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First!
by Sir Arthur Streeb-Greebling
May 16th, 2007
04:27:23 AM
Of course, I haven't read the article yet.
Second!
by lost.rules
May 16th, 2007
04:28:03 AM
Yes........................... .
BRONZE MEDAL!
by TheGoddamnSiege
May 16th, 2007
04:58:58 AM
Hooray for third!
It's a shame
by Dr.Zeus
May 16th, 2007
05:06:13 AM
that Ultimates took so long to get here. It's probably the most entertaining of any of those "Alternate Universe" titles that Marvel has churned out. And I remember picking up the first issue of Nova off the newstand when I was a kid. A more fun and entertaining book, was nowhere to be found. It had one of my favorite covers from the mid 70's on issue 4 with Thor. I think it was by the King, Jack Kirby himself. (Curious how Thor was also on issue 4 of my favorite Silver Surfer cover of the original '68 run.) It's really a d@mn shame how low Marvel has fallen in the last decade. It seems they've lost all their sense of fun and adventure, and traded it in for heroes that blur the lines so much sometimes.....that it's hard to distinguish them from the bad guys. ....just my two cents.
Hey Guys!
by Dr.Zeus
May 16th, 2007
05:24:21 AM
Talking about covers in that post above, kind of gave me an idea. I'm just curious as to what you fellas in the talkbacks consider to be one of your all time favorite covers? Maybe you have several that strike a chord with you. One that brings back fond memories of a story you loved in comics. Anyway, I know I have many and it would be hard to pick a favorite, but here's one of my favorites; Thor #171! It was the first issue of Thor I ever bought. And remains one of my all time favorite covers by Jack Kirby.
Y: The Last Man - A Rebuttal
by ArcherNX01
May 16th, 2007
05:33:07 AM
I totally have to disagree with you on that review. For some books I take a cue from you guys as to whether to pick up a book I've been hearing about just to see if it really is good. But, this one? nope, dead wrong. For a long time reader, I liked this one a whoooole lot. More than anything, this gave a good amount of closure for 355, and THAT'S what this issue is all about. Not the reunion. And you didn't even MENTION this in your review. Will we see 355 again, I dunno. How will Beth-2 react when Beth-1 is really in front of her (not just a poster with contact info), I dunno. I'm less interested in the whole Israeli army thing going on, but if it ties into the finale, I'll reserve final judgement on that arc. But all-in-all, there's still a helluva lot of character development going on.

If anyone dropped the ball, superhero, it's you on this review.

Yes now bring on Ultimates V2 Hardcover trade plz
by Evil Hobbit
May 16th, 2007
05:52:41 AM
Been waiting for to long :)
Iron Fist is great
by ChorleyFM
May 16th, 2007
06:08:03 AM
And yes, Aja is amazing. He is a combination of Michael Lark and John Cassidey, he is going to be huge. Countdown on the other hand sucked donkey balls.
"Maybe I’m still reeling
by Blok Narpin
May 16th, 2007
06:25:29 AM
"Maybe I’m still reeling from the lackluster ending of 52 and I wasn’t really given enough time to recover. " 52 ended just fine.
Great Spider-Man review, Loodabagel.
by stones_throw
May 16th, 2007
07:21:20 AM
Pretty much sums up my feelings on the Straczynski era. The last four or five years have been a complete waste. Now...

Joss Whedon's RUNAWAYS...hasn't done a whole lot for me, still fun and above average but lacking the invention and originality of Vaughan's run. The characters seem a little too one-note in comparison too, and Molly's being overused.

And SPIDER-MAN AND THE FANTASTIC FOUR is the shit.

Thimble Theater's Popeye = God
by Doctor_Sin
May 16th, 2007
07:55:18 AM
Comparing Thimble Theater ANYTHING to the cartoons that followed is like comparing Bob Kane's Batman to Adam West in spandex.
"Action Movie Guru" Guy Ritchie?
by Abin Sur
May 16th, 2007
08:09:22 AM
One decent movie does not an action auteur make. You lost me after that.
Oh my... I didn't realize..
by Thalya
May 16th, 2007
08:19:53 AM
Rainbow Brite appeared in Ultimates #13.

I SO have to get this now...
Hey now, Guy Ritchie had TWO decent movies
by rev_skarekroe
May 16th, 2007
08:52:36 AM
And since he's only done three, that's not too bad a record.
Ultimates Vol. 2 # 13: ABOUT DAMN TIME!
by Mr Incredible
May 16th, 2007
08:54:44 AM
Figures it would partially suck on arrival. I'll regretfully get it anyway.
Guy Richie
by overthruster
May 16th, 2007
09:20:29 AM
Has actually done five movies...with mixed results. Hey, sort of on the subject, are there any film/tv guys who have tried their hand at comics that you do like? Besides Joss?
Issue 13........
by SavageDragoner
May 16th, 2007
09:27:12 AM
Oh thank sweet Jesus, I am eternally devoted to the Ultimates title and I fucking HATE the endless months that go by between issues. For such a monster title, you'd think Marvel would be poking Millar and Hitch with a sharp stick to get it on some kind of regular schedule. I mean, I'm positive it will be worth the wait, and while I would give anything to have them stay on the book, I'm just hoping the new Loeb/Madeira (sp?) era comes out a rate that will allow folks other than my great-great grandchildren to know the ending.
"All Star Batman & Robin" today? Only one hour to go!
by Squashua
May 16th, 2007
09:29:32 AM
We'll find out if he really is the goddamn Batman if it does.
superhero
by biscuit turner
May 16th, 2007
09:39:20 AM
Don't you get it? Y was never about the search for Beth. Finding her was anticlimactic because it wasn't the climax.
I love reading these
by INWOsuxRED
May 16th, 2007
10:16:52 AM
it just reminds me what a good decision it was to abandon comics. The whole industry is wrong from the top down.
HOLY SHIT FF2 LOOKS HORRIBLE
by INWOsuxRED
May 16th, 2007
10:20:54 AM
http://www.darkhorizons.com/ne ws07/ffe2.jpg
Horray for All Star Batman!
by loodabagel
May 16th, 2007
10:30:53 AM
The greatest comic ever. I bow before it's awsomeness.
What, no love for "Mystery in Space"?
by GenericGeek
May 16th, 2007
10:31:39 AM
It concluded this week, and it was great! I bought the first issue for the retro vibe, then stayed for the great writing and cool characters. Hope another mini is on the way. Anyone? Anyone?
Wrong again, Oscar Wilde 4 Prez
by Ambush Bug
May 16th, 2007
10:31:45 AM
While both books were waaaay late, the redeeming quality of Ultimates lies in the fact that editorial was smart enough to respect the reader enough to supply a simple recap page which would help catch up readers who couldn't remember the last time they read an Ultimate comic.

7 Soldiers just plodded along and picked up on plot points that hadn't been addressed in years, then threw on more incoherent crap just to be safe.

I razz Marvel editorial alot, but they at least know how to keep readers up to date with the recap pages. DC needs to wake the fuck up and give it a try. Especially since their books (for the most part) stick so much to continuity.
"Popeye is Wolverine as designed by Jim Henson"
by CarmillaVonDoom
May 16th, 2007
10:37:38 AM
Thanks Jinxo! Nicely done! That is going on the pull list....and 'Batman Strikes' whoa I didn't even know that book existed.
Detective Comics #359 my fave cover
by CarmillaVonDoom
May 16th, 2007
10:44:26 AM
The Marvel Zombies: Dead Days cover isn't too shabby either!! Talk about some out-of-character actions though, especially Reed. What is Marvel doing with him lately???
Sweet Sassy Molassey!!
by Shigeru
May 16th, 2007
10:46:01 AM
I am really tempted to spew a vulgar, incomprehensible tirade at superhero for bashing the best issue of Y in a very long time. Holy SHEE-ITE did you not get it. You could have just written "I didn't like it" and it would have given us the same amount of information as that half(quarter)-review. GARRR!!!
Ambush Bug (not to belabor an old topic or anything)
by Shigeru
May 16th, 2007
10:51:23 AM
I would imagine that if you were reading one of the trippiest and most ambitious GRANT MORRISON stories in his career, and were confused by it, a single recap page wouldn't have made any difference whatsoever.
Bug, RE: Unique
by Thalya
May 16th, 2007
10:51:55 AM
There's really a lead character named Jon Geoffries? Is there also a character named Wolf Marvman or Simon Walterson?
Ultimates + Ragnarok =
by Shigeru
May 16th, 2007
10:55:55 AM
happy Shigeru.
waydago Looda!
by Thalya
May 16th, 2007
11:02:45 AM
I think we could all take pointers from you and I hope the majors are watching.

"But this comic does make SPIDER-MAN 3 look better. Maybe you should read it before you watch the movie." really needs to be a blurb, my dear Cog.
Mystery in Space - my two cents
by rock-me Amodeo
May 16th, 2007
11:04:50 AM
I have not cared at all for the retread of Captain Weird, or whatever. All the characters talk the same, Starlin is still obsessed with Church/State issues, and the big bad looks like Lord High Papal got caught in a taffy pull. As for Dr. Thirteen - at first, I didn't get it because...I guess I was just slow. But that part ROCKED! There were some laugh out loud parts in every leg of the story. Favorite line from this one "Get the hot chick!" And Infectious Lass gets the explanation why she wasn't chosen - becuase Thirteen's daughter is half-asian. And in comics, we know that all the hot chicks are half-asian... I would recommend this book to any fanboy.
Way to go Looda!
by Psynapse
May 16th, 2007
11:45:42 AM
Me likey (much with the funny!), 30 Helens approve, and the alien monkey eating my brain could not fling poo at it. I bow to you sir. (*_^)
Wilde...
by Ambush Bug
May 16th, 2007
11:49:59 AM
If you're half as crazy-smart as you claim to be, you would understand that in your post, you tried to point out some inconsistency in Sleazy's writing when he complained about the late-ness of 7 Soldiers a little longer in that review, and was more dismissive of the same lack of punctuality of the Ultimates 2. I addressed your Swiss cheese like argument by saying that the late schedule wasn't as much of an issue because Ultimates had a page to recap what had come before. 7 SOldiers did not. Marvel was considerate to those who buy many books and acknowledging the fact that a little recap may help spark some memories as well as interest those who may be picking it up for the first time. 7 Soldiers failed at Stan Lee's 1st and most important golden rule: Every comic is someone's first comic.

