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FIRSTTTTTTT
by tnt23789
Jul 15th, 2007
06:38:33 AM
cant wait for this movie. sounds interesting
First??!
by Kragmose
Jul 15th, 2007
06:38:41 AM
If so, great succes
DAMN IT!!
by Kragmose
Jul 15th, 2007
06:39:21 AM
Thar must be a curse upon me.
sorry kragmose
by tnt23789
Jul 15th, 2007
06:40:13 AM
sorrry mate.
Now,
by Kragmose
Jul 15th, 2007
06:43:58 AM
Let's keep things civilzed, shall we? We benefit the most from peacefully discussing the facts and vaguely touching the rumors.
tnt23789...
by Kragmose
Jul 15th, 2007
06:44:49 AM
You are hereby forgiven.
First?
by KillianXX
Jul 15th, 2007
06:46:00 AM
thats my conspiracy lol
Geek Ritalin
by dr sauch
Jul 15th, 2007
06:52:58 AM
I wonder if the people Moriarity refers to (ITS GODZILLA! ITS VOLTRON! ITS T3H MOTHRA LOLZ!) actually read and internalise these type of AICN stories and actually relax. Sometimes I think they just see the title of the article and post whatever blows through their mind.
"Me? I’m excited and intrigued, and..."
by newc0253
Jul 15th, 2007
06:54:59 AM
apparently more than a little pissed that you aren't getting the credit you deserve for breaking the story, heh.
Sort Of, Mode...
by TheRealMoriarty
Jul 15th, 2007
06:55:28 AM
I do feel bad that we pantsed JJ just before he was able to release the trailer, and if I'd known how much it was all going to be played as a secret, I would have done it differently.

But I did break the story, and especially when people love to say, "Oh, you never scoop anything anymore," it's important to credit us for the work we do. We broke this story, and it's turned into perhaps the biggest story in movie news for the last few weeks. I'd like it if people didn't just boost our work and take the credit for it.

Never Mind the Hype!!!
by pobrien31
Jul 15th, 2007
06:56:56 AM
I know most of us have watched the trailer frame by frame and picked out what is appearing on the 'net, but has anyone noticed the magical lampost??? Watch the trailer again! as they come running down the stairs and into the street and the mayhem, check the building opposite!!! There is an arched window, boarded up I think with some grafitti. No check the kerb as the guy moves to the left of the frame. There is a base of a lampost but no lampost!!! The camera then pans up the street and then eventually pans back. Hey Presto, the lampost appears!!! It eventually get bowled over by the Libert head!!! Why go to all that trouble??? Any thoughts? Regards, Howard Phillips
Can't wait to miss this
by Drunken Rage
Jul 15th, 2007
06:57:53 AM
That says it all, really.
Pobrien...
by TheRealMoriarty
Jul 15th, 2007
06:58:21 AM
... because the lamppost wasn't really there. It's CG, and when the head takes it out, you're looking at an effect. Maybe by pointing it out, though, you can make sure an animator fills it in during the first part of the shot so the continuity works.
OMG, I totally know what it is. I'm totally serial.
by andrewdoane
Jul 15th, 2007
06:58:37 AM
It's Manbearpig! I'm totally serial! Guys, come on, I'm totally serial! Manbearpig loves to destroy statues, especially ones of liberty. Nobody thinks I'm serial but I'm totally serial.
dr sauch
by Kragmose
Jul 15th, 2007
06:59:15 AM
Exactly. Too often silly opinions are set forth without actually reading the material. I soo hope people fully red this one, cause its wise words from Mori. People could learn a lot from this sum-up and we could avoid some annoying Voltron/Lion claims..
J.J. Abrams flashback storytelling fetish....
by Brother Desmond
Jul 15th, 2007
07:00:08 AM
If Moriarty is right about the video camera being played as the start of the movie, then I'm starting to wonder if Abrams only likes to tell stories this way. Alias many times, Mission Impossible, Lost flashbacks....the guy has a thing for storytelling in reverse.
Also
by pobrien31
Jul 15th, 2007
07:03:28 AM
What's with the white circle on the back of the guys shirt as he running away?? Regards, Tall chap for devil-worship
andrewdoane
by Kragmose
Jul 15th, 2007
07:07:12 AM
Are you serial?? Serially?
And
by pobrien31
Jul 15th, 2007
07:08:00 AM
The letters on the back of the sign on the lampost as the Liberty head comes to a stop. Regards, Disapproval for which tell
No old ones... : (
by Mace Tofu
Jul 15th, 2007
07:10:20 AM
So it's an evil SLURM Type of monster that you drink too much of?
Hmm. So it IS the Blair Witch monster-mash?
by Zardoz
Jul 15th, 2007
07:10:59 AM
Still, could be very cool. I'm interested...
So what the hell was TheParastite.com?????
by Col. Tigh-Fighter
Jul 15th, 2007
07:11:06 AM
It said Cloverfield in the top corner, but linked to a tossing game site. Explain more!!!
It Was...
by TheRealMoriarty
Jul 15th, 2007
07:12:54 AM
... a hastily-put-together site owned by someone with no connection to the film. They took the fact that we reported the nickname "The Parasite," and they turned it into a site that they knew would get traffic so they could pimp that game site.
no old ones... how about Yonug Ones then...?
by PROF IKAMONO
Jul 15th, 2007
07:25:19 AM
imagine Vivian, Rick, Neil, and Mike rampaging through New York in an Omnibus driven by the never-aging Sir Cliff Richard....

...it plunges the soul into an abyss of madness beyond Cthulhu's wildest dreams...

Yonug... damn. Young Ones, I meants Young Ones...
by PROF IKAMONO
Jul 15th, 2007
07:27:01 AM
... damn typo right where it fucks up the whole post ...
Peter Jackson for JLA!
by UltimaRex
Jul 15th, 2007
07:28:27 AM
I hear ya Mori. I had a bit of overhype m'self when I saw the 1-18-08 trailer here on youtube. However, (and this is preemptive on my part I know) this doesn't apply to Peter Jackson for JLA! for: a) It hasn't happened yet *knocks wood* and: b) The only one hyping this is me. Sorry to segway a little but I really, really, REALLY want a Peter Jackson JLA and I know Hollywood talks to you guys. Peter Jackson for JLA!
RUMOR CONTROL! Let's talk about the body in the trunk..
by tonagan
Jul 15th, 2007
07:28:47 AM
It was there when I bought the car, I swear.
What is the fuss about?
by erkojock
Jul 15th, 2007
07:28:53 AM
Personally i thought the teaser was LAME!!!!!
So, 1-18-08...
by UltimaRex
Jul 15th, 2007
07:33:08 AM
Is it going to be called 18-1-08 here in blighty?
Disappointment
by Alientoast
Jul 15th, 2007
07:34:17 AM
Many people will be "let down" by the film regardless, purely because they are already projecting what they enjoy onto the film. This happens with virtually any teaser, and this is part of the reason teasers can work very effectively: They're like a carnival sideshow...they give you a glimpse of something amazing, something that can trigger the imagination, in an effort to get you to possibly plunk down that $5. We project our hopes onto that glimpse, and we give it a life that we ourselves create. When it doesn't match up to our expectations, we can either be pleasantly surprised or horribly turned off.
The movie's called "All Questions, No Answers"
by FilmCritic3000
Jul 15th, 2007
07:37:27 AM
Oh wait, that's the title for almost everything JJ Abrams does.
As long as we actually SEE the monster...
by Psyclops
Jul 15th, 2007
07:39:11 AM
..and not just people reacting to the devastation I'll be happy. The trailer certainly did it's job and I'm eager to see what this movie has to offer once it's released. I'm up for a good creature feature any day of the week!
Mori, you know my views. lol
by SteffanLongdon
Jul 15th, 2007
07:45:18 AM
AKA VAMP@AICN CHAT
Haha, Lost Season 4 Promo?...
by DanielKurland
Jul 15th, 2007
07:55:24 AM
I actually think I might have liked that idea.
I still think the monster is a GIANT SPIDER.
by JackPumpkinhead
Jul 15th, 2007
08:03:55 AM
Abrams is directing and he wrote that abomination of a "script" for Superman V.... which is the land of Jon Peters... who loves him some GIANT SPIDERS!
...some of us were not saying "it's Godzilla" ...
by PROF IKAMONO
Jul 15th, 2007
08:26:14 AM
...nor "It's Cthulhu", but were merely noting that the thematic "flavour" if you will, of the trailer is Kaiju... and that of the slusho.jp website is Lovecraftian...

...thus some of us feel that although it is a given that the film WON'T FEATURE GODZILLA NOR CTHULHU NOR ANY ESTABLISHED CHARACTER...

it still is likely to be informed by both the Godzilla films and the Cthulhu Mythos in a generic way...

This simple concept seems very difficult for some to grasp... so let me try to give another example...

Gorgo (1961) NOT GODZILLA!!! Different beast, different country, different raison detre, different GENDER! But still clearly INFORMED by Godzilla - Father of all Kaiju genre.

Likewise, consider Alien (1979) different time, different planet, no ocean, no New England decay, no Necronomicon, no mad arabs, nothing normally associated with HPL ... and yet long considered by genre scholars from Stephen King to S.T. Joshi as "Lovecraftian"

...so unless you know otherwise Mori - as in you know for a fact: 1. THAT THIS FILM DOES NOT FEATURE A GIANT MONSTER RAMPAGING THROUGH THE CITY, 2. THAT THIS FILM DOES NOT HAVE AN OVERIDING THEMATIC FEELING OF UNSPEAKABLE COSMIC EVIL AND IMPENDING DOOM, both of which seem to be self-evident in the trailer and websites, then please give those of us exploring these themes a break...

We do not belong in the same category as the guy who STILL insists that this ABSOLUTELY IS the Voltron movie in utter defiance of all logic, reason, or evidence to the contrary...

Ahh, so it was Kirk Montgomery that was lion...
by henrydalton
Jul 15th, 2007
08:26:34 AM
...see what I did there?
Moriarty!
by lost.rules
Jul 15th, 2007
08:35:48 AM
Let's not forget the clusterfuck situation with the Lost season finale. I'm surprised J.J. tells you guys anything.
Lets control the hype factor, guys!
by Underdogthe3rd
Jul 15th, 2007
08:51:26 AM
Remember? Rimbaldi (ALIAS) = turn out to be nothing really important. And it WAS. For four seasons, nothing less!!! Brazilians in a bunker at the last scene in season 2 (LOST)= never returned. Don't get me started: four toe statue, smoke monster, why Juliet fights like a pro, etc, etc... My point: He's great BUT JJ loves to put a great mystery and than... he: a) Forget. b) Give up. c) Never had the intention of solving it. So, thats my theory and advice. Nothing in that GREAT teaser will matter.
what a load of crap
by themidnighter23
Jul 15th, 2007
08:57:28 AM
I was really hoping to get more info about the film but all we got was a long winded whine about how harry was first. grow the fuck up
Underdog
by Zarles
Jul 15th, 2007
08:57:32 AM
Your 'theory and advice' sucks. Just because you haven't gotten your shiny red button pushed by the LOST people in the ways that you want them to isn't a reason to bitch about this. Alias only fell apart at the end because LOST started up.
ToddBoddy...
by PROF IKAMONO
Jul 15th, 2007
09:00:53 AM
...that is cheap shot...

but perhaps you should notice I use King as one extreme - and Joshi as another...

...also despite personal problems and misfortune, King does know *something* about horror genres ...read Danse Macabre for example.

ZetaTalk talks about Giant Monsters
by TheBloop
Jul 15th, 2007
09:04:35 AM
That they come from Planter X. Maybe it Ghidora, the tree headed monster. Please visit zetatalk.com for more info.
Whole film thru a camcorder???
by Binkysguy
Jul 15th, 2007
09:05:53 AM
Ugh...count me out, fellas. Blair Witch was irritating enough. This will be the same.
RELEASE DATE IS CRAP
by legendofnatman
Jul 15th, 2007
09:12:55 AM
Personally, I could hardly care about the story. It's a monster destroying New York, shot handheld. There's no twist on that core idea that can make me more interested in this premise. Yes, it was a very interesting trailer, but all this speculation is making me crazy. Why? It's a monster movie being released January 18, 2008? Did anyone forget about that little fact? It's the damn temporary title, after all. As of now, I have no faith in a monster movie the studio has decided to release along with the rest of degenerate waste that call January home.
you guys should be careful about not overcovering this
by mikey mike
Jul 15th, 2007
09:15:16 AM
you just keep posting news after pointless news that reveals nothing. it's going to get to a point where people will get fed up of all the hush hush bullshit and want to see something, and if they don't get that, then whatever interest and hype surrounding the movie will be gone. "Snakes on a Plane" had similar buzz it fizzled way before the movie came out. just be careful AICN
I helped the cause
by DeCypher44
Jul 15th, 2007
09:17:01 AM
So, I both emailed AND posted under that news column: "You guys need to remove any and all mention of "exclusive" regarding news of Cloverfeild. AICN.com broke it weeks ago and fans have been on top of it since then. Slusho.jp and 1-18-08.com are only two of MANY sites we have been visiting for clues for quite some time."
Internet Hype
by JaggedSac
Jul 15th, 2007
09:29:33 AM
As you guys should well know, the Internet hype accounts for a very small portion of the audience(Snakes On A Plane anyone?).
"Me Moriarty. Me Know everything."
by Charlie Murphy
Jul 15th, 2007
09:32:43 AM
that's all it got out of those first three or four paragraphs. "Rumor control, bitches. Here's what we know about cloverfield, and you all have me to thank! Now, kneel, bitch and suck my cock."
Are you going to talk about 1-18-08?
by crackerfarmboy
Jul 15th, 2007
09:34:20 AM
Or are you just going to continue to verbal masturbate yourself?
Blair Monster Project?
by DontCallMePunchy
Jul 15th, 2007
09:35:33 AM
So it's basically the Blair Witch Project but with a monster... no thanks.
Seriously? People will be let down?
by magic_ninja
Jul 15th, 2007
09:37:35 AM
Anyone that thought this movie was going to be a new Godzilla movie or a fucking Voltron movie is a goddamn retard. Seriously.
Shakey cam point of view...
by Sappers Forward
Jul 15th, 2007
09:38:09 AM
I'm a big fan of movies like this...do we really know what it's about? No. But a lot of shit is being fucked up and that's always a good thing. However, like it Blair Witch, I hate the shakey cam point of view. That's a real turn off for me. My $400 Sony handy cam has a great "Steady Shot" mode that virtually eliminates all the shakes. What the fuck is their excuse?
This thread sucks already.
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 15th, 2007
09:52:23 AM
Fuck it. I liked the other one better.
Why is the trailer ONLY with TRANSFORMERS?
by OmniPresident
Jul 15th, 2007
09:55:52 AM
Any theories?
Slusho.jp
by Zath_ras
Jul 15th, 2007
09:56:48 AM
Slusho Happy! What the fuck?
I just saw the sun rise!
by lost.rules
Jul 15th, 2007
09:58:18 AM
You heard it here first. Make sure I get the credit when you all report it later.
omnipresident
by Charlie Murphy
Jul 15th, 2007
09:58:19 AM
probably so the most people possible would see it. and because the release date is so far off, i guess they don't want to over hype it.
Chrono Trigger!
by Liar.Liar
Jul 15th, 2007
09:59:04 AM
I like what some other person said in the other thread about the explosion being Lavos. Fuck yeah. Shooting his spikes into the air and blowing shit up. Epic movie.
and lost.rules...
by Charlie Murphy
Jul 15th, 2007
09:59:15 AM
you're funny. i like that.
They should do Transformers 2 with a hand held
by lost.rules
Jul 15th, 2007
10:04:54 AM
Maybe the action scenes will make more sense that way.
3 photos on official site.
by ValerieCherish
Jul 15th, 2007
10:07:20 AM
How long has the third one been there.
Fanboys, like myself, have only 2 schools of thought.
by lost.rules
Jul 15th, 2007
10:10:13 AM
HYPE MODE: Aw, man. That is going to be awesome! Can't wait for that to come out!

BITCH MODE: Aw, man. That sucked! I can't believe they screwed that up.

We are currently in HYPE MODE.

!!!!BREAKING NEWS!!!!
by infosys
Jul 15th, 2007
10:13:48 AM
I was first to post this movie will suck bad
David Carradine is the Gunslinger...
by captainCAPSLOCK
Jul 15th, 2007
10:45:32 AM
since you mentioned The Dark Tower.

You heard it here first.

CHECK THIS OUT
by MasterExploder
Jul 15th, 2007
10:48:24 AM
slushozoom.com
Staypuff Marshmallow Man's back and out for revenge
by aboriginal
Jul 15th, 2007
10:49:19 AM
Godzilla v. Marshmallow in NYC
Somebody get Mori a tissue
by gambit88
Jul 15th, 2007
10:49:40 AM
and call a Whaaaambulance.
Dark tower
by emeraldboy
Jul 15th, 2007
10:49:59 AM
that was actually mentioned in empire's star wars 30th anniversary coverage. it was all in a piece to do with Stephen King.
Now I know why it's playing ONLY with TRANSFORMERS
by OmniPresident
Jul 15th, 2007
10:50:12 AM
There both Paramount films
not only are there 3 pics...
by Holodigm
Jul 15th, 2007
10:51:03 AM
none of them is rotating any more
to the quote the wolf
by van_line
Jul 15th, 2007
10:52:06 AM
"Well, let's not start sucking each other's dick's quite yet." kinda ballsy to call others out when AICN swiped a lot of stuff and not credit it (to the original source)back in the day?
Probien's Pole
by Anschutz
Jul 15th, 2007
10:52:44 AM
There are two separate poles that you are comparing. At about 1:29 you can see both poles in the frame at once. The shorter one is in front of the square window, the taller light pole is to the right of it in front of the window with the arch over it and has a One Way sign on it that you see on the pole that gets bowled over by the head.
180108 is actually a teaser for Watchmen
by newc0253
Jul 15th, 2007
10:56:06 AM
chthuloid alien horror destroys new york? think about it.
What a waste of time...
by Mr. Nice Gaius
Jul 15th, 2007
11:01:41 AM
...the hype around that mediocre trailer has inspired.
Remake of The Host?
by pjoreilly_
Jul 15th, 2007
11:01:54 AM
It seems possible, the monster was a parasite in the original....and the handheld camera would really work with this if it followed anywhere near the same story as the original
Naw, I recant my previous theories, I'm now sure...
by The Dum Guy
Jul 15th, 2007
11:03:42 AM
That this is the Dark Tower, and the fact everyone from King to Abrams denying that it is, proves that it is...

Well, seriously, I'm just wondering two things now: 1. What the hell is the monster supposed to be (I know this is the one thing everyone wants to know). 2. What kind of half-assed monster leaves survivors to clean up? Honestly, now we know this aint no Armeggedon type situation, b/c there are survivors.
MYSPACE
by OmniPresident
Jul 15th, 2007
11:07:31 AM
This is not my MYSPACE but someones. http://www.myspace.com/he_arri ves_011808
Mori...in the words of Artie...WAAAAAAAAAH
by guyincognito27
Jul 15th, 2007
11:09:54 AM
Seriously though...Mori get over yourself. So WHAT if you reported this stuff? WHo cares? You were one of many cogs in the machine orchestrated by the Paramount marketing department to get the ball rolling on this 1-18-08 stuff. Do you think you deserve the Pulitzer for reporting this? You were just a tool for the studio to get the word out to the masses...you really didnt REPORT anything other than the fact that you seem to want the world to know that you knew about 1-18-08 before the rest of the world. Get over yourself. BTW-we watched your masters of horror episode "Pro Life" we thought it was hilarious (thats not a good thing)
DumGuy
by GreenGeezer
Jul 15th, 2007
11:12:04 AM
the only thing I find disconcerting about your theory is there is no 19 reference, no Ka reference, and if this is one of the things from todash space, the great old ones (not c'thonic, but those that did themselves in before the world moved on) have REALLY fucked up with a couple doors. At least it wasnt the Dixie Pig going up....
MYSPACE 2
by OmniPresident
Jul 15th, 2007
11:17:31 AM
www.myspace.com/1000693995
Anschutz, Compare the time
by pobrien31
Jul 15th, 2007
11:18:07 AM
Anschutz, Compare the time frames at 1:19 and 1:29 - no pole, pole!!! I couldn't really care less, but in this day and age you'd think they would be a tad better at this sort of thing by now!!! Regards, Overshadow Flip Thrill Cap
Okay....what we know
by GreenGeezer
Jul 15th, 2007
11:21:35 AM
Anyone want to start with the facts as we know them, and as Mori has laid them out. Lets get investigating...AGAIN!
Who cares - I want Trek rumors!!!!!
by picardsucks
Jul 15th, 2007
11:21:56 AM
Get Shatner in the movie and who is playing young Captain Kirk??
Yeah people talked about it
by jimmy_009
Jul 15th, 2007
11:24:48 AM
because they are predictable dumb asses. They had to resort to gimmicks because, let's face it, the trailer sucked and wouldn't have gotten anyone excited otherwise.
So what if Mori wants a little credit?
by DarthTarter
Jul 15th, 2007
11:29:00 AM
Say you are at work, whatever it may be you do, and you bust your ass all day long. Then at the end of the day a guy who has done *nothing* jumps in front of you when the boss shows up and takes credit for all your work. Everyone would be fucking pissed and you know it. This cockhair claimed that HE was the exclusive source, that is what made it wrong and why it irked Mori so much. I can dig that.
I'm sure this has been mentioned...
by rogmel
Jul 15th, 2007
11:29:22 AM
but is it possible that "1-18-08" is the title, and not the release date?
Rumor control, these are the facts
by GreenGeezer
Jul 15th, 2007
11:31:39 AM
From Mori: Its an original property. not C'thulu, not Voltron..nothing we've "seen", except perhaps thematically. We know from the trailer: -Rob is moving to japan. -the line "I saw it, its alive, its HUGE!" is important. -Folk wear slusho t-shirts. -the monster moans/roars, also indicated to be of import. -the statue of liberty or a reasonable mock there of has been tossed/hit into the street, hitting the 401 broadway site. from the Pics: -The are not the same girl. -Dude feeding rob a drink wears a slusho shirt. -the yellow girl is freaky -its not the devil, its hair and light. -the blast light is far to bright to see SHIT. From Slusho.jp: -The history section is important, and adds a kaiju/lovecraftian flavor. -The duck is flying in a rainbow balloon. -the horse thinks of a blue oven mit, the fish of swiss cheese. -most of the site will be updated -there are 4 full cups at the bottom, 13 empty ones. -the japanese at the bottom is a variation on the slogan "you can't drink just 6" -otherwise, not much more so far. Hit me if I missed anything.
K, guys: J.J. Abrams is not running Lost
by Eaglet1138
Jul 15th, 2007
11:33:23 AM
I'm seeing people in here attacking J.J. for what they see as problems with the series 'Lost,' which he co-created. But let's be clear.

J.J. Abrams is way too busy with other projects (M:I-III, Star Trek, Cloverfield, What About Brian, Six Degrees, The Office) to have more than a passing interest in Lost at this point.

He directed and wrote the pilot, and yes, he and Damon Lindelof CREATED the show. They set up the concept of the monster, and the mystery of the Island, and who the people on the Island are, and set the series into motion.

But anything that has happened since then can ONLY be credited to (and against) the one-two punch of Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse. They are the ones running the show at this point. If you have a problem with the guys in the bunker at the end of season 2 (which, they will be coming back, just wait), you have to blame Darlton for it. If you thought the third season finale was brilliant, it's because of Darlton.

Again. J.J. Abrams CO-CREATED 'Lost,' but he is not involved in the day-to-day decision making on the show at this point, because he is working on other projects.

oh not again
by GreenGeezer
Jul 15th, 2007
11:38:50 AM
MRX67...do we need to repost from the other thread? you've already admitted that theres more than ample theory, rather than fact in your supposition, so you can't say you've only reported based on fact...and Voltron has been severly debunked (although, I'm still looking forward to THAT when it hits)
This thing will never live up to the hype its caused...
by sith-vol
Jul 15th, 2007
11:39:42 AM
and while you can blame all the bloggers, talkbackers and internet webmasters for all the build up over that vague-assed trailer, the blame for getting the ball rolling sits firmly on the shoulders of Abrams himself. He got exactly what he wanted; word of mouth and a fervor of excitement about doing exactly what he does on LOST, show absolutely nothing and then appear to be sooo clever.
This thing will be a turd. Why else release it in the dead of hollywood's graveyard? And don't give me the whole "he's breaking with the norm because he's a genius bullshit either."
Abrams has made a career out of giving cryptic prmises and then standing back when his final product doesn't deliver and saying; "Well, you guys let your imaginations run wild and if you'd have only thought about the clues I gave you, you would have seen it was a pile off shit....not my fault."
This thing will be crap...and somehow, we talkbackers will be to blame for that as our imaginations have "run wild" again.
And before this post runs to mammoth proportions I wills close by saying that if I were Abrams, I would have kept the Ethan Haas site linked to my movie, because the game Alpha Omega sounds ten times as good as anything he could come up with. Oh...and he is going to put the last nail in the Star Trek franchise too.
Oh and another thing....
by sith-vol
Jul 15th, 2007
11:45:22 AM
viral advertising is ok to a point, like what they are doing with The Dark Knight, but this stuff reeks of self-absorbed pretentious bullshit to me.
a lack
by GreenGeezer
Jul 15th, 2007
11:46:03 AM
of evidence, or silence from the suspect does not indicate guilt and/or complicity. Come on man, I thought you were a detective.
IMDB
by CrazySlasher
Jul 15th, 2007
11:53:10 AM
There's someone over at IMDB who said the same thing about the camera being picked up during the clean up. He also has a lot more to say about it than AICN.
The movies name is Bad Robot????
by johnny rocket7
Jul 15th, 2007
11:54:48 AM
This is what I heard behind me from Mr. and Mrs Middle America when I saw the trailer in the theater. Not naming it got great buzz on line but I was left to wonder how many people (who have no idea who JJ Abrams is) are now walking around thinking a movie called Bad Robot is coming out in January...
themidnighter23
by jfp2007
Jul 15th, 2007
11:59:18 AM
No, you grow the fuck up.
MRX67
by GreenGeezer
Jul 15th, 2007
12:02:24 PM
No can do on showing you a site with any info on voltron, sorry...your welcome to your opinions, and your beliefs, (and I think we can both agree...voltron may kick a great deal of posterior)..but stating the suppositions based on the Slusho.jp website, and a lack of any other information doesn't make this a lock that it's voltron. The Dark Tower was in development hell as early as 87 (or there abouts, read about it as listed in a licencing list in an ANCIENT Starlog magazine), and sat in tristars dev hell for years until now, but that didn't make things with similar thematics concurrently ABOUT the dark tower.
But, I'll
by GreenGeezer
Jul 15th, 2007
12:05:16 PM
drop the subject for now, and deal with your insistance...however, we need to get together in person (or telepresent) after the release of one OR the other and have a laugh about this.
and a beer.
by GreenGeezer
Jul 15th, 2007
12:07:15 PM
sound like a plan?
mmmm
by GreenGeezer
Jul 15th, 2007
12:08:06 PM
crow....tasty.
MRX67
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 15th, 2007
12:08:52 PM
Please do this thread a favor and pot your Voltron theories in their entirety here, so people here don't have to go through 2000+ posts to find them. Also...what happens when this comes out and it isn't Voltron? Are we going to have to put you on suicide watch? And at what point will you admit it isn't? When you actually see the movie and it isn't Voltron, will you admit it isn't Voltron or will you think JJ is still just fucking with everyone and shot an entire fake movie just to throw everyone off the scent of his actual Voltron project?
Alright, Alright, General
by GreenGeezer
Jul 15th, 2007
12:11:48 PM
he's welcome to his opinions, just as are we all..again, my only issue is stateing them as established fact. I'll admit, it can skew the thread a bit, but lets try and face it with a bit more stoicism.
SoylentMean
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 15th, 2007
12:13:12 PM
You just played right into MRX67's hands with your math, sir. You see, the movie DOES cost 150 million...it's 30 million PER LION. We heard 30 million. There are five lions in Voltron. 30 x 5 is 150. Transformers cost 150 million. This trailer played in front of Transformers...and ONLY Transformers. Thus, this is Voltron.
The truth about all this is...
by Bronx Cheer
Jul 15th, 2007
12:13:16 PM
that there was no "Cloverfield" film. This has all been an elaborate market research study to test the effectiveness of viral marketing, and to see how quickly fanboys can twist things completely out of shape. Now The Suits know.

As a reward, however, they've decided to go ahead and make the movie, because you've all been so eager and energetic.

WE know
by GreenGeezer
Jul 15th, 2007
12:15:05 PM
that Voltron has by and large been debunked (if only by mori, and lack of evidence.)....and we know that half of the budgette is devoted towards speacial effects (via new report), but thats an ASS TON of modeling, texturing, animation, and integration for a REALLY low budgette.....the only reason I can state authority on this is that I do 3d modeling, and animation (to some extent), and nominally a production company doing CGI work on the scale and grandeur of voltron would have quite a bit more on the table in the way of funds for ALL that work....its never as easy as it seems.
GreenGeezer
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 15th, 2007
12:16:57 PM
MRX67 CANNOT be serious at this point. He just CAN'T. If he is...man, I don't even know. But he can't be, so I refuse to treat that like a serious opinion/theory. He has to be keeping this going as a joke. I just can't wrap my brain around any other explanation. Sure, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but at what point do you just have to throw your hands up? I mean, I'm entitled to my opinion, but what if my opinion is that today is Thursday and this is 2002? Sometimes opinions are just wrong...and absurd.
MRX67
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 15th, 2007
12:19:09 PM
Man, there is NO WAY you're serious. I just can't believe it. Yesterday you had me going, but today I'm just not buying it. But keep going, because I admire the fact that you're sticking to your guns for the sake of comedy. But I'm onto you, brutha. No way are you serious.
faith breeds form
by GreenGeezer
Jul 15th, 2007
12:19:30 PM
until proven otherwise, and I have thrown my hands up at this point, determined to laugh (sometimes to tears, and not good tears) on the theories and machinations of the faithfull...as long as that faith and belief don't lead to a bombbelt, folk believe in far stranger things.
RUMER CONTROL! Let's talk about Bruce's parenting style
by BannedOnTheRun
Jul 15th, 2007
12:22:58 PM
Or not.
possibly, possibly not
by GreenGeezer
Jul 15th, 2007
12:24:56 PM
but its the figure we have to go off of, hell...if they're paying attention to these threads at all, I'm sure the budgette is going up like a bloody gas pump ticker. They need to be carefull if thats the case though...this shit could (and I thinkin some cases has) lead to backlash if taken to far. Lets get hunting for the clues. Come on gang, we got a mystery to solve. (ps: I'd really love to do it before an update, or some other site gets it)
GreenGeezer
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 15th, 2007
12:27:00 PM
That they do. But MRX67 doesn't really believe it's Voltron at this point. Honestly, he's obviously a movie fan or he wouldn't frequent this site...I think that's a pretty safe assumption. So he has to know that at this point, if this IS a Voltron movie and actually costs much more than 30 million, no studio exec would EVER deny that a movie that expensive was in the works. Studio execs don't play around with that kind of money and go..."You know, we COULD advertise the hell out of this and let people know our 150 million Voltron movie is coming out in 6 months, but maybe we'll get better returns if we just deny that we have anything to do with Voltron until the day it actually comes out? People like surprises, right?" No studio exec thinks like that where 150 million is concerned. That's a lotta dimp. When Voltron is actually coming, they will start to hype the shit out of it. Period. MRX67 is kidding.
Its a fair point
by GreenGeezer
Jul 15th, 2007
12:30:07 PM
I'm taking it as flat earth theory at this point (no offence MRX).
Slusho website is up..
by torpor_haze
Jul 15th, 2007
12:33:43 PM
http://www.slusho.jp/
About the budget...
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 15th, 2007
12:35:24 PM
I posted this about 1500 posts ago on the other thread, so here it is again...and anyone on this site who works in the movie biz can back me up on this: If this movie is going to be shot entirely in the "home video" style of the trailer, then the equipment is probably just high-end mini-dv or affordable dv...something like the Canon XL1S (or whatever the current equivalent is...I'm a little out of the loop); the kind of equipment that a good, professional videographer would use to film weddings, etc. You could buy ten of those cameras for $100,000. It also has no big-name stars, no big-name writers, and no big-name director. Even if they are shooting everything on location and have to pay taxes, buy permits, etc., you could probably shoot all the live action footage for this movie, pay the cast and crew, etc., and advertise this movie for under 10 million. Because, let's face it: You don't need a 50 million dolar ad campaign for a movie that only costs 30 million, since it won't have as much trouble turning a profit as a big-bidget epic because it was SO CHEAP TO MAKE. Word of mouth can make this film VERY profitable if it is good. So that leaves 20 million for CGI and physical effects. You don't think that's a lot? Go ask Roger Corman or Lloyd Kaufmann how far they could stretch 20 million. Shit, ask BadMrWonka...he's about to shoot a feature for $200,000.
Not to mention the fact that
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 15th, 2007
12:38:27 PM
JJ is a tv producer, so he knows how to stretch a dollar...as ALL tv producers do...
Remake
by Macca10
Jul 15th, 2007
12:41:20 PM
I'm still going with it being a remake of "The Host".
Blair Witch Toho Style? I'm officially bored.
by conspiracy
Jul 15th, 2007
12:47:07 PM
Yaaaawn, yet another generic monster movie, only fimed in a been there done that style. Don't know about you but I've had an assfull of smashed buildings, screaming bimbos, and CGI fireballs. The Lovecraft angle had me interested; a movie about the end of time and evil unleashed. I imagined a film about someone just trying to eek out thier lives to the last and filming the event, all the time knowing the inevitable fate that awaited. Damn it I wanted despair,NC-17 chaos, soul numbing horror, and an overriding darkness that would have given the most ardent satanist the creeps; has Hollywood finally dared brought the darkest of mans fears and dreams to film I wondered? Nope..if Mori is right is sounds like we're getting nothing better than some low budget, film school version of something the Toho Company did 53 years ago.
Not Godzilla, but
by Captain Atom
Jul 15th, 2007
12:51:22 PM
Almost everything leaked points to a new monster, but almost all the clues point to a Godzilla like kaiju. The fire/explosion (most non-japanese giant monsters have no blast attack), the whale talk at slusho (Gojira= gorilla whale, the frozen at tremendous depths at slusho, and all the Japan references in general. Heck, the original US poster for Godzilla, KotM displays "It's Alive" prominently. http://tinyurl.com/292rqo So it's a new monster, but Abrams is trying to point out how much it is like Godzilla, I guess.
BTW...FUCK VOLTRON...
by conspiracy
Jul 15th, 2007
12:55:19 PM
One giant robot movie is plenty, bring on Gatchaman/G-Force. Keyop, Tiny, Princess and the rest would put a world of hurt on the big screen an you geeks all know it.
MATTHEW BRODERICK KILLED GODZILLA!!
by Jackson Healy
Jul 15th, 2007
12:56:34 PM
So, how bad can Godzilla be?
It's not a giant witch, it's a giant bitch.
by JackPumpkinhead
Jul 15th, 2007
12:59:39 PM
And that's the true surprise - it's actually a political thriller about Hillary Clinton.
Fan Board for 01-18-08 Fans
by cloverfield2008
Jul 15th, 2007
01:00:16 PM
Fan Board for 01-18-08 Fans http://www.jjabrams.net
Blah blah blah.
by s00p3rm4n
Jul 15th, 2007
01:02:56 PM
I can't stand J.J. Abrams. But I certainly respect that he wants to use trailers as a means of drawing people to the movie theater without ruining every goddamn good scene in the flick.
mrx67
by rdsxfan8
Jul 15th, 2007
01:05:16 PM
hey do you work for the company that makes voltron toys or soemthing??? either that or you have a shit load of them at your house and your hopign so vehemently that this is a voltron movie so you can sit there on ebay or craigslist and get top $$ for first run voltron toys or something..... in the immortal words of the big lebowski "its over sir, the bums lost....." this IS NOT A VOLTRON MOVIE
If the sound it makes
by TheBlackKnight
Jul 15th, 2007
01:05:22 PM
is a clue, then perhaps it's the tone and reverberation? The first groan noise during "Woman" sounds almost like a whale (not that it is), but could be coming from the water. It at least seems like a sound felt through the transfer of solid (underground) or liquid (ocean) matter. The earthquake could be the ground opening up to let this thing out. If it was the impact from something landing, it seems to me like there would already be a fiery mass somewhere. Then again we don't know if that explosion was the first bit of destruction anyway.
Great Disney World analogy, Moriarty
by slone13
Jul 15th, 2007
01:08:12 PM
It's one of the major things that separates the Disney parks from the Six Flags and such. Totally immersing you into their world. And so effective at it.
NOT a remake of THE HOST
by The Inspector
Jul 15th, 2007
01:14:31 PM
THE HOST is still only in development with Gold Circle and Vertigo producing. Neither Paramount, Abrams or Bad Robot are involved with the (re)making of that film.
Morons gotta eat
by Hugh G Rekshun
Jul 15th, 2007
01:15:57 PM
Just look at the continuing level of stupidity of some of the posts here. Although the Voltron stuff is about as entertaining as you can get 'round these parts.
GeneralJackCosmo, you're off base.
by Bronx Cheer
Jul 15th, 2007
01:16:18 PM
Just because they are shooting in home video style doesn't mean they are using shit equipment. Case in point: Cloverfield recently was seen with the most expensive high-end HD camera available from a certain camera manufacturer.
TheBlackKnight, Manhattan is an island.
by Bronx Cheer
Jul 15th, 2007
01:17:41 PM
It stands to reason, then, that the creature probably can swim. Duh.
The worst thing I've heard so far...
by Red Ned Lynch
Jul 15th, 2007
01:19:20 PM
...is Mori saying that all the footage is from ONE camera, found in the wreckage by a clean-up crew from later. Nothing else I've read to this point makes me fear more that this is just a novelty riff Abrams got the idea for while he was watching The Host, which let's face it, folks, is only HALF a good movie. Yeah, the first act or so was pretty great, but by the end it had been a spent force for more than thirty minutes. Now GreenGeezer or GJC can try to cheer me up with an idea that watching the tape makes the viewer understand that this was just the first time, and that "little whales" are the future, and maybe that kind of thing could bring it closer back to all right. Still, the most disturbing thing I've heard so far. (Although once again kind of Lovecraftian, though updated. About half the stories he wrote involved someone finding a dead guy's notes, diary or something).
It's Gorgo's mom. Obviously. Looking for baby.
by Bronx Cheer
Jul 15th, 2007
01:19:27 PM
Roar.
Disneyland? hmmmmm
by PROF IKAMONO
Jul 15th, 2007
01:21:40 PM
...Mori at Disneyland, but not at Magic Kingdom at WDW, there was ride called Story Book Land...

