...it plunges the soul into an abyss of madness beyond Cthulhu's wildest dreams...

...thus some of us feel that although it is a given that the film WON'T FEATURE GODZILLA NOR CTHULHU NOR ANY ESTABLISHED CHARACTER...

it still is likely to be informed by both the Godzilla films and the Cthulhu Mythos in a generic way...

This simple concept seems very difficult for some to grasp... so let me try to give another example...

Gorgo (1961) NOT GODZILLA!!! Different beast, different country, different raison detre, different GENDER! But still clearly INFORMED by Godzilla - Father of all Kaiju genre.

Likewise, consider Alien (1979) different time, different planet, no ocean, no New England decay, no Necronomicon, no mad arabs, nothing normally associated with HPL ... and yet long considered by genre scholars from Stephen King to S.T. Joshi as "Lovecraftian"

...so unless you know otherwise Mori - as in you know for a fact: 1. THAT THIS FILM DOES NOT FEATURE A GIANT MONSTER RAMPAGING THROUGH THE CITY, 2. THAT THIS FILM DOES NOT HAVE AN OVERIDING THEMATIC FEELING OF UNSPEAKABLE COSMIC EVIL AND IMPENDING DOOM, both of which seem to be self-evident in the trailer and websites, then please give those of us exploring these themes a break...

We do not belong in the same category as the guy who STILL insists that this ABSOLUTELY IS the Voltron movie in utter defiance of all logic, reason, or evidence to the contrary...

but perhaps you should notice I use King as one extreme - and Joshi as another...

...also despite personal problems and misfortune, King does know *something* about horror genres ...read Danse Macabre for example.

BITCH MODE: Aw, man. That sucked! I can't believe they screwed that up.

We are currently in HYPE MODE.

You heard it here first.

J.J. Abrams is way too busy with other projects (M:I-III, Star Trek, Cloverfield, What About Brian, Six Degrees, The Office) to have more than a passing interest in Lost at this point.

He directed and wrote the pilot, and yes, he and Damon Lindelof CREATED the show. They set up the concept of the monster, and the mystery of the Island, and who the people on the Island are, and set the series into motion.

But anything that has happened since then can ONLY be credited to (and against) the one-two punch of Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse. They are the ones running the show at this point. If you have a problem with the guys in the bunker at the end of season 2 (which, they will be coming back, just wait), you have to blame Darlton for it. If you thought the third season finale was brilliant, it's because of Darlton.

Again. J.J. Abrams CO-CREATED 'Lost,' but he is not involved in the day-to-day decision making on the show at this point, because he is working on other projects.

As a reward, however, they've decided to go ahead and make the movie, because you've all been so eager and energetic.

...you would ride on boats through beautifully landscaped miniatures of places from Disney's animated features...

... the ride began by your boat going into the huge slavering jaws of Monstro the whale... hmmmmm

At the very least, I'm looking forward to finding out something more about this film; and as it stands right now (based on the teaser) I'm looking forward to seeing it.

It's a great trailer. Hopefully it will be an entertaining movie.

Voltron Suicide Hotline: "hello?"

fan: "um hello, I think the 1-18-08 movie is Voltron.

VSH: "you are aware that Voltron is a separate movie by a separate studio?"

fan: "well, yes, but I think that's all a ploy!"

VSH: "and you're aware that Voltron is a kid's toy? and that any movie made about Voltron would have massive tie-ins with toys/fast food/etc.? something not conducive to a scary movie shot all with hand-held camcorders? not to mention that fact that people who obviously know more than you do at this point, such as Moriarty from AICN, have stated clearly and emphatically that there is NO CONNECTION between this film and Voltron?"

fan: "well, I choose to ignore all of that."

VSH: "um...OK, well do you actually have ANY reason whatsoever to believe this is Voltron?"

fan: "the IMDB page for Voltron hasn't been updated recently."

VSH: (long pause) "what?"

fan: "they haven't updated the page in a while! not to mention, here are some other cold hard FACTS!! on the Slush.jp site, one of the animals is dreaming of cheese. cheese comes from France! and France is one of the places that Voltron is going to stop at, according to the script leaked at mexicanscriptreviews.com!!"

VSH: "wait, cheese? what are you talking ab-

fan: "and, and, there's a horse! which is like a donkey! and donkeys are from mexico, and Voltron stops in mexico in the script!"

VSH: "you're kidding, right? you have to be joking..."

fan: "no, I'm totally serious."

VSH: "OK, I think we have all the information we need. and I am authorized at this time to tell you that you can go ahead and kill yourself. thank you for calling the Voltron Suicide Hotline."

... the videos have an 800 number to call in your questions (this is part of joke... it says previously recorded don't call)

... the number is 1-800-SOL-EATR...

... if anyone actually calls that...

... it's PORN!!!!

... a sex-line...

ha ha ha ha ha ha tentacle rape! ha ha ha ha

you are claiming that 2 separate movies are, somehow, the same movie.

don't you think that a claim as, um...unusual as that means that YOU Should be providing the facts? if I claim that my pet bunny can talk, I can't say, "well, prove it can't! show me some facts!" that is what you're doing, brother. unusual claims, that go against the common accepted norms, requires specific proof.

you are speculating. but the problem is, you treat your suppositions and speculations as fact, and when they are discounted, you ignore it. then when someone gives you ample evidence against your theories, you ignore that as well. then you take a break for a few hours, and pop right back in, going, "where are the facts?"

I still think it's 50/50 whether you're joking or not, but hell, I'm on a break from work, so I'll give this a shot:

here's how it will work. I'm going to write down a few things that I believe are evidence that the Voltron movie and the 1-18-08 movie are not the same movie. I will list them point by point, and I will number them. then you can use the corresponding numbers, and respond to each point, in turn. do you understand? no more vagueries, no more illogical ramblings. point. by. point. ok?

1. both films were developed separately. meaning the cast, producers, writers and directors, are not the same. do you believe that the magazine articles, IMDB.com pages, insider information, as well as information from this site, is all part of a vast conspiracy to hide the fact that they are, in fact, one movie? (answer clearly. start out with a yes or a no, and go from there)

2. this film, (even if you disbelieve the budget) is told from the viewpoint of a few survivors of a large attack. their camera is found, and someone watches the footage. does this sound like the Voltron script that you have read/heard about? (since you have used that same script in previous posts to "prove" your overall point, I would assume that if the script did not match up with what this film is going to be, it would be an inconsitency with your theory, right?)

3. Voltron is going to be a movie with natural toy tie-ins, just like Transformers. that was the point of the original series, and a huge part of the rationale for remaking it. do you honestly believe a studio would look at the success of a film like Transformers, both in scope/box office/toys/tie-ins/advertisin g connections, etc., and take what is an obscenely similar franchise potential, and make it with camcorders, during a dark night, for 1/5 of the budget? (again, clear, concise answers here)

4. your "facts" proving this movie is Voltron included mentions of the slusho.jp site, where you insisted that cheese = France, and horses = Mexico, and that somehow this equals Voltron. for these signals to be meaningful, the rest of the symbols would have to be significant as well. so please tell us how they all relate to the Voltron script.

