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by AcesOfSamSpade
Jun 10th, 2007
03:39:49 AM
FIRST
Sorry AcesOfSamSpade but..
by glodene
Jun 10th, 2007
03:42:16 AM
SECOND is the New First!
"Arabs was working for the FBI"
by LUZER
Jun 10th, 2007
03:44:42 AM
Tony takes out Phil. Arabs are undercover for the feds. FBI takes down Tony perhaps? Or the Paulie working with NY wouldn't shock me...but you literally never know with this show.
Eli Roth has chosen Betamax and here's why
by RokurGepta
Jun 10th, 2007
03:47:15 AM
because Hostel Part II effing sucks
HERC clearly read the spoilers..
by Man_of_Stool
Jun 10th, 2007
03:53:44 AM
...going alll "I predict this will happen, that will happen" on us. Tool. Still love ya, Herc.
UNDEAD CHRISTURFUH!!!
by bob oblaw
Jun 10th, 2007
03:58:35 AM
rises from the dead and saves Tony from Phil Leotardo.. then WACKS him himself!! ......i'm just sayin!
Man of Stool:
by Hercules
Jun 10th, 2007
04:05:13 AM
I've read a lot of "spoilers," a lot of them highly conradictory. Do you have a link to the spoilers you think I read?
This had better be the episode where we see
by Sadat Quoraishi
Jun 10th, 2007
04:11:06 AM
Zombie Vito anally rape Finn, or I will be very upset. Finn probably deserves it for breaking Meadow's heart.
Everyone dies...
by Incompetent Ninja
Jun 10th, 2007
04:15:02 AM
After Jack Bauer shows up and tortures everyone for intel on those two terrorists from the Bing ("Where's the Capicolli!!!!")
BOO!
by lost.rules
Jun 10th, 2007
04:15:21 AM
I don't want this show to end
Dude..
by bob oblaw
Jun 10th, 2007
04:16:00 AM
come on, Vito ( alive or undead ) was SOO not a top!!! if Finn is to be anally raped, it's going to be by Silvio.... uh.. as soon as he wakes from his coma..
The Russian comes back to whack Tony!
by lost.rules
Jun 10th, 2007
04:18:46 AM
Or...even better.... Tony sees his precious ducks. He goes for a swim with them. They fly away suddenly. Tony gets out of the pool to dry off. That's when it happens. The Bear comes out and starts attacking Tony. The show ends with him being devoured by the Bear. Sweet!
4 way split
by Arti_Farty
Jun 10th, 2007
04:26:03 AM
There have been 4 possible endings filmed.
What the fuck are there spoiler warnings for
by truthrocket
Jun 10th, 2007
05:04:04 AM
If there are no fucking spoilers. Herc you are an idiot vagina. Stop waisting our fucking time you fuck head.
End of the Golden Age?
by supertoyslast
Jun 10th, 2007
05:17:52 AM
There have always been great shows and there always will. But since The Sopranos started it has always seemed as if we have had a significant collection of shows which are not just great, but the best of the best. I wonder if we are now headed towards the end of the current Golden Age?

Gone are The Sopranos, Six Feet Under and The West Wing. About to go are The Wire and BattleStar Galactica. Hopefully we still have the finale of Deadwood to come. I think soon there will be a few great shows around instead of a whole host of near-perfect intelligent dramas as we have had recently.

I won't call time on the Golden Age proper until The Wire has finished, as that is commonly held to be the single greatest television show of all time. While that is still on the air we are still in a Golden Age. But one thing which may have hastened the end of this period is the dismissal of the HBO chief after his arrest. A changing of the guard at the producer of the highest-calibre shows of recent times may freshen things up over time, but in the short term I think it's going to be a bit bumpy.

I'm not saying that this is the end of great TV. Just that it may be the end of a near-perfect period for the highest calibre TV drama.

Also, a few years ago I think I read that David Chase said that "however it ends for Tony, it won't end well". So I really am hoping that it does end badly for Tony. Maybe by taking the rap for something that AJ does. Or being arrested because of something a member of his family does. It really would be fitting for the final episode of this show to see the worlds of Tony's family and 'the family' collide in brutal fashion.

Hercules call speculation spoilers heres why...
by Diagnostic
Jun 10th, 2007
05:40:24 AM
He is an evil genius who knew I would click on the link. Brilliant!
Will the final episode of Sopranos be as good as Matrix: Revolutions?
Now we can get back to discussing ACCORDING TO JIM!
by Uncle Stan
Jun 10th, 2007
06:05:22 AM
or REBA.
Here's how it ends...
by Angry Mean Panda
Jun 10th, 2007
06:06:33 AM
Melfi pops up out of a dumpster and blows Tony away with an AK-47. As he's dying, she admits that she and Phil Leotardo are actually one in the same: He takes over the body every other day. She says the reason that they couldn't find Phil is because he'd morphed into her. This then sets up the spinoff where Phil leads the New York family while coping with the strange condition of morphing into a female psychaiatrist.
Tony Sirico has contract clause about not ratting out
by Ryan3
Jun 10th, 2007
06:42:14 AM
Actor Tony Sirico demanded (and got) as part of his contract, the requirement that his Paulie character wouldn't rat out the Sopranos, or that his character would be a backstabber.
LAST CHANCE TO RAPE FINN
by Northridge
Jun 10th, 2007
06:42:42 AM
By golly, if Vito doesn't come back from the grave and poke Finn, I'll kill my dog. I'll do it.
NO SPOILERS PEOPLE!!
by stvnhthr
Jun 10th, 2007
06:50:42 AM
Apostle. I've thought basically the same, except with out the expletives
hmm
by FirstManReturns1
Jun 10th, 2007
07:28:14 AM
the most interesting thing is that we know from the start Chase said he knows exactley how he's going to finish it. being that Dr. MILFi was a crucial part of the theme of the show from the beginning, i think she will somehow be involved in the end.
also
by FirstManReturns1
Jun 10th, 2007
07:29:46 AM
the Paulie Walnuts thing is to obvious, i think it'll be a smoke screen for something else. Like right at the moment when we think Paulie is going to betray him, it's going to be someone else.
NOOOOOOO
by Itchy
Jun 10th, 2007
08:12:15 AM
I really, really don't want it to end. I am very bittersweet about tonight. Ahh well. Going to the market in a few to get the ingredients for our "Farewell Sopranos" dinner .... baked ziti (for Bobby Bacala), some Ruffino Gold Label, some cannoli and sausage and peppers. My inner Dago will be raging tonight.
spoilers?
by palewook
Jun 10th, 2007
08:56:07 AM
does anyone really want a link to them?
palewook
by Kung Fu Hustler
Jun 10th, 2007
09:01:03 AM
yes!
here then: what the washington post believes
by palewook
Jun 10th, 2007
09:12:07 AM
only go to the 2nd page, if you want to know what the washington post reports as the spoilers for tonight. this link is to the 1st page. you've been warned.http://tinyurl.com/344u ds
I hope the cast and crew do a "League Of Gentlemen"
by DirkD13"
Jun 10th, 2007
09:26:22 AM
Whereby further projects fail to the extent that they return to the show that made them (pun intended). I know that makes me really selfish, but that's how much I love this show. The thought of no new episodes of Spaced, Black Books, Oz, Top Buzzer and now The Sopranos to look forwards to is extremely disheartening. Oh yeah, The League Of Gentlemen is coming back, for those who care to know.
Come on, folks...this is history
by memento108
Jun 10th, 2007
09:40:28 AM
Spoilers for the series finale of The Sopranos? Arguably the greatest television show of all time can be reduced to a link posted by a fanboy on Aint it cool? Come on. Let's watch this one fresh.
that synopsis
by Shakes
Jun 10th, 2007
09:56:23 AM
That synopsis had more things happen than happen in an entire season of this show.
Not gonna happen
by The Funketeer
Jun 10th, 2007
10:09:38 AM
Herc, have you actually watched the Sopranos before? Aside from the Big Pussy finale of season 2, these things tend to go out with a whimper rather than a bang. I think we got the rest of our excitement last week.
Paulie's a smokescreen....
by Wazoo
Jun 10th, 2007
10:11:27 AM
the real rat in Tony's crew is Patsy Parisi. His twin brother was killed by Tony, and though he has seemed to put this behind him, my bet is he never really has. He was also upset in the way Tony handled the Tony B matter with Phil Leotardo. The way he was "missed" when Phil's guys hit Sil was also suspicious. He was in a hurry to get Sil to the parking lot, and then at point blank range he was not shot, and he totally missed hitting Phil's guys. My bet: if Patsy shows up in the last episode it will be to betray Tony.
memento
by palewook
Jun 10th, 2007
10:12:24 AM
who's a fanboy. someone asked, i posted a link that is embedded 2 deep, so you cant screw up and see what you dont want to know with a huge warning. its called choice. if someone wants to know, they can. if they dont want to know, they dont have to. welcome to the freedom of choice.
douche move
by Fearsme
Jun 10th, 2007
10:18:11 AM
yeah herc, that's a total douche move reading a bunch of spoilers and presenting them as your 'theory' you're better than that.
This Is The End...
by Mr. Nice Gaius
Jun 10th, 2007
10:19:38 AM
...and I don't have HBO. Damn. I've been trying to catch up on all the previous seasons via DVD in the hope that I'll be completely up-to-speed for the final season set.

This show is a true high-water mark for television. Much like "Twin Peaks", it set the stage for a lot of great shows we all enjoy today.

I hope for all you watching tonight, the finale goes out in style.

Salut.

