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Quint Vs. Rob Zombie! Place your bets!!!

Quint Vs. Rob Zombie? by TheManWithTooManyNames	Jul 26th, 2007 04:44:32 AM
I'm placing my money on Quint. His review of Transformers was spot on.
Oops, it was Vern's TINO review I was talking about! by TheManWithTooManyNames	Jul 26th, 2007 04:47:36 AM

Quint Vs. Rob Zombie? Gentlemen, start your trolling! by TheManWithTooManyNames	Jul 26th, 2007 04:50:50 AM

Should have slammed him more for the shitty script by Steve Rogers	Jul 26th, 2007 04:52:07 AM
Bit soft-balled really. But I get why it had to be that way.
He might not have read the review... by Boba Fat	Jul 26th, 2007 05:03:01 AM
or have any problem with you Quint but he sure liked to talk over you. As for young kids going for the remake over an original, that's this films audience whatever Mr Zombies intentions.
stopped reading after the twat by Lost Prophet	Jul 26th, 2007 05:09:41 AM
said that there was no reason why psychos are psychos. If that is the case then why give him a backstory? cunt.
QUINT WINS HANDS DOWN! by longevitymonk	Jul 26th, 2007 05:14:45 AM
Yeah right he never read your article about the script! Me, and several others I might add, wholeheartedly believe that you Quint are the biggest reason for all the panic and script rewrites haunting Zombies Halloween. He doesn't know what the hell he's doing, he's going to fuck it up and Quint was the one who poignantly pointed out to all us geeks just how Zombie was going to fuck this up. Kudos to you Quint for always keeping it real. You're even willing to face Zombie after inspiring volumes of hate filled geeky talkback. That's what I love about this site. You can call Zombie an assclown or damn Micheal Bay to hell and they still desperatly want your press converage. Brilliant! Oh, yeah and Zombie's a feeb.
And what was the point? by JackPumpkinhead	Jul 26th, 2007 05:16:32 AM
It was predictable that an "interview" will end up with kissing (though not necessarily butt-kissing), making up and "no offense, none taken, blablabla!"... And it did. Now, let me guess... positive reviews will start coming in soon?
FEEB: by longevitymonk	Jul 26th, 2007 05:19:40 AM
An assclown, which practices assclownery at an exponential level , when compared to a regular assclown. This is an assclown whose own stupidity can actually change the Earth's gravitational pull.
Decent interview, Quint by Franklin T Marmoset	Jul 26th, 2007 06:24:31 AM
The only worrying thing is Zombie doesn't seem too articulate about why he liked the original. "There were a lot of elements to it…" - doesn't exactly fill you with confidence about the amount of thought he's put into remaking it. Still, I liked The Devil's Rejects quite a bit, so that's keeping my hopes up for this new Rob Zombie's John Carpenter's Halloween. And, like someone said above, the original will always be there. Also, I refuse to believe Zombie can tarnish the series' reputation any more than the sequels already have. Surely this remake can't be any worse than 4, 5, 6, or that one where Busta Rhymes had a kung fu fight with Michael Myers.
Someday Zombie will be a good filmmaker by IndustryKiller!	Jul 26th, 2007 06:38:26 AM
Once he reigns himself in. He's too messy, and I don't mean in his style, more in his scripts and where his films go. There is a lack of flow. Devils Rejects was very cool in some parts and then just devolved into cheap exploitation in others. Zombie himself says it's about a sheriff chasing these outlaws. Which would be true if it didn't stray to needless scenes or moments made simply to shock every 5 minutes. Filmmaking was for the most part solid though. The Halloween remake is unfortunately a terrible idea I expect nothing from, but whenever Zombie decides to use his talents for the forces of good (figuratively speaking) we should get some pretty cool flicks.
So, Rob didn't hear about Quint's script review??? by ODM	Jul 26th, 2007 06:40:42 AM
BULLSHIT
I kept hearing a slurping sound while reading this by lost.rules	Jul 26th, 2007 07:05:22 AM
interview. What was that?
Include the scene.. by nolan bautista	Jul 26th, 2007 07:06:39 AM
..where P.J.Soles is getting fucked under the sheets and im there..Zombie can just use the same footage from 1978.. just splice it in there somehow..
The film might suck, but he does have good answers. by brokentusk	Jul 26th, 2007 07:09:04 AM
He seems intelligent enough, I still don't understand why it was NECESSARY to remake the film though, even if there are elements that can be expanded upon.
It's necessary because there's money to be made by Franklin T Marmoset	Jul 26th, 2007 07:24:28 AM
I know that's an ugly answer, but that's the truth of it. Halloween is a recognisable brand name (ugh), and in this ever-more consumer focussed world, brand recongition is king (ugh again). The marketing people run things, unfortunately. Now, I'm off to wash my hands after typing those nasty marketing phrases. I feel all dirty, and not in a good way.
"somebody stole his bicycle when he was 12 years old... by rev_skarekroe	Jul 26th, 2007 07:59:38 AM
...and now he’s a killer!" I want to see THAT movie.
