...it plunges the soul into an abyss of madness beyond Cthulhu's wildest dreams...

...thus some of us feel that although it is a given that the film WON'T FEATURE GODZILLA NOR CTHULHU NOR ANY ESTABLISHED CHARACTER...

it still is likely to be informed by both the Godzilla films and the Cthulhu Mythos in a generic way...

This simple concept seems very difficult for some to grasp... so let me try to give another example...

Gorgo (1961) NOT GODZILLA!!! Different beast, different country, different raison detre, different GENDER! But still clearly INFORMED by Godzilla - Father of all Kaiju genre.

Likewise, consider Alien (1979) different time, different planet, no ocean, no New England decay, no Necronomicon, no mad arabs, nothing normally associated with HPL ... and yet long considered by genre scholars from Stephen King to S.T. Joshi as "Lovecraftian"

...so unless you know otherwise Mori - as in you know for a fact: 1. THAT THIS FILM DOES NOT FEATURE A GIANT MONSTER RAMPAGING THROUGH THE CITY, 2. THAT THIS FILM DOES NOT HAVE AN OVERIDING THEMATIC FEELING OF UNSPEAKABLE COSMIC EVIL AND IMPENDING DOOM, both of which seem to be self-evident in the trailer and websites, then please give those of us exploring these themes a break...

We do not belong in the same category as the guy who STILL insists that this ABSOLUTELY IS the Voltron movie in utter defiance of all logic, reason, or evidence to the contrary...

but perhaps you should notice I use King as one extreme - and Joshi as another...

...also despite personal problems and misfortune, King does know *something* about horror genres ...read Danse Macabre for example.

BITCH MODE: Aw, man. That sucked! I can't believe they screwed that up.

We are currently in HYPE MODE.

You heard it here first.

J.J. Abrams is way too busy with other projects (M:I-III, Star Trek, Cloverfield, What About Brian, Six Degrees, The Office) to have more than a passing interest in Lost at this point.

He directed and wrote the pilot, and yes, he and Damon Lindelof CREATED the show. They set up the concept of the monster, and the mystery of the Island, and who the people on the Island are, and set the series into motion.

But anything that has happened since then can ONLY be credited to (and against) the one-two punch of Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse. They are the ones running the show at this point. If you have a problem with the guys in the bunker at the end of season 2 (which, they will be coming back, just wait), you have to blame Darlton for it. If you thought the third season finale was brilliant, it's because of Darlton.

Again. J.J. Abrams CO-CREATED 'Lost,' but he is not involved in the day-to-day decision making on the show at this point, because he is working on other projects.

Why do homework when there's logic?

MRX67, you sir are sailing on a boat with a hull made of swiss cheese. Enjoy the bottom of the ocean.

As a reward, however, they've decided to go ahead and make the movie, because you've all been so eager and energetic.

...you would ride on boats through beautifully landscaped miniatures of places from Disney's animated features...

... the ride began by your boat going into the huge slavering jaws of Monstro the whale... hmmmmm

At the very least, I'm looking forward to finding out something more about this film; and as it stands right now (based on the teaser) I'm looking forward to seeing it.

It's a great trailer. Hopefully it will be an entertaining movie.

Voltron Suicide Hotline: "hello?"

fan: "um hello, I think the 1-18-08 movie is Voltron.

VSH: "you are aware that Voltron is a separate movie by a separate studio?"

fan: "well, yes, but I think that's all a ploy!"

VSH: "and you're aware that Voltron is a kid's toy? and that any movie made about Voltron would have massive tie-ins with toys/fast food/etc.? something not conducive to a scary movie shot all with hand-held camcorders? not to mention that fact that people who obviously know more than you do at this point, such as Moriarty from AICN, have stated clearly and emphatically that there is NO CONNECTION between this film and Voltron?"

fan: "well, I choose to ignore all of that."

VSH: "um...OK, well do you actually have ANY reason whatsoever to believe this is Voltron?"

fan: "the IMDB page for Voltron hasn't been updated recently."

VSH: (long pause) "what?"

fan: "they haven't updated the page in a while! not to mention, here are some other cold hard FACTS!! on the Slush.jp site, one of the animals is dreaming of cheese. cheese comes from France! and France is one of the places that Voltron is going to stop at, according to the script leaked at mexicanscriptreviews.com!!"

VSH: "wait, cheese? what are you talking ab-

fan: "and, and, there's a horse! which is like a donkey! and donkeys are from mexico, and Voltron stops in mexico in the script!"

VSH: "you're kidding, right? you have to be joking..."

fan: "no, I'm totally serious."

VSH: "OK, I think we have all the information we need. and I am authorized at this time to tell you that you can go ahead and kill yourself. thank you for calling the Voltron Suicide Hotline."

... the videos have an 800 number to call in your questions (this is part of joke... it says previously recorded don't call)

... the number is 1-800-SOL-EATR...

... if anyone actually calls that...

... it's PORN!!!!

