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Na=mely, how the HELL are two kids going to get outside a HEAVILY quaranteened zone, and why didn't the "so-dangerous we have to kill her" mom have not ONE single gaurd?

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Other that that, I thought it was basically perfect, IMHO.

There were a lot of great things about the film, though. The American sniper was my favorite character. A tragic hero. And the opening segment was beyond horrifying, as well as so many other scenes. It's still a good movie. BUT, as it becomes a "franchise," and becomes more polished, it's obvious that the infectious microbes of studio success are starting to spoil what was a great and original take on this genre of film.

So the world-view behind this movie is: the cruelest, most heartless seeming option always turns out to be the right one. Examples:

1. If the people holed up in that house in the beginning had not opened the door to let the kid in, they wouldn't have gotten attacked by the infected.

2. If the dad HAD gone back for the mom at the beginning, he would himself have gotten infected (and she turned out not to need his help anyway).

3. If, as the military guy suggested, they had just killed the mom instead of keeping her alive in hope of finding a cure, she wouldn't have been able to cause the second outbreak.

4. If the doctor and the soldier who looks like Nathan Filian had done their jobs and slaughtered everybody instead of taking pity on the children and trying to get them to safety (specifically, if the soldier had shot the boy when he had him in his sights) the virus would not have moved beyond England. (The same goes for the guy who played Michael on Lost).

5. And in general, what looked like their one hope against the virus (certain people's immunity to being affected by its symptoms) ended up being what doomed everyone.

Pretty dark world view! The only people who had it right were the Code Red military guys.

So the world-view behind this movie is: the cruelest, most heartless seeming option always turns out to be the right one. Examples:

1. If the people holed up in that house in the beginning had not opened the door to let the kid in, they wouldn't have gotten attacked by the infected.

2. If the dad HAD gone back for the mom at the beginning, he would himself have gotten infected (and she turned out not to need his help anyway).

3. If, as the military guy suggested, they had just killed the mom instead of keeping her alive in hope of finding a cure, she wouldn't have been able to cause the second outbreak.

4. If the doctor and the soldier who looks like Nathan Filian had done their jobs and slaughtered everybody instead of taking pity on the children and trying to get them to safety (specifically, if the soldier had shot the boy when he had him in his sights) the virus would not have moved beyond England. (The same goes for the guy who played Michael on Lost).

5. And in general, what looked like their one hope against the virus (certain people's immunity to being affected by its symptoms) ended up being what doomed everyone.

Pretty dark world view! The only people who had it right were the Code Red military guys.

Problems:

RC gouges his wife's eyes out. I hated that. Not because infected wouldn't necessarily do that but because when Jim did that in the first movie it was one of those great "holy shite" moments in my young film enjoying life and I thought really helped draw the philosophical lines that movie so successfully painted.

That's about it. My only problem.

The rest of the problems people have... c'mon, go make your own movie. That's nothing. Is it annoying that RC keeps popping up? I guess. But it didn't bug me. I wanted to watch him get blown away anyways.

OH, no, a second problem... if they aren't ZOMBIES then why were so many of them that got helicoptered still crawling around and alive? That bugged me a bit... but I digress.

The good: That subway sequence was bad-a! Someone mentioned the night vision. Amen. Just awesome. Loved it.

Also loved the way all the USA haters who wanted to read so much into the flick are so obviously full of shite up to their eyes after the movie that it's not even funny. If things had happened the military's way after the outbreak (their blunders in letting it get to that point not withstanding) the world wouldn't be overrun by the infected, now would it? The ugly choice was the right one. My brother and I kept whispering (very softly, sue me) "they shouldn't do that. They should just kill him. Just kill him. C'mon, just kill her. Kill them both. You have to kill everyone."

Heck... maybe I'm infected. Or maybe I'm Jim.

It was a good movie and reminds me how amazing 28 Days Later really is. One of my all-time favorite movies of any genre.

F you.

But until I hear otherwise she's 19 in my mind. Wowowowowowoowowowoow. More of her on the big screen or the small screen or the computer screen or with me over dinner or... oh nevermind.

lots? none?

Debating whether or not it was "good" or even "great" is a different matter. I think it was very good. It could have been great. That's what's frustrating to me. It could've been one of the all-time greats with a few plot changes that have already been discussed here.

As for "Land of the Dead," I love that movie. Fun, interesting characters, the hot Asia Argento...don't get the hate for that flick.

Were there parts of the movie that WERE dumb? Yes, and I still think the "Carlyle zombie" was a betrayal of what the first film set up re: the virus itself and how it works. I'd like to hear what the writers say about it.

So, yes, logic problems abound, but despite it all, there are some PROFOUNDLY powerful moments in this film, for better or worse, and even with its problems, it is a film that does NOT deserve to be casually tossed on the same scrapheap as junk like "Hills Have Eyes 2" or "The Reaping" or any other such tripe.

Some of your complaints of "logic gaps" are just stupid.

Why WOULDN'T RC be able to get in to see his wife? Why wouldn't he? She was a survivor. She'd been scrubbed down and scanned. Only the one doctor knew she was infected. It makes total sense that in that situation someone might not have the foresight to think that this woman showing ZERO symptoms (and no zombie had ever shown ZERO symptoms) and being completely scrubbed down was a threat. She WASN'T a threat.

No symptoms people. No symptoms. That's not a logic gap at all. She was in the infirmary.

Someone said RC opened doors with his access card as a zombie. I don't remember this at all. Maybe I missed it.

Someone also said they hated all the cheap jump scenes. Loud noise, startling image... BOO! Scare. Um... I'm thinking back and I can't think of one in the whole movie. When the zombie woman showed up at the door there was no noise, just her eyes.

The subway scene in night vision had images flashing back and forth... shadows...

There was always something telling you that something horrible was about to happen. No cheap scares at all. I honestly can't think of one. But I could have missed one... I don't jump easy.

And someone was even pissing and moaning that somehow the infection spread at the end of THIS movie when it couldn't spread after the first... why is this a logic gap or hard to swallow? The way it jumped, with that stupid kid who the sniper should have just offed when he had the chance carrying it over in his immune system... makes perfect logical sense. I like it even. Makes the army general guy seem smarter when he said to "kill them all."

And did someone or someones actually complain about the dark nihilistic tone? Did you think you were buying a ticket to a Strawberry Shortcake and the CareBears crossover cartoon? It's effing 28 Weeks Later! It's about zombies! It's about rage and killing and violence and the end of the effing world. Is there anything that should be MORE nihilistic or however you spell it? C'mon you haters. Step up your game.

That said, I do hate that RC killed his wife with the thumbes to the eyes. I thought that was a cheap riff on the end of 28 Days Later... and the kill in the original setting and circumstances was one of the great cinematic moments I've ever experienced. The most horrific thing I'd ever seen (I don't usually like gore) in a movie but perfectly placed. I thought this film's use of the kill in the different circumstance cheapened it.

And I wish the Hicks guy would have lived. But that's just me.

Now flame on.

I don't know. Seeing the movie again tonight and will try to make more sense of RC's seeming intelligence spike in comparison to the other infected.

He got into the room with the evacuees because he was pounding on the door... remember... first it was slow and faint... then louder... then he saw his boy and BANG he burst through the door. He was pounding on it the whole time, not reaching for a keycard. He forced his way inside.

No logic leap there.