...you would ride on boats through beautifully landscaped miniatures of places from Disney's animated features...

... the ride began by your boat going into the huge slavering jaws of Monstro the whale... hmmmmm

I was just on IMDB
by emeraldboy
Jul 15th, 2007
01:23:16 PM
The real name of this movie is called the Parasite and has nothing to do with another film parasite which is currently filming. as you will see. A giant monster movie currently referred to as Cloverfield, revolving around a group of people using a home video camera to record their experience of an attack from the monster, "The Parasite" (not to be confused with the film project The Parasyte) in New York City.
Bronx Cheer
by Red Ned Lynch
Jul 15th, 2007
01:24:04 PM
If you're going to go for bad prehistoric monster please go all the way bad. Reptilicus! Man Gorgo was a Saturday afternoon staple back in the day, though. I must have seen it thirty times between the ages about five and twelve.
Bronx
by TheBlackKnight
Jul 15th, 2007
01:25:42 PM
I'm just talking about the origin of where it came from. We don't come from the water, but we can swim. Did it crawl out of a hole in Manhattan? It sure as hell didn't sneak up on Manhattan from somewhere else on land to wait and make it's first noise there. OR it swam in from the sea and made first land contact in Manhattan. Or it's totally magical and appeared out of the sky. I'm just trying to get speculation going. This talkback has become "It's not Voltron!"
OR
by TheBlackKnight
Jul 15th, 2007
01:28:08 PM
Are we just going to wait now?
It's.... It's the Stay-Puft Marshmallow Man
by canvasseamonkey
Jul 15th, 2007
01:37:53 PM
or maybe robotic Richard Simmons
JJ Abrams has chosen HD-DVD, here's why...
by Johnno
Jul 15th, 2007
01:46:09 PM
So you can rewind your memory back to when Toshiba announced it despite the jauggernaut called Blu-Ray rising from the waters to raise all hell on the mainland when it unleashed its fury and might, and now you can now follow Toshiba's format's story to it's enivitable tragic and stupid end.
Moriarty...
by Transmetropolitan
Jul 15th, 2007
01:46:12 PM
You always sum everything up with such genius subtlety and rationality. This project...that trailer... is the first to peak my interest as strongly as Grindhouse. Awesome stuff. Sorry to hear some asshole was screwing with you Mori. We all knew you revealed the story. Fucking tools not giving credit where credit is due... such bullshit.
Bronx Cheer
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 15th, 2007
01:49:19 PM
Didn't know that...where did that info come from out of curiosity? The kind of equipment I'm talking about has been used to shoot features before, btw, by people like Soderbergh. I wouldn't call it crap...it's not like the camcorder I bought at Best Buy or anything. Even if they are using more expensive equipment, you can shoot a beautiful-looking film for under 10 million (look at Bound and Memento...both cost less than 10 million). The point I was trying to make is that a lot of people are calling the 30 million dollar budget into question, and I think you could show A LOT of monster for that kind of money, given the "ant's-eye view" perspective that the movie seems to be using.
"giving credit where credit is due"
by Underdogthe3rd
Jul 15th, 2007
01:50:26 PM
If I receive a dollar everytime I read this at AICN talbacks... You guys have a real self steam problem.
Bronx Cheer
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 15th, 2007
01:52:45 PM
Also, I realize that both films I sited were set-bound, so look at tv shows that shoot on location in NYC or lA...Sex & The City or Entourage, for example. I'm sure each episode of those shows didn't have a budget of more than 1 million. You could shoot a feature on location for under 10 million and still have a lot of that 30 mil left for sfx.
hahahah hardly
by rdsxfan8
Jul 15th, 2007
01:54:55 PM
I am more than man to admit my mistakes if it is in fact a voltron movie, but its pretty much been made obvious to everyone but you MRX67 that it isnt. your like a modern day version of the guy who thought the earth was flat even though 99.9% of the rest of the population knows it not to be true. but hey good luck to you and your grand thoughts and ideas. its a free world think what ya want, but dont say you werent warned when the backlash hits once it turns out not to be what you think and believe it to be.
I have to agree with Mori...
by jimmy rabbitte
Jul 15th, 2007
01:55:43 PM
How many times, in the past few years, have scores and scores of people complained that a new trailer has given away the whole movie? This trailer is a classic teaser trailer. It has plenty of set-up, but it does a very smart thing and has no image at all of whatever is attacking Manhattan.

At the very least, I'm looking forward to finding out something more about this film; and as it stands right now (based on the teaser) I'm looking forward to seeing it.

It's a great trailer. Hopefully it will be an entertaining movie.

ANTSYPANTSY
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 15th, 2007
01:59:59 PM
I'm not sure who you're referring to, but do you really think that it's impossible for anyone on this board to have any idea about what it takes to make a movie...cost or otherwise? I used to work for an indie producer--Edward R. Pressman, to be specific--and I'm sure that I'm not alone.
ANTSYPANTSY
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 15th, 2007
02:09:15 PM
So you're calling me a liar, then? What point would there be in that, seeing as how I don't claim to work for him anymore? And I worked in the office--in the development department--for two guys: Zach Schiff-Abrams and Alessandro Camon...I never claimed to be a filmmaker myself. Go ahead and look them up. Finally, I have no problem with people refuting bullshit statements, and on this site there have been PLENTY, but on your blog you say: "Talk of this movie was spreading before AICN said a single word about it." I am willing to give that statement the benefit of the doubt, but can you prove it? You should post a link or site a reference when you are going after someone else's bad journalism/media coverage, if for no other reason than to show that you are more professional than them.
Voltron Suicide Hotline (a 1-act play by BadMrWonka)
by BadMrWonka
Jul 15th, 2007
02:09:24 PM
for MRX67.

Voltron Suicide Hotline: "hello?"

fan: "um hello, I think the 1-18-08 movie is Voltron.

VSH: "you are aware that Voltron is a separate movie by a separate studio?"

fan: "well, yes, but I think that's all a ploy!"

VSH: "and you're aware that Voltron is a kid's toy? and that any movie made about Voltron would have massive tie-ins with toys/fast food/etc.? something not conducive to a scary movie shot all with hand-held camcorders? not to mention that fact that people who obviously know more than you do at this point, such as Moriarty from AICN, have stated clearly and emphatically that there is NO CONNECTION between this film and Voltron?"

fan: "well, I choose to ignore all of that."

VSH: "um...OK, well do you actually have ANY reason whatsoever to believe this is Voltron?"

fan: "the IMDB page for Voltron hasn't been updated recently."

VSH: (long pause) "what?"

fan: "they haven't updated the page in a while! not to mention, here are some other cold hard FACTS!! on the Slush.jp site, one of the animals is dreaming of cheese. cheese comes from France! and France is one of the places that Voltron is going to stop at, according to the script leaked at mexicanscriptreviews.com!!"

VSH: "wait, cheese? what are you talking ab-

fan: "and, and, there's a horse! which is like a donkey! and donkeys are from mexico, and Voltron stops in mexico in the script!"

VSH: "you're kidding, right? you have to be joking..."

fan: "no, I'm totally serious."

VSH: "OK, I think we have all the information we need. and I am authorized at this time to tell you that you can go ahead and kill yourself. thank you for calling the Voltron Suicide Hotline."

...on a previous TB's i linked to Calls for Cthulhu...
by PROF IKAMONO
Jul 15th, 2007
02:10:27 PM
... videos on YouTube.

... the videos have an 800 number to call in your questions (this is part of joke... it says previously recorded don't call)

... the number is 1-800-SOL-EATR...

... if anyone actually calls that...

... it's PORN!!!!

... a sex-line...

ha ha ha ha ha ha tentacle rape! ha ha ha ha

bad wonka
by rdsxfan8
Jul 15th, 2007
02:15:00 PM
ya know that shit had me rolling on the floor over here. and you should turn it into a movie. the best part about it is that once he does off himself there wouldnt be any chance of a sequel.... hahahahah unless of course we get the undead version of mrx67 which could be jsut as bad if not worse than the live version.
Damn you's Kirk Montgomery
by supersize
Jul 15th, 2007
02:15:50 PM
Your on my shit list pal
Not enough mystery
by Shaner Jedi
Jul 15th, 2007
02:19:41 PM
in much of anything anymore. You have to do something that stands out in order to get attention and a trailer that raises more questions than it answers is precisely what was needed. Mori's comment about Disneyland and the buildup of anticipation got me thinking. Today, so much of marketing is about getting out in front of everyone else. In the process, we've taken away alot of the mystery behind films and other industries with "beat them over the head" marketing. Look at new cars. You can see the new models in Car and Driver 2 years before they're on sale. It used to be the dealers would have a "reveal" of new models. They'd cover the car with a sheet and people would come into the business just to see the unveiling. They'd create anticipation through mystery. Today we get so much upfront that by the time we get the real deal, we're jaded or spoiled on it. JJ is doing the right thing. Marketing folks from many industries should do this more often. Doesn't happen enough today.
SoylentMean
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 15th, 2007
02:27:29 PM
On a side-note...do you know that Mr. T has a fucking reality show? It's some kind of self-help show. I shit you not, the slogan in the print ads is "Because in every city, there's fools to pity". I'm not making this shit up.
MRX67
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 15th, 2007
02:29:53 PM
You have officially lost your mind.
mrx67
by rdsxfan8
Jul 15th, 2007
02:32:25 PM
stay where you are, we're sending the men in the white coats with the butterfly nets right over.
rdsxfan8
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 15th, 2007
02:34:10 PM
You know he's totally fucking around, right? I mean, he HAS to be...
Good lord. So much hype and drama.
by DarthCorleone
Jul 15th, 2007
02:38:49 PM
Who cares? I'm intrigued by the hook, but I don't think it's worth all this hubbub. And I am wary of a monster movie shot from a handheld perspective. How much versatility is there going to be in that? Explosion. Camera jerks toward it. Building falls. Camera jerks toward it. Monster roars. Camera jerks toward it. I like Blair Witch a lot, but I think it works because it's quiet. It has a creeping, just offscreen dread. Maybe I'm underestimating the verisimilitude of this technique in something with more chaos. We'll see.
Couldn't care less.
by Deathpool
Jul 15th, 2007
02:39:35 PM
I might be in the minority, but I don't know, I'm just not feeling this whatsoever. Hope it turns out well though.
Ok, MRX67...
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 15th, 2007
02:41:53 PM
How about this for a fact: I have the telephone number for The Mark Gordon Company. I'm not about to post it here, but I will e-mail it to you. Do you have a myspace account? If so, shoot me a message at www.myspace.com/generaljackcos mo - NO SPACES - and I will send you the number. Call them and tell them you are looking to license Voltron for something...make something up, detective...and see if they still have the rights to the movie. If you don't have a myspace, you can shoot me an e-mail at my shitty, under-construction web-site @ www.cosmo-verse.com
So the whole is told though Hand camera
by Phategod1
Jul 15th, 2007
02:44:21 PM
Color me unimpressed Sounds like something that Kid from On the Lot would do for free. Sorry but I'm not Interested in a war of worlds movie told Blair Witch style. Peace.
The question is...
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 15th, 2007
02:45:21 PM
...when the folks at MGC say they still have the rights, are you going to believe them, or will you just think they are part of the conspiracy, too?
I mean, COME ON...
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 15th, 2007
02:49:33 PM
"Look at the beginning of the trailer....the attack came from the sky right?" I'm not so sure that it DID, but even if it did...the ONLY attack that could possbly come from the sky is Voltron-related? Even though none of the people associated with this film are associated with any of the people involved in the Voltron movie in any way? Dude, if you ARE serious, then you are falling victim to the very common phenomenon of seeing connections where you want to see connections...and listen, I WANT to see a good Voltron movie...but this is not that movie.
At this point, I want it to be Voltron.
by lost.rules
Jul 15th, 2007
02:51:02 PM
Just so that guy will STFU!
lost.rules
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 15th, 2007
02:52:55 PM
Do you honestly think that if it IS Voltron he will EVER stop taling about it?
MRX67
by BadMrWonka
Jul 15th, 2007
02:53:25 PM
I hope you enjoyed my short play.

you are claiming that 2 separate movies are, somehow, the same movie.

don't you think that a claim as, um...unusual as that means that YOU Should be providing the facts? if I claim that my pet bunny can talk, I can't say, "well, prove it can't! show me some facts!" that is what you're doing, brother. unusual claims, that go against the common accepted norms, requires specific proof.

you are speculating. but the problem is, you treat your suppositions and speculations as fact, and when they are discounted, you ignore it. then when someone gives you ample evidence against your theories, you ignore that as well. then you take a break for a few hours, and pop right back in, going, "where are the facts?"

I still think it's 50/50 whether you're joking or not, but hell, I'm on a break from work, so I'll give this a shot:

here's how it will work. I'm going to write down a few things that I believe are evidence that the Voltron movie and the 1-18-08 movie are not the same movie. I will list them point by point, and I will number them. then you can use the corresponding numbers, and respond to each point, in turn. do you understand? no more vagueries, no more illogical ramblings. point. by. point. ok?

1. both films were developed separately. meaning the cast, producers, writers and directors, are not the same. do you believe that the magazine articles, IMDB.com pages, insider information, as well as information from this site, is all part of a vast conspiracy to hide the fact that they are, in fact, one movie? (answer clearly. start out with a yes or a no, and go from there)

2. this film, (even if you disbelieve the budget) is told from the viewpoint of a few survivors of a large attack. their camera is found, and someone watches the footage. does this sound like the Voltron script that you have read/heard about? (since you have used that same script in previous posts to "prove" your overall point, I would assume that if the script did not match up with what this film is going to be, it would be an inconsitency with your theory, right?)

3. Voltron is going to be a movie with natural toy tie-ins, just like Transformers. that was the point of the original series, and a huge part of the rationale for remaking it. do you honestly believe a studio would look at the success of a film like Transformers, both in scope/box office/toys/tie-ins/advertisin g connections, etc., and take what is an obscenely similar franchise potential, and make it with camcorders, during a dark night, for 1/5 of the budget? (again, clear, concise answers here)

4. your "facts" proving this movie is Voltron included mentions of the slusho.jp site, where you insisted that cheese = France, and horses = Mexico, and that somehow this equals Voltron. for these signals to be meaningful, the rest of the symbols would have to be significant as well. so please tell us how they all relate to the Voltron script.

5. please tell us what would be the percieved advantage to creating a situation where (as you admit) 99% of the people who watched the trailer, and are involved in searching for more clues, do not think this is Voltron. if it actually is, do you consider this campagin a failure? considering everyone over the age of 13 has been convinced by the overwhelming tide of logic and rational thought, that it is NOT Voltron?

again, go point by point, and be clear. you keep complaining about a lack of evidence that it is NOT Voltron. even though the burden of proof SHOULD be on you, I've just given you some evidence, and asked you some questions abotu your theory.

I can honestly say, for many reasons, I look forward to your response...

I don't blame Moriarty
by WilliamWallace1974
Jul 15th, 2007
02:54:06 PM
Props to Mori for the scoop. They ripped off AICN, and gave them no credit. It's bush league, and he has every right to be mad. At the same time, Mori seems to be saying that we should cool it, when AICN has fanned the flames of all the fanboys hoping it's this story or that one. If it weren't for movie geeks obsessing over trailers and such, sites like this would have the traffic of the typical myspace page. If this is just a story of a monster attacking New York, I hope there's a reasonable explanation for why - once again - NYC is under attack, and what could cause an explosion that incinerates several city blocks.
either way mrx
by rdsxfan8
Jul 15th, 2007
02:54:13 PM
this thread has gone way off topic. is anyone out there still actively pursuing any clues other than voltron based rigamorole. mrx67 wont be satisifed until someone proves him wrong ( and even than it will still be part of a conspiracy to him) so lets get to searching. I dont even really care anymore what this movie is about but I will make it my mission to prove it is not VOLTRON... the only other question I have for you mrx67 is this why do you want a voltron movie so bad? I thought there was a general consensus out there that people were tired of the remakes, rehashing of childhood show/cartoons, and sequels/prequesls, etc.... wouldnt this just be another example of hollywood raping our childhoods? Im all for anything original now a days in hollywood, but again if i turn out to be wrong I will in no way go kill myself. its only hollywood and I can choose not to spend my money on this film in a vain attempt to get them to understand that Im tired of them and want more original ideas out there. but as long as people like you keeping thinking the way you do, the days of remakes, rehashings, etc... will continue and Im gonna compliment you mrx btw . your a damn tenacious lil bugger. that I will def give you
BadMrWonka
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 15th, 2007
02:56:13 PM
Man, those are all good points. And they have all been raised by others and then swatted aside by MRX67. I, also, look forward to his reply.
I still think it's THE LEGEND OF BILL BRASKY
by Sir Loin
Jul 15th, 2007
02:56:53 PM
From SNL.
MRX67
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 15th, 2007
02:59:49 PM
I don't need you to explain anything about rights...I know how it works. But go ahead and do what I said anyway. And here's another fact: The "rumor" that MGC is affiliated with Paramount is WRONG. MGC has first-look deals with Columbia Pictures and Touchstone Television. That's a fact, so sayeth the Hollywood Creative Directory. Look it up www.hcdonline.com
ANTSYPANTSY
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 15th, 2007
03:02:32 PM
I'm not upset at all. You seem to be the one getting upset. I know that you site other scoops, but I didn't see any before June 21st, which is when AICN first started talking about this. Sorry if I missed that...can you please post the link here?
Wonka you have talking bunny???
by PROF IKAMONO
Jul 15th, 2007
03:04:37 PM
...does it speak French like your cat Henri???
Wood on the fire
by derf24
Jul 15th, 2007
03:06:12 PM
you guys are keeping this voltron bullshit going by respond to the dumb ass dude mrx67. Go back to the original thread and lets figure this shit out.
I don't even have a non-talking bunny
by BadMrWonka
Jul 15th, 2007
03:08:09 PM
it just sounded as ludicrous as possible, and since I was trying to parallel MRX67, I thought it appropriate.
It's not Voltron.
by Mr. Nice Gaius
Jul 15th, 2007
03:09:22 PM
VOLTRON did not take place on Earth. Nor would any filmmaker in their right fucking mind make a VOLTRON movie as told through the lenses of hand-held video cameras.

THANK YOU.

Finis.

Its the Six Million Dollar man
by Phategod1
Jul 15th, 2007
03:09:55 PM
01/18/75 Lee majors Invaded our TV's now it's new Yorks turn.
The movie is Godzilla... VS Cthulhu!
by Boondock Devil
Jul 15th, 2007
03:09:56 PM
Only the greatest monster movie fight never filmed. Yet.
good call derf
by rdsxfan8
Jul 15th, 2007
03:10:25 PM
Im through with this nonsense. like i said lets be the first to figure this out on here than see who uses out info as an exclusive report and takes our credit...
It's KoRn
by Phategod1
Jul 15th, 2007
03:11:43 PM
01/18/71 Jonathon Davis's birth day Hello NYC is going to get Rocked to death LiiL
Antsypantsy...
by TheRealMoriarty
Jul 15th, 2007
03:13:11 PM
... you're an idiot. There's not a single post on the IMDb boards from before July 2nd. We posted our first detailed story on June 21st. Now, I'm not sure if your mommy has explained the calendar to you yet, but "June" comes before "July," okay?
RUMOR CONTROL!!!
by wackybantha
Jul 15th, 2007
03:14:14 PM
CLOVERFIELD is NOT the new RAINBOW BRITE live-action film!!!
Mori
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 15th, 2007
03:15:30 PM
I asked the guy to post a link to a scoop that predates the one here, but got called a blind moron in return. Personally, I can't believe this guy isn't writing for Time.
BLADE RUNNER STORY!!!
by wackybantha
Jul 15th, 2007
03:16:42 PM
Can someone at AICN please fill us in on why the Blade Runner: The Final Cut's supposedly new opening titles article was pulled?
MRX67
by BadMrWonka
Jul 15th, 2007
03:17:20 PM
so that was 1., I'm assuming the rest are to follow.

but alredy you've fallen into one of the most common logical fallacies. this is expecially common with conspiracy theorists.

just because the small problems you list with the IMDB page for Voltron, combined with a very generous interpretation of the possibilities of the 1-18-08 page, mean that is is REMOTELY POSSIBLE they are the same movie, it does not mean it is PROOF they are the same movie. this is logical fallacy. some people call it the "fallacy of composition", but that's slightly different, in actuality.

wackybantha & BLADE RUNNER Titles
by Mr. Nice Gaius
Jul 15th, 2007
03:18:54 PM
No official explanation was given on the site. However, if you were to check out the YouTube profile of the guy who posted the title sequence, you would find that he had two different versions and noted what the changes were between them.

In other words, it was not legit.

MRX67
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 15th, 2007
03:19:20 PM
Good call!!! Only they're two different movies!!! So what you said means absolutely nothing!!! Now, why don't you just explain to all of us idiots about the clue in the third picture.
SoylentMean
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 15th, 2007
03:20:41 PM
Acid saliva would be good. Also, if any piece you cut off of him grew into another giant monster.
RE: ANTSYPANTSY
by Mr. Nice Gaius
Jul 15th, 2007
03:21:12 PM
What the hell are we supposed to call this blogspot shilling douchebag? Is it ANTSYPANTSY. Or is it Arthur?

I'm voting for SHITSPANTSY myself...

MRX67
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 15th, 2007
03:21:35 PM
No, dude. We're just a little short on crazy around here and I want you to inject a little more.
Voltron? Really??
by Boondock Devil
Jul 15th, 2007
03:22:45 PM
I wish I can say that I'm shocked that a few people really believe that this movie is going to be Voltron. I have to agree with the majority who thinks it would be the worst marketing idea ever to have a movie like Voltron and not let the masses know what's coming. It might not have the name recognition of Transformers but it's pretty damn close.

All I'm really expecting from this movie is a well-made monster-attacks-city film with a more human POV with the handheld cameras.

Mr. Nice Gaius
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 15th, 2007
03:23:16 PM
Believe me, you don't need to resort to name-calling to make this guy look like an idiot. He is attacking bad reprting with more bad reporting. That says it all. He is "fact-checking" facts with things that...wait for it...aren;t facts themselves.
MRX67
by BadMrWonka
Jul 15th, 2007
03:23:32 PM
you haven't forgotten about the rest of my points, have you?

you wanted facts and explanations, I gave them to you.

or do you want to ignore them, because your fantasy is a little shaky when it comes to solid data and facts?

if you're joking (and I still think it's 50/50, since I can't imagine you are serious, and yet smart enough to have figured out how to type), then I'm gonna make you pay, brother!

and if you're serious, well, god help you. you're not going to win this debate. your only chance to to fling your arms up and run away, as you just implied you were going to.

MRX: my bunny can talk!

BadMrWonka: "OK, let's hear it."

MRX: "prove to me it can't talk!"

BadMrWonka: "OK, well, no bunny in history has ever spoken. their vocal chords are not developed in a way to create speech. I've never heard this bunny talk, nor has anyone else. how ar those for facts?" MRX: "um...why can't anyone give me evidence that this bunny can't talk? I give up, I'm leaving. and I'm taking my bunny!"

SoylentMean
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 15th, 2007
03:24:36 PM
Hey, I didn't say it would be original...just cool.
This is so doable for $30 million.
by Bronx Cheer
Jul 15th, 2007
03:25:16 PM
If you don't have to go "outside" the home video footage, you'll almost never see anything expensive, just a bunch of cowering and whimpering hipsters.
GeneralJackCosmo
by Mr. Nice Gaius
Jul 15th, 2007
03:27:01 PM
Roger that. But when he took the "Oooh I'm getting the AICN Morons Upset" route, I just decided a good ol' AICN nickname was in order.
MRX67
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 15th, 2007
03:27:13 PM
So help us out and explain the clue in the third picture.
Red Ned, Gorgo was the first time I felt empathy.
by Bronx Cheer
Jul 15th, 2007
03:27:52 PM
First time I felt empathy for anything. I think I cried. I still hate the British to this day for capturing Gorgo.
Soylent Mean, I think the Creature might be from...
by Bronx Cheer
Jul 15th, 2007
03:28:48 PM
Jersey, which would explain the terror caused by the water, as it probably hates bathing. HA!
SoylentMean
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 15th, 2007
03:28:53 PM
No offense taken at all. I just couldn't think of anything else, and, personally, I think it would fucking suck to have to deal with something that you couldn't wound for fear of having multiple somethings to deal with...that you can't wound.
MRX67
by BadMrWonka
Jul 15th, 2007
03:30:03 PM
you sound like a broken record. stop making grandiose statements and take my points one by one...

if you really think your position is logical and defensible, they you would have no problem going logically through the points I made.

if, on the other hand, your position is shaky, and indefensible on the basis of logic and reason, then you would keep making the same vague complaints over and over again.

which of these describes what you're doing?

(also, google, the logical fallacy "appeal to probability"...it perfectly describes your mistaken rationale for everything you're claiming to be factually true)

BadMrWonka
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 15th, 2007
03:31:45 PM
I'm telling you...we've been through ALL THIS BEFORE...hasn't even slowed him down...
ZizzleSolizzle
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 15th, 2007
03:33:27 PM
Fo shizzle.
I know, General
by BadMrWonka
Jul 15th, 2007
03:35:15 PM
I'm not allowing someone to piss on my church, the church of logic and reason.

if he wants to ignore reality and reason, he's entitled. but he's NOT entitled to claim that the facts are on his side. they are not.

he's either going to leave with his tail between his legs (as he's sort of tried to do), or he's going to admit that he's basing his belief on faith and hope, not logic and reason.

no one pisses on my church!

why do people think this is Voltron?
by drave117
Jul 15th, 2007
03:35:43 PM
I'm not trying to be mean, I honestly want to know. I was under the impression that the rumor got started purely because somebody misheard a line in the trailer, and thought the guy said "I saw it, it's a lion, it's huge!" but obviously there must be more to it than that. I just can't see it. I can't see any possible connection between Voltron and this project.
MRX67
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 15th, 2007
03:36:30 PM
There are a number of Paramount movies in development that don't have links or mention on the Paramount site. Also, check out this site - http://www.apple.com/trailers/ #section=studios - it lists 01.18.08 as a Paramount movie...oh, wait, maybe Apple is in on it, too...
Also, of course,
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 15th, 2007
03:37:43 PM
the fucking Paramount logo is IN THE TRAILER
MRX67
by BadMrWonka
Jul 15th, 2007
03:39:58 PM
again, the SAME LOGICAL FALLACY!!!! just because something COULD be true, does not mean it IS true. this is the "appeal to probability" fallacy, and is almost universally used in conspiracy theories.

you still have not given ONE fact. you call what you're saying facts, but they are not. if I sneeze, and then the house next door blows up. I did NOT cause it, simply because one happened right after the other!!!!! post hoc, ergo propter hoc!!!!

I love these things
by Pr_Frink
Jul 15th, 2007
03:43:25 PM
Always a few people who take this shit personally and get into massive arguments over a movie. Maybe that's what this movie is about. An over-zealous fan goes nuts and starts destroying New York because Optimus had flames. I'd see that. Definitely sounds like a parasite to me.
MR X-67...
by Cadillac Jones
Jul 15th, 2007
03:48:05 PM
...you, sir, are a Fruit Loop! 101% Pure, Unfiltered, Whack-Jobiness!

I am still waiting for your bunny to talk.

If this *IS* Cthulhu...
by Cadillac Jones
Jul 15th, 2007
03:51:26 PM
...will he have flames and/or nipples or possibly both?!
very repetitive
by derf24
Jul 15th, 2007
03:57:51 PM
noone is searching for clue only now everyone is obsessed on Mr.X67 Nothing is moving forward because everyone is stuck on how fucking dumb all of Mrx67's statements are. Hes is taking everyone on a ride and im sure he is getting a kick out of this. Please draw your attention to the problem at hand and lets figure this shit out.
The VOLTRON rumors are for shits and giggles.
by Ringwearer9
Jul 15th, 2007
03:59:19 PM
Someone mistook "it's alive" for "it's a lion" and the jokesters started pretending to take it seriously. Then the humorless pedants started lecturing everyone on how stupid the Voltron idea was, which caused the jokesters to roll on the floor laughing, and to repost the Voltron idea over and over again, just to watch the pedants foam at the mouth. Yes, Mori, I'm talking about you.
drave117 i am right with you
by slappy jones
Jul 15th, 2007
04:05:45 PM
I never understood how anyone could seriously think this was voltron?? very very strange and to the guy who said all the secrecy reeks ofpretentcious overblown bullshit...there was a time when a film came out we didn't know much about it. all we had was a trailer, a poster and some lobby cards. we didn't know every detailsof everything before it was released and we certainly couldn't hunt out fucking scripy reviews before the thing had been shot. I am glad to see a film try to hold back from us and surprise us. I am glad to see a studio not ram something down our throats and if they play it the same way all the way through and it still gets overhyped the only people to blame will be us.
see now, the cycle continues
by BadMrWonka
Jul 15th, 2007
04:12:28 PM
MRX67 gets faced with undeniable logic, and so he runs off for a while. then he comes back a bouple hours later, as though nothing has happened, and says something to the effect of, "no one has given me any evidence it's not Voltron!!"

it's kind of cut, he's done it exactly like that for a few days now. I'm just hoping something new will come alone to shut him up. but given that he seems incapable of graping even the most simple points of logic, I can't see what that would be.

I could care less about Voltron, I just hate people making logical fallacies!

GENTLEMAN!
by SLURPIEGOD
Jul 15th, 2007
04:26:54 PM
Just thought I'd Interject some research into the fun yet repetitive jackassery -

1. "It's Alive, It's Huge" - Largest living animal - A Great Blue whale(see Slusho site for various whale refrences.)

2. "Parasite" name attached to project - Whales eat krill and copepoda, the latter being a parasite.

Lets speculate that the "secret ingredient" in Slusho! is in fact a parasitic copepoda with unknown properties capable of manipulating it's host life form.

Any Takers??

I vote for Cthulhu. I'd rather see a Cthulhu movie
by superninja
Jul 15th, 2007
04:31:29 PM
done in this style. Slusho history talks about their secret ingredient from the bottom of the ocean which fits with R'lyeh's location from The Call of Cthulhu. In that story it says the Old Ones communicate with humans through dreams, and in the Slusho history, Ganu the scientist who creates Slusho is communicated to via a dream telling him how to use the secret incredient found at the bottom of the ocean. So we have Ganu taking advice from the "whale" of how go from being a small fish (a nobody) to an enormous whale (great). This is always how trouble starts in mythology and Biblical stories, btw. In The Call of Cthulhu, the Old Ones need outside assistance to free them. Once free, they would then revive Cthulhu. "It's alive, it's huge," could accurately describe Cthulhu. Or it could describe something else as Cthulhu and the Old Ones are a vanguard for an extraterrestrial invasion. Perhaps they're attempting to throw people off by bringing in the Japanese element to make people think campy and monster movie, but it's obvious Slusho is slightly sinister despite its appearance and this could just be backstory for the movie.
Comedy gold!!!
by Hugh G Rekshun
Jul 15th, 2007
04:32:39 PM
This is one of the more entertaining Talkbacks for sure. MRX is fucking with you guys so bad. He has to goofing, because it is physically impossible for anyone to be that dumb. Anyone that stupid would be incapable of typing a coeherent sentence, let alone operate a computer.
Symbolism on the Slusho site.
by superninja
Jul 15th, 2007
04:58:26 PM
Boy and girl represent male and female.

Animals possibly represent evolutionary clades (since Slusho is mutagenic potentially): birds, amphbians, mammals, fish.

ANTSYPANTSY
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 15th, 2007
04:58:47 PM
I remember reading the bit on this project back in June, man. I look at AICN every day and I'm a fan of the Dark Tower series, so I remember looking at the scoop when it first appeared. Of course, I lied about having worked for Ed Pressman, so I'm probably lying about this, too.
Genetic tampering is real-life scary and it definitely
by superninja
Jul 15th, 2007
05:02:23 PM
fits with the Godzilla theme of technology gone awry, but if this is some monstrous genetic creation gone awry and that's it? BORING. Unless they set it in the 60s and make it deliberately campy. Which they haven't. It needs more Cthulhu! Bring on the metaphysical scares.
...i find ZombieSolutions' argument for Voltron...
by PROF IKAMONO
Jul 15th, 2007
05:02:55 PM
...far more convincing than MRX37's, however...

...the bunny gives this away...

...it's...

DOMO-KUN!!!

Okay, Then...
by TheRealMoriarty
Jul 15th, 2007
05:09:16 PM
... if you're just going to use the talkbacks to lie and slander me, then you can fuck off, Antsy. Enjoy your blog.
I dunno about the lampost
by McClane_Corleone
Jul 15th, 2007
05:10:16 PM
But they definitly need to fix the size of the Statue of Liberty's head. WAAAAAAAY too small.
Jeez
by SLURPIEGOD
Jul 15th, 2007
05:11:00 PM
We have quite the social experiment going here courtesy of J.J. Abrams.

Now which one of us is going to press the button??

Prof. Ikamono...
by TheRealMoriarty
Jul 15th, 2007
05:11:02 PM
... I never said anything about the people saying, "This is in the style of..." since it's obvious you guys are on the right track. There are definite kaiju influences, and anyone dealing with giant monsters from the sea is traveling ground covered by Lovecraft previously. My point was only for people who are so literal minded that they could only imagine this as an actual GODZILLA remake or an official Lovecraft adaptation.

Or *sigh* VOLTRON.

I doubt they would sell Voltron this low tech.
by superninja
Jul 15th, 2007
05:11:04 PM
If you're going to rope in people watching a movie about lion robots that form a giant robot fighting an alien invasion they have: 1) a massive scale problem, and 2) questionable production values. Now, the script synopsis of Voltron on Latino Review admittedly sounds sort of retardedly low-tech apocalyptic nonsense with some room for big special effects - you know, uncreative like most Hollywood adaptations - but it also sounds like something Mike Bay would shoot, so that rules this trailer out.
Where's my Visionaries movie???
by J-Dizzle
Jul 15th, 2007
05:11:06 PM
And this isn't an attack Moriarty,
by McClane_Corleone
Jul 15th, 2007
05:11:26 PM
But why the Hell do you guys have an ad for Captivity on this site?
Robert Knepper as Roland
by smackfu
Jul 15th, 2007
05:11:53 PM
Sounds strange but take a long hard look at this guy and tell me he doesn't look like a centuries old Gunslinger, weathered, beaten, and worn.
As Far As The BLADE RUNNER Thing...
by TheRealMoriarty
Jul 15th, 2007
05:12:29 PM
... I think Merrick posted the YouTube link, and then realized it was a student project on cutting titles. That's why he took it back down. I think he's just super-excited about the new BLADE RUNNER, so jumped the gun a bit.
SHITSPANTSY
by Mr. Nice Gaius
Jul 15th, 2007
05:12:46 PM
You're either an idiot or intentionally daft. Were people talking about CLOVERFIELD before AICN wrote a story about it? Sure. But I don't think discussion on an IMDB messageboard amounts to much of a news source/heads-up-type scoop. What makes you think they were the intitial source for this stupid movie? Hell, they probably got half their conjecture from the LOST forums (which actually have a direct connection to Mr. Abrams) anyway. So, what's your point Arthur?
This trailer, and if true, the look of the film being
by superninja
Jul 15th, 2007
05:12:50 PM
shot via camcorder, honor the spirit of the documentary style of The Call of Cthulhu.
McClane...
by TheRealMoriarty
Jul 15th, 2007
05:13:48 PM
... that's pretty much the proof that we on the editorial side have nothing to do with the ads. I wish to god we didn't have those ads here, but we don't have the ability to pick and choose what gets ad space. That's handled by someone entirely different than us.
From everything I've seen
by McClane_Corleone
Jul 15th, 2007
05:14:26 PM
AICN was the first to break the Cloverfield story. I hadn't been interested because I knew nothing about it, but this was the only site I'd seen the name "Cloverfield" on for the last month or so.
Whoops, nevermind.
by Mr. Nice Gaius
Jul 15th, 2007
05:15:39 PM
I think I got my answer.
Yeah Mori
by McClane_Corleone
Jul 15th, 2007
05:16:01 PM
I finally completely disbelieve the conspiracy theories about payola and aicn.
Actually, Mr. Nice Gaius...
by TheRealMoriarty
Jul 15th, 2007
05:16:44 PM
... they weren't. That's my point. There was no discussion of CLOVERFIELD anywhere until we broke the story. No one had any details about it. The closest anyone came was when Latino Review was betting Harry that JJ Abrams wasn't making STAR TREK because he was doing something called CLOVERFIELD instead. But they had no idea what it was, and many people at the time guessed it was just another cover title for STAR TREK.

Despite what the now-absent Antsy said, we broke this one. And I can't backdate stories. They're stamped when they are published, and the talkbacks below each story should prove that conclusively.

