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Tim Minear Reveals
DRIVE’s Destinations!!

First by BillyPilgrim	Jul 10th, 2007 05:46:10 PM
but never relevant.
hmm...interesting. We can start to have closure now by GobBluth06	Jul 10th, 2007 05:48:30 PM
Interesting. At least we can start to have closure. Too bad Fox sucks when it comes to airing new shows. I still hate them for canceling this show.
Fuck you very much, Fox by Toby___Wong	Jul 10th, 2007 05:49:54 PM
Amy Acker working with the race organizers was a nice twist. Eliza Dushku as a psycho trucker ? I am so there. Fuck you, Fox.
What the hell keeps happening to Minear? by RockLobster800	Jul 10th, 2007 05:54:28 PM
I havent see Drive(Im in England) but the fact that it contains Nathan Fillion had me intrigued and was always a fan of Wonderfalls-also canceled after four episodes over there as I recall (we got through the wqhole series thanks). Cmon America-watch the guys shows nd cut him some slack! Everyone always loves then once they get released on DVD.....
wow by Holodigm	Jul 10th, 2007 06:06:49 PM
i'm starting to think fox might have done the right thing. i loved the first four episodes and all, but a majority of those plot twists are just fucking stupid - way too ridiculous, even for this show.
this show wasn't bad, damn the network by cyrent	Jul 10th, 2007 06:10:18 PM
grr.
Did they mention the POINT of the damn thing by jimmy_009	Jul 10th, 2007 06:13:38 PM
I mean, it didn't exactly seem to HAVE one.
This show OWNED. by SkidMarkedUndies	Jul 10th, 2007 06:14:33 PM
FOX, not so much. First Drive then 24's OUT OF AFRICA routine. What's next? House gets a kid, becomes a stay at home Dad, moves in with his father and hijinks ensue?
Im assuming Tims given up on the whole thing by RockLobster800	Jul 10th, 2007 06:20:16 PM
by givin away future twists? not taking a page from Joss s book and pulling a Serenity in the near future? after that was released there was a big wave of "maybe we'll make a movie of it" from cancelled shows and none have popped up...tis a pity cos I would love an Arrested Development and/or Wonderfalls flick....
"Faith" as a serial-killer truck driver?!?! by CatVutt	Jul 10th, 2007 06:34:36 PM
FUCK! Now I AM pissed that this got cancelled!
Dammit... by buffywrestling	Jul 10th, 2007 06:41:45 PM
30-car pile up. I mean, I knew there was going to be one eventually but....just to hear it. 30 cars. Damn you fox. Would have LOVED to see Faith the Truck Driver. Or even Traith the Fuck Driver, which is how I first read it. Solider Boy seemed to have quite the storyline coming up. They didn't give us too much info on Nathan though. And what the hell is with all the Micheal's penis stuff??
Sometimes the right shows get canned.... by symon	Jul 10th, 2007 06:43:23 PM
The talent on this show was top notch, no doubt about that, but at the end of the day a show about a top secret race across the country for a mysterious prize is ... well ... retarded. It's basically Secret Wars on asphalt, without superheroes..... although actually that makes it sound better than it was.....
Would Have, Could Have, Should Have by tonagan	Jul 10th, 2007 06:44:44 PM
Would there have been a crossover with The Inside, too?
And yet Stacked went two seasons by Big Bad Clone	Jul 10th, 2007 06:45:38 PM
Heck, Faith's stupid one day time travel show produced two seasons (though they barely aired the second season).
Yeah, damn shame we missed out on Eliza Dushku. by DarthCorleone	Jul 10th, 2007 06:46:03 PM
My Albanian dream-girl in the role of homicidal truck driver...I can just see her behind the wheel with an insane twist on that sexy smirk of hers. Oh, well.
Dushku Regret by Birdys Piano Teacher	Jul 10th, 2007 06:47:49 PM
Just create the Faith spin-off already. Someone. Anyone.
Minear should write Alex Tully movie.. by torpor_haze	Jul 10th, 2007 06:49:33 PM
set after the race. He can do some of those plot points through a flashback.
