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FOX - Vern has some words for you about the pansy-assing of the 4th DIE FLACCID movie.

amen by AllieJamison	May 2nd, 2007 04:15:52 PM
!
first by Bombadils_Bane10	May 2nd, 2007 04:15:59 PM
first????
Just got off the phone with Kurt Russel, he was upset. by Ashok0	May 2nd, 2007 04:17:45 PM
Kurt doesn't like the rating either.
are you serious? by Datascream	May 2nd, 2007 04:18:38 PM
"sigh" I'll still watch it tho. but this is going to feel half assed. actually...maybe I won't see it. I'm on the fence about this really. An R rated film was what I was expecting. I didn't even really think they would even DO that to Die Hard...dear god.
20th Century Fox can go fuck itself by kwisatzhaderach	May 2nd, 2007 04:23:11 PM
These guys havent made a decent movie in years. Murdoch only wants to churn out kiddie-friendly bullshit. We should picket Fox!!!!!
Vern! your rant will Live Free but... by connor187	May 2nd, 2007 04:24:21 PM
Very much Die Hard....i.e Fall on death ears.
Or even DEAF ears. by connor187	May 2nd, 2007 04:25:16 PM
Its fucking late here!
Holy shit, Vern is 100% correct. by Darth_Gonz	May 2nd, 2007 04:25:19 PM
I especially liked the "Don't be Ellis" comment. Excellent rant, Vern. Making a Die Hard movie PG-13 would be like releasing a Grand Theft Auto game with "sweat" instead of red blood (ala Mortal Kombay for the SNES back in the day).
agreed by Bondfox	May 2nd, 2007 04:25:25 PM
Hallelujah Vern. We meed to make sure that no one ruins the image of the greatest American action movie franchise. It would be unpatriotic to ruin a movie that takes place on not one, but two American holidays. And what about the Yippe yay ki ya Mother...., would it be Motherfudger?
Action Toys of... by TheAllSeeingEye	May 2nd, 2007 04:26:08 PM
John McClaine will be in a toys r us near you soon. Prepare for McDonalds to start with the happy meal toys in the next week or so.
Vern got the OK from Bruce to let loose by BadMrWonka	May 2nd, 2007 04:27:22 PM
amen, brother...I can see movies that deserve and warrant a PG-13 audience going for it. and there are clearly a lot of movies that are on the borderline, where the director and hardcore fans would want an R for the street cred, and the studios would want a PG-13 for the extra audience, but this is kind of silly. you're making a 4th movie, essentially a reboot, of a series that were ALL hard-R's. and correct me if I'm wrong, but I think there were a total of like 12 seconds of bouncing breasts in all 3 movies together. this was R-rated because dudes got hung from chains, shot through the head, and people being attacked by, and fighting against terrorists, were allowed to actually say what we would all say in that circumstance. FUUUUUUUUCKKKK!!!!! pull your heads out. "Yippee Kay-yay you jerk!" just doesn't have the same ring to it...
An R Rated Movie Can't Make Enough Money in Summer by Bungion Boy	May 2nd, 2007 04:28:52 PM
Just look at Miami Vice. And countless other examples. So I ask you, the studio, why release an R rated movie at a time of year when it can't compete. There are already too many blockbusters in the summer. I remember a time when there were about 3 big summer movies and the rest were just regular movies that could come out at any time of the year. The months of January, February, and about half of August and September have always been bad months for movies. That's because the studio has decided those are bad months and choose to unload their crap off the shelf then. Why not spread some of these big movies out more so there aren't 4 movies that absolutely have to break at least 100 million opening on the same day. They can't all do it. A PG-13 Die Hard will do great business in the summer. But an R rated Die Hard might have been huge in September. This pisses me off.
I stopped reading when it said it's not "R" by Fecal Debris	May 2nd, 2007 04:30:26 PM
A "Die Hard" movie that isn't rated R? Meaning, a "Die Hard" movie that lacks the content to cause the MPAA to slap an "R" rating on it? The word "fuck" is not said more than once? I'm very uneasy about this. Think Fast. Look Alive. Puss Out. Look, you're doing nobody any favors by watering this down. When my kids are old enough to watch "Die Hard" movies, I want them to be good movies, worthy of the "Die Hard" mantle--not Disney versions of the first installment. Don't fuck this up.
let go by gredenko	May 2nd, 2007 04:31:41 PM
so they might dull the edge on an un-asked-for fourth installment to a franchise that peaked and should have ended with the first one--and this inspires a couple thousand word rant?
Well said Vern. by phaedrus007	May 2nd, 2007 04:31:43 PM
Live Free or Die Homogenized!
I can't believe it is PG13! by Larry_Talbot	May 2nd, 2007 04:31:53 PM
Oh well, I think I'll pass. I love the Die Hard movies, I bought them on VHS, laserdisc (!) and dvd, but I don't want to see a wimpy, weak version. This could be to Die Hard what Alien Vs Predator (ugh) was to Alien and Predator.
Spot on by Asshandler	May 2nd, 2007 04:31:59 PM
That rant was spot on. Perhaps a bit long, and lost a little momentum near the end, but the point was made effectively. Die Hard needs to be rated R, just as any half decent porn flick needs to be rated X.
Re: 20th Century Fox can go fuck itself by Canada's King	May 2nd, 2007 04:33:18 PM
I concur
Asshandler by BadMrWonka	May 2nd, 2007 04:33:52 PM
you want Vern should PG-13 his review and downsize it! it's a full-on Die Hard rant! it goes until it's done, and only THEN do you get to wipe the sweat off, have a cigarette, and ice down your crotch.
Bruce by Mr Soze	May 2nd, 2007 04:34:16 PM
Doesn't Bruce have any pull with this? He's the franchise. The whole son thing is so overdone. Horse-shit like this makes baby-Jesus cry. Mr. Willis is cool, but this is gonna tank.
AN R RATED MOVIE CANT MAKE ENOUGH MONEY IN SUMMER!?!?! by TotallyGayForChristianBale	May 2nd, 2007 04:35:18 PM
MOTHERFUCKER, YOU ARE RETARDED. EXHIBIT A: 300 EXHIBIT B: MATRIX 1
Wow! I wish Vern by Phategod2	May 2nd, 2007 04:35:20 PM
was a transformer fan.
DEAR FOX: MARK MY WORDS, I WILL NOT SEE A PG13 DIE-?? by TheDohDoh	May 2nd, 2007 04:36:55 PM
VERN I AM TOTALLY WITH YOU. This is a fucking nightmare if this happens. This is probably the last Die Hard ever, so it's gotta be R. This is a fucking '80s action franchise and this was the first R movie I ever saw - I was fucking 6-years-old. People like me with cool parents fucking made this franchise. I saw all of the others in a theatre, saw Die Harder 2x. This movie is tracking huge...b/c THEY'RE AREN'T ANY OTHER R-RATED ACTION FLICKS THIS SUMMER. Capice? This is an open market to make bank. People like the trailer b/c they're expecting blood, guts, all that shit. THE CATCHLINE OF DIE HARD HAS 'MOTHERFUCKER' IN IT, FOR CHRIST'S SAKE (CHRIST LOVES DIE HARD BTW, EVEN DHWAV, B/C HE LOVES ALL THINGS NOT SHITTY). Fox, Do not fuck with us. We will burn this fucker to the ground if it's PG-13. That is all. Vern speaks the truth. He's a Die Hard expert and you don't want to fuck with us.
BadMrWonka by Asshandler	May 2nd, 2007 04:37:33 PM
I see your point, to edit Vern's ramblings would be as equally as offensive as editing a Die Hard. Is anyone else getting horrible flashbacks to Rocky Balboa's lackluster fight scene... where's the Ivan Drago's of the world when you need them.
Phategod by BadMrWonka	May 2nd, 2007 04:37:41 PM
there would be an irony about someone going on a huge rant because they hate a vagina being added to their giant robot toy memories...
The thing with PG13 is that... by connor187	May 2nd, 2007 04:38:08 PM
The first three films were aimed at adults. So with this being the fourth installment, why are they trying to push it out to a younger audience? I mean these movies were out and doing well, before their new target audience was even born. Stick to what makes these movies great and stop fucking around with stuff you clearly do not understand.
Who said an R-rated movie can't do big summer business? by Stifler's Mom	May 2nd, 2007 04:38:19 PM
2003- MATRIX RELOADED, $230 mil 2004- TROY- $135 mil 2005-WEDDING CRASHERS, $200 mil
Yippee Kai Yey Monster Funster by ilander66	May 2nd, 2007 04:39:00 PM
how many people will see the rating PG13 on the poster and just walk away? if the suits do it they deserve to fail. Die Hard is the greatest action movie ever made why? Yipee Kai Yey Motherfucker, that guy getting his kneecaps blown to shit, Mclane pulling glass from his feet, Takagi losing his brains and lots of other non PG13 stuff. if there is no viceral peril then why would we care about John Mclane? nothing bad or nasty would happen in PG13 world so why bother watching it, I am no gore hound I just would like a Die Hard with a little backbone.
THANK YOU by godzillasushi	May 2nd, 2007 04:39:00 PM
I actually just wrote this somewhere else. What kid is going to give a crap about Die Hard? Trying to cover all the bases doesn't work with this at all. It's DIE HARD. THIS IS MEANT TO BE R!!! ARRRGGHGHGHHHH
Didnt FOX learn a thing with Alien Vs Predator? by misnomer	May 2nd, 2007 04:39:22 PM
PG-13 is death to this movie. simple. Die Hard can NEVER work as PG-13. If you want to make a PG-13 action movie, do something else.
Not rated R eh? by Stuntcock Mike	May 2nd, 2007 04:39:27 PM
Fuck it. I'll wait for the unrated dvd. Yet another flick I don't need to see in the theater.
