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Only 52 More Episodes Of LOST!! 16 Episodes Per Season!!
Show To End in 2010!!

FIRST! by iamnicksaicnsn	May 7th, 2007 12:31:24 AM
HOLY FUCK!
first! by crackler1	May 7th, 2007 12:31:46 AM
Yes! Finally!
LAME! by StanTheCritic	May 7th, 2007 12:32:37 AM
Now this is milking it... 2 24 seasons abc.. Shit this sucks.
suckas by skaminator	May 7th, 2007 12:32:40 AM
suckas, indeed
Now that I got that out of the way... by iamnicksaicnsn	May 7th, 2007 12:34:43 AM
HOLY SHIT! That's total insanity! Are they retarded? I mean, I know there have been a couple of filler eps during the shows tenure, but for the most part it's been so fucking awesome lately, why would they want to cut it down by so many??? I even enjoyed the first six episodes that they showed earlier this season. I mean, this is ABC, not fucking HBO.
Glad those idiots.... by jimmy_009	May 7th, 2007 12:35:51 AM
finally caught on to just how stupid a long hiatus is. Who came up with that to begin with? You're trying to build up nice a pace with the story, then bring it to a complete halt half way through. How could that NOT lose your audience? And yet these brain trusts get paid big, big money to ruin good shows.
This is a good thing. by Coenbro	May 7th, 2007 12:37:42 AM
British TV has produced some great shows. Their season? 12 episodes for dramas, 6 for comedies. Do you yearn for more? Sure, but this means there will be more quality writing. The producers themselves said it was hard to fill out the time, and we could clearly see the cracks this season. This means no more crappy Tales From the Crypt waste of time episodes. Good for them.
16 episodes a year????? by StanTheCritic	May 7th, 2007 12:38:30 AM
What will abc do when the ratings drop even more?
wow. so a major US network show by slder78	May 7th, 2007 12:42:49 AM
goes the BBC route with limited episode seasons. Never thought i'd see the day.
So we're getting 2 seasons worth of eps over 3 years by Dapper Swindler	May 7th, 2007 12:43:06 AM
Not so good news. But what're you gonna do?
Wait, they have changed their minds again... by Alonzo Mosely	May 7th, 2007 12:44:13 AM
50 more years of Lost with one bumper episode each year. You won't believe the shocking revelation in 2024...
I would have rather had the show end in 2009 by PirateEmery	May 7th, 2007 12:46:26 AM
What the fuck is this shit? 16 episodes?! That is 16 characters per season to focus on. 8 characters if you want to do two flashbacks per character. I sure hope that we don't have any more Jack-backs lined up. I would hate to have any of my precious Lost time wasted on that idiot.
re - 16 episodes a year????? by Rantman	May 7th, 2007 12:46:35 AM
"What will abc do when the ratings drop even more?" 8 Five minute "webisodes"- 4 minutes of which are flashbacks with Jack wearing a bad wig.
RE: Rantman by PirateEmery	May 7th, 2007 12:47:18 AM
Right on the money. Baaaad Jack flashbacks haunt this show.
Hmmm... by tristeele	May 7th, 2007 12:50:00 AM
Not to pleased simply because we have to wait a another full year for the finale. Id rather they did 2 extended years without the breaks. But as a few of you mentioned- shorter seasons as the BBC use leads to less filler. Overall these last three seasons should really kick some major ass. Hopefully less flashbacks. Theyve already finished the Locke and Sawyer back stories. No need to really revisit those areas. I'm bored senseless with Kate and Hurley's backstories. Jin and Sun seem to be wrapped as well. Maybe next season will be flashback free.
SPOILER: Jack has a beer and cheets on his wife. by StanTheCritic	May 7th, 2007 12:50:38 AM
Also Kate, Charlie, Sayid and Ben die. Jack is Jacob. They were brainwashed DARHMA members.
Dragging this out for 2.5 more years... by Playkins	May 7th, 2007 12:52:30 AM
That is TERRIBLE news. They need to just do a 32 episode Fall '07-May '09 run and call this goose cooked.
Herc probably didn't know til i posted in heroes thread by FrodoFraggins	May 7th, 2007 12:52:45 AM
Anyway, they probably did it for 2 reasons. 1) Is that the Damon and Co. want more time to flesh out the final 48 episodes. 2) ABC makes a killing on DVD's and can probably charge the same for 16 episode seasons as 24 episode seasons. thus gaining an extra season of sales. But they will be lose $$ on advertising if the ratings keep slipping. All I care is that they don't pull a SciFi channel and screw lost fans like SciFi screwed Farscape fans. For those that don't know SciFi gave a go for seasons 4 and 5 of Farscape but cancelled season 5.
What a bunch of bullshit. by LordEnigma	May 7th, 2007 12:53:06 AM
WE ARE NOT BRITISH, YOU IGNORANT FUCKS! Seriously, the 24 model barely works, because look at the ratings of 24. HEROES got almost a 4 month jump on it, became a phenomenon, and took away a lot of 24 audience. 16 episodes a year damn near guarantees that people are going to give up on this show, wait for the DVDs, and cause a GAPING HOLE in the ABC schedule. This is the death of LOST. Yippe. Fuck the BRITISH model.
Everybody wins by The Selecter	May 7th, 2007 12:58:47 AM
Lindelof doesn't have to squeeze out 24 loaves every season. The viewers hopefully get less filling and more meat. ABC gets an extra year to sell. If they can mostly sustain the level of goodness of the past few weeks, I wouldn't have any complaints.
Wait- HANG ON... by Andyrooskie	May 7th, 2007 01:00:38 AM
So in most every Lost talkback, you guys are bemoaning the fact that we have to put up with so many filler episodes and plotlines that seem made up on the fly... but now that they've set an END DATE for the show and trimmed each season down to only the essentials, you're calling Bullshit? WTF? This is FANTASTIC news.
But they are not going to sustain this level of quality by LordEnigma	May 7th, 2007 01:02:57 AM
It also makes me giggle at the fact that Tim Kring and Co. can produce HEROES with 22 episodes a year. Yet, Damon, needs 8 less episodes to sort shit out? Really? Really? Again, LOST, is completely fucking screwed. Like People want to wait a year for 16 episodes that are over by fucking March. Wow. What a great investment of my time because Damon and Carlton cant work this shit out.
End date was great news. 16-episode seasons... by DarthCorleone	May 7th, 2007 01:07:52 AM
...not so much. What a blatantly obnoxious, thinly veiled excuse to sell a sixth boxset. I just hope the ratings don't fall apart thus cancelling the show before they reach that sixth season, because for network television 36 weeks of hiatus is a LONG time to hold the average viewer's interest.
So each of the remaining seasons will start.. by 2Utah2	May 7th, 2007 01:08:01 AM
in January? B/c they are running 16 straight new episodes for the next three years there will be a hiatus from May to January? That will utterly suck.
LordEnigma by Ribbons	May 7th, 2007 01:20:35 AM
It's interesting that you think this was "Damon"'s call. The executive producers have been saying that they wanted the series to end after 5 seasons for months now. It's not as if ABC cancelled the show and they need time to "figure out" how the story ends. ABC just wants to be able to sell an extra season boxset on DVD by only having to produce 2 more episodes. Or maybe you believe otherwise. Also, ABC produced 23+ episodes of "Lost" a year for 3 seasons, just like "Tim Kring and Co.". When "Heroes" is in its fourth season, come back and tell us all about how the masterful Tim Kring consistently produces 22 straight episodes of all killer and no filler.
Zeppelin Aircraft is the last thing you see this season by StanTheCritic	May 7th, 2007 01:21:05 AM
They are attacked by penny and co.
will BSG outlive LOST? by Boomers_Lips	May 7th, 2007 01:21:14 AM
i think so.
half seasons? piss off, ABC by Sir Loin	May 7th, 2007 01:22:07 AM
I smell DVD money-grabbing and laziness. Yes, laziness. Sure it's tough to film on location in Hawaii, BUT YOU PICKED THE SHOW UP and should deal with it. I loved the show the first 3 seasons, but this announcement make me want the series to tank next year and thus cut it short along with their profits. Piss off, you short-sighted and arrogant network execs, you need to go back to the 60's & 70's to see how it's done. Of course, that would take you away from your Xbox 360 and therapy time. This is how great ideas and creativity get ruined, folks. Take notes and remember it if you ever come up with a great synopsis for a show.
Cough, The Sopranos, Cough by Canada's King	May 7th, 2007 01:25:11 AM
This is no different than any show that has ever run on HBO, or FX, or Showtime, etc. Hell, compared to cable, 16 episodes is downright generous.
did they think this through? by Napoleon Park	May 7th, 2007 01:38:46 AM
Is this really the best posible alternative? I like "straight through seasons" with no hiatus or reruns. But if they start in January the show is done before the May sweeps period. Does this mean no more clip show/recap episodes ever? What number are they up to now? Everyone seemed to think that doing 108 episodes ws a natural, logical plan for this series but it sounds like they're going to overshoot that mark. Is the entire cast good with being contracted for three years and having eight months a year off for other projects? Or will they just kill characters and fire cast members off every time they want a raise or get a DUI? Will the show adapt by being more plot, more action, less filler. Because with conventional pacing we can accept an occasional Paulo and Nikki episode or a Jack's Tattoos water-tread. but if they;re doing BBC scheduling, we ned 16 "Man From Tallahassees" per year. Or 16 "Walkabouts". Will this be spread out over 16 weeks or will there be some two hour season debut/season finale "events". Questions, questions, flooding into the mind of the concerned viewer.
dividing 48 episodes over 3 years. by Boomers_Lips	May 7th, 2007 01:39:40 AM
w0w!