Damn you Fox by gammaknight	Jul 10th, 2007 07:16:05 PM
The first four didn't amaze me in any particular way, but there was a fuck ton of potential if it could have gotten half a chance (or season) to become great. I half expect Fox to decide not to put up the last 2 eps online, with their manic fucking decision making regarding scheduling. No wonder they haven't had a hit in years.
ODELAY, HOMES by polyh3dron	Jul 10th, 2007 07:23:26 PM
yes.
The problem was... by jimmy_009	Jul 10th, 2007 07:31:48 PM
...there was no point to the race. Even in these 'big reveals' they don't tell you what the central reason for this race is. Why? Because they didn't have one. Good riddance. The last thing we need is another cock tease of a TV show.
Sounds Underwhelming by EyeofPolyphemus	Jul 10th, 2007 08:07:45 PM
There wasn't much to this show to begin with.
Fuck... by DanielKurland	Jul 10th, 2007 08:31:44 PM
Some of that stuff sounds really, really great. Especially the stuff involving Dylan Baker's character.
more drive revelations: by dr.bulber	Jul 10th, 2007 08:32:40 PM
drive. driven. drove. druvened.
Blame America First... by twitchinmonkey	Jul 10th, 2007 08:48:45 PM
As much as I hate Fox (and I REALLY hate Fox), and as much as I really want to slam them for pulling the plug on yet another show I was enjoying, in this case I can't blame them. They gave the show plenty of promotion on their highest rated shows (Idol, House, 24), they put it in a time slot that tripe like Prison Break has managed to do alright in, and the ratings were terrible. Twice as many people were watching Howie Mendel's pick a suitcase show and four times as many people were watching "Dancing with the C-listers". Fox has made a lot of stupid programing decisions that they deserve a lot of shit for (and I'm sure they'll be making many more in the future), but I can't really can't get pissed at them for this one.
Shitdamnfuckbuggerall. by Yeti	Jul 10th, 2007 09:28:30 PM
Wow. I feel better already!
Reason for the race... by Prof. Pop-Cult	Jul 10th, 2007 09:33:26 PM
I figured that the most logical reason would be that rich evil bastards were betting on the race. It was a huge illegal gambling operation with huge amounts of betting money at stake, that is all. Based on what Minear revealed about Amy Acker's character, you could extrapolate from this and imagine the possibility that she married Alex simply because he was a former racer. Their relationship could have been an elaborate ruse to get Alex into the race.
fox sux by RaveX	Jul 10th, 2007 09:34:14 PM
but that's nothing new. I just pray to god that I hate sarah connor chronicles. because, if I start liking it, it'll be canceled after 3 episodes.
Wow, my Dushku response was the opposite by Bass Ackwards	Jul 10th, 2007 09:47:33 PM
More along the lines of "Thank god we were spared that horrible b-actress retarded plot line."
Tim Minear and Fox by The_Stooge	Jul 10th, 2007 09:56:11 PM
The Fox network has cancelled 5 shows that Tim Minear has been involved with. They are Firefly, Wonderfalls, The Inside, Standoff, and Drive. The X-Files is the only Fox show that he worked on that wasn't cancelled early on. He has a weird tv production relationship with this network. Fox should at least try to show Minear some respect by being patient, and giving him some time for his shows to find an audience.
In today's climate, would the X-Files even made it? by Shan	Jul 10th, 2007 10:16:22 PM
... past season one? The way things are today, a lot of shows which went on to be huge successes would probably have been killed at birth because they took (by today's standards) too long to find an audience.
Shan by jimmy_009	Jul 10th, 2007 10:26:16 PM
I'd say yes because they had stand alone shows that were even stronger than the mythology shows. At least when the show was good that is. You could have cut out the mythology episodes all together and still had a hit. Todays shows rely primarily on the major plot gimmick, like Lost and Heroes (both shows I like), and when it looks like even the producers have no idea what that gimmick is, faith in the show plummets. With good stand alone shows like the X-files used to have, it didn't matter as much that the mythology ended up sucking.
Forgot to mention by jimmy_009	Jul 10th, 2007 10:28:33 PM
I thought Drive was a pretty weak concept for a show. If the whole point was that rich people were gambling on these races, then they should come out and say it. Don't pretend there's some grand mystery, you're only going to piss off your viewers when they find out that's all it was.
