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HALLOWEEN Reshoots? Six More Deaths? A New Ending?!

First by Veni Vidi Vici	Jul 1st, 2007 10:02:51 PM
maybe
FIRST!!! by complexion	Jul 1st, 2007 10:02:57 PM
Again!!!!
first by Rex Manning	Jul 1st, 2007 10:02:58 PM
it was all said an done in FREAK OUT
FOURTH! by scottybtrue	Jul 1st, 2007 10:06:52 PM
Wow, I've never posted so earyl on a talkback before... Anyways here's hoping that these reshoots up the ante a little and makes this a Halloween worth it's title!
Rob Zombie's HALLOWEEN by LoneGun	Jul 1st, 2007 10:10:08 PM
Just got around to seeing THE DEVIL'S REJECTS recently - an incredibly depraved, yet watchable movie. I'm getting more curious about how Zombie will tackle HALLOWEEN. Whether it's good or not, nothing can take away from the original. The original will always be around, so I think I'll just relax and check out Zombie's version with an open mind.
Sixth! by darrenspool	Jul 1st, 2007 10:11:19 PM
yeh?
um weren't there like 4 deaths total in the original? by waggy	Jul 1st, 2007 10:11:36 PM
Laurie's 2 friends, the boyfriend, and Michael's sister. That's all that's coming to mind. Oh and a couple off camera things like the mechanic or whatever. Alright, i admit, i'm a total naysayer for this project, and i do think the original is untouchable, but that doesn't mean that upping the body count is the way to win cynics over.
halloween was boring by darrenspool	Jul 1st, 2007 10:13:21 PM
they should remake a psycho who's actually interesting, like norman bates.
yeah like four people die in the original by McClane_Corleone	Jul 1st, 2007 10:48:47 PM
The best is the boyfriend. When he stabs him to the wall and then looks at him. I doubt we'll get subtlety like that from a guy named Rob Zombie.
but does he still by strangernparadis	Jul 1st, 2007 11:00:51 PM
have the "I gotta take a shit" mask?? thats the important question people!!
didn't he kill some as he escaped? by strangernparadis	Jul 1st, 2007 11:04:44 PM
a person in a car? right before the "I have been in an asylum since I was six but can drive a car" scene?
Not a good sign. by Yeti	Jul 1st, 2007 11:07:14 PM
Then again Zombie entered a no-win siutuation by redoing this in the first place.
McClane_Corleone by TVguy4566	Jul 1st, 2007 11:10:39 PM
I agree. The killing of the boyfriend in the original is an example of what made the original Halloween so great. Here Michael stabs a guy to the wall and they he tilts his head back and fourth as he watched him die as if it piqued his curiousity. I agree that was a subtlely brilliant. I also agree that will be lost in the new Zombie movie. I fear that increasing the body count is yet another move to make this less of a remake or reimagination and just putting a Zombie's horror movies and putting in the Halloween setting. From everything I have seen about this movie that if you take the movie title and characters names away that is movie isn't much more of a Halloween remake than the Devil Rejects is a remake of Halloween. High body counts was alway more of a Friday the 13th (which I think would have been a far better remake for Zombie to tackle because his style suites that film's style better) think than a Halloween thing. Even a lot of the Halloween remakes couldn't match the body counts of a typical Friday the 13th movie.
Love the comment about tearing something down by RevSick	Jul 1st, 2007 11:11:58 PM
before it's done. A bit hypocrytical for a site that posts reviews of unfinished cuts of films or scripts.
darrenspool, re: Zombie's PSYCHO by LoneGun	Jul 1st, 2007 11:12:56 PM
Now THAT would be interesting.
Danielle Harris... by TheRealSeveren	Jul 1st, 2007 11:13:33 PM
assured me last weekend that we will all be satisfied with the remake and yes...there is one scene in particular where any fans of her will be very pleased. She also cusses alot which I found to be quite attractive.
strangernparadis by TVguy4566	Jul 1st, 2007 11:14:57 PM
Techincally he did kill the person in the car, but not until Halloween H2O. The person in the car was nurse Marion Chambers who also appeared in Halloween II (she informed Dr. Loomis that Michael was Lorie's sister) and was killed at the beginning of H2O. As far as I can remember, he didn't kill anyone escaping.
if they had to do this, the movie is bad by ScamsAndFlams	Jul 1st, 2007 11:18:39 PM
and will remain bad. obviously.
RevSick by TVguy4566	Jul 1st, 2007 11:21:43 PM
If you are shooting new scenes two months before the films opens, it usually means it bombed in the test screenings. You don't do last minute reshoots because the film is awesome and you can make it better with a few new scenes. Sometimes reshoots help make a movie a classic (Fatal Attraction comes to mind where they reshot the ending because no one liked it, but then again, I like the original ending better), but last minute reshoot are usually the kiss of death. I for one just think Zombie is doing himself a disservice by making this a Halloween movie. He is veering so far away from the original source material that even if he makes a brilliant film that it may be lost by a lot of people because of the comparisons to the original. It isn't like Stephen Sodebergh deciding to remake a crappy film that no one liked or even remembered in Ocean's 11. Halloween is considered the Gold Standard in this genre.
