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Massawyrm Says SPIDER-MAN 3 Goes Limp Half Way Through The Lovin'!!

IAM STILL GOING by connor187	May 3rd, 2007 07:59:55 AM
TO FUCKING RIGHT
Thats a FIRST for me I see.. by connor187	May 3rd, 2007 08:01:03 AM
Not as good as I expected.
IRONY!!! Massawyrm talks about going limp while.... by Err	May 3rd, 2007 08:03:13 AM
his picture at the bottom is of him riding a giant penis.
Iam hearing bad things about this but... by connor187	May 3rd, 2007 08:06:05 AM
I will make up my own mind on Friday night...thanks all the same though!
Think the folks at AICN by Chiziola79	May 3rd, 2007 08:06:11 AM
Are getting a bit of sand in their vagina over the fact their opinions mean nothing and X Men 3 was still a hit regardless of how much they bitched and moaned. The film sounds great and looks great, remember it is made for mass consumption and not for nerds that wank over comics all day long.
Still seeing it. by 7pointedstar	May 3rd, 2007 08:06:35 AM
But, as recommended, with lowered expectations.
Does Venom talk using "We" or does Venom say "I"? by Err	May 3rd, 2007 08:08:12 AM
If he says I in the film, I'm gonna be pissed.
Chiziola... by 7pointedstar	May 3rd, 2007 08:08:38 AM
Only a few reviewers on AICN hated X3. Personally, I think it was a steaming pile of shit, but I know people who thought differently. And, if you remember, Harry practically jacked off on its face, he loved the movie so much.
So the strut and dance scenes in 3 . . . by Nice Marmot	May 3rd, 2007 08:10:03 AM
...are just as retarded as the "Raindrops" sequence in 2? Gotcha. And are there any other X1 & 2 fans that still haven't watched X3 out of fear of how bad it sounds? I'm in that boat.
X3 was a huge success because non-geeks enjoyed it by chrth	May 3rd, 2007 08:13:34 AM
The 'have to go see it' effect might work for the first $100 mill of receipts, maybe even the second. But not the third. Otherwise Supes Returns would've made as much.
7pointedstar: You're misremembering by chrth	May 3rd, 2007 08:14:33 AM
Harry didn't like X3. Moriarty did (and it was Mori's review that made me go see it).
Massawyrm is over doing it by slone13	May 3rd, 2007 08:15:56 AM
I've seen Spidey 3 twice now already, and while I understand his point regarding the musical number, he's being waaaaay too dramatic. And he's just plain wrong about the second half.
So did you like it? by godzillasushi	May 3rd, 2007 08:16:36 AM
Haha....joke....no really....
very true by just pillow talk	May 3rd, 2007 08:16:40 AM
The movies for "mass consumption" works, since, ya know, most of the population doesn't think like us. (whew!)
Massawyrm is nuts.... it doesn't go limp.... by Russman	May 3rd, 2007 08:18:48 AM
It does something different than a lot of other action movies... it gives the actors a chance to ACT and expand on their characters. Besides him dropping a SPOILER in his review, Parker's change in attitude with the Black Suit showed how not only was his actions as Spiderman affected but his actions as PP changed. The strut sequence was funny and the crowd I saw it with loved it. And I knew reviews like this this were going to happen while I was watching this movie - people were going to complain about the talking and the drama and the love triangle. God forbid an artist trying to deliver you something more than 120 minutes of constant action with just a dollop of story in it (Pirates 2). People, the film is good. But like Vern was saying in his Die Hard review, people have been fed such crap over the years and told it's good that when something really good comes along, they don't know how to react. Then again, maybe Massaawyrm just didn't like it, and that's his right to not like it, I just really disagree with his reasons for not liking it.
Nice analogy, Massawyrm by Franklin T Marmoset	May 3rd, 2007 08:20:14 AM
Although what would be worse is if she mentions your mother and that makes you hotter than you were to start with. Then you have yourself some problems. Anyroadup, you're right about the syndrome. I have to see Spider-Man 3. I would still see it if it was declared officially to be the worst film ever made and is guaranteed to cause pain and discomfort in your bladder. It's weird. Am I slave to the marketing machine? I near enough hated Pirates 2, but I'll there to see number 3 when it opens. What does that mean?
Sorry but I know 5th graders with better writing skills by AARONIUS	May 3rd, 2007 08:20:25 AM
How in the world do you ever expect to convince people of your point when you talk with such immaturity? Seriously, if you think the movie is bad isn't there some way you could tell us without turning into a Neil Cumpston worshiper with sexual references featuring your mother? This isn't cool news this is just garbage. Let me ask this, is your problem with the film that it isn't dark all the way through? I mean I kind of expect it to be goofy on some level, it is after all based on a COMIC BOOK.
Err by jingle_balls	May 3rd, 2007 08:23:59 AM
sorry matey but venom doesnt speak that much and when he does, its more just eddie brock being all angry pants with parker. plus for me, venom just didnt look scary enough. also, what the fuck is with sandy and spiderman. "oh sorry spidey, i killed your uncle and beat the living shit outta ya. but i didnt mean it." spiderman:"thats ok, my pants ride a lot in the crotch so ive had worse." seriously that really ruined the movie for me.
C'mon man... by skycrapper	May 3rd, 2007 08:24:55 AM
The rain drops scene in Spider-Man 2 took you totally out of that movie also. Nick at Chud actually liked the dance scene.
Please... by Jakes Nel	May 3rd, 2007 08:25:01 AM
No Spidey 4 for a long time....
Please... by Jakes Nel	May 3rd, 2007 08:25:22 AM
No Spidey 4 for a long time....
Rain drops scene was needed... by Err	May 3rd, 2007 08:27:18 AM
It showed that Peter Parker didn't feel the strain of being Spider-man. He went back to his geeky self and it added some much needed temporary comic relief in a film that was very dramatic (but not in a bad way).
X3 was BETTER than X2... by ccchhhrrriiisssm	May 3rd, 2007 08:31:09 AM
...even if the fatboys, er, fanboys want to complain otherwise. Why do so many would-be critics feel the need to trash the third film of every trilogy? Spiderman 3 might not be as good as Spiderman 2 -- but it is safe to say that it is superior in every way to the first film! X3, in my perfectly justifiable opinion, was superior to X2 -- both of which were inferior to the first (albeit shorter) film.
Seeing it tonight... by dengreg31	May 3rd, 2007 08:33:18 AM
I'm a little worried... definately have lowered expectations for this one... Die Hard 4 and Bourne 3 on the other hand.. giddyup! Greg www.denvertvguy.com
Let's Dance by garyploski	May 3rd, 2007 08:34:16 AM
The dance sequence, sure, it was over the top, but there are other things in 3 that are worse. The scene leading up to the dance is nearly identical to "raindrops" in 2. Yawn. I saw the premiere in Queens with my wife and we both found ourselves bored throughout the film. It just isn't an exciting film. We both loved 2. Sure, see the film, support the franchise, but see don't go in expecting a mind blowing film and see it at the matinée price. You're bound to have a better experience than me. I wrote a more detailed review and emailed it to Harry. It's also on my site -- http://garyploski.com/spider-m an-3-premiere-review/
Batman Begins raised the bar for casting by Garbageman33	May 3rd, 2007 08:34:56 AM
Christian Bale, Liam Neeson, Morgan Freeman, Ken Watanabe. Something very cool happens when you take a comic book movie and populate it with incredible actors. You start to actually believe in the superheroes. I never got that feeling with Spiderman. It's just a bunch of plucky young kids playing make-believe. And casting a bunch of TV actors and Opie's daughter, to go along with the incomparable Kirsten Dunst, isn't likely to change my opinion.
I agree with Err by Jakes Nel	May 3rd, 2007 08:35:31 AM
Too lazy to really write anything myself....
I saw them filming the Parker street dancing.... by Dasher	May 3rd, 2007 08:37:15 AM
It was a Friday afternoon in Soho. I was on a lunch break from work, and I remember thinking, "WHAT THE HELL IS THIS?" as I watched Raimi put Maguire through the paces. It looked as ridiculous in person as I'm sure it will on screen. At the time I was hoping it was going to wind up on the cutting-room floor, so it's kind of interesting to read the reviews now, as that scene is getting a lot of attention.
jingle_balls and cccchhhhrrrrriiismm or whatever... by Err	May 3rd, 2007 08:40:14 AM
jingleballs: NOOOOOOOOOOOO! he should say "we" damnit.-----chrism or whatever: X-3 suffered from too many characters, bad plot line (everything was undone in like the 5 seconds of the film), Juggernaut's dialogue was taken from a youtube spoof (I'm the Juggernaut, bitch), Colossus (a major character in this film) had one line, the misuse of Cyclops, the need to pursue a Wolverine and Jean relationship when in the prior film Jean already said that she loved Cyclops (more than she will love Wolverine). It was a clusterfuck of a film.
agreed by board shitlez	May 3rd, 2007 08:40:16 AM
X2 was dreadful, x3 was solid with some ace scenes and a plot that made sense. X2 was the biggest hotch potch of characters ever.
Garbageman33 forgot by Grammaton Cleric Binks	May 3rd, 2007 08:40:40 AM
Rutger Hauer. Batman Begins, then Sin City. Hauer doing what he does best slimy and/or creepy guys. Okay, don't blink, I understand, but still....
ccchhhrrriisssm by Jakes Nel	May 3rd, 2007 08:42:47 AM
You are a retard.
"unbelievably badass"? by Spandau Belly	May 3rd, 2007 08:43:10 AM
I'm sorry, I don't like any of these movies but I understand that they fill a need for all you comic book guys out there. But to call these movies "unbelievably badass" is impossible to believe. These movies are colourful and simplistic kidsfare. If you like that, fine. But don't go calling Spiderman Steve McQueen's 'The Getaway' for the new generation or anything. I'm still waiting for MiraJeff's rambling lukewarm plot summary sprinkled with some bad research and a comparison to another film that he only liked slightly better. C'mon MiraJeff! What are you waiting for! We need ten pages for you to say something is "watchably mediocre"! Bring it on! I've got nothing else to do! I'd love to heckle you some more! Psot it already!
Wow, I'm not going to harp any further . . . by Nice Marmot	May 3rd, 2007 08:43:26 AM
. . . but I just can't accept these comic relief scenes. I hate them actually. As someone else just said, they take me right out of the movie too. However, I'm reading enough comments from people that just love everything about these flicks and defend the comic scenes to no end. I'll just shut up about it for good.
I was greatly disappointed with X2... by ccchhhrrriiisssm	May 3rd, 2007 08:43:37 AM
...and I was greatly disappointed with the fanboy hatefest for X3. The opinions of a few overly vocal and loudmouth fanboys on this great website certainly do not represent the opinions of the rest of us! X3 was a quality film, and in my opinion, SUPERIOR to X2.
LOL by BeyondStatic	May 3rd, 2007 08:44:01 AM
Great review! Thanks for the heads up.
X3 was BETTER than X2... by Chilli815	May 3rd, 2007 08:45:37 AM
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahaha.
Jakes Nel... by ccchhhrrriiisssm	May 3rd, 2007 08:46:46 AM
It is posters like you who are making the "talkback" section of this website IRRELEVANT to writers, directors and producers. Once upon a time, the talkback section really mattered. That was until a few IQ challenged posters took every opportunity to write mean-spirited, over-the-top ridiculous and offensive posts that make little sense. 'Nuff said!
X3 hate is such a mindless jihad on this site by gboybama	May 3rd, 2007 08:49:29 AM
The movie was a great ride, if your brain isn't complicated by Hollywood-insider hand wringing or comic book continuity fascism. Problem is, the AICN demo positively revels in those two afflictions. At least the X movies pause to have a little fun once and a while. The emo Spiderman flicks don't indulge in anything as light hearted as "fun."