And X-Files was more easily syndicated by jimmy_009	Jul 10th, 2007 10:29:08 PM
Forgot that point too.
Yeah and I MIGHT have had sex with Jessica Biel by jumba7777	Jul 10th, 2007 10:37:19 PM
Except I didn't, so fuck Drive, it got cancelled, deal wit it.
Like LOST... by Jim Jam Bongs	Jul 10th, 2007 11:01:40 PM
LOST was created when ABC wanted a scripted version of the reality show Survivor. I bet when Tim Minear read this fact, he thought: "Hey, how about a scripted version of the reality show The Amazing Race?" He might have copied what ABC did, but it just didn't work.
Jimmy by Shan	Jul 10th, 2007 11:25:04 PM
I was thinking more along the lines that the X-Files wasn't getting the really good ratings right off the mark and needed about a season or two to get the really big ratings. I was wondering if they would give the show in today's climate that much time to find a huge audience or would they kill it because it wasn't delivering immediately.
damn by ciroslive	Jul 11th, 2007 12:21:37 AM
on paper this sounds very Stephen King-ish. Like Cannonball Run + Running Man. I probably should have watched the show...
At some point. some blame should fall on... by chromedome	Jul 11th, 2007 12:22:04 AM
...Minear. He keeps going to Fox, they keep screwing him (and us). why does he keep going back to them--does he think "this time will be different"? Is he codependent, addicted to abuse, what?
EUREKA PEOPLE by arrangedletters	Jul 11th, 2007 02:15:26 AM
Hey let's write a story about a show that's gone instead of focusing on a great show that's currently airing.
Fillion did get one bad ass scene out of it by Big Dumb Ape	Jul 11th, 2007 04:24:08 AM
The problem with the show wasn't Fox -- hey, as others have noted, they greenlit it...the advertised the hell out of it...the gave it a great premiere slot...and then it tanked. And mind you, it had its own inherent problems: for a show about a car race -- something you'd expect to be action packed and adrenaline fueled, since it was on TV and could only be filmed on a TV budget, you got little racing and alot of talking heads week after week -- and frankly what they had to say to one another wasn't ever that interesting. All in all, DRIVE had a fun concept, but Minear should have found a way to bring it to the big screen. It really would've worked a helluva lot better as a movie where you COULD have gone balls out with car stunts and whatnot to keep the adrenaline going. Though I will give them credit for one scene: when Fillion's past was revealed AND he was given a proper car and told to leave the truck behind, that one scene of him smiling to himself in pure cockiness, as he bobbed and weaved up the highway while passing everyone actually was one of the most bad ass TV moments of the year.
how by stvnhthr	Jul 11th, 2007 06:35:04 AM
how can fox cancel a show after three episodes? I never saw an episode and I flip channels quite a bit. This seems incredibly short sighted.
Though Susan was revealed to have a penis in an.... by Bill Brasky	Jul 11th, 2007 07:08:29 AM
'Brazilian' bikini waxes are increasingly popular among women who live nowhere near the bikini-clad beaches of Rio de Janeiro. For one 20-year-old woman in Melbourne, Australia, this routine procedure nearly took her life. The woman was admitted to an emergency room just two weeks after receiving a 'Brazilian' bikini wax, a procedure that involves removing even more hair front-to-back than a traditional bikini wax, according to the Brief Report published online in the June issue of the journal of Clinical Infectious Diseases. While the patient experienced "significant pain" and some bleeding during the procedure, which was performed by a trainee beauty therapist, her health had taken a sharp turn for the worst by the time she sought medical attention. According to the report, the young woman had poorly controlled type 1 diabetes. She was admitted to the hospital with a high fever, excruciating pain, "grossly swollen" genitalia, and a rash across her chest and neck. The woman's pain was so intense and the inflammation so severe that doctors were barely able to examine her in the emergency room. Eventually, the doctors were able to take blood samples and cultures, which came back positive for the potentially life-threatening bacteria, Streptococcus pyogenes. The patient's weakened immune system put her at risk when she underwent the hot-wax procedure, which caused the infection. A more complete exam, done under general anesthetic, revealed the woman was infected with herpes simplex. She was discharged after 10 days in the hospital after a steady regimen of antibiotics and other medications that saved her life. While she had regained her health, she had not learned her lesson. Six months later, the woman again tried to remove her pubic hair, but this time she was shaving herself. She subsequently developed a recurrence of herpes and another skin infection. She was treated again successfully, but the report noted that, "despite her traumatic experiences, the patient was keen to undertake further removal of pubic hair." The authors of the report warn that anyone with a compromised immune system, including diabetics and people infected with HIV, should think twice about waxing, or any beauty procedure. "Our case is notable, because it illustrates the infectious risks of pubic hair removal in a patient with diabetes," the authors concluded. "The beauty industry is growing at an unprecedented rate and more invasive and potentially harmful procedures are increasingly available." Even for salon customers without suppressed immune systems, this woman's story can be a lesson. Many studies have shown nail salons that do not properly sterilize equipment can easily spread hepatitis. Every salon patron, especially those getting bikini waxes, should ensure that they attend clean and reputable establishments where therapists regularly wash their hands and wear gloves. The authors of this report also recommend physicians familiarize themselves with these beauty practices so they can better advise patients about the pros and cons of their beauty regimens.