YOURE TOO LATE by fractureJonze	May 2nd, 2007 04:41:48 PM
Get over it man! They can't save it!
amen by Fabulous Freak	May 2nd, 2007 04:42:19 PM
can I get a hallelujah?
Kick ass, Vern. by Nordling	May 2nd, 2007 04:42:31 PM
"Don't be Ellis." Well said.
People pay MORE ATTENTION by rev_skarekroe	May 2nd, 2007 04:42:39 PM
when you post stuff in ALL CAPS!!! And use lots of EXCLAMATION POINTS!!!
I agree but... by Ky-El	May 2nd, 2007 04:43:31 PM
I agree but will someone get Vern an editor? Who has the time to read his freakin' novel response? If FOX actually started to read this, after scrolling down on the computer for the 4th time they'd say "fuck this..." and go do some blow.
WAS LFORDH MADE TO BE PG13 FROM THE GET-GO? by TheDohDoh	May 2nd, 2007 04:44:16 PM
I mean, there's one thing I've always concluded from movies that can be R or PG13 - those movies are soft-R films anyway and they blow. Was this the original plan?? FUCK YOU FOX. THERE BETTER BE LOTS BLOODY ACTION OF MCCLANE KILLING TERRORISTS JUST LIKE THE REST OF THE SERIES.
Indy Jones and the Temple of Bald Bruce by TomBodet	May 2nd, 2007 04:47:19 PM
Die Hard with Even Moore. Anyways. Vernald makes some pretty good points here, but what are ya gonna do-? at least they never had Dirty Harry in his depends and walker using a sawed off 12 guage on some I-Pod wearing Zombies. With garlic.
Hans.....Bubbie.....Im your PG-13 rating... by HitchCock'n'Balz	May 2nd, 2007 04:51:24 PM
ReCockulous....absofuckinglute ly...reCockulous
If anyone at Fox was reading this... by fractureJonze	May 2nd, 2007 04:51:50 PM
...they hit the back button at the part where he was like "take a look at Grindhouse. Come to think of it, Bruce Willis was in that too..."
Biggest cock tease ever by Heckles	May 2nd, 2007 04:52:04 PM
I cannot believe it. There is no way I am paying for a PG-13 Die Hard. Just going to buy the unrated DVD and pimp it out on my flatscreen. Fuck you Fox!
What FOX doesn't realize is... by Asshandler	May 2nd, 2007 04:52:08 PM
... Die Hard 4 is North America's chance to take out all their terrorist-hating frustration in a single shot. I'm pretty sure no one has PG-13 frustrations... we want blood. 9/11... payback's a bitch.
So THIS is why everyone loves Vern. by brokentusk	May 2nd, 2007 04:52:52 PM
Not only was this hilarious to read, but it was also damn straight. Wasn't 300 R-rated? I don't know, lately I feel like Fox is actually TRYING to piss off the fans of all their franchises. The monkeys from the beginning of 28 DAYS LATER could run the studio better than Rothman.
Pretty sure it'll be an `R` by Tripman5000	May 2nd, 2007 04:55:41 PM
Mark my words....
Wear this with pride to piss off fox by modlight	May 2nd, 2007 04:56:36 PM
http://tinyurl.com/f6zrd And if they don't make it an R, then it just isn't Die Hard.
Hell even Bruce can't keep himself from being R by modlight	May 2nd, 2007 04:57:10 PM
http://tinyurl.com/2cqukz this thing kills me
"300" - Rated R - 207 million NA Box Office by PhantomZone111	May 2nd, 2007 04:57:23 PM
Apparently Fox has forgotten a little film called "300," which was rated R and grossed 207 million in North America alone. Of course, they're probably rating it PG-13, so they can market the double dip DVD as the "R-RATED DIRECTORS CUT" or some such bullshit.
PG-13? Someone needs to DIE HARD 4 REAL by SoylentMean	May 2nd, 2007 04:58:00 PM
This is part and parcel why movie going is down. People who actually like going to theaters don't want to see some half assed, made for kids shite. They want blood, boobs, and booms-and lots of it. If they even come close to giving this movie a PG-13 I will fuckin' boycott it forever. As is I already have the first (and perhaps only) Die Hard films on DVD and don't really need to upgrade. So what it really boils down to is whether or not Die Hard 3 was the last "official" film in the series. Besides, weren't the only other films made by the director rated R? So why break a successful track record and the hearts of millions of John McClane fans for the sake of an iffy opening weekend box office? Greed is a bitch in heat and it will fuck everything that moves, case in point-the topic of this talkback.
It's all moot by the beef	May 2nd, 2007 05:00:26 PM
The fact is they're going to release it as PG-13 and it's going to make a bundle on opening weekend assuming the critics aren't phenomenally harsh. Aside from film fans nobody cares what it's rated, they see the title and they see Bruce Willis and that's all they want. FOX, just like most other companies, could give a fuck about our dislike. Don't rant to FOX, rant to the people planning on seeing this. FOX already knows the movie will be shit, so they might as well make it accessible shit that younger teens can see without their parents.
Stifler's Mom by Bungion Boy	May 2nd, 2007 05:00:53 PM
I meant to say that Studios Don't Think R Rated Movies Can Make Money in the Summer. In the past, many have, though a lot of them don't break 200 million, which is what most summer movies are hoped to do. That's why more and more summer movies have been dialed down to PG-13. Sometimes this works to R Rated Movies' advantage. Wedding Crashers and 40 Year Old Virgin ended up being such a huge hit I think because people were tired of PG-13 and were so refreshed to see something R. Matrix Revolutions was part of a successful franchise. There will be a few successful R-Rated movies this summer, but I predict very few break out smashes that make over 200 million when opened around the same time as crowd-pleasing, wide audience grabbing like Rush Hour 3.
if they make it PG-13 by the_shogun_gunslinger	May 2nd, 2007 05:03:41 PM
i wont even see it. no way, no how. in fact, i wont see another FOX PG-13 movie ever again. hell, maybe ill never see a FOX movie again at ALL. we have to stop this folks.
I'm glad it's PG-13, so they won't make any more by Moa Kaka	May 2nd, 2007 05:08:06 PM
If this movie were successful, they'd make part 5, 6, . . . 17, . . . 25, whatever. Willis is getting to be like Harrison Ford - we don't need to see a senior citizen trying to do action scenes. The old movies were great, let it go already . . .
DIE HARD AND THE PG 13 CHEST BUMPS by Pound Sand	May 2nd, 2007 05:09:37 PM

God fucking damn it, that was the one deal breaker. by Ravetin	May 2nd, 2007 05:10:37 PM
This movie had slowly been winning me over, but wussing it down is the one possible thing that could have destroyed all hope I had. If they can de-ball it down to a PG-13, that probably means it was close to one already. So I doubt this was along the lines of the originals which have something like 60+ "fucks" each. This is absolute shit news.
So it could be renamed- by Tal111	May 2nd, 2007 05:10:40 PM
Die Hard With A Vagina!
John McTiernan wouldn't put up with this shit. by OnomatoPoet	May 2nd, 2007 05:13:00 PM
Although he seems willing to commit perjury. So Live Free or Die Hard is, y'know, for kids, plus in the UK we get the fucking geeky title Die Hard 4.0 because we're apparently too stupid to understand the joke. Meanwhile a wave of other child-friendly sequels and franchise movies delays the release of Grindhouse, which has been bifurcated anyway. I therefore nominate 2007 as the year Hollywood managed the not unremarkable feat of self-castration.
PG-13!!? by George Peppard	May 2nd, 2007 05:14:07 PM
This is a joke!
has fox not heard of counter programming? by waggy	May 2nd, 2007 05:18:30 PM
what's the point of cramming another pg-13 sequel in this summer? there is no hope of beating spider-man and pirates at their own game, especially not with a franchise that has been out of theaters for over 10 years. now, an adult action movie on the other hand might be a niche that needs filling....
Talkbackers unite! by Some Dude	May 2nd, 2007 05:18:54 PM
Do not see this movie if it is PG 13. Tell all your non-TBer friends. Tell any little kids you know that this movie is really a kids movie (and thus not cool) and that they should just get the originals. This movie can be beaten.
keeping my wallet in my pants if it's PG13 by Russman	May 2nd, 2007 05:20:06 PM
I'm not surprised. The suits at Fox are spineless posers. Nice leter Vern - sounds like someone read The Fountainhead.
Vern, that was fucking genius... by colematthews	May 2nd, 2007 05:20:26 PM
don't listen to the haters telling you to edit. That rant was not something to speed through, but something to be savored, reveled in. Hell, I read it twice. So thank you.
Vern is 100% right by Lance Rock	May 2nd, 2007 05:21:39 PM
Especially when he points out that 16-year-olds are NOT the target market for this movie. I was 17 when the original came out, and I thought it was the perfect action movie. Subsequent Die Hards still got my money, but like the man said, after 12 years, for another entry to pry any more cash away from my hands, it's got to be worth it. A PG-13 Die Hard is totally flacid and definitely not worth this adult's time. Listen to Vern, Fox.
A die hard DIE HARD die hard! by Neil McCauleys Crew	May 2nd, 2007 05:21:41 PM
that's right, stick it to 'em Vern!
JOHN RAMBO will be R!!! by ABking	May 2nd, 2007 05:22:06 PM
THANK GOD! http://www.darkhorizons.com/ne ws07/070502n.php
Is John McCain an action hero? by oisin5199	May 2nd, 2007 05:24:17 PM
Give victory a chance, muthafucka!Seriously though, how hard can this film be when the villain's a computer hacker?
