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A big HURTin' is coming for THE INCREDIBLE HULK!!!!

lots of stuff tonight by FrodoFraggins	Jun 13th, 2007 01:21:02 AM
lots of news damn
testing 1 2 3 by xega	Jun 13th, 2007 01:21:12 AM
testing 1 2 3
I Like Sam Elliot Better by Queefer Bukkake	Jun 13th, 2007 01:22:32 AM
But the movie itself, it can't be any worse than Ang Lee's abomination, can it?
interesting, indeed.. by bob oblaw	Jun 13th, 2007 01:23:27 AM
i actually thought Sam Elliott was pretty awesome as Gen. Ross.. (well, he's awesome in anything).. but Bill Hurt could be pretty fun.. eh, i don't know honestly, i guess we'll just have to see..
I just hope it's better than the last one... by vettebro	Jun 13th, 2007 01:25:24 AM
Ang Lee's version sucked the big one. No pun intended. Please do it right this time. Pleaseeeeee...
Yeah... by Cadillac Jones	Jun 13th, 2007 01:32:45 AM
...Sam Elliott WAS General Thunderbolt Ross. This kind of saddens me, but at least we have a decent actor replacing him.
Looks like they might do this one right. by CornsilkSW	Jun 13th, 2007 01:35:03 AM
Things are looking better and better. The studio is making a GREAT move here by banking on the short-term memory loss of the average moviegoer. A good version of a geek property will almost always overwrite a bad version in the popular consciousness. If Hulk continues to be well put together with a GOOD SCRIPT WRITTEN BY A COMIC BOOK WRITER, a good cast that takes the story seriously instead of just showing up for a paycheck, and good editing so that the finished product looks right, then that Ang Lee piece of rubbish will end up in the dollar DVD bins while this new one gets Director's Cuts, Collector's Editions, and Anniversary boxed sets. Cha-Ching for the studio, and win-win for the fans.
i think a history a violence is fuckin garbage by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell	Jun 13th, 2007 01:35:24 AM
pretty awful if you ask me. but then again, no one did. anyway, please let this one be good because the hulk is such a fuckin great charecter, and i cant stand to see him in another shitty ass movie.
Ang Lee's Hulk was class by prbt	Jun 13th, 2007 01:36:29 AM
The studio made an almost note-perfect comic movie, and what do people do? Whine about it. Y'all deserve nothin'.
william hurt is decent.... WOOT by RokurGepta	Jun 13th, 2007 01:37:00 AM
Is it just me, or has it been a SLOW week for news?
the 2 best things about the 1st by skaul80	Jun 13th, 2007 01:39:26 AM
were nick nolte and sam elliott. i can see hurt in the role, though. i am fairly stoked.
prbt by j-bot	Jun 13th, 2007 01:40:37 AM
i'm with you!
This is GOOD news, sheeple! by projectionist-punisher	Jun 13th, 2007 01:46:47 AM
Jesus H. Stan Lee, This is sweet news! I liked about 20 minutes of Ang Lee's film, you know the part that was a hulk movie. Man was I pissed while I watched hulk fight a cloud....in the .....cloud. Watching hulk throw rockets back at the copters that fired them at 'em however was indeed cool hulk action. Two words for the film makers (really, take this to heart) HULK SMASH!
RobbedZombie by vettebro	Jun 13th, 2007 01:47:29 AM
Bitch you make me hurl! Ang Lee's movie sucked. Sam Elliot was the best part of the movie. No denying that, but the rest? Bitch!
i liked the first film by slder78	Jun 13th, 2007 01:49:20 AM
whenever i catch it on TV I can't take my eyes off the screen. The climax IS kinda lame,but overall, the underlying story was intriguing.
And one more thing... by vettebro	Jun 13th, 2007 01:49:55 AM
THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND AMERICANS FUCKING RULE! HA!
William Hurt has chosen HD-DVD...Here's Why... by Darth Fabulous	Jun 13th, 2007 01:51:26 AM
Because he wanted to reimagine himself in Blu-Ray afterward...
They won't use the cast from the original by BenBraddock	Jun 13th, 2007 01:57:54 AM
Sam Elliot was fine but they don't want any connection with the first movie, that's obvious. Hurt is a good actor, but is he gruff enuff?
Viggo Mortensen has chosen HD-DVD...Here's Why... by Darth Fabulous	Jun 13th, 2007 01:59:21 AM
He wanted to reimagine blowing William Hurt's brains out in Blu-Ray...
Should have stuck with Sam Elliott... by Sledge Hammer	Jun 13th, 2007 02:02:43 AM
...not that William Hurt isn't top class, all the same. I guess this is further proof, as if we needed any at this point, that the next Hulk is a completely new beast, with absolutely no ties to the first film, cast wise, crew wise, or thematically.
Hurt seems a little laid back for this role by Spazatronic 2000	Jun 13th, 2007 02:06:10 AM
but maybe hell surprise us with another brilliant performance. And not all Americans are dumb, the people in the blue states are actually pretty smart. ;)
Hurt is cool by SithMenace	Jun 13th, 2007 02:06:34 AM
but this is a miscast.
Let's "Reimagine" Kiss Of The Spider Woman... by Darth Fabulous	Jun 13th, 2007 02:07:24 AM
Starring Shia LaBeouf and Justin Long.
Emil Blonsky...that's all Im sayin. by LordEnigma	Jun 13th, 2007 02:08:22 AM
Seriously, Abomination, that makes the movie alone. Now it's freakin on. Also, the History of VIolence is fucking garbage, until you watch it a few more times. After you watch it without a crowd on Cinemax at 2 in the afternoon. You really dig the fuck out of that movie. Nice to have a new THUNDERBOLT.
Let's Re-Imagine "Brokeback Mountain" by vettebro	Jun 13th, 2007 02:11:38 AM
With Tom Cruise and George Clooney... Dying of AIDS in the end.
KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANN....! by Greigy Just Wanted To Say	Jun 13th, 2007 02:13:14 AM
Sorry kids but there is a severe lack Ricardo Montalban screaming headlines here.
Frank Thomas? by BadMrWonka	Jun 13th, 2007 02:15:13 AM
wait, what?
Can't think of a WORSE choice for this role. by CopOnTheEdge	Jun 13th, 2007 02:20:02 AM
William Hurt is the most understated (read: yawn-inducing) actor of his generation. Does he ever raise his voice?
Cats? by vettebro	Jun 13th, 2007 02:20:26 AM
???
CopOnTheEdge by prbt	Jun 13th, 2007 02:23:01 AM
I'll give you a worse choice: talent-vacuum Brian Cox. Worst - "actor" - ever. But I agree, William Hurt is NOT a great actor.
William Hurt has one expression by WeinerPenis	Jun 13th, 2007 02:24:57 AM
And it's the take-a-shit mask expression, to boot. Why is this guy even tolerated, much less celebrated? He's terrible in everything he does.
"And I Wish To Go On...HURTing You" by Darth Fabulous	Jun 13th, 2007 02:38:32 AM
Not a screaming headline, but a Montalban headline nonetheless.
Sweet... by The Dum Guy	Jun 13th, 2007 02:45:50 AM
Do I smell Oscar?
Hmmm... by nolan bautista	Jun 13th, 2007 02:51:02 AM
..could be good..William Hurt kicked all kinds of ass in "Altered States"..Anybody remember that?
Not as good as elliot by Phategod1	Jun 13th, 2007 02:52:49 AM
There were few bright spots in the Hulk the one of the stand outs was Elliots Thunderbolt.
William Hurt is OK by SlickyVonBoner	Jun 13th, 2007 02:52:57 AM
Ed Norton is awesome. Is there a director yet, does anyone know? The Hulk has always been my favorite comic book character and this redo is looking awesome. Oh yeah, and the Abomination! Though I would like to see the U-Foes.
