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Fox Tows DRIVE
To the Scrapheap!!

Terrible decision by forceofgravity	Apr 25th, 2007 06:46:10 PM
I was hoping they'd at least let it run the season, maybe give some closure to the storyline...
AH HA HA HA by spidermanfreak20	Apr 25th, 2007 06:46:29 PM
Wow AH HA HA HA.....Bring back Firefly man. If they do one episode per new pulled pilots on the air we'd have a finished season for Firefly on Fox already.
Well that ran out of gas fast! by Triumph poops!	Apr 25th, 2007 06:47:03 PM
Oh, come on, someone had to say it. Let the bad puns begin!
Well, guess I don't have to invest in this show now by oh_riginal	Apr 25th, 2007 06:49:58 PM
I DVR'd the pilot, and every episode since... and have yet to watch them. I guess I should just delete them and move on, or risk frustration if I happen to really enjoy the potential of the show.
Fucking Ridiculous by Shivv	Apr 25th, 2007 06:51:34 PM
It wasn't the best show in the world, but it was entertaining and the acting was pretty good. Nathan Fillion deserves better, as do the rest of the actors on the show
You can't do a show about driving cars.. by ShogunMaster	Apr 25th, 2007 06:53:56 PM
Unless it's Knight Rider!! They totally need to bring back the HOFF! (jk)
THE SWAN 2, BAYBEE! YOU KNOW YOU WANT IT! by Pennsy	Apr 25th, 2007 06:56:15 PM
Coming soon on Fox; just you wait. :{ Memo to Tim Minear: Never pitch a pilot to Fox for the rest of your natural life again.
I don't trust 'em to even show the last 2 by Triumph poops!	Apr 25th, 2007 06:56:17 PM
First of all, I don't even trust that Fox will air the final 2 episodes that they do have in the can. Anyone remember JUSTICE or VANISHED? In the case of the former, I believe they never bothered to show the unaired episodes they still had -- though I could be wrong. Maybe I lost count and they did burn them all off. The problem with JUSTICE is that Fox said they were going to retool it and bring it back, and I've never heard a word after that. As for VANISHED, which was a freakin' mystery for crying out loud, Fox didn't give 2 shits about its viewers and simply said "You want to see how what it was REALLY all about? How it ends? Fine, go online. We'll put 'em up there. But we're not going to bother eating up any more air time with this dud." Which brings up my final question: I thought this was greenlit through 13? I can understand Fox saying "Hey, we're losing SO much money that we don't want you guys to even bother shooting the other 7", but IF they do show the final 2 in the can, will they be drastically reedited to show SOME kind of wrap-up ending? Or is this just another class Fox TV case of "You watched it, you're screwed!"
I feel ill by fatsackowind	Apr 25th, 2007 06:57:04 PM
ugh, Fox is so tiresome. I hope this is Minear's last, and he starts pursuing work with a cable network where he can unleash his pent up fury. Get outta there Tim!!!!!!!!
The Inside by fatsackowind	Apr 25th, 2007 06:58:35 PM
and where the hell is my dvd box set already!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well this proves one thing . . . by Larry of Arabia	Apr 25th, 2007 06:58:40 PM
never create a cool high concept show with Nathan Fillion. I hope the poor guy doesn't get stuck in lame Sci-Fi Saturday movies for the rest of his life.
I'm sure they have another season of by ShogunMaster	Apr 25th, 2007 07:00:17 PM
'Beauty and the Geek' sitting in the can somewhere. Don't worry, they will fill the timeslot with some quality. I have to wonder if anyone wants to Marry a Millionaire?
Not to pile on, but our favorite dolls are getting a by Pennsy	Apr 25th, 2007 07:03:57 PM
2nd season. Because YOU DEMANDED IT, the Pissycat Skanks will be back on the CW: http://cwtv.com/thecw/pcd-cas ting
Fox: If It's Not A Bullshit "Reality" Show, It's Gone! by FilmCritic3000	Apr 25th, 2007 07:04:46 PM
Well it's been said before and it'll be said again so let me be the one to say it... FUCK FOX. If something doesn't immediately get "Karaoke Contest" ratings, it's out the door. Idiots.
Where's the Online petition that nobody will sign? by Pound Sand	Apr 25th, 2007 07:05:08 PM

I guess Drive went down a dead-end. by Pound Sand	Apr 25th, 2007 07:05:42 PM

Memo to Fox: by slapshot	Apr 25th, 2007 07:06:02 PM
I am a geek. I love action movies/tv shows. I love a good chase scene. Guns, wrecks, shit blowing up? I am SO there. Loved everything I saw in the previews for this show... the look, the actors, the creative team. I am your target audience for this show. And I didn't watch a single minute of it. Why? A few reasons: Lone Gunmen. Firefly. VR5. Harsh Realm. Kitchen Confidential. Mantis. The Tick. Futurama. Reunion. Space - Above and Beyond. Wonderfalls. The Adventures of Brisco County. Sliders. Titus. Profit. NEED I GO ON??? With the exception of X-Files and the Simpsons, you have killed every single show that I liked on your network, most just like Drive, cancelled four or five episodes in. After Reunion (a limited series, f'r dog's sake), I swore off Fox permanently. Your new shows bomb because we have gotten sick to death of finding and liking a new show only to see it murdered by Fox a few weeks later. We don't watch you anymore, and we're never going to again. Quit trying.
Nathan Fillion by Fabulous Freak	Apr 25th, 2007 07:06:04 PM
This poor bastard is like television kryptonite. Its a shame, he's good.
THIS YEAR'S LITTLE MISS CANNONBALL RUN by Pennsy	Apr 25th, 2007 07:06:26 PM
We hardly knew ye...
Pennsy by ShogunMaster	Apr 25th, 2007 07:07:10 PM
Wow, I can't believe they read my letters!! I have a lot of love for the idea of hot chicks slutting it up on stage, if only to raise my lust levels to max. But doesn't that concept demand that at least one of the bitches is hot? It's like jerking off to the naked chicks in National Geographic.
Screw Fox by Heresy	Apr 25th, 2007 07:08:49 PM
I guess I really can't be surprised when they cancel something worth watching.....at least they now have a spot so Sangina can have his(?) own show.
FOX can go suck a dick. I mean really. 3 episodes??? by Zauriel	Apr 25th, 2007 07:08:49 PM
Drive had great potential for a new serialized drama, and I was set to add it to my list of other fave serialized dramas, Heroes and Lost. But noooooo ... Fox has to fucking ruin another good thing. What the hell is up with their track record for cancelling new series so damn fast?! Don't even get me started on Reunion ... Poor Tim Minear. I remember meeting and interviewing the guy about 10 or 11 years ago when he was the shining star in an otherwise abysmal group of writers tackling Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman. He wrote the best episodes of that show, hands down, and I'm happy to see him creating such good stuff. Too bad Fox has to wank all over it.
Wow, Herc sure knows how to pick 'em by memento108	Apr 25th, 2007 07:08:55 PM
Andy Richter, Studio 60 (on its way out, most likely) and now this.
You forgot the [sarcasm] tags there, Shogun... by Pennsy	Apr 25th, 2007 07:10:03 PM
;) This POS show got more viewers in its Wednesday rerun than its Tuesday original episode. And then they had to do a Sylar and fry everyone's brains by airing it a THIRD TIME on Sundays. The frack did we do to deserve this?? sighs
It's too damn bad. by filmicdrummer17	Apr 25th, 2007 07:11:52 PM
Would have made a heck of a summer show. Damn you, FOX!
It wasn't meant to be sarcastic by ShogunMaster	Apr 25th, 2007 07:15:14 PM
I totally mailed the Pussy Cat Dolls for a second season. Didn't everyone else?
Team up Nathan Fillion and Andy Richter by jimmy_009	Apr 25th, 2007 07:15:23 PM
No, but seriously, team up Nathan Fillion and Andy Richter. There's got to be some sort of cosmic force at work here. Put the two of them together and see what happens. I'm thinking a buddy cop show where they're CSI investigators who work out of the D.A.'s office and get tapped to do a reality show where they lose weight and sing.
TESF, it seems they're actually grooming Ricky... by Pennsy	Apr 25th, 2007 07:17:20 PM
to replace Kiefer, which would be about as boneheaded a decision as Ruth traded to the Yankees. Oh the hugh-manatee if that were to happen in season 7. :\|
Here's an idea: by jimmy_009	Apr 25th, 2007 07:19:00 PM
Just cancel 24 so they can stop rehashing the same garbage over and over again!
You know filmicdrummer17, I think you're right. by tonagan	Apr 25th, 2007 07:19:09 PM
Drive would have made a great summer series. What else is there, the 4400?
Just joking there, Shogun... by Pennsy	Apr 25th, 2007 07:19:21 PM
For the first sentence. Didn't everyone just get the warm and fuzzies when McG said this at the press conference announcing the first season of this tripe: "At its core, this show goes beyond just finding a new Pussycat Doll; it's about female empowerment, self-discovery and personal transformation." LMFAO. :D
Saw last week's ep by chance, enjoyed it. by Freakemovie	Apr 25th, 2007 07:19:59 PM
Not the greatest show ever made, but like a previous poster said, would've made a great summer show. I know the ratings were horrible, but Fox really didn't give it any kind of chance after they saw the first few numbers. I know he's still mostly known to geek circles, but even EW said it recently -- Nathan Fillion really deserves to be a star, and find a good project that sticks.
Minear's Battered Wife Syndrome... by DanielKurland	Apr 25th, 2007 07:21:50 PM
Just stop fucking going to FOX. I hate getting attached and then a show getting cancelled. The most painful was probably with Miracles. Their last aired episode "Hand of God" basically set up the whole direction for the show, and then it was gone.
They will never replace Keifer by ShogunMaster	Apr 25th, 2007 07:22:26 PM
Keifer is already signed for the next 3 seasons of 24, plus the movie. He is the only person that can't be replaced. Ricky will likely be the character that needs his arm chopped off at the end of teh season. Or maybe Jack will off him when he tries to kill one of the baddies that Jack needs to interview. I just hope that Chloe dies soon. Chouldn't they get a hot chick to run that position; instead of someone that pouts like a duck all the time? Bring back Elisha as some field agent/stripper and the show will be perfect.
I swore off FOX too but by leesheri	Apr 25th, 2007 07:22:39 PM
Fillion signed a 5 year contract with them and I adore him. I figured if he could forgive them so could I. Maybe Waitress will do really well in theaters. Then Adrienne Shelley will get the recognition she deserved and Nathan will be given more movies.
ARGH by GregoryHarbin	Apr 25th, 2007 07:23:49 PM
What IS is with this midseason? I was really starting to love Drive. I hope Minear has learned his lesson. Best take his next pilot to ABC.
This is "Smith" all over again. by GQtaste	Apr 25th, 2007 07:24:28 PM
Never watched the show. But I sure did watch "Smith." I'm still pissed off about that one.
The problem is by jimmy_009	Apr 25th, 2007 07:24:52 PM
They want every show to have an audience like American Idol, and if it doesn't, then it's a failure.
