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Agree by NudeandAroused	Jul 15th, 2007 08:55:18 PM
It was fabulous tonite.
2nd or 3rd by CQuest	Jul 15th, 2007 08:56:13 PM
ha
Great Episode by NudeandAroused	Jul 15th, 2007 08:56:57 PM
Last weeks was kind off odd. But man, tonight's was as deep as it could possibly get. I am still thinking about all of John's monologues. Great, great episode.
i don't get by freak2thec0re	Jul 15th, 2007 08:57:25 PM
listing all these quotes taken out of context that nobody who hasn't seen the episode could ever possibly get. and yet I still read it . . . all the way through.
FWIW, I have the Semifinal 10 for Emmy Best Drama Actor by Pennsy	Jul 15th, 2007 09:01:26 PM
Just out, from the GoldDerby LA Times forum. They are: Kyle Chandler, Friday Night Lights Patrick Dempsey, Grey's Anatomy Matthew Fox, Lost James Gandolfini, The Sopranos Michael C. Hall, Dexter Eddie Izzard, The Riches (wish that was a misprint, but it's not - WTF?) Hugh Laurie, House Denis Leary, Rescue Me James Spader, Boston Legal Kiefer Sutherland, 24 (once more, WTF with feeling) Fuck this list (I'ma talking to youse, Izzard and Sutherland). No Edward James Olmos, nobody from The Wire (but who would you classify as lead actor on that show??)
See God, freak2thec0re. by Hercules	Jul 15th, 2007 09:01:33 PM
I got my eye on YOU!
Quit boring everyone! by Megaladon	Jul 15th, 2007 09:02:23 PM
I gave this show a shot (as I loved Deadwood) but tonight it was a bore. I also hate wierd for weirdness sake. At least in the previous episodes there was a focus. I think Davis Milch will be laughing his ass off at the people trying to make something of tonights show. It was a boring mess, just like he wanted it to be.
i love this show by MoseSchrute	Jul 15th, 2007 09:08:31 PM
and i hate to sound like a dumb ass, but I still have no idea what the hell is going on
While yer here,Herc... by Pennsy	Jul 15th, 2007 09:12:46 PM
http://tinyurl.com/yrcofb is the place where I found out about the actor, drama series nominee qualifiers for Emmy award consideration.
Confused the hell out of me, but... by memento108	Jul 15th, 2007 09:13:50 PM
I still keep coming back to this show because i'm starting to become attached to some of the characters. And John finally said some coherent stuff....not in that dream sequence, but when he was talking to Cissy.
memento108 by Hercules	Jul 15th, 2007 09:20:22 PM
what makes you think the talk with Cissy wasn't a dream sequence? Was he not with Bill and Joe at the time??
I Haven't Seen This Yet by The Ender Smites Foes	Jul 15th, 2007 09:30:31 PM
But I'm guessing since most of the bitchy turkey flabia twats on this website are hating this show, it's actually pretty good. I'll have to check it out.
Open Letter to David Milch by prufrocknroll	Jul 15th, 2007 10:11:00 PM
Dear David Milch- I am a huge fan. I loved Deadwood, and I really hope those two Deadwood movies come to fruition. In the meantime, however, I have to make due with your new show, John from Cincinnati. I'm sure you've read many reviews and fan reactions that categorize your new show as "bullshit," and "incomprehensible, quasi-philisophical crap." Not to fear, though, for I have a solution. Season 1 may already be filmed and done with, but Season 2 (if there is one) can still be saved. Here's my pitch: John has the ability to travel back in time, right? So in the first episode of season 2, he just vanishes, leaving behind the Yosts, Luke Perry, Luis Guzman, and that gay lotto winner who's crazy and has no inner-monologue. And he travels to a little town called Deadwood. Bear with me, cause the drama is just getting started. After arriving in Deadwood, John from Cincinnati parrots back the words of Al Swearengen, who doesn't take kindly to mockery. Swearengen, in the heat of the moment, guts John with a hunting knife. Swearengen then turns his attention to running the old mining town. You could also conclude the season with a flashforward, in which it's revealed that the Yost's ancestors were migrant Polish workers killed in a massacre in Deadwood, resulting in their never being born. Anyway, mull it over and get back to me. Yours, Chris
Herc by alynch3	Jul 15th, 2007 10:11:35 PM
I didn't see John's monologue as a dream sequence. I believe he transported himself while unconscious to deliver his message to all these people. There's got to be some significance to the fact that we haven't seen this guy sleep at any point before then.