That's right, "grossly swollen" genitalia... by Bill Brasky	Jul 11th, 2007 07:09:45 AM
"Here's to Bill Brasky!"
How much more financial pain would it have been ... by Shan	Jul 11th, 2007 07:20:00 AM
... to just let Tim Minear finish the number of episodes to complete the first season and show them all? This is a genuine question, I'm actually curious. As it is, they must have still spent a fair amount of money, given how it all turned out, would they have been better off completing it so they could have something saleable, since they are obviously well past the point of scrapping it at the concept stage, having started to make it.
F/X by Tikkanen	Jul 11th, 2007 07:23:24 AM
or just move the show to F/X, where ratings expectations are not as high... FOX BASTARDS
I might be in the minority by MRJONZ72	Jul 11th, 2007 07:30:00 AM
But after 4 eps, this was my 2nd favorite new show of the season (after Heroes) and was one of my favorites all together, I was glad to come to find out there was so much more going on then what the promos lead you to believe....much better show then Season 6 of 24, which pains me to say since I had been a loyal watch or of 24 since Day 1
So if I... by Kid Z	Jul 11th, 2007 07:40:27 AM
... find a way to teleport into the mirror-verse, where assassin Abe Lincoln shot President John Wilkes Booth and three geeky techies who call themselves "the Lone Gunmen" stopped 9-11 from happening, and Drive wasn't cancelled after 4 episodes... I just might give a rip!
Gee Thanks "Doc" Brasky! by Kid Z	Jul 11th, 2007 08:31:05 AM
Now I know way, way, WAY more about the perils of "Brazilian bikini waxes" than I ever really wanted to. I also just threw my breakfast in the trash and will probably skip lunch as well...
Awful. I'm surprised there was no limo driving monkey. by Darth Bauer	Jul 11th, 2007 08:35:54 AM
Lame.
Actually, Fox only has two shows... by Kid Z	Jul 11th, 2007 08:38:12 AM
... American Idol and Not American Idol. It's the "Trailer Trash Network" and, with a few exceptions, always has been.
Thank you, Tim by Spykid the 13th	Jul 11th, 2007 09:29:17 AM
I really admire the fact that Tim gave DRIVE fans the lowdown on what they might've seen had the show continued. I wasn't a DRIVE fan, but we won't talk about a recent show featuring a murder mystery between several friends that never got resolved, that the creator was so angry about being cancelled that he refused to reveal the identity of the killer when the show was cancelled. Thanks, Tim. I wish more people would just come forward when favorite shows get cancelled and explain what would have happened. As to the X-FILES getting made today, I think it would possibly have lasted a few seasons. You need to think how it would go, though: they'd start it, only there would be many changes. For instance, Scully would be played by Wanda Sykes and Mulder would be portrayed by Barry Pepper (he's gonna be a big star someday! Hollywood says so!). Replace the whole "my sister was abducted" with "something unfortunate happened to my sister that I refuse to talk about to anyone" with various confused flashbacks that never tell us what happened to his sister. We'd also get flashbacks from The Cigarette-Smoking Man, Krycek, Scully and pretty much everyone else. We'd also get a slashed budget and no special effects - everything would be off-camera, and what wasn't would be a mass of jump-cut edits, followed by more flashbacks. Then, when the show barely managed to get through its first season, the storyline would be "retooled," only the creators would insist under duress of torture that they had planned the retooling all along and that there were "clues" throughout the series, and they would make the new season "darker, more intense, edgier, a cleaner and leaner and faster show" that would "answer many fans' questions." The answers would consist of half-measure solutions ("your sister was hit by a car!") that would basically mean writing out the old mysteries and replacing them with new ones. Then, it would be cancelled.
