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firsti
by ingraman
Jun 12th, 2007
07:25:52 PM
irest
Cloud's gotta eat.
by Kurzinski Valentine
Jun 12th, 2007
07:26:20 PM
..planets.
third? maybe
by cyrent
Jun 12th, 2007
07:28:08 PM
this plant-notplant shit is nonsense
I'm with you Mori, but...
by The Dum Guy
Jun 12th, 2007
07:29:24 PM
I'd go with telling them to fuck off, because this sorta thing sounds insane. I guess they just ain't a corporation that doesn't endorse free-speech or the ability to criticize. So I guess this means the other review was a plant.
THIS YEAR'S "TIM STORY PRESENTS: TAXI"
by Err
Jun 12th, 2007
07:29:31 PM
I'll still go see this.
Classy
by Grayle
Jun 12th, 2007
07:29:43 PM
Wow fox, you really showed him...how about make a decent movie, not just good enough to rake in the cash and next time you could have a glowing review and not have to waste your time making a phonecall... schmucks.. i'll wait for transformers...
err
by The Dum Guy
Jun 12th, 2007
07:30:13 PM
... I think that was an unintentional double-negative.
ironic
by Halfbreedqueen
Jun 12th, 2007
07:30:50 PM
now that these two reviews are somewhat positive
DAMN YOU ROTHMAN!!!!
by Doc_Strange
Jun 12th, 2007
07:31:48 PM
Seriously, to go and fuck with someone's livelihood like that is fucking terrible. Now you guys know why people should pirate bad movies like this. Fuckin' studio heads think they own the world and this is the reason why you gotta put these assholes in their place. Motherfuckers.
No offense to Memflix but...
by Err
Jun 12th, 2007
07:33:00 PM
studios do what they have to do to protect their interests. It's called "business." It's called "Hollywood." This isn't a surprise.
oh, and fuck you Fox, Hostel 2 sucks, flames on Optimus
by Kurzinski Valentine
Jun 12th, 2007
07:33:33 PM
no talkback would be the same without it.
wow .. they fired him ...
by TodayzSpecial
Jun 12th, 2007
07:33:34 PM
we'll show that little projector dude not to like every movie he sees! That is bad ... clearly a violation of his first amendment rights ...
Damn you Michael Bay
by Ribbons
Jun 12th, 2007
07:34:27 PM
Damn you Michael Bay
Fired Memflix?
by PirateEmery
Jun 12th, 2007
07:34:53 PM
And I'm SO off watching any Fox films any time soon.

Is an AICN embargo too out of the question?

Torn on this...
by ZeroCorpse
Jun 12th, 2007
07:36:57 PM
On one hand, I wanna see it. On the other, I TOTALLY DISAGREE with 20th Century Fox going after that guy. It was low and deserving of a boycott of their films.

I guess I'll have to see it for free somehow. Good thing I have lots of friends who work in movie theaters at various levels, and I can totally skip having to pay Fox for their movie this time around. I won't pirate it; That would be immoral. I'll simply use someone's free movie privileges at their cineplex to sidestep the whole issue. You get no money from me on this one, 20th Century Fox. Fuck you. I'll pay to see this film when you do the right thing and give the guy his job back.

Um, Mori... maybe you need to take a deep breath...
by anchorite
Jun 12th, 2007
07:38:00 PM
As far as I can tell, the guys who wrote these reviews weren't employed by the theater chains where they saw the movies. They were simply moviegoers who were given the opportunity to see the movie.

Memflix was an employee of the theater chain and held to a standard of secrecy, the same as most, dare I say ALL studio employees. When I worked at Paramount, I could have been fired for seeing Vanilla Sky at an exec meeting (which I did) and then coming onto AICN or some other venue and trashing the pic a few weeks before it came out (which I didn't - but I probably should have). Do you think Tom Cruise would have had his fellow Scientology nutbags track me down and try to get me fired? Probably.

My point is, it isn't just Fox trying to be extra-dicky. And I am not at all a Fox fan. They fucked X-Men 3 up so badly I don't even want to think about it, because I will wake up tonight in a cold sweat.

Memflix must have known that he would get into trouble for spilling the beans early. He took a chance in order to have his post in full view of potentially millions of readers. That was his risk to take. He got in trouble for it. Am I wrong?

Granted, had he loved the film, maybe Fox wouldn't have freaked out. But the people who freaked out are paid to do that. It's called damage control. They're ruthless fuckers and I am no fan of their tactics. But the contributors to this site are OFTEN people who are "insiders", working without the authority or the permission of the filmmakers. They know the risks involved when they leak a story, and if they don't then they are just plain stupid.

Be mad as hell at Fox if you wish. They're a bunch of shitheads, i agree. But don't make Memflix out to be a saint or something, because he isn't.
memfilx did get fired
by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell
Jun 12th, 2007
07:38:17 PM
http://www.memflixbeyond.com/
Jeez, when I started typing that post I was 3rd...
by anchorite
Jun 12th, 2007
07:38:38 PM
This one is going to be a loooooooong thread!
and heres another review
by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell
Jun 12th, 2007
07:39:14 PM
i posted this earlier today in the other talkback though http://www.scifimoviepage.com/ fantasticfour2silversurfer.htm l
FUCK!!!!
by Gus Van Rant
Jun 12th, 2007
07:39:40 PM
I hate the Fantastic Fagaillo's! This movie will blow more than when Harry met Eli...HOOOOOOO RAH!
I'm boycotting this in the theatres...
by Brundlefly
Jun 12th, 2007
07:40:46 PM
because Fox are a pack of greedy corporate whores and filthy bullying standover cunts. I am STUNNED that an individual who sees a film in the course of his job and then simply gives his opinion of it - can then be fired. I myself have reviewed films on this site as well as giving spoilers on stuff (Batman Begins comes to mind) which I saw as part of my day-job. If 'memflix' had signed a confidentiality agreement then it's understandable - but i doubt very highly that he did. Fuck you 20th Century Fox, FUCK YOU! I will be sure to purchase a bootlegged DVD of FF4-2 so Fox will never get a cent from me. It'll probably suck anyway....
Unbelievable
by buffywrestling
Jun 12th, 2007
07:41:28 PM
No, seriously. This franchise is dead to me. Strong-arm tactics piss me off. Won't buy a ticket, won't rent a dvd, won't watch it on cable. Un-fucking-believable. Spread the word.ê
Fired Him - I can get - Threaten the chain - Just Silly
by Namorita
Jun 12th, 2007
07:41:44 PM
Yes they want all our money - but if you leak stuff in corperate world, political world, heck even bad Paris gossip - it can and will get you fired...No Fox trying to make a company bend to their will would be like Microsoft trying...oh no their here...I can't speak any longer...run for God sake run...set the thermite a fire on the lapto..aalsdkj fa;lskjfafdakjdfa sf nanczmnv,..............
My mum always likes to keep a PLANT around the house
by Darkcityuk
Jun 12th, 2007
07:42:01 PM
So theres no way that they realized that Roy Hitler or whatever his name was, was such a bad plant and was outed after the memflix affair, and they send in another couple of cheasily obvious reviews. (and not like that awful ad that ran BEFORE the FX were complete) ?? thats almost as bad as trying to convince us that Galactus was in it and memflix was full of shit. And you talked to some FX guys? yeah right. And nobody ever puts Marvel characters on screen without screen tests redesigns etc. so theres no excuse. massive interplanetary destruction at the hands of a giant guy in a strange suit definatly has some way of looking good on screen. What if Harryhausen said the idea of a collosus stomping a group of greeks is just ridiculous im going to make him into a cloud. The cloud can then tickle them under the armpits.. greek mythology purists wont mind, we're making a film for a wider audience here for fucks sake!
NICE!
by Mr. Nice Gaius
Jun 12th, 2007
07:42:47 PM
Moriarty comes out with both guns blazin'. I love it.
Brundlefly, perhaps there was some sort of standing...
by anchorite
Jun 12th, 2007
07:43:23 PM
agreement that his job was such that he was not allowed to spill the beans or else risk termination. Let's hope Memflix himself can clear this up.
Damage control PLANTS
by BrowncoatJedi
Jun 12th, 2007
07:43:51 PM
Screw you Fox.
Whoa....the "cloud looked cool"?
by Gus Van Rant
Jun 12th, 2007
07:44:43 PM
Go have your fuckin brain checked Greenhouse, you Fox fucking Plant!
Where am dat wartymelon...
by Alonzo Mosely
Jun 12th, 2007
07:44:53 PM
That was a slightly less offensive 'impression' than the first guy's attempt ot portray 'angry AICN talkbacker geek'.
This movie is total crap!
by Sappers Forward
Jun 12th, 2007
07:45:03 PM
What an injustice to Marvel. "seperating him from his board and lock him up and torture him" What a bunch of crap. The "Power Cosmic" was not in the board, it was in the surfer. Why don't we just rewrite all the Marvel characters while we're at it. Acting? What F'ing Acting? Alba has a nice ass, THAT'S ABOUT IT. Ooooh,...a big cloud. Oh, and X-men 3 blew massive balls! I'm pissed I ever saw it.
Galactus Wears Purple Pants
by Preacher_klee
Jun 12th, 2007
07:45:19 PM
>> there is no way (unless you're Alex Ross) that a big purple helmeted warrior would look cool on screen
Alonzo, that sounded like a Lenny Bruce bit...
by anchorite
Jun 12th, 2007
07:46:04 PM
"Fried Chicken and Wartymelon!"
Alex Ross as Galactus!
by anchorite
Jun 12th, 2007
07:47:23 PM
That would work. His art hand has the power cosmic as far as I'm concerned.
Galactus Wears Purple Pants
by Preacher_klee
Jun 12th, 2007
07:48:08 PM
Join the fight against giant cloud bull-hooey. add as a friend on myspace.com/galactuswearspurpl epants and my new facebook group (search for galactus)
Lenny Bruce should have been portrayed as a cloud...
by Alonzo Mosely
Jun 12th, 2007
07:49:46 PM
'Cause Hoffman was such a method actor he would have hung around up high peeing on people to get into character... Damn I need some sleep...
and another thing
by Darkcityuk
Jun 12th, 2007
07:50:35 PM
''there is no love interest between Norrid R'ad (the surfer) and Sue (thank fucking Christ).'' They are trying to sound like us, but geeks dont talk like that, becuase a review to this website would be geek to geek, so they should know that everyone else would know that Norrid Rad is the sufer. They are trying to sound like a geek by knowing the name of the surfer but also mandatorily making the sentence accessible to everyone with the explaination in brackets just incase anyone who aint a geek reads it. No ive got nothing better to do with my time than come up with reasons to shoot down studio plants. Its fun.
This should start a grassroots boycott...
by The Dum Guy
Jun 12th, 2007
07:50:41 PM
But it most likely won't, but if enough people try to... if it wasn't for the Simpsons, doh.
Galactus would look cool if those asshats had any
by Kurzinski Valentine
Jun 12th, 2007
07:50:55 PM
imagination. No one wanted AN EXACT LITERAL REPRESENTATION of the oldass Kirby art. Make him shrouded in black, not purple. Or a super dark purple. Modify his "outfit" a bit. Have him radiating all these crazy-ass clouds around his body or something, like he's seeping this plague of acrid fume from his core. His his 'face' in a lot of shadow so we can just see some glowing eyes and maybe a mouth. Don't even show his full body in any shots..just use the massive scale to your advantage and show some really sweet shots of him eclipsing the fucking moon or something.