No Filler? by PirateEmery	May 7th, 2007 01:44:17 AM
Are you ABSOLUTELY sure? It would REALLY suck if there was filler in this method...
Unbelievable... by GilesT	May 7th, 2007 01:45:12 AM
So the show HASN'T been cancelled... It's got a definite endpoint, a sufficient distance in the future for them to wrap everything up without it seeming rushed... It's not even got a reduced budget for the remaining seasons... ...and some of you fuckers have STILL found something to whine about.
Too Many! by topaz4206	May 7th, 2007 01:47:02 AM
32 Eps would be better.
I just got off the phone with JJ. Jack kills Locke!!!! by StanTheCritic	May 7th, 2007 01:47:48 AM
You heard it hear first.
so i answer the phone, and its Jack Bauer on the line! by Boomers_Lips	May 7th, 2007 01:52:35 AM
he tells me to keep watching the show or else i will die in exactly 15 minutes. :-\|
wong talkback! by Boomers_Lips	May 7th, 2007 01:53:11 AM
wong talkback!
Just got off the phone with Jo Rowling, by PirateEmery	May 7th, 2007 01:56:32 AM
SNAPE KILLS DUMBLEDORE!! I don't trust you in the least, StanTheCritic.
just got off the phone with Hurley, by Boomers_Lips	May 7th, 2007 02:00:44 AM
he wants me to send lasagnas to the island.
Ok, I just don't get it..... by starwarznut	May 7th, 2007 02:01:28 AM
I've been lurking here for years, but I just now decided to sign up for an account. It may be the rage building inside of me, or the beer, but that doesn't really matter now.... I don't know the average age of the users of this site, but, being 28 years old and having watched a lot of television, it just seems to me that no one, and I mean NO ONE can be pleased with anything, ever. I agree with the above poster. This is no different than HBO, FX, Showtime, etc. You have The Sopranos, Rescue Me, The Shield, Dexter, etc. The networks give these shows limited but effective runs. The arcs pretty much play out and everyone is more or less satisfied with the ending until next season. For some reason on this site, LOST get's crucified. People are never satisfied. Every time I read the talkbacks I'm picturing the Comic Book Guy replying back from his mom's basement. This is one of the best shows on television and no matter what the producers try to do, people just constantly shit on it. Attention all nerds!!!111LOLz EVERY TALKBACK IS THE SAME!!!!!!111eleventyone 1. LOST shows too many repeats. (The producers try to please the fans by showing the series by premiering in January with no repeats, so they don't bitch, but...hey guess what...THEY BITCH THAT THE BREAK WAS TOO LONG) 2. LOST has too many filler episodes. (They producers decide for an END DATE for the series to wrap up lose ends, and according to Ain't It Cool News, ALL THE COOL, AWESOME, OBSCURE, BRITISH SHOWS BOW OUT 10 EPISODES IN TO PRESERVE THEIR STREET CRED....... to satisfy fans, etc. so they decide to shorten the season and eliminate a lot of the filler episodes that aren't really needed for the overall story arc, again to satisfy the fans...but....THEY STILL FUCKING BITCH BECAUSE THE SEASON IS NOW 16 EPS. INSTEAD OF 24. OMFGZ....THERE IS A CONSPIRICYZ TO SELLL MORE BOXSETS OF THE DVDz....LOLz....OMGWFTBBQ....S TFU you fucking losers...) In closing, in my drunken haze, I would just like to tell you guys that since I've been alive, TV has never been better. In the past few years I've learned the wonders of modded Xbox with Xbox Media Center, Bit Torrent, DVR, season passes, HDTV, etc.... I've listened to everyone bitch, whine, moan and complain on this site for the past year about LOST and every single time that the producers actually do what you want, you still STILL find a reason to bitch and complain. They set an end date. They're shortening the seasons to eliminate, hopefully, a lot of the filler episodes to apease you GOD DAMN FUCKING COMPLAINING BITCHING FANBOYS....and also apease the people that bitch about repeats, and also about too long between new episodes in between repeats..etc...you get the idea... TV has never been better. You guys wouldn't be satisfied if LOST did 100 episodes straight, back to back, no repeats, flashbacks of the island, full nudity, every secret exposed (somebody would say it JUMPED THE SHARK, WHICH IS PLAYED OUT...) I'll be here in 3 years listening to people bitch about the state of TV, remembering how awesome that LOST was, even though you did nothing but bitch about it the entire time instead of enjoying it, like I'm doing. //Still bitter about The X-Files... ///Get off my lawn......
i like it by LUZER	May 7th, 2007 02:09:01 AM
So supposedly Cuse & Lindelof had it mapped out for 5 seasons and ABC wanted what, 7 originally? The first two seasons were like 48 episodes, so (in theory) now with three shorter seasons they're not going to have to stretch with filler crap, and we get new LOST for another 3 years? If the last few episodes are any indication, this sounds like good news to me.
LOST..their minds!!! by xeeds	May 7th, 2007 02:13:01 AM
Wow, I can only image the state of collected dementia these people must be in to think this is even remotely a good idea. I know the term jumping the shark is usually reserved for idiotic moves that mark that downfall of a show that actually appear on camera, but I have a visual in my head of a bunch of network execs on water skis about to go off of a ski jump. Does this qualify for a Darwin Award? An act if such monumental stupidity deserves some sort of trophy of shame.
although I have already given up on Lost.. by lionbiu	May 7th, 2007 02:13:31 AM
..this is actually a good thing. Here in the UK we only get 13 episodes for a drama and 6 episodes for a comedy and that means the show is tightly scripted and has no filler. Lost seasons 2 and 3 has been 60% filler so I don't see why cutting it down to 13 episodes a year is a bad thing......it does not need to be 22-24 episodes because it is obvious they can't fill a full season with meaningful storylines.
Just got off the phone with Sayid, by PirateEmery	May 7th, 2007 02:15:05 AM
And he's still bloody amazed that anyone still watches this show.
The difference with Lost and cable shows is... by tailhook	May 7th, 2007 02:24:49 AM
That this repackaging of the show is in order to rape the budget of said show. I also don't buy the story about 'filler' because if you actually have 48 episodes of story you'll only lose 2 episodes to fit them in 46 episodes over 2 seasons. Trust me though.. the budget for this show is getting raped up the ass and it'll be done on the cheap.. which is the main thing that seperates this move from The Sopranos or any other limited run cable show and why its an absolute bullshit move.
I'm with starwarznut by AvonBarksdale	May 7th, 2007 02:25:42 AM
Get off my lawn too! And the modded Xbox Media Center kicks unholy ass.
This means more time for sideprojects. by Shermdawg	May 7th, 2007 02:30:36 AM
Josh Holloway for MGS anyone? logs out
ART vs. COMMERCE by Mogwai Democracy	May 7th, 2007 02:33:57 AM
...usually results in some sort of crappy compromise. I think the way they have it set up now to go 3 years with these mini seasons & long gaps in between is really going to hurt the show. The filmakers original desire (2 more full seasons & then done) was the correct call. ...But of course, ABC wanted to drag it out as long as possible in order to keep that advertising money rolling in, resulting in this weird Frankenstein scenario we have now. With a suspense driven show like LOST, the huge gaps in between seasons are going to really kill whatever momentum they build up. It's a really bad decision but again, you can't really blame Carleton & Cuse for that, blame the suits at ABC.
starwarznut by Ribbons	May 7th, 2007 02:34:51 AM
Your logic doesn't seem to hold up. So they add an extra season... and two extra episodes... and that's supposed to eliminate filler? All it does is potentially fuck up the pacing of the show.
This is good news by ImperialMarchFace	May 7th, 2007 02:44:01 AM
Setting an end date is essential to a show like Lost. Read the article, not just the AICN recap of it. It really goes into WHY this is a good thing. I'm not crazy about waiting from May until January for new episodes, but I would take that over a week-by-week switching between new and old episodes. It's good knowing that once it's on for the season, it's on until it's over with no repeats or anything. Lost is my favorite show on TV and this solidifies the fact that it should, and will, end properly. The sixteen episode seasons from now on sound like they just want the show to be on for three more seasons. Which is understandable. Lost is awesome. This season really picked up after the hiatus following the initial six episodes. This Wednesday's episode looks great. LONG LIVE LOST.
Yeah, I'm the Comic Book Guy. Right. by DarthCorleone	May 7th, 2007 02:58:23 AM
Fuck off, fuckers. I love Lost, and I'm not bitching for the sake of bitching. In fact, unlike many of this show's fans, I loved most of season 2. I am thrilled there is a set endpoint. That is a terrific idea that can't be anything but good for the narrative. But does that mean that this scheduling plan of 16-episode seasons doesn't give me pause and that I shouldn't express that concern honestly? Hell no. Showtime, HBO, FX...do y'all not see the difference there? Those are PAY channels. If Lost were airing on one of those channels, I would not be nearly as concerned. There's quite a bit more latitude there for a 36-week hiatus. That is not broadcast network television that is exceedingly more beholden to the advertising dollars and the fickle taste of America. That is not the medium in which programs get cancelled without being given a fair shot to catch on after only two or three weeks. So forgive me for expressing some concern that Lost - a show with falling ratings this year - might not hold enough of the audience's interest to avoid cancellation. Cancellation and never completing those 48 episodes would be a far worse fate than seeing the show's creators bust their asses and put out the same material at the same rate they have been doing thus far. And, yeah, I'll admit it: as an impatient fan, 9 months between seasons of Lost is going to annoy me a hell of a lot more than 7 months, so there's that factor as well. I think these are perfectly reasonable concerns. Show me a contract guaranteeing that these three seasons will be made, and I'll put up with the extra wait between seasons and withdraw my complaint.
