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Herc Appraises The First New VERONICA Since February!!

as long as kristen bell is working by bouncing1	May 1st, 2007 01:42:50 AM
than im happy. god she's cute.
would Veronica Mars make a good Cylon? by Boomers_Lips	May 1st, 2007 01:55:48 AM
i think she would! she has street smarts and is a p.i.!
Wow, it's an honor to be deleted. by thelivingdoll	May 1st, 2007 02:25:25 AM
How funny, my little snide remark was taken down, but I'm sure a mindless drone "First" comment would have been left alone.
Act like you've got a pair CW. by The Reef	May 1st, 2007 03:18:37 AM
Because this is a wonderful little non-genre show that has a Buffy/Firefly/OC-esque following around the world, there should be no reason to question the validity of it's continuation. If you want the viewing figures to go up try the following. Run the series concurrently with no breaks, change the time slot to place it near a "ratings" show (i.e. run it AFTER the Pussy Cat Dolls - not INSTEAD of), run a few VMathons before the next series so people can catch this little gem, advertise it solidly, make a big POS presence for the DVD sets, and use Kirstins face on every bus and frisbee you can find. Rob Thomas is hugely talented and needs a broad brush to tell his stories, give him the chance to create the show he wants to rather than adopting the usual "Sword of Damocles" approach to ordering/renewal. Did no one out there in TV land learn the lessons from Firefly? I understand you have to be a slave to advertising revenue in the short term, but in the long term the DVD sales alone will be a goldmine, and you have the movie rights too... All you have to do is get this work of family/advertiser friendly fare to series five and all your dreams of avarice will be realised. Think about it.
Maybe lack of alternatives will save it. by Shan	May 1st, 2007 04:27:02 AM
That's what I felt helped save BSG for another year, the probability that any replacement would do worse. If nothing else, I hope the CW learn something from the axing of Angel (given everything that followed for years did much, much worse).
Look at it this way by The Selecter	May 1st, 2007 05:45:46 AM
if the CW can bring a show like 7th Heaven back, VM stands a chance. If not, then that will forever be the network's legacy.
what really saved BSG. by Boomers_Lips	May 1st, 2007 05:57:52 AM
Shane is correct. BSG is the only good thing SciFi has to offer. SG:1 is going off the air soon, and SG:A & Eureka is all thats left.
Well... by NudeandAroused	May 1st, 2007 06:04:39 AM
If VM goes, at least we can say we watched it from the start. I hope it stays though.
One of my favourites by Mr_X	May 1st, 2007 07:35:28 AM
it must be allowed to continue.. fingers crossed for may
CW sucks at promoting their own shows!! by Penetron	May 1st, 2007 07:43:46 AM
I didn't even know the show was coming back with more episodes until I checked AICN. This show deserves to be a hit. Does anyone else think Logan's mom's body will ever turn up? Anyone think she's still alive?
I love this show by Atomik Steve	May 1st, 2007 08:07:08 AM
can't wait for tonight! definitely one of the best shows on tv currently.
Love Veronica, But... by Roboteer	May 1st, 2007 09:05:36 AM
As much as TV and CAIR wants us to believe there are attacks on Muslims everyday in the US, it just doesn't happen. And besides a few high profile cases several years ago, there are very few so-called hate crimes against minorities overall. In fact where I am, there have been more staged hate crimes BY minorities for political gain than real ones, especially on college campi. Something I have to give VM credit for in previous episodes. I'm sure they will handle this as well. But just to provide a little reality check to the prevailing world view as Congress considers a far reaching hate crimes bill that would curtail freedom of speech and promulgate more litigation. Otherwise, Go V!
Oh, well. by CatVutt	May 1st, 2007 09:31:37 AM
I honestly don't have it in me to hold out any hope that we'll see VM back in any form. I'm looking forward to the remaining episodes, but I just have no faith whatsover in the CW at this point, and fully expect to be ignoring the network altogether for the foreseeable future.
love veronica, there is no but by Captain Vidal	May 1st, 2007 10:12:14 AM
if the cw execs cancel this show i'm a gonna take a dump on their cars. seriously.
Holy crap! What a libby-lib show from hell! by anchorite	May 1st, 2007 10:26:12 AM
I've never seen it, but this write-up sounds like the show would make Karl Marx proud. Excellent!
I hear ya Roboteer by Shivv	May 1st, 2007 12:05:44 PM
Though I do have some faith in Rob Thomas. Like you say, he does have a decent track record when it comes to handling complex issues. The episode earlier in the season with Tim Foyle's pregnant girlfriend and her preacher father was handled much better than I ever would have imagined. My guess is that the daughter will end up being the culprit
God I missed this show by mrtwig48	May 1st, 2007 12:25:31 PM
Word to your mutha fucka.
