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Awesome.
by seanny_d
Aug 3rd, 2007
11:53:11 PM
I'm first in line for this!
Bats
by Eh Nam1313
Aug 3rd, 2007
11:54:09 PM
cool
Cool
by Punch Man
Aug 3rd, 2007
11:54:28 PM
Great idea but let's see about the execution. I still want a Frank Miller DKR movie, and not a Timm styled one either.
Sounds good...
by PirateEmery
Aug 3rd, 2007
11:58:17 PM
...do I hear a return of Ra's Al Ghul?
Wanna good anime?
by Wilclas
Aug 4th, 2007
12:01:00 AM
Look for "Death Note". Cool shit.
W00t!!!
by Varakor
Aug 4th, 2007
12:03:54 AM
This sounds like a fantastic idea! I'm all for this!
Enough with the Japanese animation
by BizarroJerry
Aug 4th, 2007
12:14:21 AM
Please, must everything become Anime?
Batmanime?
by Bloody Jay
Aug 4th, 2007
12:25:45 AM
But seriously - if it's as good as the Animatrix, fuck yeah.
Will Bale be doing the voice?
by QuinnTheEskimo
Aug 4th, 2007
12:33:55 AM
Cause if you don't get the movie cast for the voices, it just seems kind of pointless to me. Maybe not though. At any rate, hope it's good.
"Enough with the Japanese animation"
by wash
Aug 4th, 2007
12:43:48 AM
haha, way to go broad there. You might as well say "ENOUGH WITH ALL THINGS THAT HAVE EVAR EXISTED EVAR OK THANX BYE".
Yikes
by Bass Ackwards
Aug 4th, 2007
12:49:02 AM
I usually don't care when AICN is slow to the news, cause I like the site as a compilation not the actual news breakers, but c'mon this is almost a MONTH old.
Brian Azzarello
by maluquiro
Aug 4th, 2007
12:52:16 AM
is a great writer. read 100 bullets.
And lets hope the anime doesn't outdo the actual movie
by Bass Ackwards
Aug 4th, 2007
12:52:20 AM
The Matrix reference brought that to mind, The Second Renaissance was superb, the movie following, not so much.
Good idea
by SpencerTrilby
Aug 4th, 2007
12:54:27 AM
It can't top the "Mask of the Phantasm" anime from the 90's, but overall it can't be worse either than the Animatrix disc. Don't get me wrong, some shorts in Animatrix were fantastic, but the overall experience is spoiled by the weak parts.
This is ME talking about THIS...
by Brians Life
Aug 4th, 2007
01:07:27 AM
Wow. I love everything I'm hearing and seeing about Dark Knight. For those that don't know Brian Azzarello check out some 100 Bullets trade paperbacks or his Superman mini-series LEX LUTHOR: MAN OF STEEL. Really good stuff. I'm very optimistic.
The Animatrix was cool
by Bagheera
Aug 4th, 2007
01:23:41 AM
Because the Matrix had Japanese-style existential themes and action and crap. Batman is American.

I saw a Batman manga at my local library once...to my horror. I'm okay if some Japanese artists out there want to do Batman..but if the sole reason for this is to put a Japanese "spin" on it...Japan, you have your own Bat Hero! Remember this guy? http://tinyurl.com/yw65qw

Please. Don't do this.

Sounds like some bad ass shit.
by LittleDudes
Aug 4th, 2007
01:27:13 AM
Hopefully we'll get to see the bad Bat, y'know, busting teeth and flashes of blood. Artists impressions: http://tinyurl.com/ywdfho
The return of Aint it OLD News
by Vadakin
Aug 4th, 2007
01:28:57 AM
Yep, this was news weeks ago...and no it's not our responsibility to inform you if we discover any "cool" news that you haven't posted...we come here to read news, not to write it for you...although I'm willing to give this a pass given that you guys have been busy with Comic-Con and weddings and such...I do however have some "cool" news for you that I shall send you you guys post haste.
Brian Azzarello
by caninedevotion
Aug 4th, 2007
01:29:13 AM
Azzarello had a Batman run awhile back. It is bound and titled "Broken City" now. Good stuff. I like the way he handles Batman - sort of the Batman-as-asshole kind of thing. Oh yeah, fuck Superman. That is all.
Too Bad
by topaz4206
Aug 4th, 2007
01:41:23 AM
This would be 10X cooler if it were actually based on THE DARK KNIGHT (the original novel). But I suppose this is the next best thing.
Old news indeed.
by Galva
Aug 4th, 2007
01:45:07 AM
However, yes, I am looking forward to the disk.
It's called 'A' History of Violence, not 'THE'
by darrenspool
Aug 4th, 2007
02:02:29 AM
Fucking stupid cunts and your fucking stupid proofreaders.
Azzarello
by arrangedletters
Aug 4th, 2007
02:12:05 AM
His Batman run was horrid. Not Frank Miller All Star Batman horrid but pretty close.
This has so much potential to be awesome
by Xanthos Samurai
Aug 4th, 2007
02:15:24 AM
I have high hopes for this. If they do it right, it could perfectly compliment the brilliance that is Batman Begins and the continued brilliance that The Dark Knight hopefully will be. I'd love to see how an anime-ified Batman would be like, but ike DerLanghaarige said, if this was done in Batman Beyond style, that would be amazing too. I picked up Season 2 of Batman Beyond the other day and I continue to be amazed by just how good that show was. We need more stuff like that on tv.
You have to try realllll hard to screw up Batman....
by The Dum Guy
Aug 4th, 2007
02:44:40 AM
So, as long as this stays within the bounds of Nolan's Bat-universe, then I hope to be pleased.

I remember watching Batman and Robin opening night and wondering, at the end, what in the hell did I just see...
anime
by darwinwins
Aug 4th, 2007
02:52:55 AM
some people find anime offensive for some reason based on some silly belief that the japanese would be in charge of this project. they would merely be animating the shorts based on stories created by the americans. the character designs would have to be supervised by the americans first. the animation itself is pretty basic. the difference would be the sensibilities involved in animating a project such as this. not many of the animatrix shorts had the stereotypical big eyes little mouths design. it is doubtful that those designs would be prevalent in a project such as this.
i hate anime
by xenaman
Aug 4th, 2007
02:59:57 AM
THE Batman,animated series did an AWESOME Dark Knight episode. THAT is how it should be done. Anime sucks ass. Teen Titans and Legion are the worst things I have ever seen!!! Give me decent animation, please. (Looking forward to Superman:DOOMSDAY!)
FINALLY
by kafka07
Aug 4th, 2007
03:15:32 AM
I've been hopin and dreamin for adult Batman animation for years, and not this kiddie crap they have out right now. I've been jonesing ever since The Animated Series ended. The fact that it will be anime style, and the talent attached to it, makes the news all the better. I look forward to it.
Not hard to screw up a Batman film...
by W3bzpinn3r
Aug 4th, 2007
04:00:38 AM
Quite easy.... just do any of the following:

Hire Jack Nicholson, Have Alfred let Vicki Vale into the Batcave, Have Beetlejuice be Batman, hire Schumacher, put nipples on the suits, Have Robin played by a 30 year old, have penguin funeral processions, hire Jim Carey, giggly Two-Face, hire Ah-Nuld, turn Bane into a moaning zombie, and finally, have a poodle catch a Bat'rang and a bunch of stupid goons reprogram the Batmobile.

THAT'S how you eff up Batman movies.

Saying you "hate" anime is like saying
by MattmanReturns
Aug 4th, 2007
04:05:59 AM
you hate film. Anime isn't any one genre or style, so saying you hate it is kind've all encompassing, and makes me wonder how much of it you've actually seen.
anything not live-action is cool
by punto
Aug 4th, 2007
04:08:32 AM
batman just doesn't work as a live-action
W3bzpinn3r
by The Dum Guy
Aug 4th, 2007
04:13:47 AM
Not to the money spending public...

You are going to have a hell of time arguing about the lack of merits Burton's films have, it was the best superhero films had to offer at the time.