I have no clue what I just fucking watched.... by exie	Jul 15th, 2007 10:24:23 PM
Seriously, I think this show is too smart for me since I don't understand a fucking thing in it. While tonight was entertaining, it was akin to watching Telemundo and not speaking Spanish. I have a feeling they lost half the audience left when the incest was revealed. I'll keep watching though. I just don't know what the fuck I'm watching.
Big Love is the best show on pay cable by conniebrean1	Jul 15th, 2007 11:10:21 PM
bar none. "John From Cincinnati" is a quality show that I enjoy more and more, but to classify it as better than "Big Love" is a stretch. "Big Love" is the best cast show on television today, and has some of the best writing on HBO, which is saying something. And "Dexter" probably has "John" beat, too.
I meant the "big" dream sequence... by memento108	Jul 15th, 2007 11:15:56 PM
that involved everyone. I knew that him and Cissy was a dream sequence.
I love this show by emu47	Jul 15th, 2007 11:42:54 PM
Completely engrossing. And I'm an atheist, but I couldn't care less. This show is amazing.
that said ... by emu47	Jul 15th, 2007 11:44:02 PM
I think Flight of the Concords is my favorite show of the moment.
Hey now! Let me add ... by Hercules	Jul 15th, 2007 11:52:21 PM
... I really loved "The Devil Wears Prada," which comes right after "Conchords."
Jennifer Grey Still Hot!!!! by K3nn3th	Jul 16th, 2007 12:36:23 AM
Can't believe they got her to come out on this show. This show just jumped up to the top of my list of must watch TV.
John can astral project. by Det. John Kimble	Jul 16th, 2007 01:04:31 AM
So did any of the center part of the episode actually happen? And why would Sissy give Butchie the assist on his wanking? How far did she take it? This show is freaky and beautiful and I'm completely hooked. Butchie Yost needs to get back in the game. And it looks like Zack Morris gets back in the game next week.
Is John going to rewrite the past? by OtisSpofford	Jul 16th, 2007 01:33:31 AM
Or just show everyone what could have been in his father's word and Kass's camera? Amazing show tonight.
ZZZZZZ by iwontwin	Jul 16th, 2007 01:59:41 AM
PRETENTIOUS HBO SHITE!
Madness! MADNESS!! by TopHat	Jul 16th, 2007 03:03:33 AM
John is JESUS. Its the second coming! By and by, Herc, THE DEVIL WEARS PRADA was ass; Anne Hathaway's character became a total asshole at the end, and we're supposed to take it as something positive? Yet another flick that chicks like because it gives them excuses to treat men like shit. ...P.S. all you haters know you laughed your ass off at John's conversation with Cissy at the window! jerking off hand-motion
Trixie is back! by Evil Hobbit	Jul 16th, 2007 04:07:09 AM
And giving wet willies!
Not a Dream by kedohmen	Jul 16th, 2007 04:47:17 AM
I don't know why some think it was a dream sequence. I mean, after John's speech the people are all still at the motel and some just get in their cars and drive off, wondering why they were there. John did say that they would forget the meeting but remember what had happened there. And in previews for next weeks show Cissy, says to John, "You were right about things getting worse" -or something like that. I say, yeah he was with Bill and Joe at the time but he was passed out, and before he passed out he mentioned something about Cissy's situation. So, mentally he wasn't in the van and neither was Joe and Bill. What I don't get is all the talk of cumming in someones face? And who was the dead guy -the guy from room 24?
meh by Yeti	Jul 16th, 2007 06:22:36 AM
Normally I can't be bothered to post about a show I have no interest in - but since there are a lot of talkbalkers who do... Payback's a bitch and so am I.