Welcome back, 'Ronnie! by Ellipsian	May 1st, 2007 01:15:14 PM
Here's hoping that your stay is longer than just five weeks, lest I have to boycott The CW for life (what else of value could I possibly find there?? The next "Doll"!? I think not).
A bittersweet return... by DanielKurland	May 1st, 2007 03:05:09 PM
Yes, I'm glad it's back. No, I'm not happy about standalones. Yes, I hope the episodes are great. Yes, this will make a cancellation even more crushing. I've pretty much assumed it will be cancelled, which is never good. I just wish the CW hadn't told everyone if certain expectations had been met ,the show'd be fine, and then reneged on it. And all of you are right, they DON'T have other quality programming. This year, more than any other seems to have been more frustrating in regard to network TV, and studio interference.
I'm sorry, when was Poiter on Veronica Mars... by DanielKurland	May 1st, 2007 03:07:37 PM
I've watched it from the beginning, and don't recall him.
I also meant to mention... by DanielKurland	May 1st, 2007 03:09:16 PM
The reason this show is so great, is when things like O'Dell's murder was being concluded, and the majority of us had an idea of who the killer was, it was still presented in a way that made the reveal interesting and entertaining.
Ah yes, the teen lesbian subplot by forgot_old_username	May 1st, 2007 03:27:55 PM
Even Mac and fish won't save this show. Shame.
un-american by showmethemonkey	May 1st, 2007 03:35:17 PM
tonights show is actually written by Robert Hull
Oh, Poiter's daughter, that makes more sense... by DanielKurland	May 1st, 2007 03:49:10 PM
I always thought it was funny her journalism teacher was in the opening credits, only to be removed after 3 episodes or so, they must have wanted her to be a mentor or something. Glad they turned the quickly changing journalism teacher into a running joke though.
Roboteer by ChildOfMen	May 1st, 2007 04:25:04 PM
I don't think the specific number of hate crimes specifically matters, nor the number of attacks on minorities. It's still pretty wrong, and it seems like an especially noxious kind of crime (to attack/kill someone specifically because of their race/sexuality/etc.). Just to ask, how will this hate crimes bill curtail freedom of speech and promulgate more litigation? I do recall seeing some people complain that they won't be able to spout their virulent attacks about how homosexuals are evil and destroying the country, for example, but how specifically does the hate crimes legislation deal with that? Just in that it would be seen as inciting violence, or something else? If so, I'm still not totally sure what the problem is. It's one thing to say you hate fags/muslims/blacks/etc. and so forth, but quite another to advocate physical violence or threats against them.
"Bald Asshole"... by DanielKurland	May 1st, 2007 05:00:23 PM
"Did they threaten you?" "Well, they said, 'Trick or Treat'" Hopefully SOMEONE knows what this "hate crime" I'm referring to is.
ChildofMen, I think the fear is that it will be... by anchorite	May 1st, 2007 05:21:37 PM
a situation where you have the prosecutors playing "thought police". Because a guy has a tattoo of a Swastika on his arm and he beats up a guy who's Jewish and steals his wallet, does that necessarily make it a hate crime? I say no, it doesn't. And this is coming from a Jew. But I guarantee you there will be immense political pressure to use hate crime legislation in a ton of cases - whether or not there is proper indication for it. Bottom line is: if you commit a crime, you broke a law. That law should be enough to work with. There's no need to throw another law on top of it that speaks to the potential (or supposed) motivation for someone's criminal actions. Hate Crime legislation is being proposed because of Politically Correct hand-wringing and pressure from minority groups. Do you think "hate crimes" weren't around a hundred years ago? A thousand? What is the possible benefit of having hate crime laws? Deterrence? No, I think not. I see the great potential for abuse with such laws in place. Prosecutors up for re-election, for instance. Look at Mike Nifong in the Duke rape case. Had he had hate crime legislation to work with, I assure you THAT would have been injected into the mix as well. So these guys would have been branded racists as well as rapists. And THAT is the kind of thing you can expect to see on a daily basis with hate crime legislation.
The Reef by Trader Groucho 2	May 1st, 2007 05:29:01 PM
AMEN
Anchorite... by DanielKurland	May 1st, 2007 06:11:35 PM
I agree.
Best show evar by Bob of the Shire	May 1st, 2007 07:52:33 PM
Veronica Mars! Fuck yeah!
Great Show by NudeandAroused	May 1st, 2007 08:25:02 PM
I will enjoy it as long as it is on.
Clearasil ad by keanho_in_nyc	May 1st, 2007 08:44:44 PM
Did anyone else notice those kids in the Clearasil commercial looked European and their voices were totally out of sync? European import redubbed?
"Nothing says 'I'm over you' than dating down." by Pennsy	May 1st, 2007 08:55:47 PM
LMFAO.