But how many new rapes will there be? by lost.rules	Jul 1st, 2007 11:41:21 PM
Hopefully, at least 50. And if were lucky, maybe Michael is like funny, and sympathetic, with a backstory that explains why he is the way he is. Come on Rob! Fuck this one up as much as you can!
they're scared of rob by paragraphs	Jul 1st, 2007 11:44:48 PM
why does every article start with..."not to rail on rob" or "maybe not his fault" or some such. we get it, the AICN staff is either friends with him or likes him. either way stop apologizing and just fucking rip into him if he deserves it. stop playing favorites. and it sounds like the remake is gonna suck.
will AICN ever have an "edit" feature by paragraphs	Jul 1st, 2007 11:45:53 PM
i would like that.
I have to take a shit. Mask please. Thank you. by Uncapie	Jul 1st, 2007 11:58:21 PM
"Three more days 'till Halloween, Halloween, Halloween...three more days 'till Halloween...SILVER SHAMROCK!"
I wish Zombie would have just left Halloween alone by Quake II	Jul 2nd, 2007 12:03:13 AM
There is NO WAY this remake will do anything but tarnish the original. Idiot kids today will say "The old Halloween was boring. There weren't enough killings", not realizing that THAT'S the reason it's so powerful. When there is finally a killing in Carpenter's film, you FEEL IT. There's emotion! Kill 15 people in a movie and the audience is numb to it after the first 3. NO impact at all. Zombie is not known for holding back...to a fault. BUT I will blame Carpenter in the long run as he has been selling out for years. "Just remake my movies all you want as long as the checks clear". Shame on you John. What the fuck happened?
I don't get fans of the original who say... by TVguy4566	Jul 2nd, 2007 12:21:57 AM
That they anticipate this movie because all the sequels sucked and they want the franchise to go in a new direction. From everything I have read, this movie is closer to the watered-down sequels that ditched Carpenter's "Hitchcockian" feel to become more generic slasher flick. From what I can tell is that this will be a another Zombie Southern Fried Slasher flick with a Halloween backdrop. I don't get anyone who loved the original and hated the sequels being excited about this movie. They may end up enjoying the movie, but this movie seems to have very little to do with the original movie whatsoever and Zombie clearly doesn't understand or chooses to totally ignore what Carpenter was trying to do with the original.
Michael Meyers has chosen HD-DVD and heres why by strangernparadis	Jul 2nd, 2007 12:32:28 AM
the Blu-Ray mask made his ass look fat
The Franchise is Damaged Goods Already by Gatack	Jul 2nd, 2007 12:35:36 AM
One more D-grade movie isn't going to change anything.
Maybe they're making up for the lack of deaths in LFDH. by Mike_D	Jul 2nd, 2007 12:41:25 AM
"Live free or Die Hard".
Why isn't this being released around OCTOBER by DanDelion	Jul 2nd, 2007 12:47:17 AM
You know, when it's FUCKING HALLOWEEN. Fuck those Saw films.
ROB ZOMBIE IS A FAT "PSYCHLO" FROM BATTLEFIELD EARTH by Daddylonghead	Jul 2nd, 2007 01:09:27 AM
I understand these reshoots have added a crucial BAD-ASS REDNECK ROLLERDERBY ROCKABILLY MONSTER BASH HOOTENANNY sequence. Is it just me, or is "Zombie" some upper-middle-class suburban boy, probably even jewish, with a tiresome obsession for all things "white trash?" I wish Zombie was into hip-hop culture instead, that would be much funnier. Oh wait, that already exists, it's called Insane Clown Posse. ROB ZOMBIE IS A JUGGALO
TVguy.... by RevSick	Jul 2nd, 2007 01:12:49 AM
...I was adressing the comment Moriarity made adressing people who are tearing the film apart even though the film is not finished.
HALLOWEEN RESHOOTS: SIX MORE SHIT MASKS by Daddylonghead	Jul 2nd, 2007 01:19:30 AM
That was the number one feedback item on the Test Screening reports... consensus from audience and execs alike was "NEEDS MORE SHIT MASK!" Now Zombie is SCRAMBLING to pack in as many ADDITIONAL SHIT MASKS as he can. Some will be CGI SHIT MASKS added in post-production, and there will be ADR dubbing so you will see a character's face saying "I'm going to the store to get a..." and then it will cut to a reaction shot and you will hear "SHIT MASK"
WTF by The Dum Guy	Jul 2nd, 2007 01:20:04 AM
How in the hell can anyone have hope for sequel that would have been good? Honestly, Busta Rhymes killed the entire franchise after he karate chopped Myers. If you want to blame anyone for not getting a good sequel, seek out Bin Laden and kill his ass. I'm sorry, but having a half-ass sequel is way better than having another hack make a sequel.
Who cares? by spectrebeeyatch	Jul 2nd, 2007 01:28:49 AM
Battlefield Earth that was hilarious I have to give props to that joke. I think Zombie should remake that movie! That would be something to see otherwise I will be avoiding this movie and seeing Superbad or anything else I can find instead.
Should have made it 7. by kikuchiyoboy	Jul 2nd, 2007 01:29:10 AM

Anyone remember the TCM remake? by magic_ninja	Jul 2nd, 2007 01:30:40 AM
Yeah, me either. I'm sorry, a basement in a 70's Texas farmhouse? Fucking idiots.