Again, you harp on the fact that our mental faculties are deficient because we didn't remember when Expository Butler AKA The Spider farted in panel nine of 7 Soldiers #0 and it was blamed on Teekyl two years later when issue #1 came out.

When we review a book, at least when I do it, I try to look at what is before me. 7 Soldiers was flawed in that the book I was reading in my hands was hard to make out due to too many characters, too many storylines rushed to an end, and too many things just happening out of the blue with little or no sense. To me (which is the imoportant thing to note here), it wasn't an enjoyable read. If you liked it, well then here's a big bowl of gravy for you, but why on earth would you try to put someone down because they didn't like what you liked? How childish is that?

If you want to talk about how you liked 7 SOldiers, taped it to your ceiling, and busted out the lube, then fine. But you haven't done that at all. You have just ripped on anyone who criticizes the book and called them idiots for not understanding it.
Ultimates 2 ending
by Javeyjoe
May 16th, 2007
11:50:43 AM
I liked it. To me it served as a bookend for the 2 volume series and complimented the Capt. America "death at the beginning of issue one.
Ultimates Preview, Page 3.
by JonQuixote
May 16th, 2007
12:09:42 PM
Why does Cap look like Tommy Smothers in that bottom panel? You guys waited how long for that art? Somebody with better photoshop skills than I, please give him a dialogue balloon that says "Mom always liked you best." Thanks. JQ.
Must disagree on Y
by Homer Sexual
May 16th, 2007
12:10:09 PM
OK, I was out of town and haven't read all of last week's stack, and I saved Y for the last read, so I can't say if this issue is a let down. It may be, since the whole "Beth" angle isn't one of the most interesting threads of the book.

But I have to disagree that Y has gone downhill in the last year. I have greatly enjoyed it and felt it was tying up storylines in a most satisfactory manner. In fact, I give it a total "A."

I hate to defend a troll, but...
by Shigeru
May 16th, 2007
12:10:55 PM
"Every comic is someone's first comic." as an excuse is utter horseshit.
Blow me down...
by dtpena
May 16th, 2007
12:18:27 PM
...there!
Everybody knows Ultimate Cap is based on Tommy Smothers
by SleazyG.
May 16th, 2007
12:30:42 PM
...and Ultimate Iron Man is based on his brother, Dick. Also, Ultimate Pietro and Wanda? Donnie and Marie Osmond.

Good to hear from ya, JQ!

Horseshit...not in the least
by Ambush Bug
May 16th, 2007
12:32:00 PM
Stan's credo: Every Comic is someone's first, may be an aged theme these days, but I also think that it is one of the reasons comics have been on the decline. Stan's comment was meant to mean that comics should be accessible to anyone who walks by a comic store and decides to stop in. Today, mainstream comics are anything but. It's the typoe of elitist crap that pans this credo that alienates new readers. And yes, new people in my comic shop are annoying at times, but I have to put myself in check too because I was that little kid 25 years ago who didn't know who Spider-Man was, yet curious to find out. Guess what, that comic that you complained about paying $2.99 for is only going to go up in price if new readers aren't harvested somewhere.
JQ in da hizzle!
by Ambush Bug
May 16th, 2007
12:40:21 PM
Good to hear from you, my snarky Canuck friend!

Sleazy said "Dick Smothers."

Heh.
I see what superhero is saying about Y...
by Ambush Bug
May 16th, 2007
12:49:46 PM
The series has been draggin for the last ten issues. I love the series too, but I feel as if it kind of lost it's stride somewhere around the time before they met up with the pirate chick. Maybe it was the fact that Yorick started banging a few girls (and even knocked one up) that really kind of made me care less about his quest to find Beth. Or maybe it was when guys started showing up like Dr. Mann's father and the little baby kid. Somehow it made Yorick less distinctive. I'm just not so sure, but I find myself looking forward to the end whereas if I liked this book, I should be wanting the end to be far, far away.
Nothing Ritchie has done since "Lock, Stock, Etc..."
by Abin Sur
May 16th, 2007
01:14:57 PM
Has been worth a damn. YES, I'm including Snatch too. As far as Y is concerned - yeah, I started to fade out after the monkey feces, but you know, if they didn't make the lesbian scenes so damn "tasteful" it might still be worth a buy.
"It's the typoe of elitist crap"
by rev_skarekroe
May 16th, 2007
01:21:28 PM
What a fantastic mistake.
"comics should be accessible to anyone...
by Shigeru
May 16th, 2007
01:35:14 PM
who walks by a comic store and decides to stop in."
Way to severely handicap an entire medium. But hey, it's just funnybooks!
And don't you dare call me an elitist and blame me for comics downward sales trends. You think I want every single comic to look and read like SS #1? I don't.
Blame the store owners whose stores still look like dark, dank porno dens. Blame the store owners who take no effort to bring in new readers by fuck, I dunno, organizing their books into easy to navigate sections. Blame videogames for becoming the primary source of adolescent entertainment. Blame the publishers for not taking greater initiative to bring in new readers by supporting beginner-friendly books, instead of just canning them. For putting out derivative crap month after month. For not capitalizing on the enourmous success of their movie franchises. But don't blame ME.

Sorry if I come off as overly confrontational. Nuthin but love.
where the hell is Vale?
by Shigeru
May 16th, 2007
01:37:24 PM

FYI
by Shigeru
May 16th, 2007
01:46:50 PM
please don't associate my opinions with the above post.
Don't worry, Shig, I won't...
by Ambush Bug
May 16th, 2007
01:51:01 PM
Translation from Oscar WIlde's post:

I give a pointed description about what I found to be lacking in 7 Soldiers of Victory #1. See previous post.

Wilde's response: Yer stoopid.

Thanks for proving my point, Brainiac.
Actually, what you're saying...
by SleazyG.
May 16th, 2007
01:54:01 PM
...is that you're a fuckin' jagoff who just doesn't know when to let something go and move on. Unlike the rest of us, you're completely unwilling to admit to mistakes or see anyone else's point of view. And also unlike the rest of us, it's less important to express your opinion than it is to to insult everyone else while acting smug and superior, which is why you've yet to contribute anything of value or provide any sort of insight. Which is why, also unlike the rest of us, you keep getting yourself banned only to come back with a new name and revisit the same subjects and people over and over again.

You're a fucking troll. Not a clever or entertaining or funny one, mind you--just a self-involved one who's completely in love with himself and the little bridge he lives under.

So go right ahead and keep doing what you've been doing, and we'll all do the same: ignoring you and refusing to take you seriously, because you're a waste of fucking time and effort.

I mean, sure, you could always try and contribute something constructive or original or insightful, thereby proving just how smart you really are...oh, wait: no you couldn't. Guess it's back to jerking off over your copy of the SEBASTIAN O trade paperback or Morrison's VAMPIRELLA run for you, eh?

I dunno, I was thinking one or two more lube jokes...
by rock-me Amodeo
May 16th, 2007
01:59:57 PM
...might really have turned the tide. I could be wrong.
Oscar's Mom is Everyone's First
by Squashua
May 16th, 2007
02:00:33 PM
The absolute worst "lack of a summarization of the plot" issue I have ever read was a pre-Infinite Crisis issue of "The Outsiders" by Judd Winnick. This issue was part of a crossover with "Teen Titans" with Indigo turning into a Brainiac plot device, while Superboy went Luthor-nuts in the other title.

This was a crossover that was supposed to potentially bring readers from Titans over to Outsiders and yet,
(1) nothing was recapped.
(2) not one member of The Outsiders was properly introduced.
(3) story elements haphazardly introduced and removed characters arbitrarily.

I miss the days when we not only got a proper short-paragraph "re-cap", but also had notes from the "Adjective-laded Editor-Name" referencing past issues where stories took place.

At least Bendis brought back thought balloons.
And to Follow that up...
by Squashua
May 16th, 2007
02:03:20 PM
In comparison, the associated "Teen Titans" issue had a comprehensive re-cap and a completely understandable story.

Now excuse me while I go update our ComicSpace profile with this week's reviews.
And now to address Shiguru...
by Ambush Bug
May 16th, 2007
02:10:48 PM
which is the argument worth taking part in.

I wasn't blaming you specifically and I do agree with a lot of what you said about where the rightful blame should fall. Store owners, narrow minded publishers, video games, bad parenting, global warming. But I stil think that Stan (while not always dead on in his commentary on comics) did speak wise words when he coined the phrase. The point that proves this? Well, the comics he took part in are still the icons they are today and known by a majority of the public. The stories being made into films are his stories or stories that occurred while he was at Marvel. The stories being remade by the Ultimate U are too with modern tweaks. The Man ain't Buddha, but he did do a pretty good job of making his stories worthwhile, while still thinking like a good salesman.

We now return you to Oscar Wilde who more than likely will continue to berate me for two reviews I didn't even write. Troll on...
Prove you're not a complete fuckin' jagoff, ya troll.
by SleazyG.
May 16th, 2007
02:14:14 PM
Can't do it, can you? Now go back and prove you "pwned" anybody here at all. Anywhere. Ever. Can't do that either, can you? Now try to not come here any more to talk shit because you're so much better than all of us, and we're all so inferior to you, that we're just not worth your time and effort. Can't do that either, huh? Then tell me: just what the fuck can you do? I mean, besides being an annoying douchebag pain in the ass, which you're able to prove every time you open your fuckin' mouth, of course...
I wish I was cool enough to pwn someone
by rock-me Amodeo
May 16th, 2007
02:18:35 PM
Then I would have a reputation of great renpwn. Maybe they would give me a crpwn!
Oscar Wilde 4 Prez is so smart...
by stones_throw
May 16th, 2007
02:18:46 PM
... his crowning glory is when an @$$hole misremembered a story arc from THE INVISIBLES.