This is weak, Homes! by Prof. Pop-Cult	Apr 25th, 2007 07:25:01 PM
Maybe the producers can re-edit episode 6 to wrap things up in some way (albeit it would probably be a weak effort, but at least it would be something).
Tim Minear, the king of the 13-episode series: by newc0253	Apr 25th, 2007 07:27:42 PM
Firefly, Wonderfalls, The Inside, and now Drive. i read an interview with him following the cancellation of The Inside where he joked that he was happy to keep being given money by Fox to develop series that only ran 13 episodes, but i reckon he's gotta be so pissed by now it ain't funny. It sucks ass that shows like Drive get cancelled fresh out of the gate but drivel like One Tree Hill keeps getting renewed year after fucking year.
Are you friggin KIDDING me?!? by Acappellaman	Apr 25th, 2007 07:29:03 PM
Damn, but these shows need to produce fast to please the studios now. Drive was a fun show! No, it wasn't perfect and would need some parts of it massaged a little, but it was quite enjoyable. Poor Nathan Fillian just cannot get a break. He's a good actor, and easy to connect with. One of these days he'll find something that works. This just sucks.
Slapshot... by Larry of Arabia	Apr 25th, 2007 07:29:57 PM
You forgot Arrested Development. Nothing like pissing off the team of Brian and Opie by trashing their pet project. I have got to wonder how they think they will make any long term money on Game Shows licensed from other countries. Is "Meet Your New Mommy" going to make FOX any money in the ancillary market?
Memo to Pussycat Sluts producers on season 2's search. by Pennsy	Apr 25th, 2007 07:32:55 PM
Just go to the nearest strip joint, wait 5 minutes, find the trashiest dancer there, and your search is over. See how easy that was?
They're NOT grooming Ricky - Sutherland SIGNED UP by Triumph poops!	Apr 25th, 2007 07:33:58 PM
I have no idea if they want to groom Ricky to become the new Tony on 24 (who I still hope will magically be resurrected somehow someday) but they're certainly not REPLACING Keifer with Ricky anytime soon... "Fox Television's top-rated series 24 is secure for three more years, as its star Kiefer Sutherland has signed an 8-figure deal to continue with the show through May 2009. The deal makes Sutherland one of the highest-paid drama actors on television." http://tinyurl. com/2n3te5
I swear, with on GOD, with this messageboard by SylarTheCylon	Apr 25th, 2007 07:33:59 PM
as my witness, that I will never watch another FOX series on my telefunken in my life.
Sylar is a Cylon? by Pennsy	Apr 25th, 2007 07:36:40 PM
But is he the Cylon God? ;)
Official Fox DRIVE site by chromedome	Apr 25th, 2007 07:38:46 PM
had broken character bios links from day 1--just routed you to other shows, instead of bios Probably they stopped all maintenance of the site BEFORE it even aired.
Pennsy by ShogunMaster	Apr 25th, 2007 07:39:40 PM
You forgot to tell them to hit stripbars in places like Moncton. There is no point in risking getting a good looking girl in the lineup. Maybe they could combine some of the winning shows? "Which Geek will Survive to Marry a Pussycat Idol?" Doesn't that sound great!?!? I mean, it's no 'Surreal Life', but what is?
Rules for FOX viewers by chromedome	Apr 25th, 2007 07:40:16 PM
1) Fox doesn't care about you 2) Fox will screw you over every chance they get 3) Never EVER pay attention to a new Fox show until it is well into its second season 4) Watch other networks at every opportunity 5) Support Sponsors of Shows that are given a fair shot (these will NOT be on Fox) 6) Post your concerns on Message Boards, sign petitions for your own venting, but see rule 1 above 7) Minear should read these rules. ANYONE ELSE BUT FOX, TIM!!
frak fox by RokurGepta	Apr 25th, 2007 07:40:17 PM
I'll have to admit that whilst I like Drive, it wasn't Supercalafragalistic, but it DID have potential, and just like Firefly, and countless other shows, FOX did not even give Drive a chance in Hell. It's almost like they planned for it to fail for the sole purpose of using it as a tax write off. For Christs sake two weeks in April is an absolute Joke, it's cruel and not so unusual for Fox though. I think the execs at Fox Hate Minear and Fillion. On a slight Tangent of a subject, I heard way way back that a possible remake of Evil Dead was going to be made...and since I heard they wouldn't be using Bruce "The Chin" Campbell... Wouldn't Fillion make a Great Ash? I probly just got myself a few thousand haters for that suggestion but shrug what can I say I less than 3 Fillion as an Actor, I want to see him in some brilliantly successful projects.
Damn..even Fastlane got a full 22!!! by jojo-pimp	Apr 25th, 2007 07:41:54 PM
Minus bill bellamy, that was a pretty badass show! Fox sucks my asshole..all they want are reality shows cause thats all anyone watches!
And have Flava Flav be the host of it, Shogun. by Pennsy	Apr 25th, 2007 07:43:25 PM
Must-puke TV would follow.
No respect for viewers anymore. by Ironmuskrat	Apr 25th, 2007 07:44:05 PM
Fox is certainly the worst offender, but by no means the only network guilty of selling viewers short with their quick cancellations. The big networks don't seem to realize the viscous circle they are creating. They want new shows with big rating right out of the gate and if they don't get them within the first 10 or so episodes they drop the hammer. Viewers keep getting burned investing time in shows that get canceled in mid stream with no resolution to the story. Viewers get gun shy about new shows and don't tune in, new shows get low ratings. That is why the "lesser" cable networks like FX, USA and Sci-Fi are getting my attention now. They don't seem as fixated on high ratings and are more likely to keep a new show around for at least a full season.
Now, I gotta start following my own rules by chromedome	Apr 25th, 2007 07:44:32 PM
May stop watching 24 just on general principles. Is there anything else on Fox worth a damn anyway? Unit--CBS BSG, Stargate, Dresden--SciFi Heroes--NBC Office, Earl--NBC Fox does have HOUSE, which is good, and the lamest ever season of 24. beyond that? they got nothin....
Well, Mischa Barton was in Fastlane, so that's OK. by Pennsy	Apr 25th, 2007 07:45:12 PM
See, Fox; when you sent Barton to the unemployment line, you killed off The O.C., which was a good show...once.
Yes!! THAT IS PERFECT!! by ShogunMaster	Apr 25th, 2007 07:46:02 PM
All shows need the FLAV!! In all honesty, I'd love to see Mr. T have a big comeback show. I'm tired of all the jibba jabba that Fox is putting out lately, but the T could turn it all to perfection. Drink Milk Fool!
nooooooooooooooooooo by SaintX99	Apr 25th, 2007 07:46:53 PM
no, goddamn it, no! What a great show, what a waste!
do you remember... by mr ahole ramirez	Apr 25th, 2007 07:50:08 PM
...when Fox had Xfiles, Simpsons, Married wit Children, Melrose Place, etc on the air in the same year...I wonder what ruined Fox...
Fox fucks the viewers once again by Toby___Wong	Apr 25th, 2007 07:57:01 PM
The show was promising.Fillion rules, Amy Acker rules (even if she wasn't present that much) and yet Fox sees trouble.
I don't think this concept had much mileage... by DarthCorleone	Apr 25th, 2007 07:58:29 PM
Most of the scenes were characters sitting in a car talking to each other. How long were they going to draw that out? Inevitably the race would end. Do they reach the finish line at the end of season 1? Then what? I watched an episode of this and thought it was o.k., but maybe the reason I wasn't hooked was because I didn't imagine any way the writers simultaneously could reach a satisfying conclusion and continually drag it out for an indeterminate number of seasons. That leads me to my proposal. Why does everything have to be a series? Why not package some concepts as 13-episode events? You have enough time to make something a little more involving than a four-hour miniseries, and you can tell a real story as opposed to a serial that might never finish or just another cookie-cutter show with its legal case/medical affliction of the week formula. That way we know that we'll get a natural end to the story and not be tortured by the X-Files/24 staying-too-long-after-the-par ty's-over syndrome. If a network had the guts to do a few of these well and leave the audience wanting more (maybe from the same core writing/directing/acting troupe), you could really have something. And I bet the DVD sales would have a lot of potential.
If it weren't for 24, I'd never watch Fox by skitch	Apr 25th, 2007 08:05:52 PM
And even with that show, they're skating on thin ice...this year's whole story arc has been just a hair short of ridiculous and that's disappointing considering how good it was last year. But they're not the only ones...ABC tends to do the same thing with superior shows...anyone remember Cupid, Eyes and Miracles? But what's really sad is that the public has little or no interest in these...unless someone's being voted off an island or belting out a crappy tune, the attention span of the average American is nil. Minear and Fillion deserve a lot better.
Netwurks eye Heart, & the shows by RokurGepta	Apr 25th, 2007 08:06:01 PM
How do I put line breaks into a talkback comment? Sci-Fi --- BSG, Stargate, Dresden, Eureka, Doctor Who. I wish they had made The Lost Room into a series instead of a Mini. USA --- Monk, Psych, Deadzone, Fox --- The Winner (cancled?) , Family Guy, House, Bones, Prisonbreak CBS --- The Unit, Criminal Minds CW --- Smallville, Supernatural, Veronica mars NBC --- Heroes ABC --- Lost
Raise your hand if you're surprised. by CatVutt	Apr 25th, 2007 08:06:08 PM
Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? I was willing to go along for the ride, but as I mentioned in the other TB, during the last episode I was way too conscious of how nicely things moved along when Fillion was on screen, and how things came to a screeching halt when he wasn't. This was never destined to be a great show anyway. Oh, well. I'm not crushed, but unlike Minear's unintentionally hilarious "The Inside", I certainly thought this one had a decent chance to become something I'd look forward to.
DARTH! YES! by chromedome	Apr 25th, 2007 08:07:35 PM
I have long been wondering about that--why not tell a complete, closed story in 13 or 22 episodes? Why do mini-series have to be so limited (4-8 hours)? Who would want to watch people drive a road race for 5 seasons--nobody! But a tight story that resolves loose ends and closes the book in one season--sweet. There are lots of stories that are suited for a single 22 episode run. How about a GREAT CAST that does one such story arc per season, and then RETURNS for a second season, doing an entirely different story, playing entirely different parts? Like a theatre company! As Long AS it is NOT on FOX. Fox should forced to air a Network ID tag every 30 minutes, with a bell ringing and a Leper with Fox Branded rags for clothes, shouting UNCLEAN UNCLEAN! bastards
as charlie would say "Shocker" by Mr_X	Apr 25th, 2007 08:08:21 PM
the writing was on the wall with the 6 episode "break" some fox exec is obviously fucking with another fox exec and trying to screw up thier pet project and play politcs and we the view are left with nothing. Drive had potential, nathan fillion does deserve better and so does tim minear, try working on a network that respects you, enough with the battered wife syndrome what i can belive is that 24 gets 3 more seasons. 7 seasons max people. this ones a stinker already. do you really wnat to alientae your viewers? oops too late. the only thing i ever watch from fox is house. that's all you have fox, you keep dumping on your viewers, all you're left with is a huge steaming pile of shite
Fuck you Fox by Purgatori	Apr 25th, 2007 08:08:35 PM
Fuck you up your stupid asses. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!
