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First?
by An-Akin
Jul 20th, 2007
03:53:16 AM
John from....SUCKS!
Well at least he's honest
by Ribbons
Jul 20th, 2007
03:54:07 AM
Gotta admire that, I guess.
What if God were one of us?
by newc0253
Jul 20th, 2007
04:19:32 AM
hey, that would make a great song, huh?
Mastermind?
by Wogga Wogga
Jul 20th, 2007
05:26:07 AM
The show is just a random sequence of words strung together. Even a monkey could do that. Or a computer. I call shenanigans on Milch.
Not exactly inspiring comments, are they?
by Angry Mean Panda
Jul 20th, 2007
05:41:37 AM
I've never believed that a creator has to have every single detail planned out from the beginning, but having a general idea of what the fuck is going on with your own characters....that's probably useful.
The last time someone said shit like this, it was
by DanDelion
Jul 20th, 2007
05:47:24 AM
Stephen King with The Dark Tower series. Look how that turned out. (Bad, fuckwads)
Let me get this straight...
by MyManD316
Jul 20th, 2007
06:03:42 AM
All this meaningless shit we've been getting from the show week in and week out really don't have a purpose? Last episode where everyone got together for a fucking spontaneous barbecue had no reason? What the fuck?
What if it's really about....
by rosasaks
Jul 20th, 2007
06:21:25 AM
Dave from Cleveland.
Or....
by rosasaks
Jul 20th, 2007
06:30:12 AM
Mike from Oklahoma.
Maybe it's about....
by rosasaks
Jul 20th, 2007
06:31:54 AM
Pete from Pittsburgh.
I had really hoped for sci-fi, too
by MyManD316
Jul 20th, 2007
06:43:57 AM
Stupid Bible allusions. John from Cincinnati, Jesus Christ (JC? Brillient Mr. Milch!). All the talk about his father and forgiveness the last episode. Coming back from the dead. Shit, this is pissing me off because Milch took the easy road. Give me fucking aliens.
Alternatively...
by Sledge Hammer
Jul 20th, 2007
06:55:35 AM
...he may have just been JOKING. But no, let's all take his words as being purely and completely literal and 100% honest, because no one ever plays coy or takes the piss on talk shows like Ferguson's. You know, just like how everyone always gives away exactly what's going to happen on upcoming episodes of their show so that no one in the audience has to bother watching. Seriously, unless this is your first week watching television, I don't know why you'd be making such a big deal over a typical nothing tv chatshow appearance. Yeesh.
HBO: Hurry up with Preacher will ya?!
by wowsah156
Jul 20th, 2007
07:26:01 AM
Hurry up HBO. We want Preacher now!!!
some things I know, some things I don't....
by Russman
Jul 20th, 2007
07:28:08 AM
Okay, so John is some kind of messenger from God. Okay, I can dig it.
HBO: Don't bother with Preacher right now...
by Abin Sur
Jul 20th, 2007
07:39:02 AM
I want to hear me the Song of Ice and Fire!
no, Milch wasn't kidding
by eppdude
Jul 20th, 2007
08:35:56 AM
I saw the interview. When Craig asked him what the show was about, he was literally stumped.
It figures as much.
by Neo Zeed
Jul 20th, 2007
08:41:55 AM
I saw last night's Craig Ferguson as well. That Milch quote is totally indicative of JFC's episodes. Just winging it from one episode to the next. Bring on the new HBO shows!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
by ScamsAndFlams
Jul 20th, 2007
08:48:23 AM
I hope this takes some heat off the LOST guys.
Uhhh, uhhh
by tonamania
Jul 20th, 2007
08:55:45 AM
yeah. sure. Way to promote a show. piece of garbage. I wish Ed O'neal could get a gig in something decent.
oookay..but which god?
by fried samurai
Jul 20th, 2007
08:56:06 AM
The blood thirsty,gay bashing Christian god?I'd prefer it be one of the more peaceful gods like Zeus or Moloch.
Why isn't GOD alien? Or interdimensional?
by EvilWizardGlick
Jul 20th, 2007
08:58:34 AM
Why assume GOD is a religious construct?

By the very definition of supernatural being GOD is the ULTIMATE alien. we can NEVER conceive the mind of GOD. We can never comprehend the motivations of GOD.

Clarke, Arthur C not Stanley, said "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic". Creation can be TEC HNOLOGICAL.

GOD may be "Consciousness-Without-an-Obje ct".

GOD may be NON-LOCAL information.

Read up on Leary's EIGHT CIRCUIT BRAIN, which Robert Anton Wilson related to Star Trek.

John doesn't need to be about religion, but MAN tends to see religion.