I remember Altered States! by RighteousBrother	Jun 13th, 2007 02:53:27 AM
weird tripped out Ken Russell at his best!
HULK SUCKED DICK by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell	Jun 13th, 2007 02:57:56 AM
but the hulk himself looked great and i loved the desert stuff. but the picture in picture crap, the shitty clmax, the corny setup for a sequel, and the list goes on and on. disappointingly lame ass movie.
"HURTing You" hahaha by frg10	Jun 13th, 2007 03:19:38 AM

It would be funny, I think, by Franklin T Marmoset	Jun 13th, 2007 03:22:37 AM
if after all these attempts to distance themselves from the Ang Lee'd up Hulk, Louis Leterrier delivered a film that was basically the same as the previous one. Just as dreary and pretentious and humourless and with the exact same ludicrous ending. Well, it would make me laugh, anyway. Christ, how can people stand Ang Lee? That has nothing to do with the TB, but it came out anyway. Sorry about that.
It's Welcome by flossygomez	Jun 13th, 2007 03:35:09 AM
Ang Lees Hulk was such an odd mixture of beauty and silliness. I thank it for trying to rise above the usual tripe but scorn it for it's script inherent logic defects (Art film with birth defects). A really beautiful failure. Let's try again.
Hope the reboot works by rgatz	Jun 13th, 2007 04:08:17 AM
Works as in makes a pile of cash. That way Marvel might just take to rebooting all of the franchises the studio heads have taken to treating like their hooker girlfriends.
As long as it doesnt look like Monsters Inc. this time by Darkcityuk	Jun 13th, 2007 04:11:49 AM
The cast is great so far potentially, the directer has made the Transpaawtah series which where... ok, they were fun i enjoyed them first time. At least they arent films about some guys getting their hair cut. Well that wouldnt have been a very long film for Statham.
prbt - Right there with you by spud mcspud	Jun 13th, 2007 04:23:24 AM
I kind of enjoyed the Ang Lee version. You wouldn't like me when I'm Ang-lee. He he he. Seriously though, the missteps in the Ang Lee version didn't take away from the cool Hulk action. Just think it needed maybe more action and a bit less Nolte-Bana screaming scenes, thought that's just me. I think THE INCREDIBLE HULK could be better though. Only one way to find out: GO SEE THE FUCKIN' MOVIE!!!
William Hurt-Lost in Space. by TomBodet	Jun 13th, 2007 05:15:21 AM
That's how this looks to me. Yeah he's one of the better ones, but this is miscasting. He coulda been Banner if they'd made this in the 80's, say. Well-who knows? Roth and co make for some interesting casting, yes. Norton is good too and ditto Tyler.
The "new" Hulk is now officially D.O.A... by DarkHawke	Jun 13th, 2007 05:19:29 AM
Okay, Norton was a good choice. An unnecessary choice, as Eric Bana was superb as Bruce Banner, but no denying Norton's a great actor. Liv Tyler is more than a little bit of a come-down from the glory that is Jennifer Connelly, but I suppose she could get the job done, given a good director and script. But William "I sleepwalk through most of my roles" Hurt? Gimme a fuckin' break, eh? Why don't they hire Harrison Ford or Kevin Costner if they want someone to look old, detached and bored?! At least those two have done some legit action flicks in their time. If the true intent is to get back to the original comic book incarnation of the Hulk, you need an actor for the role of "Thunderbolt" Ross who can shake the pillars of Heaven with his voice alone. That actor SO isn't William Hurt. That actor IS R. Lee Ermey! Yeah, it would be serious typecasting to get ol' Gunny in there, but who the fuck could get that job done better, huh? In every way that the casting of Speed Racer confirmed to me that it will be the mega-blockbuster of 2008, the casting of this needless "remake" of a movie that was just damn good to begin with only confirms that it'll shit-can itself faster than it's predecessor! As the Man would have it, 'Nuff Said!
Good cast, shit director by half vader	Jun 13th, 2007 05:25:34 AM
They gave this high-profile flick to the director of Transporter. So obviously neither the suits nor the director knows what the hell they're doing. What a waste of a Norton.
Bacci by half vader	Jun 13th, 2007 05:37:48 AM
This movie will have no respect for the source material either (although how people can say Lee's film isn't when the comic IS the Jekyl and Hyde story but even more literal-minded is beyond me), because it's based on the TV show which was a rip-off of the original "The Fugitive" TV series. Don't get your hopes up.
Hurt was OK in... by Rei-Ginsei	Jun 13th, 2007 05:42:28 AM
When they did that mini-series on TNT based on some of King's short stories, Hurt did OK in "Toys". I don't think he ever spoke one line during the entire thing, but it was pretty cool to see him whip an uzi out of his liquor cabinet and start blasting little green army men.
Hurt by Tallguyme	Jun 13th, 2007 05:45:57 AM
Sucks the air out of every scene he is in. He makes Bill Pullman look like Bill Paxton.
Sam Elliott was perfection! by BanAllFIRSTPosters	Jun 13th, 2007 05:52:20 AM
I guess they wanted a total reboot after all.
Hurt - one more for luck by Franklin T Marmoset	Jun 13th, 2007 05:59:37 AM
He can be a little bland at times, but I hate to say anything bad about him because he was in Smoke, which is a film I like very much. I don't know how many people have seen Smoke, but it's worth a look if you like quieter indie-type dramas. It's got Forest Whitaker in it and a young Harold Perineau, plus Harvey Keitel. This has been a public service announcement on behalf of films that are not based on comic books.
Oh, and he was in Dark City by Franklin T Marmoset	Jun 13th, 2007 06:02:44 AM
That's a good one, plus it had Jennifer Connelly on the cusp of becoming the dull 'let's not talk about my boobs' actress she's turned into over the last few years. She was in Ang Lee's Hulk, you know. This is like a Kevin Bacon type of thing. Or something, I don't know.
STEVE BUSCEMI IS THE LEADER! by Uncle Stan	Jun 13th, 2007 06:05:55 AM
Fuck yeah!
Dumbing down by TheLastAngryMan	Jun 13th, 2007 06:14:35 AM
Obviously the first Hulk film was not the kiddy friendly film the studio wanted, so get ready for a brain dead, 'Fantastic Four' take on this franchise. Hollywood can burn in hell, as can all haters of Ang lee's Hulk. BURN!!!
Ang Lee: Raping Childhoods Since 2003 by Laserbrain	Jun 13th, 2007 06:25:50 AM
I like HULK. It's uneven but brilliant in many ways. That it seems to have ruined some talkbackers lives only adds to my enjoyment of it.
Sam Elliott by Mad-Maximus	Jun 13th, 2007 06:26:13 AM
I thought he was perfectly cast. Personally, I actually liked Ang Lee's version.
bull shit sam elliot is the man .... how dare they.. by JeanLuc Dickhard	Jun 13th, 2007 06:44:47 AM
assholes.......
Ang Lee's Hulk was well done but dull. by Yeti	Jun 13th, 2007 06:50:43 AM
It is possible to have charecter development, action and special effects all in the same movie. Hollywood please take note.
Why did you like Ang Lee's Version? by Dokkalvar	Jun 13th, 2007 06:52:50 AM
Because what I saw felt more like a tired exercise in making a comic book movie but completely disconnected with what the original writers of that character were driving at. Ang lee's film insinuated a lot but deep down had no heart. Why did you care for Bruce Banner when Lee gave you nothing to latch on to? Betty and Bruce were obviously still in love dispite some weak script mechanism to keep them apart and nothing in Bana's performance gave you any indication that he was a scarred character. You can say there is a depth here I'm not getting but I just say it's weak story-telling. Sure, kudos to Lee for trying BUT then there are the hulk poodles and the purple stretchy pants that the fan-boys just HAD TO FUCKING HAVE! or the green skin hulk that looks unrealistic in any lighting situation... Good God. I will say this though, the casting was decent just directionless.