Stop and think imaginatively for 2 seconds you fucking douchebags. Don't just just to the quickest conclusion: "Oh hey..how about he's a cosmic storm? And we just hint at his head-shape for a split second to appease all the backlash and hate we're going to receive from fans because we're toof ucking lazy to brainstorm (pun intended) for 20 minutes?"
There sure are a lot of PLANTS in the Greenhouse
by Gus Van Rant
Jun 12th, 2007
07:51:56 PM
Yep...that's right Haters, Greenhouse is a Fox PLANT because there is no way in hell this movie is anything more than a douche mop at Rosie O'Donells house after Pancake Tuesday.
In Respect to stan lee
by zelusfin
Jun 12th, 2007
07:52:16 PM
he created the project and he's backing this up. Only reason why i'm watching it now.. that and Alba's a**, and b***, and.. and.. nevermind, you got the idea. Look, what i find weird is people have written very shitty reviews about films before but why is fox only acting out now? when was the last time something like this happened. and i doubt that fox would go through all that trouble just because of a bad review. Makes me wonder what's goin on behind the scenes there... unless Fox really is that cowardly. i mean, come one, the first one didn't bomb even if it almost could (money wise) and they've got tons of money. So what if this doesnt get as much... makes me wonder.
his = hide
by Kurzinski Valentine
Jun 12th, 2007
07:52:29 PM
i type with a furious rage.
The absolute BEST way to do Galactus...
by D.Vader
Jun 12th, 2007
07:54:11 PM
I can't believe they didn't think of this, but it'd satisfy both worlds. Why not have Galactus be the god-like cloud of Cosmic destruction, but have the Surfer explain that he takes on the form of whatever the dominant form of life is on the planet before devouring it?

Then, once the cloud gets to Earth, it forms into the shape of... a giant humanoid with bigass horns coming out of the helmet! Albeit, one that looks like its made of bees. I think that would have been hugely dynamic and wouldn't piss off superfans.

Purple would look a bit funny.

Mr. Sinister, send him a Mars bar...
by anchorite
Jun 12th, 2007
07:54:18 PM
And let me be clear: if Memflix DIDN'T have some sort of information-limiting understanding with his employers, then he may very well have a good case against the theater chain, and perhaps even Fox. That would be sweet. I'd love to see Rothman turn purple from rage at getting sued by Memflix. But I have the feeling Rothman's a sociopath, so he may feel nothing at all.
Will wait for a good bootleg.....
by Starscream Fan
Jun 12th, 2007
07:54:40 PM
Fox won't get my money for this piece of crap!
If the movie was great, they wouldn't give a shit...
by Anti-fanboy
Jun 12th, 2007
07:54:48 PM
They'd feel secure in the positive reviews and word of mouth to come. Fuckin cunts. Do the material justice next time!
Just proves to FOX that the customer is always right...
by Monkey_King
Jun 12th, 2007
07:56:33 PM
or in this case, the fans are always right... and I say this for all the comic fans, MARVEL, DC or Indie....Satisfying the fans of any comic property that is made into a film is priority #1. Priority #2 is making sure the film is cast right, has the right screenwriter or director/producer with the balls to make it right. Why? Satisfaction to the fans = more $$$ to produce further films.
Jesus Christ, zelusfin! Stan Lee sold out decades ago!
by anchorite
Jun 12th, 2007
07:56:48 PM
Don't hold him up as some guy whose motives are pure as the wind-driven snow. He fucked Jack Kirby around for decades! He's a businessman. Now he's in league with Disney. Do you need more evidence that he's a whore?
FOURTHY FIFTH...ISH!!!
by Bass Bastardson
Jun 12th, 2007
07:57:12 PM
I can't believe either of these guys but I'll give Greenhouse props on his name
Please get memfilx as a permanet reviewer...
by wadi77
Jun 12th, 2007
07:58:00 PM
or something...
Fuck you, Fox, no way I'm seeing this OR paying for any
by Daddylonghead
Jun 12th, 2007
07:58:34 PM
"FOX" product in the near future. Fuck you dirtbags trying to keep the truth about how shitty your films are from the public by bullying and fucking up an honest person's career. FUCK YOU FOX, EAT CORN FROM MY SHIT
MAYBE IF YOU DIDNT CALL ONE OF THEM A FOX STOOGE ...
by JeanLuc Dickhard
Jun 12th, 2007
07:58:43 PM
ALL WOULD HAVE BEEN COOL ..... nobody to blame but yourselves here im sorry ...
We need to boycott this one
by EdRyder
Jun 12th, 2007
07:59:19 PM
And actually follow through with it this time!Everyone talked the talk about X3 but then after it was released everyone acted like they didn't know what happened.As if the whole idea of boycotting X3 and Fox was a joke.
Fox being dicks
by jhcs11
Jun 12th, 2007
07:59:44 PM
Im suprised Transformers isnt made by fox... you know with Optimus Prime having flames and all... just imagine if fox made Transformers!!!!
They are always cost cutting.
by Darkcityuk
Jun 12th, 2007
07:59:58 PM
I remember an interview early on in the development of FF2 (which was yesterday haha haha yeah because it was so rushed, i get it) where Story said he was in meetings where the producers were telling him what he could and couldnt have in the film, i remember him saying something along the lines of ''i am their assboy''
re: anchorite
by The Dum Guy
Jun 12th, 2007
08:02:24 PM
some states like Texas have a thing called a "right to hire", which is in a fact a law for firing, which pretty much says a company doesn't really need all that good of an excuse to fire someone.
If i were you memflix i'd burn that theatre down...
by wolvenom
Jun 12th, 2007
08:04:20 PM
Dont stand for that shit. Whoever fired you needs to get their dog thrown in front of a train. You should also visit one of the country clubs those pale liver spot infested moneybag fox fucks go to and run them over with their own golf carts and piss on their corpses. I cant tell you what to do though. I'd never think of doing these things but if i were you... lol.
Question about Proust's "A la recherche du temps perdu"
by Gwai L0
Jun 12th, 2007
08:04:39 PM
I have this six/seven volume 5000 page modernist masterpiece, in French, on mid-seventies library Microfiche, but I don't want to read the whole thing (Microfiche reader gets too hot).

Could someone please let me know at what page number Monsieur Swann, while at dinner with Baron Charlus, inhales the delicate fragrance rising from the inner lining of Charlus' special GOTTA-TAKE-A-SHIT MASK and is reminded of the youthful hawthornes in Combray and the bittersweet impossibilities of true love? I have looked everywhere and cannot find this information.

Thanks in advance!!!

Rothman's a sociopath
by The Dum Guy
Jun 12th, 2007
08:05:20 PM
He most likely is one, because the personality of a sociopath lends itself to being better at heading a corporation. They just love the money they get, and don't give a damn about anyone else.
Set up a fund or something?
by Bob of the Shire
Jun 12th, 2007
08:06:24 PM
I'll paypal Memflix some dough. It blows my mind that they would track him down and fire him. That is some serious cocksuckage right there.
White devil thats 34 mins where alba gets her kit off
by Darkcityuk
Jun 12th, 2007
08:08:56 PM
AGAIN! unless they show any nipple im still using those beach photos!!
Mori, what theater chain did he work at?
by Hairy Nutsack
Jun 12th, 2007
08:10:10 PM
Fox isn't the only one to blame here, the theater chain needs to be boycotted too. I have at least 6 different theater chains in my area. Just tell us which one it was and we can all avoid it. Let's see how much fucking money they lose when people aren't seeing ANY movies at their shit theaters, let alone a Fox movie.
anchorite
by BadMrWonka
Jun 12th, 2007
08:11:29 PM
as Mori pointed out...Memflix got fired because his review was negative, pure and simple. he has sent in reviews before, ostensibly from the same situation, and nothing...

you have to admit, do you really think the Fox execs would have tracked him down if his review had been even neutral? I suppose if he had given away spoilers, maybe. but he didn't. he just didn't like the film. and the embargo bullshit was just a way of punishing him, while still protecting their legal culpability.

no matter how you look at it, it's shitty. this isn't Nedry in Jurasic Park selling trade secrets for millions. it's a projectionist sending in a review to a site he likes, for NO money, just to be part of the process of getting information about a film out there.