Disturbing Revelation...
by Philvis
Jul 20th, 2007
09:08:29 AM
I love the show and part of that is because it keeps you guessing. You really don't know what is really going on or why, but you have an idea of it, and that keeps you coming back. Now if the creator honestly doesn't know what is going on, it makes me feel like I am being strung along. I know they don't have every episode planned out, but geez, you can't have a show with a premise like this without an idea of what is really going on. Give me a break.
Milch, go back to Yale.
by Stuntcock Mike
Jul 20th, 2007
09:24:12 AM
Maybe they can teach you to complete a thought.
You're missing the obvious answer...
by Savage Lucy
Jul 20th, 2007
09:34:32 AM
He is actually Dr. Johnny Fever from WKRP. Fever is actually a timelord and the J from C character is having a bad regeneration.
Fuck This. Bring on Preacher.
by Johnny Storm
Jul 20th, 2007
09:45:49 AM
What the fuck is HBO waiting for? Garth Ennis says they love the script and that it's an exact translation of the comic book. So WTF?
Don't wish for Preacher too quickly
by SoupDragon
Jul 20th, 2007
10:06:46 AM
HBO still need time to come to their senses and shitcan Mark Steven Johnson first.
There's no chance of JFC being renewed...............
by crackerfarmboy
Jul 20th, 2007
10:16:14 AM
It's done. Even those who would consider themselves fans have no idea what the fuck is going on. What's worse is apparantly the creator of the show has no idea what the fuck is going on. How can this show survive?
Milch is being modest
by Markk
Jul 20th, 2007
10:28:17 AM
Watch the last episode. It is a tour de force of character exposition. The hotel cookout is one of the most intricate and poetic monologues I've seen in some time. Like the show or not, it is not some haphazard amalgam of notions. Milch has a very clear idea about what he's doing. How can you watch John's dissection of Cissy and believe that David Milch doesn't know what he's doing with this show, or what it's about? How could you watch Deadwood or NYPD Blue and believe that he is incompetent or incoherent? I didn't see the Ferguson interview, but I suspect he was simply disinclined to sermonize on the metaphysics that underpin John From Cincinnati (i.e. Jesus F Christ) to someone who had decided to play dumb about it. Craig is a witty guy, but also a postmodern smartass who is impervious to anything that deliberately strives for the numinous. The point is that the show is not hard to parse, so if you claim not to understand its premise or intent, you are probably being disingenuous. Also, Milch may want viewers to make up their own minds about what's happening. Clearly, he has some strong opinions about free will. It's not a perfect show, obviously. But as a parable about redemption and mercy, it has one or two useful thoughts to share, I think. If I were Milch, I wouldn't care to explain that theme explicitly either. It just invites mockery by people who are uncomfortable with such things.
Other than the Wire HBO also has
by Larry of Arabia
Jul 20th, 2007
10:29:59 AM
Flight of the Conchords. It's not for everyone, but it's damn funny if your on it's wavelength. Big Love is far from great, but it is a decent diversion. And then there is that sex show they are developing...
At least he admits it (JJ Abrams I'm looking at you)
by Yeti
Jul 20th, 2007
10:43:59 AM
Honesty is becomming a lost art
what a boring show.
by Boomers_Lips
Jul 20th, 2007
10:52:17 AM
i saw one of the episodes last night during HBO's 3rd marathon and i found it awfully boring.
DO wish for Preacher
by JackKennedy
Jul 20th, 2007
10:53:41 AM
Mark Steven Johnson is actually a pretty good screenwriter. The Daredevil script was excellent. As long as Ennis is involved I have faith. Even a mediocre Preacher is better than anything new that HBO is doing now...
Why am I not fucking surprised?
by Al Swearengen
Jul 20th, 2007
10:57:59 AM
Lest he wants to get fucking fleeced, a man's got to know his full fucking purpose.
The power of words like "might", "could", and "maybe".
by GreatCzarsGhost
Jul 20th, 2007
11:12:59 AM
That's a great quote from Milch and is 100% truth all because of the work "might". This is the cornerstone of JFC. There might be something profound happening here. It could be the most important show in the history of Television or maybe even God is speaking to us all through JFC. Ah shit, it's probably just a bunch of Hollywood people having a good laugh at all us yahoos trying to figure out the crap they put on the screen. Either way, I'm watching and enjoying the ride.
BBQ, no meaning? What?
by bobkayakbob
Jul 20th, 2007
11:40:06 AM
Look up Hebrews 9 11 14. It's all about redemption. The figure that john keeps drawing with his foot, the trinity. To think that Milch don't know what the show is about is far fetched.
I want to know
by imageburn13
Jul 20th, 2007
11:59:41 AM
what its about too! Really, I watched last weeks ep and was totally clusterfu**ed. I can understand that the bbq was character exposition (markk) but it is really hard to digest if you havent been following from the beginning. I kept thinking, 'Well, whatever fans they had up to now, they've lost those too'. And the fact that HBO is advertising "All three previous episaodes back to back to back" is a desperate attempt to catch people up before they completely lose the audience.
Someone explain Family pic and window exchange.
by EvilWizardGlick
Jul 20th, 2007
12:29:15 PM
I couldn't understand the family shot from the BBQ. You had the Yosts, including Butchie and Tina, in the rear. Dead guy in the middle. And Butchie Kai in front. Why was Butchie twice? And how is the dead guy involved with the Yosts?

