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AICN Exclusive: Thomas Jane dropping out of PUNISHER 2?!?

A pity by GrubStreeter	May 15th, 2007 06:35:29 PM
I thought Jane made a good Frank - but the movie stunk. I blame Travolta.
first? by phaedrus007	May 15th, 2007 06:36:58 PM
screw lionsgate... P1 blew. Let's all hope this movie never sees production.
"I just want my kids back..." by DanielKurland	May 15th, 2007 06:37:08 PM
Wasn't a huge fan of Punisher, but it's refreshing to see someone take the material this seriously and passionately.
It's Just Possible THE PUNISHER Isn't Cinematic. by Buzz Maverik	May 15th, 2007 06:37:12 PM
Think about it. As a comic book, it's best with hard edged, 70s noir grit. So what does it have to offer the movies? That's nothing special in the movies, except it's done by a guy with a skull on his chest. The Punisher is a great comic character, but he falls into the too gritty for a comic movie/too fantastic for a gritty movie category all his own. Not every property has to be filmed. Just make a vigilante flick already.
oh well. by phaedrus007	May 15th, 2007 06:37:16 PM
second anyway.
heh by IJUSTLIKEMOVIES	May 15th, 2007 06:38:44 PM
Deeper Blue Sea must be more important. Dammit, I can't even make that joke without feeling bad. Jane does good.
Maverik by phaedrus007	May 15th, 2007 06:39:31 PM
Yes, you hit the nail right on the head. In the comics, Punisher is an original and a one of kind... a super-powerless, movie action hero soaked up into the superhero world. In the movies, he's just another guy with a gun and a lot of explosions (and an origin too cliche to even pretend to find interesting). Like I said, above, let's just hope this pup never gets made.
Tom Jane is classy, this is a good move by Vanderhorst	May 15th, 2007 06:40:09 PM
Now he can do "They shoot heroin, don't they?"
He was cool with posting this? by SkidMarkedUndies	May 15th, 2007 06:40:24 PM
Wow. He really is a good dude. Tis a shame. I kinda dug the first twenty minutes of the Punisher and the last 30. The middle sort of went the route of John Travolta's straightness
Dolph Lundgren is available! by chrth	May 15th, 2007 06:40:58 PM

Hate to tell ya, Quint.. by DonkeyTron	May 15th, 2007 06:41:05 PM
but, the popsicle thing is one of the very few things in that movie that is actually pulled straight from the book. Can't remember what book it's from exactly, maybe someone can help me out here, but it's in there.
Walter Hill could have been a great choice... by Frank Black	May 15th, 2007 06:42:52 PM
Hard Times is one of my favorite films. Thomas Jane is better than The Punisher though. He has been great in everything (especially Stander) and elevated the 1st Punisher film with his presence. Thomas Jane as John Carter Warlord of Mars or Doc Savage.
Jane's a stand-up guy by Ghostwood	May 15th, 2007 06:43:14 PM
A few years back, I was working on Dreamcatcher and had the luck to meet him. I wasn't a huge fan of the Punisher, but I thought he did a great job as Frank Castle. I think that he's not only a great screen presence, he's one of the more stand up guys in Hollywood. Here's how I know this: one day, a batch of us went and saw Spider-Man. Thomas was in line, and we chatted a bit. We talked a little about films, and I told him he owed me $10 for The Sweetest Thing (that Cameron Diaz piece of garbage he was in). I totally meant it as a joke, but after the film, Thomas gets me a $10 gift certificate to the theater. If he says Punisher 2 is crap, I guarantee you it'll be crap. I doubt he would want to give me another $10 if I bump into him again..!
You may have a point Buzz M. by GrubStreeter	May 15th, 2007 06:43:20 PM
What make the best Punisher comics interesting to read is that they take us inside Frank's head - he narrates his own adventures. That's tough to do in movies without a great deal of voice over. The only time I felt like I was watching a Punisher Movie in the last one is when he's reading his "war journal" entry towards the end. Oh, and Quint? The popcicle bit was right out of an old issue of Puinsher War Zone.
They didn't WANT Walter Hill????? by thelivingdoll	May 15th, 2007 06:43:22 PM
Who the HELL is running Lionsgate??? The fucking Baseball Furies???
Walter Hill can't get work... by Frank Black	May 15th, 2007 06:47:18 PM
But Brett Ratner keeps working! Nt brain hurts!
okay by Quint	May 15th, 2007 06:48:44 PM
So, yes... the pulled the popcicle out of a comic, but by only really pulling one lighthearted moment out of the book and leaving the rest of the hardcore killer out of the movie still ignores what makes Frank Castle the character we love in the comics. It's almost worse that they pulled something like that out of the books and left the rest.
Oh...! by GrubStreeter	May 15th, 2007 06:52:02 PM
And Frank wears the skull to intimidate bad guys - it wasn't a gift from his god damn son! stupid movie. OK - done ranting
Jane is legit... by BGDAWES	May 15th, 2007 06:55:11 PM
I really like Thomas Jane, ever since I first remember seeing him in Boogie Nights. I'm glad he made this decision but I also regret not being able to see a huge Jane kicking all sorts of ass.
gahhh! by supersize	May 15th, 2007 06:59:01 PM
I have nothing.Fuck lionsgate
YOU SHOULD ALL SEE by The Real MiraJeff	May 15th, 2007 07:00:53 PM
STANDER. Good stuff.
So the reason Jane's pulling out is...? by Calico Pete	May 15th, 2007 07:05:45 PM
...the same reason they can't get a director they want? Which is what? The script's bad? Well why the fuck don't they rewrite it? Then they keep Jane and find a director, right? I mean the movie has taken so long to get made as it is, you'd think they'd nail the script. But I'm still confused... Quint, you say P2 has a chance of restoring the Punisher's good cinematic name, yet you think Jane's making the right move...? So are you saying P2 is or is not on the right track? Is the script shit or does it have a chance at nailing the character? Where's Marvel in all of this?
WTF! by EdRyder	May 15th, 2007 07:06:59 PM
What can possibly be wrong with Kurt Sutters script??!Damn you Jane!I was all excited and now your pullin out-what the hell man
Agreed, STANDER is Jane's best. by brokentusk	May 15th, 2007 07:07:31 PM
I'm really upset by this news, it seemed for a while there that PUNISHER 2 was going to be everything the first film wasn't (i.e. faithful). I read just the other day that Kurt Sutter (writer on THE SHIELD) was going to take a crack at the script - which was the best news I'd heard. Now this? I feel bad for Tom Jane - the first film's faults had nothing to do with him at all.
Need cool visuals with the glow of the skull, in shadow by JDanielP	May 15th, 2007 07:08:12 PM
There is absolutely no reason why a Punisher movie cannot be something special. I'd LOVE to make this...and it sucks that I can't.
confusion by Quint	May 15th, 2007 07:09:01 PM
I say Punisher 2 has the opportunity to be the movie we want to see, but it doesn't look like it's headed that way. My Lionsgate source said that Hill wanted to do the film and rewrite the crappy script. I don't know, maybe the Lionsgate execs don't know who Walter Hill is... you might laugh at that, but you'd be surprised how short the memory of execs can be.
Thomas Jane was the one good thing about the Punisher. by Gwai Lo	May 15th, 2007 07:09:51 PM
He was awesome as Frank Castle, he did the absolute best he could with the script. I mean the guy sent chills up my spine when he said "God's gonna sit this one out", but then he sent chills up some guys spine with a popsicle as well. It's a shame Heinsleigh couldn't get it together to make a kickass revenge flick that was all business and no quirky roommates, love interests or John Travolta. I really think the best person for a Punisher flick might be "Beat" Takeshi Kitano.
Motherfuckers! Just adapt one of Ennis' arcs! by Lujho	May 15th, 2007 07:10:26 PM
Choose one of Ennis' arcs from his Punisher book (the MAX series, not the earlier, more comedic series) and do a straight adaptation. Fucking easy. I'd choose "The Slavers" - that'd really show people what a great Punisher movie could be, especially with a great director.
The original was horrible... by Alonzo Mosely	May 15th, 2007 07:10:38 PM
Although it wasn't Jane's fault, but it was horrible... However I disagree that The Punisher could not be cinematic, I believe it had the potential to be a fantastic movie, done as a homage to 70s revenge flicks, a pure hard R with plenty of great kills and a strongly written and acted lead character and a genuine bastard of a main bad guy. I mean the thing practically scripts itself... Sure it would never do Spiderman or X-Men numbers, but it could have appealed to an adult film goer who missed old school hardassed action flicks and made some decent money...
One more thing... by brokentusk	May 15th, 2007 07:10:57 PM
If nobody wants to direct the movie and their main actor pulled out because the script is so terrible... why don't they just get someone to RE-WRITE the thing?! Oh, that's right, I forgot that Marvel want their films to be shit now.
Whaa? But the first one was such a boost to his career by jimmy_009	May 15th, 2007 07:11:25 PM
First Halle Berry opts out of Catwoman 2 and now this.
I've always percieved Jane as a great guy by hadez	May 15th, 2007 07:12:04 PM
I mean, he was the one really gunning towards a second Punisher with more balls-to-the-wall action. It's sad to see him depart. I also thought he was a great Castle.
But of course.. by Gwai Lo	May 15th, 2007 07:13:23 PM
Kitano wouldn't go near it.
Good for him by Pr_Frink	May 15th, 2007 07:14:09 PM
It's nice to see someone pull out of a movie because they don't believe in the end result. A lot of times actors will stick with it out of sheer ego but for Mr. Jane to say the stuff that he did is refreshing to hear. It's too bad though because he was easily the best part of the first. Here's hoping he gets a kick-ass project next and hits a home-run, the man deserves it.
