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by tomthumbstallywhacker
Apr 27th, 2007
10:59:34 AM
Bitches!
Um Merrick ... it's Deckard
by TheAFLACDuck
Apr 27th, 2007
11:00:07 AM
Come'on now! ;)
OMG
by Uridium
Apr 27th, 2007
11:00:11 AM
A mega DVD of Bladerunner, my all time fave film. I am keeping my ear to the ground on this one!
first
by sfgeek
Apr 27th, 2007
11:00:24 AM
not a big talkbacker, but first
It's not what it's cracked up to be.
by tomthumbstallywhacker
Apr 27th, 2007
11:00:32 AM
I immediately hated myself, and I apologise.
so it's okay for for Ridley Scott, but not Lucas?
by filmicdrummer17
Apr 27th, 2007
11:01:21 AM
Where are the purists?
ima dork
by sfgeek
Apr 27th, 2007
11:02:17 AM
welll, that is it for me having an ego. But in all seriousness, Bladerunner is the best Philip K. Dick adaptation, even though it is not a very accurate adaptation. Regardless, it remains one of my all time favorite SF films and I can't wait for the reshoot. Also, as an added tidbit, Olmos' best role ever, until Adama came around.
Ugh! Youtube is unwatchable in long form.
by BrowncoatJedi
Apr 27th, 2007
11:04:10 AM
Google should be ashamed of itself about the low quality.
Isn't this about 26 days late?
by epitone
Apr 27th, 2007
11:04:23 AM
I mean... um, Joanna Cassidy is 62 now. Of everyone in that movie, I bet only Sean Young looks remotely similar.
FIRST!
by fimano
Apr 27th, 2007
11:05:10 AM
FIRST!
How will they get around the age difference?
by tomthumbstallywhacker
Apr 27th, 2007
11:05:43 AM
The de-ageing in X3 was interesting, but I thought it gave the actors a weird airbrushed Vogue-cover look.
sfgeek
by kwisatzhaderach
Apr 27th, 2007
11:08:17 AM
olmos' performance in blade runner shits all over his performance in galactica.
"This Year's 'Blade Runner!'" - Earl Dittman
by Earl Dittman
Apr 27th, 2007
11:08:35 AM
Earl Dittman, Wireless Magazine
why don't they
by Lane
Apr 27th, 2007
11:12:19 AM
take out the music while they're at it.
Zhora shoots first!
by Shoegeezer
Apr 27th, 2007
11:14:27 AM
Can't they just let Harrison Ford's killing of other characters alone? Are they going to CGI a couple of guns onto the sword guy from Raiders?
The greatest sci-fi film ever is finally getting the...
by rbatty024
Apr 27th, 2007
11:17:17 AM
treatment it deserves. I rarely fall for the double dip trap, but I already own the vhs director's cut and the DVD director's cut, so long as they make this worthwhile (and it sounds like they are) I'll be pumping more money into their grubby hands. It's the film that keeps on giving.
I'm satisfied with the director's cut
by Demosthenes2
Apr 27th, 2007
11:17:27 AM
Just as with the Star Wars re-releases, adding new scenes to a twenty-five-year-old movie is just distracting. The new scenes are jarring and stick out like a sore thumb. Movies should reflect the time in which they were made, including the effects because it's interesting to see where effects technology was at the time from a historical perspective. Plus we associate the aesthetic of the film with the styles of the 80s, so you want to stay true to that. Besides, twenty years from now, effects will be even more advanced, so why bother updating it if it's eventually going to look aged anyway? Unless the studio forced creative decisions against the director's will, the directors should just move on and learn from any mistakes they feel they made. If they keep tweaking it, I doubt they'll ever feel satisfied.
Age Difference Will Show, No Matter...
by KosherWookie
Apr 27th, 2007
11:18:12 AM
...How they try to hide it. What Exactly are they going to change, anyway? Is she gonna break her hip on the way down in this version?
Please, PLEASE include the theatrical release version!
by anchorite
Apr 27th, 2007
11:18:29 AM
I am so sick of not having the Deckard narration and having to deal with the unicorn dream shit and Deckard being a Replicant.

Say what you will about me; I preferred the theatrical release version and covet my non-Director's Cut Laserdisc.

I have bemoaned the lack of that version on DVD for years. If they go to all the trouble to re-shoot scenes and fix FX gaffes, can they at least give Blade Runner fans like me a little love? It's one of my top fave films of all time. One of the most visually stunning and influencial films of all time. It still holds up - in fact, I think it looks better than the Star Wars prequels, which never managed to overcome their bloated CGI budget, which lent them an overly-polished, almost cartoonish look.

Blade Runner looked REAL. I could see San Francisco looking just like that in the future. Brilliant film. I hope they don't screw it up!
Shia LeBoeuf is a replicant
by kafka07
Apr 27th, 2007
11:19:06 AM
And yes Ridley Scott can do this and not Georgey Lucas; besides, they're not adding that many changes to the film when you compare to how Lucas raped his first trilogy. And 'Decker' is looking his age these days, proof that he's not a replicant.
So is Deckard a replicant?
by trombone
Apr 27th, 2007
11:20:50 AM
I thought the whole movie would fall apart if he were. The point is that these "fake-men" are more human than the "real man". And they serve as Deckard's retribution--he goes from being an android hunter to--at the end of the "director's cut" the one that is trying to save a life. Gosh that film is fantastic. I will also DEFINITELY be shelling it out.
anchorite
by Merrick
Apr 27th, 2007
11:21:12 AM
If I recall correctly, the original (i.e. WITH narration) version *will* be included, along with the subsequent "Director's Cut", this new version, and (as I understand it) there's talk of including a very early cut of the film. Don't know that they've actually decided to do so.
I'm sure her breasts look just as good 25 yrs later
by Rupee88
Apr 27th, 2007
11:22:29 AM
This sounds dumb and why would they even reshoot her scenes to begin with? I don't remember anything especially wrong with them...probably just a gimmick to get some media attention and sell DVDs.
Hang on
by iamjacksleftball
Apr 27th, 2007
11:24:47 AM
This kooky lady sells tape of her own laugh for $4.99?? HAHAHAHAHA - You owe me 50 bucks right there..
It's Zhora, not Zorah
by Shan
Apr 27th, 2007
11:25:18 AM
... as correctly stated in a previous post. In an added bit of trivia, did you know that Joanna Cassidy provided her own snake for the movie.
Finally it will be as Ridley Scott always imagined it
by Vern
Apr 27th, 2007
11:26:41 AM
with the ages of the characters changing back and forth by 20 years. That's how he originally envisioned the robots to age.

I'm not sure why we're supposed to be excited about this. I mean BLADE RUNNER isn't as sacred to me as you guys (it's no ALIEN), but isn't the whole reason we're even talking about it now that people like the movie already? So doesn't it stand to reason they should just release the old theatrical version on DVD like peoiple want?

Also, has there ever been a rejiggering like this that went over well? ALIEN 3 is the only one I can think of, and that's because everyone admits it's a flawed film to begin with. NIGHT OF THE LIVING DEAD is widely hated, STAR WARS TRILOGY is still making people cry, maybe SUPERMAN 2 DIRECTOR OF GOONIES CUT but I haven't heard much about that since it came out.

?
by Shan
Apr 27th, 2007
11:26:49 AM
+ ?.
Stunt woman used in '82 for glass crash. Not Cassidy
by Herman Snerd
Apr 27th, 2007
11:28:23 AM
The re-shoot most likely would be for the crash thru the glass and the dead Zorah on the ground. A stunt woman was used originally and does not look like Cassidy. Re-shoot could be via green screen, for safety, and cgi glass. Also the 3-D photo of Zorah that Decakrd analyzes in his computer is not Cassidy either. So a photo replacement of her, aged younger, could be done as well.
trombone is really Ridley Scott
by kafka07
Apr 27th, 2007
11:28:36 AM
"I will also DEFINITELY be shelling it out." Come on, that was an undercover shameless plug.
Kermode is da bomb
by Fried Gold
Apr 27th, 2007
11:28:39 AM
I've been recommending that doc for ages.
JUST ADDED THIS INTO ARTICLE...
by Merrick
Apr 27th, 2007
11:30:32 AM
...but in case you missed it earlier: http://tinyurl.com/38hc22
Any idea if....
by Dimpy
Apr 27th, 2007
11:34:29 AM
... the "new Director's cut" will include the missing scene where Deckard visits Holden in hospital..? And will the lip synching in the Animoid Row section be cleaned up?
Whats next John Candy reshooting deleted parts of
by Chiziola79
Apr 27th, 2007
11:35:18 AM
Uncle Buck where he bangs the whore neighbour and the stuck up daughter, I know hes worm food but if weta can create king kong then they can make a fat man fuck bitches
the real Oscar Wilde
by kafka07
Apr 27th, 2007
11:36:57 AM
would have liked the theatrical release best. Anything else is plebeian.
P.s She should be in a nursing home rather
by Chiziola79
Apr 27th, 2007
11:38:34 AM
than trying to recapture her past glory, she looks like Mr Burns now, Ill send her a tape of my laughing at her trying to play a 25 year old age 70 for free the sad old cow
As Herman Snerd said...
by The Real McCoy
Apr 27th, 2007
11:38:59 AM
...the reshoot has gotta be for the very distracting and very obvious stuntwoman crashing through the planes of glass. I'm excited at the prospect that they're paying this much attention to the new DVD. Does that mean we get a correct audio track with the correct number of replicants spoken by Bryant? As for the Lucas/Scott question - most of us Blade Runner fans never liked the original theatrical version anyway. We had to bitch and moan for years for our director's cut. I'm happy to see a new version that cleans up this near perfect film and brings it even closer to perfection.
Kafka07
by trombone
Apr 27th, 2007
11:42:39 AM
and while I'm at it I'll pick up 10 copies of Alien, 20 copies of Gladiator and 20 copies of Kingdom of Heaven. Seriously, is Deckard a replicant? It really doesn't make sense. If he's a replicant, then NO life in the movie is worth anything.
Did Indy just murder that nice woman, daddy?
by -guyinthebackrow
Apr 27th, 2007
11:44:07 AM
Yes, son. Yes, he did.
Vern
by TheContinentalOp
Apr 27th, 2007
11:45:32 AM
The special edition of Star Trek: The Motion Picture is actually an improvement over the theatrical cut, which, thanks to a limited effects schedule, was pretty much just the Enterprise boldly floating in front of a psychedelic screensaver for 2 1/2 hours. As for the Donner Cut of Superman II, it managed to be much ado about not a whole hell of a lot. I love Donner, but it's pretty much the same movie, only with a few different (and not necessarily better) scenes.
Haven't seen the version with Ford's narration, but...
by Chief Redcock
Apr 27th, 2007
11:47:50 AM
...Ridley Scott's director's cut is about as close to filmic perfection as a film can get. Honestly, there is nothing wrong with that film, NOTHING... it is absolutely friggin' perfect. Nothing needs to be added or tinkered with... we don't need new, more "modern" f/x or to replace the matt paintings. EVERYTHING WORKS. The movie is never for a SECOND unconvincing... and Blade Runner is one of the few films in the history of cinema that you can say that about. LEAVE IT THE FUCK ALONE.
Here's some old news
by HeWhoCannotBeNamed
Apr 27th, 2007
11:51:20 AM
but I thought there was supposedly a fourth version as well. Additionally, I thought they were going to stagger the releases, milk-maid style, and then release some massive ultimate six disc boxed set. Anyone else here this? below is some old news

