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A clip featuring David Cross as Allen Ginsberg and Cate Blanchett as Bob Dylan from I'M NOT THERE hits!!

first? by zimmie	Jul 14th, 2007 03:31:06 AM
I can't wait to see this movie. Bob Dylan for President, bitches!
cant wait by evil dave letterman	Jul 14th, 2007 03:34:58 AM
I can't wait for this movie. Great cast and interesting premise should make this film great.
First Post ever by TigerSamurai	Jul 14th, 2007 03:47:22 AM
So, I've lurked for along time, but this made me post. I'm a HUGE Dylan fan and this clip has got me on pins and needles for the flick. The cast sounds crazy, but in a good way, and i can't wait to see the myth-building and possible myth-deconstructing it does. I don't expect too much light to be shed on the man, but this should be like crack for Dylan fans. Looks great from this clip and Blanchett can play anything in my book. WOW... Just wow!
another first post by pskenn	Jul 14th, 2007 03:49:09 AM
this movie seems to good to be true... all i can say is AWESOME
more by ciroslive	Jul 14th, 2007 04:17:51 AM
this movie needs more Bob Odenkirk
In 14 months, I've only smiled once by up2me	Jul 14th, 2007 04:19:17 AM
and I didn't do it consciously... I didn't know what to make of this flick when I first heard about it. Now I'm pretty excited. That clip is great, and I can't wait to see the rest of the film. See you later, Allen Ginsberg.
Greatness by AllieJamison	Jul 14th, 2007 04:24:59 AM
What a wonderful scene.
very wierd by blindambition238	Jul 14th, 2007 04:44:39 AM
but very cool, just like the man himself
I see Tobias has his hairplugs back in.... by RockLobster800	Jul 14th, 2007 05:29:08 AM
even though they almost killed him in season 3....Im a fan of surrealist cinema and while this is hardly "surreal" its certainly a strange enough idea to get me majorly interested. Haynes is an overlooked and somewhat under worked diretor-Far From Heaven was a great flick.
Wow by stones_throw	Jul 14th, 2007 05:32:20 AM
I was kind of wary but Cate Blanchett really manages to capture Dylan there. Colour me impressed.
Jeez! by Leopold Scotch	Jul 14th, 2007 06:00:38 AM
That was so cool! I thought it would be a weird postmodern take on Dylan, with actors not even looking like him (I remember in his book, Dylan said that maybe Denzel Washington could play him in a movie) but, even though the big shades and wig helped, that friggin WAS Bob Dylan. I'm looking forward to this.
I hope the whole movie is in black and white... by FilmCritic3000	Jul 14th, 2007 06:01:44 AM
This looks phenomenal! I can't wait to see it.
Allen Ginsberg is a Never Nude by Reynard Muldrake	Jul 14th, 2007 06:27:32 AM
Wow that makes me want to see this. Cate Blanchett is creepy good.
Love David Cross But by Birdys Piano Teacher	Jul 14th, 2007 06:28:21 AM
I hate this clip. It doesn't make me want to see this film, but it does make me not want to see it.
Loved the heavy black by DannyOcean01	Jul 14th, 2007 07:13:39 AM
to the scene. And shit, Blanchett really works.
Death Sentence by TheBloop	Jul 14th, 2007 07:15:04 AM
Sorry for the multiple posting is a row, but I guess none of you geeks get up early. Just watch the "Death Sentence" Trailer. Is Kelly Preston one hot bit'ol ass for a 40+ year old or what. God the things I will do to her if I.....Oh, and the movie looks good too.
UMMMM... AWESOME! by jsviokla	Jul 14th, 2007 07:43:15 AM
Dude... so absolutely stoked. Seeing Bob Dylan actually getting excited about something in a credible way. And Blanchett really captured the "Don't Look Back" kind of blase wanderlust that Dylan portrayed in the documentary. Can't wait.
Agree with the others who say this does not entice. by Bronx Cheer	Jul 14th, 2007 07:51:10 AM
This doesn't fire me up to see the film. At all.
....ok. by Mike_D	Jul 14th, 2007 07:53:04 AM
that was about as weird as Glenn Close playing a male pirate in "Hook".
