I've been rewatching S1 and I can't remember have they ever addresed the white shoes? Also could it be through the hallunciations/visions (Christian Shepeard, dead Shannon, etc) that even then Jacob was trying to find someone with whom to communicate to/through and found his vessel in Locke when others wouldn't...commit to Jacob/Island. And one more thing that struck me, could it be that The Hostiles/Others took over about 16 years ago when Rossuau's since ship was on the Island and that's what caused her people to get sick? Just some random thoughts after viewing S1 through the lens of S3

But you've gotta admit that Lost has the slight edge to make it great just for the fact that it avoids inserting the title of the the show into the dialogue every week.

For example: "You really are a hero." Every week someone says something like that; it's childish.

Imagine if Jack or Locke or Sayid had to weave the word "lost" in every week. "Guys, I think we're _lost_." Wow...catchy.

Oh wait, that's Black Pearl. Shit.

Therefore I agree with someone above who thinks Nadia has something to do with something or something...

Maybe she is Jacob with a false beard. And balls.

First, all CAPS posts are lame. Second, if you are doing it to draw attention to your posts, stop. Because your posts generally suck anyway.

Seriously, guy, what the fuck is a CAPS LOCK key?

MrInsidious: If you read my post, you would see that I did note that you gave warning and that I said I had gone looking for the spoilers myself when this all started. While I'm guess you would like to start it, I refuse to enter into a name calling contest with you. I understand that you have the right to free speech, but that comes with a responsibility of consideration. Again, it isn't as if you were posting minor spoilers or posting in invisotext. It's easy for people to see even if they don't want to.

Now, I'm out of here until after the finale. Only 4 hours left.

Do we have no bondage freaks here at all?

You have Jack locked in a cell, Kate kept in a zoo cage, James risking self-torture by electricity just to earn some animal food (Can you imagine what something called 'a fish biscuit' must taste like?). James and Kate having public sex - which is being videotaped - and that bisch Juliet forcing Jack to watch it. C'mon! That is some perverse, deviant material there. Tonight, more of the same: Cholly gets tied up and tortured by two hot gun wielding young commando dominatrixes. Check out Charlie's expression as the two babes rush in pointing guns at him: "Oh oh, I am totally in their power and they're going to hurt me... and they're HOT!" You know he wasn't thinking about his boring domestic nuclear family unit life with Claire and Aaron at that moment. There's a reason why this season was on at 10:00 - it's a prevert's paradise.

Also interesting to see what's considered essential enough to recap and what's unimportant enough to skip (IE pretty much anything to do with Ana Lucia, Libby, Nikki, Paulo, Shannon, Boone, Scott, Joanna, the long missing Lance, Cindy, the missing tailie children, or anyone from a flashback who isn't the Marshall, Christian or Penny. I think Ethan, Eko and thePilot are all seen briefly.

Anyway, tonight the 45 minute special repeats with an added directors cut bonus of 15 more minutes - a full hour. Don't worry about spoilers, irrelevancies or too much Lost burnout. they're just going to tell you what they want you to have fresh in your mind so the finale episode will be even more intense.

Man, it's gonna be a long wait until 8:00, a longer wait until 9:00 and a freaking long wait until February.

"FcCall U H8ters."

That said, I think Heroes was the best new series of the 2006-007 season, and I currently rank it as my second favorite _Current_ TV series, ahead of Grey's and Boston Legal and Medium and Frisky Dingo. (But maybe not Venture Brothers, which sure takes long hiatuses between seasons.)

If you seriously have to wonder what my favorite series is (okay, I realize you weren't actually wondering that), well, pay attention. I'm here, ain't I?

herculesaicn@yahoo.com

"Please ban "loitus666" and delete his incessant posts from the Lost talkback.

Please?"

Napoleon.Park

(knock it off, lamerz, we get it, it stopped being funny the fourth time.)

I've been impotent since I became diabetic a few years ago. My belly's too big to give myself a reach-around unless I'm laying down like a beached whale. The little guy is snug in the burrow. And either junior is atrophying or my thumb is getting huge. I know that's TMI. But that's what happens to old, obese diabetics, and I'm not ashamed. I was sadistic, evil and gluttonous and got what's coming to me.

Sad that ElSixes screen name was an acronym for "I U Lost" (or "I O Lust"), an obvious cry for help. But what he did was silly and he was stupid. Some people might use the 'tard' suffix, but don't blame people with Downs Syndrome for his behavior, and don't blame the dickless for the behavior of the deeply stupid. We dickless have enough dignity issues.