The documentary about how AICN broke the
by superninja
Jul 15th, 2007
05:18:15 PM
Cloverfield story would probably be more interesting than the final product. However, it will, no doubt, be better than Transformers. :D
Hey Moriarty
by McClane_Corleone
Jul 15th, 2007
05:18:47 PM
Shouldn't you be at a wedding or something?
Calling me a liar?
by FlatChestedHarmony
Jul 15th, 2007
05:20:04 PM
Let's talk about the information that Harry withheld when he was trying to sell your script. Or let's talk about the expose that FilmThreat did on you guys. I'm all up for taking about lies. Arthur http://wewerethecoolkids.blogs pot.com
Mori
by BadMrWonka
Jul 15th, 2007
05:24:53 PM
thanks for clearing this stuff up. I wish the conspiracy theorists would at least contain their zeal to the search for more info regarding the film, rather than the search for more revisionist history regarding AICN's contribution. (as if JJ personally writing Harry a note wasn't proof enough of AICN's importance in breaking this stuff).

but as you can see in the other talkback, 3000 posts later, and we're nowhere. all we have are morons talking about Voltron, ridiculous anagrams, and asinine numerology wackos.

is there anything you can suggest, however vague you might have to be, to get us on the right track towards more websites/information about this project? Abrams seemed to imply gidily that there was more out there, and that he hoped we would find it, but I think we need more than our little nerdlinger team. we need a hint or two.

or do we simply have to wait for more photos, and more Slusho?

Moriarty - That's what I thought as well.
by Mr. Nice Gaius
Jul 15th, 2007
05:24:53 PM
My conceit that there might have been previous discussion stems from what I've heard being theorized on the LOST Forums.

I'm not sure what this guy thinks he's trying to prove but it sounds like he's got a little hard-on for AICN.

Cheers.

FlatChestedAntsy
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 15th, 2007
05:26:34 PM
Let's talk about where you saw a story before June 21st on "Cloverfeld". You still haven't proven the truth of your initial allegations.
BadMrWonka is right
by McClane_Corleone
Jul 15th, 2007
05:27:14 PM
We're like the Scooby gang and the aicn staff is like the Harlem Globetrotters. We need help just this once.
Oh General
by FlatChestedHarmony
Jul 15th, 2007
05:28:01 PM
You honestly believe that AICN talked about "Cloverfield" before anyone else anywhere on the net? Deluded much? Arthur http://wewerethecoolkids.blogs pot.com
FlatChestedHarmony (aka SHITSPANTSY)
by Mr. Nice Gaius
Jul 15th, 2007
05:30:35 PM
Seriously. What's your point?
Attack of the 100' Feinstein
by BillyPilgrim
Jul 15th, 2007
05:32:09 PM
I reiterate the facts.

1. The State of California produces most of the cheese in the US.

2. The Donkey is the symbol of the Democratic party.

3. The color blue is symbolic of California being a blue state.

4. The oven mitt is to handle the burning rage of the beast.

With these facts in had the movie is thus. A geneticly engineered 100 foot tall U.S. Senator named Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) is hunting down the "parasite" George Bush. He is visiting the United Nations when Feinstein is loosed by the DNC. Hilarity ensues. No Voltron. No Cthulhu. No Godzilla. Just a giant pissed off Democrat.

Oh wow!
by FlatChestedHarmony
Jul 15th, 2007
05:32:40 PM
Don't you love how in denial people are? And pointing out my old name as if I tried to hide it? Moriarty can make you people believe anything apparently. Arthur http://wewerethecoolkids.blogs pot.com
I thought that Cloverfield was a Merchant Ivory film
by Boondock Devil
Jul 15th, 2007
05:32:42 PM
Atleast that's what I was thinking when I saw that in a topic a few weeks back.

Can I also just throw in... why not Mothra? Everybody just jumped on the Godzilla bandwagon. Hell why not Gamera? That would be the shite.

Antsy
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 15th, 2007
05:33:22 PM
I will shut the fuck up about this forever if you can show me one single link to a scoop about this project anywhere before June 21st. Just show me a link. If you can't, then drop it because you have no evidence to back up your allegations. I'm not talking about any script review or whatever...I'm saying show me proof someone else was talking about this movie. If you can't do that, then stop talking down to me like I'M some kind of idiot, because you're completely disingenuous and what you're doing is called LIBEL. When I accuse someone of something, I am prepared to back it up. Obviously you are not.
General
by FlatChestedHarmony
Jul 15th, 2007
05:38:52 PM
Google is an amazing search tool. It will take you seconds to find mountains of proof of discussion of this film before AICN. Literally seconds. And don't barf out the word "libel" at me and then defend people like Moriarty and Harry. Arthur http://wewerethecoolkids.blogs pot.com
BillyPilgrim
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 15th, 2007
05:39:12 PM
Once again, I am sold.
I think the saddest thing online
by BadMrWonka
Jul 15th, 2007
05:42:02 PM
in any form (video games, forums, talkbacks, blogs) is when someone gets banned, then comes back in a different form to whine more.

it makes me chuckle, but then sigh at how shitty it must feel like to be that guy...it's like the kid who grabs the ball and throws it over the fence because he can't play the game...

hence the irony of this troll's blog name...

maybe him and MRX67 are long lost brothers. both of them seem to ignore the obvious fallacy in making an unusual claim, and then asking others to disprove it.

GIVE...US...A...LINK...a nd not to somewhere mentioning the name, people had a name. but to some legitimate info about the project.

do YOU have a talking pet bunny as well?

Where's my recognition, damnit, Mori?
by The Dum Guy
Jul 15th, 2007
05:42:30 PM
I believe that the first thing I heard about this was it was supposed to be Dark Tower (I know now it is not), and if I remember correctly it was from a post I did on a previous thread that Mori first said anything about.... Now, why Mori just say that, that's all I want, attention, because I'm an attention whore...(this entire post was done out of boredom, I do not in any way advocate or condone attention whoredom).
FCH
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 15th, 2007
05:43:14 PM
Again, don't talk down to me like I'm a fucking idiot when it would be extremely simple to show me what an idiot I am assuming you're not completely full of shit. Take a few seconds and post a link or two here to make me eat my words...which I will gladly do and admit that I am wrong and you are right...and on top of that, you will have PROVEN what a bunch of fucking liars Harry, Mori, et al. are.
Yes Wonka You're Right
by FlatChestedHarmony
Jul 15th, 2007
05:44:26 PM
Millions of people online and AICN was the first to talk about "Cloverfield". And clouds are made of cotton candy and the Easter Bunny is real. Arthur http://wewerethecoolkids.blogs pot.com
"Did you order the code red!?"
by Boondock Devil
Jul 15th, 2007
05:45:13 PM
Google is an amazing search tool.

I might use that to answer anything now. Thanks.

FCH
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 15th, 2007
05:46:22 PM
So where's the link? Put your money where your mouth is.
brother
by BadMrWonka
Jul 15th, 2007
05:47:38 PM
more vague (and unfunny) references...

you want to give us a link? as we've asked half a dozen times?

you make a claim, you have to prove it. YOU have the burden of proof.

did you go to high school?

GIVE US A LINK...how many times do we have to ask you?

I discovered gravity!
by tango fett
Jul 15th, 2007
05:47:40 PM
give me credit. God knows I deserve it. suck it dry, kids! see how easy it is when noone knows you to pretend you are amazing, yet you offer no proof? now please, uh...Fatchestharmonica guy, make with the evidence or fuck off! and way to rock, Mori.
BadMrWonka
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 15th, 2007
05:48:59 PM
Dude, he's probably in high school now...
Flat Chest
by rhialto
Jul 15th, 2007
05:49:15 PM
The man's too good for proof. Or this site. Or probably life. Man, how sad do you have to be to have a jealous hate on for AICN? At least bump that shit up to Justin Timberlake or some shit.
Wow...and Mori...
by Red Ned Lynch
Jul 15th, 2007
05:49:23 PM
...I take the kids shopping and come back to check on this and...wow. And yeah, Mori, I thought you were specific enough yesterday when you said it wasn't Cthulhu that you meant it wasn't a direct adaptation of Lovecraft, which didn't seem very likely to me in the first place. But then some other people started screaming shut up whenever Lovecraft was mentioned, including some guy who insisted that the movie wasn't a remake of Lovecraft. Too bad, really. That would have been quite the experience. And Abrams has already danced around that territory, with Lost (ancient four toed statue, the Others who are nearly but not quite us and somehow seemingly in service to something other than humanity, the amorphous monster that can savagely kill or drive you mad, now the fact that once touched by the island you seem somehow "marked"). So saying Lovecraftian in this case is pretty much just a way to differentiate dumb monster from directed monster and random rampage from something with deeper and or broader implications.
FlatChestedHarmony = Already in deflection mode.
by Mr. Nice Gaius
Jul 15th, 2007
05:50:13 PM
"Millions of people online and AICN was the first to talk about "Cloverfield"."

Well, if Google is so handy, please provide us with the link to the first person to discuss CLOVERFIELD. Should be easy enough, right?

wewerethecoolkids

Y ou WERE? I wonder what happened...

rhialto
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 15th, 2007
05:51:45 PM
ANTSY: "He didn't bring sexy back. That's a fucking lie. There are literally millions of people who brought sexy back before him. Just use google."
and again...
by BadMrWonka
Jul 15th, 2007
05:51:57 PM
(we seem to have to say everything 4 times) we're not talking about mentions, we're talking about INFORMATION...if you read the initial article Mori linked to, from June 21st, they obviously had a bead on everything that was going on, form the production, to the trailer.

and you had the stones to claim Mori ALTERED the date of the article?

are you going to apologize, since that's blatantly untrue?

or are you going to ignore what I just wrote...again? I bet on the latter...

STOP CRYING MORI
by gambit88
Jul 15th, 2007
05:52:19 PM
Its really pathetic and nobody cares.
gambit88
by BadMrWonka
Jul 15th, 2007
05:54:04 PM
he proved his point, and kicked the troll out. he hasn't said a word since.

who's crying?

you shame the name of Gambit, sir...

I just wish
by jelac07
Jul 15th, 2007
05:54:37 PM
that Abrams would confirm whether or not he have an ARG or not... so I can quit wasting my time, if its not.
Hey, Mr. Nice Gaius...
by Red Ned Lynch
Jul 15th, 2007
05:57:40 PM
...does this MRX cat remind you amazingly of old what's his name of the BSG talkbacks? Seems the same...hmmm...style. You had to put up with him a lot more than I did so I wondered if you had a feel.
Parasite Movie Link Changed?
by ChubbyActionFigure
Jul 15th, 2007
06:03:32 PM
Now the http://www.parasitemovie.com link goes to 01-18-08.com ?? Strange?
Hey, Red Ned Lynch!
by Mr. Nice Gaius
Jul 15th, 2007
06:05:37 PM
Caught your post in that other TB. Long time, no read indeed!

I assume you are referring to JJ4P (aka Vog/by by/OW4P, etc.)? Nah, I don't think it's him. He's not trying to "PWN" everyone in the room. As a matter of fact, his most recent incarnation, Tegujai Batir, appears to have been given the boot, too. Serves him right.

theparasitemovie
by rhialto
Jul 15th, 2007
06:06:51 PM
is a fake site. Nothing strange about that.
Mr. Nice Gaius
by Red Ned Lynch
Jul 15th, 2007
06:10:03 PM
Yeah, I kind of figured if he was you'd have already called him on it. It was the cut and paste reposting of his whole "argument" that made me suspicious. And his insistence that uninformed opinion was the same thing as fact. Yeah, I know. It's the internet, those traits aren't that uncommon.
NEXT YEARS LITTLE MISS CANNIBAL HOLOCAUST
by Stuntcock Mike
Jul 15th, 2007
06:17:06 PM
I cant wait.
David Spade
by Kenobi-fan
Jul 15th, 2007
06:18:21 PM
Seriously, is someone going to say I loved this movie the first time when it was called: (choose your film)? ;)
Red Ned Lynch
by Mr. Nice Gaius
Jul 15th, 2007
06:20:08 PM
RE: "It's the internet, those traits aren't that uncommon."

Ha! Very true. However, in this particular case, I think MRX67 is just too nice!

Probably true, Mr. Nice Gaius...
by Red Ned Lynch
Jul 15th, 2007
06:25:47 PM
...and at least this guy had some genuinely amusing material with the donkey/cheese/overmitt thing. By the way, I noticed the r instead of n in overmitt, but overmitt kind of creeps me out so I'm going to let it stand.
Waaaaah! I'm important! Waah! Acknowledge me!
by googamooga
Jul 15th, 2007
06:26:20 PM
So you broke the story here, so what? The people on this site (and Harry is the worst) sometimes start believing their own hype. They forget that they are the loser-geeks who used to play D&D during lunch in school and that they write for a fan based movie website and instead start believing they are legitimate reporters. Quit yer' bitchin', you ain't never gonna win a pulitzer, and you'll never be one of the "in" crowd in Hollywood. Don't you people realize that the people who ARE a part of that world are laughing AT you, not WITH you?
Hm. So Lost is Lovecraftian? I never watched it
by superninja
Jul 15th, 2007
06:26:25 PM
before, but that just made it sound more interesting at least.
googamooga
by BadMrWonka
Jul 15th, 2007
06:29:14 PM
you're here too, asshat.

if someone claimed on their little blog, something about you that was false, and you had a pulpit to denounce it, you would, too.

unfortunately, your pulpit is about as big as the square around your last talkback comment.

so hush up.

googamooga
by rhialto
Jul 15th, 2007
06:30:27 PM
Project much?
Whoa
by SLURPIEGOD
Jul 15th, 2007
06:34:34 PM
According to wikipedia -

"Oven Mitt (and its verb tense, oven mitting) can refer to the act of a female tea-bag maneuver"

Just what is the Slusho Horse thinking of?

SoylentMean
by BadMrWonka
Jul 15th, 2007
06:45:42 PM
you never have much to say, other than negativity, and redundant comments.

you and Jimmy_009 aren't the same person, are you?

slusho
by rdsxfan8
Jul 15th, 2007
06:49:41 PM
the official hatorade of AICN. bet you cant hate on 6 different people after drinking slusho..
Damn. I missed that whole "overmitt" thing.
by Mr. Nice Gaius
Jul 15th, 2007
06:51:32 PM
I'm familiar with ovenmitts but not "overmitts". Now that sounds Lovecraftian!
"an oil tanker flipping over by the Statue of Liberty"
by Mace Tofu
Jul 15th, 2007
06:54:23 PM
From Mori first post about the script. How would a oil tanker get to the Statue? GIANT MONSTER ATTACK? Anyway now we know why the head landed in the street maybe lol.
So ITS Offficial then!!
by Darth Hidious
Jul 15th, 2007
06:54:49 PM
Nobody on this talkback has any idea what this film is officially called or what its about!! Instead you have resorted to concentrating on 'What its not about' You have all taken the bait from the likes of 'MRX67' which then spawns posts from numptys live 'zombiesolutions'!! Mori has said his piece and is joining in the talkbacks - be thankful HE may or may not have given some extra clues - SO BASICALLY LETS GET BACK TO THE JOB AND SOLVE THIS FUCKING MYSTERY and totally blank MRX67 cos hes fuckin with us all!!!
I won't know much more until September
by BadMrWonka
Jul 15th, 2007
06:55:54 PM
gonan be travelling to seattle and new york for other projects in between now and then.

for now, I've taken a week off to relax, watch my new west wing DVD's, and grow back my goatee that I accidentally cut off with my new electric shaver, which I only bought because I won $1100 in a poker tournament at the bicycle casino and I swore that I should buy myself a gift to celebrate, and also, I was a little tipsy when I was trying it out.

wait, what was I talking about?

ah yes, the movie. I think it's 50/50 whether I get to direct it, but it's pretty certainly going to be made next year sometime. so exciting!

I think this goes to prove that Transformers sucks...

Mitt = heat, cheese = fermentation.
by superninja
Jul 15th, 2007
06:56:39 PM
Genetics.
VOLTRON GOTS 2 EAT 2
by djkrysiz
Jul 15th, 2007
07:02:21 PM
oil tanker...I was thinking truck, but if it's a ship
by Mace Tofu
Jul 15th, 2007
07:02:38 PM
That could be the Big Blast we see , an oil tanker ship blowing up next to the Statue of liberty = No Monsters?
I worked on a low budget lesbian slasher film
by BadMrWonka
Jul 15th, 2007
07:02:59 PM
worst experience of my LIFE...

my film is about a man and a woman, late 20's, who are each at separate parties in houses right next to each other. the woman is at a party wth a coworker much younger, it's sort of a kegger, and she feels out of place amongst the younger people...the guy is at the party next door, also with a coworker, but this one is a cocktail party, and everyone is older than him, and he feels uncomfortable. they both go into the backyards, where they see each other on the other side of a low fence, and they start talking.

in the meantime, the two parties sort of clash in the background, with subplots about characters infiltrating the other party, cops arriving, etc.

you see, it's a metaphor! young life, older life, the time in between where you don't know what the hell to do. after college, before marriage, etc.

at any rate, it's way too hot in my apartment. los angeles needs some RAIN!!

BadMrWonka
by Darth Hidious
Jul 15th, 2007
07:05:26 PM
Come to the UK its been raining for a month, its supposed to Summer here it sucks!!
Oil Tanker
by SLURPIEGOD
Jul 15th, 2007
07:08:22 PM
Yes, but what if it was Slusho in the tanker instead of oil? Slusho that became warm and unstable because of a freakishly warm January in New York?
I might be there in November, actually
by BadMrWonka
Jul 15th, 2007
07:09:21 PM
a friend I went to university with over on your island is getting married. but the girl I'm seeing can't go, and so I'm thinking it might be a hell of a trip for like 3 days with lots of champagne and no sex.
lol, thanks
by BadMrWonka
Jul 15th, 2007
07:10:44 PM
no gore, no tits, maybe not even any swearing, I'm not sure. there's a few f bombs in the script, but they don't really need to be there, and I bet they'll get changed.
Has anyone noticed...
by TheBlackKnight
Jul 15th, 2007
07:11:40 PM
While they run out of the building, there is a man on the right with a pinkish/red striped shirt. On his back is some white spot or circle. It just seems out of place on a collar shirt like that to have some spot that looks painted on.
Attention
by derf24
Jul 15th, 2007
07:16:21 PM
anyone here seriouly looking for clues on this should post on the original thread. there are alot of new ideas surfacing.
Why would the Statue of Liberty head go flying AFTER
by superninja
Jul 15th, 2007
07:19:52 PM
the initial explosion? Because it was thrown. My guess is that whatever it was that attacked the Statue of Liberty, examined it after the attack, then roared in anger, throwing its head.
Maybe the oil tanker hit a giant whale
by Mace Tofu
Jul 15th, 2007
07:20:37 PM
and that made it flip over. Then some dumbass on a tour of the statue of liberty flicks a lit cigarette into the water setting off the big explosion. Human error=no monsters.
12/21/2012?
by Pr_Frink
Jul 15th, 2007
07:21:30 PM
The world will end on my birthday. Cool.
Snin,Because the head flew up from the oil tanker blast
by Mace Tofu
Jul 15th, 2007
07:25:22 PM
and landed miles away. Anyone know how many seconds between the blast and the head hitting?
Remember the immortal words
by BillyPilgrim
Jul 15th, 2007
07:26:01 PM
of Sherlock Holmes. When you have eliminated the impossible then whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.
Why would it attack the Statue of Liberty. Maybe
by superninja
Jul 15th, 2007
07:26:22 PM
it thought it was alive? Maybe it hates freedom! Alert the Bush admin.
Paramount and Ethan Haas
by Scramble Network
Jul 15th, 2007
07:34:48 PM
Okay... this just isn't adding up. PARAMOUNT took the Ethan Haas clips down from YouTube. Only copyright owners can do that! And they don't own the ALPHA OMEGA rpg. Moriarty-- can you please clarify this?
Superninja,Mori's first post says the script has scene
by Mace Tofu
Jul 15th, 2007
07:35:39 PM
of oil tanker flipping over near the statue so it's not the statue that is getting attacked but the ship. Liberty just gets caught in the blast.
Scramble Network
by rhialto
Jul 15th, 2007
07:43:26 PM
Current theory is that the Ethan Haas people put Cloverfield and 01-18-08 in the keywords of the clips on youtube, which is why Paramount took them down, and why they are now back up.
SM, RTFA. Mori has a hotlink to the June 21st post
by Mace Tofu
Jul 15th, 2007
07:43:36 PM
and he mentions the two scenes from the script.
Ethan Haas / Paramount
by SLURPIEGOD
Jul 15th, 2007
07:44:49 PM
Paramount is the copyright holder of the name "Ethan Haas" From a CBS TV show called "The Class". Paramount owns CBS
Yeah, I see that reference. But I still question
by superninja
Jul 15th, 2007
07:46:23 PM
why after the initial explosion it would take so long for the head to follow if it was not being thrown. Especially given its size.
Yeah, I see that reference. But I still question
by superninja
Jul 15th, 2007
07:46:25 PM
why after the initial explosion it would take so long for the head to follow if it was not being thrown. Especially given its size.
Just a reminder
by Pr_Frink
Jul 15th, 2007
07:48:15 PM
Because a scene plays out in a certain way in a trailer doesn't mean that's the way it goes in the movie.
12/21/2012
by Hugh G Rekshun
Jul 15th, 2007
07:49:18 PM
Sounds about right...just enough time for Hillary Clinton to allow terrorists to take over.
Sorry for the DP.
by superninja
Jul 15th, 2007
07:49:59 PM
32 seconds
by Mace Tofu
Jul 15th, 2007
07:55:15 PM
Just checked the trailer and it is 32 seconds from Blast to head hitting. So how far is the party from Liberty island?
return of the antsy
by rhialto
Jul 15th, 2007
07:58:36 PM
Hey guys, I'm currently having the same argument with a dude I'm almost sure is antsy/flat chest over on the unfiction forums. Same hate for AICN, same total inability to come up with links to back up his claims, same claim that they're oh so easy to find. Guess he fled to another forum to continue the bs. The guy is certifiable.
Iti's not just the distance, the head seems larger
by superninja
Jul 15th, 2007
08:00:03 PM
than the other projectiles, it doesn't make sense.
even if the clips are out of sequence
by BadMrWonka
Jul 15th, 2007
08:02:24 PM
they are on the roof during the explosion. they are in the street when the head flies by. even if you assume they could get from the roof to the street in 45 seconds, that's too long for the head to have been sent flying directly from the explosion. something else happened in the meantime. QED.
It hits a building first and then falls to the ground
by superninja
Jul 15th, 2007
08:03:09 PM
so it had to be something forceful enough to send it through the air that distance and high enough to hit a building.
rhialto, tell him BadMrWonka said he's a coward...
by BadMrWonka
Jul 15th, 2007
08:03:58 PM
running away when people challenged him to come up with real answers. tell him not trip over the tail between his legs.
yosh
by rhialto
Jul 15th, 2007
08:06:20 PM
I will if it turns out to be him. Wouldn't be surprised if I already scared him off, though.
superninja
by BadMrWonka
Jul 15th, 2007
08:06:21 PM
it's clear something else happened, it's definite. think of it this way. the guy running by saw "it", right? so it has to have been close enough for him to have seen it fairly close before that.

so I think whatever "it" is, was right around that corner, and tossed the head from just out of view. that's my prediction.

Maybe the head bounced a few times before stopping
by Mace Tofu
Jul 15th, 2007
08:09:12 PM
that is why it took longer to get to the party.
come on, though
by BadMrWonka
Jul 15th, 2007
08:12:38 PM
it takes a while to get a crowd of people from the roof of an apartment building out onto the street. I mean 45 seconds is SO fast. it's a minute at least. you can't throw something in the air and have it land a minute later. unless it goes WAY higher than what we saw in the trailer.

someone tossed it, come on guys. or else it's part of something else. it's NOT part of the debris from the explosion we see in the trailer. it's impossible.

Bad Mr. Wonka, you are my new hero.
by The Rondo Hatton Blues Explosion
Jul 15th, 2007
08:13:25 PM
Ok, this about six hours late (been on the road), but I totally have to make a shirt that says "No one pisses on my church!" now.

Either that or have my 200th beer bronze plate at The Flying Saucer inscribed with your words of wisdom. I bow to the power of your verse.

Rob...
by SLURPIEGOD
Jul 15th, 2007
08:13:52 PM
looked guilty cause he asked for a little head at the party before he went away...
BadMrWonka, that's what I think as well.
by superninja
Jul 15th, 2007
08:14:37 PM
I'm glad you brought Mori's comment up anyway, Mace, because I kept thinking for some reason the monster was creating the explosion but if it pushed a tanker into the statue maybe it's just really big.
20 seconds to get from roof to street in trailer
by Mace Tofu
Jul 15th, 2007
08:16:12 PM
I just timed it and they run down in 20 seconds.
About the three roars...
by The Rondo Hatton Blues Explosion
Jul 15th, 2007
08:17:38 PM
Has anyone done any analying of them yet?

I read that they were a clue of sorts and thought I'd run them through Acid, geek about with their pitch, speed, etc.

Probably nothing there, but what the hell, I've got nothing else happening tonight.

koontz
by wyvern
Jul 15th, 2007
08:22:26 PM
Phantoms mentioned in a talkback?My day is complete.Thank you and goodnight.
Movie time is not real time
by Mace Tofu
Jul 15th, 2007
08:22:58 PM
Artistic licence lol Remember in ID4 planes and people and dogs could outrun giant 15 mile wide fireballs...
lol, Rondo
by BadMrWonka
Jul 15th, 2007
08:31:23 PM
thank you, but I bet if you made a t-shirt saying that, people would not quickly assume you were talking about "logic and reason"... ;o)
antsy harder?
by rhialto
Jul 15th, 2007
08:34:22 PM
http://tinyurl.com/ys4jdp Hard to tell if it's the same dude. Different writing style, same bs.
Mace Tofu, you've got it backwards...
by BadMrWonka
Jul 15th, 2007
08:35:39 PM
editing makes things go faster on screen than they are happening in real time within the filmic reality.

in other words, instead of showing the minute or two that is actually spent running through the stairwell in a panic, they show 20 seconds or so. but within the reality of the film, much more time has passed. it's too long for the head to be part of the original explosion.

plus, look at the angle it comes from, combined with the guy that just saw "it", PLUS the crowd of people sprinting away BEFORE the head starts flying in. they's a'running away from a'something biiig...

artistic license is relative
by BadMrWonka
Jul 15th, 2007
08:38:22 PM
if you make a movie with camcorders from people's perspective, you don't have as much artistic license, do you? it's "realism"!!

as much as it can be, considering it's about a sea monster, lol...

True.
by The Rondo Hatton Blues Explosion
Jul 15th, 2007
08:44:00 PM
But it would sure confuse the hell out of the mostly Southern Baptist population of dear ol' Columbia, SC.

" 'No one pisses on my church'? I don't know whether to condemn the boy or invite him to speak next Sunday!"

Thanks rhialto
by Scramble Network
Jul 15th, 2007
08:51:17 PM
That explains that. Wow... I sure did spend a lot of time on those puzzles... *grumble*
Yeah, but...
by Red Ned Lynch
Jul 15th, 2007
08:52:51 PM
...as they're running down the stairs it appears the camera goes off and on several times. For instance, we don't see them reach the landing. Therefore any kind of timing is pretty suspect and represents only an absolute minimum time between the events. For all we know these folks could have plunged down the stairs, stopped at the bottom, talked about how that monster roar and explosion were quite a surprise for an hour or so, then been frightened by something else and come outside. Or nearly anything else. Regardless, the angle at which the head hits the building doesn't really jive with a distant explosion and the vertical lift and drop that would have followed.
cmon mori
by jedimindflayer
Jul 15th, 2007
08:57:29 PM
there is absolutely no proof that 'cloverfield' isn't a cover; there are at least 2 big paramount projects either gearing up or just starting... couldn't this 'cloverfield' be a cover for some indy or trek action?
cover?
by rhialto
Jul 15th, 2007
09:03:53 PM
Cover what for what? What's the point? Why would anyone do that?
Why would you run out of the building and on to the
by superninja
Jul 15th, 2007
09:20:37 PM
street when crap was raining down on you from above? So, it must have stopped and people gathered outside to find out if anyone had seen something when it starts back up again.
Don't you all realize...
by JohnDeaux
Jul 15th, 2007
09:28:20 PM
That by fighting like this, you are all just letting the terrorists win?!?!? *Sigh* BTW...Fuck Voltron is his big maned ass. With a flaming sword.
I would like Godzilla's autograph, but only if it was
by superninja
Jul 15th, 2007
09:28:45 PM
the original man in suit Zilla and I was in Japan (not the crappy American version).
Kay
by GreenGeezer
Jul 15th, 2007
10:19:30 PM
nothing new, be back later for any updates.
Pyaaaaaw!
by micturatingbenjamin
Jul 15th, 2007
10:23:42 PM
Moriarty, tellin' it like it is. I remember reading this stuff when it came out. Because it was DT related. Fuck that guy and his plagiaristic arse. Slusho.jp is fucking whackadoo. What more proof do you need than the producer flat out saying...IT'S NOT VOLTRON! Jeebus. Take a breath, and wait for your giant lion robot movie with giant sword of heaven. Oh, and finally, they should make a Voltron movie about the Voltron that had cars and planes and all kinds of shit that made him a giant robot. That Voltron kicked ass!
Who cares?
by DARTH VOODOO
Jul 15th, 2007
10:25:12 PM
Abrams should be spending his time trying to get Shatner + Nimoy to be in Star Trek XI.
MrWONKA Re: editing makes things go faster on screen
by Mace Tofu
Jul 15th, 2007
10:39:38 PM
Then why do scenes where a bomb is ticking off the last 30 second countdown last 2-3 minutes in Hollywood action movies?
The ingredient is Noriko
by Zybon
Jul 15th, 2007
10:39:45 PM
Noriko was lost at sea after a parasite took over her body. The waste from this parasite was tasty and this monster was feasting on her deliciousness at the bottom of the ocean. Ganu took her and the monster wants his treats back.
Poster and Email from Slusho
by Ocean Wang
Jul 15th, 2007
10:47:14 PM
2 things, I emailed the address at Slusho and got a message back 24 hours later. Second, has anyone noticed the numbering in the We'll Miss You Poster at the website? There's a 7, a 9 and a 2 upside down in the letters E, L and L.
mace tofu
by BadMrWonka
Jul 15th, 2007
10:47:52 PM
does this situation seem like that to you?

you're talking about exteneded, dramatic effect. I'm talking about general rules of thumb in cinema.

at any rate, it's clear by now, I would hope, that the statue's head is not landing from the original explosion that the people saw...

THIS YEAR LITTLE POLYPS ON A PLANE!!!
by The Artist FKA Vesuvio
Jul 15th, 2007
10:50:59 PM
Actually, if its not Chtulhu I'm not interested.
RE: Why the head took so long to hit.
by Mace Tofu
Jul 15th, 2007
10:53:00 PM
When "IT" attacked the oil tanker it blew the whole Liberty statue into the air. When Liberty hit the street the head broke off and bounced around the city like a pinball untill it came to rest at the party. Untill all the camcorders are rounded up we will not know how many times the head bounced or what angles it took during it's 32 second journey. The kicker is in the movie 3 tourist walk out of the head after it lands and they tell the people in the street about the "MONSTER" attacking the oil tanker. One of the tourist turns out to be BORAT.
I think it's.....
by wackybantha
Jul 15th, 2007
10:57:01 PM
....STAR TREK. And the whole trailer takes place on some ship's holodeck. Of course, if the film takes place before the original series I don't think they had holodecks then. Right? Maybe THE BORG COLLECTIVE is attacking after traveling back in time. That would be awesome.
Someone please make a Voltron movie for ZombieS.
by superninja
Jul 15th, 2007
10:58:44 PM
Satoshi
by Ocean Wang
Jul 15th, 2007
10:59:03 PM
Did anyone else try emailing Satoshi?
Maybe it's the new CLASH OF THE TITANS!!!
by wackybantha
Jul 15th, 2007
11:00:49 PM
Somehow there is a wormhole that these TITANS use to come to our world.
Or maybe it's the shot-for-shot remake of..............
by wackybantha
Jul 15th, 2007
11:01:31 PM
....MASTERS OF THE UNIVERSE!!!
Yes, nothing happens.
by superninja
Jul 15th, 2007
11:02:33 PM
They've got 6 mos. to go, they're not going to
by superninja
Jul 15th, 2007
11:03:10 PM
be updating info every day I imagine.
Email from Satoshi
by Ocean Wang
Jul 15th, 2007
11:04:56 PM
This is copied verbatim from the email I recieved from satoshi@slusho.jp: -Slusho! loves your mails!! You Can't Drink Just Six!!!- It's an autoreply.
ME ME ME!!!!
by choonie
Jul 15th, 2007
11:06:25 PM
You Sound like a Big Baby Huey
Scramble Network: "PARAMOUNT took the Ethan Haas clips"
by hjrogers
Jul 15th, 2007
11:12:47 PM
Paramount did not take down the Ethan Haas clips.

I could put up a series of Voltron JPGs and state that Paramount made me take down the "super secret" stills that I had of the actual movie, so I was putting those up now.

How do you tie in your unrelated game to the Cloverfield trailer?

Put up one of your Ethan Haas videos and claim Paramount made you take the others down.

There is no reason for Paramount/Abrams to lie about the Ethan Haas crap being unrelated.

It's just some no-name company getting a lot of attention for no money.
Reply from Slushozoom
by techspec
Jul 15th, 2007
11:27:41 PM
I got a reply from the website . "It wasnt supposed to happen..it was an accident. intermixed with a bunch of non-sense characters.
More Viral Clues
by MasterExploder
Jul 15th, 2007
11:29:38 PM
Too bad too many fanyboys are bitching and bickering. I posted this several hours ago, and no one really noticed. slushozoom.com There are more clues. There are extra links at the bottom of the page, and invisotext too. I believe that the UFO portion even references the same Japanese town as the Slusho site (look for the ancient spacemen, or scubadivers who may have been mining the same ingredient that Slusho was made from). In any event, I hope some other people do some sleuthing. This is fun for the challenge alone. Abrams is at least making it interesting.
Why don't people like seeing New York destroyed?
by The Dum Guy
Jul 15th, 2007
11:31:35 PM
Would people prefer seeing Hoboken or Bismark getting whooped on?

I thought it was common cinematic knowledge that if Tokyo, L.A., or Boggey Creek isn't involved with a monster, then it is New York, New York they/it will go to. Even Gremlins 2 goes with the formula, and Q and, I'm not going to keep on.

Has anyone got any idea what other sites are out there, 'cause I tried using phrases from the trailer and got jack.
Pilgrim,what you didn't see CRITTERS or SPACED INVADERS
by Mace Tofu
Jul 15th, 2007
11:31:45 PM
or the upcoming AVP2? I think aliens attacked a trailer park in THE LAST STARFIGHTER.
Slusho Zoom
by Ocean Wang
Jul 15th, 2007
11:33:26 PM
At the Slusho Zoom site there is a hidden link to a soft drink called Cocaine and the dangers it poses.
Slusho Zoom
by Ocean Wang
Jul 15th, 2007
11:33:30 PM
At the Slusho Zoom site there is a hidden link to a soft drink called Cocaine and the dangers it poses.
THE SMOKE MONSTER MOVIE!!!
by wackybantha
Jul 15th, 2007
11:33:48 PM
'Nuff said!!!
Lack of Title, Budget, etc.
by XandmanFan
Jul 15th, 2007
11:35:02 PM
First, I've read some praise for the idea of leaving the title out of the trailer. Has anyone else considered the possibility that JJ hasn't decided on a title yet? Also, I don't know if there are any Firefly fans in here, but I could have sworn the movie Serenity was made for the $30-40 million range. On a side note, I wouldn't be surprised in Moriarty doesn't give us any more news from JJ for a while. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you...
If its a hallucination why
by Ocean Wang
Jul 15th, 2007
11:36:37 PM
If its a hallucination why is it on camcorder?
Aliens was made for $17 million
by Mace Tofu
Jul 15th, 2007
11:43:36 PM
And that is still the best monster movie. Nuf said.
Question, Moriarty.
by cogitosam
Jul 15th, 2007
11:45:04 PM
Did some insider tell you directing Cthulhu is wrong, or is there direct evidence it's wrong? There is evidence (suggestive) that it is. I agree that if it's not I am not interested. There have been too many big monsters, and something "new" wouldn't be, and not only would it not be better than big C, it wouldn't even be better than Godzilla (and that's bad). So do you know facts that eliminate Cthulhu?
Is WILL SMITH in this?
by Mace Tofu
Jul 15th, 2007
11:49:47 PM
HELLLL NOOOO! Pilgrim now your making this sound like the I AM LEGEND prequel.
They're going for NY because the UN is there.
by superninja
Jul 15th, 2007
11:49:47 PM
If you moved it to Paris they would attack the Eiffel Tower.
Wow Great minds think alike ganymede3010
by Mace Tofu
Jul 15th, 2007
11:52:49 PM
or is that Hollywood movie plots are alike?
If that is the movie and they piss everyone off by
by superninja
Jul 15th, 2007
11:54:46 PM
not explaining how the camcorder recorded all of their hallucinations, I think Abrams could kiss his fanbase goodbye. Needless to say, that's not the movie.
This movie is about
by Its a LION
Jul 16th, 2007
12:00:11 AM
the ThunderCats! Someone in the trailer clearly states, "It's a Lion-o!" And you gotta admit, Lady Liberty does look like Mumm-Ra in a certain kind of light. I can understand Lion-o's confusion there.
OMFGONAPS!!!!!
by The Dum Guy
Jul 16th, 2007
12:08:03 AM
Oh my freakin God on a pogo-stick, did someone bother making screen-name based on "Its a LION"? For the sake of humanity, I hope you are funny, so please joke away more, while J.J. laughs at the drivel that is being proposed as possible facts.