Thats weird by WolfmanNards	Jul 14th, 2007 08:07:09 AM
Just yesterday, I was looking at the back of "the life and times of Alan Ginsberg" and one of the pictures made me say to myself "That looks exactly like david cross. He should take advantage of that" Well, looks like they're a few steps ahead of me on that one.
Did two research papers on Ginsberg back in college. by CreasyBear	Jul 14th, 2007 08:29:32 AM
Never a hippie-type myself, but the guy's pretty interesting. Read Howl or Kaddish. Some crazy shit. (That last sentence was my entire thesis. A one-sentence masterpiece. Got an A for being so disestablishment.)
Ginsberg is America's best 20th century poet... by rbatty024	Jul 14th, 2007 08:40:55 AM
in my opinion. Or at least he's my favorite. I agree that Kaddish certainly is some crazy shit. The guy had some mother issues. Of course, if my mom was a paranoid schizo I probably would as well.
Holy Shit by QuinnTheEskimo	Jul 14th, 2007 08:48:17 AM
Blanchett has Dylan's mannerisms down! I've been curious about this, but now I'm actually excited. Also, I'm seeing Bob Dylan in Indianapolis tomorrow. (See you later croco-gator)
wow by stvnhthr	Jul 14th, 2007 09:22:59 AM
On paper is sounds crazy, but somehow it works. This is going to be cool.
ZombieSolutions Is The Biggest Douchebag of All Time by QuinnTheEskimo	Jul 14th, 2007 09:32:56 AM
Who's with me? Ok, maybe that was a bit harsh. But man, I deal all the time with friends who don't seem to get why I love Dylan, while I'm completely befuddled as to how anyone couldn't.
I'm with you Quinn by skydog	Jul 14th, 2007 09:45:03 AM
Better things in this world to hate. Worse things to love.
Hate is a form of respect by Sepulchrave	Jul 14th, 2007 10:16:49 AM
if you spend your time railing against an artist for some perceived betrayal (of music, of politics, of message) you're just expending energy on him. You hate Dylan, great; you probably burn more calories screaming about what a talentless sell-out he is than a fan does listening to his music. Dylan is and was important; why? because impopartance is what people make of you, not what you decide to make of yourself, and people, the public, decided and still decide that he is an imprtant musician. You don't have the clout to reverse the verdict of forty years, certainly not with the feeble weapons of personal critique and argument; what, did you think that being important had to do with producing pretty tunes and technically perfect singing? Go listen to Whitney Huston. That important political artists can't betray you? Go check out the fascist Kerouac or the cowardly suicide Hunter S Thompson. Things fall apart, heroes jump ship and art has nothing to do with being technically perfect.
Ugh by keanho_in_nyc	Jul 14th, 2007 10:20:12 AM
Looks like boring hippie bullshit to me, complete with absolutely unnatural dialogue. "Hey, look, it's the Poet, Allen Ginsberg!" Almost as awkward as the way they'd introduce a guest star on a 1970's sitcom.
Whatever, Z.S. by Lazarus Long	Jul 14th, 2007 10:30:39 AM
Sorry Zombie, but I don't think history is on your side. And for the record, if you knew anything about Dylan you'd know that he has always been pretty far from the hippie aesthetic, and never wanted to be identified as such. In that clip right there you can see he looks more like Lou Reed than Jerry Garcia. And despite his early protest songs, never wanted to be identified with any movement either. As for folky, Dylan was the guy who was booed for plugging in his electric guitar at the Newport Folk Festival, enraging the purists. He's more punk rock than folk. If you knew anything about blues and folk music, you'd also know that these artists have always borrowed from their predecessors and each other, and many times things that appear "stolen" are traditional songs that have been rearranged by the current artist. Your moaning about selling out and hypocrisy is rather moot; Dylan has long considered himself a mercenary form of troubadour, who is willing to play to whomever is willing to play. And your dumbest point of all, I didn't know wanting to be a role model was a requirement to write an autobiography. If you read it (there's only ONE volume out at this point), you'd know that it's pretty stream-of-consciousness and is about as far away from instructional or preachy as you could possibly get. By the way, I hate hippies too. But you're an ill-informed, contrarian buffoon.
