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VERONICA MARS To
Orbit CW No More??

So fucking lame by XSEDrake	May 16th, 2007 12:36:00 AM
CW just lost half of its viewers. And that's only counting me. i wonder if the other guy will still watch.
Fucking suck... by Zakari Paolon	May 16th, 2007 12:37:37 AM
There's another good show gone from the air. Fuckety-fuck.
:/ by paragraphs	May 16th, 2007 12:39:20 AM
why do shows people care about so much and are so good...veronica mars, firefly, arrested development, etc. get canceled while awful shows stay on the air.
Thanks for spoiling the CW Fall Lineup! by StanTheCritic	May 16th, 2007 12:39:21 AM
Thanks for the spoiler warning. Also where did the LOST talkback go?
Fucking CW/WB/Whatever. by the_patriot	May 16th, 2007 12:42:59 AM
Nice to see that I officially now have one less network to keep track of when scheduling shows to watch. I guess a show like Veronica Mars didn't have enough recycled who's fucking who storylines a la Smallville or One Tree Hill to satisfy the retarded monkeys who put the schedules into the Excel spreadsheets every season. The only show I have any hope for that's left on CW is Supernatural, but I'm not holding my breath on that returning either. I never thought I'd see the day where I would look fondly back and say that (shiver) UPN was a more daring and risk taking network. CW...you've officially joined the ranks of shitty renewal decisions right next to Fox. That's right, watch the CW - Creative Wasteland television. /end rant /yeah, I know it's just a show. Shut up.
More Pussycat Dolls ?!?! by owlcave2	May 16th, 2007 12:43:17 AM
I had a sinking feeling that this would happen. Now the CW can waste our time with more quality programming like the New Pussycat Doll reality crap. Veronica Mars is smarter than the CW.
Die in a fire. by the_patriot	May 16th, 2007 12:48:15 AM
That is almost the final insult, isn't it? That we can't have something smart like Veronica Mars - because of America's Next Top Anorexic or The Search for the Next Singing Whore in Leather? Hopefully we'll at least be seeing Ms. Bell in many things to come...
Man this blows.... by tristeele	May 16th, 2007 12:48:30 AM
Fucking BAD day for me. Jericho and Veronica both gone. Dont give a shit what the haters say. I really enjoyed both these shows and will miss them both. I watch a LOT of genre stuff but man this double whammy really hurts. As stupid as Jericho was at times- it had a BIG heart. I really fucking enjoyed the characters on both these shows. But fuck it- there are always new shows to jump onboard. Im thankful to get 3 great seasons of Veronica and who'd have thought Jericho would even make it a full season? At least Ive still got: FNL, Lost, Heroes, The Office, 30 Rock, Weeds, Dexter, Its Always Sunny, Supernatural, Doctor Who, Torchwood, BSG, Eureka, The 4400, Primeval, Entourage & Bloodties (yes I watch it, so what). Goodbye Logan, Weevil, Sheriff Lamb, Veronica and the rest! Bring on Sarah Conner and some other crazy shows.
FUCK! by runrun	May 16th, 2007 12:52:13 AM
Umm, yeah. Fuck.
ARGH by FakePlasticGuava	May 16th, 2007 12:54:09 AM
I STILL HAD HOPE
But at least by Napoleon Park	May 16th, 2007 12:57:09 AM
Accordian Jim is still on.
FUCK THE CW! MAGAZINE SHOWS? by LordEnigma	May 16th, 2007 12:57:53 AM
Seriously this network is pretty much screwed. Good going Dawn. Your network is pretty much a piece of shit now. Good going dipshit.
"Gossip Girl," "Reaper" and the untitled South Africa p by JediShaft	May 16th, 2007 01:07:59 AM
In my best Carnak voice... What are the first 3 shows to be cancelled next fall.
sigh... by Merlox	May 16th, 2007 01:09:37 AM
I can almost see the discussion in the boardroom now........ "Gosh how can we take a brilliant show and completely ruin it?...I know...let's CALL it Veronica Mars...but it'll just be another fucking derivitve teen drama...and THEN...when we have a chance to re work it and get it back on track...let's shit on it and cancel it..." GENIUS CW...pure and utter genius...and as I've said before...die in a fire...and take fucking Piz with you...
Wow... by DanielKurland	May 16th, 2007 01:09:54 AM
What a fucking awful year for network television. I can only imagine how crazy I'd be going if I was actually working on a show.
shite by Cupid Stunt	May 16th, 2007 01:10:32 AM
oh well no more Veronica Mars, so that means there is absolutely fuck all to watch on the CW!!
GOD FUCKING DAMMIT by Bob of the Shire	May 16th, 2007 01:11:29 AM
Saw it coming from a mile away, but still. Fuck. Television as a medium gets an F- this week. I'll never watch the goddamn CW ever again. My illogical fanboy rage shall never be quenched. How will I fill my Kristen Bell quota now? Fucking CW. Go fuck yourself.