Josh Holloway by AvonBarksdale	May 7th, 2007 02:58:45 AM
I like him for Snake from Metal Gear, but if he was going to play any character named Snake I'd like to see him as Snake Plissken in the Escape from NY remake since they're not using Kurt Russell.
Wow by hktelemacher	May 7th, 2007 03:02:59 AM
Can't believe all the animosity over cutting 8 episodes from each season. If what they say is true, and they're cutting out all the filler and bullshit, then that should amount to a good 8 eps. I'll happily take the hit to avoid more Nikki and Paulo esque shenanigans. It sucks that it's going to take 3 years to wrap up, but at least they're taking steps to see it wrapped up their way and not get their plug pulled before they're ready. That's a move by the show runners for the fans, and if they can appeal to ABC's greedier nature by placating them with promises of more DVD revenue then so be it. Seriously, if what happened to Carnivale a few years back happened to Lost it would be a gigantic slap in the face. This is good news - it means that the endpoint is guaranteed and that there IS an endpoint the writers are building toward, which, when in the thick of season 2, seemed highly questionable. It's nice to see that they're making moves to secure the quality of the show as much as possible.
Wow by hktelemacher	May 7th, 2007 03:03:08 AM
Can't believe all the animosity over cutting 8 episodes from each season. If what they say is true, and they're cutting out all the filler and bullshit, then that should amount to a good 8 eps. I'll happily take the hit to avoid more Nikki and Paulo esque shenanigans. It sucks that it's going to take 3 years to wrap up, but at least they're taking steps to see it wrapped up their way and not get their plug pulled before they're ready. That's a move by the show runners for the fans, and if they can appeal to ABC's greedier nature by placating them with promises of more DVD revenue then so be it. Seriously, if what happened to Carnivale a few years back happened to Lost it would be a gigantic slap in the face. This is good news - it means that the endpoint is guaranteed and that there IS an endpoint the writers are building toward, which, when in the thick of season 2, seemed highly questionable. It's nice to see that they're making moves to secure the quality of the show as much as possible.
Wow by hktelemacher	May 7th, 2007 03:03:12 AM
Can't believe all the animosity over cutting 8 episodes from each season. If what they say is true, and they're cutting out all the filler and bullshit, then that should amount to a good 8 eps. I'll happily take the hit to avoid more Nikki and Paulo esque shenanigans. It sucks that it's going to take 3 years to wrap up, but at least they're taking steps to see it wrapped up their way and not get their plug pulled before they're ready. That's a move by the show runners for the fans, and if they can appeal to ABC's greedier nature by placating them with promises of more DVD revenue then so be it. Seriously, if what happened to Carnivale a few years back happened to Lost it would be a gigantic slap in the face. This is good news - it means that the endpoint is guaranteed and that there IS an endpoint the writers are building toward, which, when in the thick of season 2, seemed highly questionable. It's nice to see that they're making moves to secure the quality of the show as much as possible.
The Other 48 by SuperMikeChu	May 7th, 2007 03:04:59 AM
episodes will resume 1/08.
What DarthCorleone Said by Ribbons	May 7th, 2007 03:05:11 AM
The nature of network television endangers both the production values and the survival of "Lost"; prolonging the show only increases that risk. I am glad that they've announced an end date to the show in advance, and if ABC guaranteed that they wouldn't slash the budget or the show if ratings started to flag, then this news would be fine. However, I don't think they can guarantee either of those things, which makes me nervous that they're attempting to prolong the show.
They're NOT cutting out the filler, though... by Ribbons	May 7th, 2007 03:21:20 AM
Maybe I just don't get it, but let me use an analogy to explain how I see this news: since the executive producers often refer to the structure of "Lost" as similar to that of the Harry Potter series, a comparison to that body of work seems appropriate. Let's imagine that it's 2003. Book 5 has just come out, and Arthur Levine or whoever it is that publishes Harry Potter called up J.K. Rowling while she's working on "Half-Blood Prince." "Hey Jo," he says, "everybody down here was talking about how many copies of 'Order of the Phoenix' were moved opening week, and we're all just pleased as punch at the numbers. SO pleased, in fact, that you're not gonna write seven books... you're gonna write eight! We've heard some complaints about the length of Book 5 though. 800-some-odd pages is a lot for our market to try and digest. So instead of having to come up with a whole new chapter, we're just gonna go ahead and ask you to tweak what you already have into 3 500-page novels, rather than two 700-page ones. That'll cut back on the filler! Oh, and you'll have to re-structure Book 6 so that there's a cliffhanger about 2/3 of the way through, find a way to make the last third of the Book 6 and the first third of Book 7 cohere as a novel, and insert a cliffhanger in there as well, and then just tweak the beginning of the second third of the Book 7 and you've got yourself three complete novels. We really think this is the much more responsible thing to do, both for you and our fans, who you know would like to spend as much time in the magical world of Hogwarts as possible. We're gonna need you to issue a statement about how creatively accomodating we are so that we don't drop your contract. Agreed? Splendid." THIS is why I'm displeased with the alteration from the proposed 5-season arc that was in the news just a few days ago. I'm not "bitching," nor do I live in my "mom (and what happened to dad? Oh, that's right, it doesn't sound as deliciously oedipal if you say "parent's")'s basement," NOR do I blame those tireless producers for this. I just think that, yes, ABC wants to milk as much out of this show as they think is viable. OMG!!!1eleventyone.
Great by aportee	May 7th, 2007 03:27:07 AM
I would rather it end in two seasons, but the 16 episode seasons means for a more tighter season with less filler.
I don't get the bitching over repeats by The Ape Giggins	May 7th, 2007 03:47:41 AM
There were a bunch of episodes I MISSED last season and could not track down any repeat viewings for the life of me. So great, now the repeats are gone but everything is going to be stretched out slowly over three years? Way to go Voice Of The People! Don't get me wrong, I LOVE the show and will watch no matter what but I hope this doesn't do more harm than good.
so i answer the phone, and it's Jacob on the line! by Not The Messiah	May 7th, 2007 03:47:52 AM
16 ep season news SUCKS. Sucks hard.
2010 seems so far away... by tonagan	May 7th, 2007 03:55:50 AM
Then you realize it's only three years. Still, I echo the sentiment that 2009 is better.
Unbelieveable. by buffywrestling	May 7th, 2007 03:59:03 AM
Groundbreaking. Brand new phase for the networks, kids. Buckle up.ÿ
Concrete by newkie brown	May 7th, 2007 04:02:31 AM
I'm dubious about getting invested in network shows these days because of the way that they yank them off the air at the first sign of a dip in the ratings. I won't risk watching anything on the Fox network anymore, for example. So the whole idea of an actual concrete end point to Lost seems very right to me. I just wish that the netwoks had given the same opportunity to all those other great shows that got cancelled before they could complete their stories. Not only that, but with such a excess of mythology that the show has created to tie up before the end, Lost is going to cut down on the (admittedly small) number of filler episodes each season.
DVD Sales? by buffywrestling	May 7th, 2007 04:08:03 AM
The shortened seasons just bumped up the returns, my friends. Smart corporate move. Slick as shit. And I say that respectfully.
SPOILER!!! LOST TO DROP FLASHBACKS by smellmycheese	May 7th, 2007 04:22:18 AM
... err... or not. "Lost to end in 2009!!!!" ... err... actually... "Lost to end in 2010!!! 16 episodes per season!!!!" ... hmm, ri-ght. What's that, you say? A wolf?! Really? A big ferocious wolf?! Well... i'll take my chances. Seriously, the more I read these supposed "scoops", the more i'm thinking that ABC hasn't got a fkn clue what to do with the show or how long it should be milked for. They therefore throw every possible and feasible idea out there and see what the fans reactions are like. Well here's mine - * Conclude (yes CONCLUDE!) the show at the end of its FIFTH season * Ensure there are 108 episodes in the entire series run (no more, no less!) * Don't make the final episode a courtroom drama with 45 minutes of pure exposition serving as a resolution and explanation for the entire series. * Start winding things up gradually - don't just wait 'til the last 5 or 6 episodes of season 5. * DON'T kill off Locke, Sayid, Jin or James Ford before nearly the end (if at all) * DO give Claire more to do other than just cradle that fkn baby. * PLEASE do us, yourselves and the series proud - 5 years is a long time to wait to find that EVERYBODY else, who gave up on Lost long ago, probably did the right thing
i love the shield by Halfbreedqueen	May 7th, 2007 04:24:04 AM
shield only has 10 eppies this season. :-( 16 would be amazing.
New Idea by HornOrSilk	May 7th, 2007 04:24:54 AM
Make it 6 episode series, and have last until everyone is tired of the show. Of course I was bored with the concept since pre-production.
(Message Ends.) Additional... by smellmycheese	May 7th, 2007 04:36:50 AM
Article reads... Lindelof and Cuse had wanted "Lost" to end after two more seasons. They're essentially still getting their wish: The 48 episodes they'll produce over the next three years is the same number the show produced during its first two seasons. "In making this deal, Damon and I had two priorities: defining an end point for the show and keeping the quality bar high," Cuse said. "To do that we are both fully committed to the day-to-day running of the show right up until the very end. It's also why the 16 episodes per year was key for us. Because our show is so mythological, and because, unlike '24,' we can't reset each season, we need the extra time fewer episodes affords us to really plan out the specifics of our storytelling." Well if that's the case, and it really is a Lindelof and Cuse compromise, then I'm all for it I guess. Hopefully having the extra time will enable them to write and produce some very strong episodes which'll give us and the show the resolution we deserve.
all along by emeraldboy	May 7th, 2007 04:37:41 AM
JJ abrams and company have said this was a 5-6 year show.