I don't understand by Leopold Scotch	Jul 14th, 2007 10:33:12 AM
My friend often pushes the argument that Dylan is a hypocrite for doing an ipod advert. Fair enough, you can brand him a sellout, but that's not the argument: it's more in line with digital production. I have an ipod, and most of the music on it isn't digitally produced. What does digitally produced music have to do with digital storage? This thread isn't the first time I've heard this argument, and I was just hoping for some clarification.
Cross as Ginsberg by blacklodgebob	Jul 14th, 2007 10:51:28 AM
I've always thought David Cross looks just like Ginsberg, I think that's brilliant casting.
Bob Dylan ,David Lynch,Crispin Glover by liljuniorbrown	Jul 14th, 2007 10:59:36 AM
Thats the top three "artists" whose names I cringe at. I'm not knocking talent, i'm just sick of hearing people bitch that if your not a fan of the above named people then your just uneducated and you don't "get" them. Everyone has there own idea of art and who is the greatest artist in that particular field. I can handle hearing some of Dylan's stuff but the whole mythology and rambling and shit, I just don't get it. Seems to me like he takes his self to serious. I could be wrong, what do I know anyways? I think Ryan Adams is the greatest American song writter in the world today.
What a load of PRETENTIOUS SHITE by Flim_	Jul 14th, 2007 11:02:30 AM
I'll never understand what drives these assholes to make twelve and a half hour long movies about an OK-at-best beat poet who can't sing worth a damn.
Pretentious shite by Sepulchrave	Jul 14th, 2007 11:09:13 AM
Yeah I know, there's no room for weird shit you don't like; we'd like to thank you and your mates for making a soulless identikit blockbuster about toy robots that were rubbish in 1986 into the biggest movie of the year.
Ginsberg was weird. He collanorated with Philip Glass by Proman1984	Jul 14th, 2007 11:20:08 AM
on a musical album called Hydrogen Jukebox. Liked the music, not too sure about poetry.
Lazarus Long is right!! The Scumbag hippies hijacked- by picardsucks	Jul 14th, 2007 11:27:17 AM
Dylan. He never really wanted to be their posterchild and much like Eric Cartman: Hippies pissed him off. Dylan is an amazing songwriter. Don't like all of his work but the stuff that I do are among my favs. Wasn't he also with the Traveling Wilburies???? Fucking awesome band. I've seen him interviewed on 60 min. Actually a pretty interesting guy and by no means a gray ponytailed, self indulgant, crystal worshipping, Prius driving, Commie Liberial Hippie douche.
Nice job Lazarus. by Mostholy	Jul 14th, 2007 11:44:24 AM
You saved me the time of having to respond to Zombie's ignorance.
Thank God by QuinnTheEskimo	Jul 14th, 2007 11:51:12 AM
You guys are smart. I like you guys. Thank you.
why on earth by yassoo	Jul 14th, 2007 11:59:40 AM
would any director cast a female to play bob dylan? sure, cate's an excellent actress, but i just can't buy that.
yassoo by QuinnTheEskimo	Jul 14th, 2007 12:00:51 PM
He also apparently cast Christian Bale, Heath Ledger, Richard Gere, and some other people I'm sure, to play Bob Dylan. Blanchett's actually the easiest to believe.
Dylan seems overrated to those... by RockLobster800	Jul 14th, 2007 12:08:12 PM
o some. Im not a fan of the guys music but can understand why he touched on such a cord at that time-and essentially his "tone deaf" style was the predecessor for punk. However, a better lyricist whom I have to defend almost daily is Morrisey....where ever you go you find people who HATE the guy even thouh he is the greatest lyricist that ever lived. period. The quality has dropped in the past few years (last three albums where okay at best) but between 1983 and 1995 the guy was un-touchable.
wait a minute-my headline didnt match... by RockLobster800	Jul 14th, 2007 12:10:32 PM
the first sentence. as Daniel Day Lewis would say "WHOOOPSEE DAISY!!"
There is no songwriter better than Dylan by QuinnTheEskimo	Jul 14th, 2007 12:13:48 PM
There are people who approach him. Tom Waits. Neil Young. John Lennon. None of these are his equal, however close they may be.
It probably depends where your from... by RockLobster800	Jul 14th, 2007 12:22:07 PM
I grew up in the terraced houses under the grey sleet of sky that is northern Ireland-therefore I get the Smiths more than Dylan. Had I been American and grew up with Dylan maybe I would appreciate him alot more. But then again Im sure people will shoot back stating Dylan writes universally and you dont have to be from America and experienced the down and out lifestyle he has to get it but thats the way I look at it. Its not that I dont get the guy its just that his music doesnt speak to me as much-Id prefer Ginsberg anyday or even Robbie Robertson. Although Dylan had unsurpassed hair.