5. please tell us what would be the percieved advantage to creating a situation where (as you admit) 99% of the people who watched the trailer, and are involved in searching for more clues, do not think this is Voltron. if it actually is, do you consider this campagin a failure? considering everyone over the age of 13 has been convinced by the overwhelming tide of logic and rational thought, that it is NOT Voltron?

again, go point by point, and be clear. you keep complaining about a lack of evidence that it is NOT Voltron. even though the burden of proof SHOULD be on you, I've just given you some evidence, and asked you some questions abotu your theory.

I can honestly say, for many reasons, I look forward to your response...

THANK YOU.

Finis.

but alredy you've fallen into one of the most common logical fallacies. this is expecially common with conspiracy theorists.

just because the small problems you list with the IMDB page for Voltron, combined with a very generous interpretation of the possibilities of the 1-18-08 page, mean that is is REMOTELY POSSIBLE they are the same movie, it does not mean it is PROOF they are the same movie. this is logical fallacy. some people call it the "fallacy of composition", but that's slightly different, in actuality.

In other words, it was not legit.

I'm voting for SHITSPANTSY myself...

All I'm really expecting from this movie is a well-made monster-attacks-city film with a more human POV with the handheld cameras.

you wanted facts and explanations, I gave them to you.

or do you want to ignore them, because your fantasy is a little shaky when it comes to solid data and facts?

if you're joking (and I still think it's 50/50, since I can't imagine you are serious, and yet smart enough to have figured out how to type), then I'm gonna make you pay, brother!

and if you're serious, well, god help you. you're not going to win this debate. your only chance to to fling your arms up and run away, as you just implied you were going to.

MRX: my bunny can talk!

BadMrWonka: "OK, let's hear it."

MRX: "prove to me it can't talk!"

BadMrWonka: "OK, well, no bunny in history has ever spoken. their vocal chords are not developed in a way to create speech. I've never heard this bunny talk, nor has anyone else. how ar those for facts?" MRX: "um...why can't anyone give me evidence that this bunny can't talk? I give up, I'm leaving. and I'm taking my bunny!"

if you really think your position is logical and defensible, they you would have no problem going logically through the points I made.

if, on the other hand, your position is shaky, and indefensible on the basis of logic and reason, then you would keep making the same vague complaints over and over again.

which of these describes what you're doing?

(also, google, the logical fallacy "appeal to probability"...it perfectly describes your mistaken rationale for everything you're claiming to be factually true)

if he wants to ignore reality and reason, he's entitled. but he's NOT entitled to claim that the facts are on his side. they are not.

he's either going to leave with his tail between his legs (as he's sort of tried to do), or he's going to admit that he's basing his belief on faith and hope, not logic and reason.

no one pisses on my church!

you still have not given ONE fact. you call what you're saying facts, but they are not. if I sneeze, and then the house next door blows up. I did NOT cause it, simply because one happened right after the other!!!!! post hoc, ergo propter hoc!!!!

I am still waiting for your bunny to talk.

it's kind of cut, he's done it exactly like that for a few days now. I'm just hoping something new will come alone to shut him up. but given that he seems incapable of graping even the most simple points of logic, I can't see what that would be.

I could care less about Voltron, I just hate people making logical fallacies!

1. "It's Alive, It's Huge" - Largest living animal - A Great Blue whale(see Slusho site for various whale refrences.)

2. "Parasite" name attached to project - Whales eat krill and copepoda, the latter being a parasite.

Lets speculate that the "secret ingredient" in Slusho! is in fact a parasitic copepoda with unknown properties capable of manipulating it's host life form.

Any Takers??

Animals possibly represent evolutionary clades (since Slusho is mutagenic potentially): birds, amphbians, mammals, fish.

...the bunny gives this away...

...it's...

DOMO-KUN!!!

Now which one of us is going to press the button??

but as you can see in the other talkback, 3000 posts later, and we're nowhere. all we have are morons talking about Voltron, ridiculous anagrams, and asinine numerology wackos.

is there anything you can suggest, however vague you might have to be, to get us on the right track towards more websites/information about this project? Abrams seemed to imply gidily that there was more out there, and that he hoped we would find it, but I think we need more than our little nerdlinger team. we need a hint or two.

or do we simply have to wait for more photos, and more Slusho?

I'm not sure what this guy thinks he's trying to prove but it sounds like he's got a little hard-on for AICN.

Cheers.

1. The State of California produces most of the cheese in the US.

2. The Donkey is the symbol of the Democratic party.

3. The color blue is symbolic of California being a blue state.

4. The oven mitt is to handle the burning rage of the beast.

With these facts in had the movie is thus. A geneticly engineered 100 foot tall U.S. Senator named Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) is hunting down the "parasite" George Bush. He is visiting the United Nations when Feinstein is loosed by the DNC. Hilarity ensues. No Voltron. No Cthulhu. No Godzilla. Just a giant pissed off Democrat.

Can I also just throw in... why not Mothra? Everybody just jumped on the Godzilla bandwagon. Hell why not Gamera? That would be the shite.

it makes me chuckle, but then sigh at how shitty it must feel like to be that guy...it's like the kid who grabs the ball and throws it over the fence because he can't play the game...

hence the irony of this troll's blog name...

maybe him and MRX67 are long lost brothers. both of them seem to ignore the obvious fallacy in making an unusual claim, and then asking others to disprove it.

GIVE...US...A...LINK...a nd not to somewhere mentioning the name, people had a name. but to some legitimate info about the project.

do YOU have a talking pet bunny as well?

I might use that to answer anything now. Thanks.

you want to give us a link? as we've asked half a dozen times?

you make a claim, you have to prove it. YOU have the burden of proof.

did you go to high school?

GIVE US A LINK...how many times do we have to ask you?

Well, if Google is so handy, please provide us with the link to the first person to discuss CLOVERFIELD. Should be easy enough, right?

wewerethecoolkids

Y ou WERE? I wonder what happened...

and you had the stones to claim Mori ALTERED the date of the article?

are you going to apologize, since that's blatantly untrue?

or are you going to ignore what I just wrote...again? I bet on the latter...

who's crying?

you shame the name of Gambit, sir...

I assume you are referring to JJ4P (aka Vog/by by/OW4P, etc.)? Nah, I don't think it's him. He's not trying to "PWN" everyone in the room. As a matter of fact, his most recent incarnation, Tegujai Batir, appears to have been given the boot, too. Serves him right.

Ha! Very true. However, in this particular case, I think MRX67 is just too nice!

if someone claimed on their little blog, something about you that was false, and you had a pulpit to denounce it, you would, too.

unfortunately, your pulpit is about as big as the square around your last talkback comment.

so hush up.