Ang Lee me up, Ang Lee by Franklin T Marmoset	Jun 13th, 2007 06:58:10 AM
Then I can be a bit like I am now, but duller and more ponderous and with no sense of humour, and I can have a simplistic, sub-Oprah Winfrey 'issue' of some sort to contend with. That's the ticket! Remake me in your image, Ang Lee! Hamstring me with your dreary pretension!
HO HO HO - Green Giant. by Dokkalvar	Jun 13th, 2007 06:58:15 AM
For my money, I'd say the Hulk from the Incredibles is a nice template. --What? At the very least this thing should play as a Tragedy.
A few reasons Why I liked Ang Lee's Version... by Chishu_Ryu	Jun 13th, 2007 07:21:33 AM
I liked how Ang Lee's HULK was a continuation of a theme in all of Ang Lee's films, that of a repressed being crossing the boundaries. In Crouching Tiger, it was Jen freeing herself from centuries of Chinese repression over women through the Green Destiny sword. In Brokeback Mountain, it was two cowboys finding their true selves atop a lonely mountain. And in Hulk, it was two men (Bruce and David) breaking their own human boundaries set upon them by God. That's deep, man. I liked how all of Hulk's adversaries were Hulk progressions, first you had a Hulk rat, then Hulk dogs, then David became an out-of-control, god-like Hulk. I liked the Danny Elfman music, how it had Eastern and primitive qualities that accentuated the primitive nature of Hulk. I liked how Ang Lee brought Hulk back to his comic book roots in the desert, because where else can an 800 pound green gorilla be free? I guess the Amazon jungle, I suppose. I liked how the multi-angle PIP and morph editing added to the Hulk theme of evolving and alternate realities. Deep, man. I liked the constant visual metaphors Ang Lee peppered throughout the film, how a mushroom cloud and a jellyfish represented the scientific origins of the Hulk, nuclear power and genetics. At the end of the film, David Banner, now out-of-control, growing beyond his human boundaries to the point of being a god, physically morphs into a giant mushroom cloud/jellyfish. And I like the irony that the smartest comic book movie ever made happens to be a mindless character like Hulk. Quite unexpected.
Will we see the Hulk with a beard? by Nice Marmot	Jun 13th, 2007 07:29:13 AM
You know, like we were seconds away from seeing at the end of the last flick?
Robbed Zombie by Abominable Snowcone	Jun 13th, 2007 07:30:35 AM
Regarding your comment about US troops in Iraq. WTF? Our men and women are doing the jobs they signed on to do. The policy isn't up to them. Most people in the states are AGAINST the war, but sadly that same 'most' weren't bright enough to select John Kerry instead of (sort of) re-electing the asshole who got us into this mess. So fuck your comment about 'sending our kids' over to get 'blown away' by the sand people. I have a coworker over there right now (female) and every day I wonder if she's gonna be one of the daily "14 US troops killed in car bomb" attacks.
Leterrier sucks Luc Besson's balls. Won't pay by SpencerTrilby	Jun 13th, 2007 07:31:40 AM
to see him fuck up another movie. He's the French Andrzej Bartkowiak. Or Brett Ratner.
Hulk speaks! by Chishu_Ryu	Jun 13th, 2007 07:36:09 AM
http://www.theonion.com/conten t/node/33980
Ang Lee's Hulk... by Ned Pepper	Jun 13th, 2007 07:42:10 AM
I still don't understand why people hated the first Hulk so intensely. It's one of the more enjoyable comic book movies of recent years, along with the first X-Men flick. I guess they wanted a green Lou Ferrigno. Anyway, here's hoping the new one makes the haters happier, although I seriously doubt anything will ever do that.
The Ang Lee litmus test by half vader	Jun 13th, 2007 07:46:54 AM
Do Lee haters hate him across the board or did they actually enjoy Crouching Tiger but not Hulk? Leterrier sucks no matter what though. His stuff isn't even "so bad it's good". Grrrr.
Sam Elliot was perfect by stvnhthr	Jun 13th, 2007 07:55:47 AM
Sam was one of the few things that worked right in the first one. William is really going to half to up his acting ability to get me to believe he is a gravely voiced hard ass. He initially comes off too intellectually sophisticated to be a blue collar raised Army General. Now if he wants to pull an "Altered States" and turn into a caveman and fight Hulk, that would be cool.
HULK can't jibe with the every fan's dream version by Laserbrain	Jun 13th, 2007 08:07:20 AM
which is, I think, a major reason for its unpopularity on these forums. There will never be a consensus around here on what makes a great comic-book movie because geeks bring too much baggage to the viewing experience of films based on such well-established properties. I felt that, taken on it's own merits, the movie worked- I was entertained and impressed by it's artistry. It wasn't perfect but I didn't need it to be.
half vader: I won't speak by TheNorthlander	Jun 13th, 2007 08:15:13 AM
half vader: I won't speak for the rest of the people here, but I never liked Crouching Tiger. There was nothing new or innovative in it that hadn't been done before a million times and yet just because a lot of people who had never watched a hong kong movie before talked about it like it was something new and exciting. stvnhthr: You're absolutely right about Sam Elliot. Quint: The thing looks like it's shaping up exactly right, but remember that Ang Lee's Hulk also looked exactly right until people actually watched it. The problem was that Lee just didn't understand the comicbook medium.
I hate him across the board, half vader by Franklin T Marmoset	Jun 13th, 2007 08:19:40 AM
The most over-rated director working today. I didn't mind The Ice Storm, but he had that run of Ang Lee-ing different genres that turned me off him. He Ang Lee'd the western (Ride With The Devil) and made it dull, then he Ang Lee'd the chop socky epic (Crouching Tiger) and made it dull, and he finished up by Ang Lee-ing the comic book film (Hulk). I haven't seen Brokeback Mountain, though. Maybe that's not dull at all, I don't know.
Tallguy, Bill Pullman DOES look like Bill Paxton by Darkcityuk	Jun 13th, 2007 08:23:34 AM
i cant differentiate between those two. they just look like sand to me.
I agree with stvnhthr... by cornponious	Jun 13th, 2007 08:25:24 AM
They just don't make men like Sam Elliott any more. And I'm not geigh.
People who hated Ang Lee's HULK... by PwnedByStallone	Jun 13th, 2007 08:28:39 AM
SUCK COCK BY CHOICE!!!
Watching Ang Lee's Hulk was like watching.. by Borgnine JR	Jun 13th, 2007 08:39:36 AM
.."A Passage to India" in German. And I don't speak German. And Marmoset, I agree with what you said about the dulling, and deflating of Jennifer Connelly. If she really cared about her fans she'd fatten her puppies up again.
I loved The Hulk (still do) by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	Jun 13th, 2007 08:39:47 AM
This project does not excite me. I'll still keep an open mind.
I prefer Sam Elliot and Jennifer Connelly by MRJONZ72	Jun 13th, 2007 08:44:01 AM
That's all.
All this talk of Lee's films being "dull" by Laserbrain	Jun 13th, 2007 08:49:56 AM
Just let me say what is dull for some may be considered measured and lyrical by others. Not to disrespect anyone's subjective definition of "dull" by the way.
interesting by tonamania	Jun 13th, 2007 08:54:26 AM
Sam Elliott was the best character depiction in the 1st; he's not going to be topped. Hurt might work out as long as he doesn't go over the top (think Baldwin in Pearl Harbor). At least it's not Matthew Modine. Here's hoping it works out ...
Will He Have A Mecha Assistant named David? by uss cygnus	Jun 13th, 2007 08:59:05 AM
Get in the submarine, Betty. We're going to find the Blue Fairy.
casting is interesting for this sequel by palewook	Jun 13th, 2007 09:02:34 AM
although the casting for the 1st hulk wasn't its weak point either. (ok, nolte was bad.)