16 episodes? So what? by Fenton Meiks	May 7th, 2007 05:02:54 AM
The thought of another 3 seasons of pointless flashbacks, zero character development, and nothing happening doesn't fill me with joy. I don't even enjoy it now. Why do I keep watching it? Why do I bother reading Lost talkbacks and posting comments about it? Damn...
Wow by rosasaks	May 7th, 2007 05:10:15 AM
I posted above without being logged in. Didn't know you could do that! Anonymity on the internet will never catch on....
It's not that hard to understand... by Dapper Swindler	May 7th, 2007 05:41:21 AM
We want to see more Lost episodes faster. Waiting isn't fun. Do you follow me? Now they are saying they want to stretch 2 seasons over 3 years. That means we'll have to wait longer than we expected (2 years). We wish we could see them all in 2 years, but now we cannot. That is why we are upset. That is why we are bitching. 8 episodes a year for six years would be even worse. See how it works? Make sense now? Do I need to dumb it down a shade?
Lost Lite - now with 27% less episodes? by newc0253	May 7th, 2007 05:43:57 AM
sure, it means they get to cut at most 6 episodes worth of filler material. But for those of us who have attention spans longer than an 8 year old, it's a shame that it means less slow-burning story arcs (excuse the mixed metaphor). Maybe the writers think they've got to a point where suspenseful slow development is more of a hindrance. But it'd be a shame to see one of the greatest TV shows ever in my book - switch from Lost to Lost Lite, now with
deciphering the Variety article: by newc0253	May 7th, 2007 05:57:11 AM
first of all, i never get bored of being irritated at Variety's stupid fucking writing style ('skein', 'prexy', 'reup', etc). Secondly, it smells to me like the Lost guys pitched 48 episodes in 2 seasons to ABC, but the network were desperate to keep the show on air as long as possible, so they agreed to the same amount of episodes across 3 seasons instead. The problem is that it distorts the story they were obviously planning to write: despite a constant number of episodes, a story told across 3 seasons will have fundamentally different arcs than a story told across 2 seasons. I fully support the fixed end date, I just hope the 3 mini-season structure doesn't hurt the story they want to tell.
what's the four toed statue everyone is talking about by RokurGepta	May 7th, 2007 06:17:55 AM
is it something from a future episode, or just something I forgot from a past episode?
What Ribbons said: by newc0253	May 7th, 2007 06:25:44 AM
i just reread through the thread, and Ribbons put it best with his Harry Potter analogy: cutting the last two HP books into 3 books will mess with the structure.
isn't there only Harry Potter Book left by RokurGepta	May 7th, 2007 06:31:43 AM
and it comes out in July, right?
how could you forget the giant four toed statue? by newc0253	May 7th, 2007 06:32:19 AM
the season 2 finale - Jin, Sun and Sayid are sailing Desmond's yatch around the island to rescue Jack, Kate, Sawyer & Hurley. On the way, they see the remains of a giant statue, with only the foot still standing. Sayid comments that he's not sure which is more disturbing - that the rest of the statue is missing, or that it only has four toes.
Ribbons... by LordEnigma	May 7th, 2007 06:45:07 AM
Read the excerpt posted in this talkback. I am sorry, but if you have been writing a show for 3 years. Yet, you need more TIME to figure out where the story is going after all this time...reveals the rather less than astonishing fact that these guys have been making shit up as they have gone along. If they need more time to be more creative, then I am all for it. However, the amount of time in which we have to wait for 16 measley episodes is truly a grand fuck you to the fans. Since we now have have a season coming up that we will get into only to have it END before it gets going. Again, this idea, is a totally backward move on the part ABC, Damon, and Carlton's part. I have no problem with waiting. However, I do have a problem with bullshit movies geared at prolonging something to the point of idiocy.
newc0253 by RokurGepta	May 7th, 2007 06:50:12 AM
ok now it kind of rings a bell, thanks :) Does anyone have a screencap of the four-toed statue to help re-fresh my memory even more? please and thanks :)
Good for the cast? by jocutus	May 7th, 2007 07:02:44 AM
I assume this allows the cast to keep commitment to the show while also giving them opportunities to do other work between seasons. They'll finally have a chance to cash in on the fame the show has brought them without having to be killed off. If the quality of the semi-seasons are as good as the recent episodes I'm all in favor of the change.
Um, people are COMPLAINING about this? by brokentusk	May 7th, 2007 07:12:37 AM
This is such a great idea I don't even know where to begin. Firstly - Cuse is right when he stated: "I think for story-based shows like 'Lost,' as opposed to franchise-based shows like 'ER' or 'CSI,' the audience wants to know when the story is going to be over," Cuse wrote. "When J.K. Rowling announced that there would be seven 'Harry Potter' books, it gave the readers a clear sense of exactly what their investment would be. We want our audience to do the same." I LIKE the idea of knowing when the show is ending. Secondly, the fact that the show will no longer have breaks between episodes is fantastic, there is nothing worse than having to wait months for the story to continue. Thirdly, the seasons are now 16 episodes - correct me if I'm wrong here, but weren't a lot of you bitching about the fact that LOST has some episodes that don't take the story anywhere? If that's how you feel, how can you honestly bemoan the fact that they've shortend the seasons so that that DOESN'T HAPPEN and they can concentrate on the actual story? Not to mention the fact networks like HBO and Showtime have 12 episode season for most of their shows and they manage to wrap up storylines perfectly (I'm looking at you ROME, DEXTER, RESCUE ME, THE SHIELD, NIP/TUCK, THE SOPRANOS, WEEDS, etc. This is a great thing, thank you Damon and Carlton for pushing for this - you did good by your fans!
Thank you ABC executives for killing lost... by knight6667	May 7th, 2007 07:21:56 AM
So, Abc executives...when you plan to go on a 7 month hiatus and then come back for 16 episodes next february do you really think any one is going to remember what is going on with your show?...should have just done 2 years of 25 episodes and ended it it with grace...now everyone is going to complain how lost's ratings drop for the next 3 years instead of the next 2. This is the dumbest scheduling move you have ever made. Yes, ill still watch the show next february when it comes back on, but like everyone else I will not understand or remember what is going on. 3 years of 16 episodes=bad idea...nice job on killing a one time hit show...
they promised 5 seasons by Mr_X	May 7th, 2007 07:29:18 AM
now it's 6, yes i know its less shows, but it menas another year to end this saga. bullshit. two morw years seems attainable, 3 more years? fucking hell, its been 3 years since the series started, i dont think any of us can actually wait that long. you know thoose greedy sobs only enteneded it for the money.
UPN originally promised only 5 seasons for smallville by RokurGepta	May 7th, 2007 07:31:08 AM
and it's 6th season is just about to end.... Everything changes....
Ribbons by moners	May 7th, 2007 07:37:16 AM
Problem with HP books was actually that Rowling was told to write them in a more accessible way to transfer to film. Thats why Half Blood Prince was utter bollox. It was too predictably cheesy and too Hollywood.
I thought they would go for 108 episodes by NetProphet	May 7th, 2007 07:54:35 AM
so we get an extra 10 or so (I believe this season's finale is episode 70 + the next 48).
My old prediction... by biggles2_22	May 7th, 2007 07:57:47 AM
...stays the same. LOST will be done by the end of 2008. The last hiatus has almost killed the show. The ratings (A18-49) v. cost ratio are on the breaking point right now. IGNORE ME!
Lost will be gone way before then by Pdorwick	May 7th, 2007 07:59:02 AM
I think the show will be cancelled well before 2010. Stretching this for another 3 years? No one will be watching after next season, believe me.
ATTN! ADD-adled fucks (right-on Van Buren!) by turketron	May 7th, 2007 08:00:00 AM
OMG, that was beautiful man. I don't get these morons either. "Waah I won't remember what's going on when the show starts up again!" WTF are you serious? Do you have the attention span of a 2 year old? Ever watched The Shield? The Wire? Ever read a series of books like The Dark Tower? Ever watched the sequel to a movie a few years later? Come the fuck on. Maybe they're just pissed that they can't come and whine on the talkbacks that "they don't have an ending for this show" cry "buh.. but.. teh fillerz!" These miserable fucks aren't happy unless they have something to complain about. And I love Heroes, but how can you compare a show finishing its 1st season to one that's finishing its 3rd? You lames will be complaining next year, I guarantee it. I've already seen some say, "The show is over once they stop NY from blowing up... there's no other story they can do!!1!1" Really? Thanks for the crystal ball predictions, shitheads! Agghh. This place makes me nuts sometimes.
I have been saying this shit since day one! by Mr. Profit	May 7th, 2007 08:01:40 AM
Fuck, it's about time. Lost should run like a cable show like Nip/Tuck. Only air non stop shorter seasons. That shit always works. Look at this 2nd half of the 3rd season. It's been really good. Only sucky episode was the Jack Tattoo episode. But it's about damn time. 16 episodes give them around 14 million more in the budget to play with each season. Because doesn't it cost 2 point something million to make one episode? This is good. I'm glad. Now change the timeslot because at 10PM I'm nearly half asleep.