If they can adapt Sin City... by Frank Black	May 15th, 2007 07:14:14 PM
They can adapt near anything. Seriously, just take the best issues and copy the dialogue verbatim and credit the writer of the comic as screenwriter. Comic Books are just detailed storyboards anyway. This sh*t is proof of why Hollywood can't do anything without over complicating things and over-marketing their art to death until it is just an overblown commercial.
I second 'Stander' by I Own You	May 15th, 2007 07:17:43 PM
Good stuff, lots of fun
WOW by THE KNIGHT	May 15th, 2007 07:17:45 PM
I'm mad at that... Stupid Marvel idiots... I really wanted to see Jane in the sequel!
May Walter Hill Spit Nitroglycerin at Those Dumbasses by Flynn Diesel	May 15th, 2007 07:17:56 PM
Walter Hill's THE PUNISHER is, in my book, far more worthy and potentially awesome than making SAWs IV-XXXVIII. The dude has directed all sorts of Frank Castle types of pulvarizing hardasses for three decades. Raise your hand if the following men are not similar to the type of character that Frank Castle is: Charles Bronson, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Steve McQueen, Nick Nolte, Bruce Willis, Powers Boothe, Mickey Rourke, Bill Paxton, David Carradine, Fred Ward, or Brion James. This man is a fucking DRIVING FORCE of tough guy movies from the 70's and 80's, and if William Friedkin gets a chance from Lionsgate, Walter Hill should get it all. Lionsgate is fucking with the wrong guy. This is the dude who wrote The Getaway and Hickey and Boggs. The one who gave us The Driver, The Warriors, 48 Hrs., Streets of Fire, and countless others. If you want to make a Punisher movie right, have a director who has testosterone deposits in his brain and, if behind a camera or a typewriter/word processor, makes Bill Brasky look like a pussy. Come on, you dumbasses, Friedkin's a legend, and so is Walter motherfuckin' Hill. But you guys are apparently too interested in making 62 sequels to Saw. And that's what I have to say.
Oh well. Guess I'll just play the Xbox game again... by Kasch	May 15th, 2007 07:29:16 PM
That was the only true adaptation of the Punisher we'll ever see (complete with badass Garth Ennis script and Jane on the voice).
Too bad... by Dragon Man	May 15th, 2007 07:32:59 PM
I too liked Jane as the Punisher in the first movie. I felt like he got the character, even if the script and director really didn't. Although I would have liked him to do another, if it's gonna be shit, better that he's a million miles away from it than to be stuck with it.
Hey Quint, e-mail Jane back and tell him... by Alonzo Mosely	May 15th, 2007 07:41:46 PM
To register, get a blackbox and hang out... Maybe we can get the place full of action stars...
The best Punisher movie was "The Hunted". by Tarl_Cabot	May 15th, 2007 07:42:11 PM
The Punisher...Deserves William Friedkin. He made a Punisher movie already...it was called the Hunted. Don't give up TJ! We want you/Castle back! Call up Willy.
Thomas Jane by dejectedgeek	May 15th, 2007 07:42:38 PM
I do applaud him for walking out on a bad project. As a super hardcore Punisher fan, watching the first film was kind of a grueling experience. The Punisher is one of the "you can't fuck this up" characters of Marvel, and I'll be damned...Lionsgate fucked it up. All you ever would need to make a good Punisher movie is to apply the formula Garth Ennis does with the comic: People want to kill Frank, Frank finds out and ends up counter-killing these people, after somehow doing something horrible to a number of persons. Nope...let's make this some sort of sympathetic character story...give me a fucking break.
What a downer. I was really hopefuly for Punisher 2 by Toxic Frog	May 15th, 2007 07:43:14 PM
I actually KIND OF LIKED the first one. Once the dumbass origin was over with, Thomas Jane was great when he got busy. And there were moments of good, non-pussy violence. Castle making Saint's son hold the grenade till he was exhausted and blew himself up, Castle bragging to Saint that he made him kill his own friend and wife before finishing him off. The movie wasn't great, but it had some coolness in there. ** BUT, I was really amped for a PROPER Punisher movie. This is crappy, crappy news. I agree with some of the other folks here - just pick a story from Ennis' MAX line (the first one would be great), declare it the screenplay, and shoot the film. Is there any point in hoping that Jane's backing out might snap the studio into fixing the problem to get him back?
I like Thomas Jane. Stander was great. by Quake II	May 15th, 2007 07:44:03 PM
The Punisher movie had a few moments of coolness but it was rather tame compared to the comics books. I have no doubt that Jane will eventually move into the action hero role. Too bad. I was actually looking forward to Punisher 2.
THOMAS JANE...IF YOU'RE READING by moto	May 15th, 2007 07:45:53 PM
Give Lionsgate a call and ask them about a script in development phase called "One Shot, One Kill". Character driven action flick! Perfect for you. They have the option and are searching for talent.
Dead in the water by dejectedgeek	May 15th, 2007 07:48:03 PM
As it stands, after the main character walks out after the studio can't get anybody to sign on for the project, the movie may just get shelved or dumped altogether. Then, hopefully, in a matter of time, another studio will pick it up and take it in the direction that it should be. Superhero movies as of late haven't been doing well (except for Spider-Man 2 and X2) because a lot of the time they either try to make it too complicated or cinematic. Studios don't stop and think for a minute that they should be staying as loyal to the source material as possible. Zack Snyder and Robert Rodriguez did a great job on their respected movies because Frank Miller was on board throughout the entire production and they were actually worried about not having it be as close to the comic as possible. Marvel just wants to shell out licenses and make a quick buck as soon as possible... Still holding out for Iron Man though...do me proud, Jon!
I hope this a bluff...saying no usually works. by Tarl_Cabot	May 15th, 2007 07:50:48 PM
I really want to see P2 and a P3 with TJ. Dejectedgeek hit it on the head: The Punisher is one of the "you can't fuck this up" characters of Marvel. This doesn't require alot of creativity or money to make a balls to the walls R-rated Punisher flick.The Dolph movie ruled. Man...
Thomas Jane is busy researching a role as homeless man by indiebum	May 15th, 2007 07:52:31 PM
I love AD
Wha the hell is a Thomas Jane? What happned to Dolph... by Kai_Mah'gra	May 15th, 2007 07:55:36 PM
......wait, you're telling me they made another Punisher movie? When did this happen? And this this Thomas Jane that you speak of, will not do a sequel to a movie I didn't even know happened, to begin with?Well then, I suppose this means that I must go wrap myself in sackcloth now and jump into the nearest snake-filled pit screaming in utter despair, anguish and despondency.
Jane has balls by phoenixmagi	May 15th, 2007 08:01:18 PM
big brass ones. I applaud any star who backs out of a piece of shit film then one who goes through with it for a paycheck and the audience suffers for bad quality, I'M LOOKING AT YOU BRUCE WILLIS!
Okay, so am I supposed to be thankful... by Gozu	May 15th, 2007 08:10:37 PM
that after years of wishing there was a Daredevil movie or a movie where Spiderman fights Venom, or a movie where the Hulk wasn't just a guy in green make up, Marvel and Avi Arad answers the call by making shitty, sloppy adaptations of these properties that basically change everything for no reason whatsoever and rush to put something out so every summer now there's at least one bad Marvel superhero movie, if not five? Seriously. If you're going to do something, do it right. That doesn't mean you have to be totally faithful to the comic, just make a good movie.
Hire A COMIC BOOK WRITER... by CornsilkSW	May 15th, 2007 08:12:27 PM
Seriously, they should hire Ennis or Casey, or another great COMIC BOOK WRITER to do screenplays like this. They are the only people who can turn in a workable script for this material because it's what THEY DO FOR A LIVING TO BEGIN WITH! How retarded are movie studios, anyway. This is basic, and they keep overlooking it.
DOLPH by BitterMan23	May 15th, 2007 08:13:27 PM
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Call Peter Wilkes - (310) 255-4929 by Namorita	May 15th, 2007 08:24:30 PM
My gosh! email Avi email Walter, heck emial Lionsgate so they catch a freaking clue! Call Peter Wilkes - (310) 255-4929 http://digg.com/movies/Thomas_ Jane_dropping_out_of_PUNISHER_ 2_AICN_is_has_a_email_from_Mr_ Jane
Moto... by Alonzo Mosely	May 15th, 2007 08:25:19 PM
It is great you got your script optioned, really I am happy for you, but stop trying to pitch it to celebs via this site, I mean really, do you think it is going to work?
Who the hell is Peter Wilkes? Good Question! by Namorita	May 15th, 2007 08:25:41 PM
Investor & Media Inquiries - Peter Wilkes - (310) 255-4929 - Mr. Wilkes handles inquiries from institutional and retail investors and analysts as well as corporate media requests. Investors may click on this Investor Relations link to email questions.
Those wanting to vent on Lionsgate - Enjoy!!! by Namorita	May 15th, 2007 08:27:36 PM
keasterling@lionsgate.com
Why are movie execs so Dumb? by P2Rock	May 15th, 2007 08:28:13 PM
I am shocked and appaled to see the amount of money wasted on such pieces of crap that get speat out every year. FF4 Elektra, Path finder, I mean the majority of movies that are released to the mainstream are crao and just vain attempts to make money. this is the primary reason why box office reciepts have fallen for the passed few years. The key to the success of any comic book adaption is simple... STICK TO THE SOURCE MATERIAL! thats what made the property attractive in thye first place. Damn you Singer and your bastard child (SR)!