I HATE FOX by JediShaft	Apr 25th, 2007 08:08:37 PM
I think that "Fox" should become a adjective for "creating a highly praised show, only to cancel it to spite yourself." So once again they pull a Fox.
How the hell did Prison Break get a second season?!? by ShogunMaster	Apr 25th, 2007 08:09:41 PM
I'll concede that the first season was fun to watch. But that whole second season felt like desperate filler. I think it's funny that a concept show like that made it through a whole season out of 'Prison', yet all the other concept shows can't make it beyond the character intros...
In all fairness, though by skitch	Apr 25th, 2007 08:09:47 PM
Fox did promote the hell out of Arrested Development and it never saw ratings...of course moving it around like they did with Family Guy when it was first on probably didn't help. I almost want to give up on tv and just look at my old viewmaster discs...at least I know they'll be around for a while.
Fuck FOX... This show was great. by modlight	Apr 25th, 2007 08:10:42 PM
Great concept, fun show, lots of room to grow. Oh well. I liked Smith too. Whatreyougonnado.
FOX can suck it by ls420	Apr 25th, 2007 08:12:17 PM
Im still pissed about Firefly, The Inside and a few other quality shows that they shit on. Drive wasnt the best,but it was UNIQUE and not another medical or lawyer clone. Fun popcorn summer show. I hate that Nathan signed that 5yr deal with FOX, they will probably stick him hosting yet another USELESS "reality" show.
Fox can suck my substantial nutsack by keyserSOZE	Apr 25th, 2007 08:13:25 PM
honestly, what the fuck? the ratings weren't great, but they weren't HORRIBLE...something between like 6.0-7.0, at least in the premiere week...unbelievable that they just REFUSE to give shows a chance. FOX, you fucking suck. once 24 is gone, i honestly don't know if i'll EVER watch FOX. not everyone likes the American Idol type of bullshit, you assholes. some of us enjoy REAL shows that provide actual entertainment. and why, for the love of god, would you cancel this show NOW, when we know there is NO chance for us to ever, ever, ever even get a conclusion since they never even started filming on the final seven of the year? unfuckingbelievable. fuck you, FOX.
I second jedi by leesheri	Apr 25th, 2007 08:14:11 PM
it seems appropriate.
RokurGepta by ShogunMaster	Apr 25th, 2007 08:14:29 PM
To insert a line, you need to type < p > without the spaces.
Purgatori by Purgatori	Apr 25th, 2007 08:15:21 PM
BTW they are reshowing eps of House on USA. You can watch it on there or you can just download them from somewhere. I'm so sickened right now I could puke. 4 fucking episodes??? 4???? And you can it?? OMG...I hate you all. Heroes is the only thing decent left on TV, and NBC should give thanks to every God they can think of they have it.
The Big Picture by newkie brown	Apr 25th, 2007 08:17:47 PM
Doesn't make any sense, even from a cold-hearted, its-only-business point of view, does it? The big picture is that all these cancellations cumalatively serve to piss off the viewers and make them weary of commiting time to any new show. If I was Rupert Murdoch, I would be bending over the executives in charge of programming and inviting them to justify all the cancellations, and suggesting that they are hurting the brand. Good shows that fail to find an audience suggests a marketing and advertising strategy that's failing rather than reason to cancel.
You know what really sucks? by TheRevengeOfBayouWilly	Apr 25th, 2007 08:20:10 PM
Fox is doing really well, it seems. They're beating NBC, and maybe even ABC as well. You're problem isn't with execs. They're interested in making money. If The X-Files makes money, that's great! If World's Deadliest Douchebags makes money, hell... that's great, too. You see, our problem is mainstream America, and the fact that we'll never be a part of it. Most people would rather see fat guys with hot wives than dysfunctional families with a closeted actor and pot-stealing magician... 'tis true.
ABC tried a limited run show by Shivv	Apr 25th, 2007 08:22:11 PM
It was called Day Break (aka Black Groundhog Day). It was a decent show and ABC pulled it halfway through its 13 week run during the Lost hiatus. They burned off the rest on their shitty online video player. I just don't understand why, if the episodes are already shot, they don't just air them. Is there some extra cost for airing them? I would think they've already paid for the episodes anyway. Anyway, this is the second season in a row where 24 lost me about 10 episodes in, and if it weren't for House and Prison Break I don't think I would ever watch Fox.
"acclaimed" Herc? by Dollar Bird	Apr 25th, 2007 08:28:03 PM
By who? Just you? All the talkbackers who are outraged? Every review of this show I read said it was either fun, but dumb or flat out dull. I hardly call that acclaim, but if you're into liberal* definitions, okay. I liked the idea, but every time I tried to watch the show I got bored and flipped to PBS of all things. This would have been a better movie. (Because the plot ideas only been used about a dozen times—c'mon Hollywood, squeeze some blood from that stone!) *I don't mean politically liberal.
House should Leave Fox at the next opportunity by chromedome	Apr 25th, 2007 08:28:46 PM
Since Fox has clearly decided to be Lowest Common Denominator Television, and House will get the axe too, if they try to stay there much longer.
Grooming Ricky to be the new Tony? by PirateEmery	Apr 25th, 2007 08:32:35 PM
I thought Tony was going to be the new Tony... "Get into the car, Jack, there's something I need to tell you." -last line of Hour 24, from an as-of-yet unknown "oh shit" character.
Damn by IJUSTLIKEMOVIES	Apr 25th, 2007 08:33:29 PM
I thought the show was good, but wouldn't last a season. This was still a shocker.
Thank you Shogun Master by RokurGepta	Apr 25th, 2007 08:42:09 PM
test Does anyone know if a Show called Saved, I think it was on FX, will be back or was it canceled? What do you guys think of The Riche$? I heart it!!! < P > test
I used to think scrap heap was spelled "scrapeep" by Doc_Strange	Apr 25th, 2007 08:42:44 PM
Funny but just like this show thought it spelled "hit", I guess not.
all hugh and kiefer by blacknoi	Apr 25th, 2007 08:46:35 PM
...since house and 24 are the only 2 shows that will survive that aren't reality based. And who wasn't happy that the Jack Sack returned this week? :)
ugh by sharpie	Apr 25th, 2007 08:50:19 PM
well thats stupid. they made a huge mistake from the beginning by showing the pilot once then the night after that showing the second episode, if you missed the first episode 2 days later u were already 2 episodes behind and nobody(aside from me and some people who download shows obsessively) are gonna go find those and catch up.
FRAK FOX! by RaveX	Apr 25th, 2007 08:50:30 PM
and frak CW if they go on with canceling VM!
WHAT?!? by veritasses	Apr 25th, 2007 08:54:13 PM
Idiots!
DAMMIT DAMMIT DAMMIT!!! by Shepard Bauer	Apr 25th, 2007 08:54:41 PM
I love this show! :-(
SCREW FUX! I'M DONE! by fanboy71	Apr 25th, 2007 08:55:36 PM
Although 24 is one of my favorite shows on TV, I will sit the rest of this season out (it has pretty much blown chunks anyway), and maybe download it illegally after it airs. (So FUX will not profit from me buying the DVD.) I would urge all of you who are pissed about FOX's treatment of anything that isn't reality TV DRIVEL to join me in boycotting the FUX network also.
Not surprising....... by Jimmy Jazz	Apr 25th, 2007 08:57:33 PM
But Jesus, couldn't they have given it a thirteen episode run, or something? This show was not a masterpiece, but it held my interest and Nathan Fillion is one of the only true stars to emerge in the last decade or so. THe guy deserves to be A-listed. In fact, I really liked the cast they put together. Ah well, I hope the monkeys at Fuxx are happy. 24 has sucked this season. The only thing they have got going for them is House. They are well on their way to be the "ALL KARAOKE AND CANDID CAMERA BULLSHIT ALL THE TIME!" network. Like VH1 or something. Pathetic.
Once more with ratings by Boffin	Apr 25th, 2007 08:58:26 PM
It happened again. This is a sad day. I guess it's "Pussycat Dolls" and "Are You Smarter Than A Fifth Grader?" from now on. I mean why even bother watching the scripted stuff when you know it'll only be around for 3 weeks? Seriously Fox, @#$% you guys! You are ruining the quality of entertainment in this country. Your only decent show ("24") is but a heartless imitation of itself these days, and now you cancel the fourth series from Minear in almost as many years. Sad part is: for all our griping right now... the execs do not give a crap. They are still rich and powerful, and we are still bitter and angry. The only way things might change is if everyone boycotts Fox, but what are the chances of that? All those mindless "Idol" drones make sure it never happens. Thanks for killing televison, reality fans.
They did advertise the hell out of it, but... by torpor_haze	Apr 25th, 2007 09:00:49 PM
even I who was going to watch even before Fox picked up the pilot had to make an effort to remember it when its going to air. This show wasn't even a mid-season replacement. I think we're way past mid-season. People we're already locked in to their favorite shows this season and are waiting finish up the season. Fox made an effort, we all could see that, but their timing was terrible. The only thing I can think of that happened was as someone else mentioned earlier, the execs didn't see eye to eye on this.
Bring Back Profit! by ArcadianDS	Apr 25th, 2007 09:07:02 PM
That show ruled all. Maybe when Heroes sours, we'll get us a Profit reboot.
As soon as they quoted Herc in the TV ad... by Alonzo Mosely	Apr 25th, 2007 09:08:31 PM
the show was over... It was more than the kiss of death, it was the 3rd base of death...
and one more time... by RaveX	Apr 25th, 2007 09:11:01 PM
FRAK FOX, FRAK THEM IN THAT GIGANTIC ASSHOLE OF THEIRS, FRAK THEM UNTIL IT STARTS TO BLEED, UNTIL IT STARTS TO BLEED LIKE THAT ELEVATOR IN SHINING BLED!!!!!11
Bring back Herman's Head!!! by Phillyflopper	Apr 25th, 2007 09:16:28 PM
Or better yet, "Mantis"! Maybe they could have brought in a Galactus cloud to save the show.
The show sucked by Razorback	Apr 25th, 2007 09:19:50 PM
Wake up.
"Hey, it's time to dick Minear around again!" by YotzVonFrelnik	Apr 25th, 2007 09:21:45 PM
I swear these executives made a deal ten years ago to give this guy projects and then sadistically trip up his horse when it's barely out of the chute.
Minear=Charlie Brown / FOX=Lucy by YotzVonFrelnik	Apr 25th, 2007 09:24:12 PM
Talk about a case of "I'll hold the football, Charlie Brown, and you come running up and kick it." Yeah, Tim, we'll let your show have the time to build, sure. This time we promise. Maybe the CW will gather orphaned talent like Tim and bring them home.