Warner Home Video will issue a new remastered director's cut of the classic SF movie Blade Runner in September now that it has cleared up rights issues, followed by a theatrical release of a version promised to be truly director Ridley Scott's final cut, Variety reported. Warner's rights to Blade Runner lapsed a year ago, but the studio has since negotiated a long-term license. The movie has a troubled history. When Scott ran over budget, completion bond guarantors took control of it and made substantial changes before its 1982 theatrical release, adding a voice-over and a happy ending. That version was replaced by the much better-received director's cut in 1992, but Scott has long been unhappy with it, complaining that he was rushed and unable to give it proper attention. Scott started working on the final cut version in 2000, but that project was shelved by Warner soon after, apparently because the studio couldn't come to terms with Jerry Perenchio over rights issues. The restored "director's cut" will debut on home video in September and will remain on sale for only four months, after which time it will be placed on moratorium. Blade Runner: Final Cut will arrive in 2007 for a limited 25th-anniversary theatrical run, followed by a special-edition DVD with the three previous versions offered as alternate viewing. Besides the original theatrical version and director's cut, the expanded international theatrical cut will be included. The set will also contain additional bonus materials.

What was wrong with that scene?
by I Dunno
Apr 27th, 2007
11:52:09 AM
Were her breasts not saggy enough?
Vern is clearly out of the loop...
by Karl Hungus
Apr 27th, 2007
11:52:33 AM
It was announced LAST YEAR that the original theatrical version, along with the international version and the 1992 Director's Cut would be released in this new DVD set. THIS is how you do it. Not like Lucas.
On The Edge of Bladerunner
by lodgepole
Apr 27th, 2007
11:52:52 AM
Google video have a higher quality and complete version of the doc at http://tinyurl.com/3a5rvx. They have a lot of Kermode's work, most of it is worth watching.
They'll get around the age difference...
by slone13
Apr 27th, 2007
11:53:20 AM
...the same way they got around it in those awful DirectTV commercials with Charlie Sheen reprising his role of Rick Vaughn from Major League.
even as a little kid I hated the voice over
by HeWhoCannotBeNamed
Apr 27th, 2007
11:53:55 AM
drunk narration. I do want the full eye-gouging scene back though.....
I dig both versions!
by kinghenryVIII
Apr 27th, 2007
11:56:30 AM
The narration doesn't bother me at all. And without it .... it's all good.

I said it before and I'll say it again - the Directors Cut of Kingdom of Heaven rules. RULES! If Ridley wants to add / subtract things from his movie, awsome. They're great to begin with!

And the Lucas thing .... that fat fuck has only a handful of movies that, minus what, 3, are all the same. That bitch is beating a dead horse. He can't direct for shit. Can't write for shit ..... Lucas is like a cat and plays with things till their dead - DEAD! FAT NECK, come up with an idea and then shut the fuck up before you kill it.

Maybe we'll get the Directors cut of "A Good Year" where, in a drunken state, Maxi-pad slices Frenchies with stale bread?

But what about all the unfilmed scenes?
by Kizeesh
Apr 27th, 2007
11:56:31 AM
Like The frozen eye doctor getting knocked over by Deckard and smashing on the floor? They're hardly going to be able to shoot that with Ford, et al. Still I'm sure it'll be good
Uhmmmm.....Shia Labouf????
by Forestal
Apr 27th, 2007
11:56:54 AM
Already bought Blade Runner on DVD. I might pick up the special edition still though.
Oscar Wilde 4 Prez
by trombone
Apr 27th, 2007
12:03:38 PM
No no no. Because that means Deckard can only relate to the replicants because he is one of them, and NOT because he realizes that they possess a greater degree of humanity, being artificial. If he is a replicant, then we, as viewers say "poor widdew wobot" and happily move along treating each other like trash. But the empathy he achieves as a HUMAN overcoming his own monstrosities by receiving mercy from Roy invites us to overcome our own prejudices. And anyway, that Unicorn scene was from a FRICKING TOM CRUISE movie!! Made AFTER Blade Runner! Not even part of the original. And it doesn't matter what Ridley Scott said in 1994, once he signs off on the movie, it's not HIS anymore--it takes on a life of its own. It doesn't matter what he may have been THINKING. It matters what he MADE. If Deckard, in the end, is a skin-job, then WE ALL are. And ALL life washes down the drain with Roy's tears.
OK, there are two arguments in there that don't add up
by trombone
Apr 27th, 2007
12:06:40 PM
The second one is better, I withdraw the "poor widdow wobot" part
I try to cut directors some slack.
by BillyPilgrim
Apr 27th, 2007
12:09:28 PM
They have to battle with the corporate goons when filming and editing the theatrical release. So if they have a chance to go back and refilm for a DVD to complete their original "vision" then I say bully for them. That does not mean I'm going to drool over the new version like its a New York Strip. The Director runs the risk of fans preferring the original release. In the case of Lucas's additions they were horrible and distracting. Like someone just took a shit on tasty juicy steak. Nobody likes a shit steak. Not even with A1 on it.
Uh...
by Fecal Debris
Apr 27th, 2007
12:13:05 PM
...that's called "remaking a movie." Reshoots 25 years after the fact? No.

"You'd be amazed at what some guys will go through to get a glimpse at a beautiful body."

Which reminds me, pillow, please send Ashley Judd over to do these f*cking dishes.

I thought the theme about existence and life...
by anchorite
Apr 27th, 2007
12:15:15 PM
was achieved in the theatrical version. It didn't need to be changed so that then Deckard was made out to be a Replicant.

I actually liked the narration, as I feel it played perfectly into the film noir tone that they were obviously going for.

It's just my personal preference, and I certainly do not claim to be the arbiter of all things Blade Runner.

But I have admittedly been upset that the theatrical version has never been made available on DVD to fans such as myself. It has a decidedly different feel to it than the Director's Cut, and it always struck me as odd that they wouldn't have both versions since most Director's cuts are released on DVD AFTER the theatrical versions. Weird.
From what I've heard...
by DocPazuzu
Apr 27th, 2007
12:19:43 PM
...the set will contain both the director's cut, the unrated theatrical cut and a new "definitve cut" of the film with the reinstated scenes, polish-ups and new footage. Not to mention a shitload of extras. Oh yes.
Oh and if they don't include Mark Kermode's...
by DocPazuzu
Apr 27th, 2007
12:21:59 PM
...excellent documentary, it's easily obtained on the internets via the wonder of something that rhymes with "tit borrent".
Oscar Wilde 4 Prez--you don't get off that easy
by trombone
Apr 27th, 2007
12:27:26 PM
The reason is that we identify with Deckard. We're inside his head. So if he's a skin-job, then we ALL are. You're statement "If you have a tendency to see meaningless, existential futility--then that's what you'll see. If you have a tendency to see interconnectedness or enlightenment--then that's what you'll see." Does not hold up. We are talking about what the film itself is saying. I am not a proponent (and neither was PK Dick) of Relativism. Especially in art. If you have an opinion, support it with evidence from the film--that way, the discussion becomes fun. It's not so much fun to be right (or painful to be wrong--and I may be wrong: not be seeing everything in the film) if "anything you see is OK".
Thanks, Merrick!
by Anti-fanboy
Apr 27th, 2007
12:28:51 PM
Really enjoyed the videos!
Ridley Scott raped my childhood
by Doctor_Sin
Apr 27th, 2007
12:29:40 PM
This jiggery-pokery has got to stop somewhere. What's next? Reshooting an entire film?!?!?

LEAVE THE FILMS ALONE AND RELEASE THEM.

Assclowns.

