oh I'm gonna be high all day...

He doesn't speak at all, he talks through the radio….which sounds really lame, and is really lame for the first couple times but then it stopped bothering me and became kinda funny (intentionally)

oh dear. The classic admit to something everyone already knew was shit to try to fool people into thinking that you are not a plant. Sort of like the sentinel thing the plants came out with in X3 reviews last year.

to say that just proves you're a fucking plant.

and i'll say flames are cool with an added "motherfuckers" and "biatches" on top. Read the first bit and the last bit, wanna see the whole movie fairly spoiler free. Sweet. And fuck all yo haters.

// normally i'm quite a productive member of society

wow. Violence and being rude on the anonymous internet- we can all do it and it doesn't make you a fucking hero.

Honestly, this guys "review" didn't bring any new information abou this film or what happens in it than what we have already seen in trailers and clips, or through interviews and the like from Bay, LeBouf, and others in this film.

This "review" doesn't make me want to see this film anymore than I already don't and infact it just confirms that this is utter crap.

Every single detail this guy "gave" to us is something that has already appeared in trailers or clips. It reads like a review of everything we have seen or heard so far and I can't tell you how this can even qualify as a review.

It's not.

This really is not a review of the film.

Also, I know people are complaining about the cloud galactus. I get that... but, think about how much time is left before that film comes out. How easy would it be for Tim Story or Avi Arad to look at the negative feedback of people here and say to themselves, "Galactus as a cloud might hurt box office. We should change that." Give it a week for character design, and modeling, another week for rigging, and then about three weeks for animation for the minute or so Galactus "appears" in the film and so long as renders started a week after animation began they would be done with plenty of time to make the release date. Even if the novel says cloud, it might be altered given the poor response.

I say might, because if there is one thing I've learned while working in this business it's that no one in the industry has the balls to actually fix an issue that could adversly affect a film.

I think this is mostly because the reaction is like your girlfriend's reaction when you ask her to take it in the butt. She (people) get pissed that you would even suggest that they accept this proposition, but then a few days later when you ask again she sighs and tells you to use plenty of lube as she takes off her clothes.

I wish people would be strong enough to stand by their first, "fuck no that won't fly" ideals. If we did that then maybe the film industry would start listening.

However, back to this review it feels fake.

Schweeeeeeeeet!!

New AICN catchphrase anyone?

2)deliberate mangling of english- note the misspelling of Role, the missed apostrophe,and the atrocious grammar: "this plays a key roll in the film but I wont ruin it with detail spoilers".

3)pathetic attempt to establish TB history: "FIRST, BITCHES! (never been able to say that before :)"

WTF?: "I consider myself a mid-core TF fan"

basically I can do this for ages- STUDIOS you get a D- for this review: MUST TRY HARDER

just look through the review, there is plant tag after plant tag, almost one a line.

The point is that they think as we post on-line we are utterly incapable of writing, and have nothing more than a binary vocabulary. The mangled English is a sign of a true plant.

If he is not a plant, then he is 12.

In fact "The boxy designs from the cartoons simply would not have worked, they would have looked stupid and old." Is almost straight off www.suckmurphysfatnob.com.

Also, the stylistic problems are inconsistent- if you have no clue how to write you do not suddenly produce perfect English and then produce crap again.

RINO- reviewer in name only

Fuck's sake, maybe I am a plant.

what's wrong with you?

C'mon LP, nasty Kathy Bates is like Salma Hayek...except nasty.

Salma is a goddess, no ifs ands or buts about it. Kathy is a loch ness (monster).

dude's not here. plant.

not only do I call BULLSHIT...I also call SHENANIGANS!

this "review" is a hoax.

please

thank you

please tell me what you're smoking, so I can make sure to stay away from it.

I fear however it's in favor of the haters! All you Bay fluffers can keep suckin it!

Garthimus, you shouldn't be able to type with your lips wrapped around Bay's coke numbed member, cup the balls junior!

I liked it, but it wasn't great, it seemed like a slightly better than mediocre rip off of logans run

Bad Boys II (2003)

I loved this movie!!!