Honestly, this news... by GOB Adama	May 7th, 2007 08:12:15 AM
...Is only as good/bad as the episodes themselves will be. If we get a tight, high-quality 16 episodes a year... then this is good. If we still get padding then this format will flop. Simple as that, really. Sorry, to prop up such a silly notion as reason. Personally, I have been fond of the fillers that give an insight into a characters personality and motivation, that having been said, I feel like we know 75% of the Losties as well as we need to. Then again, if there are characters dying and being added, that whole format could be reset. We will see.
Speaking for ADD-addled f*(&s everywhere... by biggles2_22	May 7th, 2007 08:17:13 AM
"Lighten up, Francis"~Sgt. Hulka. Unlike movies and novels. Television is an instant gratification medium. (Well, movies are too to a certain extent.) Television also has double digits of competitive counter-programming at any given time. One would argue that the negative TB's being posted here are simply, the rantings of people who genuinly care for a show and are voicing their concerns (sometimes misguided) over where the show is headed. The opposite of Love is not Hate, it's Indifference. And that was your Deep Thought of the Day, by Jack Handy.
GOB Adama, I agree by turketron	May 7th, 2007 08:19:06 AM
I also hope that the 16 yearly episodes will be tight and high quality. I think this year's 16 episode run has been really good (sans the tattoo episode and the Hurley's van ep). Hoping they do just as well with the next 3 years.
personally, i'm glad by BLWiseass	May 7th, 2007 08:21:32 AM
i love Lost and i love that this will allow them to really focus on telling the story. I think the shrotened seasons is one of the reasons why the shield has maintained its quality throughout its entire run
Great news! I LOVE LOST! by Frank Black	May 7th, 2007 08:24:38 AM
Honestly, I could watch it for years but am glad to see some flexibility by a major studio and a different view on how serial tv can be produced. All good things must end and Lost will be remembered as one of the greatest shows ever!
Anyone remember an Inteligent show called Sports Night by RokurGepta	May 7th, 2007 08:24:40 AM
It was funny, witty, and it was about a group of people who worked behind the scenes producing a sports news show. I don't really follow sports that much, but that show was FANTABULOUS, unfortunately do to it being too intelligent for the general masses, it was misunderstood, unwatched and therefore canceled.
They'll never make it by PackyMcCracken	May 7th, 2007 08:31:57 AM
This show, as good as it still is, has been losing steam for viewers who aren't dedicated watchers. If they put in a 7 month gap between season, people will fill that hole with other shows and may not come back until they see that it is truly coming to an end. But they will have probably lost too many viewers to make their revenue goals and will never make it to 2010. Look at what's happened to the Sopranos over the years. While my gut tells me this final season has been up in ratings (it's been fantastic), I know that they've lost viewers since season 3, but they are also not dependent on ad revenue. I'll watch until the end - unless something really stupid happens and the show really takes a turn for the worse. But I'd rather see them finish in 2 regular seasons than gamble they will be able to hold people's interest for three more years. And while Van Buren is right about quality writing, the big difference between The Wire and LOST is that LOST is a mystery and mysteries need resolution. The Wire doesn't keep anything from the viewer.
Numbers by supertoyslast	May 7th, 2007 08:34:19 AM
It would have been better to end it in 2009 after two further seasons of 24 episodes. But maybe they're doing this so that they can follow the pattern suggested by someone on a Lost talkback about a year ago. Season 1- 42 days on the island. S2- 23 days. S3- 16 days. S4- 15 days. S5- 8 days. S6- 4 days. It would certainly be a lot easier to follow this pattern with 16-episode runs. But has it really followed this pattern so far or is that theory screwy?
ABC will NOT cancel this show before it's time. by Mr. Profit	May 7th, 2007 08:34:20 AM
So calm the fuck down. Seriously. Think of the many shows ABC has kept on the air despite their falling ratings. The Bachelor, What About Brian, Boston Legal. Lost will not end before it's scheduled end date if the ratings fall further. This show is a critical and commercial success. Sure the ratings are below the show's average. But it still has the demo ratings on lock.
Since Claire is only in 1 out of 4 episodes by Itchy	May 7th, 2007 08:37:41 AM
as it is, does this mean I'll only see her 4 times next season ? Maybe it's time for spinoff. A half hour show on HBO of Goth Claire taking a long milkbath and fantasizing about Kate and Sun. Now THAT is ratings gold.
Tastes Great! Less Filler! by Abin Sur	May 7th, 2007 08:38:29 AM
Good news all around - 52 episodes is more than we would have gotten out of just two more seasons, AND I really do believe we will see production values go up as a result of this format. The Lost crew has to bust ass to make the number of episodes they do each year. You let them focus their energies on a shorter season, and you will definitely see an improvement over what has already turned out to be an awesome season 3.
TOO SOON!!! by Pageiv	May 7th, 2007 08:39:28 AM
SPOILER They find out they are on New Caprica.
Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen. by Strabo	May 7th, 2007 08:41:04 AM
This bodes well for the predictions I made back in Feb/Mar for an early cancelation. I can't wait. Fuck this stupid show. Everything would be fine if they'd answer some goddamn questions a couple times a fucking season. Unfortunately, when you make your audience chase their fucking tails for three years, they tend to get a bit pissed off. Also, the problem many of the posters up-thread have with this news isn't that they're extending the show 'til 2010, or that they're trying to grab for three seasons worth of boxed set revenues, it's how the writers are going to have to restructure the remaining narrative for a three season structure, rather than a two. 'Cause, you know, there's supposed to be this big master plan, right? At least, that's what everyone keeps telling me. Stop straw-manning them and deal with their argument. And for the record, this season fucking sucks. One giant disappointment. We've learned nearly nothing about the island. The information we've received about Dharma has been sorely underwhelming. The Others were made out to be superhuman in the first two seasons...now we find out they're a bunch of science geeks with Ph.D's? Lame. They've ruined characters like Jack, and have ignored characters like Claire. Yeah, fuck this show. I can't wait for it to get canceled.
Heros sucks donkey balls!!! by dundundles	May 7th, 2007 08:41:10 AM
Heros sucks donkey balls!!!
Strabo by biggles2_22	May 7th, 2007 08:49:00 AM
Sheesh! Bitter much?
biggles2_22 by Strabo	May 7th, 2007 08:54:28 AM
Very. I loved this show in the first season. Too bad the writers saw fit to string us along for two fucking years.
So afterwards... by GOB Adama	May 7th, 2007 08:55:37 AM
...Can we get Expose' "spun-off"? That show looked really good.
Thanks for illustrating my previous point to the "T"! by biggles2_22	May 7th, 2007 08:57:03 AM
The opposite of Love is not Hate, it's Indifference.
biggles by RokurGepta	May 7th, 2007 09:02:49 AM
is your name from an old 80's movie about some guy travelling through time?
People give '24' a disproportional amout of shit by I Dunno	May 7th, 2007 09:08:24 AM
People have been hard on '24' this year for re-hashing plot points (why does the Counter Terrorist Unit have to keep fighting terrorists?) but a doctor show where they treat sick people every week and mate with each other in every possible combination? Let that run 15 seasons! '24' has to be a really hard show to produce. They can't have a few shitty episodes like other shows can or the whole thing derails. With all the simultaneous action they must have to shoot 3 times more footage than other shows and they have to time everything to fit into real time (with a lot of suspension of disbelief). It's still one of the best shows ever made, IMO.
shit, wrong thread by I Dunno	May 7th, 2007 09:09:32 AM
my bad.
surprised by PotSmokinAlien	May 7th, 2007 09:12:22 AM
this might be insanely overoptimistic thinking, but it cant hurt to balance things out in these parts i suppose: what if the creators realized 3 slightly shorter arcs actually served the purposes of the story they wanted to tell better than two larger ones? a pot smoking alien can dream... what this does to my invading-widmores theory i havent figured out yet
RokurGepta by biggles2_22	May 7th, 2007 09:24:21 AM
Getting warm.
two more questions by Napoleon Park	May 7th, 2007 09:26:14 AM
I have two questions that actually spin this news in a positive light. 1.) How does this affect the shows yearly budget? Do they get a per-episode budget or a per year budget? If they get the same amount of money to do 16 episodes as they would have had to stretch over 24, that means more special effects, better props, bigger name guests. etc. That might be good. 2.) Can this be considered a guarantee from the network? If ABC actually signs a contract saying "Here, we WILL air 16 consecutive episodes a year for three years" then we don't have to worry about repeats, hiatuses, pre-emptions or - most importantly - the always looming threat of cancellation if the ratings drop. I just hope the show also got a guarantee to keep one single time slot for the entire three years and not get shuffled around on the schedule or buried on the Friday night graveyard of unwanted shows.
Gepta, if Biggles won't tell you... by Napoleon Park	May 7th, 2007 09:30:18 AM
learn to Google and use Wikipedia. James Bigglesworth, aka "Biggles", was a fictional pilot whose adventures appeared in British pulp publications in the 1930s. The classic British literary fantasy character was also referenced at least once on Monty Python's Flying Circus, giving hthe character added cool geek cred.
Biggles by RokurGepta	May 7th, 2007 09:33:33 AM
Biggles Adventures in Time, I have a fond place in my heart for that movie. I love Time Travel movies, and I always wish they would have made a sequel to that movie. They don't seem to make fun time travel movies like that anymore...