Am I the only one...
by TheContinentalOp
Apr 27th, 2007
12:30:46 PM
...who just can't get into Blade Runner? I try, dammit. I really do. I want to like it. It looks great, I love Phillip K. Dick, Harrison Ford, Rutger Haur (on the fence about Ridley Scott, though), but every time I sit down to watch it, I get distracted. I find myself reading a magazine or something. It's not because I don't "get" it, and it's not because I'm an ADD-addled teenager (I'll be 30 this year). I respect the movie, but for whatever reason, it just doesn't hold my interest, no matter how hard I try. I don't want to be the only one left out in the cold by what I agree is a modern classic. Somebody please tell me that I'm not alone.
TRUTHS
by longshot7
Apr 27th, 2007
12:33:11 PM
1. The Theatrical Cut is better. The film NEEDS the narration. See Noir 101. 2. Deckard is NOT a replicant. He can't be. I don't care what Ridley Scott says. 3. Home again home again jiggily jig.
Then again...
by TheContinentalOp
Apr 27th, 2007
12:34:54 PM
Maybe it's because I've only ever seen the director's cut. There are those who say the theatrical version is better. Maybe this new DVD will clear things up for me.
TheContinentalOp
by trombone
Apr 27th, 2007
12:37:02 PM
Just try looking at the movie like a beautiful painting. Don't try to "get it", just admire the amazing shots. It may not be your thing.
Will the DVD have the Work Print?
by modlight
Apr 27th, 2007
12:37:39 PM
Thats the version I want, and I'd love it if they ad in the microscopic city scene that Pris sees in Sebastians place. I'm so super excited about a good DVD of this.
Wasn't Deckard a replicant in the book
by Lovecraftfan
Apr 27th, 2007
12:38:48 PM
I seem to remember thats where a lot of the power of the novel comes from.
I didn't wait this long to get *reshoots*
by Doctor_Sin
Apr 27th, 2007
12:39:55 PM
I better have the option of watching the film without new, added crap. What's the point? Hasn't anyone learned from the Lucas debacle?
For those who can't get into it, see it on a Big Screen
by modlight
Apr 27th, 2007
12:41:23 PM
It went from being a movie I liked to my favorite movie when I saw it at the 75th Warner Bros film festival. It takes on a different meaning, feel, awesomeness. And I had kind of noticed the replicant eye reflection thing on video, but seeing Deckard's eyes glow in that one shot on a big screen sold it to me that he's a replicant.
Trombone
by TheContinentalOp
Apr 27th, 2007
12:41:40 PM
Like I said, it's not a matter of getting it. I've read the book, which I like. I think it's the pacing that I find offputting. Normally, I don't mind a slow, dream-like movie, but there's something about Blade Runner that just will not let me in. But sometimes it's all about the time and place when you watch a movie. Maybe I'll watch it again and this will be the time that me and Blade Runner connect. Thanks for your civil comments, though. I was expecting to get yelled at.
You're not the only one, Continental
by thebearovingian
Apr 27th, 2007
12:42:54 PM
I don't think Blade Runner is a good movie. I've tried watching it several times but I've never felt that it was time well spent. AND APPARENTLY Mr. Ridley Scott ain't satisfied with it either.
Please, for the love of fuck sake,
by Stuntcock Mike
Apr 27th, 2007
12:43:08 PM
include the release WITH NARRATION. End of line.
Cool, but is she still going to be TOPLESS?
by Proman1984
Apr 27th, 2007
12:45:31 PM
I guess not.
Excellent.
by Mr. Nice Gaius
Apr 27th, 2007
12:51:33 PM
"I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I've watched sea beams glitter in the dark at the Tanhauser Gate. All those moments will be lost in...time...like tears...in rain."

I have to say, I'm really looking forward to this release. I'm surprised to hear about the Zhora re-shoots. But if they're looking to touch up the street/shooting scene, so be it. As far as "errors" go, I was always more interested in the discrepancy with the number of Replicants Bryant addresses in the beginning. Isn't there one unaccounted for?

I was never a big fan of the "Deckard is a Replicant Theory". In fact, I was always under the impression that Scott denied this. He even denied the existence of an alleged scene at the end of the film where Deckard is being treated in an ambulance and a machine is declaring him a Replicant (hello? Voigt-Kampf???).

There are strengths and weaknesses to both versions of the film. I'm just excited that we finally get an all encompassing set.

Shears in the rain...
by Billy Caspar
Apr 27th, 2007
12:54:04 PM
get rusty
I like both
by SpikeTBB
Apr 27th, 2007
12:57:55 PM
The theatrical and director's cut. I will be getting this so I can have all three versions and watch which ever when ever the mood strikes me.

It may sound strange since it is the same movie, but each version feels like a distinct film. I liked getting inside Deckard's head and hearing his outlook on things. It's been years since I heard it but I think he had a line like "The report would read 'lawful retirement of a replicant': which didn't make me feel any better about shooting an unarmed woman in the back." That and some of the other lines from the narration stayed with me, such as Deckard's thoughts as he watched the final moments of Roy Batty, I've missed hearing them. Also, i think the reason they added the narration was concern over what TheContinentalOp is talking about. With out the narration there are long stretches of visuals and music with out dialogue that set the tone, mood and pace. It gives it an unique style. But it can also seem plodding, it feels 'heavy' and sluggish to some people. HOWEVER, the directors cut also has an impact all it's own. That same scene, with Deckard just staring at the broken glass and the woman he's gunned down has a different feel and is also very moving in a different way. The seemingly emptiness of existence as Deckard stares at Batty, only to be lifted by the ray of hope as the bird takes flight is beautiful when uninterrupted by narration.

I feel both versions have unique merits and it is natural each would appeal to different viewers. No one view is right or wrong or superior or inferior, it just depends on what you want from the movie. And with this DVD we don't have to choose one way or the other.

Oscar Wilde 4 Prez
by trombone
Apr 27th, 2007
12:58:28 PM
Which philosophy of art?
Seeing as we're talking about LEGEND
by Stuntcock Mike
Apr 27th, 2007
12:58:34 PM
Tim Curry was great as Deckard the Unicorn.
when exactly will this set be available...
by JimmyJoe RedSky
Apr 27th, 2007
12:59:19 PM
and - whats this "deckard is a replicant" stuff - did i miss something - i dont remember him turning out to be one - unless i didnt get it
Given that the upcoming boxed set...
by Sledge Hammer
Apr 27th, 2007
12:59:26 PM
...Has already been confirmed as going to contain the (international version) of the original theatrical cut, as well as the 90's directors cut, I don't much care what Scott does with this new version. Good, bad or indifferent, it'll be an interesting curiosity, and unlike with Lucas and the Original Trilogy, it's not being released at the expense of previous versions, nor is it seeking to arbitrarily replace them, so that, to me, is the big difference here.

To me this is no different than Scott's alternate version of Alien, it's an interesting version, and it's great to have on dvd along with the original, but it in no way replaces the original (nor does it even try to), and it's the original that I go back to.

Anyway I can't wait until the end of the year when this set *finally* sees the light of day.

This is for Zhora...
by disfigurehead
Apr 27th, 2007
01:04:22 PM
*crack* and this is for Pris...*crunch* Classic flick
disfigurehead..
by SpikeTBB
Apr 27th, 2007
01:14:05 PM
THAT scene in particular really showed the debt of the film. I felt bad for Deckard, of course, but I also felt bad for Batty and sympathized with both of them. Both men had understandable motivations and both had done, as Batty put it, "questionable things" as well as "extraordinary things" Damn, now I want to go watch it again
JimmyJoe RedSky
by trombone
Apr 27th, 2007
01:19:17 PM
Some people got it into their heads that he is one. Aparently Ridley Scott is one of them. Don't worry about it. He's not. he's human just like you me and Vern.
sounds like good TB material
by AllieJamison
Apr 27th, 2007
01:24:14 PM
I just recently noticed that Brenda's mom was in fact the naked snake lady choking vulnerable as ever Harrison Ford. This news is fucking weird! It's like author vs. property round II. Let the TB hilarity ensue.
I'm with the band wagon about the movie
by Datascream
Apr 27th, 2007
01:25:37 PM
in that it doesn't hold my attention. To me the movie always puts me to sleep. Everytime I catch it on the scifi channel or what-not. I can never stay awake during it. But honestly, the movie is amazing in all fronts to me, the story, the characters, the acting, the effects are all fantastic. However it's the dull saxophone score that does absolutely nothing for me. Everything in the movie is great except for the score. I think that's what ruins the film for me.
it seems that some people dont like it because...
by JimmyJoe RedSky
Apr 27th, 2007
01:25:53 PM
of its pace - its slow and demands that the viewer just watch with patience as the story and events play out in real time - its pace is that of reality - long scenes that draw out slowly with just characters talking - very realistic - like a lot of movies made in the 1970s - which probably initially hurt it considering when it was released - everyone at the time was in love with indiana jones and quick cutting - even the chase at the end is done realistically - thats why its such a tense scary chase - i feel the panic deckard feels when hes desperately trying to get some distance between himself and batty - i still get pissed when i see him drop his gun while climbing through that hole in the ceiling - i think the people that dont like this movie just dont have the patience required for it to work on them - no offense - blade runner is a movie for movie lovers - a long warm bath with big crescendo pay offs - as opposed to a jacuzzi with a hand job - i havent seen anything like it since 1982 - i first saw it with a fresh cast on my leg - car accident - very distracting - it ruined the movie - but it quickly became a favorite in the years that followed - its one of the best movies ever made
Datascream... no love for the Vangelis score?
by modlight
Apr 27th, 2007
01:33:12 PM
dude, its one of the best film scores of all time. And much like the film it comes in many many different forms and is widely talked about and mysterious. Jimmy Joe nailed it, it takes patience and concentration. It gets lumped in with SciFi action flicks, but it really isn't. Same problem I'm sure some people had with Children of Men. It defy's it's genre, which in today's film world is very very dangerous.
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by AllieJamison
Apr 27th, 2007
01:36:59 PM
hach...and I soooo love that scene in which Deckard shoots her. His shock and exhaustion. The image of her tumbling in the midst of neon lights, artificial snow and glass. the music. beauty.
I don't find it slow at all,
by Stuntcock Mike
Apr 27th, 2007
01:37:07 PM
the spaces in the story give you time to check out the amazing backgrounds. Now I want to watch it again.
also...
by JimmyJoe RedSky
Apr 27th, 2007
01:37:14 PM
its one f the first (and only) movies to successfully combine genre elements - scifi, drama, action, horror - (scott had aleady done this with alien) - blade runner was a perfect follow up - its a scfi movie, but if you think about it it - it has some horror-movie elements working (quite well) - batty is a very scary villain - he is a horror-movie villain - looks human but isnt, smarter and stronger than us, hard to kill, psychotic, takes pleasure in scaring his victims (before killing them) - and i love his "frankenstein"-hand - his hour glass
I like the narrated version
by Nozoki
Apr 27th, 2007
01:46:17 PM
Maybe they could add a new narration as well, with old man Deckard telling the story, so instead of a film noir in the moment type narration it could be more of a "let me tell bout the time I had to retire a group of replicants" type thing.
One of the best films ever.
by Captain Mal
Apr 27th, 2007
01:46:43 PM
Meaty enough that people still debate it's meaning after this many years (and, more to the point, that they still *care to*).