WHY DO I EVEN BOTHER TO WATCH "GOOD" SHOWS??? by zaggnutt	May 16th, 2007 01:13:31 AM
Obviously, serialized, character driven TV is too smart for Joe Six Pack. I should give up and join the zombified brain eating masses in their steady diet of Dancing with the Stars and American Idol. Fukkin' CW. I'd enjoy TV more if I was 50% dumber.
The rubes couldn't understand VM... by Zardoz	May 16th, 2007 01:13:45 AM
...it was too smart and too funny and better than anything the American Idol morons could ever hope to get a clue about. I just watched all of season 2, and I liked it better than the first season (and that was just one huge orgasm!) Farewell, Veronica! You will be sorely missed...maybe some smart network will pick it up instead...? (yeah, like that'll happen!)
Kristen Bell Gotta Eat by Aphex Twin Brother	May 16th, 2007 01:23:22 AM
I mean she really does, I hope she finds work soon. Damn you CW!!! shakes fist into air
The CW Sucks by Eh Nam1313	May 16th, 2007 01:35:27 AM
Smallvile has sucked for so long I am done with this station. Morons running the CW.
I wish Jeff Foxworthy made me laugh... by DanielKurland	May 16th, 2007 01:38:19 AM
I wish I laughed at the antics on According to Jim so hard each week that I kicked the make-shift leg of my end table out from under it. I wish that I had the Next Pussycat Doll on my Myspace. I wish that I knew all the words to the Reba theme song, and that Sanjaya's birthday was on my calendar. That way, when Studio 60, and Drive, and Veronica Mars, and Raines, and The Class gets cancelled I can scratch my head, and say to my blow up doll "What's Veronica Mars? And why is it taking up valuable wrestling airtime on the CW. Oh yes, and pass the fucking America's Next Top Model cereal."
ha ha by phoenixmagi	May 16th, 2007 01:47:01 AM
good bye fat ass Mars. talk about too much junk in the trunk. bye bye u wana be 'Buffy the Vampire Slayer'. all u drooling fan boys don't worry she'll be posing in Playboy soon enough since she can't act for shit and she can't pick a good script to save her life, that ghost movie licked taint. 'waa VM is gone' lol
WHAT?!?!!?!?!?!!???!?!?!?!?!???! ?!!!? by Demosthenes2	May 16th, 2007 01:47:53 AM
I thought I'd read the response to the FBI pitch increased its chances. There's a cold place in hell waiting for CW executives, first not giving Amy Sherman-Palladino what she wanted for the final season (which sucked without her, big surprise). Now they're offing their best show. I would be very surprised if a show comes along that makes me watch the CW again, which is surprising since I used to think it was under-the-radar heaven for cult shows, Buffy, Angel, and Veronica, and smarter-than-you'd-expect soaps Gilmore, Felicity, and hell even the first two seasons of Dawson's had me hooked. I wouldn't think a fledgling network like CW could afford to off its best-reviewed show and maintain any dignity in the critics' eyes, but I guess it's all about the bling bling from Cover Girl and Neutrogena.
This is worse than when they cancelled Angel by barrettw	May 16th, 2007 01:50:10 AM
Veronica Mars was cancelled so late that it won't get a proper ending. I have no doubt that the same people were involved in this decision as well. If it would do any good I would seriously consider picketing the CW office.
Phoenixmagi, you're welcome to your opinion... by DanielKurland	May 16th, 2007 01:50:30 AM
but I think it's impossible to watch season one, episode 21, "A Trip to the Dentist" where Duncan reveals something to Veronica at his doorstep, and still think that Kristen Bell cannot act.
So I guess the actual story is... by DanielKurland	May 16th, 2007 01:54:13 AM
The network, while not having VM on their schedule have not offically cancelled it, and don't have to make an actual decision until June 15, giving Rob Thomas time to write a fourth season premiere to show them. I'm personally just assuming it's done with to not get my hopes up, but if Thomas DOES write this script, he better please post it on his website, so we can at least see what he would have done with everything.
who is actually shocked by this news? by Boomers_Lips	May 16th, 2007 01:54:47 AM
cause im not.
I think Dawn could have saved this show by barrettw	May 16th, 2007 02:01:57 AM
If she wanted it bad enough. I guess she just liked money better :(
Hell no! by George Peppard	May 16th, 2007 02:16:11 AM
See you in oblivion in 3 years, CW.
Didnt this show... by Mezzanine	May 16th, 2007 02:55:48 AM
Have Paul Rudd as a guest star last week? PAUL MOTHERFUCKING RUDD??? And people are surprised it got canned... Although I can't say one way or another, I never really watched it.