Following the 24 and HEROES season-enders, wonder how this one'll turn out as the 3rd of the "Triple Crown" of Finales? Considering that LOST has even more questions and plot threads to deal with than HEROES did, looking forward to see how they are handled in this finale--- and good that there's 2hrs for them to do so (instead of the measly hour that HEROES got to wrap things up)....

At least I didn't narc you out.

I can't wait until '08.

My mind is officially blown.
But, I must admit, the Charlie death was wicked lame. I was so choked up as he dove into the water last week, but this time I just kept screaming in my head, "RUN OUT THE FUCKING DOOR! SWIM OUT THE WINDOW!! DO SOMETHING, YOU GODDAMN HOBBIT!!!!"

Yea, I get it, he was "supposed" to die. But... I mean... No!! That SUCKED! Especially if Mikhail is dead too. Because then he's a freakin' idiot too. Why not, uhh... Toss the grenade and THEN jump into the water and swim away? Or STAB THEM! Or stab them, and then take a gun, shoot them both, and THEN BLOW THE SHIT UP!! Gah. Annoying.

Other than that, stupendous episode. I think this might be, like, the second Jack flashback I really grooved on. I like him when he's brooding and pissed off. Like Batman.

Locke is the goddamn Chosen One though. But was that really Walt? And was Walt speaking to him from the future?! WAS WALT IN THE CASKET AND HE'S TRAVELING BACK IN TIME AS A GHOST TO CHANGE THE PAST AND ONLY LOCKE CAN SEE HIM O_O;;;;;

holy @#$%&*@ that was $%#&*@ AWESOME!

Easily one of the best finales of all time, right now LOST with all it's unexplained mysterys could finish right now and I'd be happy, forget the white shoes, the for toes statue, Richard Alpert, etc...that was awesome and if they can sustain this level of writing and vision for the next 3 seasons (and I'm hping they just keep filming and filming and filming, no breaks) then this could easily be one of the best HOURLONGS in history. I would say that whenever TV Guide releases one of their 100 Most memorable moments in TV this better be in there, at least in the top 25, any scene will work, Charlies herioc death, Hurley saving Sawyer and Juliet, Matt Fox acting like he's going for a flippin OSCAR. Give this man an emmy right now for this ep and give the cast an emmy for best ensemble, not just Fox but EVERYONE pulled through tonight in flying colors

now my theories, because that is what we come here for

a) not Walt, the deep voice the commanding presence, it looked like Walt but was Jacob. It is my theory that Jacob has been manifasting as several differnt people while Smoky as been masquerding as things. Jacob is trying to find a worty succsor to Ben thus he appeared as Christian to Jack, Shannon to Boone, Locke as well he found in Locke a man of faith and willing to do what it takes, I think that is also why he healed Locke (and Rose) he heals because he needs a complete body

b) yes those were flashforwards we saw but not locked in stone flashforwards. I mentioned somewhere above that this week I've been catching up with S1, In the ep. where Jack, Kate, Boone and Locke are looking for Claire, Boone and Locke are on their own and Locke says "it's going to rain in one minute", in the pilot when it begins to rain and everyone is scrambeling Locke sits there like he is expecting it. Here goes, Locke KNOWS it's not Jack's destiny to leave the Island because Locke is flashforwarding and has been since he got to the Island. When the hatch exploded, Des all of a sudden got his "cognative" powers from being there with Locke, I'm guessing the plan with Eko was similar.

there we go, my opinons

oh and this is after missing about 15 minutes scattered throughout the ep because my ABC affli. kept getting knocked off the air, I blame Ben and the Looking Glass station for blocking me, thanks Charlie for killing them

and is Mikial like Mr Industratable, he gets eletrictoued by a sonic fence, survives a beating by Locke with nary a scratch, takes a freaking harpoon to the chest and has a granade. Any bets that Mikial will be alive next season,

New thoery, perhaps, Mikhal is the Islands source of healing. Ben is the voice, Alpert is the ageless, Mikhal is the healer. The Island is channeling it's power through them?

The current story has us experiencing things with them. While I think this whole flashforward thing was cool, I hope they don't stick with it because of those exact reasons. It's nice to see what's hopefully a ONE possible outcome, but I just hope that isn't the final outcome. I would be willing to bet money that someone is going to tell them about what the outcome might be and therefore they're given the opportunity to change it.

Too bad Jack didn't have a bad fright wig to match his bad beard. "Kate! You've got to come back with me! Something's gotta be done about the Others. Planes? Where we're going, we don't need...planes."

I loved that episode. I just wish I didn't have to wait until 2008 for more. http://www.fountofuseless.info /2007/05/and-found.html

Lost rocks my face off. Long live this show, and fuck the haters. That was a gamechanger indeed, and I have faith in the writers to keep it excellent to the very end!