That'll learn ya, Logan.. by Pennsy	May 1st, 2007 09:01:46 PM

Great Episode! by Atomik Steve	May 1st, 2007 09:06:43 PM
Too bad my HD cut out at the end thanks to the storm. Had to switch over to standard def for the VM/Piz kiss. Thanks Cablevision!
Okay... by CatVutt	May 1st, 2007 09:19:46 PM
I still don't buy the Piz thing, but the way they went about it, basically screaming 'Rebound' all over it, I guess I can deal. Decent episode, but it's almost hard to enjoy knowing it's almost certainly a lame duck show, and there's no big mystery lurking. Loved the 'Now, which one of you has parents who...'
Oh, and... by CatVutt	May 1st, 2007 09:22:44 PM
The 'party in my private box' line was another great double entendre apparently unheard by the censors as only this show can do it. I'm sure the last few eps are gonna be filled with 'em.
At least you have the CW in HD, unlike those in Philly. by Pennsy	May 1st, 2007 09:24:07 PM
:(
Logan was so asking for that final scene... by Pennsy	May 1st, 2007 09:25:05 PM
PIZONICA, BAYBEE! :D
Great Return by ScooterKSU	May 1st, 2007 09:25:52 PM
My only complaint is that the Ronnie/Dick elevator scene should have been longer.
Piz = by AnnoyYou	May 1st, 2007 10:33:15 PM
Duncan mark II = RT's alter ego. How remarkably boring.
Finally, it's back by DrSarcasm	May 1st, 2007 10:47:23 PM
It seems like no matter what they do this show (ie. standalone episodes, Veronica + Piz), this show still rocks. CW Execs: Please Greenlight Season 4!!!
Loved it by Trader Groucho 2	May 2nd, 2007 12:09:31 AM
and I have high hopes Piz turns into some sort of nut job in the next few episodes. VM is not allowed a normal boyfriend.
I thought they canceled Veronica's Closet. by Napoleon Park	May 2nd, 2007 12:41:52 AM
I was just at the "Heroes" talkback saying I wouldn't drop into a discussion of a show I don't watch just to make a smart-ass remark, so this was a joke. Sorry, I just couldn't resist. Continue with your discussion. I did like Enrico Colantoni on "Just Shoot Me", he held his own among four better known performers. (See, even being a wise guy, I can still say something at least vaguely on topic.)
Good and bad... by DanielKurland	May 2nd, 2007 12:50:39 AM
A well-written episode with some appreciated callbacks, but Logan would not have put a picture of himself on a cake, and I really wish I was seeing the Wallace/Mac mystery that was supposed to be taking place. And yes, the Piz thing doesn't work for me, but CatVutt's perspective of it being purely rebound-based makes me slightly less upset about it. Although the ending with Veronica going somewhere with him doesn't bode well. I really hope the next episode doesn't start with the two of them in bed while he talks about how this would make a good opener for his radio show or something. It's unfortunate because in behind the scenes stuff Chris Lowell is hysterical and him and Bell have amazing chemistry. I just wish his character was more like that. All in all, it WAS a good episode, just minor quibbles, and next week, Paul Rudd.
question by RokurGepta	May 2nd, 2007 03:40:15 AM
anyone actually looking forward to hidden palms? It looks pretty lame IMHO, but then again I've only seen the teaser commercials and the weak sauce of a website.
I'm in love with Veronica mars. by RokurGepta	May 2nd, 2007 04:08:51 AM
God Bless Rob Thomas for creating this show, it's witty, intelligent, it's got great characters, Kristen Bell is amazing. I see an oscar 10 years or so down the road. I really hope the show continues with her as a sophomore at hearst. What a great episode, i'm glad the stupid hiatus is finally over. hugs to everyone
Wow, only one MIA by The Selecter	May 2nd, 2007 04:32:00 AM
poor Weevil. As good as this show is, imagine how much better it would have been if it was on a real network that allowed them to pay all the actors to be in all the episodes, and not forced the creator to bend over and change the show each time the ratings came in.
i say frak fox, frak cw, frak wb, frak upn by RokurGepta	May 2nd, 2007 04:45:11 AM
move all the good shows to HBO, and somehow alter the space time continuity and bring back dead like me, sports night, two guys a girl and a pizza place, brisco county jr., wonderfalls, firefly, farscape, surface, .... just to name a few. please cancel dancing with whores, american adultry, survivor: who gives a frak, and all the other stupid realty shows.