Make it 19 and tie it into Wolves Of The Calla... by film_fanatic_in_the_original_bla ck_and_white	Jul 2nd, 2007 02:06:05 AM
Make it part of the Dark Tower universe, or mythos as others say.
Six Deaths by Silent Mark	Jul 2nd, 2007 02:17:50 AM
Six more deaths, on top of however many there are/were is alot of deaths. If this is so, there'd be nothing but a death every 5 minutes until the credits. Does it not seem more plausable that 6 existing sequences are being reshot?
they can always fix it in post by RokurGepta	Jul 2nd, 2007 02:36:44 AM
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rob zombie is my bitch by wolvenom	Jul 2nd, 2007 02:39:29 AM
and he knows it
They forgot to mention the new Sid Haig cameo! by DerLanghaarige	Jul 2nd, 2007 03:06:15 AM
I've read about this last week somewhere else, maybe even on Rob Zombie's MySpace page. (And no, I got no idea if he has 7.000 Friends...)
THE ONLY GOOD THING TO COME OUT OF THIS MOVIE! by Judge Dredds Dirty Undies	Jul 2nd, 2007 03:19:53 AM
Will be the take a shit mask merchandise!
New Halloween ending by Franklin T Marmoset	Jul 2nd, 2007 03:25:47 AM
Michael Myers and Laurie Strode are FIGHTING. It's a real slobberknocker, obviously. Lamps have been smashed, wrecked furniture litters the floor of Laurie's normally quiet suburban home. Laurie has a deep cut in her right arm; Michael has a knitting needle jutting out of his neck. Both are out of breath, exhausted from the titanic stuggle, and each has a hold of the other in a desperate attempt to gain some kind of physical advantage. Kosmo Kramer enters. "Oh, come on!" Kramer shouts. "Can't you two see you're in love with each other!" Laurie and Michael stop struggling immediately. They look into each other's eyes. Deeply. Kramer is right. They ARE in love. The pair embrace, then kiss - a deep kiss, although no tongue on account of Michael is still wearing the Shatner mask. Laurie takes Michael's hand and leads him out of the ruined house. Outside, the sun is beginning to rise - A new morning. They get in to Michael's stolen car and put the top down, starting it up and heading off toward the horizon - toward the sunrise. Then they both get shot in slow motion while Give Me Back My Bullets by Lynyrd Skynyrd plays. THE END
Franklin T Marmoset by The Dum Guy	Jul 2nd, 2007 03:30:56 AM
...you forget to mention the part when Cosmo, yells "N(gunshot)ers! Why didn't you take me with ya?" [fade to black].
Two of the six are... by Angry Bald Guy	Jul 2nd, 2007 03:37:21 AM
Uwe Boll and Paul WS Anderson.
And the train wreck draws closer to the station... by MaxTheSilent	Jul 2nd, 2007 03:51:42 AM
Fuck this movie.
Don't know if Zombie is... by Tourist	Jul 2nd, 2007 03:54:30 AM
Jewish or not, but the dude is from genuine carny folk. Redneck all the way. 6 more deaths in a week? It's all either in one scene, brief montage filling kills, or tweaks of whats in there. Weird thing is, all the reviews mentioned that the ending actually really worked, more so than any other element.
carny folk my ass, he's whitebread. by Daddylonghead	Jul 2nd, 2007 04:37:44 AM
I don't care what wikipedia says (although it did briefly claim him the nickname "shit mask rob" until some do-gooder reverted it). Maybe his mom and dad followed the dead before law school or some hippie crap like that. But carny? Pffff. Of course that doesn't matter either way; you don't need "bona fides" to be an artist. But you do need out-of-control self-importance and a spoiled child's sense of entitlement to decide you're going to remake John Carpenter's Halloween...
If re-shoots add a SLOBBERKNOCKER, then I approve!! by Daddylonghead	Jul 2nd, 2007 04:53:51 AM
Baw God, business is about to pick up! Mike Meyers is about to unleash a good-old fashioned ass-whupping on Strode... Look out, there it is, POWERBOMB! POWERBOMB! MAH GOD, SHE'S BEEN BROKEN IN HALF!