“Outlaw” Vern’s arguments are doltishly obvious. by splungiest	May 2nd, 2007 05:24:53 PM
And Vern is preaching to the choir. (There is not one individual reading this site who would prefer a PG-13 rating for DIE HARD 4. Tig-ger, PLEASE.) The PG-13 is going to stick because it’s purely a bookkeeping decision. If DIE HARD 4 is rated R, 11-year-old kids will simply buy tickets to SHREK 3 and march into the DIE HARD 4 auditorium. DreamWorks collects all the “Die Hard 4” dollars and contributes them to the Obama campaign. If DIE HARD 4 is rated PG-13, children of any age can effortlessly put the money in the hands of the Fox accountants. And then News Corp. can pass the presidential campaign funds along to whatever bullishit Christian oilman Halliburton deems to nominate next year. This is the plan, and Fox will not deviate from this plan. Fox doesn’t give a shit what you’d enjoy, Vern. Most of the DIE HARD 4 tickets, like most the other cinema tickets generally , will be purchased by teens and college-age kids, not cranky 58-year-old paroled felons. Anyway, DIE HARD 4 was directed by Kate Beckinsale’s handsome boyfriend, who made those shitty shitty supershitty UNDERWORLD movies. It was never ever ever going to be any good. Kindly shift your focus back to filmmakers that are worth the effort, like Soderburgh and Raimi and Nolan and the Coens.
GREAT IDEA, FOX! You're all geniuses and here's why: by Stifler's Mom	May 2nd, 2007 05:25:54 PM
Going after the PG-13 rating is a sure-fire way to bring a new, younger audience to an R-rated franchise! It's bound to work for DIE HARD, just like it did with ALIEN: RESURRECTION, BEVERLY HILLS COP III, ANOTHER STAKEOUT, and ROBOCOP 3!
FUCKING BULL FUCKING SHIT by kinghenryVIII	May 2nd, 2007 05:26:36 PM
Looks like it will now be a rental. I am not giving my $11 to some watered down "frickin" this and "frickin" that, and "mother frickin / screwer" shit. I want a fucking Die Hard movie! Fuck it Dude. Let's go bowling. I will not see this in the movies .... maybe www.allusee.net will have it a week after it comes out.
I won't see a kiddie Die Hard film - Ever. by barnaby jones	May 2nd, 2007 05:27:07 PM
And nor should anyone. Good work Vern.
Hell yeah Vern. DIE SOFT indeed. by jrbarker	May 2nd, 2007 05:28:47 PM
well said.
Fox is forgetting one key thing... by colematthews	May 2nd, 2007 05:29:01 PM
that Bruce Willis is one of the all-time great screen-swearers around. He can string together some expletives like nobody this side of Sam Jackson. His rant in Pulp Fiction as he's on his way to get his watch back is some priceless swearing. The great thing about his scene with Karl in the first Die Hard was how he kept talking shit to him the whole time, talking about how he was gonna "break your fuckin' neck". Or his impassioned plea to the most annoying 911 operator in movie history "Jesus H. Christ, lady, do I sound like I"m ordering a fuckin' pizza?!?" On top of that, the Die Hard series as a whole has a long and glorious track record of solid cussers as supporting players. The king of which is Dennis Franz in #2 as the tight-ass airport cop who eventually comes around, but not before tearing Mclane a new asshole at least 3 or 4 times. Somehow I don't see that crucial archetype being filled by the kid from that movie where people got hit in the nuts with wrenches.
I called this... by TheMovieLover	May 2nd, 2007 05:32:29 PM
I called this back when the very first teaser trailer hit. I said, please god don't do some stupid bullshit like have John McClaine say "yippee kai yay mother-" and then get cut off by a explosion or something. this is total bullshit. I dunno if I even want to see it anymore...
Jesus fucking Christ by Norm Cascade	May 2nd, 2007 05:32:58 PM
I can't believe these Fox fuckers are going to cheat us out of seeing an R rated Die Hard movie on the big screen. OH BUT DONT WORRY - YOULL GET UR UNRATED AND UNCALLED FOR DVD RELEESE LOL! Fucking bullshit. These cocksuckers ruined XMen, and somehow found a way to destroy Alien and Predator in one fell swoop (which they're going to sweep again to make sure nothing is left intact). Fuck you, Fox. I have lost every ounce of respect for you degenerate fucktards. Do something about this Bruce!
I don't understand the American rating system. by Jakes Nel	May 2nd, 2007 05:33:08 PM
What's higher? NC17 or a R rating? Sorry, I'm stupid...
FOX already made Predators and Aliens gay ! by Johannes	May 2nd, 2007 05:36:39 PM
And now McClane? What the fuck is wrong with you?
I hope this incorrect... by PeteBogs	May 2nd, 2007 05:41:34 PM
does anyone remember when an action, horror or teen comedy movie was a GUARANTEED R-rating? there is just no modern-day equivalent of the Porky's shower scene on the big screen... video maybe (this "unrated" stuff is purely marketing hype), but not in a multiplex...
Here's hoping a planet-eating cloud destroys Fox by Boondock Devil	May 2nd, 2007 05:43:38 PM
Also could Fox be going PG-13 for this movie because maybe they're scared of what they've seen so far? What if it's really not a good movie and they figure the only way to make a few extra bucks is to be able to have a younger demo come out and pay money to see some truly horrible shite?
ewwww by lionbiu	May 2nd, 2007 05:43:55 PM
PG-13???! Well I wont be seeing it........what a crock of horseshit. I can remember first watching Die Hard and being blown away by the gritty violence and strong language. Why bother making it at all? Dear God..is there nothing Fox won't fuck up.
Bumblebee pisses oil on John Turturro. Die Hard is PG13 by Kurzinski Valentine	May 2nd, 2007 05:44:09 PM
Galactus is a cloud.
VERN baby I cried - well said by Evil Hobbit	May 2nd, 2007 05:47:42 PM
PG13 DIE HARD, I can't believe it. So we won't see much blood on McClane's shirt ey. No R-violence No money from me for studio. Fucking Fox, franchise killing whores.
If this fucker ain't an 18 cert when out in the UK.... by Gabba-UK	May 2nd, 2007 05:48:15 PM
Then you ain't getting my fucking money!!!!!!! What kind of pussy whipped, cock sucking anally retentive fuck-wit thought this one up??!!!!!! Die HARD!!!!!! The clue is in the title you stupid pricks! We get precious little in the corporate sponsored world that is LA LA land that isn't sanitised and plenty of shitty product that is only thought of as being worthy if fans of the Ashley twins can go see it (and I don't mean the 'fans' of the twins that want to screw the shit out of them. Sick fucks) Die Hard IS the greatest American action flick of all time, I'm with Vern 100% on that one. Give it a swan-song worthy of that proud history!
20th Century Gay Fags!!! Sucking each other's poles!!! by Riley Martin	May 2nd, 2007 05:49:59 PM
Disclaimer: Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Cool breeze of awesomeness by Mr Spork	May 2nd, 2007 05:51:05 PM
is my new favorite catchphrase. Die Hard not only shouldn't be PG 13, but it should have to be edited to get an R instead of NC 17
Wow, I never even considered this. by Jack Burton	May 2nd, 2007 05:51:41 PM
Seriously. Never in a million years did I think Die Hard 4 would be PG-13. Then I remembered this is the new and improved 20th Century Fox, where franchises go to die and TV shows fail to live. A PG-13 Die Hard? I'll catch it on cable. Fuck you Fox.
Robocop 3 is another example by IndyCollector	May 2nd, 2007 05:52:42 PM
How could any studio head with at least one living brain cell water Robocop down? Robocop! The first movie is one of the most violent action movies around. Even the second one, while not as good as the first, is still hardcore in it's action. Robocop 3 gets made for kids and sits on a shelf for a year and a half before it finally gets a quiet release and a deserved quiet death. Please don't do this to Die Hard, Fox. Turn McClane into a cartoon for TV the way Rambo and Robocop were if you need to bank on the kiddies. Leave the films for us grownups.
That is so weak by superfleish76	May 2nd, 2007 05:55:31 PM
Die Hard was one of the first R-rated movies I ever saw in a theater. I've seen all three on their opening weekend. If this one is going to be PG-13, I will not pay money to see it!
From the people that made a pg13 Alien vs Predator by Leafy McPlantsalot	May 2nd, 2007 05:59:35 PM
how the fuck do you take two hard R franchises, pit them against each other in a battle to the death and somehow come out with a PG13 rating. I hate everybody. Especially myself for going to see that piece of shit in the movies. It felt like somebody watched Aliens once and wrote a script....UGH!!!! As for Die hard 4, who cares, this movie had suck written all over it from the moment Len What The Fuck Have I Done To Deserve All This Good Fortune In MY Life - got a hold of it. Ugh. Why would Kevin Smith agree to be in this. He has to see why that would be bad, right? I just hope they go completely over the edge and get Vanilla Ice to do the Die Hard, Die Hard Rap! just like ninja turtles 2. Ugh!!!! Remember when people got into this business because they understood the magic and power of film. I hate everybody.
WOW!? ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? FUCK YOU FOX by The Ender Smites Foes	May 2nd, 2007 06:00:19 PM
SERIOUSLY WHAT THE FUCK? Pg-13?? ARE YOU FUCKING JOKING?? FIRST YOU PUT THE FAG FROM THE MAC COMMERCIALS TO GET YOUNG NERDY WOMEN IN THE AUDIENC, NOW YOU PUSS IT UP BY MAKING JOHN MCLAIN SAY "DAmn It" INSTEAD OF ," WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK GOD DAMN IT?" FUCK YOU! Consider my ticket unsold assholes!!
Remember when studios liked R ratings? by Patrick to the max	May 2nd, 2007 06:01:50 PM
I mean seriously... All 4 Lethal Weapon Movies were R. 300 just blew people away and it was R. All 3 of the Matrix movies have been R. What do all those movies have in common?? WB made them! They don't fucking shyaway from an R rating like these dumbasses at Fox! Die Hard has always been about blowning shit up and killing the terroists and screaming YIPPIE KY YAY MOTHER FUCKER! If this is PG-13, count me out. I don't want to see a dumbed down kids version of Die Hard.
PG-13, huh? ... by jimmy rabbitte	May 2nd, 2007 06:02:07 PM
...This has to be the worst idea since naming Renny Harlin director of Die Hard 2.
