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High Resy Robots Galore!! TRANSFORMERS Images Via Bay's Site!!

First by Grammaton Cleric Binks	May 10th, 2007 09:30:46 AM
Yeah.
Damn You Michael Bay by nemesisdarkside	May 10th, 2007 09:32:07 AM
Meh!
Hell Yeah, I Have a New Screensaver by Grammaton Cleric Binks	May 10th, 2007 09:33:11 AM
These images are awesome, hope the movie is too. TINO haters can keep their mouths shut until they see the movie, then they can spout off.
We need a new generation of designers... by rev_skarekroe	May 10th, 2007 09:33:33 AM
...that don't want to make everything look like overdetailed piles of junk. Simplicity is what makes something iconic. These designs are just way too complex.
Seriously though by nemesisdarkside	May 10th, 2007 09:35:01 AM
The designs are messy...and I'm not even a Transformers fanboy!! "Transformers, Robots in Disguise..."
Didn't Megatron transform into a giant gun? by Owen Meany	May 10th, 2007 09:40:59 AM
And if so, where was Deceptacon that transformed into a giant hand to pull Megatron's trigger? Or were the people who made the Transformers subtly trying to support the NRA attitude of "Deceptacons don't kill people, people kill people."?
THIS T-SHIRT SUMS UP MY FEELINGS (AND PRIME'S) NICELY. by zombiegirl1979	May 10th, 2007 09:41:38 AM
http://tinyurl.com/2humzv
Predictions by nemesisdarkside	May 10th, 2007 09:42:22 AM
"Transformers is gonna rock, frak the haters" "Transformers is gonna suck, Flames, Lips, TINO TINO TINO!!" "God bless Michael Bay" "Damn You Michael Bay" "You can't judge a film til you see it" "I don't need to try crack/beastiality/American Idol to know its bad" P.S. Rev_Skarekroe: I totally agree. Nothing special about them. They kinda look the same. They lack character. There's too much going on. Messy.
Why do they call it TINO? by Jakes Nel	May 10th, 2007 09:43:46 AM
Is it another shitty geek abbreviation of some kind?
July can't come fast enough! by Captain_Super_Robot	May 10th, 2007 09:44:01 AM
That's so cool! I can't wait for the movie!
must have used up all their crayons.... by KillDozer	May 10th, 2007 09:44:55 AM
coloring in Optimus and Bumble Bee. Why the drab look to the rest of the robots? And, like has already been said, these designs are really messy and hard to tell apart. Except Bumble Bee...he's the yellow one with the vagina.
Looks Good.... by Pawprint	May 10th, 2007 09:46:07 AM
All in all, this looks like it could be an entertaining summer film. I'll be watching it.
Man... by Purgatori	May 10th, 2007 09:47:18 AM
License plate jock straps rule!
man i want this to be cool by BLWiseass	May 10th, 2007 09:48:15 AM
and maybe it will, but if these are the final designs, how the hell are supposed to be able to tell the difference between jazz, ironhide, starscream, megatron etc. They're all the same color and they all just look like metal twisted into a humanesque form.
Why oh why... by iamjacksleftball	May 10th, 2007 09:49:05 AM
...does Megatron have sharp teeth?? Other than that they look fucking cool.
Sweet! by Grando	May 10th, 2007 09:53:17 AM
And perfect for cranking out nice high res wallpapers. Thank you Michael Bay!
Kibbles and Bits... by bentmywookie	May 10th, 2007 09:53:58 AM
... and bits and bits and bits. Very cool in a completely non-Transformery way.
DAMN YOU, Tom Rothman!!! by Motoko Kusanagi	May 10th, 2007 09:54:06 AM
PG-13 fucktard
Agreed they're not First Generation, but by Grammaton Cleric Binks	May 10th, 2007 09:54:27 AM
change isn't alway bad, and remember that this is live action not a cartoon. If Bay did cartoon Transformers you guys would be whining about how boxy they are. Just check the movie out, then if you don't like it rant on.
Why oh why... by iamjacksleftball	May 10th, 2007 09:55:59 AM
...does Megatron have sharp teeth?? Other than that they look fucking cool.
Didn't know... by Stale Elvis	May 10th, 2007 09:56:49 AM
...the Bumblebee was a woman. She has a metal 'gina! Well done Michael Bay!!
TINO means... by Pdorwick	May 10th, 2007 10:01:39 AM
..."Transformers In Name Only", I think.
Jazz has a face! by BizarroJerry	May 10th, 2007 10:03:58 AM
He even looks like he used to. Now, why can't anyone else have a face? I mean, don't tell me it'd be too human-looking, because they all have two arms, two legs, a head and ten fingers. They do look somewhat cool, I gotta admit, but I, too, think the designs are too busy. In close-up it's hard to even tell what I'm seeing. But all that said, they can make lotsa changes if they want if the actual movie is a good one. Though I really don't want to see Optimus pissed on.
I'm guessing a lot of these by Colonel_Blimp	May 10th, 2007 10:04:01 AM
aren't fully colored. Right? anybody know?
Starscreams pose is cool by godzillasushi	May 10th, 2007 10:05:01 AM
Blackout and Ironhide are pretty sweet. I'm having more trouble picturing them looking anything like G1 AND looking realistic. These look realistic. Not that robots typically look realistic anyway....but...
Too robot-ey! by gboybama	May 10th, 2007 10:05:55 AM
The action is going to have to be so mind blowingly hardcore to overcome these heinous designs. Shia LeBeef's very existence in the film probably precludes that possibility.
I'm going to get killed for this by erichaislar	May 10th, 2007 10:07:43 AM
but i think they look pretty cool. The flames are still gay. But the designs have grown on me some.
Frenzy is the sexiest beanpole tomboy on the planet! by thepurplelantern	May 10th, 2007 10:13:50 AM
I think he looks pretty damn week.
muthafuckin TINO! by S-Mart shopper	May 10th, 2007 10:16:47 AM
and you all know it!
YES! ARGUE FOR ME NERDS!! by BadMrWonka	May 10th, 2007 10:18:43 AM
we all know Wonka loves a good nerd pissing match...nerdguments are so funny to me I sometimes get a little aroused from laughing so much...
BumbleBee has a plate over his nuts. HAHA. by kinghenryVIII	May 10th, 2007 10:18:50 AM

TINO means... by S-Mart shopper	May 10th, 2007 10:19:53 AM
Bay ass raped a franchise to make a buck. I love that "Walter B" said he'd never work with him again, more actors need to jump on that wagon!
TINO is Transformers In Name Only by Grammaton Cleric Binks	May 10th, 2007 10:20:37 AM
just as GINO is Godzilla In Name Only, referring to the awful Matthew Broderick version. I'll reserve judgment until I see this movie. Mabye it will be great, maybe it will suck, and maybe it will be somewhere in between. Godzilla Final Wars had a great scene where Godzilla fried GINO with this bad breath.
What about the geeks, MrWonka? by S-Mart shopper	May 10th, 2007 10:23:06 AM
nerds are great at math and such shit, not my strong suit really.
I'll take geekversations, too by BadMrWonka	May 10th, 2007 10:27:54 AM
but nerdguments are my bread and butter...
If it's simplicity you want... by aRTCy	May 10th, 2007 10:33:56 AM
then watch the cartoon. In the real world you have alot of complexities with machinery. Ofcourse it's going to look messy and overdetailed. Get used to it.
Thank you, Michael Bay! by JackPumpkinhead	May 10th, 2007 10:43:01 AM
Come on, someone post that. Oh, wait...
In the real world Bay is a piece of shit director by S-Mart shopper	May 10th, 2007 10:45:22 AM
get used to it. Is that simple enough for ya?
Yikes. by singsingjohnny	May 10th, 2007 10:46:34 AM
They don't even look like they have solid forms! Real world complexities or not, those look WAY to detailed. Besides, the original toys could transform from realistic looking vehicles to simplistic robots and THEY existed in the real world. Why does Michael Bay keep getting these HUGE budget movies? Sorry, compared to other movies, his aren't that great, sorry. Pearl Harbor? Armageddon? The Rock? Bad Boys? Good mindless entertainment, sure, but will they stand the test of time or just be forgotten as summer blockbusters? Eh, whatever. He's not getting my $10.
Ok who else gets this feeling by Knightsong	May 10th, 2007 11:06:09 AM
Is it me or do the look like those junkyard sculptures people do? Megatron especially, they all look far too complicated. To me you could have realistic transformations and kept them looking a bit more like Transformers. I just think ILM gets bored and forces themselves to do the most complicated thing possible because it makes them feel cool. I will say that I think Jazz is the best looking of the and that Frenzy looks like an anorexic Johnny 5.
Cool. by Mr. Nice Gaius	May 10th, 2007 11:15:27 AM
Some of these are new. Some of them are not. We've already seen the images for Prime, Bumblebee, Jazz, and Frenzy. However, the shots of Ironhide, Megatron, Starscream, and Blackout are new. And while I find the detail amazing, the poses in these hi-res stills do nothing to help sell the designs to the crybaby G1ers. In comparison, the full CGI shot of Prime from Entertainment Weekly a couple weeks ago was incredible. This one just makes him look awkward and distorted. Regarding Megatron & Starscream - I've got to say, I actually dig Meg's face now. I think it looks great (I still think the Cybertronian body bears little resemblance to the original). Now, Starscream looks leaner and meaner than I thought. He looks like a legitimate threat to Megatron. And Blackout looks really cool - he benefits most from these images. The character bios provided by the screenwriters are a neat little exercise in nostalgia and they definitely reflect the characters as I remember them. Let's hope that characterization is actually portrayed in the final film. I've little doubt that the fully rendered & colored robots will look awesome on the big screen. While I'm sorry the hardcore/G1/TINO crowd feels they aren't getting the movie they all collectively hallucinated, I offer this classic clip as a reminder of the need to move on - http://tinyurl.com/2qgjcp
Where are the Transformers? by photoboy	May 10th, 2007 11:26:15 AM
I went to Bay's shitty site and all I could see were a bunch of generic rubbish looking robot designs. Where are the real Transformers? Fuck you Bay.
I see the server is slowing to a crawl... by photoboy	May 10th, 2007 11:29:42 AM
... as all the TF fans once again see the shear depth of Michael Bay's fucktardery. And WTF have they done to Frenzy? The real Frenzy looked much cooler.
Jazz is by far my favorite of the bunch by Boondock Devil	May 10th, 2007 11:40:08 AM
Shit-eating grin and all.
Compare and contrast. by Spartacus Hughs	May 10th, 2007 11:56:22 AM
Michael Bay's version. http://tinyurl.com/2ce2dh And what the fanboys' want. http://tinyurl.com/ykme6p
Optimus raped? by Spartacus Hughs	May 10th, 2007 12:00:33 PM
http://tinyurl.com/ysg483
Jazz LOOKS LIKE Jazz by Squashua	May 10th, 2007 12:17:50 PM
Which is nice.
Sparticus Hughs is a douchebag by nonsensical	May 10th, 2007 12:20:10 PM
As shown by his shit comparison. Try looking up any number of the fantastic comic book, binal tech/alternators, or masterpiece designs and see how absolutely distant and shitty the work that bay's monkeys have done. This movie isn't Transformers, and fans of the original wanted something that resembled the G1 characters and plot. Unfortunately Bay and his monkeys couldn't handle that. So, what we get is complete and totally ass, like the anus mouth of Bay's Megatron.
You know what... by nonsensical	May 10th, 2007 12:28:08 PM
So many of you bay apologist assholes continue to talk about how Bay will blow you away, and how this is the ultimate transformers that blows anything else that has come before it totally away. Well, it's just too bad that once you get to sit through this shit storm you'll either be one of two people. You will either come out of there saying how badass the action was and how much you loved this pile, or you will come out of there having paid attention to the story and realize that despite the action this was not the transformers. Plus you'll wonder what the fuck was with all the shit about Sam and the girl he wants to screw. Oh and here's a spoiler for all those who like the Jazz design. Don't get too attached to it. He won't be back. Jazz dies. Yup, I said it. So what. I warned your ass with the spoiler bit. Now go back to sucking Bay's dick.
Megatron by The Only Woj	May 10th, 2007 12:33:04 PM
looks way better than the initial concepts. still doesn't look like "Megatron", but he's not so much Megatron in the movie is he? At least that's what I heard; part of why they cast Weaving.
What a Douche Bag!! by Redfive!	May 10th, 2007 12:33:41 PM
Remember kids this isnt about giant Robots,Autobots vs Decepticons,Good vs Evil,its about a boy and his first car...whos trying to get laid by some hot piece of ass who shows her shiny tits thoughout,Now thats Michael Bays Trandformers.
What a Douche Bag!! by Redfive!	May 10th, 2007 12:34:40 PM
Remember kids this isnt about giant Robots,Autobots vs Decepticons,Good vs Evil,its about a boy and his first car...whos trying to get laid by some hot piece of ass who shows her shiny tits thoughout,Now thats Michael Bays Transformers.
Strange... by Veni Vidi Vici	May 10th, 2007 12:35:53 PM
i clicked on the link and all i saw were pictures of scrap metal made to look like robots.
ONIT by Lando Griffin	May 10th, 2007 12:36:52 PM
Only Name In Transformers
Too much detail takes away their personality by Sheeld	May 10th, 2007 12:43:04 PM
Yes I know they're robots, but they all kind of look the same to me now, except for their colors. Not good. Film won't be good either, let's just hope it kicks ass.
ok by lionbiu	May 10th, 2007 12:49:44 PM
I will admit I have defended Transformers from some of you cyber geeks, but I have to admit these designs looks so shitty. Far too much going on...they look a mess. I get how they were designed to get the best movement from the design.....but it still looks dreadful. I probably will still check it out...but my hopes for a decent movie are low.
TINO! by Puddleglum	May 10th, 2007 12:52:20 PM
because that guy who normally does it hasn't shown up yet TINO TINO TINO TINO TINO TINO TINO TINO TINO TINO TINO TINO TINO TINO TINO TINO eh, fuck it. You get the point
Quick lesson for Bay by BRUTICUS	May 10th, 2007 12:56:55 PM
Quick lesson for Bay: http://farm1.static.flickr.com /194/456066482_9e2f89e770_o.jp g http://farm1.static.flickr.com /199/492646757_669b6db37a_o.jp g
GIANT FUCKING ROBOTS !!! by Se7en	May 10th, 2007 12:58:18 PM
I'm so there.
nonsensical by Mr. Nice Gaius	May 10th, 2007 12:58:52 PM
I hate to break this to you but, the movie is called "Transformers", the robots do (for the most part) resemble their G1 namesakes, and folks who are looking forward to this film are not all necessarily "Bay Apologists". As for the plot: I love the gross "It's All About Sam Trying to Get Laid" OVERSIMPLIFICATION you guys keep heaping on this film. It's such a fucking cop-out based on an often misquoted Mikey Bay. Yeah right! As if they're going to forget the stuff about 2 factions of warring robots who take their battle to Earth, befriend a young human named Sam, while all Hell breaks loose. That was the plot of the cartoon, right?
Yeah, what THE HELL is up with Ironhide's legs??? by Puddleglum	May 10th, 2007 12:59:06 PM
I mean, if you can find them in that picture? And a dog is supposed to pee on that? Nice try, Michael Bay.
eh by Magic Rat	May 10th, 2007 01:01:47 PM
they all kinda look the same to me, shouldn't some of them be different colors or something?
Copy and Paste General Grievous by Epictetus	May 10th, 2007 01:03:34 PM
All of these designs look like modified copies of General Grievous from Star Wars. I'm guessing ILM saved a lot of money by just opening up several copies of Grievous and altering the splines to make them into Transformers. These designs look like a bunch of toothpicks glued together. They royally suck.
I HAVE PROOF OF MICHAEL BAY'S IDIOCY!!! HIS QUOTE IS... by Err	May 10th, 2007 01:04:03 PM
[on "Transformers"] Well, it's just, you know, listen, it's like...I didn't want to make the boxy characters, you know? Think about it, 30 feet in the air in the real world, just boxes, you know and it'd just look more fake, you know? And by adding more doo-dads, you know, stuff on the...stuff. Stuff on the robots, more car parts, and...you know you can just make it look more real.
No Gaius, the cartoon plot was about by Puddleglum	May 10th, 2007 01:04:36 PM
blocky alien robots who fight over energy sources and one side beforends a few humans and they all do a dance like Dexy's Midnight Runners in "Come on Eileen". Although I'm not enamored at all by these "new" robot forms, in some ways Bay's film will be an improvement over the original. I hear they will "stomp" to an Aerosmith song somewhere near the climax of the film.
THIS YEAR'S LITTLE MISS VOLTRON!!! by Err	May 10th, 2007 01:06:22 PM
Go!
No Gaius, the cartoon plot was about by Puddleglum	May 10th, 2007 01:06:25 PM
blocky alien robots who fight over energy sources and one side beforends a few humans and they all do a dance like Dexy's Midnight Runners in "Come on Eileen". Although I'm not enamored at all by these "new" robot forms, in some ways Bay's film will be an improvement over the original. I hear they will "stomp" to an Aerosmith song somewhere near the climax of the film.
only one thing holding me back from being... by ckone	May 10th, 2007 01:06:36 PM
completely excitied about this movie. I WANT to be excited, but truly, those damn flames bug the crap out of me. Seeing the detail in these designs actually works for me. I think all prior imagery up to this point was either too shaded so as not to reveal anything, but flames, or too small of a file to let the detail in these designs show up, the prior imagery seemed more mish mashed, THESE look a lot more cohesive, I can see the parts of Truck in Optimus, and I can see transformer like designs in Bumblebee, like the doors flying out behind him...These actually look like autobots to me. So, I am sold, except for the flames... I don't care to read the scripts and or other story elements as I want to see that when I watch the film..but Otherwise, I can't deny how cool these images look, and they do look like really cool transformers...sigh..but Optimus still has flames...I can't understand that one...
No Gaius, the cartoon plot was about by Puddleglum	May 10th, 2007 01:09:28 PM
blocky alien robots who fight over energy sources and one side beforends a few humans and they all do a dance like Dexy's Midnight Runners in "Come on Eileen". Although I'm not enamored at all by these "new" robot forms, in some ways Bay's film will be an improvement over the original. I hear they will "stomp" to an Aerosmith song somewhere near the climax of the film.
RE: "stomp" to an Aerosmith song" by Mr. Nice Gaius	May 10th, 2007 01:15:09 PM
Ha! I somehow doubt that one, Puddleglum. But I'm glad you were passionate enough to post your thoughts 3 times!
damn these AICN servers! by Puddleglum	May 10th, 2007 01:21:42 PM
stupid multiple posts!
they look even worse than before.. by foree forehead	May 10th, 2007 01:32:47 PM
how is that possible.
Bay's Transformers = by Trader Groucho 2	May 10th, 2007 01:33:32 PM
Ang Lee's Hulk
For Bay by BRUTICUS	May 10th, 2007 01:37:48 PM
THe only reason Bay couldn't respect Transformers like say, Ironman looks exactly the same, or SUperman or Batman looks exactly the same on celuloid... but for Bay, Transformers is based on a toy. Thats the only reason why Megatron is a steaming scrap pile and not millions of year old advanced alien species. http://www.flickr.com/photo_zo om.gne?id=492646757&size=o Movie Iron Man looks cool and hes based on a comic, but movie Megatron gets the shaft cause a toy/cartoon/comic line isn't good enough for Bay. WHich is why someone else should have directed. Bay never got it. http://www.flickr.com/photo_zo om.gne?id=456066482&size=o
Okay, listen... by zb.brox	May 10th, 2007 01:42:14 PM
I admit I'm a Transformers geek and I'm not a fan of Bay. But I can put that aside to just look at these designs. They're bad. Really, they are. Some of you really need to get over (as Bay does) the idea that you can see all kinds of metal bits sticking out makes them look "realistic". Think for a second what a car actually looks like. Even if you turn it upside down, open the hood, rip up the floor... You're not gonna see anything like that. Look, here's an example: This is what a car looks like: http://tinyurl.com/yqne6m Here's what a cool killer robot looks like: http://tinyurl.com/288gj7 You see what I'm saying? There's no reason for it to be that big a mess. In the Iron Hide picture, you can't tell the arms form the legs. In the Blackout picture, I had to work to find the head. And most of them are all very similar colors, without strong outlines they're going to be hard to distinguish form one another. I'm not advocating for a total G1 design (though that could look pretty good, if you've seen that fake TF animation test with the white-and-blue Prime...), but these look really awful. I'm open to change, I never bitched about the X-Men's costume changes, or organic webbing, or anything. But these designs are quite literally a mess, and it has nothing to do with "realism" and everything to do with them, well, looking like a mess. And please, we need to stop referring to the business of these designs as "detail". "Detail" is when you can make out the fine points of something, such as when you can see the stitchwork on hand-crafted clothing in Lord of the Rings, or when you can see the environment around th T1000 reflected in his body. These designs don't show "details" they show "unnecessary things added on, or broken into smaller pieces to give an impression of complexity." The "doodads" quote form Bay above is proof enough of that.
The Decepticons look like metal trees by Abominable Snowcone	May 10th, 2007 01:42:21 PM
But Prime and BB look pretty good. Giant fighting robots! Give me some 'splosions! I love you Bruce!
BSB wants to "but" Megatron? by Abominable Snowcone	May 10th, 2007 01:44:31 PM
Hmmm. Too each his own. BSB, you're right though. If a child happens to fall on their toy decepticon, they'll be punctured in about 18 places. Then again, that sounds like fun. Sell those fucking toys!
Organic Web Shooter by jiveslinger	May 10th, 2007 01:54:19 PM
Man, I know I should have my geek license revoked for asking this on a TF talkback, but what is the deal with Spiderman having organic web shooters? Destroy me all you want but someone please answer my question. I see people posting about it all the time but have no idea what they're talking about.
Which looks better? Bay's Ratchet or old Ratchet? by Puddleglum	May 10th, 2007 02:03:02 PM
As bad as some of the new designs are, what kid of the 80's wasn't disappointed with this shitty Hasbro version of Ratchet? http://tinyurl.com/2djyk5 Come on, Hasbro. This was almost as bad as the vagina face on Bay's Megatron.
jiveslinger by Abominable Snowcone	May 10th, 2007 02:05:25 PM
I could be wrong, but I remember reading Raimi (or whoever) wanted to go with the organic webshooters because, unlike the radioactive spider from the comics, the movie Peter Parker is bitten by a genetically modified "superspider." Long story short, they wanted his powers to be more biology based, meaning Peter's DNA was altered and his web-generating ability became an internal, organic thing. Also made for a nice coming-of-age sexual reference they way they did it. Others have said that the shooters and cartridges, as designed by Peter, would not have been as credible as they're presented in the comics. Sure, we can buy that Peter is a genius, but visually and practically, they may not have come off as well. This point is debatable, as you've seen in the TBs, but I think the consensus is that the organic version in the movies played off very nicely. The only thing that isn't addressed is whether there's some sort of hole in his glove for the webs to come out. Clearly, there must be, but we never see it. They also don't explain how Peter's wall-climbing abilities are not hampered by his suit, gloves, or tennis shoes.
addendum to my previous post by Trader Groucho 2	May 10th, 2007 02:13:13 PM
Somehow the last few words were excised. The real intent of my comment was to say that Bay's Transformers becoming this year's Ang Lee's Hulk is Bay's and the studio's nightmare scenario. As for me personally, well, I don't get the Transformers, never did, and doubt I'll be seeing it at the gigaplex.
cool robots by Rupee88	May 10th, 2007 02:13:28 PM
I know the first thing about Transformers history, but those robots look cool.