NIPPLES ON GALACTUS=FOX ON KEEPING DRIVE ON THE AIR by Pennsy	Apr 25th, 2007 09:30:24 PM
For its entire run.
also by RokurGepta	Apr 25th, 2007 09:32:50 PM
I just realized that Minear did Wonderfalls too, i HATE FUX even more now because I fraken loved Firefly, and Wonderfalls so Gawd damned much. 24 sux this season, i swear every season there has been a god damn spy on the CTU team, and it looks like there is a spy this season as well. This has been the worst season, and I hated the last 2 seasons as well, it can only get worse. I think it's funny they are waiting till the show is over to make the movie... I think by the time the show is over, it will have sucked donkey nuts so much that the entire fanbase will be non-existant. I like House, but the show is not going anywhere, there is no real story arc. What little story arc there has been has only lasted like 4 or 5 episodes. House almost went to jail because of that Cop. Houses ex-wife came to work for the hospital. Dr. Aussie richkid, and Dr. Rainbow Emoheart fraked each other, and Dr. Emoheart broke Dr. Aussie Richkid's heart. these tiny arcs are weak.. Where is the show going. I mean how many patients have had necrosis, and how often do they go search the patients house for something, how many black jokes can house say to the brother..... The show can be funny occasionally, but generally it just seems like the same shit just re-wrapped and given back to us over and over again. Am I wrong? Prison break .... season 1.... I loved seeing how his tattoo and all his pre-planning played out. But Season 2 ... on the run was pretty lame... I have a feeling season 3 will suck even more. I'm starting to doubt if FUX has any shows that I actually like any more. Tell me again why NBC has the lowest ratings? Everybody please boycott FUX. Tim Minear please grab Fillion and go work for ABC, FX, Sci-Fi, or HBO. Hint* Sopranos is over after this season, so HBO needs a new great show. god I think I'm becoming re-addicted to talkback. Hey RaveX I like the way you said things
Backlash for Sanjaya? by Darth_Nader	Apr 25th, 2007 10:02:58 PM
Did the online community tick off FOX too much? It seems nowadays with Fox, if a show costs $500k to make, unless it brings in 2x that it's gone. Oh well what's next? America's Hottest Nun Strippers?
Fuck you Fox.... by Merlox	Apr 25th, 2007 10:05:12 PM
die in a fire
Mutherpussbucket!!!! by VicSage	Apr 25th, 2007 10:06:29 PM
Some sumbitch HAS to die. Glad Heroes wasn't on Fox.
FOX SUCKS!!!! by WASPFAN	Apr 25th, 2007 10:09:08 PM
Quality TV will never survive on the networks because crap like DEAL or NO DEAL can get 10 million viewers at 1/10 the price of a show like Drive -- It is all about money in the TV world of 2007 -- no respect for viewers AT ALL!!!
Please Gawd Kill American Idol by RokurGepta	Apr 25th, 2007 10:10:12 PM
said with a british accent "If any of you fraks watch american idol...." BOYCOTT American Idol PLEASE Kill American Idol, Kill the World.. I mean Kill American Idol, Kill Fox
Save Tim Minear shows, Save the World by RokurGepta	Apr 25th, 2007 10:13:07 PM
nuff said
The final 7? by MaleSheep	Apr 25th, 2007 10:15:19 PM
So Fox is dumping episodes 5 and 6 on some Friday in May. But what's going to happen to episodes 7-13? I thought I read that they were already in production on the last seven episodes.
that was fast by Shakes	Apr 25th, 2007 10:22:09 PM
You know I wrote this show off initially but then the weekend it aired all the reviews said it was actually worthwhile. So I recorded the 2nd episode but I've yet to watch it. This just really doesn't make any sense. I don't know how the ratings were, but I didn't hear anything the next day in regards to it getting really bad ratings ala Grindhouse and ticket sales. And usually even with bad ratings Fox gives stuff 5 or 6 airings. There has to be something political with this.
in production does not mean they have started lensing by RokurGepta	Apr 25th, 2007 10:24:58 PM
if a plot synopsis for an episode was printed on a piece of paper, then production for that episode was "in production" damn it some frak in my house is watching idol gives back, and i just heard something funny "if everyone that voted for sanjaya donated one dollar" LOL LOL LOL so if everyone that voted for sanjaya would watch Minear shows like Firefly, Wonderfalls, Drive....
Terri hatcher looks like by RokurGepta	Apr 25th, 2007 10:27:00 PM
Michael Jackson
RokurGepta by TheHichhiker	Apr 25th, 2007 10:29:27 PM
Saved(TNT)is not. It is gone. Too bad, it was a pretty good "Rescue Me" knock off. As for Drive, it is ironic that cancellation of probably one of the worst of Minnear's shows pisses us off the most. Maybe because each show has been dumbed down from the last and at this point it's on the par with shows like Lost and Prison Break, and it would have been a success if given half a chance. Can't say they did not try to advertise it, but at the same time, the ads ran for months just saying "coming soon" - so when it came, everyone thought its long since came and went. But if they are smart, they'd finish off the first 13 and put them on DVD. If the sales are decent, make more straight to DVD. Fuck fox, fuck networks in general, just sell us the crack directly. Who am I kidding, FOX would rather loose money than allow that.
Acclaimed? by EyeofPolyphemus	Apr 25th, 2007 10:33:28 PM
Didn't most critics say it was so dumb, you could only watch it by slipping all your brain cells a mickey?
Jesus Christ... by Tenguman	Apr 25th, 2007 10:34:09 PM
I hadn't even sat down to watch the tivo'd episodes yet. Now I'm not sure I want to cuz I won't be able to finish what I'll start.
This show...... by rockne	Apr 25th, 2007 10:35:18 PM
Sucked bad! It was poorly written, poorly acted...throw a popular "fanboy" actor into a terrible pilot, the "fanboys" will follow it like cattle to the slaughterhouse...and bitch when Fox does the right thing with a TERRIBLE show.
There's only one person to blame here... by dejectedgeek	Apr 25th, 2007 10:38:22 PM
And that's Bill O'Reilley.
GOD DAMN!!!! by Rumpel Tumskin	Apr 25th, 2007 10:39:45 PM
I HATE Fox! They fucked up Sliders and it has all been downhill from there.
Every show I liked this season got cancelled!! by polyh3dron	Apr 25th, 2007 10:39:47 PM
Except Heroes.. Kidnapped, Studio 60, The Black Donnellys, Day Break, The Nine and now Drive?? WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK?? FUCK NETWORK TV!!
Will the DVD gods please put Drive on DVD by RokurGepta	Apr 25th, 2007 10:40:10 PM
Every friend I force to watch Firefly and Wonderfalls love the shows, and most people don't remember them ever being on the air at all. I really hope All of Drive that was filmed, even if it is only 6 episodes, makes it to DVD, I'd probably buy it. I have so many canceled tv shows DVD complete series it's not funny. everybody collects something right? well, I collect DVDs
Ridiculous premise, as usual. by kabong	Apr 25th, 2007 10:40:52 PM
Joining a cross-country race in order to find his missing wife!? As for whatever was good about the eps shown: scenes, however good they may be for snappy (by 12-yr-old-kid standards) dialogue or acting, do not make a series work. The whole package has to be nailed down, especially characters and story arcs. But Hollyweird persists in the belief that if some clown who blew his way into the biz can make an entertaining pitch, then the series will work.
someone actually liked Day Break? by RokurGepta	Apr 25th, 2007 10:42:26 PM
i personally thought it was TERRIBLE
Oh well... by plastroncafe	Apr 25th, 2007 10:42:50 PM
...at least I won't feel bad ripping this one off the web. Fox has made a pirate of me.
WASPFAN by TheHichhiker	Apr 25th, 2007 10:45:31 PM
"no respect for viewers AT ALL!!!" Why should they respect the viewers? They are doing what is good for their business. But the point is that their business is NOT producing good shows. Their business is selling ad's. Making shows, good or bad, is an annoying byproduct of that. If they can make a show for less money and sell same commercials, that is ALL that matters. This is why I've been trying to advocate a direct-to-consumer business model for show producers. Bypass the networks and start a new business model, based on something like music industry(I know, i know, thats a different conversation). Make the product be the SHOW, the consumer be the VIEWER. This has NEVER been done with television in US and until recently was not very practical. There are a few pioneers in this coming up now. For example there is a new direct-to-video Babylon 5 anthology series coming up ("B5: The Lost Tales" , just went up on Amazon pre-order, last Ichecked #5 most popular DVD). BUY IT. I don't care it you love or hate Babylon 5, I STRONGLY urge you to buy it. Why? Because this may just pave the way for the viewer oriented future of the TV shows we want.A future where shows that are popular don't get canned before they are even shown
I fucking told you by Osmosis Jones	Apr 25th, 2007 10:45:36 PM
Look for "Drive: The Complete Series" coming to DVD in a few months.
What I'd like to see? by Valebant	Apr 25th, 2007 10:46:43 PM
A crossover with House and 24. Or just swap Hugh Laurie and Kiefer Sutherland's roles for one episode... that'd be something.
Valebant by RokurGepta	Apr 25th, 2007 10:52:31 PM
LOL!!!!! YES!!!
Shivv..re: Day Break by DarthCorleone	Apr 25th, 2007 10:53:07 PM
If a slightly longer miniseries was the intent of Day Break, they didn't do a good job of letting the audience know that. The advertising might have indicated that it was a limited run, but I swear it also felt like they were contradicting themselves in saying that it was a new "series" as well. There certainly were no blatant indications that it was a story that would be told completely in those 13 episodes. As such, I wasn't even interested in giving it a chance, because - once again - it was a premise that I didn't think lended itself to series television.
Well damn by Kraken	Apr 25th, 2007 11:06:54 PM
I guess I can erase the episode from this week off my dvr now. Oh well, it seemed like a groovy little show, but I'm not going to watch something like that, that I can't know the ending to. They should at least do a mini series to wrap it all up. It's an interesting premise.
AMEN GQTASTE by supermarch	Apr 25th, 2007 11:07:23 PM
FOR GOD'S SAKE FIRE EVERY TV NETWORK EXECUTIVE RIGHT NOW. THIS IS THE WORST STATE TV HAS EVER BEEN IN.
Just because show starts with an ongoing story arc by Style_92	Apr 25th, 2007 11:11:39 PM
doesn't mean we are owed the show to not get cancelled just to see how it turns out. if it's a turd, it gets flushed.
Damnit! by Bungion Boy	Apr 25th, 2007 11:20:30 PM
I should have known. I'm not really surprised. It wasn't a great show but it was a good show. It entertained me and had a good cast. What does Nathan Fillion have to do to get a break? I'll miss it.
If Nathan Fillion or Minear by RokurGepta	Apr 25th, 2007 11:25:15 PM
slept with Tom Cruise or joined the church of Scientology their careers would skyrocket.
Wonderfalls. by CatVutt	Apr 25th, 2007 11:31:31 PM
Hold on...let's not confuse the issues here. DRIVE absolutely should've gotten a CHANCE. But its cancellation is not nearly the absolute abomination that the shaft Wonderfalls received was. For the vast majority of people who actually invest the time to watch the series, Wonderfalls is an absolute joy, something that has begged the question 'Why did I not know this was on?' more than any other series I can think of. Ultimately, in a few years, I honestly think Minear will find a home at HBO, but that may be just me wishful thinking.
Such bullshit. Fuck YOU FOX! by JohnnyS2	Apr 25th, 2007 11:33:05 PM
That is all!