Memflix, if you live in LA and can work a camera, holler at me. also, if you speak Spanish, that'll help, got some stuff going down in Mexico July/August. good money, all travel paid for, and they still need one more cameraman.

galactus
by rowdybow
Jun 12th, 2007
08:11:50 PM
greetings, and screw michael bay! you could have easily made galactus look cool as a giant. JUST MAKE HIM FUCKING GIANT. Here is how you could make him show up and it would not be lame. Military detects massive energy presence. it stops. Surfer takes reed to "meet" galactus. enter a matrix like scene where it is just Richards and a giant galactus floating in nothing. G chooses to present himself as a giant human in battle armor, purple is his color. He levitates richards to his face, which is massive. they speak. Galactus decides to destroy the planet anyways. Richards is instantly back in the FF base or whatever, and galactus appears in space, floating...and then becomes a cloud and phases into earth itself and shit happens as he begins to absorb it. the surfer meets with galactus in the matrix space and convinces him not destroy earth. G leaves, Surfer gives up some of his power to heal earth. man I dont even like FF, I just hate fox and movie people who have no respect for the matrerial they are using. They arent even writing these things, they are basically copying all the ideas from someone else and they cant even copy correctly.
Why is Jessica Alba so hot?! Someone please answer this
by wolvenom
Jun 12th, 2007
08:12:04 PM
I mean holy fuck....
HAHA, obviously fox is paying people for good reviews..
by Mike_D
Jun 12th, 2007
08:12:17 PM
bunch of PLANTS.
Dum guy, I used to live in Texas...
by anchorite
Jun 12th, 2007
08:13:31 PM
I am very aware of that particular law. It's actually "employment at will". I didn't mean to imply that Memflix had a great case in most circumstances. In fact, he probably would have a fairly tenuous case, or none at all, in MOST circumstances. I was more curious about whether or not he had any sort of written agreement that he had to sign when he took the job. Or if it was in the employee handbook somewhere that he was not supposed to leak sensitive information.
HELL YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!
by lost.rules
Jun 12th, 2007
08:13:35 PM
TELL IT LIKE IT IS MORIARTY! FUCK FOX!Respect points went up one million percent, Moriarty!
Yeah, the whole Memflix thing smacks of bullshit!!!
by pdennett316
Jun 12th, 2007
08:15:08 PM
So, FOX were so scared of the all powerful Memflix and his awesome reviews of truthitude, they tracked him down like in a bad spy thriller and had him fired. I call fucking bullshit on that, he probably got fired for spooging on the popcorn or something. Quite frankly, AICN reviews aint as effective as you'd like to imagine, Spidey 3, Pirates, Shrek etc... will all make shit loads of cash, as did GhostRider, despite the all-powerful AICN featuring hugely negative responses. IF it did happen, then he can sue the shit out of them...so all this talk of boycots and "something must be done" is ridiculous. Fucking drama queens sometimes, you lot.
Wadi77, Memflix won't be much good at reviewing stuff
by anchorite
Jun 12th, 2007
08:15:10 PM
if he doesn't have a job anymore where he sees the stuff before-hand. A-ha!
anchorite, O.K, I see...
by The Dum Guy
Jun 12th, 2007
08:15:28 PM
You were just wondering if what happened was indeed fair, because breaking any contract is always a no-no.
Dear Fox
by chrth
Jun 12th, 2007
08:15:41 PM
Give me $$$ and I'll give you a positive review. I have Talkback Cred, so I'm a valuable asset. (seriously, call me, we'll talk)
I agree with Anchorite on this one.
by Barry Egan
Jun 12th, 2007
08:16:13 PM
I have worked on sets where I had to sign confidentiality agreements as thick as telephone books. The idea is that you aren't supposed to disclose what you saw and you agree to it as a condition of your employment. If this projectionist knew he was not supposes to disclose anything about the screening or if he signed a confidentiality agreement Fox is well within their rights to get him fired. It may not seem reasonable, but just because it is excessive doesn't mean it didn't happen.
Because Juggernaut look exactly the same as the comics
by Darkcityuk
Jun 12th, 2007
08:16:56 PM
and he looked cool right? right? somebody gimme a right? Ah thats right he looked as shit as Vinnie Jones in a Musclesuit with a stone lookin helmet on speaking yanky phrazes in a cockney accent. Now THATS shite.
let me know what theatre it is too...
by wolvenom
Jun 12th, 2007
08:17:02 PM
I want to know what theatre it is so that incase I ever visit it I can take a dump on the middle of their bathroom floor when no one is in it. BUWAHAHAHHAAH TAKE THAT THEATRE CHAIN!! PICK UP MY DUMPAGE!!!
This weekend everyone will be on the Surfers nuts
by alienindisguise
Jun 12th, 2007
08:17:48 PM
Best comic flick of the year...it's looking that way.
The new corner animation is disturbing.
by Snookeroo
Jun 12th, 2007
08:18:26 PM
To say the least. To what movie do we owe this unseemly homage?
FUCK FOX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by lost.rules
Jun 12th, 2007
08:18:47 PM
.
BadMrWonka, kudos to you...
by anchorite
Jun 12th, 2007
08:20:02 PM
I salute you on your generosity and humanity. I certainly think the whole situation with Fox and their treatment of Memflix was abominable. Rothman is a schmuck of galactic proportions. Funny, that. Anyway, I was speaking to the legal ramifications, not the moral or ethical nature of how he was treated. Clearly they could have left him alone. This is a bunch of sniveling prigs trying to look after their own asses, cutting down anyone who they are threatened by in the hopes of garnering favor with their schmuck of a boss. Hollywood, for the most part, sucks.
Fox is paying for good reviews... erm..ok ive changed
by Darkcityuk
Jun 12th, 2007
08:20:21 PM
my mind actually ive always thought this, ive just been yanking ya chain he he, yeah i dont actually think that Fox is ripping off the characters and putting them in a low budget alternative to £200 million competition in the form of Spider-man and Super-man. How come they always spend £100 million less on their films anyway. cheapskates... oh this was supposed to be a positive review..... nah i dont got it in me.
Question
by Mr. Winston
Jun 12th, 2007
08:21:25 PM
In the first review he says that "Galactus" is pronounced correctly, not like "Gal-ak-tus" as "some were worried". I'm not going to pretend to have ever read a single issue of FF, but how the fuck else are you supposed to pronounce "Galactus"?
Snookeroo, it's Black Snake Moan...
by anchorite
Jun 12th, 2007
08:21:52 PM
Harry is one sick bastard!
FOX < UWE BOWL < ELI ROTH < DOG SHIT
by lost.rules
Jun 12th, 2007
08:22:23 PM
FUCK FOX!!!!!!!!!!!!
One time this guy I know got jerked around at a bar...
by wolvenom
Jun 12th, 2007
08:22:30 PM
by the staff. They screwed up his orders, humiliated him, and ripped him off so he pissed all over their bathroom floor. THIS IS THE WAY TO GET BACK AT THEM MEMFLIX! DUMP ON THEIR BATHROOM FLOOR!!! DUMPPPPPP! DUMPAGE!!! its the only honourable thing to do.
Black Snake Moan
by D.Vader
Jun 12th, 2007
08:22:48 PM
... is my guess. And by at least 2 posters here (myself included), we've found creative ways to have Galactus be a giant cosmic cloud and yet STILL show the original incarnation in a way that isn't goofy in the "giant purple man in space???" way (well, except for rowdybow's idea that G floats in space as Man and *then* mutates into cloud).
But it could also be Gator Bait or I Spit on Your Grave
by anchorite
Jun 12th, 2007
08:22:51 PM
From the way he's, um, dressed.
Why does Fox/Marvel films always cost £100 million less
by Darkcityuk
Jun 12th, 2007
08:24:23 PM
Than other movies out that summer like spider-man or superman?
Animation?
by The Dum Guy
Jun 12th, 2007
08:25:26 PM
This may sound stupid, but does the animation in anyway spoil Black Snake Moan? I haven't seen it yet.
FOX < MICHAEL BAY
by lost.rules
Jun 12th, 2007
08:25:33 PM
Oh, yeah. I went there. FUCK FOX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Let's send Memflix a Mars bar. Or 24...
by anchorite
Jun 12th, 2007
08:25:39 PM
Any takers? (awkward silence)
Was that a pun, Dum Guy?
by anchorite
Jun 12th, 2007
08:26:52 PM
Black Snake Moan "spoiled"? But he's in the freezer, so maybe "freezer burned" is more accurate.
Point being...
by D.Vader
Jun 12th, 2007
08:29:14 PM
Fox and the screenwriters are retarded for not figuring it out.
First I heard about the Watcher.
by mrfan
Jun 12th, 2007
08:29:14 PM
Can anyone else confirm this?
FANTASTIC BORE: RISE OF FUCKTARDS AT FOX
by lost.rules
Jun 12th, 2007
08:29:31 PM
Yet another shit fest from the studio that brought you the classic film Alien Vs. Predator. GO TO HELL YOU FILTHY COCKSUCKERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !
Wouldn't it be funny if....
by Quake II
Jun 12th, 2007
08:30:25 PM
FF 2 actually kicked all sorts of ass. If it outgrosses Sony's 200 million Spider Man 3 I will be happy. That would be hilarious. We need a Silver Surfer movie. Period.
no pun...
by The Dum Guy
Jun 12th, 2007
08:31:40 PM
I'm just now curious if Sam Jackson ends up in a freezer.
20th Century Fox can go fuck themselves
by lost.rules
Jun 12th, 2007
08:37:37 PM
Your words, Moriarty. And mine too!
FF2 will do well because its a film for babies
by Darkcityuk
Jun 12th, 2007
08:37:40 PM
Its a baby film. like toy story, that parents will enjoy along with their retarded children. Because the adults will enjoy the 'comedy' ahem, im sorry i meant 'cliched, i wish they had laugh tracks in movies' bits and the kids will pretend not to see dad look strange when Alba gets her kit off. See how it works?
Moriarty
by mr dark
Jun 12th, 2007
08:38:14 PM
I have never been more proud of you and your work on this site as I am now..You had the balls to speak up . Memflix yeah he got hosed for calling em like he saw them.. Fox What fuckin chukleheads. Roy Story ..I mean Stalin he should choke... Memflix a stand up guy..took the hit and I know he'll rebound.. I was hoping to see this film but even if it is decent. The actions of Fox will overshadow my enjoyment like a big cloud of fuckin SPACE DUST and as it sounds from all the Memflix supporters..It will overshadow theirs..Good move Fox.. How does it feel to fuck yourself? Oh yeah , LONG LIVE MEMFLIX!!
Oh Yeah forgot Roy Stalin = Story in L.A.
by mr dark
Jun 12th, 2007
08:39:50 PM
If ya didn't already know
Confidentiality agreement....
by Hairy Nutsack
Jun 12th, 2007
08:40:04 PM
Memflix has said repeatedely in the other TB that there was no confidentiality agreement, written or otherwise. Assuming this is true, then this firing is absolutely actionable.
They didn't 'track Memflix down'...
by Alonzo Mosely
Jun 12th, 2007
08:41:30 PM
They aren't that smart, he has a website memflixbeyond.com and his name is right on it. From there it wasn't that difficult, even the assistant to the assistant of Rothman's assistant could manage that one...