...he knows how to make lots of fancy user IDs so it looks like people are agreeing with him.

...he understood absolutley EVERYTHING in 7 SOLDIERS. Just doesn't fancy explaining it.

It's "Your" not "You're"
by Squashua
May 16th, 2007
02:18:52 PM
No contraction for the possessive, "looser".
Dont you mean "crpwning glory?"
by rock-me Amodeo
May 16th, 2007
02:19:35 PM
just askin
and maybe we should take out more 'p's
by rock-me Amodeo
May 16th, 2007
02:23:28 PM
cause that's how we rpll. That's it. If Pscar dpes it, we shpuld all dp it, dpn't ypu all think sp?
uhnnn I meant "o"s
by rock-me Amodeo
May 16th, 2007
02:24:46 PM
got a little too silly for my pwn good...
Ultimates Vol. 2 # 13 = letdown
by Mr Incredible
May 16th, 2007
02:26:40 PM
To those who haven't read it yet, prpared to be underwhelmed. Other than the crass giant fold-out smackdown (not the ads, but the Ultimates D.C. superfight), there's not much here after an eight month hiatus. The ending was contrived, the character left with lame sitcom wrap-ups, and Marvel has my four bucks, because of my own volition. We deserved better than this. Or did we?
Bug, don't you recognize?
by Homer Sexual
May 16th, 2007
02:27:52 PM
Oscar used to be here under another, rather unpopular Star Wars-based name, until he accidentally posted replies to himself. At least, I believe it is him under a new nom de keyboard.

To my surprise, I liked Marvel Zombies: Dead Days. No interest at all in the Evil Dead crossover, since I hate that mixed-media stuff. And I dropped Ultimate X-Men because Kirkman's writing on that one is just horrendous. I actually bought Dead Days for my 12-year-old nephew, but surprise....I really enjoyed it. I liked the backstory on the whole zombie plague, and out-of-character behavior doesn't bother me in "alternate" worlds. Perhaps a bit misogynistic, but way above average for Kirkman, a solid "B."

Finally, a question: Should I know already what's going on with Mary Marvel? I see a lot of chatter about "what's being done with her," but I don't really know what that is?

Really finally: Ultimates 2 si finally concluded! YaY! Trade Paperback soon to come. If ever there were a book meant to be read in collected format, it's Ultimates.

Wait, Beth wasn't a major issue in Y: THE LAST MAN?
by superhero
May 16th, 2007
02:29:00 PM
What the fuck are you guys talking about??? It's a huge plot point of the book!!! You may disagree with me on how the past year of Y has been going but to say that the search for Beth wasn't a huge part of this book is ridiculous!!! I mean there are whole chunks of issues devoted to Yorick's wanting to find his Beth!! And as far as this past issue not being about the reunion...of course...the next issue is. But it HAPPENED in this issue and the buildup to it was lax at best. No suspense whatsoever. And great, sure, 355 takes off in this issue but if you think this is the last we see of her you're on crack! And if we're going to debate the pacing on the past year of Y are we going to talk about at least TWO frackin' filler stories with characters no one really cared about or really wanted to see again? Huh? Are we? Huh??
Yeah, stones_throw! Who ARE you?
by SleazyG.
May 16th, 2007
02:31:34 PM
Cuz clearly, not just anybody can come in here and talk shit! You gotta be an Officially Licensed Troll before you can start pulling that shit! If you want an application, just stop by the basement of Mamma 4 Prez's house. Don't worry, the printer's manned by a mouth-breating OLT at all times, so he'll be able to get you that form right away.
I'm the Goddamn Batman, Asshole!
by stones_throw
May 16th, 2007
02:32:50 PM
And btw, I actually have posted some things about comics I've liked here and why from time to time, instead of just trolling and pointing out how much more intelligent I am than everyone else because I liked a comic some other guys didn't.
Btw, that reply was addressed to Oscy...
by stones_throw
May 16th, 2007
02:34:59 PM
...but it's funnier now that Sleazy G got in first.
Oh, we wreckonize, Homer.
by SleazyG.
May 16th, 2007
02:36:55 PM
Guy's been through a few names. He gets banned, waits a month or two, can't resist any more...and just has to sign back up to say the same tired old shit. We shouldn't let him get us riled up, but after ignoring his shit for weeks at a stretch we sometimes get a little fed up. Like all trolls, he figures poking somebody with a stick until they tell him to fuck off means he won and they lost. Guess that happens all the time to misunderstood geniuses like Hawking and 4 Prez. Must be rough.
Yeah, still not funny...
by SleazyG.
May 16th, 2007
02:41:54 PM
...but you're a regular laff riot, yessir. Fuckin' hysterical. And smart. And pretty and charming and popular, too. Gosh, you really *are* too good for the rest of us. So why not fuck off to one of those places where you'll be appreciated by others as fabulous as you, never to stoop to our level again? Can't fuckin' do it, CAN YA?
Homer, RE: Mary Marvel
by Thalya
May 16th, 2007
02:48:52 PM
Seduction by Jean Loring/Eclipso. It might not be as big a deal if it weren't for the nature of her character. It's all happening in Countdown, apparently.

Here's the relevant cover/solicit: http://tinyurl.com/yvsdzy
If we're going to be going on about adages here..
by Thalya
May 16th, 2007
02:58:00 PM
Can we please remember rule #1: "Do not feed the trolls."

They are irrational troglodytes and you all are demeaned by getting sucked into muck with them.

P.S. "pwned" is so 5 years ago, at latest. Furthermore, you're incorrectly using the verb, Oscar. "Pwned" is passive (that is, something that happens to someone), "owned" is active (something someone does to someone else). Get with the program, boys.
Ah...then I'll stop with the feeding.
by rock-me Amodeo
May 16th, 2007
03:04:06 PM
Thanks, Thalya. (By the way, I have always loved reading your posts.) Sometimes the best way to learn is to simply be shpwn...uh, shown the truth. I now withdraw to parts unknpwn...unknown. Crap, I can't stop!
COGS @$$EMBLE!!!!!
by Thalya
May 16th, 2007
03:05:15 PM
*smacks face* We've got Oscar Wilde and his Bizarro-world cousin on our hands..
I'm here i'm here
by El Vale
May 16th, 2007
03:14:40 PM
Boy, it's been a while huh?

Superhero, you are wrong. Y #46 totally kicked my ass. Sure, it was all about 355 but that's what the whole thing is about as far as i'm concerned. By now it's pretty evident it doesn't matter whether they call eachother dude or not, those two are in love. It's like real life (am i gonna get some shit for saying that), you think you're looking for something and you end up finding something else. And that's why Yorick tells Beth "Fuck you!", because he's resisting this encounter, in a way. Sure, it's sort of anticlimactic, i mean...remember Jesse and Tulip's encounter after all the shit they'd been through when she thought he was dead and he thought she was in love with his best friend? That one made your heart race. But that was about different things, it was about two people who love eachother more than anything finding eachother again. Here? We just don't know. Yorick is a different person now, and he's more 355's than he is Beth's.

And that my friends is how you read a comic you really like. Insightfully and below the surface.
Oscar
by Thalya
May 16th, 2007
03:15:06 PM
Bite me.
for fuck's sake
by Shigeru
May 16th, 2007
03:17:39 PM
do NOT feed it!
WTF?
by Abin Sur
May 16th, 2007
03:18:46 PM
What the hell are you guys talking about in here?
There's always a troll, isn't there?
by El Vale
May 16th, 2007
03:24:02 PM
How abysmally boring.
Vale, superhero, re: Y
by Shigeru
May 16th, 2007
03:26:42 PM
Um Vale I'm not sure I agree with your take on the issue, tho I loved it. The reason Yorick was so freaked out and said "Fuck you!" was because for the past 3 (?) years or so since the plague hit, he's been constantly having dreams about reuniting with Beth only to have her decompose or get killed graphically or something. So it was just too strange for him. The 355 stuff was wonderfull. Especially when she asks him how he just up and disappeared back in DC, and then she does it to him the next day!
superhero, in my post I said that Y #56 was the best issue in a LONG TIME. I don't want to talk about the last year of Y. I want to talk about issue #56. Yes, Beth was and is a great part of the book. There was no buildup to their reunion because it was a *twist ending*! You're not supposed to see it coming. All the readers weren't expecting Yorick and Beth to meet up until the last issue, and BKV throws us a killer curveball by having them reunite 4 issues prior. I thought it was brilliant.
Yo Oscar?
by Psynapse
May 16th, 2007
03:28:50 PM
The ONLY person in this TB amused by your antics IS you. Now what do you think that makes you and what do you think EVERYONE else on this TB thinks of you? Uh-huh that's right: A pathetic fucking troll. Now sit down and SHUT THE FUCK UP already.
Bug
by Shigeru
May 16th, 2007
03:33:08 PM
I'm not sure I buy the whole Stan Lee's books are classics, therefore he's right on some other point argument. Hindsight is 20/20, through rosy glasses. ^_^ I mean, yeah his old books are accessible so I can see a relation but surely you're not suggesting comics should all be formatted like that? Actually it sounded like you were suggesting that.
And besides, I view myself as SS#1 target audience, and if I had never read a comic before and picked it up, I would be fascinated enought to pick up the rest.
can we get a ban already?
by Shigeru
May 16th, 2007
03:36:00 PM

We are the voice of the Rhythm Nation
by Thalya
May 16th, 2007
03:42:43 PM
So can someone tell me who has mystical rainbow powers in Ultimates #13? For real?
Hey Bushie Bug!
by Borgnine JR
May 16th, 2007
03:44:53 PM
Good job reviewin' this time I picked up a few on yer say so(Nova IS good)and was pleasantly surprised. Yawta get Harry to let ya write more than just reviews about comics. This don't mean i wanna swap spit with ya in a warm shower.
Y the Last Man - Hey, HEY!
by Squashua
May 16th, 2007
03:46:37 PM
Shit. I can't even participate in all the pwning b/c youse guys is all spoiling Y for my pwned "waiting for the trade" @$$.