Oh yeah, why the FUCK can't I log in to the talkback when I'm at work? Baah!

In other words, the show answers plenty of questions - maybe not the ones you want, but it does answer them. These last few episodes have answered quite a few. But when you answer questions, new questions arise. It's the nature of the beast. If this causes you undue stress, my prescription - now, I'm not a doctor, mind you, but I'm going to go out on a limb here - stop watching the show. Trust me, you'll feel a lot better and your life will start making sense again. Trust me.

Basically, I'm just holding out hope that it will be a satisfying conclusion and with only 48 more episodes to go. A friend of mine told me, and I totally agree, that Lost could be the greatest television show he ever watched or the biggest waste of time, but we won't know until it's over.

One thing is for certain is that I do enjoy each episode that I watch for the most part, even if they don't offer anything into the overall mythology. So while, I completely respect your decision to hate the show, I'm going to have to go in the opposite direction. I'm going to give it the benefit of the doubt. And maybe it will feel like being punched in the face after 2010, but I'm just hoping that it doesn't.

BTW, if you think this is part of my ongoing campaign to dampen the overly excited lovefest over Heroes, you would be correct. :)

Heroes is decent, not a great show. Lost is (once again) a great show.

February.

White Goodman: How is Dominic whatever going to eat next year?

Between Evangeline's thighs.

Cried twice: Sawyer telling Hugo to go back and Making contact.

Coffin guess: Sawyer. Hugo mught have gone but he's spending his millions. Kate is back married to Nathan Fillion (I'm a romantic.)

1/2 star off for Charlie. Poor, poor Charlie. You deserved a better ending.

It IS possible to like two different shows in the same basic genre... Just so you know.

That being said, I don't think I'm going to get any sleep for four days because of the serious mindfrakking that Lost gave me tonight. And I have my fingers crossed this isn't one of those fabled "shark jumps."

Above all, this show is a character-based drama. The main point of the story is how these characters interact with eachother and the situations that occur because of their actions. Sure, the setting and circumstance are a major part of the drama, but it's all in how they interact with the characters.

See, during his drug-induced wackiness he felt like he was being accused of drinking too much, so he let loose a line that he wanted to say years ago - his father being the drunk. Of course, it didn't make sense now because his dad isn't drunk, he's dead.

And then you see the other doctor give him a funny look. And Jack says, "Don't you look at me like that."

So, he's still dead. The writer's were also just trying to throw us off the scent.

Also, it's not an alternate timeline where the plane didn't crash, because Oceanic gave Jack a "golden pass" that he uses to fly around for free. So the world knows he was on a plane crash, but I'm sure that Kate and him have kept quiet about whatever transpired on the island.

Now, I'm not saying that the whole thing was scripted from the start, I'm sure there have been major idea changes, but I would be willing to bet that the writers know where they are going.

Anyone else kinda laughing at the fact that during that "Lost: The Answers" the two guys made a joke about them not being able to get off the island because then they wouldn't have a show...rewatching that tonight, it almost seemed like they said it with a tongue-in-cheek kinda feel to it...

Fact: Charlie was told that if he drowned after the light went off, Claire lived. That was his goal from the very start of his quest.

I think this is the producers way of giving the finger to all the people who hated the idea of flashbacks cause it didn't add to the story. Now we're all invested into what happen b/w the call they made and the time after the rescue. Well played Lost, well played.

My guess is MIchael is in the coffin since they need to tie off his story, and since they all probably had a problem with him not many would show for his funeral.

I agree with someone who mentioned Alias. JJ Abrams and his crew love these game changing twists, Alias had two big ones I can think of, and personally I think having a season opener showing what happened to all the survivors on the mainland during the intermidant years will be interesting. How do you go home after an ordeal like that? Why would you want to go back? Who will return? Did Sun survive her pregnancy? What about Juliette? Did Sayid ever find his chick? Is Claires baby Damian the anti-christ? All this and more........in only eight more months. AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!

That's been discussed in depth at the Heroes talkback and doesn't belong here, but briefly, Peter absorbs many powers but can only use one at a time, was using all his concentration to hold in the explosion, Nathan had to fly him up and over the ocean to save the city.

"'aye brother' by Boomers_Lips I'm gonna miss Desmond saying that to Chaaalie."

Well, Desmond's not dead and he says that to everybody.

As for the so-called "game changing" aspects of this episode, hopefully it will all make sense. And I do mean HOPEFULLY, with fingers crossed tight. Simply because as others have already noted, when J.J. and crew decided to "reboot" ALIAS to appease growing cries that the show had become TOO convoluted and was dragging things out far TOO much, the ALIAS "game changing reboot" actually shitted up the place big time and killed the show. So I'll keep my fingers crossed that history doesn't repeat itself.

