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What Make The Critics
Of DEADWOOD Mastermind David Milch’s Latest For HBO, JOHN FROM CINCINNATI??

I miss Carnivale. by Boondock Devil	Jun 10th, 2007 03:52:59 AM
It'd be on it's what... 4th, 5th season by now?
i dont know.. by bob oblaw	Jun 10th, 2007 04:09:23 AM
but then again, that was my first reaction to 'Carnivale' and 'Big Love' when they premiered their first episodes... Time will tell.
Why are they making a show about me? by lost.rules	Jun 10th, 2007 04:21:25 AM
?
Supernatural? by supertoyslast	Jun 10th, 2007 04:30:21 AM
I haven't heard much about this show besides it being a surfer drama from David Milch. 'Surfer drama' did not give me much hope, but 'David Milch' did. I had assumed that it would be naturalistic drama. Throwing in supernatural stuff makes it sound very odd. And not in a good way. But I will give it a chance because of Milch. I just hope he hasn't forestalled a proper conclusion to Deadwood in order to produce a self-consciously odd unsatisfying hodge podge.
Bring back Deadwood by optimus122	Jun 10th, 2007 04:49:39 AM
COCKSUCKING HOOPLE HEADS!!
It isn't surprising this has been met with negativity by Angry Mean Panda	Jun 10th, 2007 05:34:47 AM
They've been running ads for the damn show for weeks and I don't know anyone who was able to decipher what exactly the show was about other than Surf Jesus.
Eli Roth has chosen Betamax and here's why by RokurGepta	Jun 10th, 2007 05:57:49 AM
because Hostel Part II effing sucks
Has anyone heard about Flight of the Conchords?... by DanielKurland	Jun 10th, 2007 06:08:15 AM
I've seen some commercials for it, and it looks interesting, and I could really go for another HBO comedy that is really funny.
i prefer describing the show as by RokurGepta	Jun 10th, 2007 06:14:46 AM
a story about a family of surfers with a twist of "stranger in a strange land", shaken not stirred.
Genre: pretentious garbage by DynamixRo	Jun 10th, 2007 06:41:21 AM
Milch is not Lynch, and a tv series is not a movie. Also, scheduling the pilot right after "The Sopranos" finale can only hurt it.
Daniel Kurland by paulrichard	Jun 10th, 2007 08:43:58 AM
You can watch the Conchords pilot at myspace (for people who are wondering they have 18281 friends): http://www.myspace.com/conchor ds. You can also watch some funny at Youtube.
the times name-dropped carnivale by Holodigm	Jun 10th, 2007 08:53:22 AM
albeit in a negative way, they still name-dropped carnivale. i'm there.
I usually don't believe in boycotts but... by eppdude	Jun 10th, 2007 08:57:15 AM
FUCK this show. and fuck David Milch - the cocksucker. Choosing to go with a surfing show over DEADWOOD? It's fucking unforgivable.
what's the status on the "deadwood" miniseries? by Toe Jam	Jun 10th, 2007 09:10:30 AM
is that still going to happen, or did milch and hbo lie about that just to get us "deadwood" fans to stfu about the show being cancelled? i'm discouraged by these reviews of "john from cincinnati," because i thought milch would at least offer up something nearly as good as "deadwood," but i guess that's pretty fucking impossible.
The critics all seem to understand..... by Mel Garga	Jun 10th, 2007 09:22:50 AM
that sometimes a turd is just a turd no matter whose overrated ass it came from. We're expected to have patience enough to wait for this show to find itself? Bullshit, there's way too much competition for viewership, not to mention music, the internet and even books, if you're into that old-fashioned stuff. Running this immediately following the Sopranos finale will be anti-climactic to say the least.
Rebecca de Mornay was extra smoking in the Muskateer by Col. Tigh-Fighter	Jun 10th, 2007 09:43:38 AM
movie. The one with the Brat pack and Tim Curry. Its true!
eppdude, he didn't CHOOSE this over deadwood by Holodigm	Jun 10th, 2007 09:49:04 AM
deadwood was cancelled. and milch wasn't happy about that.
