Seriously - why in fuck's name is there such a delay between the US and UK releases? Is there any logical, sensible or even STATED reason for this?

So, again, FUCK YOU PARAMOUNT!

(In all seriousness, I would love to know if there's any excuse for this sort of thing nowadays. It surely can't be to do with rating or anything like that.)

Apaarently I WAS asking for too much when I said there should be a good script. Well, shame on me. SHAME!

There is something wrong here. I don't know what it is. It might be the stench of lowered expectations...or the sweet refreshing scent of take what you can get. Those things are the things that bother me. It is like the TBers at AICN have just given up. We the "rabid ferrets in a sack" are letting a movie pass on some flimsy shit.

You think Bay can make a cut where he just cuts out the 80% of the movie that sucks (All the positive reviews say so) and features the cool robots killing each other? Doubt it. I could be out of the theatre in a half hour...

So enjoy your generic mindless, indecipherable ass kicking robot, retarded joke-making, no plot summer popcorn flick.

DVD Release date: estimated November 12th.
On Piratebay: November 1st.
On my home theater: November 1st.

From Fox Searchlight Pictures comes a new thriller directed by Sidney Lumet...Tim Robbins plays a mild-mannered film projectionist who mistakenly stumbles upon a secret cabal of shadowy men in dark rooms...what dangers lie ahead for this man who claims his innocence?

See it.

THE MEMFLIX EFFECT.

Rated PG13 for strong langage and confusing Talkback logic.

Why can't any of these reviewers follow the plot? No one knows what's going on, but they all love how loud and pretty it is..... Lowest. Common. Denominator.

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Today, you have entire conventions based solely on Transformers. You have Generation 1 purists, Beast Wars fans, and general fans that enjoy the nostalgia, but are not militant in defining Prime as only a cab-over-engine.

Add to that the modern generation of kids, and you have a huge fanbase that knows every intimate detail of each incarnation of the characters.

But they will recognize Spidey if shown a pic. Same thing with Transformers. Ask them details on the cartoons, they'll look at you oddly. Show them a pic of Optimus Prime, and 99% will beam a smile and say "that's the leader from that cartoon I used to watch as a kid!" The nostalgia is there. The fanbase is there. Question is: is Michael Bay there?

I worked at Best Buy when Jurassic Park: Lost World came out. Tons of people were coming in asking for the pocket-sized JVC camcorder used in the movie, even tho it was only seen in one shot.

Monty 16 I am one of the few not paying to see this. I will never see this just like X3, SR, SM3, GR, FF, FF2, DD, etc. etc. And it won't make a difference at all. I still love the property and still love talking about it.

The cartoons were just cartoons; TF's stablemates were CareBears and My Little Pony. Is some frothing-at-the-mouth G1 wanker going to try and tell me that either of those cartoons was the deeply moving and involving experience they seem to think the TF's cartoon was? No, didn't fucking think so. TF's, CareBears and My Little Pony cartoons were there to sell toys. Shit bust.

This film is here to make money, kick arse and entertain. Not one reviewer has come away from this film less than entertained. Now, I don't know about you, but that's all I want from a film when I hand over my money.

Stop trying to kid yourselves and others that the TF's cartoon was fucking high-brow, intricately plotted, serious programming for kids, because it wasn't. It was a badly-animated, silly, derivative extended toy commericial.

Now, 'haters' - fuck off, and close the door behind you. Your time is over.

"Whoever actually expected a densely plotted and richly characterised film based on a fucking 80's kid's cartoon just needs a slap."

Seriously? Because we expect a quality movie, we are assholes. Jesus christ man. God forbid someone hope for something other than shit. If you wanna live in lowered - expectationville be my guest. If you wanna shut off and watch the boom boom, go right ahead BUT don't ridicule me for asking for a quality product.

I'll be honest and say I have never read TF comics, but Bay's film was supposed to be based on the cartoon wasn't it? Did the comic have robots with beards and pink lady robots too?

load of inpenetrable claptrap with synth rock souncrap!

What?! Are you taking the piss?! For MONTHS now, ordinary film-geeks like myself have had to put up with fucking miserable fan-boys whining about flames on Michael Bay, lips on Megatron's vagina and all other sorts of inconsequential crap - in addition to judging the film before they have seen it, and acting like superior, sophisticated, smug intelligentsia. Wankers jumping on ANYONE who seemed even remotely optimistic about this film. Now the good reviews are coming in, and YOU'RE talking about desperation? All you sour-faced fucking 'haters' are fucking squirming and grasping at straws now that 3 people have reviewed it and no-one has come away less than entertained, and you're talking about desperation?

Face it Superninja, you and your fellow 'haters' have been shown up for the miserable, pedantic and childish stick-in-the-muds you are. You've talked yourselves into corners and are unsure about how to get out without losing face.

Don't watch this film if you like being entertained - stay in and watch an arty black & white, subtitled French film instead if you wish to make yourself feel intelligent and superior. Don't bandy terms like 'desperate' around in a last ditch attempt to try and remain aloof and superior, you hypocrite.

As far as FF goes - couldn't care less. And it wouldn't matter if Wolverine wore a pink costume covered in flashing lights; when you're THAT hard and can heal yourself, there's not much need for sneaking up on ANYONE.

Go back and have a look at some of the TF TB's; plenty of people have been savaged by 'haters' and fan-boys for showing ANY enthusiasm for this film.

Answer me this - how would you have reacted if they had quite literally given you a G1 Tf film? Boxy designs, robotic beards, pink female robots, shitty 'morphing' tranformations which don't match the mass & size of the robots - no, wait - don't tell me; you'd have loved it. Of course. It wouldn't have looked at all stupid...

Transforme rs was a 30 weekly 30 minute commercial. DId you figure that out all by yourself? The writers have been interviewed since then and their response? "People say that but we had barely any contact with Hasbro, we were just trying to write interesting stories." Is that really such a surprise? What movie isn't a commercial for something?

I have prejudged MANY films, but have been sensible enough to keep my opinions to myself. Plus I've never assumed an air of superiority over those who don't agree with my opinions.

The POSITIVE reviews call the story stupid, pointless and ridiculous.

As for your comments back to me. To give a movie a pass based on genre is unfair. Like all sci-fi action movies have to have bad stories? Like Indiana Jones, Star Wars, Matrix, LOTR, Spiderman 1 & 2...etc. They all had bad stories right? I am not expecting a fucking bill shakespeare but I can require compotent storytelling right?