All we are saying, is give Zombie a chance! by Hank Hawk	Jul 2nd, 2007 05:04:17 AM
HALLOWEEN (the original) scared the shit out of me. Especially the ending. Back than, I was used to happy endings, where the bad guy, get what he deserves - But no. Not here. Meyers get's up again, and again, and again. THIS was new AND really scary. Back than, like everybody else, I was eager to watch the sequel, which sucked, cause, for me, it was not true to the rules set up in the original (and Meyers looked chubby in this one, too). I finaly stopped watching after part three. BUT, Carpenter's HALLOWEEN, to this day, is my absolute favorite horror movie. And now this singer/ filmmaker called "Zombie" comes in and dares to remakes this classic. And you know what? I can't wait to see it! After watching the trailer, looking at the stills, hearing the Halloween-theme, watching the poster, I'm am now absolute convinced that this remake will rock AND indeed will be a reinvention AND extension of the original material and that is true to the original source. I'm really looking forward to explore Michael's backstory, cause this was the weakest part of Carpenters version (budget reasons?). I want to know what makes Meyers tick. Sorry guys, but the exposition of the original, was not convincing and scary at all. Not with one word was it explained why this boy was growing to be this killing machine. Not with one word. Yes, Loomis talked a lot about "devils eyes" and "pure evil" and stuff like that, but that was "word of mouth" if you like. But I really want to SEE why this boy killed his sister and turned into this monster - why, you may ask? I mean, come on, that is a very integral point for the story, because it explains everything and givers the charecters, especially Michaels, more depth. Maybe Judith was a bitch? Maybe she did some terrible things to her brother? Maybe he was in "love" with her. Maybe... ? You see, there are thousand and one possible explanations. But I can already hear it from you haters: "it doesn't have to explain everything!" Well, yes, you are right. But I guess, that nobody would have said back than: Naaa, this films sucks, cause it explains, why this boy kills his sister. Absolute nobody would have said: I wish, this Carpenter guy would have leave this backstory shit out, cause it explains to much. But that's okay. Put the original in your DVD player and watch it again and again (I for sure will do so). But for us, who are willing to give Zombies version a chance, we are going to buy a ticket and see it in the theaters. Period. And there is another point I want to address. We, who love the original, are not sixteen anymore. Times have changed and so does the audience. There are films, which I still find great and scary and exiting, but my fifteen year old son yawns over them. Sorry, but that's a fact. These films are "classics" to US, but for todays kids, it's old stuff. Maybe the will rediscover them later, but till than,(almost) anything my dad finds cool, sucks big time. On the other hand, he almost shits his pants watching Carpenter's THE THING. But wasn't that a remake either? And I dare anybody of you talkbakers to say, that Carpenter version of the original material was not a reinvention and extension of the original Hawk material. But maybe you are right. Maybe Zombie's version sucked. We will see. But, all we are saying, give Zombie a chance.
MYERS IS STOMPIN' A MUDHOLE AND WALKIN' IT DRY!! by Franklin T Marmoset	Jul 2nd, 2007 05:17:37 AM
I haven't watched any wrestling for quite a few years, but I do miss Jim Ross's overwrought commentaries. It always amazed me he didn't give himself six heart attacks and a stroke during every pay per view. Many films would be perked up by the addition of a Jim Ross commentary during the fight scenes, I think. "GOOD LORD!! HE'S WHUPPIN' HIS ASS LIKE A GOVERNMENT MULE!!!!!"
What???! Carpenter's THE THING was a remake?!?!?! by Daddylonghead	Jul 2nd, 2007 05:24:08 AM
Wow, that blows my mind! That changes EVERYTHING! Obviously then, by logical extension Rob Zombie MUST be a good filmmaker, and Halloween MUST need a remake from Rob Zombie! I wish someone had brought up "TheThing" being a remake EARLIER, like maybe TEN TIMES IN EVERY HALLOWEEN TALKBACK; maybe then it wouldn't have taken me so long to see the light!
Mori, come on... by spud mcspud	Jul 2nd, 2007 05:53:44 AM
Every time you go an sit in a theatre hoping for the best on a shit remake, which you KNOW in your heart will be shit because the script sure as hell is, you are PAYING THESE TWATS TO MAKE MORE SHIT SEQUELS!!!!! DON'T go watch them, DON'T rent them on DVD - wait ofr them on the cable networks. Zombie gets fuck all, then gets to go back to his "grindhouse" dirge. DON'T pay to see these movies - IT ENCOURAGES THEM!!!
nope. by Lost Prophet	Jul 2nd, 2007 06:51:04 AM
I don't care how many deaths they add, or how often they reshoot it. It will still blow. Why can't arseholes remake films I don't care about?
I went from... by Sigmar25	Jul 2nd, 2007 07:06:49 AM
Super excited about this film, to the point where I don't think I even care about it anymore... we usually watch the original around Halloween-time. No need for a remake..
Danielle Harris=Nipples on Batman...errr..... by Dr Gregory House	Jul 2nd, 2007 07:09:33 AM
nipples on screen.......Please please...with wood on top
Maybe by Darksider	Jul 2nd, 2007 07:28:52 AM
They were too busy filming the new backstory, that they forgot to shot the rest of the movie.
It's called Halloween.. Let's release it Labor day! by queentylerdarden	Jul 2nd, 2007 07:49:21 AM
Jesus! pull you're head outta your ass. You'd think a movie called "Halloween" would be released in or around fucking October. What are you guys scared of..Jigsaw? Dimension studios will be releasing " The Santa Clause 4" next Easter and " Independence Day 2" will be released St. Patrick's Day. Dumbasses.
queentylerdarden is right by Franklin T Marmoset	Jul 2nd, 2007 07:59:11 AM
Angry, but right. Why aren't they going with an October 31 release date? Not only does it seem to make perfect sense, but it would give them a little extra time to film fourteen more deaths and a couple of extra endings. Come on, makers of Rob Zombie's John Carpenter's Halloween, don't look a gift horse in the mouth!
Wow, it's gory! Way to go, "zombie"! by Stalin vs Predator	Jul 2nd, 2007 08:14:41 AM
You managed to beat all the blood and gore that made Carpenter's real film so effective! (Can someone exterminate this thing before a studio crackhead gives him "The Exorcist" to remake?)