MEMflix is in MEMphis which is in TN which is a right to work state, as I pointed out in the other thread, he has a good case for unemployment but that is about it.

If he could prove that Fox placed a call saying 'fire him or we pull every one of our films from you chain', or some such threat, he might, with a good lawyer, be able to go after FOX.

Or maybe if you could convince an entertainment journalist to fill some inches on a slow day, the whole 'fired for having an opinion' angle might get some play. Get Memflix some publicity, maybe he can get a paying movie critic gig, which is I am sure his real dream anyway...

Hairy, this is the kinda story that get on the news
by Darkcityuk
Jun 12th, 2007
08:43:45 PM
I reckon it will get on some non-fox owned news stations and will suck for fox cause on the weekend that FF2 is released a story like that would be worse than a blowjob from your own grandmother.
FOX!! you .. business .. that does what business' do.
by soup74
Jun 12th, 2007
08:44:41 PM
so yeah it sucks memflix got fired, but what he was doing (as per being employeed by the theatre) was fire worthy, even if it was a little harsh. (but then so was his review)

plus.. he lost a job working in a movie theatre, im sure he'll get over it, and if he wants, he can go apply at any of the other 20 movies theatres that are in driving distance.
Re: Villain
by Colonel Activity
Jun 12th, 2007
08:45:20 PM
Why keep raping Doom? Why not bring Diablo out? That's one crazy/femmy villain who would do well on the screen.
YO MEMFLIX...
by BigBlackDude
Jun 12th, 2007
08:45:55 PM
...I hate the fact that you lost your job but I'll be seeing this movie Friday. Decent Sci-Fi films are just too hard to come by these days. Sorry.
MEMFLIX has chosen HD-DVD and here's why
by Mr_X
Jun 12th, 2007
08:47:54 PM

Cause he cant review movies from screeners anymore. Memflix gotta eat!

Seriously dude, that sucks we owe you for taking a hit for the team, even though i didnt care what your review said cause i was goonna wtach the movie anyways.

so anyways... did you have some confidentaility agreement thingy in place?

