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Moriarty Gets His Ass Kicked By THE BOURNE ULTIMATUM!

first fuckers by SteffanLongdon	Jul 31st, 2007 11:44:29 AM
it's me Vamp
This will be good. Last hope for Summer movies by Stuntcock Mike	Jul 31st, 2007 11:45:54 AM
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Great review by SteffanLongdon	Jul 31st, 2007 11:46:35 AM
has/as always. lol
Love the Bourne films by theBigE	Jul 31st, 2007 11:47:25 AM
But the first was better. The Greengrass - shaky cam ruined that final car chase in Russia in Supremacy. And I'm not some namby pamby person that hates hand-held: I was fine with it in Blair Witch. It just made it too chaotic in Supremacy.
the bourne movies are awesome by adamthelegend	Jul 31st, 2007 11:48:00 AM
the first one was fantastic, the second one even better and now, apparently, the third is better still! well done to Liman,Greengrass and Damon for providing us with these excellent movies
Bourne is no Bond by SteffanLongdon	Jul 31st, 2007 11:49:25 AM
Good films but really there's no comparison.
Still feeling sick from the last one. by JohnnyThanatos	Jul 31st, 2007 11:50:37 AM
Loved the plot, loved the sense of urgency, didn't love feeling nauseous for 90 minutes after it was over. My $200 Sony handycam had better image stabilizing than that movie. If I can confirm the shaky cam is reduced to "grand mal siezure" I might go see it.
JOHN RAMBO and BOURNE! by ABking	Jul 31st, 2007 11:52:01 AM
This is the kind of review I want JOHN RAMBO to get...
In a million years did you ever think Good Will Hunting by Jugdish	Jul 31st, 2007 11:54:35 AM
would be an awesome spy? Never- but Matt Damon really brings his A Game..can't wait to catch it.
Was Lloyd really with Ari at the premiere? by tonagan	Jul 31st, 2007 11:56:38 AM
I heard he was actually cheating on his boyfriend at the time.
can't wait for this... by just pillow talk	Jul 31st, 2007 11:57:50 AM
I am so glad to hear that it seems to hit the mark again. I love the first two, and I really think Damon is just awesome in these. And Casino Royale was fucking fantastic. And SteffanLongdon, it really depends upon what you want in your spy movie. All the Bond movies prior to Casino Royale were much more over the top than the Bourne series, and if you like that better, cool. Me, I like the Bourne series and Casino Royale much better. While I still enjoy the old Bond movies, just not as much.
yup, made him more by just pillow talk	Jul 31st, 2007 12:00:15 PM
identifiable..not a superhuman spy who couldn't get hurt, but some normal guy who got turned into a killing machine.
Albert Finney is in this? by newc0253	Jul 31st, 2007 12:00:47 PM
does he play the brother of Brian Cox's character? or his clone?
I love these films... by SG7	Jul 31st, 2007 12:02:49 PM
...and you know that with the arguable exception of the Daniel Craig rendition, Bourne would kick every movie Bond's ass ten times over. Until the last film Bond has been a soft, flabby playboy who'd be dead without Q. Man, That'd be awesome. Daniel Craig and Matt Damon in a Bond -n- Bourne film just snapping necks and fucking people up.
Pillow talk.... by SteffanLongdon	Jul 31st, 2007 12:02:59 PM
I love CASINO ROYALE, it was probably my 2nd favourite film last year. i agree though, Bourne does kick the shit out of Brosnan in TOMORROW NEVER DIES and DIE ANOTHER DAY. I should of said the character 'James Bond' is better. He's probably cinema's most famous character.
Finally, the good films of this summer arrive.. by Klaus Herzog	Jul 31st, 2007 12:03:58 PM
After the Spidey/Pirates/Shrek shitfest we can enjoy summer movies again. The Simpsons movie is great, as, I have almost no doubt, this is. Good review Mori, though I would have wished you'd go a little more into details. It's good to know there's less headache-inducing shaky-cam. I will check this fucker out for sure.
ahh, okay SteffanLongdon... by just pillow talk	Jul 31st, 2007 12:09:36 PM
I completely agree about the iconic standing of the Bond character. You can't be in movies for over 40 years and not have some significant weight attached to the character. SG7 hit it on the head..Bond had become soft. Not no more. Let's hope they continue, like Mori said, to follow the same path as the Bourne films and make equally has great sequels.
SUCKS by dagonjr	Jul 31st, 2007 12:11:13 PM
This piece is supposed to redeem this summer? Damon is barely an actor, and it'll be way too unbelievable to even be guilty fun.
I am so primed for this by DirkD13"	Jul 31st, 2007 12:12:10 PM
If they make a forth, they should wait at least 6 or 7 years and then bring Damon back. Greengrass too.
"Damon is barely an actor" by just pillow talk	Jul 31st, 2007 12:13:24 PM
Sorry to inform you dagonjr, but he's an actor, and by most people's standards, a pretty good one. And he completely sells it that he's a spy. Sorry the movies don't work for you.
To those that hated Supremacy... by Sidius	Jul 31st, 2007 12:15:32 PM
Go rewatch it again on DVD before seeing Ultimatum. While I do admit that the hand-held camera shakiness didn't translate very well to the larger format of a theater screen it works like gangbusters on the small screen. It makes me wonder if they edited and watched the dailies largely in the smaller format and didn't realize till it was all cut together how jarring it was on the larger screen. At that point it was too late to correct it. In terms of sheer storytelling though Supremacy is a better film than Identity and if as the reviews have said Greengrass has toned down the shake and amped up the action then I have very high hopes for Ultimatum. The best of both worlds and possible the best of the series (so far - a guy can hope). I dont know about you guys but Matt Damon rocks the shit in this series...
dagonjr... by Sidius	Jul 31st, 2007 12:19:29 PM
What other 30's actors would you have preferred to see as Jason Bourne. The only other actor that has the gravitas IMO to pull it off IMO is Clive Owen. I'm just interested to see what your suggestions would be...
Matt SUCKS by dagonjr	Jul 31st, 2007 12:22:31 PM
What a pathetic excuse for acting. Clive Owen I agree would be waaay better.
Why won't Damon give Affleck a role in his blockbusters by BringingSexyBack	Jul 31st, 2007 12:22:45 PM
Friends don't let friends star in Gigli.
Didn't like Identity by CherryValance	Jul 31st, 2007 12:23:58 PM
so I didn't see Supremacy. I never understood what was so great about it. I'm going to guess it's the car chase, which is the one guy thing that I've never understood. My taste in movies tends to be more typical of males, but with the chases I just don't get it. I just mentally check out until they're over. So if that's the main selling point of a movie I don't really need to see it. Although, I did enjoy Death Proof. But in that case the car "chase" was the whole point of the movie. In most movies I think they're like a commercial break. So if I wasn't that interested before the chase, it's nearly impossible for me to get back into it after. I'm sure that's what happened with Identity. And since I'm not a big Damon fan, I don't think I'll be seeing Ultimatum.
Clive Owen by xsi kal	Jul 31st, 2007 12:25:14 PM
Just watched Bourne Identity last week on tv... and wasn't Clive Owen one of the other Treadstone guys? (The one sent to assassinate Bourne at the farmhouse?) Anyway, I think Damon does an excellent job.