Excellent!! by rbrog77	Jul 16th, 2007 07:12:51 AM
Definitely (I hope) the 2nd coming. John having dialog, such as it was, with Sissy and then at the cook out was wonderful. That "speech" was almost biblical. Hard to understand but full of meaning. Can't wait to dissect. Little currious that Mitch wasn't in this. The 1 guy on a higher plane (supposedly) misses out on the entire episode. Maybe Mitch really didn't need enlightenment.
Ole Idiot Gravy Leg by Loc_darkbane	Jul 16th, 2007 07:34:35 AM
Lets be adult about this? Are you happy you got type in Nigger online? Make ya feel all giddy inside. That was reaaaaal adult of you. Yeah no blacks go to this site......and theres no blacks in movies there all just whites in black face.....oh and there are no black geeks either.......Yeah no blacks like sci-fi or aaaaaaanything related on this site. You keep believing that uh Ole Grav---wait......what vernacular would you prefer I use being I am black.....uh DAWG. Get real man........or adult even. This show is AWESOME.....I passed on it the first four episodes but caught up on there three episode recap night. Hope its popularity picks up.
Big Love? by NudeandAroused	Jul 16th, 2007 07:44:12 AM
Is ok, but not nearly the best.
uh yeah... by elkylos	Jul 16th, 2007 08:42:45 AM
I'm going to have to watch that episode again... and I'm not entirely sure if that's a good or bad thing. While I do what to like this show, it ain't easy.
This show is getting old....real fast by SantiagoAtez	Jul 16th, 2007 08:48:40 AM
I enjoyed it through the episode where they the kid made the miracle recovery. Now it's episode 6, and the show is just going on and on and on. If there's a direction, I seriously don't see it. I'm not a big action fan either, so this isn't a case of ADD...but the show seems like a random mix of scenes with ok dialog.
Best episode yet, revelations and prophecy! by EvilWizardGlick	Jul 16th, 2007 09:35:52 AM
This episode was a real wonder. John in ( Eli? John the Baptist? John the Revelator?)mode. Yes it ALL really happened on the psychic plane. All secrets were revealed and bonds made and the future hinted at. I think John is gathering his twelve, including Link. Link as Judas? Mitch as Judas? Cassie as the head bringer? This wasn't strange for strangeness sake it was full blown Nostrodamus revelatory and biblically prophetic, where each character becomes more strongly defined and bonded with their brethren. Where there are no secrets.
Loc_darkbane Nigger by EvilWizardGlick	Jul 16th, 2007 09:38:04 AM
Nigger, Nigger, Nigger, Nigger, Nigger. It's just a fucking word . Get over it. Now you can sing rap lyrics without all the goofy white liberal guilt.
Where is my tutorial? by Philvis	Jul 16th, 2007 09:43:43 AM
I love the show and really liked this episode, but the John dream sequence or whatever it was went beyond me. I just couldn't keep up. Hopefully it will be explained a little further so I am not completely in the dark. Can't wait for next week. I wish On Demand would put the next week's episode up on Monday nights like with The Wire dammit.
Two questions by gboybama	Jul 16th, 2007 10:23:35 AM
Where did this "Monad" surname come from? If it was alluded to in the show, I must have missed it. If it is really from the show, I'm assuming it's as meaningless as the Cincinatti reference to "John's" origin. (which was only just a random suggestion by Butchie) Also, weren't there supposed to be vampires in this show? Anyway, HBO better re-up this one. It's the only way I'll (partially) forgive them for cancelling Carnivale.
LOL!!? WTF EvilWizardGlick? by Loc_darkbane	Jul 16th, 2007 10:35:51 AM
At what point did I say I was even offended by the word personally? LOL! This is the internet man, I have gotten used to racial comments in forums. You have the freedom to say what you would be terrified to say in public....ok I got ya. 5 times Woohooo!!!...Congrats. My point was that he inferred it was more adult to be racially insensitive, which I dont agree with. To which you responded in a even MORE immature way, I guess attempting to upset me...whatever dude. AND you assumed I listen to rap....LOL! Actually I am prefer Coldplay, Avenged Sevenfold, Linkin Park and Velvet Revolver. I know, I know lol not everybody's favorite but I dig em......none of which are rap, my good man. Either way we both seem to really like this show, which is really all that matters.