Why X-3 sucked (from both a fanboy and non-fanboy view) by Err	May 3rd, 2007 08:49:55 AM
Phoenix's character, Juggernaut's character, Angel's character, lack of relationship between Juggernaut and Prof. X., Cyclops' misuse, the need to pursue Wolverine/Jean relationship when clearly Jean admitted that she loved Cyclops both in comics and in film, the Iceman/Pyro fight was too short, the complete clusterfuck of characters, the death of Prof. X., the way that Prof. X. came back to life, the "death" of Phoenix, the "death" of Cyclops, Juggernaut's speech, Juggernaut's powers are not magical, Magneto loses his powers and gains them back which leads into, nearly everything in the movie is undone in the last 5 seconds, no good Phoenix only Dark Phoenix, Psylocke's character, Callisto's character, the bridge scene. Somehow when Magneto begins to move the bridge it's midday and afterward it's night. So it took Magneto like 8 hours to move the bridge?, the character of Bolivar Trask, and others that I'm probably forgetting.
ccchhhrrriiisssm is correct by Grammaton Cleric Binks	May 3rd, 2007 08:50:21 AM
This is the talkback section... You know, discuss, debate, see other opinions even if you disagree with them. This is not the whine like a little girl who dropped her ice cream on the sidewalk and screams until Mommy buys her another scoop with sprinkles section. Debate does now equal hate, now grow up.
Didn't like SM1 or 2 so not expecting much by 9000rpm	May 3rd, 2007 08:58:11 AM
Spiderman 1 was just a a horribly wated opportunity. SM 2 was better (how could it not be) but the lameness of both will come in to full view with Spiderman 3. The Emperor has no clothes and never did.
What was her name, Massawyrm? by GilesT	May 3rd, 2007 08:58:31 AM
..'cause that 'mom' moment clearly happened to you. You've never been able to fuck with the lights off since, have you, mate? Heh heh
I hope the movie doesn't suck as bad as your writing by Pdorwick	May 3rd, 2007 08:58:48 AM
Christ, this is what passes on this website now for a movie review? Tell me you're in grad 8 because that's the only thing that'll excuse such teenage drivel. You should've paid more attention in class, seriously.
No Mass.."I'm gonna see it anyway" DOESN'T make a movie by Frijole	May 3rd, 2007 09:00:00 AM
a giant blockbuster. Repeat business does. And with the number of movies out at a given time, the cost and hassle of a theatre trip etc... factored in, repeat business only comes to movies that people LIKE. Not commericals, reviews, web presence etc. All that is great for awareness and opening weekend #s. But for a movie to achieve DEAD MANS CHEST or X-3 (I know DMC made WAY more than X-3) numbers, it has to capture the interest and imagination of people and work on its own terms as a movie. Otherwise people would not be shelling out the dough to see it again and again.
this is from Rte.ie by emeraldboy	May 3rd, 2007 09:05:08 AM
Spider-Man 3 Director: Sam Raimi Starring: Tobey Maguire, Kirsten Dunst, Thomas Haden Church, Topher Grace, Bryce Dallas Howard, Rosemary Harris, JK Simmons and James Cromwell. Duration: 140 minutes The first summer blockbuster of 2007, 'Spider-Man 3' arrives with fans divided on whether the series should end or continue charting the adventures of Peter Parker/Spider-Man (Maguire). Whichever camp people find themselves in, the expectation that this third instalment would beat the previous two was the same for both sides. The story finds Peter Parker completely comfortable with his double life, dividing his time - unequally - between girlfriend Mary Jane (Dunst) and his calling as a crime fighter. Now a hero and celebrity in New York as Spider-Man, Peter has fallen for his own PR and let his achievements go to his head, unable to see that he's driving a huge wedge between himself and his true love. And the more he lets his superhero costume consume him - literally here - the more he's in danger of paying the ultimate price. 'Spider-Man 3' is a case of contradictions galore. It's the longest of all the 'Spider-Man' films, but manages to feel rushed. It has intriguing subplots - involving Peter's temptress Gwen Stacy (Howard) and the baddies The New Goblin (Franco), The Sandman (Church), Venom (Grace) and the enemy within - but none of them live up to their potential. And while the action scenes and effects raise the bar for future superhero movies, it's the drama you really wanted to remember. Ultimately, 'Spider-Man 3' is a case of too much resulting in too little. For 'Spider-Man 3' to work as well as it could have, it had to be either three-and-a-half hours long or followed by a '3.5' in six months' time. That way, Raimi could have given the four villains - and the actors who played them - the depth they deserved, provided the love triangle between Peter, Mary Jane and Gwen with the energy it needed and tackled Peter's dark nights of the soul more memorably. By the close you'll be hoping there's an extended cut heading for DVD. With Raimi attempting to cram so much onto the screen, 'Spider-Man 3' has the poorest pacing of all three films, its stop-start dynamic and disjointed script making it the weakest of the series. The biggest disappointment of all is that all the pieces were here for the best to be made. Had everything fit into place, this would also have been the perfect swansong. Instead, no-one will think that things should end like this. Harry Guerin
Can't believe no one put up the Randall quote yet by chrth	May 3rd, 2007 09:07:31 AM
People say crazy shit during sex. One time I called this girl "Mom."
Suffers from a sloppy script... by Justus Jonas	May 3rd, 2007 09:08:52 AM
Although I've enjoyed the movie, it felt unfinished and hurried. Also seemed like some important stuff might eventually end up in the "Director's Cut". SPOILER The worst plot device of all was the introduction of the Osborne Butler. If he had the vital information about Norman Osborne then: WHY FOR GOD'S SAKE DIDN'T HE MENTION IT BEFORE??? And Venom - although cool - is ultimately a letdown.
Thinking of Mass's mom always makes me finish by I Dunno	May 3rd, 2007 09:09:44 AM
I can't believe they didn't make the FX much better than they were in part 1.
gboybama by Chilli815	May 3rd, 2007 09:09:54 AM
It may have been a great ride, but it wasn't a good extension of X-Men II.
knowthyself by Fecal Debris	May 3rd, 2007 09:11:39 AM
I LIKED the elevator segment, the pizza time sequence, the Rent! stuff. Helped make the movie, give it charm. The Raindrops montage was needed, as someone mentioned, to help illustrate that Peter was getting comfortable just being his dorky old self again. If that song hadn't been used, it woulda been something else. But I really think that tune worked. Now, emo-Peter dancing in a jazz club, I'm worried.
I thought by BRUTICUS	May 3rd, 2007 09:11:48 AM
the review was good. And believable. And I dont like the implications of which stories are ending and begining and I agree with your sentiments. And yes, I WILL be seeing this movie regardless. Oh well. Im intrigued to see Tobey McGuire play a role as anyone other than dumbfounded sweet but nerdy type.
Nine minute clip from Pixar Rattattoille by Col. Tigh-Fighter	May 3rd, 2007 09:13:42 AM
Enjoy. It rocks http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =NwrJjLDIj1w
chrth... by 7pointedstar	May 3rd, 2007 09:22:26 AM
Ah. Thanks for the clarification. I knew someone on this site absolutely loved it, and - going with his tendency to gush over just about any movie as hyped as X3 was - I remembered it being Harry. But I just looked up the review, and it certainly wasn't him. Hell, for once, I was in total agreement with his review. That doesn't happen often. Still hoping Spider-Man 3 beats my expectations. I'm seeing it at midnight tonight.
Goblin by gbc204	May 3rd, 2007 09:26:47 AM
He's not the Hobgoblin, dammit! I saw this on Tuesday, and it took me a while to figure out what Venom reminded me of. But it just came to me. The tar-like effect, body shape, and even the eyes- It looks EXACTLY like SPAWN. Take that for what you will. Plus, Topher Grace spends a lot of time with the Venom mask off, but with the Venom body, and he looks absolutely ridonculous. This was basically the equivalent of X3- Same characters, same look and feel, but overall, just a little dumber. And the "mean Peter Parker" was totally ripped off from Superman III.
It'll rack up huge #'s... by Kid Z	May 3rd, 2007 09:30:03 AM
...opening weekend... then crash abysmally. But the suits don't care! They've made they're filthy lucre, and will keep making it on tie-ins, video games and toys. All those wonderful toys culled from the overstuffing of characters that Avi Arad insited be crammed into this dog... just before he cashed his massive check and bugged out go to his mansion and take a swim in an olympic-sized poolful of blow. It just breaks my heart that even Raimi, who really delivered on the first two films was bushwacked by the suits on this third outing. Corporations fuck up everything!
Nice Maudib and Harry Harkonnen pic! by briantag	May 3rd, 2007 09:38:38 AM
Well done. Surf the massive penis worm, Massawyrm (or is it Massaworm)?
The Wyrm is right: not bad but a big letdown by Motoko Kusanagi	May 3rd, 2007 09:38:51 AM
First two thirds are quite good, even though some fx look shockingly average (except the great building crane scene). But the last third is very mediocre with some silly cheap sentiment scenes, laughibly bad scenes like the newsreader and the "exorcism"(I mean, WTF???). And the showdown is one big superbore. I'm quite disappointed.
All you guys are emo by T 1000 xp professional	May 3rd, 2007 09:43:40 AM
Parker is just representin.....wow man, lighten up people. Spiderman is generally a lighthearted comic book hero. The raindrops part in 2 was funny, and it worked. I haven't seen 3 yet but i'm pretty jazzed and worried at the same time. The club dance i'm hearing about worries me, but if its anything like the raindrops or propels the story the same way that sequence did.OH boy, you have a happy camper.
$145 million by T 1000 xp professional	May 3rd, 2007 09:44:35 AM
opening weekend..... Any other estimates?
I don't understand, why is Massa complaining... by rbatty024	May 3rd, 2007 09:46:54 AM
that people are goin to see this film anyways, when he's not even giving it a bad review just a "not up to my expectations" review? I thought the "Raindrops" scene in 2 was daring and absolutely hilarious. I was laughing so hard in the theater it was downright embarrasing.
Prediction: $330 million domestic total by ccchhhrrriiisssm	May 3rd, 2007 09:47:18 AM
...and #15 in the all-time domestic list.
Yeah, $145 M opening sounds about right... by ccchhhrrriiisssm	May 3rd, 2007 09:49:02 AM
...but it will not take in the normal three times opening weekend gross during its domestic run.
This is a problem?? by yodaismyhomie	May 3rd, 2007 09:50:23 AM
Sorry, I think if it's only five minutes that suck then the movie will be good. Most sequels hit at least a 10 minute let down in the middle...sometimes more! I remember Jaws 4 having a 90 minute letdown
It's just really different... by seanny_d	May 3rd, 2007 09:50:33 AM
I think that the people proclaiming this as a train wreck are HIGHLY over exaggerating. In my opinion, it's inferior to the first two, but only because it's not given any time really develop the bad guys and the fact that they gave WAY too many lines to barely supporting characters from previous movies. There are problems with it, yes. But overall, it's consistent with the stories of the first two movies. It's difficult to explain, but it just has a different feel than the first two. I'm sure a lot of that has to do with the dancing, but that didn't bother me so much. It's obvious that people are going to be all over the board with this one. Some loving it, others hating it, and some thinking it was just ok. And it makes complete sense.
Never again by Banditmania	May 3rd, 2007 09:53:12 AM
I bought Spiderman 1 on DVD and had to fast forward it was so bad. I rented Spiderman 2 and did the same thing. I won't bother with Spiderman 3.
Spiderman 2 accomplished what Tarantino tried to with.. by rbatty024	May 3rd, 2007 10:01:52 AM
Kill Bill. Not to say that Kill Bill was bad, but I think both films were stitching together different genres (Spiderman consisted of at least a monster movie, horror/slasher, comedy, superhero, cartoon (I know it's a medium, not necessarily a genre but Raimi made it work), sixties sitcom, drama, and many more). Tarantino also tried to piece together different genres but it wasn't as seemless. I actually think Tarantino is a better director, but when pitting these two films together I think Spiderman 2 wins.