Ultimatum won't disappoint by Toby___Wong	Jul 31st, 2007 12:25:26 PM
Neither will Rush Hour 3.
Really Psyched For This by LaserPants	Jul 31st, 2007 12:25:57 PM
Good review Moriarity. One quibble: theres nothing cool about being a luddite, but I feel you -- I didn't have a cellphone either until living in Japan forced me to; now, back in the US, its become an irritating necesity. Still, if druthers I had, I would own every single new fangled gadget ever with which I could, if I so chose, watch, and write about, the true golden age of cinema (aka the nineteen hundred and seventies). Anyways, yeah, don't go all luddite -- its that attitude which makes otherwise not-so-bad guys like Dylan and Jack White and their well-meaning, but hypocritical anti-technological / anti-futurist yammering so deeply irritating.
you are correct xsi kal by just pillow talk	Jul 31st, 2007 12:28:04 PM
He was named the professor or something like that.
Mori ... the one gadget you MUST have is an Archos by BringingSexyBack	Jul 31st, 2007 12:30:56 PM
I carry an Archos everywhere. When I was standing on line at the bank earlier, I was watching Alien. The best thing about the Archos (compared to other PVPs) is that it records off any video source - Cable box, DVD player, Game console, , you name it. Check it out. In your line of work, this is a must have for you, even more than a laptop. Best thing is you can put it in your pocket. If the iPhone can do what the Archos does, I'd drop everything and buy it.
A solid series so far.. by Ironmuskrat	Jul 31st, 2007 12:37:35 PM
Definitely looking forward to seeing this. The first two Bourne movies were far from perfect but they did manage to entertain the hell out of me. I know I might catch hell for saying this, but the main reason I think the Bourne movies work is Matt Damon. Not a big fan of his overall, but he does a good job of selling the whole rogue spy persona for me. I think he has a future in adventure/action movies. It makes me wonder if Matt is kicking himself for all those years of playing Ben Affleck sidekick when he could have been out there becoming a star on his own.
WHATEVER !!!! by dagonjr	Jul 31st, 2007 12:42:52 PM
Matt and Ben are interchangeable, except Ben got J-Lo.
Late summer Afternoon? by Internet Thug	Jul 31st, 2007 12:43:34 PM
Last I checked it was July 31st..making it mid-summer.
yup, they're interchangeable by just pillow talk	Jul 31st, 2007 12:45:16 PM
except that they are completely different and Damon is the better actor.
CherryValance, turn in your man card now by Acappellaman	Jul 31st, 2007 12:48:54 PM
First off, car chases RULE. For anybody who enjoys car chases, if you haven't seen Ronin, go see it NOW. Back to you now, CherryValance. Yes, the car chases are part of the Bourne movies, but it's not like they're there just for show - they're part of who Bourne is. Part of his training clearly included training in handling cars in dangerous situations. If you can pry your head out of that hole in the ground, watch the FULL MOVIE, including the car chases, because they do move the movies forward. I can't wait to see this movie. My wife and I are big fans of Damon. He's a great actor, regardless of what some morons in here say.
The reason why Ultimatum will be great by kwisatzhaderach	Jul 31st, 2007 12:50:23 PM
They hired an extremely talented director to make it. Why are people still going on about Bond? Martin Campbell is one of the bigest hack directors going. There was more impressive filmmaking skill in the first 10 minutes of Supremacy than there was in the whole of Royale. One of the critics at the premiere screenin of Ultimatum stood up at the end and shouted "Run it again!". Bring it on.
Ronin did have a kickass chase... by just pillow talk	Jul 31st, 2007 12:51:51 PM
I really liked that movie. Has Dinero done any movies since? sigh...
I Can't Believe Affleck Can Even Get Work by LaserPants	Jul 31st, 2007 12:53:06 PM
With the exception of his appearances in Kevin Smith's movies, Affleck grinds every single movie he's in to a screaming halt with his utter lack of talent or ability. DAREDEVIL was excrutiatingly bad because of him. Sure he gets props for banging J-Lo and Garner, but that doesn't make him not suck. He just got really lucky and somehow managed to make a career out of being friends with Damon who is a great actor, with a great deal of range, and seems like a pretty cool/nice guy in spite of the fact that he doesn't need to be. I think Affleck probably knows his too, and wakes up in a cold sweat everyday waiting for the rug to eventually be pulled out from under him -- "The jig is up!" (sayeth coldsweat Affleck) "Time to see if I can get my job at Moobies back. Sigh"
MRX67 by kwisatzhaderach	Jul 31st, 2007 12:54:09 PM
You'll wait and see it on DVD? Thats just crazy man. That one shot where Bourne jumps through the air towards the open window is enough reason to see it in the cinema. Then you have another 2 hours of cool shit and quality filmmaking on top.
Don't be proud of being a tech-retard by Rupee88	Jul 31st, 2007 12:59:10 PM
At least you finally got a cell phone and laptop, but your pride in waiting so long makes you seem kinda dumb.
MRX67 by Gilkuliehe	Jul 31st, 2007 01:04:52 PM
Matt Damon "an average looking guy"? You don't walk on streets much, do you?
I will say Ben was good in Hollywoodland... by just pillow talk	Jul 31st, 2007 01:04:57 PM
and while I liked Dalton as Bond...there is no way in hell he could take on Bourne. And Craig wasn't supposed to be completely suave since this was the beginning. This was the setup for what was to come. And Brosnan movies were big, dumb movies. Bourne movies are the complete opposite. And what does Joan Allen have to do with Bourne vs. Bond? What about Q???
CASINO ROYALE = THE BOND ULTIMATIUM by LaserPants	Jul 31st, 2007 01:04:58 PM
Its pretty clear that the makers of the new Bond (which rocked!) were heavily influenced by the more 'realistic' BOURNE series.
Dr Gonzo ... by BringingSexyBack	Jul 31st, 2007 01:23:59 PM
BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!! Prodigy ...
stop whining about shaky cam by BurgerKing	Jul 31st, 2007 01:25:26 PM
Shaky cam isn't as bad as people say, if you feel sick from a camera swaying back and forth, get a new hobby, seriously. I work at a theatre and had old ladies coming out of Children of Men thinking either a) our projecter was screwed (what idiots) or b) they were gonna hurl so they had to sit outside. It';s not a god damn rollercoaster, get over it!
Bond may go back to humor by #1 Zero	Jul 31st, 2007 01:26:46 PM
I don't know if he was joking but in August's "Interview" Magazine, Daniel Craig said that the producers of Bond wanted to have more "Pussy Galore" type humor in the next movie. there are already blogs about how this is a bad idea. Anyway, Casino Royale wasn't the Bond that we are familiar with, he didn't have one liners after he killed someone, it was definitely more of a Bourne approach, and I liked that so maybe the bond producers now want to take the more traditional route with bond which would be a mistake since CR was so good and successful.
Dalton by kwisatzhaderach	Jul 31st, 2007 01:30:44 PM
He was so RIGHT as Bond. Typical that the mainstream masses didn't take to him. The Living Daylights is a class Bond film, so far superior to Casino Royale it hurts. And the John Barry score is sweeping, majestic and utterly magnificent. God, I love that film.