Fucking dissapointing! Die Tards! by Womb2dooM	May 2nd, 2007 06:03:00 PM
You catch a cracker off guard with this shit!
I told you this type thing would happen but no one by emeraldboy	May 2nd, 2007 06:03:51 PM
listened. I will explain again. One of the laws that the bush administration passed was called the family film act. Simply put it means that all studios have to by law have to tone down screen violence, take out cursing or anyhing that is deemed unsuitable for family audiences. Hence it is called the family film act.
Pretty sad. by mrfan	May 2nd, 2007 06:05:31 PM
I have enjoyed the DH movies. All four should be equal billing in the "R" rating. There is no excuse for this. Also, to the idiot who said that 300 and Matrix were R movies that did good in the summer please check your facts again. Yes, they did fantastic at the box office but neither came out during the typical summer movie season. Both were March releases. Unless Fox changed this also then try to get the facts straight. I wonder what kind of people run something like Fox. I always wanted to be in on the conversations that determine what audiences should receive at the box office. I guess history is not important. Oh well, one less movie for me to see at the theater.
that Macintosh guy... by Bruno Diaz	May 2nd, 2007 06:06:19 PM
is a complete douche bag. This country is being taken over by douche bags. Thanks Vern for getting pissed about it. I can't believe I read the entire thing. (and another thing: If anyone from Macintosh/Apple (I refuse to call it "Mac") is reading this; please stop jamming that douche bag down our throats as a supposedly "cool guy". he's a fucking twerp. the dorky IBM guy is actually a lot more humble, disarming, easy to relate to and hence more charismatic. But then again, if you work on the "Mac" ad campaign, you're probably a total fucking douche bag yourself who drives a Segway to work and listens to bourgeois house music and says "podcast" a lot. Fuck you.
LOL!!!! by El Scorcho	May 2nd, 2007 06:07:52 PM
Luckily I have no connection to this franchise whatsoever. I've never seen a Die Hard film and it doesn't look like I'm gonna start anytime soon. Boycott it, motherfuckers. PG-13? Sissy, pansy bullshit.
Cannot wait for DH 5. by mrfan	May 2nd, 2007 06:10:51 PM
I bet we see Bruce Willis chasing after bad guys in one of those Shriner cars through some parade. There will be clowns, animals, and lots of kid sidekicks. It will be rated PG.
THIS YEAR LITTLE MISS PG-13 FUCK UP! by hadez	May 2nd, 2007 06:11:47 PM
Vern, I'm with ya 100%. So, I guess that the part in the trailer where he says "Yippee Kai Yey" then gets cut by something will actually happen in this movie. Fuck you, Fox!
MrFan by TequilaMocking	May 2nd, 2007 06:12:40 PM
Matrix Reloaded made 900 billion dollars in the summer. As did Troy and Wedding Crashers. Even Bad Boys 2 didn't bomb.
Mr. FAN by Leafy McPlantsalot	May 2nd, 2007 06:14:18 PM
Matrix 2, Terminator 2, Bad Boys 2, Saving private Ryan, Gladiator, Air Force One. all high grossing r rated action/ish. leave the kid alone
Yippie-Kie-Yay, Motherfuckers! by CineRam	May 2nd, 2007 06:15:29 PM
That's all I'm saying, Fox. And Bruce sure as hell can't say what I just said if Live Free or Die on a Mineature Golf Course is PG-13. Save the line. Get the R. That's all I'm saying. Happy Trails. By the way, Vern, you fucking rock.
america is a fucked up country.... by emeraldboy	May 2nd, 2007 06:16:01 PM
You are all complaining that this film is not violent enough and yet the NRA is say there should be no gun control and if the students of Virginia tech had them there would have been no massacre. and yet loner can go into a gun shop and buy guns and blow people away. Insane.
"BRUSH YOUR TEETH!!!" by kikuchiyoboy	May 2nd, 2007 06:21:48 PM
"Yipp Ka Yaaaaaay... Buttercup?"" Why stop at 13? Make it G like that 300 video. Then maybe I'd see it. Watered down McClane... what's the world coming too?
Police Academy 1... by jimmy rabbitte	May 2nd, 2007 06:22:34 PM
rated 'R' and everybody in my junior high school saw it anyway. Police Academy 2: PG-13... again everybody went and saw it; but even at 14 years old we were already getting over it. When Police Academy films 3 through infinty came out and were rated PG, the only people I knew that saw them were the five year old brothers of my girl friends. Like it or not Fox, if you start watering down the rating, the Sesame Street set will be the only audience left for the Die Hard films.
FUCK YOU FOX EXECS. by TheDohDoh	May 2nd, 2007 06:24:26 PM
YOUR STUDIO FUCKING SUCKS. NO 16 YEAR OLDS WANT TO SEE BRUCE WILLIS DRIVE AROUND THE MAC KID. THIS ONE IS FOR THE 20SOMETHINGS WHO KNOW WHAT THE FUCK IS UP. FUCK YOU FOX. A PG13 DIE HARD IS LIKE A PG BEVERLY HILLS COP OR A G-RATED NINJA TURTLES MOVIE. IT'S THE ANTHESIS OF THE TITLE AND THE CATCH PHRASE AND THE WHOLE 'KILLING MOTHERFUCKING TERRORISTS, LIVE VICARIOUSLY" THING. FUCKING IDIOTS. YOU PROBABLY GRADUATED FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF MIAMI.
I looked at MIAMI VICE by Tourist	May 2nd, 2007 06:26:11 PM
The fact that it was, you know, Miami Vice, and also a stinking pile of boring inchorent ugly shit didn't help it's box office either.
Hey, I'm 16 and love the Die Hard movies by Z 008	May 2nd, 2007 06:27:40 PM
I love the name and trailer, but if this gets a PG-13, I've lost all little faith left I have in Fox. Yippie-Kie-Yay, Motherfuckers!
Once Bush leaves the White House.... by exie	May 2nd, 2007 06:28:32 PM
...there will be a resurgance of hard R movies again. This religious right element that all these fucking myopic idiots in Hollywood so fear, will have lost their voice when we elect Gore or even Guiliani (the best scenario for Repubs).....Our next President isn't going to give a shit if John McClane says Mutherfucker or Sharon Stone takes it in the ass in Basic Instinct 3...they'll have better things to do like govern our country with a brain. Hollywood sucks balls. They are scared of alienating the dreaded "MIDDLE AMERICA" which translates to white religious fanatics. For some reason they care more about one sect of our country that probably doesn't go to their movies to begin with. They steal them. Online or w/hacked Direct TV boxes. Trust me. Everytime I've been in Middle America I'm stunned to see how smart those fuckers are when it comes to piracy. The moral of the story is this -- If John McClane can't say Yippe Kay Yay Mutherfucker in this movie, it will be laughed off as a tremendous bomb. Pull yer mutherfucking heads out of your asses Fox.
Why? by wease1	May 2nd, 2007 06:30:05 PM
Seriously what the fuck, gogo the return of the production. :o
Die Hard 4: The Search For More Money by Amy Chasing	May 2nd, 2007 06:30:58 PM
They'll release a PG film, and then make almost double the money when they release the PG & the R rated DVDs. Sucks to be a cinema fan.
the only way for this to change is... by brassai2003	May 2nd, 2007 06:31:51 PM
Get Harry to Get Sly to Get BRUCE to lean on the studio. Ths studios laugh at TBs like this. I'm not wasting my energy ranting. It' SUCKS, but the studio will o what the studio will do. NOW, if you REALLY want to piss them off, get one of our web savvy TBers to set up a Boycott Die Hard website. With enough names, the media will pick it up (Next on CNN: the Power of the INternet!). seriouly, lets use the power of the web and fans.
THIS JUST IN: SUPERBAD SPITS CUM ON PG13 DIE HARD by TheDohDoh	May 2nd, 2007 06:33:13 PM
SERIOUSLY, THIS IS THE SUMMER THAT TWO OUT-OF-SHAPE TEENAGERS IN SUPERBAD WERE MORE BADASS AND MANLY THAN JOHN MCCLANE. RIDICULOUS. FOX, IF YOU WERE SMART YOU WOULD HAVE HAD AN ONLINE DONATION WEBSITE WHERE FANS OF DIEHARD COULD DONATE $1 TOWARDS A FUN THAT SET A QUOTE OF BLOODY DEATHS. I WOULD HAVE DONATED $10 ON TOP OF MY TICKET TO GET THAT FUCKER UP TO 300+ TERRORIST DEATHS. INSTEAD, I'M GIVING ALL MY MONEY TO SUPERBAD THIS SUMMER, THE HARDEST-R MOVIE AROUND. EAT BALLS FOX. I GUESS WHATEVER FUNDS YOUR COKE HABITS, YOU SOULESS CREATIVE VOIDS.
DAMN YOU ROTHMAN!!!!! by Doc_Strange	May 2nd, 2007 06:33:26 PM
People have all but forgotten to say that in the talkbacks. Well if I'm gonna be the only one to keep it going, so be it. DAMN YOU ROTHMAN!!!! Fire this fucker already, shit.
Has the rating been confirmed yet? by BitterMan23	May 2nd, 2007 06:33:39 PM
Or is this just Bruce rambling?
Hey Leafy and Tequila by mrfan	May 2nd, 2007 06:33:53 PM
Check out his post. He stated that 300 and the Matrix 1 were summer movies R rated that did great. Yes, both did fantastic business.They were not summer movies though. Not once anywhere in my post did I say that R rated movies did poorly in the summer. I saw many of the examples that were given. I love good R movies. All I know is that if you are going to talk the talk and rip other peoples posts then perhaps he should have done his homework with some the movies you both suggested. Wedding Crashers is an excellent example. Now let us pray that all Fox executives will feel the wrath of Bruce when he comes storming into their offices to kick some ass.