I don't see how in the hell you could get away with saying that it is all based on hallucinations, when they are shooting on video, whats the alternative, an invasion of Jihadistsisis with a weaponized hallucinagionic (I don't think that is a word).
So it's a $30 million dollar version of BOOK OF SHADOWS
by Mace Tofu
Jul 16th, 2007
12:08:05 AM
I liked BLAIR WITCH 2 better than BLAIR WITCH 1.
$18 millions, Mace Tofu
by BadMrWonka
Jul 16th, 2007
12:11:07 AM
but I get the point. of course, in my humble opinion, Aliens is nowhere near as good as Alien, and slightly worse than Alien3 (go Fincher!)...the 4th one was kinda sucky though...
hey mori which area near orlando?
by El Borak
Jul 16th, 2007
12:13:39 AM
and which years?
Parasite is what's in Slusho or what Slusho
by superninja
Jul 16th, 2007
12:15:00 AM
is made out of.
Doesn't that sound like 28 Days Later or whatever
by superninja
Jul 16th, 2007
12:17:23 AM
those films are (Resident Evil, etc.)?
In the teaser, they repeatedly make references
by superninja
Jul 16th, 2007
12:42:58 AM
to it sounding like an animal and one guy says he saw it and it's huge. The head of the Statue of Liberty appears to be thrown. The camera is angled at street level looking up towards something large. It is preceeded by an earthquake, something large enough causing landmass to shift? If the tanker runs into the statue, it could be caused by something large enough displacing enough water to do that. Where are you getting the government hazmet angle from?
no govt
by Zybon
Jul 16th, 2007
12:52:30 AM
Yea, the government has no way to throw the statue of liberty's head like that.
So the repeated roaring in the same way and
by superninja
Jul 16th, 2007
12:55:43 AM
people saying it sounds like an animal "what kind of animal makes that noise?", I saw it, it's alive, it's huge - not clues, huh? Well, whatever floats yer boat, bud.
ThePilgrim
by BadMrWonka
Jul 16th, 2007
12:57:19 AM
ignoring the Slusho site, we also have Abrams saying that the line, "it's alive, it's huge" is the most important line of the trailer.

it's something big and alive. trust that.

anything else is open for debate.

BadMrWonka
by Zybon
Jul 16th, 2007
01:01:32 AM
It could also be important because it's the one thing that's not actually true. I'm not saying this is the case, just to not take things at face value.
If only the GHOSTBUSTERS were running around
by Mace Tofu
Jul 16th, 2007
01:07:10 AM
on the camcorder footage every fifteen minutes chasing some crazy monster. That I would pay $8.50 for lol. Mori's first post said it was a Monster movie but not a Man in suit.
I just prefer monster movies to the type of movie
by superninja
Jul 16th, 2007
01:18:59 AM
your suggesting is all. You could be right, but it's just one movie, it's not season after season. There has to be some kind of payoff or the cash cow stops mooing.
Hmmm
by Thegipperlives
Jul 16th, 2007
01:19:35 AM
The only thing that "We Were the Cool Kids" website talks about is saying Moriarty and everyone on this site are liars. Arthur also says it is easy to prove yet doesn't back this information up with anything. Prove it ya bastard.
you guys, come on
by BadMrWonka
Jul 16th, 2007
01:27:40 AM
if Lost ended up being on the top of a building, instead of on an island, people would have been pissed as hell.

misdirection is one thing, but the general public likes to be tricked DURING the movie, not in the decision making process leading up to it. bruce willis dead in the sixth sense? great. the sixth sense turning out to be a musical? not so much.

Abrams wants people talking about this, and speculating on a lot of things. bt it's clear that he put that line in the trailer because he wants people speculating on WHAT it is, not IF it is.

maybe it's a monster, maybe an alien, maybe a robot, who knows.

but the thing making that huge semi-mechanical roar at the beginning. doesn't that sort of err on the side of "monster"?

conspiracy theories are great, but you can't stray so far away from where you started that you lose the plot.

so to speak.

I'm even more interested in this now
by Motoko Kusanagi
Jul 16th, 2007
02:27:49 AM
Cool!
"it's alive" "it's huge"
by polpopolposo
Jul 16th, 2007
03:20:29 AM
If the line, "it's alive, it's huge" is the most important line of the trailer, I think that the clue has to be searched in the part “it’s alive”. Maybe it means that the “thing” the guy is talking about is usually not alive. Maybe they are talking about something that is NOW alive… that make me think couldn’t be a giant animal o a monster in general, but more a mechanical thing or a sort of ameba.
Holy Shite, think about it, what is the best parasite?
by The Dum Guy
Jul 16th, 2007
03:21:02 AM
Mankind:::: we live off anything we can eat, and we live in more areas than any other life form known to man, i.e. outer-space, Antartica, beneath the freakin ocean!!!

What if the freaking parasite (gathered from the tastiest parts of the sea, think Long John Silvers) is consumed by man(woman) and that is what destroys N.Y.

Maybe, that is the biggest clue, can't drink just six, 'cause what other life-form that we know of that purposely consumes more than it needs, only people... So, "Cloverfield is made of people!! PEOPLE!".
Whiny fan boys do not have any effect on movie success
by doctor_gonzo
Jul 16th, 2007
03:34:04 AM
Look at Transformers. Nothing but whiny bitching from fan boys and that movie did really well. The overhype won't have a negative effect on the success of the movie. It will be huge because mainstream America will eat it up. Fan boys always overly critical of every idea as soon as its pitched, regardless of how it is pitched. Nothing makes them happy.
doctor gonzo
by BadMrWonka
Jul 16th, 2007
03:42:19 AM
the fanboys loved that movie. only people that actually care about decent movies, and aren't willing to put aside plot, characterization, etc., bitched about it.
polpopolposo
by BadMrWonka
Jul 16th, 2007
03:46:07 AM
people keep saying this, but I really think the line is more important so that people don't think it's a movie about terrorism, or war, or malfunctioning equipment.

as has been said before, the guy yelling that line, and its inclusion in the trailer, do not need to suggest that this thing isn't expectedly alive, but rather that whatever is causing the damage is alive, as opposed to something un-alive causing it. if this shit happened top me in real life, I'd think terrorism or earthquakes. I'd be surprised to learn that "it" was alive. not because I would have thought it was a giant toaster (something usually not alive) but rather because I would not be expecting some large marine animal filled with japanese deep water processed chemicals.

also, you have to defer to my opinion, because I used "its", and not "it's", when it was proper to do so.

I'm the man.

Internet Journalism
by bender7
Jul 16th, 2007
03:56:29 AM
Good work on that scoop and I'm sorry about people stealing that story and selling it as their own, but that is the problem with Internet journalism/news. Who knows how many of the millions of stories and articles out there are simply copy-pasted versions from other sources, who may have put in all the effort to try and produce a news worthy piece. The problem is firstly the amount of information on the net is too vast to be effectively monitored for plagiarism. Secondly, the lack of transparency of the articles creation and their sources can make it hard to verify for plagiarism. And also the problem of verifying the original stories and their due credit. The Internet is designed to be quickly changed and edited. As unfair as it is, I guess it is just a thing to accept to a certain degree when you are posting on the net.
LOL Moriaty is so lame
by CQuest
Jul 16th, 2007
04:01:11 AM
this guy is gettin completely worked up over ONE SCOOP. if you guys were really on your jobs, then one scoop would mean NOTHING. you are treating this like the holy grail, when its really your fault. you handled it badly then, and u are handling it even worse NOW. got damn CRYBABIES. cry me a riveerrrrr
I did find it strange...
by Tourist
Jul 16th, 2007
04:07:48 AM
That everyone was calling Voltron, Or Cthulu, or Zilla, considering Moriarty's early article clearly established it as yet another lame, high concept puff piece. Blair Witch, but with Giant Monsters. Yaydom. The website game that generated the most interest wasn't even for this project, and the most incessant viral marketing I've seen for the film so far is AICN itself, which seems to be on a Whedon Cum Drip.
weird thing about the credit...
by Tourist
Jul 16th, 2007
04:17:14 AM
The other guys article did contain exclusive material. The other issue is, that your both just tools (literally) being used to dissemninate information for a Paramount product. This isn't a news story. It's not journalism. Your just regurgitating spoon fed shit to build word of mouth on a B movie.
hiroshima-gojira--9/11 1-18 parallels
by blonde redhead
Jul 16th, 2007
04:43:28 AM
something that i find kind of interesting is that, from the trailer at least, there's a very heavy 9/11 vibe. panic, people in the streets, the camcorders, (lots of my friends shot truckloads of video that day) that sense of total uncertainty. i think one of the reasons people may have latched onto this film as being a gojira remake is because of the fact that it's kind of the same thing that's happening. we drop a bomb on two cities in japan (after basically firebombing the entire country to death anyhow, see errol morris' fog of war) and nine years later, allowing for shooting, they come out with a film which is basically a response to said bombing. only they make it a giant monster movie, because giant monsters are much, much easier to deal with than knowing that members of your family are going to die slowly and painfully from radiation sickness with the patterns of their kimonos still burnt into their skin. we get two planes flying into the twin towers, and seven years later, someone makes a film which looks to be this country's response to a similarly devastating event. giant monster, whether reptilian or lovecraftian or what have you, is much easier to deal with and compartmentalize than knowing there is a small yet vocal and pretty gung-ho group of people who just want to wipe your ass out. i haven't seen this specifically mentioned in this talkback, but i think it's an interesting reaction to what happened in NYC and our collective response to that. if i don't see another thing about this movie i'll be in the theatre opening night, if i get flooded with viral marketing i'll be in the theatre opening night. i think it looks to be an awesome film--though we've clearly seen the money shot already and i'm not sure why, but hey--i don't make movies. i just watch them.
weird thing about the credit...
by Tourist
Jul 16th, 2007
04:46:21 AM
Both writers are tools for Paramount to disseminate cheap advertising through. It's not like we are discussing journalistic ethics here, because there is no journalism present. It's not a scoop, its a leak. They just picked their prefered source for the first go to. Hence the fact that no one outside of geeks gave a shit, and it took more than one advance article to build up the excitment for the trailer. As for it being Voltron? Are you spastic? Why would you hide the fact that its a Voltron movie in the advertising? What could the point possibly be? To build excitment? Isn't that why you buy the rights to Voltron? Because the name itself is a selling point? By the way, I really like Pilgrims theory. It would have made for a more interesting story than Giant Monsters.
oh, and it's cthulhu. no apostrophe.
by blonde redhead
Jul 16th, 2007
04:50:11 AM
unless you're spelling it with a q as opposed to a c. the apostrophe comes in to play when you talk about the great city of r'lyeh. yes, i am hoping there's some hint of lovecraft in there. ;)
Hi i had to create an account just to say...
by LastHorcruxIsHarry
Jul 16th, 2007
04:54:31 AM
I know that the Voltron nuts have lready been mercilesly spanked raw, but i had to point out something that nobody else mentioned. if it is voltron...WHY THE FUCK ARE THE GOOD GUYS BLOWING UP THE CITY? HMMM?? HMMMMMM??? personally im super intrigued by the whole cthulhu soda company secret sea monster ingredient plot line.
alive and huge, alive and huge, alive and huge...?
by eggs erroneous
Jul 16th, 2007
04:58:52 AM
Rosie O'Donnell? she finally reveals her true form as the great destroyer and soft-shoes NYC into oblivion?...could be interesting (btw my first post)
Err...did some weirdo just say
by Motoko Kusanagi
Jul 16th, 2007
05:08:55 AM
that he preferred Alien (which would be comprehensible) AND Alien 3 (which is utterly ridiculous) over Aliens? What. The. Fuck.
The Taste Says:
by The Taste
Jul 16th, 2007
05:13:47 AM
Its probably a remake of that shitty 80's monster movie set in NYC called Q? The Taste has spoken.....
I like slurpiegod's
by uVa
Jul 16th, 2007
05:56:31 AM
I like slurpiegod's parasitic copepoda theory. You've done your homework sir!
MRX67 please explain....
by LastHorcruxIsHarry
Jul 16th, 2007
06:07:11 AM
if it is indeed a voltron movie, explain the city being blown up by "lions" i admit i wasnt the biggest voltron fan, but i thought that they were the "good guys" and to destroy a city sky-scrapers and all would be against their morals. am i wrong? if i am maybe you could explain to me what plot leads up to the good guys (voltron) destroying big innocent city? by the way i really have nothing against you, my friend just thinks the same thing as you but he's an idiot and you know what they say "great asses stink alike..."
then why
by LastHorcruxIsHarry
Jul 16th, 2007
06:16:28 AM
is the dude running away from the explosion yelling "its a lion!" ? and also since you love to investigate, then investigate Lovecrafts story call of cthulhu, way more similarities between that and everything surrounding this movie even the slusho site (read the history on the site)
the light...
by LastHorcruxIsHarry
Jul 16th, 2007
06:26:37 AM
is obviously from an explosion and it only appears to be fluorescent because its being filtered thru all the dust/debris. you just need to admit that this really is more likely to be a million different things. although i guess voltron could be on that list of things, it is not one of the more likely sujects of this movie.
by the by
by LastHorcruxIsHarry
Jul 16th, 2007
06:32:09 AM
check this out: www.myspace.com/he_arrives_011 808 and read his blog. then read the history at slusho.jp its really creepy, makes me wonder why all this insanity literally everywhere on the internet to cover up a voltron movie? theres about a thousand movies i'd rather have made, and most people dont even know what the fuck voltron is.
MRX
by LastHorcruxIsHarry
Jul 16th, 2007
06:36:17 AM
regardless of all i respect that you have the balls to be the one guy saying, fuck all this other shit its for sure voltron. lol. somebody has to do it.
MRX67
by BadMrWonka
Jul 16th, 2007
07:34:37 AM
remember when I said after I asked you a whole host of specific questions, you were going to run off for a while, then come back later, completely ignoring the factually based evidential questions I asked?

man, it sort of happened, didn't it?

I'm now convinced you're just having a laugh. the oven mitt thing totally sold me.

but hey, I wish you luck. I felt bad for you when I thought you were just a conspiracy wacko, but a more stupid one than usual. spewing logical fallacies (I mentioned them one by one, but of course, you ignored them)...but now that I'm convinced you're just trying to poke fun at all of us, I wish you the best of luck. hell, I'll even come to your defense!

(I especially liked the "I'm not a Voltron fan" part...that wasw priceless...

best of luck, brother...I guess we all need a little humor in our lives...

also
by BadMrWonka
Jul 16th, 2007
07:37:34 AM
the bit about the pic being "lighted" when it's obviously a cloud of smoke and debris. boy...

just the right amount of crazy.

I hope AICN makes a new talkback so you can start over with a whole new group of people. the ones on this talkback might be, you know, tainted. if you get to start fresh, it'll be a helluva lot funnier.

(p.s. yell at me again for being insulting, and not giving you any "facts"...it'll get everyone riled up, since we've all given them to you 10 times and you've ignored them...trust me, it'll be great!)

also
by BadMrWonka
Jul 16th, 2007
07:37:42 AM
the bit about the pic being "lighted" when it's obviously a cloud of smoke and debris. boy...

just the right amount of crazy.

I hope AICN makes a new talkback so you can start over with a whole new group of people. the ones on this talkback might be, you know, tainted. if you get to start fresh, it'll be a helluva lot funnier.

(p.s. yell at me again for being insulting, and not giving you any "facts"...it'll get everyone riled up, since we've all given them to you 10 times and you've ignored them...trust me, it'll be great!)

My Theory
by Scramble Network
Jul 16th, 2007
08:16:39 AM
There is no monster. Some kind of freak accident causes the explosion, the "giant monster" theory takes hold with the crowds, and the film follows people's reactions to it. Sort of like the stories of people who heard WAR OF THE WORLDS on the radio. That's how you can do it all with camcorders, for $30 Million. No monster, just the idea of a monster.
D-War (Dragon War) is similar.
by Monks
Jul 16th, 2007
08:32:32 AM
Quite a similar film by the looks of it. It's based in Los Angeles i think. the hero is called Ethan. Funny eh. Made by Koreans (Host creators i think) and done on a small budget also. Check the website. www.d-war.com
What The Fuck?!
by MasterExploder
Jul 16th, 2007
08:47:34 AM
Before, when you went to slushozoom.com and clicked on the image of the messed-up turtle (which was probably some sort of clue), it used to lead you to a Japanese UFO website. But now the site is GONE! I was poking around on the website last night, and I found sections about ancient spacemen/sea explorers. They were found off the coast of Honshu, the same island form the slusho.jp website! Furthermore, there was also a section about mysterious objects FALLING out of the sky. Besides meteors (THE TRAILER!), they talked about a white cloud of possibly a living organism descending upon towns. COULD THAT BE THE WHITE CLOUD DESCENDING UPON THE ACTORS IN THE LATEST PHOTO FROM THE 11808 WEBSITE?! I think so. The secret ingredient in Slusho turns people into monsters. The aliens started it. The invisotext describes an extinct race coming back to defeat humans, perhaps from the sea. They are spreading their other secret ingredient with their flying meteors. But now it doesn't matter. That photo and website are GONE! They have been replaced by, gasp, A PHOTO OF THE STATUE OF LIBERTY!!! That leads to another link about children or cheese. I haven't figured it out yet. Basically, the invisotext says "Nothing is as it seems". I think that means we are supposed to poke around as many of the links as possible. If anyone is interested, I'll keep them posted.
The Suspense is...
by BeyondStatic
Jul 16th, 2007
08:53:43 AM
... interesting. JJ Abrams may be a genius. Or he may just be lucky. I can't decide. If nothing else he knows good property when he sees it.
MORE NERD INFO!
by MasterExploder
Jul 16th, 2007
09:03:29 AM
An ad on the Japanes UFO link that disappeared was about biblical maps for sale. The ad specifically pointed out Seth, the third son of Adam and Eve. The invisotext does mention a lost tribe. If you wikipedia Seth, it describes his involvment in Armageddon. Abrams ought to pay me for all of the free advertising I'm providing for his flick!
BTW...
by MasterExploder
Jul 16th, 2007
09:09:39 AM
...The "Seth" wikipedia entry was altered two days ago. Perhaps by Mr. Abrams' crew? And the donation portion of slushozoom is being closed.
Just think of the good that could be done in the world.
by Rantman
Jul 16th, 2007
09:09:48 AM
If we all stopped analyzing and obsessing over a film that's given very little info other than a cool trailer.....come on people- I've got my sites on world peace- anyone fancy analyzing that to this extent? Cancer anyone? The common cold. Let's just wait and see about the film and maybe try something constructive.......by the way- Kirk IS an asshole.....it would seem
New Set Pic
by cloverfield2008
Jul 16th, 2007
09:12:08 AM
New set pic shows utter destruction showthread.php?p=308&posted=1# post308
Geez, no one's allowed to have fun on this site anymore
by Abin Sur
Jul 16th, 2007
09:26:45 AM
We've already had posters nagging us about paying more attention to this movie than the current political climate, and now we've got to go fret over world peace, cancer AND the common cold? Rantman, you sound like a nice guy, but have you considered that a lot of us can MULTI-task and think about more than one thing at a time? And besides, me posting on a web site telling people to wash their hands so they don't spread cold germs will not do that much. Let's leave this entertainment site for entertainment, shall we?
My Theory (yes it's not serious)
by maeljw
Jul 16th, 2007
09:35:07 AM
Ok, so we've heard Voltron, Godzilla, Cthulhu, etc as the various theories. But guess what..they are all wrong. JJ has fooled us all, what we have here is.... A BIG BUDGET PORNO!!! Ok heres the facts starting with the slusho site: 1) The fish is thinking of swiss cheese: well we have all heard the vagina smelling like fish jokes, and swiss cheese is full of..holes. Obvious reference. 2) The horse, which is not a horse at all..its a donkey..or more correctly..an ASS. And it is thinking of a mitt, something you use to protect yourself..obvious reference to condoms. 3) The slogan: the bet you cant drink just 6, obvious reference to swallowing. 4) The "substance" in the slusho cups, I don't think I need to explain that one. The trailer: 1) The going away party: obviously an orgy. 2) The roar: some people have also claimed its a woman's voice as well.. well its just a really deep and loud moan of pleasure. 3) The ground shaking: obvious really. 4) The explosion: a really really good orgasm. And the debris flying from it? She a squirter with a bad STD. 5) The "I've seen it!! It's alive!! It's huge!!" line: Ron Jeremy obviously has a cameo. 6) The head flying? Thats easy, Ron missed his mark on the money shot, hit the Statue of Liberty launching her head towards midtown. The reason for the hand held video cam look? So it looks more like amateur porn and so that nothing gets really shown, keeping the rating down to just R as opposed to NC-17. And the real clincher: Cloverfield codename. Obviously a fantasy of Mr. Abrams or someone involved in the making of this project. (obviously this is all a joke..but its just as plausible at this point as some of the other theories ;) )
I KNOW WHAT IT IS!!!!!!!!!!!
by WHTROVER
Jul 16th, 2007
09:42:55 AM
I figured it out, it's...........Ghostbuster 3: Revenge of the StayPuff Marshmellow Man
I think MRX67 has issues.
by BillyPilgrim
Jul 16th, 2007
09:43:27 AM
Keep hope alive MRX67! You're the Forrest Gump of Voltron supporters!
voltron
by infosys
Jul 16th, 2007
09:51:45 AM
hecho en mexico? por favor! ba sucko mucho asso
Voltron should be good....
by santi01
Jul 16th, 2007
10:02:45 AM
I'm still with you MRX67, It's Voltron!
Voltron should be good....
by santi01
Jul 16th, 2007
10:02:45 AM
I'm still with you MRX67, It's Voltron!
He doesn't know either...
by santi01
Jul 16th, 2007
10:07:30 AM
so I guess Moriarty knows what the movie is about then, if hes so confidant in knowing what its not. Jj must of confided in only him.
nooneimportant
by Mr. Nice Gaius
Jul 16th, 2007
10:10:01 AM
Your name couldn't be more appropriate.
Could this be Superman II?
by Lang The Cat
Jul 16th, 2007
10:20:13 AM
The monster is "Parasite". If it is Superman, the fight scenes could include damage to the Statue of Liberty. Maybe all we are seeing is a teaser for Superman II.
nooneimportant
by BillyPilgrim
Jul 16th, 2007
10:23:21 AM
Thanks for your enlightened contribution to the overall discussion sir! You have shown what a great resource of knowledge the internets can truly be. Excelsior!
Thanks uVa
by SLURPIEGOD
Jul 16th, 2007
10:24:08 AM
Now if we could run the creature's "roar" through a filter, to see what it would sound like UNDERWATER......
also nooneimportant....
by BillyPilgrim
Jul 16th, 2007
10:26:51 AM
I thank you for allowing me to get my daily requirement of irony so soon today. The Irony council appreciates your efforts.
Questions
by santi01
Jul 16th, 2007
10:35:54 AM
Has JJ Abrams said there is enough clues out there to sufficiently solve thie? If someone does figure it out how would we know? Is he fessing up once hes sees its solved? this all might be pointless if we have to wait till 1-18-08 either way.
I think I unleashed Cthulhu last night.
by Maldoror
Jul 16th, 2007
10:41:45 AM
I said his name out loud, and this morning there's a 6.6 earthquake near here. Then a 4 earthquake this afternoon, then a 4.8 earthquake this evening. There's also flood warnings here in Osaka, and heavy electrical storms which are normally rare. Then there's been this growling outside...
Like the Superman Returns angle
by liljuniorbrown
Jul 16th, 2007
10:42:38 AM
I mean Parasite is a Supes villan and it would work. I've read the Voltron script online and I'm excited about that flick ,but honestly if this movie actualy shows the giant monster and not just shadows and dust then we could really have something here. I magine seeing something like this live on CNN,crazy.
Great trailer.
by Thump
Jul 16th, 2007
10:52:50 AM
Did just what it needed to.. generate buzz.. This talkback has spun so far out of control. was the point of the news posting just an "I told you so"? I will never get these last 15 mins back... I am psyched about this movie but I guess I will have to be alot more careful digging for info.. and I would love to see the Blair witch comments put in a drawer.. EVERY thing shot with a handheld does not need to be referenced back to the blair witch... and then tagged "no thanks". the depth of that argument boggles me.
I've learned something today...
by emp
Jul 16th, 2007
11:07:49 AM
1. There is something called "Voltron"
2. People who claim to hate this site and everyone who works for it, actually spends a lot of time here.
3. Some of the funniest shit you'll ever read can be found in AICN talkbacks.
LOST again !!!
by rguerr2
Jul 16th, 2007
11:10:28 AM
As someone stated earlier, “All Questions, No answers” the Abrams way. Trailer is intriguing and first thing that hit me; looks like M. Night Shyamalan's SIGNS. By this I mean that in SIGNS we got a film that shows us a view of a alien invasion as seen from the eyes of some small town family. This means it could be good if it is done right.
A question about the Kirk Montgomery article...
by ToxicBob
Jul 16th, 2007
11:22:07 AM
If that article was made comepletly from information from other articles, then where did he get the info that the line "I saw it, it's alive, it's huge." and the sound the creature makes are very important clues, since that mentioned in any of the articles here?
Kirk Montgomery is a twat
by MontyPigeon
Jul 16th, 2007
11:26:26 AM
Lets get things straight here, Asshole is too good a word for him. Mori once again shows he is the driving force of this website. Best writer on here and least biased.
MRX67
by GreenGeezer
Jul 16th, 2007
11:33:51 AM
Still on the Voltron trip?
Alrighty then
by GreenGeezer
Jul 16th, 2007
11:41:24 AM
lets get crack'n and see if we can, rather than continually arguing over what it may be, lets focus on what we know.
Yay! Bubba MRX67!!
by BillyPilgrim
Jul 16th, 2007
11:50:36 AM
Voltron is the fruit of the sea. You can barbecue it, boil it, broil it, bake it, saute it. Dey's uh, Voltron-kabobs, Voltron creole, Voltron gumbo. Pan fried, deep fried, stir-fried. There's pineapple Voltron, lemon Voltron, coconut Voltron, pepper Voltron, Voltron soup, Voltron stew, Voltron salad, Voltron and potatoes, Voltron burger, Voltron sandwich. That- that's about it.
JJ Abrams is one sick puppy
by emp
Jul 16th, 2007
11:51:33 AM
He sits at home and jerks off to his google analytics screen. The mysteries he creates are more like "Guess what number I am thinking of?" than anything else. But bored as I am, I love it.
Irony...
by Dominic-Vobiscum
Jul 16th, 2007
11:58:40 AM
It's kind of funny that you would complain about someone passing off your "journalism" as theirs when this site is infamous for doing that very thing. Remember the war between you and Dark Horizons and Coming Attractions over that very thing? Yeah. I do.
Not when agent
by BillyPilgrim
Jul 16th, 2007
12:00:52 PM
MRX67 is on the job.
robotic roar?
by rhialto
Jul 16th, 2007
12:10:51 PM
Pass that Dutch.
Rumor Control or Damage Control?
by epevensie
Jul 16th, 2007
12:11:29 PM
I will be disappointed if the film plays out as found footage from a camera discovered in the rubble, as this implies that the destruction we see in the trailer is merely King Kong-sized, and not full-scale apocalyptic. I note, however, that in his rundown of various theories which we should now consider discredited, Moriarty neglected to mention the Book of Revelations, Biblical end-of-the-world scenario; accordingly, I remain hopeful that the movie will more on its mind than cool scenes of stuff blowing up real good.

Furthermore, notwithstanding all denials, I’m still not ready to toss out the possible Cthulhu connection. Again, the Lovecraftian themes hinted at in the Slusho! history cannot be ignored, and for a monster movie, Cthulhu is simply and easily iconic; as Red Ned Lynch noted, “saying Lovecraftian in this case is pretty much just a way to differentiate dumb monster from directed monster and random rampage from something with deeper and or broader implications.” While I would always be keen to see a gorgeous-but-dumb giant monster movie, its would be nice if the makers would invest it with something more significant than special effects.

I’ve no particular yearning to see to a specifically Lovecraftian theme, and would personally be gleeful if the the filmmakers steered towards the “Beast of the Sea” from the Book of Revelations, and the entire Biblical catalog of disaster. That said, my guess is that the film might try to have it all ways, with the creature connected to apocalyptic monsters referenced in the similar religious traditions of all cultures - i.e., a Universalist approach to the end-of-the-world by giant monster foot. In any case, I’d welcome any kind of resonant metaphysical overtones which might elevate the film above its apparent mad-scientist experiment-gone-wrong elements.

Finally, I think it should be noted that most of the speculation concerning Lovecraft began in the wake of Harry’s July 6, 2006 column, in which Harry passed on an email promoting the Ethan Haas link and suggested that a Cthulhu element would be “unbelievably cool.” Harry asked, “Is JJ playing with Cthulhu? Is this film about the ancients returning to tear our world asunder? Is it really going to be captured entirely through hand held cameras operated by us mere ants? OR - is that just the marketing push?”

Now we have Moriarty telling us that, when he wrote his first story in late June, “I didn’t realize that Abrams was going to be pursuing a sort of veil of complete secrecy around the film, and I didn’t know he’d be creating a game leading up to the release. I actually feel bad that we sort of spelled it out as completely as we did. The one thing that he should be happy about is that no one really knew what the hell CLOVERFIELD was, so they didn’t read the article when I ran it. It certainly didn’t set the world on fire until people saw the trailer themselves, at which point we got flooded with e-mails asking, “What is that trailer? Why don’t you know anything about it yet?”

Seemingly, “we” is Moriarty and Harry. But what was it that they “spelled out... completely” - the Cthulhu connection, or the fact that the film was going to be a giant monster movie filmed by camcorder? If it is the first, we’re very ahead of the marketing campaign; if it is the second, there are probably few other “clues” to be found, as everything to be seen is self-evident.

Finally, speculation concerning the Ethan Haas/Lovecraft connection was supported by the fact that one of the actresses in Cloverfield starred in “The Class,” which concerned a character named “Ethan Haas” (anyone know another Ethan Haas?) who was a young pediatrician who throws a surprise party for his fiancé in which he invites members of the third-grade class where the couple met. I never saw any episodes of the series, but find it interesting that the Cloverfield trailer features a group of young people (including “The Class”star Lizzy Caplan) who are also at a surprise party. Accordingly, the possibility was very good that the name of the site (“Ethan Haas was right/wrong”) was an inside joke and that the Lovecraft elements hinted at on the site would appear in the movie. Even given the denials, it seems to me that inquiring minds might want to check out exactly what Ethan Haas might have said in the show which could have relevance to Cloverfield.

Finally, the rpg Alpha Omega appears to have elements of both Lovecraft (the old ones, etc.) and Christian theology (angels, etc.).

Kirk Montgomerty is a douche
by Sinister_Citizen
Jul 16th, 2007
12:13:09 PM
He went to my video school in Michigan and is a flaming douche bag...
to your credit
by GreenGeezer
Jul 16th, 2007
12:15:45 PM
there's a hidden counter (probably already mentioned) at the licence plate website http://www.abz3293.com/ in the upper right hand corner...but it hasnt changed in days..the number listed is 208795120. Any thoughts? I've tried number ciphers, and am still working on possible anagrams related to them.
Mystery with no anwers.
by Captain Atom
Jul 16th, 2007
12:16:13 PM
I'm thinking, with Abrams propensity for supplying mysteries with no answers, that maybe then monster has no name and will not really be seen. The original Godzilla was an allegory for the a-bomb attacks on Japan. Much of what has been seen so far on Cloverfield smacks of the aftermath of 9-11, with people fleeing through choking clouds of dust. It's been pretty reliably stated that the whole movie is from the perspective of a video recorder found in the rubble. So maybe we just see the devastation of the monster, like in the trailer, without ever actually seeing it. We just let our imaginations fill in Godzilla, Cthulu, Night of Lepus, or what the fuck ever. But the intent seems to be to draw the parallel of how Godzilla was originally, before the series got silly, about Japan getting the piss knocked out of it by the unstoppable atomic juggernaught of the United States. In easier to digest monster movie form. This will be more in the style of a terrorist attack, out of the blue.
http://www.abz3293.com/
by rhialto
Jul 16th, 2007
12:20:00 PM
is a fake site.
And this is why he is a douche...
by Sinister_Citizen
Jul 16th, 2007
12:22:22 PM
http://tinyurl.com/38weyw
I think
by GreenGeezer
Jul 16th, 2007
12:33:10 PM
its statements like calling people "Goddamn idiots" that get you accused of trolling Kurz...as to the licence site, MRX, I know he won't confirm or deny it. Trying to re-compile my notes, and I also know that the site has been mentioned and confirmed/denied on other talkbacks...never by JJ, just by us... thought it was odd that a counter wouldnt change over 4 days..
Quick question, Memories-Of-Murder...
by emp
Jul 16th, 2007
12:36:21 PM
Transformers or MI:3? Which would you choose if forced to watch again?
GORGO! GORGO! GORGO!
by TheBloop
Jul 16th, 2007
12:37:53 PM
Hope it is remake of that lost English classic
The Grays???
by wushumonk
Jul 16th, 2007
12:56:37 PM
could be...Whitley Streiber's book says that it's soon to be a major motion picture in 2008....but there's nothing on imdb about it...nadah....and michael bay is doing 2012? the sequel to the grays? hmmmm...apparently sony is doing the grays.....but there's no info on it.....
MRX67, for the love of God, shut up!
by emp
Jul 16th, 2007
01:01:35 PM
We all know that you'll disappear when your bogus shit is debunked, so we will never have the pleasure of reading your "I was wrong" comment.
I'm so glad he's back
by BadMrWonka
Jul 16th, 2007
01:13:26 PM
MRX67, do you have paypal? I'm willing to put $100 up (3rd party bet) that it's not Voltron.

time to find out if you're joking or not...

people...people...
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 16th, 2007
01:17:22 PM
MRX67 is NOT serious. He simply CANNOT be. But he IS the most consistently entertaining talkbacker on here. I encourage everyone to encourage him.
also
by BadMrWonka
Jul 16th, 2007
01:18:37 PM
I'll give you 5-1 odds...so you just have to put in $20, I put in $100...

anyone willing to hold the money in their paypal account til the movie comes out? I'll trust anyone that's on the talkbacks a lot, although I would prefer it to be Prof Ikamono. he's a sweetheart.

I hope this doesn't make MRX67 leave again.

but alas, I DO have to leave. I'll leave you with a quote from Mori:

"I'll Say This Clearly...
... this is not a VOLTRON film...This is not a remake of someone else's property. It's an original idea that Abrams sold to Paramount last year. Drew Goddard is writing it. The VOLTRON project that Justin Marks is writing is still moving forward. They are not related. I'm not speculating, either. I'm telling you that's exactly how it is, and if you spend the next six months invested in this being VOLTRON and then complain because it's not, you'll have no one to blame but yourself. You're delusional. And there's no reason for it, since you'll get a VOLTRON movie... this just isn't it."

denial is a helluva drug, MRX67. (by the by, I hope th "67" is not in reference to your birth year. if you are 40...oh man...I....sigh...you should know better after that much time on this planet.