Anyone else more than a little disappointed they aren't getting any oscar attention?

abloo bloo
Well Mission Accomplished right asshole?
by Psynapse
May 16th, 2007
03:47:39 PM
So how about that cup of SHUT THE FUCK UP.
Shig
by El Vale
May 16th, 2007
03:50:48 PM
Yeah, that's the apparent reason he's so freaked out. But that's what i read into the whole thing.
Rainbow powers?
by SleazyG.
May 16th, 2007
04:02:33 PM
Not exactly. See, Thor? Norse god. How do the Norse gods travel from Asgard to Midgard (Earth)? They travel across a rainbow bridge. So what happens when Thor opens the gateway to the rainbow bridge? Well, Norse gods and warriors and shit show up to kick frosty ass. Meanwhile, Loki is summoning up all kinds of serpents and trolls and shit to fight 'em off. Tasty Norse goodness entails, with nary a confusing "Thee shalt get thouest" anywhere to be found, thankfully.
Woah..
by Thalya
May 16th, 2007
04:09:41 PM
And here I was expecting Starlite to come galloping down the bridge, with Twink on his back distributing star sprinkles everywhere, and *smacks face again* dammit I'm inadvertently starting to pervert a beloved childhood memory of mine so I'd better just shaddup..

P.S. I do believe there's been a banning. Star Sprinkles for everyone!
You Know Which Troll I Liked?
by Buzz Maverik
May 16th, 2007
04:11:18 PM
I liked the one that said something about the @$$holes being the crew at the stockroom in Costco. Because it would be cool if we were.

I'd be all:"Will you get those fuckin' TVs down here? We need 'em on the floor!"

And Bug would be all,"I'm trying to get the column together! Who threw that?"

While Squashua and Superhero raced forklifts, Sleazy would zip in on a motorized handcart and say, "Man, can you believe the housewives today? Ever since the built that housing development...those boys are doing alright for themselves."

Bug:"The column is fucking short! Buzz, could you please fucking write something?"

And I'd say,"No,man, ever since my promotion, I don't have time."

ALL:"But yer just third-associate-assistant-stoc kroom-manager."

Accessibility of comics - Does Stans rule still hold?
by rock-me Amodeo
May 16th, 2007
04:17:56 PM
I DO believe in what Stan said: every comic is someone's first. That said, it would be unwise to build a marketing plan around it solely, because those of us who have been reading for 10, 20, 30 (or more, like me) years would really be bored to tears. I tend to skip the first page synopsis, frankly...but I APPRECIATE its necessity.

I think what’s being said is that sometimes its really helpful, and sometimes it's a distraction. On crossovers trying to gain new audiences, one would think it would be there. On a summation of the efforts of several books, it's (obviously) debatable – one could argue that only fans would pick up the book, so why put it in, and one could argue that a well-done explanation could cause readers to seek out the originating volumes.

Likewise, Stan's wisdom re:format is an ipso facto argument. But it should also be noted that Stan would not have created a Wolverine (in his current form), or a Ghost Rider, or any of the darker and more popular characters, so clearly it's an evolving medium where some of Stan's original creations have not stood the test of time unchanged. (Yet Spiderman and the FF are remarkable UNchanged, and they are still flagship products.)

Personally, I appreciate that the synopsis is the rule. But there are exceptions, and what those should be...well, that's just a difference of opinion, I think. And everyone's opinion (on this particular topic) seems to be pretty well informed.
btw, before my brain fizzles again, Amodeo..
by Thalya
May 16th, 2007
04:23:11 PM
Thankee! BTW, cool beans on getting some well-written reviews published.
Stan Wanted A Comic Starring Satan.
by Buzz Maverik
May 16th, 2007
04:26:50 PM
You gotta remember, Stan's not a geek. He's a hustler. He was a poor kid and he knew he was in a trendy pop medium. In the 70s, when superhero comics weren't selling as well, and THE EXORCIST and THE OMEN were blockbusters, Stan told Roy to give Satan is own comic, or at least a try out in MARVEL SPOTLIGHT. Roy's sanity prevailed and instead we got GHOST RIDER and SON OF SATAN.

That said, I don't think you need a synopsis with a lot of modern comics because they'd read like this:"People talked a lot and did nothing last issue..."

Heh...I forgot about that!
by rock-me Amodeo
May 16th, 2007
04:33:18 PM
I forgot about the Ghost Rider bullpen story. And you're right, Stan was a marketer first, not a "purity of concept" kind of guy.

As far as your generic synopis, we could do a whole nother talkback on how wordy comics have become, LOL...
Just wondering...
by Thalya
May 16th, 2007
04:40:51 PM
Forgive me for not having read any Seven Soldiers yet, but wasn't the point about issue #1: "ooh, look, the first issue of a comic! I think I'll pick it up, get in on the ground floor, an-what the heck's goin' on?!?!". The point being that anyone's first issue is always in medias res and comics at this point in the game, in universes that have heavy back-history, are about simply hooking people and encouraging them to go on a treasure hunt of back issues and delve where they want in this big gigantic sandbox? I think anyone getting into comics in this day and age, save for the really young'uns, would have that understanding upon taking the dive in, especially when it's general knowledge that these blockbuster comic-based movies are derived from decades worth of source material.
Y Stuff
by superhero
May 16th, 2007
04:55:08 PM
OK, fine Shig, you want to talk about one issue of Y? Well, as far as I'm concerned one issue of a serialized, monthly comic does not exist in a vacuum. It depends upon what came before it story-wise. Especially something like Y that is a long protracted story lasting something like 60 issues. Sure, each issue must be individually impressive but each issue is also dependent upon the story before it. Not so much with something like Spider-Man or Superman but with a title like this it absolutely depends on what’s come before it. So if issue # 46 of Y THE LAST MAN suffers because of the issues leading up to it that is something I have to take into account while reviewing it. Especially as a Y: THE LAST MAN fan. Try and say that three times fast.

I get that it’s supposed to be a surprise ending. Fine. I didn’t see it coming but the surprise wasn’t that shocking to me. And that is because of poor pacing and mediocre storytelling. Sorry. But this book’s been off its game. It’s true. And the ho-humness of this “shocking twist” is the evidence.

Vale, please, get over yourself. If you had read Y as “insightfully and below the surface” as you claim to have you would have understood what Yorick meant when he said “Fuck You” to Beth. Shig got it so maybe he’s the one who read the book “insightfully and below the surface”. And as far as Yorick being in love with 355? No, I’m not sure I agree with you on that. I think they both have a love for each other that’s beyond what ‘Rick and Beth may have ever had but it’s not just a romantic “We’re in love” type of thing. I think that it’s developed into something that is more like family or siblings have for each other. I think that 355 tears up in the book because she knows that ‘Rick no longer needs her anymore once he’s completed his quest. Also, despite their closeness, she gets that three’s a crowd and that she’d just complicate things if she hung around. Not because Yorick’s in love with her because she’s in love with Yorick. ‘Rick is much like many people who have a best friend of the opposite sex at some point in their lives that they’re not interested in romantically…he’s so thick he doesn’t see it. Sorry you haven’t understood that. But sometimes stuff isn’t so complicated that it has to be read into. Sometimes it’s so obvious that pretentious prigs on message boards like yourself have to make up stuff as they read so they can feel like they know more than everyone else.
By the way...welcome rock-me Amodeo...
by superhero
May 16th, 2007
04:58:22 PM
Love your handle by the way...
Countdown = Please Read DC for Another Year
by dregmobile
May 16th, 2007
05:03:18 PM
Fuck that.

I was actually open to the idea of collecting 52 in the trades until I heard about the ending that stupid WWIII tie in crap. I flicked through this Countdown with hope, but Joker's daughter just does nothing for me. And the art was shit-tastic.

No thanks - I'll just stick to my Detective and JLA treadmills.

Somehow I have managed to maintain an erection for WWH despite not having read the She-Hulk/Tony Stark face off.

And I have no problem with ASM 540. Maybe because I have little investment in the character. I'm in it for the action.
thanks for the welcome, all
by rock-me Amodeo
May 16th, 2007
05:03:33 PM
...and now I need to go buy me some funny-books!
Well first of all
by El Vale
May 16th, 2007
05:05:50 PM
I was kidding, you fuck. I thought it was pretty obvious since i like saying pretentious, self aggrandizing things jokingly to see if they piss some idiot off. Sure enough...

Second, it's not like i didn't get it! How could i not get it? It was RIGHT THERE ON THE PAGE. Yorick said so himself, this is another dream blah blah blah. And i explained what i read into it because i love this book so much i'm thoroughly invested in the characters and maybe i see myself reflected in them a bit so i read it my own way, is that a fucking sin you asshole? Fuck you.
Vale
by superhero
May 16th, 2007
05:15:46 PM
No fuck you you fuckin' fuck...
And y'know what else???
by superhero
May 16th, 2007
05:19:00 PM
Fuckitty fuck fuck fuck!!! FUCK! Wow...look how intelligent I seem! FUCK!
Actually, Thalya, that's the exact opposite of SS #1.
by SleazyG.
May 16th, 2007
05:28:14 PM
They way SEVEN SOLDIERS worked was this: SS #0 comes out. Then you get seven four-issue miniseries following seven different characters. These minis? Released on an intentionally weird-assed staggered schedule that would have taken a full year to come out--if they weren't late. Then, when all those minis are done, you get SS #1, which incorporates characters and elements from both #0 and all seven miniseries. Except that SS #1 came out like a year and a half or more after #0. So yeah: 20 months and 28 lurchingly released issues later, you're supposed to remember everything that went on waaay back in #0. Summary page? Nope. Expositionary catchup over the course of a handful of panels? Nope. Eight different stories converging, with each one getting such short shrift that you're left wondering what the point of anything happening even is? Yup.