Excluding B&R, you sir, have little to argue, so good day.
Welcome to Thursday, AICN...
by jfp2007
Aug 4th, 2007
04:34:33 AM
...that's when this story broke.
xenaman
by jfp2007
Aug 4th, 2007
04:38:23 AM
It's public knowledge via hundreds of interviews that Batman: The Animated Series was heavily influenced by your beloved anime.
phoenixmagi
by jfp2007
Aug 4th, 2007
04:41:41 AM
You're talking out your ass because neither you or I know jack or shit about this project. You can't possibly know the quality of it at this point, so stick your negativity up your ass. And, why are a bunch of morons on here thinking this would have anything to do with The Dark Knight Returns? Why would they even think for an instant that it would? It's an Animatrix/Clone Wars style tie-in that bridges the gap and/or introduces new stories inbetween the Begins and TDK. This should be apparent without having to read the article simply because of the fact that the new movie is called The Dark Knight and is coming out in a year. Common sense is lost on you young'ns.
so what I want to know is
by RokurGepta
Aug 4th, 2007
04:56:48 AM
will any of it be CGI like Final Flight of the Osiris?
SHUT UP!
by darrenspool
Aug 4th, 2007
05:11:04 AM
Batman won't ever work live-action coz no fucking director can approach it as a regular action film with a super-fucking-psychotic good guy. Nolan and his fucking agenda concerning shitty fight scenes. Just make it fun, you stupid goddamn moron. Prick.
This is gonna blow
by NEUR0M4NCER
Aug 4th, 2007
05:29:30 AM
Whenever a project is so plainly an attempt to re-create the success of another franchise (namely Animatrix), it just ends up falling over its own feet. They will try so hard to be 'edgy' and 'pioneering' and probably also 'matrixy' that it'll smell like an over-produced boyband with no heart & soul.
darrenspool, your' abolutely right...
by The Dum Guy
Aug 4th, 2007
05:39:35 AM
Because hiring the guy who was THE American Psycho doesn't indicate how Nolan went for the psycho side of Batman, and he never went edgy, like, he never made Batman demonic or horrifying.

I hope one day to see your' "fun" take on Batman.
I like... BATS
by cornponious
Aug 4th, 2007
06:21:29 AM
YOUR words, MY pictures... PULITZER PRIZE-WINNING MATERIAL!!!
How about some GEARS OF WAR style computer animation?!
by JDanielP
Aug 4th, 2007
06:45:06 AM
That would certainly cover the gritty, tough neighborhoods of Gotham City. While we're at it, why not give us a 360 game of Batman that is actually THAT great?
Uhhhh........
by lost.rules
Aug 4th, 2007
07:23:07 AM
I'm getting a Matrix sequel vibe, and that's not a good thing.
But will they have the same inanities as Batman Begins?
by chrth
Aug 4th, 2007
08:06:08 AM
Or at least an explanation of why people while in Gotham have no water in their bodies? Oooh, or perhaps Batman will kill another temple full of Asians (except for the White Guy, we must save the White Guy) in order not to kill another Asian ... who must end up dying anyway.

Actually, I just want one of the stories to be Nip/Tuck turning Katie Holmes into Maggie Gyl (not going to try to spell it)

This better be like Legends of the Dark Knight
by dgcrawford
Aug 4th, 2007
08:23:21 AM
That ep from Batman: TAS. Show how different people perceive Batman.
Was "Boa vs. Python" Direct To Video?
by TheBloop
Aug 4th, 2007
08:39:30 AM
IF so, that will be tough to top.
just as long as it has nothing to do with THE batman
by RockLobster800
Aug 4th, 2007
08:43:34 AM
God that show is awful....its like they're cashing in on the Nolan movie and pissing all over what it was trying to achieve at the same time.
Batman Rules
by calnorso
Aug 4th, 2007
08:52:08 AM
I think this tactic of bridging the gap worked out pretty well with the Matrix franchise (even though the sequels blew donkey dick), I think it could work well here. Hell if they do it right it can be just as great as the Clones Wars were to Star Wars
costume
by RockLobster800
Aug 4th, 2007
08:59:59 AM
I wonder if they'll keep in in Nolan's all black garb or do the usual Batman animated thing of sticking him in grey/blue/kinda black.
Any camo expert will tell you, grey/blue/kinda black
by chrth
Aug 4th, 2007
09:13:13 AM
works better than solid black.
yeah, but for continuitys sake
by RockLobster800
Aug 4th, 2007
09:17:12 AM
will they just say "yeah inbetween the two flicks he decided to wear the old grey /quasi blue-black duds cos its easier to see him on screen etc?"
COOL!!!
by LaserPants
Aug 4th, 2007
09:41:12 AM
Alright, this sounds good. Now somebody has to get on the stick and make FRANK MILLER'S THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS into a movie, animated, or otherwise (actually, animation would be the best way to go since they're probably not going to extend the Nolan / Bale franchise to the "future" as portrayed in the comic).
Any Camo Expert?
by LaserPants
Aug 4th, 2007
09:46:09 AM
Are you that expert? I'm not saying your wrong, but, I dunno, I reckon non-reflecting, matte black (pitch black, natch) in the middle of the night (when Batman usually works) would probably work rather nicely. More or less make you invisible unless backlit or in front of a lighter colored area. Certainly more nicely than a powder-blue cape, light grey spandex, and a giant bright yellow circle on your chest.
Sorry, but Bale wasn't given a chance to go psycho
by darrenspool
Aug 4th, 2007
09:46:55 AM
Just smoke and mirrors bullshit and a real dumb hallucination thru scarecrow's eyes. WHERE'S THE FUCKING BLOOD BEING THROWN OFF FACES! Keaton got scorched in the batwing, that was an awesome look.
being the first to complain about the anime
by BizarroJerry
Aug 4th, 2007
09:50:45 AM
Let me clarify. I don't think it shouldn't exist as a genre. I'm just sick of the people who want to turn all animation into the Japanese style.
Anime sucks
by IceMonkey
Aug 4th, 2007
09:52:59 AM
Sorry folks, but it does.
Anime Pwns
by LaserPants
Aug 4th, 2007
10:07:45 AM
Anime, as a style of animation, has been lightyears ahead of anything Disney or any other American animation studio has done for decades. Hence the fact that its so popular, and growing, and evolving. Sure, theres some stupid stuff, as there is in any "genre", but the standouts -- AKIRA, GHOST IN THE SHELL, EVANGELION, COWBOY BEEBOP, SAMURAI CHAMPLOO, GUNDAM, anything/everything done by MIYAZAKI, but especially PRINCESS MONONOKE, NAUSICAA and CASTLE CAGLIOSTRO and many many others -- are all mezmerizingly cool, smart, and beautiful. And, better still, no extended Broadway singing animal musical bullshit for neglected suburban children!!