BTW, Wonka...
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 16th, 2007
01:18:52 PM
Do you have a blog or a web-site set-up fot the movie you have in development? I'm curious to check it out. Good for you and best of luck!
I'll hold your money, Wonka...
by Abin Sur
Jul 16th, 2007
01:24:58 PM
Would I lie?
MRX67
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 16th, 2007
01:26:20 PM
Yup. It's a little indie flick with a $200,000 budget. About Voltron.
Thanks Mori
by monorail77
Jul 16th, 2007
01:27:44 PM
Another great article and some good smackdown of those deserving! (including in the TB's). This site is still the shit, more than ever. Keep up the awesome work. I hope you get paid well, you deserve it.
Seriously, though...
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 16th, 2007
01:27:55 PM
Why is that funny?
mrx67
by rdsxfan8
Jul 16th, 2007
01:33:03 PM
this is totally outta control now. heres what you need to do. PROVE TO US beyond a shadow of a doubt that it is indeed what you say it is. we dont have to prove to you anything. we ( for the most part) are all in agreement that your wrong, so now prove to us your right. and dont just give us conjectures give us hard hitting irrefutable facts ( ya know those things that cant be disproven) if your so sure of yourself and willing to "sit back in the peanut gallery and have a chuckle or two" than make us non believers ( the majority of us on here) believers. it shouldnt be so hard for you since your so sure of yourself now should it? and the things you think you know to be true right now cheese=france, france is a place where voltron goes, ovenmitt= flaming sword of voltron, etc... have been and will continue to be refuted. whether or not you choose to ignore that your so called "facts" can be refuted is another thing entirely.
MRX67
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 16th, 2007
01:33:58 PM
Dude, Wonka says he's making a movie...and unlike a lot of other people on here, I generally give people the benefit of the doubt unless they seem to contradict themselves, etc. Now, Wonka seems to know a bit about movies, so I don't really have any reason to doubt him...after all, he didn't say he was making the next big sci-fi blockbuster or some other grandiose claim. I mean, I've been giving you the benefit of the doubt ever since you said you were a detective, when (if you're serious) it's obvious you couldn't even detect a Catholic in a convent.
Yeah, but...
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 16th, 2007
01:35:09 PM
I'm on here a lot, too, because I work from home--on my computer--and get bored very easily...
This is JJ "Lost" Abrams so...
by chrisd
Jul 16th, 2007
01:36:36 PM
just like "Lost", shouldn't you expect a lot of hype and promise, and no follow through? Makes me even more pessimistic about Star Trek. (sigh)
Kurzinski
by rhialto
Jul 16th, 2007
01:36:44 PM
You are a troll you goddamn idiot. Everyone was very patiently trying explain to you what they meant by Lovecraftian, what the guy's influence and style and tropes are, and that they didn't really know if it was Cthulhu or not. And all you did was stand on your desk and throw shit at people.
I've done the research MRX67 aka "Bubba Voltron".
by BillyPilgrim
Jul 16th, 2007
01:54:36 PM
This is what I've found. The next Spiderman movie will involve Voltron. Wonder Woman have Voltron in it. Indy 4 will have Voltron in it. Lucas is going to have Voltron in the Star Wars TV project. The Census Bureau announced that Voltron will become the most popular name for children in Bangladesh by 1/18/08. Area 51 has been developing their own Voltron weapon. This is the clincher : Godzilla held a press conference stating that the Cloverfield movie is about him having lunch with Voltron and Cthuhlu. Apparently the Old One walks out on the bill. They were going to use the title "The trouble with Cthuhlu". But JJ put the kibosh on that. So there you have it. ALL of the truth is out there. Just like the X-files told us.
on the site
by emeraldboy
Jul 16th, 2007
01:58:39 PM
with the pictures of Japanese Woman with fan, statue of Liberty, the icon that says hot bath. If you click on the picture of the woman with the fan you get taken to an imdb page about a japanese movie made in 1966 called Furankenshutain no kaijû: Sanda tai Gairain fact here is the full story: An experimental lab animal called a gargantua escapes from his captors and is suspected to be the creature that is killing people all over the countryside. But when the gargantua from the lab appears at the same time as the evil gargantua, the two begin to battle across Japan. Written by Todd A. Bobenrieth {TAB146@PSUVM.EDU} A freighter is attacked by a giant octopus during a stormy night. The octopus is then attacked buy a hairy green giant. The gargantua then turns his attention to the ship and sinks it killing and eating all the crew except for one. When the surviving crew member tells the police what happened, they call in Doctor Paul Stewart and his assistant Akemi. Several years earlier, Stewart had a younger species of the same creature and it is feared that the monster has grown up and now views man as an enemy. After several attacks, the monster is cornered in a forest in a mountain area of Japan, and is nearly killed when shot with lasers and nearly electrocuted. Just before it dies a second, bigger brown monster arrives and saves it. This is the creature that Stewart had at his lab now all grown up to over 100 feet tall. The brown one then takes the green monster away to help it recover, not knowing his "brother's" evil nature. After the green monster recovers sufficiently, he resumes his rampage. But when he stops to rest, the brown one finds out how evil his brother is and soon the two begin to fight. The green one then runs off and soon heads for Tokyo. While he is there, he grabs Akemi and is about to eat her when the brown one arrives. The green monster drops Akemi, severely injuring her. The two monsters then resume their fight and eventually wind up in Tokyo Bay where napalm bombs are dropped on them, seemingly killing them. Written by Brian Washington {Sargebri@earthlink.net} Japanese version: The sole survivor of a Japanese fishing boat is hospitalized in extreme shock, and later tells a story that no one wants to believe. In the woods, campers and hikers disappear and leave only chewed-up clothes, and other people report sightings of hairy giants. An American scientist investigates, then a Japanese scientist recounts what happened years earlier in Furankenshutain tai chitei kaijû Baragon (1965). He had found a mutated feral boy with a flat head, named it Frankenstein, and it grew 20 feet tall, rampaged, and was destroyed. Now there is another Frankenstein, only it is 100 feet tall with brown fur all over. There also is a second monster just like it, only with green skin and fur, and it eats people. Both had grown out of fragments of the first monster's body. Both Frankensteins are nearly indestructible, both team up against the armed forces, and more monsters can grow from them. Then these Frankensteins turn against each other and wage a battle to the bitter end, with the city of Tokyo as their battle arena. American version: same as above, only the monsters are named Gargantuas, the green Gargantua had grown from a piece of the brown Gargantua's body, and the brown Gargantua's origin is unknown. Written by QQQ-2
BillyPilgrim
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 16th, 2007
01:59:33 PM
Dude, don't be fucking ridiculous. Area 51 doesn't make movies.
Oh, wait...
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 16th, 2007
02:02:05 PM
You said they were making a Voltron weapon...nevermind.
SLUSHO ZOOM IS FAKE.
by rhialto
Jul 16th, 2007
02:09:31 PM
FAKE SITE PEOPLE. As is, not real. As in, some crap some people made up. As in, any time you spend building a theory off of is a total waste of time.
Man, this site...
by ebonic_plague
Jul 16th, 2007
02:10:02 PM
I used to post here until I was banned for musing on the historical merits of political assassination after the 2004 election, but this shit in this talkback is so comical I had to wade in. Only talkbackers would think, "He said, 'It's a Lion,' therefore it must be Voltron!" Yeah, a giant robot comprised of mechanical lions will be attacking NYC in a Blair Witch style mockumentary. Also, where do they grow these idiots with the trivial blood vendettas towards Mori and the staff here? All I know is that this shit better be Lovecraft or some kinda straight up mythical being/apocalypse situation, because if it's "Lost: The Movie" I'm saving my money and time for the Rev. Tori Spelling's version of Cthulhu.
mrx67
by rhialto
Jul 16th, 2007
02:12:32 PM
Work? You did work? I don't think you know what that means.
Kurzinski
by rhialto
Jul 16th, 2007
02:20:01 PM
We all know what's in the trailer. We also only have the Slusho history site right now as possible backstory. That story is crawling with Lovecraft. Family obsession, creatures in the sea contacting people in dreams, transformation into sea creatures. Sure, maybe none of it will factor into the movie at all. But if you don't see the Lovecraft in that you either don't know your Lovecraft or are pretty dense. People have put this way better than me before in this talkback though, and all we get from you is derision out of both ignorance and your claim that we all theink it's Cthulhu.
there's no damn scooby dooing to be done
by rhialto
Jul 16th, 2007
02:24:14 PM
This thing isn't even an ARG yet. These guys are making a monster movie. There's some creepy shit on the related Slusho site that might be a hint to the plot or might not. There is no conspiracy to make a Voltron movie, and nothing to go on until they give us more to chew on. Honestly MX, if you aren't pulling our collective leg, you're like that messed up kid in gradeschool who never learned the difference between bad and good attention. You're so wrapped up in your own delusion the rest of us can't even get a grip on where you;re coming from.
good point
by rhialto
Jul 16th, 2007
02:31:45 PM
Think I'll go outside for a while.
MRX67, enough with the internet slang...
by Abin Sur
Jul 16th, 2007
02:32:48 PM
I'm not gonna get into the Voltron thing, but DUDE, you're throwing ROFL and ROFLMAO around like its 1994 and you just got 10 free hours on AOL. It's causing some of us brain damage.
mrx67
by rdsxfan8
Jul 16th, 2007
02:36:39 PM
ok heres where and why people have a problem with you. your now claiming that other peolpe are lazy and waiting for others to do their work for them. all we're asking you to do is take a minute , post a link or something and give us indisputable evidence to support your case. how is that us not willing to do work? we're not the ones trying to prove a truth here. other people are just spitting out ideas but you claim to KNOW what this project is all about. I for one am doing my own lil bit of research over here, with nothing to show for it yet, so I dont sit here and throw out ridicuolous ideas that have been proven false. what more proof do you need that your theory is wrong? do you need a giant voltron to pop outta this tb and slap you in the face and say "dude 1-18-08 ( or whatever its being called now) and me arent the same project... get over it" the idea that your not at all serious about this and just sitting back having a laugh at the expense of people like me who continuously come here and call you out is starting to make sense to me. all you wanna do is throw something out there, give a few so called facts to support it ( which have been debunked) than sit back and ignore everything else while claiming to have a so called "v word ban" imposed by oneself. this will be my final post/rant about you because its obvious to me that the more I continue to call you out, the more it adds fuel to a dead fire of a voltron movie.
Viral marketing = Nipples on Voltron
by emp
Jul 16th, 2007
02:37:33 PM
I can't even begin to explain how much this shit bugs me. It serves no fucking purpose!

Does the average moviegoer think "YEAH, I'm gonna watch this because it has a secret title!"? NO.

Does this marketing shit affect us geeks? Nope, we'll watch it anyway. JJ Abrams + TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION of New York is guaranteed to attract most geeks.

So why this meaningless mystery shit? It's a waste of time and money.

Ok, I give up...
by emp
Jul 16th, 2007
02:45:17 PM
VOLTRON MOVIE BY JJ! YEAH!!1 THIZ ROXX!!!11!ONEONEOE

FIND THE CLUES, YOU SCOOBY DOOS! YOU CAN'T FIND JUST SIX! I HAVE A HINT: IT'S VOLTRON!! YEAH!!!11ONEONE!1!

seriously
by LastHorcruxIsHarry
Jul 16th, 2007
02:48:16 PM
the next person to make the stay-puff marshmallow man joke is the stupidest jerk-off on the entire internet.
I'm pretty sure the light post is there- you can't see
by Novaman5000
Jul 16th, 2007
02:49:00 PM
the light because those posts are a few stories tall... Maybe i'm crazy, but I see the post that gets bowled over and it's there in the beginning as well...
MRX67 = JETTL93???
by just pillow talk
Jul 16th, 2007
02:50:13 PM
No?
OH JESUS I GOT IT!
by BillyPilgrim
Jul 16th, 2007
02:53:00 PM
You cant drink just six! There are seven letters in VOLTRON! Seven is more than six! That's it! I'm so sorry MRX67. I should have never doubted your genius!!!!
Has anyone considered...
by Abin Sur
Jul 16th, 2007
02:59:25 PM
That Moriarty may be LYING to us (well, not about the Voltron part) in order to help JJ further this marketing plan? It seems that after the pooch screw that was the Lost season finale TB, it's entirely possible that Mori is helping with the misdirection as a way to get back "in" with JJ and his group. REMEMBER, he said there is no "C'Thulhu" in the movie - that could be a TECHNICALLY honest statement, since in all the Cthulhu spellings THAT ain't one of them. And I know the mythos pretty well. This might all be BS, but it's worth chewing on...
Ah HA!!!
by Woggie
Jul 16th, 2007
03:03:10 PM
It's a Roid Rage movie based on the Four horseman! Dean Malenko was one of the last members of the horseman and one of his finishers was called the "Texas Cloverleaf". Coincidence? I don't think so cowboy!
you want clues you got em
by rdsxfan8
Jul 16th, 2007
03:12:23 PM
ok new update to the slusho page. it appears they have taken down the horse/donkey thinking of the oven mitts. it isnt there anymore. but the fish thinking of SWISS cheese still is. hmmmm interesting
rdsxfan8
by Woggie
Jul 16th, 2007
03:17:34 PM
Nope. Horsie is still there. He does disappear after he passes once though. If you haven't refreshed in a while....
but we aren't trying that hard
by rhialto
Jul 16th, 2007
03:19:36 PM
The Slush history is a very Lovecraft story for several, specific reasons.
The damned oven mitt...
by BillyPilgrim
Jul 16th, 2007
03:25:13 PM
it all comes down to the damned oven mitt.
mother of god
by rhialto
Jul 16th, 2007
03:41:50 PM
We're talking about very specific reasons why the story on Slusho.jp is in the style of Lovecraft. We're not talking about any fucking monster movie. How many times do I have to repeat this shit?
YOU ARE ALL WRONG!
by irrelevntelefant
Jul 16th, 2007
03:42:40 PM
cloverfield is code for tomato patch... slusho is a japanese v-8 drink.... HE'S REMAKING "ATTACK OF THE KILLER TOMATOS" YAAAAAAY!!!!!!!!
The Slusho History Is Much More "Lovecraftian"
by dixieflyer
Jul 16th, 2007
03:46:56 PM
than most other monster movies, that is all people are trying to say.
And I'm saying...
by rhialto
Jul 16th, 2007
03:47:36 PM
Just because you "can" do that to "any" story does NOT mean that I and other people are doing it to THIS one. I'm talking about ONE story. The one on Slusho.jp. It has SEVERAL elements of Lovecraft including family obsession, tragedy, and sea creatures contacting people in dreams to do their bidding. But those are so common, right? I mean, that was Godzilla all over not to mention King Kong.
Its RAMPAGE!
by Moo Cow
Jul 16th, 2007
03:48:00 PM
The arcade game turned movie.
Waaahhhhh!!!
by SpookyOtaku
Jul 16th, 2007
03:52:22 PM
Somebody took credit for my work...big deal Mori, yes you broke the story...and I suppose you deserve credit but don't go crying cause some asshole tries to pass it off as his own, does it really matter when your original story probably saw many more hits than his plagiarized scoop. If you have nothing to write about, don't write anything...spare us the fucking bitch filler. As for the trailer, i think it was genius....and to those of you saying that Abrams leaves us hanging in Lost...that would be Cuse and Lindlehoff...they are the ones that write the show...Abrams created it and wrote maybe three episodes.
Horse / Mitt Fish / Cheese
by SLURPIEGOD
Jul 16th, 2007
03:57:57 PM
I hit a wall there too. Closest I could come to was Fish + Swiss Cheese = Swedish Fish, A candy as well as a mixed drink. The Oven Mitt / Horse thing escapes me, Does anyone know the Japanese words for them?
sounds..
by GreenGeezer
Jul 16th, 2007
04:02:59 PM
has anyone managed to isolate and play with the sound the beatie makes?
I'm telling you, it's
by Its a LION
Jul 16th, 2007
04:05:32 PM
Thunda-Thunduh-ThundaCats: HOOOOOOOOOO!
Oven Mitt and Cheese
by Ritocal
Jul 16th, 2007
04:06:34 PM
Putting those together makes me think of fondue. But considering that Fondue is swiss, not japanese, no clue.
Horse + Mitt +Fish + Cheese
by ATOBOB
Jul 16th, 2007
04:08:51 PM
I have been trying to solve this much like the old game of concentration...
Sounds
by SLURPIEGOD
Jul 16th, 2007
04:15:00 PM
I have a hunch, if listened to underwater, it might approximate whale song. It has the structure similar to speeded up recorded whalesong. Now of course Chewbacca's roar was a lion and a vaccum, but thats neither here nor there. If the roar is a clue, thats as good a place as any to start.

Spectrographs came in handy during the Year Zero campaign, might work here as well.

Now me and my hunch are off to ring some bells

Horse Stuff
by SLURPIEGOD
Jul 16th, 2007
04:21:55 PM
Is there a Seahorse that becomes toxic when heated? Or becomes hot as a defense? Any Oceanographers out there? Ganu? You need gloves to handle seahorses because of the protective spiny things, but why a Oven Mitt?
I have quit my job to solve this mystery...
by emp
Jul 16th, 2007
04:32:44 PM
Now all I have to do is find the missing link. So far I got:

X = (Oven mitt + Lion) * ((Seahorse^slusho) / (Cthulhu - 6))
Shrinky-Dinks?
by SLURPIEGOD
Jul 16th, 2007
04:41:37 PM
Damn, I was looking foward to the fondu.... I mean you could still eat the shrinky dinks, but still, not the same
SEE?
by SLURPIEGOD
Jul 16th, 2007
04:51:37 PM
If you had covered your friends in cheese and chocolate and eaten them in the first place, this would never have happened.
Egads
by SLURPIEGOD
Jul 16th, 2007
04:53:26 PM
I apologize for that . I must be hungry. Or Dahlmer. Or both....
Shabu Shabu
by Ritocal
Jul 16th, 2007
04:59:54 PM
Following along a Fondue line of thought (mostly because i'm hungry right now)... Shabu Shabu is a traditional Japanese fondue plate. It is described as having a large platter of ingredients laid out. People take their choice and place it into a bowl of boiling broth. As i recall, there was a large platter laid out with food on the table at the party. Maybe the two are related.
repost
by mistermunky69
Jul 16th, 2007
05:00:24 PM
What the hell am I doing wrong here. I dont see oven mitts, cheese, or any other type of dairy product. the blurbs from the horse frog and duck just have text... what do you have to do to see it? sorry if this has been done. couldnt find it.
Alright, I'll throw something out....
by BillyPilgrim
Jul 16th, 2007
05:08:31 PM
In the Slusho.jp history section it says Noriko loves libations. The common definition for libations is the consumption of a beverage that is generally alcoholic. However there is a second definition. Libation also means the pouring of liquids in a ritual sacrifice to a deity. Just a thought.
Ah yes
by SLURPIEGOD
Jul 16th, 2007
05:08:43 PM
Now that we have that licked, anyone want to touch the duck in the balloon? That's not an innuendo.
BillyPilgrim's Observations
by SLURPIEGOD
Jul 16th, 2007
05:11:36 PM
One thing I find difficult is the pseudo-bad translation that the site is trying to convey. How much of it is a clue?, how much done to show a poor translation? Noriko got drunk and fell off the boat, did'nt she?
Taxi Driver 2
by CuervoJones
Jul 16th, 2007
05:12:05 PM
Violence in New York.
Oven Mitt part deux
by SLURPIEGOD
Jul 16th, 2007
05:12:39 PM
Dry ice or anything extremely frozen is often handeled with an oven mitt / protective glove.
The Slusho.jp story sounds like fucking POKEMON
by rhialto
Jul 16th, 2007
06:11:00 PM
Well let's see where to begin. No it doesn't sound like Pokemon. It sounds like Lovecraft. But I'm sure you know what you're talking about, right? The audience it's being made for is also not a factor even in the slightest, so it's utterly ridiculous for you to bring it up. Plenty of people saw Hellboy who didn't know who the hell Lovecraft was. So it doesn't matter in the slightest. You've just got a rod up your ass because you're terrified all these Lovecraft nerds might be invested in this shit, so you blather on about shit you don't know anything about, or have no bearing on what kind of movie this will be or what it might be inspired by.
fuck you guys make me feel lazy
by the_shogun_gunslinger
Jul 16th, 2007
06:16:30 PM
i swear only AICN TBers would take this much time trying to figure this shit out, haha. feels like i havnt been on here in ages but what can i say? been a few changes and ive been really busy.

this trailer looks pretty interesting but i have to say that it has never got a big response in the theatre and ive had 3 opportunities to see it on the big screen. the biggest response ive heared so far is one guy saying "oh come on.." after the statue of liberty's head came onscreen. so who knows, it could be a huge hit...could be a huge bomb...got my interest tho.

So here is another one. Long winding road.
by BillyPilgrim
Jul 16th, 2007
06:19:49 PM
So I mentioned earlier that libations can be a sacrifice to a deity. The word deliciousness is also on the Slusho history page. A synonym for deliciousness is ambrosia. Ambrosia is often referred to as being a drink in Greek mythology. Is ambrosia the secret ingredient in Slusho? Still with me? Keep following.

In Greek Mythology Neptune was the god of the sea, horses and was also known as the "earth-shaker". When angered Neptune would strike the Earth with is trident and cause earthquakes. Neptune's chariot was pulled by hippocampus or horses that could ride on water. I that why we have a full bodied horse underwater?

Cheese was often used as a "non bloody" sacrifice to gods by the Greeks and Romans.

Blue mitts....well fuck the blue mitts...I got nothing.

So there you have it. The crazy drunken chick stole ambrosia from the gods and her son used it to make Slusho. Now the gods are pissed and Neptune is causing earthquakes and is busting things up. Whew...I'm done. Time for my meds.

There is no movie
by Phategod2
Jul 16th, 2007
06:30:05 PM
After seeing the lackluster line up and the tight lipped Batman Set Harry needed something to keep up the traffic after the Transformers movie was over he called JJ and and if he could come up with something that would keep the TB going till some real cool news on real movie comes down the pipe. j/k - that means I'm kidding.
Abin Sur
by Rantman
Jul 16th, 2007
06:39:51 PM
Lighten up- I was being ironic for fuxake...please feel free to have what fun on this site you feel like having with my blessing............by the way.....it's a cthulhu or maybe a gwangi.............maybe a small ox with a wrecking ball and bazooka
Same shit?
by BillyPilgrim
Jul 16th, 2007
06:46:27 PM
I went off my meds to come up with the greek god shit. This is the thanks I get. Well fuck it all then. Stayin medicated here on out....
Voltron had toys?
by Phategod2
Jul 16th, 2007
07:14:12 PM
Just kidding But back when I was in NYC when I was a kid I could only find Voltron knockoffs.
According to inside sources
by Dietrich
Jul 16th, 2007
07:14:35 PM
you are all being far to analytical. The clues are way simpler than you imagine. reload the 1-18-08. com 6 times
Another clue
by Dietrich
Jul 16th, 2007
07:18:38 PM
1-18-08.com Registrant: Henry Kelvin 1424 East 9th Street New York, NY 10003 US
and another
by Dietrich
Jul 16th, 2007
07:21:30 PM
Henry Kelvin Albert Pike
LOL Kurzinski
by dixieflyer
Jul 16th, 2007
07:24:12 PM
You sure do hate the Lovecraft talk.
Albert Pike is the contact.
by Dietrich
Jul 16th, 2007
07:36:26 PM
And he's dead. But it's a simple...HUGE clue.
Albert Pike Mythos
by Dietrich
Jul 16th, 2007
07:39:57 PM
Pike was said to be a Satanist, who indulged in the occult, and he apparently possessed a bracelet which he used to summon Lucifer, with whom he had constant communication.
Or it might just not be identifiable as Voltron outside
by superninja
Jul 16th, 2007
07:47:41 PM
of a few names and vague character design references.
Why is the new picture on the 1-18-08 site
by superninja
Jul 16th, 2007
07:52:16 PM
slightly transparent? There is a background image there as well which looks like a rocky road leading to a cave of some kind.
To be fair there are a couple of things which tie into
by superninja
Jul 16th, 2007
07:53:52 PM
Voltron, like the New York location and the giant ROBEAST attacking.
MRX67, my last post to you
by BadMrWonka
Jul 16th, 2007
07:54:20 PM
I love that you have the nerve to imply that I couldn't have sold a script here in LA because I'm "on AICN" too much.

where the fuck do you think I do my writing? in a tree? I don't imply that you couldn't work in a mini-mart, because you eat too many candy bars...they're right there! one would not preclude the other.

I write on my computer, which just HAPPENS to be connected to the internet. and so during breaks, I write here, or check e-mail, etc. and when I see people like you drowning in your own self-delusion, I try to give you a hand and bring you back to dry land.

you've got Mori telling you they're 2 separate films. you got magazine articles. IMDB pages. separate writers and producers. and you have NO solid facts (cheese = France is not a solid fact) to indicate it's Voltron. jut because the explosion COULD be this or that, or the roar COULD be this or that. that doesn't PROVE anything. that would just indicate a POSSIBILITY. that's simple logic, man. but of course, every time I've tried to explain that to you, you've ignored it. like the kid with his hands over his eyes, going "you can't see me!!!" so I don't have any illusions that you'll listen to it this time either. but I do have to write it for my own sanity. people using horrendously flawed logic jsut makes my skin crawl.

hence, you're either a joker, in which case you're very devoted, but it's a little sad at this point. or you're truly...truly...stupid.

brother, you have to trust me when I tell you that I am much, much smarter than you, and my annoyance is not due to some unique challenge you've presented to all of us to "keep on searching!", I'm frustrated because in the other TB, people were actually trying to figure things out. now we are spending all our time arguing non-sensical points with you, becase you would rather ignore reality, than admit you're wrong.

it's a small man who backs himself into a corner in an argument, and then faced with a mountain of evidence that he's wrong, just starts clawing at the walls in futility.

it's not Voltron. and even if you continue with your retarded rant about "the V word", and how you're "not saying it", you're still trying to go on with it. so please don't make yourself look stupid and say, "I'm not saying Voltron any more" pleae. shut up with that.

it's not Voltron. Voltron is a separate movie. witha bigger budget, and at least SOME of it will happen during the day, so that we can see the big shiny robots. and there will be toys, and marketing rushes. and yes, they will eventually update their IMDB page, WHEN THEY HAVE A RELEASE DATE AND THEIR MARKETING PUSH STARTS.

your ignorance of common logical fallacies is matched only by your ignorance of filmmaking and film marketing.

and no, my little $200,000 film is not about Voltron. it's about two people in their late 20's trying to make the adjustment from a sort of post-college fun life, to real adulthood.

I hope you get there someday. but I can't talk with you any more. it's too frustrating, and it makes me wish that sweeping education reform would come to our schools as soon as possible.

Open your minds
by Dietrich
Jul 16th, 2007
07:55:40 PM
You Quaids
Sites?
by SLURPIEGOD
Jul 16th, 2007
08:03:45 PM
Just the two confirmed sites so far? I mean honestly, this thing has to stretch 6 months, might be a while before the next bone is thrown.
lol, poor guy
by BadMrWonka
Jul 16th, 2007
08:10:52 PM
you just keep sticking your foot in your mouth. not only have I just sold 2 scripts this year, I have a creative writing degree, a teaching degree (from Oxford), and I spent 5 years TEACHING writing.

you're like 0 for 5 in your sad attacks on me. why not just give up, change your talkback name, and come back under the guise of a new person. a fresh start!

man, I wasn't gonna write any more, but the fiction/non-fiction line was just too funny.

lol thank you
by BadMrWonka
Jul 16th, 2007
08:12:48 PM
if they try to throw in some titties, I'm gonna be mad. they have their place in movies, but mine is not one of them.

there is a mooning scene though. but it's a dude. sorry brother. and it'll probably get cut anyway, it's a throwaway scene.

Kirk Montgomery
by Dr. Smith
Jul 16th, 2007
08:15:03 PM
Has anyone here actually read the story that is pissing everyone off? - I just read it and it's clear to me the exclusive part was the interview with his source. I didn't get anywhere that he was "breaking a story" It never says that in the story - in fact if you google Cloverfield it's everywhere on the web not just AICN- Sure some of the info is vague, but it does clear a few things up. Why so many haters on here?
hey
by MzVamp333
Jul 16th, 2007
08:24:09 PM
does any one else think the monster roaring actually sounds like he's calling "ROB-ERT" might explain the look on Robs face... ???? just a thought....
Is this a clue?
by terraspan
Jul 16th, 2007
08:49:09 PM
About 1-18-08.com: First-: Turning the party picture upside-down and the banner looks kinda like something else. I see 113 in WE'LL and on the far right it looks like a 5. Second: I noticed that there may be a connection to the five senses. Obviously at the party it's taste. The close-up on the girls could be sight. The smoky picture could then be smell. Which would leave hearing and touch. This is probably totally irrelevant but i just wanted to put it out there.
You guys aren't journalists.
by Bob Cryptonight
Jul 16th, 2007
09:01:14 PM
So no one feels the responsibility to credit you with anything.
Oh yeah!
by terraspan
Jul 16th, 2007
09:02:31 PM
And about the Slusho site: It says you can't have only six and at the bottom there are two sets of cups of Slusho. On the left 8 have been drunk with 1 left. On the right only 5 have been drunk with 3 left. So the girl drank enough but the boy still needs to drink. Assuming the children are above their sets of drinks. Work with that.
So, it has evolved into name calling, not just idiotic
by The Dum Guy
Jul 16th, 2007
09:02:45 PM
Guesses.

So, did anyone else catch the thing on FoxNews that said the government can, and does, listen in to people via their cell phones? They said that even if you turn it off they can use the microphone on your' phone, unless you take out the batteries.

I have nothing to add...
msvamp....
by lucid dreamstate
Jul 16th, 2007
09:11:00 PM
the "robert " roar ...that would explain his concerned looks.i like the idea...
Re: Roar
by MzVamp333
Jul 16th, 2007
09:31:15 PM
listen to the trailer again for me.. cos it may just be my imagination after all these days on this thing... but both roars sound like the monster is calling "ROB-BERT"
Stay on task.
by RAVENL0RD
Jul 16th, 2007
09:35:22 PM
Quit fighting over and solve this riddle. Stay on task and solve this thing. Thanks.
yeahhh Underdogthe3rd
by BurgerKing
Jul 16th, 2007
09:37:09 PM
You act as if JJ had anything at all to do with the plots of Season 3 Lost...
Sweet ZombieSolutions Jesus!
by 'Cholera's Ghost
Jul 16th, 2007
09:41:35 PM
What a heart-rending tale of the Blair Witch girl up above! God, if I was her, I would want to go jump off a bridge somewhere. Well done, dear lad. Well done. Spiteful bastard :)
Dammit, I want an Attack of the 50(0) Foot Woman reboot
by Pennsy
Jul 16th, 2007
09:54:37 PM
Dammit! Yeah, that movie was a guilty pleasure back in the day. Not so much the Daryl Hannah remake, though.
Slusho is Hebrew for Chimera.
by future help
Jul 16th, 2007
10:14:10 PM
[edit] Description: Homer's brief description in the Iliad[1] is the earliest literary reference: "a thing of immortal make, not human, lion-fronted and snake behind, a goat in the middle,[2] and snorting out the breath of the terrible flame of bright fire".[3] Hesiod's Theogony follows the Homeric description: he makes the Chimera the issue of Echidna: "She was the mother of Chimaera who breathed raging fire, a creature fearful, great, swift-footed and strong, who had three heads, one of a grim-eyed lion; in her hinderpart, a dragon; and in her middle, a goat, breathing forth a fearful blast of blazing fire. AND SO...The Chimera was finally defeated by Bellerophon with the help of Pegasus at the command of King Iobates of Lycia. He shot the Chimera from the air, safe from her heads and breath, since Pegasus could fly;[6] a scholiast to Homer adds that he finished her off putting a lump of lead on his spear that melted when exposed to Chimera's fiery breath and consequently killed it.
MzVamp333, the first roar sounded like 'Robert'.
by Pennsy
Jul 16th, 2007
10:17:06 PM
The second one, not so much.
Myspace bullshit....
by AUTOmattick
Jul 16th, 2007
10:35:01 PM
Okay people who are posting the Myspace crap... if you click the blog on their sites, it will tell you in the left hand column when they created their myspace... half of the dumb myspaces posted on here are complete crap ade like 2 days ago by teenage fuckheads with nothing better to do than lead everyone in the wrong drection.
MRX67 I think there are more things in favor
by superninja
Jul 16th, 2007
11:19:28 PM
of this film being Cthulhu influenced based on the Slusho site. The Voltron elements are minimal, I think they are less convincing.
ATLANTIS...
by MasterExploder
Jul 16th, 2007
11:24:20 PM
That's what the movie is about. http://www.atlantisrising.com/ issue13/ar13japanunder.html http://www.atlantisrising.com/ issue13/ar13dogu.html look up dogu and kappa. the city of Mu. Alpha Kappa Mu. slushozoom.com had a picture of a kappa, but removed it and replaced it with a statue of liberty picture. the picture of the kappa used to link to an article that described dogu, but has been replaced with the ciakids cheese page. curiouser and curioser...
slushozoom is fake
by rhialto
Jul 16th, 2007
11:27:42 PM
Man, I just love typing that over and over.
Its the Sphinx
by Phategod2
Jul 17th, 2007
12:08:47 AM
Not the mystical creature from Edipus Rex But Leon Sphinx Come to return to ring and destroy NEW YORK.
Anagram possibility?
by cromwell1666
Jul 17th, 2007
12:12:18 AM
Has anyone considered that the tagline "SLUSHO MAKING FRESH IMPROVEMENTS. JUST FOR YOU" is an anagram? Though I have yet to complete one that utilizes all of the letters, I am able to assemble "THE MONSTER IS A....." Maybe its just a coincidence but if anyone else has thoughts along these lines I'd like to hear them!
This is totally a Vampires vs Zombies flick
by LittleDudes
Jul 17th, 2007
12:20:31 AM
Where Hulk Hogan is the referee and is all like "Suck this, brother!" and then totally elbow drops Werewolves in the chest. little-dudes.co.nz
The monster is a...
by BadMrWonka
Jul 17th, 2007
12:27:20 AM
Gruffness Homo Virus Jump Yolk
Groovy Hummus Lisps Junk Offer
Loving Kosher Muff Rumpus Joys
Hooker Grisly Jumps Ovum Snuff
Lump of Junky Smog Sushi Fervor

sometimes anagrams are not the answer...

Longshot?
by blimey13
Jul 17th, 2007
12:37:08 AM
The guy who made this weird site, www.jan182008.com, is named Rick Howard. Rick Howard is also a Pro Skateboarder, he can be seen at, www.skateparkoftampa.com/spot/ results_byskater.aspx?SkaterID =388, and he looks a Hell of a lot like the guy in the trailer talking to the camera at the very end, "Best night of your life." The picture is about 5 years old, and I'm sure it's a longshot at a connection, but the jan18 site is really strange. I've been looking at "Ginaric" and it makes me think this site really does have nothing to do with Cloverfield, but, you never know...
"SLUSHO MAKING FRESH IMPROVEMENTS"
by BadMrWonka
Jul 17th, 2007
12:39:46 AM
can be:

False Shrimp Monters Given Hokum
Fresh Monster Lovemaking is Humps
Gimp's Rehash Monster Movie Flunks
Shaking Sperm Flush Monster Movie

but they are fun...

WONKA!
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 17th, 2007
12:41:25 AM
Quit fucking around with MRX67...I asked you a serious question HOURS ago...do you have a blog or web-site about your movie in development? I'd like to check it out; I'm attempting to make a go of it myself as a writer...comic books for me, although my degree is in film and I did do a little work for an indie producer back when I was in school (circa 2000-2001). Anyway, I am legitimately interested and am not fucking around in any way...so quit screwing around with MRX67 (he's fucking KIDDING anyway) and tell me where I can find out about your movie, dude.
there is no movie so far
by BadMrWonka
Jul 17th, 2007
12:49:00 AM
all they've done is set up a deal to buy the script.

you can see a few things I've done here: www.sparefilms.com

but it's not much of a website yet. when I get back from my trips, I'm gonna work more on it. showing "Henri" at a couple events here in LA was where I met the producer who eventually went to my agency to try to buy the script I had mentioned to him. I still have more time to polish it, hence the september date. but they have the first look deal, and it's already a lock. it'll just depend if they buy it, and have someone else rewrite it, or let me a part of the production. but I haven't ever worked as a writer on a feature yet, so we'll see.

but it's exciting all the same. so no website yet, no nothing yet. hell, we wouldn't even start filming til next year, so it's gonna be a while. things are all hurry up and wait in this business, I've found out.

also, if anyone's from new york, I want to know a really good restaurant in manhattan, since I'm gonna make the guy I'm meeting buy me a nice dinner. I don't eat meat, but I do eat seafood....mmmmm....

An extra 2 cents...
by blimey13
Jul 17th, 2007
12:50:50 AM
Even though no one asked. Ha ha. A leviathan is a fire breathing whale. sea monster.
Cool
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 17th, 2007
12:57:38 AM
I will check out that site tomorrow. So how do you eventually see this film being released (I know it is a long way off...just asking)? Do you know if the producer ultimately plans on taking the film on the festival cicuit to try and find someone to distribute it theatrically, or does he just do dtv stuff?
festival CiRcuit
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 17th, 2007
12:58:35 AM
yeah
Also
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 17th, 2007
01:00:01 AM
Are you in the Guild?
WGA I meant
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 17th, 2007
01:01:36 AM
not Director's Guild
Wonka- Restaurant
by cromwell1666
Jul 17th, 2007
01:12:25 AM
I am from NY. There is a place on Barrow Street(off Bleeker and 7th) called "One if by Land, Two if by sea." They have seafood and veg dishes. $100 per person at least, without drinks. Great food and atmosphere.
cromwell
by BadMrWonka
Jul 17th, 2007
01:14:43 AM
thanks!

general, it remans to be seen, but this guy doesn't do DTV horror ultra low budget stuff. it's much more festival things, but he's had some real successes so far. so we'll see. I really don't know much, yet. I'm trying not to think too much about it, and jsut focus on rewriting until I have to do my travelling.

and now I have to go to bed.

oh, and
by BadMrWonka
Jul 17th, 2007
01:31:08 AM
I'm not in the Guild yet, but I'm joining in August out of necessity.
My insignificant summation
by cromwell1666
Jul 17th, 2007
01:45:11 AM
Moriarty really broke most of the important info. We know its organic, we know it will be filmed from the point of view of the characters by way of their personal recordings. We know its a giant monster attacking a city. Really, all thats left is the definition of the creature. I feel like anything that is unlocked from the slusho site will only confirm these facts, and therefore won't seem like clues but confirmations of what we know already. My hats off to Mr Abrams for making the viewers active participants instead of passive seat fillers.
Cloverfield will rule us all!
by Gibson The Gibbon
Jul 17th, 2007
02:13:50 AM
I salute JJ!: http://tinyurl.com/25d6ck
Slusho Clues
by VagrantNinja
Jul 17th, 2007
03:15:50 AM
Has anyone come up with anything from the History page yet? You know, if you ever over the fish you see cheese and if you hover over the horse you see an oven mitt? I've been thinking about it for days but it seems like something that would be relevant.
Artwork on slushozoom
by texassk8core
Jul 17th, 2007
03:22:06 AM
the painting on the top left is "The Birth of Venus" by Botticelli. The painting at the bootom center is, you guessed it, "Clover Field", by an artist named Alexandra Nechita
Anybody seen Richie?
by Motoko Kusanagi
Jul 17th, 2007
03:32:11 AM
I keep coming back until someone REMEMBERS seeing Richie!
Hidden Images in the Wallpaper downloads
by cromwell1666
Jul 17th, 2007
03:44:16 AM
Ok. I have a laptop with a LCD so im no sure how to proceed if you have a different set-up. Save the largest wallpaper of just the Slusho Cup in the download section, and make sure you save it to a program with zoom features(i know most do). Open it and zoom in as much as you can. Now, for those of you with laptops, take your screen from its current 90 degree(apprx) angle and pull it towards you until its about at 45 degrees. Look at the images visible from only this vantage point. It looks like flames, but scroll in all directions to see if you agree, esp. above the "i"s. Do you see figures? Do you see any faces?
What happened is...
by emeraldboy
Jul 17th, 2007
03:48:17 AM
the writer, Drew Goddard, producer, jj abrams and director, matt reeves, came together, came up with an idea and shot a trailer. They brought the trailer to paramount who went wild and released it into cinemas. There is nothing new in this at all. there is no movie at all. just a mock up of a trailer for a potential movie. There is no actual name for this film. Paramount fucked up by accidently leaking this movie out before its time. there is no script for this film. none and they are holding back because of the pre-negative buzz which precipitated the launch of Transformers(which 150 million and will make more). So paramount is holding back and being very cautios.
So, Rob has to die...
by The Dum Guy
Jul 17th, 2007
04:13:42 AM
If they find the video evidence, or Rob turns into a monster.


