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I Know What You’ll Do Next Summer!! SWEEPS DAY 20!!
VERONICA MARS, P.I.!!

Can't Wait by NudeandAroused	May 15th, 2007 04:20:31 AM
Will see all epiosdes
Sounds good by Wldmk	May 15th, 2007 04:38:48 AM
Hearing good things about the finale, and glad to hear it may very well be coming back as well..
Herc, I wish you'd post one last Gilmore Girls TB. by Pennsy	May 15th, 2007 04:41:44 AM
It did rally back from the Superfund toxic waste dump that was season 6 and is going out on a relative good note.
It's CW's own damn fault... by InfinityWave	May 15th, 2007 04:42:08 AM
...if they can't sell this and Supernatural. Two great shows still on the bubble or gone. Madness!
Aren't you guys paying attention? by VitaminJ	May 15th, 2007 06:37:55 AM
We've got to find a new Pussycat Doll. NOW. Scripted drama be damned.
Wait, you have to pass an exam to be a PI? by newc0253	May 15th, 2007 06:53:13 AM
is there a practical? and does it involve sitting in a car with a pair of binoculars for 10 hrs at a stretch?
Pennsy, Herc will never admit that about the GG's. by ExcaliburFfolkes	May 15th, 2007 07:15:16 AM
Since he so vocally tossed his lot in with the Palladino's last spring and predicted utter disaster for the show, he knows he'd look like a complete fool if he tried to backtrack now. Nonetheless, dumping the Palladino's was the best move WB/CW could have made and it worked out splendidly. The show went out with a fine last season.
Hope It's Not Too Late by Roboteer	May 15th, 2007 07:34:06 AM
Breaking out the bikinis that is. We could have used a bit more of that since it IS California. What better place to solve crimes than at the beach? Also hot sweaty bed wrestling with Logan went farther than the constant bickering. Just some thoughts, please, for renewal.
It's done, it's over, Cut it out! by CatVutt	May 15th, 2007 08:27:28 AM
I WILL NOT BE SUCKED INTO THINKING THERE'S STILL A CHANCE FOR MORE VERONICA.
Supernatural is awesome. by Shermdawg	May 15th, 2007 08:55:41 AM
The prison and genie episodes from last month were two of the series best. But the show isn't perfect. Just like The X-Files, the mythology episodes, outside of last season's finale are kinda meh. If it doesn't return, I hope Ackles lands a good gig. Next to Holloway, he's the next big thing.
C'mon, Herc! GG Talkback! by brianroberts101	May 15th, 2007 10:17:04 AM
C'mon Herc, give us one last GG talkback! Some of us still love the show! Give an outlet to those who are sticking with it to the end!
Lamenting my Gilmore Girls by Fart_Master_Flex	May 15th, 2007 12:20:30 PM
Oh those poor Gilmore Girls. If only they could have gone out on a good note. There is nothing worse than a show that stays past its prime. Don't be fooled people, last season sucked too. I know the phrase jump the shark has actually jumped the shark. But seriously, when Luke found out he had a fucking daughter? That was when the fucking jumped the shark. So I actually applaud the writers of the show for doing the best they could with the sorry state the Paladinos left the show in.
Exactly, Fart by brianroberts101	May 15th, 2007 12:27:43 PM
Wow, that's the weirdest sounding subject line ever! I have definitely had mixed feelings about this season, but the last 1/2 has been remarkably above the caliber of season 6. Even April didn't bother me as much, and at least Rosenthal brought back some of the peripheral characters. I'm not ecstatic about this season, but I'm much happier with the progress it has made after the crap way the Paladinos ended last season. Another thing about the Palladinos: they had no clue what to do with Luke and Lorelai after they got the two together. So, they thrust April into the mix, and completely screwed up a potentially great season. Ugh. Anyway, I'll still watch the DVDs again with my wife (ALL seasons) because even below-average GG is better than most crap on TV.
I really hope Thomas writes both parts of the finale... by DanielKurland	May 15th, 2007 01:26:31 PM
That'd be really great. I'd settle for a Ruggiero/Thomas combo, or at this point, even a Ruggiero/Enbom combo. Still loving the show in spite of the standalone stuff, but I really wish Logan never made that cake. That's not his character at all.
I agree about the Cake. by CatVutt	May 15th, 2007 01:29:54 PM
Maybe Logan's on Prozac or something. That would be a hilarious little twist. Oh, and off-topic, and not that I'm a fan, cuz I only saw about 1/2 of one, but that CBS Jericho thing has been axed according to Ausiello. I just saw that.
And there will be NO VM on CW's fall schedule. by CatVutt	May 15th, 2007 02:10:02 PM
Again, according to Ausiello.
...and I'd rant, of course... by CatVutt	May 15th, 2007 02:11:17 PM
But as noted, I've been vehemently resisting the urge to harbor any hope for the show anyway.