I didn't get John and Linc exchanging spots in the window reflection.

Who was the new guy with the dorag? Who was Aliman (sp?)

I loved the Tina (pornstar) Shawn ( Risen from the dead) lunch of Tuna on Wonderbread. So Ozzie and Harriet/Leave it to Beaver.

John is definitely NOT for the anti-intellectual crowd, for that matter Deadwood wasn't either.

Last episode was almost Shakespearean.

Bailey Salinger and Jennifer Love Hewitt...
by rosasaks
Jul 20th, 2007
01:00:28 PM
Do the Ickey shuffle at the WKRP.
I agree, I think he's being modest...
by RedJester
Jul 20th, 2007
01:27:54 PM
or he really doesn't feel like explaining it to Craig, or he knows that explaining it to Craig would totally ruin what the shows built up so far, or he really doesn't have any clue whatsoever what he's doing... God I hope it's not the latter.
John isn't Jesus.
by loafmeat
Jul 20th, 2007
01:41:25 PM
He is the herald. Shawnie is Jesus.
David M. what an A-hole
by jbs0209
Jul 20th, 2007
01:42:56 PM
I just finished watching Deadwood episode 1 with the commentary by David
What an A-hole. I have never had a commentary rub me so wrong.
Not Logan's Run & the costume designer (stupid & silly), or Scorpion King & The Rock taking a cell phone call from his Mom (funny).
This guy was just an annoying jerk. Really took something of the wonder away from Deadwood.
John is the Usher
by jbs0209
Jul 20th, 2007
01:44:10 PM
Shawnie is the Omega
Am I stuck in some kind of time warp here?
by Filmrage
Jul 20th, 2007
01:47:37 PM
I live in Korea so i download tv stuff on torrents and I saw Milch talking to Fergusson about month ago. Is this a report on that episode? Was it repeated last night or something? The last Episode of J From C was beyond Lynchian and without the atmospheric flare but the scene with John at the kitchen window was pretty funny. I'm an orphan so i can only imagine but how messed up would a boy be if his mom jacked him off when he was 13? Splains a lot about Butchie.
See God Kai
by loafmeat
Jul 20th, 2007
01:48:53 PM
as the camera freeze frames a shot of Shawnie skating.
Just saw the interview. Milch is trying to be funny
by RedJester
Jul 20th, 2007
02:26:43 PM
I just saw the interview. Milch is merely trying to be funny and entertaining, nothing more nothing less. He didn't literally mean he has no idea where the shows headed or what it's about. If anything he just meant that his writing has allowed JFC to be much more interpretive and less "in your face, spell it out for you, hold your hand throughout the show" as were his prior ventures.
And if saw last weeks episode and still hate the show,
by RedJester
Jul 20th, 2007
02:33:22 PM
you're an idiot. That episode was great.
I can't believe this show would actually get renewed
by _Maltheus_
Jul 20th, 2007
02:43:54 PM
It's not like I'm not trying. Deadwood was incredible and HBO shows tend to take some investment before they pay off, but I can only see this one getting worse. I was sort of enjoying things up until the last episode. I'm not even sure what I hated about it. I guess I don't like scenes that are happening, but not really happening. My least favorite Sopranos eps were the dream ones. I hate when they go back in time in Star Trek and reset everything. And I didn't like this barbecue that, obviously, no one will remember. If I recall, it wasn't just John who was in two places at once. The only good thing that's come from this show is the "whipping the skippy" expression. I can't imagine this show has many viewers, if they renew it whilst canceling Deadwood, Carnivale and Rome, then the shareholders should demand that the HBO board all be drug tested. No network has ever perplexed me more. It's like they have industrial saboteurs over there or something.
You're the same people who hated Carnivale...
by RedJester
Jul 20th, 2007
02:46:11 PM
Until it ended, and then you bitched that there weren't any shows like Carnivale anymore. Remember how all of you bitched at how bad and or disappointing Carnivales first season was and how it didn't deserve a second season. And then the second season came out , and it rocked harder as every episode progressed? And when it didn't get a third season, that became your swan song for everything that was wrong with HBO. Well I have news for you. This first season of JFC is better (as will be proven when the season ends) than Carnivales first season and Milch is involved, so what's stopping you from learning on past mistakes and giving this show a chance to progress??? Sigh some people will never learn.
Yale with the President?
by supermarch
Jul 20th, 2007
02:58:23 PM
wtf?

I only watched the show for some surfing. I could care less now about pretty boys Rain man shtick. I bought into this show and feel like I've been burned for it.