I was skeptical, but now I can't wait. by gorydon	Jul 14th, 2007 12:25:18 PM
This looks awesome...And you are dead on Lazarus Long. Thanks for taking some of these uninformed to task. Also, RockLobster800, Mar is pretty damn clever, especially in his Smith days, but I think he lacks the poetic and mysterious style of Dylan. Basically I think Dylan's music means something different to whoever is listening to it. Morrisey doesn't seem to, IMHO, have that quality most of the time.
RockLobster800, gorydon by QuinnTheEskimo	Jul 14th, 2007 12:35:15 PM
RL800 - I gotta give you Robbie, but man, where would The Band be without Bob? Gorydon - You nailed it. It's that mysterious cryptic-ness, that bizarre imperceptibility, that quality of being open to interpretation, that's what makes Dylan so interesting as an artist.
that was great by LegoKenobi	Jul 14th, 2007 12:36:42 PM
i was skeptical at first, too, but blanchett really captured dylan from that period (his best period, in my opinion). and david cross as ginsberg is just genius. he better get nude at some point, that's all i gotta say about that.
For what it's worth... by QuinnTheEskimo	Jul 14th, 2007 12:37:32 PM
I didn't grow up with Dylan's music. I'm not nearly old enough to have grown up with it, much as I may wish I was. I've only discovered him in the past couple of years, but since then I've just been devouring every bit I can find. I've got 2.5 days of Dylan music on my laptop.
For all you Dylan haters by up2me	Jul 14th, 2007 12:43:19 PM
Never fear. I hear that if the Dylan flick is successful, they'll follow it up with a Brian Adams biopic. David Caruso, Louis Gossett Jr., Sir Ben Kingsley and Sophia Loren are all set to play everyone's favorite acne-scarred, Canadian bacon eating 1980's singer/songwriter in various points in his fabled career. Talk about "Heaven"...So don't you worry none. Now there's something for YOU to look forward to.
To all those who say Dylan can't sing by IndustryKiller!	Jul 14th, 2007 12:48:14 PM
American Idol will be back soon. Now go watch Nascar and eat some fast food.
BTW I think the cache of different actors...... by IndustryKiller!	Jul 14th, 2007 01:05:13 PM
is a great idea. Dylan is, like Andy Warhol, such an icon, yet such an individual, and sort of figure of mystery to this day that any straight bio pic would turn into a display of ticks and character traits that would never truly break the surface of the man. Sounds perfect to let the traits of different actors show those stages come out naturally through the individualism of the performances.
DO YOU, MR JONES?????? by iwontwin	Jul 14th, 2007 01:29:30 PM
I have a feeling this movie is not going to be good. Like STREET LEGAL bad!
Street Legal ISN'T bad. by Mostholy	Jul 14th, 2007 01:45:30 PM
Listen to "Senor" again. Maybe you meant Knocked Out Loaded. (I never could understand the love for "Brownsville Girl."
Isnt senor a Greatful Dead song by iwontwin	Jul 14th, 2007 01:46:48 PM
Down in the Groove was pretty bad too?
David Cross is perfect casting by iwontwin	Jul 14th, 2007 01:49:13 PM
hahah I have a signed copy of Reality Sandwiches by Allen Ginsburg.
Hey! I liked Street Legal! by Leopold Scotch	Jul 14th, 2007 01:53:24 PM
I'm no Dylan fanboy: there are definitely more albums I WOULDN'T listen to than albums I would, but Street Legal, for me, is a very good album, with only a couple of dud songs.
David Cross as Ginsberg is Hilarious by Flynn Diesel	Jul 14th, 2007 01:59:06 PM
If you think about how Allen Ginsberg was a supporter of NAMBLA and that David Cross played a character who was frequently referred to as "Dr. Tobias Funke, Analrapist" on Arrested Development, it's priceless.
RockLobster by Mel Garga	Jul 14th, 2007 02:14:54 PM
I'm not trying to make you jealous or anything but I'll be seeing good ole' Morrisey tonight under the humid skies of South Florida. Please please please let me get what I want.