Seriously, outside of anime, can you name any other animation style which can touch it? That deals in more adult/intelligent themes and isn't just something parents can prop their spawn (aka "mistakes") in front of for a few hours? Anything ? Hello? Lets see, theres Bruce Timm's style (BATMAN, JLA). Thats it. Any others? Hello?
SUPERCOOL, animatrix was better than matrix 2 & 3
by pipergates
Aug 4th, 2007
10:08:01 AM
that is just fantastic news, hope the styles are all totally different like in animatrix. spectacular. wowee. an mini bat-multiverse. only they should release it big screen, its bound to do good big screen.
100 bullets is brilliant
by fried samurai
Aug 4th, 2007
10:23:28 AM
My current favorite comic.I do think Azzarello writes better non superhero books though.His run on Batman and Superman were awful. Have yet to read Banner.
darrenspool you fucking idiot
by messi
Aug 4th, 2007
10:44:35 AM
eat shit dumb cunt. you probably loved batman and robin since it was so fun. bale was psycho, you just don't see it because you're too much of a typical human to ever understand a mentallity like that. no shit you didn't think he was psycho. other's did. usually people who weren't dickheads.
I hope the anime Batman won't end up looking like...
by warphoenix
Aug 4th, 2007
11:06:45 AM
...Berg Katse, Gatchaman's nemesis. http://tinyurl.com/2qdx3q
Batman as anime is just plain blaspheme
by Snookeroo
Aug 4th, 2007
11:08:12 AM
Wow. How the bar has been lowered.
Cartoons are for kids.
by mrtwig48
Aug 4th, 2007
11:24:15 AM
Wait a minute...most of you are kids.
Guano Boy
by Wrath4771
Aug 4th, 2007
11:52:15 AM
Ahh the idea of a good Batman Cartoon-Animae - whatever - beings me great joy.
Anime is cool as hell
by Robots In Das Guys
Aug 4th, 2007
12:19:49 PM
Just not on Batman. "The Batman" animated show is crappy enough.
I hate Anime style.....
by liljuniorbrown
Aug 4th, 2007
12:29:15 PM
I just do. The big eyes and constant yelling,bad dubbing it just sucks but thats my opinion and I know it's in the minority on this site. That being said I'll take my Batman anyway I can get em,and from what i've seen from BB and the DK teaser it looks like Nolan may be using Joker to give Batman that pyschotic turn we've seen in the funny books for all these years. The teaser for DK sucked because it was just audio but when Alfred tells him "Some people just want to see the world burn"followed by Joker promising death before the nights over with....gave me chills man. My distaste for Anime aside if the regular cast is involved with the voice work i'm in.
Hollywood has such a "me too, only more" mentality
by Snookeroo
Aug 4th, 2007
12:48:25 PM
Just because anime is popular, the studios think everything has to be done in that crappy style. Anime uses half the drawings per second that traditional animation has. That's why it looks so jerky. The characters and storylines all look just alike -- it's just cheap, mass-produced junk I tells ya.
ANIMALSTRUCTURE: I only hope to GOD that you're joking!
by silentbobafett2
Aug 4th, 2007
01:12:51 PM
Thats sarcasm right? Ha ha! Josh Olsen is great. Goyer is fun, loves comics and contributed to the best batman film of all time. And "SOME GUY NAMED BRIAN?" Thats when I knew you were joking! Cos anyone worth a dime on this site knows that name, cos they had better have read 100 Bullets! Genius! Also, check out Loveless! Azzerello rules!
It's nice to know who the ignorant talkbackers are...
by Johnno
Aug 4th, 2007
01:21:41 PM
The first ones are the ones hating on the 'anime style.' Education time! Anime has no specific style. It is true that the majority of it contains big eyed colourful haired characters, but there is no rule. And the reason those character designs exist are because the shows are catered to the Japanese people who love cute looking shit like that. It sells! And the kicker is that those designs are based originally off of American cartoons like Mickey Mouse et al. And no, they don't always use those designs! Hell did any of you whiners even watch Animatrix?

Also for those hating how a lot of American cartoons are going with the 'anime style.' I've never seen those character designs in any Japanese product. Those are really a hybrid that AMERICAN STUDIOS created to cash in on anime's popularity. So go complain to those AMERICAN STUDIOS! Or did that conveniently slip your minds...?

A lot of anime does have bad animation... because a lot of it is produced at low budget by cottage industry studios for television. And it is STILL BETTER than 100% of American animation nowadays in terms of the range of storylines and themes that Japanese animation covers that American studios are too pussy to do... if anything American animation has regressed... whatever happened to the WB Batman series? That was fantastic! Batman was a badass! He fought, he punched he bled red blood! People Died! The Joker and villians convinced me they were killers! Today? It's a few pulled punches, building break, characters don't look hurt, just dusty, and lots of laser light show powers! And you wonder why more and more people prefer anime???!!! HINT: It's got more to do than the big eyed designs! SO you can keep your super smooth animation styles and 'superior' character designs, I'll take something with more substance anytime... And guess what. A lot of people love those big eyed anime designs. They like them better than your beloved 'normal' character designs or those freaky things American studios pass off for 'anime style.'

And for those thinking all Japanese style animation is bad... obviously show they haven't even bothered to look at films like Akira, Steamboy, Last Exile, Paprika, Princess Mononoke, Spirited Away, Metropolis, and a fucking ton of other shit that not only blows away anything any American studio has produced, but it's greatness to the point it shames your ancestors! And I prefer the Japanese style of imitating live action to the hyper cartoony 'everything's gotta move around for no reason other than because it's animated' Disney mentality. The Japanese ethic goes for subtlety and stillness, American cartoons go for liveliness and motion.

And now I must tone it down and say that I don't hate American animation in general. Both have their place in the world. To thoroughly outright declare HATE for either one is moronic. That said, the Japanese really are kicking your asses when it comes to animation and the places it can be taken. I was watching Mask of the Phantasm a little while ago, and I fucking loved it! What happened to great shows like that America? That actually had balls and made American Superheroes great?! What happened to things like the FOX Spider-Man show of the 90s? Now there's a show that was TERRIBLY ANIMATED and REUSED ANIMATION A LOT! But you know what? The series storyline and characters over came it! SO stow your shit about the Japanese animation being 'bad' because it's all BUDGET DRIVEN!

And anyway to the guy who mentioned the Batman manga, I've read it! They didn't 'Japanify' Batman, though of course the art style is manga, but it's the same American Batman we all know with a story that does take place in Japan with Japanese people and themes. It was good! Give it a read! And for the record I believe the Japanese 'Batman' is a guy by the name of 'Karas'! Now there's a beautifully animated title that anyone should check out to see another example of why the Japanese are and continue to kick your asses. Pixar movies will only take you so far, you'll hardly see anything mature from American Animation and projects like Animatrix are hopefully leading the way for more serious content whether Americans make it themselves or produce it with the aid of Japanese studios. You people really should be kissing the Wachowskis asses for opening up more studios to these kinds of ideas. And in closing I also declare any talkbacker who hated the Matrix sequels, below me. Awww, does that piss any of you off? I hope so!

Anyway is this project even confirmed to be using actual Japanese studios? Or just American studios imitating anime? I hope WB does what the Wachowskis did and gets scripts written by American Batman writers and gives them over to be designed and animated by good studios like Production I.G., Gainax, Studio 4C, Madhouse etc. But I'm not holding out any hope. Most likey it'll be the same American houses that'll give you the so called 'anime style' and we'd get more fools thinking that that's what anime is... But colour me optimistic for this project.
liljuniorbrown?
by Johnno
Aug 4th, 2007
01:32:49 PM
Constant yelling? Oh right... you must be referring to the anime shown on American channels, or rather the only ones they'll show on TV because they're marketed to younger audiences that also happen to love American animation with hyper scenarios and lots of yelling. You know there's more to anime than that, right? Kinda like how Hollywood has big dumb loud mainstream movies, and also their arthouse films?
Anime Shmeanime
by The Merk
Aug 4th, 2007
02:11:14 PM
I hate that all animation seems to lumped into 2 catagories, cartoons (american style?) or anime (japanese style). Anytime an 2d animator tries to do something with more style, depth, or realism, they're accused of trying to do anime. There is a broad range of styles of anime, some good, some not so good. If anime pushes traditional 2d animators to try new things, then we all benefit. That said, I'd hate to see the anime cliches used (Sweatdrop, Super-deformation, etc). Japan's greatest animators (Miyazaki, Otomo, Rintaro, Oshii, etc) rarely if not never use these cheap tricks. If The Animatrix is the reference point for this project, then I don't think this will be a problem. If you have to limit animation to 2 types, let's just keep it good and bad.
Someone actually wrote the blade films ...
by kilpack
Aug 4th, 2007
02:29:20 PM
could have fooled me.
I'm so sick of anime - the fucking 80's r over already
by flipster
Aug 4th, 2007
02:43:04 PM
for fucksakes. Legend of the Overfiend said it all. The end.
This has been known...
by lovethatjoker
Aug 4th, 2007
03:32:20 PM
...for almost three weeks. Don't mean to be an asshole, but seriously. Will the TDK post tomorrow be an announcement of which actor was cast as The Joker?
batman
by johnnysunshine
Aug 4th, 2007
03:47:26 PM
not as cool as say a new Batman:TAS dvd movie, but still pretty cool news. As far as the anime-style thing goes, it is getting kinda tiresome that every cartoon on tv is anime, but I know there is some good stuff out there.
Mask of the Phantasm
by Major Hockshtetter
Aug 4th, 2007
04:20:00 PM
Someone mentioned this earlier but damn did this thing rock my world. I was one of the lucky 5 or 6 to actually see this in the theater back in the early 90's. Great writing, very intense stuff. That said, I'm all for what Warner is doing with this franchise - it actually seems as if a studio is leaving the creative folks alone to do their thing! When's the last time THAT happened?
Ooh, remember the last time this happened?
by epitone
Aug 4th, 2007
04:23:27 PM
With The Animatrix?