DANCE SCENES ARE FOR PUSSIES.(EXCEPT FOR STAYING ALIVE) by Pound Sand	May 3rd, 2007 10:03:14 AM
Tony Manero nails the whole "struggling on Broadway," thing like nobody else
Thanks to this review... by WhoDis	May 3rd, 2007 10:08:02 AM
I'm now realizing that the negatives held against this movie by all the reviews thus far are the same one's people having been gripping about the last two. Sounds like it's another winner by Sam Raimi!!! Can't wait to see it tomorrow!
Spider-Man 2 is the best superhero film since Superman. by Err	May 3rd, 2007 10:10:32 AM
It's simple as that. Not even Batman Begins was as good as Superman: The Movie or Spider-Man 2. Batman Begins was good but not as good as those films.
What a rushed job of a film by Sam Raimi's Car	May 3rd, 2007 10:11:02 AM
Sam, you've let me down. Bruce & Ted, you fraking rock.
The best part of Spider-man 2. by tango fett	May 3rd, 2007 10:13:19 AM
The best scene by far was the milk and chocolate cake with the landlord's daughter. BRILLIANT! If Spidey 3 can't top that, God knows what can.
DAMMIT HE'S NOT THE HOBOGOBLIN by Merlox	May 3rd, 2007 10:21:49 AM
screw the Ultimate Universe...
I thought the whole film was weak EXCEPT for the dance by BendersShinyAss	May 3rd, 2007 10:22:23 AM
He had the black suite on, he was goth. he was possessed. if you ask me Raimi really wasn't into this film. there was nothing perfect in the first half. Sandman's origin is not explained AT ALL. What? he falls intoa big machine full of sand? wow, so what the fuck was it? And the meteorite with the black goo alien... I mean... c'mon. anything can work if done right. This film was so half arsed I'm shocked. felt like the whole production was given over to some other crew. and don't for 1 second put it above x3. X3 was gold compared to this film
DAMNIT! HE'S NOT THE HOBOGOBLIN EITHER! by Err	May 3rd, 2007 10:29:19 AM
It's Hobgoblin and now, Harry is not the Hobgoblin, nor is he the Hobogoblin.
DARK-PETER-PELVIC THRUST & GWEN'S by biggles2_22	May 3rd, 2007 10:32:39 AM
FAT ASS. These are things I took away from this movie. Oh, and X3 sucked + S2 and X2 were farking masterpieces you schmucks. The "Raindrops" segment in 2 totally and completely fit with the theme of Pete giving up his responsibilities. I totally called the Mask segment! Was it meant to be a homage? I don't know. But the reviewers that were watching the movie with me didn't find it "ha-ha" funny. They found it "WTF" funny. As for the seriousness factor in S3, (SPOILER) look what was at stake at the end of S2, the entire city and millions of people being incinerated + MJ. In S3? Just MJ in a car with some totally out-of-place reporters giving a play by play. Next time I see Sam, here in Detroit, I'm totally giving him a nuggie.
The Dark Knight will succeed where this failed by performingmonkey	May 3rd, 2007 10:33:25 AM
OK OK, The Dark Knight is only the second Bat flick, and look how far out the park Raimi knocked Spides 2, but Nolan is including 2 major villains in The Dark Knight - The Joker and Two Face, except we are just going to see the BIRTH of Two Face while the film mostly focusses on The Joker. This is what Raimi should have done with Spides 3, the arrival of Venom should have happened at the end and then it's setup for the potential 4th flick, with all the focus on wrapping up the Harry story and, of course, Sandman. Venom is too big a figure to just include for the fucking sake of it. The only flick where two main villains has worked is BATMAN RETURNS, and even that was by no means perfect. They should have Gwen Stacey become Black Cat in the fourth flick. MWAGHAHAHAGSFGBWAHAHEHEHE!!!!! !!!
better analogy Massawyrm.. by biggles2_22	May 3rd, 2007 10:40:15 AM
...ok, your going down on some fine honey. Things are getting hot, heavy, juicey, and wet! Suddenly, the fish taco she had for lunch makes a report from down-under. That's the way I felt about S3. Biggles out!
I hear its awesome by YouIgnorantGeeks	May 3rd, 2007 10:40:35 AM
Howard Stern said best of 3 and he is a huge spiderman fan of comics as well... in fact everyone on that show raved about it and usually I agree with their reviews (granted not always, like them thinking Jordin on idol is ugly lol). They said one of the reasons its so great is that the actors actually get to act this time. My friend was telling me Elvis Duran on Z100 was also nuts about it, all the reviews I read so far were great as well... In fact only heard kinda bad revies one place only, and thats here... and usally when thats the case I find the movie does kick ass. I wanted to see it Monday in the 5 boro premiere, but frigging tribeca film festival promised for a month "details to follow" on tickets... and instead of following with details they just up and released them with no notice, no "tickets will be available on site starting at such and such a time on such and such a date, expecting to go very quick" Nope... they just put them up with no advance notice whatsoever, even though they had been promising details on how to get tickets for months. Assholes.
I hear its awesome by YouIgnorantGeeks	May 3rd, 2007 10:40:41 AM
Howard Stern said best of 3 and he is a huge spiderman fan of comics as well... in fact everyone on that show raved about it and usually I agree with their reviews (granted not always, like them thinking Jordin on idol is ugly lol). They said one of the reasons its so great is that the actors actually get to act this time. My friend was telling me Elvis Duran on Z100 was also nuts about it, all the reviews I read so far were great as well... In fact only heard kinda bad revies one place only, and thats here... and usally when thats the case I find the movie does kick ass. I wanted to see it Monday in the 5 boro premiere, but frigging tribeca film festival promised for a month "details to follow" on tickets... and instead of following with details they just up and released them with no notice, no "tickets will be available on site starting at such and such a time on such and such a date, expecting to go very quick" Nope... they just put them up with no advance notice whatsoever, even though they had been promising details on how to get tickets for month. Assholes.
I hear its awesome by YouIgnorantGeeks	May 3rd, 2007 10:40:42 AM
Howard Stern said best of 3 and he is a huge spiderman fan of comics as well... in fact everyone on that show raved about it and usually I agree with their reviews (granted not always, like them thinking Jordin on idol is ugly lol). They said one of the reasons its so great is that the actors actually get to act this time. My friend was telling me Elvis Duran on Z100 was also nuts about it, all the reviews I read so far were great as well... In fact only heard kinda bad revies one place only, and thats here... and usally when thats the case I find the movie does kick ass. I wanted to see it Monday in the 5 boro premiere, but frigging tribeca film festival promised for a month "details to follow" on tickets... and instead of following with details they just up and released them with no notice, no "tickets will be available on site starting at such and such a time on such and such a date, expecting to go very quick" Nope... they just put them up with no advance notice whatsoever, even though they had been promising details on how to get tickets for month. Assholes.
YouIgnorantGeeks by biggles2_22	May 3rd, 2007 10:44:50 AM
After reading your post, I totally agree with you that this particular film will be right up your alley.
History has shown... by Fecal Debris	May 3rd, 2007 10:45:28 AM
...that Spidey movies, even for haters, is like pizza or sex. Even when it's not what you expected, it ain't that bad at all. I'm sure I'll love it, while at the same time am positive that it will not surplant my favorite movie of all time, "Lesbian Masseuse Training."
He calls us "You Ignorant Geeks" by Fecal Debris	May 3rd, 2007 10:46:21 AM
But posts the same friggin' thing three times in a row. Just hit "post comment" once, choad!
I did hit post comment once F*cktard by YouIgnorantGeeks	May 3rd, 2007 10:50:06 AM
Must be the site that screwed up... as lots of times I see double posts followed by someone apolgizing and saying they "didn't realize they did it" More like they didn't do it, the site screwed up. Again, spiderman 3 will rock you all, its just one of those movies that for some reason this site has decided to insult no matter what.
X3 wasn't really that much of a success really... by spectrebeeyatch	May 3rd, 2007 10:51:11 AM
It was suspected to be a record breaker and it simply wasn't. People who have never read X-men comics hate the movie I know many. Most of the people here defend simply just to defend it. The movie is simply horrible and I'm sure that like 8 minute horrible sequence in Spider-man 3 is about a thousand time better than all of X3 that had sooooo many pot holes im surprised the film just didn't create a black hole and sucked itself in. I mean all of you who loved it so much you must own the dvd... Watch it again it's hard I tried watching it a second time and I found more things wrong. Like if you have an army made of about fifty mutants why did you rip the golden gate bridge off and connect it to the island when you could have taken a boat because really all the bridge did was allow the human army to easily block their exit plan. IT WAS STUPID. Also notice that when Magneto moves the bridge it's like mid day but when they attack the base it's pitch black night time what did they do stop and eat snacks? That movie is horrible...
Oh, whatever you do, if your in NYC by YouIgnorantGeeks	May 3rd, 2007 10:53:05 AM
Don't see Avida at the TFF if there are still showings... Crappy movie.
I caught it the other night by heman1kid	May 3rd, 2007 10:55:28 AM
I live overseas and for once I get to see a movie in the theaters before the US. Anyways, It was an enjoyable movie but it just didn't live up to expectations. They tried to put in too much in too little time of time frame for a movie. If maybe the movie was 3 hrs it would of worked better. Biggest complaint is that there was not enough Venom. He/they was/were bad ass. Sandman was pretty sweet as well and Gwen Stacy I'll put in the Venom category, not enough. All in all it's a good, fun movie with all the elements that a movie should have; action, laughter, tears, etc. For the big fan boys it won't impress but then again what does but for everybody else its a good night out.
Nice review Massawyrm by B0D	May 3rd, 2007 10:57:29 AM
Ignore those weak minded, easily offended pricks that whine and complain at the very mention of sex. Weirdos. I agree with WhoDis, it's a Sam Raimi movie and I loved all the silliness in the 2nd Spider-Man, some of which was even relevant. That scene with the tentacles killing everyone in the operating room was sublime. Perfect even. Looking forward to more of the same.
Black Cat by 7pointedstar	May 3rd, 2007 10:57:45 AM
Purely looks-wise, Jessica Simpson would make the perfect Black Cat. Unfortunately, she's an idiot and a terrible actress. But she looks just like Felicia Hardy. And I'd love to see her in some black leather. I'd love to see Black Cat in a Spidey flick. I've always thought they have a good "will they or won't they" relationship. But she would be difficult to cast. Maybe the cheerleader chick from Heroes.
YouIgnorantGeeks by Fecal Debris	May 3rd, 2007 10:58:36 AM
I'm not offended, because the word "fucktard" makes me laugh, plus I was just bustin' your balls. I'm sure I'll like the movie--seein' it tonight. I'm positive I'll have to tell the geeky theater worker kid to "clean up in aisle 20" because I blew my jizzlobb
Sounds like Buffy. by kikuchiyoboy	May 3rd, 2007 10:59:04 AM
I'm there.
what is wrong with you X3 haters? by BendersShinyAss	May 3rd, 2007 11:03:16 AM
Maybe it's because I don't masturbate to the comics or wear a yellow wolverine pajama suit to bed, but I thought X3 was a fucking top flick! Now I loved the first film - nicely done, and I even let slip the 3rd act action scenes because I know they were trying. But that second film, x2... now that was a boring piece of SHIT. And I also think Superman Returns is a boring piece of shit. (except for 2 scenes - plane rescue and flying with loise lane) But my point is this - X2 was TRAAAAAASH. and i hold my challenge on ANYONE here to go through with me all the things that make X2 'the perfect film'. Seriosuly, I'm never seeing another Singer film again. As for Spiderman 3... It's not what I'd call a bad film, but it is most certainly 'clunky' and hard to digest
If you walk without rhythm by kwisatzhaderach	May 3rd, 2007 11:04:14 AM
you won't attract the worm...
