Ain't It Cool News: The best in movie, TV, DVD, and comic book news.

AICN Games: Monki's Weekly Wrap-Up! Doritos! Mario! Manhunt 2 ramblings and Nicole Kidman!

Dare I say....... by Borgnine JR	Jun 26th, 2007 09:07:41 AM
...........FIRST!!!!
What about Chris Benoit!?! by Forrest75	Jun 26th, 2007 09:17:18 AM
Although I hate wrestling.
Pipking... by BohemianMac	Jun 26th, 2007 09:17:23 AM
"There are some people that are just...lost. Wrong. Troubled." How stupid can you be to believe something that ignorant? Fucking moron.
From what I heard by kilik777	Jun 26th, 2007 09:38:11 AM
I heard Manhunt 1 was a lot more violent and worse, and the few people who have seen the finished version of part 2 have come back disappointed it wasnt more violent like they heard. So if it gets watered down anymore then they might as well call it Super Mario Bros presents Manhunt 2. http://tinyurl.com/pv8do
Except.. by GlenyD	Jun 26th, 2007 09:39:38 AM
...Britain didn't ban Clockwork Orange at all, Kubrick did. He was worried himself after a tramp was killed in an apparent "Copy-cat" incident the BBFC has nowt to do with it. I'm well pissed off about Manhunt 2 being banned - I was looking forward to it. It looks sweet. Hahahaha; I hate the censors and lobbying Bible-Belt twits, and the BBFC. Recently they've totally loosened up their censorious ways, but it looks like we're going back to the good old days of video nasties etc. Probably a result of Britain's overcrowded prison system etc etc. Political factors are at work. Bunch of Arse.:-(
Good article this week by godzillasushi	Jun 26th, 2007 09:51:15 AM
That's it, it was really good this time.
Transformer trailer nearly had me peeing my pants by howaboutanicecupofgofuckyourself	Jun 26th, 2007 11:07:59 AM
tasty
Bohemian Mac by blackwood	Jun 26th, 2007 11:12:25 AM
Why is that statement ignorant? (I am pipking, btw). Dialogue with me.
CMON HALO 3 by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell	Jun 26th, 2007 11:49:23 AM
BRING IT ON
D.Vader by dogstar69	Jun 26th, 2007 12:01:12 PM
Britain is actually a lot more lenient now, censorshipwise. Very few films if any, are edited for content, unlike in the states where a film is edited to avoid an NC17 rating, where in Britain the 18 certificate is not frowned upon, film's have a lot more options, Episode 2 would have went out a 12A certificate, which is along the lines of PG13, but the DISTRIBUTER, not the BBFC edited it to get a PG on the suggestion of the BBFC. The BBFC do not force edits on films anymore, those days are long gone, they offer a certificate and give the releasing company the option. That is why most DVD's that are advertised as "to shocking for the cinemas!!" in the states are the versions which play in theatres over here.
Fuck censorship. by Motoko Kusanagi	Jun 26th, 2007 12:16:44 PM
Really. Adults should be able to play what they want.
The government is not my parent! by indyjonez100	Jun 26th, 2007 12:48:47 PM
If they can sell the unrated version of a DVD at Blockbuster or Target or wherever then they should be able to sell this Manhunt 2 game in two versions. One edited and the other unedited. That would end it right there. But the fact that people can "pretend" to be a murderer scares people too much.
Pipking... by BohemianMac	Jun 26th, 2007 12:59:44 PM
You seemed to be as implying that people are just born that way, and seem to ignore that a game such as this COULD induce violence.