"Oven Mitt (and its verb tense, oven mitting) can refer to the act of a female tea-bag maneuver"

Just what is the Slusho Horse thinking of?

you and Jimmy_009 aren't the same person, are you?

for now, I've taken a week off to relax, watch my new west wing DVD's, and grow back my goatee that I accidentally cut off with my new electric shaver, which I only bought because I won $1100 in a poker tournament at the bicycle casino and I swore that I should buy myself a gift to celebrate, and also, I was a little tipsy when I was trying it out.

wait, what was I talking about?

ah yes, the movie. I think it's 50/50 whether I get to direct it, but it's pretty certainly going to be made next year sometime. so exciting!

I think this goes to prove that Transformers sucks...

my film is about a man and a woman, late 20's, who are each at separate parties in houses right next to each other. the woman is at a party wth a coworker much younger, it's sort of a kegger, and she feels out of place amongst the younger people...the guy is at the party next door, also with a coworker, but this one is a cocktail party, and everyone is older than him, and he feels uncomfortable. they both go into the backyards, where they see each other on the other side of a low fence, and they start talking.

in the meantime, the two parties sort of clash in the background, with subplots about characters infiltrating the other party, cops arriving, etc.

you see, it's a metaphor! young life, older life, the time in between where you don't know what the hell to do. after college, before marriage, etc.

at any rate, it's way too hot in my apartment. los angeles needs some RAIN!!

so I think whatever "it" is, was right around that corner, and tossed the head from just out of view. that's my prediction.

someone tossed it, come on guys. or else it's part of something else. it's NOT part of the debris from the explosion we see in the trailer. it's impossible.

Either that or have my 200th beer bronze plate at The Flying Saucer inscribed with your words of wisdom. I bow to the power of your verse.

I read that they were a clue of sorts and thought I'd run them through Acid, geek about with their pitch, speed, etc.

Probably nothing there, but what the hell, I've got nothing else happening tonight.

in other words, instead of showing the minute or two that is actually spent running through the stairwell in a panic, they show 20 seconds or so. but within the reality of the film, much more time has passed. it's too long for the head to be part of the original explosion.

plus, look at the angle it comes from, combined with the guy that just saw "it", PLUS the crowd of people sprinting away BEFORE the head starts flying in. they's a'running away from a'something biiig...

as much as it can be, considering it's about a sea monster, lol...

" 'No one pisses on my church'? I don't know whether to condemn the boy or invite him to speak next Sunday!"

you're talking about exteneded, dramatic effect. I'm talking about general rules of thumb in cinema.

at any rate, it's clear by now, I would hope, that the statue's head is not landing from the original explosion that the people saw...

it's something big and alive. trust that.

anything else is open for debate.

misdirection is one thing, but the general public likes to be tricked DURING the movie, not in the decision making process leading up to it. bruce willis dead in the sixth sense? great. the sixth sense turning out to be a musical? not so much.

Abrams wants people talking about this, and speculating on a lot of things. bt it's clear that he put that line in the trailer because he wants people speculating on WHAT it is, not IF it is.

maybe it's a monster, maybe an alien, maybe a robot, who knows.

but the thing making that huge semi-mechanical roar at the beginning. doesn't that sort of err on the side of "monster"?

conspiracy theories are great, but you can't stray so far away from where you started that you lose the plot.

so to speak.

as has been said before, the guy yelling that line, and its inclusion in the trailer, do not need to suggest that this thing isn't expectedly alive, but rather that whatever is causing the damage is alive, as opposed to something un-alive causing it. if this shit happened top me in real life, I'd think terrorism or earthquakes. I'd be surprised to learn that "it" was alive. not because I would have thought it was a giant toaster (something usually not alive) but rather because I would not be expecting some large marine animal filled with japanese deep water processed chemicals.

also, you have to defer to my opinion, because I used "its", and not "it's", when it was proper to do so.

I'm the man.

man, it sort of happened, didn't it?

I'm now convinced you're just having a laugh. the oven mitt thing totally sold me.

but hey, I wish you luck. I felt bad for you when I thought you were just a conspiracy wacko, but a more stupid one than usual. spewing logical fallacies (I mentioned them one by one, but of course, you ignored them)...but now that I'm convinced you're just trying to poke fun at all of us, I wish you the best of luck. hell, I'll even come to your defense!

(I especially liked the "I'm not a Voltron fan" part...that wasw priceless...

best of luck, brother...I guess we all need a little humor in our lives...

just the right amount of crazy.

I hope AICN makes a new talkback so you can start over with a whole new group of people. the ones on this talkback might be, you know, tainted. if you get to start fresh, it'll be a helluva lot funnier.

(p.s. yell at me again for being insulting, and not giving you any "facts"...it'll get everyone riled up, since we've all given them to you 10 times and you've ignored them...trust me, it'll be great!)

just the right amount of crazy.

I hope AICN makes a new talkback so you can start over with a whole new group of people. the ones on this talkback might be, you know, tainted. if you get to start fresh, it'll be a helluva lot funnier.

(p.s. yell at me again for being insulting, and not giving you any "facts"...it'll get everyone riled up, since we've all given them to you 10 times and you've ignored them...trust me, it'll be great!)

Furthermore, notwithstanding all denials, I’m still not ready to toss out the possible Cthulhu connection. Again, the Lovecraftian themes hinted at in the Slusho! history cannot be ignored, and for a monster movie, Cthulhu is simply and easily iconic; as Red Ned Lynch noted, “saying Lovecraftian in this case is pretty much just a way to differentiate dumb monster from directed monster and random rampage from something with deeper and or broader implications.” While I would always be keen to see a gorgeous-but-dumb giant monster movie, its would be nice if the makers would invest it with something more significant than special effects.

I’ve no particular yearning to see to a specifically Lovecraftian theme, and would personally be gleeful if the the filmmakers steered towards the “Beast of the Sea” from the Book of Revelations, and the entire Biblical catalog of disaster. That said, my guess is that the film might try to have it all ways, with the creature connected to apocalyptic monsters referenced in the similar religious traditions of all cultures - i.e., a Universalist approach to the end-of-the-world by giant monster foot. In any case, I’d welcome any kind of resonant metaphysical overtones which might elevate the film above its apparent mad-scientist experiment-gone-wrong elements.

Finally, I think it should be noted that most of the speculation concerning Lovecraft began in the wake of Harry’s July 6, 2006 column, in which Harry passed on an email promoting the Ethan Haas link and suggested that a Cthulhu element would be “unbelievably cool.” Harry asked, “Is JJ playing with Cthulhu? Is this film about the ancients returning to tear our world asunder? Is it really going to be captured entirely through hand held cameras operated by us mere ants? OR - is that just the marketing push?”