BB's design by BizarroJerry	May 10th, 2007 02:16:18 PM
Actually, I think Bumblebee's "face" looks similar to his original toy, which had a face more like Optimus, with no mouth, etc. They may have been going for that look.
TFs!! by huggerorange	May 10th, 2007 02:22:34 PM
Awesome designs, these are much better than the originals could be on the big screen... Cant wait to see the new trailer attached to POTC3. i have a feeling transformers will break sp3s box office record...not like it matters to me, i just want to see a kick ass TF movie.
Thanks Abominable by jiveslinger	May 10th, 2007 02:27:36 PM
You went above and beyond. Thanks.
zb.brox by Mr. Nice Gaius	May 10th, 2007 02:28:13 PM
Providing a picture of a Terminator does nothing to make your point. The Terminators do not transform and therefore don't have to account for items not associated with their internal skeletal framework. Take a closer look at the structure of these Transformers. You'll notice that there is no cheating involved. Every item from the alternate mode is accounted for in the robot mode. There is nothing added or taken away. THAT is the realism. THAT is the detail. The amount of detail in Blackout's rotor section alone is enough to qualify as a fine-point or "stichwork". As for the coloring, I think it's rather obvious that these images (though hi-res) aren't exactly as they will appear in the film. Examples? The eye colors, the missing fuel tanks on Optimus's shoulders, the added coloring we've already seen on Starscream during the 2 second piece of footage in the TV spot. If you don't like the designs because they don't match your G1 ideal, that's fine. But to casually ignore the level of detail appearing in these designs is silly.
What kills me is... by Lucasblows	May 10th, 2007 02:38:21 PM
...Michael Bay says he wanted more realistic desiggns. Personally, I feel the G1 designs were more realistic. You can see they used to be cars, planes and what not. That's realistic to me. Not this mess of metal. I don't think more complicated equals more realistic. And, can someone tell me, what the Hell is Frenzy supposed to be anyway?
Why don't they look as good as General Grievous? by Some Dude	May 10th, 2007 02:42:44 PM
Or the battle droids from Episode 3? In these pics, the metal looks a little fakey still.
...this just in... by jimmy rabbitte	May 10th, 2007 02:44:33 PM
Shia La Boeuf to ruin every major release for the next 10 to 15 years. Plus, ILM to digitally add nipples to Indy's fedora.
Frenzy is supposed to be a cassette tape, but by Puddleglum	May 10th, 2007 02:49:07 PM
here I believe it transforms into metallic chop sticks. Hi-yah! Personally, I think a cassette tape that can mysterious change its proportional size from 4 inches tall to 72 inches tall is much better though.
Nice Gaius by photoboy	May 10th, 2007 02:54:44 PM
"the robots do (for the most part) resemble their G1 namesakes" I'm guessing you've never seen a single Transformer in your life then, as these random looking collections of scrap metal bear zero resemblance to the real designs. The only exception is Prime who bears a very slight passing resemblance to the real design, unfortunately this just serves to reinforce how badly they've fucked up his design. And I still can't believe people buy that bullshit about the original designs being too blocky for the big screen, stuff like this: http://tinyurl.com/hhwc6 shows the original designs would have been fine.
Mr. Nice Gaius-- by zb.brox	May 10th, 2007 02:56:59 PM
The Terminator image proves nothing? No. Both a car and a robot have complex parts and details--as both those pictures did--but both can keep them perfectly simple in form and outline. The idea that a car's smooth shapes and simple forms must be broken into jagged shards to turn into something that looks like a robot is false. These robots do not have to look as ridiculous complicated as they do, and that's a fact. Perhaps I didn't make myself clear enough--I am not denying that these are detailed pictures. I am saying that the "bits and pieces" look has nothing to do with detail. Obviously there is detail--the wearing paint on Iron Hide is a good example. That's great. But for all you say that "every piece is accounted for", that does nothing to explain why these robots should look like such a mess--the question is not "where did those pieces go?" it's "where did those pieces come from? I don't doubt that these designs can very effectively transform into vehicles and have every piece accounted for. http://tinyurl.com/gzegy This does the same thing without looking like it's been pounded into shards first. The thing about these designs is that things are broken up into pieces so much that they are largely unrecognizable. Take a look at Bumblebee--Where the hell are all the large, smooth, yellow plates that the Camaro has going for it? They've all been broken into pieces. That is totally unnecessary, and it raises serious design flaws. 1: Outlines are extremely important in design. If you can't tell what something is in silhouette, it's going to be difficult to make it out in general, and particularly as it moves. Look at Iron Hide, Blackout, and Megatron. Imagine their shadows. They're indistinct as all hell. 2: The reason that army fatigues, tigers, and zebras are all spotty and stripy is that humans and other animals see largely through outlines. If you have enough shapes on a form, it blends more and more into its background. That's a problem almost all of these designs have--too many shapes, and too many lines going in contrasting directions. Again, look at Iron Hide--just what the hell is that to the right below his face? Is there one on the other side? Are his legs, bent, or just really short? It's virtually impossible to tell. Similarly, this is why the flame son Optimus (beyond being cheesy) are such a stupid design move--they're yet another form of camouflage. Take a look at Optimus a second. He's one of the simplest designs here, yet as soon as his shoulder passes in front of his knee, I'm not sure where one starts and the other begins. Then look at something more complex, like Blackout--can you honestly tell me you're going to be able to keep track of all that in motion? Don't try and pin me as someone complaining because they don't look like the G! ideal. I really don't care that much. But these are bad designs, they're messy, they're difficult to look at and identify, difficult to tell apart, and they don't create any kind of iconic or distinctive look for people to take away from them. If you think they look cool, great for you. If you're impressed by the artistry of the effects guys, great, I'm sure they worked hard. But the designs themselves are trying way, way too hard.
Whoops by zb.brox	May 10th, 2007 02:59:39 PM
Boy does this board need an edit function.
If they were going to use the Transformers license by veritasses	May 10th, 2007 03:03:10 PM
they shouldn't have exposed all the mechanical "innards". Getting the Bionicle license would've made more sense for a design standpoint. And I'm not against "updating" the classic Transformer designs or anything but I have to say that what they've done for the movie is pretty darn awful. "Frenzy" is just criminal.
How do they transform? by Surround Sound	May 10th, 2007 03:06:28 PM
The big issue for me is how they will transform. So far, Star Scream's body sucks and I agree that these were way over designed. They are supposed to have some kind of a design for their "human shape" as they do for their car shape...all I see here is over-complicated, craziness organic looking robots (except Optimus). I predict a sucky movie.
Mr.Nice.Gaius.... by Pawprint	May 10th, 2007 03:07:42 PM
Thank you for posting the link to the spectacular Original Classic G1 Masterpiece Cartoon, 'The Dam Fight'. Having now seen the incredible quality of the animation (oh, the breath-taking action!), and the phenomenal design of the G1 robots (built by kids for kids?) that look as though they'd have trouble transforming into ANYTHING, I can now compare to Bay's TF clips and admit I was wrong. I mean, who really wants to see incredibly detailed and realised believeable transforming giant robots in a live action film? Not this callsign! Give me a shitty 80's cartoon/toy commercial with sub-par production values any day... It's true what they say; A man who grows up eating shit, thinking it was chocolate, will try and tell you that real chocolate tastes like shit the first time he tastes it.... Actually, I said that. Just now. Works though, I think.
DAMN YOU MICHAEL BAY DOT COM!!!! by Err	May 10th, 2007 03:15:40 PM
Damn you
Pawprint-- by zb.brox	May 10th, 2007 03:24:38 PM
The concept of Transformers has nothing to do with why those designs are so bad.
Is the default transform setting a giant turd? by Darksider	May 10th, 2007 03:31:08 PM
Did anyone ever watch the fucking show before they signed on? "Oh, wait what's this? A giant check? Great! We'll do it! What's a Transformer, again?"
ROBOT PUSSY GALORE (ON OPTIMUS) by Optimus Murphy	May 10th, 2007 03:31:19 PM
Of course in that shot, it appears Prime is bashful about his vagina. Maybe Bay caught him in the shower before he had a chance to shave it. Robots and their less blocky, more realistic meat caves, you know how they can be.
SNAPETRON KILLS OPTIMUS DUMBLEDORE!!!! by Err	May 10th, 2007 03:46:11 PM
I can't believe it!
NO NO NO by BadMrWonka	May 10th, 2007 03:53:10 PM
stop coming to a consensus...you're supposed to be arguing about the endless minutia of the designs and whether or not the film will be amazing or terrible! come on, people! Wonka gotta eat (nerdguments)...
FLAMES ON OPTIMUS = FLAMES ON MICHAEL JACKSON'S HAIR by Err	May 10th, 2007 03:56:18 PM
Fuck you.
Total shit. Hi-Res shit, admittedly. But still shit. by 69DUDE	May 10th, 2007 04:00:02 PM
Hey, Bay. What the fuck does Frenzy transform into? A cutlery set? Oh, and Megatron looks like a fucking Rock-Lord. Except you wouldn't know what one of those is, as you no nothing about the source material of Transformers, nor anything about it's competitors at the time. You are a hack. I really hope you end up having the kind of career Jeannot Szwarc would be envious of.
all you people who hate transformers 2007 by ekocher	May 10th, 2007 04:00:35 PM
are niggers
What the heck!!! by weak sauce	May 10th, 2007 04:06:09 PM
After checking out those images they now only confuse me more than ever. Optimus Flame just doesn't do it, & Yellow Bumble car thingy is weak. I know what they're trying to look like vehicle wise but all the other abominations I haven't a single clue to what they transform into. I'm guessing a lock pick for the skinny robot and maybe a mobile ATM machine for Jazz but the rest look like a mess. Please someone clue me in to what these pieces are supposed to be.
PEOPLE are JUST finding out about the UGLY designs NOW. by GibsonUSA Returns	May 10th, 2007 04:06:10 PM
At work I'm JUST NOW starting to receive emails with the subjust lines "WTF?? LOL!!" and "Look what they did to Prime!!".....with pictures of flaiming Optimus in the email content. The more casual TF are JUST NOW being shocked at the horrible designs, from my experience, and are just now starting to get pissed off at what we knew for months. FLAMES ON OPTIMUS = MILLIONS OF PISSED FANS
IS MICHAEL BAY DENIS DOT COM WEBSITE STILL AVAILABLE by Pound Sand	May 10th, 2007 04:09:30 PM
Hi Res Flames
messi by 69DUDE	May 10th, 2007 04:12:23 PM
I apologise. Your right, even Szwarc has more ability than Bay. Bay would be better off sweeping the floor of the ADR studio on somebody else's real movie.
ekocher is ruining my nerd buzz by BadMrWonka	May 10th, 2007 04:12:35 PM
with his fake racism to get attention. worst kind of moron. funniest part of it is that everyone knows he'll get banned and his posts will be deleted, so no one is even giving him the attention he so desperately wants. pathetic bastard...
TFW2005 - 1000 Plants attacking Autobot City. by GibsonUSA Returns	May 10th, 2007 04:13:40 PM
"In other words, Perceptor, we're outnumbered!" I watched Spiderman 3 with a bunch of friends. That was the first time they mentioned TF. They were like "DID YOU SEE WHAT THE [EFF] THEY DID TO TRANSFORMERS??"...and started going off on Megatrons beak and Optimus having lips and flames. They had the cardboard promotional display for TF outside (as Im sure they had at most theaters near you too), and people were juts laughing at it and pointing at where Prime's mouth is going to be. These are casual fans just discovering the crap.
i can't stop laughing at this picture!! by Boomers_Lips	May 10th, 2007 04:13:59 PM
i wonder who the guy was that came up with that design! what a piece of crap!! http://www.michaelbay.com/imag es/tf/png/frenzy.png
BRING ON THE HI-RES BANG BANG ! by Pound Sand	May 10th, 2007 04:15:25 PM
And when they fight, they fight Bay style.
What's with the one handed push-ups? by kikuchiyoboy	May 10th, 2007 04:15:30 PM
Half of 'em look either cracked out or jock fucktards trying to impress the babes. But hey, I guess life imitates art Mr. Bay. Or that is life imitates a lot of cool shit blowing up while we slow mo around some hotty chick with a fine ass. ,br> Whatever. I'm there.
remember the Spiderman 3 crowd you saw the movie with? by GibsonUSA Returns	May 10th, 2007 04:16:31 PM
Imagine the masses. Can you imagine those people lining up in anticipation for Transformers?? YEAH RIGHT!! F*CK NO!!
HI RES FAT KIDS GOTTA CHEST BUMP by Pound Sand	May 10th, 2007 04:17:12 PM

I JUST GOT OFF THE PHONE WITH THE HELICOPTER DUDE by Pound Sand	May 10th, 2007 04:20:46 PM
True story: He calls me up and says, "thup thup thup thup." I'm like, no effen WAY ! He says, "thup thup THUP." I was sure they were gonna cast Shia LaBeouf for that role, but instead it goes to Jake Lloyd.
Why we all rightfully hate Michael Bay. by 69DUDE	May 10th, 2007 04:27:26 PM
Let's take a moment to examine exactly why we hate this hack - Ok, firstly he has the worst MacGyver mullet in Hollywood. Not only that, he has not earned a shred of the privilege he has of being at the helm of huge budget movies. Not forgetting that he takes this privilege and squanders it by making some of the worst films ever witnessed since the days of Ed Wood. He confuses real style with shots of flags waving or people walking at 500fps, and makes our eyes bleed with an overabundance of sunset filters. His 'films' cater for the lowest kind of ADHD sufferer, not allowing ten seconds to pass without having to shoehorn in an explosion to keep his unlucky audiences awake. He uses huge sums of money to haphazardly create vapid, shallow, superficial and downright insulting movies to anyone with an ounce of intelligence. Then again, anyone with any intelligence would avoid a Michael Bay movie from the outset. On top of all this complete talent vacuum, the guy is a raging cunt. An egotistical, self-obsessed, shouty, screamy, piss-my-pants-if-i -dont-get-my-own-way fucktard. Anyone remember the scene from American Psycho where he fucks the two whores and poses in the mirror at the same time? Well, friends, that was a slice of Michael Bay's life right there. He is so full of pride, that he forgets the first rule of pride. That it comes before a fall. I, and I don't think I'm alone on this, hope he falls hard, fast and for a very long way. Soon.
For a robot, Starscream has impractical knees. by kikuchiyoboy	May 10th, 2007 04:28:02 PM
But hey, this is Hollywood. There's gonna be a couple more "EEEEEs" after that"Err". Transforming seems tiresome.
Hey, has anyone seen the new pictures of Optimus? by The Atomic Worm	May 10th, 2007 04:29:42 PM
It has flames. Looks good.
zb.brox by Mr. Nice Gaius	May 10th, 2007 04:34:15 PM
First of all, the most important thing about your post is how in the world you obtained the Holy Grail known as BOLD TEXT. People have been trying to do that for months and suddenly... BAM you go and post something in bold face type! We must discover this AICN loophole, post-haste!
Pawprint by Mr. Nice Gaius	May 10th, 2007 04:40:56 PM
Glad you enjoyed that vintage clip. Here is another TFers classic that I'm sure everyone will love - http://tinyurl.com/n2974 "Th e Rude Awakening of Optimus Prime". Enjoy.
ekocher by Mr. Nice Gaius	May 10th, 2007 04:43:15 PM
You must want to get banned immediately, eh?
BSB-- by zb.brox	May 10th, 2007 04:45:17 PM
It was a complete accident, I was trying to break. So I assume it's the same as a Break, but wihtout the R. like this
The yellow robot has a licence plate jock by Knobules	May 10th, 2007 04:45:18 PM
probably all goopy from robot dingleberries.
Gues not. by zb.brox	May 10th, 2007 04:47:19 PM
Damn. I've got no idea, then. A AAA>>A
Nothing. by zb.brox	May 10th, 2007 04:48:03 PM
Dang, I can't believe I stumbled on gold and let it slip through my fingers.
LOOKS LIKE ... by ludmir88	May 10th, 2007 04:49:23 PM
EVANGELION THE MOVIE!!!!!! AND WHERE IS BONECRUSHER???
Hang on there... by zb.brox	May 10th, 2007 04:50:01 PM
How about this?
Sigh by zb.brox	May 10th, 2007 04:51:47 PM
Dang. I checked the page source, and it looks like I just suck a space in between the b and the r, but it's not working again. Alas.
One more time! by zb.brox	May 10th, 2007 04:56:16 PM
into vehicles and have every piece accounted for. http://tinyurl.com/gzegy This does the same thing If that didn't work, it's officially a fluke, 'cause I C&Ped from the source.
That's funny by kikuchiyoboy	May 10th, 2007 04:57:39 PM
http://tinyurl.com/n2974Test Just trying to help out.
FRENZY LOOKS GAY... by ludmir88	May 10th, 2007 04:58:28 PM
LIKE ITS NAME...
I DON'T GET IT BUT WHY EVERYBODY... by ludmir88	May 10th, 2007 05:00:46 PM
started to kiss the ass of Bruce Willis last night?? Shame of you people!!!!!
photoboy by Mr. Nice Gaius	May 10th, 2007 05:03:00 PM
Dude, I grew up watching the Transformers everyday after school. I know what the G1 stuff looks like. But you know what? They are not the only source of Transformers canon. How many different incarnations have there been since then (Armada, Cybertron, Beast Wars, HeadMasters)? Take your pick. They all have design faults and shortcomings. Speaking of which, the funniest thing about that Optimus Prime animation test is that it shows just how much of a tin bucket he would be if they stuck with that concept. His chest looks like a hollow bucket and his arms look completely ridiculous. Yeah, I know it LOOKS like the toy and it LOOKS like the cartoon. But there is absolutely no believable mass or strength in that design whatsoever. NOPE, not fine.
God Damn, what's with the new posters all of a sudden? by Doc_Strange	May 10th, 2007 05:06:23 PM
Did you assholes all just register to plug this piece of shit? What, you think you're going to try and convince us that these designs are good? Go fuck yourselves. I think the only ones who need convincing are you guys and the fact that these character designs just look like big twisted metal pieces of shit. Yes, metal pieces of shit. This movie's gonna flop like a motherfucker and there ain't a god damn thing you can do about it.
http://tinyurl.com/3dsct7 That's like a giant Turdicon by kikuchiyoboy	May 10th, 2007 05:13:45 PM

FUCK YOU ERR, YOU GIANT CUNT!!! by monorail77	May 10th, 2007 05:17:30 PM
Not only am I sick to death of your shitty excuses for jokes and your pathetic attempts to get "catchphrases" going, not to mention your general negativity about seemingly everything, but I think you just revealed a major Harry Potter plot point in your shitty, unfunny talkback subject line. And you did it in a fucking Transformers talkback. You are a cunt. I am reading Half-Blood Prince right now to my children and we're all enjoying it, thank you very much. If, at the end of the book, I find out you spoiled it for me, I will personally see to it that you are banned from this site. You stupid fucking ass-hole cunt.
monorail77... by Err	May 10th, 2007 05:24:24 PM
Let me call the whaaaaaambulance, I think we have an emergency.
Yeah, we do have an emergency... by Mr. Nice Gaius	May 10th, 2007 05:28:26 PM
...Err is a multi-post spamming jackass. Call a doctor cause that guy's jokes are dying.
Why are so many in a 3-point stance? Are they linemen? by Big Bad Clone	May 10th, 2007 05:29:33 PM
And Starscream looks like he fell in a wood chipper.
ILM'S animators ... by ludmir88	May 10th, 2007 05:29:34 PM
are working like slaves to get finish this shit. Can you imagine animate this fucking robots piece by piece, damn this people are real nerds. It would be cool to work in that place but it could be painful to the brain. And why Harry has his life in Wikipedia??
Mr. Nice Gaius... by Err	May 10th, 2007 05:30:02 PM
Oh no! I'm a spammer! Wish I really gave a crap.
What's with the million pcs. transformers? by Neil McCauleys Crew	May 10th, 2007 05:32:06 PM
And and Frenzy is some kind of chromed out lincoln log contraption. They really should've tried to somehow create Soundwave with his little minions in tow instead of a helicopter with a detachable bot.
I wish you did too, "Err". by Mr. Nice Gaius	May 10th, 2007 05:32:44 PM
Then maybe you could contribute something worthwhile to AICN. Until then, I guess you'll keep bombing.
i wanna see this... by aegirson	May 10th, 2007 05:34:19 PM
Man, this movie will rock, i dont care what other say, and as everybody else, i'm gonna go see it on opening day.
I think it's funny... by zb.brox	May 10th, 2007 05:35:51 PM
...that every TF talkback floods in, but every time there's an Iron Man talkback, everybody goes "wow, that's cool" once and then it extinguishes itself as people run out of bones to pick.
I hate to say this... by NubtheSquirrel	May 10th, 2007 05:36:26 PM
But all this negativity towards this flick has gotten me pissed to the point that I am just not going to read any more talk backs about this flick. So the robots don't look like they do in the movie. BIG FUCKING DEAL! Sure, I am a Transformers purist but I know when to not worry when Spielberg is behind the scenes with this bad boy. WHo gives a fuck if the robots don't look the way that they do in the cartoon. Bottom line is, Transformers is going to be HUGE FUCKING ROBOTS THROWING DOWN! I hope Michael Bay has the biggest success of his ENTIRE career, not only that but the movie is so fucking amazingly good that not another word will be said against Bay so that everything he fucking touches turns to fucking gold, and then proceeds to find out where all of you haters live and proceed to go to town on all of you, Jay and Silent Bob style. don't bother flaming me back with your stupidity, I am not going to bother reading any of youor responses.
Thank you Gaius by monorail77	May 10th, 2007 05:36:52 PM
Living up to your "nice guy" handle.
NubtheSquirrel-- by zb.brox	May 10th, 2007 05:38:55 PM
Do you feel better now that you've expressed yourself? :)
Err, you're not so much a giant cunt by monorail77	May 10th, 2007 05:39:40 PM
as you are an obvious child. I'm guessing maybe 12 years old; no more than 14. Go to bed, child and let the grown-ups chat, m'kay? Don't forget to brush your teeth.
I don't care what everyone else says.... by supergary452	May 10th, 2007 05:40:28 PM
The robots look awesome, and this movie is gonna be cool. And Michael Bay doesn't suck all that much, even if Bruce Willis says so. -gary
Mr. Nice Gaius... by Err	May 10th, 2007 05:42:29 PM
You're right. I've never contributed anything worthwhile. Nothing! My posts in the Spider-Man talkback about future films, the current film, etc. It's all worthless! I'm just a big, fat phony! I can't believe I'm such a sham! What a world! What a world! If only we could all make blanket statements about everyone. Oh the humanity. Oh the humanity...Oh...oh...oh please.
monorail77... by Err	May 10th, 2007 05:44:50 PM
God, I'd hate to have you as parent with your foul language and your quickness to anger. Since you like to assume, I'll assume that you are a dead beat parent who rigorously beats their children because it helps you to drown out the memories of how pathetic your life really is.