This flick is an amazing, haunting, mysterious meditation on life, death, god, violence, loneliness, fulfillment and redemption. Most filmmakers today feel pretty smug if they manage to sneak a superficial philosophical question into the villain's monologue.

Coupled with visuals that set the standard for the genre, a soundtrack that still has power after three decades, and you've got yourself one hell of a movie. I'll be dead surprised if a bette sci-fi flick is ever produced.

one of my favorite scenes...
by JimmyJoe RedSky
Apr 27th, 2007
01:47:32 PM
is when roy shows up at jf's place unannounced - acting so friendly - "look at all these wonderful toys" - its played out so realistically - its still one of the scariest scenes to me - because you know that at anytime roy and priss could easily rip jf apart - and jf knows this - hes twitching with fear but trying hard to act calm - he knew by then that he was fucked - he shouldve designed the kaiser to double as a security-bot - with hidden weapons etc.
I loved both
by thefreeagents
Apr 27th, 2007
01:52:04 PM
versions of the movie, but I prefer the original cut with Ford's voice over. Which, judging from this TB puts me in a small select group. The original one feels more noir-ish ( is that a word?) with a lone detective, a convuluted plot and theres even a femme fatale thrown in. The director's cut feels more sci-fi and artsy. Almost like 2 seperate distinct movies. Also, theres no way in HELL Deckard is a replicant.
I had to watch it twice to get it, but I enjoyed it
by Mr Incredible
Apr 27th, 2007
01:54:44 PM
It was a good movie, but I just don't get all the excitment. You might as well be talking about a special Director's Cut of REMO WILLIAMS: THE ADVENTURE BEGINS. Who cares?
one of the beautifully effective elements...
by JimmyJoe RedSky
Apr 27th, 2007
01:54:47 PM
of blade runner - almost at the same time, you sympathize with the repicants' situation and the fact that theyre hunted and discriminated against... but fear and hate them for their malevolence and want them dead asap
Redsky
by TheContinentalOp
Apr 27th, 2007
01:55:24 PM
"i think the people that dont like this movie just dont have the patience required for it to work on them - no offense - blade runner is a movie for movie lovers" Sorry, but I do take offense to the idea that I'm not a movie lover if I don't love Blade Runner. If I'm not a movie lover, I don't know who is. I just don't happen to love this particular movie, and it's not because it's slow--it's because it's curiously distant and alienating. I'm not knocking it for this, as a warm and fuzzy Blade Runner would not work. But for whatever reason, I just don't connect to it. I don't think it's fair to say that this automatically makes me an impatient film-watcher.
I know it's been said, but...
by flossygomez
Apr 27th, 2007
01:56:04 PM
Keep the directors cut the same but PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE replace that horrible obvious stunt woman (man?) crashing through the glass in the BLACK wig and doing that sillee monkey dance on all fours before keeling over. It REALLY takes me out of the movie every time. ...oh, and the zoom in to the obvious plastic model of the Tyrell building at the very beginning. and keep out the Holden scene...it was deleted for a reason. BAD ACTING.
JimmyJoe RedSky
by trombone
Apr 27th, 2007
01:56:19 PM
Yes JF is AWESOME!! The human alone with artificial toys who desperately wants another "friend". "They're my friends, I made them" How sick is that? Freak hanging out at home with is equivalent of blow-up dolls. And he gets swatted by Batty like fly!!! Perfect!!! I think I have to go home and watch that movie again tonight. And whoever doesn't like the Vangelis score, I just feel sorry for you. That glissando at the end of the opening melody is deliciousness and gorgosity in sound. I bet all the people on this talkbalk who don't like Blade Runner don't like 2001: a space Odyssey either! And Matrix, as a sci-fi film, DID come CLOSE to topping Blade Runner.
Trombone
by TheContinentalOp
Apr 27th, 2007
01:59:54 PM
I like 2001. I hate generalizations.
It's o.k. when Ridley Scott does it because...
by dcut75
Apr 27th, 2007
02:00:16 PM
He's a genius and Lucas is a talentless hack.
Vangelis walks the line between
by flossygomez
Apr 27th, 2007
02:01:00 PM
Hauntingly beautiful, and cornball sentimentality. But when he's on, HE'S ON!
TheContinentalOp
by trombone
Apr 27th, 2007
02:04:24 PM
Do you hate ALL generalizations?
TheContinentalOp...
by JimmyJoe RedSky
Apr 27th, 2007
02:09:10 PM
sorry - but if you find it "curiously distant and alienating" and "cant connect to it" for that reason, you just proved my point - i felt that way about it when i first saw it in 1982 (i was 17 yrs old)
just one thing
by Halfbreedqueen
Apr 27th, 2007
02:10:29 PM
if the DVD includes the previous releases, then he can change up the movie as MUCH as he wants. it's not being hypocritical. tho i never really cared about the SW dvd's that much, I can see why people were pissed. not cause of the changes, but because they were REPLACING the originals, not supplementing them. there's a difference. if this dvd ONLY includes the redone version, well then yeah it's the same thing.
It's OK if you don't like Blade Runner...
by trombone
Apr 27th, 2007
02:12:08 PM
Just step into my office and take the Voight-Kampff test.
Cool.
by CorpseRide
Apr 27th, 2007
02:12:15 PM
I'll be buying this.
I saw the original several times before the "Director's Cut" (which Scott was never completely happy with, just 'more' happy) came out. The DC *is* much better. Maybe people with a big fetish for noir conventions can love the hokey dialogue. They'll be in the minority, but ok. Maybe people can dislike the stronger suggestion that Deckard is a replicant, and the way the film moves beyond limited definitions of humanity when it does that - that's fine, I disagree, but whatever. But no-one... NO-ONE... can claim that the original version, with it's tacked-on ending drawn from leftover footage from "The Shining", is better. There is just NO DOUBT that the closing elevator door is the way to go.
In fact, the ending of the original is SO INFERIOR to the DC ending that it renders all talk of voice-over and unicorns irrelevent. The DC doesn't have the dumb ending. Therefore it is enormously better, whether you like the other changes or not. I was so psyched the first time I watched the DC, in the '92 cinema-re-release. When the credits hit, I jumped out of my seat I was so happy.
As for the re-shoots, we'll see. If it works, great, if not, still got the originals.
As for what they changed - she puts on high heels, then runs through the street in pumps. They'll change that, she'll be running in high heels in the reshoots.
Also, she spins around from the force of the first bullet, and take the second one in the chest rather than in the back. This ain't Greedo shooting first revisionism to make Deckard look better, though - she still takes the first bullet in the back.
We'll see about her age. The makeup, "big hair", shadows/lighting, editing etc and a little cgi may make it all ok. But like I say, there's always the DC. Or the original, if you like your movies to come served with a side order of crappy ending.
hmm..
by kadayi
Apr 27th, 2007
02:13:59 PM
The chase scene was always a bit ropey but I'm sceptical that re shooting it 25 years later is going to improve things...I'll be holding out for the reviews to see if this mega DVD is really worth picking up, and even then I might hold out for when it hits budget.
Filmic Prozac Endings
by flossygomez
Apr 27th, 2007
02:16:58 PM
The people that liked the bullshit ending on the original verison must have liked the completely insane version of Brazil where the magic movie leprechaun made everyone happy there too.
JimmyJoe RedSky
by Stuntcock Mike
Apr 27th, 2007
02:17:42 PM
Dude, the fucking Kaiser scared me more than Roy or Pris.
Original Verizon?
by flossygomez
Apr 27th, 2007
02:19:04 PM
damnit! editing function pleeeeeeeez!
dcut75
by Stuntcock Mike
Apr 27th, 2007
02:20:21 PM
Well put.
Have to say, the Directors Cut SUCKS!!!!!
by jojo-pimp
Apr 27th, 2007
02:22:38 PM
Its really just not the same without the narration by Ford. I mean, to me, that was some of the most interesting shit in the original cut. Thank god that version will finally be released on dvd..cannot frickin wait!
trombone...
by JimmyJoe RedSky
Apr 27th, 2007
02:23:11 PM
i have more in common with jf than with any other character in the movie - i hated that he was killed - no witnesses i guess - i disagree about the matrix - its great, but its no blade runner - all of its karate and gunfire prevented it from reaching blade runner status - but its story is brilliant - it shined brightest in its quieter moments(all the action and noise is cool, but its really just candy) - for what they are, i think "dark city" is better than "the matrix" (i like it more) - very similar themes, very different executions
That Kaiser WAS fucking scary
by trombone
Apr 27th, 2007
02:23:23 PM
That's part of the scary part of the movie. This guy who makes THINGS that are more human than human. You come out of the film with the question: what's human about me?