About Day Break and limited runs by Shivv	Apr 25th, 2007 11:33:15 PM
The problem with Day Break, and the idea of limited run series in general, is that networks want to put high rated shows on the air. If they do a limited run series and it is a success, they will want to extend it to make more money. They promoted Day Break as a new series, as opposed to being explicit about its limited run, because they left themselves room to extend it if it had good ratings. It would have been a smart move if it had turned out to be a great show. Again I ask though, why not give Drive two more weeks to turn it around? If the episodes are already in the can and bought by Fox, they should have some incentive to give it a chance to succeed.
It shouldn't have been cancelled. by DerekDanger	Apr 25th, 2007 11:34:57 PM
FOX is absurd. This is why they only have a handful of shows anyone even watches.
Direct-to-DVD and download... by Prof. Pop-Cult	Apr 25th, 2007 11:40:47 PM
Hichhiker is right. The studios should explore the idea of producing and selling new TV series episodes directly to the viewer -- not just through DVD, but also through online. Imagine buying the latest episode of the Babylon 5 spin-off from iTunes or through Xbox Live. However, the trade-off is that without ads, most of these shows would only have 6 episodes per season, if that. Thus, we should think of these shows along the British TV series format, in which most scripted shows get 6 episodes per season. (So under these parameters, we could say Andy Barker, PI had a full season with 6 episodes.)
Why don't they try and do Vampire: The Masquerade by Doc_Strange	Apr 25th, 2007 11:46:18 PM
Only do it right this time and don't fuck with the mythology. And don't call it Kindred: The Embraced becuase no one knew what the hell they were watching, no keep the original title as Vampire: The Masquerade so people actually have a clue. Oh yeah and bring back Stacy Haiduk. She was one hot redhead vampire. Another cool thing they could do is bring in people who are like the ones from the video game Bloodlines. That game rocked!!!
I'm eternally thankful for... by RokurGepta	Apr 25th, 2007 11:46:19 PM
The movie Serenity
Douchebags! by slampana	Apr 25th, 2007 11:48:46 PM
What the hell are they thinking. The only 2 shows I have ever liked on Fox are Firefly and Drive. Those douchebags wouldn't know a good series if it punched them in the shriveled balls. I honestly feel bad for Nathan Fillion. He is a great actor and continues to get crapped on. We need an anti-Fox channel that does nothing except finish the series that they canceled. I am pretty sure it would become the most watched channel on TV.
sad by slkboxrman	Apr 25th, 2007 11:48:54 PM
it does follow the pattern of networks cancelling good shows, even shows with good ratings.... and to contradict some ass that said that it didnt have appeal since it had low ratings.....ratings have little to do with how long a network runs a show..look at ANGEL, had its best ratings ever in its 5th season and the WB cancelled it....in contrast i wouldnt be surprised if it was cancelled because it was getting an audience and fox was nervous it would get renewed and they couldnt put on one of their rediculous reality shows on...do we really need a 2nd season of pussycat dolls, how many dolls are there gonna be, unless another is dropping out...its retarded, not empowerment
Slampana by RokurGepta	Apr 25th, 2007 11:50:51 PM
if you like Firefly and Drive, I IMPLORE you to go rent or borrow or download do whatever you can to watch the tv series Wonderfalls.
also by slkboxrman	Apr 25th, 2007 11:52:46 PM
them airing unaired episodes online, watching the rest of daybreak was like watching it on TV, they were putting new episodes on weekly and i had to wait almost a month to see the finale....which didnt really answer anything....also fox never put the ending of vanished online, just left it hanging and the viewers that were watching it....drive was good, not perfect, but i think it was hitting its stride, and fox cuts the legs out from under it, typical...but we get 24 up the ass and im sure that show hasnt been good since the 2nd season
Shivv... by DarthCorleone	Apr 25th, 2007 11:53:49 PM
Yeah, I understand the ratings-maximizing reasoning behind it. I just think there could be some great, satisfying stories told in a limited format. The reason they're reluctant to air the two episodes is the same thinking. Yeah, they're in the can, so it doesn't cost any further money for production, but they think that whatever they air in its place will draw more viewers/advertising dollars. So effectively that is just compounding the loss.
I don't understand how a re-run of house... by RokurGepta	Apr 26th, 2007 12:03:02 AM
could draw more viewers or sell more commercial time than a new episode of Drive
The Firefly movie sucked ass. by JKrow21	Apr 26th, 2007 12:07:10 AM
I never once saw the show despite hearing how great it was from everyone else. Either way, I decided to see the movie and it was a complete shit fest - and this is coming from someone that likes Babylon 5 and Star Wars. I couldn't stop laughing when those cheap looking zombie creatures started pouring into the room. Terrible.
What do you guys think of by RokurGepta	Apr 26th, 2007 12:07:38 AM
October Road? The Riches?
I saw the 2 hour pilot for Babylon 5 by RokurGepta	Apr 26th, 2007 12:08:30 AM
but I never watched the Series
Fillion needs his own show on FX by S-Mart shopper	Apr 26th, 2007 12:11:00 AM
or put him on Rescue Me, they got the funny and the drama.
the ratings were just aweful by lotusblade	Apr 26th, 2007 12:17:55 AM
but that is likely to do with having it debut on Sunday, then episodes on Monday. If it had debuted on Monday.... well we may never know. Every Network cancells shows, and some extremely fast. FOX looks stupid for Firefly, which sold a whole lot of DVDs. If Minear was smart he would go to NBC which sounds like it will be keeping Friday Night Lights a horrible show with horrible ratings because the press liked it. NBC i think is dead last in ratings too.
re: FX by IJUSTLIKEMOVIES	Apr 26th, 2007 12:20:04 AM
Now there's a Fox network that doesn't know when to pull the plug. Nip/Tuck and The Once Promising Police Drama That Sucked After Season 3 And Really Bit It When Forrest Hammed Up A Role That Should Have Lasted 6 Episodes have been on long after the creativity wells dried up.
Fillion for Preacher on HBO by Boondock Devil	Apr 26th, 2007 12:22:23 AM
He might be a little bit old for the part but I think he'd make a pretty decent Jesse Custer.
You know what the definition of a hero is? by Captain Mal	Apr 26th, 2007 12:36:57 AM
Someone who gets other people killed. You can look it up later.
This is why American TV pisses me off by Brody77	Apr 26th, 2007 12:42:03 AM
You lot swing the axe like an untrained child, never content to let shows find their feet, or their audience. You cancel stuff mid season, 4 episodes in, ruin cracking storylines.... need I go on? Do you not commission a certain amount of episodes of something before cancelling it?
don't forget, Fox killed Doctor Who in 1996... by lynxpro	Apr 26th, 2007 12:55:34 AM
Spent $5 million making the tv movie, then decides to air it with the highest of astronomical ratings expectations in the most competitive week of the 1996 May Sweeps, up against NBA basketball, baseball, and a cliffhanger episode of "Roseanne", instead of choosing to air it the week before instead of the throw-away flick "Tornado" that got monster ratings against no competition. End result? Fox threw away a hit series just so a throw-away flick could get beter ratings. Even Bruce Campbell and Ernie Hudson couldn't save that krap film that still airs on USA from time to time. I get cheesed off every time I see the name of that flick in the programming guides and just steam over the fact that we had to wait 9 years for the cheap-ass BBC to finally get off their duffs and bring the series back (essentially) on their own (not counting those playhatas at the CBC). But personally, I blame Rupert Murdoch.
rediculous premise or not... by Evil Hobbit	Apr 26th, 2007 01:11:04 AM
it is a fun ride, cool, fast, nicely shot. A typical Fox show and a great summer flick. This is a realy bitchy move of Fox.
ABC killed Night Stalker 2 seasons ago... by lynxpro	Apr 26th, 2007 01:11:54 AM
...just as it was getting good, and they killed it before completing a two-episode storyline. Sure, they did post the second part on iTunes later (and not for free) and the DVD set showed how much promise that series had. "What's the Frequency, Kolchak" was damn fine writing. But of course, ABC has killed other promising shows before, like Cupid...or that show with Gina Gershon...
Sigh. by xsi kal	Apr 26th, 2007 01:28:58 AM
Of all the recent run of Minear shows, Drive was the one I thought had the best chance of lasting out the season... not because it was the best, (it was not, by any means), but because it seemed like it had enough elements to appeal to the moronic mythical viewing public that somehow rules our ratings system. Cars? Check. Hot women? Sure. Hot guys? My wife thought so. Action? yep. Humor? A bit. It was not a great show, but it was entertaining, and the potential to grow into something even more so, once it found its voice. So much for that. Minear clearly needs to make his next project a reality show. And I'll stop looking for compelling stories on network television.
Nighstalker sucked donkeyballs by RokurGepta	Apr 26th, 2007 01:31:07 AM
nuff said
meh by lionbiu	Apr 26th, 2007 01:52:57 AM
I am sorry but the show was dumb as hell....I downloaded it and thought it was just stupid and dull and the premise could not be stretched out so long. This s where british TV beats american TV....we know the limitations of a good show and it will only get a average of 6-9 episodes per season.
stoopid FOX! by CrusherJen	Apr 26th, 2007 02:07:11 AM
Like others here, I'd hoped to catch up with Drive, even taped the premiere... should've seen it coming. After all, I've all but stopped watching network television due to my favorite shows getting the axe in favor of lowest-denominator bullcrap, and FOX has been one of the worst offenders. (Heroes is the only thing I follow these days. It isn't Shakespeare, but I enjoy it.) I should've known better than to think FUX-- um, FOX would stand by something that sounded even halfway original (even if it wasn't the sharpest crayon in the box.) I'll remember this next time some commercial catches my eye... if it's on FOX, I won't even bother tuning in. Is there any chance some cable channel will pick this up, if only to air the 13 episodes commissioned? Wishful thinking, I know. Ah well, hope Fillion and Minear have better luck next time, they both deserve it.
Shit! by Obscura	Apr 26th, 2007 03:07:26 AM
First show since lost ive actually got hooked on from the start. how could they cancel it to fast? they just dont seem to give anything a chance. if its not a hit right away, abandon it. they could have at least had a season of experimentation and turn the show into what Fox wanted. Fox are a scared and paranoid and often cruel company. Fillion is great as always.... and possibly the only person id be with ok with if they ever DID replace Kiefer
What I don't get... by Sledge Hammer	Apr 26th, 2007 03:55:52 AM
Is why any network would greenlight any show, spend much money on doing a pilot (and in Drive's case, two pilots), and then not at least completely film a full twelve episode (half)season. I mean sure, even if it's a dud, what use is shutting down a show after four, five or six episodes? You do that and there's never going to be any opportunity to make any money from the show from that day on, but you do a full season, regardless of ratings, and then you can at least profit by selling the show internationally in foreign territories, playing it on cable, selling it on dvd and through iTunes, and so on...and you never know, maybe it'll even start picking up viewers if given a little bit of time to pick up steam, and if people know that they're going to get a full (half sized) season at least, making it worth their time to watch, even if it never goes beyond that first season effort. But no, apparently network tv is still all about the shortsighted cut & burn tactics at the first sign of less than stellar ratings, and it's not just fox either. And in years past this strategy would have caused long running, much beloved shows like MASH, The X-Files, Stargate SG-1, Taxi, Hill Street Blues, Cheers, Seinfeld, Star Trek: The Next Generation and many more to never have had a chance to become the massively popular tv powerhouses and revenue earners that they all eventually blossomed into. I seriously think more networks need to take the cable tv approach, start every new show out as a solid 12 or 13 episode order, and see where things go from there. But burning shows, as well as the viwers that spent their time investing in these new shows, it's a no win situation for all concerned. I mean think about it, every time they short shrift a new show by pulling it so soon all they really do is piss off the viewers who did invest in the new shows, and make those viewers even less likely to give the next new show a chance. And when those viewers don't give the next new show a chance because they figure it'll only get cancelled after a few weeks anyway, then of course it does get cancelled, because no one watched it, and so the merry-go-round spins on. Crazy illogical shit.