YO SHIA .. by ludmir88	May 10th, 2007 05:47:14 PM
You sucks!!!!!
BadMrWonka by fluffybunnywhiskers	May 10th, 2007 05:49:02 PM
Omgz I love nerd arguments too! High five!
About that ILM comment by kikuchiyoboy	May 10th, 2007 05:49:12 PM
Can you imagine working day and night on one single frame? It must be heart breaking if you're not into the design. I know when I edit something and it feels a little off I get a little disappointed but at least I can go back and rearrange or whatever. It's amazing what these guys do in a short amount of time. But man, how do you deal if your heart is not into it? It's a lot of output without any input.
Err by Mr. Nice Gaius	May 10th, 2007 05:49:41 PM
Fair enough. But I suppose if you were to make these worthwhile posts more often (instead of straffing TBs with catch-phrases and nonsense) you wouldn't seem like such a spamming jackass. Savvy? Right on!
Back at you, Err by monorail77	May 10th, 2007 05:50:01 PM
And I would hate to have you as my child. In fact, if you were my child, I'd rent my clothing and declare you dead to me. By the way, shouldn't you be getting ready for bed, young man? Also, I am not a deadbeat parent and I only deliver the rigorous beatings because its good for them. Builds charater. It hurts me more than it does them, naturally!
monorail77... by Err	May 10th, 2007 05:51:27 PM
so if you have a difficult child, you declare them dead to you? Child protective services loves you.
Those are some serious nads on Bumblee... by monkeytrousers	May 10th, 2007 05:52:34 PM
All you pointless fkwit haters need to just chill the goddamn motherfker out. Most of you are acting like it's actually going to f**k your life up if this movie sucks. Seriously, ya'll (especially Err) are giving me a headache...
They ripped off the ROBOCOP 2 design by IAmLegolas	May 10th, 2007 05:56:07 PM
look: http://tinyurl.com/3b5nku
rent my clothing? by BadMrWonka	May 10th, 2007 06:02:14 PM
I didn't get that part... stop insulting each other over non-nerd related items! the only acceptable reasons to argue and get upset are: michael bay transformer designs people that don't understand why you hate the new look of the transformers people that don't understand why you like the new look of the transformers carrot top why no one else gets it why the movie will rock why the movie will suck shia lebouf
I hate Carrot Top... by Err	May 10th, 2007 06:03:09 PM
Why the hell did he bulk up anyway? Was he getting beat up in comedy clubs?
he looks like a tranny weightlifter by BadMrWonka	May 10th, 2007 06:04:50 PM
as opposed to a red headed comedian weightlifter that's had facelifts before the age of 40...I suppose it's not a huge leap...
ILM : ANIMATORS WITH EXHAUSTED EYES by ludmir88	May 10th, 2007 06:09:13 PM
their paychecks must be well worth the pain. And Jim Cramer's Mad Money should have his own movie!!! or at least a cameo in anything!!!
Man... by TheAllSeeingEye	May 10th, 2007 06:09:53 PM
The number of idiots that these Transformers attract must be record-breaking. I don't know if it's me or not, but everytime there's a new TF story, the talkbacks fill up with users who've never posted in any previous talkback and will, in all likelihood, never post again. Look fellas, we get it, your whole lifes dream has been shattered by Spielberg and Bays unwillingness to bring 30ft high toys to the big screen.
YO SHIA by ludmir88	May 10th, 2007 06:12:01 PM
you sucks again!!!!!
test screening scores blew away armageddon by slappy jones	May 10th, 2007 06:19:41 PM
then it must be good.....
i dont like the pics because they look so fake and .... by wcoop893	May 10th, 2007 06:20:25 PM
out of place compared with the brief shots we have seen of them moving in the movie in the trailer. i wont judge anything though until i see them moving around. and im still very very excited
primes design is perfect and im loving blackout by wcoop893	May 10th, 2007 06:22:09 PM
the others i have no idea until i see the movie, or the NEXT TRAILER COMING ONLINE IN 7 DAYS. im pretty pumped for that
Jim Cramer On Arrested Developement is all I by kikuchiyoboy	May 10th, 2007 06:24:28 PM
could handle. That guy freaks me out. "Let's bump it up to risky" Hee hee.
GibsonUSA Returns and others, by wcoop893	May 10th, 2007 06:27:52 PM
we know that you all think everyone in the world is going to think this movie is retarted because of the designs. your all saying casual fans are laughing at the flames and mouth etc. well you think that all you want, and when this thing makes near 100 mil opening weekend and goes on to do great business, i cant wait to hear you try and tell people who loved it how much it sucked. because i guarentee lots of people are going to like it, based on the action alone. and you are gonna sound like a moron who will be in the minority. unlike here at this site where im in the minority thinking that im going to like it. we will just have to see, but im thinking its going to be a crowd pleaser
Bold Test by CornNut007	May 10th, 2007 06:31:00 PM
Bold? Yes, NO?
Bold Test 2 by CornNut007	May 10th, 2007 06:32:11 PM
How about now?
Bold Test 3 by CornNut007	May 10th, 2007 06:33:37 PM
Bold text. Not bold text.
wcoop893 by photoboy	May 10th, 2007 06:35:20 PM
That's right because being in the minority makes you wrong obviously.
Bold Test 4 by CornNut007	May 10th, 2007 06:40:43 PM
This is one last test.
To quote another Bay movie... by DarthStallion	May 10th, 2007 06:42:23 PM
"Wow...this is a goddamn Greek tragedy."
If this comes out bold, I'd just like to say by photoboy	May 10th, 2007 06:43:10 PM
Damn you Michael Bay
photoboy, i didnt know indivuduals could be wrong about by wcoop893	May 10th, 2007 06:46:09 PM
liking a movie or not. i was basically talking about box office performance and if people were going to like it. i said i think its going to be a crowd pleaser, and that people on this site very well might be wrong when they say that "casual fans" and other such people are going to think this movie is dumb because of design, flames, and a mouth. i never said it will be critically good or anything, although i defiinitly think it will be enjoyable.
Ok ok...i just cant stop by CornNut007	May 10th, 2007 06:46:21 PM
Must figure this out! GIVE ME BOLD
Mr. Nice Gaius... by nonsensical	May 10th, 2007 06:50:05 PM
Seriously? You seriously think that these characters look anything like thier G1 counterparts? The closest that any of them come to looking like their G1 forms are Optimus Prime from the neck up and Jazz from the waist up. Ironhide, Bumblebee, Ratchet, Bonecrusher, Barricade, Brawl, Frenzy, Scorpinok, Starscream, and especially Megatron look nothing like their original forms. Not even close. Sure most of them are different vehicles now, but that's not really an excuse now is it. The fact of the matter is that these are very piss poor designs and that they really don't translate well in motion. There is a very good reason for making them look like their G1 forms or even close to the G1 forms and Bay missed that. Instead he felt that sticking more parts on them would make them look more "real" when in reality as some of you say "GIANT FUCKING ROBOTS FIGHTING" would look more real if they looked reasonable. These forms just don't work, and people are laughing at how bad this is. So far the films of the summer are panning out just as I said in other talkbacks. Spidey or Pirates on top Shrek and Harry Potter behind and Bayformers doing about as good as Superman: Returns. Hell, I bet that Fantastic Four does as well as Bayformers. Especially if Avi Arad and Tim Story pulled their heads out of their collective asses and changed Galactus to the Giant Planet Devouring Man instead of the storm could. If they didn't then the film will suffer. It's simply becoming a fact that films of this nature need to stick to the source material in order to do well and be accepted by audiences. That means not only the look of the characters but the main points and ideas behind characterization, plot, and the original stories. There is an article here about the Iron Man costumes. They look fantastic. Even the treatment of the device on Robert Downey Jr.'s chest looks fantastic as the director appears to stick to the story designs and ideas that made the character great. There is another article here that talks about the Rock playing Captain Marvel in a Shazam! movie. It mentions him as Black Adam and in all honesty who ever is in charge of casting should realize that he is perfect for that role. The only issue would be finding the perfect person to play Captain Marvel so that the Rock doesn't steal the show. There are a number of decisions made by hollywood that will either help create a resurgence in great comic book films or send them spiralling into the void of crap that westerns have seemed to vanish into. Personally I'd love to see them get better and better, but those who are in charge need to think about what they are doing first.
Ok...i am spent by CornNut007	May 10th, 2007 06:52:28 PM
No more bold tests. It CAN be done aparently (I am looking at you, zb.brox) In regards to Transformers, i have come to terms that this isn't goint to be a true Transformers movie. But I think it will be pretty awesome, none the less. High production values and crazy special effects. Bring on the goodness! mmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmm bold?
Answering the bold issue... by nonsensical	May 10th, 2007 06:52:59 PM
Given that HTML tags are in effect this should be bold. While this should not.
Last time! by CornNut007	May 10th, 2007 06:53:15 PM
mmmmmmmmmmmmm Bold!
Goodnight everyone! by CornNut007	May 10th, 2007 06:53:58 PM
CornNut007 out!
Well, I'll be damned... by nonsensical	May 10th, 2007 06:54:39 PM
It appears that the HTML tags don't work... except for the paragraph breaks.
none of us have seen them in motion yet and the one scr by wcoop893	May 10th, 2007 06:55:42 PM
screenshot that we have seen with prime and i think bonecrusher looks completely amazing. like i said, im thinking these designs might translate well from these dumb pictures into a real world setting, but noone of us really know yet. maybe thursdays trailer will show a liuttle?
Meh, meh and double meh... by Paul T. Ryan	May 10th, 2007 06:57:48 PM
It's Michael Bay, hence I really can't muster any excitement.
wcoop893... by nonsensical	May 10th, 2007 07:07:06 PM
You should go to the sector seven site and look at the three trailers that are there. Also check out the Yahoo! Movies site and look at the latest trailers. They have been showing a lot of Transformer fights and characters in motion.
I'm going to wait to see how the PUSSY ON OPTIMUS... by Optimus Murphy	May 10th, 2007 07:12:27 PM
...looks in motion before I render a verdict on TINO. You just have to see a giant robotic vagina in a real world setting, especially when it's less blocky and more realistic. P.S. Maybe the PUSSY ON OPTIMUS doesn't have a silhouette because those are obsolete on Cybertron. Maybe it's a stealth feature, haters, ever think of that? Bay us updating the franchise, this isn't the 80's anymore where the outline of a gaping bot-slot can give away what it really is. You say too busy, I say the PUSSY ON OPTIMUS is too advanced for summer 2007. Take a long look at Prime's pearl-less oyster, cause that's the future haters!!!!
AWESOME by Logan_1973	May 10th, 2007 07:19:07 PM
The new designs look incredible. Seeing them on film w/movement will really bring things to life. All you tools need to get over the blocky-tonka look the cartoons/toys had.
no one's seem them in motion? by Bouncy X	May 10th, 2007 07:50:48 PM
what about the trailer and tv spots? sure its very quick glimpses but still
if this film is all about selling toys.... by ilander66	May 10th, 2007 07:54:40 PM
how the hell are they going to make toys that look like those pictures? an 8 inch plastic figure of any of those could end up looking a mess plus they would lose loads of detail and have to have all their spiky bits taken off them so that kids didnt poke their eyes out with one of starscreams hand talon things.
we havent really seen anything yet as far as i can tell by wcoop893	May 10th, 2007 07:55:19 PM
the quick glimpses are good if anything, i dont know what youre complainging about. trailers so far look amazing, i just mean we havent seen even 2 seconds in a row of robots moving, except for a foot which looked great
HATERS by TIMtationX	May 10th, 2007 07:59:46 PM
All of you.
As long as it doesn´t have Prime dancing... by silverdog	May 10th, 2007 08:03:20 PM
or Megatron singing, I´m cool with it. I already had my "movie-disappointment of the year" last week...... it can´t be worse than spider-emo 3.
or megatron playing jazz piano.. by ilander66	May 10th, 2007 08:12:23 PM
you just know that they will try and have a bit of robot humour which could actually be funny but i think the chances of that are slim indeed. remember there have been reports of a dog peeing on optimus...oh the hilarity.......
Emo Spider-Man >>>>> dog peeing on Iron Hide by zb.brox	May 10th, 2007 08:13:23 PM
Seriously.
These pictures look fucking great! by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz	May 10th, 2007 08:20:31 PM
Truly cannot wait to see this!
What! They look fucking great! by mr. brownstone	May 10th, 2007 08:21:01 PM
What Mr.Nice Gaius said is right on the money. These look like bad ass contemporary manga robots and that is a very good thing in my book.
AllPowerfulWizardOfOz by mr. brownstone	May 10th, 2007 08:22:55 PM
trippy.
Optimus Prime also has a funny little mouth by Gozu	May 10th, 2007 08:23:07 PM
And plays jazz piano in the movie before hitting Mary Jane in the face.
I have a question. by Mr. Nice Gaius	May 10th, 2007 08:27:35 PM
Which one of you is "Conceptron"?
Maybe in the R rated version... by ilander66	May 10th, 2007 08:31:12 PM
Optimus could light up a cigarette and swear a bit more.......yippy kai ay megatronfucker....
Ironhide by Mr. Nice Gaius	May 10th, 2007 08:31:21 PM
Maybe this will help those of you having trouble making out his legs... http://tinyurl.com/2 tj4dp
Anatomy of a Bayformer (TM) by jegoing74	May 10th, 2007 08:32:37 PM
Looking at the designs of Bayformers I notice flaws in the design. Some of the robots have only four segmented fingers and some of the robots have no mouths i.e. bumblebee, ratchet etc. Yet if you look at Flamimus Prime bay gave the character a mouth and in the cartoon he had no mouth. They Should rename this movie iconsistentformers.
This is just nitpicky-- by zb.brox	May 10th, 2007 08:35:36 PM
--I'm not saying this makes the design suck or anything, but does anyone else think Iron Hide's hands look really stupid? I mean, they'd be fine with a different design, but they're just weirdly hand-looking, like they took a piece from C3P0 and stuck it on this big junky monstrosity, y'know? It's weird that they gave him real-looking hands when everything else is just made out of jagged slabs of metal.
Good heavens... by Mr. Nice Gaius	May 10th, 2007 08:38:00 PM
...whatever will we do if some of the robots only have "four segmented fingers" or no mouths? And wait...Prime is going to have a mouth AND a battlemask? Insane!!!
More than 2 seconds... by nonsensical	May 10th, 2007 08:45:34 PM
Way more... you just have to look, and I think it's funny as hell that if you look at Ironhide's robot form you see all the scratches and shit on his body and then look at his vehicle form and he's basically brand spanking new. Lame.
Bumblebee has license plate pubes... by Dataset	May 10th, 2007 08:46:50 PM
...and a unit that puts the Surfer to shame
Hey nonsensical... by Mr. Nice Gaius	May 10th, 2007 08:51:46 PM
That is an interesting point. But did you ever stop to consider that the robots might get a little beat up as the movie goes along? Or maybe (like in the G1 cartoon) they pour that magic liquid on their damage that makes them all shiny and new!!!
TomBodet by Mr. Nice Gaius	May 10th, 2007 08:52:26 PM
You crazy bastard. What's new?
yeah, by nonsensical	May 10th, 2007 09:05:03 PM
Except that in every single image of him he has the "battle damage". In robot form. Even in the trailers. As limited as he appears there.
Omega Supreme by tygrus2000	May 10th, 2007 09:15:05 PM
if you are in this movie, please kick Micheal Bay square in the balls. thx
forget bold. this is the new hotness. by BadMrWonka	May 10th, 2007 09:15:06 PM
and you know this.
dammit! by BadMrWonka	May 10th, 2007 09:15:59 PM
I blame Bay for my typos...
That is hot BadMrWonka. by Mr. Nice Gaius	May 10th, 2007 09:18:17 PM

wcoop893 - WHO'S going to go watch this thing? by GibsonUSA Returns	May 10th, 2007 09:21:41 PM
Can you imagine the masses that watched Spiderman and Pirates 2 piling up in line for TRANSFORMERS?? No way!! The concept of a live action Transformers is cheesy enough, but add to that characters that look NOTHING like their TV counterparts, and you have alienated just about everyone. I saw the movie trailer in front of two movies and both crowds laughed their asses off at it. The cardboard standup gets laughed as as people pass by, especially Megatron's face. Visually, this looks to be a joke. Do you truly expect Spiderman 2 level of acceptance on this flaming mess?
BOLD REPOST by zb.brox	May 10th, 2007 09:24:03 PM
The Terminator image proves nothing? No. Both a car and a robot have complex parts and details--as both those pictures did--but both can keep them perfectly simple in form and outline. The idea that a car's smooth shapes and simple forms must be broken into jagged shards to turn into something that looks like a robot is false. These robots do not have to look as ridiculous complicated as they do, and that's a fact. Perhaps I didn't make myself clear enough--I am not denying that these are detailed pictures. I am saying that the "bits and pieces" look has nothing to do with detail. Obviously there is detail--the wearing paint on Iron Hide is a good example. That's great. But for all you say that "every piece is accounted for", that does nothing to explain why these robots should look like such a mess--the question is not "where did those pieces go?" it's "where did those pieces come from? I don't doubt that these designs can very effectively transform into vehicles and have every piece accounted for. http://tinyurl.com/gzegy This does the same thing without looking like it's been pounded into shards first. The thing about these designs is that things are broken up into pieces so much that they are largely unrecognizable. Take a look at Bumblebee--Where the hell are all the large, smooth, yellow plates that the Camaro has going for it? They've all been broken into pieces. That is totally unnecessary, and it raises serious design flaws. 1: Outlines are extremely important in design. If you can't tell what something is in silhouette, it's going to be difficult to make it out in general, and particularly as it moves. Look at Iron Hide, Blackout, and Megatron. Imagine their shadows. They're indistinct as all hell. 2: The reason that army fatigues, tigers, and zebras are all spotty and stripy is that humans and other animals see largely through outlines. If you have enough shapes on a form, it blends more and more into its background. That's a problem almost all of these designs have--too many shapes, and too many lines going in contrasting directions. Again, look at Iron Hide--just what the hell is that to the right below his face? Is there one on the other side? Are his legs, bent, or just really short? It's virtually impossible to tell. Similarly, this is why the flame son Optimus (beyond being cheesy) are such a stupid design move--they're yet another form of camouflage. Take a look at Optimus a second. He's one of the simplest designs here, yet as soon as his shoulder passes in front of his knee, I'm not sure where one starts and the other begins. Then look at something more complex, like Blackout--can you honestly tell me you're going to be able to keep track of all that in motion? Don't try and pin me as someone complaining because they don't look like the G! ideal. I really don't care that much. But these are bad designs, they're messy, they're difficult to look at and identify, difficult to tell apart, and they don't create any kind of iconic or distinctive look for people to take away from them. If you think they look cool, great for you. If you're impressed by the artistry of the effects guys, great, I'm sure they worked hard. But the designs themselves are trying way, way too hard.
....Alas by zb.brox	May 10th, 2007 09:25:46 PM
The loophole is closed. According to the source file, that's exactly what I wrote before. t must've been a fluke.
bringingsexy back and GibsonUSA Returns by wcoop893	May 10th, 2007 09:31:27 PM
first of all, as ridiculous as it sounds, shia is popular with teen girls. teen know him. disturbia was actually kind of good. whatever. but gibson you said that the idea of live action was cheesy enough, AND THEN THEY CHANGED THE DESIGNS WHICH MADE IT WORSE. i completely disagree, sure the concept could be considered silly, for sure. but thanks to bays vision, its going to be more realistic and if people can buy into spiderman among other things, people will have no idea watching this movie. MEGAN FOX IS HOT AS HELL. people laugh at the posteR? honestly i dont beleive you, but whatever. and i have the complete oposite experince as far as the trailer goes, everyone who sees it seems to be pretty freaking interested. its going to be a big action movie that WILL make money for sure. only time and advertising will tell how much, but ads are good so far i think. we will talk when it opens, but im pretty freaking sure its going to do huge business, so i dont know what people you are getting such negative reactions from. only people here on AICN are bitching their asses off. everyone else can just accept the changes for the better, or whatever the fuck you complain about, and are getting ready for a movie with nice cars, big robots, and tons of action. sounds good to me
Anyone else think that Ironhide... by Freefinger	May 10th, 2007 09:35:19 PM
...Looks more like Megatron, than Megatron looks like himself? I mean Bay went all out with the FX team, but at least get the characters half right. Megatron has the big gun on his arm. And waht the hell is that Frenzy shit? Looks like a Decepticon screaned a box of thoothpicks! And Starscream just looks .. bleah! Could've at least kept the wings on the arms instead of looking like a big pile of a scrapyard reject. Bay better blow our minds away with this one, because paying to see a big screen version of Bionicle is not what I think of when I see "Transformers" on the big screen.
Kurzinski Valentine by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 10th, 2007 09:47:53 PM
I guess GarthImus crashed the last TINO TB???? Sour after reading that "script" are you? We warned you, but you had to experience it for yourself, now didn't you? These designs just don't resonate for me. Static. Too much detail/intricacies. I simply marvel at all the time and energy spent on these designs - sigh. Simple is better. I expected, nay, desired updated designs. Fail. This bold conquest is cracking me up. Good luck guys.
MINO by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 10th, 2007 09:50:13 PM
Where's the storied arm cannon? I thought they were sneaking it in due to demand......
Mr. Nice Gaius by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 10th, 2007 09:52:55 PM
Glad you're still kicking about. For some stupid reason, for which I cannot recall, I was afraid you got banned. Glad I was wrong. Looking forward to your thoughts once this film hits the 'plexes. Be well brother. And cheers!
GINO by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 10th, 2007 10:01:49 PM
I loved the design of the lizard and enjoyed the scenes with him/her/it when on screen. Other than that, well, I think we all know the general consensus. I was there on opening day. Took a half day to catch the first showing. Everyone, and I mean, EVERYONE left quietly after the film was over. The vibe was not a one of elation, or whatever. One of the worst movies I have ever seen. Seriously. Well, I see your point. I have issue with the script/story/direction. The designs come in after that for me, but they are important, to me. I won't see this, so I will enjoy what those of you who do see it have to say about it. Good luck guys. Steer clear of the chest bumping tubbies.....
Named by LordMaker	May 10th, 2007 10:03:35 PM
I had hopes for this film, but I thing your right. The script was terrible. I can see when they were putting this together they thought this would be a good idea. Megatron frozen and all that, but this is looking bad. The film-makers have talked about us not seeing anything like this before. I think the great thing about CGI, the only great thing, is that it takes away the ability for a film-maker to hide behind great effects.