You got me there, Trombone
by TheContinentalOp
Apr 27th, 2007
02:25:48 PM
Yes, I hate generalizations in general. But for real, all I'm trying to say is that, while I appreciate Blade Runner on an intellectual and aestethic level, it doesn't do much for me (in the version I've seen, anyway) on the level of entertainment. Which is surprising, even to me, because it certainly seems like something I'd love (if you know what my name means, then you know that I like noir). Believe me, I get no joy out of this. I'm not trying to be the guy who hates something just because everybody else loves it. Not enjoying Blade Runner is just about the uncoolest thing I can think of, but I'm not going to pretend to like something if I don't. I just don't think it's fair for me to get lumped in with the ringtone-and-Ritalin crowd just because I don't care for one particular movie. If you like the movie, I'm honestly happy for you. But if you know in your heart that it is an amazing work of art, why must you (well, more specifically Redsky) work so hard to discredit my honest opinion? I am a lifelong film fan with wide-ranging interests. I also don't like Blade Runner. Amazingly, these two things can coexist.
Stuntcock Mike...
by JimmyJoe RedSky
Apr 27th, 2007
02:31:01 PM
i know what you mean - when i watch the wizard of oz, i find the residents of munchkin city scarier than the wicked witch (and her monkeys)
Geekasm!
by KillaKane
Apr 27th, 2007
02:33:56 PM
Can't wait for this, sounds like Ridley won't dissappoint with this uber cool ultimate ed DVD. Was dubious it was ever going to happen, super stoked it's finally coming.
They only had enough money to do the Zhora gets shot ..
by Shan
Apr 27th, 2007
02:38:32 PM
scene once apparently, so it was that take or no take at all.
Oh, and by the way...
by Sledge Hammer
Apr 27th, 2007
02:39:23 PM
...I'm guessing the reshooting that Scott is doing with Cassidy is just so he can digitally replace the stunt woman's head with hers Tom-Cruise/Mission: Impossible style, just to spruce up the scene where Zhora gets shot. We'll see though.
TheContinentalOp
by trombone
Apr 27th, 2007
02:41:14 PM
Oh man, you got to get all nice on me, just when i thought we could have a good ol' adolescent talkback fight. Rats! Your line "Not enjoying Blade Runner is just about the uncoolest thing I can think of" and this is an all-time talk-back classic: "I am a life-long film fan with wide-ranging interests. I also don't like Blade Runner. Amazingly, these two things can coexist."
TheContinentalOp...
by JimmyJoe RedSky
Apr 27th, 2007
02:43:07 PM
you said - "I appreciate Blade Runner on an intellectual and aestethic level, it doesn't do much for me (in the version I've seen, anyway) on the level of entertainment" - ? - i like my entertainment/movies (not all but a lot) to be "intellectually" and "aesthetically" stimulating - that defines "entertaining" - to be fair, i like a lot of crap too - no brainer movies - guilty pleasures - its a matter of taste i guess - i dont mean good vs. bad - just different, i understand
Trombone
by TheContinentalOp
Apr 27th, 2007
02:43:33 PM
I kill with kindness. It's so much meaner that way.
Peace out to TheContinentalOp and JimmyJoe RedSky
by trombone
Apr 27th, 2007
02:45:50 PM
Time for this talk backer to get back to work...
Sledge Hammer...
by CorpseRide
Apr 27th, 2007
02:47:17 PM
...the re-shoot changes her footwear from pumps to heels, and makes her take the second bullet in the chest instead of the back. See my previous post, above.
Redsky
by TheContinentalOp
Apr 27th, 2007
02:50:23 PM
I like stuff that feeds my head, but that doesn't necessarily translate into the emotion of enjoyment, know what I mean? It often does, but sometimes there's a disconnect somewhere between the head and the heart. But it's cool. I'm not trying to change anybody's opinion. I just want mine to be respected, that's all.
RE: Modlight
by Datascream
Apr 27th, 2007
02:51:17 PM
dude I agree with you. I have patience to watch lengthy movies, but something about the score (and it IS a beautiful score I should have mentioned) that just puts me to sleep EVERYtime I watch it. I desperately want to watch this movie all the way through non-stop, because I constantly feel as if I'm missing out on a LOT of great ideas. And yeah the score is beautiful! I agree 100%, but at the same time it works along the same way with the pace of the movie. I am a movie lover, trust me. And I love cyberpunk, futuristic movies as much as the next guy. But for some strange reason something in the movie just doesn't hold me. and I stayed awake and loved the HELL outta Children of Men, just to let you know ;)
Trombone
by TheContinentalOp
Apr 27th, 2007
02:52:15 PM
Later, bruh. Thanks for the discussion. I should probably think about accomplishing something today too.
George Michael - Freeek video
by HarryBlackPotter
Apr 27th, 2007
02:58:15 PM
That had a fantastic CGI future metropolis which also had the Blade Runner building in it. I hope for this super-special edition release they've given the city a big CGI make-over.
I said it about a million times before....
by Neo Zeed
Apr 27th, 2007
03:01:39 PM
so why not say it again? Can we get a NEW cyberpunk movie from Ridley? He is obviously obsessed over this movie. However if Blade Runner is flawed in his eyes, he should just make a new movie. Just adapt one from the billion novels out there. Bottom line....how many times can I watch the same friggin' movie?!
New Ridley cyberpunk
by TheContinentalOp
Apr 27th, 2007
03:05:15 PM
It would be pretty great if he did Neuromancer. But then again, everybody would just assume that it was ripping off The Matrix, rather than vice versa.
Datascream, gotcha. I see what you mean
by modlight
Apr 27th, 2007
03:41:38 PM
It is a mellow score. Its a mellow movie too. My advice is to watch it all the way through a few times, read Paul Sammon's book, and then watch it a few more times. It's like M.A.S.H. it gets better everytime you see it, and the first time you say, "its cool, but what's the big deal"
Zhora is going to threaten Deckard with a Walkie-Talkie
by Gorrister
Apr 27th, 2007
03:48:20 PM
I've heard they are changing this scene for almost the EXACT reason Lucas changed the Han vs Greedo scene. Basically, Deckard shoots an unarmed woman in the back who isn't threatening his life. It was cool in the 80's, but the pussified 21st Century cannot allow such violence against women to exist (or to have EVER existed). So it's being reshot because, for some reason, Ridley Scott didn't ORIGINALLY envision a woman getting shot in the back by the hero of the movie. That scene just 'somehow' ended up in the film.
Gorrister... if that's true, then its sad.
by modlight
Apr 27th, 2007
03:56:31 PM
But there is the problem that Deckard only kills and or beats women in Blade Runner.
"I've seen things you people wouldn't believe...
by Dr. Frankenstein
Apr 27th, 2007
03:56:47 PM
Attack ships on fire off the shores of Orion." Great line and one I've used myself to describe a good Imax 3D movie to my shleb friends who've never seen one ;o)
Gorrister, re-read my post above...
by CorpseRide
Apr 27th, 2007
04:22:25 PM
...she still takes the first bullet in the back. The force spins her around, so she takes the second one in the chest. So your point is void.
How will it affect continuity...
by smackfu
Apr 27th, 2007
04:30:41 PM
when suddenly Zhora's tits are swinging out and slapping her in the back like a congratulatory second set of arms while she runs?
RE: New Ridley cyberpunk
by Neo Zeed
Apr 27th, 2007
04:35:22 PM
Yeah, but there are other novels out there. Plus it would take place in the future with cool set design...as opposed to the Matrix which was real world stuff/caves.
"I'mnotsure why we're supposed tobe excited about this"
by newc0253
Apr 27th, 2007
04:40:29 PM
reshooting a chase sequence with the same actress 30 years on? i'm not sure we're supposed to be excited. i think we're just meant to be perplexed.
Morgan Paull is AWFUL in that scene
by ebolamonkey
Apr 27th, 2007
04:42:52 PM
I mean, it looks like someone cut together their student film with some shots of Harrison Ford. I mean that's laughably bad acting there.
Cookylamoo, I always said the same thing...
by anchorite
Apr 27th, 2007
04:52:28 PM
about Deckard being a Replicant - if he was, then why did Roy and the other Replicants always beat his ass so badly? Maybe because they were of that special series (7?) and were bred to be more powerful. I don't know. Maybe it's because he WASN'T a friggin' Replicant! That's how I prefer to view it, anyway.

The reason Deckard shot her in the back is that he didn't give a damn which side he shot. His job was to retire those Replicants, not to bring them in or wing them or treat them in any way approaching nice. He was meant to kill them. And he didn't think of them as human - don't forget that part. That's why he had such a dilemma with Rachel. He loved her and she was a Replicant.

I can't help it, I loved the theatrical version of Blade Runner with its happy, if albeit uncertain, ending.