WTF Quint?!?!?!?!? by Sigmar25	Jul 26th, 2007 08:09:08 AM
You dissapoint me dude... you either forgot all your questions or got fucking star-struck... "Right on Zombie..", "awesome", "Malcom was a good choice". Jesus man... Let's say he never read your review, well, there goes your chance... fuck... high-school shit...
Pussy by rev_skarekroe	Jul 26th, 2007 08:15:00 AM
If I'd written this review I'd totally have been like "You suck Rob Zombie why did you explain Michael Myers" and he'd be all like "I didn't explain him I just..." and then I'd be like "Fuck you Rob Zombie, your movie sucks" and then I would have body slammed him and shit. Because you see I'm a nerd who doesn't understand what it's like to interact with real human beings.
Still neutral by dr sauch	Jul 26th, 2007 08:35:32 AM
I think that Quint was amicable (sp?), but that he talked acted a little more agressive in the "before and after" parts than the actual interview. As for the movie itself, I don't hate remakes for the sake of hating remakes. I think they can be pretty good (Zombie brings up Scarface and Cape Fear, and he is 100% correct about those). Re-making a mocie does not in any way cheapen or ruin the original. That movie is still the same movie, and no one likes the original less because of a shitty re-make. That said, I've never liked a movie which has been broadly trashed on this site. A good re-make should stand on its own, and be good without the nastolgia of the first version helping it. This movie just sounds hollow, and releaseing it in August is just lame. I'll prob catch this one on DVD, unless the reviews are overwhelmingly good from friends.
Quint loves him some ass by DigitalDong	Jul 26th, 2007 08:58:05 AM
Really what a rim job.
At least the original review wasn't viscous by ron2112	Jul 26th, 2007 09:07:55 AM
I hate a thick, gelatinous review. I don't mind a vicious review, just keep it nice and fluid.
You should never reveal a villains backstory! by FILMFUNK	Jul 26th, 2007 09:15:09 AM
Darth Vader was aparently a Moonheaded, skippy little twit. and Hanibal Lector liked Samurai swords!?
Straight Time and Hardcore by Stuntcock Mike	Jul 26th, 2007 09:15:56 AM
He's on the right track.
How many people have flocked to see "Captivity"? by CreasyBear	Jul 26th, 2007 09:35:29 AM
Same number or fewer will see Zombie's Halloween.
Interrupting... by jackalcack	Jul 26th, 2007 09:44:27 AM
It seems like with every question Quint can't even finish a sentence before that vaginal douche cuts him off with his answer. Fucking narcissistic prick.
It's a good explanation for why by CherryValance	Jul 26th, 2007 10:11:50 AM
someone would remake a movie, especially one that they love. That always confuses me. I mean if you think there is something wrong with a movie but you see the potential it had and want to improve upon that, that makes sense. But I never really got the reason why people remake movies that they already think are great. So that was pretty interesting. Good interview, Quint.
Quint to Rob... by Sigmar25	Jul 26th, 2007 10:21:46 AM
"You are a very pretty man"
Cue Zombie's sycophants mumbling about Busta Rhymes... by Stalin vs Predator	Jul 26th, 2007 10:36:14 AM
Or did they start already? After all that's the one "argument" they've been using for a year. Because that's the one thing that they can say. Of course it's dumb, pointless and invalid, and that's why it goes well with Zombie and his "films"
"Yeah,that’s sort of like,yeah that’s sort of something by Stalin vs Predator	Jul 26th, 2007 10:39:03 AM
What an articulate and intelligent gentleman "Zombie" is!
Dear Mr. Zombie by TheBloop	Jul 26th, 2007 10:42:39 AM
Can you please remake "Swim Fan" next. I know what you are thinking, it is so close to perfect already. But if you could throw in a teenage rape scene and give your wife the title role, were are talking AFI top 100 of all time folks.
Too many unanswered questions by CarmillaVonDoom	Jul 26th, 2007 10:43:42 AM
Say what you want about phoenixmagi, but almost ALL of those questions should have been asked...especially release date, talking Michael (hadn't heard THAT one yet), and for a little levity...should have thrown in a comment about the legendary TAKE A SHIT MASK!
RETARDS.... by TheTerminator	Jul 26th, 2007 11:01:01 AM
Yes, we'd all love to see Quint tearing Zombie a new asshole in the interview. However, what you RETARDS don't understand is that, if the staff on this website starts treating the 'stars' like shit publicly, then NO ONE WILL WANT TO BE INTERVIEWED and you'll have your own pathetic selves to entertain each other. So, yes, Quint HAD to kiss Zombie's ass a little because, well, when you get down to it, this IS a LEGITIMATE news website for movies. I do think Quint could have called out on the LIE that he hadn't read Quint's previous review, but what are you gonna do.