Bold by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 10th, 2007 10:03:46 PM
bold
LordMaker by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 10th, 2007 10:07:33 PM
You are correct sir/madam I couldn't agree more. Box office, SFX and loud, obnoxious sound does not make for a fine film. Others would disagree.....
bold italic by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 10th, 2007 10:09:18 PM
bold italic
Needlessly padding TB for the glory of by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 10th, 2007 10:11:55 PM
who can discover BOLD
ok you are right to many its a joke, but thats why.... by wcoop893	May 10th, 2007 10:12:44 PM
bay is essential. from my experience, first of all people cant even tell designs from the trailers. thats not my point though. people think the concept is a joke, and it does sound ridiculous, only because they are toy cartoons, not because of the design. and why do you think the trailer was so dark and serious? to let people know its not a joke and its not just for kids and its not all about toys. bay can make it a real action movie, and not a joke. but youre right, the advertising will be tricky because many people will just see it as a joke-because the concept of a live action transformers movie is funny. but i think bay can pull it off in all kinds of kickass gloriousness. thats what im thinking, and everyone i know and have been around arent taking it as a joke, but i guess lots of people are. we will see
another version by LordMaker	May 10th, 2007 10:13:33 PM
I, like many others have recently rekindled my love affair with G1 because of the great interest for it out their in the internet. Obviously it touched a lot of people. I was amazed that so many out their had an appreciation for G1. That is why I belive that after this monstrosity has come and gone, we will get the G1 film that we so badly want, with the seekers, Ark crashing 4 million years ago and all that stuff.
we've missed you murphy by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 10th, 2007 10:14:09 PM
how's your R&R going? What IP are you planning on fucking up next? WE3? G.I. Joe? Transmetropolitan? Do tell.....
HeWhoCannotBeNamed by Mr. Nice Gaius	May 10th, 2007 10:15:05 PM
Thanks bud, I appreciate it. (Banned? Me? Never!) I will definitely give the skinny on the ol' Transformers when it hits the silver screen. Good or bad.
Oh hey, look who showed up to play! by Mr. Nice Gaius	May 10th, 2007 10:16:32 PM
Stillbornscott The PGoddPrime. How goes it in the Land of Douchebaggery?
LordMaker by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 10th, 2007 10:18:18 PM
Many of us would have loved to see that version
strong by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 10th, 2007 10:26:35 PM
strong This is ifuriating!
bold eh? by Johnno	May 10th, 2007 10:27:52 PM
hmmm
bold eh? by Johnno	May 10th, 2007 10:28:03 PM
hmmm
Stillbornscott The PCOWARDGoddPrime by Mr. Nice Gaius	May 10th, 2007 10:28:49 PM
Nice post. What's the matter? Can't hang with the big boys at AICN?
test by Johnno	May 10th, 2007 10:29:03 PM
yes?
okay by Johnno	May 10th, 2007 10:31:05 PM
Got to try this
Murphy by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 10th, 2007 10:32:10 PM
Why keep coming back here? We all know you'll be laughing come payday, still missing the point. Money is all that matters to you. This is not breaking news. I'm not even going to acknowledge that tripe you C&P'd. Not taking the bait......
Ah I give up... by Johnno	May 10th, 2007 10:33:09 PM

The Quest for Bold by Mr. Nice Gaius	May 10th, 2007 10:33:39 PM
BOLD?
BSB by zb.brox	May 10th, 2007 10:36:04 PM
I'm tellin ya, it was a fluke. I checked out what I wrote, the source showed it, I reposted it... and nothing. It's a tease, nothing more.
You're right, PharteCoward. I'm not big. by Mr. Nice Gaius	May 10th, 2007 10:36:15 PM
I'm HUGE. I'm gonna go ahead and start the countdown for your bannishment. OK? Cool! 5...4...3...
maybe... by Johnno	May 10th, 2007 10:36:43 PM
now?
BSB by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 10th, 2007 10:37:34 PM
I know nothing of HTML. I simply googled HTML functions and have been trying them. Perhaps it was a fluke and AICN has it disabled? Can that be done? Someone's bound to discover it. Murphy, do you miss your sycophants? Are they "massaging" you as you type with your dialing wand?
ah... by Johnno	May 10th, 2007 10:38:04 PM
damn
And that's just it PharteCoward... by Mr. Nice Gaius	May 10th, 2007 10:38:08 PM
...I will be there. I'm hoping for a good film. However, that has nothing to do with my loathing contempt of the miserable Troll that is you. Savvy?
Murphy, did you ever looke at Pat Lee's by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 10th, 2007 10:39:11 PM
work on TFers whilst at DreamWave? What was wrong with those? Please, enlighten us...
I count just fine. I'm glad you're counting with me. by Mr. Nice Gaius	May 10th, 2007 10:43:30 PM
And my bad, sorry for the extra "n". Let's reuse it in a new sentence, shall we? How about: "I can't wait for PharteCoward to be BANNED again".
abra by Johnno	May 10th, 2007 10:44:06 PM
cadabra
sigh... by Johnno	May 10th, 2007 10:45:55 PM
c'mon...
BTW: Methinks the search for BOLD... by Mr. Nice Gaius	May 10th, 2007 10:46:16 PM
...is a fool's search. It appears to have been nothing more than a breach in the AICN space/time continuum. It was a glitch in the matrix. Nothing more. (sigh)
The point of filmmaking is simply to make money by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 10th, 2007 10:46:17 PM
In your world. I believe filmmaking should still be considered an artform. It isn't anymore, clearly, but I still believe such. Once in a great while, a film comes along (Children of Men would be one example) that reignites my belief. Enjoy your mounds of cash.
Stillbornscott The PGoddPrime re: sequels by LordMaker	May 10th, 2007 10:46:33 PM
The days of pumping out sequels without meaning has come and gone. I personally happened around 97, with the nightmare of Batman and Robin. Apparantely there will be a sequel to this film. I guess we won't get to see Devestator in that. Damn! I would have loved to have seen a Constructicon vs. Dinobot fight. I guess in this life you can't get everything.
C'mon by Johnno	May 10th, 2007 10:47:09 PM
bold damn you! grrrr
HeWhoCannotBeNamed, when i say make money i also am thi by wcoop893	May 10th, 2007 10:50:20 PM
thinking that that means people will like it. something like armageddon maybe. i dont expect critics to like it, but a money making crowd pleaser. oh, and hell no i dont expect or want art out of a michael bay transformers movie. well maybe some stunning action scenes, but apparently amazing action like bay delivers consistently cant be considered art. whatever.
what's with all the testing? by S-Mart shopper	May 10th, 2007 10:50:51 PM
for reals
PharteCoward by Mr. Nice Gaius	May 10th, 2007 10:51:21 PM
So, which one is it? Fwiffo? JesterJJZ? FreakNasty? Why would you troll over hear when Murphy specifically requested that you do not?
There's something here... by Johnno	May 10th, 2007 10:53:32 PM
If I apply a /b tag in front of text in frontpage the bold disappears but only up to the next br tag... http://tinyurl.com/gzegyTh is does the same thing without looking like it's been
I thought you were Murphy by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 10th, 2007 10:54:16 PM
Matters not. Just one of his sycophants/apologists. Besides the fact that the clueless, dullard masses will line up to see this, care to discuss the merits of the film itself? What is appealing about this film to you? The story? The robots? The director? The 12 action set pieces? Big Robots Blowing Shit up? Megan Fox? Seriously, what attracts you to this project? And what are some of your favorite films? Why? Let's discuss and not trade limp insults, shall we? Mr. Nice Gaius and I have differing views and yet we can still converse - cordially. Granted we both love scotch, but still...
it exists between the tiny url by Johnno	May 10th, 2007 10:56:56 PM
and this
damn BSB, whats with the paragraphs by S-Mart shopper	May 10th, 2007 10:59:30 PM
you feeling OK?
singled it down to the br by Johnno	May 10th, 2007 11:00:29 PM
between tiny url and this hmmm
HeWhoCannotBeNamed by Mr. Nice Gaius	May 10th, 2007 11:04:52 PM
I wouldn't worry about trying to reason with ol' Pharte. He is just a Troll (in the oldschool sense) who strafes the Transformers TBs and takes potshots at Harry whenever he can. Everytime he sticks his neck out, he gets banned. "Bite a Peach" indeed!
well I'm heading to bed by Johnno	May 10th, 2007 11:05:16 PM
g'night testtestZzzzzz
wcoop893 by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 10th, 2007 11:11:30 PM
I understand. We simply have different viewpoints/opinion/preferences on what is art. It is what it is. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. My father is a perfect example. He shakes his head at the films I love and I shake my head at the films he loves. Very seldom can we meet half way, so to speak. I am passionate about the potentiality of the Transformers property and have enjoyed many of its iterations. I just don't like anything I have seen or read concerning TF2007. I expected much more and much more could have been done with this project. They took a myriad of the wrong liberties. Whine, whine, whine, I know. This could have been a HUGE sci-fi event (critically), and yet it will be mediocre in that aspect. Sure it has wonderful SFX and Giant Robots, but where's the story? Anyway, thanks for reading. Hope the movie delivers for/by your standards. I mean that. I am not trying to be a dick. Be well.
I fell into an AICN wormhole a few months back by S-Mart shopper	May 10th, 2007 11:17:20 PM
after I hit "Post comment" I got an edit screen(I believe this has happened to others)I didn't know what was goin on so I hit "post/ok" or whatever it was, haven't seen it since.
messi by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 10th, 2007 11:17:48 PM
That film owns me, for lack of a better phrase. It truly does. I haven't been impacted by a film like that in a long while. Children of FUCKING Men indeed. Indeed.
BSB by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 10th, 2007 11:27:39 PM
you sexy bastard!
CoM being overlooked pisses me off by S-Mart shopper	May 10th, 2007 11:32:16 PM
but every year great films are always overlooked...just the way it goes. I can honestly say that if it weren't for IFC over the years and AICN for the past year, I would have missed out on some fantastic films. Of course in the end it comes down to personal opinion and taste but WTF ever, you hear what I'm playin.
messi by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 10th, 2007 11:34:29 PM
The direction was brilliant. Bay should take note. Ha! I too knew little about it. I was simply drawn by Clive Owen, Julianne Moore and Cuaron. I honestly thought the premise was a little eye-rolling inducing. I never read the book. Boy how I was wrong - and delightfully so. The battle scene did come out of proverbial left field and was so very powerful on all levels and in all facets. The car scene was particularly impressive. Gods, that movie is just too tight. The epitome of tightness. I'll buy any and all double-dips that get released. Love that film. Worthy of the Blade Runner comparison/likening. Be well, fellow Children of FUCKING Men admirer.
S-Mart shopper by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 10th, 2007 11:42:35 PM
I hear you bro'. AICN & IFC have clued me in to some truly great films. The fact that CoM got overlooked is expected. You know this. Still sucks though. Cauron should have been celebrated for his masterpiece, and Scorsese got an Oscar for ripping off and remaking a fine film that didn't need to be remade. Why? rhetorical.... Oh, and on topic, the designs still suck. Iconic? Nope.
watch your back BSB by S-Mart shopper	May 11th, 2007 12:00:31 AM
the AICN Mod hit squad is gonna arrange a personal meeting for you with Hoffa!
I don't see a damn thing BOLDED by thebearovingian	May 11th, 2007 12:08:49 AM
I'm using Firefox (Linux).
like I said Sylar, it comes down to personal taste by S-Mart shopper	May 11th, 2007 12:23:58 AM
a good friend of mine, who geeks out with me about ArmyOfDarkness & Starwars shit, said he didn't get it...and my uncle, who's been going to movies with me on sundays for the last 10+ years, said it was too political...different strokes is all. I loved the Departed recommend it without doubt but Children was technically and directorially superior,IMO. Also, I think Black Snake Moan got the shaft by EVERYONE, I'm still looking for the soundtrack.
So, Michael Bay reads this stuff, too??? by Doctor_Sin	May 11th, 2007 12:44:05 AM
"Hello dere."
Bumblebee is pitching a tent by Doctor_Sin	May 11th, 2007 01:11:40 AM
Must be checking out some fembots.
I think they look cool, a bit messy but cool by bongo123	May 11th, 2007 02:12:41 AM
and certainly better than those stupid G1 designs which wouldve looked crap. Granted they couldve made each of the others a bit more regonisable from each other but all in all i cant fucking wait to see these things transform and blow shit up... So far so good Mr Bay, you got one fan here amongst these nerdy fucktards who thinks you can direct a summer blockbuster
Damn you, damners of Michael Bay by Franklin T Marmoset	May 11th, 2007 02:58:44 AM
I enjoyed his blog. It's the world's biggest internet spat! Michael Bay Vs. Bruce Willis. My money is on Bruce, obviously.
P.S. re: Transformabots by Franklin T Marmoset	May 11th, 2007 02:59:59 AM
My favourite is the one who looks like Johnny 5 on atkins.
@Pound Sand by TimMighty	May 11th, 2007 03:16:42 AM
I laughed. Superman : the rise of Kumar ....youll see.
Not a big fan of the by a rolling stone	May 11th, 2007 03:18:14 AM
Not a big fan of the director, but I'm a fan of the concept. I want my Thundercats live, I want my GI Joe live, I want my He-Man live, and I want my Transformers live! The Flintstones should've stayed animated.
Who Will See This Movie... by Pawprint	May 11th, 2007 03:22:26 AM
It seems to me that certain people are labouring under the misapprehension that anyone who was alive in the 80's actually gives a fuck about the TF toy commercial cartoon, and the fantastically deep and meaningful - almost Shakespearean - story and mythology that fans would have us believe exists. WRONG. Those of you who think 'EVERYONE' KNOWS they don't look like G1 TF's so will therefore not watch the film couldn't be wrongererer. This film IS NOT aimed at anal retentive G1 diehard fans; you may get the odd bone thrown your way (Prime's voice) etc, but this film isn't for you - get over it. Your average 9 - 12 year-old boy doesn't give a shit about your gay 80's-style cartoon; he'll be eating up the new live-action TF's with a spoon. He'll want to see it twice, at least, and each time he'll have to take a parent with him, thus increasing this film's take. Better get used to the idea of a sequel too... Other people wishing to see this are people like me, who also couldn't give a rat's arse about poorly animated childhood toy commercials - we just want to see the giant robots cut loose and smash the fucking place up. Christ, my friend's wife (23 years old) who wouldn't know a TF if you arse-fucked her with one is well excited to see this film. You were never going to see G1 TF's on screen in a live action film, because frankly the designs were made for a kid's cartoon on a shoestring budget, and frankly look like dog-toffee. At least these new designs look like they could convincingly tranform into vehicles, etc. The cartoon designs - much like the toys they advertised - look like they'd fucking snap to bits if they tried to transform into ANYTHING.
Ah, Messi... by Pawprint	May 11th, 2007 03:53:55 AM
Just the type of knee-jerk reaction I'd expect from a whining, hypocritcal, blinkered, intellectual dwarf. You accuse me of not 'reading shit' and then say 'fuck you and your wife'. It's not MY wife I was talking about, if you'd bothered to READ my post, you'd see I was talking about a friend's wife; oh, the delicious irony. Can you please show me where I have been 'proved wrong', you intellectual lightweight, or are you just going to come back with a another staggeringly intelligent and considered argument like 'kill yourself'? What exactly was I 'wrong' about? Looking forward to your reply - especially if it contains lines like, 'I didn't waste my time reading your post properly because you are teh suck' - which is, I suspect, all you have in your locker.
Messi reason im saying the same fucking thing is by bongo123	May 11th, 2007 04:36:47 AM
because you cunts are all harping on about the same old fucking thing as the rest of the cunts on this board. You should be fucking ashamed to call yourself a fucking adult getting so worked up over a fucking cartoon, a bloody cartoon... someone is making a movie based on a cartoon from the 80's purely brought about to sell toys and you as a fucking adult along with the rest of these cunts are up in arms calling for the death of michael bay and proclaiming this movie which none of you wankers has even seen yet the biggest pile o shite this year!!! i mean for fucks sake, GROW THE FUCK UP! WHAT ARE YOU FUCKING 9YEARS OLD!!?? same with the rest of you cunts, so what the guys made a couple clangers, hes also made a couple class popcorn movies and so what he changed some fucking designs, are you really that much of a fucking nerdy cunt that you piss yourself every time someone mentions michael bay? as for all these other talkbacks/website/wankgroups or whatever proclaiming the same thing... your all a bunch of sad wankers, sorry hate to say it, but for an adult to get this worked up over a fucking movie you need to and i hate to use this often quoted alleged putdown.. but you need to get the fuck outa yer mammas basement, put down your G1 toys and grow a set of balls and become a fucking man you complete and utter moron, same with the rest of you whiney cunts. see you all at the premiere you hypocritical bastards!!! ahhh feels good to rant.. :) man i use the words cunt a lot...
Toy commercial by Sepulchrave	May 11th, 2007 04:38:43 AM
Always were, always will be. Admittedly, I ran home from school every Friday to watch He-Man. Now I'm a fag who goes to the gym too much. Go figure. Maybe it had some effect on me; maybe He-Man is just super gay-ass shit and I was drawn to it. But Transformers were exactly the same as He-Man, My Little Pony or Care Bears; toy commercials dressed up as narratives. And this film is too. Grow up, get the Mattel out of your souls.
Where the hell are my Transformers? by FuzzyWhisper	May 11th, 2007 04:45:04 AM
These designs look like someone built humanoid frames, attached tons of powerful magnets, threw the frames into a huge pile of scrap metal, then fished them out and called them done. I mean really. This may well be a moderately engaging giant robots movie, but Transformers as the fans identify it? Nowhere close.
FuzzyWhisper... by Pawprint	May 11th, 2007 04:56:36 AM
As I have said before, and time and time again; this film isn't FOR 'the fans'. This is a TF's film for kids/grown-ups who enjoy spectacular summer event films. I'm afraid 'your' TF's looked like someone built humanoid frames, then covered their limbs with a few metal boxes, making them look like cheap toys.(Wait a minute...)
You know what Bongo123 and Pawplant er Pawprint... by nonsensical	May 11th, 2007 05:01:23 AM
You two are the kind of dipshits who just don't get it. The complaint isn't that this is not a direct translation of the G1 source. The complaint is that Michael Bay had the opportunity to take and create a great story. A story where the iconic character designs were updated to be more modern and believable. Instead the story is absolute shit. It not only disregards anything Transformers that has ever come before it, but it essentially pisses on itself in the process. As for the character designs they are atrocious. They don't update the characters or even modernize them. They disregard nearly every aspect of what made the characters and the Transformers great for all generations and replaces them with half assed designs that don't translate well on film or on print. Toy commercial or not the film is going to be awful and you can tell that by the story, the trailers, and the designs. We talkbackers are the audience. We want quality film making and are getting sick and tired of films that lack substance. Action or not there needs to be more than fluff in the films and Bay had the opportunity to give that to people with Transformers. Unfortunately, he chose 'splosions and trumped up clichéd action sequences over substance. For this reason people are pissed. We want more, and we deserve better. If you think that you're getting better then you just sit back and enjoy your shit sandwich. I'm not going to ruin that for you since you seem to love the taste.
Source Material by Silent Mark	May 11th, 2007 05:06:19 AM
You know for all the people claiming he's destroying the franchise, let us not forget that the franchise was a freaking 30 minute toy commercial! If they looked like they did in the cartoon it would be ridiculous. You can get away with alot in animation, but people say 'well the toys could change into thos shapes, so these should too!' WRONG! Anyone remember the megatron toy? with the enormous gun handle legs that couldn't move? Or maybe ratchet? he had no body or head! I suppose you're all pissed about Prime not having a magical trailer either. Bay is not a great director, but tell me this, how can you say 'he's ruined this film' without actually seeing it? With those powers you could release a pre-emptive review magazine. Tell me, what's Spiderman 5 like?
nonsensical... by Pawprint	May 11th, 2007 05:14:01 AM
I see you live up to your chosen nickname very well. When you say we 'don't get it', do you actually mean, 'Waaahhhhh... you don't agree with me, you're wrong and that makes you a bad person, I want the TF's to look like the unconvincing blocky toy cartoon I used to watch with my mum', or am I still just 'not getting it'? Your expectations are raised far too high - this isn't a film based on a complex, decade spanning, classic mythology - it's a film based on a cartoon about giant robots that turned into cars/trucks, etc, made to sell toys. It was NEVER going to have the level of substance and deeply moving plot/story that you and so many other seem to be trying to imbue it with. It's a summer action blockbuster designed to impress with spectacle and to rake in shitloads of cash. In that respect, it will succeed in every aspect I think.
Mark, by nonsensical	May 11th, 2007 05:20:25 AM
Spidey five is great... I was a little sckeptical when they brought back Norman Osborn and revealed him to be behind the Sinister Six, especially given how incomplete the third film was with just two villians, but this time I felt that Raimi learned from past mistakes and created something fantastic. Hiring Rhino, Scorpion, Hobgoblin, Kraven and Sandman was fantastic and when the Lizard completed the six it was just amazing. Sure, it was kind of a cop out when Kraven and the Lizard ended up helping Spidey in the end, but it was a great reveal with Osborn coming back. I can't wait for the final installment to in 2018. In case you can't tell, I'm kidding. As for the issue with the characters looking ridiculous if they looked like they did in the cartoons, well there you are wrong. Look at the later incarnations of the toys, especially the Masterpiece line and you'll see that detail and and poseability is fantastic and would easily work on film and be recognizable by fans and non fans alike.
Nonsensical, dude... by bongo123	May 11th, 2007 05:21:50 AM
...How the holy fuck can you say anything about this movie until you’ve seen the fucking thing!?? Yes you’ve read the script, you know who acts in it and heck we now have high resolution photos of the robots and best of all we all know who’s directing it, but there’s still one fucking problem… YOU HAVENT SEEN THE FUCKING MOVIE YET, no one has and the thing has probably changed quite a bit from the script. As for the “we talk backers are the audience” I call bullshit, any director who goes and tries to make a movie to satisfy wanknerds like you lot will fail hopelessly simply because there are varying degrees of madness..sorry, nerdness to you lot and some of you want updated G1 designs and some of you don’t, some of you want megatron to be a gun some of you don’t… collectively you’d drive any director mad with your whiney nerdy reasoning why it should be this or that, so M bay is making this movie for normal people not cunts who live in comicbook shops. As for disregarding what made these characters/cartoons iconic (only in your head mate), lets be fucking honest here, they weren’t all that, sure I loved them when I was a kid, had loads of em, had the cartoons, comics etc etc and they were great when I was a kid but now as an adult this whole fucking pedestal you and your “adult” mates have placed them on is fucking ludicrous, they were a bunch of fucking robots designed to sell toys to kids. So what he’s not making a fucking oscar movie, he’s making an independence day, a movie which by all counts sucks but I absolutely love simply because its big dumb fun and you know what IT MADE A FUCKING FORTUNE!! Which is exactly what Bay’s movie will do because he’s not making it for the fanatics, he’s making it for the general public, joe’s like me who like big stupid popcorn movies. If you want more and think you deserve better, sit on yer arse come opening night and rewatch your precious Transformers cartoon movie while the rest of the world i.e. the fucking normal people, go out and enjoy some robot mayhem the likes of which we have never seen before because we love the taste of it, but you know what, I bet you your fucking granny you will be there opening night secretly enjoying it like the bunch of hypocritical cunt’s you are.
And furthermore, nonsensical... by Pawprint	May 11th, 2007 05:30:16 AM
"Unfortunately, he (Bay) chose 'splosions and trumped up clichéd action sequences over substance. For this reason people are pissed." Ahhh... NOW I understand - the original cartoon was pretty light on 'splosions and action over substance wasn't it? I'm getting it wrong - this explains the anger! The original cartoon was full of meaningful dialogue about existential woe and stories of Homerian proportions, wasn't it?! Wasn't it? Oh...
