2. It all adds up to nothing at all, and we realize the crap we've been fed is just that - pure, grade A pretentious bullSHIT. And David Milch laughs at of us all the way to the fucking bank.

With the way the show's been so far, I don't see a middle ground between the two possibilities.

As cheap as this show is to produce, HBO shouldn't have any trouble going for a second season even if it means a not so large viewership but finishing the story. The whole run of JFC probably about as much as one episode of Rome. So come on HBO, just OK a second season so Milch can finish his story.

Because they ALL nailed their characters.

Because we see an emotionally stunted and traumatized group of people grow and bond outside their normal habitats.

Because the show suggests more than it reveals. It promises and hints at great unexplored depths while taking us their very slowly.

It's great because it reflects the everyday world. A world we can see. A world where we can picture any of the characters walking in the street with us.

It's great because the Nanday communicates telepathically with Bill.

It's great because the dialogue has specific meaning.

It's great because it has NOT used cheap and tawdry sex to prop up poorly written, acted and directed material. As we see with most tv.

It's great because it is written for adults and not teenyboppers.

Its great because you need to think about the show after each episode.

Its great because you have to think why the episode left you feeling something.

Its great because it doesn't assume you are stupid and needs to walk you through every developing aspect.

Its great because it is quotable.

Besides Butchie is the messiah, he is undergoing a second coming.

Seems like that's the question that needs answering here, not if it's a good show or not. People like it. People don't. Those that don't..........don't watch it........unless you think maybe, just maybe those of us here that do get it and enjoy it might actually be onto something.

I was hooked by this show from episode 1, but lately have been left feeling a little unsatisfied.... If everyone keeps on healing, it loses a bit of drama.... I dunno

If John ( John the Baptist, John Frum) comes to Butchie for something other than a link to Sean then he is the pre-cursor to the messiah.

If you go back to the family picture during the cookout Butchie appears twice with a dead guy in between. Through death is a link between the past and future.

Besides Sean as messiah is way too easy. And Butchie has yet to play his ace unlike Mitch and Sean.

That's not exact, but that's the jist.

For me, I'm putting my faith, such as it is, in the creators and writers. They start with a purpose, and I think they will pay off.

And while PJ may not have been or will be the best actor, I thought the segment led to a great ending. I think Ineed an assistant.

It'll be nice to see how the office for each guy plays into the story too.

Ari cares about no one but himself...and maybe his family. His character is the steriotypical agent, not only in Hollywood, but around the country and probably the world. I agreee the writing for Ari was down previously this season, but last night was typical Ari...and a damned good addition to the show.

Ari is part of the Entourage's life, thus things that happen to him affect how he deals with the Entourage. Would it have been better if Ari fire the 2 twins due to something in the Entourage...maybe. But you don't count out a regular character in the show...a credited star in the show...if they are doing something outside the group.

...why do all the "lovers" take it so freaking personally when someone criticizes their show. It's a "talkback" not a fucking lovefest. I never have a problem with people on these talkbacks criticizing the shows that I feel border on perfection. But then I'm not a sensitive little girl with sand in my vagina. The only truly annoying people here are the ones screaming at those who won't drink the kool-aid with them. The "haters" here hardly ever attack the lovers, only the shows themselves. The make the lovers the true haters in my book and the haters only critics. I'd say the jury is still out on JFC and I personally don't understand how people can be all that passionate about it one way or the other at this point.

And I agree with fried samurai in that it would be too simple for JFC to parallel the bible. In fact, if that were the case, I would finally know how I felt about the show. It would suck. Religion aside, the stories in the bible are pretty lame and the characters are unbelievable. I know, the bible is reflected time and time again in fiction, but it's typically done through metaphor. If you're are indeed talking about an actual new biblical story here, you'll notice that the story and message changes each time from Judaism to Christianity to Islam and this would not be lost on Milch. Prophets are suppose to refine the word of God, not reiterate it. To have a one to one mapping for Judas and Magdalene would be uninspired and a sad epitaph from the one who brought us Deadwood. It's what you would expect from an E.B. Farnum.

Throughout TV history there are storylines outside of the main topic of the show. Even the Sopranos went outside the immediate family into the sub family and their surrounding relationships. Why is it such a stretch to show us in 1 episode Ari deals with clients other than Vince?

Personally, I thought the crap they wrote for him being no longer the agent earlier this year was crap. I thought the shark had been jumped then. However, Sunday gave us more of less vintage Ari in a different setting. You seem to disagree with the setting. I don't.

BTW, rbrog is so formal. Please call me rb.

For JFC, as someone else pointed out, the siminal (did I spell that right) moment was not this weeks' episode, but last week's when Cass asked if John's father meant well. WOW!! No answer. Instead Cass was put in a "trance"...for lack of a better word. No answer to that this week. No John this week. But big time discussions about who he is, what he is, what this means, etc. Now the question to us is, does John's father mean well or not. And when we find out the answer, we should know what Milch is doing.

Is this the story of the 2nd coming or the coming of the anit-christ? Or maybe it's something else all together. Depending on the answer, we could have a hell of a storyline come next season...hopefully.

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