First one was pretty good but needed fine tuning by Knobules	Jun 13th, 2007 09:04:28 AM
All the parts were there, it was the pacing or something that just made it tedious. Maybe Hulk can rip Paris Hilton to shreds in the next one. Id buy that for a dollar.
h8rs by tonamania	Jun 13th, 2007 09:08:00 AM
the haters have to stop about hulk 1. It was a decent movie with many flaws - remove the flaws and it would have been very good. The flaws: poor pacing; inconsistent CGI; not enough action (Hulk = action; if you disagree, go read dr. strange or something) and lack of a real antagonist (Banner's subconscious doesn't count). Arguably Bana wasn't the best choice for Banner; maybe for a repressed Banner, but then a repressed Banner wasn't the best choice. It sorta' worked, but it really didn't. Ang did a hell of a job, but was looking at it completely from a grown-up psyche pov. He probably needed to look at it more from a kid's 'smash and break things is cool' pov.
Huh? William Hurt as General Ross? by jimmy_009	Jun 13th, 2007 09:26:19 AM
Yeah that makes no sense seeing as how he's a big pansy.
On the polarisation of the Hulk debate by Franklin T Marmoset	Jun 13th, 2007 09:29:29 AM
There exists this myth, for some reason, that those who dislike Ang Lee's Hulk have no stomach for 'measured and lyrical' films - that we only we want to see some smash 'em, crash 'em action. It's as though you have to pick one of two camps, like it or not. Now, if I absolutely HAD to choose between only those two sides, I would take my place with the pro-Hulk crowd, simply because I mostly like that kind of thing. (Mostly). Intelligent, mature, insightful, all that. Check out my recommended film of the day Smoke if you want to know the kind of thing I mean. It's pretty good. Thing is, I just don't like it when Ang Lee does it. He's a dreary and pretentious man, and he makes (in my humble opinion) dreary and pretentious films. Quite why he thought it was good idea to make the film deadly dull whenever the Hulk wasn't around escapes me. Also, I really don't like psycho-babble of the type he tried to pass off as serious drama, but maybe that's because I'm English. We don't like to deal with our issues and make breakthroughs and whatnot over here - we keep all that stuff nicely repressed and drown it in beer when it gets out of hand. That is the proper way to do things, not mope and cry because your daddy did a very bad thing when you were a kid. In conclusion, um... I don't know. I swear I had a point. I swear! Let's just say, Frank votes NO on proposition Hulk. That'll do. I really shouldn't drink at lunchtimes...
It's NOT a remake by Chief Redcock	Jun 13th, 2007 09:39:45 AM
The producers have said repeatedly that this is a sequel that takes a different tack than the first... not an actual "remake" or "restart."
The "Ned Racine" type William Hurt??? by Boris Baddenov	Jun 13th, 2007 09:45:36 AM
If Hurt portrays Thunderbolt Ross the way he played the manipulated (and DOOMED) weaselly lawyer Ned Racine in Body Heat, then we'll have a quite laconic -- and unexpressive -- hard-ass Army general!
DarkHawke & Chishu_Ryu by the__natural74	Jun 13th, 2007 09:54:25 AM
I was going to type my opinion, but DarkHawke pretty much said it for me. And I was impressed w/ Chishu_Ryu's statement too. Well done guys...in fact, this is the most polite debate on the first Hulk movie I've read on AICN before! BOTTOM LINE for me on the new flick: Don't like the idea, but I'll keep an open mind. HURT is not a good choice, and I'm still not comfortable w/ NORTON either. BANA and the legendary ELLIOT were great in the first film and any bad memories people have of Lee's movie would be trashed with a successful new version with at least Bana and Elliot returning. To me, the worst thing a comic adaptation movie can do is change the main actors from sequel to sequel.
There aren't enough ANGRY movies in my opinion by Mutant Leader	Jun 13th, 2007 10:11:25 AM
I mean, off hand, what do we have, basically? Slasher movies, Bad Boys with Sean Penn, Fight Club and that's IT. The first one was okay but the Hulk looked way too CUTE! They need to make him look like a big angry BEAST and use Bad Boys as a template in my opinion.
Franklin by Laserbrain	Jun 13th, 2007 10:16:02 AM
I wasn't saying you don't have the stomach for films that are lyrical and measured, I was just saying that, for me, Ang Lee's films meet the definition. They aren't my idea of dull even though they may happen to be yours. _________What I do find encouraging about these Hulk TBs is that there are many here who like the film while still being able to suggest flaws. Not so polarized a debate as you might think. Thanks for the civilized discussion by the way. Cheers.
That's too bad, Sam Elliot is the hotness. by superninja	Jun 13th, 2007 10:17:30 AM

Just got off the phone with Hulk and... by Puddleglum	Jun 13th, 2007 10:18:12 AM
he was surprised that this sequel is shaping up to look pretty decent. But what he still ponders is why Rambo gets to rip heads off anonymous Burmese villains, but he's doomed to cross the globe running from a guy nicknamed "Thunderbolt". Hulk puzzled.
Pity there's a shit director on board by kwisatzhaderach	Jun 13th, 2007 10:21:25 AM
So all the fanboys will drool over this prospect for the next year and then somehow be surprised when they see it that the movie stinks. Despite the fact they already know there is a shit director on board. It's a crazy world.
HULK was pretty painful to sit through, BUT... by odysseus	Jun 13th, 2007 10:29:53 AM
...it had one of the best extended action sequences ever. I'm talkin' about his desert rampage. AW YEAH!
William Hurt is the f'n man by Heckles	Jun 13th, 2007 10:40:02 AM
Dude does not work enough. This movie will be better with him in it.
casting by ByTor	Jun 13th, 2007 10:40:43 AM
I don't think Hurt is an upgrade from Elliot, but I do think he can pull it off. It won't be a typical Thunderbolt Ross-type performance, but I think it can work. I also don't mind Liv Tyler at all -- somehow she seems to exude a hotness beyond her physical appearance. To me, anyway. MS Jennifer came off as too frumpy. But we'll see.
it may not be an upgrade... by just pillow talk	Jun 13th, 2007 10:54:17 AM
but it sure isn't a downgrade, and at least they got someone else good. I'm pretty amazed at this cast and Iron Man's. Not too shabby.
Quint, you're just making a dildo of yourself... by TheRealRatigan	Jun 13th, 2007 10:54:32 AM
...with these groaner headlines. Can't someone stop the lameness foisted here by you?
Hurt is all wrong for this role by GreatCzarsGhost	Jun 13th, 2007 11:21:29 AM
William Hurt is a soft talking nice guy actor, not a hard charging army General. I don't ever recall him even yelling in a movie and General Thunderbolt Ross YELLS A LOT. Kirby even had spit coming out of his mouth why he was barking out orders to the Hulkbuster elite troops. And how are they going to get a Pansie guy like Hurt to put a Cigar in his mouth?? I'm interested in the other people cast so far but William Hurt is wrong as General Ross. Ain't no Thunderbolts there.
William Hurt???!!!!!WTF!!! by ChiTownsBest	Jun 13th, 2007 11:21:37 AM
He's a great actor but he's got to be the last actor you would think of playing General Ross. I thought Sam Elliot looked perfect as Ross. The only thing missing was that there was no focus on how determined he was to capture the Hulk. William Hurt looks nothing like Ross and really doesn't have the intensity needed for this. This choice sounds like they are just trying to get actors who have names so they can fool people into thinking this will be a great movie . I was excited when I heard about Edward Norton but this piece of casting makes me wonder what direction it's going.