#1 needed a lot of things it was missing to work: a recap page because it was so incredibly behind schedule (well over half a year, if I remember correctly), subtle reminders of what had happened, more than three pages spent per character, and--most importantly--some heart. Some of the series felt empty and paint-by-numbers, and when you're only giving each one a coupla pages, you need to give the reader a reason to give a damn. For some characters there was, and for some it just lacked resonance. It was an interesting idea, but was lacking a bit in follow through and in emotional grounding. Not unusual for Morrison, really, but disappointing nonetheless.

What reviewers really should do.....
by Homer Sexual
May 16th, 2007
05:46:47 PM
I really appreciate the reviews and hang out here all the time. I would like to ask the reviewers to do what reviewers are supposed to do: Write a review. Leave it at that. Let us talkbackers debate the review. It is really demeaning to have a reviewer engage in a snotty exchange with talkbackers.

OK, I must admit that I do not care for the reviews of 2 or 3 of the reviewers, and I may criticize their reviewing skills. I certainly do not expect one of these reviewers to start insulting me or getting all huffy because I didn't agree with the review. If I were vale, I'd be offended by what superhero said. I'd expect it from a talkbacker, but not a reviewer.

Homer...
by superhero
May 16th, 2007
05:49:51 PM
Then you are on the wroooonnggg site my friend...
Yeah, no, really Homer...
by superhero
May 16th, 2007
06:02:41 PM
Wait, so Vale can make a snide comment directed at me and my review (He said he was “kidding”, fine that’s cool. But as we all know “kidding” doesn’t always translate on the internet.) and, what, because I wrote a review and am a reviewer I’m just supposed to sit back and accept what someone says without rebuttal? Please! How long have you been coming to this site??? That’s what talkbacks are for! To talk about the reviews! Should I just be confined to talking about Ambush Bug’s, Sleazy G’s, Professor Challenger’s, or rock-me Amodeo’s reviews? I mean, really, Homer…what site have you been going to for the past couple of years????
You're whining over the term "Lady Boys?"
by TheGhostWhoLurks
May 16th, 2007
06:56:09 PM
Yet you're writing reviews for AICN? Please do us all a favor and grow up.
Oh Goodness, Things Got Nast-Y.
by ArcherNX01
May 16th, 2007
07:12:52 PM
So I have a busy day at work, and see what I miss? I even missed all of the Oscar stuff before he was booted. Damn.

OK, Vale... that argument blew. the "joke" would have worked, but with a better set-up.

superhero, no worries! yay for discussion on the TB, tis a great thing. :) As far as this issue of Y went. I still believe it was all about closure for 355. To her, she is finally done with the shenanigans of Mr. Brown, for better and especially for worse. But BKV... I too have serious, serious doubts that he's done with her. Personally, I think it'd rock if she was gone from the book for good, or at least shown to be watching from a distance, but with no in-story character interaction. This past year? Meh, I'll agree that it was so-so. But I will say that I did buy the Dr. Mann's daddy with the monkey poop after the third time I read it. after all, SOMEONE had to handle Ampersand, why not the dude who caused it in the first place? I do have one question though superhero, what DID you like about this issue? after re-reading all your comments, I can't find a single thing you've said that says "yeah, there's some good stuff, stick around 'til the end" nor anything like "drop the book like it's Hasselhoff". It's easier to list the faults of someone/thing, but it's far harder to also list the positives of something you don't agree with. (Wow, I feel like I'm back doing my Student Teaching self-analysis in Senior Year again.)

On a side note, I can't wait til next week's review of the stalemate that was Uncanny X-Men

Hmmm, Does Oscar have a "p-face"

SleazyG., Ambush Bug, Psynapse, Thalya et al.
by Mr. Nice Gaius
May 16th, 2007
08:10:05 PM
Regarding Oscar Wilde 4 Prez, I just want to say that you guys are truly a sight to behold. The "pwnage" was magnificent.

Gentlemen...I salute you.

The final scene in Ultimates works thematically
by ChorleyFM
May 16th, 2007
08:17:34 PM
As was said by an earlier poster (I checked to see if the comment had already been made) it clearly intends to bookend the series. Admittedly it might not fully work if considered solely in the context of the issue, but it does terms of the concluding the story Mark Millar wanted to tell, which primarily focused on the modernization of Cap. Of note is the fact that the picture Gail gave Steve Rogers was featured in issue one of the first volume prior to the paratroopng.
You're whining over the term "Lady Boys?"
by Javeyjoe
May 16th, 2007
08:55:27 PM
Not to mention the gripe that it makes him apparently "smarmy" and not charming. Um, isn't this supposed to be a re-imagining of the characters or was the original Hank Pym a wife beating traitor to his country. Was the Hulk a mass murderer? I mean, the only merit behind that critique is that you didn't like it, not that it interferes with the story. Typical AICN review, "I think it sucked, so it does. That's how my sister grades movies.
ChorleyFM
by Javeyjoe
May 16th, 2007
08:56:17 PM
Check my earlier post, we are on the same "page", if you will.
But Sleazy..
by Thalya
May 16th, 2007
08:58:09 PM
I know about issue #0 and the 7 four-issue minis. I think the rationale I described is the entire point behind the numbering system they used. If a person unwittingly picks up #1 thinking that's where it starts, they're totally screwed, but hopefully they like or are intrigued by at least one of the storylines enough to maybe go back and get that particular mini.

The design of the whole release structure is interesting too. You can follow it as it's getting released in lots of crazy, jumping around everywhere conspiracy-driven episodes, or there's the tail-end wait-for-the-trade experience. I almost wonder if there might have been a slight bit of deliberateness on the very late release of #1 specifically so you wouldn't remember anything that had gone before. I think I remember reading a Morrison interview awhile back where it mentioned he wanted to simulate that experience of picking up a comic for the very first time and being thrown headfirst into it all. Maybe the various storylines in #1 were given short shrift because they were more to whet the appetite?

Of course, it still has to come through in the execution and like you say, Morrison may have been too focused on the experiment to give it that needed oomph. Do you think it might've been better if the 7 Soldiers were allowed to meet in any fashion? Or maybe they were deliberately separated so that it'd be less confusing to go back to the minis to learn more about particular characters?

*weak shrug* But what do I know? I haven't read the thing yet.
Man, am I bushed...
by Ambush Bug
May 16th, 2007
09:48:28 PM
What an eventful day. There was a new column, some trolling, a gangpile on said troll leading to a banning, a mini war between an @$$Hole and a cog, and now it's back to bashing on Sleazy because he didn't like what some other people like. When are people going to learn that just because you don't like the same things, that doesn't mean that anything is wrong with them. It just means that they have a different opinion. No need to take it as a personal attack on you. And no need to attack the reviewer. What happened to trying to stick to the material in order to support the argument? It really doesn't help your case that all you have to say is "Typical AICN reviewer..." Is it so hard to give an example of why you think so passionately about the opposite? If "we" are so wrong, it should be pretty easy to not make a personal attack of it and focus on the material. Ponderous, man. Just ponderous. Is healthy debate such a lost concept?
re: Y-the last man and "recap" pages
by sonnyhooper
May 16th, 2007
10:16:23 PM
not for nothing, but in my opinion, i think beth is basically the "macguffin" in Y-the last man. she is what yorick *thinks* is driving his "plot" along, but in the end she really isn't that important. i just get the feeling that Y is going to be less about the destination and more about the journey. anyway this is comming from someone who is "trade-waiting" on Y, so take my 2 cents with a large grain of salt.

as far as the recap page or paragraph at the beginning of late books goes, i see it both ways. i think it's a good idea and only fair considering how late some of these books come out and it is nice to get the reader caught up. but part of me understands that most of the writers doing these types of book aren't really pacing the story for individual issues anymore anyway. instead the writters are thinking about how it will read in the trade paper back.

and yes, i agree, that sucks. but it's just part of the reality of the medium at this point so what can you do? in the end it's just an unfortunate side effect of the medium of comics "growing up", so to speak. even with books i get on a monthly basis, i find i get much more out of them when the story arc or crossover ends and i get a chance to go back and re-read the story as a whole.

so just to "recap" that for everyone: yeah, having a paragraph recounting the main events of a long storyline when a book is late is nice and all. but in the end, if i don't remember whats going on in any given title, i can always get off my lazy ass and find the back issues in the longboxes if i really need to, so it's never been a point of contention for me personally.

Sigh...
by loodabagel
May 16th, 2007
10:25:56 PM

Fisrt off, I would like to thank Thalya, Psynapse and Stones_throw for their fine props. Dregmobile, cool that you disagreed. I'm not going to start a war with you. Sorry, man. We're just too tight y'know? I'd like to really get into the discussion here, but I don't want to reveal any Y or Ultimates secrets to myself, so I think I'll take a break for a few days. Y'all can spoiler the shit out of 'em.

In an unrelated topic, I was in Seattle two weeks ago and I bought a ton of comics, since there's so few available here. I finally picked up Y Volume 6. (I've had Volume 7 since last July and I was itching to read it.) I think the highlight was the Desolation Jones trade. JH William's art is great and I think you all should read it. I didn't pick up Seven Soldiers, but I did get Seaguy. Seaguy was great. I have no idea what happened, but it was good. I'm rereading it now so I can better figure things out. That was confusing enough, so I think I'll wait a bit before I pick up Seven Soldiers.

Finally, I really love that DC has the balls to put out the next issue of All Star Batman. I honestly think I might read it now.

i dunno..
by blackthought
May 16th, 2007
10:31:50 PM
what has been happening in my room...i don't care...but dammit...why must i wait a week for lost? and hmm...i have black thoughts...nothing to do with loki or thor...mostly with banana bread. do with that what you can...i know i will. peace.
ah, keep your chin up bug...
by sonnyhooper
May 16th, 2007
10:41:27 PM
...reasoned debate isn't dead is just depends on who you are talking to, at what time you talk to them and where the discussing takes place. i would submit to you that the internet isn't the best place to find "reasoned debate". due in no small part to the nature of the beast, it's just way too easy for people to act like jackasses when they are nameless and faceless. not to mention that having a reasoned debate takes time, energy and thought. and lets face it, how many people actually have time for that anymore in this crazy mixed up world.

also (and please don't take this the wrong way) but calling yourselves the "leauge of @$$holes" really dosen't set the tone for "reasoned debate". thats kind of like daffy duck complaining that no-one takes him seriously, regardless of the fact that he named himself "daffy" duck. again i say this not to be a jerk, just saying it might be a factor to consider when questioning the lack of insightful debate in the talkback.