More deaths.. by Ironmuskrat	Jul 2nd, 2007 08:15:29 AM
Strange I have never even thought about how many people died in the original Halloween. The original movie didn't need a high body count because it was fucking scary ass movie, it wasn't a gross out movie. The boyfriend getting nailed to the wall with a butcher knife is still one of the all time creepiest horror movies moments of all time and I don't think there was one drop of blood in the whole scene. Leave to Rob to think one of the things missing from the original was a higher body count and bloodier deaths.
No comment... by RockLobster800	Jul 2nd, 2007 08:21:52 AM
although I have to say I dont think upping the body count will be the way to fix a flick-making things "gruesome" doesnt get me excited particularly for a Halloween film. I mean the first was hardly gorey-it was about the unseen terror, right? But I'll probabaly watch the version somebody downloads of Limewire before I make my judgment-cos there isnt a chance in hell I'll pay too see it.
And exactly, what's with the apologies to "zombie"? by Stalin vs Predator	Jul 2nd, 2007 08:26:58 AM
Every time since Quint's wonderful review of the shi... uh, "script", each AICN news item about this project has started and ended with apologies. Even Quint himself got surprisingly mellow in recent updates. I know time heals wounds, but for shape's sake, can't you see some things need to be stopped or at least constant attempts to stop them should be made?
Reshoots? by emptystan	Jul 2nd, 2007 08:31:03 AM
Because that's a good sign. Right. Maybe the test audiences found that there was some unneeded "tension" or "suspense" and Zombie just couldn't stand idly by and just let that go, so MORE MORE GORE! And a new ending... As if the idea of this remake wasn't frightening enough, now the idea that a test audience or the studio found it so horrid that all this was necessary 2 months out, well that's truely terrifying.
Are they TONING DOWN the deaths to get PG-13? by performingmonkey	Jul 2nd, 2007 08:54:36 AM
The only thing that could save this is a realistic sex scene, Michael stands there in shadow watching them fuck then when they notice him he stabs them both together with a machete. Whem Laurie finds them they are pinned to the wall with the machete, his dick still in her cunt. Shit like that would make this remake worth it. But it'll be pussified. I bet all the deaths are being reshot to tone them down to achieve PG-13.
new ending = gotta shit mask gets glued to his head by The Only Woj	Jul 2nd, 2007 09:09:45 AM
can't take it off, dies from dehydration
Hank Hawk by TVguy4566	Jul 2nd, 2007 10:04:49 AM
Carpenter didn't do a back story not because he didn't have a budget, but because he felt that a murderer who was pure evil and killed for no apparent reason was scarier than a murderer who was created. Lorie being Michael's sister wasn't introduced until Halloween II and I think it was only to explain why Michael would continually follow Lorie. The point of the first movie was that Michael Myers was the Boogeyman and that the Boogeyman kills without rhyme or reason. He even gave Michael an "Angel face" and used an actor who looked very sweet and innocent looking for when they pulled off the mask (someone else played Michael in all the other scenes) to even make it more off putting. I think if financiers gave him more money back in 1978 to do a backstory he would have refused. As for being true to the orginal, I didn't get that from the trailer. In the orginal, Meyers killed without emotion, but it seems pretty clear that based on the trailer where he kills his mother or sister in the kitchen that he is more psychotic and his sexual fascination with his sister is not anywhere to be seen in any othe the other movies. I think Zombie is basically only keeping the characters and the some scenes and throwing everything else from the original out the window. That is why he would have been better off making his own movie rather than using the Halloween name. The only way I can see myself enjoying this movie is if I can look at it as a totally separate entity because Zombie chose to disregard what made the orginal a classic (the Boogeyman theme, suspense over gore, a Hitchcockian feel). This movie could end up being a classic (I doubt it), but it will be because it is an entertaining movie on it's own and not because it extends, revamps, etc. the Halloween legacy. If Zombie is relying on the Halloween legacy to make this film popular, he seriously misjudged what he is doing. I still think the Halloween legacy is going to be a lead weight around this movie's neck. As it's own movie, I think it has a better chance of holding up although probably wouldn't get the same ticket sales because of the Halloween title.
The Release Date by TVguy4566	Jul 2nd, 2007 10:16:59 AM
Basically the Saw franchise has co-opped the Halloween season so they are releasing this movie to not have to compete with Saw IV.
A PG-13 Rating by TVguy4566	Jul 2nd, 2007 10:19:51 AM
If the orginal movie was released today and they cut out PJ Soles' naked breasts, that movie probably would get a PG-13 rating today. There is virtually no blood in that movie. You can see more blood and guts on an episode of 24 than you did in the original Halloween.
Remakes by Philvis	Jul 2nd, 2007 10:43:38 AM
Can't these artistic geniuses come up with their own ideas. Too many remakes flooding the market. Hollywood has gotten lazy. The first Halloween did its job. I don't think a remake is needed.
"BUT I RESHOT THE ENDING SIX TIMES ! !" by Pound Sand	Jul 2nd, 2007 10:48:49 AM
the reboot doesn't need more gore, Rob, it needs a purpose.