Does this show... by chi3fhog	Jun 10th, 2007 09:49:08 AM
employ employ liberal use of "Milch-speak?" I want my "anyways," "yeah huh?," and "Are they gnarly today, the waves?"
Mega Backlash by caseylane	Jun 10th, 2007 10:02:54 AM
And I'm part of it. I felt like Deadwood was taken away because TPTB saw a show with "hot young people" in the future and wanted to go with that. Forget great writing, bring on the OC. I'm not watching. I haven't joined any group to boycott but I personally feel cheated so I'll just sit this one out.
is Conchords by INWOsuxRED	Jun 10th, 2007 10:27:33 AM
going to be two guys being wacky with guitars? I lose all interest when comics pull out a guitar. I've seen good reviews for that show, so I will give it a try. I just don't feel very connected to HBO anymore. When Curb ends, that will probably be the end of my HBO subscription.
Milch's Last Stand? by Mr. Nice Gaius	Jun 10th, 2007 10:33:58 AM
How about that David Milch fucking blowhard, huh? I'll tell you this son, you can mark my words, Milch and HBO developed "John from Cincinnati" and bought their "Deadwood" fans one good, longterm assfucking. You do not want to be a dirt-worshipping HBO-exec from this fucking point forward. Pardon my French.
Carnivale at the beach by Mgmax	Jun 10th, 2007 11:02:04 AM
Didn't HBO already give us one white-trash-Messiah TV series no one understood? What on earth made them think we needed two?
Holodigm by Rebeck3	Jun 10th, 2007 11:31:15 AM
You're both wrong actually. HBO wanted more "Deadwood", but only if he would commit to a certain amount of episodes, "seasons". He wouldn't do it - because he was losing his interest obviously - and they want on to this apparent piece of crap Jesus surfing show.
I miss Carnivale and I miss Deadwood by Evil Hobbit	Jun 10th, 2007 11:47:41 AM
bring them back please! Looking forward to John.
David Milch has chosen 480i and here's why... by Stereotypical Evil Archer	Jun 10th, 2007 12:21:09 PM
Why does HBO care about ratings? I thought they were about subscriptions and DVD sales; how about marketing? I want to buy Deadwood Happy Meals with Mr. Wu Mini Bobbleheads. What's amazing is that HBO is making George R.R. Martin's A Game of Thrones into a show. It will be amazing, it will be cool, it will be groundbreaking, it will have a dedicated audience, HBO will cancel it. HBO needs to let a series grow to 60 episodes and make some good money off syndication. Titus Pullo, come back and kill for me again.
This crap instead of Deadwood. by tristeele	Jun 10th, 2007 12:30:08 PM
Fucking Bullshit. Give us our wrapup movies.
I wouldn't subscribe to HBO for this. by lfhlaw	Jun 10th, 2007 01:12:41 PM
and those that do watch it. In 2 seasons, HBO will cancel this and you'll be bitching and moaning again about it or maybe it will be cancelled in one year. who know? who cares? Clues? Let's see. Carnivale, Deadwood, Rome, any others? BTW I miss Carnivale too.
Herc: Stop talking like Bill O'Reilly! by Homer Goes DOH	Jun 10th, 2007 01:23:54 PM
Geeze, it's annoying. "What say you?" "What make the critics of BLANK". Stan Lee could get away with it. In the FRIGGING SIXTIES. You can't.
Meh by Birdys Piano Teacher	Jun 10th, 2007 01:24:43 PM
Lost interest in Deadwood and I never had it for Carnivale. HBO's getting a little thin these days.
Can't they start cancelling soap operas? by Jakes Nel	Jun 10th, 2007 01:29:00 PM
I would like that very much...