Damn. No war.
by dregmobile
May 16th, 2007
10:41:39 PM
Okay, maybe next time?
I want to carve this somewhere...
by Ambush Bug
May 16th, 2007
11:01:34 PM
"We're @$$Holes, not assholes. A lot of people confuse that term. Basically, long ago the Original Ten @$$holes (O@'s) got together and worked it out to mean this: We tell reviews off the cuff and straight from the heart. We won't be bribed and will always give our honest, unbiased opinions. Sometimes, we say things that offend, contradict, and challenge others' opinions, but sometimes the truth hurts and that's why some call us @$$Holes. Our reviews don't come from a mean place spawned from jealousy or arrogance (people who do that are assholes). Our reviews comes from a deep seeded love for comics and a desire to see comics, the characters in them, and the people making them improve the medium for all to enjoy. We hope that our little weekly review column can somehow speak to the masses so that we can enjoy the comics we read more. We also try to provide a vast assortment of reviews to embrace all aspects of comics (a la manga, indie, webcomics) and push the medium forward...we are The League of @$$Holes."
Okay, Ambush...
by Javeyjoe
May 16th, 2007
11:14:04 PM
I am not bashing on sleazy because "he doesn't like what I like", I was ambivalent to the line about lady-boys. I was bashing on him because he bashed Mark Millar in a very immature way that to me, did nothing towards a constructive review but illustrated that Sleazy apparently has a bone to pick with Millar. To quote sleazy, "I mean, come on," - “Ha, ha, look at me—I’m Mark Millar so I can say ‘lady-boy’” in a Marvel comic! Ooooohhh, I’m soooo clever!” It just reeks of schoolboy immaturity, and considering it has exactly not a fuckin’ thing to do with the rest of the story because the Ultimates are never attacked by a team of transsexual Thai hookers, it really should have been cut by an editor." Talk about reeking of schoolboy immaturity and rigid literalism. Now as for supporting an argument as for why Tony Stark said this (which is beside the point) How about that in the next page he's weeping about lost love through betrayal, something he probably never imagined could happen to the likes of him. After all the Iron Man armour isn't the only kind he wears, okay? So maybe as he's trying to fight back that awful feeling he's being a little more flippant, a little more cavalier than usual, to convince himself he's fine, etc etc. There's my 2 cents.
yeah, but bug...
by sonnyhooper
May 16th, 2007
11:29:23 PM
....you can carve that wherever you want, and keep saying it until you are blue in the face, all i'm saying is the name gives off a "negative vibe" right from the word jump.

believe me, i get the place where you guys are comming from, "@$$holes" seems like a clever enough twist to make it exactally as you guys intended it to be when you started these reviews. kind of tounge in cheek but with a deep love of comics. i get that i really do. and i really like the comic reviews you guys do, it's great that someone is representing comics BOOKS (and not just comicbook movies) here at AICN.

all i'm screaming is that some words can't shake their negative vibe no matter how you intend for it be be re-interpreted. it's just someting to consider next time you lament the lost concept of healthy debate in these talkback.

and again, i say this with no malice. and i don't mean to imply that you guys deserve the shit you get from people because of the name you picked. all i'm saying is that as far as names of groups goes,"@$$holes" ....well it ain't exactally "the beatles" now is it?

Also...
by Javeyjoe
May 16th, 2007
11:35:42 PM
"Sometimes, we say things that offend, contradict, and challenge others' opinions, but sometimes the truth hurts and that's why some call us @$$Holes." I guess that goes double for talkbackers. And no, my critique of Sleazy didn't come from jealousy or arrogance, I just thought I was matching his tone.
@$$Holes...
by Ambush Bug
May 16th, 2007
11:53:55 PM
The names worked for six years and counting on this site. I think we'll keep it.
@$$hole Reviews Are The Equivalent Of Punk Rock.
by Buzz Maverik
May 17th, 2007
12:05:46 AM
And @$$hole responses are the equivalent of gangsta rap. Only since we @$$holes are comic book reviewers it's in a much lamer way, because we ourselves are lamer and we're dealing with lamer people.

I stole the @$$hole monicker from Kevin Smith. There was a talkback about JAY & SILENT BOB ARE ALL I CAN DO or whatever it was called, and Harry and Kevin were chuckling over the depiction of "talkback assholes". At first, I was irritated that my friends were spelling it @$$hole, but that became funnier somehow, like when Alex Cox edited out all the swear words from REPO MAN and decided it made a much funnier movie. I found it hilarious that a film director would give a shit what someone said about him on a messageboard. I can see Sam Peckinpaugh or Don Siegel getting their feelwings huht, ya know? So I wrote back: "Dear Kevin, Talkback @$$hole Number One Here"...

I was amazed at the e-hate-mail I got from other talkbackers. Like they knew Kevin Smith. Like he was a friend of theirs. He's not their friend. I mean, I like John Boorman's movies but I'm not going to send ya an e-mail because you make fun of Boorman (and before you shit, I like Kevin Smith's persona and all that. I've just had to realize, over the years, that I don't much like his movies or comics).

Also, at the time, there was another comic book review group here at AICN. They were professionals. How the hell can you be a professional comic book reviewer? And why would you want to? Comic books are supposed to be fun. They are Outside. They are Contra, bay-bee. Fuckin' Contra. These guys were professional because they told us so. Also, they weren't allowed to write negative reviews. They didn't appreciate it when we talkbackers pointed out at the time that they weren't really reviewing: they were advertising for free. Also, they weren't allowed to swear. Swearing, the head pro told me, meant you didn't get quoted in ads. "So you are advertising?" I said. In one of our first columns, insane Canuck "Yukon" Jon Quixote started off with a list of swear words. We got a nasty post from the other guy about that. I kind of agreed with him. "Fuck yeah," I said.

The funny thing about developing the @$$hole person was that it soon became apparent that many fans weren't really all that interested in comics. They followed a writer (never an artist any more) and called him a creator, even though he didn't create anything. It was like they thought the writer was their friend and they had to protect him. Maybe he had a messageboard they posted at. It seemed strange to me that people would base their self images on guys who wrote comic books. I mean, I still think Marv Wolfman is the greatest but I don't get my identity from him. @$$holishness seemed like a way to help our fellow fans out by example. Never once worked.

People would bitch about our qualifications, our professionalism, etc. How the hell does someone have qualifications to review a comic book? It's a comic book. Read some comic books and yer qualified to review a comic book.

Taking a cue from Smith (and hip hop), @$$holes always seemed ready to mix it up with the talkbackers. Sometimes, it's just for fun. Sometimes, we forget to be cool (but really how cool can guys who review comic books be?) I still find the idea hilarious of a comic book guy who comes across like surfer defending his breaks. Deluded characters and personas are funny to me.

I think @$$hole is a great name. It's memorable. It's vulgar. It says it all.

Well said, Buzz
by chrth
May 17th, 2007
04:14:18 AM
hey, like i said....
by sonnyhooper
May 17th, 2007
06:32:51 AM
....i'm not trying to be a jerk. just making an observation. to me complaining about lack of civilized debate in a talkback that comes with the sub-title "@$$hole" strikes me as strange. it's like someone opening up a bar, calling/naming said bar "the fight club" and then wondering why they have to mop up blood off the floor every night. you dig?

again, i'n not suggesting you guys should change the name or that you need to stop being who you are, or that you deserve the shit you get from some people. just suggesting that, all things considered, the occasional person acting like an "asshole" in the talkbacks is just par for the corse, so to speak.

Accessibility
by stones_throw
May 17th, 2007
06:35:48 AM
I realise the debate has kind of moved on now, but I thought I'd drop in my 2 cents. Firstly, I don't think it's supremely important to have an anal recap page or panels explaining everything that's gone before. Show, don't tell. The most important thing is that a reader who hasn't read the previous few issues can still enjoy and be intrigued by the story. If you're reading a Spider-Man story you don't have to recap his origin and history every issue, but make sure it's not exclusive to people who've been reading for years. As long as new readers can enjoy the story, that's accessibility. If your comic can't do that, then put it out as a graphic novel, not in a serialised format.
blah blah accessibility
by Shigeru
May 17th, 2007
09:07:59 AM
Ok first off, I'd like to point to Ultimate Spider-Man. That book still has a recap page attempting to explain 108 issues worth of stories. Seriously, if ANYBODY is picking up USM for the first time starting with issue #109.... well the point is, that recap page is laughable.

SLEAZY: "Summary page? Nope. Expositionary catchup over the course of a handful of panels? Nope."
Um this is a bad thing?? You complain about not enough time being spent on character/s and then suggest the book would be better wasting more space on explicit exposition. That kind of thing is the stuff that turns me right off from books when I read it. There is no proverbial wide-eyed golly gee whiz 8 year old with a Spider-Man tshirt, ready to pick up his first comic book, buying Seven Soldiers #1, and then subsequently being turned off by it, doomed to a life of murder and rape.
As far as Seven Soldiers as a whole goes, labrynthine stories aren't automatically a bad thing. Not everything has to be laid out in a concise and logical order. The wait was painful, but just got me more hyped and encouraged me to read more into the series. It's fine if it just wasn't your cup 'o tea, but don't say it was a failure. There's a reason there's still a myriad of websites debating/analyzing SS.
well
by Shigeru
May 17th, 2007
09:10:38 AM
if it wasn't your cup 'o tea, I guess it was a failure to YOU. but yeah.... you know what I'm saying. or do you? do I??? I'm confused.
ComicSpace Account
by Squashua
May 17th, 2007
09:24:53 AM
Updated the ComicSpace Account with a little Ambush Bug-ism. Yes, I'm the one that sends out the weekly bulliten.
The League of @$$holes & The All-Week Cog Smooches
by Psynapse
May 17th, 2007
11:19:18 AM
That's who we are and if'n yeh got sand in yer vagina over that then douche yeh scab. (Not directed at any one person, just sayin'...)
comicspace
by Shigeru
May 17th, 2007
11:20:06 AM
fell off the map for me. became very blah. worth getting back into?
Recaps Can Be Done In Many Different Ways...
by Buzz Maverik
May 17th, 2007
11:24:34 AM
...To recap an entire series is stupid and pretentious, which is why I'm sure they do it in the Ultimate Line.