Finally, I DO have this bitch and it's the same one I've made in previous LOST talkbacks. Namely: WHY THE FUCK DOESN'T ANYONE EVER TAKE 2 SECONDS TO TALK TO ONE ANOTHER? What, you've been trapped on an island for this amount of time...you've made friends and had to survive together...but it's too fucking much to ask ANYONE to show an IQ over 12 and to simply start asking questions?

Case in point and bitch about this finale: when Jack and Lostees come upon Ben as they hike towards the radio tower, Ben asks for 5 minutes of Jack's time, which Jack gives him. At that point Ben tries to manipulate the situation -- which we expected him to do, given that Ben is a lying weasel -- hence Jack losing it and beating Ben's ass only makes sense given the situation he suddenly found himself in (ie. Jack thought Ben had actually just ordered the executions of Sayid, Jin and Bernard).

OKAY, THAT SAID...someone explain this to me then. WHY DOES LOCKE PULL A GUN ON JACK? Yes, yes, I know there's obviously something up with the island and the fact that Locke went from being shot and mortally wounded to being healthy and able to walk again. I know there's something up with Walt and his saying "We have work to do." I get that, ok? But once Locke had the drop on Jack -- and given that Jack was determined to make the call -- why doesn't Locke just simply say "Hey, give ME 5 minutes of your time and I'LL explain WHY you shouldn't leave. Look, Jack, we've been here for a long time. We're friends, basically. So before you make that call, just give me a few moments to tell you...hell, tell you ALL...a few things." At which point they all sit down on the grass for a few and do something no one on this show is apparently capable of doing: namely TALKING things out!

I mean, let me get this straight. Locke is willing to literally shoot Jack to prevent him from making the call...it's obvious Locke is only doing that because he KNOWS something or has obviously just LEARNED something major about the island once he got healthy and out of the pit...so why the fuck doesn't he just TALK to Jack and the others and say "Hey, guess what! Here's the big secret to the island! You're not gonna believe this!"

But does he do that? Does ANYONE on the other side -- Kate or Sun or Claire, who was close to Locke at one point -- do any of THEM actually have the brains to ask "Hey, why are you holding a gun on Jack? Why are you so upset about us leaving? Fine, maybe you are pissed off at Jack for something. So tell US why we can't leave." Do we get that kind of NORMAL SENSE? No. Instead we get more bullshit where NOTHING gets explained, and hence the show bullshits its way out of things yet again. Locke -- you know, the guy willing to shoot a few seconds ago -- just lowers his gun and says "Ah, screw it. Go ahead and make your call."

Seriously, THAT was how that moment ended? What the fuck is THAT about? "GRR!!! DON'T GO OR I'll SHOOT! Oh wait, I changed my mind. Go ahead and make your phone call. I have nothing else to say."

I mean seriously, what the fuck kind of storytelling logic is THAT?

And everyone here who was so convinced that the ancient race mythical four toed giants sculpture was a big key to understanding the Island mysteries are going to be SO pissed off...

Free plug and product placement, or are they feeling the competition from their friendly rivalry with "Heroes"?

maybe next year Kring and loeb will narrate a clip show and talk about how all their characters feel 'lost'.

[I nearly wrote "Lindelcuse" then went back and fixed it because I remembered how I hate shit like that. TomKat. Brangelina. grrrr...]

Tonight's episode of Lost settled the "Heroes" vs "Lost" debate once in for all. There has never been a single moment of "Heroes" that has as much heart and quality as most of tonight's ep did, folks. Jack breaking down to Kate, screaming after her "We have to go back!"... It doesn't get much better than that. 2008 is too far off.

Well, he did something all right -- he fucking MURDERED someone! Good job, John!

Which goes back to my core point: First he literally throws a knife into a woman's back and apparently kills her (I say "apparently" because who knows, maybe the choppers arrive with such auspicious timing that Naomi actually survives)...THEN he pulls a gun on Jack and literally says "Put down the phone or I'll shoot"...but then he just says "Aw, fuck it. Make your call."

I mean, if you were willing to knife a woman in the back and then pull a gun and threaten the leader of your friends, you'd fucking think you'd ALSO be willing to take a few minutes to say "Hey, everyone stay calm. I just have a few things to say BEFORE you hit speed dial. So listen up."

Like I said, it makes no fucking sense logically -- then again playing fast and loose with Basic Logic 101 and "how" any normal person would react to a given situation seems to be the prime rule for the writers handbook on LOST, so what's the point in bickering about it?