Hurt 'n Hulk by oisin5199	Jun 13th, 2007 11:25:16 AM
I do think Hurt is an odd choice for Ross - but he is a fantastic actor. And History of Violence was freaking brilliant - I'd never seen a film that dealt with those issues so poignantly and disturbingly. And the first Hulk was its own unique film that will always be controversial - I do think it was too smart for average audiences. And I love it when people complain that it wasn't true to the comics. First, I think calling it an Oedipal complex is a knee-jerk, pop-psychology response to the father situation and totally misreads the plot. But almost every element of the film had already been in the comics before the film was made - abusive father, murdered mother, tendency for repressed rage BEFORE the accident. Even the damn Hulk dogs that everyone bitches about were already in the comic (the only difference was they worked for the military and not Banner's father). Granted, the whole Rick Jones subplot would have been cool, but still. Lee's film was completely faithful to the themes that the comic has dealt with. Now I'm curious how they'll deal with the Blonsky story.
If this next Hulk film is a big success.... by tjrmusic	Jun 13th, 2007 11:31:39 AM
Perhaps it will send a message to the rest of the film industry that you don't have to be married to the continuity of these comic book franchises for the next 10 years. I liked the last Hulk film (A few people didn't). Those few, who didn't, clearly will be glad to see a different directorial vision. I also have no problem with seeing a different movie take on the character either. Different art and writer teams do their own take on these characters in the comic books after all. In the end I was disappointed with Bryan Singer's take on Superman (Although it was an interesting idea). I didn't want a revival of the 70's franchise. And I hate the idea that that we are going to be stuck with that for the next X number of movies (simply because the studio thinks that it has too). It would be great if Warner's could just say "Well Superman returns was an interesting idea, now let's let someone else try something different".
Is there any chance... by Colonel Activity	Jun 13th, 2007 11:36:14 AM
that there'll be "hulk" cats in this? And will The Hulk fuck them?
Hulk Smash Hurt!! er Hulk Hurt Smash er by mr dark	Jun 13th, 2007 11:53:09 AM
Smash Hurt Hulk Er. Hulk confused , Hulk need nap.
Sam Elliott was a bright spot... by deathstar73	Jun 13th, 2007 12:01:28 PM
in what was otherwise a pretty dismal film. That movie was just bad all the way around.
Aww, I liked Sam Elliot by Volstaff	Jun 13th, 2007 12:07:08 PM
But William Hurt is a terrific actor. But seriously, you know who would've been an amazing General Ross besides Elliot?? Robert Duvall baby! I can see why all the cast changes, but the cast wasn't the problem with the first one.
Meh, meh I say by Abominable Snowcone	Jun 13th, 2007 12:11:09 PM
Sam Elliot is good, but casting him as Ross was almost too obvious, what with his rugged features, handsome batteship grey hair, and his accent. Maybe the part just wasn't written well, because instead of coming off as a great Sam Elliott performance, it just seemed like your average stereotypical narrow-minded army general (or colonel, or WTF)
My pick: Tom Skerritt by Abominable Snowcone	Jun 13th, 2007 12:13:18 PM
You know I'm right. I'll pay $5 extra for my ticket if Liv Tyler has a nude lesbian love scene.
Master Replicas by EdRyder	Jun 13th, 2007 12:13:48 PM
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Meanwhile..... by Forestal	Jun 13th, 2007 12:21:14 PM
AICN doesn't give a rat's ass that John Hurt's been cast in Indiana Jones 4.....Give me a break..
I like the first Hulk. I just turn it off before by SkeletonParty	Jun 13th, 2007 12:23:14 PM
Hulk fights Galactus at the end.
Hulk Best Marvel Movie by Saltoner	Jun 13th, 2007 12:28:08 PM
I unfortunately seem to be the only one who thinks the first Hulk movie is incredible, pun intended. It's better than any other Marvel movie with the exception of maybe Spider-Man 2. Hulk 2 is shaping up to easily be the best Marvel/superhero movie EVER!
"Semi-sequel/reboot" ... B. Singer, are you listening? by Snookeroo	Jun 13th, 2007 12:33:17 PM
When you screw the pooch, admit it and start all over. Don't keep trying to polish a turd.
Keep bringin' comic book characters to the big screen! by JDanielP	Jun 13th, 2007 12:36:28 PM
And do a clobberin' good job of it, will you?
No Saltoner,you ain't alone in that by EdRyder	Jun 13th, 2007 12:37:00 PM
But , I dont even have any flesh and bone friends who agree with me Hulk was a great film.
Elliot Rules by Ky-El	Jun 13th, 2007 12:51:53 PM
Hurt is a great actor but doesn't have near the gravitas or menace of ole Sam as Thunderbolt.
Deja Vu all over again... by Long Tooth	Jun 13th, 2007 12:58:33 PM
Everything seems to be coming together in a really weird and distinguished way...just like the first film. Could this be a case of those not learning from history in danger of repeating it?
Straight to DVD by jasper Stillwell	Jun 13th, 2007 01:02:15 PM
Norton is the 'actor of his generation' who is stuck in a B-moive rut at present, as is Roth and indeed, it seems, Hurt. All are intruiging actors but all are in the career doldrums which implies that the script ain't 'all that' as it stands. The choice of director here confirms this and this casting also reinforces those signals and I fear that this will be fairly mindless and artless when compared to Lee's original film. Hurt is an interesting casting choice if this were being handled by Cronenberg (now THERE'S an idea for film 3!) but alas not. Elliot was the perfect Thunderbolt Ross and this casting worries me a little. I just hope Elliot's out there watching the Dude, "...takin' it easy for us sinners..."
Brian Cox, Brian Dennehy (younger), Fred Thompson by nexxus7	Jun 13th, 2007 01:02:48 PM
Even though it might seem like typecasting, since he was so great in X3, Brian Cox would be ideal for this role. 2nd choice would be a 15 years younger Brian Dennehy, 3rd would be Fred Thompson if he wasn't running for Prez.
Andy Griffith as Thunderbolt by bobster52	Jun 13th, 2007 01:31:10 PM
Andy Griffith as Thunderbolt Ross. He can do loud and mean. Plus he has plenty of white hair.
Up next on the studio remake list by BillyPilgrim	Jun 13th, 2007 01:34:56 PM
One Flew Over The Cuckoos nest starring Shia LaBeouf.
My Two Cents by Jack Shepherd	Jun 13th, 2007 01:45:47 PM
I don't give a shit who's in it, this movie will make four bucks at the box office. Don't they know that it's TOO SOON for a Hulk reboot? That's just how devastating the first film's "failure" was. Norton, Hurt and everyone else involved will forever be known as second stringers...and that's word to your mother!
There was a movie out last year called by emeraldboy	Jun 13th, 2007 02:08:44 PM
the marine starring john Cena. It was about a marine plyed by JOhn Cena. On a mission of revenge to take down the bad guys. Its out now on Dvd. Dont worry I havent seen it and have no intention of seeing it. The reason I mention this. is this is kind of movie those who hated the first hulk movie possibly saw and want more of. Ie the Marine is Dumb dumb, dumb lots of explosions and high body count and minimal dialoug. It was reviewed on a tv3 review show popcorn in the section called on the shelves. You can either have two types of comic books. A comic book movie with a brain or a marine like comic book movie.
History of Violence was low budget HBO drivel. by W3bzpinn3r	Jun 13th, 2007 02:15:23 PM
The whole movie reeked of amateurs. If it weren't for the language and nudity, it would have been a Lifetime Original Movie.
Zak Penn + Shitty cast = Fuck this movie. by Dude Man 1234	Jun 13th, 2007 02:18:36 PM
I really don't understand why so many people are saying this movie has a better cast than Hulk. Edward Norton? Sure, he used to be a great actor, but in the past few years he's been sleepwalking through most of his movies. Liv Tyler? Are you fucking kidding me? Jennifer Connelly wasn't terrific, but she's actually an actor. Tim Roth is a goddamned wonderful actor, but he loses against the double awesomeness of Nick Nolte and Sam Elliott. Same with Bill Hurt; great actor, but compared to Sam Elliott, it's like George Clooney compared to Christian Bale. By the way, Zak Penn? Zak fucking Penn? The writer of Elektra and X-Men: The Last Stand? I hope you all enjoy this fucking waste of time. I sure won't.