My Last Rant
by lost.rules
Jun 12th, 2007
08:51:21 PM
Appealing to my fellow Talkbackers... Please... DO NOT GO WATCH FANTASTIC FOUR! Let us show these studio shills, and whore mongers that they do not have control over us. And, rather that it is we that controls them. We have the power of the purse. We can show these bastards, that we will no longer put up with the raping of our comic books. That we will not pay through the nose to watch cliched dreck that does not even remotely resemble the material that we so loved. This is could be the begining of a new age for us. Let us start the revolution! And that revolution begins with the following words... FUCK FOX. Repeat these words, if you would like to join. FUCK FOX!!!!!!!!!!!!
i still dont know why people were mad when
by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell
Jun 12th, 2007
08:51:45 PM
fox didnt pick up the halo movie.
Confidentiality agreement....
by Mr_X
Jun 12th, 2007
08:55:11 PM
maybe its not expressly written, but even so.. its dodgy ground, folks dont sign papers saying you are not allowed to steal or borrow the stuff from work but they do it anyways even though they know it aint right.
oh and. fuck fox
by Mr_X
Jun 12th, 2007
08:56:02 PM
is something i can always get behind and agree on 100%
I'm glad Memfilx got fired.
by Playkins
Jun 12th, 2007
08:56:42 PM
First, he was a jerk. Second, guess what- He din't do his job and got canned! Big shock!!!! Don't say that Fox is being unreasonable, it was against the terms of his employment to "spill the beans", and he got sacked because of it. Too freakin' bad. Won't be doing that again, huh? If I disobeyed my boss, I'd get canned, too.
ATTN: lost.rules:
by Playkins
Jun 12th, 2007
08:59:50 PM
(one more for the road): Go pick something that might actually make a difference to someone in the world to start a crusade against. Wow, Fox didn't make a movie that you approve of, WHICH YOU HAVENT EFFING SEEN YET BY THE WAY!!!! How could they? Dumbass.
SEND ROCKS TO 20th TO GET MEMFLIX HIS JOB BACK!
by Darth Bauer
Jun 12th, 2007
09:01:12 PM
Rocks, since Thing was rock.
Darth, Thing is made of rubber. Not rocks.
by Kurzinski Valentine
Jun 12th, 2007
09:01:55 PM
Just look at him.
FUCK YOU FOX
by ObiWanCon
Jun 12th, 2007
09:03:00 PM
FOX YOU FUCKING WANKERS
Hairy Nutsack, employment at will is a hard one to...
by anchorite
Jun 12th, 2007
09:03:14 PM
fight. The employer needs only make sure they are not violating state or federal law for things like discrimination. Besides that, they can fire you for pretty much any other reason. Yes, it sucks. Fox is showing themselves to be real losers. But Memflix didn't use the best judgement in this particular situation. He should have known this was at least a possibility.
Playkins/Plantkins
by lost.rules
Jun 12th, 2007
09:03:22 PM
You are obviously a plant for FOX. Get the fuck off this TB Mr.Leaf! We don't want your kind here.
FOX
by Colonel Activity
Jun 12th, 2007
09:04:18 PM
Look at FOX NEWS. Look at who owns the fucking FOX Corporation. These people are the scum of the fucking earth. Murdoch can burn in Hell.
YOU CAN'T ASSUME...
by BigBlackDude
Jun 12th, 2007
09:05:12 PM
...every employee at Fox only cares about money. What happened was fucked up I agree. But you gotta remember if nobody goes to see movies like FF, the movies don't get made. Think about it. Choose wisely.
Colonel, it's not Murdoch. It's Rothman...
by anchorite
Jun 12th, 2007
09:05:32 PM
Sociopathic schmuck that he is.
lost.rules:
by Playkins
Jun 12th, 2007
09:05:53 PM
That the best you can do? Call me Plant? Why, because I think you're an asshole with a chip on his shoulder? Go work for Greenpeace if you want to "make a difference" you effin hippie.
Internet buzz myth
by Redfoot the Fence
Jun 12th, 2007
09:06:34 PM
I'm amazed Fox went to all the trouble to track down someone who posted a negative review of a movie on an Internet fan site, as if that review would put a DENT in the movie's ultimate box office. Was the Net not hyper-buzzing both Snakes on a Plane and Grindhouse over the last year? Both movies tanked, showing that these sites aren't significantly representative of the larger moviegoing audience.
ALONZO MOSLEY
by Ribbons
Jun 12th, 2007
09:08:48 PM
Please come back to the Zone. I'll give you back rubs! And fruit baskets!
Playkins, we know it will suck because of this rule
by Darkcityuk
Jun 12th, 2007
09:08:48 PM
fool me once shame on you... uh.. ah fool me twice.... eh.. you cant fool me again. Since x-men 3 and Fantastic Four, Fox has been supershit. Put that in your dictionary and spell it.
Hey fuck nuts....
by brassai2003
Jun 12th, 2007
09:09:07 PM
Fuck off, All a ya! I'm one of the above reviews and not a fucking plant. Hence the name, dickheads. I posted the review here to give you assholes an honest review cuz up until now we were getting half-assed information. And I was tired of reading shit from no-know nothings who think it's cool to write up bogus shit and feed it to us. SO fuck off with the plant bullshit. I WISH I was on the Fox payroll. It's gotten to the point where people can't post ANY kind of review other than "This movie blows' without getting attacked. Memflix knew the deal. He works at a freakin' movie theater he knows the deal. When I sent my review to Mori, I explained that my situation was similar to Mem's and he fucking respected that. I mean, don't leave so many clues in your review (and them post it on your website) and NO movie is worth losing a job over. Ok. maybe Iron Man...or Dark Knight...but that's IT.
Screening prints early
by InstantClassic
Jun 12th, 2007
09:09:54 PM
Fox, if you don't want to have the employees watch movies before the press screenings there are two very simple things to do (trust me, I'm a projectionist, I see this all the time). 1. Lock the cans. Call the theater 90 minutes before showtime. That way nobody will get to watch it the night before if the print shows up like we do at my theater all the fucking time. 2. Schdual the screening an hour before the movie theater starts showing other films. That way the projectionist will be distracted with the other screens to stop and watch the whole film. If you don't do those two things, the people have every right to watch the fucking movie. It's one of the few benifits we get at a job like that.
Plantkins/FOX executive
by lost.rules
Jun 12th, 2007
09:09:57 PM
GO FUCK YOURSELF!! YOU ARE SCUM. PLEASE DIE....Soon. FUCK FOX!!!!!!!! Suicide is an option. Do the research.
What happend to MEM was Bullshit
by Phategod2
Jun 12th, 2007
09:12:18 PM
I dont care what you say Mem has stated that he never Signed a confidentiality clause therefor there is no grounds for his dismissal. I think regardless he has grounds to at the least explore having a law suit filed.
FOR MEMFLIX....
by jhpiii
Jun 12th, 2007
09:13:46 PM
Ill be skipping seeing this movie in the theaters...its the only way to stand up to dumb ass studio that believe they know everything, and treat consuumers like village idiots......So ill have to hear about it from the rest of yall..... Ill check out Transformers and Ratouille!!!
Ball less 2003
by lost.rules
Jun 12th, 2007
09:14:00 PM
Maybe you aren't leafy, but your obviously an idiot. How old are you? Sixteen? Yeah, you would like this movie. This film, and the Power Rangers movie is probably in your top five. Isn't?
Mori swore...he said a bad word.
by Bronx Cheer
Jun 12th, 2007
09:15:05 PM
A lot of them...my fave phrase was this: "you’re exactly the bunch of chickenshit greedhead lowlifes I think you are." That's fucking poetry. Nicely done, McW. I hope everyone appreciates the stones you've got, swinging away at Fox as you've done, when it may put a serious crimp in your vocational outlook. Kudos.
BOYCOTT THIS MOVIE!!!
by jhpiii
Jun 12th, 2007
09:16:17 PM
SHow FOX its viewers arent the villiage idiots it thinks we are....No censorship! No firings because of bad reviews
lost.rules:/dumbshit (and Darkcityuk)
by Playkins
Jun 12th, 2007
09:17:03 PM
Maybe you just need to realize that not everyone thinks the same as you, and I don't like the idea of loadmouths like you being the only voice out there. I LIKE comic book movies the way they are. I LIKED Ghostrider, I LIKE X3, I LIKED Superman Returns. Deal with the fact that not everyone shares your opinions.
I WISH I was on the Fox payroll.
by lost.rules
Jun 12th, 2007
09:17:13 PM
Your words, Ball less 2003. NOT MINE!
The Dark Side Reaches FOX
by DarthDooku
Jun 12th, 2007
09:18:14 PM
Looks like without the force of SW to keep FOX on the light side, they're slipping.... but I suppose they have a right to protect bad publicity before a movie even premieres, as critics themselves release their reviews the day of release.
BOYCOTT!!! MOTHERFUCKING BOYCOTT!!!!!
by Leafy McPlantsalot
Jun 12th, 2007
09:19:09 PM
I've seen the clips. This movie is just as bad as the first movie. sue, you're on fire! Ya think!!! WOW. They make shit movies and then get someone fired for speaking his opinion. i will not see this in the movies and i truly hope you all do the same. We sank Hostel 2, we can sink this mother fucker too!!!
I LIKED Ghostrider, I LIKE X3, I LIKED Superman Returns
by lost.rules
Jun 12th, 2007
09:19:12 PM
Your words PLANTKINS. NOT MINE!
lost.rules:
by Playkins
Jun 12th, 2007
09:20:47 PM
And the point you think you made is what- that you're a bigger movie fan becasue you DIDN'T like those movies? Keep on rolling, fucktard. You're sounding more and more like a complete moron with every post.
He works at a freakin' movie theater he knows the deal.
by Darkcityuk
Jun 12th, 2007
09:21:07 PM
Is that the secret deal that that a fox executive makes with anyone they think they can manipulate out of a job? The secret deal agreed on by only one party. Cause thats a great deal. Your a prick brassai and your a a plant.
What happened to the Fox of the 80s?
by HeWhoCannotBeNamed
Jun 12th, 2007
09:21:17 PM
I miss that Fox.

I wasn't seeing this film anyway, but now, with all this foolish bullshit, there's no way. Weak sauce.

Playkins all im saying is
by Darkcityuk
Jun 12th, 2007
09:24:59 PM
If your going to hire a no-name cast for your super-hero movie at least make sure the FX are good!!
you DIDN'T like those movies?
by lost.rules
Jun 12th, 2007
09:25:09 PM
X3, Ghostrider? Yeah. I didn't like those movies. There's this thing called TASTE. But you wouldn't know about that, being a plant. Would you PLANTKINS? FUCK FOX!!!!!!!!!!!!
Listen you morons*...
by Hairy Nutsack
Jun 12th, 2007
09:26:23 PM
...if there was nothing signed by Memflix and the management never expressely told him (either verbally or in company literature whether he read it or not) he couldn't say anything about this film, or any other film for that matter, then this is a violation of his First Amendment Rights period.

Seeing as how the management told him flat out why he was being fired, for expressing his opinion about the movie, this firing is absolutely actionable. The nice thing about the Constitution is that it trumps any and all State laws. Plus, management has already set (possibly legal) precedent in this case by not warning and/or firing him for previous reviews. Now go get rich Memflix, or at least get your job back.

*I said morons with the utmost respect for my fellow TBers, especially anchorite, just get your heads outta yer asses

I'll watch this movie the way I watched the first one:
by wash
Jun 12th, 2007
09:27:47 PM
For free, and very stoned. Fuck you FOX.
FUCK FOX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by lost.rules
Jun 12th, 2007
09:30:56 PM
Goodnight.
That latter review?
by Theta
Jun 12th, 2007
09:32:23 PM
Yeah, plant. The former I'm inclined to believe, although it leans a bit on the enthusiastic side. For me, I'll go see it because although it had flaws, the first one wasn't bad (it certainly wasn't the terror that was the Blade sequels.)
lost.rules (and Hairy Nutsack)
by Playkins
Jun 12th, 2007
09:35:52 PM
And you are the authority on taste because you like Marvel's comic books? I'd say you're contradicting yourself right there. I don't know what world you live in, but comics are not exactly "high art". Second, Hairy Nutsack: You are forgetting the concept of "AT WILL" employment. You can't tell me that he wasn't aware he was doing something wrong. At every test screening I've ever been to (quite a few- the theater that's down the street does screenings almost weekly) they EXPLICITLY state not to disclose information to press.
Cloudactus = no fx budget...end of story.
by Boober
Jun 12th, 2007
09:37:00 PM
an INVISIBLE girl a living piece of rock a living bic lighter a living rubber band... but paying homage to the Kirby Galactus in some form is a "stretch" for us to imagine/it couldn't be done well. Toolerific cop-out!
I can't help but not feel bad
by DanDelion
Jun 12th, 2007
09:39:18 PM
I mean it sucks, but come on, you knew the risks. I worked at a theater for a while and found it a privelage to see things early- I knew I wasn't supposed to take posters or write early reviews or even take a print of a film or anything, but I did. I never got caught, but I still knew that it would be big fucking trouble if I did. I also didn't do it often. For someone who's posted up early reviews of every major release thus far this summer, I can only say that you must have known this would happen eventually.
Memfllix
by Feanor_35
Jun 12th, 2007
09:43:07 PM
I've lurked on this site for years--from Episode 1 breathless conjecture to the successful fan outrage ammendment/abandonment of Arwen at Helm's Deep--always enjoyed the community and the often hilarious exchanges--but Memflix simply offered an opinion and he got fired? Hunted down by Idiots. If this dude needs money we need to figure out how to help him out as he's "kin"--he's one of us. If this is true, this is disgusting. I've been coming to this site for years and been perhaps too lazy to ever join in any discussions but if this poor bastard got canned beacuse heavyweight suits were too insecure to let him have an opinion I will never, ever, see another production from Fox and this event (again, if true) made me have to post and express sincere disgust. The Internet increasingly flexes fan muscle as far as "Why are you idiots destroying something perfect as it is" (I pray for Watchmen) but as a working class dude, having a guy's livelihood taken away fromn him simply for his opinion? That's too much. Fuck Fox, fuck them right in the ear. If this story's veracity pans out there is no way in hell I am going to see FF2 or anything even remotely attached to Fox ever again. Geek outrgae helped shape Jackson's LotR, surely it can be mustered to get this dude his job back. F'n TOOLS!
Well, if Galactus destroyed all those worlds, it's safe
by Pennsy
Jun 12th, 2007
09:43:18 PM
to say he's got zero MySpace friends ;)
Fairly positive review here too:
by Tripman5000
Jun 12th, 2007
09:43:43 PM
http://www.totalfilm.com/cinem a_reviews/films_out_this_week/ fantastic_four_rise_of_the_sil ver_surfer
Playkins
by pjdon
Jun 12th, 2007
09:46:31 PM
The thing is with a film like Superman Returns, Ghost Rider or Spidey 3 is that while they where not gret it was nt due to a lack of care. They just didn't work that well.