Ya, know, if you listen closely and hope to hear the word "Robert" when the monster (I'm guessin) screams/yowls, then it is possible... Then again...
Rabbit Hole
by epevensie
Jul 17th, 2007
04:23:26 AM
If Pike is a real "clue," and not planned misdirection, we are definitely looking at something bigger than a straightforward mutant monster movie.

The Whois info for 1-18-08.com lists the registrant as "In Hoc Signo Vinces." The phrase means "in this sign you will conquer" and is part of the Scottish Rite Freemason's crest.

The contact address listed is for the George Washington Masonic National Memorial in DC. "In Hoc Signo Vinces" is inscribed on the memorial.

Albert Pike (1809-1891) is listed as the site administrator. Pike (1809-1891) "indulged in the occult" and was rumored to be Satanist who possessed a magical bracelet which he used to summon and communicate with Lucifer. Pike was allegedly the Grand Master of a Luciferian group known as the Order of the Palladium (or Sovereign Council of Wisdom), and it was through Palladism that the cult of Satan that was introduced to Masonry. In 1801, Issac Long, had brought a statue of Baphomet (Satan) to Charleston, South Carolina, where he helped to establish the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite. Long apparently chose Charleston because it was geographically located on the 33rd parallel of latitude , and this council is considered to be the Mother Supreme Council of all Masonic Lodges of the World. Notably, Baghdad (in Iraq/Babylon) is also located on the 33rd parallel...

Pike was Long's successor, and, in the mid-19th century, was purportedly introduced to the Illuminati (the "Enlightened Ones"), a secret society dedicated to the abolition of Christianity and the establishment of a one world government. Inspired, Pike authored a ritual guide for Freemasonry which governed the transition of the average high-ranking mason into a top-ranked (33rd degree) Illuminati mason - a secret society within a secret society. Because this inner circle is opened to the very, very few, most Freemasons have no genuine knowledge of the Luciferian purposes of their organization. (In this aspect, Freemasonry is not unlike Scientology (Xenu), Mormonism (Exaltation), etc.) In his 1871 handbook, Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, Pike wrote that "Every Masonic Lodge is a temple of religion; and its teachings are instruction in religion... Masonry, like all the Religions, all the Mysteries, Hermeticism and Alchemy, conceals its secrets from all except the Adepts and Sages, or the Elect, and uses false explanations and misinterpretations of its symbols to mislead those who deserve only to be misled, to conceal the truth, which it calls Light, from them, and to draw them away from it. Truth is not for those who are unworthy or unable to receive it, or would pervert it."

At the center of the religion was Lucifer, the fallen Angel of Light, about whom Pike rhapsodized, "LUCIFER, the Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darknesss! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable blinds feeble, sensual or selfish Souls? Doubt it not!"

Whether by coincidence or via his hotline to satan, Pike allegedly planned or prophesied three world wars that would result in the eradication of Christianity, Zionism, Islam, and Atheism and the rise of a New World Order. The Third World War, Pike purportedly wrote, would be "fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time."

The Luciferian apotheosis occurs with the establishment of a "New World Order" - a facist One World Government, which, after the earth's population has been reduced by two thirds (by war and cataclysm), will exercise complete and total control over every human being.

In his book The Two Babylons, Alexander Hislop wrote that "It is admitted that the secret system of Free Masonry was originally founded on the MYSTERIES OF THE EGYPTIAN ISIS, THE GODDESS-MOTHER, OR WIFE OF OSIRIS." Isis is the Egyptian name for the Babylonian goddess Ishtar, otherwise known as Athena (Greece), Minerva (Egypt and Greece), Astarte (Syria), Cybele (Rome), Ashtoreth (Israel), and Diana (Ephesus). The Statue of Liberty is a representation of Isis, a pagan licentious queen of vice and prostitution. Also known as Ashtoreth, the "Queen of Heaven" and pagan "Mother of God," "Madonna" and "Celestial Virgin." She is the "the daughter of Babylon" in the Book of Revelation who sits"upon a scarlet colored beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. . . And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH" (Rev.17:3-5).

(Notably, Babylon once stood in the country now known as Iraq...)

Originally presented in 1884 as a gift from the French Grand Orient Temple Masons to the Masons of America in celebration of the centenary of the first Masonic Republic, the Statue of liberty holds a Masonic "Torch of Enlightenment." Purportedly, the sculptor, Barholdi, designed the statue as an effigy of Isis, and originally intended it for the the Suez Canal, but the statute was rejected. Accordingly, Lady Liberty was given to the American Freemasons by the French Freemasons as a gift in honor of the Declaration of Independence. (Interestingly, the Cloverfield trailer premiered over the July 4th Independence Day holiday...)

Many Christians and non-Christians alike regard New York City as the modern day "Babylon." Revelations Chapter 18 begins, "And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power . . . And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of demons, and the hold of every foul spirit . . . For all nation have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies."

Seemingly, then, we may be looking at a Biblical end-times film, or at least something involving Satan, or a Larry Cohen "Q"-style version of "the Beast from the Sea." (I also detect possible themes from Cohen's "God Told Me To." Is it really possible that Cloverfield could recycle primary conceits from three different Cohen films - "Q", "God Told Me To," and "The Stuff"?...)

Finally, the most on-point "clue" I've contemplated lately would seem to be Revelations 1:8, which states, “I AM ALPHA AND OMEGA, THE BEGINNING AND THE ENDING,” saith the Lord, who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty." Wait - what was that "debunked" Ethan Haas site supposedly shilling? (Answer: "Alpha Omega rpg

BTW, in another possible 9/11 connection, in "Call of Cthulhu, when the protagonist's dreams reach full-fevered intensity, "hysterical Levantines" mob NYC police.

Again, in keeping with an over-arching, all-encompassing Illuminati conspiracy theory, perhaps Cloverfield simply dumps EVERYTHING (Illuminati, George Bush and 9/11, Isis/Osiris, Lovecraft and Cthulhu, Godzilla, Frankenstein, Revelations and 666, etc.) into a mix in which, at is core, Satan is an extraterrestrial who has been cast down from "Heaven" to the depths of the earth. Although he has interfaced with humanity via dreams since time unknown, he has now been roused from sleep to bring on WWW III and the apocalypse.

epevensie
by Zybon
Jul 17th, 2007
05:28:23 AM
Man, talk about too much information...
Yeah, posts should be limited to 200 words...
by Motoko Kusanagi
Jul 17th, 2007
05:41:10 AM
...and some guys need to learn how to get to the point more quickly and efficient.
after reading the above er, post
by emeraldboy
Jul 17th, 2007
05:47:20 AM
I have deduced that were are looking at a movie financed at least in part by some supporters of the bush administration. Those people who sit in cafes and have long lists of recent earthquakes, because to them that is a sign that the world is about to end. Tony Robinson did a program and it was very intresting the stuff he came up with. Nero when he was freefalling in his mental breakdown. Drew up a list of those who were un roman. They were stamped with the 666 mark and the people who in nero's eyes were unroman fled after being marked and they were scattered throughout europe where they told stories which were handed down for generations to come. One survivor of Neros Purge ended up in a Cave on a greek island. also after being scattered through out europe, these groups of people, saw what we know now as toadstools. These had hallucinagenic qualities and lead to these people going mad, they wrote there stories down. The guy who ended up in the greek cave, not only wrote his story down but left behind cave markings. it has been suggested that St. peter wrote what was to become the book of revelations. Tony Robinson on his illumating trip, revealed that is not the case and he traced back the origins of the book to that cave in greece.
after reading epevensie post
by emeraldboy
Jul 17th, 2007
05:54:47 AM
I thought Lost prophet would have been on epevensie's case, ready to shred epevensie by calling him rambling idiot or saying things like he makes my head hurt or can we not ban him.
seriously epevensie, what's wrong with you?
by just pillow talk
Jul 17th, 2007
06:13:02 AM
If you posted that over multiple posts, there may have been a chance more people would have read that. Plus there's no jokes, tb slang, nothing.
I've never called for you to be banned, twat
by Lost Prophet
Jul 17th, 2007
07:13:38 AM
As much as your rambling incoherent crap drives me mad.
Having now started to read it.
by Lost Prophet
Jul 17th, 2007
07:15:56 AM
I am forced to stop as it is dull.

The difference between that rambling load of bollox and you, emeraldtool (You make me ashamed to have Irish blood btw), is that the aforementioned rambling load of bollox is written in complete sentences. It doesn't look like the deluded scrawlings of a ritalin deprived ADHD kid.

understand?

Having finished to read it I can safely say
by Lost Prophet
Jul 17th, 2007
07:21:49 AM
just read the last paragraph and ignore the rest. That's where the point is.
Over 800 posts and no one has mentioned this. Unreal.
by chrth
Jul 17th, 2007
07:32:33 AM
Everything else y'all're talking about is secondary to this question:

What did Rob borrow the $11 for?!?

The movie is obviously about......
by Elgyn6655321
Jul 17th, 2007
07:38:56 AM
.....Cthulu AND Godzilla both rise from the ocean at the same time and join forces to wreak havoc on New York.......only to be confronted by VOLTRON!! Then things go from bad to worse when a LION escapes from the zoo to cause further horror! And all the while, a group of idiot twentysomethings are running around the streets videotaping all this with handhelds!! And only a mysterious man named Ethan Haas can help them...........
So what you are saying is
by emp
Jul 17th, 2007
07:42:09 AM
that everybody is right? Well, that makes sense. I don't think they have a script yet. They just made the trailer, and are now waiting for people to give them good ideas for the monster and plot. I hope they don't put to much weight on what they read here on AICN, or else it will be 90% voltron stuff.

Fuck viral marketing up its stupid ass.

Chrth, don't get sucked into Speculation City...
by Abin Sur
Jul 17th, 2007
07:44:39 AM
...as I'm now gonna call this talkback. Not that I'm any better, what with all my Cthulhu rantings...
I think it's a remake
by Lost Prophet
Jul 17th, 2007
07:46:24 AM
of Annie.

64 foot orphan girl attacks new york and brings down buildings through force of her caterwauling.

But that $11 is obviously key to the plot!
by chrth
Jul 17th, 2007
07:54:22 AM
Wait ... $11 ... 9/11 ... of course!

In all seriousness, a couple thoughts: anyone else find it unrealistic that there's a giant fireballish thing on the horizon, and the camera decides to follow a couple flaming projectiles?

Also, the fireballs(?) that hit the nearby building is coming from the wrong angle if its origin is the same as the tracked projectiles/giant flame thing, so that's either a mistake or an indication that there are multiple things going on

I could've sworn I heard the word "Chrysler" (as in the building) when watching it last night, but when I watched it this morning I didn't hear it. Which is weird, because I heard it when I paused at one point; maybe I was just hearing a truncated word.

Thanks Chrth, now you've got me started again...
by Abin Sur
Jul 17th, 2007
08:00:14 AM
Watching the trailer, when those fireballs shoot out from the main explosion, about two seconds before the camera guy turns away, I swear that those fireballs started to split into smaller fireballs, and those could have had different trajectories. I've been a dork and watched done slo-mo on the hi-def trailer, and I swear that's what I'm seeing. Or it's a lion.
On the trajectories
by chrth
Jul 17th, 2007
08:06:39 AM
The angle change is too steep. He follows them straight up in the air. If they were making a parabola (out to the left and then back in to hit the building behind them) they'd have to have gone off to the sides from the beginning.

I'm going to post a pic for what I'm discussing.

What about the explosion itself?
by Abin Sur
Jul 17th, 2007
08:20:58 AM
It seems so "perfect", don't you think? It's like the fireball is EXPANDING, not just erupting. I don't know if that's intentional or not, but that seems to be a clue too...a perfect explosion with these uniform projectiles.
abin sur
by nothing of value to add
Jul 17th, 2007
08:22:02 AM
you are right. the projectiles do break in mid air which is indicitive of something that is self combusting or capable of air burst because of the intense heat being surface cooled from the airflow around it or the nature of the air being cooler around it. sulfur or brimstone is one chemical in nature that does this. a pyroclastic reaction...or it could just be a cool special effect.
Nothing of value to add, your name is a misnomer...
by Abin Sur
Jul 17th, 2007
08:28:44 AM
That was most informative, sir!
fireball is 'expanding', and more on the trajectories
by chrth
Jul 17th, 2007
08:30:14 AM
Abin Sur, that's the first thing I thought as well: not an explosion, but a moving/expanding fireball a la the ships burning through the atmosphere in ID4.

I tried to do a pic, but my art talents are non-existent. The projectiles off the main body all look like they're following a natural course, so even a parabolic out-then-in isn't feasible. I rewatched it, and though I wouldn't swear to it, it looks like the projectiles smashing into the nearby buildings are originating from *behind* them, that is, opposite the fireball.

angle of trajectory
by nothing of value to add
Jul 17th, 2007
08:31:23 AM
is impossible to define if you are looking at them straight on or even from a slight angle...i think....
You can't specifically state the angle, no
by chrth
Jul 17th, 2007
08:37:44 AM
But even approximate it's not realistic. The angle on the roof from the explosion viewpoint to the staircase *appears* to be less than 180 degrees. For the projectiles to have originated from the explosion and still hit the way they did, the angle would have to be substantially greater than 180 -- at least 225.

Now, it's feasible that he's turning around so fast that I'm misreading his angle of turn, but honestly, I don't think so. In all seriousness, my spatial recognition skills are superb (I never get a "which of these is the object rotated 180 degrees" question wrong) and I trust them, otherwise I wouldn't have brought it up. The first time I watched it, I knew something was wrong with the angles, and no subsequent rewatching has dissuaded me from that opinion. It looks wrong to me, which says it either IS wrong, or there's something else we're missing.

Remember, there was more than one explosion...
by Abin Sur
Jul 17th, 2007
08:38:14 AM
The first one was what knocked the power out momentarily and was reported on that news broadcast. Now we don't know what path the explosions are following - they could have been in a row or across town. But if there were additional explosions off camera then that could explain the angle of the fireballs.
Re: Other explosions: agreed
by chrth
Jul 17th, 2007
08:41:30 AM
Like I said originally: "an indication that there are multiple things going on". But if there are other explosions going on, doesn't that hurt the various "it's Cthulu/Voltron/etc" theories, because multiple explosions would indicate *multiple* entities.
Chrth, that hurts the Voltron idea, but NOT Cthulhu...
by Abin Sur
Jul 17th, 2007
08:47:27 AM
Those flaming projectiles could be what are known in the Cthulhu Mythos as the "Flame Creatures of Cthugha" OR the "Fire Vampires of Fthaggua." I know I'm reaching, but even now I hold out hope.
MRX, I'm not one of the guys that ragged on you...
by Abin Sur
Jul 17th, 2007
08:57:42 AM
...for Voltron, I just gave you shit for using internet slang like a 13-year old girl. So pardon me while I continue to discuss Cthulhu and all his brethren.
Abin Sur: I just don't see it as a Cthulu movie
by chrth
Jul 17th, 2007
08:57:48 AM
If you're going to do a Cthulu movie right, you either have to do it in Victorian England (cf Neil Gaiman's "A Study in Emerald") or in Brahmin Boston, not modern New York City. It shouldn't be a disaster film (do we really want to see F18s shooting missiles at the Old Ones?), and no matter what 1188 ends up being, right now the trailer is pushing the disaster film angle. Voltron, in my opinion, makes more sense because it can fit in a modern world better (note: I don't think it's Voltron).
Chrth, I know chances are it's not Cthulhu...
by Abin Sur
Jul 17th, 2007
09:01:49 AM
If you've read any of Lovecraft's contemporaries (August Derleth, Donald Wandrei, Robert Bloch...) some of them (Bloch especially) told very strong Lovecraft tales set in more modern times. And I would consider it a disaster movie up until the point where the Statue of Liberty's head is cleanly severed from her body.
Oh, I'm sure the whole thing isn't a disaster film
by chrth
Jul 17th, 2007
09:05:54 AM
But again, if this is a Cthulu movie, imo they're fucking it up. So I disregard the Cthulu theory. DISREGARD AND SHUN!

Frankly, I think it's something 'new' built off of other -- probably religious/apocalyptic -- material.

Aliens are responsible for Intelligent Design?!?
by chrth
Jul 17th, 2007
09:09:18 AM
Wow, the evangelicals ain't going to like that!

In all seriousness, if it's a cascading explosion (first explosion sends off projectiles that trigger secondary explosions), the timing doesn't work for the projectiles from the roof -- although it does for the Head.

Voltron sounds like a pokemon
by Kragmose
Jul 17th, 2007
09:11:06 AM
Seriously
What the fuck is Voltron anyway
by Lost Prophet
Jul 17th, 2007
09:16:23 AM
I think I missed this when I was growing up.
There were two Voltron shows
by chrth
Jul 17th, 2007
09:21:35 AM
In one, five robot lions merged to form a super robot, in the other, fifteen vehicles (five air, land, and sea vehicles) merged to form a super robot. Voltron would be fighting some other big robot/monster, and then the battle would go back and forth until Voltron remembered the giant sword, which he used to win. Why he didn't use the giant sword from the beginning was never answered.
so, basically
by Lost Prophet
Jul 17th, 2007
09:25:41 AM
It's power rangers, then. And people want a live action version of it?
Why Voltron? Why not Goldar the SPACE GIANT?
by Abin Sur
Jul 17th, 2007
09:25:58 AM
Fighting RODAK and his evil Lugo Men? Those Lugo Men creeped the hell out of me when I was a kid.
Lost Prophet and Abin Sur
by chrth
Jul 17th, 2007
09:30:23 AM
LP: Voltron was much better than MMPR, although there were similarities. Voltron had some great secondary plot lines. Plus the lions were really cool.

AS: Because Voltron had Lions, and some people are hearing the word 'Lion' in the trailer. That's why they think it's Voltron.

Wonka...
by BillyPilgrim
Jul 17th, 2007
09:31:44 AM
Tell us more about Shrimp Monster Hokum.
OK, I'll believe you
by Lost Prophet
Jul 17th, 2007
09:35:04 AM
I probably need to see it.

How's about an updating of Blake's 7

Chrth, I know ALL ABOUT "It's a Lion..."
by Abin Sur
Jul 17th, 2007
09:35:53 AM
I was giving shit to people about THAT since day one. ;)
PIKACHU, I CHOOSE YOU!
by BillyPilgrim
Jul 17th, 2007
09:38:34 AM
Because my sanity has come to an end. Good night and good luck.
Heh, there's a picture of Voltron in the Anime article
by Lost Prophet
Jul 17th, 2007
09:55:04 AM
maybe, seeing as AICN has been breaking all the news it is a Voltron adaptation, and they are cleverly trying to hide it by spreading it around.

And if you believe that you really need to get a better tin foil hat.

Still lost as to why anyone would want a film of it though.

ZombieSolutions: What the fuck are you talking about?
by chrth
Jul 17th, 2007
09:57:45 AM
Wow, way to totally not read the posts. Kneejerk often?
Zombie, this should help clear your mind...
by Abin Sur
Jul 17th, 2007
10:03:13 AM
Whenever I think I've figured out the Supreme Being angle, I think of this quote: "The universe is not just grander than we imagine, it's grander than we CAN imagine." Our little brains can only comprehend a fraction of a fraction of the complexity of everything - although some good weed helps. There is no argument for or against a creator that is completely infallible.
zombie
by Lost Prophet
Jul 17th, 2007
10:36:43 AM
what if...

we are actually created by ultimate super smart person, and he has created everything as a school project, and his race is highly evolved so this shit doesn't even come up. Will the universe be destroyed the day after he gets his grade? (Apologies to Asimov)

WERE ALL DOOMED I TELLS YA. FEAR THE COMING OF THE DUSTBIN

ZombieSolutions - THIS JUST IN!!!
by Mr. Nice Gaius
Jul 17th, 2007
10:40:24 AM
Jeff Bridges has been cast as King Zarkon
and
Hugo Weaving is Prince Lotor!!!
Also,
by Lost Prophet
Jul 17th, 2007
10:42:47 AM
does anyone actually give that Intelligent design nonsense any credibility at all. Surely it's just a shitty way of shoehorning creationism into science class?
Lost Prophet: ID is not creationism
by chrth
Jul 17th, 2007
10:54:21 AM
Creationism is the belief that God said Let there be light and he created Man in 6 days, i.e. no Evolution. Intelligent Design says there's Evolution, but that God is an active participant in how Evolution occurs. In other words, besides the biological impetus to evolution, there's a divine one.

Frankly, Intelligent Design is a crock of shit. It makes God look like this crotchety old Gepetto-like figure, who has to keep monkeying around with His creation in order to get it right. I call it Unintelligent Design.

MY God was smart enough to get it right the first time. Another way to show ID versus My View is as follows: With ID, Evolution is happening with assistance from God. With My View, Evolution is happening BECAUSE of God.

OFF TOPIC ALERT! Returning to your 'normal' TB in 4 .. 3 .. 2 ..

splitting hairs Chrth
by Lost Prophet
Jul 17th, 2007
11:03:14 AM
The point I was trying to make is that ID is a way of cramming religious dogma into scientific lessons where it has no right being. That's what Divinity (or whatever religious education class is called nowadays) is for. Teach whatever religion you want there, but don't stray into subjects which you have no right being in.

It is a crock, by the way.

We apologise for the delay, and are pleased to announce
by Lost Prophet
Jul 17th, 2007
11:04:52 AM
that your normal TB service has now resumed

YOU'RE ALL BASTARDS> IT'S VOLTRON>IT's NOT IT'S LOVECRAFT> IT's MISS PIGGY.... etc.

Too Much Information?
by epevensie
Jul 17th, 2007
11:25:46 AM
Perhaps - but things get almost impossibly byzantine once you get pulled into Illuminati/One World Government/Secret Societies conspiracy theories and their related Anti-Christ/Pagan Religions/Whore of Babylon/Death Cult scenarios...

Essential thrust of my post is that, unless JJ Abrams is trying to massively misdirect geekdom by sending us on a wild goose scramble through the history of Freemasonry and the Illuminati, the "monster" would definitely seem to have occult origins related to ancient, pre-Christian Middle Eastern religions (e.g., the child-sacrificing cults of Moloch, Baal, etc.), with connections to modern paganism (Aleister Crowley, the Illuminati, etc.). This fits nicely with Lovecraft/Cthulhu scenarios, as well as almost any other epic-sized evil which might be observed in the history (and prehistory) of man. It also allows for a Godzilla-like symbolism in which the destruction in the film parallels a historical precedent - in Godzilla it was our nation's use of atomic bombs in Japan, in Cloverfield, it is the destruction of the WTC by MIDDLE-EASTERN terrorists.

Most significantly, when specifically considered in the context of Albert Pike and his alleged Luciferian enthusiasms, the beheading of the Statue of Liberty (Isis) is not merely "cool," but fraught with thematic significance.

In particular, I would direct your attention to the Egyptian Delta Cycle Myth, which occurs during a period known as the "First Time" - an era where the gods roamed and ruled the world. (Hmmm... see a Cthulhu/Alpha Omega-Ethan Haas was Right connection?)

Among the deities then traversing the earth were Osiris, husband of Isis, and Set - a spirit of evil so cruel and destructive that he literally tore himself from his mother’s womb. Set seizes power by murdering his brother Osiris and then institutes a reign of terror during which he enslaves his sister, the goddess Isis. Isis is the wife (and sister) of the murdered Osiris, and is pregnant with Osiris' child.

Isis escapes to the swamp of the Delta and gives birth to a son, Horus, who is destined to avenge his father’s death. Once grown, Horus emerges from the Delta and the "counsel of the gods" determines that Set's crown must be given to Horus. Set is enraged and challenges Horus to a battle in the sea, with both of them taking the form of a hippopotamus. During the battle, Isis attempts to assist Horus, but does not do so. Enraged by her failure, Horus rises from the water and cuts off his mother's head.

Again, one can easily see similarities between this myth, the Slusho! history, the Cthulhu mythos, and any number of pagan beliefs and belief systems.

Perhaps Cloverfield is a the ultimate conspiracy film in which members of secret societies devoted to bringing about one-world government (e.g., the Illuminati, etc.), unwittingly unleash a demon at the heart of the world - a primordial being bent on the enslavement of all humanity.

BTW, while I'm sticking to my "effects are unfinished" theory regarding the look of the explosions in the trailer, has anyone considered the possibility that the US military is already engaged by the time our hapless party-goers are observing the activity in lower Lower Manhattan?

Also, given the clear visual parallels to 9/11 which we've seen so far, and which are arguably in the service of a giant monster movie, where is "too soon" brigade?

For an interesting and entertaining dip into interconnecting Satanic conspiracy theories, you might want to visit www.chick.com and read: /reading/tracts/0093/0093_01.a sp

and the post explaining the lengthy post is the same
by Lost Prophet
Jul 17th, 2007
11:42:59 AM
size.

bloody hell. You don't do things by half do you?

It's not "too much" information
by Motoko Kusanagi
Jul 17th, 2007
11:48:23 AM
it's just friggin senseless, useless, loads-o-crap information with no leitmotif.
Would you prefer?
by epevensie
Jul 17th, 2007
11:49:51 AM
"It's a Lion" + Egypt = Sphinx = Revelations "his mouth as the mouth of a lion" + The Beast 666 = Voltron?
Yes.
by Lost Prophet
Jul 17th, 2007
11:50:43 AM

www.1-18-08.com is watching us??
by skynetbauxi
Jul 17th, 2007
12:06:41 PM
I was just clicking about on www.1-18-08.com when a window opened, asking me if the website was allowed to access my webcam and microphone! has this happened to anyone else?? what does it mean??
www.1-18-08.com also invaded my PC
by Motoko Kusanagi
Jul 17th, 2007
12:08:56 PM
and now I got some naked chicks dancing on my desktop.

cool

Lost Prophet: It's not splitting hairs, but you're righ
by chrth
Jul 17th, 2007
12:09:43 PM
t: it is about putting God in the science classroom. I was taught Biology (and thus Evolution) by a Nun, for Chris'sakes, and ID was never brought up (Catholics accept Evolution).
oops, it's just the Flash Player settings
by skynetbauxi
Jul 17th, 2007
12:12:01 PM
damn, and I thought it was some cool viral thingie :-)
I think...
by Kragmose
Jul 17th, 2007
12:13:09 PM
No, I got nothing. Sorry.
Back on ze topic
by chrth
Jul 17th, 2007
12:14:50 PM
It's impossible at this point to start bouncing about what influences are going to appear in the movie because we don't really know. Yes, Miss Liberty's Head taking a vacation from her body could be symbolic of Isis, but it could also be the standard "demonstrate the degree of seriousness by destroying a treasured monument" cliche that we've seen in POTA, ID4, etc. We can't actually make the intuitive leap to Isis until we've established that there are Egyptian or Imperial Roman influences in the film.

That said, we do know that there is a Greek influence because of the trailer (before you go nuts, I'm making a pun).

Of course, I have a more serious question
by chrth
Jul 17th, 2007
12:19:59 PM
Who the FUCK would buy Prison Break figurines? I mean, really, who?
are you really sure you're not JettL93?
by just pillow talk
Jul 17th, 2007
12:23:38 PM
And that question chrth would probably have a disturbing answer. MRX67, why did you buy your prison break figurines?
Speculations Are Based on ACTUAL EVIDENCE
by epevensie
Jul 17th, 2007
12:56:53 PM
And Chrth, the fact that we don't KNOW what the influences are is the reason why we can speculate at all. You agree that, "Yes, Miss Liberty's Head taking a vacation from her body could be symbolic of Isis, but it could also be the standard "demonstrate the degree of seriousness by destroying a treasured monument" cliche that we've seen in POTA, ID4, etc. We can't actually make the intuitive leap to Isis until we've established that there are Egyptian or Imperial Roman influences in the film."

Although I certainly can't PROVE the "Egyptian" influence in the film, website info previously discussed ad nauseum has already pointed us towards Albert Pike and Freemasonry, which necessarily leads to the Illuminati and the pagan representation of ISIS which we know as the Statue of Liberty. Read the history of Lady Liberty - she is not merely "symbolic of Isis," she IS ISIS. (See my previous posts.)

While I agree that the film may be overtly "simple," the EVIDENCE so far is that it will reference lots of different mythologies concerning over-sized destructive entities to the extent that it might be more than a simple "monster movie." My posts are detailed because they has to be - if you don't know the mythologies and histories at issue, you can't see the connections.

Again, the beheading of the Statue of Liberty (who is not figuratively, BUT ACTUALLY a depiction of the Egyptian Goddess ISIS which was originally intended to be installed at the Suez Canal) by the trailer's "monster" would seem to DIRECTLY mirror the decapitation of Isis in the Delta Cycle by HER SON. (See the Slusho! history regarding the apparent origin of "the monster" which takes place in the context of a mother-son relationship.) Similarly, the 9/11 connections to Babylonia are overt and fodder for religious conspiracy/NWO theories which gain traction every day. Moreover, these possibilities are all extremely cool. Why wouldn't you want to see a movie about a rampaging monster that is revealed to actually be a demon - Moloch, Baal, or Lucifer himself? How about a film in which Dick Cheney reveals to George Bush that he (Cheney) is actually an acolyte of Cthulhu and that George Bush's efforts to bring about the New World Order has resulted in the release of a ravening beast harboring a hate of all things human?

News link
by CrazySlasher
Jul 17th, 2007
12:57:06 PM
http://i15.tinypic.com/6cemxoh .jpg
There are already ties between Cthulhu and Dagon
by superninja
Jul 17th, 2007
12:58:29 PM
in the Cthulhu mythos which could be tied into the Biblical apocalypse and merge a lot of these elements.
epevensie
by superninja
Jul 17th, 2007
01:02:01 PM
I know what you are referring to, but what gives you the idea that Abrams and the writer of this film are that steeped in this sort of pagan mythos to use the Statue of Liberty in such a fashion? I highly doubt it. It would be interesting if they had collected all of these elements to make a conspiracy film like that but it usually doesn't happen in Hollywood.
MRX67
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 17th, 2007
01:05:30 PM
If you are serious, then you are fucking insane. Period. I pray to the God of all that is holy that you are not in law enforcement, because, sweet Jesus, no wonder it isn't safe to walk the streets at night. If you are not fucking kidding about this, then I can honestly tell you that you are truly fucking stupid.
Ok, I need to ask this at the risk of getting smacked
by chrth
Jul 17th, 2007
01:06:24 PM
But where exactly are people getting 9/11 stuff from the trailer? As far as I can tell, the events depicted would generate the same reactions even if 9/11 hadn't occurred. Or are people getting it from a different source?
MORI, HARRY...ANYBODY!!!
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 17th, 2007
01:06:37 PM
Can you PLEASE call the Mark Gordon company and get a fucking statement from them on the status of the Voltron movie? Harry, I am about to e-mail you the ocntact info...
I don't think there are 9/11 references in the trailer
by superninja
Jul 17th, 2007
01:08:20 PM
it's just that it gives off a 9/11 vibe taking place in New York and the people running in the streets and the new image with the ash and dust on the 1-18 site.
Hmmm... Maybe its...
by Woggie
Jul 17th, 2007
01:08:40 PM
this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik i/The_Long_Dark_Tea-Time_of_th e_Soul

Guys, Harry's on his honeymoon. Mori is probably
by chrth
Jul 17th, 2007
01:09:42 PM
still in Texas, and everybody else associated with the site is probably working (well, except Herc of course). Throw in the fact that this is essentially a stale TB at this point, and posting comments to Harry, Mori, et al. is not likely to generate a response.
superninja: yeah, but the same thing happened in ...
by chrth
Jul 17th, 2007
01:12:38 PM
Godzilla (with Broderick) and Die Hard 3. So instead of drawing parallels to 9/11, I think we should be doing that with Die Hard 3. Rob is Bruce Willis, the cameraman (who looks a lot like Rob by the way) is Samuel L. Jackson, and the monster is Jeremy Irons trying to loot all the gold downtown.
Superninja
by JeremiahTheProphet
Jul 17th, 2007
01:14:41 PM
Once gain, I agree with your post. Who says that it has to be a straight-cut Cthulhu movie? It could be incoporating a lot of end-of-the-world scenarios. I was actually going to write a book using and idea like tha, but I decided to do the book series I originally was going to do instead. Oh, well...

So saith the Prophet!

Long live TFD!!!

9/11?
by epevensie
Jul 17th, 2007
01:15:28 PM
The explosions and destruction take place in Lower Manhattan, in the former vicinity of the WTC. I agree that any scene of such destruction in NYC will evoke images of 9/11, but this seems altogether intentional; if not, it it will probably be deemed remarkably insensitive. Further, the third photo on the 1-18-08 site, depicting survivors struggling to breath in soot-filled air, could easily have been taken on 9/11.
Wait, I got it!
by chrth
Jul 17th, 2007
01:16:08 PM
Ok, so following on my last post. The monster is not only Jeremy Irons in DH3, he's also Jeremy Irons in Dungeons and Dragons. So the monster is really the unleashed red dragons being used as a distraction so that the gold in Wall Street can be stolen. That explains the trajectories: more than one dragon.
MRX67
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 17th, 2007
01:17:28 PM
I sincerely hope you're kidding about all this, because if you're not then you are a fucking lunatic. It's in Mori's hands now...I just sent him an e-mail with the contact info for the Mark Gordon Company. Now let me ask you a serious question: What will it take to convince you that this is not Voltron? Will a statement from Mark Gordon's office do the trick? And if not, what will? Because if NOTHING will convince you that this isn't Voltron until the day the fucking movie comes out and isn't Voltron...you are certifiable.
MRX67
by just pillow talk
Jul 17th, 2007
01:21:54 PM
After what you have posted throughout this talkback, you are clearly just as disturbed as JettL93. Or as young. Either way, go fuck off.
epevensie: it's not that I don't think you're right
by chrth
Jul 17th, 2007
01:24:09 PM
I just think it's a bad idea. There's a depth present in your analysis that is akin to Matrix Revolutions. Sure, it's a cool fact that Rama Kandra is standing with Sati (sacrifice) between him and Neo (the 6th incarnation) in Mobil Ave station, but if you don't know this while watching the movie, it's something that's lost on you ... and thus the movie is forced to depend on its non-mythological aspects for its appeal. The reason the first Matrix was so well-received was the fact that the Philosophy was surface and pretty much universal. By the time of the 3rd movie, though, it became a mess because it no longer was universal, it was specific and deep. And while I'm not arguing that moviegoers are unable to handle it, the point is there's no time to learn during the course of the movie.

Which is why deep mythology of that sort works best in a TV Show like Lost or Alias. There's plenty of time between eps to expound, declaim, debate, and learn. As a show unfolds its mythology, the audience can embrace its mythology.

I guess my point is: The average American isn't familiar with the SoL as Isis aspect. Therefore, such an element is not well-suited for a movie.

Satan Laughing Spreads His Wings.
by TheBloop
Jul 17th, 2007
01:31:23 PM
Any one else want to hear some Black Sabbath in the next trailer for this movie?
Slusho!
by Woggie
Jul 17th, 2007
01:31:36 PM
The mountains in the background on the home page are a mirror image to each other. Has anyone tried to do an old Mad Magazine fold up on any of the backgrounds?
When the camera is dropped on the staircase
by chrth
Jul 17th, 2007
01:33:02 PM
It's picked up by Rob ... or someone that looks like Rob. But when we get to the street, Rob isn't holding the camera. So, is the cameraman Rob's brother or something?
Steeped in Mythos?
by epevensie
Jul 17th, 2007
01:33:07 PM
I agree that it is unlikely that the writer would have a film such as I've envisioned leap Minerva-like from his head. But once he decided to incorporate ancient mythos, only a moderate amount of research would be needed to play dot-to-dot with the ideas I've enumerated. (You can play the game yourself - just jump from page to page and read up on Albert Pike, Freemasonry, the Statute of Liberty, Isis, Babylon, the Beast of Revelations, etc.) While I agree that this usually doesn't happen in Hollywood, it can; hence the hype. In the end, the use of potent imagery and "symbols" can lend the project a seriousness it might not otherwise possess, elevating it above standard popcorn-movie fare. Isn't it more likely that the filmmakers would focus their attention on fleshing out plot points and thematic elements rather than the invention of anagrams?
demonology
by nothing of value to add
Jul 17th, 2007
01:36:56 PM
with the possible link to freemasonry, which actually stated out with good intentions way back when, the possibilty of the great big gate of hell being groaned open and subsequently releasing the fireball and raining brimstone. then 'it' comes out and because there are no impact tremors maybe it's flying and rips the head off the sol and drops it from a height. or maybe its my mother in law. shes pretty mean... and i look a little like lady liberty.
MRX67
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 17th, 2007
01:40:43 PM
The possibility was eliminated the second that JJ Abrams' people said this was an original property. Or the second that you saw the producer/writers/studio are different. Or the second someone raised the point that there is going to be a massive marketing push for Voltron because it is going to be an incredibly expensive movie to make and will need to make a shitload of loot to turn a profit...and that marketing campaign would have started six months ago if the movie is coming in January 2008. I am not saying with any kind of certainty that it is Cthulhu. I am, however, saying that it is 100% not Voltron. And you know that, too. The only reason you're still beating this dead horse is because you think it's funny to pretend you're retarded. So I will play along and treat you like a retard. Your "theories" on why this is Voltron, particularly your theories about the "clues" on the Slusho site, are some of the dumbest things I have ever heard my entire life. EVER. And I have heard some pretty dumb shit. You constantly say crap like "I see why so many people could vote for Bush, now...nobody likes to listen to facts..." You fucking imbecile: PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE THE REASON THAT BUSH IS PRESIDENT. And people like you are the reason that we are in Iraq. YOU are the one who doesn't listen to facts. YOU are the one who predetermines the conclusion of your theory and then makes up shit to support it. You are the one who clings to blind faith in the face of irrefutable evidence that contradicts your belief. You scoff at people on this site who say they are writers, etc., yet you claim to be a detective...and you don't even know the definition of the word "fact". Listen, Sherlock, why don't you detect the fucking meaning in a dictionary and then tell me that what you're preseting are facts. The "fact" that people think of Mexico when they see a donkey? You don't even know it's a donkey! It could be a horse...so what then? The "fact" that the colors on the site are the same as Voltron's colors? Those are PRIMARY COLORS, asshole. A lot of shit has those colors. If they wanted to give a clue about Voltron, why the fuck wouldn't they put a lion on there? Or even a cat with a crown (king of the jungle...eh...eh...)? I might be getting seriously frustrated that a "grown" man can be so God damned obtuse if it wasn't so much fun fucking with you.
Unchained Voltron by MRX67
by BillyPilgrim
Jul 17th, 2007
01:43:37 PM
Whoa! My love, my Voltron,
I hunger for French cheese,
Alone. Lonely time.
And time goes by, so slowly,
And time can do so much,
Are you still mine?
I need Voltron.
I need Voltron.
Voltron speed your love to me.