Now we have Moriarty telling us that, when he wrote his first story in late June, “I didn’t realize that Abrams was going to be pursuing a sort of veil of complete secrecy around the film, and I didn’t know he’d be creating a game leading up to the release. I actually feel bad that we sort of spelled it out as completely as we did. The one thing that he should be happy about is that no one really knew what the hell CLOVERFIELD was, so they didn’t read the article when I ran it. It certainly didn’t set the world on fire until people saw the trailer themselves, at which point we got flooded with e-mails asking, “What is that trailer? Why don’t you know anything about it yet?”

Seemingly, “we” is Moriarty and Harry. But what was it that they “spelled out... completely” - the Cthulhu connection, or the fact that the film was going to be a giant monster movie filmed by camcorder? If it is the first, we’re very ahead of the marketing campaign; if it is the second, there are probably few other “clues” to be found, as everything to be seen is self-evident.

Finally, speculation concerning the Ethan Haas/Lovecraft connection was supported by the fact that one of the actresses in Cloverfield starred in “The Class,” which concerned a character named “Ethan Haas” (anyone know another Ethan Haas?) who was a young pediatrician who throws a surprise party for his fiancé in which he invites members of the third-grade class where the couple met. I never saw any episodes of the series, but find it interesting that the Cloverfield trailer features a group of young people (including “The Class”star Lizzy Caplan) who are also at a surprise party. Accordingly, the possibility was very good that the name of the site (“Ethan Haas was right/wrong”) was an inside joke and that the Lovecraft elements hinted at on the site would appear in the movie. Even given the denials, it seems to me that inquiring minds might want to check out exactly what Ethan Haas might have said in the show which could have relevance to Cloverfield.

Finally, the rpg Alpha Omega appears to have elements of both Lovecraft (the old ones, etc.) and Christian theology (angels, etc.).

time to find out if you're joking or not...

anyone willing to hold the money in their paypal account til the movie comes out? I'll trust anyone that's on the talkbacks a lot, although I would prefer it to be Prof Ikamono. he's a sweetheart.

I hope this doesn't make MRX67 leave again.

but alas, I DO have to leave. I'll leave you with a quote from Mori:

"I'll Say This Clearly...
... this is not a VOLTRON film...This is not a remake of someone else's property. It's an original idea that Abrams sold to Paramount last year. Drew Goddard is writing it. The VOLTRON project that Justin Marks is writing is still moving forward. They are not related. I'm not speculating, either. I'm telling you that's exactly how it is, and if you spend the next six months invested in this being VOLTRON and then complain because it's not, you'll have no one to blame but yourself. You're delusional. And there's no reason for it, since you'll get a VOLTRON movie... this just isn't it."

denial is a helluva drug, MRX67. (by the by, I hope th "67" is not in reference to your birth year. if you are 40...oh man...I....sigh...you should know better after that much time on this planet.

Does the average moviegoer think "YEAH, I'm gonna watch this because it has a secret title!"? NO.

Does this marketing shit affect us geeks? Nope, we'll watch it anyway. JJ Abrams + TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION of New York is guaranteed to attract most geeks.

So why this meaningless mystery shit? It's a waste of time and money.

FIND THE CLUES, YOU SCOOBY DOOS! YOU CAN'T FIND JUST SIX! I HAVE A HINT: IT'S VOLTRON!! YEAH!!!11ONEONE!1!

Spectrographs came in handy during the Year Zero campaign, might work here as well.

Now me and my hunch are off to ring some bells

this trailer looks pretty interesting but i have to say that it has never got a big response in the theatre and ive had 3 opportunities to see it on the big screen. the biggest response ive heared so far is one guy saying "oh come on.." after the statue of liberty's head came onscreen. so who knows, it could be a huge hit...could be a huge bomb...got my interest tho.

In Greek Mythology Neptune was the god of the sea, horses and was also known as the "earth-shaker". When angered Neptune would strike the Earth with is trident and cause earthquakes. Neptune's chariot was pulled by hippocampus or horses that could ride on water. I that why we have a full bodied horse underwater?

Cheese was often used as a "non bloody" sacrifice to gods by the Greeks and Romans.

Blue mitts....well fuck the blue mitts...I got nothing.

So there you have it. The crazy drunken chick stole ambrosia from the gods and her son used it to make Slusho. Now the gods are pissed and Neptune is causing earthquakes and is busting things up. Whew...I'm done. Time for my meds.

where the fuck do you think I do my writing? in a tree? I don't imply that you couldn't work in a mini-mart, because you eat too many candy bars...they're right there! one would not preclude the other.

I write on my computer, which just HAPPENS to be connected to the internet. and so during breaks, I write here, or check e-mail, etc. and when I see people like you drowning in your own self-delusion, I try to give you a hand and bring you back to dry land.

you've got Mori telling you they're 2 separate films. you got magazine articles. IMDB pages. separate writers and producers. and you have NO solid facts (cheese = France is not a solid fact) to indicate it's Voltron. jut because the explosion COULD be this or that, or the roar COULD be this or that. that doesn't PROVE anything. that would just indicate a POSSIBILITY. that's simple logic, man. but of course, every time I've tried to explain that to you, you've ignored it. like the kid with his hands over his eyes, going "you can't see me!!!" so I don't have any illusions that you'll listen to it this time either. but I do have to write it for my own sanity. people using horrendously flawed logic jsut makes my skin crawl.

hence, you're either a joker, in which case you're very devoted, but it's a little sad at this point. or you're truly...truly...stupid.

brother, you have to trust me when I tell you that I am much, much smarter than you, and my annoyance is not due to some unique challenge you've presented to all of us to "keep on searching!", I'm frustrated because in the other TB, people were actually trying to figure things out. now we are spending all our time arguing non-sensical points with you, becase you would rather ignore reality, than admit you're wrong.

it's a small man who backs himself into a corner in an argument, and then faced with a mountain of evidence that he's wrong, just starts clawing at the walls in futility.

it's not Voltron. and even if you continue with your retarded rant about "the V word", and how you're "not saying it", you're still trying to go on with it. so please don't make yourself look stupid and say, "I'm not saying Voltron any more" pleae. shut up with that.

it's not Voltron. Voltron is a separate movie. witha bigger budget, and at least SOME of it will happen during the day, so that we can see the big shiny robots. and there will be toys, and marketing rushes. and yes, they will eventually update their IMDB page, WHEN THEY HAVE A RELEASE DATE AND THEIR MARKETING PUSH STARTS.

your ignorance of common logical fallacies is matched only by your ignorance of filmmaking and film marketing.

and no, my little $200,000 film is not about Voltron. it's about two people in their late 20's trying to make the adjustment from a sort of post-college fun life, to real adulthood.