No way can she be black cat by YouIgnorantGeeks	May 3rd, 2007 11:06:16 AM
Her face is too "dur" ish. Not saying its not a hot face... but it does have that constant "durr" look to it. Plus she... well she just can't do that attitude. I mean the only reason she is sexy is 100% her looks... like most sexy people its looks and attitude.... but she coudlnt be sexy if she tried attitude wise, and isn't blackcat supposed to have that type of attitude? And Buffy rules.
Now Eliza Dushku would be a good black cat by YouIgnorantGeeks	May 3rd, 2007 11:12:07 AM
Thats more how I see black cat... like a Faith type character and attitude... Plus Eliza is a helluva lot hotter. And how exactly will the white hair look on screen? Lol... I always wondered that... I mean old people have white hair, but isn't that what she has (at least in costume) I mean its not a very blonde hair... its white. Eliza Dushku should do it, and get spinoff movie.
Harry is not Hobgoblin by Veni Vidi Vici	May 3rd, 2007 11:12:32 AM
why do people always make this mistake? I knew Venom being in the movie would just clusterfuck the whole thing. Should have saved him for the 4th film.
raindrops, elevator and saturday night fever by speed	May 3rd, 2007 11:13:28 AM
scenes actually entertained me. I also thought the mighty bruce was the best thing about the movie. JJJ was also great. the movie only comes alive during its comedic moments.
Blame Avi Arad. by wowsah156	May 3rd, 2007 11:18:14 AM
Avi Arad insisted to Sam Raimi that Venom be in the movie. Thats why the story is a bit of mess.Avi Arad need to stay well the fuck away from deciding storylines. Venom's origin has been ruined by Avi's bad decisions. Venom's origin should have been a whole movie by itself , but in 3 Venom is relegated to 20 mins max. Incompetent. Avi Arad fuck off!!!
"it's a Sam Raimi movie and I loved all the silliness" by WhoDis	May 3rd, 2007 11:19:58 AM
Exactly, B0D!
Raimi never wanted Venom by YouIgnorantGeeks	May 3rd, 2007 11:20:52 AM
So its either Venom like this... or none at all... and I take it like this since, again, most reviews are stellar.
ccchhhrrriiisssm, I agree. I loved X3. by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz	May 3rd, 2007 11:23:23 AM
I am in the minority with you. Normally I would scoff at such a departure from the development of the characters and story line for a beloved comic book in the case of X3 it delivered upon a promise that I was hoping for in X2 with a full out action paced superhero movie that just kicked ass IMO. I know that this is just as heated of an argument as is Transformers but yup, I loved every single min of X3. As far as S3, of course I am going. Nothing could keep me from seeing it no matter how awful the reviews are. It's just one of those things as he said, everyone is going no matter what. I pray it's not a suck fest but I think there will be enough in there to like that I won't walk away feeling like total shit as I did when I saw Phantom Menace for the first time.
so sad.... by Russman	May 3rd, 2007 11:29:50 AM
You people are just so sad. Why do I even bother.
sounds like the "rave scene" in matrix 2... by JimmyJoe RedSky	May 3rd, 2007 11:30:18 AM
that scene ruined that movie (for me)... oh well - i was never fully onboard for spiderman anyway - the dance scene in question that sours the new movie sounds like a natural extension of the "rain drops keep fallin on my head" scene from spidey 2 - that was too cute for its own good - and out of place
! by Knightsong	May 3rd, 2007 11:31:13 AM
In a nuteshell the movie was good. Admittedly the only reason Gwan Stacy was in the movie wat all was for the whole love conflict thing so they have something for Mary Jane to do other than cheer "Go get 'em, Tiger!" The biggest complaint I have with the whole movie is Peter's disco dance segment...it is gay. Megagay. It's about 2/3 the way through the movie and it last about 10 minutes and it had myself and my friends looking at each other like WTF? It was pretty stupid. Other than that the movie was fine. The end battle was the best the 3 movies had to offer and is well worth your price of admission. While the relationship troubles and Mary Jane's problems with her career seem a bit unecessary in the film, it's not bad. So go enjoy the film. The villains in this movie were probabaly the best of the 3 films.
I'd vote for Eliza Dushku by kikuchiyoboy	May 3rd, 2007 11:31:18 AM
in anything wearing almost nothing.
also... by JimmyJoe RedSky	May 3rd, 2007 11:34:38 AM
i agree with some other posters... that x3 wasnt nearly as bad as everyone hoped it would be - my expectations were very low - and i was pleasantly surprised and satisfied by it - i even liked their take on phoenix - believable and scary
X3 was good... by YouIgnorantGeeks	May 3rd, 2007 11:37:46 AM
Maybe not great like X2, but still pretty damn good... maybe better then X1. People just like to hate on stuff.
the two biggest things hurting spiderman... by JimmyJoe RedSky	May 3rd, 2007 11:42:20 AM
for me - are toby mcguire and kirsten dunst - bore-ring - they make me sleepy - a spiderman movie needs more charismatic leads, like the actors playinfg the villains (and a hotter female lead) - sorry, dunst gives me a hard-off - and mcguire's a good enough actor - but peter parker should be played by someone who doesnt appear to be high all the time - he looks baked
X3 was not a great movie by LizardKing69	May 3rd, 2007 11:50:50 AM
had it been the first X movie it would have been great. As it stands, it's an ok movie that had great potential.Why? let's examine.Cyclops is way underused and misrepresented. He should be leader of the team yet aside from X1 he's been filler. Wolverine was the money maker in Fox's eyes, so he gets the attention...great. How the hell does Wolverine get from the Pacific Northwest and back again on a motorcycle in record time? For that matter, how does the throw away Angel character make it to San Francisco from New York so quick? Where was the Phoenix effect we saw breifly in X2? Do you mean to tell me that Fox couldn't shell out a few more baubles and trinkets to add a cool effect to one of it's movies main characters which was already alluded to in the previous movie? Maybe Fox thought we didn't catch it. Magneto would never have abandoned Mystique like he did. Sorry, way out of character. Cyclops death. What an inglorious death to a character with lots of potential. We don't even get to see what happened. Fox must have been running out of our money at the time. Professor X dying. Patrick Stewart didn't want to return for another go around and Fox probably thought we're not savvy enough to accept another bald actor in the role for a possible 4th movie. Now they can get anyone they want to play the character. The plot was a basic rehash of X2. Yeah, mutants are feared, but do we really need another movie with a plot about someone trying to get rid of them? X1 was a simple good mutant/bad mutant showdown and for the most part it worked. X2 opened up a lot of possibilities for a showdown with the Hellfire Club, or the Sentinels, or the Shi'ar, but we get a reworked plot from a previous movie instead. I could go on, but it's clear that Fox wanted this movie out before Superman Returns and rushed it. Too bad, it could have been something more. As it is, my concern for Spiderman is that it's going to try and put too many characters and plots together ala X3, Batman 2-4 etc. I'm sure I'll enjoy it, but I'm afraid I'm going to come away from it saying it could've have been great.
Maguire is perfect by YouIgnorantGeeks	May 3rd, 2007 11:51:42 AM
Thats all I'm going to say about that.
Massawyrm doesn't like it... by Freefinger	May 3rd, 2007 11:55:04 AM
...Then I'm going to see it. 5 minutes of bad, and you can't get back in the movie? Dude stop going to the theater and start watching Oprah! When you get stuck for + 1 hour of thinking "WTF WAS THAT DANCING" you need to learn to let go, it didn't go on for the whole movie, it's five minutes, horrible, probably but 5 minutes!
The Sat Night Fever bit was HILARIOUS! by cganimation	May 3rd, 2007 11:58:11 AM
Get over it, Masa! The film needed that moment to let out some laughs and transistion into the intense remainder of the second act.
X2 was the best, X3 was the most enjoyable by AlwaysThere	May 3rd, 2007 12:05:10 PM
You thick headed twits don't seem to understand that.
Any movie with Famke Jansen in leather by Fecal Debris	May 3rd, 2007 12:08:12 PM
Gets a thumbs up...and a palms-down, in my pants
Avi Arad issue by Freefinger	May 3rd, 2007 12:14:46 PM
I agree with most people that Arad isn't there to produce a franchise. The fans we're hoping for Venom, Raimi wanted to go for it in either #4 or #5, but got pressured to "get him in!" Arad needs to have his head examined. You start off with a very good Spiderman movie with the first flick by having Green Goblin (Even if I hated the stupid costume), you follow it up with Doc Oc and another good movie (Althought compared to Superman and X3 it was a f**king masterpiece). Then the director wants to follow to logic of the character by introducing Sandman the next great vilain, and then you have Arad... Who comes in and thinks he's the one behind all the success for the first films. Marvel has got to keep Arad from pushing his Directors from doing storylines that they don't want to do. Else, you get a 20 minute Venom sequence instead of an hour long sequence. Present the Black suit int his one (Try to get it right intead of just painting the same damn red and blue one to black), by the end make Peter get rid of it, Bells and everything else, and then have us wishing for more. Then come back with Spidey 4 and the Venom storyline, harrasses MJ, freaks her out, ect ect.. Concentrate your movies on a max of 2 vilains and 2 storylines. Else you lose the fans in way to many things going on at once. I'm pretty sure it's still a decent to good movie, has the first ones (minus the dancing), but if your Director says "I don't want to explore this right now, let's do it next time around!" you say ok, or get someone that will do it. Raimi was pressured so he'll probably won't deliver what we were all expecting of this flick, but hell. So I truly am crossing my fingers for Iron Man, from the looks of thing right now Favereau has complete control, which is great, because Arad would've messed that one too! Having said this, Spidey 3 + Arad + Raimi is still better than going to see "Superman Returns Again".
About what Howard Stern said by AlwaysThere	May 3rd, 2007 12:16:20 PM
He's been a huge fan of the Spider-man movies. He's seen all three, he liked all three. However, he puts the first movie on a high pedestal and has been saying for 3 years now that the second movie wasn't as good. He was privy to a private screen of part 3 and enjoyed it but still thinks the first movie is the best. He's a geek through and through. If you're a diehard Spider-man geek like him you'll adore this third movie. If you don't consider yourself to be in that category you'll find lots of faults with Spider-man 3.
When Howard saw the movie by Fecal Debris	May 3rd, 2007 12:18:43 PM
was he highly aroused? Did he finish in his pants? Cuz I'm gonna
AlwaysThere... by YouIgnorantGeeks	May 3rd, 2007 12:24:15 PM
Did he change his opinion? I heard him talk about it right before Maguire came in, and during, and he said he thought it was the best of the 3, and I believe he said because of the acting being a bigger part then the other movies... Did he change his opinion... I mean not his opinion on the movie, he obviously thinks it kicks ass... but I mean on which he thought was better
X2 really was the best ! by motormouth_4_20	May 3rd, 2007 12:26:17 PM
It really was because X3 was just about blowing shit up and Raturd couldn't even do that good.
Regardless of whether you like the movie or not... by slone13	May 3rd, 2007 12:27:29 PM
...this will be the biggest movie of the summer. Yes, even over Pirates 3. From AP: Fandango.com reports that sales of Spidey 3 are four times the sales of its predecessor and accounted for 47% of all the tickets Fandango sold on Monday.
I saw Spidey 3 last week... by AvonBarksdale	May 3rd, 2007 12:29:54 PM
I liked it, but didn't love it. I actually didn't mind the dance kinda wacky stuff. It's a Sam Raimi movie for Christ's sake. Look at the Evil Dead movies. There is some pure silliness in there and they all still work. My problem was actually with Mary Jane. She pissed me off to no end. Minor Spoiler.... She is angry with Peter because Spiderman gets all the attention and she as an actress doesn't. To the point that she breaks up with him and goes off with his best friend. That to me makes her an unredeemable character as Spidey's girlfriend and she never really apologizes for being a complete bitch about this. I mean WTF, of course he gets more attention then you. He's Spiderman, he's an actual superhero, he saves lives and you're an actress in a Broadway musical who got fired after her first night. Do you really want the hero of the movie pining for someone so petty. I don't need to love Mary Jane's character, but I certainly didn't want to hate her. I also had some other issues but they're all in deep spoiler territory so I'll leave them alone for now. Still liked it overall though.