I wish Zombie would stick to his guns... by RockLobster800	Jul 2nd, 2007 10:58:45 AM
sulking away after a lambasting on AICN and now he's realised he has to shoot a different ending? Rob man, if you've made a piece of shit at least stand by it as your vision (if you actually had one) instead of desperately trying to fix it to win peoples approval...adding more gore aint going to help you none either.Thing is-noboy wanted this remake, few were EVER gonna like it because the original had such a huge following so when the thought "I'll remake Halloween but give Myers a back story and tonnes of gore" you already shot yourself in the foot. Did you really think fans would thank you for robbing thier favourite monster of his mystery and essentially his evilness? You'll have a fan base of teenage dullards who either havent seen the original or are happy if you give them a bit of gore. THATS IT. When (or if)I have kids and one of them sees Zombies Halloween and then later sees the original and complains that Carpenters isnt as good cos it wasnt a gory ass hell feast of violence i'll know I've sired an idiot. Actually I cant judge cos I havent seen it but I can just tell from the trailer and this article, things arent going right Rob...you shouldnt have bothered. Really.
They had a screening of this on 34th street last week by slone13	Jul 2nd, 2007 11:14:33 AM
I decided not to go, but everyone in line looked like they could have been a member of the Misfits. It was kind of funny. Good day.
allow me to say this agin: Back stories do not work. by future help	Jul 2nd, 2007 11:50:10 AM
keep the mysteries and such intact. IT DID NOT WORK for VADER. It did not work for HANNIBAL. stop the madness.
future help by TVguy4566	Jul 2nd, 2007 12:19:40 PM
In fairness, the backstory of Darth Vader didn't work because it was poorly executed. Midoclorine, a whiny Haden Christensen who made it impossible for most people to get emotionally invested with, a weak and forced love story, etc. If Lucas executed his prequels like his original trilogy, the backstory probably would have worked. But the backstory of Vader was intrical to the overall story of Star Wars. It was a major rights of passage for Luke. It was Vader's past that ultimately ended the Empire. I can't see a Halloween backstory having that much of an effect on the entire movie like Vader's backstory had on the Star Wars movies. As for Hannibal, I don't think we needed a backstory, but I also think Thomas Harris sold out and has been writing Hannibal Lector books for several books now not because he has more story to tell, but he has more dollars to be made. I have never seen a pretty good writer (which Harris was until his last two books) sell out worse than Harris. Red Dragon and Silence of the Lambs were incredible books. Hannibal and Hannibal Rising were hack jobs.
Do they just do this shit for DVDs? by Spandau Belly	Jul 2nd, 2007 12:27:16 PM
These endless reshoots and new endings and alternate takes and shit? Isn't there somebody in Hollywood who can read the script and spot the problems BEFORE they sink millions of dollars in productions?
Zombie: "I never shoot multiple anything" by BitterMan23	Jul 2nd, 2007 12:31:55 PM
the quote is from his interview with B-D. Kind of funny. The rest: "You have to know what you’re attempting to do. Movies with multiple endings are always horrible, because other people get involved and people start weighing in with their thoughts suddenly people think its like open to committee where everyone’s like ‘well I think you should do this!” And you just have to be like: This is the ending and that’s the ending."
5 deaths in the original by BitterMan23	Jul 2nd, 2007 12:32:32 PM
Judith, random mechanic, Annie, Bob, Lynda.
He also bemoaned the fact that you can buy a Myers toy by BitterMan23	Jul 2nd, 2007 12:37:41 PM
that played the Halloween theme. And yet: "From the highly anticipated re-make or re-imagining of the original Halloween comes Rob Zombie's take on everyone's favorite white masked serial killer. Michael Myers stands over 18-inches tall and is incredibly detailed to match his new film look. The figure includes 2 knives and a motion activated sensor triggers the Halloween theme to play."
Has anyone actually confirmed this report? by Jak0lantern01	Jul 2nd, 2007 01:06:29 PM
6 new deaths and a new ending? I dunno, it sounds......extreme. It could very well be true, though, even if I can't comprehend where 6 additional deaths could fit into this movie. I would think maybe during his escape there's a massacre, but then that would take away from the notion that it's not proven he's a threat so why should the police believe Loomis' rantings. I'll believe it when it's confirmed. As for the toys, Rob Zombie doesn't license them, the studio probably does. ZOmbie was just bemoaning the toys over the fact that Myers wasn't scary anymore.
It will sucks, period by stamper	Jul 2nd, 2007 01:38:47 PM
Rob Zombie ? The original HALLOWEEN was like a Stooges album, minimal, intense, subtle, effective and a seminal classic. This new version will be like Rob Zombie's fucking music and cinema: overblown, bombastic, obvious, commercial, shrewd and aching to be a classic, but will ultimately end up in second hand stores until the dawn of time.
Sure, an increased body count will improve the movie by thegreatwhatzit	Jul 2nd, 2007 01:39:38 PM
And don't forget the footage that will be appended to the final credit crawl: "Hi, this is Rob Zombie. My movies have tanked at the boxoffice so if you thought my HALLOWEEN sucked, don't say nothin' to nobody, okay? C'mon, my wife--the new Nancy Allen--and Sig Haig need work...please! And now here's my mother with a few words..."
PS They should have made Michael a woman by stamper	Jul 2nd, 2007 01:43:08 PM
This time. A woman killing men. Now, this would have been more interesting than Rob Zombie on coke with a big mac in his hand and fries in the other. Or Glenn Danzig selling his shit comics.