"I know lol not everybody's favorite" by gboybama	Jul 16th, 2007 10:42:24 AM
My brain boggles. Not sure you could come up with a list more targeted to the average.
I Love This Show by offput	Jul 16th, 2007 11:35:38 AM
This show makes so little sense and yet every week I'm more excited to see it. I don't even care if there's closure or explanation, I'm just enjoying the extremely bizarre and surreal ride.
Darkbane, you forgot a few bands... by Abin Sur	Jul 16th, 2007 01:41:51 PM
Don't forget Limp Bizkit and John Mayer.
EvilWizardGlick by BangoSkank	Jul 16th, 2007 02:31:46 PM
What the fuck? Sure it's just a word, but do you have to be such a huge asshole about it?
I Don't Know Who by The Ender Smites Foes	Jul 16th, 2007 02:39:42 PM
Between Evilwizardglick and Jimminy Glick, it's a complete toss up over who loves the dick more. It's a fucking free for all.
I'd just like to state for the record: by Ye Olde Gravy Leg	Jul 16th, 2007 03:14:38 PM
I often enjoy sucking black cock myself.
So John is Jesus??????????????????????? by crackerfarmboy	Jul 16th, 2007 03:37:49 PM
Didn't know Jesus could only parrot back spoken words. No wonder why they crucified him back then. He seems pretty fucking annoying to me. Hey here's an idea...BRING BACK DEADWOOD!!!!
hot mom hand job........ by Samwise Ganja	Jul 16th, 2007 05:35:55 PM
milch has a gift....i should have been at least a little disgusted at the thought of a mom, albeit hot, jerking off her 13 year old son.....but i was too busy crying with laughter.....well done.....
Liked it but had questions... by Russman	Jul 16th, 2007 06:16:19 PM
Like Crackerfarmboy asked... so is John Jesus?
Herc - I think he was w/Cissy by Russman	Jul 16th, 2007 06:18:31 PM
right before he passed out in the van he said, better she shoot me than herself.
what is up with the monad... by dollar_llama	Jul 16th, 2007 06:54:43 PM
so did a look up on Wikipedia about the meaning of Monad. Monad for many philosophers was essentially a term for the first being. In Gnosticism it is the primal aspect of god. Another bit talked about one-ness or something like that. But after this episode I am leaning towards Jon being essentially a Jesus figure. I love this show and this particular episode rocked but I think too many people will find it weird or hard to follow. I have only had one chance to watch this episode so far but I am definitely going to watch this again. I think the dream sequence was prophetic. And anyone else not sad that Sean is gonna bite it a second time. It will be great to have his horrid acting dropped from an otherwise fascinating show.
HBO - It's past me. by Al Swearengen	Jul 16th, 2007 07:38:28 PM
I cannot figure the fucking angle. Go ahead and fucking cancel it.
The kids acting.... by BangoSkank	Jul 16th, 2007 08:23:32 PM
I have to admit that until this last episode I was basically rationalizing the kids acting.... I've met plenty of hippy kids whose parents did a lot of LSD... and frankly the acting (or lack of) almost fits. But it was fucking horrible in this last episode, like a retarded kid trying to read off of a cue card. Sorry dude, you're clearly a talented surfer/skater though, so you've got that going on. And will likely get a ton of ass because of it.
"Al, did you get that blood stain up yet?" by Al Swearengen	Jul 16th, 2007 09:18:30 PM
Yeah, I'm... I'm gonna get to that.