Conchords is worth the HBO sub by TheGreatPumpkin	Jun 10th, 2007 02:21:30 PM
They (HBO)had a small premiere of sorts for the first episode here in Austin last Wednesday night at the Alamo downtown that I was fortunate enough to get into. It was only the first 30 min. episode (same as on MySpace), but it's smart and funny, without resorting to 4th wall camera-winking. It reminded me of something Wes Anderson would have made co-writing with the talent behind Arrested Development. Like another TB'er, I love me some Curb, but if Larry never comes back, Conchords will hold me over for now. For the TB'er that worries about guitars coming out, that doesn't happen here. The way songs are integrated into the show's events and their (Jermaine/Brit) lives only makes it that much funnier. Set the DVR for the 17th, my friends.
this makes no fucking sense by jonboy83	Jun 10th, 2007 02:24:29 PM
deadwood and rome and carnivale are too expensive to produce so we'll shove out cheap crap like big love and cincinnati shit to fill out the lineup. i got an idea on how to save money hbo. just produce 500 more episodes of real sex. you dont have to pay the actors money and all period piece costumes are provided by the actors!
Young Man Named Jon Monad? by The Ender Smites Foes	Jun 10th, 2007 03:15:30 PM
Uh, did I see the wrong teaser for this show? Because this guy looks about 57 years old.
NO, Holodigm, that's incorrect by eppdude	Jun 10th, 2007 04:48:18 PM
Milch was negotiating with HBO over season 4 of Deadwood. But he also wanted to do JFC. Deadwood has a heafty pricetag per ep, and HBO said Milch could only do one of the two. So Milch let Deadwood slide.
I'll watch it and then decide by FrodoFraggins	Jun 10th, 2007 04:59:48 PM
Iresubscribed to HBO for the sopranos Finale. And so I might as well watch this shows premiere. I stopped subscribing to HBO after they cancelled Carnivale without any kind of decent closure. I doubt I'll consider returning to HBO until the Deadwood miniseries. And I plan on mailing a letter explaining that.
My HBO subscribtion ends tonight!! by lost.rules	Jun 10th, 2007 05:33:27 PM
I'll miss you, Tony.
Screw HBO, Big Love, & John gimme SHOWTIME & FX by 2for2true	Jun 10th, 2007 06:57:36 PM
HBO has fooled me for the last time. After losing Deadwood, Rome & Carivale, I decided to spend my $$ on Showtime - Dexter, M.O.H., Weeds, great shows all. IMO, even FX has shows that beat HBO down to the roots (Shield, Rescue Me, Sunny in Philly, Riches). Ain't got me no interest in Surfin' Jesus or Paxton's Polygamy. As of Sunday @ 10:00pm EDT, cancel my subscription. HBO = Horribly Boring Offal.
HBO DVDs by coolhanderik	Jun 10th, 2007 07:57:32 PM
Why the hell are they so expensive? It's almost $100 for a season. Why would I want to pay that much if I don't even know if the shows are good? That's my excuse for never having seen Entourage or Deadwood. Flight of the Conchords is going to be awesome though, I watched the first ep, and it was quite funny, and they have several NY comedians in the show.
"Kyle XY" anyone? by Add to Friends	Jun 10th, 2007 07:59:00 PM
Is that even still on?
Milch/John from Cinn = Sorkin/Studio 60 by Add to Friends	Jun 10th, 2007 08:00:56 PM
Every great is allowed one or two phuck ups in his career.
If Rebecca De Mornay is around 45... by WONKABAR	Jun 10th, 2007 08:05:35 PM
which sounds about right...then the only way she could have a teenage "grandchild" of say, 15, would be if-- not only she herself had a child at 15, but her daughter/son also had a child at 15. Which would mean that if her "grandchild" were anything like the previous generations, then she's due to become a great-grand-parent pretty soon here. Ok, people behind this show, like, when you have to reach so hard make Rebecca De Mornay into the grandmother of teen...maybe you should just fucking cast somebody older in the the fucking grandmother part eh? Cuz, you know, 45 year old grand/great-grandmothers... so common in America...in 1907 maybe. In 2007 it's more common to see chicks in their 40's having their FIRST child. D00chbags, De Mornay must've been thrilled to find out who she would be playing. Not only do I not want to watch this show now, but I think would actually really like to punch the creators/writers, producers and casting-directors etc. of this show... in the face. Rebecca De Mornay as a teenagers grandmother...yeah, Risky Business is over 20 years old, but that is still the dumbest shit I've seen in awhile.