Oops, spoke to soon by Napoleon Park	May 16th, 2007 03:07:08 AM
"But at least "Accordian Jim: is still on," I japed prematurely. No, it's not. Yay!
This almost certainly sucks ass: by newc0253	May 16th, 2007 03:24:44 AM
if they cancel VM, the CW's stupid asses can consider themselves already fucked.
I said by phoenixmagi	May 16th, 2007 03:29:45 AM
ha ha
Y'a Know Phonenixmagi......... by lost.rules	May 16th, 2007 04:35:07 AM
You really piss me off! Veronica Mars Rules!
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! by Mr_X	May 16th, 2007 05:13:31 AM
DO NOT WANT!
I said by Mr_X	May 16th, 2007 05:21:29 AM
phonenixmagi, carry on watching shit tv like how i fucked your mother.
I want to do.... by mrtwig48	May 16th, 2007 06:08:42 AM
....ass to mouth with Veronica Mars.
Morning update from Ausiello: by Pennsy	May 16th, 2007 06:13:49 AM
"Last night at ABC's upfront bash, a high-level Warner Bros. executive confirmed what I first reported yesterday: It's entirely possible that the CW will delay a decision on Mars' fate until after Thursday's upfront. Contractually, the net has until June 15 to reach a verdict, and the extra time would allow Rob Thomas to produce an actual script for VM in the FBI. That's one scenario. The other scenario is that the show is dead. I think we can all agree that Scenario One is preferable. One thing is certain: VM will not be on the schedule that Dawn Ostroff presents to advertisers on Thursday morning. The messenger wishes he had better news."
le sigh by Yeti	May 16th, 2007 06:24:33 AM
at least Smallville (crapfest that it is) and Supernaturla will be back
BULLSHIT! by contagion	May 16th, 2007 06:33:41 AM
What a worthless fucking network... You'd think with Seventh Hell, and Gilmore Whores ending, they'd have room for VM... Cocks, all.
Welcome Back UPN by Rejected_By_Most	May 16th, 2007 06:52:21 AM
Bye Bye WB..This sucks.
Without all of her makeup on by SithMenace	May 16th, 2007 07:08:27 AM
Kristen Bell looks like a down syndromed 13 year old boy. Done up though she's hot and I would tap that big ass.
Is the CW trying to drive us all away? by ExcaliburFfolkes	May 16th, 2007 07:37:30 AM
After cancelling all their best shows (Gilmore Girls, 7th Heaven, Veronica Mars) what have they got left to offer? Those new shows they're debuting this fall better be awfully darn good if they expect us to keep tuning in to their network.
Unscripted magazine show? Die in a fire. by MetiphisLabs	May 16th, 2007 07:39:41 AM
Veronica Mars was an amazing show.
well, one less network to watch by Atomik Steve	May 16th, 2007 07:56:29 AM
I guess CW will continue to air trashy shows and not support the one intelligent show that they have. Thanks for nothing CW!
FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! by erichaislar	May 16th, 2007 08:08:22 AM
THIS IS BULL SHIT!
Theres still a slight chance it will be renewed by provider84	May 16th, 2007 08:18:25 AM
Then gain I thought that with Angel... I cant believe the CW are renewing shit like One Tree Hill, the storylines are awful and the cast all look the same. And Supernatural, cummon most of the episodes in this have been done by The X Files redone on Buffy by way of Angel and recycled to bad affect on Smallville. Quality means nothing.
DON'T BE AFRAID, HERC! by biggles2_22	May 16th, 2007 08:22:02 AM
LOST TB NOW!
actually kind of a relief by mthrndr	May 16th, 2007 08:27:19 AM
Now I can ignore "the CW" the way I've always wanted to. I think the merger of the WB and UPN into CW will go down as one of the biggest failures in network history (Katie Couric notwithstanding). Loved Veronica Mars, but always hated that network.
The CW started the pooch screwing by... by Abin Sur	May 16th, 2007 08:33:12 AM
Renewing that trash heap that is 7th Heaven. Seriously, the ONLY reason to watch that show was for Beverly Mitchell's chest. Way to think YOUNG, CW.
Damn you Herc.... by Darth_Nader	May 16th, 2007 08:46:19 AM
For shame having no final GG talkback. SHAME!
The only thing I use the CW for by SithMenace	May 16th, 2007 08:53:07 AM
From 11 pm to 1 am they have a block of two King of Queens episodes, South Park and That 70's Show. I don't watch a single original program on that network.
Oh and Herc by SithMenace	May 16th, 2007 08:56:15 AM
would it kill you to have some kind of time consistency with the Lost talkback every week? Keep that in mind once February rolls around.
Well..... by erichaislar	May 16th, 2007 08:58:23 AM
If none of us watch the final we could take last nights episode as a good closer for the series it did wrap up most things.
Well..... by erichaislar	May 16th, 2007 08:58:27 AM
If none of us watch the final we could take last nights episode as a good closer for the series it did wrap up most things.