Thing about '24' is... by GOB Adama	May 7th, 2007 09:35:24 AM
...as 'I Dunno' said, it's more difficult to make than other shows. However, at the end of the day, it has to hold and entertain an audience to the same degree as rote, easy to digest mindless sitcoms. It's not fair, but there it is. On top of it all, '24's novel format is no longer seen as 'new and inventive' (which it still is). This leads me back on topic to 'Lost'. It is smart for the powers-that-be to take a look at the format and plan a strategy out. However, did the pick the right strategy or simply 'strategery' (a bad plan is better than no plan at all).
whoa by RokurGepta	May 7th, 2007 09:35:34 AM
where I gotta find where I can read these Biggles stories. Are they connected to the movie in any way?
Napoleon Park by Strabo	May 7th, 2007 09:36:04 AM
Oh man, a move to Friday night would be awesome. Guaranteed cancelation. It would _kill_ their ratings in every segment outside of the basement dwelling geek.
sigh... by biggles2_22	May 7th, 2007 09:36:09 AM
...sometimes the search is part of the fun, Napoleon.
Super-others by Napoleon Park	May 7th, 2007 09:36:47 AM
it seems to me that if someone loved the first two seasons but believed the "Others" were being portrayed as having super-powers, they are taking the fan-site speculations way to seriously and were actually in love with their idea of the story in their head, not what was being aired. (This is common - a lot of people who 'fall in love' in real life love their own idealized mental conception of what the object of their affection is like, not the real person.)
I've always agreed with the theory of ... by biggles2_22	May 7th, 2007 09:38:29 AM
... time travel in relation to the LOST plot.
good news... by dengreg31	May 7th, 2007 09:38:39 AM
if they had dragged it out to 7-9 years they would have found Santa's Workshop and the Easter Bunny on the island... good move by ABC... Greg www.denvertvguy.com
Re: How will this affect the shows yearly budget. by RokurGepta	May 7th, 2007 09:38:43 AM
I believe that the budget is devided up per episode, but I believe there a special circumstances i.e. guest directors, guest stars, sweeps, and whatnot.
Agree with Mr. Profit by mrfan	May 7th, 2007 09:41:25 AM
ABC will not cancel this show. They will get their run till 2010. If by some crazy chance they shorten it to 2009 they will extend the episodes. They will at least be able to end it with a planned ending. So just relax. Many of you should consider yourselves lucky. Many shows don't get this type of treatment. What if they had just cancelled it without tying up any loose ends? That would be terrible. As for the dvds for an extra short season then just don't buy it. At least for a short time. Prices will go down or good deals will always be there. Patience.
stanthecritic is A Glass Half Full of $#!+ by all your base	May 7th, 2007 09:44:56 AM
The deaths he mentioned are all legit
Tailhook by Fount of Useless Info	May 7th, 2007 09:49:51 AM
One of my biggest pet peeves is people using the phrase "trust me" in conversation. It's almost always code for "I don't know anything and am just making wild predictions."
Lost is one of ABC's Golden Geese... by RokurGepta	May 7th, 2007 09:51:08 AM
They will not cancel this show, it's making them too much money. can anyone give me a link to a pic of the four-toed statue please please with suger on top. OMG, I saw a recent picture of Teri Hatcher, talk about bad plastic surgery, either that or...I swear to God, Michael Jackson Killed the real Terri Hatcher and took her place.
Sorry Biggles by Napoleon Park	May 7th, 2007 09:51:21 AM
my new bud Gepta asked a direct question and you teased him on it. The search for knowledge is it's own reward, and I told him how to do it. Google, Wikipedia and IMDb just makes it that much easier. Like I always say, knowing the answers isn't always as important as knowing where to look them up. * (um, the following rant is not directed at Biggles; since his name's up top in the subject line, I thought I should clarify that point)* oh, that whole Shatner 'get a life sketch' cliche about "living in your mothers basement" is old and rusted. yeah, I lived in my father's attic until he died, but since I worked and he drank, I think he lived with me. And that whole idea that "Friday Night is 'Date NIght' or Party Night" is fine for the young and horny, social drinkers and stoners but it's just another night and personally, I like Ghost Whisperer and Numb3rs (and Las Vegas, Raines, Boomtown, The D.A., Wonderfalls, Book Of Daniel, Third Watch, Sabrina the Teenage Witch and, going back a few years, The original Smother Brothers sitcom, Honey West and Judd For The Defense. I suppose if someone gifted you with an X-Files boxed set you couldn't watch the first few years because only geeks and losers watch Friday night shows? (Not to say X-Files wasn't a geek show, but I hear it was popular)
Biggles by Fount of Useless Info	May 7th, 2007 09:54:06 AM
Your info on the ratings is only a fraction of the picture. You have to remember product tie-ins, DVD sales, online episode sales, and online streaming with ads. If the show's budget was greater than the amount of money it takes in, the network wouldn't be giving them until 2010, and they certainly wouldn't have been trying to keep them from ending in 2009. I understand that you'd like to show everyone how smart you are by saying that the show sucks and will go off the air soon, but wishing does not make things reality.
Napoleon Park by Fount of Useless Info	May 7th, 2007 09:55:54 AM
I don't know a guy who has ever watched an episode of Ghost Whisperer that _didn't_ like it. It's one of my wife's favorites to watch, and I never complain.
Napoleon Park by Strabo	May 7th, 2007 09:56:23 AM
Wait a minute...so, running through the forest, leaving next to no tracks, evading pursuit by FOUR people, carrying TWO full grown adults over your shoulders, and THEN having enough energy to royally kick the shit out of another guy ISN'T superhuman?
Ghost Whisperer.... by RokurGepta	May 7th, 2007 10:02:17 AM
I watched that show for one reason, or maybe it was two reasons... Jeneifer Love Hewitt..... About half-way through the 2nd season I quit watching, I just wasn't that interested in the show, i might have given up too soon, I dunno shrugs
Danielle Rousseau blows up BEN with Dynamite!!! by StanTheCritic	May 7th, 2007 10:04:25 AM
That she took from the Black Rock last week.
I'm glad they're making it clear that there's an end... by rbatty024	May 7th, 2007 10:05:30 AM
to the show. Otherwise people just assume the writers are stringing them along.
The others seem very watered-down this season by RokurGepta	May 7th, 2007 10:08:44 AM
In the first and 2nd season, they did seem almost superhuman, they were very scary, and now it just aren't scary anymore. It just seems like they are reguler people being coerced into following the orders of the evil madman that is their leader. The still might be super-human though, the one-eyed russian came back to life... And they might or might not have some kind of magic box. I really hope at some point Time Travel comes into the story... And I really hope they explain why Jack saw his dead father walking around in season 1, and How Kate's Horse got to the Island. Maybe it's all the Magic Box.... Maybe it has something to do with Time Travel... I just hope they don't explain it all away with Psuedo-science
rbatty024 by Strabo	May 7th, 2007 10:10:37 AM
The writers have lost all credibility. We're constantly told "THIS IS THE EPISODE THAT CHANGES EVERYTHING!!11one!! OMGLOL!," yet nothing ever changes. You may accept empty promises, but personally, I look back at past behavior as an indicator of future performance.
Let's think about this for a second.... by seanny_d	May 7th, 2007 10:14:43 AM
With 16 episodes a season over three years, that gives them more time to actually revise and hammer out tighter stories. Whereas now they're writing episodes in a lot shorter time. Kristin at E! Online posted this: "I'm told by multiple sources inside ABC that the initial plan was to do two more seasons of Lost, with 24 episodes each, however, because of interntional deals already in place, Lost's producers Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse agreed to divvy up those remaining 48 episodes over three seasons. (A TV season must be a minimum of 16 episodes.)" So yes, they did have to make a compromise, but so what? My opinion is that they may know where they're going, they know the mythology of the show and have yet to STRUCTURE that. The reason the Harry Potter analogy doesn't work completely is that each Harry Potter book is ONE YEAR in his life. Lost doesn't have that same time constraint on it. Giving this opportunity to Lindelof and Cuse will allow for them to EXPLICITLY figure out just how the next 48 episodes will go. The ONLY reason I'm pissed about the news is because it means I'm going to have to wait three years for it all to be over. It's a matter of impatience. And those of you saying that ABC will abandon Lost before it's over. Give me a fucking break. Did you even read the article? The series is still pulling in millions of viewers and is in the top tier of the male demographic that's so coveted by advertisers. Coupled with the absurd amount of money they've surely given the producers, ABC is going to stick with this plan.
I don't think the Others are portrayed as super-human: by newc0253	May 7th, 2007 10:15:49 AM
but it's clear that they ain't quite normal either. Or are we meant to believe that Kate - streetwise enough to mastermind bank robberies and wiley enough to evade capture by federal marshalls - would get judo-thrown by Juliet, a geneticist? Similarly, Jack and Ethan are both surgeons, but apparently Ethan's medical training involved a lot more hand-to-hand combat than Jack's did. Mikhail apparently came back from the dead, which might not be super-human per se, but let's be honest, it ain't that ordinary. And the as-yet-unseen Jacob can apparently cause cancer to go into full remission.
RokurGepta by Strabo	May 7th, 2007 10:16:55 AM
I wouldn't exactly cite Mikhail's return as a good example of _anything_. After all, this is the show where "When you're dead, you're dead!," and "Characters on Lost stay dead," right? I know that I routinely shoot blood out my ears and wake up the next morning. It usually happens after watching Lost.
MARCH 2009!! by Stuntcock Mike	May 7th, 2007 10:18:23 AM
The episode that changes everything. snnnnoooorrrrrrrrrrreeeeeee.