TV shows I'd like to see re-imagined by RokurGepta	Apr 26th, 2007 03:57:51 AM
on a gritty channel like FX, or HBO Planet of the Apes the TV series written by Tim Minear starring Bruce Campbell and Nathan Fillion as two astronauts stuck in the future War of the Worlds the TV series written by Tim Minear Starring Nathan Fillion as the main Hero
speaking of Heros by RokurGepta	Apr 26th, 2007 04:00:35 AM
Nathan Fillion should work for NBC on Heroes, that would by SHINY
Winston Salazar: One role the Hulkster could never play by polyh3dron	Apr 26th, 2007 04:01:05 AM
Think about it. "Get in the car, homes, brother!".... It doesn't sound right.
God Damn It! by RobFromBackEast	Apr 26th, 2007 04:04:36 AM
Fuckin bastards. I liked this show, if Studio 60 goes as well i may implode from repressed anger.
Right on schedule. by The Selecter	Apr 26th, 2007 05:08:36 AM
Make no mistake, Drive isn't a big loss, and it would have been nice to see them finish the run, but they're not going to keep a loser on during sweeps. So with Kiefer's new deal, does that mean his screen time will be inversely proportional to his salary, as has been the trend lately? If so, save everyone the trouble and save all his scenes for hour 1 or 24, so we all know which episode to watch and avoid the crap that the rest will be.
whats it about? by dr.bulber	Apr 26th, 2007 05:22:13 AM
bwahahahaha!
Man, poor Nathan Fillion just can't catch a break. by Lezbo Milk	Apr 26th, 2007 05:54:53 AM
It's to damn bad, the guy has a charisma you can't deny. I think he would be a great leading man, and a better action star than Cruise, Cage and Willis combined. I enjoyed Drive...even though it was preposterous. FOX needs somebody at the helm with enough balls to make a descision and then fucking stick with it for a while. Somebody grow a pair for Christ's sake.
Here they go again by WILPOWER	Apr 26th, 2007 06:06:32 AM
Andy Ricter Controls the Universe, Wonderfalls, Firefly and at one-time Family Guy. All great shows to get cut by Fox. But they kept married with Children for 28 years? Simpsons for 112? If not for House, that Network would be unwatchable.
Nathan Fillion as Inidana Jones by deviloki	Apr 26th, 2007 07:04:32 AM
just replace the aging Harrison Ford for good old Mal and in a blink whatever show he makes will be a hit
I really want to see... by RokurGepta	Apr 26th, 2007 07:09:15 AM
Nathan Fillion and Bruce Campbell work together
speaking of Indianna Jones by RokurGepta	Apr 26th, 2007 07:11:49 AM
is Shia Lebouf gonna be Indiana Jones Jr.? or just another sidekick like the kid from Goonies?
Problem is, on Fox... by Kid Z	Apr 26th, 2007 07:26:33 AM
... There are really only two programs: American Idol and Not American Idol.
I FUCKING HATE FOX!!!!! by beefywhore	Apr 26th, 2007 07:27:16 AM
That is all.
Thank god by jae683	Apr 26th, 2007 07:37:53 AM
Thank god the guys running Fox now weren't around when X-Files premiered. As I recall that first season was touch and go, but they gave it a chance to find an audience. Gee, what a concept.
This show was good by indyjonez100	Apr 26th, 2007 07:49:55 AM
My wife and I watched all th episodes and Monday's was great. Better than a lot of the shit on TV right now, Two and Half Men anyone, anyone?? Anyway, why can't they have it as a summer show?
"ABC killed Night Stalker 2 seasons ago..." by RaveX	Apr 26th, 2007 08:17:09 AM
actually, ABC killed Night Stalker 32 seasons ago...
Please let Tim Minear take over AMERICAN IDOL... by SpyGuy	Apr 26th, 2007 08:20:55 AM
...so we can swiftly and finally put that piece of crap down for good. Time to use Minear's series-killing powers for good instead of evil.
TOTAL BULLSHIT - FUCK FOX by Cletus Van Damme	Apr 26th, 2007 08:26:38 AM
Original premise, decent action and acting...and this happens?
I will say that the "latino" bad boy got old fast... by Cletus Van Damme	Apr 26th, 2007 08:27:20 AM
...right "holmes?" Ugh.
Is Fillion... by mcknicker	Apr 26th, 2007 08:27:49 AM
the next McGinley?
Did they even air a complete episode? by INWOsuxRED	Apr 26th, 2007 08:33:36 AM
Another reason to not watch FOX. First they air Drive, giving me a reason not to watch...then they cancel it after a couple of airings, which is another reason not to watch. They don't give shows a chance.
Okay, What the Fuck. Guess it's official now... by CrichtonAstronut	Apr 26th, 2007 08:39:27 AM
Fox netork is the ultimate commitment-phobe. Seriously, four episodes. They cancel after FOUR episodes. I thought Firefly got shorted. This is ridiculous. It's like they already decided to cancel it before it even aired. Has someone in Fox got a grudge against Tim Minear. Did he screw up the curve for the CEO on Finals and knocked him out valedictorian, made him have to work his way up from happy meal vendor or that cubical job Hiro had before getting superpowers. I just don't get these guy, why even run a show if your not gonna run it any longer than that. I hope they at least put all the filmed episodes on the DVD set. Hell, I hope they at least have a DVD set. And isn't time America got past this reality tv thing, it was cute how for awhile, the way folks were into it, now it's just embarrassing. PS: You're right Trik. They could've had that dude from Prison Break say "German Engineering in the house."
Hey hey hey Motha fuckaaaa by kilik777	Apr 26th, 2007 08:40:13 AM
As in the words of the 40 yr old virgin. That news does indeed piss me off. I knew I shouldnt have wasted my time and invested in the show. I thought the show was just starting to catch a groove. Another awesome show thats down the shitter like John Doe, Invasion, and countless others. http://tinyurl.com/pv8do
Fox fags flinch and fuck Fillon forever! FUCK! by cromulent	Apr 26th, 2007 08:42:46 AM
Hopefully now he can try out for Jesse Custer in Preacher.
I often forget... by Childe Roland	Apr 26th, 2007 09:07:03 AM
...that House is even on Fox. It just seems like something a better network would air. Oddly enough, FX (Fox's cable bastard child network) runs two of my five favorite shows on television (The Shield and Rescue Me) and one of my guiltiest TV pleasures (Nip/Tuck). So I can't be completely irritated with Murdoch & Co.
Like I've written before, what did you guys expect? by Mr Incredible	Apr 26th, 2007 09:18:15 AM
Fox kills a lot of stuff before giving it a chance to develop an audiance. Just like the other networks. It's a shame, but true.
Dark Angel by I-am-Dr-Remulak	Apr 26th, 2007 09:37:27 AM
Dark Angel
Should've pitched it to NBC. by CrichtonAstronut	Apr 26th, 2007 09:54:17 AM
They even let The Black Donnellys run longer than four episodes. And ths had far more potential.
The truth has been spoken on here... by Dwide Shrewd	Apr 26th, 2007 09:56:09 AM
The networks DO NOT care about you. They make millions on cheap-to-produce reality SHIT. Why would they change something that's working? For the sake of ART?! lol. Fucking suits...
It's all about executives covering their butts. by kabong	Apr 26th, 2007 10:39:38 AM
Greenlight series, cancel series, hype stars, wreck stars, lie, cheat, steal, occasionally turn out something audiences enjoy--it's all the same to the suits, so long as they survive one more day in their jobs.
Yeah, I learned my lesson by tcovil	Apr 26th, 2007 10:42:37 AM
Doesn't make sense anymore to invest time in a supposed serial that recent history shows us is likely to be yanked. I did that with "The Nine" and "Kidnapped", but not anymore. And you know what? A lot of other people are taking the same approach. We don't watch it, because we're afraid it'll be yanked early. Because we don't watch it, it gets low ratings and is cancelled, thus becoming self-fulfilling. But what else can we do?
horrible chiche characters by Autoclave	Apr 26th, 2007 10:43:18 AM
Yeah, thinking about it last night I realized just how annoying every character but Fillion was. Crazy mom and psycho chick, annoying. Father and daughter, annoying. AWOL marine and his wife, annoying. Godfreak Katrina survivor and hottie, annoying. And if gangbanger said holmes one more time... Not one of them did I have any sympathy for.
"Supertrain" Lasted Longer Than "Drive"! by uss cygnus	Apr 26th, 2007 10:49:54 AM
...Must have been because Supertrain had an on board Disco.
BRING BACK ROME by JKrow21	Apr 26th, 2007 10:52:12 AM
goddamnit
Trik - the Nazi line killed me ... by ironpony42	Apr 26th, 2007 10:54:38 AM
Sadly it was the Nazis at Fox who lead this one to the gas chamber. I only saw the ep where Fillion gets handed a Bad Ass Challenger by a shady cop. As a Mopar guy I cheered and wept at once. I love seeing classic Mopar muscle cars in the spotlight, but then wondered how many of these cars would be destroyed in production. Tarantino recently killed a couple Challengers filming Grindhouse. I try not to hold it against him. HOLLYWOOD - QUIT KILLING MOPARS TO MAKE TV/MOVIES! Ok, moving on... I got exposed to FireFly when my brother passed me a few discs, and it still boggles my mind why great shows like this can't make it in a world with 300+ channels. A show doesn't have to be on "network" TV to be a success. This show should have been on FX from the start.
Guess I can delete it off my TiVo now by Alphi1	Apr 26th, 2007 11:13:19 AM
Count me into the list (I already saw at least 3 posts like it here) of people who have the show TiVo'ed/DVR'ed who probably won't even watch it now - why invest time in something that will likely just end in a cliffhanger with no resolution ever. Nah. Guess I have 4 hours (or is it 5?) on my TiVo to reclaim tonight.
I can't believe it. by ejcarter9	Apr 26th, 2007 11:35:08 AM
I really can't. It makes no sense. The only thing my mind can come up with to justify this shit is that Drive must've been expensive to produce. Jesus Christ. I hope those responsible choke.
At least they started it with the pilot... by Billyeveryteen	Apr 26th, 2007 11:57:29 AM
R.I.P. Firefly.
Prison Break and 24... by AlwaysThere	Apr 26th, 2007 11:58:14 AM
The only shows worth watching on Fox. Fuck the haters and the brownies or whatever you idiot firefly fanatics call yourself.