If you want to truly measure the Starwars movies, you have to exclude IV and V, because those Lucas did not have complete control over. He had producers that knew how to make a good movie, and with V, he had a director who knows how to handle actors. Episodes I, II, III, and VI are the true measure of George Lucas and his world... fart jokes, cutesy teddybears, and lousy acting.

Transformers at the very least could match up favorably to George Lucas

It all boils down to expectation. If you're going in expecting Oscar-worthy drama and characterisation, then clearly you're an idiot and are BOUND to be disappointed.

This movies disgrace of Optimus Prime will NEVER replace the REAL Optimus Prime. .G1 rules, this Michael Bay missed the mark. WHy did he even make the movie at all? He said it himself he was not a fan. He still isn't.

Second, I am not holding it up to G1. I never said that, go find the quote where I made that argument. I'm not saying "emulate the cartoon" in fact I'm saying ELEVATE the cartoon. But you don't read before you react, it seems.

And if you really knew what I've been saying all along, it is this-- if the movie somehow turns out great, I will be thrilled beyond belief. I want this movie to be amazing. I've wanted this movie to be made since I was a little kid. But guess what, just because I want something doesn't mean it's going to happen, particularly with the material I've seen connected to this film. If it's amazing, I will be relieved and I will gladly eat my words. Is that clear enough for you, or do I need to keep on repeating myself?

I have never tried to make excuses for this film, but neither have I tried to prejudge it. If it's shit, then so be it. I have no emotional investment in it whatsoever. I just want entertaining. The cartoons couldn't do it - this looks on track to do so.

By the way 'cartton' = cartOON...

Bay does only one thing well, and that is action scenes. Bay with a bad script with medicore characterization and stereotypes is not likely to be a good movie. It may have some good action sequences, but that is not enough.

In the G1 cartoon, the TF's come to Earth looking for a crazy mcguffin cube of some sort, which both sides want.

In Bay's film, the TF's come to Earth looking for a crazy mcguffin cube of some sort, which both sides want.

In terms of effects, well I don't even have to point out the difference between the poor animation and design of the 80's cartoon, and ILM's incredible designs. Or are you going to go all 'flames on batman's nipples' on me?

And obviously the SW PT, which I DID have an emotional investment in.

These are overdesigned. They are ugly. They look unapproachable. It was done that way on purpose. Further, they are reverse-engineered which is idiotic because they are aliens, not created by humans it doesn't even make sense.

Is that not what is referred to as 'The Energon Cube'?

Now, if he'd just included the fucking pink female robots, and the robots with fucking BEARDS, that would have been perfectly credible.... jesus christ.

I mentioned the only films I can remember that truly disappointed me, and I answered with my justifications.

Or are you just banding together for protection?

This film is based on the Transformers franchise; it was NEVER going to be high art, and neither was the cartoon. To expect anything different was - and is - ridiculous. You are slating a film which you haven't yet seen for qualities it never professed to have. Do you open a tin of beans and fucking whine when you find beans in it?

I can understand that you care about the quality of this film, but where did this emotional investment come from? Would that be the original G1 cartoons? Which takes me back to my initial points...

I said earlier I had a feeling this movie was not going to be good-- based on a lot of evidence. I'm not saying "This movie is absolutely shit!" because yes, I haven't seen it. But seeing the warning signs of a bad movie is not a rare skill. We've all seen stuff before a movie comes out that sets off the red-alert that the film is going to stink. My alarm is going off big-time. You're looking for a different movie, it seems. You want noise and explosions. Good for you. I want that stuff PLUS an interesting story and good characters. Not an Ivory-Merchant film-- a solid, witty, fun action movie is all. I've listed them above and in other TBs, so you know what I'm talking about (hopefully). But your inability to make even the slightest concession makes me wonder what you're trying to accomplish in this TB.

The plot of Bay's TF's film seems to be no less 'simple-minded', than any of the original cartoons, or many other action films.

Take ESB; my favourite SW film; what little plot there is, is lost in breathless spectacle, and THAT revelation - which hardly effects the story of the film out of the context of the trilogy. ESB's plot is basically; Rebels are evicted from Hoth, Luke goes to get trained, Solo & Leia run, Solo & Leia get captured, Leia & Luke escape. It is basically a 'chase' film.

So, the TF film may have a relatively light plot, but the spectacle will more than compensate for that apparently. No bad thing.

I inferred that to expect a complex and involved plot from something based on the G1 cartoons was stupid. As has already been mentioned - a light plot does not a crap film make.

What bothers me most is that it will still be a good movie i mean come on, its giant robots transforming! How could it fail? However with all of Bays changes. Critics, people alike will congratulate Bay for turning a "silly" concept into a good idea. When little will the pea brains know that Transformers already was a very cool story with a rich mythology behind it. So Bay will get a pat on the back for basically pulling through with a sure fire win. People will be surprised when Transformers succeeds.... but not me. Its fucking Transformers man! The movie would have been 10 times better though with more respect to the original and less watering down. I'm thinking in the reboot.

AGAIN, for the 100th time, my love of the cartoons is not the standard by which I'm measuring this movie. If anything, it's fuel for my hope that the movie is in fact good. Cartoons and live action films are completely different beasts. Simple plots do not need to be simple-minded. My opinions are based on decades of watching films and seeing how some are done brilliantly and others are done poorly. My opinion is not based on my recollections of a TV show from the 80s.

And you still cannot concede that you're opposing arguments of your own creation.

So anyway, you were going to explain why reverse-engineering is laughable, but pink female robots and robot beards aren't? Weren't you?

Bay and Co. had all the material at their fingertips to cultivate a strong script. Look at all the iterations via several mediums over the years and take the best from those. This film has none of that. No charactersation whatsoever. Stupid and loud. Exactly as the reviews above describe it.

Think about this for a second. Live action pink robots and robots with beards might be stupid, but they're not contradictory. Reverse-engineered robots that have car engines in them when they are supposed to be aliens are. Pink is a color. A beard is styling. Robots can have those things whether or not you think they're stupid. Please explain why aliens with advanced technology should be reverse-engineered vehicles created by human engineers? It defies its own logic.

But we're not here to talk ESB, are we?

Check out what the angry vido game nerd has to say of it. This reviewers has NEVER given a positive review of anything but this freaking movie: http://tinyurl.com/36xqb4

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Not picking, just offering options. Carry on.