His name is on the new toy by BitterMan23	Jul 2nd, 2007 01:44:26 PM
If he had such a problem with it, he could say they couldn't use his name. Fact of the matter is, for all his posturing, this is going to end up being another Dimension sequel like all the others, no different or better.
I enjoy Mr. Zombie's music a by Automaton Overlord	Jul 2nd, 2007 04:43:48 PM
I enjoy Mr. Zombie's music a great deal, but his first two movies were AWFUL! and I love horror.
904th!! by allyousay	Jul 2nd, 2007 05:40:31 PM
WOW...this is crazy.
I'd take a Rob Zombie film over an Eli Roth one anyday by Monkey_King	Jul 2nd, 2007 05:40:55 PM
HOSTEL 2 was a waste and not much inspiring(save for wannabes like TURISTAS) than the first shockfest.
BanannaHammock...The reason by Quake II	Jul 2nd, 2007 05:49:47 PM
these remakes tarnish the originals is because NOW you have to explain WHICH Halloween you love. I'm tired of having to tell someone "I love The Fog". And they respond, "Really? I thought that movie kinda sucked". And then I say.."I'm talking about the original Fog" etc. This happenes a lot more now that movies I grew up with are being remade only 15-20 years later. And being remade WORSE. The new Dawn Of The Dead worked and that's about it. When someone asks which "Dawn" I liked, I just say "Both".
Six deaths by MaryTylerMorbid	Jul 2nd, 2007 06:59:25 PM
Hopefully, one of the six new death scenes will be a behind-the-scenes outtake of some pissed-off Halloween fanboy squeezing off a .357 Magnum round in Rom Zombie's harried face.
America Is So Fucked Up... by The Ender Smites Foes	Jul 2nd, 2007 08:33:13 PM
I love living here but god damn we have fucking problems. Yeah I'll be seeing this....we are so fucked.
ENOUGH! ENOUGH! by jamazio	Jul 2nd, 2007 10:23:32 PM
Enough of it!!! No robert the zombie!! NO PLEASE!!!!
Zombie making movies is good news to me by Subovon	Jul 2nd, 2007 11:09:43 PM
Moriarty said he didn't think the script to Zombie's HALLOWEEN was very inspiring. I think that would have been my reaction after reading the script to the original. It's the execution that is so memorable in that one, not so much the script. I'm looking forward to the unsecured DVD. I thought HOUSE OF A 1000 CORPSES had some great moments, but the script for that one was a ... well, I don't cuss on holidays.
Suggestion Box by Subovon	Jul 2nd, 2007 11:11:51 PM
Why can't a place like the Alamo Drafthouse get their hands on an unrated director's cut of a film when it comes out in theaters? I'd be among the people to line up to go see these movies on opening night, if they were showing the imminent DVD release version.
People bitch and whine and spit about this by hktelemacher	Jul 2nd, 2007 11:14:30 PM
but another Halloween movie was GOING to happen, Rob Zombie or not. I'd much rather see the guy who made the badass Devil's Rejects attack the material instead of another H20 or Resurrection aborting it's way into theaters. I'd much rather see Brad Dourif than Busta Rhymes. I hope people aren't expecting any significant likeness to the original (who knew it had so many angry fans? you'd think it was a good movie) because it's clearly going to be a big, messy exploitation movie. And if you can't shelve your attachment to the original and grow up past this belief that somehow Michael Myers is still scary in any way, Shape or form -- you're just a big ol' matryr. If you know it's going to suck, or if you're hoping for the best but expecting the worst - don't fucking bother or waste your breath. I have no idea where the fanatacism for the original suddenly stems from, because until the remake was announced people were relatively mum about how ground-breaking (it isn't) and classic (I'll give it that) Carpenter's was. As if a remake is going to do anywhere near as much damage to it's grace as the lethargic scare-by-numbers sequels have. If Zombie shows even half the progress he seemed to have made between HO1KC and Rejects we're in for something good. How does this cast not excite people? Are you that attached to this idea that it shouldn't deviate one iota from the original if it has to be made at all? It's got Sybil Danning for Christ's sake -- Udo Kier, Clint Howard, etc. It's too bad this one will never be given a fair shot. But hey, it must suck because they're doing reshoots. Nothing good has ever had to reshoots. Ever. If they don't nail it 100 % in principle photography, they ain't gonna nail it.
Sheesh by Ice9	Jul 3rd, 2007 03:22:10 AM
Reshoots last weekend at an abandoned Caltrans house in South Pasadena across from where I live. The final scene they shot involved Mikey, played by a Gigantor stunt man, grabbing the girlie and crashing through a 2nd floor balcony railing. The busting through went OK, but the fall didn't and the female stunt woman had to leave the set via stretcher. Only one take, and then they wrapped it. Bad omen?
FIRST!! by TheRedRightHand	Jul 3rd, 2007 04:54:51 AM
....ah shit
Story by malpaso	Jul 3rd, 2007 07:48:52 AM
That's not important. More mindless gore? That's the ticket Rob. Zzzzzzzzzzz.