Pearl Harbor (2001)

Super gay movie, I hated it

Armageddon (1998/I)

I really didn't like this movie at all

The Rock (1996)

The Rock is a rock solid movie full of awesomeness. I heart this movie

Bad Boys (1995)

Really Good movie, I liked it alot!!!!!

I declare May 4... SHINY.

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What the fuck is wrong with you? There might some other more important shit in the world than Michael Bay and Transformers. And the He-Man quote? What the fuck? TF fuckin ownz He-Man.

Muthafuckin Thundercats ownz He-Man too. Seriously, when are we getting a movie about man-cats and the eye of Thundera??? Who's gonna play the hot Cheetah?

and personally if I go in expecting a movie to be supercalafragalistickly fantastic, I generally end up being disapointed. But if I go in expecting the movie to kinda suck, I wind up actually liking the movie. I know I can't be the only one that happens to. As for Michael Bay, I'd say %78 percent of his movies rock the party that rocks the party. So until we actually watch this movie for ourselves, who knows what wonderful or sucktacularness we will be presented with. Forget about the review above. Have patience. Also, I don't see what some people have against Shia, I think he's a decent actor, and I like most of his films a whole lot. Holes-Awesome movie, great for kids, families, maybe even a good date movie. Battle of Shaker Heights- Fantastic, I heart that movie. The Greatest Game Ever Played- Really decent Flick. I,Robot-Not half bad. Constantine-I Loved it, wish Shia had had a bigger part.

From a cornucopia of allegedly bad decisions, the only gripe is Optimus's lips? Nothing else? Not even a mention of Joe Don Baker or Dane Cook? Shit, even my most favorite movies have flaws in them that I can describe in some margin of detail. This review is awful. Just awful.

I can understand the studio (or whomever is responsible for this totally whacked review) believing general audiences to be naive at best, but AICN TalkBack? Not even the heavy-handed FF bashing could save this review from cries of "PLANT!"

Does Megs refer to Optimus as merely "Prime"...?

Oh, I know... early screening and all. They must still be working on it. Besides, diehard fans of the series would be much more interested in knowing of teasers such as his "sword arm" instead of him actually reciting some of the classic stuff. ::eyeroll::

did Ganymede2010 write that review?

did Ganymede2010 write that review?

I'm surprised he didn't just go ahead and say "What I really liked was the design of 'Mega Tron', much better than it looked on paper - you have to see it on the big screen to really appreciate how good it is." Or maybe "There was one thing I disliked - too much time spent showing massive robots fighting, not enough time spent showing Shia's problems at home".

In conclusion, this movie sounds like a Bit Torrent for curiosity's sake.

I'm sure the likes of Smart Shopper and Superninja wholeheartedly agree

My left arm Dick Nicely is also missing.

I offer rewards

((Not that I have a problem with that. I kinda dig the wider carriage and Meganless Foxless nonsmoking baggage that comes with it.))

"Fantastic Four 2: TOO SILVER!" with a pic of the FF insignia (the 4 in a circle)

or a shirt that says nothing but

"This is gonna be better than two 15-yr old fat kids bumping chests!" with an Autobot insignia.

1. Smallville

2. Supernatural

3. October Road

4. Jericho

5. Heroes

6. Criminal Minds

7. Friday Night Lights

8. Dead Zone

9. 4400

When Does Battlestar Galactica start it's next season>? I heard it was some time in 2008

Headin' home. Have a good one, gents!

MCMLXXVI makes a lot less noise on this site with his one-line posts than you did with your ridiculously defensive post. Out of curiosity, how does "a comic book hero" really differ from a cartoon figure anyway? Is it the animation that draws the line?

You know what, don't answer. That was a rhetorical question and you are supposed to see the irony in it, but I figure I'd need to explain it to someone as dense as yourself. Just sit back, shut up, and enjoy your "mindless" movie. I do the same when I read "mindless" posts like yours.

Oh wait, I forgot you can't because the Wizaard's a big phoney.

Hey look everybody, this guy's a big phoney!

What?!

1) It doesn't sound like this guy is a plant to me. He covers more than enough to at least make it seem like he actually saw a rough cut. Then again since this is AICN which is SUPPOSED to be a hip and plugged-in outlet for putting out news for things that transpire behind the scenes in Hollywood, the obvious way to answer IF he's a plant is to simply determine IF a test screening did in fact take place where and when he said it did -- that is, versus the so-called FF2: RISE screening in Seattle that AICN posted about, but which turned out never to have even occured.