WHAT!
by Demosthenes2
Jul 20th, 2007
03:09:55 PM
Well at least he's honest when I'm sure people at Lost have been fudging when they say they know everything that's going on. But still... Kinda makes you less interested in the show, since I'm sure that means that everything's going to be left open-ended for interpretation. *pukes*
The last time someone said shit like this, it was
by smackfu
Jul 20th, 2007
03:11:49 PM
The Stephen King Dark Tower series? Bad? You're crazy. Sure, Song of Suzanna was a pretty weak link but overall the series was fantastic. Each book is very different from the others in plotting, theme and overall feel, and great in their own way for different reasons.
I am SICK TO FUCKING DEATH with these guys...
by ejcarter9
Jul 20th, 2007
03:18:25 PM
... who manage to make millions off of a half-assed premise. I am really, really seriously pissed off about this. How can you have ANY artistic integrity and at the same time commit money and people to a project and you don't even know what the point of the project is? Why on Earth would anyone GIVE money to someone who doesn't know the whole story?

And what pisses me off even more is that if I went to Hollywood with a script or two that I had been working on for years, put my heart and soul into it and knew every aspect of the story... beginning, middle AND FUCKING END, there's a zero percent chance it'll get bought. But someone's friend of a friend can pitch a two-sentence half-assed idea to some producer and walk away with a million-dollar check. IT'S BULLSHIT!

LONG LIVE CRAIG FERGUSON!
by IForgotAbout19
Jul 20th, 2007
03:26:38 PM
That's all
JFC = John From Cincinati or Jesus Fucking Christ?
by smackfu
Jul 20th, 2007
03:27:17 PM
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LONG LIVE CARNIVALE!
by IForgotAbout19
Jul 20th, 2007
03:28:34 PM
Wasn't it Jesus H Christ? as in Handsome? Where was he when Carnivale needed him?!
No, I loved Carnivale...
by _Maltheus_
Jul 20th, 2007
03:47:23 PM
...even more so in season 1, than in season 2. I agree that most people were hating on it back then, but it had a clear direction, even if it moved too slow for some. JFC? I'm not ready to give up on it, but there's very little story going on. I don't even care if it has a direction or not, it's just not doing a good job at keeping my interest. Most of the characters are unlikable and it doesn't have the dreamy atmosphere that the 30's dustbowl had (which was enough during the slow parts). The only thing it has going for it is that it's airing in the summer when I'm desperate for any new TV. Big Love is a much better show IMO.
C'mon now...
by Pool Shark 04
Jul 20th, 2007
04:37:48 PM
Let's give Milch the benefit of the doubt here. Unlike other writers/creators who have left us hanging in the past (I got my eye on you Chase!), he's always come through. I'll have some faith, plus he may have been fucking with us. Love the Deadwood reunion he's got going on too. Dylan Mckay, Al Bundy, and now...Zack Morris! All in the same show...beautiful! John is a prophet...
AINT IT OLD NEWS
by Chip Butty
Jul 20th, 2007
04:48:02 PM
Jesus, this particular talk show episode aired a month and a half ago. So now reruns of talk shows pass for news??? Oh, and the majority of talkbackers in this talkback are flaming imebeciles, JFC is a great, fascinating, unusual show, whether the creator knows what's going on or not!
Stop fkkin around and close up Deadwood already
by Anino
Jul 20th, 2007
05:15:36 PM
wu custah city back deadwood, one hundred fifty chung-gwo cocksuckah! Hung-dai fukkin wu.
re: AnimalStructure
by _Maltheus_
Jul 20th, 2007
05:23:47 PM
I thought that was good too, when it was true. But HBO has long since abandon that philosophy. They cancel everything that's not an instant Soprano's style hit. That's why I'm surprised by JFC. It may end up being great someday, but even if you like it, you have to understand that it'll never get an audience as big as their other shows. It seems strange that they'd throw all their support behind this one when even the creator doesn't seem all that enthused by it. For me, all the other HBO shows had a great concept. We're still trying to figure out what JFC's concept is. It's still somewhat intriguing to me, I just don't know how long that'll last.
Yes, It Was A Repeat
by ROBRAM89
Jul 20th, 2007
05:25:11 PM
I noticed that even before he came on. Rosy Perez was on before him (there's a combo for you) and I noticed it was easily a month old episode. Come on, people.
ARLISS MICHAELS>ARI GOLD
by iwontwin
Jul 20th, 2007
05:45:26 PM
Yea thats right.
He didn't know what Deadwood was about either...
by EUROPA
Jul 20th, 2007
06:01:35 PM
The second season of Deadwood fell the fuck apart...you could tell he was just winging it. I haven't watched this newest piece of shit show this ass hound has made.
Stupid Stupid people
by coop
Jul 20th, 2007
06:02:46 PM
I'll interpret for you.

1)He knows who the characters are and what they represent.

2)He knows what the show is about, (The world is coming to an end and God wants to send the world a message and help it come together before the end).