BurgerKing by TheRealMoriarty	Jul 31st, 2007 01:37:58 PM
It really does affect some people on a physical level, especially projected on the bigscreen. If it doesn't bother you, fine, but I know many people who get motion sickness from handheld camerawork when they see it projected, and it's just a physical reaction they can't control.
Mori by kwisatzhaderach	Jul 31st, 2007 01:39:56 PM
Do they play Extreme Ways at the end? Please say they do...
AnimalStructure by kwisatzhaderach	Jul 31st, 2007 01:41:14 PM
Right back at ya babe.
Great Review by Baltimoron	Jul 31st, 2007 01:48:02 PM
Still have to pick up the 2nd one on DVD.
Matt Damon by King Sweyn Forkbeard	Jul 31st, 2007 01:49:42 PM
Decent actor with a cracking eye for a project. Can't think of many bad films he's been in. Enjoyed the hell out of the first two. Looking forward to this.
Saw the second one in the 3rd row by Flipao	Jul 31st, 2007 01:53:56 PM
I couldnt tell what the hell was going on, but was too polite/stupid to leave :/
Too BUSY by dagonjr	Jul 31st, 2007 02:02:19 PM
Too many explosions, too many impossible situations !!! Just bring in Tom Kruise, and get it over WITH !!!
Michelangelo Antonioni is dead as well by RokurGepta	Jul 31st, 2007 02:02:25 PM
RIP
Hey Moriarty by Phimseto	Jul 31st, 2007 02:02:28 PM
What do you think about those comments attributed to Daniel Craig that the next Bond is going to be super-jokey?
The Archos by Flipao	Jul 31st, 2007 02:03:34 PM
Nice to see the little french company carving a niche for itself, they made some great audio players, the Gmini 402 is a freakin masterpiece (music, video, games, camera, usb host... all on the size of an Ipod video), but they pretty much decided to focus on video and leave Apple alone :/
Boune's fighting style by thevision	Jul 31st, 2007 02:08:56 PM
I've seen Identity on the big screen and Ultimatum on DVD. First one was better...had more fight scenes. I was hoping for mano-a-mano between Bourne and Karl Urban's Russian assassin. What is Bourne's fighting style? Looks like a cross between empty-hand Escrima and Kenpo. Damon looks very convincing with the fight scenes. Identity had the best fight scenes since Benicio Del Toro and Tommy Lee Jones in "The Hunted."
007 is NOT rough around the edges..... by DarfurOnTheRocks	Jul 31st, 2007 02:22:59 PM
I loved Casino Royale because it is a good origin story. The problem which origin stories however is that you can only tell them once. Connery's Bond is the definitive polished character, who has impeccable dress sense, style, and gets the ladies, and is a proficient killer. IMHO Bond would not be 007 if he continues to fall in love and curl up in the shower after killing someone. Like someone said earlier, it is not being human that makes Craig's Bond , it is the spartan use of gadgets and a good story, and good acting that accomplishes that.
TLD by Tai Chi Panda	Jul 31st, 2007 02:25:32 PM
Timothy Dalton was great, and TLD is one of my favorite post-Connery movies. I wish he would have had a chance to film a few more after LTK, he could have been a truly definitive Bond. Oh well.
RE: Bourne's Fighting Style by buddman	Jul 31st, 2007 02:51:13 PM
Damon said that he trained in Kali (an older version of escrima - both Phillipino styles emphasize similar movements using hand, stick and knife - check out this week's Human Weapon on the History Channel) prior to the first film. I liked the extended H2H fight in the Supremacy - looked some Brazilian Jiu Jitsu positioning with some dirty finishes. Looking forward to Ultimatum.
Is it just me, or do these seem like Seagal films... by mr.underwater	Jul 31st, 2007 02:58:30 PM
Without Seagal? Bad guys circle up hero, limbs get busted, rise, repeat. I've only seen the first, but it seemed like Hard to Kill with a car chase.
uggh, Casino Royale worst Bond ever... by datachasm	Jul 31st, 2007 03:18:21 PM
Lazenby, Moore, and Connery (in that order) were great Bonds. they were charismatic figures and offered a powerful screen presence... the new guy is the prick at the bar that tries to bang your wife. that having been said... this summer had a few good movies. Spiderman 3, Die Hard 4, Sunshine... you guys are spoiled brats thinking every movie coming out needs to be groundbreaking and innovative as say T2.
Where is the Michelangelo Antonioni talkback? by RokurGepta	Jul 31st, 2007 03:24:01 PM
???????
Datachasm: Uh Spider 3 sucked. Casino was great by Stormwatcher	Jul 31st, 2007 03:34:38 PM
Whatever your stance of "its a bond film or not" You loose credibility saying the weepfest and awkward musical that was Spidey 3 being a good movie.
mr.underwater by BadMrWonka	Jul 31st, 2007 03:36:44 PM
yes, without Seagal, and with better directing/writing/acting/editi ng/production design/cinematography/special effects... but I see where you were going with that... (rolls eyes)
Filipino Fighting by thevision	Jul 31st, 2007 03:40:19 PM
I think the Muslims use the term Kali. The people of Cebu call it Escrima. I believe the generic term is Arnis de Mano. Whatever is called, made Damon look like a total badass. I wonder how long he trained?
Extreme Ways by Tom Whitaker	Jul 31st, 2007 03:58:34 PM
Yes, they use it at the end, although it's a new version/mix. It's a good film and maintains the feel of Supremacy (my favourite in the series) but it's not as good IMHO.
Yeah! by lost.rules	Jul 31st, 2007 04:06:58 PM
Identity was aight, but Supremacy rules! Hope this one is just as good.
If they greenlight a sequel and Damon still says no... by LittleDudes	Jul 31st, 2007 04:08:01 PM
...they should totally give the role to Hogan. "WHO AM I, BROTHER?".
No surprise-- BOURNE is a fantastic film series by Yack Backer	Jul 31st, 2007 04:13:14 PM
Hats off to the filmmakers for PLANNING out such an excellent trio of movies. Color me impressed. I can't wait to see this one-- great review Mori.
Bond has fun.....Bourne not so much by imladaris	Jul 31st, 2007 04:13:56 PM
Bond eats good, dresses sharp, gets the hottest women in bed with no effort at all. Bourne is a miserable bastard by any comparison.
What's next? The Bourne Complacency? by snm1266	Jul 31st, 2007 04:15:35 PM
Didn't really care for Bourne2 and REALLY hate Julia Styles as an actress. Bourne is a whiner like Harry Potter was in the book version of Order of the Phoenix. I just wish they'd kill him off already or let him drift off into obscurity.
Why wasn't Damon DAREDEVIL? by Yack Backer	Jul 31st, 2007 04:16:00 PM
After these movies, it's obvious that TPTB chose the wrong guy. Damon would have been perfect as Matt Murdock
Casino Royale sucked my ass!! by jojo-pimp	Jul 31st, 2007 04:17:51 PM
Bourne wouldnt allow himself to get kidnapped and have someone tie him naked to a chair and hit him with a rope in the balls! I'm sorry...that was the dumbest torture scene of all frickin time...totally took me out of the film and made the rest of the damn movie laughable.