Walter Hill.... by LouisCedar	May 15th, 2007 08:29:10 PM
That would have been amazing....now I'm sad....because no matter who ends up doing the Punisher 2, I'll always be imagining what could have been with Walter Hill.
The Punisher Extended Cut was pretty good- by Playkins	May 15th, 2007 08:34:32 PM
It didn't change any of the missteps with the origin, but it did add alot of cool character moments. Punisher is kind of a guilty pleasure of mine, but dammit, I like it!
THOMAS JANE!! DONT GO!!! by Mike_D	May 15th, 2007 08:38:03 PM
FUCK THE STUDIO!
Punisher War Zone #1 was when they did ... by Shan	May 15th, 2007 08:38:34 PM
... the popsicle thing.
I like the Thomas Jane.... by Shakalakaboom	May 15th, 2007 08:38:43 PM
He seems like good people and he was the best thing in The Punisher. However, the first film had a kind of pussy-assness quality to it (If I may turn a phrase from the late Mr. Moltisanti.). When you make a Punisher film, it needs a few things: 1) New York. Seriously, Tampa? Why not just film it in Bryant, Arkansas while you're at it? 2) Mob guys with vowels on the ends of their names. Shitcan that political correctness. 3) Blood and guts and 'splosions. 4) No mercy. No fucking mercy. 5) And no goddamn, fucking Evanescense. You only play that when you want to console the fat girl who's crying because there's no more ice cream. In other words, don't make it for the masses. Have faith in a "cult favorite." It will make money over time.
Good call, Tom. by Nate Champion	May 15th, 2007 08:40:05 PM
Anyone can kick John Travolta's ass. You deserved better.
Seriously, it's not that fucking hard by El Vale	May 15th, 2007 08:49:05 PM
Either hire Garth Ennis to write it, or have someone adapt The Slavers. MAX Punisher is the best damn book Marvel's publishing right now.
Well, if they don't want Walter Hill... by JackPumpkinhead	May 15th, 2007 08:49:25 PM
There's always Uwe Boll.
And he could do it! There was a Punisher game after all by JackPumpkinhead	May 15th, 2007 08:50:32 PM
And it's Lion's Gate. Uwe fits their "quality" level perfectly.
Thomas Jane just earned my respect...unlike Lionsgate by SpyGuy	May 15th, 2007 08:55:11 PM
Thomas Jane was one of the few good things to come out of the first PUNISHER film and if he bailed on the sequel because the script exudes all kinds of suckage, then I'm sure as hell not going to see one without him. I agree with the previous posters...bring in Garth Ennis, at least as a co-writer. His PUNISHER series for Marvel's MAX line is one of his best works ever and every story arc has been solid and ripe for adapting into a PUNISHER sequel. My pick for the PUNISHER 2 storyline? "Mother Russia." Do yourselves a HUGE favor, Lionsgate, and pick up the trade paperback from Amazon.com or TalesOfWonder.com then burn every fucking page into your memory. After that, then you can come back and tell all of us you're sorry and you'll never be a shitty excuse for a film studio again.
Best Role for Thomas Jane by aquaman99	May 15th, 2007 08:58:48 PM
He made a good call. He's actually a great actor worthy of much deeper work. Though he played Neal Cassady early on, the best role for him that I can think of is....Jack Kerouac! Not the Jack that went On the Road, but the real Jack that struggled, faced and turned his back on success, got drunk, got fat and lived with his mom. I read a script called Visions of Paradise: The Life and Death of Jack Keroauc over at Samuel Goldwyns and he would be PERFECT for it. Probably never get made though.
Thomas Jane = Splinter Cell by Tarl_Cabot	May 15th, 2007 08:59:48 PM
You know it's a good fit.
FUCK by WolfmanNards	May 15th, 2007 09:00:00 PM
Piss. Shit. Ass. MOTHERFUCKER! WHAT THE FUCK! IM SO PISSED! And not because Thomas Jane is leaving. But because of WHY he left. I trust that man's every judgement. When I heard he let whats her tits sew into his skin through the prosthetic while they were filming because he wanted to stay in character. When I saw a behind the scenes moment where somebody asked him why he was putting so much effort into learning physical tactics and gunplay and he answered "because It's a fucking great character, and I don't want to ruin it". He WAS the punisher. Whatever piece of shit they make without him won't be a punisher movie. How can you make the punisher without the fucking punisher??!!? Good for him for pulling out. How many actors would have such balls? Practically none. A lot of actors remain dedicated to shitty sequels, which fools us into thinking that it might be worthwhile. Thomas Jane is a true fan and more importantly, a true artist. He could have stayed on board for the paycheck, but instead his integrity held sway. FUCK YOU LIONSGATE. FUCK YOU AVI ARAD. MOTHERFUCKERS.
Suggestions for Directors... by themanwhojaped	May 15th, 2007 09:00:45 PM
I'd like to see Eli Roth do it. Imagine that. Punisher, Hostel style. And as for casting the Punisher, well, if it was a slight reboot like Hulk 2 then I'd love to see Sly Stallone playing Frank. Think about it, Punisher is meant to be in his late 50s/early 60s in the comics. Let's face it the Punisher should be an R rated film. They should get Garth Ennis to write the script. Punisher has never been intended as a child's character. If they are going to stick with the continuity of the first film, then maybe someone like: Vin Diesel maybe? Give him a black crewcut, he could potentially pull it off.. I don't know. You need someone fearless. Someone ready to do some really fucked up things on camera.. -
As Long As He Reprises His Role as Rahad Jackson... by uss cygnus	May 15th, 2007 09:04:22 PM
PUPPIES!!!!
Thomas Jane = DJANGO by Tarl_Cabot	May 15th, 2007 09:04:53 PM
I could do this all day...
Actually, It was Todd... by uss cygnus	May 15th, 2007 09:07:54 PM
And Doc Ock was Rahad. ZOMBIE TODD + ZOMBIE ALMEIDA + Jack Bauer=Box Office Gold, I tell ya.
-"Todd Parker!!!!" by NoPIX	May 15th, 2007 09:12:53 PM
"Rockin' Reid Rothchild!!!!"
Punisher 2 getting made but not Superman Returns 2? by Drath	May 15th, 2007 09:13:33 PM
I really don't get the good will of comic book fan boys, they seem to be blindly optimistic when it comes to Marvel properties and overly pessimistic and snarky when it comes to DC properties. I'm being nice and just assuming they've got a point of view--rather than assuming they're just tasteless and apeshit nuts.
He just wants his kids back. by hktelemacher	May 15th, 2007 09:20:31 PM
Maybe Tom Jane realized playing a comic book character is one of two forms of career suicide -- you could wind up like Eric Bana and never quite walk right again, or you could end up like Tobey Maguire and clamor for the rest of your career for some kind of legitimacy.
Walter Hill would've been great. by Chief Redcock	May 15th, 2007 09:20:38 PM
...making a great Punisher film should have been a no-brainer. Of all the Marvel characters, the type of movie that this particular character deserves couldn't be more obvious. Even more than John McClane, Frank Castle ABSOLUTELY HAS TO BE HARD R. ABSOLUTELY HAS TO. A Frank Castle who isn't R-rated would be like making a PG-13 Death Wish film... you may think you're widening your target audience, but your really just watering down what should make the film a draw to begin with. Marvel/movie execs, if you're reading this, Punisher isn't like any other comic property... your audience here isn't the same audience who sees the Spider-Man, X-Men, and Fantastic Four films. Frank Castle should speak to the same people who love Charles Bronson, Clint Eastwood, Arnold Schwarzenegger, and that same league of hard ass, violent, R rated, take no prisoners action movie. If you're true to that, you'll enjoy the same success and word of mouth that the above actors (and above films mentioned by Thomas Jane) have enjoyed. Without these qualities, the Punisher is nothing... like Spidey without his web shooters. He has no reason to exist.
Wanna see the REAL Punisher??? by fanboy71	May 15th, 2007 09:22:23 PM
Read "Punisher War Zone" #7. The very brutal issue has Frank hunting a mugger/rapist in central park. His internal monologue is spot on with how the character should be portrayed. The story goes down hill in the next issue, but the part in the park was awesome. I had hopes that Jane would help steer the sequal back to where it belonged. DAMN! Why can't the studios behind these adaptations just follow the source material. By the way... anybody else think Adam Baldwin would make a badass Frank Castle. Just gotta hit the gym a little.
He got something better to do? by crazykrug72	May 15th, 2007 09:24:50 PM
fUCK HIM CRYING BITCH GOT TO WORK AND AND WATCH ACTION MOVIE'S AND GET PAID MILLION'S FUCK HIM.
I couldn't disagree more by Mr Bonefish	May 15th, 2007 09:25:06 PM
The first Punisher was great...if you don't get it, too bad.
Silly me. by CatVutt	May 15th, 2007 09:28:03 PM
I thought Dolph Lundgren was The Punisher. But seriously...I honestly didn't know they were even working on a sequel. I didn't like the first...er, that most recent one. Wasn't aware anyone did. Fuck it, I forgot why I was posting.
Charles Bronson for the Punisher! by JackPumpkinhead	May 15th, 2007 09:30:38 PM
Yeah, but CGI can do magic. It worked so well with Brando and Superman Returns, right? Except I don't know if Punisher could spend the whole movie walking around with a huge block of ice obscuring his face, but what the hell, it might work!
Good on ya Tom. by Antz	May 15th, 2007 09:31:28 PM
Best to go woithout than to have your name associated with a crappy sequel. I thought you were great in the role, but the first film was a little lacking overall.
Never saw the Punisher by Mr_X	May 15th, 2007 09:41:40 PM
but I'm admiring the balls of this guy to stand up and not do a movie just purely for the cach in the absence of a decent script. Kudos fella.