Seriously Quint by emptystan	Jul 26th, 2007 11:15:37 AM
I like your interviews and reviews, even if I don't always agree, but where were the HARD QUESTIONS? Far too many softballs there. And there's no "why" he's a psycho? But there's just a string of random bad things he does as a kid before killing his sister. So he's just bad but we have to sit through more than just the murder of his sister to know he's bad? I can see giving Loomis more of an arc, I'll conceed that. But I just don't care what Michael would be like if he was real. He's not. He's the boogeyman. The Shape. If you treat him like he's real then then you've got to limit him, he can't just show up somewhere, or do something of inhuman strength, or take 5 bullets in the torso and runaway. Now, let's have a real "VS." next time and get some reviews of this thing.
Finally! by Jak0lantern01	Jul 26th, 2007 11:23:22 AM
I work one day a week in a vid store, and have been proclaiming that The Devil's Rejects is NOT horror, but a western. Great to hear that perspective from the creator's mouth, I can sleep well again. :)
Who´s this "Rob Zombie"? by Wilclas	Jul 26th, 2007 11:30:16 AM
?
A lot of you guys don't get what Quint was doing there. by TORTURE PWN1	Jul 26th, 2007 11:34:39 AM
With every seemingly "asskissing" comment, Quint was giving that egotistical shit-ball zombie JUST enough rope to hang himself. And hang himself, he most certainly did. Well played Quint, well played.(insert golf clap here)
rob zombie vs. Ewe Boll by TORTURE PWN1	Jul 26th, 2007 11:36:26 AM
I'd buy THAT for a dollar!
Once again I have to point out by Jak0lantern01	Jul 26th, 2007 11:45:58 AM
to people who feel they can do a better job than Rob Zombie, go to it. I want to see the end-all, be-all movie from director TORTURE PWN1. I'm sure it will be a stylized, full blown assault on the senses that will make all of Hollywood ask, "We can do no better, why should we go on?"
"ME? I've never read anything on AICN! Seriously!" by JackKennedy	Jul 26th, 2007 12:26:40 PM
Boy all those denials sure were fervent, Rob. Me think thou doest protest too much!
Whatever, Quint's a tits-hatter by Daddylonghead	Jul 26th, 2007 12:39:56 PM
Zombie is a talentless drama-queen douchebag, pretty much a distillation of everything that's wrong with Hollywood. Quint, you know he's full of shit. You know it! So why let him off easy? You missed out on a fun opportunity; Rob always gets bitchy like a little girl when an interviewer doesn't pander to him: http://tinyurl.com/35dsrq
Tits-Hatter-In-The-Closet! by TORTURE PWN1	Jul 26th, 2007 01:04:41 PM
What kind of asshole hack makes 2 barely Full Moon level movies, yet thinks his remake will be as valid as DePalma's SCARFACE or Scorcese's CAPE FEAR or that anything that could come out of that mongloid head of his is worth mentioning in the same conversation as anything written by Paul Schrader? rob zombie, that's who. He's EXACTLY that kind of asshole.
Quint vs Zombie place your bets... by Kraken	Jul 26th, 2007 01:16:31 PM
Come on people, it's a joke from the old Freddy vs Jason trailers.
softballing by Quint	Jul 26th, 2007 01:31:54 PM
I had a choice before I started this conversation. I could have been a dickhead from the beginning or I could have tried to get at the heart of why he chose this road. I made my feelings perfectly clear. It might not have been a viscous attack, but I think it's unfair to say I softballed the interview. I told him it was unfair to ask me as a viewing to disassociate the original and he backtracked, contradicted his previous statement. The "gotta take a shit mask" was never a big part of the movie. I said that in my review of the script. It's an off-hand line from Loomis and after the controversy I'd assume it didn't make the final cut. I thought it was a problem in the script but it's not the real reason why I had issues. We still disagree about the character of Michael Myers and how he's handling it. I do agree I should have brought up the release date and the reshoots. I'm kicking myself now for not doing so, but it just didn't occur to me until after the fact. I was more concerned about getting to the core of his views on the character of Michael Myers.
You know, I am sorry the Shit Mask wasn't mentioned. by Daddylonghead	Jul 26th, 2007 01:44:35 PM
Regardless of it being central to the movie or not, it would have been gratifying to see some shit-mask related Q & A. Then you could have posted an audio clip of Rob Rombie saying the words "shit mask" and all of his fanboys could use it as a ring tone.
Rom Zombie by BrightEyes	Jul 26th, 2007 01:46:24 PM
is better than you, Halloween is gonna be great!
My name is Donald Pleasance by fish tacos	Jul 26th, 2007 01:48:32 PM
and I am funky. Bring me a sodapop and a Caramello
The reshoots have already been addressed by Zombie by Jak0lantern01	Jul 26th, 2007 01:58:37 PM
Nothing new added for the most part, just extensions of certain scenes for better closure and certain continuity issues were addressed. Nothing wrong with that. Unless, of course, we look back to Halloween II, where some people may not only love the fact a six-shooter fired seven shots, but also the idea that a mass murder is being reported all over the local news channels and the sheriff has no clue about the events. No radio communication?