I would never watch FOX if it weren't for the fact by porterdsgn	Apr 26th, 2007 12:04:40 PM
that I love 24, and that my girlfriend gives me blow jobs during American Idol just so I'll watch it with her. Note to FOX: Blow Jobs = me watching!
Hey, lookit that. Fucked by FOX. by Roguewriter	Apr 26th, 2007 12:20:19 PM
And never even kissed first. Figures. Fuck em. One powerhouse reality show, and they think they're strong enough to axe everything that doesn't draw 15 million viewers in the first two weeks????? I'm almost glad "24" is jumping the shark so badly this season, so I can quit watching FOX altogether. Fuck em.
DRIVE! this weeks guest stars... by Stuntcock Mike	Apr 26th, 2007 12:27:47 PM
Linda Hamilton with Ron Pearlman as the big cuntcat in their orange 1969 Charger the Duke boys lent 'em.
"Get into the car, Jack, there's something I need to te by Stuntcock Mike	Apr 26th, 2007 12:38:02 PM
Count me out of 24 next year. Give the guy 5 minutes of fucking peace between seasons for shit's sake.
That sucks by jgsugden	Apr 26th, 2007 12:41:32 PM
This show had an odd premise that initially didn't catrch my interest, but I gave it a chance... and loved it. Fox is too quick on the axe... If I made a series, I'd only look at Fox as a last resort...
THIS YEARS LITTLE MISS FUCKED BY FOX!! by BillyPilgrim	Apr 26th, 2007 12:42:22 PM
We know you wanted more. But we won't give it to you! Love FOX mgmt.
FOX Programmers SUX by tvjunkie66	Apr 26th, 2007 01:03:13 PM
I don't know why FOX even bothers to Greenlight serialized dramas when they don't even give them a chance. This show was destined to fail in the beginning. They had the Premiere on a Sunday for TWO HOURS and then had the first episode on the following Monday. If you missed it Sunday, there really was no reason to watch on Monday. By the 4th episode you could never figure who was who or what was what if you missed the first three. Whoever does their programming needs to be fired. Besides PRISON BREAK and 24, what other show has FOX given a chance? FOX you SUX!
unfortunate by BLWiseass	Apr 26th, 2007 01:10:30 PM
but with the terrible ratings can you blame them?
Not Even 3 Weeks by Verisof	Apr 26th, 2007 01:16:30 PM
Everyone is talking about how Fox cancelled this show in three weeks. That's in episode time, right? The truth is that they premiered this thing on Sunday 4/15/2007 and officially axed it on 4/24/2007. That's 9 frickin' days and THAT'S ridiculous. I personally missed the first half of the first episode. Tivoed it and the one after it. Then missed the third one that they showed on the following Monday because I didn't expect it that fast. Had to download these items so I could watch them, and I STILL haven't had time to get caught up. Way to go, Fox. You guys have set a new record in the amount of impatience. I thought you were bad with Firefly, but this is just RIDICULOUS. This show would have done great given the opportunity to find an audience. But you have to get hip to the fact that people don't just sit around waiting to see what new show Fox is going to air. And I can guarantee that I'm not going to be doing it either. Why get emotionally invested in something you'll axe. I'm fed up. I'm even gonna stop watching 24 over this situation. It's been getting stupid anyway. Hasta la vista, Fox.
This from the same network that is will renew by indyjonez100	Apr 26th, 2007 01:26:22 PM
Till Death?!?! Really? Till Death over Drive? I'd take Drive any day of the week.
The car chases were really, really good by DirkD13"	Apr 26th, 2007 01:45:51 PM
for a tv show. Shame I wasted my time on it really.
Fillion should go over to HBO by Purgatori	Apr 26th, 2007 01:57:07 PM
and star as Bill in True Blood, the new series based off the Charlaine Harris books. He'd be great as the main vampire.
Fuckers... by strangef8	Apr 26th, 2007 01:58:11 PM
...wouldn't know a good show if Lucas, Spielberg, Whedon and Cameron tossed it in their laps.
What a fucked up network! by _Maltheus_	Apr 26th, 2007 02:11:13 PM
It wasn't the best show, but it was the only new show I had to look forward to this summer. The cost of producing a pilot and putting on the air is enormous, much more than the cost of an average episode. It amazes me that I don't keep hearing about Fox execs getting fired over stuff like this. If you think a show is good enough to get a pilot, then stick with it for at least a season. Otherwise, you're just flushing shareholder money down the toilet. I kind of knew this was going to get canceled, so I'm not sure why I gave it a chance. But I can tell you that this is the last time I will ever give a chance to a new Fox show until it's been on at least a season. And no, I don't watch American Idol Fox so you're just leaving money on the table with viewers like me. Every show that I do still watch on Fox is at a geriatric stage where they need to be canceled. That leaves nothing left. There was a time when I use to watch two to three Fox shows a night. Things started to change when they canceled Action and Profit. Before then, I almost never heard of a show that would be canceled so quickly. It's mind boggling. Doesn't anyone like money anymore?
And screw HBO too... by _Maltheus_	Apr 26th, 2007 02:13:36 PM
You people who talk about going over to HBO are on crack. HBO is almost as bad as Fox these days. Showtime, on the other hand, is where HBO was in the late 90s. They cancel too easily too (Dead Like Me?), but they are definitely on the upswing, whereas everyone will be canceling HBO in a few more weeks.
Is Minnear just an endless well of Optimism?? by lagomorph	Apr 26th, 2007 02:35:48 PM
Hwo the man can continue to work with FOX after 3 aborted shows just astounds my poor brain. I remember he had said that he'd be fine with making like 13 episode mini seires but now he's not even going to get 7 epsiodes for his latest. If he sticks around, I'm going to reach the conclusion that he's either into self inflicted pain or he's selfishly unwilling to compromise the big budget in order to get a chance at longevity. Sure FOX'll put up the big bucks, but now that he's not even gettinghis half season one shots, what's the point?!
Is it me? by clockpolitiks	Apr 26th, 2007 02:44:22 PM
or have shows been getting cancelled waaaay too early and more frequently than they did two or three years ago. I mean, jesus christ. I don't even want to know how many shows were cancelled during this season alone. What a waste. From the ones I watched, most of them were pretty good. I really liked The Nine, and Studio 60 is fine. Is it quality? Are the shows just that bad? I don't really think so. I think that Americans have lost faith in shows. Maybe 1 out of 5 new shows actually fucking make it, so what's the point right? If networks just let show's run their course, and not think about ratings compared to American Idol, CSI and Grey's, all would be right in the world. Television just isn't about quality. It's all about ratings and money, and even though it's been about that for along time, it's gotten a hell of a lot worse in recent years. The only exceptions I've seen would be Friday Night Lights, and 30 Rock, and a couple of Fox's shows that are still on for some unexplainable reason. I've never understood the appeal of house. I thought CSI was the same shit every episode, but House takes the cake. Every episode starts with someone having a seizure, House makes witty comments for about a half hour, his crew ponder about what is wrong, they try something and it doesn't cure the person, then house does something "shocking" which saves the person every time. Garbage. NBC seems to be the best of the bunch about not cancelling shows too soon. I really hope things change soon.
Shocking. by Jack Burton	Apr 26th, 2007 02:44:43 PM
Fuck Fox and the other broadcast networks. They are in a vicious circle. They are so cancel happy with new shows that no one watches them because they don't want to get screwed over when the show is cancelled. I was recording Drive until I was sure it was sticking around. Guess I'll free up some space on the DVR. Nielsen households are morons anyway. When are they going to get rid of that out moded system?
That proves it... by ahdvd	Apr 26th, 2007 02:53:21 PM
Fox have lost all touch with reality - except for reality TV. If it's been leaked now, that means that they decided to cancel it BEFORE episode 4 aired. Okay, so 3 episodes aired, and that gave them an idea of how it did ratings wise... well, it would have, if they had aired the first 3 episodes over 3 weeks instead of 2 nights?! WTF? So they can decide to cancel a show before it'seven aired? Oh, right, solly me, what with the semi-decent shows coming out of there recently i forgot! Take your heads out of your asses and make some decent decisions for a change!
my 2c by Salamander	Apr 26th, 2007 03:14:00 PM
Have to say the show started well in ep1, but ep 2 for me went off the boil a little. had the woman with plastic baby shot the blonde as we'd epected then the show would have been darker and better. the chase sequences were so-so but i think they needed more bumps with the cars between contestants. the rob the bank i thought was dumb but worse to me was the fact that the brothers were following nathan fillion's character then after he lost them... found the bank... then decided he needed help bearing in mind the brothers would have been trying to gun it back on the right course..he caught them up ???? maybe there should be like 24 a clock in the top screen flashing up when a day had ended not every hour but just day 1 or something to give you an idea of where you stand in all this. E.g when plastic baby mom was arrested then back on the road you have no idea how many hours had passed to get an idea of how far they were going or how long etc.. so it came off a bit of a jumble especially when people kept catching each other up despite these breaks from racing...confusing. Still it wouldn't hurt fox to see it through half a season and change some bits on editing to try for better ratings - sorry tim about your series...bummer ... i still liked wonderfalls 8(
What does Fox have against Tim Minear by Smurfeus Maximus	Apr 26th, 2007 03:58:27 PM
Jesus Horatio Christ!!! Why does Fox give Tim Minear the time and money to create these interesting shows and then pull the rug out from under him four episodes in?!? It's fucking ridiculous! A better question: Will Tim Minear ever go within shouting distance of Fox ever again with one of his ideas? I should hope not! Well now Fox can go find another piss-poor reality show to put on in its place so it can run for four seasons...
You can still watch 'House". by DiscoGodfather	Apr 26th, 2007 04:17:34 PM
Fox doesn't technically own it, NBC/Universal does. Anyone think if NBC loses "Scrubs" to ABC (so say the rumors) that they'll snatch "House" in a revenge move and drop it in the timeslot of whatever "Law & Order" they decide to cancel? Hmmm. By the way, speaking of ABC, let's not forget that Fox put "Drive" up against the first hour of "Dancing With The Stars", which is not exactly a vote of confidence. Though maybe since Heather Mills' leg finally gave out, ratings will drop off.
Maybe it was just misformatted by DoctorTom	Apr 26th, 2007 04:27:49 PM
When I heard the concept I thought it seemed out of place for an intended long-running series, but would work better as a miniseries or movie. Perhaps Tim Minnear could retool the thing as a movie focusing on the Nathan Fillion character. It would need to be a total retooling instead of just trying to do a theatrical follow-up the way Serenity does. You could recast as necessary (although it would be nice if they kept Nathan Fillion for the main part - but the movie people would probably want Tom Cruise or Johnny Depp or someone like that).
THIS SHOW MUST HAVE BEEN... by HoboJuiceExplosion	Apr 26th, 2007 04:37:30 PM
...fraken awesome if FOX cancelled it!
What a crock of shit by Jimmy2Times	Apr 26th, 2007 04:52:44 PM
Cancelled? Why cos it aint some reality show nonsense and might appeal to an audience that actually cares about what they watch? for shame you network assholes.