Extreme Ways is the best song in the world by misnomer	Jul 31st, 2007 04:23:51 PM
...until Moby starts singing. Someone really ought to tell him to stick to vocal samples.
If you guys don't like Shaky-Cam... by -guyinthebackrow	Jul 31st, 2007 04:29:18 PM
You're gonna hate that Untitled J.J. Abrams film.
Flipao by BringingSexyBack	Jul 31st, 2007 04:32:53 PM
Yeah the Archos GMini was great, I gave it to my GF when I got the AV500. I wanted the DVR ability and it's so fucking awesome. I basically just connect it to a dedicated $35 DVD player and record movies in the background, then back up the files to DVD. They have a new generation of players out now - WIFI-enabled so you can view and browse the Web on any hotspot. Amazing gadgets.
Shaky-cams make me puke by BringingSexyBack	Jul 31st, 2007 04:33:45 PM
I hope none of you sit in front of me at the theater.
Okay, you're right by mr.underwater	Jul 31st, 2007 04:33:52 PM
The lighting is much better for the limb breaking than in any Seagal film. Because that's really important in a movie about nameless bad guys getting their arms snapped...
Can't Wait by tk 421	Jul 31st, 2007 04:35:37 PM
I watched both Identity and Supremacy this week and I can't wait for Ultimatum. Loved the first two films, especially the car chases. I can't believe Albert Finney is in it though because when I first saw Identity my wife and I didn't know who Brian Cox was so we called him "not-Albert Finney" for years.
jojo pimp by BringingSexyBack	Jul 31st, 2007 04:35:37 PM
Bond getting caught and tortured is a lot more realistic than a super-agent who never gets caught. That's why I liked Casino Royale - it was more realistic.
Great Review Mori. I can't wait to see this. by Yeti	Jul 31st, 2007 04:38:16 PM
Unfortunatley I have to wait to Monday. Le sigh.
Didn't care for this review as much. . . by heyscot	Jul 31st, 2007 04:51:57 PM
I like your reviews most of the time, and I'll see this movie at some point, but I feel like you're reading a lot into these movies. I had a different experience. For some reason I never felt like Damon's Bourne (and let me just say now that I really like Damon quite a bit as a person) was all that emotionally invested in most of what he does. I didn't get the sense, as you did, that he was felt the loss of Marie as much as I thought he might. But then I never felt like he was all that invested in her either. Damon's portrayal has a curious lack of emotion in it to me, although again I don't think Damon himself is emotionless. But Bourne is the type of spy who doesn't register emotion on his face and doesn't ever let his voice go above a certain decibel level. So I never got the sense that he was as invested at finding out his identity as you wrote, which is weird for me personally because I walked into these movies with the goodwill of a spy-movie dork who wanted to escape into these movies. I can only read so much into the strong and silent type before I lose emotional investment in the characters. But I hope this one is good.
Damon As DAREDEVIL! by LaserPants	Jul 31st, 2007 04:52:31 PM
I like it! Maybe they'll give it a reboot? That would rokk.
Curaon Is The ONLY Director Who Does Shaky Cam Right by LaserPants	Jul 31st, 2007 04:56:39 PM
For proof of this see CHILDREN OF MEN, easily the best movie of the decade, and featuring some of the greatest cinematography in the history of the moving image. That being said, I didn't mind the shakycam in SUPREMACY, but I understand lots of people hated it.
That is, CUARON by LaserPants	Jul 31st, 2007 04:58:18 PM
Duh. Sorry.
Bourne Ultimatum is brilliant by Freakemovie	Jul 31st, 2007 05:03:13 PM
Saw a preview screening of it last week and it blew me away...I've been a solid fan of the Bourne movies, but I'm pretty sure this one was the best. There's one scene fairly early on where the shaky cam is really noticable, and that got me pretty worried because I was sitting VERY close to the screen. But then I didn't notice it for the entire rest of the movie, so Greengrass must've reined it in a bit. Overall it's ridiculous how entertaining this movie is.
Greengrass Owns The Bourne Franchise! by JaySmack	Jul 31st, 2007 05:05:45 PM
I didn't really care for the first Bourne movie -too slow, too meandering, not smart enough, and nowhere near enough action. Felt like a fucking foreign film. Now the Bourne Supremacy on the other hand was exactly the opposite. Smart, fast, sophisticated without being stuffy, and action packed throughout. About as well-designed a thrill machine as an espionage movie can be. It raised the bar, something Bond hasn't done in nearly ten years. Greengrass owns this franchise and I hope the talentless asshole who made the first Bourne movie gets out of the movie business altogether. I will defintely see the next Bourne movie, something that would NEVER have happened if Liman was still directing the series.
Finally The First Great Blockbuster of the Summer! by JaySmack	Jul 31st, 2007 05:09:59 PM
After the shitstorm of big-budget bullshit we've been drowning in, culminating in the God-awful Bayformers, it's finally safe for the adults to return to the theaters, and Jason Bourne is kicking ass showing the way. FINALLY the first great Blockbuster of the summer! Better late than never.
Not a fan of the Bourne Films, here's why... by barnaby jones	Jul 31st, 2007 05:17:00 PM
In a word it's Damon, for me he just doesn't convince. Shaky cam is horrid too.
LET THIS BE THE LAST ONE by DOGSOUP	Jul 31st, 2007 05:22:06 PM
Great stories have a beginning, middle, and END. I love these films but if this one ends things as well as your review lets on then let's let Jason Bourne's journey to self discovery be complete.
What, No Coverage Of The Joe Namath Bio-Pic ??? by Magic Rat	Jul 31st, 2007 05:34:38 PM
Jake Gyllenhal is going to play Joe Namath in a bio-pic and not one mention on this site? I'm disappointed.
Casino Royale, easily best Bond film in a long time.. by quantize	Jul 31st, 2007 05:37:15 PM
Craig nailed it, the script was excellent and what i dont get - which a lot of the bitchers moan about - is Craig IS actually ruthless and hard JUST LIKE CONNERY...Royale for me comes CLOSEST to classic Bond..fuck the martini's and camp jokes.
Too bad they raped the books. by thebearovingian	Jul 31st, 2007 05:52:02 PM
Read them and thank me.
GREENGRASS by THE KNIGHT	Jul 31st, 2007 05:58:19 PM
has yet to dissappoint me... I can't wait to see this!
Liked the first one the most by Geek Sodomizer	Jul 31st, 2007 06:12:02 PM
the shaky cam didn't bother me though, I thought the car chase at the end was brilliant. The fights, however, were better handled in the first.
bearovingian by Shaner Jedi	Jul 31st, 2007 06:43:48 PM
books and cinema = apples and oranges. A good movie is a good movie, "raping the books" or not.
FRANKFURT! by AllieJamison	Jul 31st, 2007 06:55:37 PM
fuck. shock. I was probably looking at his damn airplane when it flew over my house. anyway...good review....
I was never confused during SUPREMACY by zooch	Jul 31st, 2007 07:00:42 PM
"Shaky cam" is an excellent addition to any action scene if used appropriately. If used appropriately it makes the action scene feel more choatic and real. As long the director is still able give the audience a sence of what's going and where, which I think Greengrass does, then it's great. Unlike Michael Bay, who does not seem to care.