The only people who have any prior emotional investment in TF's are G1 nerds - there aren't enough of them to justify a live action TOTALLY G1-faithful film, in terms of cash. Let's be honest - any filmmaker alive wants to see a return on their efforts - they don't do it for free. So this film HAD to be re-imagined to be aimed at as large an audience as possible. That's not an apology on behalf of Bay, but just acceptance of reality.

That said, my wife wouldn't know an Autobot from C3-PO, but when she saw the trailer where BumbleBee is being captured, she said "Aaaaw, poor thing! I bet that'll have me in tears in the cinema..", so there we have an emotional investment with no prior subject knowledge or interest.

I make no excuses for my wife, by the way!

Besides, your argument becomes a bit ludicrous if you are willing to write off robot beards and pink lady robots... pink might be a colour, but are you telling me that they needs lady robots to reproduce? Do these robots screw and squirt out kids?

MOST films would be boring if you stripped them down to the bare bones of plot.

Bay's TF looks like it will deliver what it promised, a light plot and plenty of spectacle. Which already has an advantage over G1 TF's, because that just had the light plot...

Be as dismissive as you like, but now you're hiding behind a weak argument that 'cartoons are not the same as live action' - I think we realise this, but what's your point?

The Matrix film.

Is that OK?

Or as already mentioned above; Star Wars.

The disguise is just to get them from A to B without being discovered.

If you see a Transformer on the street they shouldn't look exactly like a normal car and CERTAINLY the insides should be different. They DO NOT run on gasoline and DO NOT have internal combustion engines. They un on energon. Any sound these cars make should be simulated.

If that's the case, then IMO, that's what he's done.

I won't get into the details, but Lucas' stro treatments of SW, ESB and ROTJ were the worst kind of drug-addled-like mystic tripe before they were 'rescued'; if you haven't already, download the Ebook, 'The Secret Story of Star Wars'.

The cartoon arguement you keep bringing forth holds no ground whatsoever. Groundwork. Groundwork which Bay and Co. ignored for their own bloated, moneymaking so called vision. And it will make shitloads of money and that will be their measure of success. Money is very relevant, but the art and craft come first. Or at least it should.

The toys don't even transform!?! Thats the daftest thing I've heard in ages. Mindyou that means parents will have to buy 2 toys instead of 1.

What am I saying?! ROBOTS! FUCKING TRANSFORMING ROBOTS! BELIEVABLE?! I can't believe I'm getting drawn into this!

My checklist going into this movie: by YackBacker Jun 14th, 2007 07:02:27 PM

1) Is there a good story? Is the story logical? Are characters necessary or are they superfluous to the progression of the story? Since the movie popped up in here, let's talk about BATMAN BEGINS. For the majority of that movie, I think the story was EXCELLENT. You had a wide array of characters-- from Bruce's world, from lands far from Gotham, from the criminal underworld, etc. They contributed to a very epic story. And the cool part about that movie (some of you may disagree with me) is that Bruce Wayne was more interesting than Batman. And the movie was about ideas too- justice, revenge, self-sacrifice. Those themes take work to develop- they take time and artistry to pull off successfully. There are little to zero ideas in the TF movie as far as I can tell, save for BIG FUCKING ROBOTS. Ya know, SNAKES ON A PLANE had a similar depth of thought and it fucking sucked.

2) Acting. Actors can elevate lackluster or middling material. I don't really have a strong opinion of the actors in TF either way, I think there does reach a critical point where no matter how good the actor, the material drags down the show regardless. If the script I read stays intact, well, not even the great Martin Landau could raise this sinking ship (that's a joke you humorless bastards).

3) For action movies at least, where's the action? I saw POTC3 recently and it had extensive action sequences. Unfortunately (for me at least) the camera work was too busy and the action was borderline absurd (Jack and Davey fighting on the yard arm of the main-mast while the ship was spinning down a whirlpool was fucking retarded, sorry). Good action builds tension, it doesn't throw it out the window by absurdyly defying the laws of physics.

4) Characterization. The appeal of the old cartoon was that (while cheesy) the characters were memorable, and some (Prime, Megs, Starscream, Bumblebee) were very distinct. Why else did the producers hire Peter Cullen to be Prime? To evoke the memory of that distinct characterization. But that is a half-measure, I fear. As the script reads now, the other characters are bland or almost non-existent. I know scripts change, but I can almost guarantee you that not too much will change from the draft that was released because they had to budget out all that CG work in advance. And preproduction, etc. had to be set well in advance of the Spring 2006 shoot as well. They may tweak lines for the robots, but they're not going to add characterization that is sorely lacking to the existing script. And AllSeeingEye, I get that scripts change, but who would demand those changes? The Director Mike Bay, who has a pathological dislike of good scripting? Steven Spielberg should be the savior of the production, but he's not going to make more work for himself on this project. It's a Dreamworks show, but Para owns Dreamworks now, and Spielberg's exposure is so freakin limited, he is already counting the box office receipts from Week 1 and 2 as an opportunity enough to make the money and get the fuck out of Dodge.

The signs so far show that Bay's film will make shitloads of money, because he has aimed it at the correct audience.

Point 2; Again, can't answer, but again, from what I am hearing, the acting is on par with any other summer blockbuster, and doesn't detract from the film.

Point 3; Despite early rumours, action doesn't seem to be this film's weak point by any means. If you require action - this is your film.

Point 4; The clip of BumbleBee being captured managed to evoke emotion in my wife - so it looks on track there too. However, I am hearing that the film only focuses on a few of the robots in the main, which makes sense in the confines of a film. Plus, there will undoubtedly be a sequel, giving opportunity to spotlight other robots.

Point 2: Action movies can have good acting. Why lower your standards again? I don't get it.

Point 3: Action without tension is boring. POTC3 had bad action even though it had competently rendered SFX.

Point 4: COME ON! Bumblebee made your wife teary-eyed and therefore we should expect solid characterization? Talk about jumping to conclusions! I read the whole script which was devoid of solid characterization. I will say, without any doubt, that my opinion is based on a much more significant amount of evidence in this regard. And saving your characterization for a sequel? You ARE an apologist!

Was discussing Bay films at work the other day and I came to realise that I haven't managed to sit through anyone of his films since The Rock. I sat through The Rock because I was on a coach journey and couldn't escape. Dr Dolittle got me the same way - damn you coach companies and your choice of films

Point 2: Where did I say that action movies COULDN'T have good acting? How was I lowering my standards? If you take the level of acting you are used to in an average summer blockbuster, apparently TF's is at LEAST on a par with it; I am establishing a 'quality line' if you will. Most summer blockbusters have perfectly fine acting.