As for why people would stay stuck in horrible rainy San Francisco if there was a nice lush green part of the world left - you can answer that quite easily for yourself right now. Why do people live in New York City, Detroit, Chicago, Tokyo, Hong Kong, etc., where the crime rate is higher, the traffic is terrible, it's noisy, filthy, you always have to watch your back, etc.? All they have to do is move to the suburbs, or to somewhere cleaner, safer, etc. But they don't. It's human nature, I guess.
The difference between Scott and Lucas
by QuinnTheEskimo
Apr 27th, 2007
04:55:15 PM
Is that Scott isn't making the new version the only available version. The director has the right to tinker with it all he wants, but only if we're allowed to have the cut we prefer. I heard this DVD will have the original, the direcors, the international, and the new cuts. I also heard they might release the new cut in theaters.
gorrister and modlight
by ebolamonkey
Apr 27th, 2007
04:59:57 PM
Actually he only shoots replicants. We sympathize with the replicants because what we see is women. You are left with the question - is it murder, or simply destroying a machine, with no more moral implications than breaking a toaster. That's the whole point of the film.
Intelligence quotient.
by gridbug
Apr 27th, 2007
05:14:12 PM
The "Deckard voice over narration" was added in at the behest of the studio who felt that the audience wouldn't "get it" otherwise.

And yes, it's a good bet that J Cassidy's reshoots are to address the continuity of the stuntwoman and the Esper hard copy photo. A world of difference between that and Lucas totally shitting all over Han Solo's character arc etc.

Now on glide path, over the landing threshold.

LIVE FREE OR DECK 'ARD
by BannedOnTheRun
Apr 27th, 2007
05:22:39 PM
Anything is preferred to a remake.
Hope I didn't start the debate
by HeWhoCannotBeNamed
Apr 27th, 2007
05:35:31 PM
over voice-over or no voice-over. I just know and can hear Ford's hate during every line of the studio forced voice-over. Didn't he say he did it drunk too or is that a myth? Regardless, I think both versions are great and belong in the set. I just prefer the DC now with the superior ending. Keep in mind though that we didn't get the DC until, what, 92? I have been watching the original on VHS for years before that.....Sorry about the narration complaint if I set anyone off. Bring on all versions I say...Classic. Fucking Legendary.
NEWSFLASH: BLADE RUNNER REMAKE!!!!
by wackybantha
Apr 27th, 2007
05:35:47 PM
FREDDIE PRINZE, JR. AS RICK DECKARD!!! AWESOME!!!
coockylamoo & anchorite...
by JimmyJoe RedSky
Apr 27th, 2007
06:14:36 PM
people dont move out of big crowded cities because - 1.they cant for any number of reasons(not everyone is free to just pick up and roam the country) - 2.they like it there(usually the wealthier you are, the nicer large crowded cities seem, eldon tyrell had it pretty good) -- gorrister, modlight and ebolamonkey... these replicants are not only renegades on earth illegally, theyre murderers - being a blade runner is an ugly job, but the job needs to be done - it raises the question... how do you define "human"? - the reason the blade runner unit was implemented was because, unchecked, replicants could easily get away with far more than humans(criminally speaking) - being that they are superior in every sense(except longevity) - humans have always felt the need to control that which could potentially control them - depending on who you ask, this can be a good thing or a bad thing - on that note, i think being a sandman would be harder than being a blade runner, they kill real people
So, this is a classic that's ok to fuck with?
by Doctor_Sin
Apr 27th, 2007
06:14:58 PM
Spielberg and Lucas jack with their flicks and everyone shits pineapple rinds. Face it, any tinkering is tinkering and you either allow it or not. Not just the ones you think are 'cool.'
My Other Brother Darrell
by holyguacamole
Apr 27th, 2007
06:17:37 PM
So Han Solo with a bur kills the mermaid who the guy from Newhart had a crush on. Meanwhile, the Hitcher goes Fonzy in the eyeballs of the chess dude. Then Commander Adama makes a paper jack-ass, leaves it on the ground, and disappears in his pimp suit. I'M PRE-ORDERING ON AMAZON NOW!
in the sack...
by JimmyJoe RedSky
Apr 27th, 2007
06:21:34 PM
pris or zhora - im leaning towards zhora - the great thing about replicant hookers, they never get tired - and they dont get pregnanat - and their designed(internally) to absorb and destroy any virus/std- no fuss no muss - thats 3 things
i meant to say "pregnant"
by JimmyJoe RedSky
Apr 27th, 2007
06:23:44 PM
not "pregnanat"
So will they "reimagine" this movie with illegal aliens
by anchorite
Apr 27th, 2007
06:37:58 PM
in the place of Replicants? Some Minuteman is brought in to take out the migrant workers who keep causing problems in the border towns. They could call it Border Runner. It could even be done for next to no budget. And keep the score from Vangelis. But also include the Chariots of Fire theme for when we see the guys running past the border patrol checkpoints. I'm trying to figure out where the sax-heavy Blade Runner Love Theme would fit in, though. Any ideas?
Anyway, I can't wait for this new DVD set! When will it
by anchorite
Apr 27th, 2007
06:39:07 PM
be out on HD/DVD and/or Blu-Ray? Not that I have either... I'm no fool.
Multiple Futures
by flossygomez
Apr 27th, 2007
07:06:52 PM
Science fiction is about possibilities and the freedom of it taking multiple paths deduced from the standpoint of the present. If that is so, then Ridley can make 500 versions of Bladerunner and still have an authoritative version. Ridley is not erasing any other version like a certain Lucas character. If he makes Deckard an enormous moose in pinstripes we still have the version we like the most. Cinema history isn't being shat on and every fanboy can have his cake and ice cream. However, it seems there are many more wonderful and challenging Philip K. Dick stories that can be adapted for the screen instead of spending such enormous energy on one film. With all of that I do have a Bladerunner fetish and love the thought of having infinite takes on one film. Now if Lucas can be persuaded to take out all the CGI his recent trilogy and reshoot the whole damn thing old school style, I will be happy. In Children of Men, for example, all the CGI work was peripheral, working to enhance the pure cinematic quality, unlike the static wall of information and over busy "Look at me" eye candy that Lucas gave us.
Can someone explain something to me?
by Doc_Strange
Apr 27th, 2007
07:24:40 PM
If Deckard is a replicant, then how come his unit didn't retire him when he first came into the office or even before that? From what I've read, Ridley Scott stated that Deckard is a replicant so the question is what happened there? Also why didn't Tyrell recognize him as being one of their models?
I want more life....... FUCKER!!!!
by Doc_Strange
Apr 27th, 2007
07:40:52 PM
After seeing this movie, I think Rutger Hauer is one of the best actors of our time. Plus he's an awesome bad guy. Also, I still want to bang Sean Young.
What's up...
by CorpseRide
Apr 27th, 2007
07:47:57 PM
...with the guys coming on and whining about George Lucas? The fact that this is being released as one of many alternate versions negates your point. Lucas' attempts to effectively remove the originals from circulation (a position he has since moved away from) was what annoyed people about the Star Wars Special Editions. But that has been pointed out many times in this Talkback. You must not have read it before you posted. Yeah, I'm talking about you, Doctor_Sin. I can only assume you are a retard of the highest order. Drooling and wailing and smushing your face against the keyboard in a vague effort to understand the situation. I can picture it now: a bewildered expression not unlike that of a dying manatee receiving unexpected divorce papers. Go and pleasure yourself by inserting your wookie into your anus, like you always do. Alternately, learn to read before you drool your inbred cornhole opinion all over this site. Oh, and the Star Wars prequals were uniformly shit. No ifs and buts, they were all shit. Shit. Hope you liked that long slow piss in your face.

Right, I'm off down the pub.

DECKARD SHOT FIRST!
by Anakin Whoopass
Apr 27th, 2007
08:00:11 PM
Next the revisionists eliminate Indy shooting the swordman and put in a CG/body double whip fight "as originally intended". No Harrison Ford scene is safe.
RELAX, IDIOTS
by HypeEndsHere
Apr 27th, 2007
08:23:42 PM
this piece is for a gag reel for the DVD only. it addresses the fact that in the original, the stunt woman's wig is terrible. and if you're asking for purists, here is one. as long as the original version(s) are still available, shot whatever extra shit you want and edit in a CGI unicorn for the new version. I. DON'T. CARE. as long as we have the option of watching the version first made available to the public.
But the original hasn't been available...
by anchorite
Apr 27th, 2007
08:41:52 PM
That's what I'm hoping is rectified with this new edition. I will be such a happy camper if the theatrical release is remastered and released in this new DVD offering. Up until now all we've been able to get (without bootlegging a damn Laserdisc) is the Director's Cut. Poo on that. I still don't understand why they didn't just release both versions in that set.
Anchorite and cookylamoo, it's set in Los Angeles
by Bronx Cheer
Apr 27th, 2007
08:46:26 PM

not San Francisco. The ending of the original version was such utter bullshit, and for reasons that have nothing to do with why people choose to live in NYC versus the 'burbs.

The Los Angeles of the film, with its omnipresent and oppressive rain, terrible overcrowding and pollution, and obvious urban decay...that Los Angeles is not like New York City of today. NYC has crowding, crime, some dirty streets, etc, but it also has an incredibly diverse citizenry, wealth of culture, vibrant urban setting, and many other things that bind people to it. We can always go out to the wide open spaces, but speaking just for myself, there is something about the vertical density of a city like New York that is unlike anything else.

Blade Runner's LA looked like a shithole, not far from the NYC in Escape from New York (okay, I exaggerate a bit). But my NYC five boroughs, four of which are on islands, and Manhattan has Greenwich Village, the Lower East Side, Central Park, the Hudson River and Chelsea Piers, and on and on. I bet BR's LA has nothing except urban squalor. If there was anything remotely like the lush verdant wonderland they show us at the end of the original version, people would make an immediate exodus. Sure, the city's not for a lot of people, but for us to believe that only people on the run from John Law go to the country in BR, they would have had to show us ONE reason why people would stay in LA. That ending alone ruined the film. While I enjoyed some of the voice over, I think the director's cut is a fantastic film and does not suffer from the lack of the noirish narrative.