What he doesn't know is where the characters and theme will take the show. There is no arc outside of a beginning and an end.

It doesn't mean he's just writing nonsense that has no meaning or plot. It means that what happens with these characters who will have to deal with their situation is still up in the air.

JFC is cool.
by Add to Friends
Jul 20th, 2007
07:28:04 PM
And I'm just going from the clips I can catch on YouTube right now since I don't have HBO (I'm just now going thru Deadwood 3.) When the DVD comes out I'll watch the whole season and I'm sure it'll make a lot more sense. It's way cooler than those mentos-in-pepsi vids anyway (and those are SO six months ago.)
Where's the new prez is a chick feedback on 24???
by Trader Groucho 2
Jul 20th, 2007
08:17:56 PM
It's Cherry Jones, aka Linus' (Matt Damon's mom) in Oceans 12. Now to me that's perfect casting, because the president should be a smoother motherfucking liar....
Markk
by JFilm101
Jul 20th, 2007
08:19:23 PM
Good observation, esp as it regards to the pursuit of the numinous in an all ironic / cynical age. Have not seen "John" yet but based on these recent talkbacks it has become must view material. Fried Samurai: I'm assuming you don't know Sojourners -- a magazine for the leftist Christians who believe, generally speaking, in the same God that most other Christians believe in.
I don't know Butchie instead.
by Pabodie
Jul 20th, 2007
09:14:09 PM
Two Butchies (?): Avatar concept (more than one of each character, literally). Duality of the character (sweet Butchie vs. mad-ass Butchie). Butchie's life story (shown with Cissy, his first lover and Kai, his last). "Linc Stark needs to get back in the game." Linc wasn't pulled to the Snug Harbor apostles cookout. Why? Is he the temple of the money changers? (Tidbit: Luke Perry. Gospel of Luke is only book of New Testament that is explicit about a virgin birth.) Doo-rag Dude: (Allemande?) Wasn't he the guy who stabbed John? "Cass's camera is huge." Live action footage of the second coming. Shawnie will not be here much longer. This talkback is better than most shows. You guys keep writing.
Don't be silly
by MoleyRusselsWart
Jul 20th, 2007
10:53:06 PM
I like it. I couldn't care less what anyone else thinks. Acting needs much help, but the script is good and the premise is great. It's like Lost in as much as I'm along for the ride. Just don't leave me hanging, a la Carnivale.
See, now that's upsetting...
by DanielKurland
Jul 20th, 2007
11:44:28 PM
I may not understand half the stuff Lynch does, but there are times I do, and I can tell that everything he does makes perfect sense to him. That's a lot different than just being weird and obtuse for the sake of it.
SEE GOD KAI
by loafmeat
Jul 21st, 2007
01:41:32 AM
SHAWNIE YOST IS JESUS. He did raise the dead (the bird) and then was resurrected himself... I better get credit from you fuckwads when he turns out to be the second coming...
Lest not forget John was resurrected as well.
by RedJester
Jul 21st, 2007
02:34:34 AM
Maybe he is Jesus and the powers everyone else has obtained are from their interactions with him, rubbed off on them if you will. JFC= Jesus Fucking Christ??? Or he could be John the Baptist. Or no one is Jesus, who knows really? The possibilities of what this show is about are endless...
Jesus, Mary and Joseph.....
by Convert
Jul 21st, 2007
08:19:48 AM
Now I wish I had spent less time counting holes in the ceiling tiles and more time paying attention to the characters in CCD when I was a kid! If JFC is Jesus...Cass is Mary Magdalene... Bill is John the Baptist, maybe? Who are the other desciples? Joe? Butchie? Freddy? Palaka? Doc? Help me out here, people....I went to public school, for cryin' out loud!
Rise of JfC...
by REDD
Jul 21st, 2007
12:03:19 PM
John Monad (AKA Norin Radd) is actually the the Herald of Galactus, and Mitch Yost is really Reed Richards on sabatical.
About Day 5
by growltiger
Jul 21st, 2007
12:19:57 PM
Linc was at the Snug Harbor BBQ. He stood alone.

The juxtaposition of reflected images (John and then Linc were reflected in the storefront window) clue us to heavenly as opposed to earthly purposes and destiny.

The vato at the BBQ was the same man who stabbed John in the van. Simultaneous to the BBQ, John, Bill, & Vietnam Joe lay dreaming and in wait for him. Ostensibly to bring him to justice. That justice I think will be poetic.

I think we confuse Mary Magdelene with the woman who Jesus saved from the angry crowd. (This is the story about "casting the first stone.") It was never clear in the scriptures that the two are one and the same.

Anyway, for the woman who sinned role I at first conflated with Tina. After this last episode I am thinking that Cissy might be a better fit.

To continue with New Testament allusions, Cass seems more like the Samaratin woman at the well.