All these reviews are based on 3 episodes by Great Czars Ghost	Jun 10th, 2007 08:59:22 PM
I remember when Rome started the reviews of the first 3 episodes were bad as the show was going is lots of directions before finding it's footing. By the 4th and 5th episode is was some of the best stuff on TV in a long time but by then lots of people had left. Deadwood was great and I'm going to watch the full season of John From Cin just in case lighting can strike twice.
I'll take Deadwood over this show anyday by NHRonin	Jun 10th, 2007 09:32:12 PM
And anyone who says any different sucks cock by choice.
After Sopranos by Monkey Man Zero	Jun 10th, 2007 09:38:51 PM
The should have just left the screen blank for another hour.
AND by Monkey Man Zero	Jun 10th, 2007 09:40:01 PM
Any show that doesn't show me Rebecca DeMornay's titties sucks balls. (Except shows I like that do not feature said titties.)
After the first fifteen minutes . . . by jocutus	Jun 10th, 2007 09:40:37 PM
I was already sick of hearing the name "Butchy". Can I possibly stand a whole series of that? Hmmmm . . .
Rebecca D still shacking up with Leonard Cohen? by EvilWizardGlick	Jun 10th, 2007 10:11:10 PM
Last I knew she was hooked up with Leonard Cohen. I also thought he was on some monastery kick as well. She did look nice and I was surprised no nudity. Has HBO become prudish?
I gave up on it after 25 minutes by Dr Hemlock	Jun 10th, 2007 10:11:50 PM
Cleaning the dinner dishes was more interesting.
Why bitch about the foundation laying episode. by EvilWizardGlick	Jun 10th, 2007 10:16:07 PM
While JFC didn't grab me like Deadwood in episode 1 it was clearly laying the foundation for the rest of the season. Didn't anyone catch John making random predictions during the fight scene? And the pocket thing is pretty slick. It has potential to be all out surreal and Twin Peaks characterization strange.
Rebecca dehornay by supersize	Jun 10th, 2007 10:16:49 PM
She's more like 48 .Also really dug that show no idea what was goin on but I didn't care
Uh, that was retarded by WONKABAR	Jun 10th, 2007 10:17:05 PM
and like I said, the generations didn't add up. The "Botchee" guy doesn't seem credible as either De Mornay's son or that kid's dad. The kid should have been like, 18 or 19 and they should have just been his older parents rather than his grandparents. But then again nothing really added up on this show anyway. The fuck-ups were many. The "John" character, "fairy-Barry" It was already unusual enough setting the show in a beach-town, you didn't need to top it off with layer upon layer quirky-weird....dumb. We already have Boston Legal
Actually... by McFrye	Jun 10th, 2007 10:18:07 PM
The reason Deadwood is done is because HBO only wanted to do six episodes in Season Four (which was always planned to be the last season, if I'm not mistaken). Milch wanted the usual 12 to tell the story, since he structures each episode as one day in the town's life. The only compromise that could be reached was Milch's idea of two two-hour films.
Potential by Darcher	Jun 10th, 2007 10:22:33 PM
Yeah I miss Deadwood, yeah I wanted more Rome, Sopranos was dissapointing, this has the potential to give us great characters a la Twin Peaks or Northern Exposure. Given the state of things on network TV and the fact that Showtime right now is vastly more interesting than HBO, I'll take what I can get. Ed O'Neill was fabulous and I love me some Luis Guzman. I will be turning in next week, but if you want to take make the Deadwood movies after this Milch, that'd be great.
After Curb's final season... by NHRonin	Jun 10th, 2007 10:40:28 PM
...I'm ridding my home of HBO. If this is the lame ass replacement for Deadwood, then count me out.