He's a replicant. Get over it. It adds depth and resonance to the story. If he's human, he's just a loser machine hunter. Why can't there be different Replicants with different abilties. Sean Young is virtually human, and I bet she couldn't hold her own in a fight with Pris. It's an advantage for Deckard to blend in with humans; if he had super-human strength, he would give himself away, and his creators probably didn't want that.

For those who argue that people who don't like Blade Runner are not movie lovers, please don't make yourself out to be any more ignorant than you already must be. There are a lot of reasons for people not to like Blade Runner. The score can be off-putting. There's violence that is stylized and remote, that doesn't have much of a visceral impact. It's depressing. It's dark, emotionally and in foot candles. As an actor, Harrison Ford rubs some people the wrong way. And I am sorry, but the horrible sci-fi robot poetry about shit in space on the shoulder of Orion, that is laughable crap. Seriously. For myself, my deep and abiding respect and affection for Blade Runner is remarkable because I am not a Ridley Scott fan. I think he's made some very good films, but I do not care for his aesthetic. Many of his films suffer from advertising visuals. The man is pathologically incapable of shooting a film without at least one scene shrouded in mist or fog, water droplets sliding down a metal of glass surface similar to a Bud or Coke commercial, and the pallete he usually chooses for his films I find drab and blah.

I have a great appreciation for his skill, and I acknowledge that the man can put a film together with consummate skill, but he's just not my cup of tea.

The original voice-over was essential...
by Bill Clay
Apr 27th, 2007
08:59:55 PM
...to getting up to speed on what kind of world the future was. People who prefer the Director's Cut are people who already saw the Theatrical Release and already knew the plot. If you saw the DC first, you had to play "fill in the blanks". Several friends who saw the DC on DVD told me they found the plot confusing. Besides, how could you hate the opening line, "Sushi. That's what my ex-wife used to call me. Cold fish."
BTW, Harrison Ford said Deckard was NOT a replicant...
by Bill Clay
Apr 27th, 2007
09:03:25 PM
...so there!
Bullwinkle the Moose
by flossygomez
Apr 27th, 2007
09:24:49 PM
could only dream of such florid and noisome prose. "Besides, how could you hate the opening line, "Sushi. That's what my ex-wife used to call me. Cold fish." ....um, because it sucks?
Deckard a Replicant?
by MrMojok
Apr 27th, 2007
09:41:18 PM
OK, after reading talkbacks for about seven years now, this one has finally prompted me to register. Didn't Ridley say Deckard WAS a replicant just a few years ago in a director's commentary track, or an interview of something? Surely someone must remember this.
That "Deckard is a replicant" angle is illogical to me
by Laserbrain
Apr 27th, 2007
09:43:08 PM
The Voight Kampff is an empathy test, right? Replicants are incapable of, or have an insufficient capacity for, empathy. So how can a replicant like Deckard administer the test if he can't feel empathy himself? The VK doesn't seem to me to be a simple Yes/No or multiple choice deal- Deckard's not checking a series of boxes. He is asked to define and evaluate Rachel's level of empathy from a highly personalized and variable set of responses. Why would they make replicants to hunt replicants when plainly it is the human hunter who is best equipped to identify them? ______It's always struck me as cheap irony. And the Unicorn offcut from Legend sloppily grafted on didn't sell the twist very well either. BUT- I love the film, flaws and all. It'll be nice to get a sweet new gussied up version.
And the Oscar for Overacting goes to...
by Det. John Kimble
Apr 27th, 2007
09:55:38 PM
Holden. Wow - he was good in the VK test of Leon at Tyrell scene but TERRIBLE in that hospital scene.
What about the Criterion edition extras?
by Det. John Kimble
Apr 27th, 2007
10:00:10 PM
Like Syd Mead's preproduction visual furist drawings, etc, etc, etc. I still have my laserdisc of Blade Runner from Criterion because they did it so damn well.
Harrison Ford vs Ridley Scott Re: Replicant
by Bill Clay
Apr 27th, 2007
10:10:45 PM
Okay, Ridley Scott has said that he always intended for Deckard to be a replicant. Harrison Ford, and most of the other actors, said that they disagreed and they believed that Deckard was not a replicant. Who's right? Flip a coin. I'll go with Harrison's comment, "If Deckard was a replicant, the audience would have no one to root for." And Deckard's sacrifice, of becoming a fugitive and running away to spend what little time Rachel had left with her, would be meaningless.
Bronx Cheer...
by JimmyJoe RedSky
Apr 27th, 2007
10:42:17 PM
ny(manhattan) is a dinosaur gasping for air - a city where living comfortably (with or without kids) is getting harder and ridiculously more expensive each year - for no other reason than the fact that property owners are free to charge out the ass for rent - its no longer enough to get rich and live comfortably, everyone wants to get filthy rich at the expense of the working poor and middle class - as much as i liked being there, i moved out of their 2 yrs ago and dont regret it - its a city thats easier to visit than to live in (unless you make at least 100k a yr) - deckard is not a replicant - scott theorized that he could be, in jest - he never stated that he definately is - there is no reason in making him one - if he is one, it didnt make him a more effective cop - which could be the only reason to make him one - hunt the superior prey with an equal predator - he is human and very flawed - if he is a rplicant, the movie wouldve served itself well to drop even the slightest hint - ive seen it countless times and there is none - he is human - thats what makes his love for rachel so poetic - she isnt human(technically), yet she is still more "human" than deckard - i stand by my assertion - how can one love movies/cinema and not love blade runner - it fires on all cinematic cylinders - direction, writing, design, acting, fx etc. - let me rephrase the statement that prompted you to call me ignorant - blade runner is a movie made for "good" movie lovers by a "good" movie lover - if someone doesnt like it, its a question of taste (not quality) - its a genre movie and a genre defining movie - and its over a lot of peoples heads - even if they "get it" but still dont like it, its because it requires a patient viewer that likes to linger on scenes the way scotts camera does (scenes where there is very little action, like a lot of kubrick) - different taste - not for everyone(mass consumption) - hey, i get why some dont like it, it just surprises me that some self described cineasts dont - if this opinion makes ME ignorant, so be it - i am in bliss
Who cares what Ford says? Deckard is a rep.
by Bronx Cheer
Apr 27th, 2007
10:53:59 PM
Explain those red eyes then. And the fact that Olmos knows his dreams. If I were directing Ford as Deckard, and I wanted a solid humanistic performance, I would never tell him he was a robot. That would screw everything up. You can't argue taste or opinions. There is no list of films that cineastes must love to join the club. Some of the people I have talked to that did not care for the movie found it dull and it did not engage them. It's personal preference. Just because people dislike it does not mean you can't enjoy the living hell out of it.
Lovecraftfan, no Deckard wasn't a replicant in the book
by ExcaliburFfolkes
Apr 27th, 2007
10:57:11 PM
He also has no particular love or empathy for the replicants he kills, either. For those who haven't read it, in the book Deckard mainly takes the job to collect the bounty on the replicants' heads so that he can buy a real live sheep that he wants to keep as a pet (real pets are a rare and expensive luxury in the future and most people have robot ones). This also explains the rather peculiar title, "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?" The author is asking: if a human, Deckard, dreams of a live sheep, do androids dream of electric sheep?
The book, if I recall correctly, was ambiguous about
by kabong
Apr 27th, 2007
10:58:36 PM
how many of the six rogue replicants Deckard retired. Not that it matters, since the movie changed a lot of stuff.

Now I'm going to add my PKD books to the re-read pile.