Didn't necessarily mean you...
by memento108
Jun 10th, 2007
10:23:37 AM
Wasn't really aiming that at you, just anybody posting any links to spoilers...I personally don't want the temptation, and I don't want some moron reading it and lining his post with spoilers (even if it's just heresay) that I may accidentally read because I want to read people having a conversation about the show, not spoilers. Then again, I could just avoid this thread but I don't really want to...
I think that if Meadow IS killed
by memento108
Jun 10th, 2007
10:31:39 AM
Tony is gonna go apeshit and come out of hiding probably do something irrational and leave himself open to be whacked. But I doubt any of that will happen.
waz
by FirstManReturns1
Jun 10th, 2007
10:34:31 AM
yeah i noticed that too about patsy parisi, I was thinking the same thing. also remember that his son is dating meadow :-O
These "predictions" are pathetic.
by Nate Champion
Jun 10th, 2007
10:40:50 AM
Benny kills Phil -- clearly seen from photos on The Deadwood Stage. Paulie and Tony kill Butchie. Nobody in the family dies -- as Tony says last week, "families don't get touched." Come on, think before you type.
I'd love to see a "Wild Bunch" ending
by twitchinmonkey
Jun 10th, 2007
10:46:46 AM
Big gunfight...everybody's dead...roll credits
Meadow "transform"
by Alientoast
Jun 10th, 2007
11:05:26 AM
"I think Tony’s going to lose daughter Meadow. Meadow used to a be one mouthy little bitch. Then one season, suddenly, she was an angel. Attentive to her parents. "...it's called growing up. I take it you don't have any sisters. Or maybe you do, but they never emotionally matured...which is quite possible!
Finn
by kedohmen
Jun 10th, 2007
11:27:53 AM
I think he was in a Gum commercial I saw last night. No really. Meadow ain't gonna die. A.J. needs to be thrown around more -he's a little bitch. I say bring on The Furio!!!!
Starwars Show
by kedohmen
Jun 10th, 2007
11:29:45 AM
Anyone see this? http://tinyurl.com/2fq3aq Sad when TMZ.com gets it before AICN
They're making a live-action Star Wars TV show?
by darthuser
Jun 10th, 2007
11:45:07 AM
my, that IS quite a scoop for TMZ! http://www.aintitcool.com/node /31763
"Karma(and David Chase), I suspect, will punish Tony...
by Junior Frenger
Jun 10th, 2007
11:48:30 AM
"...by taking Meadow and leaving Tony with people who hate him, the selfish and self-absorbed Carmella and A.J. and Janis." The sopranos has never been a morality tale. Chase has said as much himself. I'm pretty sure you're off the mark here Herc.
junior
by FirstManReturns1
Jun 10th, 2007
12:00:11 PM
agreed. this is why I think tony will definitely survive, cause in real life the bad people don't always get punished
The gobbagool kills the fat kid from Bad Santa!
by Cletus Van Damme
Jun 10th, 2007
12:08:15 PM
SPOILER ALERT
Spoiler.....Warning...Repeat...C lose Your Eyes!
by mjgtexas
Jun 10th, 2007
01:13:42 PM
101010101010101010109999999999 999998888888888888777777777777 777777777777766666666666666655 555555555554444444444444333333 333333322222222222222111111111 11111111111111111111111.... Dont read unless you wwant to know the ending. I got this straight from a friend who filmed the last scenes: Carm blows up, as in kaboom over with no time to speculate that we didnt see her head blow off, burnt to a crisp good old fashion remote control bomb. It is witnessed by aj and meadow, who are on there way to a safe house, at this point aj finaly steps up, knowing his father is outmatched with little muscle left. I can hear you all ready saying aj couldnt kill himself how the hell can he kill someone else. this has been in his destiny, he will help his father. Meadow will fade to black as tony orders her off with janice and she ggives him a mouthfull about how she knew he killed that man when they went to college s1 ep 5? and he is the devil, blah blah blah. that will be the end of meadow and janice. Tony and his lowly crew with new members aj, and pat jr. will develop a plan, Tony is called to a sit down with a mafia boss we have never met or ever heard of, which I felt was kinda lame, and tony smells it out. paulie walnuts comes up with the info of where phil is (some cabin) and sends benny and aj to handle it. benny kills phil at a gas station, also alternate version of aj killing phil was left on the cutting board. Tony and paulie wipe out the remaing crew, with only carmine jr. remaing to deal with after aget harris plays him a tape of carmine and phil discussing why the hit on tony didnt go down when carmine brought him to phils houe ( phils voice saying cooler heads have prevailed was phil telling carmine the hit was off) when aj returns his father is ready for a father son mafia moment and aj is having none of it, agent harris who is acting on intelegence that tony is going to kill carmine goes to discourage him, and walks in on AJ with glock loaded pointed at tony. he tells tony that he killed his mom, bobby, jackie jr, and god knows who else and the killing stops today. before he can squeese the trigger angent harris fires a shot and hits aj in the chest, tony screams and runs to aj who dies in his arms simalar to after his sucide attempt. in the end tony is by himself, no where to go. The final scene is melfi reading it all in a newspaper at a ice cream parlor. the end. I just want credit since I missed the Vince deal. It was my fault. The man whose hair cut said they would not draft Reggie. I surmised it was Vince and told you that. My soure was right then and it is right now. Hair stylist always know the real deal
My Prediction
by colemanfrancis
Jun 10th, 2007
01:17:31 PM
A bare-breasted gun-toting Melfi comes to the rescue riding Zombie Pie-O-My. Or not. I don't know.
@ mjgtexas
by RayVinyard
Jun 10th, 2007
01:55:08 PM
I hope, what you just wrote isn't true, because if, I have to whack David Chase for ending one of the greatest TV-Shows in history in big pile of BULLSHIT. In my opinion the finale of The Sopranos has to beat the finale of SFU or least match it, qualitywise.
Meadow Dies=Godfather 3. "It is NOT what I WANTED!!"
by uss cygnus
Jun 10th, 2007
01:55:59 PM
I want a Godfather II ending; Tony wins and is basically left alone.
Who Cares...
by modlight
Jun 10th, 2007
02:04:49 PM
Everyone I know who still watches this show does so out of respect for the greatness that was the first couple of seasons. I gave up after last season. The metaphysical coma dream and the whole Johnny Cakes thing was the worst example of shark jumping ever. And from what I can gather now they are just killing off main characters so that they can shock people into thinking the episode was good.
mjgtexas spoiler
by Incompetent Ninja
Jun 10th, 2007
02:28:10 PM
That isn't right, in fact that spoiler is just copied and pasted from other boards. I think this one is close to right: http://messageboards.aol.com/a ol/en_us/articles.php?boardId= 518799&articleId=11 The only thing that seems off is the ending, but I have the feeling whoever wrote it saw one of the fake alternate endings they filmed (If its genuine at all).
mjgtexas spoiler
by Incompetent Ninja
Jun 10th, 2007
02:31:12 PM
Oops. Here's the full link http://messageboards.aol.com/a ol/en_us/articles.php?boardId= 518799&articleId=1139&func=6&c hannel=Television&filterRead=f alse&filterHidden=true&filterU nhidden=false
The spoilers for who dies tonight are all in Episode 1
by Kai_Mah'gra
Jun 10th, 2007
03:19:09 PM
.....of this Season, scene 1. There's a montage that David Chase does of seemingly miscellaneous characters from the show playing to some background music and narration of The Seven Souls that leave the human body at the moment of death. At the time I kinda suspected that that's what it was, and given the music being played and the fact that the characters shown in that montage started dropping like flies after that, I knew I was right. The only things I couldn't figure out were why Bobby Bacala was shown in there playing with his train set (up until last week's episode where it all came together,that is) and Sil not being part of th Montage but still getting shot last week. Until they revealed that he didn't actually die but was in critical condition at the hospital. The point is, the only peope still alive who WERE shown in that opening scene to the Season are, Meadow, AJ, and Janice ( along with her baby); make what you will of that. And I'm not really sure if Carm was in the montage proper (she was in a dream sequence with Adriana during a break or pause in the music and narration) and also, Tony himself was shown at the very end of the montage with Junior; but that was just as the music was ending and the episode was actually beginning - so whether or not Tony actually survives is questionable an debatable. But everyone else shown in that scene (save for the ones I've mentioned above) who's in either of Tony's 2 families dies; count 'em:- Vito; the Capo who inherited his aunt's millions and wanted out of the family but T wouldn't let him leave; Bobby Bacala with his Train set; Carmine. Seriously, you guys oughta watch Episode 1 again even if just for that scene alone.
And I still can't believe no one else picked up on that
by Kai_Mah'gra
Jun 10th, 2007
03:25:45 PM
.....it's been there all Season long. The only thing I should point out from the above is that Christofah was not in the Montage above, even though he got the big heave ho a couple of episodes ago, but Chase mentioned in an interview that that Chrissy's death hadn't always been planned and was kind o an impromptu thing (you could tell by how it was handled then) who's necessity will only come to light after tonight's episode. I'm guessing it's because you can't wack Tony (or have him arrested or flipped by the Feds) and not have Chris take over th family with Sil and Bobby ( and possibly Paulie) gone. So they had to get rid of him prior to tonight.
Is this show about opera?
by wackybantha
Jun 10th, 2007
03:26:28 PM
What is this about?
Carry Over from the other thread
by FrancisBegbie
Jun 10th, 2007
03:50:43 PM
This is what actual happens.....I have scene it. I saw a promotional copy of the last episode and while it did not include the last minute I saw enough so here we go. No joke. - AJ's car catches on fire while he is hooking up with his new girl. Very symbolic if you remember how they got that car. - Tony gets AJ a job in the entertainment industry because AJ was going to join the army to fight terrorism. - Tony goes to Junior and Junior has no idea who Tony is.This is after Janice goes to him to try and get after his money. - Phil Leotardo gets hit. He is killed by Benny at a gas station and then gets his head run over by the car he was in. - They find Phil because the FBI agent that Tony has been helping tells him where Phil is. - While Phil is away Tony has a sit down with New York and they agree to lay off and also say they would not mind if Phil is gone. The last scene they are sitting in a diner with Dont Stop Believing by Journey playing. REALLY REALLY intense and right when the conclusion is about to play out my copy ended. Also like I said when the episode cuts off Tony, Carmela, AJ, and Meadow are at some diner and they are building the tension up something fierce. Really intense scene. No mention of the safehouse you say? That is because nothing happens there. Phil gets whacked and they make nice with New York and everyone went home. One thing I left out is that someone is testifying to Grand Jury and Tony's lawyer says he has a 80-90% chance of being indicted in 3-6 months. They said they thought it was Patsy Parisi. Paulie thinks that a cat is bad luck and wants it gone. He also turns down a promotion based on superstition. That is the extent of his involvement in the show. The copy I saw was dated 5/15/2007 and cut off at 59:32 but ran with blank screen until 61:04. I watched the last scene, or what I had off it and...... - Carmela tells Tony that Meadow was going to the doctor to switch birth control. - When Meadow shows up she is having trouble parallel parking her Lexus. - AJ bitches about his new job - Tony tells Carm about he Grand Jury. - When Meadow walks in they focus on two black guys instead of Meadow. Meadow walks through the shot but the focus was on them. - There is a shifty looking Italian guy at the counter of the place that Tony seems to be paying attention to. - Some biker looking guy drinking coffee solo. - The last line before it cuts off is "best onion rings in jersey" See you lads tonight
Bobby Bacala's Maching Gun
by Itchy
Jun 10th, 2007
04:10:53 PM
that he gave Tony will come in handy tonight. That's my guess. And Little Carmine will be left ruling in NY ... something he's planned all along. Carmine is a lot smarter than he looks (which ain't hard). I hope David Chase gives all us die hard fans a treat and shows us a little Meadow with some cream on her face as a going away party.
Pauly wont betray Tony
by moose4787
Jun 10th, 2007
04:50:58 PM
I say this because in an interview with the guy who plays Pauly he said that in his contract it was stated that he will never betray tony. He made sure that this was in his contract because he was at one time linked to the mob, and he felt that it was a sin to betray your boss/leader/friend. The only way he was willing to be in the show was to guarente him that he would never betray his friends.
darthuser
by kedohmen
Jun 10th, 2007
04:51:33 PM
Yeah, I know it was covered on AICN, but I was pointing to the fact that Lost and Heroes writers are now in consideration. There was no mention of that in the AICN story.
remember when tony said:
by thekylegassproject
Jun 10th, 2007
05:24:49 PM
tony on being boss: "in the end, you're alone with it all." tony is in for hard times, but he won't die. bottom line: he doesn't deserve to be allowed to die. i love the character, but we should face the facts that tony is a bad person. which has been HEAVILY emphasized especially in the last couple of seasons. so, unfortunately, i think we very well could see a godfather 3 ending.
Dissapointment
by lost.rules
Jun 10th, 2007
05:27:26 PM
That's the ending.
lost.rules
by thekylegassproject
Jun 10th, 2007
05:30:24 PM
heheheh
The only thing Tony Sirico has in his contract....
by Angry Mean Panda
Jun 10th, 2007
05:32:18 PM
Is a clause about not turning into a rat, which means squealing to the FEDS. It has nothing to do with switching sides in mob wars or betraying Tony. Some of you people are borderline retarded.
Sopranos Movie
by 1ProudMonkey
Jun 10th, 2007
05:57:59 PM
My brother has been telling me shit about how there have been rumblings about a feature film some time in the future. It really wouldn't surprise me if the "movie talk" was just supposed to throw everyone off the trail of Tony getting whacked.
Paulie "Walnuts"
by SugarTits
Jun 10th, 2007
06:02:53 PM
Did anyone notice that in the episode where Tony and Paulie went out of town, they focused a lot on Paulie lame white sneakers? Then, in the last episode, when Sil choked the guy that they had heard was playing both the New York and New Jersey sides, the camera focused in on that guy's same lame white sneakers? Is it possible that Sil's informers directed him to the wrong guy by describing the sneakers?
Nah sugartits
by Wazoo
Jun 10th, 2007
06:11:28 PM
It wasn't Sil's informers who led him to that guy, that guy had approached Sil about running a coup to displace Tony at the head of the family. This was Sil's way of answering him.
TONY PHONES KATE OFF THE ISLAND!!
by nam0krut
Jun 10th, 2007
06:14:12 PM
or something like that
flashforward to bearded tony
by 1ProudMonkey
Jun 10th, 2007
06:34:57 PM
"We never should have left New Jersey, Carm! We have to go back!"
Tony is still on the Island!
by Razorback
Jun 10th, 2007
07:11:02 PM
And everyone dies.
Zombie Christopher
by MRE
Jun 10th, 2007
07:13:22 PM
I think Zombie Christopher will bite Paulie and then Paulie will bite Tony and then the whole Jersey crew will take out New York. Phil will be shooting at Tony but nothing will happen.
A nuke should wipe them all out.
by MRE
Jun 10th, 2007
07:15:52 PM
Made in America = nuke. At least it should. What happened to the terrorist storyline?
I agree with MRE
by jackalcack
Jun 10th, 2007
07:19:03 PM
As has been mentioned before, Chase loves to foreshadow. In Cleaver the boss has the Chris character whacked and then he comes back as the undead Cleaver and fucks up the boss. This is a major clue as to what's to come...it's all so obvious, come on people! Zombie Chris is clearly gonna cut Tony's head off, and then rape Finn.
Here are my predictions
by blackstormy
Jun 10th, 2007
07:49:30 PM
Episode begins with a dream sequence. The war with NY will not be the focus of the episode but only a red herring diverting attention from bigger problems for Tony. One of Tony's family members will get arrested and the only way Tony can help will be by becoming a rat. Paulie is one of the few characters to survive. Tony will die. The new show following will be disliked at first and than will build a strong fanbase, and will last 2 to 3 seasons.
MRE - Made in America
by kitkatbar
Jun 10th, 2007
08:10:52 PM
Made in America as in Tony's a made man and Christopher became a made man and, damn, what exactly is a made man?.
a junior in high school...
by bigpth
Jun 10th, 2007
08:11:57 PM
a junior in high school...
bobby's niece is giving
by bigpth
Jun 10th, 2007
08:13:39 PM
bobby's niece is giving paulie the eye
tony walking around with
by bigpth
Jun 10th, 2007
08:16:45 PM
tony walking around with that assault rifle...
agent harris is the S H I T
by bigpth
Jun 10th, 2007
08:21:44 PM
agent harris is the S H I T
Tony kills one of his family (by accident)?
by ccchhhrrriiisssm
Jun 10th, 2007
08:40:42 PM
That would be very tragic!
WHOA!
by Sir Loin
Jun 10th, 2007
08:44:20 PM
That had to hurt! I hate Fords.
raceway
by bigpth
Jun 10th, 2007
08:45:34 PM
raceway
What the hell is happening?
by svargas16
Jun 10th, 2007
08:45:38 PM
I don't have access to a TV! Please tell me what's going on!! :)
spoiler!!!! AJ is joining
by bigpth
Jun 10th, 2007
08:46:50 PM
spoiler!!!! AJ is joining the army...maybe
lawyers are scaring
by bigpth
Jun 10th, 2007
08:49:27 PM
lawyers are scaring people...
paulie vs. the cat
by bigpth
Jun 10th, 2007
08:52:29 PM
paulie vs. the cat
the cat
by Sir Loin
Jun 10th, 2007
08:54:38 PM
Is an omen of death, methinks.
rapping Rove?
by bigpth
Jun 10th, 2007
08:57:09 PM
rapping Rove?
cmon wusses
by jhpiii
Jun 10th, 2007
08:58:59 PM
post some spoilers!
JOURNEY
by Sir Loin
Jun 10th, 2007
08:59:09 PM
"Don't Stop Believin'"! hahahahaha...a song from my youth
Junior has CRS...
by bigpth
Jun 10th, 2007
08:59:20 PM
Junior has CRS...
LOST watchers know howt to post spoilers
by jhpiii
Jun 10th, 2007
09:02:44 PM
LOST watchers know howt to post spoilers
um..
by countrytrav
Jun 10th, 2007
09:03:02 PM
that's it?
um..
by countrytrav
Jun 10th, 2007
09:03:03 PM
that's it?
WTF
by bigpth
Jun 10th, 2007
09:03:17 PM
WTF
uh...
by Sir Loin
Jun 10th, 2007
09:03:53 PM
LOL that was awesome.
Huh?
by Bobo_Vision
Jun 10th, 2007
09:04:36 PM
I'm waiting for something after the credits....but if nothing happens...I'm guessing its left to our imagination that the guy in the Men's John comes out and blows them all away.
Well well...that had to be
by bigpth
Jun 10th, 2007
09:04:48 PM
Well well...that had to be the biggest surprise ending I could have possibly come up with...
Worst. Ending. Ever.
by jocutus
Jun 10th, 2007
09:04:50 PM
Seriously. But it probably made a lot of people watch the credits waiting for something to happen.
I know that wasn't the ending....
by Mr. Profit
Jun 10th, 2007
09:05:15 PM
Did the cable go out? If that was the ending, they really jerked the audience around. That last scene was tense as hell then fade to black? How dare they.
I thought I changed the channel by accident....
by Mr. Profit
Jun 10th, 2007
09:06:27 PM
Wow.
mr. profit
by bigpth
Jun 10th, 2007
09:06:30 PM
That was not a FADE TO BLACK. That was an abrupt CUT TO CREDITS.
I think David Chase ended it the best way that...
by jgmamma0
Jun 10th, 2007
09:06:39 PM
he could as the Sopranos now live in our imagination for their future lives. But, David Chase did steal from the ending from one of the most underrated films of 1999: John Sayles' "Limbo". God bless you David Chase for seven seasons of art.
brilliant
by Magic Rat
Jun 10th, 2007
09:06:40 PM
i couldn't think of a better way to end it.
Best Ending Evar!
by Magnum Opus
Jun 10th, 2007
09:06:45 PM
For that cat to poop on.
Best Ending Ever
by NudeandAroused
Jun 10th, 2007
09:06:46 PM
Really other shows shoud end so well. Loved how Phil got crushed.
Fade to Black?
by Defunct Gamer
Jun 10th, 2007
09:06:56 PM
They didn't fade to black, they literally CUT to black. :) Which at first seemed kind of disappointing, but now that I have a minute to think about it that seems somewhat appropriate.
daknifeordagun
by DaKnifeOrDaGun
Jun 10th, 2007
09:07:26 PM
Wow. They're all dead.. lmao.. great ending.
Brilliant Episode
by TVguy4566
Jun 10th, 2007
09:07:45 PM
Anyone could do a real send off of the series and wrap up a lot of more interesting storylines, but this is the brilliance of David Chase. Chase decides to focus the episode on the storyline of the series most annoying character and then just stop the episode as if he ran out of film shooting the final scene. This will get him an Emmy for sure. Bravo!
Biggest Televised Bloodbath Ever!!!!
by VanGoghX
Jun 10th, 2007
09:07:50 PM
There were onion rings being eaten like crazy! That was frickin' incredible! Munch, munch, munch... LMFAO
Speechless
by memento108
Jun 10th, 2007
09:07:52 PM
I still have chills, and my heart almost pounded right out of my chest. Absolutely brilliant, and their fates? Up for us to decide. God damn, that was great television.
Come on, didn't think they were going to kill anyone.
by jae683
Jun 10th, 2007
09:08:09 PM
They want to make a movie.
Let the whining begin...
by tonagan
Jun 10th, 2007
09:08:09 PM
The show always defied expectations, for good or bad.
Haha same here Mr. Profit...
by Orionsangels
Jun 10th, 2007
09:08:25 PM
I thought my cable messed up. I was like. What happens next? Noooooooo! Not now! Curse the cable Gods, but then the credits started rolling. HUH??? I thought Tony was gonna get shot for sure.
that fucking sucked
by v1cious
Jun 10th, 2007
09:09:05 PM
you've gotta kidding me. one of the worst finales i've ever seen.
In the end...
by Monkey Man Zero
Jun 10th, 2007
09:09:10 PM
...they delivered what was promised all along: A show about family and the same shit we all deal with no matter what tensions your particular occupation may come with. Don't forget Phil's head got the watermelon treatment before you say nothing happened. Fun ending.
Wow...
by Mr. Profit
Jun 10th, 2007
09:09:22 PM
I know you will never be able to satisfy fans with a decent finale. It's hard. I think the only finale I really enjoyed was Six Feet Under. I guess that's how life is with the open ended ending. At least it wasn't a fat crazy kid with a snow globe that had the Bada Bing inside.
Worst. Ending. Ever
by gambit88
Jun 10th, 2007
09:09:35 PM
Ever.
Are you shitting me?
by NHRonin
Jun 10th, 2007
09:09:42 PM
Don't stop.... That was it? I thought for a minute that I had lost the signal. I didn't need a bloodbath, but I expected a change in the status quo. Worst last episode ever, period. Chase copped out in a big way.
So...um...
by domus.vita
Jun 10th, 2007
09:09:52 PM
Twin Peaks ended better.
this happened why?
by rdsxfan8
Jun 10th, 2007
09:10:42 PM
to possibly leave it open for the soon to be released movie?? for possible return to cable in a made for cable movie form?
Anticlimatic Letdown???
by Orionsangels
Jun 10th, 2007
09:10:54 PM
Sorry, that was lame. I wanted Drama, Tragedy. An ending that would ensure there could never be a Soptanos reunion or movie. Instead we get the copout ending. Waste of an hour
8 YEARS FOR FUCKING ONION RINGS
by OGREISHERE
Jun 10th, 2007
09:11:13 PM
I WILL NEVER WATCH ANYTHING THAT DAVID CHASE PRODUCES EVER AGAIN. THIS IS BULLSHIT!!!! A car is Aide and Onion Rings I am so pissed right now it is not even funny.
Don't call me a hater
by TVguy4566
Jun 10th, 2007
09:11:23 PM
I loved the fact that they focused most of this episode on AJ. Come on! What's better than spending almost an hour watching a whiney spoiled 20 year old. Isn't that why the Star Wars prequels were so special?
Come on, didn't think they were going to kill anyone.
by jae683
Jun 10th, 2007
09:11:24 PM
They want to make a movie.
WTF!!!
by Gonzo the Great
Jun 10th, 2007
09:11:50 PM
That had to be the WORST f'ing episode of The Soprano's ever! What a way for the producers of this show to tell their loyal fans goodbye -- by f'ing them with the most boring episode ever!
Hmm... yeah they're all dead
by DaKnifeOrDaGun
Jun 10th, 2007
09:11:57 PM
Did everyone notice....that everyone in the family was being followed .. the trucker followed Tony. The guy who went to the bathroom followed AJ and the two blk guys came in right before Meadow who was delayed parking her car. Once she enters the restaurant, all the pieces would be in place. Yeah buddy....Contract hit. They're all dead.
yep, a cop-out
by rainbowtrout1265
Jun 10th, 2007
09:12:03 PM
i know some will try and defend Chase, but it was just a cop-out in case a movie is made. as a season ender, it would have been ok, but not a series ender.
Fantastic !!!
by Darth_Valinorean
Jun 10th, 2007
09:12:09 PM
Just plain fantastic ending .... life goes on. Indictments coming ... family hassles .. life goes on. When MADE IN AMERICA, you just have to, just have to go on - you just DONT STOP BELIEVING. And Tony's life is still just that - perpetual paranoia - one after the otehr - the guy in the restaurant going to the bathroom, the guy who walked in front of AJ, the 2 black guys ... loved it. Life goes on.. great ending.
WTF!!! What kind of ending was that!!!
by boba_rob
Jun 10th, 2007
09:12:36 PM
My mouth is agape. I thought my digital cable went out! David Chase ratcheted up the tension for 5 minutes and then blank f****ing screen! I don't know what to say.
Genius.
by Burgundy82
Jun 10th, 2007
09:12:48 PM
You whiners have blue balls. Guess what? We all do. You know why? The son of a bitch left us wanting more. "Don't stop" is right. The more it sinks in, the more I fucking love it.
I liked it!
by dvader234
Jun 10th, 2007
09:13:08 PM
See, the show succeeded in doing what it needed to do--keep our blood pumping. The last few scenes in the diner, admit it, made tensions run very high. And then when the picture cut out, we don't know whether he will live or die. Everyone's happy but at the same time, everyone's pissed. I'm sure Chase knew this was coming, and I don't know if I'm the first to appreciate the ending of the show, but I did.
I just noticed there hasn't been any...
by Shermdawg
Jun 10th, 2007
09:13:09 PM
...videos uploaded to YouTube for the last two hours. Looks like HBO shut that sucker down tonight. :P
sucked
by palewook
Jun 10th, 2007
09:13:28 PM
6 seasons over 8 years and that is the conclusion you get. the rumored endings were better.
Stunned...
by Brian0401
Jun 10th, 2007
09:13:49 PM
Wow. You knew they were getting ready to get hit to. Maybe the best ending to a tv series ever.
The cat is Adriana
by NHRonin
Jun 10th, 2007
09:13:59 PM
Who has been reincarnated...um, yeah, okay.
AWESOME.
by gobbluth
Jun 10th, 2007
09:14:19 PM
I know people are going to argue about this, but I could not think of a better ending. The whole point of the show - and why people connected with it - was everyday life. There were some nods to the end - I loved the cat - but, the whole finale season was the ending. Most of them did die, just not all at once. The final scene was pure brilliance; he lives his life in fear. One of the best series ever made for TV.
It was a cop out
by The Funketeer
Jun 10th, 2007
09:14:20 PM
I think I understand what he was going for which was to let our imaginations run wild on what might have happened but it's still a cop out. I don't pay for HBO so I can make up my own ending. You start a story, you finish it. This open ended crap is a cop out.
I wonder what the other endings he had taped.
by mrfan
Jun 10th, 2007
09:14:23 PM
Maybe they will be on the dvd.
Pure genius
by Jak0lantern01
Jun 10th, 2007
09:14:25 PM
I called it about this episode. The whiners just never really got The Sopranos. Life goes on, plain and simple. There's no end, because it was never treated like a typical product of Hollywood. It's treated like life, and it always was. How many plot threads never had a conclusion on this show? You expected explosions or a huge, blaze of glory gun battle? I loved the tension at the end, only for them to sit down for dinner. LOL! I personally think it was a great way to end it and to fuck with everyone like that. I'm also happy I was right. :)
Should have ended it like they ended it like dallas
by gambit88
Jun 10th, 2007
09:14:29 PM
with Patrick Duffy waking up and it all being a dream
Way to yank me outta my chair like a fish on a hook....
by 2for2true
Jun 10th, 2007
09:14:42 PM
Very mixed emotions here...but I want to hold on to that slim chance that five years from now we've got a Sopranos movie on the big screen, so maybe...just....maybe..... Brilliant work Mr. Chase. Thanks for eight years of great talk around the Monday morning water cooler.
Great ending.
by BangoSkank
Jun 10th, 2007
09:14:42 PM
What did you want? Everything to be wrapped up with a pretty little bow? Life of a mobster. You never know if the dude in the members-only jacket is going to pop you, or if it's going to be the pair of young black dudes who've been paid to whack you, or if you're going to have a nice little dinner out with the family. If your life ain't over, then it just keeps on rolling forward. Fucking loved it.
What's up with Frank Vincent?
by Orionsangels
Jun 10th, 2007
09:15:33 PM
Seems like in every part he plays something gruesome or something that makes you cringe happens to him. Whether his head is getting slammed by a car door in Raging Bull. Getting beat and stabbed to a pulp in Goodfellas. Now his head gets run over in the Sopranos finale. Is it in his contract or something?
David Chase...
by Lucasblows
Jun 10th, 2007
09:15:53 PM
...has now sparked a conversation that will never be answered. "What happens ton Tony?" Annoying and brilliant all at the same time.
so all it would have took would have been.....
by anoneemus1
Jun 10th, 2007
09:15:59 PM
that dude to come out of the bathroom and mow them all down with an uzi for all you haters to be satisfied? what writing skill does that take? chase ended it the only way he could think of that no one else would have thought of before hand. disapointed at first but as the minutes pass it just seems more fitting to the series. oh well, will miss this show.
That ending blew...
by iron pills
Jun 10th, 2007
09:16:02 PM
WTF? I thought I lost the satellite signal went it went to black. Then the credits started rolling... I wasn't expecting a bloodbath, but with talks of his pending troubles, at least have the feds take him away. As a sign that even though his troubles with Phil were basically over, his getting locked up would have held some type of closure for the type of life he lead. But this? *nodding head in disbelief*
Meadow dying rumors were obviously a plant
by TVguy4566
Jun 10th, 2007
09:16:05 PM
I didn't hate the ending all that much. I actually hated most of everything leading up to the final scene. The who Meadow and the car thing wouldn't have worked at all if they didn't leak she was getting killed on the internet. Most people who didn't hear the rumors probably didn't get the tention though.
The ending...
by Mr. Profit
Jun 10th, 2007
09:16:24 PM
The ending has sunk in a bit more, but still... I was bugging out for a minute. I was relaxed laying down and then the final 5 mins made me sit up because they were tense. Then boom. It was like a missing reel. I liked the episode. Stil getting used to the ending though.
"Don't Stop Believin'" was PERFECT for that!
by Sir Loin
Jun 10th, 2007
09:16:52 PM
hahahhaha Chase has the upper hand on us, folks. Brilliant.
Brilliant Final Scene...
by muckfire
Jun 10th, 2007
09:17:26 PM
The sense of dread was palpable, I think Chase ended it by letting the audience experience what Tony feels every second of every day. Certainly no way to live an enjoyable life- we were shown that though he lives and at the moment isn't locked up, Tony still is imprisoned.
Significance of Ducks and Tony
by NHRonin
Jun 10th, 2007
09:17:36 PM
Somehow Chase predicted that the Anaheim Ducks would win the cup the week the series ended. F'in brilliant. Actually, it's a complete load of bullshit.
That Ending was GREAT
by ZoeFan
Jun 10th, 2007
09:17:41 PM
It leaves it up to the viewer to decide. Besides, the Sopranos has always tried to base itself in real life. Chris's death coming from a car accident (Tony really but...). Totally unexpected, like real life. If Tony gets killed in that scene, or if he gets halled away by the FEDS, that's such a Hollywood ending. Watch the episode again, you won't be as pissed. In fact, if you have an open mind, you probably will respect the ending.
What happens to Tony? Find out in the Sopranos movie!
by Orionsangels
Jun 10th, 2007
09:18:04 PM
Directed by Martin Scorsese and featuring a new character played by DeNiro hehe
Wow Hercules, those predictions were horribly wrong!
by tonagan
Jun 10th, 2007
09:18:36 PM
(Well, except for the Uncle Junior stuff - so it's funny to remember everyone saying "Uncle Junior's story arc is over! You won't see him again!") But, don't feel bad, I couldn't have guessed any better.
Cop-Out is Right.
by hauntervap
Jun 10th, 2007
09:18:47 PM
Hate open ended nonsense like that. Story tellers should end their stories..not leave it up to the audience's imagination, whether it's because they were unable/unwilling to close it out themselves...ultimately its simply unsatisfying.
Ever heard of the Godfather?
by jhpiii
Jun 10th, 2007
09:18:47 PM
Thats how you make an ending, instead of copping out with a "CHOOSE YOUR OWN ADVENTURE " ending.
that was like the end of "lost in translation"
by Toe Jam
Jun 10th, 2007
09:18:53 PM
i always hated that sofia coppola got so much credit for that movie, even though she wasn't brilliant enough to reveal what bill murray's character whispered into scarlett johannson's ear. it's akin to tenacious d's "tribute," where they admit midway through the song that it actually isn't "the greatest song in the world." that said, i really can't complain about this finale. not great, but not horrible, either. doesn't make me appreciate the series as a whole any more or less than i already did.
what "writing skill" did this turd of an ep take?
by rainbowtrout1265
Jun 10th, 2007
09:19:09 PM
have nothing happen just in case of a movie being made? it was bullshit, plain and simple. and to waste time with the worst character (AJ) and the worst actor(Iler)...ugh.
Brilliant...
by The Tao of Joe
Jun 10th, 2007
09:19:42 PM
Tony Soprano will die a thousand deaths before he is killed by overeating or mafia conflicts. Why? Because he deserves it, and that means that every breath he takes is stolen from the forces that seek to establish a sense of balance in the universe. Great ending. No one could have predicted that, and I like how it ended with raw cinematic technique. I totally thought Meadow was street pizza at the end when she crossed the street; as she crossed, they shot her with a deep focus lense so that the large SUV that drove behind her looked like it was careening for her. Great. Well done. Bravo. And goodnight!
I rushed to sign on after the ending
by Richard Cranium
Jun 10th, 2007
09:19:46 PM
Because I knew a lot of people would be going apeshit about the ending. I know what they were trying to do, trying to relay the tension that a guy like Tony has to live under all the time. Not sure if I liked it or not, ask me tomorrow when I dwell on it for a day. I must say however that the stuff with Paulie going apeshit over the cat was pure gold.
Five endings that would have been better:
by Smash Drama
Jun 10th, 2007
09:19:50 PM
1.) Camera pans over to the counter where Sam Elliott looks at the viewer and says "The Big Pussy still abides." 2.) Charlton Heston comes running out of the bathroom screaming "Onion rings are made of people!" 3.) Zombie Christopher buries a cleaver into Tony's skull 4.) Bill Cosby walks out in front of the family and dances James Gandolfini into the studio audience 5.) Tony wakes up in bed with Bob Newhart and says "I just had the strangest fucking dream" and Bob says "Nevermind, I love you Jonnycakes."
the end of an era.....
by ruiz2010
Jun 10th, 2007
09:20:17 PM
well, all good things..... I feel sorta empty with the end. I expected complete resolution to Tony. Still, I'm glad that Walnuts didn't turn on Jersey, and, if you choose, that they continued with their dinner undisturbed. That things will go on as they were, mafiosi will continue in their cosa nostra, both in New Jersey and New York, dealing and earning. I'll miss this show, it was a good run.
I called HBO to complain,they told me to go fuck myself
by Orionsangels
Jun 10th, 2007
09:20:34 PM
That's all I got
Coming soon Sopranos The Motion Picture
by picardsucks
Jun 10th, 2007
09:21:18 PM
Directed by Francis Ford Coppola Starring James Gandolfini Tony Sirrico Steven Van Zandt and Persis Khambata as Lt. Ilia The Cosa Nostra Adventure is Just Begininng
RE: Lost in Translation
by Defunct Gamer
Jun 10th, 2007
09:21:32 PM
"even though she wasn't brilliant enough to reveal what bill murray's character whispered into scarlett johannson's ear." Um ... the point isn't to know what is said at the end of LiT. I think you may have completely missed the point of that scene. Just like it doesn't matter what's in the briefcase in Pulp Fiction, etc. etc. etc.
The Sopranos eat dinner at a diner!
by Orionsangels
Jun 10th, 2007
09:22:06 PM
Brilliant! Where do they come up with this stuff?
Last scene was tony in Ghost form
by DaKnifeOrDaGun
Jun 10th, 2007
09:22:33 PM
Great episode. Obviously we were seeing the last scene through Tony's 'ghost'. There wont be a sopranos movie
Bastard
by FrodoFraggins
Jun 10th, 2007
09:22:54 PM
David Chase is a GD prick. That was a the biggest non-ending I can remember since Blakes 7.
he isn't leaving it open for a movie so....
by anoneemus1
Jun 10th, 2007
09:22:59 PM
shut the fuck up....
ehhhh
by red baron
Jun 10th, 2007
09:23:06 PM
I actually had to register for an account just to vent about this. Now I get all the "life goes on" theories about this ending, however I don't find that to be a satisfying payoff. You spend 6 seasons watching a guy like Tony you expect in the end something insane is going to happen to him when it's all over. He's gonna get shot, he's gonna get arrested, his family and friends will all die, he'll become a klingon, he'll be the result of a bad dream had by Bob Newhart or an autistic kid, etc. But instead, we get "Don't Stop Believin'", onion rings and an abrupt cut to credits. Hell, I would have been happy if it ended with Meadow being hit by a car crossing the street and Tony crying over her body. A little too Godfather III maybe but it'll be something. I guess that's what I'm truly upset about, to paraphrase Bart Simpson, you know what's better than nothing? Anything! I get what they were going for, the whole theme of this season was basically "Tony may be a mobster, but he's still just a regular guy with regular problems who has to deal with growing old and leading a regular old life." But in terms of entertaining television, that just doesn't cut it for me. Also, what the hell was the point of Paulie and the cat, or the FBI agent saying "we might just win this thing"? Two subplots that will probably never be paid off. Shame.
for the record....
by TheUltraHumanite
Jun 10th, 2007
09:23:32 PM
FUCKING AWESOME
BRILLIANT
by Sarlic
Jun 10th, 2007
09:24:01 PM
And all we need for proof is the increasing slew of talk-back on here. The last 5 minutes, we lived through Tony's eyes.... the tension was PALPABLE! That's how Tony has to live forever. Not in jail, but in prison all the same. And what happened next? Who knows. That's Tony's life. A long slew of variables where X is always the possibility of death. Utterly fantastic.
Excellent Ending...
by Damer1
Jun 10th, 2007
09:24:14 PM
The mobster still has to spend every day looking over his shoulder. It was better than the theorized whacking or the turning states evidence plotline.
That's how life really happens.
by DARTH VOODOO
Jun 10th, 2007
09:24:46 PM
Just when you think you know what is going to happen!!!!
No one was getting whacked
by pdiddy
Jun 10th, 2007
09:25:16 PM
How many times did you see the mob come in the wolfpack approach in the series. Looked like at least 4 guys in the diner...gotta be the feds looking to pick him before he slipped away. That being said, I'm NOT interested in seeing a Law & Order Sopranos movie.
The more it sits with me...
by Bobo_Vision
Jun 10th, 2007
09:25:17 PM
...the more I kinda like the ending. I was on the edge of my seat, because after watching the Sopranos for so long, all the elements were there making it clear something was about to happen. The camera angles, the attention paid to unknown strangers, the silences, the attention to small details...its like Chase gave us all the elements we had been given throughout the Sopranos to know a hit was about to take place...so actually showing it would have been redundant. And leaving it to our imaginations gave it much more weight.
Robert Patrick?
by rodvegas78
Jun 10th, 2007
09:25:32 PM
anyone else pick up on what looked to be a grizzled Robert Patrick in the trucker hat drinking the coffee?
RED BARON
by Sarlic
Jun 10th, 2007
09:25:35 PM
I think the FBI guys were actually BETTING on who would win -- Tony or Phil. And he tipped the scales. Now THAT was fucking hilarious!
Limbo
by IrishJazz
Jun 10th, 2007
09:25:36 PM
John Sayltes used essentialy the same "Lady or the Tiger" ending for the movie "Limbo." The point- that Tony's life would be full of paranoia and uncertainty until the second he died- was made. If Meadow was allowed to complete the family the moment would have passed. It was clever. Just not satisfying.
This will go down as worst final shot in history
by YouIgnorantGeeks
Jun 10th, 2007
09:25:39 PM
Mark my words. 99% of Sopranos fans will be EXTREMELY disappointed on how that ended. Hell my brother came into his room because he thought something happened with the digital cable. I did too for a second. Thats what most will think, that the cable went. When they realized no... thats the end... trust me no one will think its brilliant. Those that say it is are just idiots who just want to be different. REALLY REALLY bad ending. Good episode.. but worst final second in history. Actually the whole restaurant scene was pretty bad.. acted bad... everything. Hell the second thing I thought, after I realized my cable didnt go out, was that David Chase was kinda copying the way Joss Whedon ended Angel... like OH CRAP WHATS GOING TO HAPPEN! Only in Sopranos case... with that scene... David Chase totally fucked it up. Meadow was running into door.... tony looks up to see who is entering and fade to black?!?! Uh.. ITS FRIGGING MEADOW! Any other time, when it would have been less obvious who was coming in would have been better, but still crap. Oh, and guy in bathroom.. well if they wanted to make that more interesting they screwed that up too.. Badly acted by guy and you didnt think much about him. He may wack tony, he may not, he went to bathroom... but it doesnt really make you wonder much one way or the other because of how sloppy even that was done. Trust me tomorrow EVERYONE is going to say it was crap AND they will all be right. And imagine if they do a movie... lol... you want people to go to a movie after you ended it like that? Thats like "ok, we are greedy and want to make sure you all come to movie, so will end it like this" If they ended it normally, with no stupid crap, people would be talking about it just as much, only for better reasons. Cant wait to hear David Chase getting shit on tomorrow.
no no...here's why the ending was great...
by eppdude
Jun 10th, 2007
09:25:52 PM
From the beginning, people have been trying to make Sopranos something it isn't..something Chase did not want it to be. This is a family drama in the end. Everyone's predictions about who gets wacked when was never what this was supposed to be about. Chase used misdirection wonderfully in that final scene, keeping us on the edge of our seats. But in the end, it's just a family sit-down. ALTHOUGH - this is an ending that may be debated for years to come. Does the guy come out of the bathroom and kill them all? Meadow's arrival at the diner was perfect closure. Tony was not sure all the members of his family would make it...and when they did, his fears were quelled. Great stuff.
NOOOOOOOOO!!!!
by lordgrimplemort
Jun 10th, 2007
09:25:59 PM
I yelled obscenities at my tv for a few seconds before the credits came on and I realized that was the end of the show and not a DVR malfunction. I guess that ending was to show how Tony will live the rest of his life in constant fear. The guy alone at the counter, the black guys at the jukebox, and then Meadow--every time someone walks in the door or even moves, Tony looks up to see what's happening, fearing that he's about to get shot. I kind of figured the show would have an anti-climactic end, but I have to admit I hoped for a little more. I guess it was pretty realistic though. So Tony didn't get whacked--he'll end up like Junior, or die in prison like Johnny Sac or get killed by someone else a few years from now. One thing that gets on my nerves though, is when Meadow explains why she went in to law. She wants to protect the little guy from the constant "persecution" her father has gone through. She's not stupid. She has admitted in the past that she knows her dad's a mobster, so how can she keep a straight face during that speech? The level of denial that family lives in is off the charts.
by GreatOne2
by palewook
Jun 10th, 2007
09:26:03 PM
here's your summary of tonight's series conclusion, " ." thats all you missed.
Herc, where are you??
by TopHat
Jun 10th, 2007
09:26:15 PM
fyi: I would totally bang Anthony's new therapist.
Keep telling yourselves it was brilliant
by NHRonin
Jun 10th, 2007
09:26:25 PM
I'm not buying it and I didn't expect for a blood bath, but I did expect a big payoff for eight seasons of Tony's sins.
The Six Feet Under finale
by jeff891
Jun 10th, 2007
09:26:28 PM
Showed true creativity and paid respect to the viewers. This ending was just pathetic. Or if the history of The Sopranos is anything to go by, maybe we have to wait 14 months for HBO to ait the final 3 mintues of the show. The Sopranos is the most over-rated series in the history of television. Oz was far superior when it came to breaking new ground and pushing the envelope of the medium.
the ending was cheap
by Chest_Rockwell
Jun 10th, 2007
09:27:18 PM
And Chase is a fucking pedophile. Yeah, I said it. It was EASY to take that fucking route. He can make everyone "wonder" about what happens. Ooooooooooohhhhh. And it leaves everything open for a movie. Yeah, way to show your artistic integrity, Chase, you fucking donkey dick.
lordgrim..Meadow was bullshitting
by eppdude
Jun 10th, 2007
09:27:36 PM
She just told T that cuz she knew thats what he wants to hear.
"Everybody Loves Raymond"...
by Proevad
Jun 10th, 2007
09:28:12 PM
...ended the exact same way. The Italian American family sitting down to dinner. The tension at the end was unbelievable. Thanks for the great show HBO/David Chase. You changed television for the better. That doesn't happen often
I get sloppy seconds TopHat.
by mrfan
Jun 10th, 2007
09:28:22 PM
Thank you.
Smash Drama, I vote for number three.
by Uncapie
Jun 10th, 2007
09:28:32 PM
I can see Zombie Christopher doing that.
wrong eppdude...
by YouIgnorantGeeks
Jun 10th, 2007
09:28:33 PM
If Tony looked up and saw Meadow enter through door it would have been even 100 times better. Better still if they all sat down. Thats what I was thinking, if they all sat down and ate it would have been a "well this is just another day in the life of mafia dad.. this is what goes on everyday" type thing... but Mr. Chase is so egotistical he probably thinks he is brilliant for ending it like that... and he is going to find out tomorrow he was wrong.
NHRonin...Chase wasnt interested in a morality play
by eppdude
Jun 10th, 2007
09:28:54 PM
and yknow what? Not everyone GETS punished for their sins. But T DID lose several dear friends in the end.
SUCK SUCK SUCK SUCK SUCK
by Faust_8
Jun 10th, 2007
09:28:57 PM
What a fucking cop out. David Chase can lick my balls.
tense
by ozliiifter
Jun 10th, 2007
09:29:32 PM
I thought most of the episode was an absolute bore. Apart from the headsplat scene, this was probably the worst episode of the season .....and then the last 5 minutes of tonight's show blew me away. Hell, that was tense. That one final scene was some of the best tv I've ever seen. .......and then, we get a crappy ending. I don't mean to whine, but ultimately I wanted closure. I don't buy into the "this is how the Sopranos was supposed to end" bullshit. It just wasn't satisfying.
SUCK SUCK SUCK SUCK SUCK
by Faust_8
Jun 10th, 2007
09:29:40 PM
What a fucking cop out. David Chase can lick my balls.
OMFG
by pie87
Jun 10th, 2007
09:29:44 PM
The backs of my eyes hurt... Way to end the series.
Don't be stupid
by pawformation
Jun 10th, 2007
09:29:48 PM
The reason why it cut to black while the camera was on Tony was because he was killed. Have you ever passed out? Everything goes black...yah, so it is a good ending, just not as graphic as we are used to.
Loved it.
by RetroActive
Jun 10th, 2007
09:30:01 PM
Perfect ending. The whole point of the show was that we were getting snippets of Tony's life anyway, so why wouldn't he continue to live it? All the people who died over the years...what did they learn anyway? Nothing. And Tony really didn't either. I loved the fact that he went back to square one with his son's psychiatrist. And although Tony got some compensation from NY for Bobby, you left satisfied knowing that Janice would never see a dime of it. And after being holed up, Carmella goes back to oblivion and her next, "project". I just thought it was all so well done. And the cat? Classic Chase! They will be missed, but it was time to go.
The Seinfeld Ending
by stevesabol
Jun 10th, 2007
09:30:27 PM
Seinfeld's non-ending ending at least fit with the show. This was just Chase's weak unwillingness to commit to an ending. Last week's episode reminded me why the show used to be good. This week's reminded me why it isn't anymore.
Ronin..
by YouIgnorantGeeks
Jun 10th, 2007
09:30:31 PM
Those who say its brilliant are posers, don't listen to them. They know taht it was crap and that since its such a big show and big finale that EVERYONE will be talking about it and EVERYONE will hate it.. so the posers saying it was great are just saying so so they can act all different like and say stuff like "oh, you just don't get it..." no dudes. We get it. And it still sucks. Thats the problem.
Critics will blow Chase all day tomorrow
by NHRonin
Jun 10th, 2007
09:30:48 PM
I guarantee all kinds of articles written by self-righteous hacks saying what a brilliant ending Chase devised. Meanwhile, the rest of America says "WTF."
wow some liked it and some didn't.....
by anoneemus1
Jun 10th, 2007
09:31:10 PM
what a fucking suprise
The life of a Mobster
by gthmbt
Jun 10th, 2007
09:31:25 PM
Great ending... Think about it, the tension in the whole episode, building to a head in the last 5 mins. This is how Tony Soprano lives his live EVERY day. On the edge never knowing when he can get killed, arrested etc. That was Chase's point...
Great one-basic synopsis, what I can remember
by Richard Cranium
Jun 10th, 2007
09:31:28 PM
AJ is banging a high school chick, blows up his SUV, wants to join the army but gets convinced by Tony to get a job working on a movie with the promise of investing in a club for him down the line Tony makes peace with Phil's googely eyed captain, who agrees to pay restitution to Janice for killing Bobby, and basically gives his blessing to take out Phil. They locate Phil with the help of a tip from Agent Harris, Phil takes 2 bullets and then his head gets smooshed by an SUV. They bring a cat back from the safehouse, which stares at Chrissys picture in the back office, making Paulie go apeshit. (which just cracked me up to no end) Paulie is offered a big money promotion by Tony and he reluctantly accepts. One of Tony's associates (can't remember who it was, minor character) flips when his sun is busted for selling extacy, Tony's lawyer tells him that he's 95% sure that Tony will be indicted on RICO charges. Tony goes to see Uncle Junior, who's mind has basically turned to jelly. The last 5 minutes consist of Tony and the family going out to dinner, Tony plays a Journey song and they build the tension for about 5 minutes, as they pan to everybody in the restaurant giving Tony the stink eye, and they suddenly fade to black with the family eating dinner, and they fade to black. -
Loved The Ending - Another Possibility
by Fievel
Jun 10th, 2007
09:31:32 PM
I don't think anyone's mentioned the plane that went overhead as Meadow started to go across the street. Another possibility is that the terrorists (FBI guy said they had a lead) were going to blow it up. Just sayin'. I loved the ending. Any concrete ending, no matter what it was, would have been just as much as a disappointment.
Damn that Meadow
by jocutus
Jun 10th, 2007
09:32:19 PM
If she could learn to park she'd save us all five minutes of our lives back.
While I like what they were going for...
by Boober
Jun 10th, 2007
09:32:37 PM
They did ROYALLY FUCK UP THE FADE TO BLACK. AS OTHERS HAVE STATED, I THOUGHT MY CABLE WENT OUT. Peter Jackson did it well in LOTR:RotK. A little transition to avoid confusion would have been nice for the most acclaimed show in TV history. DUMBASSES.
of Chuck Heston and onion rings...
by angry kitty
Jun 10th, 2007
09:33:10 PM
Laughing my ass of at that one. - thanks. Frustrated about the lack of closure, for this episode. Almost felt like a run of the mill ending cliffhanger for another season, and not the ending of a series- or an "era". Damn, you think we could have gotten just a little more?
Ignorant...Christ, take it easy.
by eppdude
Jun 10th, 2007
09:33:11 PM
we just disagree, that's all. Although it IS easy just to call someone a poser who doesnt agree with you.
wow
by movienick07
Jun 10th, 2007
09:33:19 PM
hmm he looks at everyone coming threw door thinking is it my loved one, or guy gun going blow my brains out, or feds going bust me in a public place in front my family, guy in gray shirt looked like a fed the guy went in bathromm looked like hired hitman the blacks looked like hired gang whack, him or maybe it was family last super before going to sing sing, i was mad at first because i hate shit like this but after u think about it and read all these posts ur realize there will never be show like this ever gain, u either loved it or hated it and u either loved it or hated that ending... well got call my direct tv guy and cancel HBO that is one shity network now lol.
People need to grow up and stop being spoon fed!!!
by ZoeFan
Jun 10th, 2007
09:33:26 PM
The Title says everything
lmao
by anoneemus1
Jun 10th, 2007
09:34:12 PM
"oh, and john from cincinatti sux balls and this is only the first 5 minutes"
Peter Jackson!
by pdiddy
Jun 10th, 2007
09:34:16 PM
The ending to ROTK was the f ing worst ever and so were the next 10. Cmon Boober you're better than that.
IT'S NOT TV..IT'S GOTCHA!!!
by Lord Iktarr
Jun 10th, 2007
09:34:20 PM
LOL..I love it All you haters will just bitch and moan. While david chase counts his cash. It's been the same way for the last seven years. What did you except a "SCARFACE" shoot out over Onion rings!! "I said EXTRA CATSUP!!!" tony belts while shooting up the entire dinner.
Robert Patrick??
by rodvegas78
Jun 10th, 2007
09:34:36 PM
I watched it again.. it's definately gotta be Robert Patrick.. they hide his face on purpose.. but you can tell..
Don't you get it? Tony got whacked!
by bah
Jun 10th, 2007
09:34:39 PM
Right when he looked up, the guy in teh bathroom killed him. Bobby to Tony in the boat: "You probably don't even hear it when it happens."
PEOPLE, stop saying "fade" to black...
by eppdude
Jun 10th, 2007
09:35:07 PM
It was a "cut" to black. Big...fucking...difference. A fade to black probably wouldnt have so many of you bitching.
Closure
by Alientoast
Jun 10th, 2007
09:35:57 PM
Alot of you guys seem to all have missed the fact that the show was jam packed with closure. We pretty much got closure for the Tony Vs. Junior (Tony finally saw his uncle was just a shell now, and it almost brought him to tears...contrast the Janice visit vs. Tony's), NJ Vs. NY (Phil's dead, all is well), AJ Vs. Everyone (Now he seems to have his shit together), Meadow Vs. Parent's Expectations (Lawyer, which lets her help her family!), Paulie Vs. Himself (Notice the last shot of Paulie...the cat lies down near him and he doesn't care...he has let go of his issues and learned to just accept how life comes), Paulie Vs. Tony (Tony realizes that Paulie is loyal and is worth keeping around). Also look at the end...that's the first time that their family has all been at dinner with NO drama during almost the entire series run. That enough was closure for them.
Those who loved it are so much smarter than most
by NHRonin
Jun 10th, 2007
09:36:29 PM
Or so they'll keep telling us. Meanwhile, for those of us who don't need to feel smarter than the rest of the world, Chase fucked us with that bullshit non-ending. He probably couldn't make up his mind so he did nothing.
wow, eppdude went to film school
by anoneemus1
Jun 10th, 2007
09:36:30 PM
...
Let's get back to important things in the world
by Proevad
Jun 10th, 2007
09:37:17 PM
Paris Hilton Is Reportedly Scared Of The Potty. Love me that cbs.com
Boober
by Lucasblows
Jun 10th, 2007
09:37:29 PM
You're supposed to be confused. That's the point.
heh. Sorry. But it IS a point worth making.
by eppdude
Jun 10th, 2007
09:37:44 PM
...
Why is everyone ignoring Robert Patrick!!??!?!!
by rodvegas78
Jun 10th, 2007
09:38:57 PM
that was him!!! "Extra catsup!" that's hilarious..
Spoon fed my Ass - Sopranos Choose Your Own Adventure!
by NHRonin
Jun 10th, 2007
09:39:14 PM
Spoon fed would be Chase telling us what every symbol or action represented on the show. If I wanted to choose my own adventure, I would have dug out one of those old Indiana Jones books from fifteen years ago.
sorry just being an ass this talkback is making me mean
by anoneemus1
Jun 10th, 2007
09:40:01 PM
...
If they make a movie, I'll watch it
by Chest_Rockwell
Jun 10th, 2007
09:40:05 PM
but I'll download the fucker cuz Chase and company don't deserve my $$ after that bullshit ending.
Cave of Time Bitches!
by pdiddy
Jun 10th, 2007
09:40:22 PM
thats all really...
I love how all the Chase butt boys are so arrogant
by TVguy4566
Jun 10th, 2007
09:40:26 PM
"you just aren't intelligent enough to get what Chase is trying to do." "Chase doesn't believe in wrapping things up in little neat bows." Did you see how much of a cop out he took with the annoying AJ storyline that took up far too much of the second half of this season. After a half dozen episodes of being depressed, he became all bright and cheery by just getting a glorified production assistant job and a BMW M3. How's that for cheaping out.
actually it DID end like DALLAS...
by indiephantom
Jun 10th, 2007
09:40:53 PM
"Dallas" ended with Joel Grey playing a devil-like character and telling J.R. to kill himself "Do it!" he screams, but we never actually see J.R. shoot himself. It cuts to black and I don't recall if we were heard the shot or not. It was open-ended. The Bobby dream sequence was a season opener after a weird cliffhanger where the deceased Patrick Duffy appeared in the shower because the actor decided to return to the show. The previous season was written off as a complete dream.
rodvegas78 - Truck Driver
by RetroActive
Jun 10th, 2007
09:40:57 PM
I thought that was Robert Patrick, too.
Retroactive... what's it all mean, then?
by rodvegas78
Jun 10th, 2007
09:42:34 PM
Why would Robert Patrick be there? I know he was on the Sopranos.. but I didn't really watch the episodes with him in it.. what happened?
It couldn't have ended any other way.
by obi-bear
Jun 10th, 2007
09:42:46 PM
It made sense to me....there was enough resolution and closure and yet it ends with the uncompleted scene... Any other "resolution" would've pissed people off even more...now, instead of "woulda, coulda, shoulda", he's left it to the audience to fill in the blanks their own way. I thought it was great...frustrating, but great...
Someone enlighten me
by Proevad
Jun 10th, 2007
09:42:52 PM
on Robert Patrick's character on there. I remember he owned a sporting goods store or something, but nothing else. or shit, was that another show?
Yes , I too got the whole duality...
by Boober
Jun 10th, 2007
09:43:31 PM
Is it a well-orchestrated hit on the entire family or is it Tony's Paranoia interfering with what he could have if he could ever get out of the crime scene: an honest family moment. But hey, guess what! The cut the balls off the end of the episode with that "hack to black" manuever. At least a tenth of a second would have been nice to understand what Chase was trying to convey with the medium. Instead, I was cussing out my Cable Box in confusion and getting robbed of an 8-year climax. DUMBASSES.
Status Quo Rocks
by Larry of Arabia
Jun 10th, 2007
09:43:41 PM
That was a very "European Cinema" ending. Think about it. We lived 5 hellish minutes as Tony. He will be in fear his entire life and always "left hanging." Even innocuous things will scare him, like people simply walking behind his daughter. He believes that everyone is a suspect, everyone is after what he cares most about. He is a paranoid sociopath.
Sarlic hit the nail on the head
by TORTURE PWN
Jun 10th, 2007
09:43:48 PM
We experienced the tension and uncertainty Tony must face every day.Brilliant.
Agreed; last scene kicked ass
by Bernie Bernbaum
Jun 10th, 2007
09:44:15 PM
We all know how much Chase & co. are obsessed with The Godfather; the shifty guy going into the bathroom to (probably) come out blazing like Pacino in GF1 was a brilliant stroke. I'm sorry a few people here seem to hate ambiguity, but if that guy does come out firing, the massacre we imagine in our heads is far more violent than anything they could have filmed. C'mon, some slow-motion John Woo-pigeon BS would have been stupid. And the beauty of it is, even if that dude is really just going to take a piss, nothing good really lies ahead for this family, what with Tony's guy pulling a Sammy Gravano and going to the feds to spill his guts. Most others here have complimented how much pure dread emanates from every second of that last scene; I would agree. Awesome ending, and true to the show's character.
Does this mean?
by rodvegas78
Jun 10th, 2007
09:44:23 PM
That the last Harry Potter book is going to end with Ron trying to parallell park that blue flying car while Harry and Hermoine are eating those booger jelly beans and the last 15 pages of the book are just gonna be blank so we can write our own ending? Double points for Voldemort's head being crushed by an SUV!
who sings the song playing when
by tha plow
Jun 10th, 2007
09:44:51 PM
phil got killed? it's a cover of "you keep me hanging on." sounded sweet. gotta download it. anybody?
The guy with the beard
by Proevad
Jun 10th, 2007
09:45:16 PM
was Matthew Fox, I swear it was. :--)
TVGuy...
by Monkey Man Zero
Jun 10th, 2007
09:46:09 PM
Without having ever made claims of the intelligence level needed...AJ was the typical american 20 year old. He didn't get what he wanted and was depressed. He got some new pussy and a car and it fixed everything. Come to think of it, some pussy and a car would put me just right.
Ok, I didn't hate the ending, but
by TVguy4566
Jun 10th, 2007
09:46:18 PM
why is it that if I don't think it was brilliant that I am of lesser intelligence. My Master's degree on my wall speaks otherwise. Just because people don't like the ending doesn't mean they need to have things spoon fed, it means they just didn't like the episode. Personally, I usually think people who think they are morally or mentally superior to someone based on a friggin television show are have inadequency issues.
AJ
by RetroActive
Jun 10th, 2007
09:46:46 PM
He's just a spoiled rich kid who lives wherever the moment takes him. And he has no idea what any of it means. It just serves his current mood and either motivates or overwhelms him. That was the point. After all his talk...it was summed up with him describing to his psych that it was cool that his car blew up. And then he's driving an Beamer. He's just a coddled, directionless mess. It was perfect how he flipped at the end. And his last comment was a complaint about fetching coffee. The cycle continues. He wants all the perks without any of the responsibilities.
Don't look for meaning where there isn't any
by Faust_8
Jun 10th, 2007
09:46:48 PM
There was no signifigance to the black out ending. It just opens the door for a movie. Nothing is ever resolved on this damn show !!!!
Contempt, I say!!
by Jumping Windows
Jun 10th, 2007
09:46:49 PM
It has never been more apparent the contempt that David Chase has for America and the people who live in it, including the fans who are responsible for his financial status. I always hated interpretive literature because most of it reflects a cowardice in the writer. He or she is afraid to commit to a plot path and risk absolute alienation by a percentage of the fans. But open-ended endings absolutely alienate everyone because it does not resolve the premises that were introduced. I did not ask David Chase to invent those premises, but when he did so and fans watch based on those premises, he had a duty to satisfactorily resolve those premises. Yeah, you're gonna get people saying what a brilliant way to go out. But that's just people who relate to Chase's sadomasochistic personality, who thrive on the discomfort of others. Those who don't enjoy what is going on onscreen, but enjoy Chase's contemptuous manipulation of his audience and how he continually fucks them. Those who are in on the joke, so to speak, love to watch the American people get fucked on a weekly basis. It doesn't, however, make for great drama, or lend itself to a classic story. Who got whacked on this episode? The fans, and anyone who loved it loves to see a potentially brilliant series masquerading as torture of the lowly, unintelligent fuckers of the world. Sorry Chase's pompous ass ruined this story for you. That's why Gandolfini can't wait to get the fuck out of dodge. He's tired of seeing his fans getting strung along.
re: Larry of Arabia
by Bernie Bernbaum
Jun 10th, 2007
09:46:54 PM
I think you're right on; you articulated it far better than me.
Yipes!
by The Scarlet Claw
Jun 10th, 2007
09:46:58 PM
First time a television show made me feel shaky with tension long after the credits rolled. Freakin' brilliant if you ask me. Immersive writing, direction, and editing...except for the fact that right now I would kill for a plate of those onion rings...
Tony Died?
by Timmay
Jun 10th, 2007
09:47:33 PM
I was with everyone who said open-ended blah blah. Friend's theory was that Tony died. He said that Bobby in the first episode said "You never see it comig, probably don't hear a thing." That kinda fits.
My two cents
by DaKnifeOrDaGun
Jun 10th, 2007
09:48:11 PM
It's not just a hit on Tony but the entire family. Someone followed each member of the family and it was only when meadow entered the restaurant that the screen went silent. In my own opinion the entire family is dead. There is no way anyone could have survived that when the hit men had the place covered and Tony was unarmed with no protection. The ending made complete sense and it closed all story arcs. Does anyone have an idea who within the NY crew ordered the hit?
one of the black kids in the last scene was Walt...
by anoneemus1
Jun 10th, 2007
09:48:21 PM
and in my imagination a polar bear came out of the bathroom and ate Tony and he said it tasted like Fucking zitti....
Walnuts and the cat
by Faust_8
Jun 10th, 2007
09:49:14 PM
Now that's damn good television. They're just snakes with fur !!!
If that was any other series...
by TheyCallHimFlane
Jun 10th, 2007
09:49:15 PM
...there would be universal declarations that tonight's episode was the worst ending in television history. However, the show's track record has people convinced of David Chase's brilliance, and viewers are willing to tell themselves that whatever they just saw was a beautiful piece of art that we were all fortunate enough to have witnessed just so they can feel like they are in on the joke.