Wasn't that awesome? A harbinger of a great sequel to come?

(crickets)
Kudos Johnno
by Major Hockshtetter
Aug 4th, 2007
04:23:39 PM
Great comments, man. You saved me a ton of writing!
And Again, Can You Think Of A Better Animated Style?
by LaserPants
Aug 4th, 2007
04:36:52 PM
I could understand how someone might not like anime (though I think its a rather close-minded and uninformed to lump all anime under trash like Pokemon; you may as well say all Hollywood action movies are as crappy as, say DOMINO, or all superhero movies are as crappy as CATWOMAN), but again, can you name a more suitable animation style for something like Batman -- a mature themed action-adventure noir with technology? Something which depends heavily on atmosphere and action? If so, I'm all ears. (Keeping in mind that I already mentioned the Bruce Timm style as a possibility -- although if his studio were to do it, they would have to kick it up a notch; make it more 'mature-themed', get some blood and mood in there.) I think anime is the perfect vehicle for a character like BATMAN; all it needs is a good writer and the wizardly of a house like PRODUCTION I.G. to pwn it and you.
@ DerLanghaarige: Bad Character Design?!
by LaserPants
Aug 4th, 2007
04:52:58 PM
Really? AKIRA? GHOST IN THE SHELL? COWBOY BEEBOP? EVANGELION? Everything MIYAZAKI has ever done? You think the designs in these shows / movies are poor? Really? Man, I couldn't possibly disagree more. I mean, everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I understand how fans of Disney's various musicals (all really the same movie / plot, but featuring different anthropamorphized Broadway animals) would be put off by the more cutting edge anime techniques and stories, but I get the feeling that you're merely lumping everything that falls under the loose umbrella of anime together without really giving the artform a chance. Of couse there are animes that are awful (personally, I always thought Dragonball was totally lame), but again, there are tons of live action hollywood and/or american indie movies that absolutely suck, does that mean that ALL hollywood and/or american indie movies suck? No.

Besides, even if you don't like the anime designs, clearly LOTS of people all over the world love them; hence the cross-cultural popularity of the generalized anime aesthetic, and how influential the style has been across various mediums -- comics, films, games, and even fashion and music.

Again, I realize its not something you like, and thats fine, but I think your comments are a little disingenuous, and not totally informed.
but will it have photorealistic CGI
by RokurGepta
Aug 4th, 2007
05:13:41 PM
that is what I really want to know
this sounds great
by robzass
Aug 4th, 2007
05:30:22 PM
they've allready got my money.
ARKHAM ASYLUM TRAILER ON YOUTUBE
by cheady
Aug 4th, 2007
05:31:06 PM
Some kid did it in Mexico, but it's still really professional compared to half the stuff online these days... look it up.
To all the people that continue hating 'anime style'
by Johnno
Aug 4th, 2007
05:36:27 PM
I fucking DARE you to go out there, pick up a DVD of 'Vampire Hunter D: Bloodlust' or 'Karas: The Prophecy' or the mind games driven 'Death Note' or hell, even the all American HBO 'Spawn' from Todd McFarlene who loves Katsushiro Otomo's 'Akira,' and tell me you wouldn't want to see Batman animated and kicking ass in that kind of quality. But if you still prefer Saturday morning Cartoon design and fare, who am I to change you opinion?
ha, you'll all be rushing to see this-
by pipergates
Aug 4th, 2007
05:41:13 PM
for all your complaining. Animatrix was a work of art in most of its diverse styles, to get to see Batman in any of these forms is beyond cool.
what'll they call it? Batanime?Batimated?
by pipergates
Aug 4th, 2007
05:47:02 PM
"Batman Hyperkinetic"?
All Those Anime-Haters
by Prof_Ender
Aug 4th, 2007
06:03:43 PM
Funny. No matter how many times I hear "anime t3h suxxor lol!!1" on the talkbacks, I always end up laughing. I guess it has to do with the fact that no one can give a legitimate criticism against anime without sounding like a tool. Ah well.
Speaking of Anime Batman...
by Prof_Ender
Aug 4th, 2007
06:09:53 PM
A few years ago, there was a bunch of Batman stories collected in 2 trades called, BATMAN: BLACK AND WHITE. As you can imagine from the title, all the stories were in black and white and they were all submitted by different comicbook artists from around the world. One of the better ones was written and drawn by Katsuhiro AKIRA, STEAMBOY Otomo. If a Japanese artist can make Batman look as cool as he did in Otomo's story, I'd be damned if I didn't say this project looked interesting.
BLOOD: The Last Vampire
by LaserPants
Aug 4th, 2007
06:16:23 PM
For the doubters, this would be a good movie for you to watch in terms of what Batmanime could look like. It has a kind of gothic mood, vampire-monsterbeasts, and unbelieveably cool action scenes. The animation is also quite fluid and beautiful. Another fine Production I.G. prodcution (the guys who did the Oren Ishiii backstory anime in KILL BILL).
but will it have photorealistic CGI
by RokurGepta
Aug 4th, 2007
07:01:06 PM
that's all I need to know so tell me yes please
Oh, Johno
by CZ
Aug 4th, 2007
07:17:15 PM
Johno, really. VHD is Kawajiri repurposing Ninja Scroll (seriously, the man only knows how to tell one story), Karas is incoherent, and Spawn is McFarlane proving that he has the subtlety of a 2x4. Death Note was pretty good, though both the manga and movie versions are better.----------------------- ------------------------------ ------------------------------ ----------What "Animatrix" did right was not falling prey to the anime=ultraviolence cliche, letting decent directors do their jobs, and making sure the scripts were sound. I don't want to see more brainless action junk like "Afro Samurai," not when we've got directors like Satoshi Kon and Shinichiro Watanabe still working.---------------------- ------------------------------ ------------------------------ ---------------------- On the other hand, the "aimed at male tweens" line doesn't inspire confidence. Shonen Jump Batman?
While 2-D animation's dead in the US, Anime is...
by kirttawesomio
Aug 4th, 2007
08:03:46 PM
flourishing. While American single issue comic books are a dyeing art, manga is expanding into new markets. I think this project is a smart idea. And I think the animation and comic book industry in the US can learn a lot from foreign markets. I worked briefly as an animator and I was surprised by the consistent shit talking a lot people in the field did about comics and anime. The majority of American animators either were stuck in the Disney 30's or Hanna Barbara 60's. This is why we either end up with Samurai Jack(great) or Kim Possible(great for preteen girls). I love Tartakovsky, but I don't think Jack could be put in the same league as Akira or Death Note.
but it looked damn good
by pipergates
Aug 4th, 2007
08:06:04 PM
of course the story matters too
Originality anyone?????
by jhpiii
Aug 4th, 2007
08:45:49 PM
I am completely sick of the only way to do is animation is japanese anime......Orignality anyone????? WB execs, Batman writers go to Pixar and take a class..................
Next Bugs Bunny - Anime style
by jhpiii
Aug 4th, 2007
08:47:01 PM
coming down the pike....they've got no brains in the WB
Hong Kong Fooey - ANime style
by jhpiii
Aug 4th, 2007
08:47:38 PM
I bet ya
Dragon Tales - Anime STyle
by jhpiii
Aug 4th, 2007
08:48:28 PM
Why stop there
I wouldn't mind seeing more
by RokurGepta
Aug 4th, 2007
09:07:45 PM
Ducktales!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! or Darkwing Duck!!!!! or some Gizmo Duck!!!!!!!!!!
Preachy And Melodramatic The Animatrix May Have Been
by LaserPants
Aug 4th, 2007
09:19:12 PM
But, yo, it looked GREAT. And I loved the whole robo-uprsing thing. The humans were all mecha-racists! See? Thats why Neo is a prick and Agent Smith is the real hero.
Agent Smith was a psycho
by RokurGepta
Aug 4th, 2007
09:40:44 PM
he was killing programs too, and only out for personal gain
SONIC DEATH MONKEY, if you're reading the talkbacks
by applescruff
Aug 4th, 2007
09:56:15 PM
i lost your number. give me a call. got a screening for you to check out.
So long as the animation quality is great.
by Boober
Aug 4th, 2007
11:31:31 PM
Stylistic differences? Fine. "Animatrix" as a synonym for Sub-par quality "craptastrophy?" No thanks. We
Doctor Who...ANIMATRIX STYLE!
by Boober
Aug 4th, 2007
11:37:59 PM
Daleks and Cybermen and Timelords, OH MY!!!! EXTERMINATE!!! EXTERMINATE!!!
CZ
by Johnno
Aug 5th, 2007
01:45:22 AM
No doubt VHD and Karas as simply great action movies with pretty imagery, but I'm using those to argue for the animation quality and character design work for Batman. In terms of story I'd tossed in Death Note though I hate how the series fucked up the end compared to the greatness of the manga. Batman needs that detective kind of approach with the cleverness that Death Note brings. Spawn was always an in your face sort of thing but that's what I'd picture for teh fear aspect that Batman brings into it the picture with his immense presense. VHD and Karas have that sort of gothic/dark vibe thing going for them that gives a great batman type mood to the design and animation, but of course I don't expect to see action sequences as crazy as those being done by Batman but the bad-assity factor can still work for the character.
Pixar... jhpiii?
by Johnno
Aug 5th, 2007
01:47:19 AM
So you think Batman should be colourful, humour-filled and feature a talking animal sidekick? Or just a campy Robin? Well... that certainly would be original, I'll give you that...