Hmm...Eliza Dushku. by 7pointedstar	May 3rd, 2007 12:38:03 PM
That's a pretty good idea. And we know she's not doing anything. No more Buffy, Tru Calling failed to really catch on, etc. You know, it's a shame they had to use Jessica Alba for Sue Storm...because she would have been a pretty good Black Cat too. I remember thinking that during the 35 seconds Dark Angel was on the air.
So the second half of Spidy 3 is like fucking your mom? by ATARI	May 3rd, 2007 12:38:49 PM
And I do mean your mom, not my mom.
Dance Sequence makes the movie by Caped Revenger2	May 3rd, 2007 12:41:30 PM
It shows the personality and light, humanist touch that separates Sam Raimi movies from bland, ultraserious David Goyer movies.
Atari by AvonBarksdale	May 3rd, 2007 12:42:35 PM
No I believe he said that the second half of the movie wasn't that good and we all know that mom's the shit.
100% agree with Mass.....and X3 blows! by Kasch	May 3rd, 2007 12:44:26 PM
Massawyrm echos my thoughts on Spidey 3 completely. It was like he got into my head and wrote out exactly what I was thinking. Oh, and X3 is a soulless piece of shit. Thanks all you fanboys for lapping it up like salivating dogs.
$500 Million Opening by ObiWanCon	May 3rd, 2007 12:50:57 PM
\S/
to defend Xmen TLS by teddanson37	May 3rd, 2007 12:56:31 PM
X3 was a great movie. i believe singer created a nice version of the x-men but the x-men in x3 better represent my childhood heroes. X2 did not suck. it was great. X3 had a few things X2 did not. X2 lacked a kick-butt battle sequence. X3 had quite a few. X2 had the killer nightcrawler sequence in the first five seconds of the movie and then left you wanting more the whole time only to get wolvie vs wolvette and some big dam busting open. nothing else in the movie closely resembles an action sequence. yeah there's some cool shit in there, like mags' escape from prison, pyro's incident with the fuzz, and storm vs the fighter jets. the all-out-mutant brawl at x3's conclusion overshadowed anything in previous xfilms. second thing X2 did not have was the team element. it felt like wolverine and the super-kids. seriously. X3 gives you tons of mutants, in small doses, but tons none the less. Singer chose to overdose on three or four, but mostly wolverine. and i hate how he split the team up constantly. it was great just to see the six x-men left standing, suit up and go into battle together. yeah, i hate the idea of rogue losing her powers, and i hate the terrible handling of cyke's death. but xavier's death and magneto's depowering were epic. it's a good movie overall though. not the best ever. but better than the other two in certain areas that are crucial to the nature of the comic book. i know it's cool to hate movies that are popular. it was cool to like the original film cuz no one knew who the x-men were. but after wolverine becomes a household name, it's not cool to be a fan anymore. i just can't lie to myself i guess. i know the ten-year-old version of me would have loved X3 far more than the other ones.
So do the mediocre AICN reviews of this mean.... by www.valiens.com	May 3rd, 2007 12:56:34 PM
...that we can finally put to rest the notion that all the reviewers do is cater to the studios? These guys should be drooling themselves for this flick. They wanted to. At least give an A for honesty.
Thank you for an honest opinion by Rupee88	May 3rd, 2007 12:58:41 PM
This clearly looks shitty and I'm glad that you weren't too apologetic in saying so.
teddanson37 I see your point about X3 but.... by www.valiens.com	May 3rd, 2007 01:01:15 PM
... It still didn't gel together well as a movie. It could have been a totally kick-ass LOTR3. Instead it was Chronicles of Narnia. Sure there was lots to like, but overall it was meh. The 2nd was a classic IMO.
You guys sound so desperate to like it by Rupee88	May 3rd, 2007 01:02:30 PM
It is clear that you can't get through the day unless you believe in your hearts that Spidey3 will be great. You will go see it and say "That rocked" and then a year or two later, you will say, "it's kind of a sucky movie"...gotta love how the mind works sometimes in low IQ individuals. Well have fun...I wish my mind worked that way too, but I'm staying away from this one.
X2 sucks? by Cellar Door	May 3rd, 2007 01:08:29 PM
Ok..your opinion...I get that..but you have to admit the intro with Night Crawler was totally kick ass! The Magneto escape scene also kicked ass! Personally, I liked 1&2 better than 3 but didn't hate 3. It was as good/bad as I expected and at the very least, the Dark Phoenix aspect deserved far more than what it got. And tho I'm no fan of the Rat..I don't entirely blame him for it. Basically, anything with a muscle-suit is bound to have some degree of suckage in it...you just can't avoid that I'm afraid. As for Spidey3...I'd prefer a 4th with Venom treated separately or..even better...use The Lizard! For chrissakes you had Conners in all 3 flicks and no Lizard??!?!!? But I have faith in Sam...just the laughing desk lamp scene with Bruce in ED2 alone is enough for me to respect the Raimi.
LizardKing69 by teddanson37	May 3rd, 2007 01:10:43 PM
i was going to post a response to your x3 rant, saying how i disagree that magneto would not have abandoned mystique, and how great a moment it actually was because we saw what a cold villain he actually was. but then i realized this debate between X2 and X3 is kinda like startrek fans debating between kirk and picard, and that would be really geeky. so i'm not going to participate in that debate any longer... x3's awesome
slone yes I saw that Fandango figure too by Fecal Debris	May 3rd, 2007 01:12:28 PM
when I bought my tickets. At first glance, I thought it was impressive, but then I realized, well what other movie right now would people be buying their tix for in ADVANCE? Of course Spidey has at least 47% of their sales. In fact, you'd think it would be more. The more impressive figure is that advance tix are going 3x faster than they did for Spidey 2.
UGH! by I am a machineee	May 3rd, 2007 01:12:52 PM
"The appearance of the Hobgoblin." I'm sick of people saying that, HARRY OSBORN DOES NOT BECOME THE HOBGOBLIN, ONLY THE GREEN GOBLIN! Only in Ultimate Spider-Man did Harry become the Hobgoblin. Otherwise, fuck beans! Harry is THE GREEN GOBLIN!
we can't all be like you Rupee by just pillow talk	May 3rd, 2007 01:12:55 PM
Us low IQ folk will have to try and live our lives the best we can. Thanks for showing us the error of our ways...
Hate to ruin your secret identity but I think I just... by rbatty024	May 3rd, 2007 01:20:57 PM
figured out your real identity: with an IQ like yours you must be Stephen Hawkins. Thanks for taking time off from theorizing about black holes so you could chat with us little folk. If you deign to even read this post it will be the highlight of my life. P.S. A Brief History of Time rocked!
Oh shit, that meant to say "Hate to ruin your secret... by rbatty024	May 3rd, 2007 01:23:31 PM
identity Rupee." Goes to show how low my IQ is.
No wait, it' "I meant to say." Damn, I suck. by rbatty024	May 3rd, 2007 01:24:22 PM

Oh Rupee, you are too legit to quit. by Prespez	May 3rd, 2007 01:26:40 PM
There's nothing wrong with wanting to like a movie. There's certainly nothing stupid about it. Stupid is going on a talk back for a movie that you've decided you have no interest in seeing, then criticizing the people posting on it. The best thing is in a couple of days you'll post a negative review after you were dragged to see it by your imaginary girlfriend.
I'll be seeing it in 10 hours by Fecal Debris	May 3rd, 2007 01:32:28 PM
I think I'm going to come
it's okay rbatty... by just pillow talk	May 3rd, 2007 01:38:53 PM
we get to wear special helmets and padding to "protect" ourselves. Rupee is jealous. I'm completely jealous Abom. Bastard.
YouIgnorantGeeks by AlwaysThere	May 3rd, 2007 01:42:07 PM
I don't recall him changing his mind just before Tobey came in, but if he did I'd say it was to really kiss Tobey's ass since the guy was right there in front of him.
Hobgoblin????????????? by shakermakerman	May 3rd, 2007 01:43:59 PM
hob nobs to that thought it was the green goblin?
I disagree with most of Massawyrm's opinions by Gwai Lo	May 3rd, 2007 01:45:37 PM
So this review is fairly encouraging.
Haters are like football pundits by emeraldboy	May 3rd, 2007 01:47:08 PM
In their minds they pick the team and roast the manager when he doesnt include they players they think should be on pitch. So in thier minds haters pick the cast, choose the director, set the design, have ideas about what should be in the script. When they dont get what they like they rant and rave about unfair the studio system is. X-3 was a great film and i enjoyed it. Stewart and mCkellan were terrific in it. Haters, dont like screenwriters who bring real world issues into to comic book films and it is evident that very few peopele got over superman 4. Haters idolise comic books to the point where if there is even one mistake they will lash out.
It is a little disheartening, though... by Fecal Debris	May 3rd, 2007 01:54:07 PM
...to see SM3's "fresh" rating drop from the high 80s to the mid 60s in the last two days. Maybe it is too bloated with subplots, half-sketched villains and shoe-horned villains, etc.
Spiderman 3 by emeraldboy	May 3rd, 2007 01:57:51 PM
The vibe that is coming off this movie is that Raimi didnt want to do this one at all and forced to do it by greedy execs. He is the director and as such , i cannot understand or believe that he didnt lay down the ground rules with Maguire before filming. it seems that according to people behind the scenes, someone leant on him to include Venom, a character he didnt want to include. The mistake they made with x-men was not taking a break between movies, it should have been like this X-men. Wolverine. X-men2(the united title was stupid). MAgneto. x-men 3 and so on. Let animators do comic book movies.
Abom, keep the positive outlook by just pillow talk	May 3rd, 2007 01:58:27 PM
Don't get weighed down by the so-so reviews until you see it for yourself.
The films "code name" is "Let's Dance Again".... by JackLucas	May 3rd, 2007 02:10:26 PM
Seriously, that is the code name that Sony is sending the film out under. Even they are in on the joke that this movie is nothing more than a slap in the face to both comic book fans and those that enjoyed the first two films. I am a projectionist that had to build up three prints of this peice of dogshit yesterday. The group that I watched it with last night was nothing short of disgusted. I have only once ever before in my time working in theaters seen such a monumnetal shift in an audience's attitude from the beginning of a film to the end of it. That film was Star Wars Episode I. There was only one guy out of the twenty-some people that were in my screening that actually enjoyed it and all he kept saying was how funny it was. Everyone else was just making a lot of wild hand movements as they asked what in the fuck Sam Raimi had been on while he was writing the screenplay and directing this trainwreck. The ABSOLUTE only time I found myself enjoying this movie was when Bruce Campbell was on screen. And that scene lasts all of about five minutes. So... if you want to drop $8-$10 for a very funny dose of The Chin, by all means, go. But for those out there who want a really great comic book movie, you might wanna wait til next year when The Dark Knight hits. Because this is an abortion. Stan Lee should be ashamed of himself for even appearing in a cameo in it. Nuff Said indeed.
Wait. by AnnoyYou	May 3rd, 2007 02:12:17 PM
You mean including Sandman, Venom AND fake-Green-Hob-Goblin as villains WASN'T a great idea? No! Jesus. Venom would have been enough. I hope to God the makers of The Dark Knight are taking a lesson here: the Joker is enough! Concentrate on him!
Wyrmm, a REAL Spidey fan... by Borgnine JR	May 3rd, 2007 02:19:02 PM
...would know that peter and mary jane getting married is a BAD idea. Also Maguire is a mope. Frankie Muniz is the ultimate peter parker.