Rom Zombie? Is that like Rob Zombie + Mit Romney? by Daddylonghead	Jul 26th, 2007 02:01:49 PM
I prefer "Rob Rombie" because it sounds retarded, like Rob is.
The Devils Rejects blew. by fish tacos	Jul 26th, 2007 02:07:13 PM
I thought 1000 Corpses was a much more interesting film. Rejects was full of flaws, and forcing the audience to care about the killers- especially by contrasting them with the crazed cop- didn't work for me at all. The 'freebird' ending was just bad. Demystifying Myers is lame. The aspect of Michael Myers that I thought was the most intriguing was that he is not a normal man, he is 'the shape', motivated by some unknown evil. It seems Zombie's Halloween kind of ruins it and makes Myers out to be just a psycho killer instead of 'the shape'.
Rejects Rocked by Jak0lantern01	Jul 26th, 2007 02:13:57 PM
It was nice walking out of the theatre and feeling enthusiastic about the movie I just dropped $10 on, vs. that bloated Lucas endeavor that was out earlier in the summer. Did you really care about the killers? They got what they had coming, and there was no two ways about it. Of course, it wouldn't be the first time a movie villain has been romanticized, especially in a Western context.
Quint, please... "viscous" isn't the same as "vicious" by GrantChastain	Jul 26th, 2007 02:14:39 PM
I wasn't going to say anything when I noticed it in the article, but then you repeated the mistake in your TB posting. "Viscous" has to do with a thick, brackish liquid. "Vicious", in this context, refers to a state of ruthlessness.
Quint by emptystan	Jul 26th, 2007 02:15:43 PM
Thanks for posting that response, softballing was a bit harsher than I meant, just tired of all the pandering I see all over the net. Now that I read the interview again you did more than I think others might have, but it was not the throw down I would expect from a "VS." being put in the title. Very misleading. I would have loved to see him squirm a bit more, especially about those reshoots and the release date. And action figures. Com'on, he's got to have something to say about his name on the Myers action figure. Yes, Rob, what is your response to that?
The problem with TBers is this... by GrantChastain	Jul 26th, 2007 02:18:29 PM
...there are no shades of gray with the majority of you people. Either something is "awesome" or "it sucks", and most people who post believe something fervently occupies one category or the other. Of course, even in saying this I'm myself painting with a broad brush, but empirical evidence seems to suggest this attitude is more prevalent than not. Have a care -- somebody reading this might actually think you're NOT full of shit, and have your half-baked opinions influence whether to see something. And it's tragic that somebody's moviegoing choices might be influenced in some small way by TB trolls.
Daddylonghead by Brainodo	Jul 26th, 2007 02:19:07 PM
"Rob always gets bitchy like a little girl when an interviewer doesn't pander to him: http://tinyurl.com/35dsrq" You might see that as being bitchy to an interviewer that's not pandering. I see it as being entirely patient with a massively unfunny dickhead until tiring of it and wandering away.
August Release by Fatty Magee	Jul 26th, 2007 02:19:31 PM
Probably done so the DVD comes out around Halloween, no?
Quint - for your Peter Fonda interview by Lando Griffin	Jul 26th, 2007 02:19:56 PM
ask if he needed the Ghost Rider money that bad?
Should've asked why during the "reshoot" period did the by TORTURE PWN1	Jul 26th, 2007 02:22:20 PM
rape scene mysteriously disappear if the Weinsteins were letting him add MORE. I'm sure it's because it's because test audiences didn't go for it, but it'd be nice to hear him talk his way out of it after trying to make it sound like no editing took place. The revoval of that scene is why Trejo's death had to be reshot.
Jak0lantern01 by fish tacos	Jul 26th, 2007 02:27:03 PM
No I didn't. And the film was too obvious about its glorification of the rejects. I didn't feel that they got what was coming to them. I wasn't cool with how they went out. The final scene was not intended to satisfy us that they got what was coming to them at all. They went out like heroic rebels in a courageous last ditch kamikaze, romanticized in long slo-mo shots set to 'Freebird'.
Dude, they went out in a blaze of glory by Jak0lantern01	Jul 26th, 2007 02:34:35 PM
'Nuff said, it was the perfect ending. What would you have preferred, the sheriff stalking them and taking them out one by one? Duhr.
Jak0lantern01 by fish tacos	Jul 26th, 2007 02:53:57 PM
Exactly, that was my problem. But honestly, I don't know how else you would end that film. Definitely not the sheriff getting his vengeance, that would have sucked. I guess that's the crux of what Zombie was going for with the film- forcing you to identify with the plight of the rejects... like he was exploring the question: just how monstrous can I make the protagonists and not lose the audience? Or maybe he didn't give a shit about the audience. It was just going to be a film glorifying the rejects and the depths of their butchery and sadism, blurring the lines of good and evil by making the law out to be an almost equally vicious opposing force. Ah well, something like that... I'm sure this concept and analysis of The Devil's Rejects has been discussed much better than I could.