They could have stuck a picture of a jar of mayonnaise on the screen for the last 5 minutes, and people would still be clamoring that the mayonnaise was the perfect expression of the human condition and a fitting end to a series like The Sopranos.
Perfect, here's why doubters....
by Darth_Nader
Jun 10th, 2007
09:49:26 PM
The whole episode showed that the status quo will be maintained. Paulie's still getting pushed around, Tony's under a threat from getting dragged in on gun charges, AJ's still a fuck up, Meadow, is a bad driver (but still sexually active), there's still "dirty" cops. For people who want resolutions, we got some. NY backed off and let Phil get whacked. The episode with AJ's therapist shows that Tony really was feeding off therapy. The last scene shows us a very unique view of how Tony lives day to day. Everyone is a threat, and he has to live with it every day.
Monkey Man Zero
by TVguy4566
Jun 10th, 2007
09:49:41 PM
I didn't need to go through six weeks of the storyline for this to wrapped up in a neat little bow at the end or even dominate the final episode. That is what pissed me off most about this episode is that they focused 60-70% on AJ which had to be the worst and most annoying storyline in the who series, not just this season. And then they copped out in the end.
I Thought My DVR Froze Up and Broke
by fedrich519
Jun 10th, 2007
09:50:04 PM
What the fuck was that? Yes, the tension was palpable, yes Tony forever lives in his own prison, I get all that. Great. But that's it? Life goes on? What a huge pile of cop-out bullshit!! Its a story. Stories have endings. Fill in the blanks, choose your own adventure, you decide what happens next is a horrible insult to end such a wonderful series. If Damon and Carlton pull this kinda shit with Lost I'm climbing a water tower with a high-powered rifle.
Jumping Windows
by RetroActive
Jun 10th, 2007
09:50:18 PM
Francis Ford Coppola is nodding his head right now saying yeas, yes, YES! Jumping Windows!!! Then he looks over at the poster in his office of Godfather Part III and just starts crying while he buries his face in a massive ham sandwich. Sometimes, sticking to what got you there in the first place rather than copping out adds courage to your convictions. Way to go, Mr. Chase!
WOW... talk about keeping you on edge...
by Russman
Jun 10th, 2007
09:50:41 PM
I spent the last 10 min saying out loud - who the hell is that, who's that... oh no, he's walking right to them!!1
TVGuy
by pdiddy
Jun 10th, 2007
09:50:45 PM
"why is it that if I don't think it was brilliant that I am of lesser intelligence. My Master's degree on my wall speaks otherwise" I haven't seen any saying that you're dumb if you don't like it. Look behind your diploma for some self confidence man! As far as that goes, does a master's degree trump 7000 friends on myspace? I'm not clear.
I DVD'r "A History of Violence" on HBO last night
by c4andmore
Jun 10th, 2007
09:50:48 PM
that had a much better ending, and Maria Bello's cootchie. SPOILER: the drapes don't match the curtain
I dunno
by MrD
Jun 10th, 2007
09:51:16 PM
In many ways it was appropriate to the way the show has been the last few years. I don't mind at all playing against what we've been trained to expect. At the same time, it was a perfectly awkward place to stop. Maybe it would have been more satisfying has HBO not been hypiing it as "It's All Been Leading Up to This! The FINAL SOPRANOS! EVER!" Certainly we were led to believe it would be a big episode, and it wasn't. Again I can respect just ending it like it was just another episode, but not when its sold as something else.
I'm not as upset as I was
by FrodoFraggins
Jun 10th, 2007
09:51:47 PM
I was REALLY pissed with that ending, just because they built up the tension and then just cut it off. I'm not sure I'll ever like that ending, but I am glad Phil Retardo died and that Paulie and Tony survived.
Retro
by Jumping Windows
Jun 10th, 2007
09:52:56 PM
I'd rather watch Godfather III than any episode of the Sopranos after this finale.
The ending
by lordgrimplemort
Jun 10th, 2007
09:53:06 PM
I wasn't crazy about the ending, but it does fit well with the rest of the series and leaving so many things unresolved. But damned if it didn't have me on the edge of my seat. The song seemed to keep getting louder and tension kept building as Tony was suspicious of everyone in the place. The way Meadow kept having trouble parking, I almost believed that she would get out of her car to see her entire family gunned down right in front of her--or at least her dad. I didn't even think about it until some people here said it, but you could see the abrupt cut to black as Tony being killed without him seeing it coming, but I saw it as more of a "life goes on" ending. Not all the bad guys get what's coming to them.
Sopranos...Shpranos
by Karuma
Jun 10th, 2007
09:53:17 PM
What a waste....Eighty six episodes of copycat drama. The Sopranos zeitgeist purports to be a glimpse into the psyche and home life of a New Jersey mobster and his family but I never really "got" it. I decided to watch the entire first year hoping it would take a new direction and tell us something that "Goodfellas", "Danny Brasco", "The Godfather", "Carlito's Way", "A Bronx Tale", and "Casino" didn't, but instead it constantly repeated time after time the same cliches, the same scenarios, and I found myself underwhelmed and never tuned in again. I found Gandofini's interpretation of mob boss Tony Soprano to be heavy handed and over acted. Wrong guy for the part. The rest of the cast were fine actors, as is Gandofini in a plethora of other roles, but the writing was tedious and repetitive and I got the feeling that I had sat through this before. After watching the first year I found nothing with which I could relate or even bring myself to care about so I stopped and I am glad I did. Thank goodness it's over and we can move on to something better..which won't be hard.
The funny thing is my DVD DID fuck up
by TORTURE PWN
Jun 10th, 2007
09:53:24 PM
I had to watch the beginning (just the recap & credits) in another room while I rebooted it.I thought it fucked up again at the end!
I was half expecting the trailer for the Sopranos Movie
by rodvegas78
Jun 10th, 2007
09:53:58 PM
December 2008
Tha Plow - this is your song
by HenryVIII
Jun 10th, 2007
09:54:28 PM
"You Keep Me Hanging On" by Vanilla Fudge. Late 60's psychedelic remake of the Diana Ross and the Supremes hit.
hit on the family
by AcesOfSamSpade
Jun 10th, 2007
09:55:09 PM
I like the idea that it's a hit on the family, and blackout is it... But if that's the case, who sanctioned the move? Phil is dead, and his people know it: "do what you gotta do." So who sanctioned the kill (if that's what the blackout was)?
I sure as hell bet The Wire doesn't
by Chest_Rockwell
Jun 10th, 2007
09:55:11 PM
end with McNulty and Bunk knocking on a door they think is Marlo's to arrest him. And after thinking about it, at this point, I'm moving The Wire past the Soprano's on my all time faves, on the lameness of the final episode alone. The Wire's stories are tight, compelling, focused, well written, with dialogue that surpasses even Chase's bullshit. The characters are just as complex and interesting, and are much less one dimensional as some of the ones in Chase's fucking fanatasy world. The Wire. The greatest show on HBO.
pdiddy
by TVguy4566
Jun 10th, 2007
09:55:36 PM
Apparently you didn't read the self righteous rage of some of the asses on this board who claim America needs to be spoon fed. I didn't love the ending, but I don't need to spoon fed. I hate the Chase disciples on this board thinking that if you didn't love the episode that you are intellictually inferior. I didn't use that Master's degree reference to talk about how smart I am. I used to to show that educated people who don't need to be spoon fed don't have to neccessarily like the ending.
You are a horses ass
by Faust_8
Jun 10th, 2007
09:55:49 PM
The people supporting the final scene and saying how great it was, you are the same people who went to film school and made some overly pretenious piece of crap that you claim was supposed to represent mans duality of fear of death and fear of living, but really it represented your own inner struggle of your fear of REALLY living.
Most Abrupt Ending Ever?
by Darth Melkor
Jun 10th, 2007
09:55:56 PM
When it flashed to black, I freaked and started flipping around the channels, thinking the cable had just gone out at the worst possible spot imagineable.
TVGuy
by Monkey Man Zero
Jun 10th, 2007
09:56:03 PM
I'm with you on the AJ storyline I just took something different from the wrapup than you did. I liked that by copping out on the story he makes a snarky little comment on the propensity of the average teen boy to cop out on everything, even something as serious as wanting to kill yourself. I just wanted to be clear, I don't give a shit about what people think of David Chase (not an apologist) and I'm not saying anyone is of less intelligence bacause we see different things.
Where is FrancisBegbie?
by chimpjnr
Jun 10th, 2007
09:56:07 PM
He called it in the TB last week...only what he thought was his copy not containing the last minute of the episode was actually the end. Here's what he had to say: Well some of them. I saw a promotional copy of the last episode and while it did not include the last minute I saw enough so here we go. No joke. - AJ's car catches on fire while he is hooking up with his new girl. Very symbolic if you remember how they got that car. - Tony gets AJ a job in the entertainment industry because AJ was going to join the army to fight terrorism. - Tony goes to Junior and Junior has no idea who Tony is.This is after Janice goes to him to try and get after his money. - Phil Leotardo gets hit. He is killed by Benny at a gas station and then gets his head run over by the car he was in. - They find Phil because the FBI agent that Tony has been helping tells him where Phil is. - While Phil is away Tony has a sit down with New York and they agree to lay off and also say they would not mind if Phil is gone. The last scene they are sitting in a diner with Dont Stop Believing by Journey playing. REALLY REALLY intense and right when the conclusion is about to play out my copy ended. Come back Sunday night and call me a liar but no one will need to....
Robert Patrick..
by rodvegas78
Jun 10th, 2007
09:56:16 PM
he kills the family..
Face it,there was no other way to end the show...
by TORTURE PWN
Jun 10th, 2007
09:56:24 PM
that wasn't expected.Probably even by the cast who reportedly shot multiple endings.Apparently they didn't use ANY of them. Brilliant!
When does Entourage come back ????
by Faust_8
Jun 10th, 2007
09:57:02 PM
So much better than this crap
Brilliant! End with a horrible, boring episode!
by zizzish
Jun 10th, 2007
09:59:07 PM
how true. life really is like that. boring. AJ is just like a bunch of dimwit guys i know with dull things to say about iraq, and who wouldn't spend $15 a month to listen to them? most people expected the series to end with something cool and interesting. but that would have left us wanting more. better this way -- glad we don't have to spend time with a show whose creative force has withered. if this was the first episode, no one would have watched the second. genius. they shouldn't have rolled credits until the family silently finished eating the onion rings.
On the other hand...
by The Scarlet Claw
Jun 10th, 2007
09:59:58 PM
It could be just a ploy to get us to all buy the DVD so we can watch the alternate endings that were shot so we'll ALL be happy. ...fucking onion rings...I can almost taste them.
Emperor's New Clothes
by otto maddox
Jun 10th, 2007
10:00:12 PM
If this was anything other than David Chase and the Sorpranos, people would all being agreeing the piece of shit that this ending is - finishing it in mid-flow is prententious bullshit
Soprano ending is for Elementary school kids
by jhpiii
Jun 10th, 2007
10:01:05 PM
FOr people who don't care about true writing skills, or how to write a complete novel...this is the type of ending that makes you think for about 5 min...then over,,,,what a idiot way to end a series that got such high praise
Monkey Man Zero
by TVguy4566
Jun 10th, 2007
10:01:10 PM
I guess I am more upset that it took Chase the nearly the entire half of this season to make the point you laid out. I can see your point and it does make sense, but did we need so much screen time to make this point? AJ probably had as much screen time since they returned for the last half of the season as Tony. I know Chase wants to go beyond the who mobster show, but I always saw AJ as a minor character and an annoying one at that. Now the last leg was as much about him as Tony especially the last episode.
Tony's not dead...
by RetroActive
Jun 10th, 2007
10:01:22 PM
I know there was plenty of symbolism...but the message was pretty clear. Life goes on. When someone was killed on this show, especially the main character....it would be spelled out for you.
You watch.
by Chest_Rockwell
Jun 10th, 2007
10:01:30 PM
They'll try and make a movie, and if they can get the details worked out (schedules, $$, a script - hopefully not written by chase, etc.) it'll be obvious that the ending was "life as usual, tony paranoid all the time." If the movie DOESN'T get made, they can say the cut to black was Tony getting clipped. As I've stated, a cheapass copout. Fuck Chase. The Wire will fuck The Soprano's 100 ways to sunday.
The cat did it....
by pie87
Jun 10th, 2007
10:02:39 PM
He was working for the government. Or, it was a metaphor involving the greasy onion rings and heart disease.
Elementary School was awesome!
by RetroActive
Jun 10th, 2007
10:03:46 PM
So count me among the dummies who just don't get true writing skills.
I still say bring back Walnuts and the cat !!!!
by Faust_8
Jun 10th, 2007
10:04:42 PM
That is compelling TV
Why that was a perfect ending-
by skydog
Jun 10th, 2007
10:04:51 PM
It had my heart beating so hard and then suddenly I thought my cable went out. I even reached for the remote before the credits started and I realized it was over. Brilliant. The ultimate reminder THAT IT WAS A TV SHOW. Yes, like life it is open-ended but TV shows have to end sometime. EE-YOW!!
Existentialist Livia? Well, she said it best...
by FitzroyTheFrog
Jun 10th, 2007
10:05:16 PM
"In the end, it's all a big nothing.".... 'Nother thought: this is the show that should be called "This American Life".... Tony Soprano is the new Ralph Kramden.... Still thinking... will repost when all these thoughts come together... Oh yeah, it was an excellent ending by the way...
That wasn't Robert Patrick
by Spoons
Jun 10th, 2007
10:05:33 PM
The Truck Driver in Diner was played by Patrick Joseph Connolly.
thanks hank
by tha plow
Jun 10th, 2007
10:05:35 PM
but, i'm pretty sure it wasn't the vanilla fudge version. sounded more modern, less psychedelic. but i only heard it once, so i could be wrong. sounded more metal.
had to do some thinking
by DaKnifeOrDaGun
Jun 10th, 2007
10:05:44 PM
I think Tony is definitely dead. I don't think there was a hit on the entire family because as it was said before , they don't take it out on the family, just the person. So they wanted to kill Tony the same way he killed Phil... in front of his family. It was about retribution. It went to black because we were seeing the last scene through tony's eyes. Obviously the hit man came out the bathroom and shot tony just as he saw meadow enter the restaurant. thats why the screen went dead silent to illustrate the impact.
TVGuy.....
by BangoSkank
Jun 10th, 2007
10:06:06 PM
Who here has attacked your intelligence? I get tired of the name calling and shit-talking on this site, so I seldom post.... but I think all that stress of getting your Master's degree has cracked you and made you paranoid. I'm sure once you have your doctorate hanging up on the wall it'll pass. Maybe you should impress us all by telling us how much you make or what kind of car you drive. See, that was a personal attack. Although very passive-aggressive in nature.
Angel's Not Fade Away did it better.
by glodene
Jun 10th, 2007
10:07:01 PM
RECOGNIZE! Btw, BRING ON THE WIRE!
Andy Kaufman Christmas special did it too !!!
by Faust_8
Jun 10th, 2007
10:07:41 PM
when the picture went up and down for ten seconds. It's been done before David Chase, you're not doing anything ground breaking. Andy Kaufman did it to fuck with the viewer, what's your excuse ?
TV Guy
by pdiddy
Jun 10th, 2007
10:07:44 PM
I didn't love it either. I agree with you on the spoonfeeding, there could certainly be some middle ground. I have no idea how I WANTED to end though so I can't bitch either way.
Yep, They're All Dead
by Rebeck3
Jun 10th, 2007
10:07:51 PM
The guy at the counter definitely seemed to be waiting for Meadow to come in.
Spoons... Robert Patrick = Patrick J. Connolly
by rodvegas78
Jun 10th, 2007
10:08:03 PM
It IS ROBERT PATRICK!!! Why would they go to such great lengths to hide his face??? Not to mention.. Patrick Joseph Connolly is an AKA for Robert Patrick.. I'm guessing..
i'll just have to wait
by tha plow
Jun 10th, 2007
10:08:09 PM
until they post it on the hbo episode guide/music page. http://www.hbo.com/sopranos/mu sic/episode85.shtml
PLEASE STOP WITH THIS ARTSY FARTSY SHITE! WORST FINALE
by jiwphish
Jun 10th, 2007
10:08:56 PM
Alright hears the gods honest truth... I'm a huge fan of this show. I respect David Chase and most of HBO's shows. Tonight's finale was a total disappointment. I like all of you thought my dvr fucked up...that my cable blew out...that my wife's dvr recording of the Tony's interfered with the ending of the Sopranos. NO. None of that. This was David Chase, the Producers and network executives giving in to their call for additional $$$ later on. MOVIE. Please this was terrible. Okay so now that Ive established that Im really upset about the ending...what's really pissing me off now is reading some of these posts about how some of you liked the finale! I understand what has been happening over the course of the show, the seasons..but you know what, as a finale, the story didnt work. Can we just all agree already that almost every season has been a build up of open endings. And here we are in the end of the show, the finale, and yet more open endings. Where is the entertainment? If it wasnt for Chase's ability to make the viewer get roped-in to his characters, I dont know if I would have watched these last couple of years. As story lines go, this finale was not final for me. Better luck next time Chase.
Send ONION RINGS to HBO. Say "Make new ending!"
by VanGoghX
Jun 10th, 2007
10:09:53 PM
That'll teach those cork-sucking futher-mucking bastages.
Francis Begbie
by WYLD STALLYNS RULES
Jun 10th, 2007
10:10:30 PM
No one has at this point recognized that wow- this guy actually DID see the episode. Probably. A few holes, like telling us Patsy was the rat and not Carlo and that it was Benny who shot Phil (it was actually the guy I call Alternate Universe Benny). Anyhow, the episode- I was furious for about 30 minutes but now that it has sunk in , wow. Brilliant.
Have Walnuts grimace at a cat for 56 minutes
by Faust_8
Jun 10th, 2007
10:10:44 PM
I'm telling you, it's good shit !!
Best Line of the show...
by RetroActive
Jun 10th, 2007
10:10:52 PM
If there had been children playing in that pile of leaves...you could have run them over! Carm is such a jackass! I love the throwaway lines in this show! The best exchange of all time was when Tony was in the hospital... Pasteur: "Scientists would have you believe that dinosaurs existed before humans. God created the world 6000 years ago and humans and dinsaurs lived together." Tony Soprano: "Like in the Flintstones?" Tony Soprano: "Yeah, but what about that carbon dating stuff and all" Pasteur: "Tony, these people have an agenda." Tony listens, nods his head, the preacher leaves. Then Tony's ever cynic nephew Christopher opens his mouth and utters these words I kid you not: Christopher: "What's he sayin', there were dinosaurs back with Adam n' Eve?" Tony Soprano: "I guess." Christopher: "No way. T-Rex in the garden of Eden, Adam and Eve would be runnin' all the time scared shitless, but the book says its supposed to be paradise..." That's what made the show great.
Give it Another Chance
by ZoeFan
Jun 10th, 2007
10:12:21 PM
While I still believe most people complaining are spoon fed babies, you're allowed to have your own opinion. However, I would say to the haters to watch the episode again. I really think if you didn't like this finale, you were just expecting too much (a Hollywood bulls**t ending if I'm gonna be honest). Now that you know what's what, you can sit back and relax and watch it for what it was. A good piece of film making that did actually tie up a bunch of loose ends, had lots of forshadowing, and had the viewing thinking the whole time. P.S. that IS ROBERT PATRICK!!!!!! Good lookin out. Although I'm really not sure why he would be there other than Chase trying to throw us off again.
BangoSkank
by TVguy4566
Jun 10th, 2007
10:12:45 PM
Aparently, you must be part of the idiot america they were talking about. Since you are too dumb or too lazy to find them. I will repost a few word for word: "this thread is proof positive that america by bacci40 Jun 10th, 2007 09:31:35 PM IS FILLED WITH FUCKING RETARDS THAT NEED TO BE SPOON FED EVERYTHING...WELL GUESS WHAT RETARDS, CHASE SAID FUCK YOU TO YOU ALL...OR DIDNT YOU CATCH THE FORSHADOWING DURING THE EPISODE...SINCE YOU DIDNT...FUCK YOU ALL OVER AGAIN...NOW YOU CAN ALL GO WATCH FF2...THAT WILL HAVE A NICE ENDING...and in any case...any specific type of ending would have a section of the audience being pissed about something...and no, he couldnt end it like the godfather...hey ive got an idea...why dont you fucks send nuts to chase...or mars bars...or some other inane thing because your pathetic lives need a pat ending....thank god for chase...oh, and john from cincinatti sux balls and this is only the first 5 minutes" and "People need to grow up and stop being spoon fed!!! by ZoeFan Jun 10th, 2007 09:33:26 PM The Title says everything"
But The Movie Never Ends....
by moxmox
Jun 10th, 2007
10:13:01 PM
It Go's ON AND ON AND ON AND ON!!!!
Who else is tired of...
by rodvegas78
Jun 10th, 2007
10:13:36 PM
that whiny Five for Fighting Song.. "Be careful what you wish for." Even though that line speaks volumes right now... John from Cincinnati Sux.. I bet Luke Perry would kill to do a spinoff Buffy series based on his character Pike.. sweeps guest star, Paul Reubens!!! There are no more great shows anymore.. no Lost until 2008.. No Jericho until 2008.. Heroes failed to deliver... Harry Potter will be ending in July... the world is a sucky place right now.. next thing you're gonna tell me is that Galactus is a cloud, Optimus Prime has lips and flames, and they're making another Die Hard..
I'll miss you most of all Paulie "Walnuts"
by ruiz2010
Jun 10th, 2007
10:13:50 PM
You were like the homicidal, unstable uncle I wish I had.
It's too late, people.
by RetroActive
Jun 10th, 2007
10:13:56 PM
You watched it. Deal with it. So, to say, "can we all agree" will never happen. Which makes the title all the more appropriate. "Made in America". The discussion goes on. That's what makes it great.
That Feeld like your favourite sports team losing the g
by vieri32
Jun 10th, 2007
10:14:27 PM
It would have been an o.k ending if there was not going to be a movie. Unfortunately, we all know there's gonna be one and thats why Chase decided to end it like this. Too much money to be made from movie. Thus they could never have allowed closure on tonights episode. Made In America is right. Money talks in America and Chase wants another big paycheck.
New at this.
by vieri32
Jun 10th, 2007
10:16:14 PM
I forgot to spell check. I was trying to say that the episode felt like your fovourite sports team,losing the championship game. Big disappointment.
How many people
by pdiddy
Jun 10th, 2007
10:16:18 PM
are cancelling HBO right now after seeing Sopranos end and that piece of shit Dude from Cincy show waste an hour of their lives? I'm out until the Wire is back...
why
by biscuit turner
Jun 10th, 2007
10:16:21 PM
Why the fuck am I considering arguing with a bunch of thirteen year olds about that episode? It was great.
The guy walking into the bathroom
by Faust_8
Jun 10th, 2007
10:16:23 PM
Is abso-fucking-loutly nothing except David Chase playing on the fact that Micheal Corleone had the gun in the bathroom. Really, want Soprano fan doesn't know that.
Paulie was right..
by rodvegas78
Jun 10th, 2007
10:16:37 PM
2007 has sucked..
GreatOne2
by RetroActive
Jun 10th, 2007
10:17:33 PM
No...there wasn't anyone with a gun. He just looked suspicious when he headed toward the bathroom and fit the profile of a mafia style hitman the best, if you will.
Closure?
by AtariFX
Jun 10th, 2007
10:18:03 PM
This is utter bullshit. People talk about the closure of the family - what do you mean? AJ goes from hooking up w/ 16 year old, to wanting to join the army and 4 minutes later he's happy being a movie coordinators bitch? Meadow's getting married - her storyline has sucked for months. Carm's house and Tony's gambling? Thanks for fixing that one. The Shrink - Kicks Tony out and that's it. After hearing Tony's whining for years, I get that crap? Syl - I love that the magic bullet infomercial was playing at the beginning of that scene. The Cat - Was it Chris/Big Pussy/ or Adriana? What a shitty ending - a little bit of closure please. Didn't Bobby ask Tony if you heard it when you're killed?
Great Episode with a Fuck You Ending
by _Maltheus_
Jun 10th, 2007
10:18:04 PM
And it was a fuck you ending cause it was done in such a way that I had to come one here to make sure it wasn't my POS satellite cutting out. But the rest was ok. Ok, I guess that means it wasn't great. Just kind of seems like the setup for a movie. And I'm ok with that I guess. But without out so many of our favorite characters? Or will he wait 6 years and show AJ as a made guy? Who knows?
There's no Patrick Joseph Connolly
by Chest_Rockwell
Jun 10th, 2007
10:18:27 PM
Listed on IMDB.
TVGuy....
by BangoSkank
Jun 10th, 2007
10:18:59 PM
You quoted my earlier post when bitching about an attack on your IQ, which I didn't do. In any way, shape, or form. What did you expect? You stupid little twat. There, happy?
stop interpreting the ending. it merely sucks
by zizzish
Jun 10th, 2007
10:19:19 PM
if it ain't there, it ain't there. if you keep trying to explain to yourself why that was a good ending, you're exactly the fool Chase hoped you would be. you don't want to be like one of those fools who spent 3 years defending The Phantom Menace before finally being forced to admit it was unwatchable.
NOT SURPRISED
by gap4119
Jun 10th, 2007
10:20:07 PM
This show has meandering about for 3 seasons with half baked plots that start and have no resolution thats why the audience dwindled. I half expected this episode to be about Tony painting Carmelas spec house or taking a dump. As for those of you that are speculating what happened next, Well they sat in the diner, Meadow was running in and they cut to black. The actors(YES THERE ACTORS) got up went home and cashed their checks. There was no hit in the show or ongoing plot brewing down in Brooklyn. Its a tv show.
Don't look for symbolism where there isn't any
by Faust_8
Jun 10th, 2007
10:20:12 PM
you are fucking dumb
Faust_8
by ZoeFan
Jun 10th, 2007
10:20:14 PM
Well played good sir (or mad'am).
In Retrospect People, after a few repeat...
by glodene
Jun 10th, 2007
10:21:56 PM
viewings, the ending will make sense, thus making it more palatable to the die-hard fans pre-conceived expectations...Remember, time heals all wounds. It took me a while to get over Angels' demise.
deadlinehollywooddaily hammers Sopranos
by rainbowtrout1265
Jun 10th, 2007
10:22:26 PM
"This is why America hates Hollywood. The line to cancel HBO starts here. What a ridiculously disappointing end lacking in creativity to The Sopranos saga. Even if David Chase, who wrote and directed the final episode, was demonstrating the existential and endless loop of Tony's life, it still robbed the audience of closure. And if it were done to segue into a motion picture sequel, then that kind of crass comercialism shouldn't be tolerated. (See my Does Chase Have 'Sopranos' Movie Idea?) Either way, it was terrible. Apparently, my extreme reaction was typical of the series' fans: they crashed HBO's website tonight trying to register their outrage. Chase clearly didn't give a damn about his fans. Instead, he crapped in their faces. C'mon, every year this series' creator had to be dragged kicking and screaming back to the computer to write more episodes against his will even though The Sopranos has made him fantastically rich. Especially now that it's in syndication. (See my A&E's Profanity-Free Tony Soprano A Hit) Chase needed to exert himself to a concoct an artful denouement. But he took the easy way out. Whether or not Tony got iced didn't matter. The show we all loved deserved a decent burial. Instead, it went into a black hole. Already, some of the more arrogant TV critics like The New York Times' Alessandra Stanley are online claiming that Chase fulfilled expectations by defying expectations. Phooey. Call up your cable companies and complain with your wallets."
What would the movie be about?
by RetroActive
Jun 10th, 2007
10:22:59 PM
Please...tell me! All of the character arcs on this show last at least two to three episodes. Each ep is an uninterrupted hour...like a movie. So, what's the point? You could see doing a sex in the City movie since the show's 25 minutes an ep. But all has been said here. There'll never be a movie. Unless...of course...Sil gets injected with Toxic waste in the hospital and returns to exact his delusional revenge on what's left of the crew...only to be thwarted by Paulie Walnuts and his sidekick cat Goldie long enough for Carmella to beat him with her spec shore house blueprints while Tony strangles him with his own toupe while eating really greasy, 'shroom laced onion rings!
Zizz is right...
by rodvegas78
Jun 10th, 2007
10:24:06 PM
I think that TV is specifically made for morons.. it's not an art.. it's a way to make money.. just like the radio.. what you see is what you get.. no interpretation.. I thought at the beginning with all the snow that the end would be that they're all in this Snow Globe of some down syndrome kid.. at least Uncle Jr. can go back to dancing for Six Flags..
THE CAT!!!! also, great ending!!! holy shit
by TheDohDoh
Jun 10th, 2007
10:24:16 PM
NEVER BEFORE DID THE SOPRANOS HAVE A PET, THEN COMES THIS CAT TO TEASE PAULIE BECAUSE CATS ARE THE LEAST LOYAL PETS ON THE PLANET. I ALWAYS WONDERED WHY THEY DIDN'T HAVE A PET, AND NOW I KNOW. As for the ending, it was fantastic. It goes along with the whole life-is-suffering point of the show and you can live with all the characters-the ones you love and the ones you wished caught a bullet-for eternity. THE JOURNEY SONG, SERIOUSLY THE SADDEST FUCKING WHITE TRASH SONG ON THE PLANET - IT WAS PERFECT. Whether someone caught a bullet after that is up for grabs. I'll watch it again on OnDemand. But hey, Paulie Walnuts, still loyal. Probably the saddest part of it all. Gets shortshifted after all that bullshit. The Mob. So it fuckin' goes. Long live the cat (holy shit, a cat almost up-ended the entire series). Uncle Jr. = long live MARS. Nice. Let it resonate. Don't hate. SADDDDDDD is the word of tomorrow, that's for sure. Even though, nobody dies, sad as fuck. Every day is Gotti to these people and their offspring finally gets it.
By the way...
by RetroActive
Jun 10th, 2007
10:24:17 PM
HBO website is up and running.
Zoefan
by Faust_8
Jun 10th, 2007
10:24:18 PM
Sir, and thank you.
He should give the ending back to the indians
by _Maltheus_
Jun 10th, 2007
10:24:26 PM
...and maybe some of the rest.
There is a Patrick Joseph Connolly
by CrushKillDestroy
Jun 10th, 2007
10:24:42 PM
A Night Of Boxing Off Broadway Patrick Joseph Connolly returns to the stage fresh off his feature film debut in "The Gardener of Eden," which premiered at the TriBeca Film Festival. Connolly will also appear in the final episode of the HBO hit, "The Sopranos." He also has appeared a theater production of, "A Letter From Ethel Kennedy." It was just five minutes of being Tony at the end. I am satisfied. I can now cancel HBO in peace. I agree with an earlier post that if the final episode was followed by "Adventures of Paulie and the Cat" I'd have watched and kept HBO. I don't care about John from . . .
Spin off
by Your Moms Box
Jun 10th, 2007
10:25:14 PM
Paulie and the cat get an apartment together? I'd watch it...
How does David Chase keep 10 million retards in suspens
by NapoleonDynamite
Jun 10th, 2007
10:26:00 PM
****************************** ******cut to black
it was totally Robert Patrick..
by rodvegas78
Jun 10th, 2007
10:26:28 PM
it's a ruse, I tells ya!!
And for the record....
by BangoSkank
Jun 10th, 2007
10:26:50 PM
I think the series had at least a dozen too many episodes, like they flashed enough cash to make Chase stretch the series out. Still loved the ending though, but understand why others don't.
The Cat was obviously Adrianna..
by rodvegas78
Jun 10th, 2007
10:28:57 PM
because she was a pussy for leaving the Sopranos to do that "Joey" show..
M. Night Shamalyian
by gap4119
Jun 10th, 2007
10:28:58 PM
David Chase is the M. Night Shamalyian of HBO.
I DON'T GIVE A FUCK
by Immortal_Fish
Jun 10th, 2007
10:29:33 PM
I DON'T GIVE A FUCK how you intend to set up a major motion picture.

THIS IS NO WAY to end a series like this.

I DON'T GIVE A FUCK how you intend to set up a major motion picture.

Do you GET ME?!

BangoSkank
by TVguy4566
Jun 10th, 2007
10:29:34 PM
Now who's paranoid? I never quoted anyone specifically. I just used the typical lines that elitist Chase fans use every week to look down on people who didn't like that week's episode as if they aren't smart enough to get Chase's writing like it is some profound novel for the ages. If you felt I was talking about, I'm sorry. I don't even remember your post. The two big themes for Chase elitists every week is that America needs to be spoon fed and need things tied up in a little bow. Aparently, they are so profound, but yet they can't come up with new and interesting ways to look down on everyone from episode to episode or for that matter series to series since it is the same insults they throw around on the Studio 60 TBs.
was picturing a shootout between Tony & Phil n the snow
by Orionsangels
Jun 10th, 2007
10:30:06 PM
how dramatic and exciting would that have been? this diner shit, whoa! even the characters in the Sopranos would disgusted by this ending. i mean i'm insulted.
Next? Preacher?
by loki965
Jun 10th, 2007
10:30:18 PM
Does anybody have any idea what's going on with Preacher? I love the books and if they do with it what they did with Carnivale or Deadwood, it will be a mass of profane magnificence.
How to cop out on an ending...
by jhpiii
Jun 10th, 2007
10:30:18 PM
and still have idiots think you are a genius
Good lord that was god awful
by Defrost
Jun 10th, 2007
10:32:04 PM
That episode was comedy with how bad it was. Now you have people writing fanfiction in their heads to make up what happened when the sceen went black. Here's what happened they kept on eating onion rings.
MAJOR DISAPPOINTMENT
by B Arthur
Jun 10th, 2007
10:32:11 PM
I had friends over to watch the finale. Needless to say noone was impressed, in fact there was anger. I am pretty pissed actually. Talk about anti-climactic, at this point I hope there is no movie because all it will be is pointless drivel and metaphors that lead absolutly nowhere. How do they get away with this? Does HBO believe its position as the #1 premium network is so secure they can belittle and treat their subscribers like shit? No payoff on anything (Except for maybe Junior)! Fuck this. Shotime so has HBO by the balls with 'Dexter' it isnt even funny. The 5th and 6th seasons have been a complete waste of time, and David Chase dares to tell people he had this ending in mind the entire time? Please don't belittle us anymore. What a crock of shit this ending was. I don't even know what to say. Why am I even talking about this show anymore?!?!
TVGuy...
by BangoSkank
Jun 10th, 2007
10:32:35 PM
Fair enough... I promise to double my meds in the morning.
"I thought my cable blacked out"
by RetroActive
Jun 10th, 2007
10:32:53 PM
If you said or thought this...you didn't get the ending and probably don't get a lot of things. I can't believe people are admitting to this. Look, if you didn't like it you didn't like it. But if you thought your cable blacked out, you probably didn't get the whole series anyway and just watched it for the "whacks". So, in conclusion.................... .............................. .............................. .............................. .............................. .............................. .......................WRITTEN & DIRECTED BY DAVID CHASE .............................. .............................. .............................. .............................. ..........
Tony's still trippin' from the Peyote..
by rodvegas78
Jun 10th, 2007
10:33:11 PM
he gets it!!!! Wakes up spooning Kevin Dillon.. Enterage/Sopranos crossover!!! check it out they're making a movie about Pablo Escobar.... AJ was gonna help out on a movie... huh?? Huh?? It can't all be coincidental..
gap4119
by TVguy4566
Jun 10th, 2007
10:33:43 PM
That was a low blow. At leastr Chase has some creativity left. Shamalyian just tries to come up with a "shocker" twist (how can it be a shocker when everyone who comes to his movies are waiting for it) and then builds a movie around it. He stopped being a screenwriter somewhere after Unbreakable and became a movie marketing machine.
The Tudors
by Mr Bonefish
Jun 10th, 2007
10:35:35 PM
Now that show is getting pretty cool. That season finale was worth watching at least. The Sopranos finale? hahaha....fade to black...HEHEhehehaha.
The Cat
by B Arthur
Jun 10th, 2007
10:36:37 PM
Sad, but the damn cat was the most interesting thing on the screen tonight other than Junior.
CUT to Black!
by eppdude
Jun 10th, 2007
10:36:46 PM
CUT, I say! SON...OF...A...BITCH!
America Hates Hollywood???
by Rebeck3
Jun 10th, 2007
10:37:23 PM
Someone needs to turn off the talk radio assholes. AJ says something about enjoying the good times and Tony is content - I don't think he's worried at all about a hit, it's OUR anxiety Chase is playing on. In my mind there's no doubt they all got hit. And yeah, it's better in my imagination than it would have been had they shown it. The whole scene is showing us the family is still together and they're gettin' whacked together. To me it also happens to be the fate they all deserve. (The kids are idiots just like the wife, they're all guilty)
A question
by jocutus
Jun 10th, 2007
10:37:56 PM
How many seasons have ended with the family getting together and having dinner?
even more creepy..
by rodvegas78
Jun 10th, 2007
10:37:56 PM
Tony did Peyote in the desert... Kevin Dillon was in The Doors where they did peyote in the desert... coincidence??
I loved it
by VanLingoMungo
Jun 10th, 2007
10:38:29 PM
Chase ended the thing on his own terms. If there's a movie, great. If not, great. But he made the show and ended it how he wanted to end it. If it didn't work for you, then YOU can come up with YOUR own show and end it in whichever manner YOU see fit. And I love that people hated it. I bathe in your tears, whiners.
Fucking A, VanLingo
by eppdude
Jun 10th, 2007
10:39:22 PM
Im with you. Although, I DO hope there is NOT a movie. I love the ambiguity here.
I held out to the very end.
by B Arthur
Jun 10th, 2007
10:41:03 PM
I havnt really criticized the show until now. I kept telling everyone "Wait until the final nine" "Wait until the final 4" "Well, wait until the final episode". So many plot points raised. So few even explored. This was not a finale for viewers with taste. This was a finale that rubbed shit in peoples faces. In like a Lion, out like a retarded lamb. Thats all I have to say about this series now.
Chase got what he wanted
by angry kitty
Jun 10th, 2007
10:42:00 PM
controversy. endless debates over whether he's a cinematic genius or just some no talent hack. little over an hour, and must be 200+ posts. seems like he got what he was after.
loki965
by gap4119
Jun 10th, 2007
10:42:13 PM
I went to a comic signing of Garth Ennis for "the Boys"(you like preacher read that) i asked whats up with Preacher--He said HBO was happy with the initial script but still a ways off. He was hoping for Lucas Black to play Jessie Custer.
Stripper running in the surveillance camera
by vieri32
Jun 10th, 2007
10:44:54 PM
WTF was that all about. Why did they keep cutting to the surveillance cam whenTony is talking to his lawyer???? To create more false tension for the viewer? The series was one big jerk off with no happy ending.
You people are hilarious
by memento108
Jun 10th, 2007
10:45:03 PM
Everybody wants a hollywood ending tied up in a nice box and delivered on your doorstep. That's not life, and that's what this whole show was about.
Guy in the bathroom
by Neutron
Jun 10th, 2007
10:45:37 PM
He was not just a little suspicious, he kept looking over at them and looked sideways at Tony as he headed to the bathroom. It seemed clear that he was going to come out shooting. But yeah, I also thought my DVR had stopped a few minutes early. Horrible ending, one of the worst series finales I've ever seen. After so many years on the air they spend half the episode dealing with their idiot son, one of the least interesting characters on tv. I kept hoping he would die.
Riiiigghhht...Retro
by Boober
Jun 10th, 2007
10:46:29 PM
Let's abuse the medium so that it obliterates the immersive qualities that make it effective. We can go deep as you want with symbolism (how's this: Paulie hates the cat because he is Tony's dog/loyal bitch and dog's hate cats) but Chase just did not EXECUTE...that's right...EXECUTE the sudden cut to black properly. If there was even a tiny hint of fade to black or it was set up in a different way (which could have been done) to avoid confusion, then it would have been a perfect ending. Get off your high-horse. Questioning whether or not it meant "life goes on" or "never see it coming" is par for the course. Wondering if my cable went out means Chase didn't do his F-ing job, highbrow.
Chase is a HACK
by B Arthur
Jun 10th, 2007
10:47:01 PM
The actors are the only thing that held this show together since season 2 or 3. I have no problem with the performances. The writing was obviously tired and no characters got any real closure except for maybe Junior. Pie-Oh-My, a fucking horse got more closure than Silvio, Christopher and the entire New York storyline put together! What a crock of shit.
David Chase chooses HD-DVD. Here's why.
by Pennsy
Jun 10th, 2007
10:47:46 PM
Because he's fucking David Chase, that's why.
Chase trying to be hipster fuck's us all. Bada Bing.
by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz
Jun 10th, 2007
10:48:01 PM
I am not sure what his message or intent with that shitty last episode was but as great as that series was it ended on a whimper. Movie or no movie in the future that was an ass raping if there ever was one to the fans who devoted so much time to such a great series.

David Chase is pure and simple a fucking asshole. I don't care how "Cool" some people think the ending was because deep down you are full shit and feel shafted so it's easier to play along and say hey he did something cool instead of realizing we were all taken for a ride.

Just over all one of the worst episodes I've ever seen. Very anti-climatic with the Phil story line. Very anti-climatic in general.