And as for this shit about Animatrix being preachy and meloramatic... That was the friggin idea!
I gave it a chance... And Anime still SUCKS.
by ZeroCorpse
Aug 5th, 2007
02:04:09 AM
I'm sorry, but there's no more homogeneous, pathetic form of animation than Japanese-style anime. Half the time, it's barely animated (still pictures with motion lines and a moving mouth don't count... Marvel even stopped doing that in the 1960s).

No, you can't convince me. Yes, I've watched all the anime classics (back before half of you even heard of them, I'll wager), and no, I've never seen anything in the genre worth the hype it gets.

Face it: Most of you dig anime because you're trendy fucks who follow the crowd, or you're easily impressed by "badass" visuals and animation that includes violence, tits, and swearing.

Give me "Les Triplettes Du Belleville" over "Ghost In The Shell" any day. Give me ANYTHING done by Mike Judge over anything done by MIYAZAKE.

You don't need to educate me. I've been there, done that, sold it to hordes of stupid fans, and seen who watches it. Otaku are about a half-step above furries in the geek heirarchy, and I have no desire to be part of that particular fan base.

shuttlepod_10 you are an idiot
by messi
Aug 5th, 2007
06:21:25 AM
whenever someone says 'was awful' on aicn, they are automatically a fuckhead. animatrix was entertaining and well made. suck dick.
Southpark - ANime style
by jhpiii
Aug 5th, 2007
08:54:49 AM
Pixar isnt about making things campy or having taslking animals...its story over follwoing the latset trend....anime had its day.....now its just tiresome to watch...itll be another made for ADHD kids, Teen Titans, type toon......Where the heck is Roger Rabbit!!!!!!!!
Yabbut what TYPE of anime?
by Immortal_Fish
Aug 5th, 2007
09:20:25 AM
There's quite the spectrum between Akira and that chubi crap ala Teen Titans Go.

Will they all emply the same "anime style" or will they be daring and portray a different "anime style" with each of the six episodes?

ZeroCorpse I call your bluff
by Johnno
Aug 5th, 2007
09:42:05 AM
What exactly makes it 'homogeneous, pathetic form of animation'? Let's see... it's done no different than American animation. Both start out with paper and pencils and drawings and shit. Both country's products and their level of detail and fluidity are dictated by budget. So, please specify. And are you really going to tell me no American show uses 'still pictures with motion lines and a moving mouth'? Next you refer to anime as 'trendy' while at the same time putting down 'otaku culture.' Then contradict yourself by saying you've seen all the classics and lumping all anime together as 'violence, tits, and swearing.' You lose credibility. And no motherfucker, anime fans didn't start the trend you see in American animation. We flocked to it because we appreciated the artform and only the Japanese were telling stories and doing things with it that were of a more mature and diverse level. But it's clear you're bullshitting us when you claim to have 'seen it all.'

And jhpiii, when Pixar makes a serious feature catering to at least a PG-13 crowd, give me a call. Otherwise they've shown they can competently handle entertaining PG comedies, so unless you want to see Batman at that level, much like the cartoons on TV today instead of a serious take on the character and world, then using Pixar as a visual/storytelling reference falls flat, do disrespect to Pixar. And for the record, the folks at Pixar LOVE Miyazaki movies.
^ * that's no direspect to Pixar
by Johnno
Aug 5th, 2007
09:47:04 AM
But seriously as fine as movies like Tripletts of belville etc. are they cannot be the quality you'd want from a good Batman. BAtman should be mature and tackled in a serious gritty manner. Not a colourful comedic turn of events with a family friendly story. And so far it's only Anime that is doing stuff like that whcih is why the idea that Batman will be an anime inspires hope that they will be taking the character much more seriously. And despite what idiots like ZeroCorpse think it can be done without 'excessive violence, tits and swearing.' BUt give me a celver story that involves things and moodiness that cater to at least a older teen audience.
ZEROCORPSE
by Snookeroo
Aug 5th, 2007
10:49:03 AM
Spot on, man. You are exactly right. I tip my hat.
Homogenous And Pathetic? (@ ZeroCorpse)
by LaserPants
Aug 5th, 2007
11:02:31 AM
How about a company which has made the same movie over and over and over again for the last 50 years; all featuring anthropamorphized animals doing Broadway? (Yes, I'm talking about Disney). Can't get much more homogenized and pathetic than that.

And ZeroCorpse, please, I'm not an 'otaku' (aka fanborg), though I do love anime, and all kinds of other forms of animation (especially the more satirical stuff like Venture Bros, Simpsons, and Robot Chicken). Also, I've been a fan of anime since I was a wee lad in the 70s, thrilling to the ridiculous adventures of Speed Racer, Gatchaman, Astro Boy, Marine Boy on up to the more 'serious' space operas like Star Blazers; a time when more or less nobody outside of Japan even knew what the term 'anime' meant, let alone 'manga.'

You know, sometimes people like (or dislike) a particular artform or work because they actually like (or, alternately, dislike) it on its own merits, not by wanting to fit into (or dismiss) a trend. I mean, really now, thats got to be the most riduclous statement I've ever read. Do people actually like things they don't like in order to fit a market trend? (Outside of middle school, I mean.) And since anime/manga has been around for well on 50 years, and getting more and more popular, its hard for me to even think of it as a 'trend' -- its a firmly established artform with nowhere to go but up. (Meanwhile, Disney is still making anthropamorphized Broadway musicals for neglected surburban children... yawn.)

One final: in the pantheon of social strata, ANY and ALL fanbots, geeks, what-have-you are relegated to the fringes. Do you honestly think that, in the eyes of 'normal' society, that people who prefer, say, manga to American superhero comics (or vice versa) are more or less ostracized than any other fanborg subdivision? In the eyes of 'normals" , there is no real disntinction between comic nerds and furries -- they're both pervy weirdos who prefer living in a fantasy world than dealing with the real world. (Put another way, glass houses much?) But, please, by all means, if it helps you sleep better, keep pretending that you're somehow ahead of the geek curve by dismissing an entire artform or artculture. Everyone must have their cherished delusions or else it all just falls apart, eh? Good luck with the wool and the pulling over thine own eyes!
Thank you, ZeroCorpse
by Gluecifer
Aug 5th, 2007
11:14:58 AM
"I gave it a chance..." Wow, that's so generous of you! I'm sure all anime producers and fans around the world were holding their breath! Have you seen it all? No. I don't think so. Prove it! Do I really give a shit about your opinion on anime, since you don't know what you're talkin' about? No. Thanks for the try anyway. P.S.: it's Miyazaki, not Miyazake, but of course you know it.
Disney is NOT the only western animation.
by ZeroCorpse
Aug 5th, 2007
11:40:17 AM
None of you addressed "Les Triplettes Du Belleville", as mentioned in my post. Oh, you must have missed that because the character designs weren't all the same face, same nose, same big eyes, same mouth, and same everything else. I dare you-- Put a picture of D next to a picture of any character from Ghost in the Shell, and tell me they don't have the same fucking faces. Do it with just about ANY anime. Princess Mononoke's characters all look like the same BRATZ dolls as the characters in Ninja Scroll or Ranma 1/2, but with different costumes. THEY ALL HAVE THE SAME FACE. That's what I mean by homogeneous. You can literally become skilled at manga/anime style by learning about three or four different character types and then learning to costume them differently.