This movie isn't made for the original fans... by SpongeBobs Pina Colada	Jul 26th, 2007 03:01:25 PM
It's made for the newer fans (kids, teens) who many of you will be arguing with when they tell you how better this film is over the original. Get your boxing gloves ready!
What if Cthulhu was just a guy whose dad drank a lot? by bobbyjoe	Jul 26th, 2007 03:18:34 PM
"I did a lot of research as if “what if Michael Myers was a real person? What would he be?”" ...And, once again, ladies and gentlemen, may we present the state of the modern horror movie in the first decade of the 21st century.
You're a fuckin psycho by Daddylonghead	Jul 26th, 2007 04:26:24 PM
so shut up.
I don't know if the purpose was to identify with the by Jak0lantern01	Jul 26th, 2007 04:28:15 PM
Rejects, but what I think you saw was a film where the antagonists are both the focus of the movie and have a strong characterization. If that characterization makes you identify with them, it's your take on the whole thing. As much as I like that movie, I can't identify with them at all. The fact that Zombie was able to characterize his villains so well is a statement in filmmaking. And the intended victims weren't just thow-away teenagers, either. I prefer Zombie's technique over the generic torture porn, "I wanna be the next Freddy or Jason" types. The villains were monstrous, yet had an aire of cool about them.
I loved Sherriff Wydell by BrightEyes	Jul 26th, 2007 05:07:09 PM
he kicked the shit out of those assholes, they killed dwight in part one and I never forgave them for that
Memories of Murder by McClane_Corleone	Jul 26th, 2007 05:10:51 PM
I think you're wrong. I think Rob Zombie did sort of cop-out with Devils Rejects. The way I saw it, it started out as a horror movie with the "rejects" as the baddies, but then the movie sort of gets turned on its head and the rejects become the victims with the sheriff as the psycho killer. I think Rejects ultimately failed because Zombie didn't take that theme far enough.
But as I've said before by McClane_Corleone	Jul 26th, 2007 05:11:36 PM
You can't exactly expect subtlety from somebody whos name is Rob Zombie.
Who is Michael Myers? by McClane_Corleone	Jul 26th, 2007 05:13:59 PM
The answer to Mr. Zombies question is revealed at the end of Halloween Laurie: "He was the Boogie-Man..." Dr. Loomis: "Yes, he was."
Why does Quint keep telling us... by NapoleonDynamite	Jul 26th, 2007 05:27:59 PM
"...that he "disagrees" with Zombie's take on the character? Who gives a shit what Quint disgrees with. Who fucking asked him? Where did he ever get the idea that Rob Zombie would find his input useful or valuable? I certainly don't. In a script review, I just want a summary of what happens. I don't need the reviewer's masturbatory discourse on what he would do differently, especially when said reviewer has never made a movie in his life. Plus it sounds like the script went over his head anyway. From what RZ was saying, the childhood scenes are not intended to explain "why" Meyers is a psycho. They are intended to be the basis of LOOMIS' arc. Loomis keeps trying to find the "why" and it isn't there. He goes from being idealistic and naively believing he can reach the kid, to slowly realizing that he's just a souless, psycho fuck who needs to be shot in the head like a rabid dog. That does NOT compromise Carpenter's character. It still gives Michael tthe same mystique and inexplicability. he still has a flat arc. he doesn't change, only Loomis changes. Get it now? Just because the script has scenes with MM as a child does not mean it's trying to explain him. Maybe the script reviews around here should be done by somebody with a little more facility at literary comprehension. Oh....and I liked DEVIL'S REJECTS but comparing it to a Paul Schraeder film? Give me a break.
Kitten Fight! by TVguy4566	Jul 26th, 2007 05:30:19 PM
Quint I understand you probably shouldn't be an ass when interviewing a director no matter if it Zombie or Speilberg, but you really backtracked on the whole thing. Why not ask him if he is so interested in the mind of a regular psychopath, why did he not write his own original story rather than basically betray the vision that Carpenter decided to show of the "Boogeyman" which was such a large piece of your review? Why didn't you ask why Zombie decided to Hillbillize his movie where it seems way out of tone of the original piece? Why didn't you ask why he made Michael so obsessed with masks (almost comically so) when the mask in the original was only used as a prop to make Michael a faceless killer? Why didn't you ask him why he decided to go for the gore rather than suspense of the original? All we got was a lot of "people blew my reviews out of proportion", "some fans might feel...", and "I really loved the Devil's Rejects".
Don't you dare rip-off 'Hardcore'... by Alonzo Mosely	Jul 26th, 2007 05:39:18 PM
That has been my plan for years, as soon as I can get the time to do it...
If Quint had asked those questions by CherryValance	Jul 26th, 2007 05:51:51 PM
he would have hung up. Be realistic. You can't just go after someone like that and expect to come out with something resembling an interview.