2) As for people saying "He's a plant since he can't be 28 given the way he writes and talks", all I can say is you don't get out enough. That's nothing to go by. This is rather sad to say -- and certainly makes for a side political debate on education and whatnot -- but solid writing AND speaking skills really are becoming a lost art. Then again, speaking as someone in an age group rather older than 28 (which I suppose begins to make me a cranky old man) I blame it on the fact that younger generations have actually come to believe that something like "IB 4 UR LUV" is proper English or a complete sentence and THAT'S how you're supposed to write or talk. And yes, the current trend towards using your cell phone and texting your friends isn't helping the world's IQ levels either.

Which frankly, I've never understood anyway. I mean, you're LITERALLY hold a fucking cell phone. You decide you want to say something to your friend. So why the hell don't you simply CALL them and talk to them since that's the whole POINT to having a mobile phone or leave a voice message if they're not there to answer as opposed to leaving some ass backwards, horrendously spelled message that needs the NSA to decode it? Ahh, I guess I am becoming a cranky old man.

3) The people who are already hating this and calling it TINO seriously need to realize something. That's really a bullshit term that only refers to YOU. This may be akin to Hiro at the conclusion of last week's HEROES facing his future self, but here's another truth many of you are just going to HAVE to accept, whether you want to or not. The TRANSFORMERS you knew and grew up with are gone. Not here. Vamoosh! Buh-bye! YOUR cartoons are a thing of the past, YOUR toys a thing of the past. TODAY'S kids -- you know, the one's this movie really is aimed, the ones that a zillion merchandising tie-ins are targeted at -- will see this and they will ideally take this to be THEIR Transformers, with its own NEW mythology and NEW looks for THEIR generation. Or at least that's the hope of Speilberg, Bay and the zillion licensing merchandisers who are backing this.

So the total irony here is you have OLDER geeks...people who have clearly grown up from their childhoods (you know, the Lucas raped generation)...who want to label this thing "TINO", yet the irony is the kids who will flock to see this on July 4gth will fold their arms across their chests and stand defiant and tell you afterwards "No, buddy, YOUR version is the TINO. YOUR old version is Transformers in name only. This movie I'm going to see over and over again? These new kick ass toys I'm racing out to buy? THIS is Transformers. Deal with it."

Which is why I say TINO is a bullshit term -- it's only relative if you're an older person who just can't deal with the idea that time has marched on here and a new incarnation is about to take over. By pure logic, its "in name only" only to those of you who won't let go.

All that said, do I think the movie will be good? Well, it's got Speilberg and Bay and ILM and a zillion dollar production budget behind it. So it was made at an A plus level. It's got a fun concept and based on the trailers and such, it looks like some great doofy summertime fun at the movies. Then again this is a case where I'm in sync with some things that Moriarity has stated in the past. I'm not some uber diehard fan of the old cartoons. Did I ever seem or buy a toy or two way back when? Sure, but then I moved on. So I'm going to this expecting to see robots that can transform into things who then battle each other and cause a shitload of mayhem onscreen courtesy of modern SFX wizardry. So right now I'd say its a pretty good bet that's what I'm going to get, which means it probably will be a fun 10 bucks spent to simply get out of the house when it's like 100 degrees out in the midst of the summer.

And yes, when it comes to movies like this, it really IS as simple as that...

Do you consider the origin of the Transformers program important? It doesn't seem to have had a negative effect on your appreciation for the program. I have never seen any of the cartoons or the movie. I have absolutely no experience withe the Transformers. this was not by intent, it just never came to be. There's only so many hours in each day, and I was not a kid when TF came out, so I don't think I was the intended audience anyway.

I have always been interested in the way certain products or franchises began. My understanding is that TF began as a toy line and Hasbro saw a TV program as an ideal way to promote the toys. I don't necessarily think that's any more or less legitimate than a great novel that came about as a serial in a crappy newspaper or magazine, say for instance some of the works of Dickens. He just kept cranking out installments because he got paid by the piece. It so happened that he was a ridiculously talented writer. With the Transformers, obviously the characters and the mythos have taken on a life of their own, and that's what the fans appreciate.