I imagine this will flop, unless it has kickass trailer by SoylentMean	Jun 13th, 2007 02:35:05 PM
People aren't going to get that this is "a whole new property" all they're gonna think is "Man, that last Hulk movie sucked". It is interesting that they're moving ahead so quickly with this "re-imagining" but it's for $$$$ so it's really not that surprising. If they make it a straightforward Hulk Smash flick it could be cool.
I actually think total reboots for comic films is good by DanDelion	Jun 13th, 2007 02:46:28 PM
Regardless of how good or bad the previous installments were, the people involved had their shot, I want to see someone new involed. It would really reflect the differences of comic books- changing artists and writers to get entirely different tones out of something. While I like and appreciate keeping the same actors, changing everyone up for comic franchises doesn't seem like such a bad idea- assuming the stories are kept standalone.
I think it's starting to look... by TheHorror	Jun 13th, 2007 02:47:23 PM
AWESOME!!! Then again I also liked the first one! To be fair though a big green monster throwing a tank half way across Nevada is worth watching in my book. Can't wait for the trailer
HULK was "misunderstood" by President Evil	Jun 13th, 2007 02:49:52 PM
'Just like every other shitty movie the apologists on AICN try to defend.
as with FF2 by mrbong	Jun 13th, 2007 03:01:04 PM
as long as Jack Black is not in it, well, the film can't be all that bad.
My only problem with the HULK by pjdon	Jun 13th, 2007 03:25:43 PM
was the fact that there was no real anger scene. There where plenty of him smashing stuff but I wanted some kind of bullying scene. You know what I mean, a scene where you feel really bad for banner, your shouting at the screen for him to change and teach them a lesson. The only time they got that kind of emotion going was in the last scene in the jungle. 'No! They can't take the poor peoples medicine! Kill them HULK!' But then the film ended. Other than that I thought it was an amazing film, so deep, so interesting. And that editing, it should have won an Oscar for that.
Hmmm...new and improved? by Cellar Door	Jun 13th, 2007 03:26:23 PM
I don't know. I'm one of "them" who liked Lee's Hulk...I don't think you didn't understand it and I did or some bullkack like that...I just liked it nuff said..sure the end fight scene was off and the hulk-dogs kinda dumb-ish. But Connely and Bana were great castings and Elliot was perfect for Ross. Not too mention Nolte is just plain bat-shit crazy so that worked up till the psuedo-"absorbing man" nonsense. But thematically I really liked Hulk a lot and certainly consider it far superior to the shite of late like FF, DD, Elektra, Cat-Woman, etc. Hurt is a great actor for character drama but not so sure about actions movies. I hope this works but there's an inherent awkwardness with Hulk so recent but who knows...
Hulk Smash Talk Backs.... Arrrgggh by JasonEdwards80	Jun 13th, 2007 03:39:41 PM
Be not sad for Hulk casting, just be Happy Hulk get extra movie for Hulk to Smash things, Puny humans. Also check out Hulk Smash Everyone in World War Hulk on Sale now... Rarwhhgg
Okay now I'm officially skeptical by CherryValance	Jun 13th, 2007 04:02:50 PM
The Ed Norton thing didn't bother me that much. Although I really couldn't picture him in the role, I figured that he's a good actor, so he'll work it out. Now casting William Hurt makes me think they're trying too hard. William Hurt is one of those guys who everyone is supposed to think is a great actor. So in a way hiring him gives your movie, non-street cred. It's like snob cred. So having both of them in it, makes me wonder what they're trying to do. They also could be trying to replicate Batman casting, which they're not doing because that cast actually is cool. This one just seems like it should be cool. And Tim Roth is official, right? Yeah, this movie might be too hip for me.
...trying to replicate Batman casting by C00L DUD3	Jun 13th, 2007 04:11:41 PM
Yeah, I'm a bit perplexed as well. I mean what exactly is a semi-sequel, anyway?? And, I still don't know how I feel about all of this Batman redux... Especially this "new-ish" joker nonsense...No one will ever top Jack!!
I was very skeptical about the by pjdon	Jun 13th, 2007 04:14:28 PM
director but then I remembered he directed Danny the Dog (Unleashed here in the UK). The action in that film is brilliant and it also very emotional. Watching just the Transporter films would make you believe he is of TIm Story or Micheal BAy quality but watch Danny the Dog and you'll agree that this man does have a lot of talent. Also the soundtrack is by Massive Attack - Greastest band in history.
No, Steve Buscemi is JACK McGEE!!! by Nosferatu Jones	Jun 13th, 2007 04:38:05 PM
I will hold out hope for this until they pay off Kenneth Johnson to use this character in THE INCREDIBLE HULK '08.
I don't hate Ang Lee... by bswise	Jun 13th, 2007 04:46:33 PM
He's got a lot of talent, and an eye for beauty, but all of his movies leave me kind of cold. (Especially Brokeback Mountain, which was as cold as cowboy balls.) The only one he directed that I really liked was Sense and Sensibility, but that had more to do with Emma Thompson and Kate Winslet. His hulk had its moments, but was... ponderous, in a slow-motion flash-back-itis kind of way. I missed Hulk having dialogue, too. Now, Bill Hurt can pull off Gen. Ross, and I like Elliot's take, but it should have been Nick Nolte's role from the get-go. I reckon Leterrier's Hulk will be all about action and smashing shit, so they better take their time and do it right. Well, this one's going to have The Abomination, let's hope the movie's not one.
Ang Lee made a damn good movie by krushjudgement	Jun 13th, 2007 04:46:56 PM
I still watch it. I like it better than any of the X-Men movies. In my book only Spiderman 2 tops it. And that includes Batman Begins.
First Hulk Sucked by hallmitchell	Jun 13th, 2007 05:42:06 PM
Only made 20 millon more than Ghost Rider and he's heaps more recognisable than Ghost Rider. Like what I'm hearing so far. Except for that fact that are going CG Hulk again - lacks gritty realism.
I just finished The Hulk (again) by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	Jun 13th, 2007 05:56:17 PM
The TB spurred me to watch it again with a overtly critical eye. I really think it's a top notch film, but I can see why so many thought otherwise i.e. needed more action (on that I disagree). There are clearly a few on this board that feel the same way I do. I really can't see the faults that others find. I understand them, I just don't agree. It's my favorite Marvel film. I'm trying to keep an open mind about this new one, but the casting isn't doing anything for me. Great actors, sure, just the wrong choice. But it's very early. I thought Bana, Connelly, Nolte and Elliot were perfect. I have low hopes about this one, but as I said early, I'm trying to keep an open mind. sigh
Ang Lee by McClane_Corleone	Jun 13th, 2007 07:05:05 PM
sucks. I don't care.
Hulk is about... by Boober	Jun 13th, 2007 07:17:41 PM
one man's inner conflict and GIANT MONSTERS RAMPAGING. Please stop with the Ang Lee stuff. The absorbing man concept was strip-mined and corrupted and his father popped like a giant water zit at the end. Wow...
P.S. by Boober	Jun 13th, 2007 07:18:54 PM
If you want your mythic duality, bring on the Abomination.
To bad Nolte was in the first one by ewokstew	Jun 13th, 2007 07:20:40 PM
slap a mustache and 15-25 pounds on that man and call him Thunderbolt.
Moriartys rant against fox and new reviews by mr dark	Jun 13th, 2007 07:26:22 PM
Gone? How Sad Indeed.. Memflix? Going National?
Indy 4 by REDD	Jun 13th, 2007 08:16:22 PM
I heard Hurt has also signed on to Indy 4.
