aug 13th, 2007 01:03:22 PM
Looking forward to the anal scene.
I really liked Schumacher's Batman by BringingSexyBack	Aug 13th, 2007 01:05:23 PM
because there was nothing else to watch at the time. I consider this the post-LOTR and post-Harry Potter era, where we know goodness does exist in cinema.
AllPowerfulWizardOfOz by Yeti	Aug 13th, 2007 01:21:03 PM
Yeah Cruise Controls. Robo Bride obviously had no real idea what she was getting into when she signed that contrac- I mean got married.
I would sign away my soul to the Scientologists by BringingSexyBack	Aug 13th, 2007 01:23:38 PM
for millions of dollars. Beats working for a living.
i wonder if maggie found it akward around heath? by Automation Overlord	Aug 13th, 2007 01:46:55 PM
i mean, he did have butt secs with her brother
"dissing" Nicholson by mrbong	Aug 13th, 2007 03:15:38 PM
the problem with Nicholson's joker was that it was two dimensional. seeing him manic in a picture was great, but on screen there was not a lot to do, except bad jokes, enema references and the odd, lame killing. there was no depth or interest to the character at all, not even in the way he was "transformed" into The Joker - in the 'real' world of the mafia, a loyal, psychotic hitman would be valued much higher than some babe. Nicholson, Keaton and Burton had fuck all to do with "saving" or rejuvenating Batman - WB's awesome advertising for a mediocre film did that.
Headgeek by mrbong	Aug 13th, 2007 03:17:41 PM
paying homage to The Shining starting on a day so significant to the world of Elvis worshipers? i think you should tell everyone what's on your mind.......
Scarecrow by Silverglade	Aug 13th, 2007 04:43:38 PM
I wonder how much Scarecrow is in the film. If he encounters the Joker, are they rivals or allies? Scarecrow was pretty crazy but I bet he finds the Joker fucking insane. I wonder if Scarecrow becomes another Joker thug or if he chooses to remain an "independent" villain in his own right. Is the Wayne Manor house re-built in this. after Ra's burned it down. Ahh can't wait.
Spoilers? ....come on.... by i kick tits	Aug 13th, 2007 06:19:29 PM
Its really dumb when people flip out over stuff like this and then yell "Spoilers!!!". This movie is a year away, did you think they weren't going to reveal TwoFace was in it when they did their gigantic marketing blitz? Relax, nothing is being spoiled that wouldn't have been spoiled anyway when you asked to "Biggie Size" your Diet-Coke, just so you could get your dumb little scratch off game piece and hold on to that hope that maybe there was a chance your dreams could still come true.
Christian Bale is perfect for the role by McCroskey	Aug 13th, 2007 06:37:36 PM
cyclo I agree with you that its ideal for the actor to come across as someone believable as a world-class ass kicker. You're wrong, however, in saying Bale falls short. First of all, he is head and shoulders above his predecessors in Keaton, Kilmer, and Clooney. Kilmer had potential, but Keaton and Clooney were completely unbelievable as a world class fighter. Bale is also vastly superior to Jake Gylenhaal who was the runner-up for the part when they cast "Begins." Gyllenhaal would have been a complete disaster, so it is a bit strange how Nolan got it so right with Bale, yet was so close to a horrible mistake with the other guy. As to Bale himself, he is an athletic man, about 6'1, and was in excellent shape for Begins. He looks about as powerful as a normal (and by that I mean someone short of a WWE physique) looking human being can in that movie. Bale also has that menacing, dangerous quality about him that helps sell him as a badass. In addition, he looks like the patrician blue blood that Bruce Wayne is supposed to be. In short, Bale is perfect for the part. You can't do better than him.
Bale is perfect for everything. by i kick tits	Aug 13th, 2007 06:41:20 PM
I may be going out on a limb here, but I am going to have to say that Christian Bale is one of the best actors of his generation; if not THE best.
Mike Wieringo dies and no official shoutout here? by TheGhostWhoLurks	Aug 13th, 2007 09:46:55 PM
That Ain't Cool... >:( The man deserves a silent clock, at least.
i kick tits by messi	Aug 13th, 2007 11:13:03 PM
many many people consider him to be the best actor of his generation, many already consider him to be one of the greatest actors on the planet, some(which is a fair few) consider him and daniel day lewis the two best actors on the planet.
Wow man. That's beat that Mike Wieringo died. by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz	Aug 13th, 2007 11:30:21 PM
His work on Robin was awesome. And so sudden to. Heart failure in case anyone doesn't know. He just made his last post on Friday of a Zelda sketch :-(. RIP Mike.
Wizard World by Batmouse5	Aug 13th, 2007 11:46:47 PM
I was at the panel in Chicago, and it really amuses me that people are judging this before they have even seen one frame of film. Admittedly some of the questions asked were just plain dumb. But some,like the one who asked Bale what his inspiration for his portrayal of Batman came from were thoughtful. Bale to to his credit said that truthfully he hadn't thought much of Batman thinking that the character was more attuned to Adam West and was more of a farce. But he said after reading "Batman: Year One", and then " Dark Knight Returns" and the O'Neil and Adams stories, he became excited about the possibilities of what could be done with the character. The Nolan's and David Goyer then talked about what they were inspired by for their version of the Joker. They said right away they knew that Jack Nicholson's version of the Joker wouldn't fit the framework they had already laid out in the first film. Christopher Nolan said that they had read all the great Joker stories like "The Killing Joke","Arkham Asylum",etc.He said someone gave him copies of the first 2 Joker stories from the Golden Age, and at the end of the day Ledger had probably drawn more inspiration from those stories than anything else. Nolan said that those 2 stories captured the tone he was trying to achieve for the Joker, and THAT is the direction they decided to go in.I mean it doesn't get better than that, going back to the original source material! Gary Oldman even went a step further and declared that the people will not believe how extraordinary Ledger's performance really is.I mean Gary Fricken Oldman is going out of his way to heap praise on a fellow colleague!!!! His comments were unsolicited. And the rest of them to a man followed suit. I am convinced this was more than just pandering, they seemed to be genuinely offering praise to a colleague at the top of his game. So before you haters and nay sayers throw in your flaming remarks let me state that; I saw the footage ,it was fricken amazing, people WILL be blown away, and when this movie comes out and is 2 to 3 times more popular than the 1st movie, I'll come back and throw flames right back at ya!! I believe in Harvey Dent!!!!