Not %100 true. by Mooly	May 16th, 2007 08:59:37 AM
While I agree with the notion that Veronica Mars, as a show, is dead and won't be back...there are still the linering rumours that the 4th season would be a whole new show. I see no reason that the supposed "4th Season" with Veronica as a rookie FBI couldn't end up with a different name since the show is completely different. They could keep the character named Veronica Mars and just treat it as a whole new show. So technically the original idea could show up but it just wouldn't be called Veronica Mars. Nothing is certain of course, but it wouldn't surprise me if that is what they did. The FBI 4th season wasn't going to have any returning characters anyway. So why bothering keeping the shows name is everything else was totally different.
HOLD THE PHONE!!!!!!!!!!! READ THIS by erichaislar	May 16th, 2007 09:01:08 AM
Question: I don't understand you. First, you reported that Veronica Mars' chance of survival had gone from "so-so" to "pretty good." Now with the news that Rob Thomas has been asked to run a new pilot on CBS, VM’s chances have gone back down to "slim." What gives?— Gina Olson Ausiello: What did I tell you about shooting the messenger? The messenger is just doing his job. The messenger is good. And the messenger has an update: Last night at ABC's upfront bash, a high-level Warner Bros. executive confirmed what I first reported yesterday: It's entirely possible that the CW will delay a decision on Mars' fate until after Thursday's upfront. Contractually, the net has until June 15 to reach a verdict, and the extra time would allow Rob Thomas to produce an actual script for VM in the FBI. That's one scenario. The other scenario is that the show is dead. I think we can all agree that Scenario One is preferable. One thing is certain: VM will not be on the schedule that Dawn Ostroff presents to advertisers on Thursday morning. The messenger wishes he had better news. There is still a chance!
Sucks by optimus122	May 16th, 2007 09:02:37 AM
But with ratings that poor it didn't have a chance of returning..WAR VERNOICA MARS!!
Veronica in the FBI... by Abin Sur	May 16th, 2007 09:04:15 AM
Could be very cool - watching her draw down on the bad guys. Call the show "Quantico" or something like that. Because the way CW's schedule is looking, they've got ZERO strong female characters.
So is Veronica Mars gone altogether or... by photoboy	May 16th, 2007 09:19:37 AM
... just the show in its current incarnation? i.e could the VM in the FBI thing still be on the cards?
To those being hopeful....give it up.... by jojo-pimp	May 16th, 2007 09:47:30 AM
the show really isnt going to come back....seriously...not next season, not 2 years from now..not with her in college or working for the FBI. Its ok....its time to let it go....all good series must eventually come to an end. it will be alright!
ehh by Shakes	May 16th, 2007 10:17:29 AM
I tried watching this show last week. It was the Paul Rudd episode. I turned it on with an open mind and it just didn't do it for me. I'm a firm believer in that you can watch the first 5 or 10 minutes of a show and be able to tell if you like it. That's how I found House, and Arrested Development, and The Office. I also tried to give Jericho a chance and just couldn't get into it. So with that said, I know a lot of you loved this show, and I'm sorry for your loss.
NOT GONE by dreamwriter1888	May 16th, 2007 10:19:19 AM
Those magazines are all wrong. Nope I'm not an employee or anything but a die-hard fan who's here to say that the reports are wrong. Veronica Mars WILL be back in one way or another! And when the announcement comes and all cheer, I'll simply be staring down and laughing at your ignorance in thinking that this show would die. HAHAHAHAHAHA!
Fuck the CW. Fuck it up its stupid ass. by GenericGeek	May 16th, 2007 10:46:16 AM
Let's call it WC from now on, because it's obviously a place for poop.
Let it die~! by the_pissboy1	May 16th, 2007 10:52:29 AM
I've given away about ten copies of season 1 and 2 for xmas and b-day gifts over the past few years. I've sucked in so many viewers. And yet, like I felt toward the end with Arrested Development, I'm just tired of putting my cash and my efforts into saving a show. Just let it die. Season 3 sucked ass anyway.
Just decide already by ghj	May 16th, 2007 11:12:58 AM
I find it annoying that no one even knows whether the next episode is the final one or not. I just wish the cast and crew were told this was going to be the final season in advance so the writers could have planned for it and gone out with a bang.
ITS OVER!! by jojo-pimp	May 16th, 2007 11:25:33 AM
MOVE ON ALREADY!!!! If the CW cant make up its mind and keeps toying with the idea of canning it..obviously they have little to no faith in it.
This show deserved a SEASON finale by SantiagoAtez	May 16th, 2007 12:00:51 PM
I only watched this off and on, but c'mon, when a show ends like this nothing good comes out of it.
photoboy... you hit the nail on the head by yanksno1	May 16th, 2007 12:04:18 PM
We all knew "Veronica Mars" in it's current conception was going to get canceled. That's why they made that sales pitch to the CW with the VM: FBI idea. So that's what I'm wondering was well, no Veronica at all or just "Veronica Mars" is cancelled.