I hope you get there someday. but I can't talk with you any more. it's too frustrating, and it makes me wish that sweeping education reform would come to our schools as soon as possible.

you're like 0 for 5 in your sad attacks on me. why not just give up, change your talkback name, and come back under the guise of a new person. a fresh start!

man, I wasn't gonna write any more, but the fiction/non-fiction line was just too funny.

there is a mooning scene though. but it's a dude. sorry brother. and it'll probably get cut anyway, it's a throwaway scene.

sometimes anagrams are not the answer...

False Shrimp Monters Given Hokum
Fresh Monster Lovemaking is Humps
Gimp's Rehash Monster Movie Flunks
Shaking Sperm Flush Monster Movie

but they are fun...

you can see a few things I've done here: www.sparefilms.com

but it's not much of a website yet. when I get back from my trips, I'm gonna work more on it. showing "Henri" at a couple events here in LA was where I met the producer who eventually went to my agency to try to buy the script I had mentioned to him. I still have more time to polish it, hence the september date. but they have the first look deal, and it's already a lock. it'll just depend if they buy it, and have someone else rewrite it, or let me a part of the production. but I haven't ever worked as a writer on a feature yet, so we'll see.

but it's exciting all the same. so no website yet, no nothing yet. hell, we wouldn't even start filming til next year, so it's gonna be a while. things are all hurry up and wait in this business, I've found out.

also, if anyone's from new york, I want to know a really good restaurant in manhattan, since I'm gonna make the guy I'm meeting buy me a nice dinner. I don't eat meat, but I do eat seafood....mmmmm....

general, it remans to be seen, but this guy doesn't do DTV horror ultra low budget stuff. it's much more festival things, but he's had some real successes so far. so we'll see. I really don't know much, yet. I'm trying not to think too much about it, and jsut focus on rewriting until I have to do my travelling.

and now I have to go to bed.

The Whois info for 1-18-08.com lists the registrant as "In Hoc Signo Vinces." The phrase means "in this sign you will conquer" and is part of the Scottish Rite Freemason's crest.

The contact address listed is for the George Washington Masonic National Memorial in DC. "In Hoc Signo Vinces" is inscribed on the memorial.

Albert Pike (1809-1891) is listed as the site administrator. Pike (1809-1891) "indulged in the occult" and was rumored to be Satanist who possessed a magical bracelet which he used to summon and communicate with Lucifer. Pike was allegedly the Grand Master of a Luciferian group known as the Order of the Palladium (or Sovereign Council of Wisdom), and it was through Palladism that the cult of Satan that was introduced to Masonry. In 1801, Issac Long, had brought a statue of Baphomet (Satan) to Charleston, South Carolina, where he helped to establish the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite. Long apparently chose Charleston because it was geographically located on the 33rd parallel of latitude , and this council is considered to be the Mother Supreme Council of all Masonic Lodges of the World. Notably, Baghdad (in Iraq/Babylon) is also located on the 33rd parallel...

Pike was Long's successor, and, in the mid-19th century, was purportedly introduced to the Illuminati (the "Enlightened Ones"), a secret society dedicated to the abolition of Christianity and the establishment of a one world government. Inspired, Pike authored a ritual guide for Freemasonry which governed the transition of the average high-ranking mason into a top-ranked (33rd degree) Illuminati mason - a secret society within a secret society. Because this inner circle is opened to the very, very few, most Freemasons have no genuine knowledge of the Luciferian purposes of their organization. (In this aspect, Freemasonry is not unlike Scientology (Xenu), Mormonism (Exaltation), etc.) In his 1871 handbook, Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, Pike wrote that "Every Masonic Lodge is a temple of religion; and its teachings are instruction in religion... Masonry, like all the Religions, all the Mysteries, Hermeticism and Alchemy, conceals its secrets from all except the Adepts and Sages, or the Elect, and uses false explanations and misinterpretations of its symbols to mislead those who deserve only to be misled, to conceal the truth, which it calls Light, from them, and to draw them away from it. Truth is not for those who are unworthy or unable to receive it, or would pervert it."

At the center of the religion was Lucifer, the fallen Angel of Light, about whom Pike rhapsodized, "LUCIFER, the Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darknesss! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable blinds feeble, sensual or selfish Souls? Doubt it not!"

Whether by coincidence or via his hotline to satan, Pike allegedly planned or prophesied three world wars that would result in the eradication of Christianity, Zionism, Islam, and Atheism and the rise of a New World Order. The Third World War, Pike purportedly wrote, would be "fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time."

The Luciferian apotheosis occurs with the establishment of a "New World Order" - a facist One World Government, which, after the earth's population has been reduced by two thirds (by war and cataclysm), will exercise complete and total control over every human being.

In his book The Two Babylons, Alexander Hislop wrote that "It is admitted that the secret system of Free Masonry was originally founded on the MYSTERIES OF THE EGYPTIAN ISIS, THE GODDESS-MOTHER, OR WIFE OF OSIRIS." Isis is the Egyptian name for the Babylonian goddess Ishtar, otherwise known as Athena (Greece), Minerva (Egypt and Greece), Astarte (Syria), Cybele (Rome), Ashtoreth (Israel), and Diana (Ephesus). The Statue of Liberty is a representation of Isis, a pagan licentious queen of vice and prostitution. Also known as Ashtoreth, the "Queen of Heaven" and pagan "Mother of God," "Madonna" and "Celestial Virgin." She is the "the daughter of Babylon" in the Book of Revelation who sits"upon a scarlet colored beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. . . And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH" (Rev.17:3-5).

(Notably, Babylon once stood in the country now known as Iraq...)

Originally presented in 1884 as a gift from the French Grand Orient Temple Masons to the Masons of America in celebration of the centenary of the first Masonic Republic, the Statue of liberty holds a Masonic "Torch of Enlightenment." Purportedly, the sculptor, Barholdi, designed the statue as an effigy of Isis, and originally intended it for the the Suez Canal, but the statute was rejected. Accordingly, Lady Liberty was given to the American Freemasons by the French Freemasons as a gift in honor of the Declaration of Independence. (Interestingly, the Cloverfield trailer premiered over the July 4th Independence Day holiday...)

Many Christians and non-Christians alike regard New York City as the modern day "Babylon." Revelations Chapter 18 begins, "And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power . . . And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of demons, and the hold of every foul spirit . . . For all nation have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies."

Seemingly, then, we may be looking at a Biblical end-times film, or at least something involving Satan, or a Larry Cohen "Q"-style version of "the Beast from the Sea." (I also detect possible themes from Cohen's "God Told Me To." Is it really possible that Cloverfield could recycle primary conceits from three different Cohen films - "Q", "God Told Me To," and "The Stuff"?...)

Finally, the most on-point "clue" I've contemplated lately would seem to be Revelations 1:8, which states, “I AM ALPHA AND OMEGA, THE BEGINNING AND THE ENDING,” saith the Lord, who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty." Wait - what was that "debunked" Ethan Haas site supposedly shilling? (Answer: "Alpha Omega rpg

BTW, in another possible 9/11 connection, in "Call of Cthulhu, when the protagonist's dreams reach full-fevered intensity, "hysterical Levantines" mob NYC police.