Massawyrm by trombone	May 3rd, 2007 02:20:41 PM
your analogy starts out great, but it just doesn't deliver. Instead of the girl next door asking if you called your mother, you should look down and "IT IS YOUR MOTHER"!!!! That would be a boner-killer (unless you're into that)
X2- great, X1- good, X3- trash by Darth Thoth	May 3rd, 2007 02:28:45 PM
NYC- IMAX. I'll be there tonight for the SM-3 midnight show, wearing an orange skull cap. Holla at me. Peace!
too many villains? by teddanson37	May 3rd, 2007 02:28:57 PM
(before seeing the film) i agree venom should probably be set up in this one and left as a cliffhanger for 4. I think Harry should have gone all goblin in act 3 of spidey 2. harry just kind of shuffles around and drinks and cries about his daddy throughout 2. i like the batman begins approach throwing in a few villains but never letting them take center stage. i wouldn't mind a few villains like rhino or the scorpion showing up for fifteen minutes only to be caught by spidey so they could bust out in future films. at first that's what i thought sandman was doing in the film if venom was a major player this time. --nine and half hours to go.
Spider-man 3 Production Notes by Scorpio	May 3rd, 2007 02:36:49 PM
http://tinyurl.com/24ghqr Some nice gems of information in there from the producers and Raimi. HUGE article!
I am sorry, but this is Sam Raimi by jmyoung666	May 3rd, 2007 02:39:13 PM
Regardless of all the detractors, I cannot believe this will be an X-3 suckfest. (Of course, I liked The Hulk until the last 15 minutes)
i have no quarrel with any X-Men film by mrbong	May 3rd, 2007 02:42:18 PM
and nor do i have any issues with any of the Spidey films to date. i only saw the first two for the Bruce Campbell cameo appearances anyway, and that is why i will be seeing this. I am of the opinion that this "Massawyrm" is a studio plant anyway. He is such a complete cock in his review that it seems like a desperate attempt to get people to go and see the film in some lame attempt to spite him. and, when you, think about it, "Massawyrm" is EXACTLY how Jar Jar Binks (that well loved character, you may recall) would say "massive worm".
bacci40 by biggles2_22	May 3rd, 2007 02:48:10 PM
No they didn't turn Venom into a cloud but (MAJOR PLOT HOLE & SPOILER) they did leave a part of him in Pete's professors lab. Maybe it bonded with Gwen Stacey's BIG F-ING ASS, that Raimi was trying to cleverly hide during the entire movie.
This one should have been by a rolling stone	May 3rd, 2007 02:51:45 PM
This one should have been Harry and Sandman with Venom building at the end. Next one: Dr. Conners goes all 'Lizard' and Venom kicks ass. I know I'm gonna feel the same way I did back in '89, when Nicholson dropped from that cathedral tower with the gargoyle tied to his leg. You can't kill the Joker and you can't kill Venom. That's like taking the Devil out of the Bible. That being said, I'll be there tonight. And what happened to Bruce doing a cameo as Mysterio? I really wanted that to happen!
Same thing with X3 by a rolling stone	May 3rd, 2007 02:56:18 PM
They need to quit killing off the important characters for shock value! Writers: if you can't wrap up the multi-layered plot you've outlined, change the script. Killing off a character who isn't supposed to die, simply because you don't know what to do with them all, is lazy and unfulfilling.
I told you so! by Nick Michalak	May 3rd, 2007 03:06:01 PM
I've been telling people for MONTHS that this is exactly the film they were gonna get! Too many plot threads jam-packed into a film that cannot balance them out, let alone resolve them properly. I HATED Spider-Man 2, and everything I hear of this film just makes it sound worse than that film. FUCK SAM RAIMI! Yes, I love Evil Dead, I love Darkman, but this is just a ridiculously overstuffed film. Raimi should've known better than to overload one film with so much shit. People and their trilogy-fixations, get over it, please! Oh well, I guess Verbinski & Bruckheimer are getting a little more of my cash this summer. Here's to hoping that, if Spider-Man films continue, we get some new creative and level-headed talent involved (or some talent at all). I could blather on, but I don't even want to hear it anymore. There's nothing left in the Spidey films to lure me back aside from a dead-on adaptation of Kraven's Last Hunt. -NJM
Seems like it's still a postive review though... by Larry of Arabia	May 3rd, 2007 03:11:59 PM
He said the first half is great and the second half is good. There is a sequence that spoils it. Alot of peoples reaction seems to be resigned disappointment that it didn't kick ass like Spiderman 2.
I've always hated the fact... by 7pointedstar	May 3rd, 2007 03:15:18 PM
...that writers feel the need to kill off the villain to offer resolution in a comic book movie's story. One of the lone exceptions, it seems, is Lex Luthor. It just doesn't make sense. Besides, what is the hero doing between sequels? Two years passed between Spider-Man and Spider-Man 2. You're telling me no supervillains manifested during that time period? Just foiled purse snatches and armored car robberies? It's just more believable for the bad guy to get away sometimes. Look at the Scarecrow in Batman Begins. He was defeated...but he'll be back. That's how it needs to be done. Then again, if they tried hard enough, they could bring back Norman Osborn in the Spider-Man movies. He got stabbed in the legs and supposedly died from internal bleeding...but it'd be pretty simple to make all those visions Harry keeps seeing a little more real than we thought they were. Norman could be manipulating his son into taking up the Green Goblin mantle since he's supposed to be dead and can't get revenge on Spider-Man without attracting unnecessary attention. But that's just a little "wouldn't it be nice if" speculation.
Amount of villans has nothing to do with movie quality by Larry of Arabia	May 3rd, 2007 03:22:03 PM
It's a fallicy based on the rapid deterioration of the Batman movies in the 90's. A good superhero movie can juggle any number of bad guys. Batman Begins had 3 - Ra's Al Guhl, Scarecrow, and Falcone. Batman Begins kicked ass. Superman 2, the best of the Superman movies had 4 villans - Zod, Ursa, Non, and Luthor. Meanwhile the craptastic FF and Superman Returns, which isn't great but not as bad it's reputation, had just one.
Massawyrm rubs it out lookin' at his neighbor! by TheUglyBaby	May 3rd, 2007 03:23:30 PM
(__)__) EW!
That would be nice. by a rolling stone	May 3rd, 2007 03:25:31 PM
Norman faking his death and using his son as a weapon would be pimp. I also want to see Ra's Al Ghul come back in the Bat franchise. No body was found in the wreckage, he has a league of assassins watching his back, he's ninja level himself, and almost every Al Ghul comic story ends in his 'death', but the dude's got a patten on Lazerus Pits. They started the franchise with Ra's, and when the franchise comes to an end, they should end it with him, too. And yeah, it would also be cool to see Scarecrow return. At least they left the door open...
X3 was butt by Phategod2	May 3rd, 2007 03:48:53 PM
The story was pathetic the acting Horrible the effects subpar the action made no sense> Juggernaut runs off to kill a kid lets send the little girl who can run though walls instead Russian Giant who can turn into metal.
Sam Raimi is one of the gods i worship. by future help	May 3rd, 2007 03:49:57 PM
love ya' Sam! and Bruce too!
Harry Osborn is NOT the Hobgoblin by Faust_8	May 3rd, 2007 03:52:41 PM
Come one, I can't be the only comics geek to pick that one up.
X-3 by livrule	May 3rd, 2007 03:54:42 PM
Every person I know who does not read comics LOVED it .... short, sharp to the point. Its the geeks that hated it ... and lets be honest ... Geeks hate because it makes them feel GOOOOOD. X3 was fine, end of!
X-3 was not fine and suffered what Spider-Man 3 has... by Err	May 3rd, 2007 03:57:18 PM
clusterfuck syndrome. People who can't or won't or refuse to acknowledge this doesn't understand what makes a good film a good film.
I know a guy who reads the comics a by Phategod2	May 3rd, 2007 03:58:39 PM
and he completely hated it. Dont go posting Opinion as fact. Kind of makes you look dumb.
X-3 is definition of by Phategod2	May 3rd, 2007 04:00:07 PM
Clusterfuck 2nd definition Batman and robin
Phategod2 by livrule	May 3rd, 2007 04:01:02 PM
You just proved my point ..... Thanks!! .... Thats dumb!
W---wait....A DANCE NUMBER!?!?!? by Darth_Gonz	May 3rd, 2007 04:49:31 PM
WHAT IN THE GODDAMN?
WHAT? by Toxin94	May 3rd, 2007 04:54:52 PM
You guys said ghost rider sucked to and that ruled well not completly but th eva mendes clevage helped
Just got my tickets for the 12am showing at Hunt Valley by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz	May 3rd, 2007 04:57:40 PM
I must admit now that I know I am going tonight I am stoked. Hopefully won't be let down but then again I've always been a fan of Raimi so I know what to expect from him in terms of silliness. I am going into this with the mindset that it will be mindless and fun as not to raise my expectations to high. Still I am worried. Oh well no turning back now. It's obvious this is going to be one of those movies that either people love or hate.
Hmm. by teethgnasher	May 3rd, 2007 05:00:29 PM
So Spider-man 3 is about dancing and Superman Returns is about stalking.
Let's party like it's 1997 by Gozu	May 3rd, 2007 05:07:33 PM
Bad sequels to established comic book franchises? Lots of lesser-known titles being adapted to the screen with varying degrees of success? I really do wonder what comic book movie or series of comic book movies will be that end up killing the genre.
Massa' 100% right,the film's 2nd half is a huge mess by Ryan3	May 3rd, 2007 05:20:27 PM
I've seen the film and want to back both Massa's and Capone's mostly negative comments on the film, as they're both on the money about it mostly sucking, especially in it's disastrous 2nd half (as he's mentioned). It'll be interesting reading Harry and Mori's separate analysis and reviews, but I wouldn't be surprised to find them siding with Massa's and Capone's comments. I wouldn't class the film as being a huge mess and disaster like X-Men 3 was, but it comes close. James Franco and Kirsten Dunst are terrible in the film, but both actors had such lousy written material to work with, that I'd cut them some slack, as they only did this for the paycheck. Sony should get some new film directing blood on board for a 2nd Spider-Man film trilogy, but should Sam Raimi sign for a 2nd trilogy, he and his brother should stay away from being involved in the screenwriting.
BSB... by Err	May 3rd, 2007 05:25:11 PM
His agent called him a nappy headed ho too. Shia fired him. But Shia's agent is now suing for 40 million dollars.
I'm Sorry I misread your post by Phategod2	May 3rd, 2007 05:25:25 PM
You said people who dont read comics. I consider myself a passive X-men Fan I have not read any X comics in 10 years but I know the Following I do not like the Ultimate X-men. And I love the Uncanny. X2 promised on of the greatest Comic Book sagas of all time a delivered a poor clone of PT2. Which was pretty much a ClusterFuck of events
Spider-Man 3 & 4 should've been filmed back to back by TJ50	May 3rd, 2007 05:31:47 PM
It's unfortunate Sony didn't get the actors to originally sign on for 6 films, as Spider-Man 3 & 4 probably should've been filmed back to back (as Pirates 2 & 3 were) to help alleviate Spider-Man 3's ridiculously huge budget and it would've allowed more time to devote to Sandman, Venom and another villain for the 4th film. They should look at filming Spider-Man 4 & 5 back to back to cut down on costs.
I meant X-3 by Phategod2	May 3rd, 2007 05:32:13 PM
delivered a poor clone of X2
X3 just wasn't that bad. by superninja	May 3rd, 2007 06:09:38 PM
Especially compared to Superman Returns.
Breast cheese by Sinnerman	May 3rd, 2007 06:11:08 PM
I mean really is that what it it took to get your attention? I'm not saying it shouldn't be discussed but I don't think its the point. I've seen this movie. It doesn't suck.... it really doesn't. My issue is that I'm not a movie guy and they could have nailed it. full stop. We has Jaws amd Raiders twenty years ago amd they blew our minds. My kid (7) has seen everything and loves Cspn' Jack but compared to Idiana and Hans Solo Capn' Jack is small cheese. Next stop Chief Brody.
bad time to post by Sinnerman	May 3rd, 2007 06:16:13 PM
I'm in England are any of you fuckers up?