Deadwood 4 by Add to Friends	Jun 10th, 2007 11:25:36 PM
If the network wanted 6 hour-long eps, and Milch wanted to do 12, how does 2x2 hr movies constitute a compromise?
Yeah, they should've kept Carnivale by Freakemovie	Jun 10th, 2007 11:26:19 PM
It had its flaws (to be honest, I never really liked the entire Brother Justin storyline, which was like half the plot), but I still think about it sometimes. Some episodes were plain brilliant.
re Add to Friends by Freakemovie	Jun 10th, 2007 11:27:19 PM
Because if they're structured like movies instead of episodes, he can mess with the time frame and cover more ground than he could've with 6 episodes.
What is it with Milch and the F word? by memento108	Jun 11th, 2007 12:38:32 AM
I don't mind a FUCK here and there in my television or movies, but Christ, he uses the word more than excessively in this and Deadwood. Why is that? It's actually kinda annoying and distracting.
And the character of John.... by memento108	Jun 11th, 2007 12:51:23 AM
Is he retarded or what? Are they gonna make him an alien or something? That'd be hilarious.
what's Ed O'Neil got to do w/ this? Is he related to by GQtaste	Jun 11th, 2007 01:07:56 AM
them too?
It ain't Deadwood, ya hoopleheads... by OtisSpofford	Jun 11th, 2007 01:23:20 AM
And it ain't Carnivale - much as I'd like either of those to return - but it IS Milch, and he is more imaginative and interesting than most of the crap on TV today... Have you seen what the top 10 shows are these days? Christ, who is watching that drek? Our house will be tuning in for more of JofC - hoping for another cool, offbeat hit like Deadwood, Carnivale, Dead Like Me, etc.
HBO by B Arthur	Jun 11th, 2007 01:25:17 AM
This network is now pigeonholed in my view as the anticlimactic network. After the horrific ending to the sopranos, the only show on this expensive network that had a brilliant final episode was Six Feet Under. If youre already a fan of John From Cincinatti, be careful. HBO batting 1/5 in terms of finishing what they start in a proper fashion. What a fucking ripoff. Al Bundy was funny on this show though, so I hope we see more of him.
Also... by B Arthur	Jun 11th, 2007 01:31:09 AM
This show really got the shaft by debuting right after the finale of the Sopranos. I was so pissed about that anti-climax I watched this show in a pretty bad mood, wondering if 15 bucks a month was 15 to many for this shit. JFC looks like it has potential, but all the reviews are saying exactly what I don't want to hear. That this show, like the last 3 seasons of the Sopranos has no definable purpose. I really dont have the stomach for more of this pseudo art television.
Otis--- Drek? by memento108	Jun 11th, 2007 01:37:24 AM
What, like Lost, and 24 (ok, this past season was lame) and The Shield, and Rescue Me, and Heroes..and if we're staying on HBO, The Wire, Curb......if that's all drek, you just simply aren't watching fucking tv.
Um, explain? by The Fanboy	Jun 11th, 2007 03:30:31 AM
So, was dude (I believe the character was John) able to "fly" or some shit? I believed the plausible hallucination theory until his own son could stand there and see him floating off the ground?
Memento... by OtisSpofford	Jun 11th, 2007 03:58:12 AM
First of all, I am a big fan of the Shield, Heroes, 24 and Lost... But my friend, YOU are sadly mistaken if you think these are the top-rated shows - check your paper - it's Survivor, American Idol, Deal or No Deal - all "reality" and game shows - no sophisticated adult dramas for most of Amurica, thank you... While I'd love to see many more seasons of the Shield and Lost (even tho' their creators claim finite arcs), you can bet a lot more crap will be broadcast than terrific shows like these...