Again, in keeping with an over-arching, all-encompassing Illuminati conspiracy theory, perhaps Cloverfield simply dumps EVERYTHING (Illuminati, George Bush and 9/11, Isis/Osiris, Lovecraft and Cthulhu, Godzilla, Frankenstein, Revelations and 666, etc.) into a mix in which, at is core, Satan is an extraterrestrial who has been cast down from "Heaven" to the depths of the earth. Although he has interfaced with humanity via dreams since time unknown, he has now been roused from sleep to bring on WWW III and the apocalypse.

The difference between that rambling load of bollox and you, emeraldtool (You make me ashamed to have Irish blood btw), is that the aforementioned rambling load of bollox is written in complete sentences. It doesn't look like the deluded scrawlings of a ritalin deprived ADHD kid.

understand?

What did Rob borrow the $11 for?!?

Fuck viral marketing up its stupid ass.

64 foot orphan girl attacks new york and brings down buildings through force of her caterwauling.

In all seriousness, a couple thoughts: anyone else find it unrealistic that there's a giant fireballish thing on the horizon, and the camera decides to follow a couple flaming projectiles?

Also, the fireballs(?) that hit the nearby building is coming from the wrong angle if its origin is the same as the tracked projectiles/giant flame thing, so that's either a mistake or an indication that there are multiple things going on

I could've sworn I heard the word "Chrysler" (as in the building) when watching it last night, but when I watched it this morning I didn't hear it. Which is weird, because I heard it when I paused at one point; maybe I was just hearing a truncated word.

I'm going to post a pic for what I'm discussing.

I tried to do a pic, but my art talents are non-existent. The projectiles off the main body all look like they're following a natural course, so even a parabolic out-then-in isn't feasible. I rewatched it, and though I wouldn't swear to it, it looks like the projectiles smashing into the nearby buildings are originating from *behind* them, that is, opposite the fireball.

Now, it's feasible that he's turning around so fast that I'm misreading his angle of turn, but honestly, I don't think so. In all seriousness, my spatial recognition skills are superb (I never get a "which of these is the object rotated 180 degrees" question wrong) and I trust them, otherwise I wouldn't have brought it up. The first time I watched it, I knew something was wrong with the angles, and no subsequent rewatching has dissuaded me from that opinion. It looks wrong to me, which says it either IS wrong, or there's something else we're missing.

Frankly, I think it's something 'new' built off of other -- probably religious/apocalyptic -- material.

In all seriousness, if it's a cascading explosion (first explosion sends off projectiles that trigger secondary explosions), the timing doesn't work for the projectiles from the roof -- although it does for the Head.

AS: Because Voltron had Lions, and some people are hearing the word 'Lion' in the trailer. That's why they think it's Voltron.

How's about an updating of Blake's 7

And if you believe that you really need to get a better tin foil hat.

Still lost as to why anyone would want a film of it though.

we are actually created by ultimate super smart person, and he has created everything as a school project, and his race is highly evolved so this shit doesn't even come up. Will the universe be destroyed the day after he gets his grade? (Apologies to Asimov)

WERE ALL DOOMED I TELLS YA. FEAR THE COMING OF THE DUSTBIN

Frankly, Intelligent Design is a crock of shit. It makes God look like this crotchety old Gepetto-like figure, who has to keep monkeying around with His creation in order to get it right. I call it Unintelligent Design.

MY God was smart enough to get it right the first time. Another way to show ID versus My View is as follows: With ID, Evolution is happening with assistance from God. With My View, Evolution is happening BECAUSE of God.

OFF TOPIC ALERT! Returning to your 'normal' TB in 4 .. 3 .. 2 ..

It is a crock, by the way.

YOU'RE ALL BASTARDS> IT'S VOLTRON>IT's NOT IT'S LOVECRAFT> IT's MISS PIGGY.... etc.

Essential thrust of my post is that, unless JJ Abrams is trying to massively misdirect geekdom by sending us on a wild goose scramble through the history of Freemasonry and the Illuminati, the "monster" would definitely seem to have occult origins related to ancient, pre-Christian Middle Eastern religions (e.g., the child-sacrificing cults of Moloch, Baal, etc.), with connections to modern paganism (Aleister Crowley, the Illuminati, etc.). This fits nicely with Lovecraft/Cthulhu scenarios, as well as almost any other epic-sized evil which might be observed in the history (and prehistory) of man. It also allows for a Godzilla-like symbolism in which the destruction in the film parallels a historical precedent - in Godzilla it was our nation's use of atomic bombs in Japan, in Cloverfield, it is the destruction of the WTC by MIDDLE-EASTERN terrorists.

Most significantly, when specifically considered in the context of Albert Pike and his alleged Luciferian enthusiasms, the beheading of the Statue of Liberty (Isis) is not merely "cool," but fraught with thematic significance.

In particular, I would direct your attention to the Egyptian Delta Cycle Myth, which occurs during a period known as the "First Time" - an era where the gods roamed and ruled the world. (Hmmm... see a Cthulhu/Alpha Omega-Ethan Haas was Right connection?)

Among the deities then traversing the earth were Osiris, husband of Isis, and Set - a spirit of evil so cruel and destructive that he literally tore himself from his mother’s womb. Set seizes power by murdering his brother Osiris and then institutes a reign of terror during which he enslaves his sister, the goddess Isis. Isis is the wife (and sister) of the murdered Osiris, and is pregnant with Osiris' child.

Isis escapes to the swamp of the Delta and gives birth to a son, Horus, who is destined to avenge his father’s death. Once grown, Horus emerges from the Delta and the "counsel of the gods" determines that Set's crown must be given to Horus. Set is enraged and challenges Horus to a battle in the sea, with both of them taking the form of a hippopotamus. During the battle, Isis attempts to assist Horus, but does not do so. Enraged by her failure, Horus rises from the water and cuts off his mother's head.

Again, one can easily see similarities between this myth, the Slusho! history, the Cthulhu mythos, and any number of pagan beliefs and belief systems.

Perhaps Cloverfield is a the ultimate conspiracy film in which members of secret societies devoted to bringing about one-world government (e.g., the Illuminati, etc.), unwittingly unleash a demon at the heart of the world - a primordial being bent on the enslavement of all humanity.

BTW, while I'm sticking to my "effects are unfinished" theory regarding the look of the explosions in the trailer, has anyone considered the possibility that the US military is already engaged by the time our hapless party-goers are observing the activity in lower Lower Manhattan?

Also, given the clear visual parallels to 9/11 which we've seen so far, and which are arguably in the service of a giant monster movie, where is "too soon" brigade?