Naw... by Kid Z	Jul 11th, 2007 09:35:59 AM
... if X-Files premiered today, Fox would schedule on Wednesday at nine, move it to Monday at eight, followed by Thursday at nine, then Sunday at nine the following week, then cancel it. The usual handling of any Not American Idol show on Fox.
right on arrangedletters by PVIII	Jul 11th, 2007 10:03:49 AM
We get the season premiere of a damn entertaining show--no talkback. For a show that lasted 4 episodes? Three talkbacks in a week. FUCK YOU.
Getting a Talkback all depends... by Kid Z	Jul 11th, 2007 10:51:38 AM
... on the whims of Congarilla. You know that coming in and deal with it or not...
Dear Fox, by Kilgores Doubt	Jul 11th, 2007 12:10:39 PM
Dear Fox, What the hell is wrong with you? I think you should take after the lost Susan story line and reveal your penis. Wonderfalls was excellent, Drive was getting good, Fuck even PASADENA is still getting talked about here and there. But no, you let TRU CALLING go two seasons. Thank God Bryan Fuller took his new show to a different network. But I do have to thank you for sparing us any more Dushku. I look forward to you ruining Terminator for me.
Which one was Susan again? by Meglos	Jul 11th, 2007 01:17:57 PM
It's been so long that I can't put a face to some of these character names...
So what are the odds.... by Blackguard	Jul 11th, 2007 02:17:40 PM
of "New Amsterdam" lasting longer than Drive? A new FOX sci-fi type series doesn't usually end well. John Doe anyone??
Confused by andypicch	Jul 11th, 2007 02:36:59 PM
I am sure I am being nieve, but I am wondering why show like this and Firefly... shows that obviously have somewhat a fan base... don't shop to minor networks after the major networks cancel them. I mean, Firefly could probably have lived a long life on the SciFi channel and Drive... what about USA or TNT... I am sure it would have lasted longer than Wanted!!
Confused part Dos by andypicch	Jul 11th, 2007 02:48:07 PM
okay, I am guilty of not reading the whole thread before posting... but my original question does still stand... however, I just want to note, anyone that uses the term "WhatNot"... it is bad enough to say it, but to write it. I think the next episode of Drive should have someone driving over your tongue!... just sayin'
Those plot developements sound silly silly silly by sapno_krei	Jul 11th, 2007 03:41:57 PM
And this coming from a guy who likes LOST...
well its done now by Mr_X	Jul 11th, 2007 07:19:31 PM
and i liked the show. you've learnt your lessons. fuck you fox!
