such a sweet irony that you deride Sorkin for just that.

and personally I like Tempus Sans ITC, although I don't use it a lot...just looks nice

and you always get on Sorkin for being self-important...perhaps in a more specific way I guess...

See how broad generalizations are stupid. I think you better stop man. Seriously, you just sound kind of silly. As an artist you should especially respect other people's art you do not understand. You are making your professional look bad.

"Actually, I have my grad degree in Animation". Well la-di-fuckin'-dah, who's the snob NOW? You're probably one of those kingsized twats who likes 3d because it's all cool and technical but couldn't draw a fucking hand or hand-sculpt a face to save themselves. The 3d industry is made up of MANY tools like that. Yeah I work with 'em and have been in both camps and my jaw still drops at how ignorant so many 3D guys are of the basics. Worse still when it comes to the new novelty, Pre-vis artists. Just like back in the 60s and 70s when so called 'artists' got all excited about airbrushes then wondered why their super chrome robots looked so shit, not realising they shoulda learned something about anatomy and drawing skills first. Notice I'm not deriding the airbrush or 3d or graphic design at all, just the wankers.

As for graphic design, there's nothing inherently wrong with wanting to bring art or aesthetics to everyday, post-industrial revolution life. That's completely different to the issue of whoring for the ad industry. Graphic design's wanker quotient is certainly no higher than the 3d animation camp.

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Photoshop filters like lens flares, bubbles and aged film are also the scourge of the industry. Nice that Copperplate came back after a few decades out of the limelight though.

As we're talking both fonts/typography and film, Kyle Cooper is the best designer since Saul Bass, I reckon. Any takers?

I guess little Jimmy isn't a Pixies fan.

Borgnine, Bert is evil - remember that net craze?!

If you do get paid for character concepts (I notice you didn't use the words character DESIGN), do you draw/hand render them first, or just go straight to the app.? And if you do go through the initial stages, are you so in denial/self deluded that you don't realise you're using the exact same methods of composition, proportion, weight, leading the eye, negative space and on and on that every decent GRAPHIC DESIGNER uses? Oh the irony! Like I said before, glass houses you holier-than-graphic-designers tool! You ARE a fucking black pot. You even admit your hatred of graphic designers is based on your own tiny subjective interaction with, um, HOW many? You admit to generalising but won't qualify your comments? Don't make the unsupportable sweeping statement in the FIRST place then, doofus! I'm sure your corporate bosses think it's hilarious that you have your unsullied and oh-so-green storytelling mantra in place. It's not necessarily why THEY own the BUSINESS. Adorable kids' products notwithstanding.

I must admit that this is all pretty funny to me as yes even though I was a graphic designer for many years I left it to become a fulltime character designer and concept & storyboard artist. Done children's educational stuff too! At least I'm not making kneejerk statements here and have respect for both fields and have both 'analogue' and digital points of view. I know that makes me sound pretty old, but you mate sound awfully green. Besides which, if you hate this stuff so much do yourself a favour and get out of the TB, ya little troll. At least people won't make fun of you.

Animation is storytelling? What the fuck do you think a typeface does? It's an integral part of printed STORYTELLING (and go look at case studies of how different fonts influenced different groups' interpretations of mood in the same Shakespeare play). People wrote things down and printed them long before animation my friend and if serifs, ascenders and descenders help in that communication and education, then you can't exactly fault them or their designers out of hand. Right?

It's too bad you won't actually educate any kids though, as you won't support the company's corporate schilling by letting them include any imagery to help SELL the product and get it to them in the first place, because then you'd be implicit in ADVERTISING, and there won't actually be any text or numbers on the blocks or tiles in the characters hands anyway because those guys and their fonts suck so the kids won't learn to read and write. They'll be entertained by the animation though if it does magically fall into their hands.

Oh actually no they won't because your characters don't make them see or think what you as an animator/designer want them to. See how this works? No of course you don't. God almighty - and you're still saying OTHER people are arrogant! You're right though that I'm riled. Self-important holier-than-thou types do get to me. I'm silly like that. Out.

As a graphic designer and the inventor of cannibalism, I must say that I'm hurt by the blowhard jackass comment posited by Jimmy_009.

Fortunately I have self-confidence and I know for a fact that some of my business card designs have prevented wars.