The straw that broke the outlaw's back! by TELF	May 2nd, 2007 06:34:23 PM
Good for you Vern. We have to sort this shit out! One word (sort of) 300! That was R as a motherfucker and made a double ton of cash - worldwide. And that starred a Scots plank who can't speak properly... This has Bruce Willis in full non-cameo, non-Halle Berry, non-range exploring Fuck-you-I'm-Bruce-Willis mode. FUCK! Let the man MP5 kneecap someone in super slo mo. Let him drive an icicle into some goon's ocular cavity. Let him blow away a bunch of dudes at close quarters, in an elevator, on a hunch! It's what he does.
Rupert Murdoch by emeraldboy	May 2nd, 2007 06:35:28 PM
Rupert Murdoch Runs Fox as a family company. Die hard came out before he took it over. If Die hard had been released under his watch, it would have got a pg13 rating. He went ballistic when he found out about Fight Club, that movie was edited down under his orders, nothing happens in FOx without Murdochs approval and or say so, which is why he dumped futurama and family guy. He is unique in the world of entertainment, he has seen off all his rivals and if vern thinks that he will lose any sleep over the rantings of a fanboy thing again. Murdoch runs Fox with an Iron fist. Even his children call him boss and his children all work for him. He maybe 80+ put this is one of the smartest shrewdest people around. Who bought myspace for 300 million? he earns more money then any of you and he really doesnt give a shit. He is the boss of twentieth century Fox and untill such time as he cant breath, that is the way things will remain. If you want to understand the boss. buy the Murdoch Archipelago. and shudder.
Plus, if they do make it PG13... by BitterMan23	May 2nd, 2007 06:36:25 PM
are they going to have to change Tim Olyphant's character name to Mr. Falcon?
PG13 Die Hards = The terrorists have won... by Alonzo Mosely	May 2nd, 2007 06:38:48 PM
Do you see people... R rated action movies abound, then the terrorist attacks of 2001, thereafter a decent into PG-13 mush. It was their plan all along, nobody respects America because of things like PG-13 Die Hards. It was a terrorist plan more fiendish than anything Marwan ever devised. The only way to fight back is a return to R rated action flicks of yore...
Yippee-ki-yay, Mr Falcon. by SalvatoreGravano	May 2nd, 2007 06:38:57 PM
This entire thread is like one big chicken juss' waitin' to get plucked. Flip those melon farmers.
Harry's nephew is NOT having this! by BannedOnTheRun	May 2nd, 2007 06:40:22 PM
Full-on unrated European director's cut with special Paul Verhoeven guest-directed sex scene or he's not eating his vegetables! FUCK BROCCOLI!
Fuckin' just Die Already........ by Doc_Strange	May 2nd, 2007 06:41:22 PM
The first one was pretty good but nothing to write home about, the second sucked a big donkey's balls, the third one was watchable-- on cable. I'm not holding out hope for this nor am I going to go out of my way to pay to see it. I don't give a shit about the rating. Bruce Willis career has pretty much run its course at the point where he lost that last bit of hair on his head.
pg-13 movies are no better than TV...why bother? by Meatbiscuit	May 2nd, 2007 06:42:15 PM
to hell with the fluff that i cant even turn off.
this is depressing. by mr. brownstone	May 2nd, 2007 06:44:38 PM
Seriously I feel sad and angry. All the other films in the series were R and each one made more money than the last! Why are they second guessing that? Corporate cowardice pure and simple. I was a member of the built in guaranteed first weekend auience for this movie, but guess what I will no longer be seeing this in theatres. I feel betrayed and insulted. I want to say this again : All the other films in the series were R and each one made more money than the last!
They most likely SHOT for a PG-13 by performingmonkey	May 2nd, 2007 06:45:52 PM
I don't care what Willis supposedly said, this project probably only got green-lit if they promised to turn in a PG-13, even if they knew a harder version would exist for DVD. TRUST ME, it will have been shot for PG-13 with pussified content like Terminator 3 and Alien vs Predator (I'm not sure if T3 got a PG-13 but it got a 12A in the UK which is the same) and like those additions to classic franchises you just mess it all up by not taking the content level to the same...level. To some people this could look like a lot of whiney fanboys complaining because wah swwearwing and bwlood won't wah be in wah, but like has been said, this will NOT BE DIE HARD.
Once Bush leaves the White House.... Bitch, please. by BannedOnTheRun	May 2nd, 2007 06:46:37 PM
Yeah, it sucks that George W. Bush himself deployed special forces to the studios to prevent them from filming R-rated movies. And now we're stuck with family fluff like Hostel and Hostel Part 2 and The Hills Have Eyes and The Hills Have Eyes 2 and Saw 1, 2, 3 and 4 and Turistas and Texas Chainsaw Massacre and Hannibal Rising and Zodiac.
Stop your bitching. by PwnedByStallone	May 2nd, 2007 06:51:15 PM
Have you fuckers seen a PG-13 movie lately? They are more violent than an R-rated movie from the 80's. You have to disembowel somebody on screen to get an R rating these days. There's nothing in the original Die Hard that you can't see on fucking 24 every week. Chill.
What does it matter? We're all going to die eventually. by tonagan	May 2nd, 2007 06:51:41 PM
I'm in an existential mood tonight.
die hard IV: the extra hard edition by LarryTheCableGuy	May 2nd, 2007 06:55:28 PM
in my heart i feel they might just make it an r rated movie and all will be well. but in my brain i think that since the movies got some young kid sidekick and young daughter held hostage the studios want highschool kids to see this and it will be pg-13. when i was in highschool i saw r' rated movies all the time. then i remember when i was 18 in like 1996 things started to change and they started carding at theatres, luckily i missed that. my point is fuck pg-13, i could handle an r rated movie in 5th grade even.
Yipee Ki Aye, You Bad Men!! by Edward_nygma	May 2nd, 2007 06:57:52 PM
Live Free Or ... I'm sorry, this has never happened to me before. Just give me a couple of minutes. Maybe if we watch a video or something. No, no... don't go... Awwwww hell.
TOO SHITTY! by Err	May 2nd, 2007 06:59:23 PM
This news is too shitty and too soon!
total bullshit. so you get by batmanthehorse	May 2nd, 2007 07:00:28 PM
total bullshit. so you get one fuck use in a pg13 right? so in the trailer when he says the yippee kay yay motherfucker and it cuts out before he says it...that oh...whatever. you cant make die hard pg13. i agree with you about the father and son thing too. my dad watched die hard with me when i was pretty young. that part where he's picking the glass out of his feet! that shit was fucked up. i cant beleive they would bother with this shit. why not just make another generic bruce willis movie instead of fucking up die hard.
Somewhere in Sanford, Danny Butterman weeps... by jabbathegriffin	May 2nd, 2007 07:02:07 PM
Say what you will about Transformers, in the end it's just a cartoon. This is a MUCH BIGGER travesty if it's true. Fox has been getting a free pass because we're obsessed with flames on fucking Optimus!!!!!
ho ho ho by batmanthehorse	May 2nd, 2007 07:06:36 PM
now i've got an unrated yippy kay yay edition. give me a break. i was born in 1983 and i grew up with john mcclane. i remember riding my huffy up to kmart to buy the THX VHS trilogy set. i can see it now. bruce willis facing off against a terrorist who tells his henchmen "don't forget to use your nails boys"
Right On by erichaislar	May 2nd, 2007 07:09:26 PM
Boycott the film if it is PG-13. I want to Die Hard!
bottom line is that they already filmed it with.... by batmanthehorse	May 2nd, 2007 07:09:34 PM
a pg13 mentality. in order to be a true r-rated movie, it has to be r-rated from the start. its like when they added penis biting or whatever to that stupid snake ride on a plane. it was still a pg13 movie even if they did go back and add some r rated type shit.
true by slkboxrman	May 2nd, 2007 07:13:51 PM
getting a pg-13 is not bad, coulda been worse, coulda been PG....pg-13 is a compromise from the studio when a movie is originally rated R but the filmakers agree to cut a couple of really graphic scenes....it prob wil be an R tho... anyone else see bruce willis drunk at the nets game online somewhere, where hes saying how this movie is his favorite movie since the original...and whoever said it earlier please dont say TROY or WEDDING CRASHERS when u want to argue why DIE HARD is ok with a pg-13 rating...no comparison, sorry, i dont find owen wilson or that other guy that funny anyways....and who gives a flying fuck about brad pitt anymore.....lay off the mac dude, hes an up and coming star, so is the hottie they got to play mcclaines daughter.......michael bay woulda made an awesome die hard movie...lol
Moa Kaka by mr. brownstone	May 2nd, 2007 07:14:55 PM
I guess you have never heard of Lee Marvin, Lee VanCleef, Clint Eastwood, Toshiro Mifune, Charles Bronson, etc. All those guys kicked ass till they day they died you fucking pussy.
of course by mr. brownstone	May 2nd, 2007 07:16:36 PM
Clint is still alive... but goes without saying.
My heart hurts by Turd Furgeson	May 2nd, 2007 07:21:16 PM
I can't believe this, I really can't... I was so excited by that last trailer, thinking of how much cool John McClane action they weren't showing us cause it was bloody or profane filled... I'm really not sure I'll see this now. I just went from seeing it on open day to maybe not seeing it at all. Let me guess, "Yipee Kay Yay Mother Fucker" will be the one F word in the film so they can keep it pg-13.. I am really dissapointed...
Never gonna spend my hard-earned money by SpencerTrilby	May 2nd, 2007 07:25:06 PM
on a sissy PG-13 Die Hard. Never in a million years. Gotta sneak in theaters instead, and then spread the word that the movie is fucking bad (and I have a bunch of friends who are relying on my opinion when it comes to movies - much less when it comes to geopolitics, go figure) DAMN YOU TOM ROTHMAN!!!