In the same way people can identify the themes in Star Wars that grabbed them and continue to keep ahold of them, what are the themes in Transformers that hooked you? Or was it just the idea of giant robots come to Earth that can disguise themselves as common place things like cars and trucks? I dig that you feel the TF movie seems to have shown some disrespect for the source material, but what if the filmmakers have managed to capture the core values that attracted you to the show in the first place? Isn't it unfair to judge a film before you've seen it?

I realize that Michael Bay is a known quantity, and once his name is on a film, we pretty much know what to expect. However, Spielberg is riding shotgun on this one, so I think the movie deserves the benefit of the doubt. But that's just me.

I am looking forward to this film for a very specific reason. The idea of giant robots beating the crap out of each other and everything in site is too much to resist. Since I don't have any attachment to the Transformers, I'm only looking for giant feckin' robots in 5.1 with killer CGI and explosions and so on. I don't think that's a bad thing. And if it's TINO, then I am not any the wiser. I realize that it if the film shits all over the details of the characters you love that it will be difficult for you to enjoy the film, but what if you just approached it as Giant Feckin' Robots Fightin' and Rampagin' and go along with it? It might not be so bad.

I am sympathetic to you disappointment at Bay having fucked with something you cherish, but that's the name of the game in the film industry. That's something we all have to deal with.

Novels that came out as paperback originals weren't real books. Science fiction was in the ghetto of the written word. Comic books...comic books!?! You mean those flimsy little things that advertise x-ray specs and sea monkeys? Why do parents allow their kids to read that crap...if you want to call it reading.

Those arguments are all very familiar...and complete bullshit. So I disagree with you that Transformers is not legit because it started as a creation of Hasbro. The characters and stories connected with people regardless. It never reached me, but that doesn't mean I don't respect that other people may love the stuff.

And before we start knocking one man's art form, try to remember that movies were considered rubbish, a distraction, a waste of time and money, compared to fine and proper pursuits, like lietrature and wife beating.

ps. please remove the lips..thats my only complaint

Anyways, flames on optimus=lips on optimus and I hate that Bumblebee speaks like the love bug. Stupid script writers!!!! (Who is the genius that came up with that one?). Megatron doesn't get an earth form?? I hate this movie.

See you haters there on July 4th. I'll be first in line.

And more power to the righteous who are bitching about a movie that is hardly based on a comic, cartoon, or toy line. You have all kinds of basis for any of the bitching. If it was a movie that was being made on something like a cherished claymation hero, I'd be against you. If was a movie based on a legendary novel, I'd be stabbing your back. But this is a movie based on a cartoon that was based on fucking LEGENDS! So all you minutemen look like heroes. This movie is going to be 100% mindless drfek just like the Phantom Menace. Nothing more. It's droids hovering the fuck over oil slicks. That's it. Nothing worthwhile or mysterious about it. You can take your argument about the wasted opportunity and butt fuck your Bay effigies in fanboy jihad while you download the movie. We all know though that most of you who are whining will have your ass planted in a theater seat in some other show on opening day and will love each and every minute of thinking about live action robots kicking ass in your dreams the way they should have. You will come here on here even here after here where we're here in here where we're all together here after seeing it and even if you think you may have liked it you will complain about sparing precious minutes of your life but deep down you will have loved every single minute spared and nothing you can say will make me think otherwise. Get over it, it's a pretentious movie hardly based on a toy line and it's going to own retards on July 4th.

The movie is going to make buckets of money from children who want to see giant robots, and from adults who also want to see giant robots, and from the majority of that minority who already has decided they hate the film.

Could Bay have respected the source material more? I have no fucking idea. I am vaguely aware of Transformers in my childhood and could care less about all the issues that people have brought up here. Other than Megatron looking like a giant vagina, I really have no beef with any of it.

What is absolutely hilarious is the amount of bitching and moaning that is being done over a giant robot movie which will ultimately have no effect on the finished product. I respect the reverence with which many of you hold Transformers, but as Oz said, it's time to move on. A sizable majority of the population sees the Transformers as nothing more than a toy line that was made into a cartoon. The fact that there is actual canon out there is not common knowledge to most people. And I don't think many people are going to jump on that bandwagon anytime soon.