Lonely rivers flow to Mexico, with donkeys,
To the open arms of Voltron.
Lonely fanboys sigh, its the french cheese and Mexican donkeys,
I'll be coming home Voltron, wait for me.

Whoa! My love, my Voltron,
I hunger, hunger!, for cheese,
For donkeys. Voltron time.
And time goes by, so slowly,
And time can do so much,
Are you still mine?
I need Voltron.
I need Voltron.
Voltron speed your love to me.

Completely Agree, chrth
by epevensie
Jul 17th, 2007
01:45:25 PM
Your reference to the Matrix overkill is directly on point.

However, I certainly wouldn't expect that many of these symbols and themes would be directly presented in the film ; I just think the filmmakers might understand these connections and appreciate them in a private, inside-joke manner. More importantly, they properly know that, if done right, these are the kinds of elements that lead folks like me to come back to a movie more than once, and even elevate it to "classic" and/or "cult-film" status.

Also, regarding the suitability of episodic TV for the exploration of intricate or complex themes, I note that I don't yet believe that the denials that this is not a "Lost" film, or a film set in the "Lost" universe. As I've said, I've never seen an episode of the show, but understand that JJ's apparently got a lot of explaining to do, and Cloverfield may be a good vehicle for such purpose...

Plot points? Yes. Thematic elements? No.
by chrth
Jul 17th, 2007
01:45:53 PM
Or, I should say, Yes they should focus on Plot Points, but No they should not focus on Thematic elements. You can put as many layers of mythos and allegory on a story that you want but if you do too much you might lose sight of the core plot -- or you might become so beholden to a thematic element that you deviate from your plot to incorporate it. At that point, things start to fall apart.

Ideally, the thematic elements become interpreted naturally even if they weren't deliberately placed in the movie. Example: Cipher in the Matrix. On the one hand his name is a perfect hacker name. On the other hand, there's a short distance from Cipher to Lucifer. Nice, right? Here's the fun part: we don't know if it was intentional. It could just be a happy accident.

But now look at Mobil Ave. The name appears in the background during both main conversations in the station: Sati and Neo and Neo and Rama Kandra. The Wachowskis are practically begging us to interpret it, and of course, it's easily done: Mobil=Limbo. It's OBVIOUS what they're trying to get across. Ditto HEL (I mean, did the Merovingian REALLY have to tell us they have 'gone through hell' to drive home the point?).

To quote the Simpsons: The whole thing smacked of effort. Once you start digging that deep with mythos, and you're forced to point out the allusions, they are no longer interesting; in fact, they start to distract from the movie.

What did work in that scene? The fact that they had to climb a staircase to get to the Merovingian after fighting upside-down guys at the entrace. Why? Dante's Inferno: Dante had to climb an upside-down Lucifer to leave Hell and get to Purgatory. But if you didn't know that, it was a bunch of guys fighting upside down for no reason!

So to conclude: generic mythos is universal. Let it come to the movie rather than make the movie come to it.

nothing of value to add
by just pillow talk
Jul 17th, 2007
01:47:08 PM
Sorry to hear that your mother-in-law likes to terrorize NYC. Good luck with that.

Don't even bother with him General...

just pillow talk
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 17th, 2007
01:52:06 PM
Eh, I'm just bored...there's nothing new of interest on here and I find the guy to be both slightly entertaining AND slightly painful to deal with. I've been pretty convinced for a few days already that the guy's kidding...I wouldn't be so insulting towards him if I really thought he was serious. So fuck his stupid "theories".
The cameraman is prob Rob's best friend. It says so
by superninja
Jul 17th, 2007
01:54:13 PM
during the party scene when the guy eating sushi makes this comment.
MI:3 and J,J. Abrams
by zooch
Jul 17th, 2007
01:54:14 PM
People hate on MI:3 cause they couldn't look past it's star and see it for what it was. The rescue/helicopter chase at the beginning and the bridge scene are some best directed action sequences I've ever seen! Everyone brings up Armageddon, but give the guy a break, You know that piece of shit was ALL Michael Bay's doing. His Superman script depite flaws in character was also ambitiuos, more epic and action packed than Superman Returns was. J.J. is just a great idea man, he comes up with great concepts (ie. LOST) and has an amazing team of creative people work with and is a geek who loves Star Wars and Star Trek.
superninja: we know he's his friend, but watch it again
by chrth
Jul 17th, 2007
02:01:19 PM
It looks like the camera is dropped around 1:15. At 1:17 someone who looks a lot like Rob picks up the camera. But we don't see the camera passed on to anyone.
Fight the power MRX67!
by BillyPilgrim
Jul 17th, 2007
02:04:55 PM
Its Galileo vs the Catholic Church all over again!
epevensie
by superninja
Jul 17th, 2007
02:06:45 PM
I agree that it's not that hard to connect the dots once you know what to look for but you would have to assume that Abrams and the writer are interested enough in the result to do so, and I propose that what you get instead is more along the lines of National Treasure.
BillyPilgrim: Um, Galileo lost ...
by chrth
Jul 17th, 2007
02:06:50 PM
and looked old and pathetic in doing so. I think Rocky versus Apollo Creed would be a better allusion to shoot for.
sorry pillow talk and general jack
by nothing of value to add
Jul 17th, 2007
02:08:58 PM
i have as little clue as really everyone else on here. we all have directions that we tend to lean based on probably what we want to see. some "theories" hold more water than others and i dont claim that mine is the definate one. the site is funny at times and sad at others. my comments are retarded most of the time pillow talk. but quite frankly so are 99% of the rhetoric and slamming that goes on. general i saw your web site just now and very cool. and no its not a suck up it was very cool. anyway, i will rethink before i hit the return key on future posts.
I know what you're talking about but I just
by superninja
Jul 17th, 2007
02:08:59 PM
assume that Rob picks it up and gives it back to him!
BillyPilgrim
by Drathan
Jul 17th, 2007
02:10:07 PM
I hadnt laughed this hard in ages man. You have my respect.
Chrth
by BillyPilgrim
Jul 17th, 2007
02:11:04 PM
Just as MRX67 will look when this is all over. Not sure about old, but certainly pathetic.
But you're fucking kidding...
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 17th, 2007
02:12:09 PM
And I've decided to play along and to mess with you. What other reasons do I need? Let's see...not only do I not "care" what you post on here, I'm pretty sure I have encouraged you to post because you are the most entertaining thing about this thread since any real theories have hit a brick wall. And MY "wild ass theories"? You're TOTALLY fucking kidding. My ONLY wild-ass theory is that you are either playing around or are the dumbest person I have ever encountered. "Process of elimination"? Again, you ARE kidding, right? Explain to me again how you used the process of elimination to decipher that the blue oven mitt on the Slusho site is there because Voltron's sword would be too hot to hold without it; explain to me how you eliminated every other possible thing it could represent. And don't worry, I know what the process of elimination means; I use it all the time (see "my ONLY wild-ass theory" above). It looks like you can't even fucking read (or are at least pretending to be illiterate), since I clearly said in one of my last posts, "I am not saying with any kind of certainty that it is Cthulhu." I asked you a simple question before, so if you're so serious, why don't you answer it: What will it take to convince you that this movie isn't Voltron?
BillyPilgrim: Yeah, but Galileo was right in the end ..
by chrth
Jul 17th, 2007
02:12:35 PM
Now I'm confused ... are you saying that MRX67 will be vindicated?
but not the correct one chrth...
by just pillow talk
Jul 17th, 2007
02:12:55 PM
Billy's is probably the more realistic one. And I tend to agree with ninja that we won't be getting anything too deep from this movie.
nothing of value to add - I wasn't busting your chops
by just pillow talk
Jul 17th, 2007
02:15:59 PM
on that one...I found it pretty amusing actually, especially since one of my friends was just venting about his father-in-law.
nothing of value
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 17th, 2007
02:17:21 PM
Thanks for the kind words, but the actual web-site (www.cosmo-verse.com) IS a piece of shit...but we're working on that. If you think the art, etc., looks cool, I encourage you to follow the links on the web-site (toward the bottom) to the myspace and comicspace pages...there's a lot more stuff on there to look at.
Case in point:
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 17th, 2007
02:20:04 PM
"I have to admit though, i got you idiots talking about it." And THAT is how I know you're kidding, fucker.
Chrth
by BillyPilgrim
Jul 17th, 2007
02:20:06 PM
It's all so confusing. Damn you JJ Abrams! Damn you to hell!
MRX67
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 17th, 2007
02:23:13 PM
If you would stop pretending to be illiterate and just play along with the game you started, you would see that in one of my posts above I discuss sending Moriarty an e-mail (already done) with contact info for the producer listed on IMDB as being the guy who's making Voltron. Hopefully we get a statement...and I am 100% sincere when I say I can't wait to see how you bob & weave your way around that one...
just pillow talk
by nothing of value to add
Jul 17th, 2007
02:24:17 PM
no problem at all. there is so much seriousness in alot of these its confusing to know what is directed where. right now nobody has a clue which direction is up, they just know that the other guys direction isnt up. i agree that some of the 'proof positives' that some people offer are a little thin, which is usually entertaining. usually.
MRX67
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 17th, 2007
02:28:19 PM
BTW, I already sited www.hcdonline.com as a source that you can use to verify Mr. Gordon does NOT have any kind of deal with Paramount.
the idea of intellgient design
by rdsxfan8
Jul 17th, 2007
02:30:04 PM
is all well and good but I gave up on it and joined up with the flying spaghetti monster and the pastafarians RAMEN
I'm losing feeling in my right arm, and I hear buzzing.
by The Dum Guy
Jul 17th, 2007
02:30:10 PM
From all the possible reasons for this "monster" to be.

Freemasons, check. Voltron, check. Satan, check and check. Cthulhu, check. Santa Claus, wait a minute, here's an original...

As I continue to read all the TBs regarding this, I can't help but wonder if MRX is serious? I'm not going to debate something I don't know, but I don't understand how you could continue to believe that it is Voltron, in fact until I starting reading these TBs I had no idea what/who Voltron was.
MRX67
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 17th, 2007
02:33:34 PM
Dude, I think I love you. I am so convinced that you are playing around at this point...and I am not going to lie: I am having a lot of fun going back and forth like this. I DO like the oven mitt connections, but not because I think they're accurate: I think they're funny. You really called Mark Gordon's office? That's fucking AWESOME! Did you get the number out of the Hollywood Creative Directory or what? Anyway...explain to me again what the story in the history section means, and how it relates to Voltron.
Handheld Camera fun
by chrth
Jul 17th, 2007
02:34:26 PM
The movie isn't the Blair Witch Project; there is no reason to have the entire thing filmed with a handheld camera. Heck, why pick up the camera when it's dropped? The 'filmmaker' is not going to have the camera going the whole time; it's unrealistic.

So what does that mean. 1 of 2 things: 1, the movie switches from handheld camera to regular film at some point. Considering how much is shown in the trailer, though, this seems unlikely to me (maybe even jarring to the viewer). 2, then, this is being watched by somebody after the fact. So it's a nested scene. Which indicates there will be more.

One last thought on the camera. Rob seems to over-react to the 'earthquake' when at the window. Maybe he knows what's going on ... and that's why he picked up the camera.

No offense, but if that's how they're adapting Voltron
by superninja
Jul 17th, 2007
02:34:37 PM
count me out. Voltron via camcorder? What's next - He-Man via newsreels?
I believe it's been reported that it will be done
by superninja
Jul 17th, 2007
02:35:53 PM
via camcorder. Maybe it was reported erroneously.
ZS: Your reading comprehension skills are baffling
by chrth
Jul 17th, 2007
02:36:02 PM
Where did I indicate at any point that I was a Creationist?
what if
by rdsxfan8
Jul 17th, 2007
02:38:25 PM
insted of voltron its CAPTAIN PLANET Werent there "6" parts ( well 5 but wehen put together formed one more.... earth , wind, fire, water, and heart and the heart= the fishes luv of cheese and the ovenmitt= the fire element.... I mean come on... throwing out a number and than claiming you've factored out all other choices is illogical. i just got all that off the top of my head and am in no way thinking it is gonna be capt planet or voltron related. just mreely showing you there are other options out there that those "truths or facts" as you call them can apply to.
zombie
by nothing of value to add
Jul 17th, 2007
02:39:34 PM
is it that bad? that people choose to believe certain things about existence(which you spelled wrong, maybe that spelling chromosome wasnt in the primordial slime you developed from)
I still think the best interpretation so far is
by chrth
Jul 17th, 2007
02:41:37 PM
the Jeremy Irons DH3/D&D one.

A lot of people are saying the trailer evokes 9/11, but you know what it reminds me of? The Children of Men opening.

Yes, the Voltron people are dead serious.
by superninja
Jul 17th, 2007
02:42:48 PM
If you go read the script review over at Latino Review there are several things that are vaguely similar to the trailer including the giant Robeast, NY location and apocalyptic theme.
ZombieSolutions likes to express his tolerance
by superninja
Jul 17th, 2007
02:45:32 PM
whenever possible. :)
mrx & general
by jedimindflayer
Jul 17th, 2007
02:45:50 PM
this aint voltron (honestly, no one cares about voltron- not even in like 1986 when it was "popular"), and it aint a standalone flick either. this viral marketing crap (if it does exsist- i'm not entirely convinced; we just may be seeing black dogs in tealeaves here) is set up to generate some serious buzz about something... but a $30m monster flick? i think NOT. this is a cover or- more likely- a smokescreen for another paramount project up-and-coming; the 011808 date is most likely a release date for a proper trailer released on the net, most likely, or attached to another film. hm... any thoughts as to what this paramount property could be? ;)
ZS, you really should be more accepting of Christianity
by Abin Sur
Jul 17th, 2007
02:46:41 PM
...isn't Jesus technically the original zombie?
J.J. Abrams has chosen Voltron. Here's why.
by chrth
Jul 17th, 2007
02:46:48 PM
Because Michael Bay stole Transformers from him.
J.J. Abrams has chosen Voltron. Here's why.
by chrth
Jul 17th, 2007
02:47:43 PM
Because Michael Bay got to Transformers first.
Having some fun on the net
by TK8103
Jul 17th, 2007
02:48:12 PM
Wasn't that what JJ told Harry? Looks like he's having some fun alright, at the expense of obsessive theorists everywhere.
Damn double post!
by chrth
Jul 17th, 2007
02:49:10 PM
Curse this Internets!
abin sur
by nothing of value to add
Jul 17th, 2007
02:49:16 PM
hahahahahahahahahahahaha
MRX67 do you really want this to be the
by superninja
Jul 17th, 2007
02:49:16 PM
Voltron movie? That script over at Latino Review sounds terrible.
The Statue of Liberty
by limedelsol
Jul 17th, 2007
02:49:25 PM
is in the middle of water. So I would think whatever it is would be coming from the water to knock her head of like that.
A lot of people are messing around and just
by superninja
Jul 17th, 2007
02:50:37 PM
joking. I don't think the Cthulhu angle is a crazy theory a lot can be inferred from The Call of Cthulhu, not to mention Abrams has already used Lovecraft references.
jedimindflayer
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 17th, 2007
02:52:25 PM
Briefly, because I've already pointed this out in this huge tb: 30 million is PLENTY to shoot a monster flick seen entirely from the perspective of a wannabe survivor and shot in the "camcorder" style of the trailer, particularly with no big name stars/writers/director attached. You could shoot all the live action footage AND market the movie for 10-15 million TOPS, and have 15-20 million left over for effects...which is PLENTY given the shooting style/concept.
Technically, Jesus is not a zombie not being
by superninja
Jul 17th, 2007
02:52:34 PM
the walking dead, but alive and fully in possession of all of his faculties and then some. :)
Two things (# 2 re: jedimindflayer)
by chrth
Jul 17th, 2007
02:52:43 PM
One, I've decided ZS is a Bot. It finds a keyword of some sort 'B ush', 'Cr eationism', 'Eco nomy' (spaces deliberately added to prevent keywords being picked up) and then autoposts from a pregenerated list of rants. It makes perfect sense when you think about it. Two, viral marketing of a trailer release date would be a ballsy move. But I could see it backfiring, so I don't think anyone would risk it.
There is also a myspace page...
by limedelsol
Jul 17th, 2007
02:53:08 PM
its myspace.com/wellmissyourob. its pretty much a closed private page and Im not too sure if its a fake or not. It says owners name is Jason and it has comments just based on the upcoming party on 1-18-08.
now that sounds like it chrth
by just pillow talk
Jul 17th, 2007
02:53:11 PM
COM had the same sort of calm before the storm..and them bam...bye-bye cafe.

C'mon Zombie, just because someone believes in God, that makes them horrifying? You know what is horrifying? Extremists of any sort who think one side is crazy just because they don't believe in their beliefs.

GeneralJackCosmo I agree.
by superninja
Jul 17th, 2007
02:53:26 PM
Some times a cigar is just a cigar.
Blair Witch. If they are using the same concept
by superninja
Jul 17th, 2007
02:58:14 PM
then than demonstrates it can be done. They said 50% of the budget goes to FX.
Think about it, with special effects if you are using
by superninja
Jul 17th, 2007
03:00:03 PM
a camcorder you can cheat it a bit because the images don't have to be crisp and glossy, they just have to look real enough. It would not require thousands of hours people do this kind of stuff now in commercials all the time.

I WISH Abrams had made Transformers. I doubt he would've used that script and story.

plus
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 17th, 2007
03:01:23 PM
I think a lot of people are sayig 30 million is too low because we're assuming that the film's effects are going to all be cgi...but based on some of the discussions here and elswhere, it looks like there is info out there indicating that Phil Tippett is working on the creature. If that is the case, and this entire movie is going to be shot at night and in the grainy style of the trailer, then who's to say Tippett isn't just using the go-motion process he pioneered for Empire, Jedi, et al.? With a little bit of cgi tweaking, I'm sure that would look great in a film like this...and could be done on the cheap...
rdsxfan8, damnit I was thinking Captain Planet, too but
by The Dum Guy
Jul 17th, 2007
03:05:28 PM
But realized that it would be too over the top since Captain Planet is a hero, and he's going to take polution down to zero. Why would he blow things up? It is not environmentaly friendly, however if Al Gore and Captain Planet fought for the power of being the biggest conservationist, then it maybe possible.
MRX, The Machinist was shot for, I think, around...
by The Dum Guy
Jul 17th, 2007
03:09:06 PM
20-million, but then again, it was shot in Spain doubling for L.A.
hecho in mexico!!!
by infosys
Jul 17th, 2007
03:11:00 PM
So Voltron is going to be made by mexican child laborers from stolen crap!!! the lions will be low-riders!!!
mrx67
by nothing of value to add
Jul 17th, 2007
03:11:49 PM
you are a writer?
kurzinski valentine...
by PROF IKAMONO
Jul 17th, 2007
03:12:44 PM
...my initial post to Drew on this thread was directed ... really to you... based on your continued attacks on both myself and red ned on the previous thread...

...knowing that Moriarty is an intelligent man, I reasoned he would respond to my post exactly as he did...

...clarifying his position... and supporting my own position which you continually attacked over at the other TB regardless of how plainly I tried to explain it to you...

...have you read Drew's post directed to me? ... he says exactly the same thing I said to you over and over again... and yet you kept attacking me for it...

... now you pretend you said the same thing Mori did...

...it was red ned who explained to me that you were a troll... I had never called you such...

however, by your own repeated actions, I must say... if the bridge fits... get under it.

general jack
by nothing of value to add
Jul 17th, 2007
03:16:15 PM
we are practically neighbors. South Bend. are you eventually going to add a character known as mrx67 to your comic?
MRX67
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 17th, 2007
03:17:33 PM
Blair Witch came out in 1999 and cost only 60 THOUSAND. Here are some more recent movies that looked A LOT better and cost under 30 MILLION: Memento/2001/9 million; American Psycho/2000/7 million; Rules of Attraction/2002/4 million; Running Scared/2006/15 million; Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon/2000/17 million; Hostel/2006/4.8 million; Devil's Rejects/2005/7 million...I can keep going with more FACTS if you'd like...
mrx67
by nothing of value to add
Jul 17th, 2007
03:19:56 PM
hats off to you. whats it about....please dont say its about voltron.
BTW
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 17th, 2007
03:20:13 PM
I got my info off of www.boxofficemojo.com
ouch
by nothing of value to add
Jul 17th, 2007
03:24:20 PM
that hurt
Once again
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 17th, 2007
03:24:34 PM
I think a lot of people are saying 30 million is too low because we're assuming that the film's effects are going to all be cgi...but based on some of the discussions here and elswhere, it looks like there is info out there indicating that Phil Tippett is working on the creature. If that is the case, and this entire movie is going to be shot at night and in the grainy style of the trailer, then who's to say Tippett isn't just using the go-motion process he pioneered for Empire, Jedi, et al.? With a little bit of cgi tweaking, I'm sure that would look great in a film like this...and could be done on the cheap...Finally, ask Lloyd Kaufmann or Roger Corman how far they could stretch 30 million. Or ask any tv producer...like, I don't know, JJ Abrams for example...
the banning of antsypantsy...
by PROF IKAMONO
Jul 17th, 2007
03:26:30 PM
...after having talkbacked for at least a couple of years as Prof.Ikamono, I partook in a stupid prank...

...it was very funny at first... even Harry got a big laugh out of it.

...but we took it too far... I continued with the disruption of AICN, long, long, after it stopped being funny...

I was rightfully banned.

I humbly returned to the TalkBacks and wrote my name backwards in penance... for six months or so I was Onomaki Forp...

I waited until I felt I had earned the right to come back as PROF IKAMONO, using this emphatic form of my original userID to state in effect, that I was NEVER to behave destructively on the threads again...

Oh, I might post some silly shit from time to time, but I am sworn never to cause disruption of the function of this website again...

So I am amazed at this Antsy person, who was banned by Drew, right before our eyes for continuously lying and accusing Harry and Drew of all sorts of shit... would come back in seconds on this same thread and continue the same bullshit!!!

...what kind of an ass is that? Not even a "Gee, I might have taken that to far..." No the bastard still thinks it's his right to come into Harry and Drew's "house" as it were and start pissing on the furniture!

I cannot imagine what motivates people like this...

there must be something wrong with their souls...

Also, MRX67...
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 17th, 2007
03:32:58 PM
You kind of missed my point about the budgets. No, none of those films have the kind of effects this one will have. They also didn't cost 30 million. Take American Psycho, for example. That movie only cost 7 million, was shot on film (which is more time-consuming and thus more expensive than dv), and much of it was shot on location. For 7 million. Which would have left 23 million to show a monster fucking up that city. That's my point.
I hope they are going the route that has been suggested
by superninja
Jul 17th, 2007
03:33:10 PM
because I think that style would work great with a monster movie and of course as other films have done it can add a lot of suspense and terror instead of the big budget glossy disaster films which have none. Plus, these films require your imagination to participate in the movie instead of showing you everything.
clearly a squel to planet of the apes reboot.
by PVIII
Jul 17th, 2007
03:33:14 PM
the clues are all there. In the trailer, executive producer is Tim Burton. Helena Bonham Cater is attached to place someone crazy. The roar is the returning monkeys through the time portal. Voltron also co-stars. Mark Whalberg will not be returning. from variety.com.
PROF IKAMONO
by Mr. Nice Gaius
Jul 17th, 2007
03:35:58 PM
If you think him coming back to slag Mori and Harry even further is bad, then you should check out his little blog. The guy has a hateful hard-on for AICN. Not only that, he's apparently taken it upon himself to make his blog your one-stop-shop for all things Cloverfield. I think he's looking for a little internet fame.
"scooby-dooing"
by PROF IKAMONO
Jul 17th, 2007
03:38:25 PM
...it that's what we're doing, can I be Daphne ... and go off looking for "clues" with Fred in the back of the Mystery Machine while Shaggy, Scooby, and Velma do all the work?

... Fred has a very big "clue"...

clearly the new star trek movie.
by PVIII
Jul 17th, 2007
03:46:33 PM
the people at the party are the new crew of the enterprise. spock is the asian guy. the roar is from a borg invasion, helped, in part, by voltron. Written by Robert Orci and Alex Kurtzman. Score by Michael Giacchino. Boffo box office reciepts expected. No news on the new skien from Abrams however. from variety.com.
So why does Rob hand it to the guy? (& Prof)
by chrth
Jul 17th, 2007
04:01:36 PM
You're careening down a staircase because the building you're in is being hit by flaming debris. Who the Fuck cares about a camera in that situation? I can see the camera dude himself grabbing, but why does Rob go out of his way to do it?

What up, Prof? Should've known you'd show back up here ;)

The one thing I find the most interesting...
by DeCypher44
Jul 17th, 2007
04:04:39 PM
The one thing I find the most interesting...

You can hear the "roar" much, MUCH louder then the huge explosion.

Lost prophet
by emeraldboy
Jul 17th, 2007
04:06:25 PM
In what way do i ashame your irish blood?. I dont know you and I have never met you, I am only one person in a country of 4.5 milliion people.
Also, the first "roar" sounds like
by DeCypher44
Jul 17th, 2007
04:06:29 PM
The first roar sounds like a whale out of water. Remember in Star Trek 4 (!), when they had to put the whale song from the probe into a program to synthesize what it would sound like under water?
Maybe there is more than one and it's closer
by superninja
Jul 17th, 2007
04:06:43 PM
than you realize, but just out of sight?
Yes, why would he want to film anything when
by superninja
Jul 17th, 2007
04:21:33 PM
they're just trying to get off the rooftop? It makes sense to hand it back to the owner. He turns it off and then when they get to ground level begins recording again.
I checked upm voltron on Imdb and it
by emeraldboy
Jul 17th, 2007
04:21:43 PM
and it is being released in 2008 but it is not written by the guy who wrote 1-18-08. The write is a guy called Justin Marks. and this is the plot summary..... This updated telling of the VOLTRON story follows a team of space explorers who travel to the planet Arus and learn how to operate Voltron, the last hope against the evil Drule Empire that has subjugated Earth and taken control of the universe
Hey, chrth!
by PROF IKAMONO
Jul 17th, 2007
04:43:46 PM
...a few days ago on one of these "cloverfield" TBs I asked Wonka if he knew where you were...

...I said "chrth could figure all this out if anybody could" or something to that effect...

glad ya finally showed up...

I explored a lot of the stuff e(mund)pevensie has hashed over a long time ago...

I think Pike (a large carniverous fish) is a red herring...

If it had a freemason angle why would they hit
by superninja
Jul 17th, 2007
04:48:36 PM
NYC instead of DC?
...since someone asked...
by PROF IKAMONO
Jul 17th, 2007
04:51:11 PM
...Japanese for blue oven mitt would be "aomito", horse "uma", cheese "chizu" (chizu is also the Japanese for "map"), fish "sakana", duck "ahiru", and balloon "kikkyu"
Oh Lord
by FlatChestedHarmony
Jul 17th, 2007
04:54:37 PM
I see AICN is still taking credit for breaking news on Cloverfield long after it was broken elsewhere. That's really pathetic. Arthur
Awwww shiiiiit...
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 17th, 2007
05:37:29 PM
The web's premiere investigative journalist returns!!! AntsyChested, do you bring links to prove the truth of your allegations, or are you simply here to continue the unsubstantiated bullshit rants you began two days ago? You, my friend, are the fucking pathetic one. See, in the real world, when you accuse someone of something, particularly a crime, you need to back up your claim with PROOF. As opposed to your world, in which you were one of the cool kids(?!) and we are all a bunch of blind, delusional idiots (a world that's about as real as fucking Narnia and Mongo), where someone can just make shit up and everyone pats them on the back for exposing such heinous corruption. Yeah, welcome back you stupid fucking asshole.
This trailer reminds me of Without Warning
by TheNorthlander
Jul 17th, 2007
05:44:37 PM
It's a great little forgotten about TV movie that's out on DVD, and it's completely shot as news casts that continually interfere another movie you're supposedly watching. The news casts are all about how the earth may or may not (you find out at the end) be under alien attack as asteroids start crashing into the planet. It's got a VERY similar feel to it. Really cool stuff. imdb link: http://tinyurl.com/ypxo7y
This fucking dipshit...
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 17th, 2007
05:46:19 PM
posts little gems like this on his blog: "The only thing the AICN crowd has ever broken is a theater seat." Yeah, because he knows all of us, and we're all a bunch of fat fucks. You stupid cocksucker, I'd love the opportunity to laugh in your fucking face in person.
MRX67
by Zybon
Jul 17th, 2007
06:09:56 PM
You do realize the 401 Broadway sign is real right?

http://tinyurl.com/yvkrbw is the same shot as in the trailer except not in the middle of the street and a few meters closer.

SoylentMean
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 17th, 2007
06:26:47 PM
"It would be like watching the UN break down (only the participants would have a deeper appreciation for collectibles)." GOOD SHIT! Seriously, though, I would gladly climb into the ring with a stupid asshole like FlatChestedAntsy...one of my pet peeves is people who hide behind the veil of anonymity provided by the internet and then relentlessly talk shit to people they'll never actually meet.
Can't wait for Comic-con!!!
by DeCypher44
Jul 17th, 2007
06:27:35 PM
Just under two weeks to go. I hope they do it on Saturday as that's when I'll be there.
Which I realize...
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 17th, 2007
06:29:20 PM
I am kind of doing now, but if he did want to fight me I'm sure we could set something up.
Well, looks like next Thursday
by DeCypher44
Jul 17th, 2007
06:31:33 PM
I don't know where MRX67 got all of that info (looks like copy/paste), but if it will be announced at Comic Con, it will most likely be Thursday. JJ will be attending two panels that day.
NYPOST
by Zybon
Jul 17th, 2007
06:34:04 PM
Heres the article from the NYPOST posted on the 16th: http://tinyurl.com/2rwkw9
MRX67
by Zybon
Jul 17th, 2007
06:45:30 PM
1-18-08: "The footage is taken the day before everyone dies. A bunch of kids come to Coney Island with a video camera. The movie is a flashback to that day."

Voltron: "Humanity has gone underground. New York has been decimated and our story opens on the eve of the fifth anniversary of the Drule invasion."

So for Cloverfield, the movie is about New York being destroyed. In Voltron New York was destroyed 5 years prior to the movie taking place. The only way to still maintain a connection between this and Voltron would be to say that all this filming is only for the opening sequence.. which I find hard to believe.

SoylentMean
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 17th, 2007
06:46:47 PM
Amen.
Amen to the whole...
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 17th, 2007
06:48:15 PM
Access Hollywood thing, I mean.
Voltron
by ebonic_plague
Jul 17th, 2007
06:51:11 PM
I can't believe people actually think this is a trailer for fucking Voltron. Words fail me. Idiot children from the future/space piloting cartoon mechanical lions that hook together to form a giant metal man, attacking the Statue of Liberty and killing everyone in NYC, filmed like a Blair Witch horror mockumentary. Sure. Right. Although.... don't let Jon Peters read this... er, rather, don't anyone read this to Jon Peters.
I wan one good reason...
by JeremiahTheProphet
Jul 17th, 2007
07:08:48 PM
why I should believe this is a Voltron movie. I mean, seriously, why would Hollywood wan to gamble with weather or not people will see a movie about giant space lions. Transformers was only made because everyone loves a good pointless action film with corny jokes and special effects. And Speilberg wanted it, so it was going to happen regardless.

Seriously, convince me.

So challengeth the Prophet!

MRX67
by Zybon
Jul 17th, 2007
07:15:19 PM
Read the quote again. It says the WHOLE movie is a flashback to that day. Now it might be kind of cool if this was some kind of collaboration where Cloverfield is the prequel to the Voltron movie that will be released later... I don't know much about the industry though so I don't know how plausible this is :).
The Voltron script sounds like they are going for
by superninja
Jul 17th, 2007
07:17:36 PM
more of the unimaginative pseudo-realism approach. All of the lions are made up of scrap metal, the characters are tattooed or too cool for school, etc. It IS set in NYC, though, and there is a giant Robeast which is an alien sentinel of some kind.
When they say flashback, I am assuming they
by superninja
Jul 17th, 2007
07:19:12 PM
mean in the sense that it was recorded on the day the big event took place in a pseudo-documentary style a la Blair Witch.
Why no TB on the upcoming film "The Last Legion"?
by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz
Jul 17th, 2007
07:24:10 PM
I didn't even know about it till I saw a story on it on yahoo. That looks pretty damn good and coming out in August.
Voltron is one of those things like Gatchaman
by superninja
Jul 17th, 2007
07:24:46 PM
where if you are going to make it and not keep the pop and anime influences - what's the point? That's one of the reasons I want to see if the Bros. W pull Speed Racer off. I think you can keep that look and tell a meaningful adventure story as long as you take the characters seriously and don't belittle them or talk down to the audience. It's just changing the window dressing.
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by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz
Jul 17th, 2007
07:27:13 PM
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Well someone had to do it lol. The discussion that this movie is Voltron is just too funny. I really hope guys don't really believe that lol.
If it was Voltron wouldn't you be kind of concerned
by superninja
Jul 17th, 2007
07:29:05 PM
that it's shot so low budget? Is someone going to be like, "Wow, I can't wait to see that giant robot that I can barely make out between the buildings."
MRX67
by JeremiahTheProphet
Jul 17th, 2007
07:31:35 PM
Well, there was the aftermath of a wedding going on yesterday, so that might be the reason.

So saith the Prophet!

Would you guys have felt cheated if they had shot
by superninja
Jul 17th, 2007
07:32:53 PM
Transformers this way? For instance if Spike had recorded a chapter in his adventure (the first meeting) and was playing it back for someone? The Sector 7 short of Grimlock was done in this style and I thought it worked really well with the classic design influence. It's kind of a neat way to get around the overly slick CGI and be able to tell the story and still have it grounded in realism.
More angles
by chrth
Jul 17th, 2007
07:36:00 PM
Statue of Liberty head comes from the South and East (since it hits the right side of the street from our POV). The SoL is further to the west than the entire island of Manhattan, and Broadway at no point until you reach about 77th (mid-Central Park) has an angle that if you drew a line would fall west of the SOL. There is no way that the head of the SoL can come in from that angle naturally where it lands.

Conclusion -- presuming it's not a mistake -- the head has been carried and thrown after being ripped off the statue.

Clarification on the POV
by chrth
Jul 17th, 2007
07:39:23 PM
We're looking South down Broadway towards the Woolworth building when the head comes flying in. (in fact, the angle is pretty close to the picture at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I mage:Woolworth_building.jpg -- remove spaces, natch)
chrth
by Zybon
Jul 17th, 2007
07:46:02 PM
All that was covered before and doesn't really reveal anything
Zybon: It does reveal one of two things
by chrth
Jul 17th, 2007
07:49:48 PM
1) The filmmakers screwed up

2) It eliminates natural cause for the projectile. The removal of the head and its subsequent throwing were a deliberate act; granted, it might have been a mindless -- as opposed to calculated -- deliberate act, but it was deliberate.

Best night ever
by Zybon
Jul 17th, 2007
07:51:15 PM
"This is gonna be the best night ever." This is more evidence that the movie only takes place over one day (night.) I doubt that line would be at the end of the teaser if it was only depicting the opening sequence...
Corollary
by chrth
Jul 17th, 2007
07:52:04 PM
If it was thrown, whatever threw it had to have a method to throw it. Could be a hand, maybe a pseudopod, maybe a lion's head used as a hand when joined to a large robot. We're eliminating the impossible here, whatever left ... well, you know.
Zybon: re Best Night Ever
by chrth
Jul 17th, 2007
07:54:07 PM
I got the same feeling. However, if the trailer is a flashback among many to that date, it's still usable that way. So the main narrative could be 'later' but the bulk of the movie is 1188. Cameron's Titanic is an example of what I'm talking about.
Read "main narrative" as "framing narrative"
by chrth
Jul 17th, 2007
07:59:47 PM
I don't want any criticism from all the screenwriters in this forum ;)
Opening sequence
by Zybon
Jul 17th, 2007
08:04:02 PM
By opening sequence I mean something as short as the depiction of the future at the beginning of Terminator 2.

This is the script review from Latino Review: http://tinyurl.com/2dxgwb

MRX67 is saying that all of this Cloverfield stuff is just for the opening sequence of that script... which just doesn't fit.

@MRX67: By the way, the owner of that Coney Island park may have said "alien" but that may have just been his interpretation of being told "monster." No need to take everything from word of mouth as 100% true.