Oh put VM out of its misery already by AnnoyYou	May 15th, 2007 02:44:39 PM
Jesus. It's been a crap show for the past two seasons. And now Thomas is probably going over to further ruin "Laughlin," the undoubtedly-crap American version of the marginal British series "Blackpool." Can't wait to see that one.
Personally, I Blame UPN by Colier Rannd	May 15th, 2007 03:23:05 PM
Let's face it the show (VM) was on it's way up. It had something like the largest debut of a non-WWF show in UPN's short history, it has Kristen Bell, who's hot as hell, and a great sense of itself. What's UPN do? Screw it up! No, let's send Veronica to college and do all these other things...let's not let the show grow organically! That would make sense! As long as we get more girls in bikinis I'm in. LOL
CattVutt... by DanielKurland	May 15th, 2007 04:46:07 PM
I've come to take what you say to somewhat high regard as we've come to share opinions on VM, Studio 60, and various other shows. I tried not to get my hopes up about VM returning, but with the re-tooling and all of that, I couldn't help but be a little optimistic, and now this. I guess Rob Thomas will take on that job as showrunner for that show on CBS. At least they're less trigger-happy with cancelling shows, and I'm glad I gave up on Jericho quickly, if it ended up not getting a second season. OH WELL. I guess I'll just have Lost, How I Met Your Mother, The Office, and BSG (which I've never been THAT into) next year. Maybe some of those new HBO shows will be worthwhile. Hopefully.
HUGE VM Rumor.... by Hail	May 15th, 2007 05:13:55 PM
That the show will return, albeit slightly altered....it will fast forward 6 yrs into the future where Miss Veronica Vaughn...er...Mars is now a member of the FBI.... just a rumor floating aboot....
Not to sound rude, Hail... by DanielKurland	May 15th, 2007 05:18:41 PM
But that rumor is fact, and it's been around for some time. The latest is whether the idea will be enough to bring the show back. Apparently Ostroff loved the concept, which is why it's confusing as to why it coming back isn't a lock.
Adios, Stars Hollow by k88dad	May 15th, 2007 06:54:49 PM
I will miss GG the way I miss maybe one show a decade: Northern Exposure, St. Elsewhere, Mary Tyler Moore, Dick Van Dyke. Here's hoping that the final episode of GG will be as memorable.
Time to hijack the VM talkback for the next hour... by Pennsy	May 15th, 2007 06:56:20 PM
As I'll be watching the Gilmore finale with my dad.
Thank you, Lauren, Alexis, Scott, Kelly, etal by Pennsy	May 15th, 2007 06:57:57 PM
For 7 pretty good seasons, save for S6.
ExcaliburFolkes, brianroberts101... by Pennsy	May 15th, 2007 06:59:04 PM
I expect a PBP of the episode when I get back online, if you would. :)
DK. by CatVutt	May 15th, 2007 06:59:14 PM
Yeah, I noticed that as well. And since you mentioned it, I gotta give a HUGE shout-out to HIMYM for really nailing the Season finale and Robin departure. I can't remember the last show that ditched a major cast member like that so effortlessly and appropriately. I'm impressed. Can't wait to see Ted and Barney back in action.
I sorta worded that wrong. by CatVutt	May 15th, 2007 07:28:00 PM
Obviously she may not be gone-gone, but...whatever, point being, great finale, and writing that came from character, not plot manipulation.
End.of.an.era. by Pennsy	May 15th, 2007 08:03:14 PM
What a way to go out. Thank you, Gilmore Girls. Yeah, I cried at the end. So sue me. :)
Jericho: CANCELLED! :-( :-D by Prof. Pop-Cult	May 15th, 2007 08:04:03 PM
Hilarious. The season finale ended on several cliffhangers -- the war with New Bern heating up, a reconstituted U.S. marines force heading toward Jericho to hunt down Hawkins... but never mind now! The End. On the one hand, I'm not going to miss the show. On the other hand, it would have been much better if the producers wrapped up all the storylines at the end of the season, with the intent to come up with new storylines for a second season. So for all of us who sat through all 22 episodes of Jericho -- it all ended on a cliffhanger.
GG was great.... by Lance4431	May 15th, 2007 08:12:49 PM
for most of its run. It had a dinstinctive voice and will go down as a classic, mark my words. The finale was sad, sad, sad (in a good way).
Did anyone else notice the final shot of the series... by Pennsy	May 15th, 2007 08:16:25 PM
Was the final shot of the pilot; Lorelai and Rory, in Luke's, early morning. Fuck American Idol, Dancing with the D-List'ers and every reality show up its fucking ass. They won't even come close to the goodness that a scripted show is capable of delivering.
fuck GC with is a Veronica Mars thread by Mr_X	May 15th, 2007 08:24:26 PM
YEah veronica Mars, the best show the CW has, ya got that, and yes it will be back. It has to.