Masterpiece line!!?? ooh for fucks sakes.. by bongo123	May 11th, 2007 05:32:04 AM
thank fuck people like you dont make movies and people like M Bay do... the masterpiece line are great... FOR FUCKING TOYS! work well in a movie!? oh give me a fucking break, he aint making a fucking cartoon, he's making something that needs to look believable so what if they bare a passing resemblance or fuck all of a resemblance to the originals, they still need to look cool and real and from the trailers, he hit that nail on the head with a fucking nuclear hammer, your idea would look like something offa the fucking muppets show
Pawprint... you're right. by nonsensical	May 11th, 2007 05:36:37 AM
My expectations are too high and you still don't get it. I, and many others, expected that this film would be about the Transformer characters and the war they fought. I expected that this film would be given the same treatment that films like Spiderman have been given in that it would contain great action and a deep story. It wasn't that this film was never going to have this, it's that once Bay came along that idea quickly began to evaporate. The film that could have been great has been turned into nothing more than fluff. If that's what you want then you are getting it. That doesn't make you a bad person, it just makes you someone without standards and expectations for a quality film based on this concept. That is what you don't get. We wanted qualilty story based on the source and that's just not happening. Now, it shouldn't matter if you think the old designs are very convincing. Obviously, If they weren't convincing then they wouldn't have lasted nearly thirty years.
nonsensical... by Pawprint	May 11th, 2007 05:43:24 AM
"I expected that this film would be given the same treatment that films like Spiderman have been given in that it would contain great action and a deep story. It wasn't that this film was never going to have this The film that could have been great has been turned into nothing more than fluff." Like I have already pointed out - are you saying that the original cartoon was more than fluff? Are you actually telling me that the original cartoons and associated kids comics could be considered 'deep and meaningful' additions to the great modern literary classics? "Now, it shouldn't matter if you think the old designs are very convincing. Obviously, If they weren't convincing then they wouldn't have lasted nearly thirty years." - Lasted nearly thirty years?! If you are such a huge TF fan, tell me how many different incarnations/looks Optimus Prime has been through over the last 'nearly 30 years'? I'm not even a fan, but I KNOW he's changed colour at LEAST twice and perhaps died and come back looking extremely different on one occasion...
Bongo, by nonsensical	May 11th, 2007 05:46:02 AM
Bay missed the mark. Defend him all you want, but you're an idiot. Toys or not the level of detail in the masterpiece line is fantastic. Given these toys or some of the highly detailed comic illustrations as a basis the designs could have had as much detail and maintained a highly recognizable look to them. The shit squeezed out of Bay's ass doesn't look believeable at all and in case you haven't been reading a lot of folks here are saying that this shit doesn't look cool and real, it looks like a complete mess. As for people like me making films... it's what I'm currently doing and the stuff I do looks great.
Actually nonsensical... by Pawprint	May 11th, 2007 05:55:54 AM
You could be right - maybe I'm NOT getting it; "I, and many others, expected that this film would be about the Transformer characters and the war they fought." - I'm not a fan, but let me just do some research here... Hmmm.. Transformer characters; Bay's TF's seem to be led by a TF called Optimus Prime, and include Jazz, Bumblebee, etc - Bay's Decepticons seem to be led by a TF called Megatron, and include Starscream and others. The war they fought; Hmmmmmmmm... Bay's tagline seems to be "Their War. Our World", and I do remember seeing clips in the trailers of TF's fighting in what APPEARS to be a war.... Am I missing the point again, or are we just going to complain some more about the lack of Bergmanesque depth and the fact that the TF's now look like convincing robots and not blocky toys?
Pawprint... by nonsensical	May 11th, 2007 06:02:52 AM
Look it up. His basic colors have stayed the same and his basic look has stayed the same through every single incarnation. He has died in the series twice and he came back looking the exact same both times. The only exception is Beast Wars II, not the US Beast Wars since Optimus Primal is a completely different character, but Beast Wars II where his spark was placed into a Maximal protoform and he took on the form of a lion. However, in robot mode he still looked the same and he was still Red and Blue. I could go into far greater detail as my prior work experiences with Hasbro were for this very purpose, but I won't. As for the stories, several of them were based on some of the great classics in literature. There were also many stories that were very dynamic and morally driven in a way that was meant to educated and show great character compassion and interaction. That's not to say that they deserve to be considered modern classics, but for these reasons they were way more than the simple fluff Bay is squirting out with this film. If you still want me to list the incarnations of Prime I can easily do it.
Calling me an idiot.. bloody cheek of it… by bongo123	May 11th, 2007 06:05:37 AM
...Level of detail, hmmm you know what I think and probably what the majority of the human race would think upon seeing your “ideal” robots, one word.. BLOCKY AS FUCK, same as the original’s. As for detail, fer fucks sake, what detail, megatron looks a fucking joke, like he always did with that stupid ass helmet, heck they all look the fucking same as there original G1 to me with some added lines here and there. As for folks on these TB’s saying the robots don’t look cool etc, what you want me to the take the word of crazy ass fanatics like yourself and your equally lunatic mates over my own personal opinion? I think if you showed the kids of today who this movie is marketed towards, and remember you’re a fuck adult now… allegedly, I think the kids would piss there pants at those masterline designs in comparison to the new designs. Now I wil give you, some of them do look a mess, to much going on but then again I’ll judge that shit when I see it on the screen not like the fuckers on here who pretty much remind me of the salem witch hunters, i.e. burn the fucker before we even know for sure. So you make films do you? I’m sure you and your nerdy mates have lots of fun with your stop motioning star wars fights against the dinobots, and yes I’m sure your mommy has told you its looks fucking class. This is a great way to spend the day in work till home time when I can grab a cold guinness, roll a joint and go watch 28weeks later!
ITS THIS YEARS LITTLE MISS ROBOT JOX! by knifeandfork	May 11th, 2007 06:07:23 AM
These designs are fucking awful.Im not a transformers fan but i dont have to be to see that they should have stuck to the original cartoon/toy designs.Frenzy looks like an armour plated duck ! How threatning is a armour plated duck, really? This better be worth it bay !
Marketing... by nonsensical	May 11th, 2007 06:12:26 AM
Despite the misleading tagline "Their War. Our World." This film isn't about the war between Autobots and Decepticons that spills onto the earth. It is about the hunt for the energon cube. The "source of all Cybertronian life". It is about Sam getting his first car so he can get laid. Even if they fight, it's not about their war. If it were then it would be more about the Decepticons lust for power as they head to earth to drain it of energy. While the Autobots fundamental drive to protect all life from the Decepticon's tyranny. Which it is not.
nonsensical... by Pawprint	May 11th, 2007 06:13:07 AM
No need to list them, but what do you mean by 'basic colours' and 'basic look'? Also, when you say 'based on great classics in literature', do you have examples? In this instance, I suspect that 'based on' means 'ripped off and hugely simplified'. Would you place ANY TF's cartoon or comic in the same league as 'The Dark Knight Returns', or 'Watchmen', for depth of story and impact? Or would you aim higher and compare TF's to Dickens, Tolkien or The Illiad?
meh.. by ekocher	May 11th, 2007 06:14:43 AM
everyone else was letting their voice speak here so i thought why not? why not mess aroudn with them for the hell of it anyways?
Pawprint im glad there are people like you by bongo123	May 11th, 2007 06:29:19 AM
who can argue a point intelligently without resorting to childish name calling, whereas I prefer using terms like “cunt” and “fuck” and resorting to the type of argumentative style normally found hovering 3ft from a dog fight. Where you like to put across your point with facts I like to put mine across with a large blow to the side of the head followed by a kick to ones happy sack. Seeing as the 3 of us are having such fun, what about some info, me I’m a 34y.o. engineer from the UK currently in work bored stupid awaiting information from a lazy bastard of an architect having a blast ranting and raving on here, what about you guys? And that includes you nonsensical, then when we can get back to hopelessly trying to convince the other that there wrong.
Clarification... by nonsensical	May 11th, 2007 06:29:43 AM
By basic colors I mean that his chest area is red and arms are red. His head and legs are blue and there is metalic trim accenting the body. As for basic look. In general every incarnation has been a semi truck of some sort with the exception of the TF2000 Firetruck in which the armor changed the look. As for the examples, I would have to look through what I have to compare it accurately. As you said in this particular instance the story is sampled and simplified, but not overly so. As far as comparing the TF stories to the Dark Knight Returns or Watchmen. Some of the Dreamwave stories such as the Stormbringer were close. Even some of the UK Marvel stories were very good, but I wouldn't really compare these to Dickens and the like. In fact simply comparing them to the DKR and Watchmen is sort of like comparing Monsters Inc. to Pulp Fiction. Both are great stories, but they are geared to a vastly different demographic.
Okay Bongo, by nonsensical	May 11th, 2007 06:39:29 AM
As for my info. I'm close to 30 and I have in fact done some stop motion, though with clay/resin not toys. Some of the commercial work is usually found in TV spots or shorts. I've worked in Animation for the last decade and have a BS in computer animation as well as a BFA and MFA in Animation. The four short films I'm currently working on are mostly for festevals as I've decided to take a break from the rat race. Though one of them is really a TV pilot that might be turned into a series or a feature. That's what pilots are for. As for the name calling... well you started it and many people on this site just don't pay attention unless you resort to that sort of nonsense. So I'm happy to oblige.
by the time.. by TimMighty	May 11th, 2007 06:41:07 AM
..it was clear that volkswagen didnt allow the use of an vw Beetle it was clear to me that they will change stuff on the original designs. I mean..hey i could even live with lips or flames etc but its just sad that they changed almost every design...Starscream for example should be recognizeable as a fucking jet, un-transformed..well..enough with the bashing...we will see the flick anyway. Superman : Rise of Kumar
fourteenspaces by zb.brox	May 11th, 2007 06:46:36 AM

Nonsensical by Silent Mark	May 11th, 2007 06:47:43 AM
Glad you told me you were kidding phew And the difference between Spiderman and TF is simple, Spiderman as a story arc and a concept appeals to people of all ages in it's original medium, the comic. I feel pity for anyone in their twenties, watching old TF cartoons in their basement. It's for children, the whole thing. The cartoon was for kids, the toys, for kids, (though by the sounds of it you've got some use out of them more recently) and so by association, the movie is for kids. They don't want deep meaningful robot dialogue, they want huge ass stompy robots and lot's of 'slposions. Why aren't you complaining that Mary Kate and Ashley movies lack substance? same age bracket.
fourteen more by zb.brox	May 11th, 2007 06:47:51 AM
hmm
fourteen morer by zb.brox	May 11th, 2007 06:49:06 AM
...?
S HORT CIRCUIT by BRUTICUS	May 11th, 2007 06:55:25 AM
this is reminding me of SHORT CIRCUIT ALL OVER AGAIN, hilarious! bring it on!
Hmmm... by nonsensical	May 11th, 2007 06:56:18 AM
I get what you are saying Mark, but this film is PG-13. Not G or PG like the Mary Kate and Ashley movies. That generally implies that there is a demographic being targeted that is 13 and older. However, as I've said with films like Cars and Monsters Inc. Even though they are geared towards children the stories are designed to entertain all levels. Just like Spiderman. Transformers could have had that same appeal. Especially given that there is an audience of children who are now adults, but that was ignored here in regards to the story. Stompy or not, we should be getting more than that, but it just won't happen.
About the name calling, take it in yer stride mate by bongo123	May 11th, 2007 06:56:20 AM
thats what makes these TF TB's such fun, i love ranting and going of on one on you crazy fucks and i just love people getting all riled up and ranting at me, great stuff. We all have such polar views on thisa lthough your "side" are a bit more er... um... ahhhh.. passionate about the whole thing, wereas my "side" want to see big robots blowing shit up!
No worries... by nonsensical	May 11th, 2007 07:02:50 AM
I suspect you aren't being malicious in your name calling. It is all in fun anyway. TF Talkbacks can get to be the most heated, and some on both sides just take it too far, but it is fun. That's why we keep coming back.
Nonsensical by Silent Mark	May 11th, 2007 07:25:03 AM
The average 13 year old has the attention span of an amoeba.
hmmm by slkboxrman	May 11th, 2007 08:13:51 AM
firstly whoever said that anyone in their 20s watching transformers is lame because its ONLY for kids, u must be gay...im 36 and i still watch the old transformers cartoons and have watched every incarnation they put out, minus beast wars and machines, which i thought were abominations, and unwatchable...anyhow transformers is not just for kids no more than harry potter is just for kids or spongebob or south park....and whoever had the whole "when bay took over, the great story went out the window" or something like that....no one seems to understand the term or title"director"....if u dont like the story, blame orci and the other guy..if u dont like the designs blame the artists and blame hasbro for signing off on them...bay can film it the way he wants but i doubt he rewrote the movie to suit him and i doubt there were better designs that bay redesigned too....bottom line is that this is transformers, just not what YOU wanted...and seriously, the old designs would have looked like ILM power rangers and not what we as "adults" want....alot of u whiners and complainers didnt even grow up with the originals, u simply caught them on repeats..i can say i watched original broadcast eps...the movie will be awesome, but like many of u, u should actually SEE a movie before u decide u dont like it...reading leaked scripts on the net is retarded, that script thats been floating around is months old and bay even said himself that the final script hasnt leaked.....why cant u all be patient ? then again alot of u bashed spider man 3 into the ground in the other talkback while u raise it on a pedastal in this one...hippocrits i tell ya
Sorry I Missed The Love-In! by Pawprint	May 11th, 2007 08:16:22 AM
Bongo, 'cunt' and 'fuck' are all extremely valid arguments in any worthwhile debate. For the record, I'm a 35 year-old British soldier serving in Germany. I can't get too excited about the whole subject anyway, but it makes for fucking good entertainment watching other people lose their heads!
gibsonUSA by slkboxrman	May 11th, 2007 08:24:49 AM
or whatever ur name is ...if thats ur opinion just say it..dont say "i was out with friends and THEY all said" this that and the other thing....thats worse than someone on the boards at donmurphy.net that said he showed his 3yr old son the designs and he didnt recognize anything or the guy that asked hs girlfriend or mom or whatever...if u wanna make a comment u dont need PHONY support from other people
slkboxrman-- by zb.brox	May 11th, 2007 08:25:55 AM
--final decisions on everything from script to designs rests with the director. Did he micromanage dialog? Probably not. Did he draw the designs himself? Almost certainly not. But I'll bet you anything you like that the people who wrote the script and drew the designs were guided by his vision for the project.
pawprint by slkboxrman	May 11th, 2007 08:32:13 AM
i always thought that ur supposed to "fuck" a "cunt" LOL...i love how people are suddenly so skilled in what makes a movie good or bad, or to critique the dialogue and story in a movie and how so many aspiring writers and such are making their own movies that will be better than this one.....or claim they can do better CG work than ILM (i always laugh at that one) bottom line it is just a movie, and a movie based on a cartoon whose main purpose is to sell toys....im 36 yrs old and i get that, im still excited like a 5 yr old to go see this movie, but i understand the business....but im not gonna say "optimus prime inspired me and was a major influence in my life" like some of these people have said...another thing i laugh at actually.....no matter what anyone says in here, they will all be online and see the movie and be back here to sing its praises july 5...or maybe they will download it or get it on bootleg like geeky nerds do when they wanna save face after flaming a movie for a year and then sit in their basements, turn of the porn , and then watch the movie 5 times in a row while massaging their manhood thru their optimus prime tighty whities while maneuvering oh so gently up and down the megatron buttplug.....cant u see it ??? yuck
slkboxrman by Pawprint	May 11th, 2007 08:36:47 AM
Jesus! Your last paragraph gave me a hard-on!
brox by slkboxrman	May 11th, 2007 08:36:56 AM
do u really think the script or the designs changed that much from what he was given to what he approved ??? do u think that more traditional designs were made and he said "oh no, the fans may like that and i dont want them to, because this is my transformers" NO ? then the point is moot...im willing to believe there may have been less action in some of the first drafts and him saying there has to be more fighting and more explosions, which i think is a good thing.....20 action pieces according to shia, and at 2.5 hrs long i think it will be great
pawprint by slkboxrman	May 11th, 2007 08:39:51 AM
LOL damn, down boy , down !!! hopefully it was the "fuck a cunt" part that gave it to u and not the megatron buttplug comment....hahah
Erm... yeah... by Pawprint	May 11th, 2007 08:43:31 AM
Yeah! Definately the 'fuck a cunt' part. Thats right! Nothing to do with Megatron buttplugs - oh, no, no sir.
slkboxrman-- by zb.brox	May 11th, 2007 08:43:46 AM
I'm not sure you understand how this process works. It's true that in this case the script existed by the time Bay came on to the project, but a script and a shooting script can be totally different--and even what's shot can be altered considerably in the editing room. Further, in terms of design, it's not as though a director says to a design team "hey, go nuts, we'll just build whatever you draw". They'll bring him many, many design ideas and he'll review them, pick which he likes, and give feedback. When it comes down to it, the buck stops with the director--though in a movie like this I admit you can't overlook interference from producers...
slkboxrman-- by zb.brox	May 11th, 2007 08:49:51 AM
The buck stops with the director. Yes, he was given a script to direct--but a script and a shooting script can be very different, and then of course, how it all ends up in the editing room. Though I admit, apparently Spielberg was the one who initially wanted to focus on the "boy and his car" aspect, which just goes to show you can't overlook the idiocy of the producers, either. In terms of designs, though, it's not as though Bay said "design me some transformers" and they brought back designs for him to rubber-stamp. They'll draw dozens or hundreds of concept pictures for each character, and he'll tell them which he likes and give other comments. The blame for the designs rests with him, no one else.
Sometimes... by zb.brox	May 11th, 2007 08:59:39 AM
I hate these talkbacks.
Moreover........ by zb.brox	May 11th, 2007 09:10:25 AM
I maintain that we need an edit function.
sixteen letters? by zb.brox	May 11th, 2007 09:15:52 AM
The Terminator image proves http://tinyurl.com/gzegy Please excuse further experiments...
that's very odd. by zb.brox	May 11th, 2007 09:18:23 AM
The Terminator image proves http://tinyurl.com/gzegyPlease once again excuse further experiments...
Ha! I've done it by zb.brox	May 11th, 2007 09:21:59 AM
I think I've figured it out If this works as I hope- The secret of Bold has been unlocked.
Check Out Bay's Response To Bruce Willis by MightyOs	May 11th, 2007 09:24:22 AM
Go back to the link. Bay has slated Willis. TalkBackers FIGHT! :)
Curses!!!!!!!!!! by zb.brox	May 11th, 2007 09:29:18 AM
I am undaunted in my quest.. PerhapsitmustbeallonebitFor the BOLD to be unlocked.
By Jove, zb.brox! by Mr. Nice Gaius	May 11th, 2007 09:31:46 AM
You've done it! Perhapsitmustbeallonebi t For the BOLD to be unlocked.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA by zb.brox	May 11th, 2007 09:31:48 AM
Twenty-seven characters, br thenanothertwentyfourand BOLD!
Damn! What now?! by zb.brox	May 11th, 2007 09:32:31 AM
I must've miscounted...
Damn! by Mr. Nice Gaius	May 11th, 2007 09:32:51 AM

Fuck i cant wait to see this new trailer, the last one by bongo123	May 11th, 2007 09:37:27 AM
blew me away, each snippet i see of this fecking movie makes it more and more "the" summer movie for me, oh and cunt.
I see it now.... by zb.brox	May 11th, 2007 09:37:40 AM
We must be highly careful bouthowthefirstlineturnsIt's all about the line turns. Gotta make sure the first line doesn't turn wrong, and the second is all one piece so it's forced to turn mid-code.
The only problem by zb.brox	May 11th, 2007 09:42:04 AM
There's no way to terminate thatistosayturnoffatwillTHE BOLD once it has been unleashed.
The Fucking Teaser Trailer.... by Pawprint	May 11th, 2007 09:42:06 AM
made the cunting hair on the back of my cunting neck stand up, never mind the cunting trailers!
I wonder if we have... by zb.brox	May 11th, 2007 09:47:43 AM
Any wiggle room on exactly howlongallothelinescanbe and if there absolutely isnowayoffturningoffthe bold once you have it...
I... Am.... A... by zb.brox	May 11th, 2007 09:52:18 AM
GOD!!! Of the Talkbackers BOWDOWNBEFOREMEORELSEYOUWILL SUFFER MY AWFUL WRATH! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Boy, I hope it doesn't go to my head...
music by LordMaker	May 11th, 2007 09:58:53 AM
Does anyone know who's doing the musical score?
Test by zb.brox	May 11th, 2007 10:20:13 AM
.... ........................ Do periods work?
Hmm by zb.brox	May 11th, 2007 10:21:37 AM
...
zb.brox by Mr. Nice Gaius	May 11th, 2007 10:23:36 AM
You know what? ..................... ... It appears they do.
I wonder how exact by zb.brox	May 11th, 2007 10:23:44 AM
a science this is. How do I ensure that this line turns appropriately? Hmm. I'll have to examine the source. ........................ And let's try that, too...
Ha! by Mr. Nice Gaius	May 11th, 2007 10:26:28 AM
I'll go ahead and trythisonemoretime...just to see.
I think... by zb.brox	May 11th, 2007 10:26:57 AM
The subject and the text here can be pretty much any length, provided there are no spaces in the string of characters after the first break. ........................ Twenty-four unbroken, non-space characters should do it. ....................... Then twenty-three and a slash to turn it off.
Talkback history.. by zb.brox	May 11th, 2007 10:29:39 AM
Is changed... ........................FOREVER. I wonder... ........................ If there's anything else we can do...
Guess not. by zb.brox	May 11th, 2007 10:30:25 AM
No itals. So it goes.
zb.brox by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 11th, 2007 10:31:54 AM
I bow in your presence twentythreeconsecut ive!Is that right?
Twenty-four by zb.brox	May 11th, 2007 10:34:17 AM
to turn it on, twenty-three then a (/br) to turn it off. You cna just do a (br), C&P in this: ........................ and end with another (br), all together, then type away.
Unfortunately... by Mr. Nice Gaius	May 11th, 2007 10:34:40 AM
...you've just let thegenieoutofthebottle. . Yikes!
I am a tool by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 11th, 2007 10:36:12 AM
I just don't get it. Sweet that you two do though .................... ....Ugh....................... nope
And make sure there are no spaces. by zb.brox	May 11th, 2007 10:36:14 AM
Like so. looknospaceslooknospaces Gotcha?
Micheal Bay by Movietool	May 11th, 2007 10:36:51 AM
Hey, nobody gets throught heir entire life without SOMEONE thinking they're an asshole. I bet you could find some people in Hollywood that would happily pronounce Bruce Willis to be an enormous prick if you went looking for them. But Bay doesn't have half the reputaion for being an ass that James Cameron has, and Cameron seems to get a pass here at AICN. Now admittedly, Cameron also makes better movies than Bay, but I'm just sayin'.
Like so. by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 11th, 2007 10:37:49 AM
Like so. looknospaceslooknospace s Gotcha?
Okay, you need-- by zb.brox	May 11th, 2007 10:39:12 AM
To type anything you want here. Then space and put in a break. Then, with no space after the break, 24 unbroken characters. Then no space, and another break. Then type. (br)........................(b r) Should look just like that, except with angled brackets for the parentheses. Then type away.