This really is bad news... by wolvenom	May 15th, 2007 09:41:47 PM
Fucking bullshit what they're doing to the punisher. Although he's certainly not as popular as spidey, wolverine, or batman... he should be given way more respect than this. He's so cool the way he just mows down bad guys, and when you think he doesn't have any morals or compassion he goes and shows you that he does...In one of his most recent appearances in 'civil war' comics when he fucking obliterates the bad guys who want to help out captain america (cause Ironman has fuckin bad guys on his side so they figure caps could use some badguys) and caps goes ballistic on punisher cause murders them (punisher is like 'they're fucking crooks caps!) and castle won't hit caps back cause he knows all about what captain america stands for. Man punisher deserves so much more. So does daredevil for that matter, and every other fucking comic character the studios have sidelined. Really the comic fans should be writing the fucking screenplays.
I agree a punisher movie should be a hard R movie... by wolvenom	May 15th, 2007 09:45:53 PM
only because all the punisher fans are mostly grown up anyway... trying to drag in the kids that are jerking off to pokemon, digimon, and anime crap is bullshit..
Good to hear so many read the MAX series by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 15th, 2007 09:52:42 PM
Spot. Fucking. On. Perhaps that's what Jane has been reading. Perhaps, when compairing Ennis' spot fucking on interpretation of the Punisher in the MAX series to whatever the P2 script is, Jane had an epiphany. I concur with others. Get Ennis or faithfully adapt one of his stories. Kitchen Irish, In the Beginning, Slavers, Mother Russia, etc. All great reads and would make a great film. Face it guys/gals - Hollywood is afraid of a great script when it comes to comic book properties. Just my opinion. Glad Jane dropped out. I love that he loves the character so much and respects it enough not to be associated with a crappy sequel. The sequel should and could far exceed the first...... Loving the current storyline in the MAX series. But I say that about each storyline.
I thought the sequel was taking place in NYC by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 15th, 2007 09:56:18 PM
with Jigsaw and tons of action/gore. Didn't Jane mention that sometime ago? Maybe that was his wishful thinking. Moot point now. Punisher in prison a'la the original mini-series would have been acceptable.....
Thomas Jane + Jack Kerouac=oscar by aquaman99	May 15th, 2007 09:57:47 PM
let's see the guy show what he showed us in Stander!
HEY THOMAS JANE!!!!! by Jonny_Dr_Thunder	May 15th, 2007 09:58:59 PM
Dude... you absolutely rock. That was a great letter, wonderful reasoning and excellent explanation. You did the right thing, brother. Keep the faith.
messi by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 15th, 2007 10:01:49 PM
Would you please shut the hell up about Children of Men. It wasn't that great. The director clearly has not vision or skill. ........................ Aw, who am I kidding. CHILDREN OF FUCKING MEN is the epitome of tightness. A film that owns you, unless you're a dullard. ....................... Be well brother.
This is sad, by SamBlackChvrch21	May 15th, 2007 10:10:10 PM
But as has been already said is great potential for a reboot and allows them to scrap everythign and aim for a better movie. Even if the sideline the origin to a flashback ala the 1989 flick. I am a fan of teh Punisher and was heartbroken April of 04 after coming out of a movie that hardly resembled the character I intended to see. Clive Owen for Frank anyone?
Stander is a great flick by Womb2dooM	May 15th, 2007 10:30:36 PM
I saw that one months ago. Walter Hill (or Mark Goldblatt) would have been a cool choice for P2. Maybe with this public exposure the excecs will be forced into some lateral thinking...
Big Problem by TheDonJohnSon	May 15th, 2007 10:32:15 PM
With Spiderman 3, Shrek 3, Pirates 3, and Rush Hour 3 all hitting theaters this summer, it really makes me wonder how a hard R could possibly survive. Studios already cut the balls off beloved franchises like Ghost Rider and Die Hard, would the punisher be any different. The last one wasn't a great movie but it wasn't horrible either. $$$ is what it's about and who better to fill the "suits" pockets than a handful of kids who want to see a guy going around killin folks. Im still in awe the last one got a R even though at times it felt a bit like PG-13. In the case of the Punisher, it's [Balls in or Balls out] either motherfuckin-action-fist-to-th e-face, nose-up-the brain-hardcore-shitbricks or nothing at all. Of course the production call is the major problem but what if it got into the hands of a shitty director like "Pukey" Boll or the ever terminal Mark Steven Johnson who killed marvel 3 times with Daredevil, Elektra and Ghostrider. This is even worse than pulling the plug on decapitations and fuck-yous cause at least in the hands of a great director it can be dealth with, ie: Sam Raimi(usually)
It will never happen... by Ironmuskrat	May 15th, 2007 10:36:50 PM
Kudos's to Jane for bailing on this piece of crap. I thought he was a decent Punisher, but the real problem is the movie studios will never portray Punisher as the truly ruthless asshole that he is in the comics. There is always the temptation it seems to turn Frank into some kind of hero with a heroes code like Spider Man or Capitan America. The Punisher is unique in that he doesn't care if your just a purse snatcher or a mugger. Your going to get whacked the same as if your a drug lord. The scene that stands out for me in the first movie is when Frank has captured that dumbass flunky of the mob boss. He gets information out of him by pretending to torture him with a Popsicle! What? Are you kidding me? The real Frank Castle would have ate the Popsicle, then jammed the stick in his eye and twisted it in his eye socket until he talked. Whoever does decide they want to make a Punisher movie really does need to sit down and read the Ennis stuff from the Max line, hell even read the early stuff by Mike Baron.
Jane should go out for the by JUSTICE41	May 15th, 2007 10:37:49 PM
Jane should go out for the Sub Mariner role. I heard The guy from Bones went out for it.That Boreaniz(sp) Guy. Tom Jane looks more like Namor than Angel.
No Jane...howabout Johnny Messner? by thevision	May 15th, 2007 10:42:17 PM
Ok, Punisher sucked but best thing about the film was the leading man Thomas Jane- Lionsgate just doesn't have the balls to go all out and get Garth Ennis to do his thing with Thomas Jane! Anyway, I'm hoping the license or whatever expires with Lionsgate and Marvel gets Frank back and do Punisher right. If Thomas Jane won't be back, I think Johnny Messner would be a good replacement- Anaconda 2, Running Scared and Spartan...and I think he had short lived TV series back in '05 with Chi Mcbride. Messner looks like Frank Castle even more than Thomas Jane.
Well hot damn by Vern	May 15th, 2007 10:45:56 PM
On one hand, this is sad because, as one of the rare individuals who actually liked THE PUNISHER, I have been waiting patiently in hopes that they would for some reason do a part 2 as they've been threatening. On the other hand, I am happy because maybe even more than it needs a PUNISHER 2, the world needs people with a code of honor who will stand up for what's right like Tom Jane just did there. And by stand up for what's right I do not mean some shit about adapting comic strips to you guys's specifications, but about doing movies for art and not as a product. He didn't believe in it, for whatever reasons, so he left. Good for him. You don't see alot of that these days, that integrity business. Tom Jane has been high on my list since I saw STANDER (yes, it needs to be mentioned as many times as possible in this talkback), and now that he has done this AND been studying THE DRIVER I think he has earned his Bruce Willis Honorary Officer of the Badass Arts medal. Congratulations. Now, as for THE PUNISHER PART 1. For somebody who never read the comic strips (which, let's face it, is most of the world) this is a surprisingly good movie, with an old school action vibe combined with its own weird style. I didn't expect to like it, I wasn't even planning to watch the whole thing. But first of all, they didn't just kill his family - they went to his god damn family reunion and killed HIS ENTIRE EXTENDED FAMILY. That is what is known as "fucking awesome." That is something I haven't seen in a revenge movie before. And at the point where the wife was trying to escape in a jeep towing a boat and still managed to catch air I suddenly realized that I was actually enjoying the movie. I like the fight with the guy in the striped shirt, the evil mariachi guy, the fact that John Travolta is surprisingly subdued. The idea of John Travolta in this day and age playing a comic book villain brings to mind some sort of overacting holocaust, like Nic Cage in THE WICKER MAN colliding with Colin Farrell in DAREDEVIL and create a supernova that wipes out an entire solar system. But somehow they got him to stay calm. In fact, the stuff that doesn't work is the stuff that is meant to be "comic booky." Not sure if it comes from the illustrated torture porn books or not but the skull t-shirt, the exploding cars shaped like a skull and that type of shit was what was holding it back. The rest was good enough to overcome that. Anyway, sorry to see this movie go, but happy to see Tom Jane living up to expectations as the future of badass cinema.
Alonzo Mosely... by moto	May 15th, 2007 10:51:53 PM
I understant the viewpoint. I do so expecting some flack. But let me tell you this, if I had that mind set of "Do you really think this is going to work", then I wouldn't be who I am and where I am today. I'm not mr. successful writer at all yet, but I'm at a position thankfully enough where tens of thousands of writers/filmmakers would kill to be in: Represented, working, signed deal, and with open doors to studio level decision makers... but sometimes even that isn't enough. It's about timing and being at the right place at the right time. And I got to this level by not saying or thinking "Do you really think this is going to work?" I don't promote writers/filmmakers stalking celebrities, sneaking onto studio lots, barging into offices, and things of that nature. That's crossing a line. But here there's an open forum where communication may or may not be made to individuals (Bruce, Sly, and now Thomas) that have opened up and proved to be somewhat down to earth... so if there's a chance, worst case scenario I write a post, take some flack, and never hear from them. It's not like I'm assaulting them on the red carpet by throwing a script at them. Point being, I got this far by taking those chances and swallowing my pride doing so at times. It's a tough business Alonzo. I'm sure you know. You should see agents, managers, filmmakers, and producers at an awards after party or something trying to get x actor or director interested in a project. This is the same thing but in a different forum. It's just how the business is. I can give you tons of personal examples that I thought were longshots at best, that ended up working. Right place, right time, and catching that person in the right mood/mindset. Sorry to write so much. Just thankful and hope writers that may read this aren't afraid to make a move towards their goals/dreams. Sappy... yet true.
damnit by gusradio	May 15th, 2007 10:56:58 PM
i was really looking forward to this. i hope the increadible hulk will kick some ass.