But lost.rules has every right to say X3 and FF are shit because they where made to make money and no other reason. It is exploitation of an audience and an exploitation of a beloved artform.

No matter what you thought of these movies you cannot deny they where made with no care or respect what-so-ever.

They where made by suits.

Feanor:
by Playkins
Jun 12th, 2007
09:47:17 PM
Well, you just said it, didn't you? He knew the risks, he did it anyway. Don't cry when you piss someone off for writing an entirely negative review and then get fired because of it. Fuck, what do you think would happen to me if I wrote an email to all our clients at my job telling them that I thought our products were ass and not to buy it?
That link corrected:
by Tripman5000
Jun 12th, 2007
09:47:48 PM
http://www.totalfilm.com/cinem a_reviews/films_out_this_week/ fantastic_four_rise_of_the_sil ver_surfer
Somebpdy screwed up.
by Bronx Cheer
Jun 12th, 2007
09:49:09 PM
There is no way in hell any decent theater would allow the test screening projectionist to work without the understanding that he/she cannot discuss the films being screened. If it turns out Mem's employer failed to safeguard Fox's corporate secrets, then Fox should end its business relationship with that theater.

Even if there were no instructions to not disclose what he'd seen during these screenings, I firmly believe on moral and ethical grounds that Memflix violated Fox's trust. These films cost a fortune, and a company has every right to safeguard its investment. People keep bringing up the First Amendment. This is not a constitutional matter. Memflix put his employers at risk and in most cases his employer would have a clear right to terminate him. But they also have an obligation to reprimand him and move forward because, if this is the truth, they did not warn him about nondisclosure.

And yes, while Fox was within their rights to take aggressive action, they also behaved like a Massive Evil Corporation for using the equivalent of an atom bomb to kill a fly. If they're actually paying people for positive reviews, they could at least extend the courtesy to Memflix to help him keep his job or find a new one. They overreacted.

They suck. The theater management sucks. And while I sympathize with Memflix, he should not be writing reviews if he is screening films for test audiences for the studios. That is clearly a no-no, regardless whether you've been warned.

Hire Memflix as a reviewer? How about a friggen nooo!!
by J-Dizzle
Jun 12th, 2007
09:49:38 PM
Honestly, with Harry reviewing do we really need another fuck up?
pjdon: BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!
by Playkins
Jun 12th, 2007
09:49:39 PM
Go fucking talk to Tim Story who just dumped probably 2 years of his life into this film and ask him if he didn't care!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's bullshit nonsense!!!! Fuck you!!!!!!!
the animation harry
by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell
Jun 12th, 2007
09:50:03 PM
what the fuck man. WHAT THE FUCK.
The Total FIlm review:
by pjdon
Jun 12th, 2007
09:51:32 PM
It gives it 3 stars and says it is more enjoyable than the first. It doesn't care whether Galactus is a cloud or not but still slates the film for all the problems everyone else has.

I wouldn't say it is a fair review, I'm sure if I didn't know anything about FF then I could enjoy it for a bit of popcorn fun aswell.

Memflix fired?
by Tripman5000
Jun 12th, 2007
09:52:35 PM
He said he was suspended...
Playkins don't be an aggressive asshole please
by pjdon
Jun 12th, 2007
09:57:18 PM
I'm sure if Tim Story (who i would quite happily say anything posted on this TB to) cared about the FF he would have stepped down or put a bit more effort in.

He got paid a lot of money for them 2 years, most people would leave their standards at the door for a few million.

Mem says he was kicked down to a regular position
by Bronx Cheer
Jun 12th, 2007
09:58:07 PM
losing the higher pay of the test projectionist. So he lost his job, literally, but if I understood his blog, he was still employed but suspended...I think.
Also you say
by pjdon
Jun 12th, 2007
09:59:34 PM
that Memflix shouldn't be slagging films if he works in a cinema?

He doesn't work for FOX!

If I go into a respected cinema/video shop/book shop and ask the staff if a film/book is any good I expect them to tell me. Not say 'oh I work in a cinema, I must say all the films are good.'

on the subject of memflix and Fox
by smackfu
Jun 12th, 2007
10:00:15 PM
Fox deserves no animosity for what happened. Here's the way it plays out:
Fox - Hey theater chain, one of your employees is fucking up our shit. Why should we do business with you when you burn us like this?
Theatre Chain - hey employee, you got us in big shit with our meal ticket and almost cost us a contract, you're fired.
Seems pretty clear cut to me. We live in a world with very few moral absolutes, and whether him getting fired is good or bad depends on who you are. If you're the guy running the theatre, or any of the other employees who might have ended up out of a job after their theatre lost Fox, firing Memflix was a pretty good thing. If you're Memflix, or his now hungry kids, it was a bad, unjust thing. The bottom line is, memflix knew what he was doing. I think it's pretty much universally known in the modern workplace that if you post negative shit about your company or their business partners online, and get caught, your ass is getting fired.
Dude, fuck Memflix...
by tehgreekhammer
Jun 12th, 2007
10:03:42 PM
Im sure he signed some kind of contract when he signed on to work there. I had to do the same thing when I was hired at my editorial company that Im forbidden to talk about any of the projects that were working on with anyone outside the company, industry magazines/newspapers (unless authorized by the client), or on any online website.

thems the rules and if he signed his name on that dotted line, then he has no leg to stand on.

from what it sounds like, it seems like this movie is going to rock. (big purple cloud aside)

I'm sure MEMFLIX has no hard
by pjdon
Jun 12th, 2007
10:06:14 PM
feelings towards his employers, they are just protecting their business.

FOX are the assholes here.

Vince McMahon will get MemFlix his job back
by zillabeast
Jun 12th, 2007
10:06:22 PM
He knows how to handle shit. Unlike David Chase.
"He doesn't work for FOX!"
by smackfu
Jun 12th, 2007
10:07:59 PM
They are business partners with a mutually beneficial relationship. If you want to test your logic, go look up who the company you work for is partnered with, then start publicly slamming that partner. See how fast you get in shit.
Memflix and I aren't "kin."
by Barry Egan
Jun 12th, 2007
10:08:50 PM
Fox has invested a 9 figure amount of money into this product, they should protect their investment. If you work for an employer and don't follow your employer's policies you are going to get your ass fired. Welcome to the adult world, kids.
When it comes to reviews I only truly trust 2 sources:
by pjdon
Jun 12th, 2007
10:08:52 PM
Empire

and

Total Film

Total film are sometimes slightly over positive and Empire are sometimes slightly too critical.

Read both and get the perfect perspective of how well a film works.

So how many here are also
by JUSTICE41
Jun 12th, 2007
10:10:06 PM
So how many here are also going to boycott Die Harder? That's a FOX flick as well or are you guys just yammering?
Zillbeast:
by Barry Egan
Jun 12th, 2007
10:10:48 PM
Vince will just get Memflix a ride in an exploding limo. Watching that last night killed at least 9% of my brain cells.
pjdon, I don't know about anyone else, but I don't
by Bronx Cheer
Jun 12th, 2007
10:13:46 PM
think people are saying what you're attributing. My take, and many others as well, is that Memflix, by simply posting a review, did something wrong. His job depends on discretion. Anyone running test screenings needs to have a projectionist they can trust. If a projectionist posts reviews, or videos the film and uploads it to a torrent site, that's wrong.

This isn't grammar school. This is big business. Fox has every right to protect its investments. But they also should hunt down all the other people who have violated their embargo. As Mori wrote, if this is truly about an embargo, then Fox must mow down all the squealers. Otherwise, go to hell, Fox, for bringing the weight of your company down on the neck of one individual who happened to hate your film.

But then there's the issue of actually posting these reviews in the first place, and I think it's flat-out wrong for Harry to run this site for spies. In effect, he's aiding and abetting corporate espionage. For every one of you who sees a test screening and signs a nondisclosure doc and then runs home to write a review with the hope Harry puts it up, shame on you. Have you no honor? This is why the world sucks. People are liars and two-faced shits.

Memflix
by Craig2574
Jun 12th, 2007
10:13:51 PM
The guy did most likely sign an agreement and he violated that trust. As someone who works in the broadcast medium I see many things before it airs. I have signed agreements that states I am not allowed to share that information with anyone.
Galactus Wears Purple Pants
by Preacher_klee
Jun 12th, 2007
10:13:59 PM
Galactus doesn't have 10K friends ... yet. #10,000 could be you! or you! or even you! Actually, I just started it, so #100 could be one of you. myspace.com/galactuswearspurpl epants also join the Facebook group. I'm not recommending a boycott, just that you skip opening weekend. Let them sweat it a bit.
I do agree smackfu
by pjdon
Jun 12th, 2007
10:17:16 PM
but when working in the art industry there should be some law that you are allowed to critise bad peices of art.