I'm in Love... by RokurGepta	Jun 11th, 2007 04:41:53 AM
this show effing rocks the party that rocks the party
I'm digging this.... by Angry Mean Panda	Jun 11th, 2007 04:48:09 AM
So it will be cancelled soon with no decent resolution. Yep.
on the subject of John by RokurGepta	Jun 11th, 2007 04:50:07 AM
uh he's clearly an Alien, his last name sounds french, whatever someone needs just so happens to be in his magic pockets.... he's a "stranger in a strange land"
favorite part so far by RokurGepta	Jun 11th, 2007 06:15:13 AM
I just about died laughing when Barry was playing with his Teddy Bear, pretending to make him Surf, and then wipe out... HILARIOUS
check out the official website by RokurGepta	Jun 11th, 2007 06:20:47 AM
it's pretty trippy www.johnmonad.com
Is this Milch's way... by Phimseto	Jun 11th, 2007 07:59:02 AM
...of getting HBO to pony up for a full season of Deadwood?
Im with Hobbit by grendel69	Jun 11th, 2007 08:24:36 AM
I miss Carnivale and Deadwood. Why have creativity when you can go for the mundane. Instead were going to have 2 new HBO shows about people bitching and complaining about their relationships and in therapy. BS shows pandering to 40something women. To quote Ari, Id rather stick needles in my cock than be subjected to that crap. Really, I mean who cares. If I wanted to hear people bitch and complain Id hang out with the people I work with. No thanks. Its not HBO its TV and we dont finish what we start either. Fuck HBO.
BTW by grendel69	Jun 11th, 2007 08:25:28 AM
Deadwood is the greatest show in the history of television. Cocksuckers.
Monad by Noetic Skein	Jun 11th, 2007 08:37:06 AM
Interesting last name: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M onad
Re: Interesting last name by RokurGepta	Jun 11th, 2007 08:54:56 AM
Wowzers, slap me and call me even more interested in this show... Thanks for the wiki link... VERY intriguing.... VERY
I think I read this book before... by PortnoysRevenge	Jun 11th, 2007 09:31:32 AM
John from Cincinatti = Stranger in a Strange Land.
i basically already said that exact thing by RokurGepta	Jun 11th, 2007 09:34:39 AM
thanks
While I've yet to see John by Lone_Gunman	Jun 11th, 2007 09:43:42 AM
While I've yet to see John from Cincinatti, but having a look at the synopsis of this show...well am thinking 'meh' but I'll give it a go. I aint gonna commit much to it, it'll probably get canned if I start liking it. By the way I like Carnivale, and look! it got screwed big style. Its been a while and I still have'nt gotten over it.
Otis by memento108	Jun 11th, 2007 09:47:55 AM
Yeah, I guess I was tired or something, I didn't gather that you were talking about ratings, I thought you meant just popular opinion around these parts. Oops.
It's because this is cheaper to make than Deadwood by Photoman	Jun 11th, 2007 09:53:41 AM
It's all in the present day. No period costumes that EVERYONE has to wear...including the extras. No special sets they need to construct. It's made in So Cal so everyone is right there and no traveling. No huge stars so no big salaries. This all adds up to cheap cheap cheap cheap.
We just passed the 3000th by Lone_Gunman	Jun 11th, 2007 10:21:30 AM
We just passed the 3000th post mark over on the Lost TB. Ave it!
This show was shitty by Neo Zeed	Jun 11th, 2007 10:33:45 AM
The dysfuctional family stuff was pretty mundane and unoriginal. I don't really care to see how the mystical stuff pays off, since the main plot is soooo boring.
I could criticize the lead characters last name... by KazamaSmokers	Jun 11th, 2007 10:36:01 AM
..but that would just be a Monad knock. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Man, I kill myself sometimes.
Making a show in which a man floats and no one cares... by Neo Zeed	Jun 11th, 2007 10:43:57 AM
is not automatically deep. It's just lazy writing. It's just easier not deal with it and claim to be Twin Peaks-ish. If a man floated that would be the main topic of conversation for the rest of the century, not if some little kid should or should not surf! Who cares about a Family Channel plot like that anyway?
Cheaper than Deadwood?? by grendel69	Jun 11th, 2007 11:04:34 AM
That doesnt hold water since HBO has 7 or 8 new shows in development.