To me, not recapping at all is giving up. Giving up on the idea that you may have new readers. Talk about CHILDREN OF MEN. Next thing you know, I'll be assigned a mission to smuggle the last new comic reader on Earth to a ship sailed by the Nerd Project.

Good exposition is one natural way. All of us probably reflect on the most dramatic events on their lives, especially the recent ones. For example, I'm sure many of you are thinking,"Okay, I didn't score that time, but almost...I will lose this virginity if it kills me!" Shit like that. Hey, it can even make sense:

WOLVERINE:Hey, Summers, what's wrong with Jeannie?

CYCLOPS:What do you think, man? She just stopped Firelord from burning down the state of New York and used up her power to transport us across the universe. She's out cold."

Marvel used to do them in a light hearted way, back when the only humor in comics wasn't snark and in jokes:"See the woman? That's a clone of the heroes girlfriend. The gent in the tarantula suit would be the Tarantula and the other gent in the jackal suit would be the Jackal. But who's the webbed titan in chains that they're kicking off the bridge? If you don't know that, true believer, you've picked up the wrong magazine. Archie is on the other side of the spinner rack."

ok?
by Shigeru
May 17th, 2007
12:51:49 PM

I stand by my comments on reviewers.
by Homer Sexual
May 17th, 2007
01:29:21 PM
So I re-read the reviews and talkbacks, and I feel good about my commentary on @$$hole reviewers responding inappropriately to posts. I have no issue with a reviewer also posting. Ambush, Buzz and Sleazy all do. If I were to write a review, I would leave it at that and let others defend/attack it. But maybe I am out of step on this. Maybe not, though, because when reviewers start tossing out insults or let themselves be baited by trolls, it makes the whole forum uninteresting.

Superhero responded to Vale by calling him a "pretentious prig" and telling him to get over himself. Is that necessary? Does it add to anything? I'd say not. Should Vale have responded with cursing? Of course not, but he was insulted first, and by a reviewer.

Of course, I love Y, and I really enjoyed the latest issue as well as the past year that seems to have bored many people. I could defend the plot and character development, or I could insult people who don't like it. Being older, I'd prefer option A.

What I do love is getting answers to all my questions here. Thalya clued me in on the Mary Marvel thing, which does indeed sound horrible and like something Quesada would do, but I guess I'll see if the misogynistic treatment of Jean Loring is passed on to Mary Marvel, or if something better will ultimately come out of it. Really sounds awful, but I'll reserve judgment for now.

I'm only after the trolls, meself
by Squashua
May 17th, 2007
01:35:14 PM
'course, you all have me set on "ignore". Except Thalya. She's stalking me.
To each his own
by Psynapse
May 17th, 2007
01:45:17 PM
'kay? 'kay.
There was nothing grown up about saying "lady boy"...
by SleazyG.
May 17th, 2007
01:52:27 PM
...which was my point. It was a childish, sniggering, "look what I got away with!" attitude that continually hamstrings Millar's writing. Dealing with inappropriately mature subject matter in a juvenile manner holds him back when he writes for Marvel, just like in his Spider-Man story when Electro asked a shape-changing prostitute to transform into Spidey. Pointless, inappropriate, and immature. Out of character and unncessary. Takes me out of his stories every time he does it.
Shape-changing Prostitute Spidey?
by Squashua
May 17th, 2007
01:56:22 PM
Was it a male or female prostitute?

What was Electro... DOING... with his Spider-Man prostitute?

Maybe I don't want to know, but you've intrigued me. DAMN YOU MILLAR!

DAAAAAAAMNNNN YOUUUUUU!
"Rigid literalism"?
by SleazyG.
May 17th, 2007
02:02:06 PM
Oh, I get it...he meant *metaphorical* lady-boys. Well, shit, I stand corrected: he *is* more mature than me.
Don't sweat it, sonny...
by SleazyG.
May 17th, 2007
02:12:10 PM
...I see what you're saying, and there's no offense taken. You're not entirely wrong. Everybody's gotta have some kinda standards, though, and while we may draw the line a lot farther out than some others, don't mean there ain't a line. But yeah, I see where you're coming from, believe me.
lady boys and shape shifting prostitutes
by Homer Sexual
May 17th, 2007
02:22:58 PM
Haven't read it, but "lady boys" certainly doesn't sound charming. Of course, Tony Stark has done far worse things lately than use vulgar hate speech.

Electro asking that shapeshifting ho to become Spidey? Well, I must agree with Squashua: That sounds quite interesting. Like Mirror Master becoming a cokehead. While that move was hated here, I quite enjoyed it. Not like MM or Electro have well-defined characteristics to violate, after all. Why not let the villains be kinky?

Well what can I say, Squashua? You give good..
by Thalya
May 17th, 2007
02:45:14 PM
..feedback.


And Homer, I think Mary Marvel's story, as of right now, seems rather compelling. It could turn bad, but I think, if 52 is anything to judge by, the point of her story will be for us to root for her and to see her come through in the end. And if nothing else, that storyline will probably interweave with the Search for Ray Palmer. If there's anyone who can help her come out of her descent after all he's been through, it'll be Ray.
I Have That Same Problem With Millar, Sleaze...
by Buzz Maverik
May 17th, 2007
02:52:46 PM
...At times, he's been my favorite writer in modern comics. Then, he does something where I can picture him writing it. Whether it's a "good" line, like they use in movie trailers (I'm bein' as sarcastic as I've ever been here, I just want everyone to know!), or a deep political insight (old guys from WW II aren't nice by our modern, caffinated only-the-volunteers-fight standards)or the one I hate the most, the Casting Session. Takes me right out of the story and I only see Millar at a word processor. It's like when some author adds a pointless character who happens to have the same name as one of their friends or relatives (I'm thinkin' Stephen King in EYES O' THE DRAGON)just to say hi.
Just to be clear, "lady-boy" isn't hate speech.
by SleazyG.
May 17th, 2007
03:00:49 PM
And I'm not offended or disgusted by or passing judgements on their existence, either. What bothers me is, quite simply, the sneering, juvenile manner in which Millar stark uses it (gee, a pot shot at American politicians!) and its use in a non-MAX title. It's not the existence of the word, it's that it was used in this context and in this location.

For further details on just what a lady-boy (or ladyboy, or lady boy--all spellings are used to refer to the same people) is, feel free to check out the below link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L adyboy

I Agree With You, Homer.
by Buzz Maverik
May 17th, 2007
03:02:46 PM
Although I can no longer review due to a court order in all 50 states and Puerto Rico, I tried to do what you said in terms of the review itself.

I have to admit, though, what I enjoyed responding to were the hate e-mails I'd get. I always begged those guys to post them in the talkbacks so I'd have an audience for the snark fueled horrors I unleashed on 'em but none of 'em would do it. My personal favorite was one guy who told me that he'd never read anything as painfully unfunny as my review since he'd seen GIGLI, which his girlfriend made him see. Of course, I responded in a mature you fashion:"Ha! Ha! You saw GIGLI! And an imaginary chick made you see it. Yer whipped, dude."

Also, no one should call El "pretentious" even though I've done that myself a time or two. In my own defense, I didn't really think he was pretentious but I knew it would get a rise out of him. It's part of the @$$hole strategy of tearing a man down, building him back up part of the way, then delaying the completion of the job until the check clears.

I'd Hate It If Somebody Called Me A Lady Boy, Sleaze...
by Buzz Maverik
May 17th, 2007
03:06:27 PM
Actually, I wouldn't give a shit. Just don't call me a snitch. I got called a snitch once and it really hurt. Just because I ratted that guy out...
The Mighty Lady Boy...
by Buzz Maverik
May 17th, 2007
03:09:04 PM
Bitten by a radioactive finger sandwich, young Craig Canopy was forever altered. He now seeks justice from under a painted face with his pinky sticking out...The Mighty Lady Boy.
Ladyboys!
by stones_throw
May 17th, 2007
04:11:02 PM
"Fascinating people. Looks like a lady, actually a chap."

Anyone seen Alan Partridge

Here's the thing...
by Ambush Bug
May 17th, 2007
04:40:36 PM
Have I ever said something in the talkbacks that I wish I didn't? Hellz yes. All the time actually. It's the nature of the beast here since once it's posted, it's there for the long haul. No edit, what so never. Everyone has days where their tolerance level is low. Sometimes posts are written hastily and impulsively. Everyone makes mistakes, @$$Holes, Cogs, and talkbackers alike. I know that there has been more than one occasion where I get heated up over what someone is saying in the TBs and immediately race to post a response. Most of the time when this happens, I am regretful. And most of the time, had I taken a second to put things into perspective, I would have answered differently or not at all. I understand what you guys are saying about arguments in the talkbacks (no matter who started them), but you guys have to understand that many of us Holes came from the Talkbacks. We love to conversate in the TBs just as much as anyone. The @$$Holes have always had an open forum with readers; answering questions, making further recommendations, making corrections to mistakes that may have been overlooked or misinterpereted by readers.

And that's why I argued the fact that was raised earlier about the @$$Hole name. Sure it is an abrasive title, but for the most part and ironically, our TBs have been the place for civil, intelligent, and fun conversations (moreso than most other pages on AICN). Maybe that's why we react so strongly when a troll does appear.