Yeah, I noticed that shot, too, Pennsy. by ExcaliburFfolkes	May 15th, 2007 08:30:23 PM
It was also always used as the final shot in the opening montage during the theme song. You could go as far as saying it is iconic to the whole series.
From your lips to God's ears, Mr_X, hope you're right.. by Pennsy	May 15th, 2007 08:31:12 PM
It all depends on two things, I think; the rating for tonight, and if Thomas decides to call it a day and take CBS' offer to showrun Viva Longthorn. Thing is, Kristen Bell is not even on the mainland, as she's filming Forgetting Sarah Anderson in Hawaii. They're gonna have to make a decision quick so they can fly her and Colantoni to NYC for the upfront presentation Thursday at MSG.
I can't believe Gilmore Girls is over. by ExcaliburFfolkes	May 15th, 2007 08:42:00 PM
I feel like one of the Stars Hollow townspeople at the party, who watched Rory grow up all these years and am so sad to see her going away. I'll miss all the characters on the show. No more rushing home Tuesday nights to watch the Gilmore Girls, no more rewatching the episodes on tape over the weekend to prep for the next week, no more watching the season DVD's over the summer to get my fix before the new fall episodes return. Seven seasons went past way too swiftly.
"Talk about making up for that crappy PI exam score!" by CatVutt	May 15th, 2007 09:01:25 PM
Classic Keith, and perfect VM facial expression. Too funny. Good episode, if a bit telegraphed on the whole 'fake' story reveal. I did find myself bored during the Logan/Parker moments though. Dick's conversation with his dad felt a little ham-handed too, but I think that stems from my personal reluctance to view Dick as anything more than one-dimensional. Don't give Dick a soul...he's simple.
Motherfracker. by CatVutt	May 15th, 2007 09:44:05 PM
If that's a real spoiler, that a lot of people have been trying to avoid, they you should truly rot in some tortuous hell forced to watch 'Small Wonder' reruns ad nauseum.
Oh, I get it. by CatVutt	May 15th, 2007 09:50:49 PM
The kiddies felt the need to piss in the Lost TB pool so much that it got pulled or something, so we've got spillover. Tediousness at it's finest.
Motherfracker is probably a Sanjaya fan. by Pennsy	May 15th, 2007 10:02:41 PM
Heh.
Prof Pop-Cult, you bring up a good point about Jericho. by Pennsy	May 15th, 2007 10:09:31 PM
Those poor frackers who watched and invested all season got stuck with a My Wife and Kids-esque finish; which is to say, no finish at all. But Gilmore Girls did have closure. I don't think an 8th season would have been good, a 13 or 16-episode one at that. It was time.
Don't you want to... by mrtwig48	May 15th, 2007 10:16:09 PM
...stick your dick into Veronica Mars. Well, you 12 year old talkbackers don't know what I am talking about.
Well, once they ax VM, there's always the IFL on by Pennsy	May 15th, 2007 10:35:03 PM
MyNetworkTV. I'm a mixed martial arts fan, and that show has a fair amount of promise. I'd like to see Pride (pre-UFC buyout) and K-1 ensure Dana White doesn't have a complete foothold on the MMA market. But that's MNTV's first programming decision that I like. Which is more than I can say for the CW which, if they don't get their shit together, may be defunct in 2 years or so.
Veronica Mars, FBI Woman by Napoleon Park	May 16th, 2007 12:35:08 AM
"The Girl From F.B.I.", "Get Mars", "I, Veronica Mars, Spy", "Mission: Mars", "Veronica Mars Was A Spy For The FBI", "Mars Squad", "FBI: Mars", "Alias Veronica Mars", "Mars Agent", "Mars For The Defense", "Our Woman Mars", "Mars is from Venus, Mercury is from Uranus", "Mars Is For Loving". One more. "If They Canceled Karen Sisco What Makes You Think This Will Work?"