Mitch is a pharisee. He is narcissitic and self-involved to the point that procedures of being spritual are more vital than being spritual. His confession to Cass in the motel bed that he had to lose his family to get it back was curdling.

John from Cincinatti is brilliant. So there.
growlT
by rbrog77
Jul 21st, 2007
12:56:34 PM
Brilliant observations on an absolutely brilliand show.
growlT
by Convert
Jul 21st, 2007
01:03:15 PM
I concur. JFC is brilliant....and I guess the next book I'll be reading will be the Bible......hmph....never thought I'd be interested in those stories; but I guess although stories may change (details)...human nature remains constant through time.
Yeah it's pretty great...
by kintar0
Jul 21st, 2007
01:10:59 PM
but if you hate the show so much, why keep watching it? It's not like I hanged about in any Buffy or 24 talkbacks after I watches a few episodes and found them crappy. Get a fucking life. But I agree that Milch should do a sci-fi series.
resurrection
by loafmeat
Jul 21st, 2007
01:28:05 PM
Shawnie was spontaneously brought back from the dead, JFC was healed by the vet.
"what is your show about?" is a stupid question.
by ashhole
Jul 21st, 2007
02:03:49 PM
it got a stupid answer. plain and simple. i understand that a lot of people are confused by JfC, but to believe that milch is just throwing random words at the audience is absurd. over at hbo.com, one of the writers, steve hawk, has a full transcript of john monad's speech at the barbecue and an interesting quote about milch's storytelling philosophy. it gives all the information you need to know about what the show is "about". http://tinyurl.com/2m96jx
Remember 'Monadism'....
by theseventhshore
Jul 21st, 2007
04:24:26 PM
Yes, Milch loves the Bible. (he whips it out at writing lectures all the time). But I think it goes beyond just saying that John/Shawnie/Zippy-the-fucking bird is the Second Coming. If a Monad (John's surname) represents the smallest possible particle/expression of God/higher Consciousness/Divine-Awareness , then it's akin to a cell in God's body that's doing its job. And I think that's what John is - and he's here to wake everyone up to their true purpose as well - getting them 'back in the game'. I believe this story is about troubled folks (ie: current society) burning away old Karma and discovering their divine nature (levitating, healing, witnessing, etc) so they can awaken others (through the camera). Just a thought...but after watching the latest ep, it really resonates.
theseventhshore = word up
by Pabodie
Jul 21st, 2007
06:01:54 PM
Still, it's fun to speculate. But, "We are coming 9.11.14" I think was meant literally, if nothing else was, and Butchie "The Beast" is kind of suggestive, too, don't you think?
i like the twin peak-iness of it
by readyoufool
Jul 21st, 2007
07:36:34 PM
that's all. it's interesting. the difference between the two plots is that peaks had a murder to set the thing off and running. JFC is like a version of peaks without the initial gun shot to set the race in motion.
So where are the talkbacks for Mad Men and Burn Notice?
by Trader Groucho 2
Jul 21st, 2007
08:36:39 PM
Seriously. Mad Men feels like something HBO or Showtime would do. And there's just about nothing but love for the Bruce Campbell around here. Both shows are well-written and well-acted, and these characters just feel right for the worlds they inhabit. IOW, the tone on both shows is right.
Seventh Shore
by Trader Groucho 2
Jul 21st, 2007
08:38:35 PM
Good analysis.
Let's put it this way:
by RedJester
Jul 22nd, 2007
01:37:43 AM
If you have a low IQ, you'll probably hate this show. This is a show for smart people who, simply put, like to think, dig puzzles and don't need everything explained to them. Everyone else can go back to watching, oh I dunno, Entourage.
Smack, The Dark Tower sucked ass by the end
by DanDelion
Jul 22nd, 2007
02:18:32 AM
The first 4 books, especially 1 & 4, are fantastic, definately at the top of the list of King work. Then he fucked around, didn't really have a plan for anything, got in a car accident and worried that he would die with his life's work unfinished, and completely changed the ENTIRE concept of the storyline, so much so that he literally had to go back and rewrite the original book. It went from being one of the most unique, exciting, and original epics to something completely average, predictable, full of shit, and (I wish- if only it hadn't meant so much to me) forgettable.
Allegory or allusion
by growltiger
Jul 22nd, 2007
02:47:29 AM
It is good to ask if John from Cincinatti is biblical allegory or just biblical. I think it is fair to say that the jury is out on that point. John from Cincinatti is still unfolding.