And I don't think the troll was baited in this case. A conversation was begun and then personal attacks were made (I'm talking about my back and forthing with Oscar). His response was personal and he continued to unravel and make threats and go further off topic, fighting with anyone who would give him the attention he needs desperately.

The conversation between supes and El got a bit heated, but both are seasoned TB pro's and I doubt they are out to start a flame war, and both were willing to give examples and talk things through, even while they were agruing.

No one's perfect, but the difference between those of us still in this TB and the troll who was banned was the fact that (despite momentary detours into bashing) we understand how important it is to maintain respect, focus on the material, and not get personal or threatening.

Even though this wasn't one of the TBs that I am most proudest of, it is still a good place to talk comics and welcome to all who wish to do so.
*sigh* Hey everyone?
by Thalya
May 17th, 2007
05:04:33 PM
Who wants banana bread? *offers up large platterful of the same*
C'mon, Loodabagel, give JMS a break.
by SpacePhil
May 17th, 2007
05:09:33 PM
Sure, I agree with you, ASM #540 was weak sauce. But then again, so have most of the Marvel comics ever since this Civil War crap came around. The entire time I was reading the thing, I could practically hear Editorial breathing down JMS' neck. "Get him in a black costume like in the movie." "Tie it in to Civil War." "He's got to act like this now - who cares about his actual character? Just get it done." Name me any writer in the industry who can produce quality work under those kind of conditions. I still think JMS' dialogue is some of the best I've seen in the recent Marvel mainline comics (though, admittedly, that's not saying much).
I dunno, Phil...
by SleazyG.
May 17th, 2007
05:27:34 PM
...let's look at JMS when left to his own devices: Morlun? Spider-totem mysticism? A female "other" or whatever the hell went on there with that cocoon/Dagobah experience? New powers like being able to suddenly stick a little girl on his naked back that vanish, unaddressed, two issues later? And that's before we discuss JMS's awful DR. STRANGE miniseries or his dropping the ball completely and utterly with SUPREME POWER. I kinda tend to think he's a hack at this point.
I'm gonna take Phil's side here...
by loodabagel
May 17th, 2007
06:03:09 PM
When he first started writing Amazing Spider-Man, it was good. That initail arc is one of my favorite Spidey stories ever. When they first appeared, Morlun and Ezekeil were great characters. Like I said in the review, I think he's a burnt out by now. After he made a forgetful mess with The Other, he's just been coasting on crossovers. Done properly, The Other could've been a swan song to his generally pretty good run. I will say that he did a great job handling Civil War. I'm not his best bud, but right now, I think he's probably jonesin for Thor and could care less about Spider-Man.
Re: Jonesin For Thor
by ArcherNX01
May 17th, 2007
06:32:02 PM
Oooh, that'd be nice. Or maybe it's time for another older revival for JMS in the vain of the Supreme. I've always been a fan of (and consequently missed) Silhouette. She's had a recent revival post-Shrivel War, and I think she could have some interesting relevant stories.
Something I'd like to mention...
by loodabagel
May 17th, 2007
08:37:50 PM
We all know what a classic comic cover is, so what do you think qualifies as a classic cover from a recently published book? Not much really stands out to me, but I think Astonishing X-Men 6 or (sadly) New Avengers 1 are some of the more memorable images of recent memory.
...
by blackthought
May 17th, 2007
09:42:26 PM
hmm...
Covers of note...
by Ambush Bug
May 17th, 2007
09:57:48 PM
I think there have been a ton 0of iconic covers. A lot were mentioned in the last @$$ies, which included anyhting by Jock on THE LOSERS (some of the best covers I've seen in ages), ANNIHILATION #4 with Thanos looming over Drax was my favorite pic, and despite it's problems 52 had some of the best covers I have seen in years; specifically the Halloween cover, the one with Doc Magnus, and Black Adam against the World.
thanks Sleazy, and Bug...
by sonnyhooper
May 17th, 2007
10:09:52 PM
....i feel i owe you an apology. i came late to the party and didn't see/read the back and forth with the troll. (i knew someting went down i just didn't see what was actually said). all i was trying to say is that you should be more zen like in dealing with that type of shit. become "duck-like" and let that rain-water roll right off your back my brother.

guess i just went about trying to say that the wrong way. anywho, i'm glad that got cleared up. here is to hoping that one of you guys/gals reviews "ALL STAR GODAMN BATMAN and ROBIN THEMUTHAFRACKIN' BOY WONDER" next week and we all can have a good giggle together in THAT talkback. cheers up to the @-holes and cogs.

Don't forget...
by loodabagel
May 18th, 2007
12:51:49 AM
That skanky-ass ho Batgirl should be in it too. And those are some good mentions Bug. I was also thinking about the first issue of the Teen Titans relaunch, but it might have been an ode to an older cover. I'm not as well read on my DC.
That Hellblazer cover up there...
by loodabagel
May 18th, 2007
01:01:00 AM
Is pretty good too.
JMS
by Shigeru
May 18th, 2007
08:05:46 AM
I too loved his first arc on Amazing Spidey. You know, the one that won an EISNER? Since then it's been crapola tho.
"ladyboys"
by Shigeru
May 18th, 2007
08:14:44 AM
I finally read Ultimates #13 last night and I gotta wonder how "ladyboys" stuck in your craw. You do realize that in that same conversation Tony Stark says, sad over Natasha's betrayal, and I quote, "She was me with magnificent breasts. Which as you know darling, is one of my ultimate fantasies." LOL come on! Offhandedly dropping ladyboys a few lines later (or was it earlier?) fits perfectly with Ultimate Tony Stark. And isn't that what it's about? Staying true the character? The same character that would fly in after the battle and inquire if anyone would be up for some "rumpy-pumpy"? Ultimate Tony Stark is hilarious. He's um... *supposed* to be juvenile.

This whole issue pushed the right buttons for me, from Bryan Hitch being from another planet, to the nice and sweet bookend with Gail giving Cap the picture he had way back in issue #1.
oh, and also,
by Shigeru
May 18th, 2007
08:19:16 AM
Hawkeye: "You won't see them where you're going. Burn in hell". FUCK YEAH.

Also some righteous pissed-off Thor lines. YOU ARE VERMIN! YOU ARE EXCREMENT!
Ladyboys on Dr. Phil - TODAY!
by Squashua
May 18th, 2007
08:39:36 AM
Seriously.
Jinxo....thanks again for the POPEYE shoutout
by CarmillaVonDoom
May 18th, 2007
09:16:04 AM
I can tell you why you haven't finished it yet...the size! Most awkward book to hold I've ever tried to read. I have to take a break because half the time there isn't any way to get comfortable. Wait 'til you get to the part where Popeye and Castor are in jail...really really good stuff, so ty.
Fuck!!!!
by loodabagel
May 18th, 2007
09:40:44 AM
I almost made it without an Ultimates spoiler. I knew I sholud have stayed away. I knew I should have stayed away.
Joker? Daughter?? Isn't this big news? WTF?
by CarmillaVonDoom
May 18th, 2007
09:43:34 AM
Is this in 'Countdown'???
modern classic covers....
by sonnyhooper
May 18th, 2007
09:55:28 AM
....personally i really liked the covers from the "broken city" story line in batman from a few years back. really modern and minimalist looking but cool in their own way. very similar to the covers from the "100 bulletts" series, but of course thats to be expected since both stoys came from azzarello and risso.
BTW, Looda's Review Was My Favorite This Time...
by Buzz Maverik
May 18th, 2007
10:39:52 AM
Excellent work, man.
Also Dug Jinxo's Popeye Review...
by Buzz Maverik
May 18th, 2007
11:37:11 AM
Coolness personified.
My posts don't disappear when somebody else is banned.
by SleazyG.
May 18th, 2007
05:43:27 PM
As you'll see shortly.
Oh Buzz...
by loodabagel
May 20th, 2007
03:34:59 PM
You're the best. Ha ha ha ha ha! (A little Gwar humor for ya.) I believe that's the first time I've ever said "Oh Buzz! You're the best." In town, there's a guy called Buzz the Bum and we all hate him.
You're not gonna believe this, but..
by Thalya
May 21st, 2007
12:34:16 AM
Issue #2 is finally done! Go here to see what all the fuss was about: http://tinyurl.com/2kyrpp
Screw Popeye and Archie...
by stones_throw
May 21st, 2007
05:06:36 AM
Mickey Mouse is where it's at! At risk of ridicule I picked up the Gemstone FCBD issue with reprints of Mickey Mouse strips from the 1930s and it was pretty damn amusing. Like Jinxo's Popeye review, it certainly was neat how each strip led into the next one, but I was more impressed with Mickey's character. I have never seen him so ornery, in contrast to his regular earnest self. In these strips he was without fail the trouble maker. That mouse really had a chip on his shoulder.
Bah!
by loodabagel
May 21st, 2007
09:09:43 AM
Scrooge McDuck would kick the crap out of Mickey any day of the week. Now those made for some hella good comics. I haven't seen any Mickey newspaper strips, but I bet he didn't wheel and deal like Scrooge.
Received the 28 WEEKS LATER book today...
by stones_throw
May 22nd, 2007
06:17:44 AM
Thanks Bug! Planning to read it once I'm through with all my end of school exams. Next time I buy some GNs I'm definitely gonna get The Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck, I've heard nothing but fantastic things about it.
That is indeed a great book...
by loodabagel
May 22nd, 2007
11:25:23 AM
I particularily enjoyed ihs adventures with Teddy Roosevelt.
By the way, who knew that Ambush Bug's real name...
by stones_throw
May 22nd, 2007
02:11:15 PM
...is almost exactly the same as that of a prominent comic book author? Weird...
I also recieved…
by The Heathen
May 22nd, 2007
04:34:43 PM
My 28 Days Later trade in the mail. Thanks, Bug! You're an @$$hole and a scholar. I read it and I hope to see the sequel movie if at all possible before Pirates. Yarrr…

How about ASBAR, huh? Wowsers. Wonder Woman hates men. Like really hates them. Hates them. *smooch*
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