"Season Finale" by Doggus47	May 16th, 2007 12:25:28 PM
Last night's ep had previews for next week's SEASON FINALE. Usually, when a series is in doubt they say "Watch next week's finale" and you don't know whether it's the season or the series.
You people need to get a clue... by crispyman	May 16th, 2007 12:40:38 PM
The reason why these shows got canceled, is because NO ONE WAS WATCHING THEM! If that weren't the case, then the ratings would be higher, and those shows that you love so dearly would be back on the fall schedule. Veronica Mars, Arrested Development, and all the rest of these low-rated shows were all canceled not because of some heartless and cruel TV executives in New York who enjoys making you fan-boys squirm in your seats. It is because of the low ratings these shows got over the course of the year. My advice to you is to get a life, quit whining, and get over it.
The people who would enjoy VM don't watch TV by wintocha67	May 16th, 2007 12:41:38 PM
You and I are the holdouts, hoping for more from our entertainment, and we'll always be disappointed, because the lowest common denominator has always ruled TV and movies. More people will pay for mindless melodrama, thrills and bathroom humor than a show that challenges or gives us a role model in both the character and the person who plays her.
mercifully.... by crimsonfreak	May 16th, 2007 12:42:28 PM
I picked up on this show mid-way through it's first year after hearing all the good buzz and I loved it. Got both season sets and will get S3, (they'd damn well better release it). All I can say now is that , mercifully, we won't have to endure any more of that Kotex lounge (whatever) crap or the thing they had last night with that tabloid reporter in the fright wig. Obviously, if Dawn Ostroff and her team of super-bright executives thought VM's audience was composed entirely of 14 year-old girls, then they don't belong in charge of anything more culturally significant than 'The Search For the Next Inflatable Doll.' Perhaps VM could find a new home somewhere that doesn't suck?
Re: You people need to get a clue... by crimsonfreak	May 16th, 2007 12:55:21 PM
The fact is people do watch low-rated shows. Just not 'Nielson Families' whoever they hell they are. Is anyone reading this one of them or know of any? They don't represent me or any wage earning consumers I associate with. I've long felt that a new system should be developed (maybe through Tivo or something)that would provide a more accurate sampling of America's tastes. The Nielson system should (along with the Electoral College) be abandoned and thrown on the scrapheap.
over in the shark tank by Napoleon Park	May 16th, 2007 01:28:54 PM
C.C asked: "(are there any shows left on CW now, but Supernatural and Pussycat Dolls?)" Good question. the virtually simultaneous loss of The Gilmore Girls, 7th heaven and Veronica Mars is a significant blow to the network's line-up. The CW network is home to the popular "America's Next Top Model" franchise. - - - - - They have a well established 'urban' sit-com line-up on Monday, anchored by "Everybody Hates Chris" - - - - - Apparently professional wrestling still holds court on their Friday schedule. - - - - - And a new teen soap opera, "Hidden Palms", debuts on Wednesday, May 30th, according to their web site, >>> http://tinyurl.com/mwdjv > http://www.kidswb.com/
part of the above was cut off for some reason. by Napoleon Park	May 16th, 2007 01:32:53 PM
Thanks to the inclusion of several DC Comics universe guest stars (Martian Manhunter, Impulse, Cyborg, Aquaman, Green Arrow), the long running and somewhat tired "Smallville" actually enjoyed an increase in it's public profile and the amount of media coverage it attracted this year. (I don't know how that translated into ratings) Affiliate stations carrying the WB also have one of TV's few Saturday Morning cartoon line-ups, which is still running under the name "the Kids WB" - http://www.kidswb.com/ - Being affilated with Warners, they get first crack at the DC Comics properties like Legion of Superheroes and The Batman, as well as the Loony Tunes characters.
Don't yell at CW by Plum	May 16th, 2007 02:11:58 PM
At least, don't yell at them too much. They held on to the show through 3 years of absolutely shit ratings. For which we can only blame our fellow viewers. So fuck you America, for another stunning show of taste and discernment.
SHE LIVES AND KICKS ASS by dreamwriter1888	May 16th, 2007 02:32:03 PM
You people are still complaining at the CW? I mean its understandable. Although VM has poor ratings, it's still pulling in more viewers and what not than some of those shit-ass monday night sitcoms they got. Anyway, like I've already said, it's not dead! Have some confidence people. :)
I was going to be an ass and say something like by chrth	May 16th, 2007 02:53:47 PM
"VERONICA MARS ISN'T LEAVING CW!!!!" but that'd be deceptive. Here's something similar though: http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0 ,,20039077,00.html (remove spaces)
HOPEFUL SOLUTION: by amateurscientist	May 16th, 2007 03:07:52 PM
... Veronica Mars in Quantico moves to CBS, TOTALLY ROCKS, falls in good with CSI's without being derivative, CW fumbles, folds. (and I'm liking 'QUANTICO' as a title with Veronica as the star to an ensamble cast of FBI trainees.) Bottom line: CW sucks. nothing else they're doing is any good. Smallville has sucked for a while. We'll follow the talent, and if Rob Thomas is going to CBS, and there's no VMars on CW, then I'm on CBS.