Why does it break my s off? by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 11th, 2007 10:40:17 AM
I typed what I saw. AreYouTypingGreaterThan ,P,LesserThanOrAreYouTypingGre aterThan,BR,LesserThan?
That should have been... by Mr. Nice Gaius	May 11th, 2007 10:40:20 AM
... somethingalittlemorelik e this.
Ooooooooh by zb.brox	May 11th, 2007 10:40:41 AM
NOT just like that. It inserts a space where the break would go. Just like that, but NO SPACE between the b and th r in the last break. Very important
It automatically breaks up a text-string by zb.brox	May 11th, 2007 10:43:08 AM
after like 30 characters. So You type the break, with the BR, and that's 4. You do another 24 characters, with no spaces, that's 28. Then the next 2, are the bracket and the B. It forces a break there, and so it tricks it into thinking it's a bold command.
Hmm by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 11th, 2007 10:44:25 AM
I understand what you are saying, however I am still failing. ........................Fa ilure.
Alright. by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 11th, 2007 10:47:30 AM
Let's do this again. looknospaceslooknospacesI still understand, yet cannot get it to work. I'll never be in with the In-Crowd. Sigh.
Well, I guess... by zb.brox	May 11th, 2007 10:48:03 AM
My inability to explain this just reaffirms the fact that I'm a god. ;) ........................ I guess I alone can possess such a lofty power.
Okay, try this... by zb.brox	May 11th, 2007 10:50:39 AM
Type something. Then copy and paste directly the following: (br)........................(b r) Look, ma, I'm bold. Now do two things: 1: Remove the space between the second b and r. 2: Replace the parentheses with angle-brackets. It should end up: ...................... .. Look, ma, I'm bold.
Ooooooooooh by zb.brox	May 11th, 2007 10:52:08 AM
I think I've sussed it, based on that last mistake. ONLY USE ONE BREAK AT A TIME. I think that might be it. One and only one break between your initial text and the dots.
Yes, you are now a S-Rank TB God by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 11th, 2007 10:52:26 AM
And you are explaining just fine. Clear and concise. PleaseWeildYourMightyPower I just can't wrap my simple little head around this. Yet? I'll keep trying I suppose.
If I'm right... by zb.brox	May 11th, 2007 10:53:05 AM
This won't work: ...................... .. But with any luck, this will: ........................ Success?
PleaseWeildYourMightyPower by zb.brox	May 11th, 2007 10:54:59 AM
...is 26. Try: PleaseWeildYourMightyPower!
Confirming my learning impairment by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 11th, 2007 10:55:28 AM
Will I ever figure it out? ........................ Look, ma, I'm bold.
Success! by zb.brox	May 11th, 2007 10:57:59 AM
Congratulations, you've leveled up.
And with that... by zb.brox	May 11th, 2007 10:59:35 AM
...I've gotta go to lunch. ........................ Use the skills I've taught you well. ....................... And see if you can get the hang of turning it off while I'm gone. ;)
wowsers by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 11th, 2007 11:03:33 AM
i feel lucky ........................ Look, ma, I'm bold. sweet
wowsers by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 11th, 2007 11:03:43 AM
i feel lucky ........................ Look, ma, I'm bold. sweet
turn it on and off by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 11th, 2007 11:10:38 AM
I must impress my master. ........................ Hmmm, perhaps? ....................... How about it?
d'oh by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 11th, 2007 11:14:53 AM
twenty-three and a slash to turn it off. ........................ On, and now ....................... Off?
How many times can it be done? by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 11th, 2007 11:17:48 AM
Let's see. Twice? Thrice? ........................ First ....................... One Down ........................ Second ....................... Two Down ........................ Third ....................... Three Down
Once more with feeling by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 11th, 2007 11:22:43 AM
Please don't ban me. ........................ Just trying this out. ....................... But I will stop, ........................ Once I get the ....................... hang of ........................ Turning this on ........................ and off ........................ still not confident ....................... in what I am doing ........................ I do and do and do you kids ....................... and this is the thanks I get? ........................ The disigns are still rubbish to me ....................... but many do not think such
You really have to be careful by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 11th, 2007 11:26:10 AM
Indeed. ........................ Watching my daughter is a wonderful distraction ....................... but a distraction nonetheless ........................ lord how she loves Oswald ....................... It really is a shame it got cancelled. ........................ A gentle show ....................... with fine lessons
zb.brox by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 11th, 2007 11:31:27 AM
Please praise me and validate me. ........................ I will try to honor your lessons ....................... by not using this power obnoxiously ........................ (too late) ....................... but never too late to change for the better. Thanks.
Ha by zb.brox	May 11th, 2007 11:34:33 AM
Good work. Of course, now the secret's out, we'll have to see how long before they try and fix the loophole. ........................ Enjoy it while it lasts. ;)
I have and continue to blame by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 11th, 2007 12:09:21 PM
the tools at ........................ Hasbro for signing off on every aspect of their properties, including TF ....................... such as design, script, so on and so forth. Point and case, they did not approve this cover http://tinyurl.com/2tjzyn Too sexy I think was their reasoning. Really? It's the Baroness, Adam Hughes cheesecake-style. The cover we actually got was meh-tacular. AH's cover wasn't even included at a pin-up or variant. Just denied. On a sidenote, I met Adam Hughes once. Prick. But I understand why I guess. I just wanted to thank him for his work, but he immediately thought I wanted a sketch. People treat these artists at conventions with little respect. Draw me something! Really? You already buy their books. Terry Moore was taken aback when we met him. I just wanted to shake his hand, say thank you and buy a travel mug. He asked, "don't you want a sketch like everyone else?" My wife said "nope, we just love your work and wanted to say thank you." Cool guy. Just saying.
Anyone see Robots? by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 11th, 2007 12:24:41 PM
My kid loves that flick and I hate my dad for buying it for her. Anyway, there's a little 'bot in it with a broken/missing voicebox. Bumblebee has a missing/damaged voicebox. Hmmmm. coughrip-off!cough That is one of my biggest problems with this (aside from the asanine script, overthought designs, urine jokes, etc). The communication via songs on the radio equates to ........................ Lame-o. ....................... I'm sure it will work for the masses though.
I killed the TB. by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 11th, 2007 12:27:58 PM
sorry guys/gals. I leave you with this thought ........................ Children of FUCKING Men ....................... Someone needs to teach ........................ Total Fucking Destruction ....................... this bold trick.....
Ok, TB geeks...lay off the bold by box	May 11th, 2007 12:31:14 PM
we all get it, you're geekified powers have allowed you to decode the powers of "bold". let it go, it's getting old reading your posts that have no apparent reason for existing, other than to make things "bold". go open up MS Word and type all you want while bolding like crazy...just not here. I hope those that do continue to make pointless "bold" posts get banned.
"This Movie Is Gonna Blow You Away..." by MarkoOhNo	May 11th, 2007 12:35:03 PM
...out of your seat, out the door to the ticket booth to get your money back. :P I'm sure the cars & explosions will be neat-o. The transformation effects will probably be pretty tight. But you can't make someone sit through 2 hours of shit scripting, piss-poor CGI modeling and outright bad acting just for THAT. That would violate the Geneva Convention.
box-- by zb.brox	May 11th, 2007 12:41:07 PM
Don't like it, don't read it, it's not hard to scroll right past. And let me personally thank you for ending this pointless tangent and turning the discussion of the thread back to the Transformers designs... Hang on, did you actually have anything to say about those? Or did you just bust in here to add another pointless message about how pointless those messages were? Hmm. For the record, it's my opinion that the transformersdesignsabove suck likeavaccuumonsteroids. And I don't think anyone yet has really offered a defense of them based in any critical analysis, as opposed to "OMFG, those are so cool, all you haterzzz suck."
I Have To Agree... by MarkoOhNo	May 11th, 2007 12:41:23 PM
Time to find some other area of your life in which to be bold. lol
I shall apologize again by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 11th, 2007 12:41:30 PM
I truly am sorry for needlessly padding this TB with "bold" experimentation. I shoulder the complete blame and apologize once again. I have overstepped my bounds.
Give Murphy a break! by Badger999	May 11th, 2007 12:42:21 PM
Seriously... did you see Double Dragon and that fabulous shot of Alyssa Milano's ass? Sure, it was no Embrace of the Vampire, but it's still one of the greatest set-pieces in cinematic history.
brox by box	May 11th, 2007 12:56:48 PM
i'm going to take 2 minutes out of my day to reply to your childish response. i DO scroll through your pointless (and other's pointless) "let's try and bold things" threads....however, teh problem comes into play when I have to spend MORE time trying to weed out the TF comments inbetween your pointless "bold" posts. I'm not here to POST messages, I'm here to READ messages. I just recently made the last post because I noticed that you are getting way out of hand with the "bold" stuff and it needs to stop. Now. A lot of people like to come to this TB section to read and discuss TF's, not read or filter out crap posts about "bolding" words. Like I said, if it continues, I hope you get banned or I hope an admin reads this concern and fixes the loophole. You can easily prevent that though by feeding your fetish by opening MS Word and "bolding" words at will. One a side note, I appreciate HEWHOCANNNOTBENAMED for owning up to his/her actions and apologizing. It's you, brox, now, that I have a problem with.
A Circle Forms Around Box And Brox by MarkoOhNo	May 11th, 2007 12:59:42 PM
"Fight!! Fight!! Fight!! Fight!! Fight!!" lol Two men enter... one man leaves!
And yet... by zb.brox	May 11th, 2007 01:04:54 PM
...when I actually talked about Transformers, you had nothing to say on the matter. I assume your problem with all these bold posts is that they take up space that isn't on-topic discussion, yes? And yet, here you are, engaging in another argument that also isn't on-topic discussion. Not once, now, but twice, because for whatever reason it amuses you to do so. And, of course, instead of responding to the on-topic part of my previous post, you responded purely to the bit that interested you most. Will you do it again after this post? Make another pointless remark that adds noting to the actual conversation? If so, I hope you realize the hypocrisy in badgering other people for amusing themselves while you add nothing but your own self-gratifying righteousness to the conversation. Or do you have an opinion on the topic at hand you'd like to share?
brox by box	May 11th, 2007 01:11:23 PM
this will be my last reply before I forward my concerns to the admins to either ban your actions, delete your off-topic posts, or fix the loophole. again, i reitterate, i'm NOT here to POST messages.....i'm here to READ messages. So, when you accuse me of offering nothing to the TF talk-back, it's because I'm at work and don't have the time to type discussions, only read. however, i think that you are being very rude and inconciderate of the other users/viewers of this website/TB by monopolizing the forum to work out HTML code for the productive sake of what...? bolding? i'm not going to be baited into an arguement with you, i'm not going to reply back to you after this, i'm not going to badger you....i'm just asking you to STOP with the pointless posts that are flooding this, once interesting TB, about TF's and their horrible designs (there, i posted something "relevant", as you so whined about").
test by Err	May 11th, 2007 01:12:17 PM
Hi Hi Hi Hi
test2 by Err	May 11th, 2007 01:13:31 PM
Hi [b]hi[/b] Hi
Research Done... by Pawprint	May 11th, 2007 01:14:43 PM
Yes I actually went off and did some research. Optimus Prime has had more incarnations than I could be arsed to count - run his name through Wikipedia. He has had many drastically different appearences and has been completely silver, all black, mostly blue and many variations thereof up to - and including - the Bay version. Know what? I actually believe the Bay version is the better looking out of all the pictures of Prime shown on Wikipedia - most of the cartoon/spin-off/alt universe models are PROPER dogshit.
Thank you. by zb.brox	May 11th, 2007 01:16:36 PM
If you're so concerned about not-flooding the place, it seems to me that a short, polite request would serve better than hostility provoking a protracted, and off-topic, discussion (between us, what, 6 posts now? Not counting the others...) If you're going to post about people not contributing, contribute. And thank you for making that minimal effort to be on-topic. Is there anyone out there with a defense of the designs that doesn't jut bash people for liking G1?
Pawprint-- by zb.brox	May 11th, 2007 01:21:34 PM
Again, though, this isn't about comparison to the old designs--a live-action, big-budget Optimus Prime had damn well better look better than a toy, y'know? But the main advantage it has is a kind of look of agility to it, but that's really undermined by the "bits and pieces" look, my problems with whcih I detailed above.
Let's exclude OP by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 11th, 2007 01:31:52 PM
and talk about the others. While I am beginning to see some resemblance of the older iconic designs only in the heads/faces of Jazz and Iron Hide I still detest the bodies. I had to look hard for the resemblance, but I finally convinced myself I saw it. The deceptacons as a whole and individually look atrocious. What is cool about them? Too busy to look threatening. Where is the arm cannon on MINO? Prime somewhat resembles Prime, but MINO? Ugh. Jet, Tank, Gun, whatever. The arm cannon was and is essential to the coolness of the character (my opinion as well as a few others). I'm talking myself into a hole. A script with developed characters needs to exist first.....
zb.brox... by Pawprint	May 11th, 2007 01:33:54 PM
My issue is the exact opposite to yours, clearly - I have a hard time imagining the stiff and boxy-looking G1 TF's being able to realistically transform into ANYTHING. I actually think the 'busy-ness' of the Bay designs works in principle; all the many parts of a Peterbilt cab have got to go SOMEWHERE when Prime transforms, so I'd cry 'foul', if the robots were smooth, clean and boxy. As long as the robots are distinct enough in personality, there shouldn't be a problem.
HeWhoCannotBeNamed... by Pawprint	May 11th, 2007 01:36:45 PM
This Megatron (as seen in the link in the main article) is really starting to impress me. Rather this one with his TreeBeard legs and feet than G1 Megatron with his retard's/cycle helmet and 'evil' black eyebrows...
Pawprint-- by zb.brox	May 11th, 2007 01:40:36 PM
I absolutely agree many of those parts should be visible, but one of my major problems is that it seems that the broad, flat shapes of many of the characters have been pointlessly broken up, or that pieces that integrated before have been pulled apart seemingly without a point. The worst cases are, of course, Iron Hide and Blackout, but even Bumblebee (who I think is actually one of the better designs) suffers. I mean, it's more or elss impossible to discern what any of them turn into based on their current appearance, and their limbs are such twisted wrecks of metal that they blend into one another and defy your eyes' attempts to impose perspective on them. Unless Bay plans on making this a storypoint (i.e. these robots are built for disguise, so obviously they're going to be hard to discern due to natural camouflage...) it seems like a poor design choice to have your huge, complicated special effects monsters difficult to actually see clearly.
HeWhoMustNotBeNamed-- by zb.brox	May 11th, 2007 01:44:32 PM
Megatron's another who's a mess. And Megatron, of all of them, benefited from looking very slick and blocky. Why? Because he was a fuggin' gun. He should look like a humanoid cannon, and he did, and that's pretty scary, 'cause when it comes down to it guns are terrifying things, a symbol of man's capacity to take rough metal and forge it into sleek, simple object that's also one of the deadliest things on the planet. This Megatron loses that entirely, instead looking rather like a junk-monster. Which can be scary, certainly, but it's certainly not Megatron, and I still think the design is too messy to be really effective.
Pawprint by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 11th, 2007 01:45:00 PM
I see your viewpoint. Granted many of us agree/disagree. Allow me to ask you this - What doesn't work about this http://tinyurl.com/2yhuvb as a general concept? Yes, it's a toy that has had liberties taken with it for dynamic effect/posing. But if the appropriate "realizations" were taken with it, updates, whatnot, do you still think the Megs the movie is getting works better than what I linked? Just curious. I feel this is clean (boxy to you) whereas ILM's Megatron is just not smooth/streamlined at all. The intricacies overpower the general asthetic for me. Not trying to start shit or bait/trap.
HeWhoCannotBeNamed... by Pawprint	May 11th, 2007 01:50:14 PM
Granted, that's not TOO bad - I could see how that model could TF into a large-size handgun, and he looks more realistically agile - however, still too blocky and 'Power Rangers' zord-like for me. What I will be interested to see - and will reserve judgement until then - is exactly WHAT Bay's Megatron TF's into; if at all.
I too feel that all "the broken pieces" by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 11th, 2007 01:50:24 PM
are unnecessary. Maybe I lack scope in vision or design, but they still don't work for me. Sleek and simple would have been better. It can be done, they just chose a different path.
Pawprint by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 11th, 2007 01:55:09 PM
I see what you are saying. As I said, it was simply a thought/template. The blocky thing I will give you. In the proper hands, that design could have been streamlined and toned down in some instances, punched up in other instances and ultimately made to work on film - made to look realistic. Just blathering on about robots. It's sci-fi. I'll look out for your thoughts once the movie hits. Be well.
Power Rangers by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 11th, 2007 02:00:15 PM
Honestly, I have never seen an episode and know nothing about them. So comparisons are lost on me. I once posted how I would have loved to have seen the Constructacons/Devistator in this film and someone immediately cried foul as it would instantaneously remind many of the Power Rangers. Whatever. I know the comics first and foremost. The toys and cartoon take a distant back seat to that from my perspective. Anyway, it is what it is. Many of us will still talk about it.
I have to admit... by Pawprint	May 11th, 2007 02:03:31 PM
When I first heard about a live-action TF film, I wasn't expecting some of the 'skeletal claw-like' hand designs we're seeing now; but this does not/will not spoil my enjoyment. I'm not sure if the Citroen adverts showing a 'live-action' transforming car were shown outside of the UK, but those images primed me (and got me excited about) for the upcoming TF film and the designs we're seeing now.
Frenzy by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 11th, 2007 02:07:13 PM
I find it hard to believe anyone thinks that design/concept is cool. Regardless it someone does, I still take issue with the design. Even for a movie based on a toy, it's silly looking.
I've seen the Citroen ads-- by zb.brox	May 11th, 2007 02:07:46 PM
online, and they're probably a part of the reason I'm so disappointed with Bay's Transformers. I think those things look so much better than these designs. Yeah, they could be tweaked a bit to look sturdier or a little more facially expressive, but in terms of pure form, they look pretty sleek, they look cool when they move, and they actually look like they're cars somewhere in there.
Is it just me... by zb.brox	May 11th, 2007 02:09:27 PM
...or does it look like Frenzy's hands are made of A/V cable heads?
On the official website... by Pawprint	May 11th, 2007 02:12:23 PM
There is a photograph of the TF that moonlights as a police car, in robot form - it has a small, puny human pinned against some wreckage, towering over him menacingly. Now THAT TF not only looks good, but you can easily tell it TF's into/from a car. It's a fantastic design, and reminiscent of the Citroen adverts.
Actually, by zb.brox	May 11th, 2007 02:15:46 PM
I've been really looking forward to seeing what that one looks like (what's it called? Barricade? Something like that?), because the car itself does look badass. It'll be kinda funny, though, if my favorite robot in the flick is one that's a newly created Decepticon that's ripping on Prowl...
I've not seen that photo before now... by Pawprint	May 11th, 2007 02:19:50 PM
It certainly hasn't been shown on this site as far as I'm aware. Well worth a look.
Re: Power Rangers by Err	May 11th, 2007 02:25:28 PM
If they get pissed because it reminds them of Power Rangers, then they should get pissed because Voltron did it before Power Rangers.
Yeah, just saw it-- by zb.brox	May 11th, 2007 02:25:32 PM
The one I saw, anyway, hard to get a look at the full design, but the upper-body profile did look pretty good. I liked that you could still see the doors on the arms, it's nice that at least a few of the robots look kinda like the vehicles they become. (I showed my fiance these pictures, she had no idea what Jazz was supposed to turn into. And does anyone have any idea if Frenzy transforms at all, or if he's just a hitcher on Blackout?)
Stupid Power Rangers... by zb.brox	May 11th, 2007 02:27:31 PM
Transformer gestalts? Awesome. Voltron? Awesome. Power Rangers? Lame as all hell, ruining it for everyone else.
Pawprint by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 11th, 2007 02:32:54 PM
http://tinyurl.com/2q7lem Ba rricade is down at the bottom of the page.
Same Photo, Yes. by Pawprint	May 11th, 2007 02:33:38 PM
Some of the pictures we're seeing in the link in the original article don't actually look as though they WILL be TF'ing; however, I don't know the story of the film, so they may not - who knows? Also, judging by the 'gunmetal grey only' design we're seeing, and they fact that they are not stills from the film, I'm wondering if we're seeing some incomplete designs.
Pawprint-- by zb.brox	May 11th, 2007 02:36:51 PM
I hope so, and someone cited some evidence of that above, because those Decepticons really need some kinda coloring to set them apart form one another. It might help make them look less like a jumble, too, though not if they all have flames. ;)
Incomplete indeed. by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 11th, 2007 02:37:04 PM
JK. Well, we've seen a few of them change so I am sure Barricade will be augmented more as well.....
HeWhoCannotBeNamed... by Pawprint	May 11th, 2007 02:38:37 PM
Those pictures in your link are clearly production designs, and I'll admit they look TERRIBLE, but all the finished film stills (and trailer shots) of the TF's in action look MUCH better - even Optimus Prime doesn't look as good in those photo's. And looking at the first photo of Megatron, I am convinced - in that form - he won't be TF'ing into ANYTHING.
I was 12 when this thread started... by lead_sharp	May 11th, 2007 03:13:59 PM
Sweet fucking christ I had to be a part of this monster. That group shot shows the designs for what they are, shite.
DAMN YOU TOM ROTHMAN!!!!! by Motoko Kusanagi	May 11th, 2007 03:26:01 PM
damn you sonofabitch, you killed one of my fav franchises DAMN YOU, YOU PRICK
Motoko Kusanagi-- by zb.brox	May 11th, 2007 03:27:19 PM
Big X-Men fan, huh?
Motoko Kusinagi by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 11th, 2007 03:28:22 PM
Excited about Solid State Society?
Motoko Kusanagi by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 11th, 2007 03:37:29 PM
Did you get your hands on one?
Motoko Kusanagi by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 11th, 2007 03:38:25 PM
Did you get your hands on one? http://tinyurl.com/2tj6s8< P>I was lucky enough to. Beeeeee-autiful!
skeptics, hear me out, this could be great! by zooch	May 11th, 2007 03:57:24 PM
Because of one word, Spielberg. Spielberg could bring exactly what makes his films so great and what ALL Bay's films have been lacking. Bay's films have good action but are mostly soul-less, but this is not a Jerry Bruckheimer production, this is Steven Spielberg presents Transformers directed by Michael Bay. What I'm hoping is that Spielberg's involvement could add the necessary heart that this film needs.
zooch by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 11th, 2007 04:10:33 PM
I appreciate your optimistic outlook. I know this question is obnoxious to many, but have you read Orci & Kurtzman's script? I hate to dash your hopes on the jagged rocks, but I believe that ship has sailed..... Who the hell is Bryan Cox providing a voice for? That man can do no wrong. What a minute....
Whats up groovy kats and kits by Phategod2	May 11th, 2007 04:14:38 PM
I've been watching you guys Love the quote from Micheal Bay. True definition of a asshat. Nice bold work. a week racist showed up and AINTITSHOT reered his ugly head again What does it take to ban this guys IP address. I love the way he attacks everyone even the people who agree with him what a DB. Now I'm going to check that Bruce Willis TB. peace yall.