Nope, it's a Dylan song. by Mostholy	Jul 14th, 2007 02:14:56 PM
http://www.bobdylan.com/songs/ senor.html -- But the Dead (and Jerry Garcia solo) covered it.
Street Legal by QuinnTheEskimo	Jul 14th, 2007 02:23:07 PM
is a bit of a mixed bag. There's some good songs in there, but man the production is bad. The SACD sounds a lot better than the muddy vinyl, but it's still not that good. Some people love it though, I have a friend who says it's her second favorite. Me, I like it ok, but I'd rather here Planet Waves, Blood on the Tracks, Desire, or most of the other 70's albums.
Great casting by kingharvest	Jul 14th, 2007 02:46:59 PM
Cross looks so much like Allen Ginsberg in that clip that it's frightening. Too bad his voice is so different. Jeff Goldblum reminds me alot of Ginsberg too. Pre-beard Ginsberg.
Ginsburg was in NAMBLA by blakes7	Jul 14th, 2007 04:35:12 PM
I have always found it interesting how left wingers totally ignore that Ginsberg was in NAMBLA and was a BIG proponent of legislation to legalize child molestation. Ginsberg was also a hardcore member of the Communist party. The guy was a scumbag, but is revered by college students.
If you're not famous you're worthless: by mr. brownstone	Jul 14th, 2007 06:52:12 PM
The Movie
This sounded dumb, looks dumb too by SoylentMean	Jul 14th, 2007 07:28:30 PM
Really might have to rent this when I'm seeking a pseudo-biopic on somebody who hasn't died yet.
Bob Dylan: Good Lyricist, Terrible Singer by SoylentMean	Jul 14th, 2007 07:29:35 PM
I gotta admit the guy can fuckin' write, but his singing is awful. But it's "real" man, so it must be good.
Dylan = Way Overrated by jimmy_009	Jul 14th, 2007 07:49:27 PM
The guy is almost unlistenable.
Bring on The Golden Age!! Blanchett as Elizabeth!!! by SoylentMean	Jul 14th, 2007 08:22:54 PM
That's really the only project Cate Blanchett's involved in that I have any interest in seeing.
BOB DYLAN IS UNDERRATED.... by iwontwin	Jul 14th, 2007 08:27:10 PM
because it so hip to say he is overrated. Or something like that.
mel garga... by RockLobster800	Jul 14th, 2007 08:28:44 PM
actually Im thankful you're seeing him after the recent "cancellation"maguffin-hopeful ly it should be a great show!. Im actually kind of envious cos when I saw him in december in Manchester there was a lack of Queen Is Dead or Boy With The Thorn...on the setlist as well as Last Of...but what can ya do? Well, complain,but Im not going to....Life Is A Pigsty is the most fantasmic live amongst the new set me thinks...
Ginsberg in NAMBLA... by RockLobster800	Jul 14th, 2007 08:35:18 PM
yeah-its pretty hard to talk your way out of that kind of thing...althouh dissin him for bein a communit is kind of an out of date criticism-need we go into all those worthy people eblacklisted during th '50's (ala Abraham Polonsky etc). But NAMBLA is never oin to go away no matter how hard you scrub....
Red Commie Scum by blakes7	Jul 14th, 2007 09:01:23 PM
Communism has been responsible for the deaths of at least 80 million people around the world. It is a fact that can't be whitewashed. Ginsberg was a hardcore commie, and even lived in China for a while. The guy was a pedophiliac and a scumbag. I don't care if he wrote the best poems in the history of mankind, he was a pedophile. Really, come on, if a non-famous pedophile/communist wrote the same poetry nobody would have given the poetry a second look, but Ginsberg always gets a pass because of his affability.
damn keyboard by RockLobster800	Jul 14th, 2007 09:01:57 PM
my "G" s wonky...
But, he's not a lady. by wintocha67	Jul 14th, 2007 09:51:54 PM
I just can't suspend my disbelief. No way. Incongruous.
Ginsberg and NAMBLA by kingharvest	Jul 14th, 2007 09:58:13 PM
Ginsberg was a flaming homosexual, but from everything I've read about the man, I really don't think he was a pedophile. my understanding is that he only supported NAMBLA's right to exist, and joined in a show of support. Freedom of speech kinda thing. Not sure it played out so well. Either way, it was a very misguided and stupid thing for him to do.