Point 3: Talk about jumping to conculsions! how do you KNOW there is no tension in the action? Does it always have to be tension as well?

Point 4: I am not telling you to expect ANYTHING; my point demonstrates that someone without any TF knowledge gleaned some emotional investment in character just from the trailer!

I know all this may come as a shock for you, but if you actually go and MEET women, you'll see they have likes and dislikes, just like us!

Arcee was not a female robot. Arcee was a male robot with extremely feminine mannerisms, color, voice, chest bumps and strange confusing feelings for Rodimus Prime. Robots do not reproduce sexually.

There. No more Arcee talk. Got it?

Am I a plant over in the Batman Has New Duds TB, where I talk about being unsure of his new suit?

Was I a plant in the Indy 4 Talkbacks? or the Bat-logo Talkbacks?

If this film sucks arse, then it's fine with me; nowhere have I apologised in any way for Bay - never seen Pearl Harbour, The Island, or Armageddon - and BB2 bored me to tears. I'm just sick of people tearing films apart without seeing them and acting as if their word is law.

Son, you're just fodder for the REAL apologists who scream "Any time someone says something positive, someone screams 'Plant'".

How is that untenable?

I think it's time to get a headcount. Lets do it autobots vs decepticons style. Who's going to see this and who isn't. Let's be honest here too, for what do we have to gain by lying?
I'll go first. I said it before and will say it again. Call me a Decepticon, I'll be downloading this movie in November. Not going.

Autobots: 0 / Decepticons: 1

Saying '"You've lost" and then leaving like a spoilt child makes you a 'winner' does it? If I'd have known THAT, I would have done the same thing hours ago and 'beaten' you. And you talk about being grown up? I don't care who says I am 'correct' or not - unlike you, I don't crave the agreement and adoration of others. Although I think it's a weak phrase, you really ARE proving my point. You're far too used to people bowing down to your pearls of wisdom and blinkered viewpoint.

I'll watch Transformers with the expectation of being entertained, probably enjoy it too - if I don't, I'll tell you. You - you'll probably stew in your own impotence and frustration.

Who's the loser when all's said and done?

Let me break this down for you; I meantioned my wife's opinion because she is a 'person'; this film is aimed at 'people', yeah? Some 'people' think that this film will have no characterisation, and therefore no emotional investment; my wife gleaned some emotional investment just from the trailer, which I used to prove a point.

Do I have to break this down anymore for you, you intellectual lightweight?

My daughter is watching The Iron Giant with dinner right now. A damn fine film. Too bad Brad Bird was busy or not offered Transformers. I think he would have made it a great, non-insulting family film.

Superninja left because she realised she'd shot herself in the foot and wasn't up to the job.

Yackbacker left because he's arrogant and had all his 'points' refuted; he's too used to being agreed with - there was nowhere left for him to go.

'Win'/'Lose' - who gives a fuck? I'm looking forward to this film; if I enjoy it, ultimately, I have 'won'.

Superninja left because she realised she'd shot herself in the foot and wasn't up to the job.

Yackbacker left because he's arrogant and had all his 'points' refuted; he's too used to being agreed with - there was nowhere left for him to go.

'Win'/'Lose' - who gives a fuck? I'm looking forward to this film; if I enjoy it, ultimately, I have 'won'.

Show me where I gave you excuses on your checklist - I answered honestly, and gave you my opinions.

Please point out where I have moved any goalposts.

Please show me where I have been 'evasive'.

Most importantly, please show me where I have 'lost', and tell me why this is some sort of 'match'.

Yes, we ARE arguing opinions; it's just that you seem to think YOURS is the only one that counts.

Knee-jerk reactions make you look like a fan-boy twat. Or is that just you?

The only thing you should be revoking is your own membership card to the human race.

I actually remember the time I had quite a cool discussion with someone who was pro-war and me not. Never got into name calling once . . .yet if we had stayed on the discussion of films who knows what may have happened.

What a strange world we live in

The rest of you 'true haters' could take some lessons in class from Yack Backer - at least he tries to justify himself in a sensible and fairly rational manner. The rest of you worms just come here to throw shit and see what sticks.

Do you people really have no idea that your opinions are not worth the dusty keyboard you've typed them on and will have little recognisable effect on a films opening weekend or even the overall BO take (X-Men 3 and SoaP for two polar examples)?

Of the tens of thousands of people that come to this site to read reviews, only a small handful actually stick around to read TBs and only a smaller handful still actually bother to post.

No, anybody typing away in this here TB is here because they like movies and love discussing them.

If I was a plant, I would have at LEAST have SEEN the fucking film to assist me in my planty duties.

As it stands, I have no emotional investment in this film. It looks like I'll enjoy it; if I don't, I'll mention it - but it'll be a while before I see it.

But if you think this film isn't going to make money and spawn a sequel, I reckon you're pretty fucking far from right; love or hate Bay - this film will have legs, regardless of the fan-boy minority proposed boycotts (as if you're NOT gonna watch it!).

Onscreen Cat-fucking+Popcorn = entertainment!

I'm so excited by this spin off I'm not going to sleep for a week

I knew someone would counter my corny post with something far more witty. Nice one.

What bemuses me is how so many people who haven't seen it can be so venomous in their hatred and belief that this film WILL be shit.

It's already been proven that pre-judging a film by a script isn't a good move, (Matrix, SW etc). I shouldn't need to mention that film is a visual medium; and a script is not a novel.

Oh and my style is not to come up with any original amusing comment - just to nick and expand on someone elses

Memories-Of-Murder: the only thing that's embarassing is your continued, hysterical insistence that I AM a plant!

Is it so shocking to you that there might actually be people out here in the real world actually looking forward to this film?

IK; I haven't read the script, for reasons already explained. I don't doubt that it LOOKS shit - I think that of most scripts. but if you'd be kind enough to post a link, I'll have a look.

Big Dick; did you mean bringing my wife to Germany, or bringing her up on a TB?! :-)

I wish to fuck I was on the kind of money a studio plant makes though.

This is the Intrawebs, for fuck's sake! It was invented by machine scientists using Megatron's technology so we could download porn and talk shit on message boards in 'The Matrix', thus keeping us happy in our pods. happy humans produce more power!

We are here in a purely caretaking role now. We patrol the streets to make sure that German women shave their legs and armpits regularly.

Turns out the film was too. Who fucking knows, eh?!