Bill Clay, I don't get your logic.
by Bronx Cheer
Apr 27th, 2007
11:01:17 PM
One of the key points of the film was who gets to decide who is human, or alive, or deserving of living. If Deckard is a Rep and runs away with the fembot, that is a clear statement supporting one of the central themes of the film. Why shouldn't they try to carve out a little happiness? Who cares if they weren't borne of a womb? They seem sentient to me, and that means they deserve a shot at a life. Hell, Roy was broken by Pris' death. Why was that, because he liked her programming? As for rooting for people, if I can root for the robots in Star Wars, I can certainly root for Deckard the Replicant. Why is he more sympathetic just because he's human? Did you watch the movie? His being a Rep is a major thing, and it makes the film interesting! If he's human, then it's just a film about a legal hitman. If he's a Replicant, then it carries a much heavier load. Again, explain the red eyes. That doesn't happen by accident, not in the movies.
The movie is not the book. Period.
by Bronx Cheer
Apr 27th, 2007
11:06:46 PM
You can't make Dick's books into movies. The closest I've ever seen was "A Scanner Darkly." It got some of the mania and paranoia dead on. The film took few pains to make Deckard likable. Him wanting a sheep would have been charming, but for what Blad Runner was, the protaganist coveting a sheep would have been a little freaky. Now if he was Gene Wilder...
I've always loved the name Blade Runner.
by ExcaliburFfolkes
Apr 27th, 2007
11:09:46 PM
It conjures up such an amazing array of fascinating images. And it adds something that supposedly the phrase comes from French slang for an executioner who operates the guillotine.
I wasn't saying the book was the movie.
by ExcaliburFfolkes
Apr 27th, 2007
11:12:37 PM
They aren't at all the same, and are about 180 degrees apart in tone and theme. Lovecraftfan specifically asked a question about the book and I answered it.
bronx cheer, the red eyes...
by JimmyJoe RedSky
Apr 27th, 2007
11:17:23 PM
humans (like all mammals) have that red(or yellow) eye thing - like when a flash bulb is used with a camera, or a dear in headlights - replicants have it too, but theirs are white and more reflective(more noticeable, even in decently lit rooms) - i think thats what some saw on deckard, normal "red eye"(i dont remember seeing it, i should watch the movie for the 101st time i guess) - does gaff know deckards dreams? - because he made the paper unicorn? - the only reason deckard took notice was that it was a unicorn - it creeped him out - could gaff have access to deckards psyche records? - is gaff a mind reader? - coincidence, thats all - gaff also made a paper chicken and a toothpick guy with a boner, what does that prove - what dream of deckards were those in - gaff just has a talent for making miniatures out of trash - can someone definitively explain where and how it is played out in the movie that decks a replicant? - convince me - im intrigued
Okay, here is Ridley's take on it
by MrMojok
Apr 27th, 2007
11:22:39 PM
http://tinyurl.com/3y75gc Comments?
Deckard kills all six replicants in the book, plus he
by ExcaliburFfolkes
Apr 27th, 2007
11:26:52 PM
...kills his police partner, who it turns out is a replicant, and he kills Rachel when she turns up at his home and kills Deckard's newly purchased sheep.
If the director says that Deckard is a replicant.......
by wackybantha
Apr 27th, 2007
11:26:56 PM
...who am I to argue? I like the 1992 so-called "Director's Cut" better than than the original which does not hint that he might be a replicant until the little unicorn scene right before the "lets drive away happily" scene. However, a friend of mine feels that he liked that we were never told straight out whether he was a replicant or not because not every question needs to be answered. He thinks that Ridley Scott answering the question took something away from the film no matter what the answer was. I tend to agree with him. ON ANOTHER MATTER, someone up there said that Deckard being a replicant made his heroics and final years with Rachel meaningless or something. I disagree. I think that one of the points of the film was to ask ourselves if these genetically engineered beings (NOT ROBOTS, in my opinion) were human or not? Why or why not? What is a human? These replicants were flesh and blood too. If I were a slave as they were, would I rebel? Did they deserve the same rights as all "natural" humans? The movie A.I.:Artificial Intelligence posed similar questions although they were robots. It all leads me to wonder at which point does a creation become a living or human being. Are cloned animals "real?" Would a real world human clone be considered a human? So many questions that I don't have the answers to but like to think about. WAKE UP. TIME TO DIE.
JimmyJoe
by MrMojok
Apr 27th, 2007
11:37:17 PM
It has been a while since I saw the film, but if I recall the famous scene with Ford has his eyes glittering kind of greenish-blue. Not the same as redeye from a flash. It definitely looked like it was added in post-production.
Wikipedia has a lot of info on Blade Runner.
by kabong
Apr 27th, 2007
11:40:18 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B lade_Runner

The studio wanted Dick to write a novelization aimed at 12-yr-olds, but he declined the $400,000.

Red-eye effect does not happen with movie cameras
by Bronx Cheer
Apr 27th, 2007
11:42:00 PM
It is caused by still camera flashes illuminating the retina of the eye before the pupil has time to iris down. If a character in a motion picture has red pupils, then it is intentional. I'm too tired to go on about this, maybe I'll come back tomorrow and bore more of you, but a few quick blasts...if Deckard belongs to the cops, so to speak, then I am sure they would have some knowledge as to his programming. That does not require programming. Ask yourself why that origami figure had a penis. What did that little man represent? Perhaps something Deckard was not? Did it signify the attachment he was developing toward Fembot? If he's human, he lives a pretty shitty life. Roy's lived more than Deckard. As the bots Reps show more human qualities, perhaps Deckard's bothered by it, worried maybe he's killing humans...etc. If tne creators of sentient creatures have rights to decide whether they live or die at the exclusion of the wishes of their creations, how is that any different than my parents deciding to kill me when I start misbehaving? Hey, they made me! They brought me into this world, and they can take me out of it. That's what the Rep makers are doing, and it's wrong. Believe whatever you want. I think the film is much richer if Deckard's a rep. If he's human, then he's just a sour pissy alcoholic repo man, and he bores me.
Gaff isn't exactly a mindreader, but...
by ExcaliburFfolkes
Apr 27th, 2007
11:43:20 PM
...he knows Deckard's dreams and memories because he has been told them by the Tyrell Corporation. The scene with the paper unicorn and Deckard's unicorn dream is a parallel of the earlier scene where Rachel wakes up from a dream while dosing in Deckard's apartment and Deckard starts telling her all the details of her dreams and memories which she has been programmed with, dreams and memories that actually belong to Tyrell's niece and that Tyrell told Deckard about during his visit to the company. At the end of the movie when Deckard finds and picks up the paper unicorn, he recognizes it from his own dream and makes the connection that he too is a replicant and that Gaff must have been told Deckard's programmed dreams and memories the same way Deckard was told about Rachel's.
"That does not require programming".....
by Bronx Cheer
Apr 27th, 2007
11:46:06 PM
should be "does not require mindreading." Goodnight all.
One last thing...
by Bronx Cheer
Apr 27th, 2007
11:46:33 PM
DECKARD HAS COSMPIC POWERS
Batty's death scene means more...
by Bill Clay
Apr 27th, 2007
11:52:21 PM
...when he's showing a human the value of an artificial life, not preaching to a fellow replicant. Deckard as an alleged replicant just kills so much of the power of so many scenes. Ridley Scott had that plot point dead wrong.
book stuff - spoilers
by cyberskunk
Apr 27th, 2007
11:57:06 PM
ExcaliburFfolkes, wait, what? About Deckard killing his police partner, are you talking about the person who coldly killed an android before she had time to compose herself -- Deckard was going to give her more time? I thought Deckard tested that guy and Deckard in turn was tested by him and they were both humans... I am thinking of someone associated with a bunch of androids pretending to be police, but he was real. Or maybe he had another partner you were referring to? I don't recall Deckard killing Rachael... I know he had sex with an android who had sex with him in order to get him not to kill more androids and then he couldn't go through with killing her.

(one wikipedia visit later...) Wikipedia says Deckard threatened to kill her but wavered, and the police guy I mentioned turned out not to be an android... http://tinyurl.com/y86l4c

The Narration
by Alfred_Packer
Apr 27th, 2007
11:57:08 PM
I think the narration is endearing to many people because for quite a few, it was their first experience of ever seeing of movie with a detective voiceover. Sure, after all these years and widening your experience with other films in that genre, its easy to dismiss it, but for myself and Im sure many others, it IS the Blade Runner we know and love, and we miss it. The DC is great, sure, jump in , the water's fine, but I'm glad to hear we're getting it the orginal theatrical cut in the package, and I expect that version will get spun a lot more in this house.
WTF???
by moviemaniac-7
Apr 28th, 2007
12:02:12 AM
I am travelling around the world, but a few times a week I check up on movie news - AICN is one of the sites I check for it. I normally don't comment while travelling, but this... Blade Runner is one of my all time favourites (ranks #5) - leave it the fuck alone! I grew up with the 'original' cut, fell in love with the DC and now they are going to shoot additional material - 25 years after the movie was made?? Listen, I can handle that Lucas re-does his OT every few years to shake some money out of your pockets, but Blade Runner... Besides 2001 THE most influential sci-fi movie ever made, in my humble opinion. But, still, I will pick up the 20-disc DVD release whenever it comes out with EVERY SINGLE CUT on it, with all the documentaries and candid, honest interviews (the one I am looking forward to is the dual interview with Scott and Indy). Ah... wishfull thinking...
Bill Clay, Roy thinks Deckard is human, so nothing
by Bronx Cheer
Apr 28th, 2007
12:05:40 AM
changes in the emotional charge of what he's saying. And this is a key point here...it doesn't matter whether Deckard is a Rep or a human, because both are sentient beings. Don't you see that the crux of the film is how we think of the Replicants, and you are falling into the trap the humans in the film fall into. You disregard Deckard's "humanity" if he is a Replicant. Why? If anything, the struggle of the Reps to live is a clear indication of their nascent humanity. Life always finds a way; even if it's artificial life, it's still life.
Ultimately, though, this is the most crucial point
by Bronx Cheer
Apr 28th, 2007
12:07:30 AM
Deckard is a Replicant. Deckard is a Replicant. Deckard is a Replicant. Deckard is a Replicant. Deckard is a Replicant. Deckard is a Replicant. Deckard is a Replicant. Deckard is a Replicant. Deckard is a Replicant. Deckard is a Replicant. Deckard is a Replicant. Deckard is a Replicant. Deckard is a Replicant.
more book stuff
by cyberskunk
Apr 28th, 2007
12:08:42 AM
Or maybe this was Deckard's partner? I have a dim memory of someone showing a laser weapon to Deckard and then asking why it won't fire, and Deckard says he's carrying (whatever) which produces a sine wave(?) that disperses the laser beam into harmless light, and the android says, "In that case, I'll have to wring your scrawny neck" or somesuch.

Movie trivia, a friend of mine said the noodle cart person at the beginning was saying something like, "Four is too much! Please understand."

Clay, the only people who know Deckard is a Rep
by Bronx Cheer
Apr 28th, 2007
12:10:30 AM
are the cops and the Tyrell Corp. So how does that kill the scenes? He's a human as far as everyone else is concerned. The poor bastard doesn't even know who he truly is. Sort of like many humans.
Spider-Man 3 scenes posted
by Nerdboy1423
Apr 28th, 2007
12:13:49 AM
check em out before they're gone! http://www.metacafe.com/watch/ 536532/new_spider_man/3_scenes
I wish I had my copy of the novel nearby to check.
by ExcaliburFfolkes
Apr 28th, 2007
12:22:04 AM
Looking at the Wiki stuff you linked, it appears I may have confused Garland (