Manhunt 2 is no loss by Lost Prophet	Jun 26th, 2007 01:21:56 PM
I thought Manhunt 1 was sort of shit. Manhunt 2 was always going to be in trouble after those kids blamed the first game for their killings. I like the fact that an 18 certificate is almost a good thing in the UK. I do not want to watch family films, or play games that are aimed at the pre-teen market. If I want to see sex, drugs and violence then I should be able to- and if a film/ game is 18 then I should expect to see this. I do hate the BBFC though, despite recent signs of leniency, but I am glad they exist as the thought of seeing children in the audience for proper 18 films makes me want to slap the shitty parent that took them
indyjonez100 by Monki	Jun 26th, 2007 01:23:23 PM
Unfortunately every game that ends up on a console has to go through the company that owns that console. Therefore Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft are the gatekeepers for their respective systems. If they say no AO titles then that is it...same goes with unrated games. Just won't happen.
An AO rating isn't censorship... by Johnno	Jun 26th, 2007 01:27:51 PM
And frankly I can believe and agree that Manhunt deserves an AO rating... It's a game made for adults... therefore it makes sense that it gets an AO. If you want to blame anyone, blame stores who refuse to carry it or Nintendo and Sony for not allowing it on their system. And frankly I could understand... AO games and other AO movies and material isn't family friendly stuff and doesn't sell well in your local supermarket. Why would they carry it? There are however certain places and online that will cater to you. Nintendo is a family oriented company since long before the Wii, the majority of people are family players on the Wii, and Nintendo wants to keep its sales up without any controversy butting in and fuckign all that up. Sony has no excuse, but with the whole Resistence and Church of England violence thing I doubt they'd want to get into that territory anytime soon. If Rockstar waters down the game to M then it should be fine. And on another note, even if this sequel is supposedly less violent than its predecessor, the fact that the Wiimote lets you more physically simulate the act of killing is enough to push it over the top. I'm not saying to ban the game, but even that's gotta disturb you just a little...
FUCK THIS SHIT by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell	Jun 26th, 2007 01:42:11 PM
WE CANT PLAY ADULT RATED GAMES BUT RATED FUCKING R MOVIES WITH CUSSING TITS ASS DICK BLOOD HEADS GETTING BLOWN UP AND GUTS EVERYWHERE CAN BE RELEASED AND ADVERSTIED ALL OVER TV AND RELEASED IN THEATERS. FUCK THIS SHIT.
AND DONT FUCKING TRY TO CONTROL WHAT I PLAY by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell	Jun 26th, 2007 01:43:49 PM
IF IM BUYING YOUR FUCKING SYSTEMS FAGS. IM SO PISSED RIGHT NOW.
As far as comparisons to films... by Johnno	Jun 26th, 2007 01:58:04 PM
It's stupid to compare them. In films the actions of the viewer are passive and the director controls what you see, often cutting away at the right moment and leaving stuff up to your imagination. In games you the player are active in such roles and control the camera to see whatever you want to see however much you want to see it. They're completely separate things and can't be rated the same way. If a film went all out and showed you every freaking thing in digusting detail and hardcore sex that pushes the limits of the rating... guess what? It gets an AO or NC-17... theatres will refuse to play it and yes some films are even banned! There are still games with violence and dismemberment(Mortal Kombat) and ones with nudity and sex (God of War, GTA:San Andreas) that pull off these things and manage to keep an M rating. No reason Manhunt couldn't meet the same standards, btu then of course the game will have to be toned down. If you don't want that and you want all the visceral uncensored glory, then the game will no doubt be one that deserves an AO. So blaming the ESRB or making comparisons to films is pointless, the game deserves it rating and I doubt anyone will disagree on that. What you are arguing for is to give it a pass so it can be sold widely... you might as well argue to make porno rated R so it can be sold in major retailers. Won't happen. If you want the game petition Nintendo and Sony and Microsoft too as they're also taking that stance on similar content and ask for the game to be allowed on their system. Then pick it up online or from a suitable games vendor. Don't expect it in Toys 'R' Us.