He should have taken a cue from the Six Feet Under last episode and done The Sopranos right instead of this garbage. I am fucking livid.
Has Anyone Mentioned...
by Rebeck3
Jun 10th, 2007
10:48:06 PM
That it ended exactly on the words "don't stop" in the song? That's kind of a clue that your cable didn't go out, not a coincidence.
AND as it turns out, mjgtexas is a total asshole.
by eppdude
Jun 10th, 2007
10:48:35 PM
What a fuckin idiot. Nice spoilers. Cheers, douchebag.
BUT WHAT WOULD KURT RUSSELL SAY ABOUT THIS ONE?
by Pennsy
Jun 10th, 2007
10:49:34 PM
Other Disappointments and Good Shock Endings
by DeckardBladeRunner
Jun 10th, 2007
10:49:39 PM
Wow, Ive never been as disappointed with an ending since the wildly bad ending of the Matrix trilogy. The talkback is similar in that about 80% realize it for the hack job that it was, and the other 20% hang on to the fact that it is so incredible that the 80% are awful. Asking for an ending doesnt mean that we as the disappointed 80% needed some canned hollywood "goodfellas" or "godfather" ending, just an ending. I had heard one today regarding agent harris shooting AJ- this would have been a non hollywood ending that would have been creative, differnet but would have been an ENDING. I will never invest in another David Chase new project, that being said, I have truly enjoyed Sopranos up to this point and will continue to do so on DVD (just like Matrix #1 and the Animatrix, not the terrible sequels!) For a true "non ending" that is still spoken well of to this day, look to the end of the French Connection with Popeye Doyle running off into the warehouse, open ended, but still cool- Sopranos ending, very disappointing.
NOT TO MENTION THE 7,000 MYSPACE FRIENDS??
by Pennsy
Jun 10th, 2007
10:50:36 PM
Inquiring minds...
Seriously guys..
by crackerfarmboy
Jun 10th, 2007
10:51:47 PM
That FUCKING SUCKED. Just like the last four SHITTY FUCKING seasons. Fuck you David Chase! Go take a shit and die! What a fucking waste of 3 good seasons. Oh and there is NO SYMBOLISM, NO ART, NO BEAUTY, NO IRONY, NO FUCKING NOTHING. It just plain FUCKING SUCKED!!! I will boycott any fucking movie made about this once great, and now utterly pathetic, show!
squishy head phil
by werewolfbynight
Jun 10th, 2007
10:52:25 PM
I didnt care for the ending. The finale of Deadwood, and now the Sopranos, were anticlimatic for one reason. So they can return at some point in the future. The two moments I adored were A.J.'s exploding car and Phil's imploding head. All in all a pretty good finale. Paulie and the cat kicked ass. what a great way to fuck with a supertitious bastard.
"thats not life and thats what show is about"
by vieri32
Jun 10th, 2007
10:53:12 PM
For those that claim thats why this episode was great, thats a cop out. In real life the mob guy gets whacked or sent to jail. Thats real life. If your going to tell a story end it. Dont leave it to your viewer to finish your own story.
OK, but remember the "ending" to season 6 pt 1?
by eppdude
Jun 10th, 2007
10:53:18 PM
All the family sitting in the living room at Christmas time? THAT's the ending you'd want? no no you fuckers woulda been all piss and vinegar about that too.
Six Feet Under reigns as HBO's champ.
by B Arthur
Jun 10th, 2007
10:53:52 PM
This network is deeply disappointing, considering all the self masturbatory promos they give themselves. SFU? Now there is HBO's real consistent gem. Totally hard to watch, but the finale was honest to the fans. This? I understand each and every fan who is disappointed. I guess we should have been clued in at the end of season 6a (Which was going to be the original series ending episode) when it ended with a 3 minute cut to lame Christmas party.
Herc, I want your ending my man.
by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz
Jun 10th, 2007
10:54:16 PM
Seems you have more talent in writing a good ending in a few paragraphs then Chase has had in this whole series with that ass raping that just took place.
SOPRANOS MOVIE TO BE THE NEXT
by gap4119
Jun 10th, 2007
10:54:21 PM
PLUTO NASH, Costs a 100 million, makes 5 million
Look, I'm Not Even A Fan Of The Show...
by Rebeck3
Jun 10th, 2007
10:54:37 PM
Never have been. I'm Italian and I wanted all those slimy Dago fucks to die an ugly death. They were all scum. And the last episode was pretty unsatisfying, yes...but I still like that ending. Sorry, if that makes me a fool. I like the tension and I like that I got to imagine the whole family being taken out. David Chase wanted to give people like me the invitation to think that and feel justice was served, and I'm sure he also wanted to leave it open for the eventual movie. I yelled and laughed when it happened, but I kind of admire the guy, and like I say, I'm NOT a fan.
Want a good ending? Watch Six Feet Under..
by crackerfarmboy
Jun 10th, 2007
10:54:49 PM
Which is BY FAR the better show anyways. Man what a fucking waste. I'm actually ANGRY thinking about how they decided to end the show with...NOTHING!!! Retarded.
So, what...
by Mr_Deadite
Jun 10th, 2007
10:56:50 PM
no fuckin' zitti? I actually liked the ending, and like it even more the more I think about it. I doubt there will be a movie, and I hope there isn't one. Is it a nod to The Godfather where the obviously Italian guy goes into the bathroom to get the gun, is it the trucker waiting to cap him, is it the black guys? Who knows? Maybe there's no hit, but shit just keeps on rolling like it always does. The feds are gaining ground. He's found a new psychiatrist. He made Paulie the leader of that crew. What's new? It's a repeating cycle. It's not like the mob's going to end, or even in Jersey. It's just another day in the life of Tony Soprano. And yeah, there was closure. Alientoast's post summed it up pretty well.
Completely Cowardly, Yet Somehow Still Effective.
by uss cygnus
Jun 10th, 2007
10:58:13 PM
I agree that they wanted to show the world through Tony's eyes in the last scene demonstrating paranoia and fear and what it must be like to *be* him. I got somewhat of a "Godfather II" ending in that Tony made it, but at a tremendous cost, and he *still* has to look over his shoulder. HOWEVER, just CUTTING TO BLACK is as cowardly a move as I have EVER seen to end a series like this. It was cowardice disguised as avant garde ambiguity. It did end the episode, maybe the season in a reasonable manner, but to END THE SERIES like this is insane and laughable. Booo.
Oh, but I gotta add
by Mr_Deadite
Jun 10th, 2007
10:58:52 PM
I'm calling bullshit on Chase knowing how he wanted it to end. It's the same thing as "the prequels were written thirty years ago!" This show, as it was now, and as it was the first few seasons are two entirely different shows. The way Chase started it out, it would've ended with Tony's death, prosecution, flipping, whatever. But then he decided to go in an arty direction almost as if he had just started to get into it midway through the show.
I think Chase just knew he wanted Tony to live
by eppdude
Jun 10th, 2007
11:01:02 PM
and go on as he has. I DO NOT think he knew what the details would be. Although the conflict with Phil was set up in Season 5. But
Boober
by RetroActive
Jun 10th, 2007
11:01:04 PM
Abuse the medium? Who's highbrow here? What are you, the TV execution police? He looked up as the bell on the door jingled, just as it had several times before, and it cut to black as the song cut with it, "Don't stop". What's not to get? Executed perfectly. If you didn't get what you wanted out of it...so be it. Don't blame the editing of the last scene. The show didn't give you what you wanted. I understand. Everyone could have written a better ending...blah...blah...blah... .and that's why we're all here talking about it. Life goes on. Just like the people who keep explaining what happened after it faded to black. What happened was the end. Accept it, disagree with it, whatever. But don't tell me you thought your TiVo cut out. That is just moronic.
Godfather - Guy In The Bathroom
by Han Ol' Buddy
Jun 10th, 2007
11:01:22 PM
I kept looking for symbolism in this episode and, while there are some red herrings, I don't think the guy in the bathroom was going to kill Tony. In The Godfather, Michael goes and gets the gun from the bathroom because he was patted down when he first arrived. Yes, they did a variation on that scene in one of Tony's dream sequence episodes but I have to agree with another poster that the family (both literal and figurative) will stay together. AJ will grow up to be Tony and Meadow will grow up to be Carmella. They've been repeating dialogue from episodes/seasons past and if tonight's quote from AJ "Again with all the drama!" didn't drive that home, I don't know what does. Maybe AJ doesn't become the heir apparent mob boss but he'll be Tony, always on that edge of holding it together. Anyways, after further reflection, I'm satisfied by the ending. At least it didn't end with Tony waking up next to Julia Roberts and being gay or in the mind of a autistic kid and a snowglobe or Big Pussy walking out of a shower and it all being a dream.
RE: Deadite
by vieri32
Jun 10th, 2007
11:01:40 PM
The show was about Tony Soprano. We wanted closure on him. No kidding there will always be a mob and life goes . WE dont care about the mob we care about Tony and want to see how it all ends for him. Chase didnt show this therefore it sucked.
No movie. Get that out of your heads. No movie.
by Bronx Cheer
Jun 10th, 2007
11:01:55 PM
No movie. There will be a Saturday morning "Soprano Babies" cartoon before Chase gets them together to make a movie. Trust me on this one.
No, SK229
by Rebeck3
Jun 10th, 2007
11:02:17 PM
No, the worst thing you can do isn't be pretentious - the worst thing you can do is turn a Sopranos talkback into a lameass defense for the most idiotic corrupt chimpanzee of a fucking president in the nation's history. Get the fuck outta' here you neo-con troll.
Also
by Han Ol' Buddy
Jun 10th, 2007
11:04:02 PM
Who is left that would want to kill Tony anyways? The only guy who was unaccounted for is supposedly going to testify. And, honestly, I couldn't even remember who he was! Phil's crew was finished with him and, in essence, sold him out. Tony's only worries should be from the government but, with the FBI working on terrorism so much, I'm sure that the mafia takes a back seat to all of that...
Please, no movie
by memento108
Jun 10th, 2007
11:04:43 PM
I REALLY don't want a movie. I think it ended perfectly.
pop goes the Phil
by angry kitty
Jun 10th, 2007
11:05:41 PM
I'm confused- so who actually whacked Phil, Tony's crew or Phil's own?
Soprano Babies
by Bronx Cheer
Jun 10th, 2007
11:07:22 PM
Yes, mom and dad, let your kids wake up safe and sound knowing the Family will be watching over them...on Saturdays at 9 on CBS! SOPRANO BABIES is brought to you by the team behind RUGRATS and David Chase.
sad...but the Sopranos babies thing...
by eppdude
Jun 10th, 2007
11:08:52 PM
that's what that new Comedy Central show Lil Bush IS. sad...so sad.
Great job SK229
by Boober
Jun 10th, 2007
11:09:22 PM
Now if only Chase could have executed the last 4 seconds with a clarity to match your post...I wouldn't have wondered about the cable going out.
And here it is. Most hated episode ever. Read
by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz
Jun 10th, 2007
11:09:25 PM
Check out this story
http://tinyurl.com/2upb95
Now check out what the critics are saying. Big surprise. Fuck the critics.
http://tinyurl.com/2t6r6c
Go Back And Watch It Again...
by Rebeck3
Jun 10th, 2007
11:09:50 PM
Tony was NOT paranoid. We were! The audience brought the paranoia, and I DO think it was a hit. But Tony was content, the family together, good onion rings, a shitty song from his youth. AND BAM! Lights out motherfucker.
And after further thought,
by Chest_Rockwell
Jun 10th, 2007
11:10:08 PM
I think I'll just send HBO a little note with a copy of cancellation order from teh cable company. I've been an HBO subscriber for over 10 years, and before that, we had it for probably 15 more from my parents house. I think Band of Brothers is one of the greatest things ever shown on tv. But, this latest debacle, of their "signature" show, along with no more Rome, no more Deadwood, and constantly giving the wire short shrift, enough is enough. I like big love and entourage, but you know what? I can watch all of those on torrents just a day or two after they come out. So there, HBO, i'll be watching your stuff, and NOT giving YOU any payoff. See how you like that for a while, considering you seem to take pride in doing that to your subscribers.
Crap ending.
by riskebiz
Jun 10th, 2007
11:11:20 PM
I think it wannabe avant-garde ending to cut to black and "imagine" what happens next. Does Meadow sit down next to Tony and the guy in the bathroom comes out shooting and takes out Meadow instead of Tony? Or Does nothing happen at all? Flashing to all the dinner patrons and having no pay-off.... what a stupid way to end the show. Well, if he ever wants a Sopranos movie, I guess he kept his options open.
Cancel your HBO.
by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz
Jun 10th, 2007
11:11:34 PM
I know I am. Fuck HBO. Let the backlash begin. Bada Bing.
I WILL cancel HBO tomorrow.
by eppdude
Jun 10th, 2007
11:11:51 PM
just to say FUCK YOU for John From Cinn. join me, wont you all?
Best ending
by iwontwin
Jun 10th, 2007
11:12:40 PM
this show was never the macho porn that it appeared to be for most. In the end, it was all about the struggle to keep a stable family life, while trying to balance a morally bankrupt means of susistence. In the end, David Chase was telling us, Tony's life will always teeter on the edge of destruction, and question whether or not all his sacrifices were worth the cost. He very well could have gotten clipped, or simply had dinner with his family. Tony walks on the edge, and his family walks with him, whether they realize it or not.
LOL! Good Lord,
by buffywrestling
Jun 10th, 2007
11:12:51 PM
and here I thought that the series ender for Angel was ambivelant! So the speculation begins; it's like a "Choose Your Own Adventure" novel. Was it brillant or was it just lazy? Did Chase have a plan or did he write himself into a corner? Fuck me if I know. L
Wow, SK229
by tk 421
Jun 10th, 2007
11:13:01 PM
Did you come up with all those big thoughts by yourself? That was by far the most incoherent trite bullshit that I've ever read. Thanks for the laugh.
I'm already really sad it ended, but if Tony had died..
by Cletus Van Damme
Jun 10th, 2007
11:14:13 PM
...I'd feel even worse. I'm glad it ended this way. And there was subtle tension throughout...the hallway camera monitors in Tony's office, etc. I just wish Finn would've gotten the buttrape.
SK229
by RetroActive
Jun 10th, 2007
11:15:09 PM
"Coppola said in Hearts of Darkness - 'the worst thing you can do is be pretentious.' Made in America was the most pretentious piece of shit I've ever seen in my entire life."........................ ............Um. Did you see Godfather III? Pretty pretentious. The irony here is palpable. And I don't recall David Chase's offspring appearing in a poorly acted principle role in this finale, either. Thanks for the diatribe though. Sleepy time now. G'night all.
Oh, and Phil's next move after killing Tony...
by Cletus Van Damme
Jun 10th, 2007
11:15:11 PM
...would've been the fat kid from Bad Santa. We were *this* close to being rid of him.
I wonder
by Shakes
Jun 10th, 2007
11:15:15 PM
How funny would it be if we find out tomorrow that HBO's signal did in fact go out right at that moment. I'm not saying I believe that, but how funny would that be if we wake up tomorrow and find out all these "that was brilliant" posts were just praising a signal interruption.
This finale instantly gave me a bad opinion of John Fro
by B Arthur
Jun 10th, 2007
11:15:18 PM
I started to watch it, confused and pissed about the finale thinking "Is this show going to about nothing as well?" Then after the John From Cincinnati premiere I have pretty much figured that yes, it will be about nothing.
i got flagged for life from the AICN chat ....
by TheUltraHumanite
Jun 10th, 2007
11:15:22 PM
for just trying to privatly solicit a chat on this episode, it seems like it would be something that people would want to talk about, i didnt drop any spoilers, you guys know this Todd fella, well, hes a real reactionary........ im glad alot of people are on board with this ending, it allows you to have your cake and eat it too, i mean, tony could die in 20 seconds, or end up doing 20 years, however you want to look at it, it doesnt matter, what does matter is that the point is, Tony will never be safe or secure, untill he dies, but did anyone really want to see Tony dead?
Empty theories
by IrishJazz
Jun 10th, 2007
11:16:05 PM
All of the elements that could have made a clear ending were in place. The ambiguity was intentional. Trying to read something into the "clues" is a waste of time. The show ended in the air from an action standpoint, and with some closure from a Soprano family standpoint. It was a perfect moment for everything to end, and it did. Arguing about what happened after the screen went black is like worrying about what kind of kids Han Solo and Princess Leia would have had. Oh, wait a minute, that's the reason this website exists. Sorry. Argue on.
Okay, Retro, call me a Moron
by Boober
Jun 10th, 2007
11:16:30 PM
for having the possibility enter my mind that something went technically wrong with my cable. I guess we are legion, then. Guess what, genius, have the last second be the camera as if we are viewing through Tony's eyes, watching Meadow come through the door or even START to look up from his menu and then suddenly cut to black. Wow, a moron just trumped Chase and eliminated the cable malfunction possibility. Bad storytelling is bad storytelling.
Just three words
by Purgatori
Jun 10th, 2007
11:18:13 PM
This fucking sucked. And a few more words... Blow me Chase. This was shit, and you owe me my time back. What fucking crap..
Maybe there's symbolism in the episode number (#86)
by Cletus Van Damme
Jun 10th, 2007
11:19:09 PM
Maybe Tony does get 86'ed.
Okay...
by Rebeck3
Jun 10th, 2007
11:21:27 PM
I don't know why I'm defending this, but if Chase hadn't made the cut so sudden and seemingly random it wouldn't have had the shock factor and left us all hanging. That's actually good storytelling in a way and good editing. But what do I know? I just write this shit for a living.
Did anyone see the cameo by Grando Calrissian?
by My Ass Smells
Jun 10th, 2007
11:21:29 PM
he had a black lightsaber.
John from Cincinnati
by gap4119
Jun 10th, 2007
11:24:37 PM
was so bad I think Milch was pissed at HBO for cancelling Deadwood----gonna cancel HBO tommorow. Cant see paying for 22 minutes of Entourage a week when dvd be out in the fall
Rebeck,
by Boober
Jun 10th, 2007
11:25:19 PM
if that sudden fade to black was meant to totally take me out of the moment and wonder if my cable went screwy, then BEST WRITING EVAH. It wasn't the cut to black that was flawed, it was the second before where they should have shown the camera via Tony's viewpoint and they didn't.
Ambiguity was intentional. HUH???
by B Arthur
Jun 10th, 2007
11:25:28 PM
Well if the ambiguity was intentional, then I really bet you loved seasons 4,5 and 6. The people who originally watched this show and fell in love with it did so because of clever forshadowing that had payoffs, if you were smart enough to pay attention. We fell in love with it because there was clear direction. This finale was weak and not memorable at all. Gee, maybe thats reflected in the fact that the show that basically invented the terms "Water cooler show" no longer is the topic of thirsty workers. Why? It has gone downhill. I have said nothing critical of the show until now. I was waiting for sort of payoff, and I'm not even talking about violence. The only storyline that had a hint of closure was Juniors, and that was it. The rest of the time we had shit smeared in our eyes.
IT WAS PERFECT. DON'T BE A MORON.
by Bonnnnnnerman
Jun 10th, 2007
11:25:53 PM
The entire series was about Tony's life. It ends when his life ends, abrupt, with no warning, he doesn't even know it. Just like he told Bobby in the boat. Other people on this board have already pointed it out. And it wasn't a massacre; it was just Tony that gets it, just like Phil. Tony died with his family watching. Perfect ending, and it still leaves you all talking about it.
No there is no symbolism. It was just utter garbage.
by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz
Jun 10th, 2007
11:26:34 PM
Through and through it was a bad bad episode. One of the worst. The worst. I've never been so disappointed in an ending in my life. I mean this makes George Lucas look like a saint now for his work on the prequels. I am not giving Lucas a pass but you know what I mean. At least there was conclusion to the story arc in Star Wars even if some of us hated what that story arc was he did give us closure on Vader. Chase on the other hand single handed brought down a network tonight. Hurray! Congratulation's HBO on fucking over your subscribers.
Oh...and for all you guys
by Purgatori
Jun 10th, 2007
11:27:33 PM
trying to see the "brillant artistry" in this, you are fools. This was stupid. This was called writing yourself in a corner where you couldn't pull yourself out of. They fucked around so long in the season with bullshit that they had to tag on extra episodes and they still fucked around. The Sopranos and company are all killers and thugs. For those who are trying to pull the "it's more about family" BS, well it's about family and FAMILY. It covers both worlds. And Meadow and Carm trying to act all high and mighty that they don't get their fucking money from killers and thugs makes me sick. "I hate how Italians are treated" YOUR DADS A MOB BOSS! ARGH. STUPID WRITING. This was a cop out and not satisfying in any way. I hope the hacks responsible never work again...but I'm sure they will. Because people are afraid to critique them and call them on their bullshit. Oh and what was all the shit with the cat??
Boober
by RetroActive
Jun 10th, 2007
11:28:01 PM
You're right. Bad storytelling is bad storytelling. That's why I'm glad Chase wrote this episode and you didn't. Now, I'm off to bed snickering over the fact that the person trying to squelch my argument is named, "Boober". Cut to black was perfectly executed. Seeing Meadow would have defeated the purpose of the cut. Silly to think otherwise. You are legion my friend, on a ship of fools. To paraphrase Captain Kirk in the Wrath of Khan...."Boober, I'm laughing at the superior intellect." Nighty nite!
Boober
by Rebeck3
Jun 10th, 2007
11:28:55 PM
Did it shock you? Did you sit there with your jaw dropped? Did you want one...more...frame of information? Mission accomplished.
John from Cincinatti
by B Arthur
Jun 10th, 2007
11:29:27 PM
I dont know, the first episode was ok. I was completely shocked by the shittiness of the finale... But I just read a review from someone who has seen 3 of the first episodes and I really dont think I can handle watching another show about nothing, where their is never any resolution ever.
We're still talking about Sopranos?
by Magnum Opus
Jun 10th, 2007
11:29:28 PM
I guess it will take a week or so before it fades into oblivion then.
apparently i was wrong....
by TheUltraHumanite
Jun 10th, 2007
11:30:04 PM
not everybody is on board... come on guys.... the song beneath dont stop believing on the jukebox was "any way you want it"... we get to have our cake and eat it too... right?
When did this show "Jump The Shark" ???
by B Arthur
Jun 10th, 2007
11:30:52 PM
I say, it for sure jumped the shark when Carmella got back with Tony. But it may have jumped the shark when Ralph Cifaretto became a major character.
HA! Great post Cletus!
by eppdude
Jun 10th, 2007
11:31:50 PM
thats too funny.
this is why i need real time chat... FUCK YOU TODD
by TheUltraHumanite
Jun 10th, 2007
11:36:21 PM
man, i didnt drop no spoilers, i play by the rules, and here i am, my girlfriend hates this show, and my parents are dead!!!!! GIVE ME BACK MY PRIVLEDGES... THIS IS UNFAIR.... isnt that what this fucking site is here for, to talk about this shit, man FUCK YOU GUYS at AIC, i witness an awesome event in geek history, and i cant even talk about it on this site, and they say this sites sold out... couldn't be.... FUCK, im turning into TODD, jaded and alone
Nighty nite, to you to
by Boober
Jun 10th, 2007
11:36:41 PM
The writing was decent. I disagree on the execution. Seeing meadow or having it cut just short (like starting to look up from a Menu) would have eliminated the malfunction possibility for me. I had the reaction I had. I'm not trying to squelch anything. In keeping with the culture of the TB, you would understand that your knock on my name just backfired. The pretentious condescension is noted and helps you to reaffirm your position. I get it. You know, it's funny how at the end of Heart of Darkness when the phrase "The Horror, The Horror" is uttered, I never wonder whether or not the last lines were ommited due to a typing error...
NO REBECK....
by Boober
Jun 10th, 2007
11:38:29 PM
I WAS PISSED BECAUSE I DID NOT KNOW IF THAT IS WHAT HE INTENDED OR IF MY CABLE WENT OUT. MISSION CONFUSION ACCOMPLISHED - IMMERSION REMOVED AND MOMENT BETRAYED DUE TO MUDDY EXECUTION.
seriously
by TheUltraHumanite
Jun 10th, 2007
11:39:17 PM
the possibilities, just plug in whatever ending you want, i bet you can make it work, use your fuckign imaginations, you sorry sacks
Love it or hate it...
by Lucasblows
Jun 10th, 2007
11:47:00 PM
...Chase ended it the way he wanted and envisioned. And as for those of you calling him a hack, if he is then he's a working hack, and just what are your writing credentials? Anyone here have a top ten all-time TV drama on your IMDB page?
The Crybabies...
by Damer1
Jun 10th, 2007
11:47:07 PM
need to get their own shows and end them "perfectly." Congrats to Chase for a great run.
Tony is actually a cylon!
by Darth_Gonz
Jun 10th, 2007
11:50:22 PM
SWERVE, MOTHERFUCKERS! SWERVE!
Tony was killed -- look at a reoccuring line...
by ken5121
Jun 10th, 2007
11:53:57 PM
How many times has this concept been mentioned in an episode of the show (especially lately): When you get whacked, you don't hear the bullet. It's just lights out. They kept referring to that concept all season, they set up an obvious hit, the whole family is there... and then... nothing. Cause he died. I don't like it. But I bet that's the point of it.
Brilliant, pretentious?
by iwontwin
Jun 10th, 2007
11:54:21 PM
Wow, that end scene was so tense! I loved it so much, we will never know!!!!
water cooler show
by Bouncy X
Jun 10th, 2007
11:56:15 PM
someone mentioned something like this show more or less invented that term? ummm thats a term thats been used for many shows over the last 15 to 20yrs if not longer. lol
FUCK THAT.. we got the SHAFT..
by Baron Karza
Jun 10th, 2007
11:57:23 PM
I didnt NEED to see more KILLIN' I just wanted MORE CON-CLU-SION. I really hope there is a PLAN past this.. let me guess, directed by Micheal Imperioli?
pretentious? You betcha iwontwin.
by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz
Jun 11th, 2007
12:02:32 AM
It was a bitch slap from Chase. If I want pretentious I watch a Vicent Gallo film, Brown Bunny. But when I watch The Sopranos I want closure. With all the time that was vested in this series this has to be one of the worst things a network and writer could have done. They alienated a majority of their fan base by trying to pull a hipster move with this ending. It's selfish.
just like MYSTIC RIVER
by iwontwin
Jun 11th, 2007
12:03:26 AM
Will Kevin Bacon get Sean Penn? We'll never know!
ok watched it a second time Tony got whacked
by angry kitty
Jun 11th, 2007
12:06:28 AM
the way he looks up with that "doh" expression, right before it goes black. Yeah, I think it was supposed to be set up from Sopranos Home Movies episode- when it happens, you don't expect it, you don't hear it, it just happens. Screen goes black. yeah, I think that's what they intended. But what the hell do I know- for all I know it could just be the movie setup, or Paulie and his Cat the series.
Jesus, Boober
by Rebeck3
Jun 11th, 2007
12:06:37 AM
Relax, dude. Take your finger off the cap button. Damn. I know they say it's HBO not TV, but it's really just TV. Not worth popping a blood vessel over it.
Fucking with fans
by Incompetent Ninja
Jun 11th, 2007
12:09:39 AM
Show runners always do this with projects that run too long. The end up hating their own creation and the rabid fans so they take a final shit on them before laughing their way to the bank. At least the Shield is still good (knock on wood).
Point taken, Rebeck.
by Boober
Jun 11th, 2007
12:10:15 AM
Consider my responses as part theatrical. When running with the wolves here on the ole' TB, you have to act the part or get eaten. Fear not, it is but a role I play and no meds are needed ;).
Ambivalence:
by buffywrestling
Jun 11th, 2007
12:12:36 AM
the state of feeling two conflicting emotions at the same time. I think that pretty much sums it up for me. I thought the writing for this ep was sub-par and directionless but the execution of the film making - framing, art direction, editing and score - was pretty wonderful.
The guy who plays Silvio said
by slder78
Jun 11th, 2007
12:13:19 AM
that the finale was going to be contraversial. He hit it right on. Look at this board. "It's awesome!" "It's bullshit!" I think it;s safe to conclude that at the very least Tony will not survive as is. Other than the "shifty eyes" guy in the bathroom, there's the gangbangers that walked in and then the coup de grace impending federal indictment. So I think one way or another Tony's fucked.

My final vote: It was a memborable finale.

Best Ending Ever
by emvan
Jun 11th, 2007
12:15:04 AM
The more I think about it, the more I like it. ITA with the many talkbackers who have parsed the perfectly consistent explanation--we cut to black because Tony has been killed, in front of his family, in retribution for Phil (and probably, I would add, by someone in NYC loyal to Phil that Tony hadn't factored in). We've had an entire scene that has been shot and edited to make us feel Tony's typical and warranted paranoia (even if, in fact, he himself is not being paranoid in this particular scene), and it ends with a shot that makes us feel his own utter bafflement in the split second between the bullet entering his brain and the cessation of consciousness.

I mean, come on, TBers -- if someone unexpectedly shot you in the head, what's your last thought? "Ooh, nice closure?" Or "WTF?????"
Hold on to the feel-ay-iee-an
by down75
Jun 11th, 2007
12:16:25 AM
So even if I say I got it and yeah I really think it was brilliant... A little part of me is being ignorant and selfish thinking that was lazy writing. That floating guy on this new show is like the kiss of death for series television.
Countdown to Sopranos movie starts now, I suppose.
by HappyHamster
Jun 11th, 2007
12:19:02 AM
So let's speculate on the plot of "The Sopranos:The Motion Picture". Any guesses?
did my cable go on the fritz?
by Zardoz
Jun 11th, 2007
12:20:11 AM
'cause I thought I lost the reception at the worst time EVER! But no, it was just an "artsy-fartsy" ending for the show. Did Tony get whacked? I would have to say he did get killed: that guy at the counter that walked in before AJ was eye-balling T like crazy. I bet when he came out of the john, he wasn't "holding his dick in his hand". If so, then Meadow, et al probably saw T get shot to death right in front of them. Brutal! As I'm sitting here writing this, I'm realizing just how appropriate that ending was. Face it, nothing was going to satisfy everyone, and even if we did see Tony get killed in full-color, well, would that necessarily make it better? It was a good way to go out: enjoying a final peaceful moment with The Soprano Family, the last "good time", before everything went to complete shit. Well, it was a brilliant series and I am sad to see it end. But of course, all good things must pass... (now get off your lazy ass, HBO, and bring back Deadwood, fast!)
I've got it Yackbacker!
by Boober
Jun 11th, 2007
12:22:19 AM
Chase = Tony Paulie = The Loyal, abused fans The cat = unresolved storylines, plots, Chase's writing. When you apply this to the dialog, it makes sense! P.S. Who is Ramses?
I guess I was the only one with working cable
by ChickenGeorgeVII
Jun 11th, 2007
12:24:50 AM
CUZ I SAW ONE FUCK OF AN ENDING!!!! GOD DAMN!!! THAT WAS THE MOST VIOLENT FUCKING BLOW OUT OF AN ENDING I HAVE EVER SEEN IN MY ENTIRE LIFE!!! FAR MORE VIOLENT THAN A SNUFF FILM...FAR MORE PERVERSE THAN BEASTY PORN...THAT WAS A FUCKING BLOODBATH AND A HALF!!!! AND SWEET JESUS...WHO KNEW MEADOW HAD THAT IN HER?!?!?!?!? MAN...I GOT A BIGGER STIFFY FOR HER NOW....ESPECIALLY THE WAY SHE WENT AFTER THAT THIRD GUY'S TAINT LIKE THAT!!!!! WHOA DID HE BLEED LIKE A STUCK PIG OR WHAT???? AND OF COURSE....WHO CAN FORGET THAT FINAL LINE!!!! "Okay, A.J....you are ready to join the Army."....TOTALLY WORKED AFTER WHAT HE DID TO THAT KID WITH THE SUNDAE!!! TALK ABOUT COLD - BOTH FIGURATIVELY AND LITERALLY!!!! THERE IS NO FUCKING WAY THAT THE F.C.C. IS GONNA LET THAT EVER BE SEEN AGAIN!!!! NOT EVEN ON HBO OR THE DVD RELEASES!!!! BUT I GOTTA SEE IT...AND MY LIFE WILL NEVER BE THE SAME!!!!...And thus, even better that booze and sex! - - - George, The 7th Chicken!!!!
"Made in America" Get it?
by B Arthur
Jun 11th, 2007
12:26:53 AM
Chase is saying something profound here. Every buy a Chevrolet? Ever buy a Ford? See, he made this episode crap on purpose. He is trying to tell us to make better products. What a genius!
Meadow is the Omega.
by bobbyjoe
Jun 11th, 2007
12:28:13 AM
Actually, it turns out Meadow has inherited Sofie's powers from "Carnivale." She fulfills Brother Justin's apocalyptic designs at the very moment she enters the door to the restaurant. When the screen goes black, it's the end of the world--the end of everything-- not just Tony getting whacked. Everyone in existence gets whacked, thus simultaneously providing complete closure for both "The Sopranos" and "Carnivale." The End.
End
by VibroCount
Jun 11th, 2007
12:30:14 AM
It ended. I thought it was good. Every season has ended on family, as did this. Well done. Thanks for playing guess the spoilers! FrancisBegbie nailed the episode, including the ending, which even he didn't believe.
Tony is dead.
by Lucasblows
Jun 11th, 2007
12:30:57 AM
Shot in the back of the head while distracted by Meadow. Just like Phil being distracted by his family and getting it in the head. Neither of the saw it coming.
Frankly
by B Arthur
Jun 11th, 2007
12:32:31 AM
Most people are saying it was a crap end to what was once a great series. The people saying this ending was 'realistic' are idiots. Sorry, but but ending a show about a guy who murders his nephew after a car wreck, and all the other horrible shit Tony has done - ending it this way is far from realistic.
gimmick television, pure and simple
by ArcadianDS
Jun 11th, 2007
12:32:39 AM
When a guy like Chase pulls a stunt like this, you dont fawn like little school girls and say things like "oh by golly he's got the upper hand on us h'yuck h'yuck h'yuck."

no - you say, "wow what a sell-out. Instead of actually giving us a conclusion, he pulls a 'well, just in case we get an offer for more money, lets not do something we can't undo." - he wrote a cliffhanger to finish the series. You dont applaud that. You dont praise that. You call it what it is: a cheap stunt.