Not officially canceled yet. by minderbinder	May 16th, 2007 03:30:15 PM
Some reports are saying possible mid season start (like Scrubs), some saying that a decision simply hasn't been made yet. It doesn't look good, but be careful of pronouncing this one dead prematurely.
re: Shakes by _Maltheus_	May 16th, 2007 03:48:32 PM
I was never able to get into this show either until I sat down with the season 1 DVD. And although I still kind of like it, when people rave about this show, they're talking about the first season. It's like a different show. It was so good, that I knew for certain that the rest couldn't be. This probably should have been designed as a single season show from the start. It had mysteries that kept you engaged.
it would be their only good show by johnnysunshine	May 16th, 2007 03:57:41 PM
VM is the last holdout for the audience that watched shows like Buffy, Angel, Roswell, and Star Trek on the WB and UPN. Canceling Veronica is basically giving up on that audience entirely. And its a damn shame. Other major networks have picked up that cult audience slack now that serialized scifi/dramas like LOST and HEROES have become so popular, but the loss of Veronica still hurts. Replacing Veronica with the f#@$ing Pussycat Dolls says everything you need to know about where the CW is headed.
Damn! No more Veronica. by glodene	May 16th, 2007 04:26:46 PM
I wanted to fuck her too. Y'all think da' body is still warm?
Rob Thomas Says: by runrun	May 16th, 2007 04:41:21 PM
"We could still be a midseason replacement. We've known for a couple of weeks that they were thinking of us in terms of midseason. We don't know when we'll hear something definite. "I've known Kristen did the disembodied-voice work on Gossip Girl for quite some time. Totally cool with me. "I was approached by Viva Laughlin, but I really want to concentrate on either Veronica Mars or future development." From eonline
I liked Veronica Mars and so did Kevin Smith by Christopher_atUC	May 16th, 2007 05:14:08 PM
Kevin Smith even liked it so much he agreed to be a guest star on several episodes. He played a convenience store clerk, which is fricken brilliant. Veronica Mars is a fun show with some smart script writing. Sure, the main characters are in high school, but don't think that means it lacks compelling drama and intelligent dialog. VM could have been one of the CWs most successful programs, if they had marketed it properly. I'm sad to see them compound their history of bad choices by canceling Veronica Mars.
Pilot Buzz Central's final pre-upfront CW lineup... by Pennsy	May 16th, 2007 05:42:43 PM
One Tree Hill a midseason replacement, along with 3 reality shows. No mention of VM. http://www.nku.edu/%7Emanningj 1/CW2007.htm
XSED by Trader Groucho 2	May 16th, 2007 06:04:55 PM
No, I don't think I will be. Really nothing on their schedule to draw me over.
johnnysunshine by Trader Groucho 2	May 16th, 2007 06:43:38 PM
You're right, but you didn't take into account BSG or Dexter. Oh, and whoever was complaining about great shows getting axed before their time needs to add Action!, Deadwood, and It's Like You know to that list (and I know a Carnivale had its supporters too, but I'm getting my fix of grimness off BSG).
Does this mean I won't have to listen to Herc plug it? by DanDelion	May 16th, 2007 07:34:42 PM
Because I can deal with that.
Good riddance to bad rubbish.... by anchorite	May 16th, 2007 08:01:36 PM
Another Leftist show bites the dust. Hey Veronica, enjoy the company of Studio 60!
I just want it to be dinnertime tomorrow, by Pennsy	May 16th, 2007 10:03:02 PM
because I think we'll know, finally one way or the other. The CW has very little on the bench, drama-wise that can replace whichever fall show tanks. The supposed crash and burn of World According to Barnes tells me they didn't have another good development campaign. I have a feeling that VM just might pull off a comeback to end them all and get 13 final episodes to wrap things up.
The storylines and characterizations, Xiphos... by anchorite	May 16th, 2007 10:25:08 PM
It's the small things.
Yeah because when the heroine does the right thing by oisin5199	May 16th, 2007 11:38:13 PM
she must be "Leftist." Of course you wouldn't be able to stand a show where the lead is a smart, independent woman, Anchorite. Maybe if you actually watched the show and were not a total idiot, you'd see it's probably the best show about young people out there today and will be sorely missed.