So what's the difference... by Vadakin	Jun 26th, 2007 02:04:05 PM
between being 17 and 18 years old? Because that's what we're talking about here. The game has been outright banned in Ireland, and I can't remember the last time a game was banned here. Why doesn't Halo get banned? Because you're killing aliens? Well in that case people, don't let your kids dress up as aliens for Halloween because some guy might think it's ok to shoot your kid because he looks alien. It is absolutely ridiculous...there is no link between video games and real life violence...these stuck up PTA bitches who probably spent their own younger years getting stoned and fucking everything that moved want a world of bunnies and flowers. In fact, I would suggest that having violent video games is a good thing because it would give those with aggressive tendencies to take out that aggression on virtual characters instead of real people. If Manhunt 2 is banned (or receives AO rating) then everything has to be banned...the works of Shakespeare have to be banned...afterall Romeo and Juliet supports underage sex (Juliet was 14) and suicide, and it's violent as well. The new Die Hard pussied out and went for a lower rating...well it sti.ll has to be banned because it might encourage people to become cyber terrorists or shave their head and start shooting bad guys. Mary Poppins has to be banned because it supports obesity in children (a spoon full of sugar...) Alice in Wonderland...for obvious drug related reasons. Pokemon supports hunting, Sonic the Hedgehog supports jumping on TVs and breaking them, Mario supports eating Magic Mushrooms, Tetris supports communism... Where's the line...if Manhunt is censored or banned then it has to apply to everything else as well. And regarding Manhunt 2...only the Wii version has the physical simulation aspect so why are the other console versions suffering too? As for Nintendo...I don't buy the whole kid-friendly excuse. They spent the entire life of the gamecube trying to convince people that it wasnt just for kids, with games like Resident Evil. Will we never get a Star Wars lightsaber game on the Wii then becuase it would involve trying to simulate fighting and killing with a sword? I have no interest in Manhunt whatsoever, but this issue goes far beyond a single game. If kids are going to be playing the game, lock up the parents and shut down stores who sell the game to someone who's underage. Off-licences and bars get fined or shut down when they sell drink to those who are underage, so make it the same for video games and movies.
THE COMPARISON TO FILMS IS FINE! by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell	Jun 26th, 2007 02:04:57 PM
did you see the rambo preview?
why a AO game on a console? by datachasm	Jun 26th, 2007 02:10:03 PM
everyone knows adults play on PC... so i think Rockstar is clearly pandering to the teen crowd with a violent game on the kid/teen system that hype will dictate "they have to play". then if their parents even know wtf the game is... they are screwed either way, kids damn them for not providing it, society damns them if they do. its stranger yet that the latest consoles cost so much sweet moolah that its a crime... after all, consoles are toy systems for kids, right? every other PC game coming out is "dumbed down" so it can port to the stupid consoles. i would love to have a Wii and Tiger Woods, other than that i hate consoles, thanks.
datachasm...you are so wrong by SpookyOtaku	Jun 26th, 2007 02:25:54 PM
Gamers as stated in the article are not just kids, I know more adult gamers than kid gamers with Xbox360's and PS3's (not to mention Wii's). Why do you generalize that adults only play on PC's...I'm close to 40 and play the Wii and PS2 much more frequently than I use my PC for gaming (and I am not in the minority amongst the gamers I know). There is a petition on-line to get Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo to lift the ban on AO content on their respective consoles located at: http://www.petitiononline.com/ 4manhunt/petition.html mind you the petition is to have Manhunt2 playable on the PS2 and Wii with the AO rating intact, I could care less about the game...but about the right to choose what is and is not acceptable to me I care a great deal.
I'd like to show Nicole Kidman my rock... by Osmosis Jones	Jun 26th, 2007 02:32:31 PM
...hard cock. 40 YEARS OLD last week?! Christ...
Another Manhunt? Lazy bastards.......... by Yoda's Ball Sack	Jun 26th, 2007 02:34:37 PM
The first one sucked ass. I'd rather have another Killzone game.