Spielberg by El Mamerro	May 11th, 2007 04:21:31 PM
Actually, I think many of the storyline aspects currently in the script that people are up in arms about are due to Spielberg. If it was all up to Bay it'd be 200 times louder and more retarded. The whole boy and his first car bit is total Spielberg schmaltz... which made me cringe at first, the same way Spielberg schmaltz makes me cringe these days, but honestly, when I was a kid I was all about that shit. I just ate it up. So, to properly enjoy this movie's storyline, I'm setting my brain back 20 years so I look at it like a little kid again. I'll cheer for the kid getting the girl at the end, and the soldier finally meeting his newborn baby. Whatever, I'm not sweating it, I used to eat all that crap up when I was a little kid and I don't see why I can't do it again. As for the script itself, I didn't mind the basic story at all. Different, but basic and easy to understand for a general audience. The dialogue, however, was atrocious, but I think a lot of it was due to John Rogers, the writer of the leaked Prime Directive script. I'm sure it's been worked over heavily, and that little Ellen clip, while still Bay-cheesy, was definitely much more refined than the respective scene in the script.
Thanks for stopping by Phategod2 by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 11th, 2007 04:22:10 PM
Be well.
As for the robot designs... by El Mamerro	May 11th, 2007 04:45:04 PM
I think they're fucking amazing. I think people bring valid concerns about them being hard to "read", or not being distinctive enough from each other, but A) We're looking at some very unrealistically lit still images. There's no big shadows being cast and pretty much every corner grabs a highlight regardless of what side it's on. Of course it's gonna look ultra messy. B) In still images, you can't see big chunks moving in relation to each other and there's no motion blur whatsoever. Put that Ironhide design in motion and it will be easy to see what parts belong to the thigh/calf/abdomen based on the movement alone. Bonecrusher is one of the nuttiest "hard-to-read" designs, yet people were able to tell he was skating on the street based on a fraction of a second of body movement. You wouldn't be able to tell that unless you could see what thighs were, what calves were, or even the shoulder tips. These things will read just fine. And to tell you the truth I think the outlines are perfectly distinguishable from one another. I don't know if any of you guys tried it out, but there's a Lunchables site that shows all the robot outlines, and you can easily tell which is which. As a matter of fact, the object of the game is PRECISELY to match parts of the robots to their outlines, and it's super easy. You grab a part, and you immediately know if its an arm or a leg, and who it belongs to. And it's a site for kids, so, if they can do it, I don't understand why some people are having problems with the outlines and shapes of these robots.
This isn't your dad's PUSSY ON OPTIMUS, haters. by Optimus Murphy	May 11th, 2007 04:49:07 PM
Bay isn't making this film for die-hard Gen-1 PUSSY ON OPTIMUS fans who know which transformers have a landing strip and which ones wax that shit. He's making this movie for the casual summer PUSSYBUSTER moviegoer, the one who'll see the trailer and say to his friend "Holy shit, did you see that less blocky and more realistic PUSSY ON OPTIMUS? Clearly that was rendered for more than 30 hours by ILM, and is by far their best work to date."
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Spielberg schmaltz I can handle by zooch	May 11th, 2007 05:50:39 PM
It gives the film balance, so it's not just all explosions, it gives the film heart. Some would consider E.T. schmaltz-y, but it's great. Which is I like the angle of the boy and his car, it reminds me of Iron Giant, which is similar to E.T. I remember the TF cartoon having a human kid character too.
The schmaltz factor isn't as bad as by finky089	May 11th, 2007 05:54:36 PM
the "we wanna be hip" way in which it's handled in TF (at least in the script I read). Spielberg wasn't trying to be 'hip' to teens in ET (I still think that film works well today), nor was it in Iron Giant. Yeah, there was a kid named Spiek in the TF cartoons, but he wasn't lusting after a girl, nor was his "story" about him getting his first car.
zooch-- by zb.brox	May 11th, 2007 06:08:42 PM
Yeah, there was a kid in the cartoon, but he wasn't the star. A transformers movie shouldn't need some teenage putz trying to get a girl to "have heart". The transformers themselves should be likable and well-defined enough to carry the emotional weight of the film. You may recall, ET and the Iron Giant were so successful because those non-human characters were so lovable. The non-human characters here should be the stars.
Right... by El Mamerro	May 11th, 2007 06:13:06 PM
I was referring to the the basic storyline elements. A kid going after a girl and getting his first car isn't "hip", on the contrary, I think it's old fashioned. The "trying to be hip" thing comes out of dialogue, which I agree, sucked major balls on that script. I'm sure there'll still be some of it left after the rewrites, but Bay seems to handle it a bit better, than say, Raimi (cue little kids in SM3 saying "AWESOME!!! WICKED COOL!!!"). That clip of the Duhamel character was one of the worst scenes in the script, yet when I see how it's pulled off in the movie, it doesn't come out half as terrible. Spielberg wasn't trying to be hip to teens in E.T., but he was definitely angling for elementary school hip.
Oh... by El Mamerro	May 11th, 2007 06:18:24 PM
And the heart of ET and the Iron Giant was in how the non-human centerpiece related to the main human character (Elliot and Hogarth respectively). Following that reasoning, the heart of Transformers would have to be Sam and Bumblebees relationship if you'd like the film to have that feel. Looks like it'll be a central point, but not the only one, which I'm glad about.
Embolden... by Err	May 11th, 2007 06:29:08 PM
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could it work though? by zooch	May 11th, 2007 06:29:58 PM
I'm sure it's understood that the Transformer characters must be likeable, and I'm sure they will be. But I'm sorry to say it but I'm not so sure if all-CGI characters would work as the stars of a live-action film, it might has well have been an animated film, which would be less real.
El Mamerro-- by zb.brox	May 11th, 2007 06:30:31 PM
I didn't say I did want that feel, I was using the examples that zooch brought up to show that non-human can have plenty of emotional weight. If you'd like to see non-humans with emotional weight with no human relationship, see C3P0 and R2D2 together, Finding Nemo, Toy Story, pretty much every other Pixar movie, March of the Penguins, and, hell, pretty much any other animal movie. You don't need a face to make a great, memorable character, as Darth Vader and V prove.
Bold by Err	May 11th, 2007 06:30:47 PM
Hi Hi Hi
El Mamerro by LordMaker	May 11th, 2007 06:33:12 PM
From what I have read, Spielberg really wanted to push this idea of a boy and his machine.
zooch-- by zb.brox	May 11th, 2007 06:33:12 PM
After Gollum, Davey Jones, and, hell, Buckbeak the Hippogriff, you're not convinced? As far as I'm concerned, Gollum was the star of the Two Towers. And, hey, let's be honest--CGI metal and paint has always looked better then CGI skin, robots are actually at an advantage there.
Anchorite-- by zb.brox	May 11th, 2007 06:44:33 PM
Scroll up and read the conversation about this. You've gotta trick it. likethislikethislikethis See?
What Makes Me Laugh by MarkoOhNo	May 11th, 2007 06:51:22 PM
Is how Michael Bay keeps saying he wants to make this believable. But, really, there's going to be nothing believable about it due to the screwball script & casting choices they went with. The only question is, which movie will the public find to be a larger disappointment: Spiderman 3 or Transformers? Both look to me to be roughly on par with or just barely below War of the Worlds when they could and SHOULD be SOOOO much better than that. They're mockeries to the films they're capable of being.
When I Say War of the Worlds by MarkoOhNo	May 11th, 2007 06:55:53 PM
I mean WotWINO... the Tom Cruise version. The one with the mindblowing effects but pathetic script and annoying acting. The one which in no way resembles War of the Worlds. Geez. It seems like Hollywood's obsessed with making -INOs.
their have been CGI characters by zooch	May 11th, 2007 07:00:43 PM
But those were singular characters within a large non-cgi cast and arguably not leads. An giant cast of CGI characters has never been attempted, not on this scale. Maybe it could be done, maybe that's what James Cameron is trying to achieve with his film. But this is not that.
Realistic? by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 11th, 2007 07:10:42 PM
This is crazy sci-fi, not hard sci-fi. ........................ The Iron Giant was brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. That's how you take liberties with source material and actually improve on it. ....................... Bay is out to lunch thinking he can make this realistic. The script isn't even realistic - get that right before you start "improving" on iconic designs.......
zooch-- by zb.brox	May 11th, 2007 07:13:49 PM
There are plenty of CGI movies out there, and plenty of movies where actors pretty much greenscreen everything while working with CGI bit-characters. It can be done, and it can be done more easily with Transformers than most other types of characters. There's no reason in the world it shouldn't work. They shelled out millions to see Ewan McGregor act with CGI aliens in Star Wars 2, and this would blow that away without a problem.
Every One Is Missing The Point by Doc Zoidy	May 11th, 2007 07:32:28 PM
Every one is missing the point here. The real question we should all be asking is WHERE THE FUCK IS SOUNDWAVE!!!!!
Another embolden attempt by Err	May 11th, 2007 07:38:17 PM
................... Bold bold bold
Doc Zoidy by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 11th, 2007 07:48:10 PM
He was too cool to be in this film. So they say. He'll be in the sequel though. I say total bullshit. Having him in the flick, no matter how they decide to update him, would have been glorious. Oh wait, the script writers would have botched that concept as well. I won't go on that rant again........
If my memory serves me by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 11th, 2007 07:49:22 PM
I believe Soundwave is mentioned in the script. But I can't recall 100%......
No SoundWave Or Shockwave? by Doc Zoidy	May 11th, 2007 07:55:38 PM
No Soundwave eh ..... That's a frakkin War Crime If they stick him in the sequel i hope ...nay i demand that Stephen Hawking do the voice...... any film geeks out there know if any Micheal Bay film was successful enough to warrant a sequel?
No Cybertron = No Shockwave by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 11th, 2007 07:58:38 PM
Wait, they don't even know who he is...... Maybe he'll be a sub like in Evolutions? They'll certainly puss out on the gun idea......
He wasn't a sub by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 11th, 2007 08:05:11 PM
sorry. Some fan I am. Selective memory. Armored Battle Barge Steamboat.....whatever....too blocky....not realistic enough.....
G1 Shockwave was the ultimate badass by Doc Zoidy	May 11th, 2007 08:05:32 PM
The single light for a face and the laser douche for a hand ruled.
think about this by zooch	May 11th, 2007 08:05:44 PM
Perhaps people would think that a film with the main focus being all-CGI cast of giant robots would not be seem real enough. Perhaps the general public couldn't relate to it. So they add the boy and his storyline to balance it out, add a human touch. If done right it could work.
zooch by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 11th, 2007 08:09:30 PM
IF done right. Not giving you shit. Just saying. A human touch is necessary for a majority of people. Matter of opinion here, but I think they failed with that. In all aspects/facets of "human" characterization. All the human characters in this flick are insipid. Others agree as well.
Yes, I haven't seen it yet by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 11th, 2007 08:10:59 PM
Read the script. Made my decision from that....
this film by zooch	May 11th, 2007 08:16:38 PM
could be being used as a way to reintroduce the transformers to the public, then if successful and as technology continues to improve in the sequels the focus would shift entirely on Transformers.
I'd be down with that by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 11th, 2007 08:19:06 PM
Bring on the REBOOT
zooch-- by zb.brox	May 11th, 2007 08:22:23 PM
As was pointed out, if done right. But Michael Bay giving it the "human" touch? I don't think so. And, for my money, the "human" touch works best when they don't dick around trying to pretend that that human is the main character--see Hellboy. If Spike in this flick were about as much the star as the guy in that, I'd have no problem. If Sam/Spike and Bumblebee were a true team, with Bumblebee being more like Hotrod was in the animated film, I could even see that--but as it is, Bumblebee is frickin' mute. What the hell is that? And I'm not saying there should be no humans in the movie--but this is a flick geared towards teenage males, do teenage males really need the "human connection"? Do they really need the sweet little coming of age arc? Nah, come on. Look at the reaction to Spider-Man 3: People bitched shamelessly about how much Parker was out of his mask, how much melodrama there was, etc. etc. We live in an age where people can latch onto a movie starring a clown fish and go back so many times the damn thing makes 400 million dollars. I can't believe Transformers wouldn't be able to do the same. Hell, look at the ninja turtle movies! The first TMNT starred four guys in green suits with animatronic faces, and it made 135 million dollars in 1990 dollars--that's $210 million today. From a no-name director, no less. You're telling me Michael Bay wouldn't make money with giant robot CGI characters? Seems unlikely...
megatrons pic by Doc Zoidy	May 11th, 2007 08:22:53 PM
his head has the same outline shape as G1 meg's head. But the body is missing the giant fusion cannon which made meg sooooooo coooool. Btw zooch im sure u remember even the cartoons had characters like Spike Witwicky who provided the human balance to the robot mayhem. i think the big worry alot of talkbackers and general fans is that the film is going to be focused on the human characters and with occasional smatterings of robot on robot ultra violence, the same thing which happened in War Of The worlds, sure the martians were there but the vast majority of the film revolved around Cruise and his human issues with his family as opposed to seeing giant alien tripods knocking buildings down and vaporising people. At the end of the day every film needs a 'sensitive side' to its story, however for this film in particular what we need is huge quantities of robot on robot and robot on army ultra violence with a gentle human caress as opposed to a human touch. War of worlds received a human fisting and as a consequence the primary subject material i.e the aliens ended up as more of sideshow than the main event.
war of the worlds by zooch	May 11th, 2007 08:49:57 PM
Wasn't that the point of that movie, it was this family and everything happened around them. Spielberg tried to put a different spin on an alien invasion movie and it didn't work. Actually that whole movie was unnecessary, I don't know what he was thinking. I don't think Transformers will be anything like that.
Doc Zoidy... by nonsensical	May 12th, 2007 12:03:26 AM
Soundwave is now Frenzy. See they felt that if they called him Soundwave people would get pissed... well more pissed. So, they figured calling him Frenzy would be better.
So Frenzy-- by zb.brox	May 12th, 2007 12:15:16 AM
morphs into an iPod mini?
No... by nonsensical	May 12th, 2007 12:21:16 AM
Frenzy is the boombox.
Pawprint... by FuzzyWhisper	May 12th, 2007 02:35:51 AM
It is essential for a filmmaker to know his target demographic. If Transformers is not for the fans, as you seem ever so eager to prove, why the bloody hell is it called Transformers? Why preserve the names and alt-modes of characters children of the 80s grew up with, if not to capture the attention of this audience? I freely admit that the original animated series is cheesy, but let's not pretend it's unusual for people to feel nostalgic about the characters that populate their childhood memories. Transformers, like most cult series and films, for the most part owes its status to the imaginations of its fans. One could produce the most slipshod mythology in the world, but if it spoke to enough people, as Transformers has, it could go mainstream in a snap. Just look at Star Wars. Even its stars were convinced it was trash until ANH was released and the nation united in a simultaneous geekgasm it still hasn't recovered from. The popularity of Transformers and Star Wars share a common catalyst, and it certainly isn't these respective series' literary or qualitative excellence: there's just something about them, something about the way they employ timeless narrative themes or character archetypes, or perhaps even some spark of--dare I say it--originality. Whatever it is, it took root in some small corner of many viewers' minds and never stopped growing. I hope you're not conceited enough to believe (as you implied) that your personal taste is the definitive standard of quality by which all else should be evaluated. You must realize that your distaste for the G1 character designs holds no sway over those tens of millions of people who can identify Optimus Prime on sight, whether or not they've ever seen an episode of the show. The merits of said show could be debated all night long, but the time would be wasted because, justified or not, certain Transformers are and will remain pop culture icons--the crucial qualifier being, only as they appear in the _classic series._ To monkey with an entire generation of filmgoers by slapping a well-known brand name onto a movie that bears only perfunctory relevance (if not any resemblance) to its inspiration is, tersely stated, a very bad idea. This grave miscalculation has already incited mass reactions of confusion, derision and worse, as multiple talkbackers have attested in this session alone. If Michael Bay had such a chubby to make a giant robots movie, the least he could have done was dispense with the disingenuous bullshit. As things are, though, the potentially significant advantages Bay's Transformers may have enjoyed by sticking close to its source material have been squandered by said director's reckless ambition and almost comical misalignment with the ideals of his core audience. The original series' staples have been unceremoniously discarded, succeeded not by elements inspired or innovative, but a contrived "vision" that largely consists of exploitative pap. Regardless, the possibility exists that the film will go on to be financial success. But whatever becomes of it, you can bet your ass it won't come close to meeting its potential, and that's precisely because that core audience I keep referring to has already been alienated. My personal stake in this issue is thin at best. I was a very involved TF fan for around a decade, until my enthusiasm for the franchise waned with the aftermath of the messy abortion some call Beast Machines. When Bay's Transformers was announced my interest was mildly piqued, then it slipped from my attention until a couple of months ago, when I came across a picture of the new Prime. I was...more than a little dismayed by that unholy mess. The latest high res shots only compound my concern. I'll see the film on the big screen, and I fully expect to be entertained, but as I said in my original message, Transformers it is not. What means to the general public will be illuminated by the ticket sales shortly.
Pardon the typo. by FuzzyWhisper	May 12th, 2007 02:41:43 AM
That last line ought to read, "What that means to the general public will be illuminated by the ticket sales shortly."
Fuzzy... by nonsensical	May 12th, 2007 04:04:12 AM
I'd like to point out that only Optimus Prime and Scorpinok retain their alternate mode... barely. Starscream was an F15 not an F22 and no they don't look the same. Ironhide was a Van not a GMC Truck. Bumblebee a VW Beetle not a Corvette. Ratchet was an Ambulance not a Hazmat Humvee. Jazz... Jazz was a freakin' Porshe not a gaddamn Pontiac Solstice. Brawl was a Tank not a Police Car that was Bonecrusher was a bulldozer not an armored vehicle. Blackout was a Bomber not a helicopter that was Vortex. Frenzy was a microcassette not a boombox that was Blaster. Megatron was a gun... and later a tank not a tinfoil jet. I'm just saying.
Decepticon police car... by nonsensical	May 12th, 2007 04:05:27 AM
There wasn't one... sorry for the typo.
harryknowlessoldout & nonsensical... by FuzzyWhisper	May 12th, 2007 04:36:32 AM
harryknowlessoldout - I hear that. nonsensical - That alt mode thing was an oversight on my part. Believe it or not, I was aware that most of them were changed. I just had Prime on the brain as I was typing, and of course, as you mentioned, he's still a truck, so.... Anyway, I think my point comes out relatively unscathed: When it was so obvious that the fans would feel shafted, why, in the name of robo-gina diddling Christ, couldn't Bay have just excised any and all Transformers references from his robotic-monsters-from-space movie? He could've called it Twisted Metal, just to piss off all the fans of that series. Har. I mean, for the sake of argument, if I were to accept that the film isn't even partially intended for established fans, it's still reasonable to assume that no one in their right mind would flip the finger to that many people, that many potential customers, on purpose, right? ...Right?
FuzzyWhisper-- by zb.brox	May 12th, 2007 07:51:03 AM
No, but they might callously attempt to cash in on those fans' desire to see the concept they like on screen by bait-and-switching them.
Bait-And-Switch by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 12th, 2007 08:30:41 AM
Indeed. FuzzyWhisper - brilliantly put. I could never construct a diatribe of that nature. I agree wholeheartedly. Well done.
TomBodet by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 12th, 2007 08:39:39 AM
Laughing. Laughing hard. Love the ending with the kid yelling "father, father". Riding off into the sunset. Loved it so much I watched the next clip with Spider-Man battleing The Thing. Ben Grimm never looked better......wow
Well, my excitement for this movie just died by Jack_Crap	May 12th, 2007 09:07:41 AM
Yes, I'm an old and crusty fan of the original cartoon who was excited for a second after looking at the Optimus Prime pic because it brought back memories of the cartoon, but then was horrified as I looked at Starscream, Megatron, Frenzy and the rest. Although, yeah, I'll admit, Jazz does look cool. Since there is nothing faithful to the original Transformers, I guess I can hope for a typical Michael Bay action fluff piece and just hope that this one is a little closer to the Rock instead of Bad Boys, The Island, Pearl Harbor and the rest of his disappointing flix.
Is it me or does this Summer movie season seem by Orbots Commander	May 12th, 2007 09:45:33 AM
particularly lackluster already? Already we have a not terrible but mediocre Spiderman 3, and from what I'm reading about Pirates and Shrek 3, it doesn't look any better. The two flicks I'm left to look forward to are Matt Damon's third Jason Bourne movie and the Daniel Pearl movie, A Mighty Heart.
Also, on topic, Transformers looks 'eh'.... by Orbots Commander	May 12th, 2007 09:46:40 AM
...and it strikes me as rental material.
I'm really hoping-- by zb.brox	May 12th, 2007 10:17:32 AM
That Ratatouille and Order of the Phoenix come through. Both look awesome from the trailers, Brad Bird is the man, and the HP producers liked the director of Phoenix enough to ask him back for 6 already. So I'm hopeful there, but I'm ready for Transformers and Pirates to disappoint.
We need the GO-BOTS movie! by Vi	May 12th, 2007 11:38:07 AM
When's that coming out?
For Boldness Sake by moondoggy2u	May 12th, 2007 12:44:31 PM
(br)......................../b r/ Look, ma, I'm bold.
Goddamnit by moondoggy2u	May 12th, 2007 12:45:58 PM
(br)........................(b r) Look, ma, I'm bold.
Okay, here goes... by moondoggy2u	May 12th, 2007 12:52:41 PM
Bythepowerofgrayskull!!!(br)I have the power!!!!
again... by moondoggy2u	May 12th, 2007 12:54:52 PM
beboldbeboldbeboldbebold(br)pl ease work
crosses fingers by moondoggy2u	May 12th, 2007 01:00:13 PM
closeseyesandprays......(br)pl ease god let it work...
Ahh, the page breaks by moondoggy2u	May 12th, 2007 01:06:30 PM
duh. closeseyesandprays.... .. am I god, too?
son of a bitch by moondoggy2u	May 12th, 2007 01:08:19 PM
closeseyesandprays...... can a god miscount?
what am I doing wrong? by moondoggy2u	May 12th, 2007 01:11:03 PM
beboldbeboldbeboldbeboldI can do no wrong!
YES!!! I Graduated to the Next Level. by moondoggy2u	May 12th, 2007 01:14:28 PM
Thank you, Z.B. You truly turned the tide! NOWLIGHTOURDARKESTHOU R!! Arise, Moondoggy Prime!
Oh, I see. Its the constant characters. by moondoggy2u	May 12th, 2007 01:16:30 PM
Nowlightourdarkesthour!!Arise, Moondoggy Prime!
So, no matter what happens by moondoggy2u	May 12th, 2007 01:18:50 PM
I have to keep track of the characters immediately before the < B R > thingy otherwise,Iwill l ose my power.
Hmmm by moondoggy2u	May 12th, 2007 01:21:55 PM
I may be a rookie in boldness butIwillfigureitoutsoon perhaps sooner than you think.
Okay, I'm done bolding stuff by moondoggy2u	May 12th, 2007 01:28:27 PM
........................It truly is an addicting and awe-inspiring power.
Edgar Wright respects Bay by zooch	May 12th, 2007 01:53:49 PM
He said in an interview that the action in Hot Fuzz was the most challenging thing he's ever done, and that he has alot of respect for Bay.