Overrated shows... by jimbo6666	May 17th, 2007 02:22:21 AM
I'm sorry. I know you'll just label me a "flamer" but really I'm not. I gave Veronica Mars a fair chance (I watched it until early into the second season) and Jericho (until the hiatus around Christmas) and I think both shows sucked. Mars is so disconnected from any reality its laughable (gotta love that pretty boy gang banger with the heart of gold) and Jericho clearly exists for no reason other than self perpetuation-- about five minutes of plot per hour episode. Sorry, folks, this is in no way intended as a personal insult, but these crapfests deserved nothing less than cancellation.
VM used to be good... by AnnoyYou	May 17th, 2007 03:00:18 AM
...but it was pretty much a shadow of its former self when S2 (with the execreble "Donut" romance and "coma baby" plotline) debuted. Couple that with its 12 loyal viewers and it should have died a natural death at least a season and a half ago. I'm not sorry to see it go; I was sorry when the wonderful first season turned out to be a total fluke.
I agree! by lost.rules	May 17th, 2007 05:28:43 AM
VM was better when it had a huge mystery to solve when it took the course of the season! ie. Who killed Lilly Jane Kane?
A Reason To Stop watching Smallville by Mankind	May 17th, 2007 09:21:15 AM
Only dredge my way through Smallville out of loyalty to the red cape. Guess I can stop now and say it's a "boycott" for the CW canning this show.
VM isn't uber-Liberal? Tell that to these guys... by anchorite	May 17th, 2007 10:27:43 AM
http://tinyurl.com/2ycaon < br> The website is called Think Progress. They got their panties in a twist over the "Morning After" episode. Read the article, which was paranoically (not a real word, but I like it) accusing VM of aiding and abetting right-wing criticisms of the morning after pill. The TB that followed is rather telling. People were writing to defend the show, saying it is one of the most Liberal shows on TV. And as for the characters and story lines being leftist, you need only look at their descriptions and synopses to affirm that. What, you think Veronica Mars is conservative? Are you crazy? Here's another article, from a website called In These Times. http://tinyurl.com/335u4f < br> I tell you what: YOU prove why Veronica Mars is anything but Leftist ideology hiding behind a teen drama/mystery show. I wouldn't be surprised if they hire Noam Chomsky to write the series finale.
Anything? by NudeandAroused	May 17th, 2007 10:29:15 AM
On the show's status? I seem to remember that today is the day we find out.
Up yours, Oisin. I loved Wonder Woman when I was a kid! by anchorite	May 17th, 2007 11:14:58 AM
And Alien and Aliens are a couple of my favorite movies. Talk about strong females...Ever seen Gloria? The original one with Gena Rowlands, directed by her hubby John Cassavetes? All strong female roles, all great movies. Please don't try and paint me as a misogynist just for picking on one particular show. I don't like Veronica Mars because it falls into the typical Hollywood column of teen shows masquerading as "socially aware", aka Liberal propaganda. You think it does a good job of realistically portraying young people today? Are you in college or something? Kids today haven't a friggin' clue about the real world. They are no more "in the know" now as they were in the 70's and 80's. If anything, they are increasingly manipulated by the largely Liberal media. Instead of researching social issues on their own, they are more and more likely to turn to MTV or shows like Veronica Mars or the OC for their social education. Kurt Loder is a poor substitute for bothering to truly learn about social issues. What you would profess to be a show about young people has been ridiculed, even by its fans, as a show that "bears little resemblence to life as I know it" (Stephen King, of all people). Hey, there's nothing wrong with you enjoying a show. But please lay off the "social significance" BS. That just makes you seem really desperate for affirmation about your viewing choices.
AP reporting by mollyunravel	May 17th, 2007 11:31:56 AM
the associated press (via yahoo news on the front page headlines area) is reporting that the cw has cancelled veronica mars.
michael ausiello says: by mollyunravel	May 17th, 2007 11:43:26 AM
"OK, here it is in a nutshell, per dawn ostroff. Veronica Mars is dead. But, and there is a but, she says she's "talking to Rob and Kristen" about doing something else. She's not calling it a spin-off, and wouldn't say whether it would feature the character of Veronica. Translation; I'm as confused as ever!"
Beat that dead horse, Ostroff... by anchorite	May 17th, 2007 12:02:10 PM
milk that cow, and join the cast of "Farmer Wants a Wife". CW sucks.
sign...VM officially cancelled :( by bowtiehoon	May 17th, 2007 12:19:24 PM
so says another site... 1st buffy then angel now VM who's gonna crack wise ass comments now???
oops sigh no sign :-p by bowtiehoon	May 17th, 2007 12:20:50 PM

Watching A LOT less TV next season by emptystan	May 17th, 2007 12:32:09 PM
So maybe VM and some of the other canceled shows weren't the best programs, but they weren't any worse than the constantly rehashed CSIs, Law and Orders, and the constantly rehashed crime and court procedurals that seem to be everywhere. Single serving viewing for the fast food nation. When the networks plow ahead with high concept episodic series they tend to flounder and often fail. I can't wait to see more lowest common denominator garbage and recycled concepts. Bionic woman, Reaper (liked it better when it starred Peter Horton and was called Brimstone), another vampire who fights to save people, Beauty and the Geek the sitcom, a Gieco ad sitcom???