Your revolution is over, Mr. Lebowski. by REDD	Jul 14th, 2007 10:07:51 PM
Condolences. The bums lost. My advice is to do what your parents did; get a job, sir. The bums will always lose. Do you hear me, Lebowski?!
kingharvest has it right by LegoKenobi	Jul 14th, 2007 11:23:39 PM
ginsberg loved younger men, but he wasn't into children. as far as NAMBLA goes, he felt they had a right to exist. not sure about the communist thing, though -- weren't ALL anti-establishment people back then into communism? i mean, that's where the whole idea of "communes" comes from, anyway....
Ha! by gorydon	Jul 15th, 2007 12:06:26 AM
The Lebowski quote had me cracking Redd...I'm pretty sure ZombieSolutions is just being a dick for the sake of it. You might not like Dylan but unless you're a 16 year old girl who's music appreciation is whatever MTV tells you to like, you've got to have some sort of admiration or at the very least respect for Dylan's body of music.
Wow. How can you NOT be interested in this project? by eppdude	Jul 15th, 2007 12:47:09 AM
Seriously cool stuff. I have a feeling it's gonna be a love it or hate it thing. Just like Dylan himself.
Ian Mackaye is better by messi	Jul 15th, 2007 01:33:42 AM
and far more interesting, plus he could kick Dylan's ass.
Blanchett by jfp2007	Jul 15th, 2007 01:35:22 AM
Pretty strange that she looks just like him there. She's just manly enough to pull it off.
ZombieSolutions Is Truly A Douchebag by CondomWrapper	Jul 15th, 2007 02:17:30 AM
And not only is he a douchebag he has no understanding of the importance and influence of Dylan's work. Here's a hint you twat: the Beatles would've never got good if it wasn't for Dylan. You fuckers bashing Dylan don't know shit about music and have probably never played an instrument in your pathetic lives. And did I just read some cocksucker comparing Ian McKaye of fucking Fugazi to Bob Dylan???? Are you out of your fucking mind? Talk about comparing apples and oranges. Fucking philistines. Eat shit haters because unfortunately it's fucks like you who invest this site like cancer. Go wack off to your emo shit.
Love both Dylan & Blanchett, by dont be a square	Jul 15th, 2007 03:04:02 AM
but I have to say this clip really disappointed me. I wanted to enjoy it and genuinely be enticed, but something about Cate's performance put me off. Fuck. Anyway, I'll still check the film out because I'm interested in seeing the other actors' portrayals and no one will ever convince me that Dylan is overrated. Just fuck away, seriously.
Sepulchrave by stickmangrit	Jul 15th, 2007 03:11:12 AM
go fuck yourself. seriously. defend Dylan and bash Keroack all you want, but if you're so utterlly fucking ignorant to call Dr Thompson a coward for making the decision that he'd had enough, your pathetic ass needs to be forcibly removed from the gene pool. FUCK OFF AND DIE IN A FIRE. that is all.
The thing about Dylan is... by Gristle	Jul 15th, 2007 03:29:09 AM
He was the most monumental musical artist of the last century. He was a big reason for the folk revival explosion and one of the only artists whose work from that era is still in play. (And Woody Guthrie would be one more artifact of a bygone era if not for Dylan's championing of him.) And you know how The Beatles were playing rock 'n' roll in 1964 (stuff like "I Wanna Hold Your Hand") and then by 1967 that kind of music was outdated? The bridge was Dylan plugging in in 1965. He created rock. And everything that came after: the later Beatles records, Hendrix & the Woodstock crowd, punk rock, and hip hop ("Subterranean Homesick Blues" was the first rap song). That all flowed from Dylan. It's impossible to understand how big he was in the '60s. All the artists we revere held him up as a god, the best artist of the time and wholly unapproachable artistically. The whole reason for the Woodstock festival was to entice him out of retirement: Dylan was holed up in Woodstock since 1966, and promoters decided to bring the people to him. So he went to England. And he's put out two of the best records of the new millennium. The thing about Dylan is he's so original and unique that when you don't like him, you can't see how a person could like him, and when you get him, you just feel sorry for everyone who doesn't.