For an interesting and entertaining dip into interconnecting Satanic conspiracy theories, you might want to visit www.chick.com and read: /reading/tracts/0093/0093_01.a sp

bloody hell. You don't do things by half do you?

cool

That said, we do know that there is a Greek influence because of the trailer (before you go nuts, I'm making a pun).

Although I certainly can't PROVE the "Egyptian" influence in the film, website info previously discussed ad nauseum has already pointed us towards Albert Pike and Freemasonry, which necessarily leads to the Illuminati and the pagan representation of ISIS which we know as the Statue of Liberty. Read the history of Lady Liberty - she is not merely "symbolic of Isis," she IS ISIS. (See my previous posts.)

While I agree that the film may be overtly "simple," the EVIDENCE so far is that it will reference lots of different mythologies concerning over-sized destructive entities to the extent that it might be more than a simple "monster movie." My posts are detailed because they has to be - if you don't know the mythologies and histories at issue, you can't see the connections.

Again, the beheading of the Statue of Liberty (who is not figuratively, BUT ACTUALLY a depiction of the Egyptian Goddess ISIS which was originally intended to be installed at the Suez Canal) by the trailer's "monster" would seem to DIRECTLY mirror the decapitation of Isis in the Delta Cycle by HER SON. (See the Slusho! history regarding the apparent origin of "the monster" which takes place in the context of a mother-son relationship.) Similarly, the 9/11 connections to Babylonia are overt and fodder for religious conspiracy/NWO theories which gain traction every day. Moreover, these possibilities are all extremely cool. Why wouldn't you want to see a movie about a rampaging monster that is revealed to actually be a demon - Moloch, Baal, or Lucifer himself? How about a film in which Dick Cheney reveals to George Bush that he (Cheney) is actually an acolyte of Cthulhu and that George Bush's efforts to bring about the New World Order has resulted in the release of a ravening beast harboring a hate of all things human?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik i/The_Long_Dark_Tea-Time_of_th e_Soul

So saith the Prophet!

Long live TFD!!!

Which is why deep mythology of that sort works best in a TV Show like Lost or Alias. There's plenty of time between eps to expound, declaim, debate, and learn. As a show unfolds its mythology, the audience can embrace its mythology.

I guess my point is: The average American isn't familiar with the SoL as Isis aspect. Therefore, such an element is not well-suited for a movie.

Lonely rivers flow to Mexico, with donkeys,
To the open arms of Voltron.
Lonely fanboys sigh, its the french cheese and Mexican donkeys,
I'll be coming home Voltron, wait for me.

Whoa! My love, my Voltron,
I hunger, hunger!, for cheese,
For donkeys. Voltron time.
And time goes by, so slowly,
And time can do so much,
Are you still mine?
I need Voltron.
I need Voltron.
Voltron speed your love to me.

However, I certainly wouldn't expect that many of these symbols and themes would be directly presented in the film ; I just think the filmmakers might understand these connections and appreciate them in a private, inside-joke manner. More importantly, they properly know that, if done right, these are the kinds of elements that lead folks like me to come back to a movie more than once, and even elevate it to "classic" and/or "cult-film" status.

Also, regarding the suitability of episodic TV for the exploration of intricate or complex themes, I note that I don't yet believe that the denials that this is not a "Lost" film, or a film set in the "Lost" universe. As I've said, I've never seen an episode of the show, but understand that JJ's apparently got a lot of explaining to do, and Cloverfield may be a good vehicle for such purpose...

Ideally, the thematic elements become interpreted naturally even if they weren't deliberately placed in the movie. Example: Cipher in the Matrix. On the one hand his name is a perfect hacker name. On the other hand, there's a short distance from Cipher to Lucifer. Nice, right? Here's the fun part: we don't know if it was intentional. It could just be a happy accident.

But now look at Mobil Ave. The name appears in the background during both main conversations in the station: Sati and Neo and Neo and Rama Kandra. The Wachowskis are practically begging us to interpret it, and of course, it's easily done: Mobil=Limbo. It's OBVIOUS what they're trying to get across. Ditto HEL (I mean, did the Merovingian REALLY have to tell us they have 'gone through hell' to drive home the point?).

To quote the Simpsons: The whole thing smacked of effort. Once you start digging that deep with mythos, and you're forced to point out the allusions, they are no longer interesting; in fact, they start to distract from the movie.

What did work in that scene? The fact that they had to climb a staircase to get to the Merovingian after fighting upside-down guys at the entrace. Why? Dante's Inferno: Dante had to climb an upside-down Lucifer to leave Hell and get to Purgatory. But if you didn't know that, it was a bunch of guys fighting upside down for no reason!

So to conclude: generic mythos is universal. Let it come to the movie rather than make the movie come to it.

Don't even bother with him General...

So what does that mean. 1 of 2 things: 1, the movie switches from handheld camera to regular film at some point. Considering how much is shown in the trailer, though, this seems unlikely to me (maybe even jarring to the viewer). 2, then, this is being watched by somebody after the fact. So it's a nested scene. Which indicates there will be more.

One last thought on the camera. Rob seems to over-react to the 'earthquake' when at the window. Maybe he knows what's going on ... and that's why he picked up the camera.

A lot of people are saying the trailer evokes 9/11, but you know what it reminds me of? The Children of Men opening.

C'mon Zombie, just because someone believes in God, that makes them horrifying? You know what is horrifying? Extremists of any sort who think one side is crazy just because they don't believe in their beliefs.

I WISH Abrams had made Transformers. I doubt he would've used that script and story.

...knowing that Moriarty is an intelligent man, I reasoned he would respond to my post exactly as he did...

...clarifying his position... and supporting my own position which you continually attacked over at the other TB regardless of how plainly I tried to explain it to you...

...have you read Drew's post directed to me? ... he says exactly the same thing I said to you over and over again... and yet you kept attacking me for it...

... now you pretend you said the same thing Mori did...

...it was red ned who explained to me that you were a troll... I had never called you such...

however, by your own repeated actions, I must say... if the bridge fits... get under it.

...it was very funny at first... even Harry got a big laugh out of it.

...but we took it too far... I continued with the disruption of AICN, long, long, after it stopped being funny...

I was rightfully banned.

I humbly returned to the TalkBacks and wrote my name backwards in penance... for six months or so I was Onomaki Forp...

I waited until I felt I had earned the right to come back as PROF IKAMONO, using this emphatic form of my original userID to state in effect, that I was NEVER to behave destructively on the threads again...

Oh, I might post some silly shit from time to time, but I am sworn never to cause disruption of the function of this website again...

So I am amazed at this Antsy person, who was banned by Drew, right before our eyes for continuously lying and accusing Harry and Drew of all sorts of shit... would come back in seconds on this same thread and continue the same bullshit!!!

...what kind of an ass is that? Not even a "Gee, I might have taken that to far..." No the bastard still thinks it's his right to come into Harry and Drew's "house" as it were and start pissing on the furniture!