More Big Changes if They Made X-FILES TODAY by Spykid the 13th	Jul 11th, 2007 09:59:04 PM
I can't believe I left out some of the points I'd meant to make about the "What if they tried to make X-FILES today?" subject First off among the lost details, the title of the show: it couldn't be called THE X-FILES today. It's too sci-fi, too kitsch, too fun. It would have to have a harder, tougher name for a CSI world. Since they can't call it CSI: SECTOR L5, they'd have to call it: THE FILE Furthermore, the show if it were made today would absolutely and unequivocably NOT feature aliens. It would not feature monsters. It would not feature werewolves or talking tattoos. What it WOULD feature were deluded homicidal maniacs who BELIEVE in these things, in much the same way that the occasional CSI episode will tease about a vampire only to reveal in the last act that the vampire is, of course, just a pervy dude with the latest in cosmetic body-modification (complete with an elder female cop discussing the big body-modification fad, and a few parodies of fans of this trend declaring rebelliously that the cops can't stop them from modifying their bodies and that everyone is doing it). From time to time there would be the odd ambiguous situation that might possibly have had supernatural underpinnings, but the show would make absolutely sure that everything could be entirely explained in mundane fashion as hallucinations brought on by drugs or pyrotechnics or some cobination of both. Bottom line: NOTHING SUPERNATURAL WOULD EVER BE CONFIRMED TO HAVE HAPPENED TO ANY OF THE CHARACTERS, from the start of the series to the end. In addition, the show would have a flash-animated website where, instead of being allowed to discuss theories with input from the creative people behind the show, you'd get weird spinning symbols and stone tablets that say things like FIRRUIS - DUCHEK - KOIAS that, when you clicked them, would bring up trailers and pictures. However, it would be utterly impossible to actually just collect information about the site without navigating a button you have to click that says BEYOND THE SOUL LIES THE TRUE DEMON.
That's a lot for 2 more hours by Doggus47	Jul 12th, 2007 12:11:04 AM
Take away the commercial times, that's a whole lot of disclosures for 88(?) minutes of tv.
I was thinking the same thing arrangedletters by Bloo	Jul 12th, 2007 11:50:09 AM
exccept about Burn Notice, for some reason that show has attracted my attention. I can't belive we have a TV show on a big cable network (USA) feature the Chin himself Bruce Campbell, smoking hot Gaberille Anwar and a fun premise. Missed the season premire of Eureka, was it any good?
Doggus47, that's not what happens in the last by Big Jim	Jul 12th, 2007 01:03:54 PM
2 episodes, it's just where they might have gone had the series continued (and they had kept making episodes).
I would have kept watching by _Maltheus_	Jul 12th, 2007 04:59:44 PM
It would have never been a great show, but it sounds like it would have entertained. I never really cared much about the reason for the race, I figured it was betting/entertainment tied up with some sort of cult or something. I'm sure we'd find out that it goes back to a time long before cars. But as others have said, this would have made a great summer popcorn show. Why have all networks seemingly given up on summer shows? I guess those with kids tend to take more vacations in the summer, but those without kids take more vacations overall, and they're taking them in the other seasons to avoid the heat and inflated costs. Hell, I was once into that crap-fest Nip/Tuck entirely because it was a summer show and nothing else was on. Once it switched to a regular schedule, I stopped watching. Even Sci-Fi skipped out on the summer thing this year. I guess they just want to get people out of the habit of watching TV or something. I don't get it.
"Why have all networks..." (_Maltheus_) by Spykid the 13th	Jul 12th, 2007 09:54:57 PM
"... seemingly given up on summer shows?" asks _Maltheus_. Easy: it's because it's much easier and more profitable to simply hitch a camera to a stick and watch people snipe at eachother in various "real" settings. It's easier and more profitable to do talent scout shows, or singing shows, or game shows, or really anything other than hiring actors or telling stories. It's easier and more profitable to simply show the intellectual equivalent of the Yule Log every night and people will nevertheless tune in, MORESO if it's the Yule Log. Look at the top shows, and the near-universal theme is that they don't require the viewer to think even as hard as we once did watching THE FACTS OF LIFE or THE A-TEAM. Picking out a suitcase has never been more fun to the world viewer than it is now, so why would I want to produce something that will only earn me an office full of nuts (literally)?
Summer shows? by Big Jim	Jul 13th, 2007 03:54:03 PM
I don't remember networks (at least the big 3) doing scripted summer shows. I remember back in Fox's early days they used to premiere some of their shows in mid-August to get a jump on ABC CBS and NBC. Were there a lot of scripted Summer shows in the past? What were they? Maybe I just missed them.
Summer Shows, Big Jim by Spykid the 13th	Jul 14th, 2007 11:29:25 AM
What he's talking about is the fact that all the sci-fi/fantasy/fun shows usually got the early axe and ended up being midseason replacements as the networks burnt off the series episodes they'd paid for but didn't have the slightest confidence in. These shows were usually fun, enjoyable, entertaining and different fron the usual fare. They were also almost always universally cancelled within a few episodes.

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