Bold As Love by JacknChucksLovechild	May 12th, 2007 02:00:16 PM
Gossip and DROOL
Bold As Love ² by JacknChucksLovechild	May 12th, 2007 02:03:25 PM
Nicoleritchiegottaeatmore!BOLD
Bold As Love ³ by JacknChucksLovechild	May 12th, 2007 02:05:13 PM
........................BOLDNE SS PLEEEEAHHHHHHSE
Bold As Love^4 by JacknChucksLovechild	May 12th, 2007 02:13:27 PM
........................ Look, ma, I'm bold.
Edgar Wright is the Man by zb.brox	May 12th, 2007 02:20:59 PM
But respecting someone's ability to do great action sequences isn't the same thing as thinking they can make a really good movie.
AHHH by JacknChucksLovechild	May 12th, 2007 02:26:17 PM
NO SLEEP TILL BOLDNESS (br)........................ BOLDNESS!
AHHH² by JacknChucksLovechild	May 12th, 2007 02:27:15 PM
NO SLEEP TILL BOLDNESS .................. ......
zb.brox by JacknChucksLovechild	May 12th, 2007 02:29:05 PM
Can you explain it again, once and for all? I'm becoming obsessed with the boldness.
transforming machine theory by Branded	May 12th, 2007 02:37:05 PM
To put things simply, Transformers are dated designs. Today, people's general knowledge of technology has improved since, and kids these days are able to see that you can't hide a robot head by flipping it under the hood held together with a couple of screws. Transforming technology needs to be advanced to the point where lots of smaller moving parts rearrange themselves internally to form a new part. For example, the car engine can't be a standalone system, but part of a fluid series of smaller technologies rearranged in a certain state to create propulsion. When transforming to a robot, the so-called "engine" is split and parts of it merges with the so-called "hydraulics" to become a weapon, for example. Mr. Bay and his writers could introduce a micronization theory to justify these complex designs. The idea is that the evolution of technology is going in the direction of controlling and altering smaller and smaller objects to produce more powerful effects. Nanotech is only the beginning of this possibility. If we can control and alter at an atomic or sub-atomic level, then we become gods, capable of rearranging the basic fabric of our existence. The Transformers represent the first major step of evolution and the conflicts that has risen from it. But I don't think Mr. Bay is capable of going this deep... On another note, the best robot footage so far has been Armored Core 4. I strongly recommend Mr. Bay take a look at it.
Just got off the phone with Bruce Willis by Phategod2	May 12th, 2007 02:37:08 PM
"Bay Would have ruined DH4. Few people will work with him now, and I know I will never work with him again." - Walter B. You gotta love this shit.
I wonder... by nonsensical	May 12th, 2007 02:38:23 PM
Does this work with spaces? I doubt it, but maybe. Anyway, as not to waste this post, I agree with the post Fuzzy, and I think that the reason talkbackers like Yackbacker are no longer here is because there is no reason to fight anymore. This film sucks and should be called something else but it's just too late. Transformers will have to be redone in ten years or maybe even done with a splinter film series called Generation 1, but it will be a while since this one will be so bad.
hey, jacknchucks, just to save you the time by moondoggy2u	May 12th, 2007 02:39:35 PM
after the message you wish to type, hit the space bar, then use the (br) break, cept angle bars istead of perenthesis, and type twenty four characters, then do the (br) break thingy, and type what you want. ZB--congratulations on figuring out the pussle. You are obviously a very intelligent fellow and I take my hat off to you. And you have nothing to appologize for, ZB--it was an interesting puzzle, after all. ........................Just to stay on topic, Prime would have looked much, much better without the flames, with more centered eyes, and a slightly bulkier chest.
Now, ZB, if you can only figure out by moondoggy2u	May 12th, 2007 02:42:12 PM
........................How to find a spell checker!!!
And Vern was on the other Line by Phategod2	May 12th, 2007 02:50:51 PM
That said, I am with you, that movie looks like fucking garbage. Michael Bay to me symbolizes all the worst things about modern movies and the world, and ARMAGEDDON is so bad it left scars on cinema history that might never heal. I thought that guy had the worst editing and camera placement anybody had ever come up with, but with TRANSFORMABLES he might be taking it to a new level: I can't even tell what's going on in the fucking still photos! Is that a head, is that legs, I don't know it just looks like ten thousand computer simulated car parts having a huge orgy.-Vern I can't wait for his review. If onky he was a TF fan we could get a professional rant. is there any Staff member under the age of 35.
By the way, Box, is it? by moondoggy2u	May 12th, 2007 03:29:45 PM
Funny that I've never seen you before. I hope you've forwarded my name to the admins as well, dickhead, because ultimately, the bold posts only took up a fraction of this tb. Furthermore, our reaction to BSB's rather innocuous stumble into bold text was innocent, as were our equally innocent reaction to puzzle it out and make use of it. No one was getting harmed and yet you feel the need to harrass those that participated, myself included. Hell, if you're a regular, which I sincerely doubt, you'd know that ZB, BSB, and myself are regs who have participated on these threads countless, countless times and with no malice intended. Get off you high horse, kid, and lighten up a bit. If you think this thread is bad/broken (which it isn't--yet) then you probably haven't been here for more than a month or two. I've seen threads that were thousands of posts long and completely off topic. Oscar night anyone? A few dozen posts on the accidental discovery of bold text is hardly even a comparison. In fact, I've seen more posts on how to use page breaks than bold text. What I'm trying to say, Box, is: ........................grow up, stop being a grumpy bastard, and let the kiddies have their fun.
Phategod by moondoggy2u	May 12th, 2007 03:38:37 PM
You may be on to something--the reason most of the staffers dislike TF is because they arent young enough to have been enthralled by the franchise when it came out. True, there are fans who are in their late thirties/early forties (myself included), but it seems the best fans are in the late teens to early thirties bracket, doesn't it? ........................Still, young or old, only an absolute moron could possibly think the designs as anything other than OVERLY-designed. I suspect the ADD-addled mind of Michael Bay at work. ....................... Which reminds me that its time to take my medicine. ;)
box by PROF IKAMONO	May 12th, 2007 03:49:36 PM
........................another word for cunt innit?
congrats, prof by moondoggy2u	May 12th, 2007 04:00:59 PM
Its a little hard to figure out, at first, isn't it? ........................But its worth the effort .......................and that is my best effort at turning it off.
Michael Bay....more like Michael Gay!!!! by mrtwig48	May 12th, 2007 04:11:27 PM
Word.
HeWhoCannotBeNamed by ONEHATE	May 12th, 2007 04:39:19 PM
It's nice to have another Dwarves fan here.
BAY'S MISTAKES ARE GREATER by BRUTICUS	May 12th, 2007 04:56:10 PM
As I said in the spidey thread... Yes Raimi admitted to not "getting" Venom" but atleast he got the OTHER characters right. Unlike Bay At least Raimi gets all the other characters and gives them the respect they deserve. Bay didn't want to do Transformers, cause it was about toys, he didn't want to do a toy movie. He's admitted that. Just as Raimi has admitted he doesn't ike the venom character and why Venom wasn't half as cool as the other incarnations i've seen of him. I'm no spider-man fan, I like the movies but i've always thought Venom was the coolest thing about Spider-Man. Raimi may not agree but he couldn't deny the fans and had to put him in somehow. Even if he wasn't going to commit to it. Just as Bay has went and made a Transformers movie even though he never bothered to try seeing just what it was that the fans love about these characters. My call out to directors would be for them to start hiring more consultants. Pull your heads out of your asses and if you're doing a movie where you don't quite feel the excitement that a fan does. MAKE YOURSELF FEEL IT. Figure it out. Talk to the fans. MAKE IT PART OF YOUR JOB. To bring to the screen the expectations of what anyone who is seeing a Transformers movie or a movie with Venom in it are expecting. ........................< BR> Bay you really could have had something cool here but you let your ego get in the way. THAT IS YOUR FAULT. You messed up. The boxy, rigid (STURDY) designs would have left a lot of people happier and you'd actually have people rooting for you here! Instead you threw the baby out with the bathwater.
Has bay ever made a good movie anyway? by ONEHATE	May 12th, 2007 05:03:41 PM
At least we get more toys this way. I could drop a few K's at toyrus these days.
Transformers?!?! by Violator90	May 12th, 2007 07:43:53 PM
I printed out the pictures these designs and showed some co-workers who are somewhat of TF fans. Not one could tell which robot was which. Hell, at one point I got confused as to which one was Jazz, Ironhide and Blackout. These TF look nothing like "robots in disguise" they look more like something out of Star Wars prequels. Some one nailed it on the head: what is General Grievous doing in the Transformers movie. That is what ALL of them look like; different designs of Grievous and nothing more. First Spidey is shitted on and now Transformers?! If Bay didn't want to do this movie why give it to him anyways?!?! I bet there are many directors in Hollywood that DO know about Transformers; both the show and the comic and would have done a 100% better job that what we are actually going to get! Hollywood better start doing things right and LISTEN to the fans and to those that know the materal and want to do it right. This is going to suck more that suits on their knees.
I just came to learn to BOLD by Napoleon Park	May 12th, 2007 08:25:27 PM
but it is too complex for my unfrozen cavemen brain. I can grasp lesserthan-pee-gr8r for peregrins, but twentyfour dot then twentythree nospace lessBRmore count no break enterspace baffles my waffles and for what, just to boldface nippleson+lipflame? blah blah blah. But I will say, those big robot pictures look like something drawn by a speedfreak with a 3-D drawing program. Must be a bitch to animate, like inking a George Perez costume design. Do the kids still say speedfreak or should I use a meth reference?
Bold is fun... by PROF IKAMONO	May 12th, 2007 09:10:14 PM
...but italics is what I wants! Curse these evil asterisks!!!
Moondoggy-- by zb.brox	May 12th, 2007 09:11:39 PM
Thanks for the defense, man, I appreciate it. ........................ Enjoy the bold.
ONEHATE by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 12th, 2007 10:20:12 PM
What's up? Are you part of the TINO camp or are you paying to see how Bay's "vision" pans out? It's cool whatever your answer is. Just curious. Be well.
BRUTICUS by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 12th, 2007 10:26:01 PM
Well said. If it's stupid then why direct it? Where's the passion for your craft? Oh, wait, it's all about money and box office. I guess I am an elitist, pretentious prick for mentioning art. ........................ Bay you really could have had something cool here but you let your ego get in the way. THAT IS YOUR FAULT. You messed up. The boxy, rigid (STURDY) designs would have left a lot of people happier and you'd actually have people rooting for you here! Instead you threw the baby out with the bathwater. ....................... Get some and give some.
Now... by Johnno	May 12th, 2007 10:26:37 PM
test 1 2 3 ........................ yea?
rrrrr... by Johnno	May 12th, 2007 10:28:35 PM
arhg sfa kdfls sfafkjshyuib sfsfaggagdga ........................ test
arhg sfa kdfls sfafkjshyuib by Johnno	May 12th, 2007 10:30:00 PM
arhg sfa kdfls sfafkjshyuib sfsfaggagdga .............. .......... test
must... by Johnno	May 12th, 2007 10:30:09 PM
arhg sfa kdfls sfafkjshyuib sfsfaggagdga .............. .......... test
why? by Johnno	May 12th, 2007 10:32:13 PM
c;mon concentrate, focus, free your mind run forrest ................... ..... run
I still think the mock tests by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 12th, 2007 10:33:06 PM
or whatever they are labeled on Sector Seven work. Grimlock and KickBack look cool. Yes they look exactly like giant toys, but take a few liberties (Revoltech 'em) and they work. That's just me though. I guess the teenage boys who Bay claims to make his movies for will love these garbage heaps. Fo Reals! Whoosh! For those of you who haven't peeked at it, here it is. http://tinyurl.com/36gxr w Just click on the red hard drive in the upper left hand corner. Document one is Grimlock and document three is KickBack.
better without the space by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 12th, 2007 10:34:18 PM
http://tinyurl.com/36gxrw
testing moondoggy's by Johnno	May 12th, 2007 10:35:01 PM
ncluded), but it seems the best fans are in the late teens to early thirties bracket, doesn't it? ........................St ill, young or old, only an absolute moron could possibly think the designs as anything other than OVERLY-designed. I suspect the ADD-addled mind of Michael Bay at work.
maybe... by Johnno	May 12th, 2007 10:37:20 PM
Its a little hard to figure out, at first, isn't it? ........................Bu t its worth the effort .......................and that is my best effort at turning it off.
err by Johnno	May 12th, 2007 10:39:00 PM
Its a little hard to figure out, at first, isn't it? ....................... . But its worth the effort
Sigh... by Johnno	May 12th, 2007 10:42:25 PM
I fail at bold... 242424242424242424242424 Will I ever be a man?
By Jove! by Johnno	May 12th, 2007 10:45:00 PM
I think I've got it! Bythepowerofgreyskull...HE-MAN!!!
Took me forever to figure it out by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 12th, 2007 10:48:33 PM
Learning impaired I guess. ........................ If I can do it, anyone one can do it. ....................... Soldier on Gentlemen/Ladies.
thanks be to by Johnno	May 12th, 2007 10:51:26 PM
z.brox and moondoggy nowwithgreatpowercomesgrea tresponsibility and am I now ready to .......................unb old?
thanks be to by Johnno	May 12th, 2007 10:53:30 PM
z.brox and moondoggy nowwithgreatpowercomesgrea tresponsibility and am I now ready to .......................unbold?
thanks be to by Johnno	May 12th, 2007 10:54:57 PM
z.brox and moondoggy nowwithgreatpowercomesgr eat responsibility and am I now ready to .......................unb old?
hmmm by Johnno	May 12th, 2007 10:57:22 PM
okay... ........................ bold and not bold?
I know this is probably not a welcome opinion by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 12th, 2007 10:57:27 PM
But I watch an inordinate amount of anime. A lot of it happens to be of the mecha genre. What the hell is wrong with all of those designs? They all work and are not even remotely as ornate as these TINO abominations. WETA seems to be on the right track with their EVA designs (if that project ever comes to fruition). Anyone see Gunhed? Even that crapfest did it right. Whoever you choose to blame, they failed with these. Yes, ridiculously "detailed" and technical. No, they don't look cool. There was a happy medium to meet half way. They could have retained the iconic designs whilst updating them and making them "work". Whatever. ........................ Bring on the REBOOT!
again... by Johnno	May 12th, 2007 10:58:45 PM
okay... ........................ bold and ........................ not bold?
Who's Tino? by ONEHATE	May 12th, 2007 11:00:32 PM
Not that I give one shit or two.
twt by Johnno	May 12th, 2007 11:03:15 PM
okay... ........................ bold and .................... .... not bold?
moondoggy2u by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 12th, 2007 11:04:05 PM
My wife loves your handle. Double entendre. When's that widescreen version of Gidget coming out? She needs her 255 ratio!
Test by Dolph	May 12th, 2007 11:04:28 PM
Test yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy Hmmm
damn... enough for now... by Johnno	May 12th, 2007 11:04:37 PM
but... someday...
Was it 2.55:1 or was it 2.35:1? by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 12th, 2007 11:05:08 PM
Matters not.
ONEHATE by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 12th, 2007 11:11:18 PM
TINO, MINO, GINO Transformers In Name Only Megatron In Name Only Godzilla In Name Only It's what Camp Hate refers to Bay's film. Pisses some Bay/Murphy apologists off since all they want is Big Fuckin Robots Blowing Shit Up accompanied by Big Box Office (irrelevant). You know, a fun popcorn flick. How dare we ask for a decent story, well crafted characters and a little topical allegory. It is a movie based on a toyline after all. Wonder why the franchise has lasted for over two decades? It isn't solely due to the cartoon/commercial which I never thought was that great. That just got shit started......
I've been Saying This is job for WETA by Phategod1	May 12th, 2007 11:38:28 PM
for months. Weta is great at bring things to life "Except for a few scenes in King Kong". WETA would do a awesome job at animating "Blocky" designs.
Phategod1 by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 13th, 2007 12:06:22 AM
I know you've been saying it. Curious - What did they fail at in King Kong? You threw in some quotes there so maybe you don't believe they did? Perhaps others had complaints. Please, sir, elaborate.
Poll: Is Yoko a Golddigger or a Chubbychaser? by Moniker Jones	May 13th, 2007 12:36:21 AM
share your opinions in your own talkback post!
Thanks, HeWhoCannotBeNamed by moondoggy2u	May 13th, 2007 12:44:13 AM
I think you are the only person to ever notice the (very)slight sexual reference. Most people assume, and correctly, that Im implying that my name is moondoggy to you. The sexual reference sorta occurred to me AFTER I used the name in other sites. Funny enough, my wife got it right off the bat, too. Wanna know why I use moondoggy? My wife looks very much like Sally Fields. Also, I like to surf the net. And I like the sexual reference. All in all, a good name, I must say. ........................Thanks for noticing and getting the slight reference.
TF designs by huggerorange	May 13th, 2007 12:46:12 AM
Screw the early designs, how could they even use them for a movie like this, itd be way too cheesy. The G1 designs were awesome in the cartoon and toy form for the most part, you cant deny that.But, I just dont see the harm in trying to update the look of the robots. Everyone just needs to wait until the movie comes out and then make judgements. If you go to wikipedia and type in the search "Transformers film" youll find are all kinds of details there and plotpoints.. eventhough Im sure a ton of people have already done this.
.. by huggerorange	May 13th, 2007 01:18:40 AM
why wasnt Arcee used in the transformers film?.she was a hot ass robot in the cartoon series, i bet rodimus boned her.
ganymede2010-- by zb.brox	May 13th, 2007 09:23:52 AM
They wouldn't make simple geometric designs, but I highly doubt they'd make designs like the ones presented here--i.e. pointlessly busy and ugly as sin.
Why The Hate????? by freemind	May 13th, 2007 10:02:07 AM
Why does everyone seem to hate Bay?? Yeah, I know he's never gonna win an oscar, but his movies are fun. Bad boys 1 and 2 were great, Armegeddon was great and i'm sure transformers will be great. I don't know about you but i go to the movies to be entertained and every movie can't be "pan's labirinth". Even great directors make shitty movies (take the puke-filled-crap fest that was deathproof) so give bay a chance and i know damn well that no matter how much you hate the pics, the director, prime's lips, shia or anything elses about the movie, you all will be there on opening night and will hepl this movie make the $100+ million it's first opening weekend, and don't try to deny it, the fact that you're here, on the talk back, proves it.
Why The Hate????? by freemind	May 13th, 2007 10:02:14 AM
Why does everyone seem to hate Bay?? Yeah, I know he's never gonna win an oscar, but his movies are fun. Bad boys 1 and 2 were great, Armegeddon was great and i'm sure transformers will be great. I don't know about you but i go to the movies to be entertained and every movie can't be "pan's labirinth". Even great directors make shitty movies (take the puke-filled-crap fest that was deathproof) so give bay a chance and i know damn well that no matter how much you hate the pics, the director, prime's lips, shia or anything elses about the movie, you all will be there on opening night and will hepl this movie make the $100+ million it's first opening weekend, and don't try to deny it, the fact that you're here, on the talk back, proves it.
The Scenes with the tumbling Diplodocus by Phategod1	May 13th, 2007 11:32:31 AM
That scene looked very fake and I felt removed by the effect.
Other then that scene by Phategod1	May 13th, 2007 11:36:22 AM
I loved the movie and its effects the scenes with bug frak me out more then any horror movie in the past 15 year. That might be because i have a unnatural fear of insects but WTF.
pff... by Fenrisulfr	May 13th, 2007 12:46:19 PM
I'm certainly not a transformers geek, but the design still looks like shit to me. ANd fuck you Michael Bay. You're the dickhead responsible for the crappy way action films are cut and edited today.
This movie's gonna rock!!!! by Reznor	May 13th, 2007 02:24:27 PM
I can't wait to see those robots move!
They all look the same... by PROF IKAMONO	May 13th, 2007 03:42:50 PM
... like something out of Tetsuo... Bad, bad idea... the Original Transformers were designed for immeadiate and easy recognition. Kids could tell who the good guy Autobots and bad guy Decepticons were just by looking. I had to put my cursor on the pics and wait for the label to pop-up before I knew who Ironhide and Jazz were, and if they were Autobots or not. And why do these Hollywood fucktards hate bright primary colours so much? Do they think look "teh ghey" or some assholistic nonsense? Superman Returns dulled down the colours and was still called "gay". If all the Transformers are metal-coloured it's boring to look at them. Are all cars and planes done in shades of gunmetal gray? It hurts your eyes to look at all these sharp angles... this movie will be unpleasant to watch. I think I'll simply watch the cartoons instead.
IF I HAD A BULLDOZER!!!... by PROF IKAMONO	May 13th, 2007 05:09:36 PM
...for some reason, this Bay travesty reminds me of the immortal words of noted curator Flecther Hodges: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =dyBDgUSbs4g of course you must fill any gaps... I wonder if Karl acyually reads AICN? if he showed up, to some Insane Regulars, that would almost be as big as Walker B.! (I am not a regular...but, that must mean.....)
I of course meant as big as Walter B., not... by PROF IKAMONO	May 13th, 2007 05:13:35 PM
Walker B. That was just a Freudian slip of colossal proportions on my part...
Why do so many people hate Bay's TF movie? by Violator90	May 13th, 2007 06:33:51 PM
First, Bay designed transformers that only HE and Spielberg would recognize. Didn't Spielberg say he was a big fan of the TF, and yet everything about this movie seems to indicate that Spielberg actually knows shit about them. Second, Bay never wanted to do this movie but he did it anyways but he pissed on all the previous source material that have made TF so beloved. Granted that he could have updated things way better than to make them ALL look like General Grievous' family members, but still you have a loyal and huge fan base that you MUST consider greatly to. Third, I went on youtube.com to see what I can see about TF and I saw a hell of a lot of better TF samples that were home made or international commercials that just blows away anything that Gay...I mean Bay has done with our beloved Transformers. You can look on this site: http://www.sectorseven.org/rem oteclient.ac1903.html Click on the first document to see Grimlock as he SHOULD have come out. Damn! I wish some one else would have done TF. Doing the TFs in their original forms(yet updated) would have been much more appealing and down right awesome to see. Fourth, this movie is nothing more than Gay...Bay that is; is cashing in with is connection with GM. Bay doesn't give a shit about the product or the legion of fans that follow it. All that this movies is going to do is make Bay a lot of people pissed off at him and at Hollywood. Fucking shit! I'm getting so sick of this shit. Hollywood, you better start doing things right before the people start doing some thing that you will regret, like boycotting your sorry ass movies. Imma go watch the REALLY Transformers movie. Too bad Unicron can't eat these Hollywood assholes.
I myself... by Fenrisulfr	May 13th, 2007 07:47:19 PM
... have already one step into boycotting.
Grimlok by El Mamerro	May 13th, 2007 09:39:38 PM
I seriously can't believe people are still pointing at that Grimlok clip, or even the old Sideswipe and white Optimus clips as examples of what they should have looked like. Are you kidding me? You seriously think that would have been the right approach for the live action movie?
Test. by Pennsy	May 13th, 2007 09:57:19 PM

boldytest (yes I'm so original) by ElPaw	May 15th, 2007 05:40:34 PM
........................This should be bold?

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