The cast for this movie is horrible. That guy who plays Shite LaPouf's dad is one of THE worst cheeseball character actors in hollywood. You see them in the trailers and wince.

Evey review on AintItCool.com (a Steven Spieldberg Production) begins by admiting it is style over substance. Then goes on to say but it has great effects. So what- rollerskating bots that have eyeballs so the can "emote"? A good animator can make a red bouncing ball or a sack of flour "emote".

Regrettably this crap movie will make money initially, but they will get bit in the ass regarding repeat business. That is where the fanbase comes in. That is where the studios are noticing that the target audience is not coming back for a subpar product. http://tinyurl.com/37veha That is why there is such a negative reaction to this movie.

We the gainfully employed family raising informed market saavvy fanbase are tired of your shit sandwich, take it back and send the filet we ordered.

....and also you (marketing machine) telling me it isn't when I know fully well that it is won't change it. The customer is informed and the days of seeing TPM 9 times in the theatre are gone.

I wouldn't compare any of Bay's films to those films - least of all because Bay doesn't make that kind of film. Bay's films are about style and spectacle. I will happily admit to liking The Rock and Bad Boys - being two of the three films of his I've seen (hated BB2). But I really have no opinion on Bay as a director, despite his 2 out of 3 hit-rate (for me).

I usually stay away from scripts because they can bias you against a film falsely, ruin it or give you false expectation. And let's be honest - a script isn't an interesting read by it's very nature; they aren't novels.

Keep on keeping on!

The Third Man (new double dip version) looks sweet. The OPPO will not disappoint you. Watched it last night.

You know what looks sweet upscaled? To Catch A Thief. Tiggity-tight.

Hail fighting robots!

Hasbro is as much to blame for the Transbayers, they signed off on it. Meanwhile they make money on the classics line and the 15 different variations of those new crappy looking things with the suck ass face sculpts.

And here's why: THEY'RE AWFUL. TRULY TERRIBLE. THE WORST. Its true fellas and you've got to face up to it. You liked them at age 8 and if you're expecting a movie which is translated directly from the cartoon to keep you interested age 32 you're not in the right frame of mind.

I'm prepared to get flamed for this but in the end the transformers are just a toy line from takara and bandai combined from 1974 which hasbro got their hands on ten years later and created a story around them which never existed.

If you want something from your golden age 80's childhood with good characterization and story rent or dvr/on-demand Say Anything.

That is all...

Other thing I can't wait to see is the on screen battle between a camaro and a mustang... Two lifelong rivals still duking it out, but this time in actual combat! Worth a ticket by itself!

In the end I can see and understand why die-hard fans are screaming TINO over and over again but hey the beauty of the situation here is that we can choose to see the movie or not. I for one am going for the hot tits broad...

While Bay is certainly a hack and has had a lot of control over this, there are a lot of people who have a big say in how a movie is created. The producers and investors control the money and inevitably they will demand to be heard and get something they want into a film, and since a director works for them it happens all the time. The phrase "You know what I think would be cool in this movie?" could be translated into "Here's my new idea that you are going to put into the movie whether you like it or not." It's a disgusting game that is constantly played in Hollywood.

The flipside to that is surrounding yourself with "Yes Men" and controlling every teenie aspect of your movie from the money right on through to editing like George Lucas, also a very bad and disgusting way to go.

Independant filmmakers are the closest thing we're ever going to get to having actual artists working on films, but I keep hoping that some of our bitching about this and crap like FF2 might actually be heard eventually and maybe someone in Hollywood will find in themselves some shread of dignity and integrity.

**cue John Lennon's Imagine**

FADE TO BLACK

We are of like opinions on this I think so everything I would say has already been said except this.

Bayformers Kun-Fu is weak. All flash and no power.

Typos anyone?

One of the coolest factors to me was that they were crashed here on Earth for 4 million years. EVEN BEFORE humans had evolved. I love that. It drives the point home how ancient and yet advanced these creatures are. It forces you to imagine how many civilizations there must be out there if these robots have an inbred instinctive function to disguise themselves as a civilizations vehicles. It really makes you as a human, feel small in a suddenly much larger universe. And then you see Megatron and Starscream calling the humans "pathetic flesh creatures" "earth germs" etc and laughing at our military trying to take them down. The extent of the Decepticon power coupled with the extent of their technological prowess and ancientness makes humans just seem very small in contrast to everything.

The only ones woul could possibly save us would be the Autobots.

“…the plot is paper-thin but it doesn't even matter.”

“It's funny when he changes the radio station for songs to create a mood between Sam and to-be girlfriend Mikaela…”

“Megan Fox…her dialogue is drivel and she serves almost no purpose other than the unlikely love interest. “

“…but all of Bay's signature directorial moves are there. The same bombastic music and musical cues he always uses, the illogical chases (run the bad guy's so close!, jumpcut, the bad guy is inexplicably gone), the crazy authority figure (John Turturro, in his worst role I have seen), the nonstop-shouting-as-witty-dial ogue, and, of course, great production values and effects.”

In essence, they both liked the special effects, the transformations and battle scenes. So, in effect, it’s just a bunch of really cool cut scenes from some console video game system. Sounds like a classic.

But, holding true to the purpose of the cartoon series, we now have a two hour commercial for toys. Not only that, we have to PAY to see the commercial! Rather, a bunch of you will. Bay has burned me enough with his crapfests, no more money from my pocket. This guy directed Bad Boys I & II, The Island, Armageddon, and Pearl Harbor…for God sakes, people, PEARL HARBOR!!! This guy should be paying us to see his movies!

"The way I see it, supporting comic book movies means helping ensure more get made."

Are we better off because Daredevil got made? Catwoman? Elektra? Hulk? FF? Judge Dredd?

Do I get to move up in the nerd mafia ranks because I own every dvd (video format) of every comic based movie and ticket stubs from each opening night?

Do I do the genre justice by continuing to line these hollywood yutz's pockets as they tell me what is wrong with something that has been around for 20 years. That they know how to tell a story and how to make it available for all audiences. They can fix it, and I will/must like it. Because I cannot criticize if I have not seen it. BS.

How about the millionaires/billionaire pay me $10. to see it.

They (Hollywood) will continue to make comic book movies and crappy ones at that because people continue to go see them for fear their might not be anymore. That is a total crock.