NEWPICS OF THE JOKER ARE OUT! by CQuest	Jul 15th, 2007 04:44:01 AM
head over to superherohype to see them, u know they wont show up here for like 3 days
CondomWrapper suck a dick by messi	Jul 15th, 2007 09:16:39 AM
yes it was me comparing Ian Mackaye of Fugazi, Minor Threat, The Evens and Embrace to Bob Dylan. I don't give a fuck how influential he is to pop culture at large, pop culture sucks a big donkey cunt and Mackaye's music sounds better than Dylan's, thus Mackaye for Starscream.
I get Dylan's influence, I just don't dig on his voice by SoylentMean	Jul 15th, 2007 11:10:41 AM
From a writer's perspective the guy's a god no matter how you put it, it's his voice that I don't really understand people actually liking.
Voice by Leopold Scotch	Jul 15th, 2007 12:49:07 PM
Dylan's voice obviously isn't his strong point (like Tom Jones or someone), but at least it contributes to his identity, plus I don't care what people say: the guy has a good range. Just listen to Blood on the tracks for many examples of big octave leaps and a voice which contributes to the power of the album. Today's Dylan gigs are very poor because of how he uses his voice, but in his prime, his voice certainly contributes to his songs.
No accounting for taste. by Mostholy	Jul 15th, 2007 12:56:47 PM
Fugazi sounds better than Dylan? Rofl. I guess Fugazi must reverberate better when you have your head up your own ass.
Regarding the voice. by Mostholy	Jul 15th, 2007 12:59:17 PM
Give Nashville Skyline a spin. Like Leopold said, Dylan has more vocal range than he's usually given credit for.
I think if I had access to massive amounts of drugs by SoylentMean	Jul 15th, 2007 02:07:18 PM
and I could afford all of Dylan's albums on vinyl, that would be the way for me to truly experience his work. Anybody know if there's a collection of Dylan's lyrics anywhere? I bet there is.
Lyrics by Mostholy	Jul 15th, 2007 06:38:33 PM
are all here, and searchable: http://www.bobdylan.com/modern times/lyrics/main.html
this is not a fugazi promotion by ashhole	Jul 15th, 2007 06:44:06 PM
i respect bob dylan, but his music is from an era that is not my own. it's not as important to me as the work of more recent artists. many of his songs are still relevant (i.e.: "masters of war"), but they are dated. to completely dismiss the comparison of ian mackaye to bob is ridiculous. it's rendered even more ridiculous when you make it plain that your only knowledge of ian is from fugazi, and that possibly your only knowledge of fugazi is the sound of amp feedback. i have disagreed with ian's stance on a number of issues, but he has gotten thousands upon thousands of people to become active listeners to governments and the media. he promotes the best kind of critical thinking, although he is sometimes not the best at it. this promotion of awareness is what dylan did that the hippies co-opted. it's what ian did that straightedge hardcore kids co-opted. where bob and ian part ways is that bob ONLY promoted awareness, whereas ian set out to actively make a difference in people's lives and organize those people to make farther-reaching change. like him or not, ian mackaye has always fought to make real change for real people. ian mackaye's idealism is concrete, and in my eyes, that is the greatest compliment that can be paid to anyone.
Ian Mackaye by Gristle	Jul 16th, 2007 04:46:55 AM
Yeah, but name ten Ian Mackaye songs that can hold up against any of Dylan's hundred best. It's not about activism, it's about songwriting and performance. Dylan is still our greatest living songwriter and he remains the best performer of those songs.
messi 'Messed up' - NOT by wabadude	Jul 16th, 2007 03:29:10 PM
I must admit, to here Ian Mackaye compared to Bob Dylan sounded like messi was 'messed up'. Comparing a Legend to some Husker Du wanna be's - give me a fuckin' break. But I honestly never really listened to Fugazi outside of a couple stray mp3's. As I read about Ian Mackaye on Wikipedia I was very intrigued - his positive message, 'Straight Edge', so I'm going to check him out. I doubt it will change my perspective on Dylan but it may make me into a Fugazi/Evens/'Straight Edge' fan. This is the power of the web - discovering others' passions. Thanks for the insight messi!

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A clip featuring David Cross as Allen Ginsberg and Cate Blanchett as Bob Dylan from I'M NOT THERE hits!!

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