I lost interest in Lost by lionbiu	May 7th, 2007 10:18:40 AM
due to it's inability to have a proper story telling structure...everything seems to come for a round table brainstorming discussion. That format works for sketch shows, but for a drama it really has no place and makes the narrative sloppy. A story will begin in episode 4 and than be continued in episode 22, while several other pointless stories take place....and can they drop the fucking 'flashbacks' they served their purpose in season 1 but do nothing but stall the story and add nothing to the characters.
Stop Comparing 'Lost' to 'Heroes' by Thunderbolt Ross	May 7th, 2007 10:20:24 AM
'Heroes' is stupid. Go worship Tim Kring for the amazing feat of 22 dumb episodes a season in the 'Heroes' TB.
lionbiu by Strabo	May 7th, 2007 10:24:00 AM
Oh come on...learning about the super secret art of Thai tattoos was super critical to Jack's character! It explains _everything_! How can you NOT like the flashbacks? /poorly delivered snark
The Harry Potter analogy works just fine: by newc0253	May 7th, 2007 10:24:03 AM
48 episodes in 3 seasons involves a different structure than the same number of episodes stretched across 2 seasons or 5 seasons or 7 seasons, etc. It stands to reason that the length of a season affects the way in which the story arcs are structured. A shorter season might work fine for other shows, e.g. Sopranos or HBO. But if the 3 season structure is effectively a trade-off with the network to keep ABC's golden goose laying eggs, fans of the show are entitled to be concerned about how chopping and changing the number of episodes per season will affect the story structure. I'd rather the producers have the freedom to tell the story the way they want it, rather than be dictated by commercial pressures into spreading things out. Maybe Lindelhof and Cuse are comfortable with the compromise they've struck and maybe 16 episode seasons will work. But let's not pretend that it won't affect the show.
So I just got off the phone with by Stuntcock Mike	May 7th, 2007 10:28:22 AM
Kurt Russell and holy shit, he hates Lost.
p.s. JK Rowling doesn't do anything she doesn't want to by newc0253	May 7th, 2007 10:32:55 AM
to the talkbacker above who claimed that "Rowling was told to write them in a more accessible way to transfer to film", what utter and complete fucking bollocks. The only thing Bloomsbury tell JK Rowling to do is send more trucks to collect her money. She has unparalleled creative control over the books, and also the movies (there's not many authors who could refuse Spielberg, for instance). Indeed, if the messy nature of the later books are proof of anything, it's that her publishers are too much of a soft touch, because the later books certainly could use an editor. The idea that Rowling would be told to change her writing for the sake of film adaptations is ignorance at its purest.
Yay, three more seasons explaining Jack's tattoos! by SpyGuy	May 7th, 2007 10:36:11 AM
Or better yet, we'll finally learn what the Village and Rover...errr, the Others' residential area and the Smoke Monster really are. Perhaps in the finale, Jack pulls off Ben's face mask, revealing Jack's face underneath. Oh, and I can't wait to learn how the Others are using the Flash's Cosmic Treadmill technology to bring people to their alternate Earth for scientific research in the hopes of repopulating their world. What, too soon?
"Fuck this stupid show" by Thunderbolt Ross	May 7th, 2007 10:39:11 AM
Sounds like you are upset. Here's some advice that should help: 1. Stop watching the show 2. Stop reading about the show 3. Stop posting about the show 4. Stop thinking about the show. If you follow these steps, preferably in order, you will feel better and hopefully no longer feel the need to post redundant, useless comments in talkbacks like this one.
Fount of Useless Info by biggles2_22	May 7th, 2007 10:41:55 AM
Did I say the show sucks? No. I like the show. It's appointment TV for me. Just giving the reality (adjusted for merchandising, DVD, and syndication, which is really the big money maker) With the show off of the air, it will be easier to negotiate syndication(one of the only true money-makers of the television industry), as most syndication deals include keeping the syndicated show on the air until the "prime" run is off of the air. This is regardless of how the show performs in syndication (see King of the Hill). So you can see, of course, that with a serial show, this presents a problem for syndicators, as serial dramas tend to perform poorly out of syndication. To say the show will go until 2010, BY THE NETWORK, is like GM saying 4th Quarter 2007 sales will be up (to the stock-holders). It could also be a kiss to the staffers that there will be an end on the horizon. Any "contract" can be broken based on performance, extenuating circumstances, and even salary negotiations. That last one, "salary negotiations" is the kicker and the nail that will secure the coffin, so to speak. Back to point, I don't remember EVER saying the show "sucked", but maybe you confused my prediction with my opinion of the show. For your misunderstanding, I'm truly apologetic.
for now by leesheri	May 7th, 2007 10:47:23 AM
Once the ratings go back up they may change it. I would rather have 52 solid episodes than 100 watered down ones.
This is good.... if it's what the creator's by veritasses	May 7th, 2007 10:48:23 AM
said they need. Tell the story that needs to be told, nothing more, nothing less. However, if these numbers are coming from the Suits which they picked out of thin air then, well... this wouldn't be the first time suits without a clue meddled with the creative process and f'd up a high quality show. Although keep in mind, this type of stuff can change very easily.
This is great news! by Wormie	May 7th, 2007 10:48:30 AM
Thankfully, Lost won't go the way of The X-Files. How about announcing when Smallville will finish? The whole series has been a big tease and we won't get a payoff (Welling will never be seen in the costume.) The BBC just ended the brilliant Life on Mars after 16 episodes (but we are getting a spin-off), so shut up you whiny Mary Janes - quality is more important than quantity.
Strabo by Shigeru	May 7th, 2007 10:48:57 AM
Seriously shut the fuck up. I know it's a free country and all, but for someone who LOATHES a TV SHOW as much as you do, you sure do spend a lot of time thinking about it. Are you into S&M or something? PS- you're dumb.
Why is it... by GOB Adama	May 7th, 2007 10:49:02 AM
...That love of one show seems, for many, to equal utter disdain for another? Is it just some sort of "My favorite show is better than your favorite show" pissing match? I mean, you'd think a diverse array of viewing options would be welcomed rather than a source of all caps insults and declarations of 'owning'.
Heroes by Wormie	May 7th, 2007 10:49:11 AM
Oh, yeah, and Heroes is dull as fuck.
Ahh, here come the sheep! by Strabo	May 7th, 2007 10:55:31 AM
Yes, please, attack me personally. It feels so good knowing that you can't actually refute anything I've said and have to resort to ad hominem.
Did anyone notice that next week on thursday night by RokurGepta	May 7th, 2007 10:56:49 AM
they have some Special Lost recap show? I always skip the recap shows, and wonder if I missed anything by not watching them? Have I, or should I continue skipping them?
These mid-season "breaks" suck. by LizardKing69	May 7th, 2007 11:02:51 AM
It's hard to jump back into a show like Lost or Heroes when they disappear for weeks on end only to replaced with quality TV like Identity and Deal or No Deal. Bring back the heady days of non stop programing. I'm glad they've set an end date and the ammount of episodes is really a non issue since I can't keep track of how many fucking episodes there are sopposed to be because of these breaks etc. I will go on record as saying that as a Lost fan I'm dreading the final episodes, because I don't think that the writers can write a ending that isn't anti-climatic to everything thats come before. They've been building such a intriguing mystery so far that any ending they can come up with will be a letdown in comparison.
RokurGepta by GOB Adama	May 7th, 2007 11:03:02 AM
I skip them, as well. It would be cruel to insert anything new into them, but it would be mildly funny as well. I plan to catch THIS ONE, however, as I want to see what elements were deemed worthy of focus by the show's creators.
More tv should go 16 episodes series by EvilWizardGlick	May 7th, 2007 11:03:15 AM
After seeing how well the brit 16 or less episode idea works US shows should start picking up the idea. Lost should have been a bunch of miniseries each four two hour ewpisodes. It would have been much more concise and to the point.
I am vehemently uncertain about this by _Maltheus_	May 7th, 2007 11:03:33 AM
Hmmm, while I love the fact that they've given a date for withdrawal, I'm not sure about the 3 season thing. I don't think that's any guarantee for reduced filler (see the first half of this season of Sopranos). I think I'd rather two seasons, with a break right down the middle, each half structured like it's own season. The up side to this, is that it gives them time to respond to us the next time they fuck up. Mixed news, I say. It can go either way.
OK...but EVERY EPISODE BETTER BE GOLD by performingmonkey	May 7th, 2007 11:17:08 AM
If they're only doing 16 there's no fucking excuse for 'fillers'. Half of them should be written by Cuse and/or Lindelof. Maybe they're doing this so all the actors don't leave. This way they'll have some more time for other things. Personally I think Lindelof and Cuse went to ABC and said '48 episodes then we're out' and ABC went all retarded and said 'you can do them, but only over three seasons'
Strabo maybe you didn't understand me by Shigeru	May 7th, 2007 11:22:32 AM
what I meant to say was, you're dumb.
Biggles by Fount of Useless Info	May 7th, 2007 11:31:47 AM
Fair enough. I mistook your pessimism for the trash talking that certain people do around here. Sorry about that. I do stand by my original impression that this news is a good thing, but I am sorry for jumping to conclusions about you.
It's Only... by ImpulsiveIdeas	May 7th, 2007 11:38:07 AM
3 EXTRA months of hiatus. Its not like before this it went of in May and came back in June. There was usually a 5 month hiatus (May - October) and when you factor in that most shows go on repeats during December and January anyway -- I think it is workable.
The terrorist have won... by purplemonkeydw	May 7th, 2007 11:44:58 AM
...now that Lost has set an end date. OMG TISNF!!!