FUCK LIONSGATE! by tile_mcgillus	May 15th, 2007 11:15:08 PM
There were moments in Punisher where you believed he was Frank Castle. To Mr. Jane: Sorry Hollywood is a fucking douche. I really wanted to see a balls out Punisher film. Thanks for trying. The fans appreciate it.
Damn. by getsomebs	May 15th, 2007 11:15:13 PM
This is the worst news I have heard in years. The Punisher, in my eyes, was easily the best Marvel film. Since then I've followed every move by Jane. It really sucks that he won't be doing it anymore.
Vern and the rest of you by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 15th, 2007 11:20:41 PM
I just ordered Stander. I can't wait. I read the synopsis and it sounds great. I have always liked Jane. I really liked him in Under Suspicion, I thought he made a great Castle and I laughed when I noticed him in Nemesis (guilty pleasure). Too many of you have mentioned Stander and therefore I would be remiss if I did not view it. A paltry ten bucks. Vern, the Ennis MAX series is the shit. If you're interested, pick up a trade. It shant disappoint. I enjoy everything you write and appreciate your views. Be well.
Hey Vern by B0D	May 15th, 2007 11:35:18 PM
I agree with HeWhoCannotBeNamed, read Punisher. Don't be so hard on something you know nothing about, especially something that is most definitely right up your street. Chill. I agree with hiring Ennis to right the script, makes so much sense. That story where one of the bad guys pisses on Frank's wife's grave, footage of which is then shown on tv. That's the Punisher I'd like to see. Why can't Lionsgate see what they've got here?
Give mr jane some faith lionsgate! by machman36	May 15th, 2007 11:46:04 PM
over the last few years i have been looking out for one film over all of the spiderman,ff,ghost rider ,batman,etc.that film is the sequel to the not too bad 1st film of the Punisher.Thomas Jane is frank castle or he was at least looking that way near the end of the 1st film.i was looking foward to this film sooo much.i hope something can be sorted out.Thomas Jane your a class guy you've got my support from the U.K
HeWhoCannotBeNamed - SIKE!!!!!!!!!! by Womb2dooM	May 15th, 2007 11:53:45 PM
Hahaha, we were fucking with you, punk! Stander sucks, we all just wanted to see who would be stupid enough to believe us and spend actual money on this turd! What was with the crappy accents - worse brits EVER! It just wants to be a sequel to Point Break but it's not even set near the ocean. What up wit dat?!
I actually liked the The Punisher by classicgamenerd	May 15th, 2007 11:55:59 PM
Damn entertaining...the only real problem i had with it is John Travolta is a laughable villain. That being said i love the shit out of Thomas Jane and whatever his next project is i'll be the first in line.
Moto Redux... by Alonzo Mosely	May 15th, 2007 11:59:32 PM
I do respect you man, if you got a script that far you have gone much further than 99% of people who ever sit in front of a computer and begin to type Ext. Night. Mom's Basement... However, I still say throwing desperate pleas in TBs is not the way to go, but hell, that is just my opinion. Feel free to call me a knob-jockey in your first oscar speech...
Thomas Jane is, and will be, Frank Castle by TheBigChill	May 16th, 2007 12:02:48 AM
No, maybe The Punisher wasn't perfect, but for a movie based on a pretty flawed comic book, it delivered the action movie I didn't see coming. The unabashed violence that occured during the run-time of the fim was outstanding and unexpected. Like Vern, I didn't expect to enjoy the movie. In fact, I didn't plan on watching it at all until it arrived at my house thanks to someone adding it to my queue for Blockbuster Online, yet after watching it, I had to say that I didn't just enjoy it, I was wildly entertained and praying that a second one would be made that would explore the what next sort for Frank Castle angle, but unfortunately the movie that many geek fans wished they would see will never happen. When looking back on why I enjoyed The Punisher so much, I realized it wasn't the action, but it was Thomas Jane. I had never liked him in anything else before, but when he donned the black t-shirt and started sucking on the bottle of Wild Turkey like it was the only thing in the world that would keep him alive, he looked like a big screen bad ass, our Bruce Willis, this was his Die Hard series, and though I'm greatly disappointed to see that this movie, with him involved, will never come to fruition, I'm happy that he didn't get sucked in to a crappy sequel and that he stuck to his values and walked. Rest in peace Frank Castle, hopefully Jane can remember you in the form of another character.
I suppose it would be Int. Night. Mom's basement... by Alonzo Mosely	May 16th, 2007 12:06:02 AM
Unless your momma's so poor her basement is outside... I watch movies so I don't have to write them... Although I do have this great idea about a drug that opens up a portal to a demonic dimension called The DOORWAY to TRUE EVIL...
Krack by moto	May 16th, 2007 12:10:11 AM
I see your point. Thanks for the advice. Still stand by what I did, but thanks.
WOW - MARVEL PULL YOUR SHIT TOGETHER by TheDohDoh	May 16th, 2007 12:11:12 AM
The Punisher always gets fucked over. All I'm saying is that there are not many action franchises, if any, right now. This is a gold slipper, pardon those words. I mean, what the fuck type of ad-wizards set the first Punisher in daylight? I mean, IN FLORIDA. WTF. And against Travolta no less. That was a huge fuck up. I think Tom Jane is a great Punisher. And Quint, you're goddamn right Walter Hill would have done this right. Somewhere, Dolph Lund laughs.
no point in doing one without Thomas Jane by lynxpro	May 16th, 2007 12:13:25 AM
You know, I had my doubts when it was announced that Jane had landed the role for the first film. But the guy truly rocked in the role and it is admirable how much he embraced the character fully, just as Christian Bale has done with Batman. The film made me a fan of Jane and I went on to check him out in other roles like Stander. We need another Punisher film, set in New York City with Jane's Punisher inflicting a higher body count on crime than even Dolph Lungren's Punisher did back in the day on straight-to-video. Just get a damn script, don't blow the budget on a salary for someone like Travolta, and let Jane shine. Are all Hollywood execs dumb? Oh wait, don't answer that.
Just finished Dolph's Punisher by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 16th, 2007 12:15:35 AM
Still holds up for me. Yeah, it has lots of problems, but is still captures the "essence" of The Punisher. Maybe the nostalgia is clouding my objectivity/judgement. Maybe the Scotch. Regardless, Dolph just killed 'em all. Jane makes a better Castle though.
Whacky as hell... by Napoleon Park	May 16th, 2007 12:16:11 AM
...all the folks here, including one who apparently works here, identify the Thomas Jane Punisher movie as the first, as if the Dolph Lundgren Punisher movie never happened. What up with that? Thomas Jane is a big tough guy wo I'm not going to make crude sexist comments about his wife (though the "Medium renewed" talk back was full of them), but if I was married to Patricia Arquette I'd be spending a lot of time at home in bed. Thomas Jane would like to be in a Punisher movie that doesn't suck. After "2" a lot of fans want a Spider-Man movie that doesn't suck. The Punisher was originally a Spider-man protagonist. And fans love cross-over movies. Does anyone see where I'm heading with this?
Alonzo... by moto	May 16th, 2007 12:16:41 AM
Well said. I don't view it as a desperate plea at all though. Read the original post and you'll agree I'm sure. It was more of a "hey dude, if you're reading this, give Lions Gate a call and ask about x script they have in development." It'd be different if I wrote a 500 word post explaining the story and why I think he'd be great for it. Fuck that, right:) THAT would have been a desperate plea. This was more of a short and sweet heads up. But see your point and well said.
"3" by Napoleon Park	May 16th, 2007 12:19:38 AM
I meant "3".
get Joe Carnahan & his bro to crank a script out... by lynxpro	May 16th, 2007 12:23:25 AM
I have to side with the hometown hero as director and scribe for this project. He likes to do gritty films and The Punisher would be the perfect vehicle for him. And just like with Jane, Carnahan stuck to his principles which led to him being shown the door over MI:3 when Cruise Missile's handlers disagreed with a gritty take. If Carnahan can make Ryan Reynolds look like a badass (wait, so did Goyer), then he certainly can elevate Thomas Jane's cinematic asskickery beyond what we saw in the first Punisher reboot.
Napoleon Park... by Womb2dooM	May 16th, 2007 12:31:32 AM
"if I was married to Patricia Arquette I'd be spending a lot of time at home in bed." - Thanks for not making any crude sexist comments.
ban Sylar-eats-brains NOW!!! by Frank Black	May 16th, 2007 12:32:52 AM
I have had it with this jerk. He has put so much energy into trying to spoil Lost for all of the people who like it. Ban him! If for nothing else other than posting off topic, ban him! I wish there was a button to make idiots online appear in front of you so you could show them what happens when you talk shit in real life to real people. Thomas Jane rules!
That movie by Antonius	May 16th, 2007 12:43:19 AM
Kicked fucking ass. Fuck anyone that didn't like The Punisher. It was badass.