THE TYRANNY AND THE BULLSHITS HAS GONE ON TO LONG by TheUltraHumanite	Jun 11th, 2007 12:10:07 PM
YOU OLD FUCKING TRIVS, WHO BLOCKED MY CHAT ABILITIES.... feel free to come and defend yourself /join #DeathToAICN
A Song of Ice and Fire by CatoTheCensor	Jun 11th, 2007 12:15:26 PM
HBO is just going to tread water until ASOIAF, which will no doubt be the greatest television show in the history of the world.
ASOIAF by ToneTone	Jun 11th, 2007 12:47:52 PM
Winter is coming!
7 or 8 New Shows in Development by _Maltheus_	Jun 11th, 2007 01:40:38 PM
HBO must really be retarded if they think I'm going to wait around for those new shows. All they had to do was keep around Deadwood, Carnivale or Rome. Just one of them would have kept me from canceling my subscription tomorrow. So many people are going to be canceling their subscriptions, that they won't have the money for those new shows. But watch, some dipstick over at HBO will finally catch on (that show cancellations lead to subscription cancellations) and keep John from Cincinnati on for ten years despite the fact that nobody likes it. That's the one show that would have been ok to cancel. Big Love is ok, but it's not enough to keep me around. It'll feel so good to dump HBO; I can't wait to hear about the first exec that loses his/her job over the declining subscription rates.
JFC spinoff already in the works. by BillyPilgrim	Jun 11th, 2007 02:07:08 PM
Eli from Long Island. A mystical rollerblading rabbi brings families together by turning them into werewolves.
Episodes Get Better by secretcylon	Jun 11th, 2007 02:49:17 PM
I've seen the first three episodes. Did not like the first one AT ALL. Had to watch episodes 2&3 and thought they were MUCH better. I also know they had a hard time wiht the 1st episode and had to re-shoot it a bunch of times. It seemed dangerous to me that they were premiereing with the worst episode of all. The family story is definitely bad but somehow everything starts to come together over t e next 2 eps.
ASOIAF by B Arthur	Jun 11th, 2007 03:24:10 PM
This will no doubt be something great and something never seen before. My hope is HBO gets behind A Song Of Ice And Fire and gets it a 100-150 mil budget and commits to producing a seven year run. hbo has a 3 billion dollar revenue stream but it still seems to be stuck in the late 1990 when it has less than half the subscribers. Where are the new series? ASOIAF would be perfect for the network. I cannot wait!
I'll give it 'till the end of the month by twitchinmonkey	Jun 11th, 2007 05:17:45 PM
It's definitely no Deadwood (though we did get a couple of "cocksuckers" and an appearance by Ellsworth). I wasn't blown away by the first episode of Big Love either, but I stuck with it I ended up liking it a lot more then I expected, I'm hoping that'll be the case with JFC as well. Oh, and Rebecca DeMornay is 47 (48 in August...Thanks, IMDB), so if she had Butchie at 17 and he had Shaun at 17, the math works.
After a day of Sopranos talking I sat down for... by Evil Hobbit	Jun 11th, 2007 05:52:47 PM
..John and watched the first episode. I was quite impressed. It's very lovely, surreal and sweet with some very inspired acting. I mean, Ed O'Neill!!! Fantastic I loved it from the first moment, the main titles are amazing, with the nostalgic super 8 footage. The characters are introduced with great care and at the end of the episode your already rooting for them. I still think it's not something that should have replaced Deadwood, some scenes in John had Milch and thus Deadwood written all over it. And if I'm not mistaken the appearance of mister Ellsworth made me drool for more Deadwood. But it's still great stuff and once again Milch is turning cursing into art. But at some moments I just couldn't help but feel as if I was watching Deadwood on the beach. Some characters seem to have walked straight out of Deadwood. Like the Willie Garson character is almost identical to Jeffrey Jones A. W. Merrick. Overall though I'm looking forward for more John. It's a loveable series that could grow into a great one. I only wish it would have run besides Deadwood and not replacing it.