Chrth, you know who's got a pseudopod?
by Abin Sur
Jul 17th, 2007
08:07:26 PM
That'd be Cthulhu's pop, also known as Mr. Yog-Sothoth. Thought we needed a Voltron breather...
alien
by Zybon
Jul 17th, 2007
08:11:57 PM
Or it could be an alien that has been on our planet for a very long time, only just recently being awakened.
That's how it's being depicted
by Zybon
Jul 17th, 2007
08:20:59 PM
I'm surprised you're just now saying this. This is basically what the plot was implied to be this entire time.
sigh
by BadMrWonka
Jul 17th, 2007
08:23:33 PM
I can't believe he's still going...

chrth, did you see above where he went on about "if you knew how to write, etc"

I gave up teaching writing after 5 years because of mental giants like this guy.

ask him about being a "detective"...he claimed that at first, now he seems to have backed off...lol

crazy guy...I tried to get him to bet me real money, in paypal excrow, $100, that this wasn't voltron. but he ignored it.

escrow, sorry
by BadMrWonka
Jul 17th, 2007
08:26:13 PM
ugly looking typo...
also
by BadMrWonka
Jul 17th, 2007
08:31:35 PM
I just realized, we won't have to wait for the movie to come out to hear MRX67 eat talkback crow. we just have to wait til the next talkback!

soon enough, some new info will come out. and you KNOW they'll give it a new article, considering each of the other ones have been over 2000 posts. and I GUARANTEE that they will mention something in the body of the article to the effect of, "people are still talking about Voltron. are you joking? here is a direct quote from ______ saying, etc. etc."

and hopefully this will be enough to convince even the most delusional (not naming names) of fans. (MRX67) even if someone has ignored all the rational arguments up til now (MRX67), and agian, I'm not pointing fingers...even if JJ Abrams saying, "This is an original story, NOT based on any previous property." failed to sink into the peabrains (MRX67) of the people still claiming Voltron (MRX67), surely a SECOND quote from the producer of the film saying it has nothing to do with Voltron will convince them. right?

god I hope so. if not, what else is there? how many times do you have to smack your head on something before you pay attention and duck?

I would expect more from a detective. lol...again, not naming names...

Anybody notice the light on the guy's back?
by AdrianVeidt
Jul 17th, 2007
08:34:21 PM
At the very end of the trailer, rob is running out of the door next to a guy in a white button down shirt. The guy has a light on his back (definitely not a print of any kind) that follows him. Any takers?
MRX67, again, not very good detective work
by BadMrWonka
Jul 17th, 2007
08:36:14 PM
I never said a single word about lovecraft, other than that he was a bigot and a sexist asshole. I never claimed to know anything more than what the trailer showed us, and I wanted to find out more clues so that we could find more websites with more info.

I never played the flawed logic speculation game. what you're doing now is called "projecting"...(more specifically it's a "straw man argument") that's were for lack of any logical response to what I wrote, you invent something I didn't say, and attack that.

google "straw man argument", you'll understand.

France = cheese, horse = Mexico!! VOLTRON!!!

MRX67, lol
by BadMrWonka
Jul 17th, 2007
08:40:27 PM
first off, please look up straw man arguments. it's a useful term to learn, and I would love it if you'd learn it so that you wouldn't keep using them over and over in order to avoid answering real questions, or giving logical answers.

again, to be clear, I never said anything about hwo this was a chulthu movie, or lovecraft, or anything. I don't speculate like that, I think it's fun when you actually have some info to go on, but I didn't think we had any. as evidenced by the fac tthat you've gathered a few pebbles and built an imaginary Voltron castle in your head.

and by the by...I'd LOVE to have some proof of you being a detective. you must have a website, right? or a phone number?

if you're a detective, I'm an accordion.

MRX67
by Zybon
Jul 17th, 2007
08:44:31 PM
Please explain how they would fit all of the info we have now on Cloverfield into the opening for Voltron as seen on Latino Review.

"NY1 reporter Torre, on the other hand, was lucky to get plucked to star in the flick, and shot "a lot" more scenes than the one you see in the trailer." - Why would they need so many scenes of a reporter if the destruction of New York only took place at the beginning?

Enough infighting! We have serious work to do here.
by chrth
Jul 17th, 2007
08:48:53 PM
Adrian Veidt: yeah, that is weird. Maybe it's just some plaster from the fracas?
MrX67
by derf24
Jul 17th, 2007
08:51:39 PM
Dude you got some stamina. Still raving about Voltron. Fuck me if im wrong but didnt Voltron take place on the plant Arus?
Torre
by Zybon
Jul 17th, 2007
08:53:58 PM
Did you even watch the trailer? She's on the tv reporting.
Latinoreview
by Zybon
Jul 17th, 2007
08:58:57 PM
Why are they the only ones to have any info on Voltron? They wouldn't make it up would they?
OMG this tool still thinks its Voltron
by Phategod2
Jul 17th, 2007
09:00:38 PM
A number of Hypothetical Questions for the TOOL. If this really was about Voltron WhyTF would the studios be keeping it hush hush. Why wouldn't they shout it from the mountain tops so all the nerds can start rejoiceing with you. 2. (not much of question) There is NO way in hell You can make a Voltron movie for 30 million dollars Im sure those Power Ranger movies cost more then 30 mil to make and unless your using that Polychromatic Sin city with no stars and no advertising budget you can not make a Voltron Movie

2. Is it always customary that when there is a highly popular Talkback there is always some Giant Douchebag who says the Dumbest most idiotic things and is hated by most if not all talkbackers? (MRX67 is to Cloverfield as Ganymede2010 is to Transformers.) I know I can't be the first person to ask this. while I've visited this site for years I just started posting in the TB's last year and there always semms to be one in a TB that last longer then 3 days.

IESB also has info
by chrth
Jul 17th, 2007
09:04:09 PM
Don't know if it's the same as Latinoreview: http://www.iesb.net/index.php? option=com_content&task=view&i d=2711&Itemid=99 (remove spaces as always)
Ok, IESB and Latinoreview reviews are different
by chrth
Jul 17th, 2007
09:11:13 PM
Here's what I gleaned from it: there's nothing from the review that excludes 1188 from being Voltron. There's nothing in the reviews though that sounds like it's the same movie either. The only point of commonality is the attack on Manhattan. Too tenuous, as Manhattan gets attacked frequently.

Frankly, I still think it's Jeremy Irons merging DH3/D&D.

Well...
by JeremiahTheProphet
Jul 17th, 2007
09:14:33 PM
I still have yet to see actual proff of this being Voltron that I can't disprove. Seriously, why do y'all still think this is Voltron? Voltron is a joke now-a-days, jus a lackluster joke from Robot Chicken. And that's all people are going to see in this.

"Hey Carl, you going to see that Voltron movie this weekend?" "What's Voltron? Some kinda high-tech cell phone thing?" "Nah, man. Remember those lion robots from Robot Chicken? It's that." "There's a Robot Chicken movie?! Sweet!!"

That's all that they will see. Prove I'm wrong.

So saith the Prophet!

Kurzinski Valentine
by The Dum Guy
Jul 17th, 2007
09:16:16 PM
If you are J.J. Abrams, then tell me who'd you think would win in a fight, Hurley or Harry?

I come back to this TB every few hours, and I swear it is like the same thing over, and over...

I want some more info on this damnit, and I'm not going to bother digging too deeply into the net for answers, mainly 'cause I'm not smart enough....
found something
by nothing of value to add
Jul 17th, 2007
09:17:48 PM
on the fridge on the right side when he sez 'main dude' is a card with the words squak squak. i looked it up and its a mountain telescope site, kinda goofy, but searching for e.t. life. has this been looked at already?
something of value to add: I haven't seen mention of it
by chrth
Jul 17th, 2007
09:23:09 PM
Nice catch if relevant
its right under the stupid pict of the guy with the
by nothing of value to add
Jul 17th, 2007
09:26:13 PM
goatee who looks like one of the founding members...its a stretch. maybe someone else look. at about 35 sec
its right under the stupid pict of the guy with the
by nothing of value to add
Jul 17th, 2007
09:26:16 PM
goatee who looks like one of the founding members...its a stretch. maybe someone else look. at about 35 sec
its right under the stupid pict of the guy with the
by nothing of value to add
Jul 17th, 2007
09:26:18 PM
goatee who looks like one of the founding members...its a stretch. maybe someone else look. at about 35 sec
CONSPIRASY
by rhialto
Jul 17th, 2007
09:28:42 PM
If people haven't been talking about Voltron lately... well... you know what that means... ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT!
triple post
by nothing of value to add
Jul 17th, 2007
09:30:00 PM
sorry. touchy touch pad.
MRX67-
by mistermunky69
Jul 17th, 2007
09:31:22 PM
What will it take for you to stop believing the volron angle? Im not trying to be a dick either.

It is very clear that you totally disregard any statements made about the movie not being about an existing entity. i;e-The statements about it being an original jj slusho abrams story, that is.

You do not believe these statement hold any water. Correct??

What will it take for you to actually be convinced, short of sitting in a movie theatre and watching the film. Honestly.

Im asking, because i get a strange feeling that even if JJ himself goes to comic con, and denounces all rumors, and spills the beans about what this is,,,, you STILL will not believe HIM. I hope thats not true, but thats the way it seems.

Again, Not trying to be an ass, just throwing this out there.

I dont Even know WTF a Cthulu is
by Phategod2
Jul 17th, 2007
09:34:46 PM
Let alone H P lovecraft I thought Call of Cthulu was a videogame a few weeks don't speak on what you dont know youngblood. Like I said before I hope its 200 ft tall Winnie the Pooh 01/18/ official Winnie the pooh day Coincidence I think not.
mistermunky69
by BadMrWonka
Jul 17th, 2007
09:38:41 PM
I applaud the effort, but we've been down this road with MRX before. hell, I insinuated pretty much the same thing you just asked him, 20 posts up, and he flat out ignored it. then he made up weird nonsense (I'm a lovecraft fan that believed this film was a chulthu flick, when I never said anything about it at all...EVER).

basically, talking logic to MRX67 is like trying to teach a dog to use a computer. entertaining at first, especially if you're a little drunk. but ultimately, it gets extremely annoying after a while, and in the end you just give up and realize it was a pointless exercise in the first place.

you see what I mean?
by BadMrWonka
Jul 17th, 2007
09:39:37 PM
lol...
Well, this is proof enough for me
by JeremiahTheProphet
Jul 17th, 2007
09:39:54 PM
Obviously MRX67 doesn't believe it's Voltron, or he probably would've tried to give us a decent reason as to why we should even consider Voltron as an option for this.

My opinion?

Several monsters or one really fast one. Possibly Cthulhu-like. Not Voltron.

Ever.

sigh*... I see what you mean. ..
by mistermunky69
Jul 17th, 2007
09:44:49 PM
Oh well. Maybe next time.
I know, it's frustrating
by BadMrWonka
Jul 17th, 2007
09:48:32 PM
you ask him specific, clear questions, and he answers with general statements about things he's already said a dozen times. it's a great high school debate tactic, but particularly annoying once you're, you know, not a kid anymore.

specific questions deserve specific answers. you gave, what I thought, was a very good specific question for MRX69. I'd love to hear him answer it. of course, I'm still waiting for some proof that he's (wait for it) a detective...lol

I said it before. if he's a detective, I'm an accordian.

I understand that you believe this is Voltron...
by JeremiahTheProphet
Jul 17th, 2007
09:56:36 PM
... and nothing else, just as I can see that opinion (albeit with the roles switched around) is believed by the rest of us as this being something else and not Voltron. But, as stated earlier, I fail to see how you can make this decision on the information uncovered in this TB. I meerly am curious as to what specific fact caused you to change sides and see this as a Voltron movie.

As a request, I only want to know what it was tha changed your mind, nothing more. Do this, and I shall give you the benefit of the doubt and stop shooting your generalizations down.

So speaks Galactus.

what do you mean from now on?
by BadMrWonka
Jul 17th, 2007
10:10:40 PM
that's all you do anyway.

scroll up. munky asked you a specific question, and I think it deserves an answer.

it was in reference to JJ Abrams at comic-con.

But the only point I am trying to make...
by JeremiahTheProphet
Jul 17th, 2007
10:14:53 PM
...is that a lot of movies have had plots exactly like that. The points you give are:

1.) Manhattan is attacked by an alien.

2.) The alien is huge which destroys NYC in one day.

Well, I can name a few 50's B-movies that you've never heard of that fit that description. "Independance Day" had that premise and I could even argue that "Muppets Take Manhattan" fits that description. I just boggles my mind how you could believe this by only having wo poins of proof. I ask for any further information. I really wan to be convinced of something, because I'm not sure what's going on with this movie anymore.

So saith the Prophet.

But the only point I am trying to make...
by JeremiahTheProphet
Jul 17th, 2007
10:14:53 PM
...is that a lot of movies have had plots exactly like that. The points you give are:

1.) Manhattan is attacked by an alien.

2.) The alien is huge which destroys NYC in one day.

Well, I can name a few 50's B-movies that you've never heard of that fit that description. "Independance Day" had that premise and I could even argue that "Muppets Take Manhattan" fits that description. I just boggles my mind how you could believe this by only having wo poins of proof. I ask for any further information. I really wan to be convinced of something, because I'm not sure what's going on with this movie anymore.

So saith the Prophet.

Whoops!
by JeremiahTheProphet
Jul 17th, 2007
10:16:28 PM
Double post. My apologies.
The creature(s) can't be too intelligent
by chrth
Jul 17th, 2007
10:17:42 PM
The SOL's head is pure copper. Don't they know how much copper is worth right now? Who would voluntarily discard it?
The problem with his responses,
by mistermunky69
Jul 17th, 2007
10:20:17 PM
is that, for the most part, they are presented as "facts". Not speculation, or theory as they should be.

Also, he says he will believe the voltron story until someone proves him wrong. I may be mistaken, but Ive seen quite a few people bring, at the very least, a REASONABLE arguement against it, and he just guns it down with jeuvenille responses.

I dont claim to know anymore about this movie than anyone else, but I have to say, its not looking good for ol' voltron. The fact that a carny referred to it as an alien does not entirly sell me.

IDIOT Thy name is MRX67
by Phategod2
Jul 17th, 2007
10:20:23 PM
there is no way you could believe the crap you type lets see JJ has refuted the Voltron how many times in the past week, Its been stated that this is a original IP. I can understand being wrong and sticking to your guns about something you believe But Homey (and I dont call everyone homey so you know I'm really trying to get the point across) You horse has been dead turned to glue and plastered over a Challenger Space shuttle so stop beating it. LET IT THE HELL GO if your not serious then just add the jokes if your serious go to website and get laughed at officially.
You still haven't told me...
by Zybon
Jul 17th, 2007
10:20:56 PM
You still haven't told me how all of the known info about Cloverfield would fit into the opening for Voltron. It seems clear that there is way too much content, and too much detail, regarding the destruction of New York to restrict it to a few minutes.

It seems like any evidence presented to prove you wrong you just dismiss as misdirection (like the budget.)

MRX67: Your method is flawed
by chrth
Jul 17th, 2007
10:21:03 PM
You're stating that 'I want to figure this thing out, and that's all that matters now.' but at the some time you're working from a conclusion, i.e., that 1188=Voltron. The too are fundamentally incompatible; you won't be able to figure it out as long as you've constrained yourself. When Holmes said 'Eliminate the impossible, and whatever is left, no matter how improbable, is the truth' he didn't mean to determine the improbable first and then discount everything that doesn't mesh with it as impossible.
"two movies with basically the same plot being released
by chrth
Jul 17th, 2007
10:23:31 PM
in the same year?"

You haven't established it's the same plot, all you've established is that it's the same SETTING. There's a huge difference there.

Deep Impact = Armageddon
by Zybon
Jul 17th, 2007
10:25:09 PM
They both come out in 98 and both have meteors coming to earth.. they must be the same.
And Stop Listening to
by Phategod2
Jul 17th, 2007
10:25:30 PM
Olivia Munn.
An exclusive look at the JJ Abrams pitch
by chrth
Jul 17th, 2007
10:28:11 PM
JJ: Ok, I got this great film idea. TR: I'm listening. JJ: It's Dungeons and Dragons meets Die Hard 3. We'll get Jeremy Irons, set it in New York again, it'll be gangbusters. TR: Can we get Buck Henry to write it?
Wait a second
by chrth
Jul 17th, 2007
10:29:59 PM
If Voltron is "wrapped in secrecy", how did 2 script reviews pop up on credible sites simultaneously? How much secrecy can you have for a film when the entire plot of it is laid out a year before it's released?
It would be nice if people
by WilliamWallace1974
Jul 17th, 2007
10:31:41 PM
It would be nice if people would actually discuss the movie realistically, instead of this Voltron nonsense. Voltron was specifically ruled out by Abrams. He has absolutely no reason to state otherwise. It's not like it will be a giant Easter egg if it were Voltron for the 53 people who actually watched that garbage.
MRX...
by Red Ned Lynch
Jul 17th, 2007
10:37:22 PM
MRX, sometimes my five year old says something really funny or does some funny pratfall and everyone laughs. So he does it again. We laugh again. He does it again. We laugh, but it's a little forced. He does it again. We smile and tell him that was very funny. Eventually I'll tell him something along the line of "Hey big guy, things are funny the first time you do them partly because of the newness and surprise. But the more you do them, especially over and over, the less funny they get." And he understands and we go on to something else. What you're doing here is the equivalent of him doing one of those things until he turned eighteen. I mean it was nearly two days ago I checked in on this and you are still playing the exact same riff. You're a fly in amber that's somehow still buzzing.
chrth, don't get trapped in his web!
by BadMrWonka
Jul 17th, 2007
10:37:31 PM
you'll never get out!

I've already gone over the logic fallacies in his theories, but he just ignores them.

you ask him a specific question, warranting a SPECIFIC answer, and he comes back with, "look, this is how it is..." and gives some general statement. he is fundamentally incapable of asking a specific question, and as such, impossible to speak with coherently.

all that's left is to wait until the next AICN article on 1-18-08, and we'll see how deep his denial runs.

oh, chrth, do you have the West Wing complete series? it's on HUGE sale on amazon.com right now, and oh lord is it great. think about it: you're up late, with your little one and a bottle. you want to sleep, but you can't. but wait...what's that DVD by the DVD player? oh yeah, it's 140 hours of the best series ever on television!

the West Wing is the only proof I have ever found of the existence of God. but it's almost enough to make me believe.

WilliamWallace1974: Them fightin' words
by chrth
Jul 17th, 2007
10:38:11 PM
Voltron was very popular, and was a much better written/animated show than Transformers or Thundercats.

If you ignore the fact they always waited until the end to draw the sword and win the battle.

answering, not asking
by BadMrWonka
Jul 17th, 2007
10:39:32 PM
my bad
My point was proven by what you just said
by JeremiahTheProphet
Jul 17th, 2007
10:40:26 PM
Your reply included the statement "One movie has a script and no cast,and no director while the other has a cast and a director but no full script and is being kept under lock and key". I pose to you this question:

If this was indeed Voltron, would there not have been a full script already prepared a the time of filming instead of the "no full script" that you yourself have suggested?

I believe that movies in the nature of Voltron (giant robots, nostalgia, destruction of NYC, ect.) are practically required a script by the time filming commences (ie. Transformers). However, giving the nature of the "Cloverfield" synopsis we are supplied with (hand-held camera, mass hysteria, destruction of surroundings, ect.) would probably benefit from a 'loose' script, as they would want the actors to play it all out as naturally as possible. the opposite of this notion, I believe, would be considered choreography, which would be used in a giant robot movie. I still have my eyes and ears opened to accept other opinions, and I hope that you do as well.

So saith the Prophet.

"Do we have the full plot on Cloverfield" (& Wonka)
by chrth
Jul 17th, 2007
10:41:12 PM
No, which is why your statement "basically the same plot" is incorrect.

Wonka: Never got into the West Wing, don't expect I will now. My backlog of shows to watch is excessive (still waiting for Lost to wrap up before I start watching that), and with the Heroes/BSG spawning of more scifi shows, my new show card is starting to fill up.

MRX69
by BadMrWonka
Jul 17th, 2007
10:43:03 PM
you haven't responded to any of the questions.

people ask you specific questions, you ignore them, and make a general statement.

why are you incapable of answering specific questions? why are you so indignant? if you believe something that 99% of other people believe, you have to have the strength of character to defend it, don't you? if not, what else is left but to give up?

oh...ok, I see...

99% of people DON'T believe, I meant
by BadMrWonka
Jul 17th, 2007
10:47:29 PM
fuck I am having trouble typing.

I love exchanges that go like this:

someone: MRX, here is question X

MRX: I will believe it's voltron until someone proves otherwise!

someone: right, but my question X pokes a hole in your theory, can you address it?

MRX: guys, this is what I believe, can any of you disprove it?

someone: we have given you a lot of reasons why your reasoning is flawed, can you please answer one specific question? what about question X?!

MRX: that's it, I'm not answering any more questions.

fucking ridiculous

and chrth
by BadMrWonka
Jul 17th, 2007
10:49:02 PM
you HAVE to get into the WEst Wing....greatest show ever...I am literally envious of you not having seen a lot of episodes, because now you can buy the complete series, and watch them one by one...truly, sir, you are blessed. yes, the baby is part of it. but this is also a blessed thing. it's like...60/40 for the west wing in the blessing department...
sigh
by BadMrWonka
Jul 17th, 2007
10:50:29 PM
you're so meta. you're doing what I'm making fun of you for doing, WHILE I'm making fun of you for doing it.

I don't know if that's sad or funny.

Wonka: You're expressing some oc behavior
by chrth
Jul 17th, 2007
10:52:20 PM
(Obsessive-Compulsive, not Orange County, bitch). Calllllm down.

Besides I refuse to watch anything from Sorkin when everyone knows that last good thing he wrote was a Few Good Men.

(runs)

MRX, Cthulhu and the Old Ones are from outer space.
by superninja
Jul 17th, 2007
10:52:27 PM
Just thought you should know. They are a vanguard for an alien invasion.
You guys all missed it...
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 17th, 2007
10:55:18 PM
A few hours ago that cocksucker AntsyPantsy/FlatChested made an appearance. THERE'S a truly stupid fuck. MRX67 is only kidding around...that's why he wouldn't bet Wonka. This other asshole is dead serious, and makes his "arguments" the exact sam way.
I got the impression Rob was a businessman
by chrth
Jul 17th, 2007
10:56:04 PM
Mostly because it's set downtown. I don't know if a scientist could afford that big of an apartment near City Hall.
This damn movie...
by blimey13
Jul 17th, 2007
10:56:09 PM
So I'm still stuck on trying to find information on what this damn movie is about. I know everyone has stated that the movie has nothing to do with Lost. I've never seen the show, but I looked up info on it. Isn't one of the main plot points the The Valenzetti Equation. This somehow predicts the end of the human race. The "Lost Numbers" also all add up to 108, and have to be entered every 108 minutes. Since everyone is so sure the film and Lost are VERY separate, I think the date may just be another shout out, like Slusho.
you better run!!! Sorkin is a genius!
by BadMrWonka
Jul 17th, 2007
10:56:26 PM
and if you saw my apartment, you wouldn't accuse me of being OCD...lol

trust me, the west wing is worth it. and for $170 for the complete series, it's a steal. but I have faith in your taste, and intellect. you'll find your way to the West Wing eventually...

chrth
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 17th, 2007
10:58:20 PM
Batman's a scientist.
There are also a conspiracy theory that claims
by superninja
Jul 17th, 2007
10:58:23 PM
aliens are actually demons, so it could still fit in with the apocalypse theme.
Random thing I just noticed...
by JeremiahTheProphet
Jul 17th, 2007
10:59:43 PM
Hey, you know that picture of the party on 1-18-08.com? The one with the creepy yellow dude? Well, it is just me, or does the shot glass kinda look like some sort of rodent? You know, like a mouse or sumfink.

so noticeth the Prophet.

Also,
by blimey13
Jul 17th, 2007
11:00:46 PM
someone made a fairly good argument concerning the behemoth, leviathan, and ziz over on a joblo.com blog. And, I was saying before, leviathan is equated to a giant fire beathing whale monster thing.
GeneralJackCosmo: Yeah, but if Batman rented downtown
by chrth
Jul 17th, 2007
11:01:30 PM
He couldn't afford all his wonderful toys. That's why he lives in a mortgage-free drafty relic.
Scientists
by blimey13
Jul 17th, 2007
11:04:38 PM
make a pretty penny, if you know what you're doing.
From Wiki Cthulhu page:
by superninja
Jul 17th, 2007
11:05:03 PM
"They were not composed altogether of flesh and blood. They had shape...but that shape was not made of matter. When the stars were right, They could plunge from world to world through the sky; but when the stars were wrong, They could not live. But although They no longer lived, They would never really die. They all lay in stone houses in Their great city of R'lyeh, preserved by the spells of mighty Cthulhu for a glorious resurrection when the stars and the earth might once more be ready for them."

R'lyeh is underwater incidentally.

"...the secret priests would take great Cthulhu from His tomb to revive His subjects and resume His rule of earth....Then mankind would have become as the Great Old Ones; free and wild and beyond good and evil, with laws and morals thrown aside and all men shouting and killing and revelling in joy. Then the liberated Old Ones would teach them new ways to shout and kill and revel and enjoy themselves, and all the earth would flame with a holocaust of ecstasy and freedom."

If you are going to do a hand cam movie about a disaster and invasion, the plot is already written for you.

He couldn't be a scientist
by chrth
Jul 17th, 2007
11:07:06 PM
Unless those chicks were escorts or something. All scientists' female friends look like Janeane Garafolo. FACT.
No, Batman DOES science. Batman is a detective.
by superninja
Jul 17th, 2007
11:07:17 PM
chrth
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 17th, 2007
11:07:45 PM
Point taken. However, I do love Batman (how far away is June again?)...so allow me to retort: He would just buy an entire building.
superninja
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 17th, 2007
11:09:06 PM
"Batman's a scientist" is actually just a quote from The Simpsons (the monorail episode). That's really why I said it.
I renew my earlier objection to Cthulu
by chrth
Jul 17th, 2007
11:09:27 PM
Lovecraft excels in ATMOSPHERE. If you're going to do Cthulu, you really ought to set it in the 19th century, pre-WWI at the latest. Modern times won't work right. So speaketh ChrThulu!
GeneralJackCosmo: Doh!
by chrth
Jul 17th, 2007
11:10:16 PM
Nice one. Can't believe I missed it.
The Lost island also sounds perhaps influenced by
by superninja
Jul 17th, 2007
11:10:34 PM
R'yleh. In Call of Cthulhu people go to the island which is mysteriously raised out of the ocean where they find artifacts and people start to disappear.
Yeah
by blimey13
Jul 17th, 2007
11:11:16 PM
None of you are scientists.
Alias has Garner's character searching for
by superninja
Jul 17th, 2007
11:12:26 PM
artifacts.
So
by blimey13
Jul 17th, 2007
11:13:05 PM
is JJ some Lovecraft cultist or what?
MRX67
by JeremiahTheProphet
Jul 17th, 2007
11:13:39 PM
This is why we believed this to be a Cthulhu movie. And, once again Superninja, you have helped us all out a great deal. *bows deeply*

And if you really want to find the biggest ass in AICN (aside from Harry, that is), look for Gabriel Grey sometime. I saw him once, hated him instantly, and then he disappeared forever. My guess as to his fate? I believe TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION killed him.

So saith a Prophet of TFD.

That episode...
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 17th, 2007
11:14:04 PM
has a few MONEY lines; "I call the big one 'Bitey'" is a personal favorite.
I can't believe that the Idea of VOLTRON is polluting
by cromwell1666
Jul 17th, 2007
11:14:10 PM
this TB. Here is one difference between the Abrams film and Voltron. VOLTRON IS GOING TO SUCK GUARANTEED! What would be the point of all this hype and speculation for a movie based on such a mediocre 80's cartoon. Voltron may have had some fans, but it was always D-list at best.
Really though
by blimey13
Jul 17th, 2007
11:15:00 PM
You suppose he tying his work together for the fanobys? Maybe other site in reference to Lost or Felicity or something are out there? Any ideas?
Other sites
by blimey13
Jul 17th, 2007
11:15:43 PM
relating to 1-18-08, I mean.
Maybe
by blimey13
Jul 17th, 2007
11:16:33 PM
Kerri Russel is the monster. Kerri Vs. Voltron. Yeah.
Guten nacht all
by chrth
Jul 17th, 2007
11:16:50 PM
Tonight I'm programming myself to dream about the trailer.
mayor quimby: "and can I say..."
by BadMrWonka
Jul 17th, 2007
11:16:54 PM
"do you even know who I am?"

"I believe so...aren't you one of the little rascals?

mayor quimby: "and can I say...
by BadMrWonka
Jul 17th, 2007
11:18:34 PM
may the force be with you..."
leonard nimoy: "do you even know who I am?"
mayor quimby: "I believe so...aren't you one of the little rascals?"

written by Conan O'Brien, that was one of the best Simpsons episodes ever...

Speaking Of Cocksuckers
by FlatChestedHarmony
Jul 17th, 2007
11:19:34 PM
Are Harry And Mori still stealing stories and saying it's their secret source?
One last quote
by chrth
Jul 17th, 2007
11:19:54 PM
Nimoy: Well, my work here is done

Barney: But you didn't do anything!

Nimoy: Didn't I?

(cue transporter)

that was weird
by BadMrWonka
Jul 17th, 2007
11:20:25 PM
how did I post halfway through without the page refreshing?

AICN is haunted sometimes...

The giant magnifying glass...
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 17th, 2007
11:21:26 PM
The escalator to nowhere...
GeneralJackCosmo
by superninja
Jul 17th, 2007
11:22:22 PM
Ok, sorry!
YES!
by GeneralJackCosmo
Jul 17th, 2007
11:22:42 PM
FlatChested! What's up, you fucker?
Mummu Tiamat...
by Red Ned Lynch
Jul 17th, 2007
11:26:45 PM
...cause hell, someone had to say it.
MRX that is why I have been saying that although
by superninja
Jul 17th, 2007
11:27:44 PM
some details jive with the Voltron script review, The Call of Cthulhu seems much stronger. I don't think it has to be Cthulhu, but some influence possibly incl. Toro monster films.

Other things from the Slusho site which jive with Cthulhu are the dream which gives Ganu the idea of how to use the secret ingredient, and the secret ingredient being at the bottom of the ocean (R'yleh's location), and the little fish becoming an enormous whale (becoming great like the Old Ones).

Oh, bloody hell...
by JeremiahTheProphet
Jul 17th, 2007
11:28:29 PM
Jack, am I going to have to separate you from Flatchested?

Honestly, kids these days with their pointless hatred and rock 'n roll music...

So saith the Prophet as he knits!

I don't think Rob and his crew know about it, although
by superninja
Jul 17th, 2007
11:31:07 PM
someone associated with Rob might know it or Rob might be getting dreams prompting him as well such as going to Japan to work for Slusho.
I'm not saying it's Voltron, BUT
by Another Opinion
Jul 17th, 2007
11:33:46 PM
He does say, "It's a lion!" Case closed. With all the references in the trailer to the mysterious noise sounding like an animal, it's just plain obvious that the guy is yelling about a giant lion. Again, I'm not saying it's Voltron, but the guy IS yelling about a lion. Just wanted to go on record.
Well, Conan's on...
by JeremiahTheProphet
Jul 17th, 2007
11:34:18 PM
Good night and God bless!

So dreameth the Prophet.

I am not totally sure about Cthulhu's powers as he
by superninja
Jul 17th, 2007
11:35:00 PM
seems rather mysterious but they appear more supernatural in nature. I believe it is already confirmed the explosion is due to an oil tanker - it is sufficent that something coming from the ocean big enough to displace a lot of water could push a tanker inland. I believe the earthquake takes place prior to the explosion. The Statue of Liberty head toss is a completely separate incident. There are two roars, so maybe there are two beasts? But it seems just as easily it could be moving their way and it's the same creature both times.
That's silly
by blimey13
Jul 17th, 2007
11:36:12 PM
lions don't sound like that! Now, giant robotic lions...
Three roars
by blimey13
Jul 17th, 2007
11:37:18 PM
there are three.
Eh, who cares? It's AICN for pete's sake!
by superninja
Jul 17th, 2007
11:40:18 PM
The Voltron thing doesn't bug me it does match a couple of things in the Voltron script. I just think the vibe is too far off when it's clear what that Voltron script is going for (Transformers part deux).
Thanks for the correction, blimey.
by superninja
Jul 17th, 2007
11:41:50 PM
Sure
by blimey13
Jul 17th, 2007
11:45:01 PM
I wasn't trying to be rude, hope it didn't sound that way...
On the map
by blimey13
Jul 17th, 2007
11:47:11 PM
I remember someone talking about the red marks on the map nest to the AKM board in the trailer. It looks like a 7. I wonder how many numbers are actually shown in the trailer... And the light ring on the guys shirt may be a 0.
Didn't think you were being rude.
by superninja
Jul 17th, 2007
11:48:47 PM
Now were is Zombie Solutions to ruin our attempts at civility?
Oh yeah, here...
by blimey13
Jul 17th, 2007
11:52:00 PM
V-O-L-T-R-O-N BITCHES!!!!!
A Voltron Movie could be nice
by Phategod2
Jul 17th, 2007
11:53:03 PM
But lets examine how It hsould or should not be done. 1st all you generate as much Buzz as you positive and negative. You leak pics of Lions every week. You hire a major talent to play in the movie and a Director.

The Things you dont do is Make a obscure ambiguous trailer and plant a viral market scheme on the internet. INTERNET NERDS DONT MAKE A BOX OFFICE DRAW LOOK AT S.O.A.P.

Actually,
by blimey13
Jul 17th, 2007
11:58:39 PM
First, I would release the original series in volumes in cute collectible tins that look like the lions, and then, oh wait...
VOLTRON
by cromwell1666
Jul 17th, 2007
11:58:53 PM
After Voltron, I hope there is also a GO-BOTS movie and a live action Snorks film to round out the 'crappy 80's cartoons that almost nobody cared about even when they were new' trifecta!
Oooo, Oooo...
by blimey13
Jul 17th, 2007
11:59:55 PM
Bill Murray could voice Voltron!
And!
by blimey13
Jul 18th, 2007
12:00:50 AM
Maybe they would get the original Snorks voice actors! Ya know, for the fans...
What about a live action
by BillyPilgrim
Jul 18th, 2007
12:03:03 AM
Fraggle Rock? Just sayin....
Ummm VOltron had a voice
by Phategod2
Jul 18th, 2007
12:04:12 AM
I always thought it odd that Voltron would make faces while fighting was it just me.
Wow! the movie ALIENS just sorta' died for me...
by future help
Jul 18th, 2007
12:09:45 AM
well, a piece of it anyways. You see, just now, i saw a Direct TV commercial with Sigorney Weaver whoring up the movie ALIENS (the bit with the "mover" fighting the bitch). If you have not seen it yet, you will. SIGHHHHHhhhhhh. I can't believe that it was ever even greenlit (paid for.)
Voltron may have had better serial stories but as
by superninja
Jul 18th, 2007
12:10:47 AM
a movie concept, Transformers, GI Joe and He-Man are better. They have stronger archtypes and conflicts. Thundercats is also a little on the weak side to be a feature film if you ask me.
Also, Princess from Gatechman makes Princess
by superninja
Jul 18th, 2007
12:15:29 AM
from Voltron look beat!
I think it could work If they do it PRE-90's lucas
by Phategod2
Jul 18th, 2007
12:18:01 AM
style. Voltron Could have the potential to be the next star wars With Lotar, Haggar and his Pa. But if they make it all padestrian by putting everyone on earth, and coming up with a "believable" Origin for Voltron then it would suck, (But what the hell do I know I hated Transformers clearly I'm the minority in more ways then one.
Live action Smurfs, written from Gargamel's final
by superninja
Jul 18th, 2007
12:23:07 AM
journal entries about how the Smurfs have tormented him and his beloved cat Azrael all of these years, finally ending in his death. With Steve Carrell as Brainy, Chris Rock as Jokey, Will Ferrell as Hefty, Patrick Stewart as Papa, Val Kilmer as Vanity, Tiny Lister as Dreamy, Adam Sandler as Grouchy, and Paul Giamatti as Gargamel.
Nah, I always wanted Optimus Prime to kick
by superninja
Jul 18th, 2007
12:26:07 AM
Voltron's rear. Voltron got on my nerves and the robot did not really seem like a character to me, just the humans combined and they were all dorks.
Ask and Ye shall receive
by cromwell1666
Jul 18th, 2007
12:26:08 AM
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt04 72181/
No, no, no.
by superninja
Jul 18th, 2007
12:28:03 AM
It's animated and it's got John Lithgow. Can you say Tanky Smurf?
And the part of Smurfette goes to...
by blimey13
Jul 18th, 2007
12:29:08 AM
Jessica Simpson (although Rebecca Romijn DOES do the blue well... Alba just looks strange as a blonde)
Which was first, Gatchaman or Voltron?
by superninja
Jul 18th, 2007
12:33:18 AM
I like Gatchaman better, except for Jinpei/Keyop/Pee Wee, the Jar Jar Binks/Wonder Twins/Wiley Kit and Kat of his day.
OH DEAR,
by blimey13
Jul 18th, 2007
12:33:28 AM
I hope it ends with Harry from the Henderson's squashing them all as he tromps through the forest... Oooo! Maybe a giant Sasquatch destroys New York? Anyone... anyone? Bueller... Bueller?
NEW CLUE DISCOVERED! SLUSHO!
by derf24
Jul 18th, 2007
12:35:10 AM
Please confirm or deny that JJ Abrams is a fan of Dane.Cook, the comedian. Ok so I'm watching a stand up show of this guy Cook and about half way during his routine, he says something that rings a bell. During a joke, he describies how he is going to attempt a B & E (breaking and entering). Yadda Yadda Yadda. He ends the joke by saying him and his buddy need to "Cheese it!" Or "Let's get out of here!" So maybe this can lead to some new discoveries. The fish on slusho is thinking of cheese. Its thinking about getting out. And maybe the horse whos thinking about a oven mitt is the clue for Dane Cook. Who uses a oven mitt? A cook? Dane Cook "cheese" equals get out. I think someone mentioned Mystery Men. Dane Cook was in that movie. Exit Mystery Street? any relations? IDK but maybe its a stupid idea. But its better than all the bickering. Holla Back
"Okay guys. I am so done talking about Voltron."
by rhialto
Jul 18th, 2007
12:36:52 AM
VOLTRON VOLTRON VOLTRON
Also, new Flash Gordon live action required.
by superninja
Jul 18th, 2007
12:38:42 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =r4ctMTidy-4
New Smurf
by cromwell1666
Jul 18th, 2007
12:42:46 AM
Direct to Video Smurf
NO FLASH GORDON WITHOUT THAT S