Mark Steven Johnson is a pox upon the House of M by lynxpro	May 16th, 2007 12:50:15 AM
Seriously, what kind of a egocentric smeghead does one have to be [insert Michael Bay joke] to try to put their own inferior spin on a character like Daredevil for a screenplay instead of doing a straight adaptation of Frank Miller's "Born Again" storyline? That would have been epic and the perfect cinematic story to introduce audiences to Daredevil. But instead, he put forward his own lame ass version. Perhaps him and Akiva Goldsman are the same person. People can biotch all they want about David Goyer, but he's ten times the screenwriter and director that MSJ is. MSJ will never write a Batman Begins caliber screenplay even if there were one thousand of him slappin'away at the same time on their own personal Commodore 64s or Trash-80s.
Put Jane in Superman instead of Routh. by superninja	May 16th, 2007 12:55:47 AM
They don't need someone that handsome for the Punisher, they need someone more thuggish.
no no no... by lynxpro	May 16th, 2007 01:10:11 AM
Tom Welling for Supes and Rosenbaum for Lex. And shitcan what's-his-multimillion-dollar -ass-crusing Craiglist-for-manpie-and-then- blames-said-individual-for-ste aling-his-cell-phone back to the Vic in London where he belongs. Then sick Jon Peters in a fight to the death with Bryan Singer in a Thunderdome-esque cage match where instead of suspended chainsaws the instruments of death are spiked butt plugs with Kevin Smith watching and saying "ha ha" at them both over who ruined Superman more but then ending it all with John Byrne pointing to Smith and telling him that his Superman script sucked too at which point Jay appears with a bong and recounts how he drove Paris Hilton to lesbianism and a domestic partnership with Rosie and a debate as to which one of them wears the giant keychain on their hip with the most amount of keys affixed to it.
Well, bummer... by SonOfJorel	May 16th, 2007 01:11:42 AM
I liked the first one. I really, really did. Jane grasped that character, wrestled that fucker to the ground, and made damn sure that everyone knew that it was his. I was unfathomably excited to see the further adventures of Frank Castle, as given to us by 'ol TJ. Now this. Well, that's okay. No Thomas Jane, no me for any Punisher sequel. I flat out fucking refuse. At this point, anyone else in that role would be like having some fucking CW prick playing Harry Callahan. BTW, I just did a project for one of my classes this semester, and I used TJ's Punisher for it. Got an A.
Tom Jane just made my list of favorite actors by IndustryKiller!	May 16th, 2007 01:13:17 AM
Bloody good show my friend. I was already planning on seeing The Mist and Killshot but I'll be looking forward to whatever he does from here on out. That's a fucking stand up move right there is what that is. Fuck the Punisher sequel and 99% of comic book films in general. Maybe witht he immediate fan drubbing of Ghost Rider and Spider Man 3 people are actually starting grow and backbone and some taste.
I actually liked the first by slapshot	May 16th, 2007 01:22:59 AM
'specially the extended cut. The obvious stuff that didn't work was Travolta's scene-chewing and the Ennis bits (the Russian, the neighbors, etc.). Kudos to Jane for having the balls to walk away from a bad project, though. Nice to see someone in H'wood still has the guts to do the right thing now and then. I'm sure Lion's Gate will go ahead and make the sequel, wonder who they'll get to replace him? (Eric Dane, perhaps?)
Fuck Punisher u must be stupid by pud_mckenzie	May 16th, 2007 01:24:45 AM
what are u smokin home cause u need to kick the habit. The Punisher is probably one of the best Comics out there. So come down to earth where we can kick ur ass.If u want Directions Please Reaspond. Plus Thomas Jane Rocks
Kind of wacky for this talkback but... by losder	May 16th, 2007 01:25:01 AM
Tom Jane would make a really good Captain America. It's kind of the polar opposite in the comic book spectrum, but whatever. The only problem is that captain america movies signal the death of comic book movies for at least 7 years.
Ja, I am with you on dis Herr Buzz. by superninja	May 16th, 2007 01:26:43 AM
Punisher is a dead-end in the movie department. Perhaps it could be fun on t.v.
Jane might be a good Cap. by superninja	May 16th, 2007 01:30:53 AM
He comes across as too sensitive for Punisher. I saw the film and he does not strike the right note, I don't care how many weights he lifted, or how many times he made that face. Castle works best when he is practically soulless and the movie took the wrong direction from frame 1. Anyway, he IS better suited to playing a character like Cap or Superman who has a degree of sensitivity but still embodies the masculine ideal. I'd love to see Jane's Superman team up with Bale's Batman.
didn't even realize they were making a sequel by decfx	May 16th, 2007 01:31:26 AM
the first was such a bomb at the box office.
Lionsgate Stopped Giving a Fuck by Liberty Valance	May 16th, 2007 01:32:37 AM
Lionsgate used to be a respectable arthouse independent. Nowadays all they do is shit out a new "Saw" movie every Halloween, milk every cent they can out of the already tiresome Tyler Perry teat and fill the in-between time with Larry the Cable Guy masterpieces and spectacularly awful no-budget horror. If you're looking for quality from this company, you need to look about five years in the past.
Tom Jane kicked ass in Stander by antonphd	May 16th, 2007 01:42:20 AM
And you really can't mention that enough. Let's see... maybe... Jack Ryan for Tom Jane's future? I know he's baddass muscle guy now, but, I'd like to see him in a smart action flick. Maybe he can play Defoe's character. Also, how about a some Sam Spade or other Hard Boiled Private Detectives. I would like to see Jane taking on some of the smarter action characters. Give me a remake of the Maltese Falcon. Just don't let anyone who has directed commercials of music videos near it.
Hmmmm... by antonphd	May 16th, 2007 01:43:47 AM
Captain America would be cool with Jane. Heh... let's face it... he should have been Daredevil and that's that.
Krack... you're making a mountain... by moto	May 16th, 2007 01:44:12 AM
...out of a mole hill. Or whatever the expression is. I wrote "Give Lionsgate a call and ask them about a script in development phase called "One Shot, One Kill". Character driven action flick! Perfect for you. They have the option and are searching for talent." It wasn't some desperate plea. It wasn't pitching some idea I had. It is what it is. It was me saying "IF you're reading this... check this script out at Lions Gate." It was professional, straight, and to the point. And in no way resembles a "call my sister it's her birthday" or "I have a cool idea for a movie". The dude said he hoped to find a flick along the lines of what he had been watching, and I threw out a quick and short comment. Let it go. This is getting ridiculous.
use garth ennis's writings, and dolph lundgren as frank by Bob C. Cock	May 16th, 2007 01:44:50 AM
as shitty as the first punisher movie was from the early 90's, dolph lundgren can kill anyone he wants as far as i'm concerned.
Did anyone play the hacked and uncensored by Dr. Frankenstein	May 16th, 2007 01:45:48 AM
version of the "PUNISHER" on xbox? jeez, that has to go down in history as the most bad ass game ever made. If they made a movie they should go for that kind of carnage and release it unrated on DVD and wait for the "300" style dollars to roll in. The public wants uber-violence. I'm kinda hoping as HD film making and sFX gets cheaper and filters to the masses then we're going to see a real democratisation of film making and, finally, some hardcore entertainment. Fuck the studios and the MPAA.
Tom Jane for Daredevil by antonphd	May 16th, 2007 01:46:16 AM
life isn't fair enough for that to happen. but it would be pretty damn cool if Jane still wants to play a superhero. but Marvel couldn't do something that cool.
antonphd, he would've been a good Daredevil as by superninja	May 16th, 2007 01:47:15 AM
well, certainly better than manboy Affleck. Jane comes across as mature, he could be any number of superheroes. I would hate to see Bale's Batman have to pay respect to Routh's Superman, it would never be believable.
Jane would even be a pretty good Green Arrow by superninja	May 16th, 2007 01:51:01 AM
although I still prefer Aaron Eckhart.
Let's just say they DO restart Daredevil with Jane. by superninja	May 16th, 2007 01:56:47 AM
(They've done it with Hulk.) Which storyline would you use since they already took one of the better ones?
Isn't that sort of the second film you want by superninja	May 16th, 2007 02:04:21 AM
after you start really strong on the first, kind of like Tony drinking problem out of control in Iron Man 2 or the Death of Gwen Stacy in Spidey? Now I am thinking of Buzz's comments about how not every comic book needs to be a movie. Daredevil might be better suited for t.v. given the focus of the lawyering and the heavy soap opera.
Tom Jane has earned some much needed respect here... by Doc_Strange	May 16th, 2007 02:07:22 AM
I never knew he put so much of himself into a tier 2 Marvel character. That takes dedication and a sincere love for the character. I hope he finds his success in Hollywood and that his breakthrough film can stand out with those that he mentioned. Personally, I think he looks like the futuristic bounty-hunter type. Kind of like Mel Gibson back in the Mad Max days. There's an idea. How bout that? There's a $100 million idea. Let's see if any directors reading this take note....
The first film was so tragic and so ridiculous. by superninja	May 16th, 2007 02:08:34 AM
I am a firm believer in building up the hero before you bring him crashing down. :) They should do a reboot that has a happy ending with Murdoch getting the girl (Karen) and his law firm doing well and him giving the Kingpin a setback. That way when he loses it all it will mean something.
Same problem I had with the Spidey films. by superninja	May 16th, 2007 02:12:22 AM
In the first film he turns down MJ because he doesn't want her to be in danger (W-H-A-T?). The second had a happy ending which is why everyone liked it. The last one had a sad/happy ending when everyone wanted MJ to die. See, if they had switched the arcs and tone of 2 and 3 it would've worked better.