It's Over by sevenrivera	May 17th, 2007 01:04:54 PM
Ausiello is officially reporting the demise. Just sucks. There's so little good tv out there now, we can't afford to lose VM. Dammit.
Veronica Mars R.I.P. by anchorite	May 17th, 2007 01:09:40 PM
For you guys and gals who really loved this show, I am sorry for your loss.
mtstan, I totally agree with you about Brimstone! by anchorite	May 17th, 2007 01:12:27 PM
That was a show that should have been a winner, but somehow wasn't. Kind of like Miracles on ABC. I really liked John Glover playing Satan in Brimstone, and I guess it makes sense he was cast as the same basic character for Smallville.
Confusing news: Veronica Mars cancellation... by Jim Jam Bongs	May 17th, 2007 02:34:46 PM
The word I'm getting is that it will likely be retooled and given a 13-episode order for midseason to air in 2008. My bet is that it will be about Veronica fresh out of the FBI academy who has to return to Neptune to work her first case. The show will be presented in such a way where the characters are re-introduced, and with few references to past events; it will all feel like a brand-new show for those who have never seen the original series. It will also undergo a title change.
Now that it's about as final as final can be... by CatVutt	May 17th, 2007 02:37:29 PM
Let me just say, sincerely, from the bottom of my heart...and I've struggled to find just the right words, but I hope my days of contemplation have paid off... FUCK YOU CW YOU MISERABLE COCK-SUCKING, GERBIL-RAPING, PUSSYCAT CUNT-PIMPING, HOME OF NO SHOW I'LL EVER WATCH PIECE OF SHIT HOPEFULLY DEAD-BY-NEXT-SPRING 'NETWORK', FUCK YOU UP YOUR COLLECTIVE ASSES. TWICE. WITH EXTREME PREJUDICE. Thank you for your anticipated cooperation.
New title... by Jim Jam Bongs	May 17th, 2007 02:45:31 PM
The working title I hear is that it will be: "Neptune" or "Neptune, CA". Notice how in the CW upfront news, "Veronica Mars" has not been officially placed on the canceled/not-returning list along with the other CW shows that have been. Secondly, it's been said that the show won't return "in the FALL". That, too, is technically true -- but doesn't negate the possibility of it returning in January 2008. It's like saying that LOST won't be back this fall. The CW is deciding the fate of this Mars' "reboot" as we speak/type.
CW SUCKS WRINKLED COCK by Captain Vidal	May 17th, 2007 03:26:52 PM
i can't f@cking believe they're even considering doing away with the best written show on that network. i officially will stop watching the Cock Wrinkle Network for three years....they could at least give it a good series wrap up. they're pulling an "angel" all over again....Veronica Mars will go to heaven, the CW execs will burn in HELLLLLL!!!!!!!!! SPARTANS!!!!!!!
anky by oisin5199	May 17th, 2007 08:19:45 PM
to paraphrase you - Hey, there's nothing wrong with you not enjoying a show. But please lay off the "leftist propaganda" BS. I never said it was "socially significant. In fact, these recent 'issue' oriented episodes have been some of the weakest. And I never said it was realistic. But I still think it's one of the best written, cleverest shows about young people with interesting characters and plots.
Sorry for the assumption Oisin... by anchorite	May 18th, 2007 10:06:28 AM
I thought since you were talking about how it's one of the best shows about young people on TV that you were referring, at least in part, to the subject matter they tackle on a weekly basis. Also, some of the other TBers were talking about how it's so dialed in on social issues. Whatever! And I can't help that the writers and producers have decided to take a decidedly left-wing stance on issues that they bring up on the show. I don't write the stuff - I just call it what it is.
To Xiphos by jimbo6666	May 19th, 2007 12:59:08 AM
A couple of days late, but in response to your question, my favorite shows which are currently airing are: Studio 60 (but not for long apparently), The Office, Battlestar Galactica (which slipped some this past season but was still mostly good), Hustle, Spooks (aka MI-5), The Shield, Rescue Me, House, and probably a couple others I'm forgetting. Dresden Files had a couple really good episodes (and some awful ones-- they should make it a bit more of an ensemble and shit can the terrible narration.) Back on topic: Believe me, I know what its like to have your favorite shows canceled. Farscape, Firefly, Briscoe County Jr., and Wonderfalls come quickly to mind. It sucks. For what its worth, I hope the rumours of Veronica's return as an F.B.I. agent turn out to be true. Hell, I'll even check it out.

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