After all, Deadwood was Shakespearean but it was not necessarily Shakespeare. There is no disrespect intended to Mr Milch here. In my opinion there is nothing wrong with using Shakespeare or the New Testament for inspiration or direction. Good stuff as muses go.
Just watched it again...
by theseventhshore
Jul 22nd, 2007
02:59:08 AM
...and did you all notice - in that 'recurrence' shot where Butchie and Kai were sitting in the foreground and you saw him again in the background - that it was the entire Yost family (featuring smiling Mitch and a meek Tina), standing as if for a group portrait. 'In Cass' camera' lies the future of the series...the clues are all there. As mentioned above, John from Cincinnati is not Twin Peaks (which I bloody ADORE) - it's not driven by a specific moment/mystery - but by RELATIONSHIPS. The story is purely about the messed up characters, and how they find their way to happiness/peace/health/love/Go d.
Indelible images from Cass' camera
by growltiger
Jul 22nd, 2007
10:42:52 AM
As John brings his soliloquy to an end he admonishes us, the assembled, that although they will not recall Cass' camera, they will not forget what they did there.

Most of the characters were present at the Snug Harbor BBQ. Though present in image although missing in fact, we have Mitch, Saunie, Tina, Cissy (the back row of that cool tableau above mentioned by theseventhshore), Bill, Aleman, & the webmaster. I wonder how their recollection of what was done there will work?

John also uggests that Bill will see Freddy much improved. I suppose there is some form of redemption in store for the Hawaiian dealer.

This is quite a road map of things to come. I think that even though Mr Milch claims he does not know what John from Cincinatti is about, he has a real good idea of where he wants to take us as he unfolds the story.
Imperial Beach today, Malibu tomorrow...
by Convert
Jul 22nd, 2007
10:48:16 AM
Bingo, 7thshore! Messed up characters...aren't we all in our own way? John is a metaphor...a mirror of the soul...and with reflection each being shall find redemption. Every character-no matter how fucked up - has a reason for being...for acting/reacting...for fear...and by doing (surfing, skating, filming, sweeping, building the court)and interacting, shall find themselves much improved...and in John's father's word, that is a lie agreed upon.
I've got my eye on John...
by Convert
Jul 22nd, 2007
11:06:20 AM
...and you're so right, growltiger, Milch knows exactly what he's doing and where he's taking us...straight to hell if we don't fix up the Snug Harbor motel!
I know that there are more than 12 of them, but
by samsquanch
Jul 22nd, 2007
01:15:32 PM
Doesn't it feel like the peripheral characters are deciples in a way? The original Christian deciples were pretty different people in their lives before they met Jesus, but walked away from everything to follow him when they heard him.
i just watched...
by buffywrestling
Jul 22nd, 2007
01:15:57 PM
five eps in a row based on the recs here and I liked them. I think...

I'm not sure if I would have liked them as much if I had to watch them one at a time; they are just that connected to each other. I also found myself bursting out into laughter then the tone would switch immediately and I would think to myself, "Oh dear, I shouldn't have laughed there; that was so sad."

I'm still going to stick around though. I like my TV like I like my men: full of mind games.