The cinema and FOX both know that anyone with half a brain knows this film is shit and they know they will still make money.

Memflix telling us lot (who already new it was going to blow) is NOT going to hurt their property.

In fact, I don't know about any of you but i always feel more inclined to go to a film if I hear it is really really shit than if I hear it is just very average.

I couldn't wait to see Batman and Robin when I read the review wheras Ghost Rider I can't be arsed with cuz all I heard was that it is very bland.

pjdon: (READ SMACKFU'S POST FIRST)
by Playkins
Jun 12th, 2007
10:17:45 PM
Yours is an innacurate analolgy. It wasn't that he bashed the film, it's that he SHOULDN'T have been talking about it in the first place. I deal with NDAs all the time (that's NON-DISCLOSURE AGREEMENTS). If I spilled the beans about stuff anywhere, it would be my ass. Point is, Memflix knew he shouldn't talk about it. Fox flipped out. They had every right to. SMACKFU has the most correct assessment of anyone here yet. Clearly he's one of the few around here with any idea how companies, marketing, and contracts work.
Another Blow to the Imagination
by DoctorShock
Jun 12th, 2007
10:19:39 PM
"89 minutes. PERFECT. In and out and take the kids to Chuck E Cheese."- from the above review.... For anyone who knows just how badly this whole property is being destroyed, those words in particular will be proof positive of how low the makers of this film have aimed. And in terms of Galactus, to say it again- We have not had a true epic representation of a "giant" since the days of Ray Harryhausen. What was old is so waiting to become new it's a joke. Let's get this straight. You will always, always have people who think a giant in purple cannot be done well (and God forbid we design him to look even better than ever and use whatever colors the artists wish- its is called production design). There are just as many who thought hobbits would never ever work well, remember? Or Doctor Octopus- just a silly comic creation of a guy with a Moe Howard haircut in sunglasses with robot arms and a trench coat! Anyone here remember how Superman's costume would never work in a movie? It gets so sad to hear these people who lack the ability to BELIEVE and make the character LIVE spouting their "wisdom". They never know what they are missing and they never will. Did it ever occur to them that a "space cloud" has been done to death and has become standard science fiction fodder? Let's all welcome "V-Ger" again folks, which almost sunk the Star Trek film franchise before it got started. Be honest all of you, which line would you be in, the one for the movie of a space cloud that attacks NYC, or the movie which features a gigantic vampire-like titan destroying the cities? I know which line I'd be in! A side note, thank God for Spike Jones doing Where The Wild Things Are. Tim Story would have Bernie Mac and Cedric the Entertainer grinning in the moonlight! This Fantastic Four sitcom will earn it's modest money and fill those Chuck E. Cheeses, and that is the worst we can do to our beloved heroes and characters from the past, in any medium. I've never read a Tim Story interview where he did not speak in terms of marketing and age groups. Where are you, Walter Mosley, who wrote such a great essay called Maximum FF? To hear effects being saved by having Johnny Storm use the powers of the team to fight the Surfer. So sad when we should see 4 of them taking their abilities to the max. And how often must we suffer removing the character faces to ensure we see the true actors faces? Ultimately, nobody under 30 is going to suspect they've been had, that a greater movie was waiting to blow them all away. The above mentioning of Chuck E. Cheese had me remembering how I felt that's what this film was going to be several months ago, so I leave you with what I said then. Allow an illustrator(for the past 20 years)who was long ago influenced to draw at a young age by the work of Jack Kirby and others to speak a bit. I am by no means a "comic geek" or "fanboy" (In other words I don't find Alba remotely talented and when I brought up her name with a casting director friend of mine at dinner, she of course laughed and claimed her "horrible"). The sad truth is found if one merely skims through "44 Years of Fantastic Four" on DVD Rom. Other than when John Byrne worked on the title, Marvel comics gave their flagship series to hacks to constantly reinvent, time after time. No one seemed able to follow in Lee and Kirby/ Buscema's footsteps (small wonder with the "talent" chosen). Take a look and you'll see some of the worst art and writing in the history of comics and illustration during the 80's through the 90's. New people came and went through the revolving door, changing at will the comics storyline (remember Alicia marrying Johnny?). The comic became a "Love Boat" for last chance characters Marvel wanted to keep alive (anyone remember Ms. Marvel on the team? For a year?). They even tried titillation with Sue Richards as the new leader of the team, dressed in white stockings and huge cleavage. It was grimace inducing and I had forgotten just how wretched the magazine became. I was sorry to rediscover this in gory detail (often, only 2 original members were even in the comic!). In other words, Marvel, for a very long time, has woefully forgotten how truly wonderful the first 130ish issues were, how they led the field along with Spider-man. No one since has been able to get inside the heads of the characters and take them forward again. At the very least, we all have those wonderful 12 years or so when it was something to look forward to---that next issue. Now the latest regime at Marvel has been very fortunate to have Raimi and his producers, and the great Alvin Sargent no less, to be the custodians of Spider-man in film, but it seems only luck for them was involved after seeing their choices for FF. Fantastic four should be given to people who respect the material just as much as Raimi's team does their icon, and take each character and villian as a challenge to bring faithfully to the screen (check out Chris Reeve in the new Superman box DVD--- in the vintage special for the first Supes movie, he gives a textbook example of how to commit to playing a legendary comic character). Adaptation is not castration of the imagination, and there was a reason this was the best selling comic of it's time. Within the universe of the FF, buildings shook, worlds within worlds were discovered, and a titan straight out of mythology came down from the skies to destroy the planet, and this group of characters, absolutely vulnerable and scared like everyone around them, battled against it all with New York City as the stage. You want someone to see this, to feel it and understand it, not glance at it and proclaim it unusable with today's audience. Did Raimi do that with Dr. Octopus--- a guy with crazy arms sticking out of his ribs and sunglasses beneath a Moe Howard cut? Now he is real to you as a flesh and blood movie character because Raimi did the work so well. He had the imagination, as did a devoted actor sincerely portraying him and they obviously had the respect to the source material that thrilled so many, young and old. Raimi has brought out characters this team behind FF would change in every way until they were either scrapped or were totally unrecognizable. Where is the writer of quality to bring FF to the screen like an Alvin Sargent? Does anyone in this talkback read books? Know who Walter Mosely is? Know that he shares the same opinion about the FF? Has anyone in the cast or crew even been given his book "Maximum FF"? I know absolutely he would write a script for the FF without hesitation. (Mosley's Easy Rawlins was adapted faithfully by Carl Franklin). So let this latest sad enterprise make 100 million for the "date crowd". That is all Marvel and Tim Story are aiming for. They are not making the FF for it's fans. They are making 2 hours of Chuckee Cheese equivalent "filmed entertainment". They are making marketing. They are not interested in ambition, or scope, or history. They don't even know their role as custodians. It is almost a deconstruction going on (one look at their version of the Thing and you can see how they really don't like the look of the comic characters and are fighting them tooth and nail.) The worst part, beyond sticking it to Kirby's vision, is that with the story of Galactus, one of the most memorable to come out of comics, a wonderful knock your socks off "Independence Day meets Superman" style film could have been made. It would have thrilled so many more who never read the comic, but go to the movie theater in the summer to escape into wonderment. They will never see that movie now and never know what they missed, because Tim Story, and Marvel cannot see it in their heads. (this just in, they cave in to pressure to make Doom's jaw move like so many artists did in the past, Hell, even the 60's cartoon did instead of the "power ranger effect----poor Doom). At this point, Pray for the Watchmen to be made right. I hear it is even safe to take a popcorn covered date along.
oh,
by Playkins
Jun 12th, 2007
10:19:40 PM
Bronx Cheer definitely has a brain, too.
I work on the biggest of the big budget features...
by Bronx Cheer
Jun 12th, 2007
10:21:53 PM
and you won't hear a word out of me about them. Because that would be wrong, and I can keep a fucking secret. I'm not four years old and have to prove how cool I am because guess what I saw!!!!!1shift1
That and the fact that FOX
by JUSTICE41
Jun 12th, 2007
10:22:00 PM
That and the fact that FOX probably hates this site and Harry. That probably tipped the scales over against Memflix.
Maybe so
by Feanor_35
Jun 12th, 2007
10:24:32 PM
Playkins,Barry--good points I reckon--just seemed like the big bad suit beating down some kid who was just voicing an opinion but no, I suupose y'all are right. Sorry for the knee jerk quasi socialist defense of the "little guy". Glad y'all were gracious and I was spared the vociferous virtriol that gets rained down on folks here it seems--especially first time posting and all. Read many of y'all's posts and nice to meet you. It is a business afterall
Bronx Cheer:
by Playkins
Jun 12th, 2007
10:24:45 PM
I hear you man, I really do.
JUSTICE41 is probably dead-on.
by Bronx Cheer
Jun 12th, 2007
10:25:20 PM
Vendettas are a bitch. You bad mouth the big guys long enough (wrong or right) and they'll eventually come gunning for you. That's why Mori's got massive stones. Fox could really make waves for him. Ultimately though, the film biz needs scripts, and it looks like Mori's got the goods.
I wish I could tell you what I thought of the movie
by lost.rules
Jun 12th, 2007
10:26:15 PM
Glitter...but I work at Blockbuster and could get fired if I told you it was shit.
lost.rules, show some courage...how was Glitter?
by Bronx Cheer
Jun 12th, 2007
10:27:48 PM
I have been seriously thinking of renting it!