Let's see, you want mature content in your animation? Look no further than Ralph Bakshi's work. Ever seen "Fritz the Cat"? You could also grab "Rock and Rule" and see some pretty cool designs and FULL animation (meaning not a single fucking scene of still images with motion lines drawn around them) with lots of mature content.

It's clear none of you close-minded anime freak have even been to The Animation Show. Not all western animation is "cartoony" or like Disney... But you know what? Each western animation project/studio produces stuff that looks stylistically different from other creators, unlike anime which always sticks to the exact same character models, no matter who the animators are. It's assembly-line crap, that's why.

Then, of course, we have great stuff like "Batman: The Animated Series", and all of the recent D.C. comics stuff (save for The Batman and Teen Titans). We have great, well-written, well-animated stuff like "King of the Hill" which puts more intelligent content and social satire into a 20-minute episode than "Prince of Tennis" could manage in a whole manga series.

You can also go back and find great stuff like the Fleischer Superman and Popeye, pretty much everything done by Warner Bros in the mid-20th century, Disney's work (which is what anime rips off for their basis in style), Walter Lantz's great shorts, later material from guys like Tartakovsky and the folks at Cartoon Network. You've got Chuck Jones, who basically owns the art form. You've got great series like Duckman, The Critic, Home Movies, and of course Matt Groening's work.

I actually BURNED my VHS copies of "Vampire Hunter D", "Akira", "Lensmen", "Vampire Princess Miyu", "A Tale of Two Robots", "Street Fighter", "My neighbor Totoro", "Project A-Ko", "Crusher Joe", "Macross" (all of them), "Ninja Scroll", "Bubblegum Crisis", "Ranma 1/2", and "Ghost in the Shell", among many others. Is that enough, or would you like me to show you the manga titles I gleefully return or trash at my bookstore, too?

I have a friend who constantly tries to show me "new" anime flicks (which I'm familiar with because I sell them for a living, too) and every "new" thing is just the same old rehashed characters, style, plot, and set pieces. Doesn't matter if it's about girls who like a cute boy who happens to be a demon, or a bunch of spiky-haired martial artists from various walks of life all competing for the some sort of prize (honor, the sword, the ancient curse lifted, the girl, whatever). It's still all the same.

Call my bluff? I've thrown out more anime than you've probably owned in your life. Granted, I haven't purchased anything in that genre (and it IS a genre) since around 1995, but I've seen plenty of it. There's no way you can convince me that "Cowboy Bebop" is in any way "WAY DIFFERENT" from "Ghost in the Shell". It's not. If you can't see that, then you're just the deluded anime freaks I thought you were.

No, I'm not "dismissing" anime. I'm actively hating it because it's watered-down crap that is single-handedly ruining the animation world. As a fan of animation as an art form, I find anime to be the equivalent of velvet paintings of Elvis... Mass-produced, and not fit to hang in ANY gallery.

Miyazaki-- Ooh. You got my on a typo. Good job!
by ZeroCorpse
Aug 5th, 2007
11:44:54 AM
That proves it! You ARE an ass.
So, You'd Like To See BATMAN ala Triplets Of Bellville?
by LaserPants
Aug 5th, 2007
12:05:46 PM
Riiiight. That would be great. Please tell me that thats how you'd like your Batman animated film to look. I need a good chuckle. Nothing against Triplets per se, it was good, I enjoyed it, but it sure as shit ain't what I'd like to see in a noirish superhero action story. Would you? Good luck, cause you're probably the only one on the world who feels that way.

Oh, yes, and please, I own all of Bakshiis films -- including the oft overlooked STREET FIGHT -- so don't embarrass youself. Also, do you honestly think the roto-scoping in LORD OF THE RINGS or ROCK n' RULE measures up to the ludicrously detailed and fluid animation in AKIRA, PERFECT BLUE, or PAPRIKA? Really? Are you being honest or just contrarian for the sake of it?

Also, please keep in mind that 'mature-themed' means more than gratuitous exploitation ala what we see in FRITZ THE CAT, STREET FIGHT, and the like. It means being intelligent and empathetic; addressing weighty themes such as humankind's relation to its environment (MONONOKE, NAUSICAA), the dangers of supertechnology and/or genetic engineering (GHOST IN THE SHELL, AKIRA), on up to documenting the horrors of war as seen through the eyes of children (the heartbreakingly beautiful GRAVE OF THE FIREFLIES). Of course, since you have reduced ALL anime to one type; if you think that Otomos designs look like MIyazakis, that Matsumoto's look like Shirow's, then clearly you have absolutely NO IDEA what you're talking about. You're just hating for the sake of hating. Yawn. Another contrarian talkbacker looking for attention. So much energy wasted on being the contrarian geek, rather than reaching out and trying to expand ones horizons. Sigh. Oh, no, thats right, you've seen every single anime film, so you know al about it (even though you can't distinguish one creators work from anothers; can't tell the difference between Dragonball and Paprika). 'Cause they all 'look the same.' Riiiight.
my on a typo...
by ZeroCorpse
Aug 5th, 2007
12:07:36 PM
See? My fingers slipped again. It must be because my hair's not spiky enough.
Huh?
by LaserPants
Aug 5th, 2007
12:21:38 PM
Your "hair's not spiky enough?" What does that have to do with... oh, right... that would be a reference to... Dragonball? Naruto? My, you really ARE an expert on animation. Yes, many anime/manga designs aimed at younger viewers/readers have crazy hair; on the flipside, many (I'd argue, most) do not. No crazy hairstyle in Miyazaki's films, none in GitS, none in Paprika, oh, but wait, Tetsuo's hair at the end of AKIRA Is pretty wild looking. I guess that makes it the same as YuGiOh then. Sigh. No, but do please keep digging that hole you've found yourself in.
If you can't see the similarity...
by ZeroCorpse
Aug 5th, 2007
12:25:37 PM
If you can't see the similarity between Paprika and Dragonball, then you're the deluded one.

And no, I haven't seen every anime, but I have seen a lot of them, and I'm sorry, but MONOKE was boring crap, GHOST IN THE SHELL was a delightfully limp rip-off of everything Gibson and P.K. Dick have written, and GRAVE OF THE FIREFLIES was a lot of silent nothing trying it's best to be an anime Schindler's List, if I remember it correctly. But hey--- They use music and really blatant images to TELL YOU how you should feel, instead of being able to tell a story without using such cheap schlock to manipulate your mood. FRITZ was scathing social satire with no apologies, even if it was exploitive.

And STREET FIGHT, by the way, was never one of my favorites... I'd personally rather watch the Flintstones' first season than STREET FIGHT.

No, I don't want Batman in "BELLEVILLE" style, necessarily. But I also don't want him in anime style either... Especially if it's AMERICAN anime, which is just a copy of a copy of a copy of a style.

I'd like to see animation that has the detail of BELLEVILLE, but with the style of modern comic books. Frank Miller's work animated would be beautiful... And NOTHING like anime.

Anime is many things, but it can NOT pull off noir without looking pretty bland and photocopied. What anime does well is cheap, barely-animated action (still drawings with barely-moving bullets, mouths, and motion lines) and cheap tear-jerking scenes (close-up on the big-eyed child's single tear, mood music to force the point, etc.), and I'd rather not have Batman be either of those.

Batman is a western comic that has benefited by some AWESOME artists over the years-- Almost all of whom draw better and more varied than ANY anime or manga artist. Give me an animated version of Steranko's work, or Miller's, or even John Byrne's for goodness sake! (and I hate Byrne's art!)--- But not a big-eyes, small-mouth, barely-moving Batman that is all about striking poses and overly-wordy exposition.