RokurGepta by Trader Groucho 2	May 2nd, 2007 05:03:01 AM
The "stupid realty show" I'd like to see cancelled is all that ridiculous get rich in real estate paid programming. Oh, and that's Dancing with rich One-Legged English Whores (otherwise known as something new for Quentin Tarantino - and he's been to Morocco).
another great epsiode by Mr_X	May 2nd, 2007 08:37:17 AM
i can deal with the standalones as thigns progress. the whole resturant thing was bit predictable. notice the middle eastern woman was the hot italian chick from the angel epsiode when spike and angel go to italy. gipsiy Ptui, i shall speak of them no more! ronnies bang out of order though piz is the rebound thing, poor chap, still, if he gets to bang vm before the season finishes and its 5 years in the future, i say well played that man there is n absence of really good tv at the moment, 24, galatica, heroes, boston legal, house and lost are the only things i watch regulary. Please CW dont wipe VM off that list. It's an awesome show and deserves to continue.
Last night: 1.6 rating, 2 share, per Mediaweek.com by Pennsy	May 2nd, 2007 08:54:41 AM
Ghastly. :( :(
This is the Veronica I know and love... by Mr. Profit	May 2nd, 2007 08:56:28 AM
Episode was great. I liked the forshadowing of the potential FBI Season during her talk to the school kids. All of the characters were utilized properly. The smart ass comments were good. The Iraqi thing bordered on a bit After School Special but I didn't mind it. And the ending was great. I thought I'd hate Veronica and Piz but it makes sense. Especially since Veronica was feeling nice after taking that shot in the elevator.
And the Piz thing won't last... by Mr. Profit	May 2nd, 2007 09:06:38 AM
Because he was cast in the Grey's Anatomy Spin Off "Private Practice" also the title of the final VMars episode of this season (Series?) is called "The Bitch Is Back".
Veronica should not be cancelled. by Ellipsian	May 2nd, 2007 12:36:40 PM
That we know. But should The CW require some kind of change, they should forward the series to V's FBI years, write in as much of the cast as possible, and (naturally) keep Rob Thomas in charge. Most importantly, they should alter the look/name of the show, in order to attract new viewers and make it seem new to lure in the closed-minded morons who won't watch now. Win-win-win. That's what she said.
The Bitch is Back by Fabulous Freak	May 2nd, 2007 12:40:10 PM
Maybe Logans mom comes back. That was never really concluded.
what about VM teevee movies? by Trader Groucho 2	May 2nd, 2007 03:40:00 PM
Do a set of three or four two-hour movies. You producer/network guys listening? A snarky, young, female, HOT Columbo.
You guys liked this one? by OfficiousG	May 2nd, 2007 05:38:00 PM
"Oh no, racist graffiti!" "[lecture on how racism is bad]" "Oh no, underage drinking!" "[lecture on how underage drinking is bad]" "The Muslim girl is sneaking around with a Jewish guy!" "[lecture on how her parents should be tolerant]" "The graffiti kid has a brother who got hurt in the war!" "[lecture]" "Some other kid was exercising freedom of speech to express unpopular ideas!" "[lecture]"
For the "B" in The B is Back, how about... by Pennsy	May 2nd, 2007 09:16:57 PM
Madison Sinclair, dooshbag deluxe; Nish, the editor of the Hearst College newspaper before she was sacked by Dean O'Dell who butted heads with V on the campus rapes - or Lianne Mars. Veronica's mother. All of whom she'd call bitch. I can't think of any other ones.
Officious G by topaz4206	May 3rd, 2007 03:56:34 AM
Yes it did feel like a 42-minute "The More You Know," but there was still enough VM-goodness to make it recommendable. I do hope this is not a trend, however.
Great episode by optimus122	May 3rd, 2007 04:24:26 AM
Too bad the ratings weren't that good but how could they be going up against HOUSE.
something else for network programmers and prodcos to by Trader Groucho 2	May 3rd, 2007 05:32:12 AM
consider. They sell these shows in foreign markets and do make some money there. How is VM doing o'seas? On DVD??? I don't know, that's why I'm asking. Here's something interesting from the Hollywood Reporter though: http://tinyurl.com/3bl85c
The canceled Pussycat Dolls for this? by _Maltheus_	May 3rd, 2007 10:21:18 AM
Actually, I'm not quite sure what a Pussycat Doll is. This wasn't the best episode, but it was nice to see some old characters back in action. The Piz thing is stupid and I hope it ends before the season does (it probably will). I'm actually not too keen on the FBI flash forward thing. Veronica is best when she's unrestrained. I kind of like the notion, implied by this ep, that she might take over the agency. Yeah, it might be beneath her, but surely someone with her investigatory skills, could find a few good investments to make up for the low paying job.
And yet, rating upto 50% more than Battlestar. by Shan	May 3rd, 2007 10:48:08 AM
Why is it that all the shows that I like when you add up all the ratings would be lucky to equal half that of any mainstream show I don't watch (because they're an unoriginal retread comedy/drama/other) - on a bad day?

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