We need a Hot Fuzz DVD Talk Back by loswr86	Jul 31st, 2007 07:03:00 PM
The extras are great
Re: barnaby jones by JAGUART	Jul 31st, 2007 07:55:57 PM
I second that. Matt Damon as an action hero? No way.
Damon is solid in the role.. by quantize	Jul 31st, 2007 08:09:33 PM
you tools dissing him can't shake whatever other dickwad predjuidices you have against him...even Southpark can rise above it's own BS
mr.underwater by BadMrWonka	Jul 31st, 2007 08:50:23 PM
lighting? every single aspect of these films, as I mentioned, is better than any Seagal film. not sure why you chose lighting...
Jeet Kun Do will outrank it by Doc_Strange	Jul 31st, 2007 09:06:48 PM
Jeet Kun Do is the essence of fighting. Stripping away at the nonessentials and finding the truth.
I didn't even know by CherryValance	Jul 31st, 2007 09:19:37 PM
I had a man card. It sucks that I have to immediately turn it in. sigh I actually own Ronin but that's because it has real men it. Did you ever notice that when Damon does a Boston accent his voice gets really high? I thought he must be trying to emulate his mom. Probably not the only time he does that. I'm sure he'll be really manly and actory in Ultimatum though.
Damn I love these movies by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	Jul 31st, 2007 09:38:20 PM
Yack knows what I'm talking about. I am more than pleased to read all the positive views on this third film. Hurry up Friday! And the extras on Hot Fuzz, were, indeed, great. Hilarious stuff. Sorry I missed it in the theater, but a damn funny film. It really made me smile today. Paddy made me laugh, although it was hard not remembering Dead Man's Shoes every time he came on screen. Now that (Dead Man's Shoes) was a strong/solid film and Paddy's performance was AWESOME. That early diner/pool hall scene gave me chills. Same with the rifle/axe scene out at the shack. Mmm mmmmm. Good film that one. Back on topic. Bourne and Damon rule me. I don't see all the disdain for Damon, but I know everyone has their preferences. I think he's perfect though. Just perfect. Strong and silent works for me. I loathe quippy heroes. That's why CR worked for me. Craig wasn't dropping puns ad nauseum. If I had to choose between Bond and Bourne? Well, Bourne is tightness personified and this third flick sounds as if the soul still burns. I'll find out Friday. Thanks for reading.
Better than the Archos: by Dataset	Jul 31st, 2007 10:05:23 PM
Zen Vision W. Divx, MP3's, photos... screw iPoops. The 16x9 screen's as big as a pack of smokes (100's) and it has av out so I can plug it into TV's in hotel rooms and watch me some movies! I've had an archos. It's cool too, but as far as picture quality, Zen Vision W pwns it all the way.
Ronin by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	Jul 31st, 2007 10:21:27 PM
Just watched that again for the umpteenth time last week. Excellent film.
RE: BringingSexyBack...... by jojo-pimp	Jul 31st, 2007 11:05:01 PM
yeah...but seriously..who takes the time to kidnap and torture, rather than just kill? thats always been the problems with the Bond movies...they even make fun of that in the Austin Powers movies..that the villians always talk to much or torture for no damn reason, enabling the good guy to escape!
I have been waiting for this review. by LoneGun	Jul 31st, 2007 11:28:52 PM
So glad to hear that you liked THE BOURNE ULTIMATUM. I've been dying to see it all summer long, and you've only whet my appetite further. I knew that Paul Greengrass would come through again. He's definitely one of the most exciting directors in the world right now.
shaky cam by slkboxrman	Jul 31st, 2007 11:39:04 PM
people that dont like shaky-cam are anal-retentive-i-wanna-see-eve ry-detail-lame -asses.... to everyone else it rocks !!! feels like ur in the action instead of just watching it...its the wave of the future.... get used to it.. that is all
Shakey cam bothered me a lot in the last one by Razorback	Aug 1st, 2007 12:24:44 AM
Though, I still thought it was an excellent movie. However, it did not live up to the first. If this one has less of that, then I am going to be in for a major lovefest.
Supremacy way better on small screen... by Thoreau	Aug 1st, 2007 02:52:21 AM
I watched Supremacy again on the small screen, and it was much better... I agree with whoever said that it was like they edited on a small screen, loved it, then watched it on a big screen and it was sickening... anyway, if you were made sick by Supremacy go back and watch it again on DVD. That said, Bourne Identity is still a far superior movie, more cleanly directed, a better character arc, more humor...
Newest Trailer Rocks Face by LittleDudes	Aug 1st, 2007 02:58:48 AM
http://tinyurl.com/26x39z
Great Review Mori by RobFromBackEast	Aug 1st, 2007 04:23:26 AM
Loved the first one, liked the second one (overuse of handheld bothered me somewhat) but I am confident that Greengrass will blow this fucker outta the water.
Damon works better as a weasel by barnaby jones	Aug 1st, 2007 04:27:37 AM
Like his character in the Ocean's movies. As August is upon us, Rush Hour 3 is looking like a better prospect.
I think it's time for a double helping of Bourne by FILMFUNK	Aug 1st, 2007 04:31:25 AM
On DVD before the third installement. I absolutely jizzed over the Bourne Identity! the whole can't remember my past but can kick your ass super spy Vs Spy Biro fights and building escapes without the need for any fucking CG or Bluescreen made The Bond movies look like Spazzy kids films. Soooo disapointed with Bourne Supremacy, not because it was a bad film but because I couldn't tell what kind of film it was under all that Puke Inducing camera Thrashing! More than willing to give it another go on DVD if it makes it more watchable and am eager to see why this Greengrass dude comes in for such high praise and fingers and toes crossed he delivers a bit more than what looked like from the trailer the same again.
Bourne would be muuuuuch better if Rated-R by Motoko Kusanagi	Aug 1st, 2007 05:41:11 AM
Fact. I hate those sissy PG-13 action crap.
Rush Hour 3? by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	Aug 1st, 2007 07:07:44 AM
Get out of here with that crap!
barnaby jones missed his medication! by just pillow talk	Aug 1st, 2007 07:33:08 AM
I kid, I kid! Seriously, you're looking forward to Rush Hour 3? Motoko, while I love the Bourne movies and Casino Royale, I completely agree that all would in fact have been at a different level with a good 'ol R rating.
Identity vs Supremacy by The Devilled Backscribe	Aug 1st, 2007 07:36:13 AM
The first flick was so clearly superior on every single level it isn't even debatable. Greengrass better have learnt his lesson this time around. I don't get the hype: United 93 aside Liman's demonstrably a better director.
I am very excited... by Internet Thug	Aug 1st, 2007 08:24:40 AM
to see the debut of the Volkswagon Toureg 2
Shaky Cams In? by Riggswolfe	Aug 1st, 2007 08:25:54 AM
Then I'm out. Identity was a great movie. Supremacy killed off the chick and had fight scenes that lacked a choreographer so they covered it up by jerking the camera around. No thanks. Steadycam was invented for a reason and this "more in the moment" shit doesn't fly with me. It's laziness. I may see it on DvD.