A sad day by Gr33nlant3rn	May 2nd, 2007 07:30:29 PM
Who the hell ever even thought of making a Die Hard movie that was going to be rated pg-13. a lot of the most exciting parts and plot points in the original came with britality.
Another rant by BitterMan23	May 2nd, 2007 07:36:01 PM
This guy isn't as funny as Vern, but maybe the more rants that show up, maybe FOX will re-consider! haha yeah right. anyway: http://tinyurl.com/3dlew9
THIS YEAR'S SUPERMAN IV: THE QUEST FOR PEACE!!! by Err	May 2nd, 2007 07:56:32 PM
And just as crappy too!
Emeraldboy by Mezzanine	May 2nd, 2007 07:58:04 PM
Get your shit straight, no one is MAKING the studios dumb down the violence. If the shit you were talking about were true, do you think we would have seen Hostel, or Grindhouse? No, you fuck! Studios are dumbing shit down so they can make more money off of dumb ass people like you, who probably thought the Phantom Menace was "OMG! Kick ass, I love Jar jar!" Fuck off and die. Oh, and by the way, Fox can go fuck off and die as well. If this is PG-13 count me out.
Plain and simple... by NubtheSquirrel	May 2nd, 2007 07:58:07 PM
I won't go see it if it gets hacked to a PG-13. The first three were "R", "Shoot Em Up" will be "R", "300" one of the biggest movies of this year so far was "R" and didn't suffer from that at all. Giving a Die Hard movie an R rating will take the violent edge from it. It will feel cheapened somehow. The grittiness that makes these movies what they are will be absent. Not even kidding. This movie gets a PG-13, I don't give a shit. Fox will not get my hard earned six bucks for the flick. Hell, they won't even get my one dollar when it reaches the dollar theater here in Fort Worth. It's a fucking Die Hard movie. PG-13? No ass in seat for it. Plan and simple...
PG-13 DIE HARD should have been called... by Harry Weinstein	May 2nd, 2007 08:00:21 PM
DIE HARD AT THE BOX OFFICE. Because it will. Best Vern posting EVER. Reason 1: "a die hard DIE HARD die hard". Brilliant. Reason 2: The bit about fathers and sons is directly on point, 100% accuracy. DIE HARD wasn't the first R movie I saw in a theater with my dad - that'd be BEVERLY HILLS COP II. But it was the first one that actually mattered, where we both came out of it knowing we'd just witnessed a for-real classic and that mom almost certainly wouldn't have approved. Way to fuck up a much-needed father-son bonding moment for the youth of today, Fox. You guys just plain suck.
Besides... by NubtheSquirrel	May 2nd, 2007 08:00:21 PM
It's not a Die Hard movie without a Yippie Ki yay Motherfucker! That's sure to be the first thing gone despite being in the trailers now...
Didn't you see this coming a mile away? by The Artist FKA Vesuvio	May 2nd, 2007 08:05:24 PM
Those guys fucked up with Aliens, Predator, X-men and, for many, Star Wars and Terminator - plus The Simpsons, The X Files, 24 and many others on TV. Of course they'd fuck up John McLane. That's what Fox do. It fucks up things.
I blame special edition unrated DVD's by Ironmuskrat	May 2nd, 2007 08:08:16 PM
Seems like its standard procedure for movies studios to double dip the public now. Release a movie in theaters at PG-13 to maximize your potential audience. Then turn around six months later and release a special edition unrated version to lure people into buying the version "you couldn't see in theaters!" What a load of bullshit! It like a bait and switch scam. You pay your cash to see a movie in good faith believing its the finished product. Then you find out six months later there is actually a different version of the movie coming out on DVD that may or may not be better then the one you shelled out $20 to see. Now I understand that directors may film scenes or an ending to a movie that may not make the final cut, but back in the day that was a decision that was made to make the movie best possible "final" version possible. You just know that the new Die Hard movie was filmed with a PG-13 and an R rated version. Why not release both versions at the same time and see how they do money wise.
Tom Bodet, that was hilarious! by iron pills	May 2nd, 2007 08:08:22 PM
Dirty Harry with a walker and a 12 gauge! Hahaha! I don't think I've laughed that hard in a while! Back to Die ??? This series began and should end as a rated R, balls to the wall, all out action flick. This watering down of hard, R rated franchises needs to stop pronto (I'm lookin at you, Alien vs Predator) Like someone else said earlier, his goddamn tag line is "yipee-kay-yay mother fucker". How is he supposed to pull that line off in a pg-13 flick? It'll be like watching an R rated flick dubbed over for basic cable. Yipee-kay-yay mother flower. Doesn't have the same ring to it. And can someone point Fox over to Box-Office Mojo and show them how much money an R rated flick can make (300?) Jesus...
Die Tard was NOT filmed as PG-13. by Womb2dooM	May 2nd, 2007 08:10:01 PM
As stated in the opening, the film was shot as an R and will LIKELY be cut to PG-13. This isn't guaranteed and it is not the end of the world. It's just another grey hair on the film communities head. We're not at "Stroke" alert yet, people.
I was going type out a bunch of... by Howard the Duck	May 2nd, 2007 08:13:31 PM
...venom and fiery anger-ridden R-rated shit, but I just can't bring myself to do it. So, I'll keep it short: Fuck you, fucking Fox, you motherfuckin' shitheads.
BTW, doesn't PG-13 still permitted 1 F-bomb? by Womb2dooM	May 2nd, 2007 08:17:44 PM
That was my understanding of the MPAA rating (as a non-USA-ian), so long as the "fuck" isn't sexual. They'll probably still be able to slip in the "Yippie-kay-yay, Motherfucker!" so long as it's not replaced with; "Yippie-kay-yay and now I will fuck your mother til she die hard!".
A PG-13 Die Hard is for..... by mrtwig48	May 2nd, 2007 08:19:38 PM
.....little kids and gays who like 13 year olds.
I Die Hard for rated R by gusradio	May 2nd, 2007 08:21:49 PM
I'm Down with the violence and bad language. I'm also down with films that are unreasonably irrisponsably violent as ever living fuck too.
TotallyGayForChristianBale by decfx	May 2nd, 2007 08:22:58 PM
the movies you mentioned were not released as summer movies. asswipe!
I'm fine with even a PG Die Hard. by darthbinks1220	May 2nd, 2007 08:30:32 PM
And as for best action film of all time, I think Raiders is alittle better than Die Hard. So get over the dearth of four letter words, people.
Fuckers. by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 2nd, 2007 08:32:37 PM
Fucking cocksucking pussies. It's just a movie, but FUCK!
Dear Mister Feather by casinoskunk	May 2nd, 2007 08:36:22 PM
... you are a fool if you make this PG-13
"not the one who got butt-fucked on live Tv by George Peppard	May 2nd, 2007 08:38:52 PM
...Dwayne!" We wouldn't have this gem if PG-13 infected die hard 88.
Yippie-Kai-Yay... by Lucasblows	May 2nd, 2007 08:39:23 PM
...mother fricker! ...mother fudger! ...you very bad man! ...jerk! ...poopie head! ...villain number four! Doesn't have the same ring as YIPPIE-KAI-AYE MOTHER FUCKER!
Don't be Ellis and by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 2nd, 2007 08:40:31 PM
The American Family could fall apart. Brilliant. Thank you Vern. You remain my favorite AICN contributor. Now to read everyones' posts.
I get sick of all the PG-13 fare by zooch	May 2nd, 2007 08:46:01 PM
And I want to see a good hard R-action film. What about me, I'm in the target demographic? Look like I'll have to look elsewhere.
Shit, Piss, Fuck, Cunt, Cocksucker, Motherfucker, Tits by Gozu	May 2nd, 2007 08:48:24 PM
What's funny is that routine is over thirty years old...AND IT'S STILL TRUE TODAY! Here's the transcript: http://www.erenkrantz.com/Humo r/SevenDirtyWords.shtml
God I Miss the 80s by Liberty Valance	May 2nd, 2007 08:53:40 PM
Die Hard, First Blood, The Terminator, Aliens, RoboCop, Predator...the list goes on and on. All uncompromising, hard R actions flicks that made fortunes and launched franchises. Maybe I'll just sit home with my DVD collection and giant TV this summer and reminisce about that golden age when action movies weren't pussified crap.
Darth Binks by Bubba Gillman	May 2nd, 2007 08:56:19 PM
I concur. Raiders is actually the greatest American action movie. Otherwise, great article Vern. I wonder if Raiders would get a PG if released today.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z DaKAQLexVE by GQtaste	May 2nd, 2007 09:00:20 PM
Check out a bombed Willis the other night @ NY Nets game. He drunk as shit and says this film is BETTER than the first one! Oh, and he says....? Check it out!
this is one of the main reasons i left the business by yassoo	May 2nd, 2007 09:11:12 PM
maybe some of you here have participated in the jerk-off sessions called meetings at the studios. where the marketing "staff" has more say than anyone else. fuck them and fuck hollywood. they're so afraid to not make their bottom-line (even though the bottom line is a hazy concept), and not reach their core-audience (read: kids), that they forget that WE are the core audience. fuck them. budgets have ballooned so out of whack that its somewhat understandable that they want the most people seeing their movies as possible, but come on -- what 14 year old cares about Die Hard? one of the talkback posters was right -- this "core" was what, 4 when the original came out? were they even born? give me fucking break. None of these execs have the guts to stand up. Sure some of them can say "well Miami vice was R-rated and look how it did... Or Grindhouse etc" Well Vice SUCKED and Grindhouse was looooong and masturbatory. I read an early draft of Die Hard 4.0 (at the time), so i dont know how its changed, but reading it i remember so clearly saying that if this ever gets made, it'll never get an R. Can you imagine any of the best action movies of the 80s getting made now? Beverly Hills Cop without swearing? FUCK THEM. Yes the scotch has kicked in tonite, but the state of the studio system is pathetic and run by spineless jellyfish whose only existence is to not get fired.