Bohemian Mac by blackwood	Jun 26th, 2007 03:32:35 PM
I'm not going to argue that exposure to simulated violence won't push someone over the edge - but I don't think it 'creates' violent tendencies. It may inspire someone already close to the edge to go all the way... but the same can (and has been) said of film - do we need our content censored to account for the few crazies who can't handle it? Because the crazies can't really handle anything, by way of their being crazy. I don't think human monsters are always born - but there a few - there are a lot of steps to becoming a psychopath, and I don't believe any of them have to do with videogames - or film, or books, or music - as a determining factor.
Average gamer is 30 years old... by Zardoz	Jun 26th, 2007 04:34:01 PM
at least that's what the Discovery Channel said on their gaming show. I hope GTA4 is violent as all fuck! Screw censorship! (and screw Nicole Kidman, too! Me first!)
Thats fine blackwood... by BohemianMac	Jun 26th, 2007 07:40:50 PM
And sorry for being so rude.
GAMERS ARE NOT ONLY KIDS RETARD by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell	Jun 26th, 2007 08:33:37 PM
the average game player is 29 and the average buyer is 36.
Vadakin and supercowbell by Johnno	Jun 26th, 2007 08:37:44 PM
So what's the difference between 17 and 18 years old? Okay let's reduce the rating and make the game for 17 year olds too... oh wait... what's the difference between a 17 year old and a 16 year old? Just a year right? Oh wait, so if they can then how about 15 years old? What's the difference between a 21 year old and a 20 year old? Or even 19 for that matter since we're pandering that far? Let's give them a liquor licence... What's the youngest age of girl I can have sex with? What if she's a year or a year and a half lower than the acceptable legal age, okay give me 2, I'd like to get it down to 12 depending on your country's laws. You see where I'm going? Cut-offs have to start somewhere! And I'm not vying for teh game to get banned, however I'd say it does certainly deserve an AO rating. And frankly some shit ought to be banned. I'm not saying its manhunt... but if I made a game called nigger-hunt and still made the playable character a guy who's disturbed by what he's doing but is forced to do it anyway I bet we're entering whole new territory here, huh? What about hentai sex simulation games... There's those and I can be daring and make a playground child stalking game. There's adult entertainment, and then there's just the borderline ridiculous... Some shit just shouldn't be encouraged even if it is an imaginary world catering to certain adults. Again I'm not saying this is true about Manhunt... but let's be a bit more considering about the situation without resorting to some false idea that all censorship is bad. And as for Rambo? Did you read what I outlined about the difference between film and games in terms of who controls what and how much you see cowbell? If even Rambo begins taking things too far... guess what?
if it were true... by datachasm	Jun 26th, 2007 10:41:26 PM
that the crowd Sony and others believe are playing their console were 30+, they would not have an issue putting out an AO title. i never said only kids game, 30 years is the average age for a gamer (yes, the Atari 2600 generation), so dont try saying otherwise douche bags. what i am saying is that PC is more for adults as a gaming platform than any console game. PC you are not gonna see publishers cock block a game because its AO, lol. now look whats happened? GTA4 is doomed...
You can still die for your country before you can drink by ThePilgrim	Jun 26th, 2007 10:52:49 PM
You can also legally engage in consensual sex in some countries before you can legally buy pornographic material. Lets face it folks the world is fucked up. If AO means XXX, then so be it, but by all rights the creators of the game should still have the right to produce and sell said title. Regardless of rating it's just about how and it could be online purchase only with age verifying consent form or something. Thank god this game had killing in it and not sex because fuck is worse than kill. We kill lots of shit in graphic detail in mainstream movies but we dont fuck too clearly.
Pac-Man CE by zombieslayer	Jun 27th, 2007 12:05:55 AM
I can't stop. I don't see a score for you yet, Monki...
zombieslayer by Monki	Jun 27th, 2007 01:06:40 AM
Haven't picked it up yet zombie...but I dare you to beat my score on Trogdor in Guitar Hero 2.