Last Episode of Sopranos = Twin Peaks Episode 29
by recky
Jun 11th, 2007
12:33:12 AM
I haven't been this pleased since Twin Peaks Episode 29. Pure brilliance.
You know, I liked it
by MGTHEDJ
Jun 11th, 2007
12:52:20 AM
The ending works on multiple levels. The cut to black makes the audience think the signal malfuntioned, the tension of the scene itself shows Tony's paranoia. The guy at the counter and the one in the restroom are mafia. The young couple, the trucker, and the 2 black guys are FBI. Both sides closing in. Does Tony die, or does the FBI grab him? The answer is the flip side of the 45 Tony was playing: "Any Way You Want It." Chase is gonna catch hell for this. Oh, the episode's title, "Made In America", was one possible title for the series many years ago.-----later-----m
Train wreck
by 2Utah2
Jun 11th, 2007
12:53:19 AM
I should have known. Why did I get all pumped for this episode for something unexpected/shocking/interestin g to happen? David Chase and his artistic ego just went overboard and just took the show to the gutter in its final episode. Anyone who compares this to the Lynch'a last Twin Peaks is completely retarded. In that episode (one of the best hrs of tv of all time) it ends with a cliffhanger but at least we got an hour of completely madness. I am just angry right now- 100% at Chase.
So a messy, ambiguous and sometimes brilliant show...
by Batutta
Jun 11th, 2007
12:58:07 AM
...get a messy, ambiguous and sometimes brilliant finale. Anyone who is surprised it ended this way never really watched the show that closely. I'm not saying I like this ending, but I expected something like it.
Fft.
by kintar0
Jun 11th, 2007
12:59:47 AM
What bullshit. Sopranos has sucked most of the time since after season 3 anyway.
I just dont buy
by Your Moms Box
Jun 11th, 2007
01:04:24 AM
That when David Chase has said in interviews that he always has known where he wanted the series to end up since its conception, that this was the ending he had in mind. Am I really expected to believe that when this show started, Mr. Chase planned on ending the series with Meadow unable to parallel park her car, and the rest of the family pick at onion rings at some dive diner???
Further proof...
by Darth Thoth
Jun 11th, 2007
01:06:07 AM
Oz was the best show in HBO history! It never would've gone out like that!! Oz always delivered with a bang! But that aside, at first I was disappointed with the Sopranos ending but now having time to reflect and hear other's interpretations of it I think it was in the words of my mother- a "satisfying" ending. There was resolution. And it stayed true to many of the show's main themes. My heart was racing at the end and while I would've loved seeing Tony get wacked- A) maybe he did (the whole fade to black thing... which if true was brilliant) or B) that scene in a nutshell showed the craziness of his life. Always living on edge and trying to balance as a previous talkbacker put it- both families. Bottom line- I will have to watch it again and let it sink in before I put forth my final verdict. But still, Oz was my show baby! ;)
Oh yeah..
by Purgatori
Jun 11th, 2007
01:09:51 AM
I forgot... Death by Journey. Wow.. That's just how I want to go. Fuck you Chase.
Did I miss something?
by ripper t. jones
Jun 11th, 2007
01:11:49 AM
The opening shot of T looking as if dead, T being chauffered in the "ice" truck, "You don't see it comming",...how do you not say Tony's not dead? My only question is was it just Tony or did the whole fam get it?
Twin Peaks wasn't a cliffhanger...
by Zardoz
Jun 11th, 2007
01:13:46 AM
The good guys lost. Evil won. End of story. What were you expecting from David Lynch?
The episode stops abruptly.
by Lucasblows
Jun 11th, 2007
01:16:51 AM
As does the life of this mobster.
Nope, it just doesnt work
by B Arthur
Jun 11th, 2007
01:18:16 AM
Saying Chase is a genius by showing how stressed out and paranoid Tonys life is by doing the final scene that way... Hello??? This has been an ongoing theme since day one!!! Face it, you've just had crap smeared in your face. This was not a fitting end to this show, not in the slightest. This is not 'artsy' either. He ended the show with a 'wink wink' which is probably the most cliche ending you can come up with. It's just plain lazy as well. Very disappointing.
pretentious is relative
by iwontwin
Jun 11th, 2007
01:20:30 AM
In my mind, The Sopranos is one of the best shows ever, and a conventional wrapping up of the series would have been some serious bullshit. David Chase is one of the best writers of the tv narrative, and his stature, the stature of the TV show deserves a great ending like this...closure is for cartoons.
to Zardoz
by ecto-cooler
Jun 11th, 2007
01:22:50 AM
Evil always wins in America. What tobacco exec ever got the death penalty for covering up evidence? What Firestone employee was hung after their faulty tires killed? In America you will get more time served for stealing money than taking a life.
Don't stop believn'...
by WONKABAR
Jun 11th, 2007
01:35:26 AM
street-lights...people. That shit ruled. Best. Ending. Ever.
Beautiful
by topaz4206
Jun 11th, 2007
01:36:48 AM
This couldn't have ended any better for me. Such an iconic shot, one of my favorite families of all time... happy, and together. What happens later doesn't matter. In that moment, it's the happiest ending that could be.
Greatest ending to a show.... ever
by Razorback
Jun 11th, 2007
01:37:06 AM
Brilliant.
I'm really not seeing
by Defrost
Jun 11th, 2007
01:37:55 AM
how anybody got the the Sopranos were whacked at the end. The way I took it Meadow walked in and they all ate onion rings.
This whole "Tony's Dead" angle
by memento108
Jun 11th, 2007
01:42:00 AM
Some of you guys need to explain this to me like i'm a 4 year-old, because I just don't see it.
No whacking at the end
by Northridge
Jun 11th, 2007
01:43:01 AM
It just felt... wrong.
my thoughts, from the H-E talkback thread
by The Real MiraJeff
Jun 11th, 2007
01:44:30 AM
I thought it was pretty brilliant. What a horrible way to have to go through life, looking over your shoulder like that. There was definitely something lacking though. It wasn't as emotionally profound as I expected it to be. Its aim was to depict a pattern. From Junior to Tony to A.J., hence the shot of A.J. coming down the stairs wearing a bathrobe. I understand the frustration some fans feel after waiting years for an epic sense of closure, but I feel like it was a perfectly fitting end to what is perhaps the finest one-hour television show ever produced. Funny how Judd Apatow is making a killing at the box office and then the most anticipated program in the history of the medium that turned its back on him goes ahead and basically cribs a page from The Cable Guy, which was bad the first time I saw it but has since grown on me over the course of many repeat viewings. Oh and Jeff, thanks for pointing out the song below Don't Stop Believin', which has now been permanently owned by The Sopranos. Very clever little joke there, Mr. Chase. Tonight has witnessed the end of an era. The Sopranos was the greatest and it will be sorely, sorely missed. Oh, and Nikki Finke, whose blog is always a great read, is incredibly out of line with the fury of her reaction. She's predicting mass-cancellations for subscriptions, and basically calling for Chase's head. While I freely admit that there was a weird edit or two, how can you sound off like that to a guy who just birthed what is unarguably at least one of the five greatest television shows ever made. I mean, how ungrateful can you get? She sounds as if she was personally owed a satisfying ending, like anyone who was satisfied by the finale needs a labotomy, I mean, relax. So The Sopranos finale didn't live up to your expectations? Big deal! Who cares? Is that why you watch a show for 7 years, because you know the last episode will be just the way you want it? What else was Chase supposed to do? I think it's kind of hypocritical for a journalist like Nikki to basically call out guys like Eli Roth one minute, and then call for blood the next minute and write about how let down they are when there isn't enough of it. Personally I thought the last scene was absolutely heart-stopping. It was so tense it was almost painful. There were so many what if's, it was driving me crazy, and then to see them sit down together as a family, happy, or at least pretending to be, after all that shit, it says a lot about the Soprano family. How they're survivors. They were eating a new restaurant too, so it was like new ground for them. A fresh start, or as fresh as a clan like theirs could get. With Phil gone, no one in NY has the balls to take Tony out. And as tonight reinforced, the only guy with the balls to meet Tony (who has Paulie back-up) all alone is Agent Dwight. So I think it's safe to assume that he lives and everyone continues on their current trajectories. I think A.J., with the help of a therapist, will be able to right his life, and if he's as smart as he thinks he is, he might be able to avoid becoming just like his father. Meadow will become the pride of the Soprano family, example A in Tony and Carm's defense that they're good parents. Carm is destined to grow old and continue to look the other way, so long as tragedy never personally touches her. She's a supporter, a loyal wife who knows better than to break-up her family, or leave The Family. And Tony? Who knows? How will this affect him long term? Will he eventually mellow out and learn to appreciate the time he has with his friends and family, or will he continue to be a manipulative, morally bankrupt asshole, a guy who says he looks out for his family but feels relief when his his nephew dies and can never resist the opportunity to pick on his son or project his own issues onto other people's tragedy in the vain hope of winning their sympathies. In Tony's world, everything revolves around him and how deserving he is of other people's pity. Tony is such a multi-faceted character with so many intricate layers, it has been a joy to watch Gandolfini create this stunning portrayal of a Mafia boss. When people talk about great performances like Brando in the Godfather or De Niro in Raging Bull, surely Gandolfini's name belongs in the conversation. The stars aligned for that actor and that character, not to mention David Chase. For those of you who go to bed tonight dreaming of a Sopranos movie, I wouldn't get your hopes up. Their story has ended, however abruptly, after what has been the best nine episodes of the series' fanastic six-season run. I feel privileged to have been a part of from the beginning. Thank you Chase, Gandolfini, and everyone else who had a hand in bringing us the Sopranos and welcoming us to The Family on Sunday nights. Can you even imagined how this show might've turned out if Anthony LaPaglia had been cast instead. Talk about a cultural injustice... Now, the explanation about Chase having the ending planned and how it's all about a season 1 convo between Tony and Bobby about how you'd never even know when you died, life would just go back, is certainly credible. But it almost seems too easy. I feel like if Chase was going to kill off Tony, he would've done so onscreen, not left it up to our imaginations. Of course, I think Tony will one day succumb to death at the hand of some anxious and stupid up-and-comer. Or he could just be at the wrong place at the wrong time. I doubt he'd slip into old age as quietly as Junior. But do I think The Bathroom Guy took a piss, washed his hands, and then came out firing at Tony in front of his family, no? Who ordered it, unless it was the old hit Phil put out on him that his little henchman said they'd nip in the bud. Speaking of, does that Phil's right=hand man take over that NY crew? Or would it be Carmine, who would've taken it over if he wasn't afraid of starting a war with Phil, so he just stepped aside and said he wanted no part of it. I mean, henchman isn't fit to be the head of a family. And also, what do you think happened to the two babies? Looked to me like they were going to roll into traffic and possibly die. Did they get the door of the minivan open? It all happened so fast and I was on Nyquil so...
Chase is a prick
by groovius1
Jun 11th, 2007
01:46:27 AM
I've always loved David Chase. The Rockford Files was one of my favorites as a kid. The way he treated his audience like shit in that last scene leaves a really bad taste in my mouth. The "everything stays the same," or "the wicked are not punished" or whatever bullshit lesson he was trying to impart is not my beef. I expected some kind of ending like this, but to play with the audience like he did, danger around every corner, Meadow parking like 6 times, showed total contempt for his audience. Not very classy.
Maybe not a satisfying ending, but certainly poignant!
by goonie
Jun 11th, 2007
01:46:47 AM
By ending the series this way, David chase has reinforced his statement that Mob life is not glamerous or worthwile. After everything, (a) Tony's best friend (Sil) is in a coma, (b) Tony is facing indictment, (c) one of his closest allies is a rat, (d) his son is completely depndent on him, and (e) though Uncle Junior, Tony sees that there is not a bright future for a mob boss. AND TO CAO IT OFF, the epsidoe ended with the most tense 5 minutes of the entire series-- which all goes to show that Tony will live the rest of his life looking over his shoulder, in constant danger. I won't call this a satisfying ending, but Chase really stuck to his guns and made a point. Bravo Sopranos!
Fixed Spelling mistakes-- GREAT ENDING!
by goonie
Jun 11th, 2007
01:52:04 AM
By ending the series this way, David chase has reinforced his statement that Mob life is not glamerous or worthwile. After everything, (a) Tony's best friend (Sil) is in a coma, (b) Tony is facing indictment, (c) one of his closest allies is a rat, (d) his son is completely dependent on him, and (e) through Uncle Junior,who has lost his memory and lives alone in a mental hospital, Tony sees that there is not a bright future for a mob boss. AND TO CAP IT OFF, the episode ended with the most tense 5 minutes of the entire series-- which all goes to show that Tony will live the rest of his life looking over his shoulder, in constant danger. I won't call this a satisfying ending, but Chase really stuck to his guns and made a point. Bravo Sopranos!
The audience was the only one whacked
by Billy Lo
Jun 11th, 2007
01:59:57 AM
HBGo fuck yourself. Cancelling. Mirajeff, come on. No offense, but you can't beleive the horseshit you're typing. Cop out. Cowardly. Insulting.
THE BELL TOLLS, TONY WAS WHACKED!
by HowieMandela
Jun 11th, 2007
02:13:15 AM
As unresolved Sopranos been in the past, it has never used gimmicks, i.e. breaking the 4th wall or crazy edits. David Chase's ending was not a 'screw you' to his audience, but instead it was the POV of his main character being shot in the head as he sits with his family. I am a 100 percent this was his intention because: 1) the times this has been talked about this season. The 1st episode Tony tells Bacala that you probably don't even hear it. This was highly emphasized as it was shown in a flashback in the second to last episode in a show that very, very rarely shows flashbacks. 2) It harks back to Silvio seeing the NY mobster shot and how Sil talked about how surreal it was. 3) Leotardo was killed in the same way, gun unknowingly to his head, happy with his family, and then - nothing. 4) No one is sitting next to Tony. That Meadow arrives late gives the assasin a clear shot in a world where families are left unharmed. If Meadow parked sooner, it wouldn't happen. This makes the parking scene not a stupid little scene, but a terribly mundane thing that turns tragic. 4) The sick irony of Meadow running in just in time to see her father brains shot out is very "Sopranos." 5) Tony's face. He's not happy to see Meadow. He knows right then, by the feeling in the room, that something is wrong. 6) The Godfather symbolism. (Suspicious man walks into the bathroom) 7) The Hemingway sympolism. Rewatching the scene one time convinced me that Tony was killed. He 8) The blackness. The nothingness. There is no song at the end. If David Chase is telling the audience Fuck You its only in that he shows a death that goes to a BIG NOTHING. There is no dream house with Livia, no other world that Tony thought about when he did peyote. It blackness and soundless. To be taken from the 6 seasons to this is chilling, as it might be our fates too someday. This is the idea he came up with years ago, to show a life and world just ending with a shot in the head, not a runninig-out-of-tape finale that would piss everyone off. The reason he did it this way is so there would be discussion about the last episode while most people will conclude a year or so now that he was killed.
As Promised........
by FrancisBegbie
Jun 11th, 2007
02:13:42 AM
I wrote in the thread after The Blue Comet episode exactly what happened in the finale and the copy I saw turned out to be a finished cut. Everyone that called me a liar or an attention whore needs to fess up. I wrote verbatim what happened back on Wednesday of this past week.
If their is such a thing as to open an end, this was it
by rhcp2sweet
Jun 11th, 2007
02:14:48 AM
Disappointing ending to an overall excellent show. All you pretentious jackasses who say that those who didn't like it just want everything spoon fed and don't like symbolism are complete morons. Also, people who say he was shot in the last shot are kind of stretching it since there really isn't enough evidence to prove this, besides maybe the awkward 15 second blank screen. At least I can take solace in the fact that I can watch the glory that was seasons 1-5 anytime I want.
Worst last episode eeeeeever!!!!!!
by thebarndogg
Jun 11th, 2007
02:15:44 AM
I will watch a show until it ends. My Friends, My wife, Everyone I know gave up on this show years ago. I stuck with it. I expected some kind of resolution or end. The last episode was complete bullshit. I feel like everyone involved with the production of this show said " hey thanks for waiting for over a year in between episodes and not giving up on us.....you dumb fuck!!!! See you in line for the movie, ya retard!!!" I am done with all things Soprano And David Chase related. Thanks alot assholes!
Rebek3 I agree with most of your post...
by indiephantom
Jun 11th, 2007
02:15:47 AM
having watched it twice more (the very ending). The paranoia is primarily ours and built around what we've seen so far and our expectance of a violent hit. The dude at the counter appears less threatening upon another look. It's conceivable that a hit is about to occur, but I don't feel it. I feel the cut at "don't stop..." is like our longing for the show not stop. But like so many good things in life it ends quickly and not as we necessarily expect or want it to. Seeing it again I found the ending quite uplifting and it's cool to see the family all together enjoying somethig as simple as onion rings. Beautiful. Tony's death would have been so tiresome. All that speculation was pretty jejune, and Chase found a way to end his series in the classiest and smartest way imaginable. Oh, and NO that is not Robert Patrick. As has been said, it's another actor who actually far more resembles John Heard, only skinnier.
One of the dropped endings...
by jjano
Jun 11th, 2007
02:15:49 AM
Was zombie Lucius Vorenus giving zombie Pie-o-my a blumpkin... oh yeah, and Finn was given a Roman war helmet by Zombie Vito
The bell tolling anyone?
by HowieMandela
Jun 11th, 2007
02:19:14 AM
I wrote a rambling entry above, but does anyone agree that the tolling bell pretty much shows that Tony's life was then and there taken?
Right Now David Chase
by Occupant
Jun 11th, 2007
02:29:48 AM
Is Reading All This And Jerking Off Into A Sock
Tony was whacked by Take a Shit Guy from Lost...
by rosasaks
Jun 11th, 2007
02:32:51 AM
Oh, And A Great Ending
by Occupant
Jun 11th, 2007
02:33:58 AM
Did anyone REALLY want to see this series end with anything resolute? And if anyone thinks this supposedly bad ending is going to tarnish the series' legacy, try to remember that Seinfeld ended with a controversial ending and it's still touted as one of the greatest sitcoms ever. Oh, and there will be no movie, SINCE TONY DIED. And one more thing, go fuck yourselves.
David Chase raped my mid-life crisis...
by stereochad
Jun 11th, 2007
02:48:20 AM
Mr. Chase, Let me bask in the glow that is your brilliance Sir. Let me count the ways in which I appreciate the fact that, season after every (other) season (year), you would reward my meager little existence with your profound ponderings on the travails and nature of man (life's a bitch, stupid!). The way in which you would (begrudgingly) sacrifice your lofty ideals to offer up the occasional nod to tradition (read: plot and momentum) and move along the story of Tony & co (like it was all eventually going to lead to some enlightening and satisfying place) really warmed my heart. I suspect that now that this series' drag on your artistic ambitions is finally (sigh) over, you can really get back to doing what you were doing before all of us ignorant americans got ourselves all sugared up on your virtuousity, and get back to directing the kinds of grand cinematic benchmarks that you and your ilk (scorcese, fincher, bogdonovich) were always known for. Oops, scratch that last sentiment. I forgot you trodded along for many a decade without catching this first creative wind. I know you felt that silly things like respecting your audiences wishes to produce 4 years' worth of stories over a 4 year timetable was always beneath you (you did it your way baby), but I can't help but suspect that not everyone is as dimwitted as me, and might actually have a problem with ever giving you another chance with their faith & time (hi Mr. Carter). But you'll always be able to count on me and a few select friends of mine (one). See, we already talked about this after the show tonight, and have decided that instead of agreeing with the likely sentiments of the small-minded (majority of the populace) that I suspect may have a problem with the way in which you ended (didn't end) the series, we will instead applaud the brave way in which you didn't compromise your vision, and give us our cake. It is in this way that we will appear to have a greater understanding of what it truly means to know art. Who needs to be spoon fed anyway, right Mr. Chase? Anyway, I know that since you'll never be bothered to read any of the gallery's feedback, this "bravo" to you will go unheard, but I had to express myself anyways. To think, now you can get back to doing what you've always wanted to do and make small digital "art house" films. You are a fuckstick beyond peer.
Kudos stereochad....
by thebarndogg
Jun 11th, 2007
02:56:00 AM
I could not agree more. Please excuse me while I am spoon fed bullshit...You see I am a Dummy and just don't get it.
Howie Mandela
by topaz4206
Jun 11th, 2007
03:04:52 AM
Everything you say is true, however, it could just as easily been a family eating onion rings together. Like Rosemary's Baby, Pan's Labyrinth, and a hundred other wonderful classics, a perfect ambiguous ending really can go either way.
IN A MMMMMBOP HE'S GONE
by HowieMandela
Jun 11th, 2007
03:08:42 AM
Its the extreme fast-cut that makes it less ambiguous to me. Chase could have had a fade-out, with Tony looking paranoid at everyone in the diner, with us not knowing if someone's going to kill him or not. Instead, in a second, its all gone.
Different for Demand and West Coast?????
by LaZ
Jun 11th, 2007
03:08:58 AM
East coasters- check HBO on demand. The last scene is different. Myself and a dozen others watches sopranos on the east coast. Last show is meadow. Supposedly west coast and definitely on demand (just checked it), ends with Tony. Any idea why the switch was made?
On-Demand
by LaZ
Jun 11th, 2007
03:17:57 AM
Any east coasters notice that the On-demand ending was different than the one we saw? Meadow was the last thing myself and many others saw. It is what is making some of these "tony's dead" discussions more difficult to discuss because some of us saw different endings. On-demand has the last shot as tony's face.
EATING ONION RINGS. YOU PROBABLY DON'T EVEN HEAR IT
by HowieMandela
Jun 11th, 2007
03:18:46 AM
If Chase really wanted to say 'Fuck You' to his audience, he would have ended the show with Meadow parking. Instead he ended it with Tony looking up, a bell tolling, and him dying instantly. It is a brilliant death scene.
Meadow
by LaZ
Jun 11th, 2007
03:25:00 AM
I was pretty pissed when the last thing I saw was meadow's face at the diner. Tony looking up is a much better ending. Why did we get two different endings? It showing meadow and cutting to black points at the fact that Tony died. Showing his face as the last scene, doesn't lead me to believe it was a death scene. My questions- Which ending is going on the DVD and why did only some of us get meadow as the last shot?
'Don't Sto-!'/Chrissy as a cat
by Blud
Jun 11th, 2007
03:26:18 AM
LaZ, I can confirm that the last thing I saw was Meadow at the door to the diner. Something's definitely up if others saw Tony and heard a bell at the end. Perhaps the real ending will only be released on the dvd? The episode was perfect up until the last five mins. I will never eat onion rings or listen to Journey again. Lots of excellent symbolism all over this episode, though. The cat was definitely Christopher reincarnated. Notice how Paulie says that cats steal the breath from babies? Chris was suffocated by Tony. The mangled child seat... See where I'm going with this? It was also interesting that the cat caught rats for the guys at the Bing while Tony Sirico, who portrays Paulie, had the 'no rat' clause written into his contract. No way around it. The ending was robbery. You invest all this time and emotion just to be given a blank canvas? It's not our job to finish the story! We allowed Chase to tell his story and allowed these characters into our homes. And he couldn't even be bothered to conclude it???
Digg/Other Sites
by LaZ
Jun 11th, 2007
03:29:47 AM
Its funny, because if you read the first comments on many sites, they talk about it being tony's vision because the last shot IS meadow. West Coasters saw a different version. On-demand IS a different version. I just checked it again. Personally, I prefer the last shot showing tony, but for those that think tony got shot, showing him, instead of meadow kind of screws things up. I don't prefer it but I was willing to believe that was the last thing he saw before he got shot. This ending shot change REALLY makes a big difference.
READ!!!!!!!! The BATHROOM WALKER WAS
by iwontwin
Jun 11th, 2007
03:30:47 AM
Nikki Leotardo...he was the man who walked to the bathroom! He was phils cousin, and in an early episode 6!
Rumor
by LaZ
Jun 11th, 2007
03:33:04 AM
I haven't seen anything that can back it up. I've seen that around in a few places. Screenshot? IMDB link? Haven't seen one yet. BS until I see something.
David Chase's Big FUCK YOU
by otto maddox
Jun 11th, 2007
03:33:44 AM
He cant even decide which fucked up ending to use
I was very disappointed in
by Blud
Jun 11th, 2007
03:35:15 AM
I was very disappointed in the final conversation between Tony and Corrado. I remember stumbling onto some spoilers before Season 6B started that Tony would have a breakthrough in therapy and realize that he was sexually abused by Junior, which would have explained their strange and complex relationship. According to the spoilers, Tony would have forgiven Junior for the abuse and said that he's spent his entire adult life carrying on the family tradition of abuse and now he knows it wasn't because of him. That would have been so much more epic than some galaxy nonsense talk and denture porn.
Ending
by LaZ
Jun 11th, 2007
03:39:36 AM
otto- Personally, I am not pissed about either ending. I would just prefer that they would stick to ONE :) Showing meadow as the last shot favors those that say that tony got killed and the last thing he saw was meadow coming through the door. Showing tony as the last shot, gives me the feeling that its paranoid tony and that live goes on as usual for him- just another day in the world of tony and the same kinds of issues he dealt with in every other season. If on-demand is ONLY showing Tony as the last shot and not the alternate ending, a lot of us east coasters saw, most people on the east coast who may only see this once could have a different opinion of the ending based on a single shot. For such a big finale, I am surprised that they would do this. I would love to get an answer.
WTF is going on?
by OswaldWasAPussy
Jun 11th, 2007
03:41:01 AM
I manage a a little side forum where we discuss shit like this among other things, a bunch are saying it is bullshit that they didn't get a resolution to the story and then one guy comes in and says they are all smoking crack, that he saw Tony get it in the back of the head. I thought he was just fucking with the guys cause they all needed a little vagisil, but if some people are saying that Meadow's face is the last shot with a fade and some are saying it is Tony's face with a fade, is this guy just projecting his own imagination of what he thought was gonna happen or did he see a completely different ending from most of America? Could they have pulled a fast one on us? Is this the modern equivalant of Booby Ewing in the shower with a twist? If anyone actually witnessed someone shoot Tony, sound off! If you think it it might have happened after the fade, STFU, let's get some numbers on the differences.
Mr. Bacci....
by stereochad
Jun 11th, 2007
03:44:23 AM
I'm sorry you have taken my dissapointment with this final episode so personally. Could it be that you are perhaps one of the chosen ones who truly "know" art more so than the rest of us? It appears so, as you are taking personal stabs at me (for voicing my heartbreak about the (mis)direction of a (at times) great(ish) TV show. In fact, I didn't want splosions and stuff, rather a creativly conceptualized ending to Mr. Chases(?) story. You do understand that he was accepting paychecks from HBO to TELL US A STORY?!?! If I wanted to come up with my own conclusion, I would've just skipped tonights episode and "used my imagination". Nah brother, It's a lazy mind that attacks another's opinion, because it somehow adversely affects their own sense of self (we get it, your smarter). And did I smell another telltale sign of insecurity coming from your post bacci? What was up with all that "oh, you may have advanced degrees and good jobs" business about huh? Is someone compensating for his (or her) own insecurities tonight? I'm headed to bed. Flame on if you'd like.
Alternate Ending
by LaZ
Jun 11th, 2007
03:47:26 AM
I've been looking at a lot of discusion on the HBO boards, digg, and a few other places, and NO ONE else has claimed to see anything else, except for East Coasters who saw meadow as the last shot before the cut to black. With millions of viewers, SOMEONE else would have posted in other forums if there were other endings besides the two. Unless I'm wrong and people just arent talking because they thought everyone saw the same thing. Has ANYONE else seen a different ending shot, besides the one with tony and the alternate one showing meadow walking into the diner?
So viewers are either pretentious or pea-brained?
by tonagan
Jun 11th, 2007
04:02:06 AM
Can't I be both? (the answer is Yes!)
I know what happened...
by Tal111
Jun 11th, 2007
04:03:21 AM
you see when Tony looked towards the door he
I still belive Tony is dead
by DaKnifeOrDaGun
Jun 11th, 2007
04:10:15 AM
The entire series has been from the perspective or 'eyes' of Tony Soprano. To me, it doesnt matter if the last scene was meadow entering the restaurant or Tony looking up at Meadow. It still ends with an abrupt silence and then the credits roll in silence. Theres a reason why there wasnt a soft fade with music playing like the usual. Tony was shot..probably in the head and it happened fast as fast as Bobby previously discussed it. One minute you're alive and then it's over. I thought that Chase opted to do these last episodes instead of a movie. Maybe I heard wrong.
Dead?
by LaZ
Jun 11th, 2007
04:16:12 AM
To me the last scene makes a big difference. Last shot at meadow, could very well be the last thing he sees, just like bobby discussed. The show ending with the scene showing tony, ends like many of the episodes have in the past... just another day for Tony Soprano. He is still paranoid, he still has to deal with those legal issues, and everything else. This episode was very much like any ordinary episode. It could have been put in the middle of any season and we wouldn't think twice (characters aside, of course). It cutting with meadow, changes the the entire feel of the last scene for me. That is why I am really interested in getting some info on why this was done.
Nikki Leotardo.FALSE
by iwontwin
Jun 11th, 2007
04:17:40 AM
Jimmy Spadola the actor who played the man who walked to the bathroom. Unless he was in a former episode of the sopranos uncredited, he is not phils cousin.
Believe what you want...
by Pagliacci
Jun 11th, 2007
04:22:27 AM
But that doesn't make it true. That's why it ended the way it did. But T, Paulie, Sil, Uncle June, Carm, AJ, Janice, and Meadow are all presumably still alive... setting itself for a feature film someday. The Sopranos isn't really over. It just faded away. Again, until an intevitable movie.
My only disappointment...
by Pagliacci
Jun 11th, 2007
04:28:08 AM
was that I thought for sure this episode would have revealed that Paulie Walnuts, was in fact, Jesus Christ.
MEMBERS ONLY
by HowieMandela
Jun 11th, 2007
04:41:03 AM
The characters in the restuarant seem to be from the show, but not...Very strange. There's the guy who looks like the gambling addict/sports store guy....the dad and kids who look like the hobby store witnesses...melfi and her psychologist seem to walk by...the black guys who look like the ones who tried to take Tony out years ago...a phil leotardo has his back to us...abd, then there's that mystery man who comes in. I read that he was just a local actor who got that part...could he be from that early season 6 episode, uncredited. Wishful thinking maybe, because that would be beyond aweome. He was also in a Members Only Jacket...the name of the first episode in season 6. Damn. Now I'm just getting too fucking tired.
FrancisBegbie, I apologize.
by American Mythos
Jun 11th, 2007
04:42:55 AM
You were right man. You have my respect. But, as the episode progressed, I was thinking "fuck, that internet prick was right -- ah well, at least I can look forward to that suspense-filled ending where surely something will happen after the point where the internet prick's tape cut off". And then? Nothing! Wow, Chase, you fucked me, and you didn't even use the coco butter lotion that I like (it smells good). My cousin, who's not even a Sopranos fan, said they should have at least shown the barrel of a gun come in off-screen in that last frame with Tony. Now THAT would have been a brilliant fucking ending -- don't even show the hand holding it, don't even let us hear the shot, just show the barrel, then roll credits. That would have been a powerful fucking end. I'm sure I'm not the only one hoping the rumors of a motion picture are true. After that, there definitely has to be one. As for buying the last season when it comes out on DVD? Fuck it, illegal downloading here I come.
Herc. You. Better. Comment. On. This.
by TopHat
Jun 11th, 2007
04:44:14 AM
My two cents: I don't fucking know. Obvious throw back to THE GODFATHER; AJ saying "Mmmm, onion rings" then Tony saying "Best in the city, if you ask me." In the movie the police guy asks "What's good here?" and the guy goes "Try the veal. Best in the city." And of course Pacino goes into the bathroom to get the gun. Also, Chase made A LOT of reference to music in this episode (and the series); The infamous last shot of Tony shows him looking through the songs again before looking up. If Tony does get whacked, then Chase should go public and admit it. He shouldn't be a dick and shrug his shoulders saying "I dunno, maybe (snicker, snicker)"
Maybe it was us who got it in the back of the head.
by random123
Jun 11th, 2007
04:55:22 AM
We knew it was going to end, but we still didn't see it coming.
"He's saying the framus hit the ramastan approximately
by Walterego
Jun 11th, 2007
04:57:55 AM
at the paranostra!" That was great. I have no idea what it means but Paulie always gets the best lines. What exactly was he saying anyhow?
Or maybe it was Chase.
by random123
Jun 11th, 2007
05:01:57 AM
and all the people behind the camera.
What about Tony seeing Tony sitting at the booth?
by pinkraygun_guy
Jun 11th, 2007
05:27:21 AM
Just curious as to what everyone makes of this. When Tony walks into the diner, he surveys the surroundings. Clearly visible to Tony is Tony sitting at the booth, by himself. Wha-ha-huh? Is it an evil doppleganger? Is it BOB? What the heck is going on here?
All the people I know who weren't satisfied...
by The Tao of Joe
Jun 11th, 2007
05:28:20 AM
with the ending were people who didn't watch every episode of the show. While I love both shows, "The Sopranos" isn't "The Shield" because Tony is actually a better father than Vic Mackey ever will be. "The Shield" is an action series with dramatic undertones, and "The Sopranos" is a dramatic series with action undertones. As far as the finale is concerned, Phil Leotardo got whacked, solving Tony's problems for now, but his problems will never be over. Every Italian-looking man that comes into a resturant or goes into a bathroom, hell, even every black guy, could be the one who pulls a gun and murders him or his whole entire family - and he deserves it for chosing the life that he did. Anyone waiting for Tony to get shot or go to jail needs to realize that both of those things happened and Tony survived. If Chase were to have used either again, it would have been pretty fucking repetitive. Both 'parts' of the final season began with the two endings that most people thought were going to finish Tony off in the end, but when we see that he comes out on top, Chase also shows us the gravity that this implies. I'm not a snob, I am not one of those guys who is trying to be different -- I'm just a man who loves the show, understood what was going on in the final scene, and digs what David Chase did with the show. If you felt the finale lacked violence, I am sure you will get that from "The Shield," and there's nothing wrong with that.
Best..Ending...Ever
by zekmoe
Jun 11th, 2007
05:35:38 AM
Palatable paranoia. You could feel like Tony does for a second. Lam-o AJ, being twisted to whichever way the wind blows, and just being an immature kid all his life. "Dr" Meadow, too stupid to park a car. Carm, ignoring reality. Tony checking out everyone. No progress. New surrounding characters to replace the old ones. Crazy Paulie and the cat. As real as it gets for TV. It's the ultimate Talk About It ending ever.
The dream thing
by OswaldWasAPussy
Jun 11th, 2007
05:38:11 AM
Those that insist the dream he had is the inspiration for the fade will love this. The song before Journey was Little Feat, "All that you dream". I still think Chase left it open to interpretation, but it looks like he was definitely jacking peoples perceptions.
pinkraygun_guy is right
by hyak
Jun 11th, 2007
05:45:22 AM
Tony sees himself at the booth, and the close-up of Tony looking up from the table jukebox as Carm comes in is almost exactly the same as the final shot. Could be interpreted as him sort of reliving that perpetual hell and tension we felt over that last scene for the rest of his life. There's a Neil Gaiman story in Fragile Things about a guy and a demon in hell that has a similar theme.
Love Tony
by t1n1
Jun 11th, 2007
05:52:43 AM
I loved the Tony character and was dreading his death so I am relieved its left to our imagination.I know I would have hated seeing Tony getting wacked , I would have HATED such an episode.
im an east coaster.....
by TheUltraHumanite
Jun 11th, 2007
05:58:26 AM
what the fuck is this shot of meadow talk? it wasnt there, you didnt see it, period
t1n1
by NudeandAroused
Jun 11th, 2007
06:25:20 AM
Is right. I don't think that anyone expected a show that broke all conventions to have a conventional ending. This was never a show that ended everything pat wrapped in a bow. If you want something that ends neat and tidy, is uggest Dr. Suess, or watching next years "The Next Pussycat Doll."
UltraHumanite
by antilifeequator
Jun 11th, 2007
06:28:54 AM
I'm east coast too, just south of Charlotte. The last shot I saw was a closeup of Meadow with a look that was not quite horror but what I would describe as confused dismay. After my father and I kind of chewed over the abrupt ending for a few minutes, I brought up the now heavily discussed theory that the abrupt ending was Tony's unheard, unfelt death shot. We, of course, recorded the show on our Time Warner DVR box and watched it live but when I went back to show him the shot of Meadow in question, I got the last shot of Tony looking up. I know how that would sound to me if I was reading it on here, but it's all I have to offer. I have no clue how they could arrange for a single, quick shot like that to be plucked from between the shot of Tony and the blackness before the credits but I know that I distinctly saw Meadow not quite look into the camera but just above and to my left with that worried look in her eye and how strange I thought it was that the whole saga went out with a shot of her face and the feeling of my balls retracting into the sockets from whence they dropped as I thought that the death shot was sure to immediately follow. Instead, the black screen that (though I'm told it makes me a Downie retard) horrified me for a few seconds until I realized what had really happened and smiled in disbelief. I think that the Angel finale probably prepped me for it and I had to explain to my parents what we had just seen and the ramifications. My dad has MS and takes quite a few strong medications so I wasn't surprised that he couldn't tell me whether he remembered the show ending on Tony or Meadow, but when my mom woke up this morning, I asked her and she remembered seeing Meadow as well. I'm not trying to mislead you, but I haven't really seen a detailed description of this yet and I wanted to provide one for anyone who's curious or skeptical, though I imagine the skepticism will remain for most until they are able to see some sort of proof for themselves. I hope you guys get it soon.
Guys, Tony is dead, that is why the screen goes black!
by colivo
Jun 11th, 2007
06:29:01 AM
At first I was like WTF????????? But I watched it a couple of more times, and I now think it is brilliant! Think about it, if Tony flips, everyone complains cause he wouldn't do that. If Tony has a trial, it is anti-climatic. If Tony is shot, everyone sees it coming. TONY WAS SHOT AND KILLED!!!!! That is why the screen goes black, he never saw it coming, and that is life in the mob, remember what Ray Liotta said in Goodfellas, "If it weren't the cops, I never would have heard them." Chase was able to kill his main character without showing, and that is a good thing. Would any of us here be happy to always have that image of Tony with his face down lying in blood, we love this guy, but he got his and deserved it. Come on guys, what are going to think of everytime that Journey song comes on!
It could have been better, yes, but ...
by Itchy
Jun 11th, 2007
06:32:59 AM
Chase' ability to create palpable tension in the final scene was pretty brilliant ... and when it fades to black, you realize that, as Livia says, it's all a big nothing. That's just a day in the life of Tony. Any second, he could get whacked, his family could get whacked, he could get arrested. Who knows ? And at the end of the day, the best Tony can hope for is to be Uncle June, sitting in a home staring out a window, having no memory of how he was the "boss of all North Jersey". Pretty interesting, but definately a let down to have everything end so "nicely" after last week's brilliant episode. I like my final episode idea better: A secret government experiment being conducted in an FBI lab breaks free and reanimates the corpses of everyone Tony whacked, and an army of undead Dagos led by Chrissy and his corpse-bride Adriana return to wrecky havock on North Jersey.
colivo...
by antilifeequator
Jun 11th, 2007
06:33:49 AM
are you suggesting that the abrupt ending, uber-tense mood, and the dropping of some subtle hints somehow signified the termination of the life of one Anthony Soprano? (read a la Ben/Glory as explained by Spike and to the amazement of those vulnerable to Glory's spell thingie)
Made in America
by Lenq
Jun 11th, 2007
06:36:56 AM
The actor in the last scene is actually a local pizza shop owner. In an interview with a news paper he claims that there was more to the scence than Chase showed us. He would not say what, exactly, it was. But did mention a possible film. http://www.phillyburbs.com/ is not yet updated but should be soon.
this ending tortured the casual fan...Howard Stern...
by iwontwin
Jun 11th, 2007
06:37:05 AM
People who half paid attention to the show,or watched it as a some macho killing spree...they didn't get it. Howard Stern gave it a B+, Artie gave it a B, and both of them got what chase is doing concerning the paranoia. But people who hated it didn't get the nuances which the last scene played on! This ending will be debated forever!
Tony's Twin
by jrob529
Jun 11th, 2007
06:39:05 AM
I thought I was imagining Tony seeing himself in the diner as he walked in. I guess I wasn't the only one who saw this.
uggh...
by datachasm
Jun 11th, 2007
06:51:06 AM
im not sure what to say about the ending. right now (just finished watching it), i think its crap. i think what happened is that the last thing he sees is Meadow. maybe Meadow was lucky to be late or she likely would have died, conversely, if she had been on time the guy might not have killed him. also, AJ makes the little speech saying "enjoy it" or whatever. it just kinda sucks leaving it this way, but it might have sucked worse watching Tony die. at any rate, i think Tony as we knew him is done, either dead or in prison. who would have ever thought Paulie would be the last one standing?
That ending - Great Idea, Shitty Execution.
by Horseflesh
Jun 11th, 2007
07:00:14 AM
When over half your audience is torn out of the moment by thinking "Who sat on the remote?!?!" you have failed.
SK229
by tk 421
Jun 11th, 2007
07:03:34 AM
Sorry if my post was overly harsh, it was either the inherent rivalry because of the two letter, three number name thing we both have got going on or maybe I was too drunk to be posting. I hear what you're saying about pop culture references dating a show though. It's a fine line to walk and time'll tell if this episode holds up like, for say, the MASH finale. For the record, I felt a little cheated by the ending. For the past 10 years, I've always felt that Tony had to be punished. He was too evil to let go scot free. To not actually see it left me a little empty. At least the Journey song rocked.
The Ending told us
by Damer1
Jun 11th, 2007
07:03:37 AM
nothing about Tony Soprano's future. Speculate all you want but you have no idea what happened after the screen went blank.
I agree
by grendel69
Jun 11th, 2007
07:04:38 AM
and dont disagree with the life goes on ending, but agree it was badly done. And this show didnt always leave things open ended, thats something that started in S4.
Lets suppose the scene was extended a minute longer...
by Bobo_Vision
Jun 11th, 2007
07:05:51 AM
...and one of the men in the diner blows Tony away, with Meadow, Carmella, and AJ crying...and then fade to black with credits...that would have been a very hollow and predictable ending. Thats what everyone was waiting for, and there would be a feeling of being cheated because we would then wonder where this turn of events leads Meadow, AJ, and Carmella. The way it was ended last night already gave us closure to their characters, and then strongly hinted at the fate of Tony, and I do believe he bought the big one a fraction of a second after the screen cut to black. Even if he didn't, he's eventually going to bite it, so we were given the build up to that inevitable death. I like it.
Meadow
by LaZ
Jun 11th, 2007
07:06:38 AM
antilifeequator- You are right the same thing happened to me. Unlike you who were with your mom and dad, I had 12 people with me that saw her :) My friends in the area saw the same thing. My friend in LA just saw the tony shot. TheUltraHumanite- Go to digg's first comments or HBO's and look at the tony death discussion. It was all based on the fact that it was HIS vision looking at HER, not that it shows HIM looking at HER direction. It is the reason I brought it up here, because when you saw it (because of the different scene) affects your perception of what happened to tony. Does anyone have a DVR copy with meadow in it as the last scene or a screenshot?
Also..
by grendel69
Jun 11th, 2007
07:07:32 AM
The ending doesnt work for me and neither does the Tony dead scenario since we all know a movie has been discussed.
LaZ
by antilifeequator
Jun 11th, 2007
07:15:48 AM
Rubbing it in my face that I had to watch the finale with mom and disabled pop instead of surrounded by peers, eh? Lucky bastard. But, I'll have you know our five cats were in and out of the room throughout the entire episode as well. I'm glad you could corroborate my account and the other lucky East coasters. I'll eventually live down my finale family shame. We are Italian and have always watched together, and some of the stuff hits home, in good and bad ways. Oh, and they let me smoke dope in the house. Any of you technically inclined guys care to speculate on how our DVR playback could have given us the West Coast/selective East Coast Meadow dismay variant shot?
correction
by antilifeequator
Jun 11th, 2007
07:18:08 AM
care to speculate on how our DVR playback could have OMITTED the blah blah blah
Cheap storytelling gag?
by tk 421
Jun 11th, 2007
07:20:35 AM
I'm not sure I'd go so far as to call the ending a cheap storytelling gag. It may be ill-conceived, poorly written and unsatisfying but that doesn't make it a gag. It was a valid choice that people disagree with. But, hey, that's art for you.
ending
by tom_joad
Jun 11th, 2007
07:25:02 AM
I have Direct Tv and I watched the East Coast showing and the West Coast showing, it is the same, Meadow about to enter the restaurant and then close up on Tony looking up as he heard the door open and then cut to black.
ending
by tom_joad
Jun 11th, 2007
07:32:33 AM
I think it is one of the best endings, you can project what happened, I like open endings My take on it is that he did not die but he will be indicted and go to jail. Meadow will probably help defend him in court. AJ will still be AJ but will be in a different path than Tony, both children will break from the past, they will have their own lives separate from the mob.
Goodfellas v. Sopranos
by tk 421
Jun 11th, 2007
07:45:17 AM
Exactly the same except Tony is 100% Italian, is a made guy, doesn't sell coke, doesn't turn state's evidence, doesn't marry into a Jewish family and doesn't cook pasta with Paul Sorvino. Other than that , yeah, they're exactly the same.
It wasn't a movie. It easn't a novel. It wasn't even
by Thunderbolt Ross
Jun 11th, 2007
07:56:01 AM
a story. So why do people insist it should end like any of those things?

It is a TV show, episodic in structure, and lacking anything resembling the rising and falling action, or any of the structure usually attributed to those other types of narrative. I mean over the course of the entire series, not throughout arcs or even seasons.

So it makes no sense to expect an ending that fits with those type of narratives when it's a completely different animal.