I can't decide who was sweating more by reflecto	Jul 26th, 2007 06:04:53 PM
Zombie to come out and claim he never read the review, when we all remember his flying monkeys soaring over here to pounce on it when it was released, or Quint for wimping out in this conversation. I agree with those who say Zombie has always said he likes "elements" of the original but then, quietly, in interviews people don't talk about, disses the original's plot and structure by saying it was stupid to have just the concept of the Shape, stupid to focus on other characters, etc. I think all Zombie likes about Halloween is the classic status and some of the scenes but thinks he can do everything better.
Oh and I also love Straight Time by reflecto	Jul 26th, 2007 06:08:52 PM
but hate Rob Zombie.
Zombie loves movies.... by Quake II	Jul 26th, 2007 06:10:52 PM
And that's refreshing these days as many directors turn out the product that is expected of them. Assembly line filmmaking. Tarantino and Zombie divide people like crazy on these boards and I say good for them. Rejects proved to me that Zombie has potential to make a great film someday. Compare Rejects (Zombie's second movie) to Kevin Smith's fifth movie. Even Robert Rodriguez didn't get it right until Sin City (his 7th film?). Worlds apart. He just needs to slow it down a bit (editing/pacing) and work on character development.
he definitely mentioned you by name quint by slappy jones	Jul 26th, 2007 06:15:30 PM
I can't remember what site it was on but I read it and he definitely was complaining about you and your review........weird that he chickened out when it came to crunch time. I hope halloween is great...fucking love zombies films so far.....
CherryValance by TVguy4566	Jul 26th, 2007 06:23:03 PM
You can ask any question to a person without getting them to hang up if you word it correctly. Just people say he should have asked certain questions doesn't mean he should have asked it in the same confrontational manner. It's not the question in interviews, it is how it is asked. Besides, Zombie is an in your face type of director, he might have respected an interviewer in his face.
Quake II by TVguy4566	Jul 26th, 2007 06:36:50 PM
I disagree with you about Robert Rodriguez. I have enjoyed many of his movies. El Mariachi was incredible for a movie done on a shoestring budget. I thought Desperado was very good although just a bigger budget rehash of El Mariachi. Spy Kids was a surprisingly entertaining movie. I thought From Dusk til Dawn was pretty good until the last 30 minutes. I think the biggest difference between Sin City and his some of his previous work was the budget,quality of actors, and the source material. Many of Rodreiguez's early films were an attempt to make big time action movies on an independent's budget.
Enough already! by wtfgrey	Jul 27th, 2007 01:17:34 AM
Seriously, I think anyone that's read this site for more than a day know's that Quint's got some issues with Zombie's script. That's all good and fine- that's Quint's right. But it's really starting to grate on me that every time Quint posts something about Halloween, he must ALWAYS say how he dislikes the script. We got the point in January, man.
Mike Myers? by thxMike	Jul 27th, 2007 03:36:23 AM
is this the canadian guy from goldenmember?
Zombie is a complete douche by grendel69	Jul 27th, 2007 08:37:44 AM
What a fucking retard.
Peter Fucking Fonda... by cornponious	Jul 27th, 2007 10:04:19 AM
He said, "I know what it's like to be dead."
wtfgrey by TVguy4566	Jul 27th, 2007 10:37:34 AM
Too bad, Zombie doesn't know that. All he knows is that Quint's review was blown out of proportion and that Quint is going into the movie with an open mind. Aparently, Quint can tell the world other than Zombie himself that he had issues with the Halloween script. He did say that some Halloween fans might have problems with certain aspects, but apparently he didn't have the balls to admit he was one of them.
Napoeleon Dynamate, you stupid fucking dildo.... by TheTerminator	Jul 27th, 2007 10:38:50 AM
YOU SAID: "From what RZ was saying, the childhood scenes are not intended to explain "why" Meyers is a psycho. They are intended to be the basis of LOOMIS' arc. Loomis keeps trying to find the "why" and it isn't there." You are an idiot. Did you forget that Zombie is COMPLETELY changing the parameters of the entire story? In the original, Michael comes from a NORMAL family. No stripper mom, no abusive father, no shitty house, etc. In this one, all of that stuff is true here. If what you're saying is true, then why the fuck didn't Zombie just use the original family? Why did he have to make they all hippie fucking redneck? EXACTLY, idiot. Because, Zombie is trying to say that his living situation was a CONTRIBUTING FACTOR in WHY he became what he became. Otherwise, Zombie would have just left the living situation the same. And, for you to say that none of this 'compromises Carpenter's original' makes you sound like a total fucking retard. You sir, are a dumbass and should be banned from all future talkbacks.