Hurt and Walken should be in a movie together. by WONKABAR	Jun 13th, 2007 10:59:18 PM
Any scene with the two of them talking would be just like...a mind-fuck. Don't even bother with punctuation if you know they're gonna be cast Mr. Script man. Fuck, I'm almost going into a trance right now just imagining it. Jesus
godamned HULK POODLE. by samsquanch	Jun 13th, 2007 11:05:12 PM
I liked a lot of the first Hulk movie, but there were things in that film that were so awful they eclipsed anything worthwhile. I'm down with a remake. Dumb it down, even, give us another option. I'll still have my original Hulk DVD.
Finally treating comic book films like comic books by ShaunTheEdifice	Jun 14th, 2007 12:01:50 AM
Nobody cares when a comic book character or story is reimagined in comic form. In fact, I almost feel like it's expected by the audience. Seems like comic book fans and audiences don't care that much about failed story lines and lame outings, as long as they eventually deliver the goods. We are far too forgiving.
Ang Lees Hulk by SlickyVonBoner	Jun 14th, 2007 12:24:08 AM
Was HORRIBLE! I tried really hard to like it. The action sequence in the desert is the only decent part of the movie. Out of all of the Hulk villians, Abomination, Leader, Modok. They came up with Absorbing Man as his FATHER and hulk dogs, one being a POODLE. I challenge anyone to logically explain what was going on in that film. I hate villians who are insane for no reason. Why was Banner's father trying to reconcile with his son one second, then trying to kill him the next? What the fuck happened at that military base in the flashbacks? Hulk is part starfish? Dudes, the classic gamma-bomb orgin story would have made more sense than that.
Maybe us Lee Hulk fans can enjoy this one too by EdRyder	Jun 14th, 2007 12:27:18 AM
I am in love with Lees Hulk.And I really didnt care for The Transporter,.But man,Transporter 2 was so over the top stupid,something inside me justkeeps sayin"You know itl be a good time".A reboot of all these comics can do us some good.Maybe the third Hulk can get to Jarellas world after all.I just wish more had an appreciation for Lees like I do.But then again,Im that talkbacker who takes a beating when I let loose my hatred for Superman 1 and 2...HeWhoCannotBeNamed:You made the Christmas card list too
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World War Hulk sounds good.. by Cotton McKnight	Jun 14th, 2007 12:44:21 AM
Anybody read about that? He's coming back from exile in space to take out on the ones who sent him there.. Mr. Fantastic and Iron Man.
Boner by Chishu_Ryu	Jun 14th, 2007 01:12:35 AM
I've got some time on my hands before beddy-byes so I'll politely answer your questions/gripes for you... Sometimes insanity doesn't need a reason. Sometimes people just go over the edge. Sometimes they're born that way. I have a relative who's crazy and we're still not sure why. But maybe David Banner is crazy because he's a bipolar schizo genius, because he accidentally created a monster, because he killed his wife, because he spent 20+ years in military solitary confinement with a lot of really bad baggage. Could be any one of those, but reasons were there for you... David Banner's main reason for seeking out his son was to finish the experiments he originally started, to discover the secrets he originally sought, that is, to expand beyond "our God-given boundaries." And Bruce contained that secret within his DNA. David wanted to kill Bruce at the end simply because Bruce/Hulk attacked him. (David wasn't trying to kill him with the Hulk dogs, only to test the limits of Hulk's power, all part of the experiment). In the flashbacks, David sets off a gamma bomb on the base. The starfish at the beginning, as well as all the other animals, showed us that this Hulk's origins also stemmed from genetic experimentation. There had to be something inherent in Bruce for him to turn into a Hulk when exposed to lethal doses gamma radiation. In physical reality, anyone would die from that, or in a logical comic book reality, everyone would turn into a Hulk, which is kind of silly. David Banner's initial genetic experiments on himself which created a genetically altered Bruce came from his research on the regenerative and primitive DNA of starfish, jellyfish, lizards, and other animals. It's why we saw them in the opening credits. In Ang Lee's film, Hulk is thus a physical abomination of the two most powerful physical forces on Earth, nuclear energy and genetics. So this really makes more sense than the comic's original gamma bomb origin, because otherwise everyone would turn into a Hulk which is silly, because logically everyone should die when exposed to a gamma/nuclear bomb explosion. A scientific genius Stan Lee was not. Anyway, I hope this cleared up a few things for you. Regards.
Robbed Zombie, you should be ashamed of yourslelf... by Coughlins Laws	Jun 14th, 2007 01:20:40 AM
What kind of a fuckin scumbag would say something like you just did? I've been comin here to this site for over 5 years and I've never read anything so dispicible. Because people don't like a movie you like they deserve to die in a war? There's no place for your fucked up diatribes on this talkback. Those poor kids goin over there believe in what they're doing and signed up for it and for you to make light of it because most people don't like the Hulk? That's just fucked up. May God have mercy on your tortured soul.
And BTW, I didn't particularly like The Hulk, either... by Coughlins Laws	Jun 14th, 2007 01:28:04 AM
It just seems a hard sell for a movie. The movie took itself too seriously, took WAY too long to get going, and the Hulk itself isn't really a hero. He can't control himself while his powers are present and he has to wait for someone to piss him off. He's just not a superhero in the sense of Batman, Superman, Spiderman, etc. I just think that makes it hard to root for him or know what to root for. It's kind of like having King Kong as a character.
David Banner/Absorbing Man concept by Chishu_Ryu	Jun 14th, 2007 01:38:58 AM
Officially, David Banner wasn't the Absorbing Man, he had a power that was similar to Absorbing's. The main idea behind Banner Sr. absorbing things is that is represented who he was as a scientist. What are scientists but "absorbing" sponges of the natural world around them. Scientists seek, question, observe, and experiment in an effort to "absorb" knowledge. Knowledge is power. Knowledge is the key to bettering the self. And this was Banner's ultimate goal. So with Hulk experiment turned on himself, David Banner becomes an abominable symbol of what he is, one who absorbs. But he can't control it, and thus begins to absorb reality itself. He reaches the scientists ultimate goal, he absorbs the secrets of the universe, of God, itself. And he can't handle it. And thus we have the really crazy ending for Ang Lee's Hulk...
Yeah, I would've forgiven alot of the drawn out build by Coughlins Laws	Jun 14th, 2007 02:00:51 AM
up if the climax lasted longer and came off more satisfying. First of all, David Banner absorbed the floor earlier, physical matter. How did he know he could absorb electricity without it killing him? That seemed like an awfully big chance to take. And then he grabs his son, sends him hurtling through the sky that was pitch black so it was hard to see, end up in a lake, still hard to see, tries to absorb him (what the fuck?), and then all of a sudden, the Hulk could seem to think? "Hey Dad, absorb this!!!!!!!!!!!" , lake gets blown up but not the Hulk, he then seems to get away as the Hulk but now all of a sudden can't be tracked by army, but now can think well enough to hide, etc, etc, etc. Totally ludicrous climax in every way...
Edward Norton by Franklin T Marmoset	Jun 14th, 2007 02:19:58 AM
Anyone thinking Norton is stuck in a rut or sleepwalking through roles should check out the recent Down In The Valley. It's a good film, and Norton is excellent in it. Again, it's another quiet indie type of thing, which I know is not too popular around here, but it's worth a look if you like that stuff. I loved it.