JJ: Alias is calling. Wants you to stop after 5 seasons by StanTheCritic	May 7th, 2007 11:45:36 AM
2010? Come on..people will move on to other shows by then.
BBC SYSTEM by Papa Smurf	May 7th, 2007 11:46:00 AM
BBC system is one of the best because it lets u have all good eps and no fillers. Everyone seemed to complain about there being fillers and no we've gotten news that there probably wont be anymore fillers your all moaning even more. THis talkback is pointless sometimes.
Yay IN 5 YEARS TIMES I'LL BE FREE FROM LOST by kingoflight	May 7th, 2007 11:50:02 AM
King JESUS!
Seriously, fuck, anything less than 22 episodes. by LordEnigma	May 7th, 2007 11:50:32 AM
There have been countless series with these short seasons that suck. While I love the Shield, that show comes across as being rushed as fuc. Now, LOST, a show that needs all of that FILLER you folks are bitching about to space out the story, will have to rush to tell a story. Not only that, but do you really think they are only going to shoot 16 episodes a year? Really? Hell no. So all this does is pro-long a show that should end in TWO-YEARS! Let us not forget that there will apparently be a fucking MOVIE AFTER THE SERIES ENDS! Nevertheless, Kate, Charlie, Sayid, and Ben all die? Really? So Josh Halloway is going to have to carry this motherfucker even more now?
16 episode seasons is great news. by modlight	May 7th, 2007 11:51:53 AM
I agree with Papa Smurf. This just means less filler. It also mean they may be fucked, but people seem to stick with that smoldering crap-fest The Sopranos and they average like 3 shows a year.
The Others left the houses because DARHMA is coming! by StanTheCritic	May 7th, 2007 12:01:26 PM
The know DARHMA is coming looking for them now. Locke blew up the station which kept contact with the DARHMA base. They know the research teams have been brain washed into the survivors of flight 815 now. Patchy and the girl from Las Vegas work with DARHMA. DARHMA shows up in the final episode in a huge airship.
The USA network........ by RokurGepta	May 7th, 2007 12:03:26 PM
has fraked up it's shows i.e. Monk, Psych, by cutting up their seasons in two halves, and having ridiculous scheduling, and hiatus, etc. I guess if they show them all in 16 straight weeks, I won't mind it that much, as long as they are good. I'll look forward to them more, and therefore hopefully appreciate them more. On Another note, I saw Spiderman 3 last night, Frak me, I think X-Men 3 might be better than Spiderman 3, because Spiderman 3 was this Emo sob story, I'm sorry, I'm crying, I apologize for this, touchy-feely, movie. I was in agony hoping the movie would just end, but it dragged on and on, the only part I really enjoyed was Bruce Campbell's cameo. And can you believe what I just read, They just Greenlit 3 more Spiderman sequels.. Are they trying to just ruin everything or what?
"BBC system is one of the best"? by newc0253	May 7th, 2007 12:05:53 PM
You gotta be fucking shitting me. The BBC don't have short seasons because of any overarching artistic vision. They have short seasons because it's all they can fucking afford. Seriously, there's no comparison between UK and US tv shows: UK shows don't have teams of writers. They are typically solo affairs or writing partnerships, c.f. Ricky Gervais and Stephen Merchant. They're run on a shoestring because the available budgets are miniscule compared to even the most average US series. The hit ratio is even lower: UK tv manages to produce a watchable show approx once every decade or so: c.f. Fawlty Towers, Blackadder, The Office, Extras. Everything else is dribbly shite. But even the dribbly shite is guaranteed an incredibly long run because the BBC loves nothing better than to repeat crappy shows indefinitely.
Whatever happened to that BBC show called by RokurGepta	May 7th, 2007 12:08:38 PM
Strange, about the Priest that hunts demons, was it canceled, or did it just have 1 season at that was it?
Remember what Locke said to Kate? by StanTheCritic	May 7th, 2007 12:10:18 PM
They are not very forgiving people. That's because Kate and crew use to be the ones in charge of the DARHMA camp. That's why they had Kate and Sawyer doing random hard work, because they wanted them to know what it was like to be a "workman". Signed and sealed my friends.
Jesus Stan give it a rest. by Novaman5000	May 7th, 2007 12:10:27 PM
Seriously.
Still singing that "no answers" song, Strabo? by Novaman5000	May 7th, 2007 12:18:05 PM
I'll say this for you, you've got some stamina. Well, not that you should keep watching a show you hate, but I'd imagine this week's Ben flashback episode might have some of those answers you're so under-exposed to. Oh who are we kidding, you'll be in the talkback on thursday. Why bother with the front? You're as addicted to the show as the rest of us.
Still singing that "no answers" song, Strabo? by Novaman5000	May 7th, 2007 12:18:05 PM
I'll say this for you, you've got some stamina. Well, not that you should keep watching a show you hate, but I'd imagine this week's Ben flashback episode might have some of those answers you're so under-exposed to. Oh who are we kidding, you'll be in the talkback on thursday. Why bother with the front? You're as addicted to the show as the rest of us.
Sorry about the by Novaman5000	May 7th, 2007 12:18:31 PM
DP.
"Game changer" in finale... by Executor	May 7th, 2007 12:23:05 PM
...SPOILER obviously... ...in relation to this news, Watch with Kristin at E! says that when we see the "game changer" in the finale, we'll understand why the show can't go longer than 48 episodes. Hmmmm...thoughts???
This is what happens when beancounters are in charge by ATARI	May 7th, 2007 12:25:29 PM
And fuck me for still watching this damn show. There really has only been 4 good episodes this seson IMHO.
go easy on strabo, guys by lopan	May 7th, 2007 12:26:06 PM
damon lindelof drove to his house and fucked his mother senseless while simultaneously shitting on all his goals, hopes and dreams in life. it's the only rational explanation for his behavior
an Opinion by Papa Smurf	May 7th, 2007 12:26:29 PM
Just because the BBC doest have that much money doest mean it has to create short shows, IM Irish n ill admit In the last few years British TV has kicked some serious ass with shows like Life on MArs, the Return of Doctor Who, Skins and a few more and American TV has gone down hill with Lost, Heroes, 24 n BAttlestar really being the only few exceptions. Oh n British n Irish humour comedy is funnier ways.
oh by lopan	May 7th, 2007 12:30:03 PM
i'm also going to start saying ad hominem as often as possible, because it makes me sound smart. maybe you guys should try it, also
The Game Changer by Jor-El23	May 7th, 2007 12:31:53 PM
We better actually see what it is...it better not be a cliffhanger that leaves us still guessing what the game changer is and not actually learning until Jan of 2008
The way they've been hyping this game changer, by Novaman5000	May 7th, 2007 12:40:51 PM
it would be mind-boggling if it wasn't perfectly clear what it was by the end of the finale... If you read the variety article, the source who had read the script for the finale says: "It changes everything". Personally, thats what a finale should do in my opinion, so i'm fuckin excited.
I was so happy with the supposed 2009 end date by CherryValance	May 7th, 2007 12:44:32 PM
That this official announcement pisses me off. Three sixteen episode seasons is evil. I hope smokey smacks ABC around for this.
Novaman. The game changer. by StanTheCritic	May 7th, 2007 12:45:14 PM
The survivors of flight 815 are not who they think they are. THEY ARE DARHMA CREW.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO by Zauriel	May 7th, 2007 12:46:23 PM
C'mon guys, you tease us with the great knowledge that we'd have TWO seasons of Lost left, two FULL seasons. Now we fucked 'cause the ABC execs wanna drag it out even more. This plan is super-retarded. So what, now we have to wait even longer for the no-repeat run each January because of a shortened season? ABC, what a dick move. GIVE US TWO FULL SEASONS!!!!
You're shit out of luck, Strabo by slone13	May 7th, 2007 12:55:20 PM
Let's place bets on L O S T getting cancelled. You and me. What do you say? Something you might want to know about me: I may be a betting man, but I only bet on a sure thing. Much to your chagrin, I know L O S T is not going to be cancelled. So why not put your money where your mouth, you chump sucker?
Spiderman 3 by Mr. Profit	May 7th, 2007 12:58:26 PM
In response to someone's brief review above, I too was bored out of my mind and annoyed with all the fucking crying. The best part was the Harry vs Peter fight that took place at Harry's house. Other than that the movie was so forced. Another annoying thing, when MJ "Broke Up" with Peter on the bridge, did she forget she was getting piped down on the regular by mutherfucking SPIDERMAN? Because it annoys me that she didn't think to tell her serious boyfriend (Who is also a FUCKING SUPERHERO) that the guy who threatened her was lurking in the bushes watching them. That right there just played out like a stupid soap opera scene. And watching Tobey cry was like watching him take a serious hard shit that was way to big for him and it made him tear up during the process. He always looks constipated. Anyhow, a real chick would have told her Superhero BF that she got choked out "24" style by a dude on a flying glider as soon as she had the chance. But whatever. Lost is great again. I just hope that these spoilers by Stan aren't real. Because Kate dying would suck. She is one of the few "Hot" girls left. And I don't think the Lostaway's being DHARMA would make too much sense.
The lostaways=Dharma people "spoilers" by Fount of Useless Info	May 7th, 2007 01:04:44 PM
My issue with this supposed spoiler is that we have seen the crash of flight 815 from the perspective of people who were not on the plane (Ben and Juliet specifically). This, along with Ben's need to find survivors of the flight, Desmond's arrival/re-arrival, Naomi's arrival, the Black Rock and several other issues just don't seem to fit.

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