Actually you are wrong. by TVguy4566	Jul 27th, 2007 11:42:18 AM
Actually you are wrong. Here is what Zombie said in the interview about Michael's childhood: "I did a lot of research as if “what if Michael Myers was a real person? What would he be?” You know, he would be basically a psychopath, a textbook psychopath, and there really is no “why” for a psychopath. That’s what I found fascinating. They don’t have a situation that turns them into that. They’re basically born that way. So really the young Michael stuff is not why he is like that, because there is nothing… it’s not like “Oh, he had a bad childhood, so he became bad,” because that’s not the case. He could’ve had a wonderful childhood or a bad childhood. You could have a wonderful childhood and become psychotic. You could have a horrible childhood and become a saint. That doesn’t make sense, so that wasn’t the approach. It was just seeing him, the mystery of him unravel and yet he still remains a mystery. I mean as much as we see of him through his life, it doesn’t explain any reason why he became what he became what he became and I thought that’s what was kind of fascinating. Everyone’s like “oh, there’s going to be a ‘why.’ This happened… somebody stole his bicycle when he was 12 years old and now he’s a killer!” You know, there’s none of that shit in the movie." So Zombie made Michael's family fucked up rednecks because Zombie likes to include fucked up rednecks in all his movies, not because his experiences shaped him.
Ask Peter Fonda by Daddylonghead	Jul 27th, 2007 12:10:20 PM
if he really had to stare down Charles Bronson for the finale of "Once Upon a Time In the West" and if so, whether he still has Chuck's dead green eyes burning into his soul, whether he sees them in his nightmares, whether they glower out of the darkness of every unlit room he enters. Seriously, best hard-ass stare in cinema, Charles Bronson. Supernaturally hard-ass.
Zombie is a retard who's research is bogus by Bass Bastardson	Jul 27th, 2007 02:17:39 PM
There are definite and well established environmental factors that contribute to the formation of serial killers. Read Mindhunter by John Douglas, the creator of the FBI's serial killer profiling unit.
Rob Zombie movies are propped up on violence by ScamsAndFlams	Jul 27th, 2007 02:44:33 PM
and that's a bad thing. he just wants to show violence and then goes from there. don't pretend there are themes, or any kind of message about violence. just as transformers was about giant robots, rob zombie movies are about brutal, graphic violence. in my mind, that's not enough to support a film (and certainly less substantive than giant robots). there are plenty of films that have said things about violence, or dealt with aspects of violence, to compare with Zombie's garbage. this remake of halloween, no matter how he excuses it, is just a bunch of violent scenes dressed in the loose framework of a classic movie. he isn't saying shit about shit. look at that guy bleed, holy fuck!
Why didn't Quint nag us all this much when... by SpongeBobs Pina Colada	Jul 27th, 2007 03:15:15 PM
...Halloween: H20 was turned into a by-the-numbers recycled WB teen flick riding Scream's coat tales, or when Busta Rhymes and his homies showed up in Haddonfield; consequently, being turned into the ghetto with karate fights and lame one line. Both were just as shameful as anything Rob Zombie is doing here.
And you're right... by SpongeBobs Pina Colada	Jul 27th, 2007 03:21:58 PM
... Quint did pussify that interview and we all know it. It's not like he has to be rude. Just ask the questions and see what answers you get. It's not very complicated. Everyone seems to be so scared of Rob Zombie in interviews. Put me on the phone with him: I'll ask him the questions we want to know. Not too hard...
Th Halloween series has been a joke for 25 years.. by Quake II	Jul 27th, 2007 03:44:35 PM
So why not let Zombie try something new? Worst case scenario is that it sucks as bad as the last 6 Halloween films. Best case is that it's pretty cool. Either way, my investment is only a 6 dollar matinee ticket.
TVguy by TheTerminator	Jul 27th, 2007 03:55:11 PM
You are an idiot. What the fuck do you think a 'textbook psychopath' is? Why don't you look that up, then get back to me, douche.
Terminator, did you read what Zombie actually said? by NapoleonDynamite	Jul 27th, 2007 03:59:36 PM
Look at what TVguy quoted right underneath your last post. Zombie said --and I quote --"THERE IS NO 'WHY.'" He says MM remains a mystery. There is no explanation. His family is weirdo hillbillies because Zombie just LIKES weirdo hillbillies. It's part of his persona and it's a signature image for him.
Terminator by NapoleonDynamite	Jul 27th, 2007 04:06:03 PM
Your question about "textbook psychopaths" is a non-sequitur. While Zombie is technically wrong about sociopathic personalities being "born" (the evidence strongly suggests that the empathic response shuts down as a result of early trauma), he still makes it clear that his INTENTION in the film is to preserve the killer's inexplicablity and mystique by allowing the audience (viacriously through Loomis) to scrutinize Michael's childhood yet be DENIED an explanation. I think that's actually a very creative angle to take. It shows us something we didn't see in the original but it does NOT compromise the mystery of the character. It AMPLIFIES it.
Wait, Busta Rhymes was in a Halloween sequel?? by Daddylonghead	Jul 27th, 2007 04:58:43 PM
Holy shit, that news changes everything. Next you'll be telling me that John Carpenter's THE THING was a remake... then I would have no choice but to admit what a great filmmaker Rob Rombie is.
CHRIST by jebuslovesyou666	Jul 27th, 2007 06:47:27 PM
I never liked Rob Zombie's music, I like his movies, Theyr'e entertaining than 100% of the shit thats suppose to be a horror movie or action. I don't get the Zombie bashing... And the more I think about Transformers the more I think I don't like it. It really was just alittle better than the average teenage cliqued movie.