Loved it!!
by Cysquatch
Jun 11th, 2007
07:56:22 AM
Although I am sad to see it end I think the time was right. Well done.
The Cat
by ZoeFan
Jun 11th, 2007
08:02:10 AM
The reason The Cat was staring at the picture of Chris was becasue Chris was a RAT. And if you remember earlier in the episode, Tony mentioned how the cat caught a rat.
Sopranos creator David Chase
by hank adebisi
Jun 11th, 2007
08:04:42 AM
Sopranos creator David Chase could’ve had a monkey eating a banana at the end of the episode and some folks would write about the ‘brilliance’ behind its ending. I prefer to believe that we look at what Tony told Paulie about interpreting the cat who was fixated on Chrissy’s photo: Don’t read too much into anything. There are other theories as well: http://tinyurl.com/ypqtan
The cat reveals all
by hank adebisi
Jun 11th, 2007
08:05:11 AM
Sopranos creator David Chase could’ve had a monkey eating a banana at the end of the episode and some folks would write about the ‘brilliance’ behind its ending. I prefer to believe that we look at what Tony told Paulie about interpreting the cat who was fixated on Chrissy’s photo: Don’t read too much into anything. There are other theories as well: http://tinyurl.com/ypqtan
Still not sure what to make of the ending....
by ManosTHOF
Jun 11th, 2007
08:05:32 AM
.... but people who shout "cocksucker" and similar things at others in this thread just because they disagree probably proves the (correct) contention that they themselves are too stupid to get the point.
worst. episode. ever
by rolo_tony
Jun 11th, 2007
08:08:39 AM
I've seen like 3 episodes of the sopranos in my life, I don't have HBO, and I didn't even watch the final episode. BUT THAT WAS THE WORST FINALE EVER!!!!!
People that Liked it vs. People who didn't
by ZoeFan
Jun 11th, 2007
08:11:23 AM
I've already said what I thought of the episode, so I'm not going over that. However, I'd be willing to bet that the large majority of people that hated the final episode also hated "Join the Club" episode (that's the Tony's dream episode when he's in a coma). At least initially. That's why I say watch the final episode again. I think most people will have a change of heart. At least a little.
the whole episode was so tense
by Magic Rat
Jun 11th, 2007
08:11:27 AM
every scene had tension - except for the phsyciatrist scenes and the Uncle Junior scenes. I kept thinking Janice was going to get popped sniper style while she was out on her deck. Then I thought Paulie was going to get it in the Big when he was all alone. Practically ever moment had death looming around the corner, right up until the very end. Excellent episode.
Was the episode...
by jrob529
Jun 11th, 2007
08:16:24 AM
in itself tense? Or was it tense strictly due to everyone knew this was the last episode? Take it strictly as a stand alone episode and the intensity lessens significantly.
hes not dead
by ZO
Jun 11th, 2007
08:18:46 AM
the whole point is life goes on.
hbo should be ashamed of themselves
by JeanLuc Dickhard
Jun 11th, 2007
08:29:13 AM
sorry excuse for a last episode
good ep
by FirstManReturns1
Jun 11th, 2007
08:35:33 AM
we shouldve seen this coming. I thought the episode was great. I didn't really understand the point of leaving that blank spot at the end, I think he should've just had meadow come in and finished it amd that would've been fine.
btw
by FirstManReturns1
Jun 11th, 2007
08:36:39 AM
anyone know where to find that video that AJ and rhianna were watching and cracking up at towards the end?
Tension
by antilifeequator
Jun 11th, 2007
08:37:57 AM
came from a lot of things for me. The big internet rumor that someone in the immediate titular family was gonna get it, likely a planted rumor designed specifically to get our hackles up in that last five minutes. The well-established cliche of ironic music playing over or leading up to a horrific and/or violent death scene. The show's history of bleak, nigh-nihilistic views peppered with occasional morsels of hope (usually the hope is tied to the very family we're so worried is going to be torn apart by one to four deaths in those last few minutes). The foreshadowing, misleading and otherwise. The smattering of hints everywhere in the last few episodes and this one, so much so at times that the mind boggled. Wait, did they say something about a rat? The cat catches rats! Staring at a picture of Chrissy while playing on Paulie's superstitions (at their fucking creepiest when he was seemingly surrounded by legit ghosts at the psychic's house early on). Heidi and Kennedy = girls with a role in Chris's fatal crash (another scene where you could just feel what was coming and could do nothing to stop it, felt to me like I was in that car taking those turns with them) and the Blue Comet = the train that Bobby was buying when rubbed out. With this episode, those of us who are internet-savvy or pay close attention to the titles of the episodes were looking for a tie-in with the title and a major death tonight. Would A.J.'s American-made (I think, right?) car be the death of him and that smoking little hottie (oh my God, I saw her in her bra!), would his fears of Ameripocalypse materialize with a tie-in with the middle easterners from earlier this season, or the first half of the season, whatever. The guy in the USA hat? Like Chris's accident, the camera work screamed impending death but for the entire episode. Was waiting for A.J.'s new Beemer (correct?, not even mildly a car guy) to explode when he first got in. The tension was certainly the most palpable in the last 5 minutes but I was biting nails for the whole thing. Rife with red herrings and an hour that called on our knowledge of mob movie cliches and past Sopranos episodes to terrify us into thinking every moment could be someone's last. Also worked better if you crumbled and took a little peek at the, with the exception of FrancisBegbie's which I thankfully missed, largely incorrect spoilers online. A mindfuck all the way through and a ride that I loved and hated. Sorry for the ramble, didn't sleep last night because I was up thinking about the show and letting it sink in. I didn't want to be one of those cats at the proverbial water cooler saying "You know, now that I think about it, the blackness preceding the credits could have been TONY'S BLANK, UNHEARD DEATH!" Perhaps it was to my detriment.
Best finales ever?
by Man_of_Stool
Jun 11th, 2007
08:38:58 AM
Babylon 5. Six Feet Under. This final was strangely appropriate, though!
Sopranos is "the ghey"
by Puddleglum
Jun 11th, 2007
08:44:40 AM
no *spoiler warner* required
Sopranos is "teh ghey"
by Puddleglum
Jun 11th, 2007
08:44:50 AM
no *spoiler warner* required
eff double-posts
by Puddleglum
Jun 11th, 2007
08:45:40 AM
Seriously, what was up with that finale, though????? FU HBO!
As for everyone dying at the end
by gottaeat
Jun 11th, 2007
08:49:58 AM
As predicted by mjgtexas.... hey mjgtexas it's Credibility on line 2, just calling to let ya know Shut yer yap and stop flapping yer gums. Nice fake out.
Why
by geoman1999
Jun 11th, 2007
08:56:39 AM
I happen not be part of the elite, I'm in fly over country, yes the everyday guy. I looked forward to the last season for a log time just to be disappointed by half of the shows. Why did I expect any thing more out of the final episode? It sucked! WHY
i thought this guy put it pretty well
by FirstManReturns1
Jun 11th, 2007
08:59:11 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBI Z/TV/06/10/sopranos.finale.ap/ index.html "The finale displayed their lives continuing, for better and worse, unaffected by the fact that the series is done. The implication was, they will go on as usual. We just won't be able to watch."
Geoman
by antilifeequator
Jun 11th, 2007
09:00:08 AM
A grasp of the language sometimes will help you enjoy a show in which dialogue is spoken. And if you were looking forward to the last season for a "log time", how could you be disappointed? Did you even SEE the Vito Jr. shower scene?
Most people saw the whole thing all the way through....
by ChickenGeorgeVII
Jun 11th, 2007
09:00:34 AM
In the very end...Tony went to The Coast of Utopia and then they waved goodbye and everybody went home.....And thus, did something happen on pay cable? - - - George, The 7th Chicken!!!!
Firstmanreturns
by Mooly
Jun 11th, 2007
09:00:37 AM
The going to black is to further the tension by implying MAYBE someone other than Meadow enters the restaurant. Could be anyone. Personally, I thought the ep was a let down and agree with whomever said they should have just had meadow come in and end it with them eating together. Cliffhangers are one thing but literally ending with nothing is gong to piss off almost everybody. HOwever, MSNBC this morning was talking to some Sopranos expert/critic. He said some interesting things regarding the closing credits. He claims that all the people who came into the restaurant were characters would could potentially kill Tony but you don't realize it unless you watch the credits. ONe was Phil Leotardo's brother. One was somebody who ripped one of the Sopranos off in the past. I think he even said the two black dudes tried to kill tony in the early seasons. He also pointed out that Tony's father died while being gunned down in a restaurant.
Would the episode have instantly become
by Itchy
Jun 11th, 2007
09:01:01 AM
an all time classic if Members-Only guy walked into the shitter at the ice cream place and takes-a-shit-guy was in a stall heaving and asked him to pass some tp because he was late for a flight to Sydney.
Reasons supporting Tony being whacked
by Batutta
Jun 11th, 2007
09:04:54 AM
A) The guy who came in after AJ and sat at the counter was eyeballing him several times. Could have gone to the bathroom so he could sneak up on him from a better angle. B) With the way Phil was whacked in front of his whole family, New York would have only been appeased if they were allowed to return the favor. C) With Tony facing certain indictment, Jersey wouldn't have felt too bad about allowing him to go. D) The look on Paulie's face toward the end of the episode. He knew something was up. He might even have made a deal with NY to allow Tony to get bumped.
bacci40
by TVguy4566
Jun 11th, 2007
09:06:26 AM
Why are you so self-righteous and arrogant? Just because people wanted closure, doesn't make them less intelligent and/or need to be spoon fed entertainment. Personally, I didn't hate the end and wasn't even expecting things to be tied up in a neat little package. I didn't hate the ending, but I didn't love it either. For the record, I thought reveiling Laura Palmer's killer killed Twin Peaks. I could have waited another five seasons to find out who killed her if they kept the writing strong. I also never had a problem with the pace Lost reveiled their secrets prior to their fast pace revelations of the second half of last season. My point that just because someone doesn't find the last season of the Sopranos profound that they are of lesser intelligence or need to be spoon fed. I think people are making the last scene more profound. We all get it. You find the last episode brilliant. I've got news for you though. That doesn't make you intellictually superior to people who didn't like it. If you really think it does, that speaks volumes of your actual intelligence.
mooly
by FirstManReturns1
Jun 11th, 2007
09:10:02 AM
that's just an opinion. in fact i think i most people would agree that Meadow does enter the restaurant, but who really knows? and i don't think going to the back was to further the tension. i more agree with the article i posted above.
FBI agent rules - where gonna win this !! - clutch
by greekopa
Jun 11th, 2007
09:10:35 AM
he was clutch
They should have ended the series
by Itchy
Jun 11th, 2007
09:13:07 AM
Vito and Johnny Cakes spooning in bed naked, the whole final season nothing but a poist-coital dream in Vito's head.
Firstman, mooly
by antilifeequator
Jun 11th, 2007
09:15:43 AM
I know everything online has to be taken with a coarse grain of salt, but what some of us were discussing earlier about the last shot being of Meadow entering the diner and not Tony looking up is wholly legit. I have no explanation for why it seemingly only made it to a select portion of the east coast or why even my DVR omitted that quick shot but I feel pretty confident that something with as big of an impact on the ambiguous ending as this will have some light shed on it by the end of the day, some kind of confirmation or screencap. I know no one uses fucking VHS anymore, but damned if I don't wish I had. There go my 15 minutes.
Another shitty series finale.
by NinjaRap
Jun 11th, 2007
09:16:35 AM
Has there ever been a show that's ended on a completely satisfying note? Seems like everything ends on a wild downturn in quality, a poorly written closing episode, a clip show or basically just an ass-stupid decision (like... not actually showing what happens).
Black out on east coast ????
by Faust_8
Jun 11th, 2007
09:19:32 AM
Right before Meadow opens the door, my cable went black for 3 seconds. People say that the last shot was tony, my last shot was on Meadow. Was this in the show or did my cable black out ?? Either way it still sucked.
oh, and firstman
by antilifeequator
Jun 11th, 2007
09:21:47 AM
i know that video can be found in youtube by searching 'rove rap', i've seen a full-length of just karl rove making even me feel embarrassed and causing me to cringe while alone in my own living room but i also saw one spliced with bush reaching deep down and grasping a firm hold on his african roots.
faust,
by antilifeequator
Jun 11th, 2007
09:25:29 AM
we discussed this above a little bit if you want to read it in detail, but the crux is that some of us on the east coast apparently and inexplicably got an ominous closeup of meadow with her eyes in full view and sporting a look of worry as she looks toward her family for our final shot, seemingly followed by the shot of tony glancing up that everyone else got. furthermore, this east coast extra pulled a mr. terrific and refused to let itself be recorded by any kind of dvr or ondemand service. i'm not fucking fucking you. real deal.
sorry,
by antilifeequator
Jun 11th, 2007
09:26:51 AM
i meant seemingly FOLLOWING the shot of tony glancing up. seriously, haven't slept in 28 hours and i'm not tired yet, but i have developed an extra chromosome.
Sopranos gotta eat......
by blacknoi
Jun 11th, 2007
09:36:15 AM
onion rings
just watched it again...
by obi-bear
Jun 11th, 2007
09:36:24 AM
....and it's even better the second time. I'm going to miss this show. Fucking brilliant.
Sort of an inverse Goodfellas ending
by fireclown
Jun 11th, 2007
09:37:27 AM
"I get to live the rest of my life as a schlub". I'm still mulling it, which means it couldn't have been that bad. I'm also sort of liking the idea that the blackout was tony having another panic attack.
If Tony Died ...
by FrodoFraggins
Jun 11th, 2007
09:42:17 AM
Why was there no gunshot before the abrupt cut to black. This ending is far from definitive. Chase left it open to take it any damn which way he wants. Even if there was a gunshot, Chase could define it later in any way. The scene was never shown from Tony's POV, from what I remember. If it had been, then I might buy the Tony was shot thing.
New Credible Theory
by antilifeequator
Jun 11th, 2007
09:42:57 AM
With Faust's description of a short period of blackout prior to the Meadow shot that myself and others have described, I am starting to wonder if there is more to this. We've established that for some odd reason, it did not record on digital video recorders or similar equipment and is not found in the OnDemand episode. I only saw it once, but I am a hundred percent on it having ended with us getting a good look at Meadow's eyes and her growing look of worry. She doesn't exactly break the fourth wall but it's damn close. I don't remember a short period of blackness prior to that shot but the episode's intended blackout occurred while locked onto her face. I am really starting to feel that some anamoly, planned or otherwise, allowed an undetermined number of viewers, so far only on the east coast, a small glimpse at what may have followed Tony's glance up at his daughter in the alternate filmed endings. I'm not a technical guy, so I couldn't even begin to guess at how or why this happened or what made it impervious to DVR, but I'm anxious to see what develops.
What the fuck?
by ripper t. jones
Jun 11th, 2007
09:54:03 AM
Has anyone noticed the Made In America episode recap has changed on HB O.COM? An hour ago the final line read like this: "Meadow arrived just in time for..." It now reads: "Meadow arrives just in time for dinner." No kidding. HBO is screwin with viewers. As I mentioned earlier, last night when I was watching the broadcast the last shot before the blackout was of Meadow walking tward the table. When I rewatched it (on DVR), the final shot was a close-up of Tony". SOMETHINGS NOT RIGHT! WHAT DID YOU SEE AS THE LAST SHOT BEFORE BLACK?
since it has been very clear
by fireclown
Jun 11th, 2007
10:01:53 AM
since it has been very clear to anyone who reads any boards on the subject that the WHOLE EFFING WORLD wanted Tony and the Family Soprano to be killed, wouldn't doing that kind of crowd pleaser ending be kind of like writing a movie based on focus group results? The kind of script by demo research approach that drives most of us fraking nuts?
Nice find ripper
by antilifeequator
Jun 11th, 2007
10:02:14 AM
I think HBO is fucking us. Hard. Let the conspiracy theories begin. Was the abrupt ending not the brilliant case of open-ended blueballs half of us thought it was and the hack job the other half thought and instead a legitimate fucking corruption of HBO's broadcast due to record numbers, upped by unexpected droves of viewers renting hotel rooms just to watch, etc.?! Were we intentionally given small pieces of the puzzle to create conflicts amongst viewers over what they saw, possibly bringing about the onset of Civil War II? Probably neither of those but something is fucking fishy.
what the fuck, part 2
by bradlm
Jun 11th, 2007
10:04:09 AM
All I know is that last night about 8 million viewers all said the same thing at about the same time in a show.."WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT?" Now how long till the Sopranos movie?
Why members-only was watching Tony....
by BangoSkank
Jun 11th, 2007
10:06:25 AM
First off --despite my earlier posts-- I'm not a huge Chase fan or a rabid fan that thinks the show has no faults.... however.... No one has mentioned that Tony is a VERY public figure in NJ. On top of that, all the recent mob activity (the killings) would be all over the news. If I lived in NJ, walked into my favorite dinner and saw Tony-fucking-Soprano sitting there, I'd have my eye on him too. Just saying it's a possibility, which is how I think it was meant to be, to keep us wondering.
We just passed the 3000th
by Lone_Gunman
Jun 11th, 2007
10:21:57 AM
We just passed the 3000th post mark over on the Lost TB. Ave it!
dont stop that feelin!!
by giggsy13
Jun 11th, 2007
10:24:47 AM
Don't Stop Believin'....Is it really that simple? by Thom and Brent Meyer There I was pushing my vintage (read junker) VW Karman Ghia once again. The reason for it's engine failure escapes me, but they were many and varied. I do know the electrical system was still working because the cassette deck was providing my inspiration as I struggled to steer and power the car forward. Struggling as I came to the last turn toward home I was reenergized by one of my favorite songs, just what I needed for that extra umph. The hollow sounds of the cheap speakers played out "Don't Stop, Believin', hold onto that feelin'...". Other than the burn in my calves there was not much of a feeling to hold onto, but the song pumped me up. I guess I focused on the title words, and never really hear what surrounded them. I could sing the song, beginning to end. I could pick it up in the distance no matter what other white noise might try to hide it. The song, and the sound, were in tune to my ears, and the album was becoming a part of my life. It was not until many years later that I really listened to the song, and it wasn't even my idea. Heck, I had listened to it, and I had heard it, and I had sang along...there was nothing new to be discovered, nothing to be learned. Boy, was I wrong. At the insistence of my younger brother I had a listen, a real, close, and true listen to the song. You see, unbeknownst to me, as I was in my room playing Escape on my stereo I was cultivating another Journey fan just one room away. My younger brother, 10 years my junior, didn't have a stereo, so he had no choice but to listen to what I listened to, albeit through the wall we shared. I was 16, and he was 6, but the following albums would solidify him as a fan as enthusiastic as myself. Respecting his opinion, I listened. Let me recap a few of the lyrics for you. Just a small town Girl, livin' in a lonely world She tool the midnight train goin' anywhere Ok, not too bad. Sounds like a lonely soul looking for a home. She could be lost, she could be almost anything. What she does not seem to be is happy or content. So the song goes on: Just a city boy, born and raised in south Detroit He took the midnight train goin' anywhere This gives us even less to go on. "A city boy", but no mention as to whether his world is lonely or not. Still harmless really, though he is taking a late train to an unknown destination and seemingly without purpose. So the song continues by changing venues from the "Midnight Train" to a "Smoke Room" and presumably unites our "small town girl" and our "city boy". A singer in a smoky room The smell of wine and cheap perfume For a smile they can share the night It goes on and on and on and on Well, it seems our two potential love interests did not end up in the classiest of places, but they do seem to have found each other. Here is where you might have to read into things a bit more. If they can "share the night" for just a smile, their lives must be pretty hollow. Sure, casual sex can occur, but this seems to imply a little more. She is lonely, they were both headed nowhere, and in an instant they can use each other to try to escape their pain. The redeeming fact is that there was no mention of money so I guess she was not a prostitute and his name not "John". Next chimes in the happy chorus, and the introduction of the thought that this is not about just these two people. Rather they are just a representation of a larger set of similar people, no happier I might add: Strangers waiting up and down the boulevard Their shadows searching in the night Talk about a strong statement about lost souls! "Shadows searching the night"? That is powerful, profound, and scary. I have wanted to do a lot of things in life, but I never recall having my "Shadow search the night" being one of them. But wait there is more, these people are going to get a name, and a purpose: Streetlights, people, livin' just to find emotion Hiding, somewhere in the night Now when I hear "Streetlights, people" I think of three things. One, people walking the streets from intersection to intersection without purpose or direction. Two, I think about the monotony of a street light; red, green, yellow, red, green, yellow, red, green, yellow. Three, I think of a hooker standing on a corner waiting for someone to come along and give them something, anything, just to fill a void (Maybe an emotional one). Bring it all together and you have meandering people walking the streets in a monotonous world Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, and on and on and on and on. All without emotion, and all the while searching for it. Now here are some happy folk! The next line, "Hiding somewhere in the night", makes me wonder if they were really hiding or just hoping to be lost and forgotten. In either case, this is not the picture you see on a postcard, but it is life...it is reality for some unfortunate people. Their choice or not, you and I would certainly not want to trade our lives for theirs, nor would we envy their darkness. As the song continues we have the brief introduction of another character: Working hard to get my fill, Everybody wants a thrill Payin' anything to roll the dice, Just one more time If you take these lines literally, they seem to talk of a chronic gambler. When I attempt to interpret them, I find they can be a gambler who is perpetually down on his/her luck, or even possibly a drug addict or alcoholic looking for the next high without regard for price. This could also be a person who feels that the dice hold enough luck and they need that "one more" roll. There is always the feeling when gambling (if losing big or addicted) that if you could just have one more roll it can change everything. It is a very scary thought to be living game to game, or fix to fix, or being in the power of anything that eclipses life and controls you, as this seems to imply. Again, not something we would aspire to have, but something that is very real and surrounds us. That is if we are lucky enough to have it surround us on the periphery and not directly infiltrate our lives or the lives of a loved one. While not a lot of hope has been shown so far in the song, the next few lines seem to paint the picture of hopelessness a little clearer, possibly saying that these people are simply fulfilling their destiny: Some will win, some will lose Some are born to sing the blues Oh, the movie never ends It goes on and on and on and on Actually here is the first line that gives some hope to this bunch, "Some will win", however, how long will that last? I am assuming that this is to mean that the loneliness, monotony, and/or addictions for at least some of these people is only temporary. Eventually, some of them will find what they are searching for and/or be saved from what plagues them. And, as we knew all along, "some will lose" and never know anything more than they are experiencing now. Sad. To think ones destiny is to merely "sing the blues" is a terrible terrible thought. The only thing to make it worse is to say that their epic goes "on and on and on and on". Take something unhappy and unpleasant and then say that it will go on forever. Isn't that the description of hell? At this point we have heard all there is to hear. We have been introduced to all the players, and have had a glimpse at their never-ending stories. And we realize that none of it is really positive or good. Next there is a recap of the "Strangers waiting up and down the boulevard" and the "Streetlight people", and then finally comes the mantra: Don't Stop Believin' Hold on to that feelin' Streetlight people Oooooh ooooo ooooo oooooh Don't Stop Believin' Hold on Street light people Oooooh ooooo ooooo oooooh Don't Stop Believin' Hold on to that feelin' Street light people Could this be what they are thinking? Don't let go of that dream because that is the only thing sustaining them? Heck, I would think that the notion of a dream would have long passed. However, this is the only part of the song that I drew my inspiration from. "Don't Stop Believin'" is a directive. There is no question as to what to do here, it is simple, just "Don't Stop Believin'". However, we have been through some tough situations. We have been frankly told of their misery, their monotony, how lost they are, and even that some are in the throws of addition. Worse yet, we were told how some are simply fulfilling their destiny, and truly have no hope. Yet, in this midst of all this misery and darkness from almost nowhere comes the directive to keep going, and to have hope. What baffles me is the thought that the directive seems to mandate that they "Hold onto that feelin'". From what I can see, there is no feeling worth holding onto, nothing worth embracing. Unless for those few who "Win", and certainly not for the many who "Lose", that "Feeling" is their misery and they are not to forget it as to make their new found success and happiness that much better. I guess I would rather believe that they are to remember who they were, and that others are there as well and it is the others that should not be forgotten as society might so often do. Inspirational? Not literally. However, I must say that to this day I still hear the song and it makes me drive a little faster, smile a little bigger, and sing a little louder. I would like to be able to say it is because I find myself in a much happier place than the song seems to live, in that way it could truly be an inspiration. However, I don't think I am that complex. It is simple, the song got me and my ailing Karman Ghia home that day, and many others as well. The song took me through a break up with a for the moment High School Crush, and was still in my mind and heart when I met my now wife. The song is my friend and provided hope and inspiration time and time again, all before I ever even "listened" to it. If you miss Journey and can't wait for Arrival, go back and really listen. There are some old songs out there that you may not have ever really discovered. One might even be your favorite! I didnt write this I found it in my eternal struggle trying to decide what I think of the final episode - one side of me thinks its genius - the other side is raging that there is no closure after 8 years with the greatest programme ever to grace our screens. The more I think of it, the more I think it had to be that way - it would have been clichéd and hollow to go down other routes - Paulie ialways loved Tony never thought for a minute he would turn. After Phil is whacked what tangible enemies dies Tony have? None. It would have been a bit stupid if the russian had turned up and whacked him. Nope as hollow as the ending was, I accept it was the way it had to go down...........I cant see where a film would take the chracters, he has inditmenst hanging over him, no enemies, most of teh crew are whacked or dead, junior has completely lost it............nope I think that is the last time we shall see Mr Soprano grace our screens. RIP thanks for an amazing ride!!!
Members Only
by ZoeFan
Jun 11th, 2007
10:24:52 AM
Was meant to throw us off. I don't think it's a coincidence that Members Only's character was playing out exactly like Michael Coreleone. Everyone was thinking the same thing, "I've seen this before...Oh he's going into the bathroom, Tony's a goner." No he was simply was there to put you in Tony's world of hysteria.
Members Only
by ZoeFan
Jun 11th, 2007
10:26:06 AM
Was meant to throw us off. I don't think it's a coincidence that Members Only's character was playing out exactly like Michael Coreleone. Everyone was thinking the same thing, "I've seen this before...Oh he's going into the bathroom, Tony's a goner." No he was simply was there to put you in Tony's world of hysteria.
Sopranos Ending
by downtheriver3
Jun 11th, 2007
10:27:10 AM
..are you guys/gals in here really that stupid? The ending was obvious. Tony gets whacked. Bobby said earlier in the series that things just go black when you die. Also, the killer was waiting to for the whole family to get there to kill Tony. He wanted the whole family to see it to avenge Phil's death. When it fades to black, we are seeing things as Tony would see them since every episode is essentially through his eyes.
Tony learned from Stringer Bell; Phil didn't
by CatoTheCensor
Jun 11th, 2007
10:30:05 AM
When tony told Paulie he'd call him back "on a prepaid," I had a feeling that he'd come out on top. The fact that he learned to use "burners" speaks to his adaptabilit; I wonder if he watches the Wire? Phil clearly doesn't, or he'd know that Pay Phones are a death/indictment trap.
so fucking disappointed
by chiahead
Jun 11th, 2007
10:31:36 AM
that was completely uncalled for.
AJ - What a douche.
by PwnedByStallone
Jun 11th, 2007
10:32:03 AM
I was really hoping he would tell his family to fuck off. But in the end he just sold out to his parents again. What a little bitch he is.
This show is overrated.
by PwnedByStallone
Jun 11th, 2007
10:36:04 AM
The greatest? Please. It's entertaining and well acted and written. And I didn't really have a problem with the ending. I jsut find the show gratuitous. It's violence for violence sake. Just the fact that people and probably even actual mobsters love this show and identify with the lunatic sociopath characters scares the shit out of me.
downtheriver3
by antilifeequator
Jun 11th, 2007
10:36:07 AM
We are that fucking stupid. Thank you for enlightening us. Continue interpreting the ending for those too braindead to comprehend in whatever venues a late-to-the-dance jackoff like yourself can reach, then go fucking kill yourself.
Sopranos ending
by giggsy13
Jun 11th, 2007
10:42:18 AM
I dont think it is that obvious downtheriver - the ending is ambiguous - Bobby says things go black when you die did he??? fcuk me give the man a pulitzer prize - what fcuking colour do you think it goes when someone puts a bullet through your skull, rainbow coloured!!?? Nope I am not having that, dont think he was killed at all - I think it is open to interpretation - you are right everything is seen through his eyes. Chase used this neat little trick to turn us all into gibbering paranoid wrecks - i had tears welling up in my eyes, I thought it was going to be a family bloodbath - the feeling of dread and doom was awful after 8 years on screen with this family. Chase used our emotional investment to pull us all in and butt fcuk us. But in the cold light of day, as clever as it was for those 5 long minutes, the aftermath is there are a mixture of happy and very very irrate and dissapointed fans that feel cheated and hurt at no resolution. Stories are all about resolution and closure - simple as. EVERY story should have a resolution, what would you think if Star Wars finished with Skywalker firing a rocket down the death star hatch?? Or Lord of the rings with Frodo at the mouth of mount doom ring in hand?? The fact is after completing such a long journey with these chracters, we all deserved resolution and closure, not ambiguity. Chase is clever but not a genius, when you look at it through cold eyes it was a cheap trick that any of us could have thought up. Chase knows the viewer is heavily invested in the chracters, he knows its last ever episode, he knows everyone is expecting something major, so its not exactly rocket science to get a couple of shifty looking chracters to walk in the restaurant and make us think he is gonna get whacked. Yes it was probably the most emotional 5 minutes I have ever experienced on a TV programme, but ultimately it has left me feeling fcuking cheated, robbed, hollow and devastated. Fcuk it I weould have preferred that guy had got up and just executed them all, walked out picked up a phone and said 'its done' in Russian - at least I would not have this hollow feeling I have now. Fcuk you David Chase!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!
during the final credits: man who goes in bathroom is..
by future help
Jun 11th, 2007
10:44:46 AM
Phil's Leotardos brother. yes, Tony is dead. the end.
Phil Leotardos Brothers
by giggsy13
Jun 11th, 2007
10:46:10 AM
future help where did you get that idea / info from? Please tell me, that will answer it all, closure I need closure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Validating genius through ignorance
by An4h0ny
Jun 11th, 2007
10:53:47 AM
Chase really separated out the true fans from the people who just tune into see bullet and boobs. I enjoy the cable content myself, but holding back most of the blood spray and concrete plot developments from the final ep and the somewhat ambiguous ending were aimed squarely at alienating the casual fan, imo. If you have watched The Sopranos... really WATCHED it and observed the behavior of the characters for the past seasons then you know exactly what happened after the screen went black. It's not confusing. Ade's dead. The Russian got away. Tony's Mom will live on eternally in his mind and Feech LaManna's card game goes on forever. Fuck the haters. You deserve your frustration for selling this show short and merely expecting greatness. The Sopranos is much better than that.
Paulie F"ing Walnuts!
by Norseman1111
Jun 11th, 2007
10:58:50 AM
"You can give 2007 back to the Indians". Great line. I will miss Paulie more then the rest. The show always kicked into high gear when he was on. I had the same WTF reaction to the ending. I was watching the clock thinking 2 minutes left and we are watching Meadow Parking badly. When the screen went black I was waiting for the writing to come up saying, "Just kidding! See you next year". What a waste. That being said, the Sopranos on the whole was great but with alot of boring characters that took up to much screen time from the Boys. I don't care if they do a movie or not, but I would kill to see a Paulie Walnut's spinoff. Picture Paulie in witness protection in some little midwest town. Like "My Blue Heaven" on steroids. He could bring the cat which by the is talking to him. That show would be worth the price of HBO.
No ending could have pleased, so Chase went another way
by colivo
Jun 11th, 2007
10:59:02 AM
I still think Chase did this ending, leaving it to interpretation, with a strong sniff of Tony getting whacked as the screen turns black, because it would make EVERYONE think. If anything was obvious, Tony gets killed, Tony flips, Tony goes to jail, everyone would be saying they expected that. This ending shook the world, and I hated it at first, but the more and more I think about it, and watch it, I think it was the only way to go.
Validating genius through ignorance
by giggsy13
Jun 11th, 2007
10:59:19 AM
Getting sick of reading posts like yours, I am not a 'casual' fan I have watched every season numerous times - I am Sopranos fan, I dont watch it for hits and tits, I watch it for the fcukin drama pal. After 8 years of emotional investment you expect closure, not ambiguity - simple as.
Phil Leotardos Brother
by giggsy13
Jun 11th, 2007
11:02:47 AM
That is not his brother you prick............ Billy Leotardo Played by: Chris Caldovino Appears in: "Where's Johnny", "All Happy Families...", "In Camelot", "Unidentified Black Males", "Cold Cuts", "The Test Dream", "All Due Respect" Soldier in Phil's crew, Phil's younger brother and partner in crime. Billy killed Lorraine Calluzzo and Jason Evanina with his friend Joe Peeps. Joe was killed soon after and Billy took part in the response - a hit on Angelo Garepe. Finally, Billy himself was killed by Tony Blundetto in revenge for the death of his friend Angelo, causing lasting distress to his brother, who was wounded in the same assault.
regarding Phil Letardos brother.
by future help
Jun 11th, 2007
11:05:43 AM
iam listening to the morning radio show here in South Florida...and the DJ's are tearing it apart. (some love, some hate) well, they have it on tape and they are reporting what they see in the credits. the actor who plays Silvio has called in for an interview...he told them that a large answer lies within the credits. they checked and reported. over.
Analyze This said it best...
by jabbathegriffin
Jun 11th, 2007
11:06:49 AM
"Somebody get a dictionary and find out what this 'closure' is"
Anything who thinks Tony died...
by grendel69
Jun 11th, 2007
11:06:59 AM
Wasnt paying attention to the use of the Journey song.
Soprano The Motion Picture
by picardsucks
Jun 11th, 2007
11:11:34 AM
and starring Robert Deniro as VGERio The La Cosa Nostra Adventure is just beginning
leotardos brother
by giggsy13
Jun 11th, 2007
11:11:49 AM
is dead so was that a ghost sat on the chair that whacked him?
Hey Giggsy
by downtheriver3
Jun 11th, 2007
11:15:23 AM
..there was resolution.......like the other posters said, the man going into the bathroom was Phil's brother.......stop being ignorant and see the truth. Unfortunately, The series wasn't created to pander to idiots like you but unfortunately, some people have to be spoon-feed everything. Tony was killed.........period
Waaahhh!!! My small brain can't deal with genius! Wahhh
by Razorback
Jun 11th, 2007
11:16:36 AM
Cry babies.
NO..................
by downtheriver3
Jun 11th, 2007
11:16:42 AM
..it means the majority of people in this world are idiots and like the rest of their life, cannot figure things out using their own brain.
Anyone hoping for more...
by Coughlins Laws
Jun 11th, 2007
11:16:54 AM
Seriously, how can you say you didn't want more blood shed? How did you want it to end? That guy probably came out of the bathroom guns a blazin. Or Tony just ends up going to jail.
the song is contrary
by giggsy13
Jun 11th, 2007
11:20:16 AM
to the theory he was whacked - the song infers he carries on down the road.........ambiguity!!!!!!!! That is not Phils fcuking brother, his brother is dead!!!!!! He died before Phil for fucks sakes!!
also Giggsy
by downtheriver3
Jun 11th, 2007
11:21:29 AM
.the viewer is deserving of nothing, he mearly takes in what the writer decides to produce. Neat endings are the writing of amateurs. and Star Wars WOULD have ended with the Death Star explosion if it hadn't made any money.
The Tony gets whacked theory
by jackalcack
Jun 11th, 2007
11:23:06 AM
I just re-watched the last few seconds of the version that ends on Tony (as opposed to this other Meadow version a few people have mentioned) Here is the link... http://www.dailymotion.com/moh ymir/video/3749405 If the sudden cut to black does in fact signify Tony's death, then I would have thought the music would cut out too. It doesn't...it carries on for a few seconds on the black screen. The annoying thing is, that link cuts out mid-credits and someone said earlier that Steve Van Zandt said a big clue is in the credits. I wanna see them!
all this talk of art
by giggsy13
Jun 11th, 2007
11:24:32 AM
is utter bullshit - that wasn't art it was a cheap gimmick - and having watched the episode for a second time I can assure you that it has no ikmpact. Like I said yes was prob most emotional 5 mins have had in tv history but whats the point when it essentially leaves you hollow! I dont think it is 'artistic' - it is Chase leaveing the door open as HBO execs have told him to in case the sniff more $ to be creamed from us. The movie would be utter shite anyway!!!!!!!!!!!!
There *is* *no* *Meadow* *ending*
by ByTor
Jun 11th, 2007
11:28:57 AM
Mass hysteria, I believe it's called. I watched it live on DirecTV's east feed. I also DVR'd it from cable on a home-made DVR under myth TV. There's no way HBO could "magically alter" the DVR recording to change the ending, and oh by the way, they can't do it to your cable or satellite DVRs, either.

Your mind/imagination/whatever added that bit. Give it up.