BSB, I love how the Imus situation calmed down... by Err	May 3rd, 2007 06:17:56 PM
after like a week and all the people calling for an end to hate speech in music and stuff like that have magically shut their mouths.
Sinnerman: I'm awake.. by Quintus_Arrius	May 3rd, 2007 06:23:05 PM
... you cock sucker and I'm in London .
King Kong by Sinnerman	May 3rd, 2007 06:25:44 PM
oaky so I've had a few beers but what the hell. I've been upset by this for too long... I need to vent spleen. Naked Gun meets High idelity. Nooooooooooooo. Wny for the love of God why. I know... I should just get over it but I can't. This wasn't any boating accident, this wasn't any propeller... this was a shark. I want gold. I think I'm entitled....
Quintus of London by Sinnerman	May 3rd, 2007 06:30:48 PM
aplologies, I am drunk and passionate. Needledick.
That's harsh, sorry Quintus by Sinnerman	May 3rd, 2007 06:37:40 PM
I've runout of booze but that's no excuse...
X3 is bad because there won't be an X4 by Drath	May 3rd, 2007 06:50:33 PM
And with Cyclops "dead," Prof. X "dead," Pheonix "dead" AGAIN, Mystique and Magneto and Rogue and Sentinels and Psychlocke and Callisto and Juggernaut all ruined (or dead), Angel boring, Nightcrawler lost, Wolverine streamlined into the leading man that should have been Cyclops, and studio executives still patting themselves on the back for all these "daring" choices, X3 is a terrible place to leave the franchise. The only thing I liked about X3 was Beast and the score and then not enough to forgive the rest. I think it's laughable that anyone is saying that it's too costly to make another X-Men because of salaries even as they are talking about Wolverine movies. The X-Men movies ARE Wolverine movies, the X-Men are like an after thought--something never more obvious than when everybody but Wolverine is forgotten, ruined, or killed. That there is FINALLY some backlash against the movie that killed what many of us were so jazzed about after X2 is a relief. As for Spider-Man 3, it sounds like the only major misnote is that they kill off Venom--which is huge to me since it would have been so much better to set him up for Spider-Man 4. As others are saying, it was a huge failure of vision to not set up a 2-picture production on this. That the producers let Raimi dispose of such a fan-favorite character so quickly and after so little screen time is surprising, and I assume if they dump Raimi, the first thing that'll happen is a script for Spidey 4 that features a Venom resurrection. Personally I hope they get Jake Busey to either replace Grace if he won't come back or to play Carnage. I like the idea of Topher Grace as Brock, but I have to see how it plays out--there may be no chance of him returning as Venom, which would be sad since his Evil Peter Parker vibe in the trailers ought to get milked for more than a subplot. Also, I think that doing the Death of Gwen Stacy story with Venom could be a great pay off--especially if she is Brock's girlfriend. Really a huge mistake to not set up 4. Raimi, sounds like you've let us down, man.
No no harsh at all... by Quintus_Arrius	May 3rd, 2007 06:57:39 PM
Well I've just taken this dick outta yo mommas ass. Its bleeding.
I love your Mum by Sinnerman	May 3rd, 2007 07:04:00 PM
Let us not exchange pleasantries about your kin. What do you think about ID4?
Sinnerman by Quintus_Arrius	May 3rd, 2007 07:07:43 PM
Indeed. ID4 = mindless fun. whats your take old chap!
Divided by Sinnerman	May 3rd, 2007 07:14:53 PM
Anyone that takes the time to post on this thing must be interested in ID4. But..... he's 64. Won't that just be sad and ruin our childhood memories?
Who much have you had to drink? by Quintus_Arrius	May 3rd, 2007 07:17:27 PM
Pray tell?
Enough by Sinnerman	May 3rd, 2007 07:24:13 PM
Bad night. So be it, nothing new. If in doubt geek heaven, why not? I love this stuff.
"Once upon a time, talkback section really mattered" by The Artist FKA Vesuvio	May 3rd, 2007 07:26:01 PM
Huahauhahua ahuhauhauh ahahahhauhuahaua C'mon dude... first the X3 remark.. then this... huahuhuhauhauha
Drath, there is no reason not to make another by superninja	May 3rd, 2007 07:44:29 PM
X-Men film considering all the loose ends with the core team are pretty much tied up. They could set it later in future and basically make X-Factor vs X-Men and bring in Apoc.
Sinnerman: Come back... by Quintus_Arrius	May 3rd, 2007 07:47:20 PM
it's your turn to plug you mums ass. Sinnerman?... (Sigh) And thus it's time for me to withdraw, wipe my dick and get some well deserved rest... Hail the glorious art of rimming!
And the X-Men movies are Wolverine movies. by superninja	May 3rd, 2007 07:53:06 PM
Although that's fine with me because Jackman's character actually goes through a substantial transformation because his life is changed by the X-Men. He is a new man from the first film to the end of X3. As far as Jean and Scott go, in the comics after the Dark Phoenix storyline their story was essentially done - it was nothing more than a reshash of the same story over and over again, like hitting a restart button. Storm was by far the most underused/untapped, but okay with me as long as Berry is under contract - she's terrible. Rogue was never much of a character once she got over her shyness and went from being ugly to drop-dead gorgeous she was just about deflowering a hot girl. She ends up as a normal girl in the movies which is what she always wanted to be and should've been in the comics if they would ever move on. Professor X and Magneto's conflict was resolved. Magneto became interesting when he turned good for about 5 minutes there back in the 80s and they toyed with that in these movies. The twist with Mystique betraying Magento was a great character moment. They totally botched the Mutant Underground, though. But they were cannon fodder just as they were in the comic books. All in all, I thought X3 was very faithful to the core of the story over the years.
Looks like POTC is set to be THE movie of the summer by Doc_Strange	May 3rd, 2007 08:01:42 PM
Expect it to do even better numbers than ol' Spidey here. Too bad, I kind of knew this movie would suck due to the fact that they haven't improved the visuals at all after my studio visit a few weeks ago. In truth, a lot of the Imageworks guys were just sitting around eating pizza, which to me doesn't instill confidence in a movie who's visual FX aren't up to par with ILM or even WETA. You'd think that completion of FX would involve a lot of grunts rushing around, trying to get shots done, redoing other shots and shit. Not here. On top of that the story was just too packed with characters. Has anyone seen a truly great superhero movie where they have more than one villain? I think once a movie has two or three villains the story begins to suffer. In order to have three villains, I think the movie itself should have a 3 hour running time to compensate. I'll still see this in a matinee in a few weeks time but I'm not expecting much either.
You misunderstand Superninja by Drath	May 3rd, 2007 08:13:35 PM
The studio is saying no more X-Men movies, where I was listing reasons I think it sucks to end at X3. I'm disagreeing with you completely about Scott and Jean being true to the comics, their characters are both killed off far too quickly and thoughtless in the movie compared to what most of us felt for them in the comics. If you found that faithful, you are blinded by your Wolverine love (something that will prevent us from ever agreeing here). I don't think it's worth doing what you propose when characters I was already invested in were so mishandled. But even if what I thought mattered, Yahoo movies says the studio feels it will cost too much to bring everyone back for a fourth movie so they are putting the X-Men movies aside to make Wolverine and Magneto films. And like I said (and you said), that's ridiculous logic since the X-Men movies were already about Wolverine and not the X-Men. And the Magneto movie can't be that great since we know where he ends up is so crappy and Sir Ian McKellen wouldn't be playing him.
No, I understood you, and I understand why by superninja	May 3rd, 2007 08:41:39 PM
people don't like X3. What I'm saying is that the studios excuse is lame since no one is necessarily asking them to bring those characters back at this point - I doubt people are clamoring to see Berry's Storm again, and for us Wolverine lovers he can easily have his own franchise. Patch, Madripoor, Psylocke, 'nuff said.
A few things by Drath	May 3rd, 2007 09:51:07 PM
First, I was saying the studio's stance is lame too, only for a very different reason. Second, I don't see how you can understand why people don't like X3 and still think people don't want Cyclops or Rogue or Prof X or Nightcrawler or Jean back. I have no interest in the franchise if it doesn't fix the non-Wolverine/Storm characters mistakes made in X3. Frankly an X4 that goes with totally new people and doesn't bring back those familiar characters we do want back is going to be a straight to DVD affair like American Pie 4 and 5. Hell I'd even take THAT if it brought back the characters I want and spared me more of Wolverine and Storm as if they made the movies good up to now. Third, as must be obvious if you've read this far, the one character I think most of us agree shouldn't be back is Halle Berry's Storm. We each have our reasons, but she's easily the one who should have died in X3 rather than anyone else. And finally, unless I'm misunderstanding your last sentence, you've missed that Psylocke died in X3.
Samuel Schumacher's Spider-Man & Robin by darthbinks1220	May 3rd, 2007 11:03:08 PM
Too many villains, storylines. 2:35 is a ridiculously long running time. Better than B&R, but not by much. Spidey is done. The cycle now favors the fresh Batman Begins series, and the upcoming Cameron Superman Reborn. Okay, the latter is my fantasy, but hey, whatever gets my rocks off. Pardon my French.
Call me Venom Jar jar by darthbinks1220	May 3rd, 2007 11:28:00 PM
Pecking order.............Supes....... .Yanks Bats.........Bosox Spidey.......Mets Best comic flicks all-time: 1)Supes: The Movie 2)Bats Begins (Poetic indeed) 3)Spidey 2 Worst comic flicks all-time: 1)Catwoman 2)Bats & Rob 3)Spidey 3 Spidey's time has passed. It's back to the top of the order: Supes & Bats!! The way it ought to be! :) Deal w/ it Stan "Lame 3 Cameo" Lee. Long live Siegel, Shuster & Kane......... oh, they're dead. oops-- How cruel!(Must be because of the black alien symbiote skivvies I'm sporting right now).
Doc_Strange by darthbinks1220	May 3rd, 2007 11:34:21 PM
Spidey 3 HAD a nearly three hour running time, and was brutal just the same. Leave three hour running times to the Camernator (soon to be directing the $300 million Warner Bros flick "Superman Reborn"). Trust me. I've got pull. The guy listens to me. Summer '11 at a megaplex near you!
This is already on Usenet by Rupee88	May 4th, 2007 12:08:21 AM
Save yourself the $9 and a bad time at the theater.
Raimi treated Venom like piss. by darthbinks1220	May 4th, 2007 12:25:31 AM
Subplots in order of importance: 1)Mary Jane 2) HobGob 3) Sandman 4) Gwen Stacey 5) Venom. Imagine Lucas focusing on 1)Maul 2) Sidious 3)Vader. Schumacher did the same fucking thing w/ Bane. That's it, I want a Bane/Venom crossover movie, damnit! lol:)
Forgive Lucas by darthbinks1220	May 4th, 2007 12:26:20 AM
At least his Episode III worked. Go City of Gods!
Non-poisonous snakes have more venom than Spidey 3 by darthbinks1220	May 4th, 2007 12:40:33 AM
Okay, the horse carcas has been pummelled, but I'm just pissed. Bring on Iron Man, Dark Knight, Cameron's (and only Cameron's) Superman Reborn. Jim owes me one.
Drath, it's called a prequel, baby! by superninja	May 4th, 2007 12:42:07 AM
Psylocke shmylock, if they brought her into a Wolvie movie, no one would be the wiser, anyway. Wolvie is going to be a prequel. Trying to "fix" anything at this point is ludicrous. There are, like, 1,000,000 X-Men, they can tell another story with other characters. I love Cyke, they wasted Marsden, a fine actor good at playing heroic parts (see Superman Returns for the only heroic performance in the film). But what is there left to do with the character after the arc in trilogy?