Loved last night's episode. by dejectedrobot	Jul 16th, 2007 11:20:33 PM
This show keeps getting me hooked more and more. I love Ed O'Neill's character, along with the title character John. Sadly I think this show is not going to make due to most American viewer's impatience. They are too damn impatient and need the show to spelled out in front of them. Also about the kid's acting, I highly doubt the kid is that bad at acting. I am 95% sure that this is how is character is supposed to be; lacking emotion, dull, and abnormal. Look at the whole cast, each character has their own kinks.
ok....ok....i think i get it.....or not..... by Samwise Ganja	Jul 17th, 2007 12:17:04 AM
as pertaining to this past episode.....i think john was w/ cissy because as Russman points out john says "better she tries to shoot me and fails than tries to shoot herself and succeeds"..... that works unless he (john) was channeling someone else.....also, the big "dream sequence", which i dont like calling a "dream sequence" has me thinking this.... (and i needed another smart mid to even get to this....) everyone seems to be ignoring john when he goes on his rant....we get a lot of info we already know, some we just learned, some that has been alluded to, and some that presumably will come to pass (and unless i am mistaken, are introduced to a new character).... everyone is there, i believe in reality, except maybe cass, who aknowledges johns presence at the motel, and bill, who we know(?) is with john in v joes van.... now i know it appears that bill and freddie appar to be in a duet but that could be supposed..... i think the fact that bill is on his stairs, and the fact that john says shortly afterwards that "bill will not remember playing his harp" play towards the possibility that it was "real" for most, mental for all, but cerebral for only some of our characters....
duh...... by Samwise Ganja	Jul 17th, 2007 12:19:45 AM
mid = mind, appar = appear
Who's Who? by Pabodie	Jul 17th, 2007 12:39:52 AM
The astral thing is the way to go, I think. He was finally really intervening in an overtly supernatural way because it was the only way to stop Cissy from ... And this is where I scratch my head: If John is "Jesus" then he should have had access to the omnipotence of the trinity and known that the gun was not loaded and Cissy in no real danger. Here are some possibilities: A) He knew it, but chose to intervene anyway because even her pulling the trigger dry would have been tantamount to the mortal sin of suicide, so he did it to save her soul. Or, B) (and this is the one I like) He didn't know it. John is not Jesus. He is some sort of Angel or Herald. Shawnie is Jesus (unless his anti-virgin mother makes him the ... uh-oh). Great episode. The show almost lost me there with the repetitive healings, but you must admit there is nothing else like it on tv. The dead guy from Room 24's evil grin/glare in the "family photo" was truly chilling. That and the Hawaiian drug dealer "demon" guy have my gut telling me this show has a dark side we haven't really seen yet. Vampires? Maybe Mitch finds some surfing in Baja...
Shawnie by Pabodie	Jul 17th, 2007 12:56:15 AM
I doubt it's as strict an analogy as "Shawnie from Nazareth," but what the hay. He resurrected Zippy (and Zippy he). He's the surf prodigy. Absentee father. Mother being anti-Mary is puzzling and scary. "He will soon be gone." Again, I'm thinking John is the Prophet, the Herald, the Voice in the Wilderness. The Baptist. "We gotta get wet." Is this too on the nose? Is it magic realism influenced by scripture, or is it a modern allegory?
"you hurt my feelings. you did" by BangoSkank	Jul 17th, 2007 06:33:06 AM
That was the first line reading that really pulled me out of the show... where I came to doubt that he was a kid playing an LSD child and really just unable to act.
Fianlly caught up with all the eps... by EthanEdwards	Jul 17th, 2007 07:14:40 AM
and although the God/Jesus/John the Bapist angle is interesting, this may be a work of magical realism (the extraoridinary is this show is viewed as quite ordinary). Read Gabriel García Márquez's One Hundred Years of Solitude, which this show seems to pretty follow.
Or by EthanEdwards	Jul 17th, 2007 07:20:08 AM
it could be the whole religion thing. This is most strongly illustrated by Dr. Smith, rejecting science for religion. John-John the Baptist, Ramon/Barry/Meyer-the three wisemen, Bill-God ("you were a better father to him than I ever was), Shaun-Jesus, Butchie-Joseph, Tina-Mary Magdelene, Freddy/Palaka-the aposoltes who were bothers (not the very similar appearance), Kai, Vietnam Joe, Cass (and possibly Linc)-Aposotles, Mitch-Judas, Sissy-the holy spirit. I don't know, pretty dense last ep.