David Banner by Chishu_Ryu	Jun 14th, 2007 02:20:27 AM
David Banner was obviously a genius in the film. It's not impossible that he could deduce the extent of his new powers, perhaps he even experimented with electricity in a scene we never saw. Or perhaps (and this is what I'd think) he was just freaking insane out of his mind. As for the Hulk suddenly being able to think, if you notice throughout the film, (and I assume you didn't), the Hulk was evolving throughout the film. When we first see him, he is only about eight feet tall with a baby's face. He even acts like a baby in reaction to seeing his father. The next time we see him, he is about fifteen feet tall, his facial features more like an adult's. When we see him in the desert battle, he is a full twenty feet tall. We even see him problem solving, using the tank as a shield against the other tanks, we even see him pull a heroic act at the Golden Gate Bridge. The Hulk is growing from a "baby" to an "adult". In keeping with this "evolving" theme in the film, it only makes sense that our "growing, evolving" Hulk would eventually talk when he screams to his father "Take it all!" And in the end, the lake does not blow up, David Banner as the giant absorbing thing absorbs the energy of the nukes and, in essence, saves his son. After the blast, we Bruce is fully conscious, but the Army assumes they killed them both with the nukes, so it's surmisable that Bruce is able to slip away in the dark. Not such a ludicrous climax if you think about it. Hope this helps Coughlin...
I'm not that big a follower of the comic book by Coughlins Laws	Jun 14th, 2007 02:33:33 AM
but I thought that he got bigger the madder he got. I didn't think it had anything to do with maturity. Anyway, I think why the film didn't work for a lot of people was becasue it didn't know what it wanted to be. It was a serious movie, a Shakesperian tragedy, a love story, a silly comic book, those ridiculous panels it split into to make it "feel" like a comic book.
Coughlin by Chishu_Ryu	Jun 14th, 2007 02:40:57 AM
Hulk's size in the comics changed according to which artist was drawing him. His size never changed (as far as I know) within a story. The "evolving" Hulk concept is Ang Lee's/James Schamus's. But actually, Hulk did evolve in the comics over decades, so perhaps Ang Lee was also representing this "evolution" within the film. And the "ridiculous" panels weren't just to make the film like a comic book, go back and watch the film again if you can stand it. The panel-style editing and digital morphing represented the "evolving" theme of the film and the concept of alternate realities, alternate selves, as in the Hulk. Ang Lee even stated this in an interview I read somewhere...
THE HULK ABIDES... by polyh3dron	Jun 14th, 2007 06:26:48 AM
I dunno about you but I take comfort in that.
I liked the first one, too. by leavittj1982	Jun 14th, 2007 07:14:21 AM
I gotta say, the first one was really well-made and thoughtfully produced. It actually gave a better origin story for the Hulk character than even the comics themselves had provided. My only complaint with the film? The unrealistically durable nature of those purple pants. I mean, c'mon; the guy nearly tripples in size and they STILL stay on? HOW!?!? But then, it was probably for the best that we never had to set eyes on what we would have otherwise seen. My only beef with the Hulk story as a whole is that, while it is, theoretically, possible for a person to grow three times bigger in even a very short amount of time, it vexes the imagination as to how one might similarly three times smaller in any amount of time. But, I suppose that is part of the suspending of disbelief that we viewers must always execute to some extent when in the theatre.
I might also add... by leavittj1982	Jun 14th, 2007 07:23:18 AM
I might also add that, in my humble opinion, one of the primary reasons for Ang's Hulk to have bombed at theatres here in the U.S. was that the movie was apparently too deep for many viewers, who seemed to have found the classically tragic and moving nature of the film to have been over-their-heads. Also, there were the die-hard Lou Ferrigno fans who found it too difficult to grasp the complexity of the notion that something just over two meters tall cannot possibly execute the feats of strength displayed by the Hulk of comicdom: scientifically speaking, no body so short could ever, EVER twirl a tank around and toss it a quarter of a mile. But die-hards are die-hards, and comicbook geeks pay the bills, or don't pay them, as the case was for Ang's unjustly unappreicated gift to Marvel Entertainment.
Excuses Excuses. by Dokkalvar	Jun 14th, 2007 07:51:03 AM
Just because a movie has a lot of weighty ideas doesn't necessarily mean that it's a good movie. To be sure Ang Lee had a lot of geeky reasons for why the hulk was but none of those highfalutin notions congealed into a good narrative. I also had beef with Banner basically being a genetic mutant. Honestly, if his wild transformation isn't something we can relate to (the audience being comprised of only 1% mutants) then who the fuck cares? The Hulk is more or less Mr Hyde, and his trigger for becoming this destructive abomination should have come from a more dirty human place like your typical 'roid freaks not something as convenient as, "Oh, his father mutated him... nothing to see here." I'm yawning just thinking about it. I will confess that I've never read the classic hulk stories, only a synopsis and what modern writers have chosen to do with him. Maybe Lee's movie is faithful..? Then again the golden-age flash got his powers through hard water :-/ Should Hollywood writers stay faithful to that?
More original ruminations on comic book characters by Franklin T Marmoset	Jun 14th, 2007 08:28:31 AM
Like that one above about Hulk's shorts. Can any woman handle Superman's super sperm? Speaking of Superman, how come no one recognises him when he has glasses on? Hey, don't you think it's odd that Bruce Wayne is always hanging around with that young Robin fellow? Can Mr Fantastic stretch his weiner? You know, so he would have a really big cock? etc. Anyway, thanks leavittj1982. Those were a funny couple of posts. Hulk: "apparently too deep for many viewers". Zing! Hilarious. You crack me up, buddy. They should put that quote on the DVD box.
Actually... by leavittj1982	Jun 14th, 2007 09:07:42 AM
A few Golden Age issues of Detective Comics had Batman and Robin sharing a bed with each other. Yuck. I would have preferred Robin to have actually been a female, to be honest. As for Superman, it's been said somewhere that not only does Superman ejaculate prematurely because of his super-sensitivity to stimuli, but he only ejaculates one, single sperm, because any more than that would be practically redundant, and painful. His ability to go unrecognized by those who know him simply by means of donning a pair of glasses has been labelled an effect of some latent, telepathic, manipulative ability of his. Yes, Mr. Fantastic truly is Mr. Fantastic. Everybody knows that. Expect Johhny to gain a new respect for his brother-in-law in the coming movie, in which he acquires all of his friends' abilities. One more odd thing about Batman, incidentally, is the statistically unlikely physical attributes shared by Batman and the first three Robins: all of them are Caucasians with black hair and blue eyes, a phenotype that rarely occurs in the real world. There are, indeed, many, many cut-corners in Comic Book Land. But saying that exposure to radioactive fallout can turn people into super-strong giants is laughably childish. In fact, I think even Family Guy did a parody of that sort of thing: radioactive ooze gives the Griffins super powers, but when Mayor Adam West tries to do it by throwing himself into a pool of similar ooze, he only gets lymphoma.
I don't think Ang Lee's Hulk was terrible, by Coughlins Laws	Jun 14th, 2007 09:40:37 AM
I'll actually sit and watch it on Starz or something if I can't find anything els. The actors in it are just too entertaining for the movie not to be watchable. Sam Elliot WAS Thunderbolt Ross. And, as far out as he was, it's hard to take your eyes off Nick Nolte. Even harder for Jennifer Connely. (Did that come out right?) I just would've enjoyed it a lot more if they didn't take 45 mins to turn him into the Hulk or if the finale was something more of a spectacle. The should've mad the fight a lot longer.
Zak Penn is still writing it, is he not? by HueyFreeman	Jun 14th, 2007 10:01:20 AM
If so, that might not be good. He DID assist in ruining the X-Men franchise. And don't forget Elektra or Inspector Gadget.
I put my pants on one leg at a time just like by Admiral Kirk	Jun 14th, 2007 11:10:19 AM
you fellas. It's just that once my pants are on. I make gold records.
People sat HULK is bad by Nachokoolaid	Jun 15th, 2007 07:47:25 PM
People say that Ang Lee is terrible and Hulk is bad because he did BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN, and American society is terribly homophobic, so they equate Lee with homosexuality, which is negative in their eyes. Therefore, HULK is bad by association with Lee and homosexuality. Sad, really.
People SAY ^^ by Nachokoolaid	Jun 15th, 2007 07:48:13 PM
that should be "say"

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