I cannot imagine what motivates people like this...

there must be something wrong with their souls...

... Fred has a very big "clue"...

What up, Prof? Should've known you'd show back up here ;)

You can hear the "roar" much, MUCH louder then the huge explosion.

...I said "chrth could figure all this out if anybody could" or something to that effect...

glad ya finally showed up...

I explored a lot of the stuff e(mund)pevensie has hashed over a long time ago...

I think Pike (a large carniverous fish) is a red herring...

http://tinyurl.com/yvkrbw is the same shot as in the trailer except not in the middle of the street and a few meters closer.

Voltron: "Humanity has gone underground. New York has been decimated and our story opens on the eve of the fifth anniversary of the Drule invasion."

So for Cloverfield, the movie is about New York being destroyed. In Voltron New York was destroyed 5 years prior to the movie taking place. The only way to still maintain a connection between this and Voltron would be to say that all this filming is only for the opening sequence.. which I find hard to believe.

Seriously, convince me.

So challengeth the Prophet!

So saith the Prophet!

Conclusion -- presuming it's not a mistake -- the head has been carried and thrown after being ripped off the statue.

2) It eliminates natural cause for the projectile. The removal of the head and its subsequent throwing were a deliberate act; granted, it might have been a mindless -- as opposed to calculated -- deliberate act, but it was deliberate.

This is the script review from Latino Review: http://tinyurl.com/2dxgwb

MRX67 is saying that all of this Cloverfield stuff is just for the opening sequence of that script... which just doesn't fit.

@MRX67: By the way, the owner of that Coney Island park may have said "alien" but that may have just been his interpretation of being told "monster." No need to take everything from word of mouth as 100% true.

chrth, did you see above where he went on about "if you knew how to write, etc"

I gave up teaching writing after 5 years because of mental giants like this guy.

ask him about being a "detective"...he claimed that at first, now he seems to have backed off...lol

crazy guy...I tried to get him to bet me real money, in paypal excrow, $100, that this wasn't voltron. but he ignored it.

soon enough, some new info will come out. and you KNOW they'll give it a new article, considering each of the other ones have been over 2000 posts. and I GUARANTEE that they will mention something in the body of the article to the effect of, "people are still talking about Voltron. are you joking? here is a direct quote from ______ saying, etc. etc."

and hopefully this will be enough to convince even the most delusional (not naming names) of fans. (MRX67) even if someone has ignored all the rational arguments up til now (MRX67), and agian, I'm not pointing fingers...even if JJ Abrams saying, "This is an original story, NOT based on any previous property." failed to sink into the peabrains (MRX67) of the people still claiming Voltron (MRX67), surely a SECOND quote from the producer of the film saying it has nothing to do with Voltron will convince them. right?

god I hope so. if not, what else is there? how many times do you have to smack your head on something before you pay attention and duck?

I would expect more from a detective. lol...again, not naming names...

I never played the flawed logic speculation game. what you're doing now is called "projecting"...(more specifically it's a "straw man argument") that's were for lack of any logical response to what I wrote, you invent something I didn't say, and attack that.

google "straw man argument", you'll understand.

France = cheese, horse = Mexico!! VOLTRON!!!

again, to be clear, I never said anything about hwo this was a chulthu movie, or lovecraft, or anything. I don't speculate like that, I think it's fun when you actually have some info to go on, but I didn't think we had any. as evidenced by the fac tthat you've gathered a few pebbles and built an imaginary Voltron castle in your head.

and by the by...I'd LOVE to have some proof of you being a detective. you must have a website, right? or a phone number?

if you're a detective, I'm an accordion.

"NY1 reporter Torre, on the other hand, was lucky to get plucked to star in the flick, and shot "a lot" more scenes than the one you see in the trailer." - Why would they need so many scenes of a reporter if the destruction of New York only took place at the beginning?

2. Is it always customary that when there is a highly popular Talkback there is always some Giant Douchebag who says the Dumbest most idiotic things and is hated by most if not all talkbackers? (MRX67 is to Cloverfield as Ganymede2010 is to Transformers.) I know I can't be the first person to ask this. while I've visited this site for years I just started posting in the TB's last year and there always semms to be one in a TB that last longer then 3 days.

Frankly, I still think it's Jeremy Irons merging DH3/D&D.

"Hey Carl, you going to see that Voltron movie this weekend?" "What's Voltron? Some kinda high-tech cell phone thing?" "Nah, man. Remember those lion robots from Robot Chicken? It's that." "There's a Robot Chicken movie?! Sweet!!"

That's all that they will see. Prove I'm wrong.

So saith the Prophet!

It is very clear that you totally disregard any statements made about the movie not being about an existing entity. i;e-The statements about it being an original jj slusho abrams story, that is.

You do not believe these statement hold any water. Correct??

What will it take for you to actually be convinced, short of sitting in a movie theatre and watching the film. Honestly.

Im asking, because i get a strange feeling that even if JJ himself goes to comic con, and denounces all rumors, and spills the beans about what this is,,,, you STILL will not believe HIM. I hope thats not true, but thats the way it seems.

Again, Not trying to be an ass, just throwing this out there.

basically, talking logic to MRX67 is like trying to teach a dog to use a computer. entertaining at first, especially if you're a little drunk. but ultimately, it gets extremely annoying after a while, and in the end you just give up and realize it was a pointless exercise in the first place.

My opinion?

Several monsters or one really fast one. Possibly Cthulhu-like. Not Voltron.

Ever.

specific questions deserve specific answers. you gave, what I thought, was a very good specific question for MRX69. I'd love to hear him answer it. of course, I'm still waiting for some proof that he's (wait for it) a detective...lol

I said it before. if he's a detective, I'm an accordian.

As a request, I only want to know what it was tha changed your mind, nothing more. Do this, and I shall give you the benefit of the doubt and stop shooting your generalizations down.

So speaks Galactus.

scroll up. munky asked you a specific question, and I think it deserves an answer.

it was in reference to JJ Abrams at comic-con.

1.) Manhattan is attacked by an alien.

2.) The alien is huge which destroys NYC in one day.

Well, I can name a few 50's B-movies that you've never heard of that fit that description. "Independance Day" had that premise and I could even argue that "Muppets Take Manhattan" fits that description. I just boggles my mind how you could believe this by only having wo poins of proof. I ask for any further information. I really wan to be convinced of something, because I'm not sure what's going on with this movie anymore.

So saith the Prophet.

1.) Manhattan is attacked by an alien.

2.) The alien is huge which destroys NYC in one day.

Well, I can name a few 50's B-movies that you've never heard of that fit that description. "Independance Day" had that premise and I could even argue that "Muppets Take Manhattan" fits that description. I just boggles my mind how you could believe this by only having wo poins of proof. I ask for any further information. I really wan to be convinced of something, because I'm not sure what's going on with this movie anymore.

So saith the Prophet.