NapoleonDynamite.... by TheTerminator	Jul 27th, 2007 08:26:42 PM
By taking the character of Michael Myers, who originally lived with a normal, healthy family in the original film, and placing him with a shitbag, low class, redneck family, Zombie is ALREADY giving insight into 'WHY' Michael became what he became. Any retard could recognize that living with an abusive father and stripper mother would contribute to becoming a violent person. And, BTW, if Michael is a 'real person' as Zombie claims, then how can he take the abuse that he does? The whole premise makes absolutely no sense and isn't even remotely interesting. What's interesting is a young boy WHO LIVES WITH A NORMAL FAMILY IN A NORMAL FUCKING NEIGHBORHOOD who one day snaps and kills his sister. Oh right, they did that! IN THE ORIGINAL!!!! Some stupid kid with a little girl's haircut and a 'mean face' who kills dead animals and lives with a shitty family isn't scary or interesting in the least. Zombie is a fucking moron and anyone who defends him is a fucking MORON.
And, by the way.... by TheTerminator	Jul 27th, 2007 08:29:09 PM
The little bastard who's in the remake has absolutely nothing on the kid in the original. That 30 second scene of the kid's face when the parents pull off his mask in the original is probably creepier than that bastard kid's whole performance in all of Zombie's stupid remake.
TheTerminator by TVguy4566	Jul 27th, 2007 11:07:10 PM
I've got a better idea. Why don't you look up fucking moron in the dictionary and tell me if they have an updated picture of you or not. I posted the direct quote where Zombie clearly said that Michael's childhood had nothing to do with him being a psychopath and even if he had a perfect childhood that he would still be a psychopath. You took that as being of course his childhood has to do with him being a psychopath. In other works, fucking moron logic.
As for the Hillbilly crap in the beginning by TVguy4566	Jul 27th, 2007 11:13:34 PM
Either Zombie lied to Quint that his background had nothing to do with his make up or he just threw the white trash background in because he is obsessed with that culture. The fact that his wife can barely handle the role of hillbilly white trash tramp probably means that the only way he could give her a part is if he hillbillied at least one part of the movie. So it could be possible.
By the way.... by TVguy4566	Jul 27th, 2007 11:18:59 PM
I am not defending Zombie in any way shape or form. I just quoted him. I think this movie is going to suck balls and be as big a stain to the franchise as the stupid Busta Rhymes/Tyra Banks sequel and the god-aweful Halloween III. Perhaps you missed my post in this Talkback blasting Quint not asking if Zombie was fascinated with a typical psychopath and what makes him tick why not create his own movie rather than betray the whole point of the original.
I'm tired of all this loose talk about abusive stripper by Daddylonghead	Jul 27th, 2007 11:29:05 PM
parents. Now, my father was a dancer at the Clermont Lounge here in Atlanta, after he got fired from Swingin' Dicks, and my abusive hillbilly mom useta rape him on the regular, even up to like three years after he died, when there wasn't much left of him but a fey dad-shaped stain on the plaid couch. And then my mom would lock me in the stove and burn my pecker with the closet and whip me with soap and feed me clothes hangers, and I turned out just fine. In light of which I would really appreciate a LITTLE LESS casual stereotypical talk about how an abusive/stripper upbringing makes you a psycho. Alright? Or I'll fucking FIST YOU TO DEATH WITH A KNIFE, HOW'S THAT FUCKING SOUND???!?!??
zombie's a lying bastard... by monsterforge	Jul 28th, 2007 12:01:32 AM
...unless someone else posts for him on his Halloween Myspace page (according to him, he posts his own blogs on there-- who knows?)... because back when that review on here first came out, he went FUCKING bonkers in a blog. It was a large part of the reason I took myself off his friends' list on there. He went loonytoons and totally ballistic and then started hammering people on his blogs who agreed with Quint's review. But we can't check on any of this because-- TA-DA!!!-- he magically removed all the older blogs including the one that had his rediculous tyrade about Quint's review. But what do I know? He OBVIOUSLY has more integrity and film-making know-how than we underlings. Fucking douchebag.
Daddylonghead by monsterforge	Jul 28th, 2007 12:09:34 AM
holy. fucking. shit. dood. I almost pissed my pants laughing at that. you, sir... rule.
I would pay to see the original blog posts RZ scrubbed by reflecto	Jul 28th, 2007 01:54:07 AM
Jes sayin.
24/7 Rob Zombie Fap-Fest by monsterforge	Jul 30th, 2007 12:29:27 AM
Here's a fun site: http://tinyurl.com/36blvu It's run by Zombie's official movie site and has all kinda gay-ass Rob Zombie love stories and shit. They LOOOOOVE them some Rob Zombie there, and there's even one guy who is something of detractor to Zombie's "vision." Watch as he gets shot down daily by the legions of Zombie groupies! Thrill to the ego-stroking and pandering! Gah...

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