I don't care if you have your PRINCESS MONOKE or other anime crap--- Just don't keep turning western characters into anime projects! I don't think that's unfair.

Why is it everything western is being made into manga or anime, but you don't see manga/anime characters turned into western style animated films? BECAUSE THE ANIME CHARACTERS ARE ONE-DIMENSIONAL and wouldn't hold up without the style. Would you like to see a version of AKIRA done by a western animator? How about a nice GI Joe styled Vampire Hunter D? No? Of course you wouldn't. So why would you want to see American characters ALL turned into anime characters?

My problem here is that EVERYTHING is getting this anime treatment, not because it's a good art form, but because it's popular with the adolescents. TEEN TITANS is the biggest lump of crap I've ever seen, and Animatrix is a lot of showing off what they can do, but not a lot of decent storytelling.

I'm sorry, I prefer substance over style. You obviously prefer the reverse.

Have You Ever Even Seen PAPRIKA, ZeroCorpse?
by LaserPants
Aug 5th, 2007
01:29:00 PM
Let me guess, the answer is "no," right? Otherwise, I don't see how anyone in the world could possibly equate a marital-arts fantasy cartoon for tweens and a noirish, paranoid, PKDick-y sci-fi horror film for adults as the same, or even remotely similar. No, okay, there is a similarity; both were made in Japan. So were many live-action films, techno-gadgets, and cars. I suppose they're all the same too? Don't tell me this is a racist thing, is it?

Also, how in the HELL is GRAVE OF THE FIREFLIES anything like SCHINDLER's LIST??? Because its set during WWII? Wha-buh? No Nazis in GotF that I saw, no concentration camps, no holocaust (other than the firebombing and starvation of Japanese children); seeing as how it was set in Japan and dealt primarily with two children being ostracized because they were orphans of war. Let me guess, you never saw that movie either? But you 'hated' it anyway? Sigh.

What it coems down to then, and the ONLY thing it comes down to is personal preference. Which is fine. YOU don't like anime, for whatever reason (no matter how kneejerk and half-thought-out your seething hatred seems to be), and thats just fine and dandy. But theres nothing even remotely valid about your blanket statements about the entire artform; especially considering that its quite clear you haven't seen half the things you purport to seeing. Yes, there is trash, as there is in any artform, but, as was mentioned several times by various posters above, for every piece of shit, theres a work of sheer brilliance that makes the trash sitting next to it on the racks at yr local video-shoppe (or online repository) irrelevant. People aren't exicted by the trash, they're excited by the treasures; all of which you have dismissed sight out of hand; clearly without ever having seen them. What a sad, tiny world you must live in.

Oh, btw, side-note on the PKDick thing. Dude, nearly EVERYONE working in sci-fi, or sci-fi type stories has ripped off (lets say 'inspired by') PKDick to a certain extent. Basically anyhting with clones, robots, disassociation, schizophrenia, paranoia, dystopian near futures, hell the ENTIRE cyberpunk pantheon, has been inspired by PKDick. Nevertheless, can't say I ever read a PKDick story about a cyborg supercop assassin achieveing enlightenment through a kind of cyber astral projection; though I see the clear influence there, its hardly a "rip-off."
And Again, Who Do You Nominate To Animate BATMAN?
by LaserPants
Aug 5th, 2007
01:40:45 PM
Keeping in mind that Bruce Timm has been mentioned several times. Anyone? Any studio? Who? If anyone could do the BATMAN animation in Frank Miller's style (which, I agree, would FUCKING RULE -- real high contasty, black and white) it would be, you guessed it AN ANIME STUDIO. Have you seen KILL BILL? Imagine a BATMAN animated movie that looked like THAT. With crazy fluid fight scenes and dynamism. Can't say there were too many characters with giant eyes and crazy hair there, sorry. Or in AKIRA, for that matter; seeing as how the characters looked rather more asian than western or "round-eyed." You know what it seems like is you've seen a handful of childrens anime and therefore have written off ALL anime regardless of whether or not you've even seen it. I don't get it. I don't get the close-mindedness or willful ignorance. Is it fun? To dismiss everything based on a cursory impression of a limited scope? Why? Sounds like a pain in the ass to be so close-minded.
Bakshi was a rotoscoper.
by CZ
Aug 5th, 2007
01:50:50 PM
I can tell the difference between Cowboy Bebop and Ghost in the Shell, Zero. And I can certainly tell the difference between Dragonball and Paprika. I can only assume that you can't because you haven't actually watched any of them.
Batmanime
by Cobbio
Aug 5th, 2007
05:06:21 PM
This project sounds cool if it's legit. Could be a fake announcement, though, engineered by a dreamer. I don't know.

Some anime (the non-Penguin populated stuff) I like. Plus, I loved "The Animatrix." That shit was fantastic. "Final Flight of the Osiris" was more kickass and meaningful than the entire second and third movies. I know it wasn't anime -- more CG, actually -- but I'd pay to see THAT in the movie theater.

Here's to hoping this Batmanime is real.

When they say "the style of Anime" I cringe...
by blindambition238
Aug 5th, 2007
05:30:52 PM
I have a friend who likes Anime and tried to get me into it but I couldn't dig it, mainly the fantasy based ones. I respect it but its just not my cup of tea. That being said, I wouldn't mind a batman project that is being done, visually by proper anime studios and scripted by comic vets, but when I read that "in the style of" bit, I have a feeling its going to be the pseudo-anime style thats cropped up on The Batman and Teen Titans. They basically just take what a studio's disneyfied idea of animie is and force it on a property regardless of its content. So if they do really mean it, let hope they send it to people who actually do it right. Oh yea and fire Goyer.
would love to see Batman done by Pixar & Belleville's
by pipergates
Aug 5th, 2007
08:24:01 PM
I'm sure they could both adapt their styles to a darker, less cartoonish and childish tone. It actually has to be an evolutionary next step for them, at least for Pixar. I bet Brad Birds' secret new project is heading in that direction... And even if they did it in their already well known styles it would be worthy at least as a spoofy elseworlds kind of thing.
This could be cool.
by FuzzyWhisper
Aug 7th, 2007
12:47:33 AM
If it's handled correctly. Then again, there are so many way it could go wrong. But things like Karas and The Soultaker and Gungrave give me hope, so I'll give it a chance.
Hey Zero Corpse!
by Johnno
Aug 7th, 2007
11:56:03 PM
I addressed Tripletts. I've got no problem with Tripletts. And are you seriously trying to pitch us Ralph fucking Bakshi's work??? And Fritz the cat??? And you want Batman to be more like that? I'm sure that's not what you're saying but what are you saying?

And you're trying to say there's no variety in Anime when it comes to character designs? Pick up Robot Carnival, Check out Tekron Kinreet, Check out the good shit being made by Studio 4C. Watch some Satoshi Kon movies and look at the character designs. Check out Black Lagoon for a full international cast. Open up a Hellsing manga! And you're telling me that the Cowboy Bebop characters look exactly like the GITS movie ones? I guess they're human characters and human tend to have the same facial features, not like the variety of cartoon animals and exaggerrated expression in the good ol' American years huh? You moron! While you are correct that the traditional manga style with big eyes and colourful is used perhaps too often, again it seems because it was appealing and so became the commercialized style for the more popular shows that were made to appeal to children and all ages. But to outright say that ANime has never changed it up or doesn't contain a variety is just stupidity.