Screw them and their reinterpreted trite shallow cliche ridden mindless vacuous hole know as "style" over substance.

and one more thing. Steven Speildberg is a has been (the skies part and lightning strikes) and Indy 4 sounds ridiculous. Indy 3 sucked for numerous reasons, and I know because I saw it multiple times. There is no reformer like an old sinner.

The emporer has no clothes!!!

I agree, and I hear you.

Some good has come from the the gluttony of awful films. The Batman and Superman animated series alone made up for a good bit.

The point I meant to make and didn't was that the genre of comic books is here to stay. It has already proven to be viable and profitable. It is what is hot now and the cycle will move on, just as it did with westerns. They will use it up until there is no more left and move on.

I just hope the ratio of good films to bad flips. It seemed like it would with the first Matrix movie (essentially Superman) and the Lord of the Rings trilogy, but then the Matrix sequels came out and things went downhill again.

Things won't change if we don't make them. Send them a message the only way they understand- box office. This Transposeurs movie is not going to be good, so I am not going to see it. However, Iron Man is proving interesting, so I might go see that. I will go see Hellboy 2 when it comes out, but I am not going to give a blank check for anything in the genre.

Just my opinion.

Proof of what you speak. See the hilarity that ensues as Bumblebee mimes shush and waves off the other Autobots to be quiet and the delightful and next Tom Hanks Shite LApouf delivers his inspired speech to convince his father to not come outside. Sheer brilliance-comedic genius. Prime steps on a bird fountain. GUFAW! ...and then he says" My Bad" Giggle Snort Be still my heart- oh my my eyes are tearing up

M. Bay explained that the animation was really expensive so they had to have more human time in it. Which begs the question of why do it live action then. (of course he couldn't have stroked off the armed forces, again) Have you seen the WALL-E trailer for the next Pixar flick? Sad they did not go animated for this all the way. Gues they are still scared of what happened with FInal Fantasy, but some studio genius could have just put some penguins in it.

You said up above that you blamed Hasbro for not protecting their Intellectual Property better.

amen brother. I saw that new line in the stores and it blows. I happened upon an online survey for them (Hasbro) and let them have it regarding the direction they have taken with the property. Just words, but I figured it will represent the opinions of better than 1% of their consumers.

This explains the international word tour before coming to the states. They figure the money to be made is international. They want to hype up the rest of the world as insurance if they face a backlash (poor reviews) here.

It will make money because it is something different but it won't make what it could have.

The real story is how their will be a banner ad on this site again and no bad reviews because no of them no anything about the backstory and are mezmerized by Big Gay Gobots Skating that go boom. Mori may be the standout, but Harry has lost all credibility. (Quint too- form his first stories about seeing the original designs- he didn't even know what color optimus was) He got too close to the source, he gets so much free swag and brags about it. He's not believable. He should go back to his roots and say what needs to be said. He is without a doubt exceedingly knowlegable and knows the material. He should take a stand and let hollywood know that they should shape up and stop criticing a movie but then buying the dvd and recommending it when it comes out.(Ghost Rider)

http://tinyurl.com/37veha Sources say "no".

...I rented.

One was good, the other was all over the place and tried to cobble together to many other ideas and got lost in itself.

Now the question is which one is which.

this decade

crickets chirping

last decade

crickets chirping

around 1981?

resting on laurels

spieldberg brand not so great for the genre

spieldberg exec producer = BFD

I mean that gymnast scene in JPII- good lord that was bad. so very very bad

my point. he can't go back home.

That new Indy, I can't believe anyone would want to see that in any way shape or form. Still time to cast the delightful Dakota Fanning?I mean her and Shite together- the screen will just explode. Epic.

Indy 4 = Episode 1

what does that mean? There are only a few and the rest are just apathetic, mediocre or silly maybe? It's funny how "serious" is attached like that. the qualifier. If you are good - you are "serious". And what makes you move up to the serious ranking? An academy award? Is Kevin Costner serious? 8^)

Kinda like "rocker" Tommy Lee. That guy is never called Tommy Lee, he is always qualified as Rocker Tommy Lee. Robert Plant is just Robert Plant.

cracks me up.

Also, what is with American cinema chains being so stupid that you can do the switcheroo thing? Other places just have the number of the cinema in the multiplex printed next to the title of the film on the ticket. No need for a sign at the door and they get accurate stats. Easy. I'm not saying I'm against you sticking it to the man if you want to make a point, just wondering how they got themselves into the situation where you can do that when it didn't need to happen in the first place?! Weird.

just curious what the qualification is for "serious" in serious filmaker. Can you be serious without winning a major industry award.

we know the qualifications for a "hack".

example: Michael Bay (any film) who looks like that guy from "30 something" crossed with Ichabod Crane, and he's a hack to boot.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm 0005022/

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Any living you can think of- beyond what you have already mentioned?

So "serious" would be anyone who has contributed to the betterment of (for lack of a better word) or advancement of film. - caused it to progress- as it were.

What do you think about QT?

First off, was it a toyline that was then turned into a cartoon and serve as a vehicle for selling toys? Undisputedly, yes.

Was it a good show? Undisputedly , yes. Except for season 3 which had a few standout shows, but the whole Rodimus era was the beginning of the end.

I keep hearing this cast off of the 80's cartoon and I don't know if some of you are old enough to understand the cartoon in the perspective of cartoons at the time.

Cartoons back then were not that good and there were not many options. Particularly after school. Then this concept came along of robots turning into vehicles. It was pretty ingenious because the toys looked good and the characters on the show looked better. The toys were little puzzles. (Remember the Rubik's cube had been all the craze nary a couple of years before.) They had great voice effects too. They lived on a robotic planet. Not to mention it was the first cartoon to use some of the Star Wars sound library. Everything else back used the Buck Rogers and BSG sound library.

What we had seen was Superfriends or Thundar the Barbarian type stuff.

Anyways, this show came along and changed the rules.

The good guys lost sometimes, they got their asses handed to them. They were outgunned and outmanned but still fought on. The characters looked great with greco/roman/egyptian masks.-faceplates and a single light for a face. They had weapons out the yin yang and could blow each other up. Arm cannons- Autobots using the Decepticons weapons against them- you see, violence was not accepted much on daytime TV back then- watch GI Joe and see the ejections from planes everytime they are hit. It had onscreen violence, the voices were cool and modulated- some had more than one form (triple changers) others were teams and merged to make a bigger bot. They were salvaging/plundering Earth for its natural resources to power their own planet. That was the storyline.