I can almost promise you though, that this review will probably be pretty much what John Q. Public thinks of the movie if it is how he described.
I will say, continue the bitching and keep the internet explosion alive. I swear someone should make a documentary from the fanboy perspective of the making of this movie. It would probably be the most fascinating film of our generation.

Number one: WE DO NOT TALK LIKE THAT. I have never heard someone say "kickassery" or "go all Michael Bay" or, within reviews themselves, say "FIRST!!!"

Second, what does this review tell us? Nothing. It tells us that a lot of the original script was preserved, which is a bad thing, I think. It also tells us that the CGI looks incredibly realistic. But this is ILM, right? I'd kind of assume they'd take care of such a "minor detail." It also tells us that there is a lot of kick ass action. Regardless of what you think of Michael Bay, action is one thing he knows how to do very well, and so yet again, there is nothing new there. We knew it was going to have good action sequences.

Early in the review, this person mentions a fight scene and the way it was "shot." Well, "shot" is not the right word: "edited" is the right word. As an editor, I am very familiar with Michael Bay's editing style, and once again ... no new information. In other words, this review is spoiler free because the studio employee who wrote the review was told not to spoil anything. And so we get what we knew already, along with a lot of "talking like the talkbackers" to make us think this abomination is legitimate.

Lastly: If you, the plant, were paid to write this, then please, whoever is your boss, tell them to please pick up a copy of the Chicago Manual of Style. Then, please cram it down your own throat. As an amateur writer (I have not been published yet), I resent people writing the way you do and then getting paid for it.

Next time, Studio Folks, do a better job than this.

My wife and I lament about moving away from Boston. The drinking-ist city in the world. Fenway was the shit!

And why do these tools keep coming in here asking what TINO means and what the "precious" canon consists of? Haven't all of us had this conversation/debate several times now already? I have at least four times prior to this talkback myself. I grow tired of reiterating what the core story line was & could have been and thus I do not reply to such requests.

Revel in Hollywood's mediocrity and continue to call me an elitist. I prefer to be entertained/stimulated instead of pandered to. Clearly that is too much to ask. This could have been stellar on all accounts. Now it's merely a SFX presentation. I have a right, just like all of you out there, to my opinions and preferences.

Superninja said it best. Bay is an anti-intellectual.

Fenway defines atmosphere (in the since of stadium baseball that is) in my honest opinion. Got some pretty sweet seats more often than not since the company I worked for had nice "benefits" and my boss didn't like baseball. Sucker. My wife and I snatched those tickets everytime they were offered. Saw the All-Stars game there too. I'd say we partook in Fenway about 20-30 times during our four years there. Good memories of Tightness.

Anyway, that sock was not painted. The audacity of some people.

Reminds me of the fake trailers on ebaumsworld...great stuff!

messi, you said "maybe in the future a children of men will be the box office winner". Children of Men is the 'future', mate :)

wh oops. I rarely visit seiberton.com, but it seems as if there's quite a bit of disdain over there as well. Probably not news to you guys. I hope Bay doesn't get "hand picked" for the sequels.....

So I don't get some of these people around here who are seemingly in denial. I don't get some of you who are trying to claim that no one wants to see this because its a Michael Bay summer movie where a ton of shit goes boom (frankly I think that's exactly what a large segment of the population DOES want to get out of the house and see in the heat of the summer, but that's a whole other debate) or are claiming that no one will want to see this because its been TINO-ized. This was like the third time I've seen the trailer in a theater and every time people go totally nuts for it.

Other than POTC3, I'm going to guess that TF will have the biggest opening of the year by far, if not set an all new opening record. Based on just the trailer's reaction it's clear that a lot of people are looking forward to this thing and making it their Fourth of July/holiday movie out. I think there's no denying at this point that this thing is gonna be huge no matter how much the naysayers try to bag on it in advance.

I remember seeing a trailer for Unforgiven before watching Alien3 when I was a teen. People cheered when Clint turned around for the first time. I doubt TINO will have the lasting impact Unforgiven did. But what do I know, I'm just an elitist asshole who doesn't appreciate being pandered to.