Good review. by noambaby	Aug 1st, 2007 08:40:04 AM
Keep the well written, concise reviews coming!
shaky cam by conbarba	Aug 1st, 2007 08:56:28 AM
wait till you see the kingdom.
SoylentMean by FoZzMaN	Aug 1st, 2007 10:08:56 AM
"although how many of the Bourne books did Ludlum actually write?" 3 - though they don't share a whole lot with the film. Erik Van Lustbader continued the series (and badly). Finishing "The Bourne Legacy" now, not in the same league as the Ludlum books. Not even close.
Rush Hour 3? by tk 421	Aug 1st, 2007 10:41:15 AM
Jesus christ, what type of statement was that? Rush Hour 3 looks like a better prospect? Dude, what the hell are you taking because, seriously, I want some.
Damon is one of the best actors in film today by abcdefz7	Aug 1st, 2007 11:16:33 AM
...he's just too subtle for some folks, I think. They don't see "ACTING!!!" so it looks like "he's not doing anything." Same way people missed it when Brando was giving a great performance later on (DON JUAN de MARCO) or get fooled when someone's just waving wildly to the Academy (SCENT OF A WOMAN, etc.). In the Bourne movies, one moment that just kills me is the look of recognition Bourne gets when the officers wake him from sleeping on the bench in the park at night. One man prods him with a nightstick, and Bounre's hand leaps out to defensively grab it. The look on Jason's face tells you the hand knew what it was doing waaaaaayyy before he did, and there's some power or ability there -- it's coming back, it's coming back: some training... -- and then he dispatches them like girl scouts, professionally, but still amazed at what he can do. About the only acting "tell" is a blink and a flick of the eye, and the whole mini-drama plays out. Great work, and an entirely different being than Will Hunting, Tom Ripley, Linus whatsit, the COURAGE UNDER FIRE junkie, etc. Damon disappears; he's great at what he's done so far.
abcdefz7 by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	Aug 1st, 2007 12:03:11 PM
Damn straight.
Paul Rudd said it best by Quin the Eskimo	Aug 1st, 2007 03:39:23 PM
I used to think Damon was a real Streisand, but in this one he rocks the shit.
Excuse me while I vomit by cyclo	Aug 2nd, 2007 12:46:52 AM
Matt Damon is a good actor, but if Matt Damon is the new thing in action movies, action movies are in serious trouble. Just my opinion.
Why Prague, Moriarty? by Arch Nemesis	Aug 2nd, 2007 08:25:55 AM
It's a beautiful city, just curious why you're travelling there.
Supremacy > Identity by Saluki	Aug 2nd, 2007 12:17:48 PM
Watching the first entry just bores me to tears now. Supremacy cut out all of the protectiveness and cut down on the flashbacks, just unleashing Bourne on the film. Far more watchable and worthwhile.
Bourne by NudeandAroused	Aug 2nd, 2007 06:36:11 PM
Correcvt me if I am wrong, but wasn't Ludlum writing essentially about himself? Ludlum was a spook and Bourn e is basically made of stories that Ludlum himself experienced.
shuttlepod_10 by kwisatzhaderach	Aug 3rd, 2007 04:52:12 AM
yeah right
What about Moby? by BillyTheFish	Aug 3rd, 2007 11:09:43 AM
Does the movie play out to Moby's 'Extreme Ways' like the other two? This song is forever linked to Bourne now, be a shame if they left it out of the final flick...
Bond vs. Bourne by micturatingbenjamin	Aug 3rd, 2007 11:21:24 AM
Fuck, man, read a Bond novel...they're pulpy, not-serious, and over the top. It's like someone decided to make a Mack Bolan movie, and people thought it was good enough for a sequel. Bond is the inferior character, AND novel.
This movie RULES! But I hope it's the last one... by all	Aug 3rd, 2007 03:58:04 PM
Nearly makes up for spidey, pirates and tranformerites. PLEASE LET THIS SERIES END ON THIS NOTE!!!
Bourne is not close to Bond by HornOrSilk	Aug 3rd, 2007 04:10:47 PM
I think 10 years from now people will say "Jason who?" while Bond will still be a figure for new and exciting movies. Now that they got Bourne out of the way, can someone do a real good, solid version of The Destroyer series? IMO, especially with modern filming techniques, this series could top them all...
Just got back from seeing it. Fantastic. SPOILER. by Cotton McKnight	Aug 3rd, 2007 05:56:41 PM
Loved every minute of it. Interesting how the end of the Bourne Supremecy was featured in the third act of the movie. That was kind of a twist.
Shaky CAM toned down?!? ARE YOU KIDDING ME??? by RubenDaniel	Aug 3rd, 2007 06:24:10 PM
The guy used so much SHAKY cam that even when there was just calm dialogue the cam was still shaking.
I fell asleep by 7movies4plays	Aug 3rd, 2007 06:51:09 PM
Well I usually wait until Saturday Morning for the $4 dollar show. But I spent the extra 2.75 Stupid me. Well I look forward to the movie. Changed my seat to avoid the talkers behind me. Then well the black lines on the screen for over five minutes. I had to wait until the CIA guys came on screen to get rid of the print scratches. Then well it was like Bond on crack, kill this one let that one go. The reporter scene, damm well it was interesting for a few seconds then it got monotonous. Never have people talk on cellphones should be in screenwriter class 101. Second why didn't he sleep with the cute blond. Third best part of the movie was the fight scene. I wish he would have never went to NY, that part sucked. Fifth the ending sucked too never have the main character, the protagonist off screen. God almighty and the newspaper guys at rotten tomatoes gave this film 93 percent approval. Who are these guys?
Shaky Cam by lutermanji	Aug 3rd, 2007 07:37:49 PM
I agree with everyone who said the shaky cam was waaaaay overdone and sucked ass... but the movie was good and I'm a fan of the series, just wanted some better camerawork
7movies4plays... by Cotton McKnight	Aug 3rd, 2007 08:39:53 PM
"second why didn't he sleep with the cute blond". Are you serious?
BillytheFish by Playhouse	Aug 4th, 2007 03:31:59 AM
Yes, it does.