I think its got legs by B Arthur	Jun 11th, 2007 06:38:27 PM
Well, I watched it again and purged my mind of all things negative about the Sopranos finale. This is much better than Big Love, much better. Al Bundy is still funny after a second viewing and kinda makes the show for me. HBO did a real disservice to this show by having it premiere right after Sopranos. I have yet to talk to a single person who even thought the finale was OK... so there is simply no way people were not looking at JFC with a negative frame of mind. Demornay may have been slightly over the top, but I thought she made a good cracked out grandma, and the teddy bear scene is good as a standalone.
Starman? by lordgrimplemort	Jun 11th, 2007 07:12:46 PM
I watched the show today, so the Sopranos finale didn't affect my opinion of it and I thought it was pretty awful. The floating, bird ressurection, flat tire at exactly right time and place, etc. seem to be caused by John, because the characters don't act like this stuff has ever happened before, so what is John supposed to be. Some people guessed Jesus, some say alien, but I don't think either makes any sense when you see that John acts like he's retarded. I remember the movie Starman where Jeff Bridges acted kind of the same way until he got used to how people act, so maybe they're just ripping that off. And that guy with the gun--they're going out of their way to make him "quirky" but it comes off as just stupid. I'll probably watch next week because they were smart enough to start this show at a time when every other show I watch is off for a long time, but I doubt it will become a must see show. I predict it won't last long. On another topic, what's this Song of ice and fire people are talking about here? I haven't heard of it.
WTF was that? by SkidMarkedUndies	Jun 11th, 2007 07:49:28 PM
Oh well.
I liked it... by Forsakyn	Jun 11th, 2007 08:03:55 PM
Yeah, I don't know what's really going on yet, but I liked the first episode, and hope the show continues on for a while. It's good to see actors like Bruce Greenwood and Ed O'Neill getting a fair share of the focus (and I hope this is generally the case). Took a little while to warm up to Shaunie (his hostile obscenity-ridden dialogue was a bit overdone), but I don't mind him now. The grandson is pretty bad at acting, though - although I guess he meets his demise soon enough. I'm guessing they grabbed him because he is quite talented at surfing in real life. I don't know how long this kind of show can run overall, but it looks to be entertaining.
Ice and Fire by B Arthur	Jun 11th, 2007 09:27:47 PM
A series of novels written by George RR Martin. They are a cross between Deadwood, and Lord of The Rings. It is a fantasy series, but the fantasy elements are a backdrop. In fact, as I recall the first book only has 2 or 3 scenes involving fantasy. The books are extremely well written and not for children. Theres sex, crass language lots of gore... its basically perfect for an HBO adaptation. Go out and buy the first book, and you will be hooked.
Give John a chance... by Boxcutter	Jun 11th, 2007 09:39:24 PM
Watched the pilot, still fizzing from the Sopranos finale (IMHO it was fitting), so didn't really pay attention and tuned out about 30 mins in. Watched it again tonight and Ep 2 On Demand...and there's something there, definitely. OK, if it turns out to be one-note and disappointing like Carnivale and Big Love (bring on the flamers), I'll eat it, but Milch's dialogue is too whipsmart and his cynicism too bone-bred to let this thing degenerate into Point Break-meets-It's A Wonderful Life whimsy. Surely? Anyway, HBO still gets my sub. Cheer up, you bastards. We have the Conchords (funny and charming), the Deadwood closers (God willing), some interesting newies in the pipe, and of course, the final season of the best thing Albrecht and co. ever gifted us - The Wire...
I've unlocked by RokurGepta	Jun 11th, 2007 11:50:38 PM
over 30 videos, and 6 soundfiles from johnmonad.com, a fair ammount of them are not stuff we've seen or heard yet from the broadcast episode... pretty nifty site.. I LOVE THIS SHOW
Fuck John by grendel69	Jun 12th, 2007 08:42:28 AM
.. and the commitee that receives em.
I've watched all three episodes so far... by Farley Flavors	Jun 28th, 2007 10:30:32 AM
and for better or worse, I think I'm hooked.

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