Did any 15 year old tubbies do a chest bump?

Besides your argument about TF not having any lasting impact is certainly more half-assed considering the movie hasn't even come out yet. Safe to say, it's a little hard to judge what "impact" any movie will have until well after its actually been out and time has passed. Which brings up a whole other point: what if TF is NOT Citizen Kane in terms of story, but IS simply a revolutionary kick-ass ride that influences an entire new generation of younger kids and makes them want to get into movies or into special effects work or into science or robotics or whatever? What qualifies as having more "lasting impact" then? The movie that simply left a nice memory on you because you thought its dramatics were good OR the movie that actually got kids so excited and pumped up that it actually motivated them down the road?

Just to make it so that all the old crew were here on the same day... I'm poting.

Now, I've been thinking. Maybe this is a real review and maybe this guy isn't a plant per say, but I do think he is a complete moron and a liar. I don't believe he was even remotely a fan of the original Transformers, and I don't think he would be able to tell a good movie from the hole in his ass.

I think fans have certain expectations for films of this nature and more and more studios are looking at that and just casting it aside. The entire Transformers Movie, the making Galactus a cloud, and Just down right ignoring nearly 90% of the core characters from which these films are being made. Eventually, this is going to backfire and a studio will loose big.

Unfortunatly it means that "comic book" films like this are going to suffer or go away instead of the studios looking back at their mistakes and learning from them.

What can you do...

If TINO motivates children to get into the industry, hopefully they will not follow Bay's formula and actually create.

You know, I hate to break this concept to you, but making an observation on how something was in the past against how it is in the modern day would be the very DEFINITION of "comparing."

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Ganymede, here's one for you- Make sure to take the space out of the URL.

http://www.zazzle.com/product/ 235570361966912093

And yeah, I'm only doing this for the ridiculous fun of it. I'm not even buying one of these, so I certainly don't expect anyone else would actually spend their cash on it.

as for "no one listening to me", i could give a fuck. but it seems like i have a fan in you...youve seemed to have read every post ive ever made on here, enough to draw a conclusion about me anyway. i'm gonna start calling you my #1 Fan. so continue to hate me and live you're sad lonely life, crying over flames and screaming TINO like a trained circus idiot. life must suck when youve forgotten how to have fun.

The story, while no where near as deep as the book, and cliched beyond belief, hits all the right notes for the standard brain-free summer fun that Spielberg excels at.

Transformers misses out on that in trying to make the Transformers look so realistic, that they loose their humanity. Yes, I realize they are big walking alien robots, but the success of the toys and cartoons owed alot to how organic and humane the robots were, and that is something the script and Michael Bay in general lacks.

I understand that pure blocky transformers wouldn't work, but they could have done it Alternators style, and still have some substance, rather than wires and gears hanging out all over the place.

I could defeat Optimus just with a well placed wrench and screwdriver!

Now, he is insanely successful for a myriad of reasons and I am not ignorant to that. I saw Bad Boys and The Rock and didn't like either of them. I have not seen one of his films since. None have appealed to me and those two I mentioned "burned" me. Still not trying to start shit. I am not setting you up for a flame attack. I am honestly asking for your perspective. Film fan to film fan.

Thats the cool thing about film to me - there's something for everyone. I appreciate your thoughts if you feel so inclined.

The site also mentioned that there was no confirmation that Harley Quinn, the character Gellar was rumored to be playing, would even be in the script.

JoBlo continued on to say that we could expect another female cast member to be announced shortly, but gave no mention as to who that could be."

Hey, in all honesty, thanks for sharing. I appreciate it. Be well.

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I feel that people are easily misled by trailers, flashy SFX, and loud, obnoxious noise. Perhaps not misled, perhaps that's all most people want to see. I hear a lot of "I just want to turn my brain off when I watch a movie". Ugh. I personally like a strong story, substance, maybe a little allegory if appropo, and characters I care about. If I don't care about the characters, then why should I watch a film. Clearly we all have differing views of what is art and what isn't. Yes, I know I am an extreme minority. Box office numbers don't lie and further proves my point which I don't have in some people's eyes. Bay's movies only offer big, loud action. I want more.