Boo Hoo! A T.V. show didn't end the way I wanted
by TORTURE PWN
Jun 11th, 2007
11:31:06 AM
WAAA!I'm never watching HBO again!What a bunch of crybabies.Gee,if every show doesn't end the way you want you're going to run out of channels to watch.Props to Chase & co. for letting us use our imagination,and a big FUCK YOU to those with those with none to use.You deserve the discomfort.
the music cuts out
by giggsy13
Jun 11th, 2007
11:32:46 AM
when the music fade to black cuts in Neat endings are not the making of amateurs - go look at the AFI top 100 movies in history and get back to me with the number of them that have zero closure on a story. Now tell me something else, are all teh writers of the top 100 movies in history? Or are you telling me that being 'artistic' and ambiguous counts as genuis. It is not even clever is it when you think about it? Like I said Chase had millions of fans that have spent 8 years glued to these chracters - not really hard to tweak a few emotions is it. I feel like someone that has had a sick prank played on them. Chase must be laughing his tits off in his hiding place in France!!! I said it before and I will say it again - thanks for 8 years of TV heaven Chase and for the final hour - fcuk you and your cheap, obvious publicity stunt!! If Chase was truly clever he would have come up with a 'shocking' ending that no one could ever think up - instead of a cheap gag playing on our emotional investment in the chracters. Das Boot now that is how you end a film!!!!! Personally speaking if the anser is in the credits then I will be a very happy bunny - I am hoping the song is comically ironic, and that lights out is signifying his death...........
P.S.
by jackalcack
Jun 11th, 2007
11:32:58 AM
I'm sorry Francis Begbie
yes........
by downtheriver3
Jun 11th, 2007
11:33:07 AM
.......people also claimed to have seen the unedited scenes from Star Wars (Biggs,etc) at the theatres early on but they were never in ANY version of the film.......same deal!
"Man who goes in bathroom is...."
by BangoSkank
Jun 11th, 2007
11:37:32 AM
The man going into the bathroom with the members-only jacket had no ("known") connection to Phil or NY. The actors name is Paolo Colandrea a local NJ Pizza shop owner. He's never been on the show before and has no official connection to anyone else.... that we know of.
downthreriver3
by jae683
Jun 11th, 2007
11:39:02 AM
Yes they were. They were in the screener version.
Giggsy
by downtheriver3
Jun 11th, 2007
11:41:57 AM
being a top 100 AFI movie doesn't mean it is a top 100 best WRITTEN piece of all time........if Tony had clearly been shot, you would be crying like a little girl that it was too predictable. When it is not, you cry.........
Onion rings
by PwnedByStallone
Jun 11th, 2007
11:44:31 AM
That last cene had alot of religous symbolism. The onion rings not only rpresent halos in a sense but all three of them ate the onion ri9ngs by first palcing it on their tongue as if it were takign communion. Dodn't know what it menas but interesting.
Sorry Bytor
by ripper t. jones
Jun 11th, 2007
11:44:37 AM
Chech the Sopranos board. Many people say the Meadow ending. Dont know how they did it (different ending on my dvr) but they did. It's a fact. Not mass hysteria.
Put me in the minority then...
by PortnoysRevenge
Jun 11th, 2007
11:46:01 AM
I liked the ending. STill went WTF!?!? when it happened, but a show or movie's ending that makes me ponder it afterwards is a good ending. I am on the East Coast and the last shot was of Tony. Meadow was running up to the door, then to Tony looking up as the bell over the door rings, then black. If the lives of all these characters go on and they learned nothing, its fine with me. If Tony gets it from behind like Phil, its fine with me. I'm pleased with the ending.
No one cares, but..
by bib fortuna
Jun 11th, 2007
11:46:58 AM
The scene at the Raceway station was filmed about a mile from my house. I've been to the Barnes and Noble in the background many times. Anyway I'm not a regular watcher but I did want a little something more at the end. I'm not sure what, but..I guess it keeps you wanting..
This went right over the head of most talkbackers
by zizzish
Jun 11th, 2007
11:47:01 AM
we Americans just don't have what it takes anymore to talk ourselves into thinking something "boring and ambiguous" is "deep and poignant." Chase is brilliant. he got us to complain only about the ending, when really the entire episode was worthless.
Jae683
by downtheriver3
Jun 11th, 2007
11:47:54 AM
....NO....they were not....they were not in ANY VERSION.........
Onion Rings
by downtheriver3
Jun 11th, 2007
11:49:20 AM
.......God....some of you in here really need to get a life!!!!!!!!!!
downtheriver
by giggsy13
Jun 11th, 2007
11:50:22 AM
so are you suggesting that a poorly written script that is filmed nicely, has nice cinematography and decent actors makes it a decent movie? No my freind they are in the top 100 because they are well written, great stories. I am pretty convinced now that he got blasted, and the theory holds that the shooter was waiting for meadow to arrive, and the whole music cut out thing - they have NEVER ended a sopranos episode with black screen, and music cutting out. The whole Bobby everything hoes black comment, which was spoon fed to us at the end of blue comet to remind us........ I guess that will do for me. It will certainly be debated for years to come!! Fcuk me even David Lynch has closure even if it takes 2 years to work it out!!!
giggsy
by downtheriver3
Jun 11th, 2007
11:52:44 AM
.yes.....absolutely........the best WRITTEN movies aren't NECESSARILY in the AFI top 100.....some sure.......but all????? No
Ending
by downtheriver3
Jun 11th, 2007
11:55:43 AM
If Chase wanted a happy ending for everyone, he wouldn't have ended it so abruptly....that makes zero sense.
GET OVER IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by oscarbait
Jun 11th, 2007
11:56:25 AM
Art is what the artist wants it to be, not what you expect it to be. The show is about family and the road leading to the epiphany that it is his family that is most important...the only three people on earth besides Paulie that truly love him for him. TONY: "You and your brother used to run all of North Jersey" JUNIOR: "That's nice" Translation: BIG FUCKING DEAL. I'M DYING IN A MENTAL HOSPITAL AND DON'T KNOW WHO THE FUCK I AM!
If Tony was capped, the end is still cheesy...
by _Maltheus_
Jun 11th, 2007
11:57:15 AM
Cutting straight to the credits would piss people off nearly as much. It's the, "did my cable just go out factor" that pisses people off and makes this less than art. My take on it is, if a movie gets made, then Tony didn't get whacked. If no movie gets made, then he did. It was hardly an artistic decision.
..also.............
by downtheriver3
Jun 11th, 2007
11:58:41 AM
....anyone that thought their cable went out and didn't realize that was the way it was REALLY needs to go see someone....
ripper: utter nonsense
by ByTor
Jun 11th, 2007
12:02:20 PM
It's not a fact unless you can provide a screencap. It's a fact that people THINK they saw it, just as many people THINK they saw Groucho make the risque Cigar joke, and many people THINK they saw the Biggs scenes in Star Wars. But they didn't.

@downtheriver: I thought the ending was weak. Ambiguity != clever writing. Yes, it's open to interpretation. It's also easy and requires no creative effort. And stop saying that we'd be crying if they showed Tony getting shot. That's called a "straw man" argument: you claim we would make a particular argument (which is weak) and then you knock it down. It's crap.

And oh by the way, it wouldn't have had to be a graphic scene. Show some guy start to draw a weapon right before the cut, and the ending is a hundred times better.

downtheriver.......
by giggsy13
Jun 11th, 2007
12:02:44 PM
this is a stupid argumnent. My whole issue is that there are people on here suggesting that anyone that watches Sopranos for 'hits and tits' is a thick idiot who deserves the ending they got because they are 'too dumb' to figure it out. Now I dont subscribe to that - I am a film nut - David Lynch being one of my fav directors, I love challenging material that gets you thinking for days afterwards, Thing is theis last Sopranos episode has frankly just left me feeling a bit hollow. Yes the signs are there he got whacked, but the lyrics to the song suggest otherwise. I just think after 8 years and 6 seasons Chase should have tied up more loose ends then he has........over the 6 seasons he has created far too many sub plits that have never crystalised, now just to add to insult we get an ending that really doesnt tell us anything except - Tony got whacked / Tony got on with his life - its up to you the viewer and it makes for an intense 5 minutes!! Nice one Mr 'Teflon jacket' Chase I think we should accept that he had created a monster in the sopranos that could never give any fan the closure they were looking for, so instead decided to 'pass the buck' and let us endlessly debate, and summise on forums. I would be shocked if there is a movie, half the cast is dead, it would be pointless. I think this one will run and run forever.......unless of course there is any truth in the credits theory, but I dont beleive that
The tyranny and the bullshit has gone on too long
by TheUltraHumanite
Jun 11th, 2007
12:04:21 PM
/join #DeathToAICN GIVE THESE PEOPLE AIR ( i.e freedom to talk motherfucker)
Last line in Deadwood...
by PortnoysRevenge
Jun 11th, 2007
12:06:04 PM
"He wanted me to tell him something pretty." Tony said it best in the first season, "This can only end two ways, me in prison or dead." I was initally leaning toward the "Tony and family live on having learned nothing and still living their lives the same way, with Tony being paranoid". But now, I'm more in the "You don't see it coming, it just goes black" camp. Tony is dead. The End.
i agree tony is dead........
by giggsy13
Jun 11th, 2007
12:07:51 PM
the more you think it through, the music cutting out, everything going black...........it has to be. Thing is I would like to know for sure!!!!!!!!!
giggsy
by downtheriver3
Jun 11th, 2007
12:08:29 PM
...YOU ARE WRONG.....FLAT OUT.......leaving loose ends terminally loose keeps the reader/viewer questioning more things........that was the point. How do the lyrics suggest otherwise?????Bottom line is.....the ending is perfect....for Chase. He INTENDS on killing Tony and if he gets more writing gigs, he can keep him dead. If not, he can come back and say the guy missed or just wounded him or whatever.....that is the real truth
I love ambiguity and using my brain
by grendel69
Jun 11th, 2007
12:10:24 PM
....when watching a film or tv(Fav Film - 2001, fav TV show Deadwood). But I didnt see this as creative or intelligent - I saw it as lazy and unimaginative.
You sir, have just reinforced the fact (in your post)..
by stereochad
Jun 11th, 2007
12:11:14 PM
..that you truly are a douche (I won't repeat your name, as I'm sure that would just give you a rush). "guess you didnt watch the clip i posted"? No we didn't, we are all too busy paying attention to the production of people who are cliche'd. Good Morning All!
ByTor
by downtheriver3
Jun 11th, 2007
12:12:10 PM
@downtheriver: I thought the ending was weak. That is why you aren't a screenwriter Yes, it's open to interpretation. No, it's not It's also easy and requires no creative effort. And stop saying that we'd be crying if they showed Tony getting shot. That's called a "straw man" argument: you claim we would make a particular argument (which is weak) and then you knock it down. It's crap. It's not crap it is the truth.......
the theme of the song.....
by giggsy13
Jun 11th, 2007
12:12:27 PM
is life keeps rollin on and on and on..............despite it being pretty fucked up but the song cuts out pure and simple, indicating he gets shot when will all you artsy crowd just accept that Chyase is a bottler and has taken the easy way out passing the buck to us to figure it out. That is not a clever artistic decision, it is just a fucking cop out!!!!!!! Its like Van Gough saying ere mate can you paint some flowers for me, i will sign the fucker!!! fuck you david chase!!!!!!!!!
This Ending Will Be Debated Forever
by LordKensington
Jun 11th, 2007
12:12:32 PM
No, it won't. A few days from now, no one will even be thinking about it anymore.
Some of you are a buncha whiny tittybabies...
by Pagliacci
Jun 11th, 2007
12:13:37 PM
Gee, thanks David Chase for creating the best television show EVER. And because we don't like five minutes of ambiguity in the very last episode, we are going to bitch and moan like the worthless fucks we are.
hey downtheriver3
by ByTor
Jun 11th, 2007
12:14:25 PM
If your argument is that the real point of the ending was to leave it open for future potential commercial ventures, then fine -- I certainly buy that. (I don't like it. But I buy it.)

But if you are going to argue that it's a good ending from a creative perspective, then I respectfully disagree. It's weak. Please, everyone else, note that there is a huge gap between "no ending" and "wrapped in a bow," and I would've have preferred something somewhere in that gap.

..if that is the theme of the song.....
by downtheriver3
Jun 11th, 2007
12:14:42 PM
..who are you to say that it doesn't fit Tony being killed. It could be referring to the REST of the family rollin on and on...and maybe in a better place actually with him gone.......
people who aren't cliche'd
by stereochad
Jun 11th, 2007
12:15:40 PM
Damn!
best show ever
by giggsy13
Jun 11th, 2007
12:16:08 PM
i already said thanks david chase for 8 years of tv heaven, but fuck you david chase for the biggest bottler 5 minutes i have ever witnessed................total lack of creative juices flowing in that 5 minutes - just a cheap gag, playing on our emotional investment.
You don't think the ending was shocking?
by Coughlins Laws
Jun 11th, 2007
12:16:38 PM
Look at the response it's getting. Seems everyone was shocked, and a lot of people outraged. The ending to me was the guy came out of the bathroom and shot Tony in the head. Like other people said, this entire series has been from Tony's POV, there has been heavy foreshadowing the entire run, Tony remembers telling Bobby that you usually don't see it coming, you just go to black, we saw another Mob Boss get shot in the head who never saw it coming. It seems pretty obvious to me. For those of you who don't believe that's what happenned, he's going to jail for the rest of his life. You happy?
to Bytor
by downtheriver3
Jun 11th, 2007
12:16:48 PM
I am not necessarily saying I love the ending, but by the standards of today's writing for tv, it is very creative. That cannot be argued. If you disagree, I suggest you watch a few more TV shows. If you just don't like it, sure that is your choice.
downtheriver3 (again)
by ByTor
Jun 11th, 2007
12:18:04 PM
Are you sure I'm not a screenwriter? In any case, I don't have to be a screenwriter to critique a screenplay/teleplay. Or understand it. Suggesting otherwise is weak, and it implies that the viewer must have writing experience to "get" it. On the contrary: good writing may take intelligence to understand, but if only other writers can truly understand it, then it's bad.
Mr. Profit
by Mr. Profit
Jun 11th, 2007
12:18:22 PM
The last shot I saw was of Meadow as well. Not paranoia. I just looked at my DVR again and after Meadow comes in and makes a face the cut to black happens.
Very nice ending indeed
by shuttrbug2k1
Jun 11th, 2007
12:19:11 PM
David Chase, creator of Sopranos, wrote and directed the amazing series finale of this landmark TV series. It ended the only way it really could. The tension built up in the last 5 minutes in the diner just shows you what Tony Sopranos live is really like. He has to live in fear of everyone he sees. The scene of Meadow running across the street had you thinking she would be run down and a car speeds by just behind her. As each family member walks into the diner separately, someone else comes in too. Are they tailing them? Are they setting up for a major hit of the entire family? You just don't know. Having Journey's Don't Stop Believing playing was epic. Cuts to the trucker with the USA cap, the young couple on the date, the cub scouts in the back booth. The episode was called Made in America...get it (made as in Mafia made) but also the American way/dream. The America of a diner, onion rings, rock music, ....just simply brilliant. Question though, the FED agent that gave Tony the info...what does it mean when he said "We're gonna win!"?
fuck david chase
by giggsy13
Jun 11th, 2007
12:19:33 PM
i'll say it again fuck david chase!!!!!!!!
You gotta admit Pauley is the best supp. character
by colivo
Jun 11th, 2007
12:19:36 PM
The man is gold whenever he speaks, and is the funniest on the show along with Christopher. How fitting that he survived out the original mobsters. Sil, Christopher, Big P, Pauley Walnuts, the only non-family man with no kids, no wife and no one to go home with, stands there at the end with the cat staring at him.
downtheriver3 (yet again)
by ByTor
Jun 11th, 2007
12:20:11 PM
Now we agree. Is it more creative than the vast amount of what passes for "writing" on TV? Hell yes. But for something that has hit the highs that the Sopranos has achieved at times, that's a pretty weak bar to set, don't you think?
What a rip-off.
by phaedrus007
Jun 11th, 2007
12:22:29 PM
That finale was a complete disappointment. No disrespect to Mirajeff there, but Chase simply outsmarted himself. He was determined to avoid giving the audience what they guessed would happen (which pretty much covered every possibility) and he accomplished this by giving us nothing at all. The theme of the patterns going on is simply not deep or emotionally engaging. We were teased with dozens with dozens of potentially interesting storylines that never paid off a dime. Oh well, whatever. I've been watching the first few seasons on DVD and they're like a completely different show. A much, much better show than the mess Chase let things become over the last few years. We'll have those seasons.
To Bytor
by downtheriver3
Jun 11th, 2007
12:22:30 PM
....i certainly HOPE you aren't one but not totally sure.....you are making statements you cannot possibly prove...what "facts" show that only writers understood it??????You are right that you don't have to be a writer to critique other writers...but, you know what teeth are and what to do with them, but I don't think I will be visiting you any time soon for a cleaning!!!
colivo: paulie rocks
by ByTor
Jun 11th, 2007
12:23:36 PM
Paulie Walnuts consistently broke me up. His mannerisms, his lines, his lunatic character, his hair...I agree. Gold. The whole bit with the cat was incredible. You could sort of tell that Tony wasn't nuts (as it were) about giving Paulie the big promotion (what with Paulie's obvious shortcomings), but nobody else was left.

Give 2007 back to the Indians. Classic.

And to whoever said Ralph Cifaretto's characater
by Coughlins Laws
Jun 11th, 2007
12:23:46 PM
is when The Sopranos jumped the shark, you're just an asshole. Name me a more interesting or memorable character the show has produced besides Tony himself? I know, everyone's tastes are unique. But if you didn't like Ralphie, you suck.
I disagree
by downtheriver3
Jun 11th, 2007
12:24:13 PM
...something can be of quality even if I don't like it........
Can we at least all agree that Hunter is still fugly?
by tonagan
Jun 11th, 2007
12:25:23 PM
Her reappearance may have been the most startling event of the episode.
I've never missed one episode
by liljuniorbrown
Jun 11th, 2007
12:26:29 PM
I'm a die hard fan, but between Chase's dumb ass two year breaks between seasons and constant "fucking with us " mentality, I'm no fan of his. I 've read countless interviews with the cast and Mr. Chase and if you follow the timeline you can see in Chase someone who went from wanting the show to catch on with fans and being somewhat humble of his first breakout series to an arrogant dick head who feels like since he "owns" the Sopranos and created it ,the fans should just shut up and be happy he's giving them anything at all. Think i'm lying? Just check out his interviews in Entertainment weekly, GQ, TV Guide and many more. As far as the ending goes I think he just wanted to create controversy and have one last FU to the fans and detractors.
downtheriver3 again
by ByTor
Jun 11th, 2007
12:28:38 PM
I never stated that only writers could understand it -- far from it. But when I criticized the ending, you stated I wasn't a screenwriter and asked how many top shows I had in my IMDB entry.

From that I inferred that you meant I would appreciate the ending if only I were a professional screenwriter, and to that I say that you shouldn't have to be a pro to appreciate it.

From a creative standpoint, it would've been a lot harder to actually deliver a payoff to six seasons and, especially, those final five minutes of tension without resorting to a cliche. A great writer could do it. Chase chose not to. Whether that's because he couldn't, or didn't want to, scarcely matters.

We're gonna win means..
by ZoeFan
Jun 11th, 2007
12:28:39 PM
The FED agent is a mobster wanna be. That's what that meant. That was based off a real case (if can believe that).
Sorry Bytor cont.
by ripper t. jones
Jun 11th, 2007
12:31:02 PM
Don't try and tell me what I saw or didnt see. The last shot before black was of Meadow from Tonys pov. That was the feed I and many others got. Deal.
ripper
by ByTor
Jun 11th, 2007
12:32:30 PM
You can believe what you like. I will continue to believe that you misremember until you can demonstrate otherwise.
If you hate the ending of THE SOPRANOS...
by TORTURE PWN
Jun 11th, 2007
12:33:18 PM
I'll bet you REEEEALLY hate John Carpenter's movies then.God forbid you use your own fucking imagination instead of being spoonfed.But I guess that would explain your incessant crying like little infants.Go drink your ba-ba and go ni-night,fucking crybabies.
ending does have resolution
by tha plow
Jun 11th, 2007
12:34:39 PM
just as much as any other of my favorite movies. the endings are open to interpretation as to what comes next: fight club, true romance, american psycho. the climax wasn't in two minutes, it was spread out through the episode. new jersey takes over, tony lives. most large budget features of any genre will leave it open to revisit. there is always an opportunity for more money. and lots of it. i have no problem with that. some of us by now can discern good from crap. are you going to be complaining if there is a movie down the road, or will you be first in line? at least the ending was original. i enjoyed being tricked.
ByTor
by downtheriver3
Jun 11th, 2007
12:34:57 PM
I think you inferred incorrectly. What I meant was, if you were a writer of any kind, you would have a better basis for being a critic. I don't think Chase was trying to create a narrative for a writing class but for the general public. I wouldn't critique a ballerina because I know nothing about ballet. If I say I don't like it, I can certainly do that but if I start to tell her how she could have done it better, I have no credibility.
torture pwn
by ByTor
Jun 11th, 2007
12:35:37 PM
You're right. Why should we expect the film or show to do all the work? Hell, why have it do any of the work? We should stop being lazy bastards and just imagine the entire thing.

Imbecile.

Oh,and Chase didn't give us "nothing"
by TORTURE PWN
Jun 11th, 2007
12:35:47 PM
he gave us EVERYTHING.You just have to fill in the blank.
I think the title says it all...
by Coughlins Laws
Jun 11th, 2007
12:35:59 PM
He was 86'd! If you've ever worked in a restaurant, you know what that means. The only thing I didn't like is how Butchie there totally did a 180 on dealing with Tony. He's always hated his guts even more than Phil. I guess he just ended up taking over. But, I'd like to know what series finales you guy's are talking about that's given closure like a movie. Anyone have an answer for me? Cheers? Seinfeld? L.A. Law? Magnum P.I.? What series finale wrapped up every loose end?
We all should have seen Carlo being a rat coming...
by Blud
Jun 11th, 2007
12:36:46 PM
After all, he said he was taking oxycodone for a root canal in the episode where Christopher shot J.T. Oxycodone is the same drug Pussy was taking for his back when the F.B.I. were shadowing him.
Ending
by downtheriver3
Jun 11th, 2007
12:37:09 PM
Just as if SW 1 was the only film of the series, DV would not be Luke's father and Leai would not be his sis, Tony is dead unless Chase has a follow-up that shows different.
Thank you by the plow
by ZoeFan
Jun 11th, 2007
12:37:36 PM
Now if every complainer would just read your post.
Whatever,ByTor..
by TORTURE PWN
Jun 11th, 2007
12:38:33 PM
God forbid you use your brain,either for one episode of a TV show,or replying in a talkback.
Holy Grail?
by irish_guy
Jun 11th, 2007
12:38:33 PM
The ending reminded me of the end of Monty Python's Holy Grail - that one looked like the film reel ran out before the end, but how else could you end it . . . The ambiguous ending for the Soprano's series is appropriate - I really didn't want to see the family as blood-soaked corpses, but seeing him walk away scott free (like Henry Hill in Goodfellas) would be unsatisfying, too. This ending lets you insert your own life view - does Tony deserve justice or a chance at redemption. It would be interesting to see a survey on who thinks each of the alternatives happened - it would be a gauge of how cynical people have become.
Deadwood Fans
by Fernwick_
Jun 11th, 2007
12:40:26 PM
Ok, ok ok, i gotta say this before i lost my mind. Deadwood isnt done yet. It WAS cancelled but we given a chance for closure. Not a full season but was given four two hour episodes to wrap up the series. This isnt Angel where we dont know what the hell happened.
Of course we (fans) have always known that Chase
by stereochad
Jun 11th, 2007
12:41:42 PM
doesn't like tying up loose ends. This doesn't mean that his distaste (for conventional satisfaction) should have got in the way of his providing us with a little more insight into the condition that he was always allegedly fascinated with. Instead, he simply proved by his hollow ending that he didn't have any more insight into that condition than the majority of us (non artists). Besides, why keep defending his puritanical motivations? Has he not capitulated to convention several times over the years (in his saga)? We (the audience) are not to be looked down upon, simply because we all held our breath hoping for him to reward our faith with something a little more profound than "you fill in the blanks". This was us simply being optimistic. As an aside, I felt that Six Feet Under (among varied other tales) was just as effective at showing us our sorry condition (during it's entire run) while still providing a cathartic release (of it's characters) at the end (Prius commercial and all). Is the whore (who, by the way, is dressed up like a bike messenger, as opposed to a more conventional harlot) "massages" you ever so subtly, until she finally reaches down, tugs on you with great tension for about 5 minutes, then (prior to happiness), lets you imagine your own ending, a legitimate artist? Then again, what do I know? I have been known to cry at funerals.
downtheriver3
by ByTor
Jun 11th, 2007
12:42:03 PM
I take your point. However, if you had been a fan of the ballet for many years, and had seen many of the greats perform, surely you could offer an informed opinion on a particular performance?

It's the same here. Many viewers have been watching film and TV for a long time, and many have potentially even studied creative writing to a greater or lesser extent. Informed critiques can be given even by those without professional sales.

In that vein, I criticize the ending of this show. Without commenting on whether I've ever sold any writing professionally, I think I have a basis for offering a critique. Bottom line: I never expected the loose ends to all be tied up (because that's bad writing, IMO) and I never expected a Scarface ending or some other cliche.

I just expected *something*.

torture pwn
by ByTor
Jun 11th, 2007
12:43:52 PM
But if I used my brain when replying to you, how would you know what I was talking about?

See, anyone can argue with insults.

Tony's gets killed. Period. Right to black.
by Coughlins Laws
Jun 11th, 2007
12:46:52 PM
I don't see why that was so hard for people to get. He even said it in the previous episode that he would die like that.
Ballet
by downtheriver3
Jun 11th, 2007
12:49:18 PM
Maybe.....but not necessarily....since you never had done it, your opinion probably will never equal someone who has done it or been involved in it, no matter how deep a casual observer you are. A better analogy is football. People comment on what teams SHOULD have done and what coaches SHOULD have done just because they have watched numerous games in their life. Sure their opinion means something but unless you have played, one will never REALLY know....or understand.
Orange
by Praetorius
Jun 11th, 2007
12:52:15 PM
Nobody has mentioned that Tony ate an orange near the beginning of the episode. In the Godfather we all know what that means... Does it have any significance in this episode or is it another red herring?
Music and Blackness
by Mooly
Jun 11th, 2007
12:52:39 PM
In the version I saw, which I taped to rewatch because I thought my cable went out, the music stops the second the screen goes black. It does NOT continue, not even for a second. The door rings, Tony looks up, the song gets to "don't stop" and then both the music and the scene cut out.
You people are reading way too far into this
by Jak0lantern01
Jun 11th, 2007
12:53:47 PM
I really don't think Tony got clipped. I just think the whole thing was designed to demonstrate the paranoia of his life. Still think it was a good ending. If he were to get clipped, they would have shown it for the sake of closure. Gotta love the fact they left it open for the imagination (and a possible movie run).
OK ByTor...
by TORTURE PWN
Jun 11th, 2007
12:54:15 PM
Imbecile.
JakoLantern
by downtheriver3
Jun 11th, 2007
12:56:37 PM
Idiots usually think what they want despite the facts........
ballet and football
by ByTor
Jun 11th, 2007
12:56:43 PM
downtheriver3: I'm glad you used that analogy, because it's, IMO, one of the classic false assumptions.

Have you never watched a football game and listened to the color commentator, invariably an ex-player, and thought to yourself, "You know, I could really enjoy the game if that idiot would just shut up?"

The best example I can think of is actually a baseball one: Joe Morgan. Hall of fame second baseman. One of the all-time greats, no doubt. But the guy just doesn't have a clue, and he barely understands the game he played. He buys into all the old assumptions and so-called "common knowledge" about the sport. Not only does he not challenge any of that; he decries others who make the attempt. He's a moron, and there are legions of people who've never played professionally who can offer a much more intelligent opinion on baseball strategy than he can.

Most of the time when a coach or player says, "Well, you've never played the game so you don't really understand," it's just an excuse to cover a dumb-ass decision.

re: Billy Leotardo
by Blud
Jun 11th, 2007
12:58:00 PM
Downtheriver, it was not Phil's brother going into the bathroom because Billy Leotardo was killed by Tony B. Spoonfed??? Sounds like you missed a meal somewhere, because it was a large part of Season 5 with Tony Blundetto going into business for himself and killing Billy, which sent Phil and Johnny Sack into a rage trying to hunt him down. Not to mention Phil celebrated his dead brother's birthday with relatives just a few short episodes ago. And to ByTor, I don't give a fuck what you're skeptical about. I know what I saw. Where I live, the shot ended on Meadow about to enter the diner.
Why am I not angry?
by PortnoysRevenge
Jun 11th, 2007
12:58:07 PM
I don't get it. I liked the ending. Maybe I need therapy. I will tell you one thing...if they make a movie, then I WILL be pissed and angry. Oh..Deadwood ain't coming back. Mark my words. We are being lied to inorder for us not to cancel HBO. I'm still cancelling this week, now that the Sopranos is over.
Stop comparing movie endings to tv series endings
by Thunderbolt Ross
Jun 11th, 2007
12:58:26 PM
It's retarded. They are totally different forms of storytelling. Comparing AFI's top 100 to a fucking 6 season television show makes zero sense. What was the story that was ending? There was no story, it's a series of stories. That's the kind of show it was.
ByTor
by downtheriver3
Jun 11th, 2007
12:59:40 PM
I think you have it a little backward.......when an idiot gets up there and says he is right BECAUSE he played the game, than yes, I agree. But if you have 2 people, one played and one didn't, and both are doing analysis, and both are of about equal intellect, the one who didn't play can NEVER carry an equal conversation.
Blud
by downtheriver3
Jun 11th, 2007
01:02:01 PM
I never CONFIRMED it was his brother, just repeating what I heard. But it NOT being his brother (even if it could be) makes more sense anyway.
downtheriver3
by ByTor
Jun 11th, 2007
01:02:20 PM
I would argue that if both are very intelligent that the difference, in many ways, can be so small as to not matter. But I fear we shall have to agree to disagree on this.
blud
by ByTor
Jun 11th, 2007
01:03:11 PM
That's fine. You're welcome to your belief. People believe all kinds of nutty things. Hey, it's a free country and all that.
Blud
by downtheriver3
Jun 11th, 2007
01:03:12 PM
and you are wrong.......the shot ended with Tony looking up from the table....not that it matters either way.
What facts are we talking about?
by Jak0lantern01
Jun 11th, 2007
01:03:54 PM
And who are you referring to as 'idiots'?
Here's further proof it's all a mindfuck...
by SuperBurgerBat
Jun 11th, 2007
01:04:35 PM
The song being played at the start of the diner scene is "All That You Dream" by Little Feat. FUCKING BRILLIANT. Maybe he got shot. Maybe he didn't. But it was one hell of ride.
Bytor
by downtheriver3
Jun 11th, 2007
01:04:37 PM
that is what people who DIDNT play think.......but you are right in many ways it wouldn't matter....but with any in-depth coverage, it always matters.
Mystical Sopranos
by The Alienist
Jun 11th, 2007
01:05:49 PM
Okay, if Tony gets shot at the end and there is "nothing" that flies in the face of some of the supernatural implications Chase has depicted, most dealing with the afterlife (let alone Livia's "there's nothing..." comment). The biggest example is in the First or Second season where Paulie confronts a psychic who sees the room full of the dead that Paulie has whacked. No way the psychic could have known the specifics of these secret kills, how they looked, what they wore, etc. It was clear Chase wanted us to believe this was real. Also, I'm pretty sure the cat was Adrianna...
Credits
by downtheriver3
Jun 11th, 2007
01:06:33 PM
Can anyone confirm what SVZ was referring to by saying the truth lies in the credits? (if he even said that to begin with)
thunderbolt............
by giggsy13
Jun 11th, 2007
01:07:16 PM
the argument is about closure - some of us wanted it - some of us are happy without it. I get a sneak suspicion all these people championing and defending david 'teflon jacket' chase 'artistic' decision to pass the fcuking buck onto the viewer, really deep deep down would have preferred a conclusion to the 6 seasons of drama............... If I want to write my own stories I will do a script writing course, but while I am not I wouldnt mind after 86 epsisodes a bit of fuckingf closure, not an ambiguous 'maybe we can do a movie, maybe not' cliffhanger Chase is a major bottler, and most people agree...........forums are raging its not what people wanted from the ending. Millions of people feel cheated and ripped off, and a few of you artsy types are defending Chase and his artistic license to peddle a completel unsatisfactory ending to the 'saga' fcuk me roll in season 7 - starting with Aidriana waking up from her 'terrible dream' with Chrissie in the shower......... fcuk you David Chase!!!!!!!!!
Cat
by downtheriver3
Jun 11th, 2007
01:07:55 PM
The cat was atracted to "rats", nothing to do with Ad.
Tony Lives On
by LazarusRevival
Jun 11th, 2007
01:09:02 PM
TONY is NOT dead. I agree with a lot of people, that it was simply an epic and tragic sense of Tony’s life condensed in 5 minutes. The paranoia of getting whacked or getting arrested (because someone flipped) always looming over his head. Besides, why would Tony get whacked when there was a truce between New Jersey and New York during the sit down with Carmine? When Phil got killed, New York is left with no leadership or direction, and if Tony gets it, there is no leadership in New Jersey. There would be chaos, and that would be bad for business. It wouldn’t make sense. Also, usually when someone gets killed in the movies or television, the screen goes white, not black. Tony lives on with the burden of death, incarceration, and incompetence.
t-ross
by tha plow
Jun 11th, 2007
01:09:42 PM
good point. but a story is a story nonetheless whether it is war and peace or a shel silverstein. they all have origins and conclusions. there is no set way that any one of these mediums has to end. and why can't we compare the two?
The Sopranos season finale...
by BillyPilgrim
Jun 11th, 2007
01:11:51 PM
Was a cautionary tale. Don't trust cats that stare at pictures of dead people! Don't park you SUV on a pile of leaves! Put your SUV in park when you are stopped at a gas station! Don't order the onion rings!
As long as there isn't a movie, I can live with this
by colivo
Jun 11th, 2007
01:15:13 PM
If Chase does a movie, or some spin off, then the ending is a total cheat and I will lose all respect for all the foreshadowing the audience is doing to try to figure this ending out. If The Sopranos ended on June 10th, 2007, then I say David Chase pulled the greatest ending of all endings, maybe this was the show about nothing.
Can we at least have a Paulie spin-off?
by Cletus Van Damme
Jun 11th, 2007
01:17:31 PM
Him chasing cats and telling people to shut up and sit down. Let the man have some fun!
Somebody just sent me this
by Hercules
Jun 11th, 2007
01:21:39 PM
OK, at first I was really angry. I mean really, really angry. I can't believe though that no-one has posted by now what happened. The only thing I saw that was right, was that in the last scene we are seeing through Tony's eyes. Remember when he was speaking with Bobby...basically saying that you don't see it happening?

So here is what I found out. The guy at the bar is also credited as Nikki Leotardo. The same actor played him in the first part of season 6 during a brief sit down concerning the future of Vito. That wasn't that long ago. Apparently, he is the nephew of Phil. Phil's brother Nikki Senior was killed in 1976 in a car accident. Absolutely Genius!!!! David Chase is truly rewarding the true fans who pay attention to detail.

So the point would have been that life continues and we may never know the end of the Sopranos. But if you pay attention to the history, you will find that all the answers lie in the characters in the restaurant.

The trucker was the brother of the guy who was robbed by Christopher in Season 2. Remember the DVD players? The trucker had to identify the body. The boy scouts were in the train store when bobby got shot last week and the black guys at the end were the ones who tried to kill Tony and only clipped him in the ear (was that season 2 or 3?). Car jack episode

Absolutely incredible!!!! There were three people in the restaurant who had reason to kill Tony and then it just ends. This was Chase's way of proving that he will not escape his past. It will not go on forever despite that he would like it to "don't stop". Not the fans!!! Tony would like it to keep going but just as we have to say goodbye, so does he. No more Tony and I guess we are supposed to be happy that Meadow didn't get clipped as well (she would have been between the shooter and Tony) since she is the only one worth a crap in that family.

Thank you David Chase for making it so obscure that I feel bad for hating you at first. Absolutely amazing!!!!
The ending I saw
by RedEyeDistrict
Jun 11th, 2007
01:21:57 PM
had Tony lean back in his chair with a look of worry and pain on his face. He grabs his gut and does that "oh" thing he does while Carm and AJ ask whats wrong. Tony then rips the biggest longest fart in TV history, much to Carm's dismay and AJ's delight. Meadow comes in, asks whats that smell. Phil's zombified brother comes out of the bathroom, lights a match and BOOM!! it cuts to black and roll credits. But really though, Phil's brother has been dead for a while now so anybody believing that he was the bathroom guy needs to hop back on the short bus and pull their heads outta their asses.
Cut to Black = SUCK
by condemno
Jun 11th, 2007
01:23:47 PM
It was a CUT, and so ill placed I thought my cable went out. At the time I said it was the worst ending of all endings, then the old lady reminded me of Episode III.
Herc: well now
by ByTor
Jun 11th, 2007
01:26:43 PM
If that's really the case...then I retract my criticism. Now I've gotta go re-watch the episode and fire up IMDB.
Thanks, Herc!
by Cletus Van Damme
Jun 11th, 2007
01:28:15 PM
Time for a re-watch.
TV Series That Provided Closure In The Finale....
by Mr. Profit
Jun 11th, 2007
01:28:39 PM
Six Feet Under. SFU tied up all the loose ends from the series, and even showed you how everyone dies in the future in a scene that could have been really awful, but it wasn't and it worked very well. It was one of the best finales ever IMO. The Sopranos finale was good. But I wanted more. Call me greedy, but hey I loved this show very much.
Herc
by Jak0lantern01
Jun 11th, 2007
01:29:08 PM
Pretty cool. It also, to me, proves Tony did not get whacked. Obviously symbolic. You can only screw over, murder, cheat, or rob enough people before it catches up to you. But to say any single person in that shop was there to kill Tony would be too far fetched with ALL of them just happening to be there. Great way to end it though. Thanks for pointing that out.
Has the tied turned favorable at your workplace?
by colivo
Jun 11th, 2007
01:29:31 PM
EVERY person came in this morning pissed off at the ending, but as all of us sat there and analyzed, talked about it, and try to figure what the hell happened, many of us are starting to love it, or atleast like. Sure there are still a few 'it sucked' in my workplace, but I still say if it was the usual 'closure' type ending that 99% of the shows do, there wouldn't be this much talk about it, and I think we will be talking about this for YEARSSSSS!
Die Sopranos talkback, DIE
by EdRyder
Jun 11th, 2007
01:29:58 PM
Mass cancelations?I spoke about this earlier in the season.Where it seemed like everything that was up and coming was garbage.After watching John from Cincinati,Im gonna stick around for awhile.(dont forget Bill Maher)The point Id like to make goes like this :Who gives a fuck?Why do we care who watches what?Different strokes for different strokes..Some like Greys Anatomy,its pointless to tell those strokes that Galactica is an amazing show.I for one was totaly satisfied with the finale.Il be even more satisified when these talkbacks are finished.Pound for pound Sopranos talkbacks have been the most infuriating.Its apparent not just here,but all across the web certain people just wanted this show to be what THEY wanted it to be rather than accept it for what it was.Yet they kept coming back for more,always watching,always posting, but never satisfied.
Pretty sure I saw Meadow as last shot
by mattysan
Jun 11th, 2007
01:31:23 PM
My girlfriend and I watched the episode when it played at 9 PM on the east coast. After she went to bed, I wanted to watch the ending one more time, so I went to On Demand and fast forwarded to the ending. When it ended on Tony, I felt confused because I could have sworn the last shot was of Meadow coming in through the door and then the fade to black. I went to bed thoroughly confused. This morning, I looked on here and at Boston.com, and sure enough, other people claim to have seen a last shot of Meadow. Here is a link to boston.com where someone mentions seeing Meadow before the cut to black http://tinyurl.com/2rurl7 I then called my gf this morning and simply asked her what she remembered as the last shot and she quickly answered "Meadow walking in. Why?" Maybe I should go see Dr. Melfi, or is something weird going on? I usually don't imagine shit like this and I rarely post here. I noticed a few other weird cuts last night. One happened at the meeting between Tony and Phil's guys, and then another one when Tony first walks into the diner and they made it seem like he was seeing himself sitting down....I thought at the time "here we go, alter ego from the coma episodes bullshit" but that turned out to not be the case. Also, they worked up a lot of weird Paulie behavior in the last two episodes. In Blue Comet, he speeds off in his CTS after they setup the Italian hitmen, and in the last episode, he made a very strange face after a discussion with Tony (I forget exactly when). With the cat coming into the picture, catching rats, and the cat seeming to take an interest in Paulie (when he's sitting outside Satriale's), I had the feeling the cat was supposed to be Christopher, and he is trying to send Tony a message about Paulie. Notice also, Tony's luck is turning shitty again after the cat makes its appearance.
Hey, I'll say it again....
by Mr. Profit
Jun 11th, 2007
01:32:43 PM
At least the last shot wasn't a shot of a grown up Tommy Westphall shaking the fake snow inside of a Bada Bing snow globe. Some stupid bitch was on WABC News screaming that she feels like she wasted 6 years of her life. What a fucking retard. Like David Chase owes her dumb ass anything.
herc if you were a woman i would want sex woith you
by giggsy13
Jun 11th, 2007
01:33:05 PM
closure!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thank you god, i am sitting down with missus to watch right now, she has just got back from work - after she has ranted and raved and she will - i will show her your post herc i love u!!!!!! fcuk you artsy crowd closure closure closure!!!!!!!!!!!
This is why it was a great episode
by Jak0lantern01
Jun 11th, 2007
01:36:40 PM
EVERYONE IS TALKING ABOUT IT! That's the point of the ending. No real closure and drive everyone up the wall.
Hey Jak
by downtheriver3
Jun 11th, 2007
01:37:19 PM
The killer(s) just didn't HAPPEN to be there....if you recall, Carm mentions they are going there earlier in the day so someone could know beforehand. Even if that wasn't the case, they could be easily followed. Do you think for every hit that goes down the gunman just HAPPENS to be there????
No giggsy13, fcuk you
by tk 421
Jun 11th, 2007
01:39:48 PM
For being a lowbrow schmuck who has to have his art spoonfed to him.
I don't think that was the point though
by Jak0lantern01
Jun 11th, 2007
01:41:09 PM
I don't think that they were there for a sense of literal or immediate danger. I think it was more of a reflective moment. The show has always had moments or episodes where they dabbled in the surreal. All those people there out to get Tony at the same time? Way too preposterous.
Re: "...Sopranos talkback..."
by C00L DUD3
Jun 11th, 2007
01:41:13 PM
Here, here; EdRyder...here, here...
fcuk you tk 421
by giggsy13
Jun 11th, 2007
01:43:19 PM
where did you get the quaint idea that art is lack of closure? Closure is art, anything is art, thats the point of art..... I like my art produced by artists, not left to produce it myself. I thought chase had passed the buck, now it appears not, I am not the only fan that will be relieved
IMDB
by movimn
Jun 11th, 2007
01:48:05 PM
There is no Nikki Leotardo anywhere on imdb, the guy in the members only jacket has no credits on imdb, the black guys at the jukebox are no where on imdb. In regards to the guy going to the toilet and then coming back out to kill Tony, or Tony getting killed by the black guys doesn't go with the show. All the other hits on the show, the killers would just walk up, shoot and take off, not lollygag around and wait to make the hit.
if leotardos nephew killed him the
by giggsy13
Jun 11th, 2007
01:51:49 PM
story fits fine, he was waiting for meadow to turn up, comes out the toilet sees she has walked in - bang - goodnight thanks you mr chase
exactly what I expected, and nothing like I expected
by DirkD13"
Jun 11th, 2007
02:00:16 PM
Look at the TB it inspired, whether you love that ending, hate it or are somewhere in betweeen you have to admire Chase's chutzpah. I personally feel massively let down AND completely satisfied. My head's swimming with all the possibilties, and that's gotta be better than some sort of pat ending. And Paulie's ringtone had me laughing out loud.
sorry Herc
by ByTor
Jun 11th, 2007
02:07:37 PM
But your theory doesn't pan out.