I studied a good bit of animation history from the Fleischers, Lantz, Jones, etc. etc. blah blah blah. All those Mickey Mouse cartoons, Popyeye shows etc. used homogenous character designs too! Did you even fucking watch the cartoons? It's the same generic goat, mouse, dog ant, bug, bear, horse base model, taken and recycled with some new hair and clothes and used again for every 5 min short! Not only that but Disney had to actually go about suing other studios for ripping off their iconic Mickey Mouse design. Only Disney and WB went on to create more unique iconic characters and break the mold by experimenting with styles, and occasionally UPA would come along and try some shit too. Hey maybe you can tell me why every prince and princess has the same facial expressions. you are making no points other than to reiterate that America is good at trying out different styles. Most of them in my opinion are shit, so what if they're different. And let's examine WB's Batman and Superman series. Same square jaw face on everyone. Same beedy eyes. What the fuck are you trying to prove huh? Studios by and large on commercial properties tend to utilize a similar style. You can usually tell which studio did what jsut by examining the character designs most of the time. So given that the anime industry in Japan puts out a lot of fucking shows almost on par with prime time television, it's not surprising that you'd see a lot of the 'same looking stuff' except at times where large studios do take a chance and experiment a little or try to mimic a certain style from manga. And by and large, because these are made in Japan and feature japanese casts, have you even taken a look at what the majority of asian people look like in their culture with most of them sporting the same hairstyles, wearing the similar school uniforms? Hence the oft impolite joke that 'asian people look the same'? Well they do! And anime tends to reflect Japanese society in that manner.

And all you do is reiterate that American studios only focus largely on animal flicks and comedies (SImpsons, Family GUy, King of the Hill). How many mature shows are on TV, huh? Where is the good stuff? I'm not just an anime fan. I can love animation from any country. I grew up on American animation! GI Joe, Bugs Bunny, Ninja Turtles, Batman, Spider-Man etc. etc. I can like stuff like Tripletts, and Disney movies, and Pink Panther and Mr. Magoo, and the Pixar films and Don Hearst etc etc etc. I love animation. But I'm also grown up and would like to see animated stories that are more than just slapstick comedies, Bevis and Butthead, and talking animals or musicals with animal sidekicks. American studios by and large are not doing this. Japanese studios are. I don't give a fuck if you design characters that represent escher paintings, I'll look at it once and if there's nothing compelling to keep me there I will dismiss it as just being style no substance, good only for a short film. Anime is popular because of the diverse stories it tells, for kids and adults. That's why people are getting into it. All you've fucking done is complain about character designs that you don't like and that's for one your fucking opinion, and two, it's not the japanese studios faults that American studios are trying to mimic them and too stupid to realize it's more than just the big fucking eyes.

And you twit. The overwhelming majority of anime is produced at low budget to be put out on a weekly basis. Watch some actual good quality films that use good budget. Full Metal Panic's sessons are also good. And dumbass. Unlike American shows that animate in n exaggerrated manner for most of teh time (and have the budgets for better fluidity) a lot of anime depending on the fucking genre (A more serious versus a TV slapstick comedy if you can't tell the difference, will not use exaggerrated movement for human character interacting in a realistic world in a realistic story. There's a difference between the tear dropped visual gag loudmouths of a Sailor Moon, and something the likes of Patlabor and other serious Oshii films. Before calling out other people's abilities to distinguish between character designs perhaps you need to learn to distinguish precisely what you're watching and not lump things together. YOu've watched a lot but you're obviously too stupid to think outside of rotoscoped Bakshi films as being 'well animated' or exaggerrated satirical pussies in Fritz, or the horrendously designed characters of King of the hill. Let's see you try and merchandise that on par with Disney characters or the 'homogenous' anime products.

So if anyone wants a good Batman, a Batman done right and with a mature approach, then anime studios are teh obvious choice. ANd jsut because they're anime studios dumbass, doesn't mean they are going to use the manga big eyes colourful spiky hairstyle! You're a fucking dolt. Did you watch Animatrix? Count the fucking styles! Second Renaissance was based on Geoff Darrow's art! Program was typical of Madhouse's typical design style but try telling me thsoe character designs look 'homogenous' so I can laugh in your face. Detective Story totally rocked had a noir style and the black and white was fucking beautiful with realistic looking characters that were reminiscient of American film actors. Kids story was a totally rad raw animation experiment. Matriculated had Chung's MTV feel, Beyond had Morimoto's unique visual flair and character designs. Animatrix is a big middle finger in your face of your criticisms of anime companies. You are clearly just an ignorant moron, so I'd urge you to dig around that shop or whatever where you sell this shit at and look around a bit, or maybe you're the dumbass who thinks all anime is big eyed, spiky hired people and so when searching out what you thought was limited to 'anime' only picked up the same shit like a retard over and over again. That's all I can say for your limited scope that you clearly display. If anything, the Japanese have been really fucking good at adapting their own manga, style and all to the medium. And rarely get the chance to work on American comics. So all you have to do is give them the Batman style that you want, give them the proper budget and they'll get it done. Which is what I hope they will do, otherwise we'll get another fine American 'whatwethinkisanime' style product and you'll only have your American studio to blame.
Sounds Awesome. I loved Animatrix.
by CrichtonAstronut
Aug 8th, 2007
09:40:43 AM
I too especailly loved Detective Story. Stylistically that was my favorite. The black and white animation the Noir style. Excellent. It would definitely by a good style for a Batman anime short. Of course we know Batman: TAS from the 90s rocked. As far as anime in general goes. For one thing Johnno's correct. There is no one anime style. Saying anime only one thing like saying all novels are the same. Or all live action movies are the same. I got two words for the haters Cowboy Bebop. If you can't find something awsome in that series you aint seen it or you weren't paying attenton. And any medium that can produce that is worth serious attention. The way live action movies are 'cause of Godfather, Casablanca and Citizen Kane. Yeah, there's also bad movies. But their worth wading through to get to those moments of glory. The series based on the Ghost in the Shell movies is pretty solid too. Not to mention the movies themselves, or Akira. Or Graveyard of the Fireflies, a body would have clinically dead not to feel something in that movie.
I forgot to mention Animatrix's World Record
by Johnno
Aug 8th, 2007
12:19:25 PM
If you want to see some amazing fluid scenes with zany designs and stylish exaggeration check out anything done by Takeshi Koike! And yes that's ALSO anime! If WB's smart they will do for Batman what they did for Animatrix!
Batman and Anime
by nicegoogly
Aug 8th, 2007
02:49:48 PM
Being a Batfan and a Japanimation freak (used that since I go way back) I was hoping the Batman cartoon that was released in 1992 was going for the anime approach, but it was done in a 40's style (which still worked) when I actually got to see it. I certainly hope they don't do it in the zany Teen Titans anime homage style. This also seems unlikely, given the subject matter. The problem with "anime style" instead of anime is you get something like that horribly animated Highlander: Vengeance. Character designs looked so similar to Wicked City and Ninja Scroll but the execution sucked and the animation looked more americanized by the time you get to the last twenty minutes.
darwinwins
by SpookyOtaku
Aug 8th, 2007
03:50:51 PM
There are some things that actually make anime superior to our own animation, 1st and foremost the framerate (or number of cells per second) in anime is usually on par with that of a live action film whereas our animation is lucky if there is a third of that rate, second anime is not viewed as a medium directed at children as our cartoons tend to be and finally it's just plain cool. I've been a fan since Akira made it's first run through American theaters (88-89...hmmmm about the same time Burtons Bats was hitting the screens)...can't wait for this.
There another area where Anime is superior...
by Johnno
Aug 8th, 2007
11:53:30 PM
And that's the detail and quality of their background art.
Anime
by lobo65
Aug 16th, 2007
09:08:32 AM
Bleh. I won't buy it. I hate Anime styled animation.
If you hate the Ninja Scroll style, then you're lying.
by Neo Zeed
Aug 22nd, 2007
12:41:36 PM
Why would anyone would want Saturday morning bullshit animation, rather than a super detailed version ala Vampire Hunter D: Bloodlust or Ninja Scroll(both of which had great stories BTW.) And that style of anime is cooler looking than the best of what America has to offer. That includes Batman:TAS. Also, the typical "anime's story sucks" arguement doesn't hold water, because Americans are writing this. So even if you're a hater, you should love this. It's the equivalent of saying if you hate superhot girls, because you think they're idiots. However, you meet one who's smart AND into you. But you reject her anyway because you stubbornly cling to your beliefs. You can't believe it exists, even when it's staring you in the face......just like, you can't believe awesome visuals and story can exist when it comes to mature animation. By the way all of your favorite 80's cartoons were animated by the Japanese (Real Ghostbusters, Transformers, etc.)and written by Americans, so all haters can fuck off.
Wake me up when they've signed Shinichiro Watanabe.
by Harry Weinstein
Sep 17th, 2007
10:16:13 PM
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