My rant from Myspace by Camacho for President	May 2nd, 2007 09:14:38 PM
This isn't my usual kinda thing, but being a fan of films and movies, I have an overwhelming desire to speak up about this subject. The castration of films for the sake of making a buck. For years and years now, we've been subjected to movies pushed out by major studios for the sole purpose of making that almighty teen dollar, the babysitter buck, if you will. We were subjected to one of the most poorly executed ideas in film franchise history in the past 5 years with a high concept, fan driven, clusterfuck that was Aliens vs Predator. Two franchises on their own with nothing but a hard R rating for each of the films that came before this steaming pile of shite. The same studio who produced and distributed a rushed final X-men movie. The same studio which is about to drop, of all things, a fucking PG-13 DIE HARD FLICK. This news dropped into my lap this evening, with a suprising ball crushing thud. When I was the wee age of 9, I watched the first Die Hard film. That shit changed my life; albeit the first R rated film I ever saw in theatres was Rambo 3. Nevertheless, the central point is, that film and the next 2 sequels after that were also very R rated. To make anything less is completely FUCKED UP. This isn't too much of a blow, I suppose the studio that is doing this is simply just packing more asses in seats. They will without a doubt release a director's cut on DVD in about 5 months, after the film sees it's last pennies from that aforementioned babysitter buck. That is no consolation prize to those who this franchise was bulit around. We the people, deserve as much blood, ass, guts, tit and profanity as we have been taught to get from a film titled Die Hard. This studio doesn't give a flying fuck about us, they have proven it time and time again, with the treatment of fan films such as Alien vs Pedator and the countless comic book films that they have butchered. Word on the streets is for the next Fantastic Four film, which is technically the Silver Surfer movie fan boys like myself have been pining away for since the days of the first Spider-Man flick and even before then. In this flick, which the first one actually sucked sweaty goat balls for many different reasons, they have taken the Surfer's nemesis, Galactus and supposedly turned this massive alien being with a big fucking purple helmet, (insert joke here), into a fucking ominous looking gas cloud. For fuck's sake people, we can't do this shit to ourselves anymore. Let the true fans be heard, after all it is our money that essentially fuels these pieces of film and sound into the staples in pop culture that they eventually become. Stop paying for this shit and maybe we won't have to endure this kind of blatent corporate disregard towards our cherished artistic properties. If this trend doesn't stop, I for one, we be forced to make my own movies; out of wooden toilet paper and binge drinking, alcohol induced explosive hobo shit. Still, the finished product would draw more attention and praise than a PG-13 Die Hard movie. Thoughts please.
"PG-13 is not dying hard." by CoursinLarry	May 2nd, 2007 09:20:03 PM
This is the coolest thing I've ever read on this site. Loved the part about the dads taking their sons and having them think the dad is cool. So fucking true. Good job, Vern. I hope it works.
PG13 by Stuntcock Mike	May 2nd, 2007 09:29:29 PM
means the terrorists have won. Fox of course, being the terrorists. Unrated dvd, here we come. By the by, where is the fucking Last Boy Scout sequel dammit? Vern, top drawer column brother. Keep it up.
Darthbinks by Liberty Valance	May 2nd, 2007 09:30:43 PM
This isn't about a lack of witty profanity-laced insults. It's about abandoning the characterization and tone established by the first 3 movies. Die Hard isn't Die Hard without Takagi's brains splattering all over a glass door after Gruber ventilated his skull. DH2 isn't DH2 without bullets ripping through bodies in the Annex Skywalk shootout or McClane stabbing a dude in the eye with an icicle. And DH3 ain't DH3 without that crazy blonde bitch painting the walls with a security guard's blood as she slashed his throat a billion times. We don't want to see a PG-13 Die Hard any more than you would want to see an R-rated Indiana Jones. Indy spilling blood, ruthlessly killing people, getting drunk and dropping an endless series of F-bombs wouldn't sit too well with you, would it? That's because it would be a complete bastardization of an established character. Open your eyes--Fox is changing a character we love only to increase their bottom line. And for that we say, "Fuck them."
darthbinks1220... way off there buddy by modlight	May 2nd, 2007 09:36:45 PM
The fact that you can't differentiate between Indiana Jones and John McClane is why they screw up movies with ratings system. Action movies have genres of their own. I don't think anyone here would like an Indy movie that was full of curse words, darker,and overt gore (hence why Temple is sort of shunned). They also don't want John McClane softened as it would take away from the character and atmosphere created by the other movies. Different things need to be handled with different gloves and Fox put their Kid Gloves on a few years ago and hasn't taken them off.
YIPPIE KAI-YAY MOTHERLOVER!! by polyh3dron	May 2nd, 2007 09:38:29 PM
It doesn't have the same ring to it.
Bubba Gillman/ Liberty Valance by darthbinks1220	May 2nd, 2007 09:39:17 PM
Bubba: Raiders is perfection. It's Beethoven's 5th. Liberty Valance: Good point in the context of continuity. I'd be flabbergasted at a foul-mouthed Indy. It's blasphemy, I guess, for a Bond-mannered McClane.
They are cutting his balls off! by zooch	May 2nd, 2007 09:39:27 PM
Not even a casual Die Hard fan would buy a PG-13 DIE HARD starring the Mac kid and tech nerd Kevin Smith and no cursing McClane.
modlight / Liberty Valance by darthbinks1220	May 2nd, 2007 09:43:23 PM
I still though Casino Bond was a PG-13 badass. Ditto Batman Begins. Guess we'll always agree to disagree. Besides, being in the minority is cool, but maybe not for Fox. lol
Another movie I wont see at the cinema... by Judge Dredds Dirty Undies	May 2nd, 2007 09:43:58 PM
Thanks to the fucking suits. They wonder why people download movies when they keep pulling shit like this?
Don't invoke Raiders of the Lost Ark by I Dunno	May 2nd, 2007 09:52:13 PM
Raiders was a PG franchise. Die Hard is an R franchise. Of course you can make a good PG-13 action movie. But not Die Hard. "Yippee Kay yay...moth...explosion!!! Whatever.
Ya gotta admit... by ZaphodBeeblerox	May 2nd, 2007 09:52:19 PM
If this thing is released with a PG-13 rating about the only thing that will 'Die Hard' will be the franchise itself. As a young man the original Die Hard was the most kick ass action movie I had ever seen and still ranks in my favorite 2 or 3 all time films of that genre. There was a hero that was flawed, but beyond that, he wasn't invincible. He gets f*cked up and hurt. Not everything goes his way either, but he perseveres and makes do. I dont know if those studio heads realize how loyal fans can be to film franchises that they love. The Die Hard franchise are adult action movies. They arent for kids. As Vern pointed out, the only audience that changing from an 'R' to a 'PG-13' would benefit would be an audience that was barely out of diapers when the last movie was released. They didnt grow reciting lines from the movie, especially the trademark, "Yippi-Kay-Ay". The very audience that should be courting and marketing to are those of us that made the previous 3 films a part of our lives. I know that I sure as hell will not go to see in a theater, EVER rent, or watch on free tv ANY Die Hard film that's emasculated enough to be released to theaters with a PG-13 rating. Talk about a slap in the face...
Bond and Batman were never R series by BitterMan23	May 2nd, 2007 09:53:12 PM
thats the whole point.
I agree with Batman Begins/Bond by modlight	May 2nd, 2007 09:53:45 PM
I don't think those should be R. They are gateway heros.. If they were to much more violent and darker it would take away from their accessability. A 9 year old probably shouldnt be watching Die Hard, they should be watching Casino Royale and Batman to get ready for Die Hard in a couple years. Plus those were reboots... if in 15 years they want to reboot Die Hard (shudder) and want to take the character in that direction of PG-13 I guess they can. But if it's Bruce yippekayaking through some terrorists then there better better be some blood and fucks.
WE "NERDS" HAVE TO UNITE ON THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! by NoPIX	May 2nd, 2007 09:54:37 PM
PETITION, SOMETHING, ANYTHING THAT CAN BE MADE VOCAL. FUCK FUCK FUCK. EVEN IF THE FILM SUCKS ANYWAYS AND THEY WANT TO CHOP IT TO PG 13 WE SHOULD KICK THEIR ASSES SOMEHOW JUST FOR PAYBACK. FUCK.
The problem isn't ratings its being Genuine... by modlight	May 2nd, 2007 09:57:04 PM
The American public may not know quality, but they feel honesty. It's why Grind House Tanked... it was too tounge in cheek and disingenuine. If it had been truthfully bloody, like 300 then it would've been a success. Same here. if the American public gets a whiff that this is gonna be bullshit PG-13, it'll tank. Hopefully they'll learn their lesson and next time we'll be safe.
Even if it does get the R rating by I Dunno	May 2nd, 2007 10:02:27 PM
That will just mean that they leave in a FUCK here or there. It doesn't change the fact that they FILMED it to be optional. It's like those hi-larious PG-13 comedies that suck ass and then they release the "wild unrated" version and there's never really anything different because they never filmed the movie to be an R in the first place.
FOX can FOX themselves by haitu	May 2nd, 2007 10:06:30 PM
although, i believe the movie won't be nearly as good as the others, i would still want to watch it, but Fox has sealed the deal because I will not watch a PG 13 DIE HARD. Instead, i will be pirating it. peace.
Fuck Fox if they do this by EatIt	May 2nd, 2007 10:08:41 PM
For reals.
modlight : best reboot in recent mem-- Balboa! by darthbinks1220	May 2nd, 2007 10:16:57 PM
When Sly comes back, I want to rant about Burt Young being snubbed by the academy. I mean, did you see the emotion when he said "I can do this no more Rocko." Paulie owns.
I just got off the phone with Fox... by Christopher3	May 2nd, 2007 10:18:57 PM
And it's official. They're the summer's biggest pussies. Yippy Ki Yay, Martha Focker!