They could make an X-Men movie with the younger by superninja	May 4th, 2007 12:45:41 AM
characters - IceMan, Colossus, Kitty Pryde, etc. Professor X is not dead, he's on the astral plane or somesuch. The only real concern would be getting Stewart and Jackman back. The majority of people are not that crazy about the other characters to the point they would avoid the film - they would accept interchangeable characters with the same overall mutant concept.
I've been inoculated w/ more venom than in Spidey 3. by darthbinks1220	May 4th, 2007 12:48:19 AM
Now I'm startin' to warm up.
My mother spews more venom on me by darthbinks1220	May 4th, 2007 01:00:16 AM
than what I saw in Spidey 3. .........Poetry at it's finest. lol :)
Expect Gigli dropoff. by darthbinks1220	May 4th, 2007 01:10:19 AM
Spidey will set all-time fri-mon record w/ around 150 million domestic. Weekend two then will see audiences avoiding the near three-hour crapfest like the plague.
sorry, but by ewokstew	May 4th, 2007 02:06:09 AM
Massawyrm convinced me when he said it is nowhere near the train wreck X3 was as I actually very much enjoyed X3, faithfullness to characters aside, it was a fun ride and happy to say my 2nd favorite of the three films. And concerning the whole sex with the girl next door thing, use frame of references that you've actually experienced in real life and not in your head.
Hobgoblin is in this movie? by Napoleon Park	May 4th, 2007 02:14:57 AM
The hemoglobin is in this movie? I heard they were going to have Sandman, Vemon and a possible Dr. Connors cameo, plus maybe a Green Goblin flashback and his son Harry Osborn as "The New Goblin" (though after I saw him in that seven minute trailer I called him The Black Goblin), Now Hobgoblin is in this too? Why don't they just make a fucking Official Handbook Of The Marvel Universe movie? Christ, if these people ever got their hands on the Bond franchise they'd have him fighting Dr. No, Goldfinger, Blofeld, Emilio Largo and Scaramanga all in the same fucking movie. *** And they can't have Black Cat in a Spider-Man movie. Spider-Man is a Marvel character and the real Black Cat is a Harvey comics character. Sure Marvel had a character by that name, but she doesn't count, she'd not a real character, she was just something they put in the comics so they could claim the copyright on the name. Like they made up a CAptain Marvel so MF Enterprises couldn;t do their "Captain Marvel" comic with the split! android. I keep trying to tell you children, this is Spider-Man - it should have been done as a '60s period piece from the start and only the Ditko characters count. No V-Man, no Hemogobbling, no Madame Web Lady from the Twinkies ads, those are just made up comic characters like The Wall from Electric Company, not real Lee/Ditko Spider-Man villiangs. Kraven, Electro, Vulture, just a guy named Joe, Dr. Octopus, Green Goblin (though not that mighty morphin powersuit green goblin from the first movie), The Hulk, Chameleon, the Spider Slayer robots - maybe even Romita's Kingpin and Punisher: those count as real Spider-man foes. Shocker and Tarantula and Hammerhead and Carnage and any punk villain on a skateboard doesn't count. Not real characters, just crap from Spidey Super Stories. Respect the source material and learn the difference. Oh, and can we institute a class action suit for false asvertising over them advertising this as "best of the trilogy"? Best maybe, but they've already signed to do 4,5 and 6 - how is that a fucking trilogy? Yes, Douglas Adams' "So Long and Thanks For All The Fish" was called part 4 of the Hitchhikers Guide Trilogy, but that was intended as a joke! Calling the latest movie in the Spider-Man franchise the end of a trilogy is just a flat out lie unless they promise to never make another movie in the series, and I doubt they're going to stop now. I rant because I love. And because I detest false advertising.
Just saw it at an Imax by 13th Librarian	May 4th, 2007 02:18:28 AM
Wow.. no gratuitous nipple shot and they didnt' soak Kirstin once.. But other than that.. Loved it.. think Massawyrm is a creep.. the dancing and parker night fever scenes show the transformation, shift pace and set up for a great scene that I won't spoil.. but Gwen really showed who she was with her reaction.. hate all you want.. its all you seem to do around here.. but I think it was better than spidey 2 by a long shot and a fine end cap to the Raimi tenure.. odd he didn't use his patented quick camera jump once.. but still a great film..
"hate all you want?" by Rupee88	May 4th, 2007 03:36:35 AM
Read the talkbacks for Terminator 2 (or 3 for that matter) or for Pan's Labyrinth. Where are all your "haters"? You may find that they show up mainly when shit movies are discussed.
Phategod1 Has Seen Spiderman 3 by Phategod1	May 4th, 2007 04:30:37 AM
Sorry I had to do that. But I went the nerd route and saw the 12:05 show. I must say I loved it. It wasn't perfect And you can tell Raimi Doesn't have a appreciation for the Duality of venom. He could not see past his motivated hate for Peter. So if your a real venom fan expect to be disappointed. But I think Raimi finally gets Spidey right. For once even before he gets the black suit. Spidey has confidence and he's cocky "you must not know whose the sheriff round here". Now for the "Saturday Night Fever part" very easy to explain. Have you ever wondered what Bill Gates was like the day he made his 1st Million from Microsoft? I'll tell you he bebopping In the middle of street like nerd he was. That what peter was he was Nerd who finally thought he was cool or a rebel. the expressions of "WTF is this white boys problem" on all of the women's faces is almost worth the price of admission. The Mask Scene was a little over done, and damnit why did I have to hear MJ sing again. Bryce Dallas Howard would have made a Perfect MJ she has curves and looks a hell of a lot closer to a model then Dunst plus she's a lot more vibrant and personable then Dunst. If dunst showed up at my door and said "face it tiger you just hit the Jackpot" I probably would have followed it up with "What..., do you swallow?" I loved the effects of SP3, and the thought I kept thinking is "Raimi doesn't give a F$ck about this being or looking ludicrous." What he did is take a risk. maybe now we see things like a 100 ft. tall Galactus, a Alien invasion headed by Darkseid. Kudos man keep trying to push the envelope. But There was way too much Crying, way to Pining ove lost love and "the Twist" scene annoyed me but I saw the neccessity of it those annoying moments made you enjoy the moments when Harry and Peter cut loose. and sorry to Disagree with SN but Franco was born to do the "Coffee House" scene as harry Osborn it was his best scene of his short career. The Butler was pointless I wish they had hired someone who could act or maybe had stan do that part with a better script. Speaking Of Stan his Cameo was also very good, and if this is Spidermans swan song it was fitting. I think Brock was nice but the Venom thing was too brief, and They do nothing to explain the black ooze. Something they did in early 90's cartoon briefly but completely. I wished Peter would have been a little darker maybe use a swear word or two but what he is, is a evil nerd which explains the bebopping. Raimi PO'ed me with the following Killing Brock, Killing harry just when i was starting to like him. Not killing MJ, and the Sandman, and Peter returning to his emo roots in the end. Sorry If took too much time and didn't paragraph enough I give movie a B+ a little Pretentious but clearly head and shoulders above any other Comic book movie.
X-prequels? Yuck! by Drath	May 4th, 2007 05:19:20 AM
Magneto will be a prequel, but I haven't heard of Wolverine being a prequel. More likely it would feature huge parts about his past, but still I doubt they'd resurrect Psylocke. Fixing what went wrong in X3 is not ludicrous--certainly not more so than your position on ignoring what happened to Psylocke. In fact there's an easy solution--Mr. Sinister works to create a counter-agent to the cure by breeding a mutant that shares the DNA of Scott Summers and Jean Grey. Thus we find out what really happened to Scott (he's not dead, no body, no desintigration seen), and Jean is somehow resurrected by Sinister's science. Along the way he can create a cloned body for Xavier to slip into (needs to happen, I'm aware he's in the astral plane in the teaser at the end of the movie, it's still a bad situation that needs to be fixed). The cure that ruined people like Magneto is reversed. Nightcrawler was sleeping (I hear the game explains his absence, but that's for gamers, I want an answer for movie-goers). Juggernaut being a mutant wouldn't be fixable I guess, although him being Xavier's brother ought to be introduced. As for what else can be done with Scott, try EVERYTHING. Showing him as a leader. He fell apart and died in the movies, he never got to lead except as the receiving end of snark from Wolverine. Then there's his being orphaned, his brother Alex/Havoc, and even his father could probably be retconned into the movies' sci-fi-lite universe as something other than a space pirate. You could just as easily ask what's left to be done with Iceman or Colossus or Beast and be just as silly to do so! Making a movie with younger characters is fine only if they fix Prof X and Cyclops first and let them lead them without Wolverine. I'd be all for seeing Xavier, Cyc, Beast, Angel, Iceman, Kitty, Colossus, Nightcrawler, and Rogue as the X-Men for a few movies. Drop the first two and no deal, the other characters need the leadership, and that's important since you'd be asking the audience to accept characters that up to now have been supporting Wolverine (and Storm). I say go with the characters that have the tradition of being the leaders already.
There was not enough venom in S3 to stop my heart by darthbinks1220	May 4th, 2007 05:26:31 AM
from beating, and I have a bad heart condition.
This movie could be fixed with editing. by losder	May 4th, 2007 06:36:46 AM
Should show the beginning of the crazy ass fight once, flashback, then tell the individual stories one by one, then flash forward and have a shared conclusion. String the shit together with narration and the movie would be pretty good. Most of the individual scenes work by themselves, and the interstitial stuff would be carried in context. Also, cut out Harry's oddly affectionate butler. Who the fuck was that guy. I guess they figure he'll die soon, on account of being all old and shit, so they decided to immortalize his warbling ass in asia? Best part of the movie was the emo haircut smooth down in the mirror, and then the extended dancing, because it was probably the longest scene in the movie without cutting away to some other disconnected plot thread. Also it was funny as hell on several levels.
Phategod1 - cool dude by just pillow talk	May 4th, 2007 06:48:35 AM
So you and Yack liked it, I'm waiting to see how Abom liked it. I still cannot wait to see it, mixed/negative reviews and all.
Yet to see this by Kloipy	May 4th, 2007 07:17:28 AM
and I'm not sure if I will until DVD
raindrops was funny by roccotheripper	May 4th, 2007 10:50:06 AM
and i'm sure the dancing will be as well
I enjoyed it. by JusticeSabre	May 4th, 2007 01:12:32 PM
It wasn't the route I'd have gone, were I the director... but I enjoyed it nonetheless.
Finally, I can come out of the X3 closet!!! by A Day of Days	May 4th, 2007 01:23:55 PM
I fucking loved X3 the first time. The second time, I found some plot points and character development(or lack thereof) I disagreed with. But then I got to thinking about the first 2, which I loved. They ALL have that shit going on in one way or another. Back on topic, I will se SM3 even after all these bitches and moans. Of course there are things that don't sit well...in EVERY movie EVER. Name a perfect comic movie....Batman Begins? Fuck Nope. Where was the detective aspect? That's one point every Batman flick has gotten wrong. And the "Raindrops" number from SM2...? Great moment. Fuck the naysayers.
I thought... by CorpseRide	May 4th, 2007 04:13:41 PM
...the Saturday Night Fever sequence was the best thing in the film. The worst aspect is the way it's structured, so that about 2/3 of the way through he seems to have wrapped everything up, except MJ hates him now. Oh, and Harry seems to have died, but then Peter goes to see him again at his house, and he's alive - they just didn't tell us. And the crying and random forgiveness of villains at the very end. And the way that Peter resolves all his relationship difficulties with MJ by going to see her, and giving her a smile - that's all it took! A big grin. he'd smiled at her before, but the magic smile at the end somehow made her want to get back with him. or maybe it was his suit, and 'responsible' haircut. Either way, hug, and ROLL CREDITS! But the Saturday Night Fever sequence rocked, and if it wasn't to your taste, tough titty, you lost out. The making-an-omlette set to Chubby Checker was great too. And Bruce Campbell's outrrrageous French waiter. These things were all FUN, look it up!
Sinnerman... by Quintus_Arrius	May 16th, 2007 08:09:42 AM
... I am last!

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