Fiar From Ultimate ULTIMATUM by Roboteer	Aug 4th, 2007 09:36:24 AM
I'm laying here on a dirty linoleum floor in 3 day old underwear with a half empty bottle of Johnny Walker Red while scribbling this with a crayon on post-it notes.... Oh wait! I forgot this was supposed to IMPRESS you. Oh well, the Pantheon of the On-line Written Review will just have to wait I guess. As far as ULTI-BOURNE, it WAS a fitting finale because it was the weakest of the series and just another retelling of the same old story. An overall sense of been there, done that, don't need to do it again. Not that it shouldn't have been made. If the first was an A, the second an A-, this was at least a B- based almost solely on the action, because there was little else. And even that was like a superb fireworks show that runs about ten minutes too long. There has to be some respite in between another, ho hum, here we go again chase. This wasn't exactly a series that cried out for answers, and nothing new came out of what I guess passed for a poor man's Wolverine origin. Plus it just left the realm of any believability in order to one-up previous stunts. There was this feeling of imperviousness that leaves the audience totally uninvolved in the character and outcome. If they revealed at the end of this version that Bourne was a super powered robot, would it have made any difference? There were also some impossible plot points (getting into the Director's office for one). And why does his gal pal always change her appearence while he pretty much just looks down to go unnoticed? Think I'll sell all my facial recognition stock. And as much as the camera work and staging has been drooled over, I thought it far inferior to the previous films where you could actually follow the fights and chase scenes weren't an incomprehensible blur. Anyone who got through the ultracloseup shakycam first few minutes w/o urpsing, deserves a pack of raisinettes. If half the movie had been like that, it would have been impossible to watch. One thing critics love is when movies veer off the expected HW track. This clearly did that with the reporter and Stiles' Nicky (who BTW, makes Alba's Sue look like Ilsa Lund. If only after dyeing and cutting her hair, she raised up from the sink as the real Franka Potente. Sigh. They must continually regret not having her duck in time. But I digress.) In slashing and burning left and right, B3 further dehumanized itself. Which may make for an interesting statement, but neither a profound nor entertaining one. I guess Bourne's final reveal (not spoiling much) was like this movie itself, deep inside he's a heartless fighting machine that generates little sympathy or humanity. He, and we, were better off not knowing. Bottom line, no need to wait for the 3 disk set, stick with the still incomparable first two.
Just saw it... by chi3fhog	Aug 4th, 2007 06:29:57 PM
and was thoroughly entertained. Nice little stripped-down action flick. I grew up on NYPD Blue, so years of shakey cam have hardened my stomach.
Fucking great! by WONKABAR	Aug 4th, 2007 07:51:04 PM
Fuck you Matt, make more! Goddamn that movie was fucking cool!
I HATE SHAKEYCAM!!! by Token	Aug 4th, 2007 11:46:55 PM
Despite what you say, Moriarity, my wife and I could hardly stand the amount of 'shakycam' in this movie. In future we will simply WALK OUT and demand a refund when we see enough of it that it becomes annoying. Maybe some people don't have a big problem with it [although I think plenty do] and if so fine...enjoy it. But I am getting SICK of fancy-dancy camera technique that actually gets in the way of my enjoying a movie, and I'm not going to sit still for it anymore.
They should have cast Damon as Plissken by stamper	Aug 5th, 2007 02:44:42 AM
If the remakers of EFNY had any brain, they would cast Matt Damon as Plissken, and get Greengrass to direct. Now, that's a remake I would pay to see !
knowthyself and that blonde thing by 7movies4plays	Aug 5th, 2007 06:34:37 AM
Well, the 93 percent rating got me know thyself. I mean when the critics agree you would hope that the movie is like Toy Story. That blonde thing. Well she was cute and she was going to be alone for a while. And, well If you are going to imitate Bond and not have Carlos the Jackal in play, like the book. It would have been a better movie in pacing. Instead it was like Crank, and Crank had lots of sex. Secondly, it would fit the pattern of the books and the theme of looking for love in all the wrong places of the first movie and book.
Just saw this last night.... by BetaRayBill07	Aug 5th, 2007 12:30:26 PM
1)Could Julia Stiles have looked more yummy?? Damn. 2)Great friggin' flick- along with LOTR best trilogy ever- no fucking argument. 3)Ok he has his identity to an extent- but still, why did he choose what he chose (you know, told Al Finney ok fine I'll do it!)? Fourth movie necessary- set it 5-10 years down the road after he's settled into a "normal life" Again, fucking awesome stuff!!
Shaky cam was out of control in this movie by YackBacker	Aug 5th, 2007 12:31:36 PM
I despise it, I really do. As for the movie itself, I never got into it. I liked the first two BOURNE flicks, I found them to be entertaining and easily accessible as escapist romps. But ULTIMATUM was flat and emotionally dead for me. CASINO ROYALE owns this movie 100 different ways from Tuesday. Sorry, Mori, but Greengrass should have paid attention to Campbell, not the other way around.
HeWhoCannotBeNamed and captboulder by YackBacker	Aug 5th, 2007 12:39:59 PM
First, to HeWhoCannotBeNamed-- We've both been looking forward to this movie for a while, so I'll expand on my underwhelmed reaction to ULTIMATUM here. I don't think it was a "bad" movie, but I was not truly thrilled by anything that happened. The shakycam really did take all the tension out of the hand-to-hand combat, because I was spending more time trying to discenr who was who and who was doing what than having the chance to enjoy the action for what it was. And the "master conspiracy" was not really that big a deal in the end. So, some bureaucrats overstepped their bounds and made killing machines. Ok. But WHY? And to kill what specific people? We never get that information. That kind of keeps things stuck in the theoretical realm all too much. Now, captboulder-- you're 100% on the money re: Timothy Dalton. A good Bond- and TLD is one of my favorite Bonds ever. LTK was good too, but I never liked Wayne Newton's inexplicable presence in that movie. Bless your heart!
I agree re: stupid critics. by scrumdiddly	Aug 5th, 2007 04:28:30 PM
Is it just me, or do all those positive reviews sound like plants? There's nothing in this movie except some barely watchable fight scenes. Nothing whatsoever. And every damn shot looked like it was filmed at maximum zoom from a mile away. Oh, what's this guy doing? He's reading a piece of paper! Camera vibrator on! FUCK OFF with that hack rubbish! And Yackbacker, yeah, I found myself thinking "that was a cool fight scene. I think. If he did what I thought I saw him do in those two frames." The whole thing pissed me off no end.
I should clarify - without shakycam it's not that bad by scrumdiddly	Aug 5th, 2007 04:33:16 PM
But it's definitely the weakest of the three, by far. The whole focus of the series has become the fight scenes. There's nothing else there... Not that there's anything particularly wrong with that, it's just that the shakycam ruined the fight scenes.
Bourne and Damon by WayOutWest	Aug 5th, 2007 08:28:04 PM
I liked all 3 - Ludlum came up with a great premise. But those of you who think Damon is a great actor are delusional. The character has amnesia - when Damon plays Bourne as confused, it's not really Acting - it's just Matt trying to cope with a Forrest Gumpian IQ in our complex world - think Matt Damon in Team America. Secondly, shaky cam suck - not sure about the seizures, but I like to see what's going on. Sorry, kind of a stickler in that area - otherwise why go see the movie - I could save money just reading reviews that give too much of the plot away. Question: given the box office bonanza, if Damon sticks to his guns and refuses to do any more Bourne's, do they hire someone else - and who?
Shakycam by WoodyStiffer	Aug 5th, 2007 09:56:53 PM
Just got back from seeing it. Like all the Bourne films, the story and pacing was great. The acting was phenomenal. HOWEVER - Paul Greengrass should have that shaky cam shoved far up his ass. It's a shame that Doug Liman didn't direct 2 and 3 as well. His direction was superb. In IDENTITY, you could actually SEE the fight scenes and car chases. Greengrass should be forced to watch Identity on a 24 hour loop until he understands how to properly shoot a fight scene as well as a car chase.