Cool. So how was the movie? by Freakemovie	May 2nd, 2007 10:19:58 PM
Good point and all, but was that supposed to be a review? Did you see it to make sure it actually sucked?
motherfuckers! by hargon27	May 2nd, 2007 10:20:24 PM
If Bruce Willis is that unhappy with it being PG-13 he should threaten not to promote the movie unless Fox meets his demands of an R-rating. That strategy worked wonders for Tom Cruise when he wanted that episode of South Parked from Paramount.
No R means no money from me. by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 2nd, 2007 10:27:09 PM
Believe it.
Don't be Ellis. That's funny. by DarthCorleone	May 2nd, 2007 10:28:57 PM
"And for kids who are allowed to go to R-rated movies with grownups. It is part of a long tradition of dads taking their kids to see R-rated movies, and making them think their dad is cool. If you pull this punk PG-13 move their dads will no longer be cool. The American family could fall apart." Well said. I was one of those kids, and it was great. I saw Alien and The Shining both by the age of 5. I turned out great.
There were a lot of things making me wonder about by Bronx Cheer	May 2nd, 2007 10:30:32 PM
this film. I expected to see it in the theater, but I didn't like the bald pate, the Mac kid--hated the idea of that snot-nosed brat fucking up the movie--and the CGI was way out of control. BUT it was Die H*** and it was Bruce Willis, so who knows, maybe it would surprise. But releasing at anything less than an "R" rating is heresy. It's walkie talkies instead of guns. It's Greedo shooting first. It's Indy having a son tagging along. IT'S WRONG. So I won't be dropping my $11 for Live Free or Die Broke. Take that and shove it in your spreadsheet, accountants/cowards who run Fox. If you have a certain director like PT Anderson make a film for you, you give him the tools and the cash and get out of his way. If you have Bruce Willis star in another Die Broke movie, you let the bullets fly, the blood flow, and the buildings explode...and you make damned certain that it's an R rated film, because there is something known as TRADITION. And that should still matter in this business. But here's the deal: Fox learned from observing Lucas' experience with the Prequels that you can ignore the ones who brought you to the dance, because there is a whole new generation of suckers who don't know any better. So they will play it safe and put this out as a PG-13 and expect that they can release an "unrated" DVD that will sell like hotcakes because of all that juicy stuff they cut for the theatrical run. But the truth is all they'll do is add a few minutes, and they can call it unrated, and they'll sell a bunch of discs, and they'll have their jobs, and they'll sleep very well at night, because they got theirs, Jack, and they're soulless bastards anyway. Thank you, Vern, for taking on this fight, but it's tilting against windmills.
Hoping and praying this ain't true... by cdubbs727	May 2nd, 2007 10:30:41 PM
Releasing a PG-13 Die Hard would be career suicide. Die Hard was a series known for 2 things: brutal, bloody action and Bruce Willis dropping the F-Bomb. I know FOX execs probably think "well, we can still do a PG-13 and give them big action sequences and stunt." But what you WON'T have is the blood flying from the gunshot wounds, icicles through the eyes, or all the stuff that makes the Die Hard series great. You'll have a movie that looks like Die Hard, but lacks any of what MADE it Die Hard. It will suck if it's PG-13.
Yay - another article the suits can ignore! by Doctor_Sin	May 2nd, 2007 10:31:24 PM
It would be nice if some of this pissy whining (with which I agree, btw) could actually, i don't know, find it's way into a wider medium than AICN. This is something requiring all-out social activism. Now, back to my lasagna.
Best AICN posting ever by Chief Redcock	May 2nd, 2007 10:34:21 PM
Thank you, Vern, that was truly kickass. PG-13 Die Hard? They might as well rerelease The Detective and call it Die Hard Begins, to complete this desperate ATTEMPT (and probably failed attempt) at a cash-in... (actually, rereleasing The Detective would be pretty cool)...
Live Free and Die Cop-out by iamnicksaicnsn	May 2nd, 2007 10:37:30 PM
God DAMMIT I hate Fox. Fuck those stupid bastards and their ridiculous decisions. Whether it's the TV or the Movies, FOX = SHIT. If it's not R, I ain't goin.
NO R, NO SALE!!! by CyberBeavis1326	May 2nd, 2007 10:39:18 PM
"Die Hard" was one of the first really good action movie I remember seeing as a kid in the theater. An old friend on the family took me to see it on the airbase in Turkey when I was 7. I can't imagine a PG-13 "Die Hard." I'm a fan of the series that loves 1 and 3, and thought 2 was ok. I have personal reasons to love 3, cause some of it was filmed where I lived in and around Charleston, SC at the time. Vern, congrats I agree. No R rating, no sale. I already am afraid of the director, he fucking blows. If this makes money, my big request, do one more full R rating with Micheal Bay directing (but strip him of his known ammenities, like the silly logos, etc.). Like when he did "Bad Boys", when he was just a budding action director. Micheal Bay could make one hell of a "Die Hard" film.
Die Puking by alphachemwolf	May 2nd, 2007 10:41:45 PM
I guess there is now no reason whatsoever to watch this movie. Spiraling downhill since the first that puts this in the toilet. They will not get my money.
A 24 film will have the problem,if that gets made by Chris38	May 2nd, 2007 10:42:29 PM
As another poster mentioned, Fox will definitely release an R rated version on DVD (to double dip after it's first released in a PG13 version). This is going to be the same problem a 24 film will have (that a PG13 rating will be an insult to that show's fans), if that gets off the ground before it's final season (since it has 2 seasons left), or just after it finishes on TV.
If it's PG then i wont be paying to see it... by quantize	May 2nd, 2007 10:46:48 PM
wake the fuck up hollywood
NO WAY WILL I PAY MONEY FOR this as PG-13 by turketron	May 2nd, 2007 10:46:50 PM
I saw the trailer for the first time yesterday, and I forwarded it to a few friends because it looked awesome. "Sure, the Mac guy sucks, but it's Die Hard" I said to myself. Then, after watching an awesome episode of Lost, I swing by here on the way to the talkback and I see this shit. WHAT. THE. FUCK. There is absolutely no way in hell I will pay money to watch a PG-13 Die Hard. Fuck this shit, I'm spreading the word far and wide. If it ain't R, it definitely ain't Die Hard. Fuck, I have to go to bed pissed off now.
Son, you got a panty on your head... by The Atomic Worm	May 2nd, 2007 10:47:04 PM
This is the worst idea in the history of bad ideas. If this happens, my $$$$ stays firmly in my pocket.
Michael Bay would have no clue what to do with McClain by Bronx Cheer	May 2nd, 2007 10:47:39 PM
Seriously, CyberBeav, Die Hard had a soul, had a beating heart, sweat and sinew. Bay makes films that have all the depth of saran wrap. There are half a dozen directors who could breathe some serious life into Die Hard if given the chance. But Bay is definitely not one of them.
You hear me? No R, no $$$$$$$ by The Atomic Worm	May 2nd, 2007 10:48:09 PM
No R, no $$$$$$$
At this point I don't even think Fox is in it for the.. by rbatty024	May 2nd, 2007 10:48:35 PM
money, I think they just want to shit on the fans of these series. Even greed cannot explain how these assholes have consistently put out terrible sequels to time honored genre films. The only explanation is spite.
I won't pay money to see a PG-13 version, on principle. by Chief Redcock	May 2nd, 2007 10:50:35 PM
That's all I have to say really.
After "Crapsino Royale" I resolved not to go to a movie by kabong	May 2nd, 2007 10:53:16 PM
unless I am assured that it is likely to satisfy my requirements of it. If a movie is trading on certain expectations, I have to be sure it's going to meet those expectations. Making Die Hard 4 a PG-13 is sufficient reason for me not to spend time and money going to see it. Theatre releases are, it seems, commercials for the DVD versions. Perhaps Die Hard 4 will have a DVD version with R-rated material added/restored.
DIE SOFT? by KAOS11DIRECTOR	May 2nd, 2007 10:55:23 PM
If is going to be PG-13 then I'm not going to see it. I'm sure it would be awesome to see it with a bunch of little kids talking on their cell phones with babies crying behind me. Count me out.
"Die hard DIE HARD die hard?" by Billyeveryteen	May 2nd, 2007 10:55:55 PM
Amen brother. Don't be Ellis.
Live Soft by film_fanatic_in_the_original_bla ck_and_white	May 2nd, 2007 10:59:08 PM
What a pile of crap. Fuck fox. They fuck their fans over fucking repeatedly. Fuck Fox. Fuck them up their stupid asses.
Yippee-kay-yay, Mr. Falcon by Osmosis Jones	May 2nd, 2007 11:08:31 PM
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This year's Little Miss Die Ki ya! by Phillyflopper	May 2nd, 2007 11:10:00 PM
Or perhaps Die Hard 4.0: The Xtra Cloudy and balmy edition.
Vern burn himself in front of studio: YAYYY!!! by AvengingFist	May 2nd, 2007 11:11:34 PM
a plus.
Live free or blow chunks! by Phillyflopper	May 2nd, 2007 11:12:13 PM
Cause that's how the models do it!
KAOS11DIRECTOR by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	May 2nd, 2007 11:13:18 PM
I got that watching a Rated R film today. I ranted on The Zone. Nothing is sacred anymore. Sure it's just a movie, but I don't pay to listen to morons. I pay to watch a film. Well, I won't be paying to see this one.....Assholes.
Murdoch pro-censorship? by Rindain	May 2nd, 2007 11:17:06 PM
I'm not too familiar with Rupert Murdoch. Anyone know how conservative he is when it comes to "family values"? I'm starting to think the Fox heads might not have much say and that Murdoch may be setting FOX policy regarding ratings.
Rating's Not the Only Problem by wilbur gray	May 2nd, 2007 11:20:58 PM
Why is it that the only returning element from the original film is Bruce Willis?With A Vengeance was good,but sorely missed any other actor from the first Die Hard.At least Die Ha

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