Spiritual? by dejectedrobot	Jul 17th, 2007 07:24:43 AM
I don't think it's Christian/Catholic themed however, it does seem very spiritual. Look at Mitch's character, he seems to be Buddhist. And John's last name Monad is said to be a reference to Monism.
Again by gboybama	Jul 17th, 2007 09:30:25 AM
Who ever said his name was Monad? Was I not paying close enough attention? And if someone on the show said it, wouldn't it be just another parroting back of nonsense like the Cincinnatti thing?
gboybama by BangoSkank	Jul 17th, 2007 10:33:50 AM
I believe it was on the credit card Butchie found in his pocket.
Kai by EthanEdwards	Jul 17th, 2007 10:43:12 AM
said it was Monad (when her and Butchie went to Bill's house)... NOMAD?
Thanks by gboybama	Jul 17th, 2007 11:10:31 AM
My GF has never watched anything "genre" or weird before. JfC makes her brain hurt. It's awesome.
One thing that's been on my mind... by EthanEdwards	Jul 17th, 2007 12:25:57 PM
was that in an early episode (I'll have to check which one), Bill was fuming about Y2K preparations, thus this show must take place in 1998/1999. Any thoughts why?
Anyone else notice by MoleyRusselsWart	Jul 17th, 2007 02:28:59 PM
He drew the Omega and Alpha symbol with his feet?
There's a big debate over what he draws... by EthanEdwards	Jul 17th, 2007 03:32:17 PM
some say its a Y inside of a circle (Yost?) and some are saying it looks like a stick figure with no arms. First I heard of Alpha and Omega but I'll be rewatching tonight.
foot drawings..... by Samwise Ganja	Jul 17th, 2007 04:19:04 PM
not sure what exactly he draws, but thats the first time he's done it since the first episode when shaunie is copying him.........
Hercules... by jesuschrist	Jul 17th, 2007 05:27:53 PM
I got my eye on you!
EthanEdwards by MoleyRusselsWart	Jul 17th, 2007 06:31:27 PM
From what I see he draws a circle then a line straight down through it, then, below that an A shape w/o the cross through the middle. That's Omega and Alpha, no? Plus it fits perfectly with the religious theme.
By the way, by MoleyRusselsWart	Jul 17th, 2007 06:32:30 PM
when I saw it, and rewound it several times, it was a real mindfuck for me.
foot drawings by Dylan2e	Jul 17th, 2007 08:23:21 PM
The foot drawing is similar (but not identical to) this symbol known as the "Monad Hieroglyphic": http://tinyurl.com/2cg78d
Symbol or Foot Drawings by dejectedrobot	Jul 17th, 2007 09:40:53 PM
On last Sunday's episode, John seemed to draw a circle with a line coming down and two lines at the bottom, like a stick figure with no arms. I then came across this picture on IMDB forums: http://i28.photobucket.com/alb ums/c210/amckercher4/MEMORYCAR D514.jpg
i've watched this ep twice now by ashhole	Jul 17th, 2007 10:15:56 PM
...and i think the drawing john made with his foot was of a stick figure, the first art. it's a reflection of the point in his big monologue when he talks about cave paintings knowing the word of his father. art is how man reflects both god and himself. if we are indeed created in the creator's image our reflection of that reflection is the first step of spiritual awareness. all of the monologue dealt with the various characters' decisions both past and future and how they did and can move them toward or away from their spirituality. i also had a different take on the line "better she tries to shoot me and fails than tries to shoot herself and succeeds". this line is spoken to bill and i believe it was bill's internal monologue as he went to prevent his wife's suicide. i think bill tried to keep her from commiting suicide and slipped and fell on the spiral staircase (also mentioned in the big monologue), which kept him from getting to her in time. the fact that it cut to the gun scene with cissy was just and great segue.
Baptize that fucking pistol! by youridol	Jul 18th, 2007 01:18:21 PM
9/11 is big, but not every towelhead is eradicated. In my Father's word, we are coming 9 11 14!
9 11 14 by dollar_llama	Jul 20th, 2007 01:22:51 AM
it is a biblical verse... i had it earlier but cant find it.

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