How many times must it be said (Hank Hawk)... by Cellar Door	Jul 3rd, 2007 08:58:22 AM
Carpenter's version of the Thing was NOT a re-imagining or expansion in any way from the Hawk's version. The movie is from an adaptation of the John Campbell story "Who goes there?" (sweet title) and if you read the story...it is Carpenter's version that is infinitely more true to the story than Hawk's. The whole premise of trust is not even explored in the '51 version as it is in Carpenter's film AND the original story. To me, Carpenter's "The Thing" is similar in name and locale only, all else is purely Campbell. Not tryin' to troll you here or anything...I'm a big original Halloween fan as well as old school Carpenter fan and I hope Zombie pulls it off but I don't think it's fair to use Hawk's film as the definitive version of Campbell's story when it isn't (the 'Thing' is a vegetable?!?!?!). All that said...I think Zombie is too self-aware in his films tho admittedly I haven't seen either all the way thru. My take is Halloween just doesn't need a remake at all. Let Zombie continue with purely original stuff and as he evolves as a director, I believe he will give us greatness.
I agree Cellar Door by TORTURE PWN1	Jul 3rd, 2007 11:37:16 AM
The only reasons people use THE THING is that a) They don't know any better, or b) It's the only thing they can think of to justify another shitty remake.Carpenter himself even denies it's a remake.There's a big difference between a remake & adaptation.If there's any confusion about those terms...look 'em up in your Funk & Wagnalls.
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Do you people fucking get it now? by TheTerminator	Jul 3rd, 2007 11:50:35 AM
THE THING WAS NOT A FUCKING REMAKE, IT WAS AN ADAPTATION OF A FUCKING STORY. IT WASN'T A REMAKE OF A FILM. Some people are just SO stupid. And, Rob Zombie's an asshole. His remake is going to suck.
You make a good point TheTerminator... by Cellar Door	Jul 3rd, 2007 12:07:33 PM
Very good point indeed. I'll have to consider that point in my various extreme moments of extreme pondering. Oh and don't forget...the real "Thing" was not a vegetable. Not a plant. Nope. Not a brocolli. Not even a squash. Nope, not a plant at all.
Sid Haig as the Doctor woulda been sweet by Stuntcock Mike	Jul 3rd, 2007 01:06:03 PM
For the love of Fuck's Sake, keep Sherrie(Dingbat) Moon Zombie outta our sight for once.
'Thing' not a remake?! by Sigmar25	Jul 3rd, 2007 01:16:42 PM
There's no way Rob Zombie directed The Thing... he would have been way too old
hktelemacher by TVguy4566	Jul 3rd, 2007 02:36:31 PM
How can you say Halloween wasn't ground breaking? It isn't today because there has been thousands of movies that followed that copied that movie to death. But with out that movie and a few others, there would never have been the entire slasher movie genre (for better or worse). As for the cast, adding a bunch of B movie (Z movies in some cases) and slasher film stars of the 70s, 80s, and 90s has been done before. There is a reason you haven't seen actors like Clint Howard, Udo Kier, William Forsythe, Sybil Danning, Dee Wallace, Adriane Barbeau, and Mickey Dolenz (yes the friggin Monkee) in many movies lately. No one cares about these people. If you are juiced to see a bunch of washed up actors who can't even get top billing in a fanboy horror convention, more power to you. Sybil Danning hasn't been in anything interesting other than Grindhouse since Amazon Women on the Moon back in the 80s. I liked the Devil's Rejects, but I wasn't jumping all up and down when a overweight and aged PJ Soles appeared on camera and I have a far more affinity to PJ than Sybil Danning. Actually it was depressing to see one of the hotter cult movie stars of the 70's and 80's looking like my Aunt Phyllis.
I would prefer Halloween 17 to this by stamper	Jul 3rd, 2007 05:01:51 PM
Rob Zombie is just a hollywood whore, like Danzig and all this NU METAL friends.
stamper, the difference is by Daddylonghead	Jul 3rd, 2007 08:05:44 PM
Danzig is an amazing musician who does cheezy side projects. "Zombie" is a cheezy musician who does retarded side projects.
Killer Klowns from Outer Space remake! by Jakes Nel	Jul 4th, 2007 07:56:10 AM
Directed by Robert Rodriguez! As long as they keep that brilliant tagline.
Well, TVguy4566 by hktelemacher	Jul 4th, 2007 02:19:20 PM
maybe you should watch more movies and less TV because there were slashers before John Carpenter made Halloween. Did Halloween's success open the floodgates for the market oversaturation of slashers? Sure. But Halloween was predated by stuff like Blood and Black Lace and I think Carpenter owes Dario Argento and Goblin some money for ripping off their score to Suspiria. Carpenter didn't invent the slasher genre. Halloween was good but it was hardly anything new. As for the cast -- if you're not excited to see those people you have no real business going to the movie and you're gonna hate it. What would you prefer? Some grizzled, quirky vets who don't get any play these days - or fucking Tom Welling and Maggie Grace like in the Fog remake? A bunch of cardboard cut out television stars or Udo Kier? Tough decision, I know. But I'm excited about seeing some of those actors, even if I can't jerk off in the theater to Sybil Danning. Now Clint Howard on the other hand .... like a fine cheese.
So let me get this straight? by hktelemacher	Jul 4th, 2007 02:22:07 PM
The Thing was a remake and not an adaptation, right?

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