The animation was good. (comparatively for the time) This was all new to us back then. This concept of damage to a robot was accepted that could not be done to a human. That was revolutionary

It had characters out the wazoo and the villians didn't get along so there were power struggles in the ranks of both sides

Then when the movie came out in 86 we learned that the Autobots lost and got stuck on Earth and relegated to a moonbase of Cybertron. I mean to start out that the good guys got beat and continue to take a beating until the bitter end.

That was unique-that was ballsy storytelling.

So take your macguffin hunting boy and his first car wet dream grandfather glasses searching big gun military promo bang bang guns go boom boom rollerskating eyeball having busy designed vitals exposed no covering robots in the desert 85% humans 15% bots Transformers In Name Only schlock fest and choke on your popcorn Michael Bay film.

Cartoon sucked- your ass hurts

I still have a Beast Wars rant yet to give.

Also, Pawprint, who cares what you think about me personally, you still can't argue your way out of a paper bag and are dishonest.

I didn't write it.

It is a rather silly reference though. "The hunters pwned that bear."

How much do you think they got for it? $50?

ah yes, a witty pun

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Looks like the term "decidership" could be applicable:

Teh Transposeurs A Micheal Bay Decidership Phlegm

They had a good grip when they wrote for Beast Wars too. They tied the lines together, and did not reveal it until the end.

I think Bay's crew studied and took more inspiration from Beast Wars details (not storywise) more than the G1 mythology.

Comics today do seem a bit lackluster.

Even DK Returns a few years ago by Miller wasn't that good.

Perhaps it was MacFarlane himself who introduced the whole style over substance era into the comics back in the early 90's which lead to the publishers greed and overprinting that almost killed the industry.

Beast Wars was good though. Worth a rent- it really gets going towards the end of season 1 and all of Season 2 . Season 3 has some high points but not as good as the others.

I am not playing politics- this is just the definition from Urban Dictionary.

A form of government with one person exercising absolute power and unrestricted control in a government who regularly disregards opinions, petitions or mandates of the people or elected representatives.

The misguided War On Terrorism has turned the United States of America from a Democracy to a Decidership.

I really stopped liking comics in the 90s but kept reading them because I loved the characters so much (Marvel) and then discovered DC and dropped Marvel almost entirely. Then DC went the way of Marvel, unfortunately, and I stopped reading alltogether.

I still feel Moore and Miller really brought about most of this when they started deconstructing heroes and that became more popular than supporting the traditional archetypes. Deconstruction is just a lesser version of the original idea and always will be. It's good for a story to look at heroes in a Post Modern way but not as an overarching idea, and yet that is what it became.

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Y ou classified the "deconstruction" era extremely well. I mean nailed it. I could not have put that into words as well as you did- and you are exactly right. This is what happens when the avant garde is assimilated and becomes the new norm.

That show was a bit out there for my tastes. Interesting designs, and I never would have imagined they could have translated into toys as well as they did, but they did a damn good job on the property. Great theme music "Phat Planet". Story not so good.

That show was a bit out there for my tastes. Interesting designs, and I never would have imagined they could have translated into toys as well as they did, but they did a damn good job on the property. Great theme music "Phat Planet". Story not so good.

It has a complete story arc which is nice, but Flash Gordon itself is pretty repetitive. Flash goes to kingdom X, usually ruled by a hot queen or princess, who proceeds to flirt with him and make Dale jealous. Then he helps them out and they either hook up with their general (who have really loved them all this time) or pine for Flash and agree to help him overthrow Ming. Rinse and repeat. The animation for the ships are pretty cool, though. And in true Filmation style they use a lot of repeating cells.

I would like to see Japanese anime Big O done like Sky Captain, that is a great story (at least Season 1 anyway).

Megatron (just has the same name- but not related) has a crew of Predacons have stolen two golden discs that were guarded artifacts on the Maximal controlled planet of Cybertron. He takes his crew and heads off to a long rumored planet that is rich with energon. There is a Maximal ship close enough to engage them but it is a scientific vessel and the crew are not trained warriors. Anyway they engage iver a planet and both go crashing into it. (sound familiar?) Anyways there is a power struggle amoung the Preds and Dinobot takes off.

Optimus Primal (not related to Prime- and has the inspiration for TINO's Prime with the lips/mouthguard battle mode) is the leader of the Maximals. Anyways they are stuck and have to figure out what Megatron is up to. Long story short- they decide to stay and fight. so, they have to find out- where they are (hint: when they are) and what Megatron's plan is.

Much like the original Autobots the Maximal get beat fairly often as they should and over time they become more battle-hardened.

When the pods crahed to earth the forms were just like the T1000 until a computer scanned the area for a lifeform to replicate. This also happened to the crew when they were shutdown after the crash as well.

When they sustained damage they had to fgo to the "CR" chamber (don't know what CR stands for) for repairs. The Beast mode forms they attained protected them from the energon radiation that was in a raw form and would fry their circuitry if overexposed.

Normally they (TF's) don't go about with their bits and pieces all exposed. Makes no damn sense- you are a robot sand and dirt and crap aren't good and you have to protect your vitals. Which is why they had box like designs that the TIMO Lemmings bitch about.

Because form follows function, right.

It's 11:20 pm here and the midnight sun and is finally starting to get dark.

Good night all. until next time.

Translation: I'll be amazed if the effect I didn't see doesn't win an Oscar for effects. Pardon, but what exactly was the criteria for such judgment?

Again...

"its hard to distinguish[...]what's happening"

And, yet, the effects look great? How can you tell if you admittedly cannot see what is going on?

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Vog From Dimension X
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and at least four other names that got B@NN3D.

Funny thing is, they were all the same person.

Right, Tegujai Batir?

The anti-haters need to understand that most of us pessimists wouldn't be if it weren't for such grandiose diversions. And they need to become more adept at spotting true haters.

http://tinyurl.com/34dakx

A good read.

Oh, and my wife would like to add that you are "a witty bitch." Take that as a compliment. She likes you. And Thundercats.

I part ways with you on FF1, though, as I enjoyed it (haven't seen the sequel). Sure, they truly eviscerated Doom's origin, but everything else was spot-on. Sure, effects and cast could have been better, but the characterization was perfect IMO. As for the story, it was sheer origin exposition and nothing else, which to me is always a formula for the crappy. But at least the Four were faithfully represented.

And about Doom -- since I recognize your handle and you may be familiar with the source material -- what other rendition of the character was any good at all? All we really have to point at are the various animated series. I haven't seen them all, but I recently watched episodes of the animated series of both Hulk and Spider-Man from the 90s featuring the Doom character and must say that there is nothing McMahon is doing wrong considering the voice he's been given in these other adaptations. Methinks many fanboys cannot come to grips with how he reads vs. how it sounds once spoken.