Kiddin g, just kidding.
Playkins, I have a brain, but I don't use most of it.
by Bronx Cheer
Jun 12th, 2007
10:29:09 PM
If I did, I would be doing something with my life, instead of trying to cut my throat with my Ace pocket comb. It burns but that's about it.
Hey FOX, I've got an Idea.
by lost.rules
Jun 12th, 2007
10:29:49 PM
Alright. Here's how we could make some money. Let's make The Bible into a movie. People love religion, so we'll make billions. And we don't have to spend much on special FX. We'll just turn Jesus into a cloud. Box office gold, baby.
Didn't David Chase shoot 3 different Sopranos endings?
by Barry Egan
Jun 12th, 2007
10:30:00 PM
He did it to protect his property so the ending wouldn't be spoiled. Memflix was trashing a movie he didn't like, but what if he was revealing spoilers that might ruin the film or make people less likely to see it.
yo lost.rules.:
by Playkins
Jun 12th, 2007
10:30:16 PM
So give it up! What's in your "employees picks"?
Speaking of Mori,
by Barry Egan
Jun 12th, 2007
10:33:02 PM
I would like to hear from him in the talkback. I respect his thoughts (he is far and away the best contributor to AICN) and would like to hear his response to those that disagree.
DoctorShock, studio movies are commercial products
by Bronx Cheer
Jun 12th, 2007
10:33:43 PM
And I'd say 90 minutes for a breezy comic book flick is a good run time. Whoever started the idea that movies like this need to be 140 minutes...well, that someone needs an ass-kicking. It's like what happened to rock-n-roll songs. The perfect song is three minutes thirty seconds max! I don't need every damned song to be an epic. Nor do I need every damned film to approach three fours! That's bullshit!
Eli Roth in cooperation with Michael Bay for FOX....
by lost.rules
Jun 12th, 2007
10:34:22 PM
Studios present The Bible. Starring Shia Leboef as GOD. El Nino as Jesus. And Jesica Alba as the virgin Mary. Brillant. Just brillant.
I call bullshit
by SithMenace
Jun 12th, 2007
10:34:50 PM
Greenhouse called everyone fuckers at the end of his review. Sounds like an angry studio plant to me.
Now I'm thinking of a Wild Hogs/Glitter double feature
by Bronx Cheer
Jun 12th, 2007
10:36:03 PM
Good times.
lost.rules NO. WAY.
by Playkins
Jun 12th, 2007
10:37:22 PM
Did you just compare the Bible to the Fantastic Four!?!?!?! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Better than the Ultimate Nullifier? You just
by superninja
Jun 12th, 2007
10:37:30 PM
invalidated your review with that statement. Hey, Galactus would've looked fine, it's part of that lost art called EDITING.
Sith, I denounce yiour bullshit call.
by Bronx Cheer
Jun 12th, 2007
10:38:15 PM
Greenhouse was shouting down the plant accusations, not everyone. Besides, Greenie can call me whatever he/she wants...I can take it. Except for stupid. That hurts my feelings.
Did any of you Pro Fox jackoffs
by Phategod2
Jun 12th, 2007
10:39:34 PM
read the Memflix said He did not sign any form of NDA.
Superninja
by Colonel Activity
Jun 12th, 2007
10:40:13 PM
Don't you think Diablo would be a kick ass villain for this franchise, which is going to continue after this abortion of a movie?
Awww, damage control is so cute.
by superninja
Jun 12th, 2007
10:41:09 PM
Why do so many SCREAM for the Joker in purple
by Bronx Cheer
Jun 12th, 2007
10:41:11 PM
but then run in fear at the thought of the Planet Eater in the same colors. Granted, the original character design is a little goofy, but so are a lot of comic book designs, and I get used to them. It's about the story, not the pants. Unless its The Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants.
Playkins and Bronx Cheer
by pjdon
Jun 12th, 2007
10:41:35 PM
Memflix doesn't work on films, he works in a cinema. He never signed a thing. He said so himself.

I never said he shouldn't have lost his job, i said the cinema where fair in that they where only protecting their business.

It is FOX who are the assholes, they tried to save face over a bad film by attacking one little guy and it has just made them look worse.

The point of this site is that when a film is bad studios try and keep the fact underwraps till it comes out so it won't efect their takings.

If a film is good and someone leaks a review then everyone is happy.

If a film is bad and the studio leave press screenings till the last posible moment and someone gets in a review proving this fact then it is a positive thing for us film fans.

I have an idea. If you are too uncreative to make
by superninja
Jun 12th, 2007
10:42:53 PM
superhero movies with characters dressed and acting like superheroes, maybe superhero movies are not for you!
STORY IN LA .... = .... ROY STALIN
by Seph_J
Jun 12th, 2007
10:43:29 PM
Didn't see that before. Nice work.
Okay, cool, now back to that GL Movie?
by nonsensical
Jun 12th, 2007
10:43:46 PM
Who did we say we wanted?

James Marsters or Aaron Eckart as Hal Jordan?

Omar Epps or "that guys from Heroes?... which makes me wonder if you all meant Leonard Roberts (DL) or Jimmy Jean-Louis (Haitian) as Jon Stewart. Personally I like the Haitian.

Ricky Ulman as Kyle Raynor?... I don't think anyone mentioned anybody else.

Ron Pearlman as Kilowog. I mean it if you can think of anyone better you let me know.

Now we talked a lot about who would play Guy Gardner and I think people threw out names like Matt Damon which led us to an Oceans 11 GL movie which you all know would have sucked, but I think ultimately the best choice would be Alan Tyduk.

Any thoughts now that this topic has already been beaten to death?

Harry ..
by mr dark
Jun 12th, 2007
10:44:16 PM
Don't you need someone to fill in while your on your Honey's moon Could it be ...Memflix..
FOS
by superninja
Jun 12th, 2007
10:44:58 PM
Friends of Story. In London this time, not LA.
Commercial Product= Castration of the Imagination
by DoctorShock
Jun 12th, 2007
10:45:42 PM
Just to add-- I'd take an 89 minute excellent film, or a 189 minute one. That was not the point. Film itself is not commercial, any more than blank canvas or tape. It's what the artist does with it which determines what it will become. There is a huge difference between "Mac and Me" and "E.T". I'm sure that every single person here knows what that is. You've got nothing but commercial product? You've got nothing.
memflex shoud
by RokurGepta
Jun 12th, 2007
10:46:26 PM
sue the fuck out of fox
Saying this site should not allow spies
by pjdon
Jun 12th, 2007
10:48:00 PM
defies the whole point of this site.

Spies are only bad if your film is bad and you are trying to cover up this fact.

This site was built on 2 films:

Titanic: everyone thought it was going to stink, Harry saw it early said it was great and some might say secured the early word fortunes of the film.

Batman and Robin: was hidden away till the last moment, Harry got in a very early review and made somwhat of a dent in a film that is so bad people should have been shot over it.

Don't be saying that Don Murphy mess, BSB.
by superninja
Jun 12th, 2007
10:49:06 PM
Jack Black to star in Green Hornet: Year One
by RokurGepta
Jun 12th, 2007
10:49:14 PM
word is Tony Jaa is in talks to play Kato.

pjdon, I was clear in my opinion of Fox
by Bronx Cheer
Jun 12th, 2007
10:51:39 PM
but there's plenty of blame to spread around. I'd seen scripts this year for most of the episodes for a much-beloved TV show's final season, yet signed no NDA because they were given to me by someone who knows someone etc, but I didn't come on here running my mouth. That would have been fucked up. I don't need someone to tell me right from wrong. I could have spilled all sorts of negative gossip about a film that's coming out some time in the next year but that would have been childish and unethical because it was a closed set. I didn't sign an agreement, but I know better. I don't need to be told not to stick my hand in the fire. I know the fire burns.
MORI GOT IT RIGHT INDEED!!
by mr dark
Jun 12th, 2007
10:53:28 PM
I second that B.S.B. I see a ferver developing over this...Sweeping over the talkback like a cloud of space debris.. MEMFLIX Do you hear the crowd.. They're behind you boy.. Long live Memflix...
nonsensical
by pjdon
Jun 12th, 2007
10:53:47 PM
I sugested the Oceans 11 version as a joke. It was only so we could have a casino in space and therfore have 'space-dollars'.

I really can't wait till 2010 or maybe 2011 when we all use space-dollars and argue about films on the space-internet on our space-computers.

DocShock, it's not that difficult...I said STUDIO films
by Bronx Cheer
Jun 12th, 2007
10:56:11 PM
are commercial products just like toasters. Film is not an art like painting. It's a collaborative medium, much like shipbuilding. You have to have plans, materials, and leadership with vision, and there have been amazing works or art that have come out of the process. But let's not get all misty about filmmaking. It's commerce, Doc, big business that Fox et al do. They ain't no freaking artists.
pjdon...
by nonsensical
Jun 12th, 2007
10:56:16 PM
I know... but even as a joke you know the film would be just plain awful. So, let's see how long it takes for some dipshit exec to suggest it.
blah
by McClane_Corleone
Jun 12th, 2007
10:57:14 PM
They're both plants.
pjdon: you have that wrong
by Playkins
Jun 12th, 2007
10:59:09 PM