Still waiting for that Snake Plissken game from NAMCO.. by Monkey_King	Jun 27th, 2007 04:01:23 AM
Where is it already?
Anybody playing Transformers yet? by Boondock Devil	Jun 27th, 2007 07:11:23 AM
I'm dying to hear how it plays. The videos of seen so far look fantastic but I'm afraid of how good the gameplay really is for it.
Who the fuck are we kidding..... by pepperman	Jun 27th, 2007 08:12:27 AM
Rock Star never made Manhunt 2 for adults! What grown up would want to play a game which general premise is to go around killing people! For sure back when we were all spotting teenagers, we use to get our kicks from pulling off violent moves on Killer Instinct and Mortgage Kombat on the snes or Mega drive, but now we can actually get our end away we don't need to pretend to kill! Fact is, Rockstars target market for this game are kids! Now I am totally against banning any thing of artistic merit, but you have to ask why produce a game of this nature! Games, films, books, music don't kill anyone! If this was the case then Japans( Home of video games) homicide numbers would be off the chart and no one will be left alive to produce games anyway! So don't pass the buck on violence of the world on these forms of entertainment, but do ask why make it in the first place! " Blame Canada, before someone thinks about blaming us!"
Regarding the Dove Foundation... by GrantChastain	Jun 27th, 2007 10:35:28 AM
......you should never agree to participate in a survey if you feel the questions aren't presented in an unbiased light. The truth is the Dove Foundation is probably one of these groups that will ask seemingly innocuous questions like, "Do you agree that videogames rated AO should not be allowed to be sold in places where children could buy them?" Well, of course you don't. Nobody does. They will then turn around and present their "findings" as "89% surveyed agree that Manhunt 2 should be removed from store shelves." There's no question that nearly every survey is designed to favor one side or the other, but a parent's group surveying you on video game usage is dangerously bad for anybody that wants the freedom to choose.
knowthyself by SpookyOtaku	Jun 27th, 2007 01:03:05 PM
On the point about Nintendo and Sony refusing to publish AO games, i couldn't agree more. On this costing Rockstar and Take Two tons of cash, I don't think so...I'm willing to bet what was submitted to the ESRB was submitted expecting an AO...they've already made the M rated version but need a bit of time to finish...it's called hype, game can now be delayed for further polish and no one blames Rockstar...they release the game as intended with an M rating, it sells incredibly well for a piece of crap because of the AO hype...end of story. I do not know dfor a fact this is what they did, but I'd put money on it being the case. I'm still bothered by the gov't and corporations telling me what is/is not acceptable for personal entertainment.
IFC Assasins Creed Short Film Contest by EdRyder	Jun 27th, 2007 04:49:32 PM
http://tinyurl.com/yt838p
Yeah, this is hardly a new issue... by DanielKurland	Jun 27th, 2007 05:23:04 PM
I, personally, don't think video games create killers, and I think it's just easy to blame those as causes for massacres. Yes, there are correlations and connections, but it just makes sense that someone interested in actually killing people, would play a game that resembles it. I highly doubt that playing the game entirely created this idea to them. That being said, I do think this AO thing is partly hype, as it has me interested in a game that I wouldn't have given a second glance before. And I guess it makes sense that Sony and Nintendo want to cover themselves, but it's still pretty ridiculous. It is pretty much agreed upon that gamers are adults, and when you see how many games revolve around killing things, and hoe POPULAR these games are, for one to go a little further, and then get completely shunned does seem a little unreasonable.
hope a kid explodes playing gears of war in diehard4 by Orionsangels	Jun 27th, 2007 08:38:55 PM
oh wait that did happen. spoiler alert!
+1 Monkey King by WM6929	Jun 28th, 2007 03:32:50 AM
Where in the Hell is Snake Plissken?

Talkbacks

AICN Games: Monki's Weekly Wrap-Up! Doritos! Mario! Manhunt 2 ramblings and Nicole Kidman!

User login

Quick Talkback

Talkbacks