My long winded conclusive thoughts on Veronica Mars... by DanielKurland	May 16th, 2007 01:21:54 AM
This is even more poignant now that the show is like 99 percent cancelled. This was a great episode, and it reminded me of why this show works. The Keith and Veronica banter was great, in spite of how I'm not completely behind both Veronica and Logan's new relationships, I did enjoy watching them work parallel to each other, and the fact that someone like Cliff will agree to do an episode just to deliver one line is all very nice. Thank you for that scene between Dick and his father about Beaver. It was long overdue. I would have liked to have seen Veronica call Logan about her FBI business, but I thought about it, and it doesn't even seem like she'd call Wallace to tell him this information. Next week's finale looks great. I hope that Veronica's "You're out of my life for good" to Logan comment isn't how things end with them, because blowing that in the commercial would be foolish, and I don't see why Veronica would defend Piz if what he did is actually what he did. Overall, the third season of this show wasn't that bad. Arrested Development is probably one of the finest shows to come to TV, but its third season also faltered due to network interference. It's incredibly hard to run a TV show, especially today, especially when you have a smart show, and the network is insisting that you simplify things. I can't imagine how difficult that would be, but all things considered, despite the changes, as a whole I think VM's last season will be looked kindly upon in retrospect. Season one and two were truly epic television but season one sufferred in my opinion from a lot of poorly conceived standalone episodes, and season two did become pretty busy (I didn't mind this so much though). Watching this show as a collective WILL hold up though, and I don't think people will be attacking the third season when everything is said and done. My only regrets is that the show had to compromise their vision to get viewers, and they still got fucked over in the end, and that the last episode we'll see, while being conclusive, was not written as a final episode and stuff WILL be left dangling (Thomas has stated this). So, Veronica Mars, you were a great, great show, and your only fault was being too fucking smart. Had you of made Paris Hilton's character in season one a regular cast member, we'd probably all be reading about it's renewal up to 2010. Knock it out of the park next week, and make sure Dohring, Colitani, and Bell get steady work in television. Thanks for reading this.
Veronica Mars, Murder She Wrote by thenatureboy	May 16th, 2007 01:24:36 AM
I'm glad that Veronica Mars isn't coming back. Without a big overlying mystery to carry momentum through the show it just became Murder She Wrote set in college. Way to dumb the show down for retards that can't pay attention CW. At least Lost hasn't dumber itself down...yet.
CattVutt, on HIMYM... by DanielKurland	May 16th, 2007 01:26:27 AM
Yeah, they did a fantastic finale. I loved how it was essentially just one conversation between Barney, and Ted and Robin. And I love how they plan stuff ahead, like the whole sauce thing from two episodes back. I'd be very happy for season three to start off with Ted and Barney living together. At least THAT show isn't cancelled.
DON'T BE AFRAID, HERC! by biggles2_22	May 16th, 2007 08:23:32 AM
L O S T TALK-BACK NOW!
Gilmore Girls Finale by brianroberts101	May 16th, 2007 09:58:01 AM
Okay, Pennsy (and everybody else), here's my PBP of the last-ever GG. I had to do this at work because AICN wouldn't let me log-in at home last night (I'm an English teacher, so I'm doing this while the kids are watching "O Brother, Where Art Thou?"). Anyway, first, I loved this episode. It was a nice cap to a pretty perfect series run. I really liked that it felt like almost every other episode or season finale of the show (except the atrocious season 6 finale...ugh...why, Palladinos, why?!). Sometimes shows try too hard to make the series finale a HUGE event, and it changes the feel of the finale, making it not work (i.e. Seinfeld). In this case, though, the writers really nailed it; this episode could have been a season OR series finale. Pros: 1. It brought back every minor character (for the most part), which shows that Rosenthal understood the show was almost as much about the town as it was about the Gilmores. 2. The Luke/Lorelai thing was ended nicely, without overdoing it. They could have made the last episode one in which they elope and live happily ever after, but it was a wise choice to leave their relationship to the imagination. Besides, Luke and Lorelai don't really work as a couple the way the Palladinos did it. It's much better if we just know they're together and we don't have to actually see the relationship problems, etc. Also, I liked the parallel to Lorelai's proposal to Luke--she kissed him in the finale for the same reason she proposed to him. She realized how much he cares for her and for Rory, and how he would do anything for them. 3. Emily trying to trick Lorelai into continuing Friday-night dinners. This was a nice, quiet touch by the writers, and smartly, it wasn't made into a big deal. 4. The final shot. Same as the pilot and theme montage and a fitting end to a great series. Cons: Not much that I can think of, and I'm really critical of most of what I watch. I didn't like the Christiane Amanpour cameo--it just didn't fit like the Norman Mailer one a few years back. Because it came before anything else in the episode, it seemed tacked-on just to get Rory's idol in the show...minor complaint. Also, I guess I wish this could have been a two-parter so everything could have been paced a little better, but then again, that would probably have made the episode feel different than the rest of the series. Anyway, overall, a very nice conclusion, and while it's sad to think there will never be a new episode of Glimore Girls, maybe there didn't need to be. I initially jumped on the bandwagon for a shortened 8th season, just to tie up all the loose ends, but there aren't really any left...if there were an 8th season, it would be extraneous material, filler really, and we just don't need it. I'm satisfied.
Anyone catch the LOST reference by underscore_only	May 16th, 2007 09:00:52 PM
Two of the officers were named Kitsis and Horowitz, two of the writers from LOST.
Wait Six Years by HornOrSilk	May 17th, 2007 03:42:34 AM
Then do the six years later sequel! What a novel idea. Make it a real time six years later. Call it "VM:6"

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