Old & busted: HBO
by Dr Hemlock
Jul 22nd, 2007
06:33:05 PM
New hotness: Showtime
Stop pissing on my leg, Milch
by Sphincterrific
Jul 22nd, 2007
06:40:11 PM
And stop telling me it's raining. This is just what we should have expected from Deadwood Guy. That show started off okay, but by the last episode it was a complete mess, due to: 1. Storylines that went nowhere. 2. Storylines, that after what seemed like forever, STILL went nowhere. 3. Dialogue that was, at times, completely unintelligible. (It's as if he had a slogan: "looping is for pussies.") 4. Entire episodes that were nothing more than grade-school exercises in iambic pentameter worship. 5. The notion that story, plot and character are nowhere near as important as a bunch of people who just talk and dress funny. Don't bother making any more Deadwoods, Milch. I won't be watching...
Freaking scary to think that
by Snowden's Secret
Jul 22nd, 2007
08:43:58 PM
none of these effers has any idea what's actually happening in their shows. Battlestar, Lost, etc. all have vague hints of some huge, overarching meaning but actually have none? This is just one more symptom of the modern art movement where the "artist" is just lazily flinging ideas against the wall with no plan whatsoever, hoping the audience will create a coherent interpretation. Style over substance: the mantra of 21st C. U.S. culture. It's sad and shows the decadence and rot which is inherent to our entire society.
deadwood is
by Halfbreedqueen
Jul 22nd, 2007
09:15:26 PM
fiercely overrated. some of the episodes are pure brilliance, and other lack any real tension or excitement. only about half the characters have depth (though the ones that do are really developed, Al is an incredibly complex and fascinating character and it's no mistake that he basically became the "main" character of the show beyond bullock.) Also, it takes about a season and a half before the real ideas Milch is trying to uncover (the idea of civilization coming together from chaos and that society is almost guaranteed to be born.) so yeah, certainly not a bad show, but very uneven and I never got the absolute love it received. a lot of times it was poorly paced, with like 5 scenes of two characters sitting in a room together talking cut together in a row. and it's really odd, cause the history of the actual city of Deadwood is so action packed and tumultuous, and only about half of that chaos really comes across in the show. the dialogue never really bothered me though it's unrealistic (not the swearing, that is very realistic, but the flowerly Shakespearean sentences that even the most drunk and dirty characters constantly utter.)
Anyone know where Bruce Greenwood went?
by Bungion Boy
Jul 22nd, 2007
10:38:24 PM
They've mentioned him but he's been gone for 2 episodes. I don't think he left. They filmed these months ago and I'm sure there would have been some word if he was leaving completely but still curious as to why he hasn't been on. I miss him.
I think Mitch...
by theseventhshore
Jul 22nd, 2007
11:19:10 PM
...is the next to get 'humanized' by John. HUMBLED and BROKEN...then put back together again...is more like it. Just ask Sissy :)
The Internet is Big
by BlackIronPrison
Jul 23rd, 2007
02:38:22 AM
It is all about the zeros and ones / circles and lines... As Milch puts it, “to survive as a species -- to be redeemed -- we need to humanize the Internet.” yostclan.com
You viewers didn't know this???
by MinasTirithII
Jul 23rd, 2007
09:08:29 AM
I really have to question the exact intelligence of some of these viewers posts. I really don't think you guys want a ride. You want an end, a conclusion, fuck the ride. Silly, dumb viewers, please, go back to watching, uh, The Simpsons on Sunday, something you might actually understand, something effortless. Once again, they want intelligent TV, and once again, they are too stupid to see smart TV. FLIGHT OF THE CONCHORDS rawks too.
Right on Snowden's Secret
by _Maltheus_
Jul 23rd, 2007
11:38:10 AM
You hit the nail right on the head. It's all about flinging ideas against the wall to see what sticks. Sometimes good does come out of it. But I'm getting tired of people calling it brilliance. I'm not certain where I stand on JFC, cause unlike what some people say about Lost, I feel the Milch shows really are about being along for the ride/dialog. If certain people here are right to map all the characters onto specific biblical figures, then that's a kids ride that I'd be looking to get off, hardly brilliance. It's just too early to tell. But for shows like Lost and BSG and quite frankly even the Sopranos finale, I think the creators are receiving accolades they simply aren't worthy of. Twists and gimmicks are only good if they truly serve the story, not if they're inserted merely for shock value. I'm happy for anybody who's enjoying them, but liking something doesn't make it quality anymore than disliking something means it sucks. Hollywood has reached a peak of creative laziness, also evidenced by the non-stop parade of crappy movie sequels that we're forced to endure.
Let the fundie begin
by fried samurai
Jul 23rd, 2007
02:32:35 PM
So what passage in the Bible was last nights episode from?
sraah connor cronicles is aviable as a preair torrent
by Mr_X
Jul 23rd, 2007
05:32:18 PM
and its a load of doggy do do. Owain Yeoman was brilliant in kitchen confidential, but him as the terminator.. wooden. and not in an arnie way. Summer Glau brilliant in firefly.. is lacklustre as another terminator.

the events are suppsoed to be after terminator 2, which would have been great if terminator 3 didnt come out. i mean.. we already know whats going to happen anyways, armagedon arrives and connor cant stop it and we know his mother dies from cancer or some such in the t3 movie.. so we know they'll survive the tv series whatever happens. lack of suspense people. lack of suspense. there's absolute rubbish on at the moment. is it worth me watching burn notice?

an open letter to all the haters
by Samwise Ganja
Jul 23rd, 2007
06:36:13 PM
so far "jfc" has been absolutely, mind-blowingly incredible... i think most people who dont like the show either a) dont have the right minds for it or b)are just haters for the sake of hating (which ALOT of tb'ers are).. anyhow, i found ths quote from milch himself on steve hawks' (writer on the show as mentioned multiple times above) nd i think it very succinctly explains what the show may (or may not) be about..

"The important point that I'm trying to make is that storytelling has nothing, whatsoever, to do with logic. Logic is a limping stepchild of the true processes of the spirit. It's an illusion. It's a defective little parlor trick. Associations are the way that we perceive. Electrical connections caused by the juxtapositions of experience. That's the way we are really built, and storytelling takes into account that truth."

Bungion Boy: Bruce Greenwood was in Day 5
by growltiger
Jul 24th, 2007
10:23:43 PM
Although he did not have any lines to deliver. He was last seen in the tableau during the Sermon at the Snug Harbor Motel (i.e., the BBQ).
fried samurai: Think biblical and not The Bible
by growltiger
Jul 24th, 2007
10:28:02 PM
I do not think the writers are necessarily patterning their stories after a particular Gospel. But I think the episodes so far have been inspired by The Bible. If you catch my meaning...
this show is incredible television
by prbt
Jul 25th, 2007
11:26:56 AM
If people don't like it, I honestly feel sorry for them.
tarot
by Pabodie
Aug 3rd, 2007
01:40:38 AM
Shawnie's juggling is really sticking in my head. Just saying.
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