A recognizable voice-actor and familiar color scheme of two set pieces a faithful Transformers adaption does not make.

I suspect that there should be more characterization of the Transformers in this Transformers movie, given that's what it will be known as.

Here is a bit of advice (whatever your name is today), if you keep getting banned while supposedly "pwning" people...then you're not "pwning" anybody. Or anything. You can't just claim it. You've got to show your work and live to talk about it. I know that concept is really hard for you to accept (it always has been). But the truth is something that you've never displayed the capacity to understand.

Oh, and thanks for confirming my assumption in my previous post. Gotcha. You pile your bullshit up so high, I can see it from miles away.

Now you've reduced yourself to making fun of people's spelling?! And you're calling that "pwnage"??? My goodness...have you really fallen that far off your game?!

WOW.

I'm aware of the Doom being Vader's boilerplate deal. And I already admitted to Doom's origin having been screwed in FF1. And yet, the template was there for movie Doom to be comic Doom in the sequel, which I haven't seen yet. Willing to eat crow if not.

And that brings me back to the question again... Where has Doom been properly represented other than comics? I recoil to the Hulk 96 animated series where he's captured Jen and telling Hulk how he's going to blow her up with a bomb linked to his wrist. "Push push, bang bang." Or, worse yet, "Me, a terrorist? This is simply a neighborly decision to pool resources!" Or some such. All of it spoken like the narrator of Python's Holy Grail.

If McMahon's delivery truly is awful, then what other adaptation was better? I'm not targeting only you here. If others can suggest otherwise, please speak up. Just don't mention the FF cartoon of the 60s. Galactus is better off being a cloud than being represented like that.

Oh, sure, some things must change due to difference in medium. I get that. I get organic webshooters.

And yet, sometimes things need not be rethought, but simply retweaked. Take the webshooters. Okay, so he's not such a genius that he could invent a cash cow for 3M. However, he could rework the guts of a Bic lighter to make a gadget that directs and controls the flow of useless spooge emanating from his wrists into a stream of webbing utility. See what I mean?

But back to Masters, what did you think? Then and now.

No, I'm not saying that we should accept the least offensive adaptation of Doom. What I'm wondering is if this is just one of those characters that simply doesn't translate well.

Let's admit, template aside, Vader on film was nowhere near as talky as Doom is in the books. And if you make Doom as talky in a movie as he is in the books, well, then, you know...?

Vader isn't Doom. Doom isn't Vader. One beget the other, but they are each their own.

Open up any comic with Doom and recite his speech bubbles in front of the bathroom mirror. Then try to laugh at yourself before the rest of your onlooking family does. Honestly, it's not Shakespeare. And the stuff from the 60s was worse than the stuff from the 90s.

Bottom line -- What was the first thing Doom did when he trashed the Beyonder? He fixed his face! And yet, still we wonder why movie Doom is played as a metrosexual?!

Well, is that all you got? Wannabe-clever wordplay, baseless assumptions, and false claims of "PWNAGE" in the "NOW"? (WTF?)

Please tell me you've actually got something interesting to say because my face hurts from laughing at your sorry ass.

As I always say Batman & Robin would have still been crap without the nipples and Batman Begins would have still been brilliant if they had added nipples.

Who was in charge in ANH? Tarkin. "Vader, release him." Who was in charge in ESB? The whole kneeling bit obviated that. Nothing need be said about ROJ.

Ultimately, we're talking about a second-in-command that had little to say himself and who took his orders from above that was played by the wheelchair pusher from Clockwork Orange instead of a vain TV star.

I doubt anyone has properly adapted Doom yet. And IMO, those that point at Vader haven't really considered all the parts that make up his whole for the above mentioned reasons.

The problem I have with TF is that I suspect the filmmakers did not approach the Transformers themselves as characters, but instead as set pieces. There sure are lots of human actors involved. Much has been made of who is doing the voices of Prime and Megs as well as who is NOT doing the voice of Bumblebee. You do the math!

First of all, YackBacker doesn't need my help with the likes of you. Nobody does. It would look like we were ganging up on an infant.

Second: I don't "love" the Transformers movie. I haven't seen it yet. But I certainly don't pre-judge or "hate" upon it. I've only tried to engage these TBs in reasonable debate. Have you EVER tried that?!

"I'll remove your leash..."

Is that the same leash you use on your blow-up Boba Fett fuckdoll?

Well, this time, I hope you don't get banned. Why? Because you deserve to be mocked.

TheAllSeeingEye - yeah, I think I know who you're going on about. No worries though. These TFers threads are among the most passionate and perplexing that I've seen in a long time on this site. And good point about the cast vs. robot screentime. Had they gone with bigger names, there would probably be less bot-time onscreen. And from what I've heard, the work ILM has done on this film is so amazing, people can't believe that it was budgeted for only $135-150 million. Not to mention the fact that Bay supposedly wrapped it up under budget.

So I'll leave it at this -- movie Doom at least reached toward being comic Doom and was no worse for it than any other non-comic adaptation. This appears to be the same approach with Prime in the TF movie, given everything suggested thus far. He's "kinda Prime."

Problem I have with FF vs. TF is that I think the Four were ripped from the pages while any Transformer other than Prime isn't even a character at all. They are treated as set pieces with little characterization, similar to the General Lee. Oh, it has a name and all, but it's still an 'it'.

I mean, since I get what I ask for...

I'll bite. Quickly the immediate ones that come to my mind (personal opinion as a fan of the source material)

Oldboy

The Crow

Blade

The Prestige

Perfume

Dune/Dune Messiah/Children of Dune

300

Sin City

Batman Begins

These are films (adapted from comics/books) that I profess to be a big fan of and feel the films did the property justice or improved upon it. But that's just me. I would love to hear what others thought of these properties and their adaptations. Perhaps the hardcore fan base did not like them, but I dunno about that. Somone educate me if my view is askew....

Flipped through the Prequel and Film Adaptation comics for TINO whilst at B&N today with the wife. Yikes. They really missed some great opportunities. But this movie will make tons of money and THAT is the measure of success.

I would also say that I am an extremely hardcore Dune/Herbert fan. I really have zero problems with the adaptations that we have seen. Seriously. Both visions captured the essence of Herbert's concept. But that is just me. Clearly.