Punisher is a lame character in and of himself. by superninja	May 16th, 2007 02:15:19 AM
The only thing that makes him interesting is how people react to him. His own personal drama is what drives him, but it's just a reference that justifies his killing rage, it is not what drives the stories. They made Punisher too everyman and likeable in the Jane movie. He is supposed to be like the man without a name character that dispenses justice to mob wackos and hitmen freaks.
The Punisher cost around $16mil and brought in $54mil by Womb2dooM	May 16th, 2007 02:16:36 AM
And this doesn't count video, TV etc sales. Hardly Spider-Man numbers, but by no means a flop.
Hey Thomas if you read this... by Frye777	May 16th, 2007 03:13:07 AM
...respect to you! Now that was a ballsy and honest move! Keep up the great work, Stander was really great! I am sure a guy who projects coolness like you will make an even greater career in the future. Best wishes!
Womb2dooM by Napoleon Park	May 16th, 2007 03:21:58 AM
"Thanks for not making any crude sexist comments." *** yeah, I know. I moderate a BDSM group and sometimes I can't help talking like a gas station attendant. That was meant as a restrained comment. The guy has a lovely wife. (And she did okay too, mate wise.) "Spending time in bed" is what happily married people find time to do.
She has nice tits, too... by Womb2dooM	May 16th, 2007 03:30:04 AM
while we're on the topic.
Nope Marvel just like DC by Unnatural	May 16th, 2007 03:34:14 AM
I had high hopes for Marvel properties when Spider-Man, The Hulk and The Punisher hit theaters. Some hits, some misses, but the misses still were better than anything after Superman II and Batman Returns. Now with Spider-man 3 and X-men 3 and this news, I am convinced... the more money these morons make, the more they take a personal stake in fucking up our movies. Oh well, just another $10 I can save if it ever gets made.
Thomas Jane Did My Comedy Show A Week Ago... by Nonemoreblack	May 16th, 2007 03:36:07 AM
It's called The Intergalactic Defenders of Comedy a show at the Improv in L.A. where the theme is stand-up comics who are into comics and sci-fi John Pinette (who was also in the Punisher) headlined the show. Jane is a class act. Everyone in the audience got a signed copy of his comic book Alien Pig Farmer and he also signed tons of Punisher stuff for us to give away. During the show we did a brief interview, I asked him flat out if he was in Spider-Man 2 at the end and he winked at the audience and said he couldn't talk about it. He also mentioned they were having trouble nailing down a good script for the sequel and that he was hoping to have Jigsaw in it. He couldn't have been a better guest and everyone left the show happy. It's too bad to hear he's out but I agree, do it right or not at all. His career will be fine and Lionsgate will either wise up or do the straight to video Punisher that runs it into the ground which will only inspire someone else to show them how it's done ten years from now. You can check out the show at: http://www.myspace.com/interg alacticdefenders We should have some video up soon.
Jane was the only good thing... by Steve Rogers	May 16th, 2007 03:39:03 AM
...in the shitfest that was Punisher 1. I wish Arad, Marvel and the other pricks involved had waited until they actually had some budget and behind the camera talent to use on the picture rather than rushing into it ill-prepared and under-funded. The only chance Punisher 2 had of being any fucking good at all just walked out the door.
Andre Stander! by raw_bean	May 16th, 2007 04:07:00 AM
Just joining the parade of folks wanting to express how great Jane was in Stander. He's always impressed me even in shitty films like P1, and this note here proves what a stand-up guy he is. He needs more good flicks like Stander. Hollywood: get on it!
Dolph is needed by CuervoJones	May 16th, 2007 04:12:08 AM
blam blam
He was fucking brilliant in Stander by 11dayempire	May 16th, 2007 04:31:36 AM
The guy really should be better-known. A hardcore, Walter-Hill-directed Punisher 2 might just have been the way to achieve that. Oh well, Lionsgate. Good job on pissing away that franchise...
I’m a french director in competitions to direct P2… by dsarrio	May 16th, 2007 04:35:04 AM
Hi guys, I send you a link where you can watch a teaser Based on Marvel’s Character Punisher that I produced and directed. In fact, ,I ‘m in competition to direct “The Punisher 2” for Lion’s Gate (I have a representative in LA )In order to get a chance I produced and directed a teaser about my vision of this character. You can watch the teaser on Ftp address : http://francois.ferracci.free. fr/PUNISHER ( try first low def) You can a also watch another shorts on http://dsarrio.free.fr : “Feedback” / best action sequence short and best action short of the year 2006 at OOF Festival L.A or “Daredevil the teaser”, my first short. I hope you’ll enjoying them I’m so disappointed that Thomas Jane pulls out the Punisher sequel ! …and they should have take Walter Hill, he made greats films ! All the best David Sarrio
I might watch THE PUNISHER if only for one thing... by Knugen	May 16th, 2007 04:53:20 AM
and that would be Travolta getting killed in a wonderfully gruesome way. I personally can't stand that cultist fuck. Too bad he is a fairly talented actor.
I saw the Tom Jane's punisher on TV a while ago and by emeraldboy	May 16th, 2007 05:15:22 AM
it came off as a tv movie of the week. It looked like they had very little money while making it. The mob angle made no sense. What travolta was doing in it I have no idea. Cheap rubbish.
watch teaser Punisher 2 !! by dsarrio	May 16th, 2007 05:20:18 AM
I’m a french director in competitions to direct P2… Hi guys, I send you a link where you can watch a teaser Based on Marvel’s Character Punisher that I produced and directed. In fact, ,I ‘m in competition to direct “The Punisher 2” for Lion’s Gate (I have a representative in LA )In order to get a chance I produced and directed a teaser about my vision of this character. You can watch the teaser on Ftp address : http://francois.ferracci.free. fr/PUNISHER ( try first low def) You can a also watch another shorts on http://dsarrio.free.fr : “Feedback” / best action sequence short and best action short of the year 2006 at OOF Festival L.A or “Daredevil the teaser”, my first short. I hope you’ll enjoying them I’m so disappointed that Thomas Jane pulls out the Punisher sequel ! …and they should have take Walter Hill, he made greats films ! All the best David Sarrio
DonkeyTron and Quint by ToJPhantom	May 16th, 2007 05:48:22 AM
The Popsicle scene, the Russian, Harry Heck, Joan, Dave, and Bumpo are all in the comics.
Punisher = cynicism and sarcasm by Benway1	May 16th, 2007 06:22:00 AM
Almost non-existant in the first movie and PG at most. I doubt a sequel will be that different. Maybe gorier or the inclusion of some of that overrated boring torture porn, but the ennis humor, nah they don't get it I bet. Maybe Edgar Wright or that guy who did Severance
dsarrio by tile_mcgillus	May 16th, 2007 06:33:28 AM
HOLY FUCKING SHIT! That was fucking amazing. The dialogue and tone matched the character perfectly. The self hatred. The lighting. The Punisher killing alot of people and being a ruthless asshole. Brilliant. Can WE PLEASE GET THOMAS JANE BACK AND AN AWESOME SCRIPT! And give this a guy a shot...that short was more the Punisher than the whole last movie.
lost cause by Obscura	May 16th, 2007 06:46:17 AM
they've got rid of Jane, who was the only good thing about the original. plus his voice acting work for the game was spot on perfect for the character. he knew how to do this character right, he just didnt get the chance. fuckit, why dont we just write a script? quint can direct, we all get our names in the credits. a film by the people for the people. lionsgate get the cash, we get the film we wanted.
Stander is fantastic. by DocPazuzu	May 16th, 2007 06:59:35 AM
One of the best movies I saw that year, hands down. I've always liked Tom Jane and never understood the flak he gets. After this glimpse of what the private Tom Jane thinks and feels, my respect for the man has increased even more. For those of you who haven't seen Stander yet, do what HeWhoCannotBeNamed did -- put it at the top of your viewing lists. You won't regret it.
I just got sp ed Punisher too! by Dazzler69	May 16th, 2007 07:08:57 AM
This is a bad day for me! I have been waiting for Jane to come back for this...bullshit...
Love early Walter Hill .. but Supernova? by JackRabbitSlim	May 16th, 2007 07:09:00 AM
Yes Ive read rumors of endless studio interference - but do you see ANYTHING remotely worthwhile in that film? And for the mean green perspective, it lost an Exxon-Mobil quarterly profit at the boxoffice. While i for one enjoyed that last prison flick he did - with Snipes and Rhames, i can certainly see why he'd now be considered a lowbudget niche director. Hell why not start mentioning Kathryn Bigelow or John Dahl?
Studio Logic by 1FearlessJay	May 16th, 2007 07:35:37 AM
Studio Exec: "How can we f*@k up our Punisher property any more in the sequel? We already changed his origin, toned him down, and set the story in a tropical local." Studio Lackee: "Well, what if we drive Tom Jane off the picture." Studio Exec: "That's perfect! He was the best thing about the original! DTV here we come!"
Oh, and I forgot to add... by 1FearlessJay	May 16th, 2007 07:38:11 AM
Studio Exec: "And bring me the heads of some kittens to eat."
Punisher should be a live action HBO series... by stlfilmwire	May 16th, 2007 07:50:36 AM
It would be great as a series. A film? Not so much.
Thomas Jane = Class by cromulent	May 16th, 2007 07:56:59 AM
Definitely love the Jane. Enjoyed his work even in the not so great movies like Dreamcatcher. Wasn't he in Arrested Developement for one episode? haha nice.