... a sex-line...

ha ha ha ha ha ha tentacle rape! ha ha ha ha

you are claiming that 2 separate movies are, somehow, the same movie.

don't you think that a claim as, um...unusual as that means that YOU Should be providing the facts? if I claim that my pet bunny can talk, I can't say, "well, prove it can't! show me some facts!" that is what you're doing, brother. unusual claims, that go against the common accepted norms, requires specific proof.

you are speculating. but the problem is, you treat your suppositions and speculations as fact, and when they are discounted, you ignore it. then when someone gives you ample evidence against your theories, you ignore that as well. then you take a break for a few hours, and pop right back in, going, "where are the facts?"

I still think it's 50/50 whether you're joking or not, but hell, I'm on a break from work, so I'll give this a shot:

here's how it will work. I'm going to write down a few things that I believe are evidence that the Voltron movie and the 1-18-08 movie are not the same movie. I will list them point by point, and I will number them. then you can use the corresponding numbers, and respond to each point, in turn. do you understand? no more vagueries, no more illogical ramblings. point. by. point. ok?

1. both films were developed separately. meaning the cast, producers, writers and directors, are not the same. do you believe that the magazine articles, IMDB.com pages, insider information, as well as information from this site, is all part of a vast conspiracy to hide the fact that they are, in fact, one movie? (answer clearly. start out with a yes or a no, and go from there)

2. this film, (even if you disbelieve the budget) is told from the viewpoint of a few survivors of a large attack. their camera is found, and someone watches the footage. does this sound like the Voltron script that you have read/heard about? (since you have used that same script in previous posts to "prove" your overall point, I would assume that if the script did not match up with what this film is going to be, it would be an inconsitency with your theory, right?)

3. Voltron is going to be a movie with natural toy tie-ins, just like Transformers. that was the point of the original series, and a huge part of the rationale for remaking it. do you honestly believe a studio would look at the success of a film like Transformers, both in scope/box office/toys/tie-ins/advertisin g connections, etc., and take what is an obscenely similar franchise potential, and make it with camcorders, during a dark night, for 1/5 of the budget? (again, clear, concise answers here)

4. your "facts" proving this movie is Voltron included mentions of the slusho.jp site, where you insisted that cheese = France, and horses = Mexico, and that somehow this equals Voltron. for these signals to be meaningful, the rest of the symbols would have to be significant as well. so please tell us how they all relate to the Voltron script.

5. please tell us what would be the percieved advantage to creating a situation where (as you admit) 99% of the people who watched the trailer, and are involved in searching for more clues, do not think this is Voltron. if it actually is, do you consider this campagin a failure? considering everyone over the age of 13 has been convinced by the overwhelming tide of logic and rational thought, that it is NOT Voltron?

again, go point by point, and be clear. you keep complaining about a lack of evidence that it is NOT Voltron. even though the burden of proof SHOULD be on you, I've just given you some evidence, and asked you some questions abotu your theory.

I can honestly say, for many reasons, I look forward to your response...

Anybody ever wonder why

A. The Energizer bunny is pink, yet clearly supposed to be masculine (what with the sunglasses and all)

B. Why the fuck it was in a marching band of one?

THANK YOU.

Finis.

Leave that shit to us regular talkbackers. You're better than that, or at least I assumed you were since you get a black box for your responses.

but alredy you've fallen into one of the most common logical fallacies. this is expecially common with conspiracy theorists.

just because the small problems you list with the IMDB page for Voltron, combined with a very generous interpretation of the possibilities of the 1-18-08 page, mean that is is REMOTELY POSSIBLE they are the same movie, it does not mean it is PROOF they are the same movie. this is logical fallacy. some people call it the "fallacy of composition", but that's slightly different, in actuality.

In other words, it was not legit.

Here's to wishing!

I'm voting for SHITSPANTSY myself...

All I'm really expecting from this movie is a well-made monster-attacks-city film with a more human POV with the handheld cameras.

No one knows the terror of GRAVEL VOICE!!!!!!

you wanted facts and explanations, I gave them to you.

or do you want to ignore them, because your fantasy is a little shaky when it comes to solid data and facts?

if you're joking (and I still think it's 50/50, since I can't imagine you are serious, and yet smart enough to have figured out how to type), then I'm gonna make you pay, brother!

and if you're serious, well, god help you. you're not going to win this debate. your only chance to to fling your arms up and run away, as you just implied you were going to.

MRX: my bunny can talk!

BadMrWonka: "OK, let's hear it."

MRX: "prove to me it can't talk!"

BadMrWonka: "OK, well, no bunny in history has ever spoken. their vocal chords are not developed in a way to create speech. I've never heard this bunny talk, nor has anyone else. how ar those for facts?" MRX: "um...why can't anyone give me evidence that this bunny can't talk? I give up, I'm leaving. and I'm taking my bunny!"

Yes, yes it would be cool. So it won't happen.

if you really think your position is logical and defensible, they you would have no problem going logically through the points I made.

if, on the other hand, your position is shaky, and indefensible on the basis of logic and reason, then you would keep making the same vague complaints over and over again.

which of these describes what you're doing?

(also, google, the logical fallacy "appeal to probability"...it perfectly describes your mistaken rationale for everything you're claiming to be factually true)

if he wants to ignore reality and reason, he's entitled. but he's NOT entitled to claim that the facts are on his side. they are not.

he's either going to leave with his tail between his legs (as he's sort of tried to do), or he's going to admit that he's basing his belief on faith and hope, not logic and reason.

no one pisses on my church!