AnimalStructure by Lost Prophet	Aug 14th, 2007 03:50:48 AM
Do you like anything?
Did anyone ask about the fight scenes; by McCroskey	Aug 14th, 2007 07:06:14 AM
specifically, how they will be filmed this time, and if we will actually be able to see the moves and tell what is going on? I love "Batman Begins", and I think that Nolan's rationale for the chaotic, hard-to-follow fight scenes worked for the dock scene. But when Batman fought the ninjas and Ras, it would have been nice had he gone for a different filming/editing style. This is a common gripe about BB even among its fans, so I hope Nolan changes things up a bit this time, especially if its true that the new suit allows Bale much more mobility.
STOP MENTIONING MARK HAMIL'S LAME JOKER by wolvenom	Aug 14th, 2007 08:58:45 AM
and his fucking irritating voice work on that gay ass fucking batman cartoon. Im going to fucking cry. I was reading fucking ign and apparently some fucking braindead retard thought it was a good idea to tell the panel that hamil's voice work on the joker was the be all and end all of what the joker should be. People like that who think they're speaking for all us real batman fans makes me sick. HEY FUCKOS!!! YOU STUPID HAMIL FANS NEED TO READ FUCKING BATMAN COMICS AND STOP BASING ALL YOUR BATMAN FANDOM ON THAT STUPID FUCKING CARTOON! I CAN TELL A POSEUR BATMAN FAN FROM A MILLION MILES AWAY...AS SOON AS HE FUCKING MENTIONS HAMIL AS THE BEST JOKER EVER I THEN ASK HIM WHAT HIS FAVORITE BATMAN COMIC WAS... AND HE'S STUMPED FOR WORDS CAUSE ALL HE FUCKING KNOWS IS THE STUPID CARTOON.. HELLO FUCKOS!!! BATMAN IS A FUCKING COMIC!!! NOT A CHEAP RIP OFF IMITATION CARTOON!! YOU ARE NOT A BATMAN FAN IF YOU CAN'T BACK UP YOUR FANDOM WITH ATLEAST HAVING READ A FEW OF THE COMICS... IM SURE WE ALL THINK HAMIL'S OVER THE TOP FUCKING HAMMED UP COMEDIC PSEUDO JOKER WAS THE BOMB!!! NOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT...
Cool Touch With The Blacklight Shirts by Kragmose	Aug 14th, 2007 04:53:23 PM
God I want one...
why is the bat cloth not a realistic option? by occula	Aug 14th, 2007 05:51:49 PM
don't you know the military has been developing smartcloth for years? it's absolutely not out of the realm of possibility.
2 major villians in a struggle for equal time ... by Rufferto	Aug 14th, 2007 08:16:35 PM
"You want to kill the Bat I want to kill the bat! Let's team up! QuiCK! We only have 20 minutes left!"
blacklight shirts by FriendliestGost	Aug 14th, 2007 08:47:55 PM
you can still get some cheap on ebay: http://tinyurl.com/3eyws8
Back in the summer of EIGHT-Y Nine... by 'Cholera's Ghost	Aug 14th, 2007 11:12:57 PM
"Oohhhhhh yeah-ah. I guess nothin' can LAST for-ev-er...those were, the best days of my life." Anyway, I'm glad 89 is back. Jones. Batman, etc. etc.
Glad to see someone else saw Equilibrium, Abin Sur by 'Cholera's Ghost	Aug 14th, 2007 11:16:40 PM
Gunkata! Anyway, if Christian Bale was a chick, I would make out with him. I would lead with the tongue. I'm sorry, people, that's just true.
Miami Vice ?!?! by Lost Prophet	Aug 15th, 2007 04:26:56 AM
utter shit- the whole film deserves damning just for the "hola chica" dialogue between Colin Farrell and that bird during sex. Funny story, watched that with the wife and she hated it. She commented about every 3 minutes that Colin Farrell wasn't convincing as a super smooth vice cop as he "just looks like he smells"
Batsuit Over Engineered. by Overgauss	Aug 19th, 2007 05:03:19 AM
There's a point where adding thingiebobs for the sake of making something look AWESOME, sadly reminds us that this is hollywood, and we should expect no better. The bat look should be derived by being true to the spirit of the source material. I'm tired of hollywood trying to doll up bats. Technically bats could look like a hobo in a cape and he would still kick ass. It's too early in his bat career for his suit to look so technical imo.
the new suit by thegoddamedbatman	Aug 22nd, 2007 06:09:54 AM
I think it's the best yet. It looks like he can move in there, which has always bothered me about every other batsuit. They usually look rediculous.

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