More on Shakycam by WoodyStiffer	Aug 5th, 2007 10:00:17 PM
The shakycam is the reason that I still often rewatch Identity and don't rewatch Supremacy. Identity's fight sequences were beautifully choreographed and are a pleasure to watch. I guess I'm just old fashioned, but I LIKE TO SEE WHAT THE FUCK IS HAPPENING!
bourne series by Lt. Kaffee	Aug 6th, 2007 01:13:29 AM
i love this series. the first one was great but greengrass literaly stole the thunder in this trilogy. supremacy had such a sense of intense urgency that had me on the edge of my seat the entire time. the car chase at the end is literally hands down the most intense car chase i've ever seen. as to damon's acting in the series. he's the man. when bourne escapes the cops in supremacy by jumping around under the bridge and catching that train. just look at his face. the exhaustion... the look of, "holy shit what did i just pull off" coupled with his desperation to find the truth about marie's death. that and everytime bourne is forced to kill a man. whether it was the last treadstone guy in supremacy or the asset in ultimatum. he hates himself for having to kill and being amazing at it. when he chokes that guy to death in ultimatum it makes it all real. the audience i watched with was shocked. what would normally be a clap worthy moment in an action film, felt sad and tragic. for as cool as all the action is, the kill was real. it felt depressing despite the hero actually winning. that's what this entire series is. fucking slap in the face action matched couple with damon's ability to look thoroughly out of his depth about his actions and his life. nuff said.
Gotta disagree on a major point by PullMyFinger	Aug 6th, 2007 07:56:13 AM
"David Strathairn shows up as a class-A megaprick, more lethal and slimy than Brian Cox in the second film or Chris Cooper in the first one." I liked the movie, but it had problems, and this was a big one. The main opponent for Bourne was a total yutz, much less clever than Cox or Coopers' characters. I would have loved to see a more daunting opponent, as well as somebody who recognized that Bourne, by what he accomplished in the first and second film, had seemingly risen above the other Black Ops assassins of the world.
dumb question by PVIII	Aug 6th, 2007 08:43:31 AM
was the audience supposed to pick up on a previous relationship between Damon and Stiles? Also, great, great movie. Personally, I like shaky-cam when done well, and since I've been watching BSG for the last 3 years, I've seen examples of this done well (Rymer) and done poorly (most of the other directors). Finally, the shaky-cam makes sense in some respects in this type of movie, especially with the large crowd scenes that Greengrass likes to employ-- since he couldn't get them closed-off, shaky-cam really made me feel like I was right there. And the bathroom fight scene was just wicked.
unreleased Bourne trailer by Time Duncan	Aug 6th, 2007 02:45:36 PM
A friend of mine sent me this rough cut of the original trailer that makes The Bourne Ultimatum seem like a very different movie. I can see why they didn't use it. Check it out here: http://tinyurl.com/28yxbg
I LOVE PAUL GREENGRASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! by DirkD13"	Aug 6th, 2007 03:53:56 PM
This was far and away the most exciting and brilliant American action film since Face/Off. Shaky-cam? So-fucking-what? The film is shot from Bourne's perspective. We get these tiny, almost imperceptible flashes of what Bourne is seeing (cctv cameras, people, vehicles etc) that completely let us in to how Bourne is feeling and how, ultimately, to feel as an audience, whilst helping to subliminally plant geographical seeds in the audiences mind, an essential component of any successful action set-piece. Do you seriously think that Bourne looks at something he needs to take note of for more time than is necessary as deemed by his brutal training? The dialog is somewhat richer than your run-of-the-mill Hollywood thriller, and the acting, as ever, was superb but not showboaty. This is easily the best threequel since Last Crusade.
Timeline by drastic83	Aug 6th, 2007 05:10:40 PM
"It starts six weeks after the end of SUPREMACY," No, no it doesn't. You watch movies for a living and you didn't catch that the majority took place BEFORE the end of Supremacy? Where do I send my resume?
I'm Going to direct by WoodyStiffer	Aug 6th, 2007 08:13:36 PM
I think Paul Greengrass has shown me how to direct an action sequence. I'm going to have my hero face four guys. I'll have drank 10 Red Bulls and will spastically flop around with the camera for two minutes creating that Paul Greengrass "I can't see what's happening"-type of tension. Then I'll end with a shot of all four villains on the ground. The audience won't know what happened, or how they got there, but watching epileptic camera work will make them feel "in the moment," or perhaps will send them to the bathroom to yak.
best movie spy series. by palewook	Aug 7th, 2007 10:46:19 AM
bourne > bond. but there are only going to be 3 bourne movies, anymore and it will ruin the franchise. bond wins over the long haul. but damned was bourne fun to watch for 3 movies.
sorry.. by dengreg31	Aug 7th, 2007 01:33:29 PM
but if you didn't like this film I don't know what you are looking for... Fantastic finish to the trilogy.. Greg www.denvertvguy.com
Bond >>>>> Bourne by YackBacker	Aug 7th, 2007 08:29:22 PM
Sorry, you kids need to be spanked. What the hell is in the Kool Aid nowadays? Sheesh!
I had motion sickness by Melis	Aug 12th, 2007 02:04:51 PM
Loved the movie, but I would have loved even more to know what the hell was happening during certain sequences. That camera action got to be a little much. BTW, if I wanted to be "in the moment" like some TBers apparently do, I'd fucking join a covert government agency.
All this talk of Bond..... by Harleigh Quinn	Sep 1st, 2007 01:16:40 AM
Has anyone saying Bond is soooo much better and attempting to turn Jason Bourne into Bond by trying to suggest Clive Owen (killed off in the first movie, the Professor...) actually read a bond book? Bond was modeled after the writer and his own OSS exploits. He was blonde, with a scar down one side of his face. He was a gentleman in the way that he wouldn't strike a woman if he didn't feel it necessary at that time...... His lips held a position only possibly described as what could have been a sneer.... Is that the James Bond you all are talking about? THAT'S James Bond. Until Pierce Brosnen, the best Bond was Dalton. He played it as the character was written IN THE BOOKS, even if he was given shitty scripts. Before Dalton, Lazonberry was the best one. Sean Connery? He was a virtual UNKNOWN when he was cast as Bond, as well as a second choice. The first was an american actor: Cary Grant. He was in his 40s or 50s and he said there was no way he was doing action scenes at his age. He made the smart choice. I will include Brosnen due to four scenes split between two different movies: His non-chalant flinch when the bullets hit too close to his face in Goldeneye, barely even fazed, the negotiation with the banker in The World is Not Enough, the dive through the tunnels, guns blazing, in The World is not Enough, and the immediate assasination of Elektra when she would not supply the code, right in front of M, basically showing her the hard choices he has to make some times as Elektra was a love interest, and sometimes he just had to be as cold as Carlos the Jackal. M would never question his actions again after that. Then there was Daniel Craig.... Finally Bond was blonde, AS HE WAS WRITTEN. He also finally became a cold, ruthless, pointed weapon. Granted, he is more stylized than Bourne, as Bourne is an assassin first and a spy second, while Bond is a spy first and an assassin second. I am 1) Very tired of the comparison of Bourne and Bond as both have been filmed as nothing near the book characters, though in this case the movie helped the Bourne character while they have, until now, HURT the Bond character. 2) The misconception that Bond is a suave, womanizing, gadget wielding gentleman. He is nothing of the sort. He is written as cold and brutal. A hard man, as the brits would call him, and in that respect Craig did him more than a little amount of justice.

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