As others have pointed out, the guy in the Members Only jacket (Paolo Colandrea) never played anyone on the show before. He's a guy who was spotted in a Jersey pizza place and was used just for his look.

Most of the others in the diner have no previous credits of any kind. One of the two African-American kids has some previous credits, but nothing on Sopranos.

So we're back to a "nothing" ending, alas.

movimn, you imbecile!
by downtheriver3
Jun 11th, 2007
02:08:52 PM
...the killer waited because he wanted the whole family to see Tony die. That is the whole point of waiting for Meadow to get there. So the whole family is there. Not rocket science here folks!
No, it still SUCKED
by B Arthur
Jun 11th, 2007
02:09:43 PM
Youre telling me I have to search through the credits (Which zoom by really fast) or go on IMDB.com and search for "Suspicious Bar Patron #1" to find out David Chase is a genius? Come on! How ridiculous are you going to get? A bad ending to a series is a bad ending!
B Arthur
by downtheriver3
Jun 11th, 2007
02:11:25 PM
no, you don't have to do anything...........and IMDB would not have it anyway
no it didnt suck........
by giggsy13
Jun 11th, 2007
02:12:48 PM
chase knows that the moden world, the people that really give a shit will be talking on forums, talking at work etc etc sooner or later everyone that gives a shit about sopranos will know the truth behind the ending.
It'd be a hell of a coincedence....
by Tripman5000
Jun 11th, 2007
02:13:14 PM
...if all those people that had reason to kill Tony all happen to turn up at once,don't you think????!
Bytor
by downtheriver3
Jun 11th, 2007
02:13:15 PM
..doesn't matter if he wasn't on their before.....although, a previous posted already explained this.
downtheriver3
by ByTor
Jun 11th, 2007
02:15:43 PM
Er, yes it does, because the whole point to Herc's post was that they all WERE on there before (Nikki Leotardo, the carjackers, and so on). They were not, ergo that whole theory is deflated.
NOT Phil's Nephew
by _Maltheus_
Jun 11th, 2007
02:15:46 PM
That's just some BS floating around the internet. Here's an interview with the member's only guy (it was his only scene): http://tinyurl.com/2m8w2g
At the workplace
by B Arthur
Jun 11th, 2007
02:16:11 PM
First of all, many, and I mean MANY people have stopped watching this show LONG ago. People talk way more about Boston Legal than they do about the Sopranos, its been that way since 2004 or so. A couple of my friends were holding out like me. Needless to say nobody was pleased with the finale. It was so bad nobody is even talking about it. There is just a general shrug of the shoulders and a weary look of disappointment.
B Arthur
by ByTor
Jun 11th, 2007
02:17:18 PM
Same at my workplace...everyone I've spoken to so far has expressed disappointment in the ending. For whatever that's worth.
downtheriver3
by movimn
Jun 11th, 2007
02:18:52 PM
Let's assume the hitman is the members only jacket guy, he goes to the can comes out and shoots Tony. Well he goes to teh can before Meadow arrives so downtheriver3 your way doesn't hold any water unless he had some ability to know Meadow was parking her car. Also the version that most of America saw Meadow didn't make it to the door she was just running up to it, and yes I saw the East Coast feed.
The George Lucas of Mafia storytelling.
by wowsah156
Jun 11th, 2007
02:21:32 PM
The final episode was a sell out. Chase has ruined it for himself.Where was the ending? The "ending" was Chase looking to make more money and more options. We never saw Tony reaping what he sowed. This is typical Hollywood Cosa Nostra sympathising bullshit. For UK users it actually remided me of One foot in the Grave. Its like Chase was writing for Victor Meldrew. Not Tony Soprano. I look forward to the comedy of Chase trying to sell a movie version of the Sopranos to Hollyweird and turning it into a "meditation" on post 9/11 America. SUCKED!!
another instant urban legend shot to hell
by Hercules
Jun 11th, 2007
02:28:06 PM
looks like bathroom guy was never on "The Sopranos" before last night ... http://tinyurl.com/2m8w2g
Buffy/Angel Fans
by Mr. Profit
Jun 11th, 2007
02:29:49 PM
Is it true the finale of "Angel" had a similar moment (to last nights Soprano finale) in the end where it was left open?
Onion rings..
by rodvegas78
Jun 11th, 2007
02:34:21 PM
lets send Onion rings to HBO.. if I were Journey, I'd schedule a reunion tour right now!! BTW.. I thought the truck driver looked like Robert Patrick..
Mr. Profit
by glodene
Jun 11th, 2007
02:36:49 PM
Yes it did. The only difference is that, unlike David Chase, who had years to plan for the finale, Joss and co. had only two months to tie-up some loose ends and conclude it in a Don Quioxte-ish-like way, which turned out pretty damn brilliant considering that The Wb clipped off at the knees.
Herc...
by Monkey Man Zero
Jun 11th, 2007
02:37:33 PM
I just checked the credits from last night against IMDB, only 1 of the actors listed even has an entry and he was on law and order. None of the actors listed have any entry for being on the Sopranos. I like the idea you posted but perhaps it is an allusion to those people, like you said for the people who pay attention. In that diner everyone was after the same thing, some family time, but Tony saw victims of his life all around him. He wants to be like everyone else but he sees himself and the rest are "little people" to quote Detective Bryant. And to conclude this alternate ending nonsense, I just compared the version on my DVR from last night to the version on demand. They are identical, and end on Tony looking up toward the door.
urban dictionary
by giggsy13
Jun 11th, 2007
02:37:39 PM
86'd Eliminated, rubbed out, scratched, or, more bluntly, killed. funny that I have watched the episode several times now, I am convinced that he is dead. Why the fuck would you have the blackness, music cut off etc Tony is dead!!!!!
Hey movimn. That's the whole point.
by Coughlins Laws
Jun 11th, 2007
02:40:28 PM
If the theory of Tony getting killed is true, since it was from his POV, you woudln't see anyone walking away. There would just be nothingness. The fact that you don't see anyone walkin around proves nothing. Plus, there was some guy on MSNBC this morning who mentioned that the guy sitting at the counter was Nikki Leotardo and the black kids were from Season 2. They identified the guy as a Sopranos expert. However, I don't know what his source is but he supposedly is an insider.
B Arthur
by Faust_8
Jun 11th, 2007
02:42:06 PM
Same here, nobody and mean NOBODY was happy with last nights episode. I gave up before this season started and have been telling everying that this season would suck. I was really hoping to be wrong, but I wasn't. Last night's episode eclipses the season five finale where Tony spends 50 minutes in a dream. Suck suck suck suck suck.
Angel's finale though didn't feel abrupt-
by Novaman5000
Jun 11th, 2007
02:44:17 PM
It provided closure in the sense that you knew these characters would never stop fighting, even against outrageous odds. It was pretty damn perfect if you ask me.
Mental Gymnastics Needed!
by B Arthur
Jun 11th, 2007
02:44:27 PM
OK, the people defending this finale are way over the top! Come on, a bad end to what was once a great series is still a BAD ENDING! And no, I'm not pissed heads didnt roll. I am pissed at lazy writing, forshadowing that was not connected to anything that ended up happening, and the general fact this was anticlimactic and a waste of time! So far we have people saying that it shows how stressful Tony's life is. This has been a theme since day one and is hardly anything impressive to end the series with. The Tony is dead people, c'mon, the bottom line is we dont know and will never know. Based upon the fact that so many potential plot points have been raised and never explored, I am left to assume that the family simply finished eating their onion rings. Thats it. Thats it? Yes. This series is but a shadow of its former self. One nice thing I will say is that the ONLY character who got even a shadow of resolution was Uncle Junior... That was the only good and semi-touching scene the entire time. Thats it? Thats it. This finale was a joke folks, and the jokes on the people still trying to rationalize it.
The Feds
by movimn
Jun 11th, 2007
02:49:45 PM
If the feds knew about the earlier attempt on Tony than one would believe that they would know if it was going to happen again and would warn him. Also with the reaction of the FBI agent when he found out Phil was dead it appears as though they want To keep Tony alive. My take is that the "mysterious" people in the diner were undercover feds keeping an eye on him. Either to protect him or arrest him as soon as the indictment comes down.
At first, I was pissed....
by Lost Skeleton
Jun 11th, 2007
02:52:10 PM
but with time to think about the episode...Brillant on the part of Chase. I concluded that each viewer could fill in whatever they wanted based on how they view Tony. I figured that Chase was telling us that there Tony either dies in that resturant or goes to jail. The onimous (sp) patrons in that resturant are either FBI agents ready to pick Tony up or hitmen (the Godfather reference).
ByTor
by downtheriver3
Jun 11th, 2007
02:52:27 PM
..doesn't matter if they were on there before or not. People kill people FOR other people on the show all the time.
Mental Gymnastics Needed! ???
by B Arthur
Jun 11th, 2007
02:55:22 PM
This finale was just plain bad. Unrewarding, no resolution, anticlimactic. They even threw in a "Whacking" of Phil that seemed pointless and contrived. The one nice thing I can say was that the Uncle Junior scene towards the end was good, but it still wasnt great. I'm glad at least one character got some sort of closure! They just simply dropped the ball with this. I would have been much more pleased by an ending with tony looking into the camera and saying something like "Meadow went on to be a supreme court justice, AJ would die of a coke overdose in 6 years. Carm? Well, she divorced me not 2 years later. Me? Well, Im just hanging in there... tough... because I was made in America!"
The greatest thing about the last episode
by DonMagicWan
Jun 11th, 2007
02:55:26 PM
was that it was the last episode. Now maybe all the better dramas HBO has to offer can get their just due.

I'm gonna miss shows like Deadwood and Rome a helluva a lot more than Sopranos. At least we have 1 more season of The Wire while HBO reloads.
Maybe Chase'll continue it as a comic book, like Buffy.
by tonagan
Jun 11th, 2007
02:58:20 PM
Then would everybody be happy? Maybe Meadow could turn into a 40-foot giant, and Christopher could come back as a skinless demon. Sheesh.
Crazy...
by TheUltraHumanite
Jun 11th, 2007
02:58:35 PM
Pendel Pizza is my jam too, i hope it turns out that guy whacks tony in some sort of deleted scene, with a giant pizza, im gonna go ask him if he filmed any scenes like that..... and order up a slice
Movimn = idiot
by downtheriver3
Jun 11th, 2007
03:00:06 PM
Dude.....first of all, with all the different cuts and pans, you have no idea where the guy is when Meadow walks in the door (which she does do by the way, there are no different cuts). Secondly, he could easily know when approximately she is going to get there. Somebody could be tailing here and in fact, that even proves the theory more. Maybe he was going to the bathroom to answer his phone. Your rebuttals hold no water.
THE ENDING
by PurpleNurple
Jun 11th, 2007
03:01:07 PM
My first reaction was jaw dropping...did I hit stop on my DVR? but the credts faded in and rolled without music for the first time...This time, the music came before the credits and Tony was just about to change the song...I felt cheated at first but I like the ending now. I was looking at the clock on my cable box thinking how can the end this in two minutes?! But an innocent meeting in a dinner builds on random paranoia of our own and of Tony's...We live and breath with Tony in that booth and we die with him...or on the flipside maybe his paranoia just ceases with Meadows arrival and he has his whole family in one place and the screen goes black with the lack of fear...we'll never know...but it is genius...
Hey faust 8, you're not a fan so who gives a shit
by Coughlins Laws
Jun 11th, 2007
03:02:50 PM
whether you liked the finale or not. There were TWO WHOLE episodes after the dream sequence in Season 5. Maybe you didn't watch them. Adriana got killed in one and Tony shot his cousin in the other. If you pay that little attention then who cares what you think. Also, there was plenty of foreshadowing. If you don't want to think it through then who cares what you think. Tony's life has been on a downward spiral, you see him say twice this year that when you get hit, it just goes to black. Need anything else? And if you don't buy into that, he's going to prison for life. Happy?
Hercules, you're an idiot
by Dannychico
Jun 11th, 2007
03:05:38 PM
For wanting so desperately for there to be an "explanation" that you believed whatever bullshit somebody emailed you. You and everybody else who wanted "something to happen" from this episode are apparently not really fans of the show. You're fans of what you want the show to be, not what it actually is. Tony did NOT get shot after the screen went dark. There is no indication that any of those people were threats to him. The scene was shot so that you felt the tension Tony feels, the constantly looking over your shoulder mentality, the feeling that everybody's a suspect. That is Tony's hell. That is what we got to see. Life will never be easy for Tony Soprano, but he was certainly not whacked. If that was the impression Chase wanted to leave, he would have cut to black as soon as the guy at the counter began to walk over to Tony. THEN you all would have an argument. But Chase showed that situation deflate as the man walked into the bathroom.
B Arthur
by PwnedByStallone
Jun 11th, 2007
03:06:38 PM
That would have been the lamest ending in TV history. Well...after Heroes Season 1 of course.
The FEDS
by ZoeFan
Jun 11th, 2007
03:06:43 PM
Here's the deal. The FED that had "a Weird reaction". Well he's a mobster wanna be that was glad Phil died. This minute plot line is based on a real case where a FED actually started helping out the mob.
Dannychico.......you are the idiot
by downtheriver3
Jun 11th, 2007
03:09:41 PM
The whole thing makes sense to people WITH some sense. Tony is shot.......bottom line.....PERIOD. The scene goes quiet and black because he is dead. There is no other explanation.....anything else is a total grasp.
Keep watching suckers!
by B Arthur
Jun 11th, 2007
03:13:02 PM
Yeah, you guys keep watching this episode over and over again! At some point you will realize what a shit ending it was. So far I think we can agree that Chase was trying to show the stress and paranoia of Tony's existence. As if that hasnt been shown in just about every single episode ever aired! The finale was bad! It happens! Get over it, at least we all still have the 1st 2nd and 3rd seasons!
Yes, Dannychico, you're an expert on what Chase thinks
by Coughlins Laws
Jun 11th, 2007
03:16:36 PM
All right, don't believe he got shot. There are alot of indications he did. The guy at the counter was definitely Italian. He could've been a mob guy or he coulda just been getting something to eat. He sits down, we see him looking around, don't see him order anything, don't see anything in front of him. We might eventually find out what Chase's true intentions were but how can you rule out what most people are thinking? Cause you "know" Chase? I believe Tony gets shot in the head, like they foreshadowed. He said twice this season that when you get it, you just go to black. Then 15 minutes before the scene we see another mob boss get shot in the head in front of his family. He would've gone right to black, too. Prove me wrong...
ambiguous
by giggsy13
Jun 11th, 2007
03:17:22 PM
bollocks
downtheriver3
by movimn
Jun 11th, 2007
03:18:03 PM
Meadow is never shown entering the diner and it is very clear that the guy goes to the bathroom (to answer the phone as you may have it), then the black guys enter, then the onion rings come, they eat the onion rings, then Meadow parks the car, then runs towards the diner, just as the guy gets the secret go ahead in the can to hurry and run out of the bathroom and shoot Tony just as Meadow opens the door, as we hear the bells on the door. Seeing as since he wants the whole family there to see Tony get whacked, he decides to shoot him now instead of waiting for Meadow to get to the table. Is this because he thinks she's hot and does not want to get blood on her. Wow talk about a leap!
downtheriver3
by ByTor
Jun 11th, 2007
03:18:26 PM
You clearly are missing my point. I was specifically referring to Herc's post, claiming that the various diner patrons HAD been in the show before, and that's what made the ending so clever.

I don't think I can put it any simpler. Whether people kill for other people is about as irrelevant as can possibly be.

Walnuts and the cat spin off coming this fall !!!
by Faust_8
Jun 11th, 2007
03:18:41 PM
Give the finale back to the indians. Give me more Walnuts, the only redeeming thing in last nights episode.
hot off the press
by giggsy13
Jun 11th, 2007
03:20:17 PM
chase sucks
If I ever see David Chase I'll pie him
by Faust_8
Jun 11th, 2007
03:21:10 PM
That's right Chase, there's a creme pie with your name on it.
DAMMIT
by BillyPilgrim
Jun 11th, 2007
03:23:29 PM
I'm still upset over the sandwich Tony threw away last episode.
My Lord, settle down people
by Richard Cranium
Jun 11th, 2007
03:24:02 PM
"FUCK YOU, IT WAS GOOD!" "NO, FUCK YOU, IT WAS BAD!" Chase had to know whatever he did, at least 50% of the people out there would hate it, so it almost seems like he intentionally did something ambigious enough to really get people talking about it. If so, mission accomplished.
downtheriver3
by RedEyeDistrict
Jun 11th, 2007
03:24:06 PM
The ending I really saw (disregard smart ass post above) ended on tony looking towards the door not with a shot of meadow. I watched it with a room full of people and we all saw the same thing. Hell we even rewound it and watched it like 6 more times just to see if we missed anything. No Meadow. Not saying it wasn't there for some to see, but not in dallas bub.
Movimn = idiot 2
by downtheriver3
Jun 11th, 2007
03:26:23 PM
Dude...you are wrong.....I have it on DVD at home. You see her face after she enters. I don't know what you are smoking. It is NOT clear that he is going to the bathroom. You have no idea of that. Yes, he goes that way but he could take one step in and turn around and come back out. You have no idea. Using that as the base for your arguement is idiotic. Also, your chronology is way off (not that it really matters but)The guy shoots almost instantly when you see Meadow (did you not read the other posts where people describe the look on her face? Also, Chase is using a pacing that isn't constant. It speeds up and slows down so you cannot possibly say the guy had no time because of that.
David Chase Should Be . . .
by vikingkitty
Jun 11th, 2007
03:26:25 PM
Juggfuckled.
To all those who say....
by obiwayne
Jun 11th, 2007
03:27:36 PM
David Chase doesn't owe the viewers anything...yes, he does. I PAID for HBO to watch the Sopranos since the first season. I never subscribed to it before then and would cancel my HBO once the Sopranos season was over and wait for the next to start and reconnect. Over the years I also picked up on Deadwood, Carnivale and Six Feet Under as shows worthy of subscription, but Sopranos started it all. Given my faithfulness and and my defense of the first part of season six to all my friends who were down on it, I'd say Chase owes me at least SOMETHING! Let's face it...Chase realized that any ending he came up with would be criticized and decided to go with the easy way out that allowed him to pass it off as "art" and anyone who argues is ignorant and unimaginative. BULLSHIT!
My wife and I viewed at 8pm central time...
by aicmb
Jun 11th, 2007
03:27:43 PM
Comcast, in Kansas City. Our viewing ended with Meadow, having entered the diner, walking toward camera, with her POV just off center, upper left. One could argue a look of mild concern, but nothing definite.

Then cut to black. No continuing music. Just black, no sound. Then silent credits.

This is what we saw, with absolute certainty.

I believe Tony got hit.

BTW
by RedEyeDistrict
Jun 11th, 2007
03:27:48 PM
"Best ending ever" or "Total rip-off" argument aside: Does anybody else have that fuckin Journey song stuck in their head today? I can't shake it.
Actually the Angel one was more conclusive
by Monty 16
Jun 11th, 2007
03:28:01 PM
You know that they all die. especially when they show the 40 foot dragon. They just didnt want to show it or didnt have the resources but you knew they all die. The sopranos end was kind of cool. We were all waiting for something to happen so we were super sensitive and paranoid like tony has to live. I didnt mind it..he whacked the show and the fans..we didnt hear it coming...
Yeah, Obiwayne, David Chase MADE you pay for HBO
by Coughlins Laws
Jun 11th, 2007
03:32:08 PM
So you didn't like it. POOOOOOOOOOOR YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Finn raped my childhood.
by PortnoysRevenge
Jun 11th, 2007
03:32:32 PM
Jeebus people, I can't believe the venom. Why can't someone like the ending? I was like WTF?! just like everyone else, but honestly, let the hate go people. The Urban Legends spouting up over this episode is so pathetic.
The dual ending argument shit is getting old....
by RedEyeDistrict
Jun 11th, 2007
03:36:18 PM
I also saw the 8pm central time show, except in Dallas and it ended on Tony's face. Just fucking accept that there were two different versions. It's retarded I know but I didn't edit the fucker. If someone can post a clip of the meadow ending, please do so. Ive been wanting to see the look on her face since it was first mentioned there was a different ending than the one I saw.
downtheriver3
by movimn
Jun 11th, 2007
03:37:25 PM
I watched it on my tivo and gave an exact recounting of how it went. Also the guy walked all the way into the bathroom, and by the way why would he just go in and quickly turn around when you previously said he went in to answer the phone. You go back and watch it. And until I actually see the 2nd version that some people say they saw with it ending on Meadow I will not believe it. I live on the west coast and watched the east coast and west coast feeds and both ended with Meadow running towards the diner, not entering and Tony looking up. If you do have this Meadow scene as you say on DVD then post it on the net somewhere for all to see. Until then go back watch it and in the last scene Chase is not screwing with pacing as much as you want to believe.
Open ended finales
by _Maltheus_
Jun 11th, 2007
03:37:56 PM

Some people seem to think that if you didn't like the end, then you simply don't get it. First off, nobody knows for sure if he lives or dies. That much is apparent. But I recall the Angel series finale ending in much the same way, yet I thought that was perfect. It didn't matter who lived or died, they just went on doing what they had always done.

I guess the problem I had with the Sopranos finale is that the entire season has been about building up the tension. I hated the first half of the season, but I was really getting into the second half because it seemed like the tension was building to something big. If we were suppose to feel like what it was like in Tony's shoes, then I must have missed something. Although he was always fearful of the law, he never seemed to care much about death. He even seemed to manage a full night's worth of sleep in the safehouse.

Some of my other problems with the end: What's up with Silvio? It seemed like his "end" was also engineered for an eventual movie. They should have just killed him. Also, Sylvio or Bobby should have been able to put up a fight. I had assumed they were saving the great fight scene for Tony. If Tony wasn't going to get it (on screen) then Sylvio shouldn't have gone out like a punk. What was up with the "we might actually win this thing" line? That agent may have been on a friendly basis with Tony, but only reluctantly gave Tony the info he needed. For him to think of Tony as "we" was a bit weird. This AJ story should have been done a season or two ago (I had said that back then as well). The club storyline works him into the family business while still allowing for ambiguity. Same with Meadow's storyline. They should have skipped the whole Finn nonsense and jumped right to what they left off with (i.e. interesting Patsy story lines). It seems like the point of the last two seasons was to slowly get us to the middle of the story.

2007 had the worst season finales ever. Throwing in a WTF twist at the end (BSG, Lost, Sopranos, etc) is just lazy writing and I'm getting tired of it. Finales weren't a problem in need of fixing. They use to be the best eps of the year.

Final Scene
by downtheriver3
Jun 11th, 2007
03:38:03 PM
Maybe I am just seeing things but I watched the ending twice last night. It seemed like the 9pm version ended with a shot of the door (i just confirmed this with my wife). The second time I saw it (12am on one of the HBOs) definitely showed a shot of Tony looking up from the table. What gives on this? Is this possible?
Paulie and his Pussy
by BillyPilgrim
Jun 11th, 2007
03:39:50 PM
There a big changes coming in Jersey!
Okay, well I just watched it...
by gobofraggleuk
Jun 11th, 2007
03:42:44 PM
...and it seemed pretty clear that, as it was Tony Soprano's story, it ended when he did - the black screen when he was shot in the head - the guy coming out of the bathroom unseen by Tony because his attention is on the door the whole time and he's distracted by Meadow coming in at that moment. He looks up and sees her - and dies. Meadow walks in to see her father shot dead.
Hey, ZombieSolutions, say what you want about
by Coughlins Laws
Jun 11th, 2007
03:43:49 PM
the show, but it was most definitely NOT lazy. Maybe you didn't like it but it was long thought out. And to think he was saying fuck you to the fans? Well, i think you're wrong. Lots of people liked it and the sense I get is most of the people who didn't like it were the casual fans so who gives a fuck what they think. If you had a vote for the people who watched every episode multiple times, I guarantee most didn't feel ripped off, especially after having time to think it over. I admit it was shocking. But don't say it was the worst ending of a TV show ever. When you talk in absolutes like that, you just sound stupid. Opinions are objective and when you state your opinion as fact, you sound like a dick. That's like the people who keep saying the Star Wars preqeuls sucked completely and just accept it as fact. It's true, alot of people were dissapointed. But 3 movies don't make over $2 billion unless somebody likes them. Right now, it looks to be about 50/50 but some of the people who didn't like it aren't that big of fans of the show anyway, so fuck em, let them be pissed. It seems obvious to me what happenned. I never even considered that Tony wasn't killed till I saw these boards and what some critics have been saying.
Dumbass = Movimn
by downtheriver3
Jun 11th, 2007
03:44:00 PM
1)Hey idiot, I never said he DID go into the bathroom to answer the phone. I said he COULD HAVE done that. He could have done a LOT of things given the pacing changes and YOU cannot possibly argue your point. 2)If that is an exact account than either your memory or your TiVo is not working correctly. 3)You are wrong about the ending. 4) The pacing changes.......if you don't agree you really are an idiot. Why don't you argue that Tony wasn't there because in an instant he went from standing at the entrance to sitting down. Why don't you argue that the booth really wasn't there? Chase plays with the pacing all the time. Do you even WATCH THE SHOW????
A Quote from David Chase
by McKrakalaka
Jun 11th, 2007
03:46:33 PM
from an interview circa 2001: "What's the difference between what's art and what isn't art? That's the hard question to answer. The only thing that I guess I believe is that a lot of what I see on the air and in other places is giving answers, and I don't think art should give answers. I think art should only pose questions. And art should not fill in blanks for people, or I think that's what's called propaganda. I think art should only raise questions, a lot of which may be even dissonant and you don't even know you're being asked a question, but that it creates some kind of tension inside you." http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb /entertainment/july-dec01/chas e_8-8.html
The Guy who plays Agent Harris Speaks
by G-Force1
Jun 11th, 2007
03:47:02 PM
Saw this in New York Magazine, here is his quote at the viewing party: There was another ending, Matt "We're going to win this thing" Servitto told reporters. The last he knew, the scene in Holsten's diner — which was shot in the real life Holsten’s out in Bloomfield, New Jersey — went on a little longer and featured one of the menacing figures in the diner dominating the camera. "The scene cut as the guy was advancing towards him, as if he was about to shoot Tony. It was, I think, less ambiguous that Tony was going to get shot." The full article http://tinyurl.com/2xrmo7
Now hold on a minute bacci....
by stereochad
Jun 11th, 2007
03:47:23 PM
Don't go addressing new subjects without first admitting what a retarded (and revealing) post you recently produced: "ALL THE HATERS ARE RETARDS...I WAS RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BADA BING....hey, i didnt catch everything, but i thought that the black guys looked very familiar"? So everything you posted before this (about how there was no easily explained ending needed) was bullshit? And I'm sure that those black guys did look very similar, errr, I mean familiar to your dumbass. So how about instead of you ignoring the valid points made here recently, why don't you address my and a few others (Jumping Willow, sk, etc...) sentiments? Also (unrelated), even though I usually didn't need (want) to see graphic (anatomically correct?)depictions of murder to get my kicks (over the course of this series), I will say that what Silvio - possibly the smartest person out of the whole lot of them all (and cooincidently also the quietest) - said to Tony after he whacked that NY guy in last week's epsiode did give me horseflesh; "I gave him my answer". Classic. Me must be stoopid.
Lazy???????
by downtheriver3
Jun 11th, 2007
03:47:38 PM
........much more effort than if the whole family was sprayed with bullets.......get a brain
Satisfied
by Philselway22
Jun 11th, 2007
03:48:47 PM
I did not want to see Tony die, or put in jail. I did want to see Phil get his, and lord did that scene satisfy. The last episode gave me what I was looking for. No, I did not say to myself "I'd like it to cut to black" but it gave me a very satisfying ending. Someone earlier said that last scene gave us access to exactly how Tony feels. That nauseating paranoid nervous anticipation. That goes a long way in letting us know why Tony is such a flaming asshole 99% of the time. I for one don't think he's dead. Those characters in the diner are all familiar as discussed earlier, but aren't those exact characters(the lack gents who shot Tony and the trucker, etc.) Its just Tony's life going on and on. Tony's face at the end wasn't of worry, or shock, it was the same look he gave everyone walking through the door. He's just paranoid, miserable Tony Soprano trying to manage a dinner with his family. I am just fine if we never see a Soprano movie or mini-series. I guess I'm in the minority, but I liked the end.
cookylamoo
by That Reilly Monster
Jun 11th, 2007
03:49:25 PM
I dunno, I really like the ending with the assumption that everyone dies in a heroic final battle. Akmost all of the major characters, especially Angel, Spike and Illyria, had major redemption story arcs. While it's arguable that Spike earned his redemption at the end of Buffy, the idea that everyone was redeemed by one big stand in the end sits well with me. I'd feel robbed if Joss came back now and said they had survived.
Philselway
by downtheriver3
Jun 11th, 2007
03:53:16 PM
wrong.......wrong.........wron g
I don't get the people saying they saw Meadow
by Coughlins Laws
Jun 11th, 2007
03:53:35 PM
walking in. I guess their minds just filled it in cause he watched everyone else come in. I just watched the HBO on Demand and it ended the same way. Tony looking up "Don't Stop!!!", then cut to black for 10 seconds. Another version wouldn't even make sense. David Chase said in an interview that The Sopranos would be a tragedy. In an interview in the first season he said it was about the rise and fall of a mobster. Since no one in the family was shown on camera getting killed, I think it's pretty evident what happenned...
When is Cleaver coming out on DVD?
by Norseman1111
Jun 11th, 2007
03:53:42 PM
Just wondering.
Cleaver II
by downtheriver3
Jun 11th, 2007
03:55:01 PM
I heard the sequal is a porno starring AJ and his model girlfriend...........
AJ explains it all...
by gorydon
Jun 11th, 2007
03:56:07 PM
Two episodes back he says that when his grandma was dying she said life was all "nothing." Then as they were getting their drinks in the last scene he reminds tony that he at one time said, "always remember the good times." This is resolution enough for me. Did Tony live or die? It's up to you but the show was over and we end up with nothing. No moral to the story. No resolution. The whole show was a build up to nothing. But we always have the good times to look back on. It's all about the "journey", not the ride.
It's all about the "journey", not the ride.
by gorydon
Jun 11th, 2007
03:58:00 PM
i mean the destination, not the ride, damn.
The dual ending argument shit is getting old....
by RedEyeDistrict
Jun 11th, 2007
03:58:51 PM
I also saw the 8pm central time show, except in Dallas and it ended on Tony's face. Just fucking accept that there were two different versions. It's retarded I know but I didn't edit the fucker. If someone can post a clip of the meadow ending, please do so. Ive been wanting to see the look on her face since it was first mentioned there was a different ending than the one I saw.
Re : Agent Harris
by BillyPilgrim
Jun 11th, 2007
04:00:14 PM
I felt Agent Harris's quote had a double meaning. He's been working anti-terrorism and helping Tony. He seemed to be watching some sort of Al Qaeda video when the other agent walked in and gave Harris the news. So "We just might win this thing" on it's face could mean Tony but it also could refer to the war on terror. Overall there was a lot of Iraq and anti Bush imagery in the episode. With that in mind it also felt like a possible rip on America in general. Here Tony and family just went through a horrible time and lost loved ones. But they meet at the ice cream shop for dinner and act as if nothing was wrong or is currently wrong with their world. Like post 911 America. We quickly lost the memory of the tragedy and go on as if nothing bad happened or could happen again. Or for that matter that bad things are happening elsewhere in the world. The ultimate ego-maniacal, self-centered and dysfunctional family was "Made in America". Then again maybe I'm just a moronic fucktard. I'm sure someone will let me know.
downtheriver3
by movimn
Jun 11th, 2007
04:00:50 PM
Where's the link to the part with meadow walking in?
Very Clear!
by revenge_flicks
Jun 11th, 2007
04:01:14 PM
Clearly, we the viewer are the ones who were wacked! Chase had no good way to end it, so he wacked us.
Journey
by Norseman1111
Jun 11th, 2007
04:01:44 PM
I bet the guys from Journey were on the phone all day about ways to cash in on this. They haven't had this much press since, well NEVER!
DTR3
by Philselway22
Jun 11th, 2007
04:02:51 PM
I'm not sure how you or I can be wrong or right. The show cut to black without anything happening. What did I miss? In my world, Tony's life goes on, and I'm happy with that. You shouldn't tell me I'm wrong when neither of us have any idea what the real answer is. Why does the bathroom guy have to shoot Tony as you argue? There are too many possible reasons for his appearance and actions. You saying he definitely shot Tony is just as likely as others who say he was acting weird because he's just a Jersey Joe Shmo who recognizes a mob boss at a diner. Like it or not, the ending can't be explained 100% towards either argument. Too bad for some people I guess. I don't mind it.
And there WON'T be any Sopranos movie...
by Coughlins Laws
Jun 11th, 2007
04:04:33 PM
The story is told. Everyone had their send-off. Most of the good characters are dead. Plus, Gandolfini has already said he's done with the character. Only thing that would rule, which would never happen, is to have a movie based in like 97 showing Jackie Aprile taking charge. That way we could at least see Ralphie, Gigi, Bobby, Big Pussy, Silvio, Big Carmine, Johnnie Sac, and Christopher around. Too bad Feech, Ritchie, and Phil were all in jail at that time.
BillyPilgrim
by RedEyeDistrict
Jun 11th, 2007
04:07:26 PM
yeah the double meaning crossed my mind too, but in the sense that maybe Harris was kinda rooting for the underdog to come back and win it, the underdog being Tony and the Jersey crew. Maybe he sees Jersey as the lesser of two evils. "Then again maybe I'm just a moronic fucktard. I'm sure someone will let me know." good line
How about a Prequel?
by Norseman1111
Jun 11th, 2007
04:08:48 PM
Set in the Sixties and Seventies when Tony was growing up. Johnny Boy and Junior as well as a young and crazy Paulie Walnuts. I like it!
Philselway22...
by Coughlins Laws
Jun 11th, 2007
04:09:12 PM
You could be right, too. That's the beauty of the episode. It said right below the song he played, "Anyway You Want It" which is why it was a great send-off to me the more I think about it.
BRILLIANT ENDING
by Jay Jay
Jun 11th, 2007
04:12:02 PM
Brilliant. Brilliant. Brilliant. The final scene was the most tense 5 minutes of television I have ever experienced. Thanks for everything David Chase and HBO.
dual ending nonsense
by ByTor
Jun 11th, 2007
04:12:53 PM
I have three (count 'em) sources: the DirecTV east coast feed, the DirecTV west coast feed, and local Comcast. ALL THREE of my copies end with Tony looking up as the song goes "Don't stop!" followed by a cut to black, which stays for a little bit, then credits roll silently.

I can only presume that those of you who claim to have seen Meadow in the last shot (I say "claim" because there are still no screencaps/vids posted anywhere) clearly are getting the special "Area 51" feed that the aliens broadcast specially for people who prefer to wear tin foil hats.

Or, alternatively, your mind filled in that bit because that's what would naturally come next, and since you clearly don't have a recording of it, you couldn't go back and confirm or deny. Happens all the time.

Moving away from the Blackout talk...
by Philselway22
Jun 11th, 2007
04:13:33 PM
I for one dorked out big time for Agent Harris helping Tony. When Tony realizes who is on the phone, and having Harris in bed with another agent/ officer, that was spectacular. That was a payoff of that storyline, one scenario batted about was if Tony would be arrested or if Harris was going to turn around and bust Tony due to 'those two Arabs.' It was good to see Agent Harris confirm what I perceived as an 'on the fence' friendship he had with Tony.
Guy heads to the bathroom because....
by BangoSkank
Jun 11th, 2007
04:14:16 PM
If I walked into my local diner to see a mob boss staring at me as I entered, I'd crap myself. And the last thing I'd be able to do was sit down and order some food. Then if he kept looking up at me, like Tony did, knowing that a mob war was currently ragging ('cause the shootings would be in all the papers and on TV)you know what I'd do? I would head strait to the bathroom and crawl out the fucking window. But then I'm a bit of a puss.
UDJ
by downtheriver3
Jun 11th, 2007
04:15:29 PM
Yes, I am sure.....I admit I am not sure about the ending (as I posted earlier)but it doesn't matter, if there are 2 they still both apply.
Banqo
by downtheriver3
Jun 11th, 2007
04:16:26 PM
yes.........you are!
Jay Jay - Yes Indeed
by Philselway22
Jun 11th, 2007
04:16:51 PM
"The final scene was the most tense 5 minutes of television I have ever experienced." Thank you for bringing this up, I said almost the exact same thing to my friends after watching it. Blackout, shmackout, those few minutes were the most intense I've had watching any TV show.
PERFECTO!
by clone-o-mat
Jun 11th, 2007
04:17:18 PM
That was the perfect series finale for the show because it was exactly like the show. One bit of violence to keep you watching, then tons of suspence after which NOTHING happens! It's a compacted version of the whole series. Brilliantly executed bits of hollow nothing. Perfect!
Caughlin
by Philselway22
Jun 11th, 2007
04:18:57 PM
Si senor.
Monty 16 & cookylamoo
by glodene
Jun 11th, 2007
04:22:49 PM
They did'nt die. According to Joss, they survived. The resolution of what happened in the alley will be answered in the comic book version of season six, which will be released later on this year by IDW Comics. It's currently in production now.
BillyPilgrim
by Carter5000
Jun 11th, 2007
04:23:17 PM
Exactly my thoughts. Look at AJ, the more I think about AJ the more it affirms my belief that his character wasn't all bad, he's just a kid growing up in todays America, a product of what is around him. I think we can all relate to a little bit of AJ, we just don't like to admitt it. There's a little bit of each of us in those characters. Chase did a great job, he didn't bow down to the sensibilities and rules of TV and movies, which is why you have all these