QUINT - seriously - take down this post by Fish Tank	May 16th, 2007 08:02:12 AM
IF Jane was OK with you actually posting it (though I doubt it, or he didn't think it through), it's probably best to not post a personal letter on the web. There are actors that can get away with this, and unfortunately Jane aint one of them. I've seen every flick he's in, and I really do like him as an actor, but he doesn't have Cruise, Willis or Smith power (yet). The last thing he needs is to come across as a whiny baby that goes running to movie web sites when nothing goes his way. The way I see it - this was a PERSONAL letter to you - not the public. Congrats, you're tight with Jane, now pull the post, or mod it, and do the right thing. I'd like to see him get more work.
Tom Jane just earned my man-love. by Doctor_Sin	May 16th, 2007 08:02:24 AM
It's so painfully obvious that we need to quit blaming the actors for films...quit blaming directors...we all know the Suits (where do they come from that they are all so fucking lame???) fuck shit up.
Walking a Fine Line by BeyondStatic	May 16th, 2007 08:16:15 AM
The character, clearly, deserves a hard R-rated film to be fully realized. But a hard R is a tough sell in comic adaptations (think SPAWN). Even with Jane as near-perfect casting, a bad script is a bad script. There is massive potential here, but after the first film the studio is no doubt (or at least SHOULD BE) weary of risking boucoup bucks on what is now a tremendous gamble. We're walking a fine line here. But if they can get a GOOD SCRIPT then perhaps they can lure back they're key star and make a film that is worth talking about - or better yet, seeing!
Sounds like a cool guy by Franklin T Marmoset	May 16th, 2007 08:16:27 AM
Not just for pulling out, but because it seems like he was busting his ass to ensure the sequel would be really good. What a shame all his work came to nothing. Also, what the hell, I will also chime in and suck Stander's dick. That is a great film, which is recommended to anyone who hasn't seen it.
Todd Parker......... by Stuntcock Mike	May 16th, 2007 08:21:10 AM
Stick to your guns brother.
Don't forget 61* by aquaman99	May 16th, 2007 08:21:31 AM
That and Stander proved to me that this guy has depth. Yeah, he exhibited it in the Punisher and it was the dark hair...I swear at moments he looks just like Jack Keroauc circa that famous Gap ad... Tom, take it from a fellow Baltamoran...DO MORE DEEP ROLES.!
TJ is an incredible actor- FUCK Lionsgate... by Jugdish	May 16th, 2007 08:33:50 AM
Seriously this dude needs to screw that Punisher bullshit..Imagine if they did a remake of OLDBOY with him and Nic Cage- that would never happen because of Virginia Tech- but there would be a strange vibe since both guys have been married to the same broad...I say do it
Oh fuck... by Fenrisulfr	May 16th, 2007 08:36:27 AM
Man this is a movie I really wanted to see. Thomas had been talking about that sequel for quite a while now, saying that it would be darker and even more violent, that Castle WOULD torture criminals and all. The first Punisher kinda sucked, I agree. But like some you said already, it wasn't Jane's fault at all. I actually thought Jane was quite good as The Punisher. This news really saddens me.
Reboot - again? by theyreflockingthisway	May 16th, 2007 08:51:27 AM
As The Punisher is a very character driven story and Thomas Jane isn't returning, does that mean a sequel should still go ahead? I mean we can use a degree of imagination with the movies and it's an actor's job to play someone they're not - but will we be able to follow a story where the main character changes in the next chapter? The story is about Frank Castle - he's not someone you can easily replace in a sequel and expect the audience to not care. I wouldn't be interested in seeing a sequel with a new Punisher and another reboot (which will be the third time) seems pointless. It should just not be made unless they can produce and original stand alone story that isn't another origin.
Just read some of Garth Ennis' punisher stuff by BLWiseass	May 16th, 2007 08:52:15 AM
put Castle in New York, have him shootup mafia bad guys and be creative with it. It isn't brain surgery.
Thursday by Fenrisulfr	May 16th, 2007 08:54:06 AM
And did someone already mention THURSDAY? I loved this film. When Thomas gets raped by that tall skinny bitch, lol. Lot of comedy in this one, and Jane was brilliant.
Jane's best work, clearly... by keyserSOZE	May 16th, 2007 09:00:59 AM
was on Arrested Development. "Look, you're really sweet, but I'm Tom Jane."
LIONSGATE CAN LICK MY BALL SACK by Drexl Spivey	May 16th, 2007 09:17:35 AM
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Jane was great by photoboy	May 16th, 2007 09:23:43 AM
It's a real shame he's pulling out, but if it's going to be a shitty movie then he's definitely made the right decision.
Thursday was really good! by Frank Black	May 16th, 2007 09:26:52 AM
We used to watch it at the video store once a month with the owner and he loved the dialogue in the quickie mart about Star Trek. I liked Deep Blue Sea too and actually saw that at a premiere in NY and shook his hand after and told him how much I loved the movie and loved him in Boogie Nights. He is a great actor and hopefully we will continue to see him in great roles.
Jane's own Punisher by Magnum Opus	May 16th, 2007 09:31:24 AM
I remember reading, years ago, that Jane was trying to buy the script himself to make a smaller budget hardcore gritty Punisher which the big studios would never be down with. It's a shame that never happened, because what I read from him back then sounded just like this, impassioned and serious about doing the comic justice.
Wait a second... by Colin62	May 16th, 2007 09:35:35 AM
I'm sure a "comic enthusiast" has already pointed this out, but the popsicle interrogation is taken word for word and frame by frame from Punisher War Zone #1.
Fincher+Liotta= The Punisher by Mandolorian	May 16th, 2007 09:37:14 AM
That's all.
They should get Wayne Kramer! by Neo Zeed	May 16th, 2007 09:38:14 AM
Running Scared was awesome. Walter Hill would've been awesome. IF John Woo would've got his head out his ass while in the states, this would've been a great project for him. How about John McTeirnan or Paul Verhoeven. They can't be asking for mega-salaries nowadays. If they want a new guy why not get that dude who made Hostage. He was pretty good.
I have major respect for Thomas Jane... by Double-Oh	May 16th, 2007 09:38:17 AM
Vern is right, it's a rare occurrence in mainstream Hollywood that you see an actor stand up for the art rather than a feeble attempt at a studio trying to pick up some dough. What I don't understand is that whenever studios decide to destroy artistic vision to pander to the mainstream it always results in poor critical reception and box office numbers. It's amazing that people who run a multimillion dollar industry can't learn that simple lesson. Spiderman 3 only made major cash because the first two were so damn good and people expected something great with the 3rd. Spidey 3 is going to have less repeat viewers (like me) who will see it again in relation to the last two and less people will be enthusiastic to spend money on the sequels.
Punisher 1 is just horrible by BrowncoatJedi	May 16th, 2007 10:05:25 AM
I hope this project is canceled now.
How about make a 80's/90s Pre-matrix style action movie by Neo Zeed	May 16th, 2007 10:20:47 AM
I get the vibe that Thomas Jane and the director don't like those kind of action movies. Heck, 90% of the movies Jane listed aren't even action movies (Although maybe they're just movies that help with his performance.) The first Punisher tried to be some thriller/comedy thing. It didn't work. I like crime movies and 70's style stuff but I also find myself watching Passenger 57, Lethal Weapon (123), Speed, Point Break. In fact if they got those writers and directors, the movie would've been a HUGE step up IMO. All they need is a script with proper three act structure and an experienced crew (who can shoot action in the vein of Die Hard) and I'm good.
Kirk. James Tiberius Kirk. by Matango!	May 16th, 2007 10:21:26 AM
Who'd be better?
Tom Jane......come back by liljuniorbrown	May 16th, 2007 10:30:08 AM
Why can't he direct it himself? Seriously. He knows the look he wants and overall what he's going for so why not direct it himself. If Stallone can direct and write then Tom Jane can fucking direct and write. I have to admit i like the Punisher ,there are things I would change (no singing hitmen,opera lipsynching fat men,gay mobsters,or trench coats in Tampa) but overall it was good. Jane was awesome in Stander (didn't know I was going to have to see his dong but oh well) and I know he could make this film so much better given the chance. I don't want to even get started on the Walter Hill thing I mean fucking Last Man Standing was awesome. I'm boycotting Lionsgate and I beg you all to do the same.I can't even imagine a Tom Jane Punisher2 inspired by all of the films he listed above and written/directed by Walter Hill and Tom Jane. Fuck you Lionsgate.
All I wanna know is... by CaptainTripps	May 16th, 2007 10:35:41 AM
where I can get my very own light-up Punisher skull t-shirt!
Are you sure it was Tom Jane? by epitone	May 16th, 2007 10:56:00 AM
And not just a homeless guy?
FUCK LIONSGATE by StarkCEO	May 16th, 2007 10:57:40 AM
Son of a bitch. I have read every god damn Marvel MAX Punisher. I love that character. I liked the first Punisher movie. I own it and the extended cut. Tom Jane was Frank Castle. Tom Jane if you read this I'm sorry Lionsgate is a piece of shit. You are the Fucking Man! My only hope at this point is Marvel will buy back the Punisher rights (which ain't gonna happen cause money talks and bull shit walks). FUCK YOU LIONSGATE!!! I want to fucking Vomit! Maybe if Marvel could get the rights they could breathe some creativity into this project and TOM JANE could come back. Garth Ennis writes incredible Punisher stories. There is no reason they couldn't adapt any of the MAX stories and have a kick ass movie. As a Punisher fan my heart feels as trampled as Tom's. FUCK YOU IN THE FUCKING GOAT ASS LIONSGATE!!!
more fuckin execs.. by El Borak	May 16th, 2007 11:00:13 AM
heads out of asses!
I kinda liked the 1st Punisher... by Mr Chuff	May 16th, 2007 11:06:25 AM
now I know I may be set on fir

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