Fraken? by Jimmy2Times	Apr 26th, 2007 04:55:29 PM
You mean Frackin' of course........if you're gonna be down with the kids, at least spell the Galactica speak right Mr Hobojuice....whatever.
tim minear by johnnysunshine	Apr 26th, 2007 04:57:49 PM
i really should stop even trying to catch any new tim minear shows while their on the air and just wait for the dvd. It really does suck though when Fox starts a show like this and doesn't finish the story, like with Reunion last year.
askfox@fox.com by Jack Burton	Apr 26th, 2007 05:10:19 PM
If you're pissed email them. I did. Not that it will do any good but at least you did something.
Fillion should sign a contract with HBO by TheBigChill	Apr 26th, 2007 05:54:27 PM
There are plenty of opportunities there with the True Blood series and with them having the rights to Preacher. He'd make one bad ass Saint of Killers or Cassidy. Just sayin'.
Drive DVD what's the Purpose? by glodene	Apr 26th, 2007 06:27:13 PM
Five Episodes and no conclusion would not only be anti-climatic but painful and pointless. Tim Minear and Joss Whedon should forsake Network TV and embrace HBO/Showtime or FX. Could anyone imagine them concocting a Tales of the Slayers Anthology Series on FX? Since SMG and David Boreanaz have moved on can they use some of their peripheral characters or create some new ones from The Potentials...And since How I Met Your Mother is on the bubble of not being renewed, Allison Hanigan maybe game to revisit Willow.
What's the difference between 24 and Firefly/Drive? by Corwin_X2	Apr 26th, 2007 06:36:14 PM
And what do Firefly and Drive have in common? Well, they both have (had) Nathan Fillion as lead. But, assuming that someone at Fox doesn't have a personal vendetta against Nathan, what's the connection? Well, in 24 we've got a hero that treats the President and his administration as only one step below God. If the President, or someone high enough up in the government, ordered him to cut off his own dick he'd do it. Gladly. He's a PATRIOT you see. But in Firefly and Drive, the government are the bad guys. Nathan's a REBEL, fighting against THE MAN. Not something that sits well with the Republican's running the USA's unoffical state broadcaster. Over here in the UK, Sky TV (a sister channel to Fox) often switches its rolling news channel to Fox's news feed late evening to save money. Don't know how obvious it is to you folks over there but to anyone outside the US it's like listening to Pravda before the fall of Communism! If a Fox News presenter casually commented that the sky was blue, I'd get hold of spectrometer and also get my eyes tested just to check. It's a Republican-controlled propaganda machine and nothing else. Not surprising then if that control extends to killing off anything that could be seen as "subversive".
CORWIN_X2 by salamimansam	Apr 26th, 2007 07:16:06 PM
Hey there, you may be amused to learn that a recent study by the Pew Foundation here in the US found that FOX news viewers are by far the least-informed people in America on the actual things happening in the world and our nation.
Fuck Fox. by Dataset	Apr 26th, 2007 07:20:02 PM
Ever since Chris Carter stopped giving a fuck about his job... Since they gave away Buffy to the WB after "not finding a place for it" before it even aired... And all the other stuff everyone already said but I'm too lazy to read.
TheBigChill - WHAT? by Mosquito March	Apr 26th, 2007 07:24:08 PM
Why would you even think of casting Fillion as Cassidy or Saint-Of-Killers?! Why wouldn't you cast him as Jesse? He was born for that role.
Corwin_X2 by Alonzo Mosely	Apr 26th, 2007 07:42:26 PM
Have you ever watched 24, I mean really watched it, not just caught a few episodes? Last Season's entire 2nd half of season plot was that the President was evil and couldn't be trusted. I am British (although I have lived in the US for a while) and therefore extremly liberal by current administration standards, but I always roll my eyes when people attack 24 as Republican propoganda... It is no more so than Bond or any other action show. 24 is built off the concept of a great strong Democrat President, the only Republican President with any real screentime was presented as either a weasel or evil. The truth is 24 is about whatever they think will get them ratings first and foremost, any political agenda is hugely down the list. As to Fox News, it is what it is. Unlike Pravda though, it is not the sole source of information. It is most assuredly biased towards a republican viewpoint and draws Republican viewers in their droves, ie its audience is old, white, male and angry at the hippity hop kids with their jeans worn low. However, the average american viewer with his basic cable package has at least another 3 24hr news channels, as well the major networks news coverage and local news and Public TV and C-Span and, well, the point is the problem with American news media is not being Pravda (it is in fact the exact opposite) it is that each one panders to a specific audience first, rather than being beholding to journalism above all. Fox News sprang up because there was a gap in the market... If there had been a gap on the other side then a channel would have sprung up to fill that niche. America is horribly deivded politically, and everyone just watches the news that tells them what they want to hear... And to go back to Drive, to think it was somehow cancelled because of politics is bastshit insane. It gor cannceled because as a lead in to 24 it caused 24 to have the lowest viwership in the prized 18-35 demographic for three years. That is the kind of fact that gets Fox executives fired. They are going with a much safer lead in with reruns of House. Fox are morons but their decisions are always based on money...
Corwin_X2 by mthrndr	Apr 26th, 2007 07:50:54 PM
Have you ever heard of a successful little Fox show called Prison Break, and that it is ALL ABOUT evil government?
Corwin_X2, I think you are wrong by TheHichhiker	Apr 26th, 2007 07:55:33 PM
Good theory, but this is also the network of "prison break" where the government are the bad guys. And you cant say "House" is too fondof authority. Besides there is absolutely no evidence government is in any way involved in Drive. I think the reality is much simpler than any conspiracy, no one cares about quality, just quantity. If it would get ratings, FOX would air "Thats My Bush" reruns.
I'm going to write to FOX by INWOsuxRED	Apr 26th, 2007 08:05:31 PM
and tell them to cancel all their shows. They all suck, and whenever they do get good ones, they cancel them anyways. Acceptable TV segment are given a better chance than most FOX shows.
Alonzo - sorry, didn't make myself clear by Corwin_X2	Apr 26th, 2007 08:08:54 PM
I love 24. The Jack Bauer Power Hour is the highlight of my week. And I didn't for a second mean to suggest that the people who make the show have any kind of agenda one way or another. I was only commenting about how it may be received by the idiots running your country, as opposed to other shows. [Disclaimer: I'm not anti-US, I'm anti-war-mongering Republicans and anti-war-mongering British-Prime Ministers called Tony Blair.] There's no way I could possibly convince you, in a simple blog post, how fucked-up Fox's news coverage and political slant looks to the outside world. I can only suggest: the next time some major story hits the headlines, especially if it makes Bush look bad - find some web or radio news channels that are run by other countries. Try the BBC World Service - internationally acknowledged, since WW2, as a source of totally non-partisan news coverage. I may be wrong about why Fox killed both Drive and Firefly. It was just a thought and I stand to be corrected. But really - 24 is the one and only single reason you should switch to that channel. Any more expose will rot your brain! (grin)
Haven't caught Prison Break by Corwin_X2	Apr 26th, 2007 08:11:35 PM
Accept that it may blow my theory. It was only an excuse to vent against Fox in general anyway! (grin)
TV as we knew it.....is over by cinemaniac06	Apr 26th, 2007 08:44:43 PM
Few shows are ever given much chance to build an audience anymore. If it doesn't generate huge numbers out of the gate, they either pull it quickly, or they juggle which nights it airs, so no one can find it. Look around at the trend in programming. It's mostly "reality" tv or game shows. One, because they seem to do reasonably well in the ratings, and two, because they are very inexpensive to produce. Which translates to lower risk, greater return on investment. Since these shows really don't appeal to me, I find myself watching less and less network television. Seems we've reached the end of an era. I doubt that there's any hope of going back. As soon as the 3 shows I still watch end their run, I am done. I'll be watching movies and sporting events. Little else. Screw this.
salamimansam - doesn't surprise me, unfortunately by Corwin_X2	Apr 26th, 2007 08:45:28 PM
There's an interesting parallel over here as it happens. News International, who own both Fox and Sky TV in the UK, also own the most popular daily newspaper in the country - The Sun. It's not quite at the same level as the National Enquirer but it's certainly in that general direction. It caters for right-wing reactionary types with a limited vocabulary. And famously features a daily "Page 3 Girl" topless model photo. The term "Sun Reader" is generally acknowledged as an insult. Knowing that it outsells its nearest rival by somewhere between 60-100% is pretty much as depressing as catching 10mins of Fox News. I despair for the future of the human race sometimes.
TheHichhiker by WASPFAN	Apr 26th, 2007 09:03:11 PM
I already ordered the B5 DVD - and I agree with most of what you said - the fact is the studios care more about the bottom line than producing quality TV...
Corwin_X2 by Alonzo Mosely	Apr 26th, 2007 10:17:25 PM
A civilized debate? Hoohzah... Again though I will point out I am British, lived there for the first 23 years of my life, so I am very aware of what the BBC is... I even worked for them briefly... Anyway, Fox isn't the BBC, the BBC can claim to be the voice of Britain, Fox is nothing of the sort, it is a voice of a certain viewpoint. That is how the US works in this modern age, a thousand channels and a thousand attempts to make money. If you watched something like ABC's evening news you would see a show that was a lot closer to the BBC news in terms of style. You are comparing apples to oranges. In fact one could argue that the BBC is a lot closer to Pravda than any American channel because of the nature of its funding and its relationship with the Government. Again I am not knocking the BBC, I spend more time on news.bbc.co.uk than just about any other site, just trying to help with misconceptions that many Brits have about certain facets of the US. Fox is a blatantly right-wing and biased news network. However it is only popular with people who already believe that viewpoint and did before Fox news ever appeared. Oh, and as to Murdoch, I don't think he is truely a political animal, instead he always creates populist entertainment with right-wing leaning tendancies, because that ties in with his desire to make money. Right leaning governments the world over tend to tax corporations a lot less and do not pass laws that limit the ability of corporations to grow bigger and bigger.
The series are not meant to run as series. by kabong	Apr 26th, 2007 10:48:07 PM
They are meant to serve as discussion subjects and game tokens in meetings of the executives where the corporate bumboys negotiate who will be blowing whom until the next meeting.
ah hell, theres ANOTHER SHOGUN ON THE BOARDS?! by the_shogun_gunslinger	Apr 27th, 2007 01:46:23 AM
this is gonna get confusing. i challenge you sir, to a duel to the death.
oh by the_shogun_gunslinger	Apr 27th, 2007 01:47:32 AM
and Fox really likes to cancel expensive shows. "Skin" anyone? fuck besides 24, what has Fox kept on the air?
wanna know why it failed? by the_shogun_gunslinger	Apr 27th, 2007 02:30:16 AM
because it looked like a hip version of "Rat Race"
I was thinking I'd give a shot when I got a chance! by HappyHamster	Apr 27th, 2007 02:33:22 AM
There's something darkly funny about how fast some of these shows get canceled.
Soon, shows will be canceled as they are aired... by Prof. Pop-Cult	Apr 27th, 2007 03:15:01 AM
You'll be watching and then right in the midst of the episode (not even during the commercial break), the show will be pulled off the air and replaced with a rerun of another, more successful series, or a reality show. You know that will happen once Nielsen perfects live ratings feedback to the networks.
I think Fox IS a reality tv show by ejcarter9	Apr 27th, 2007 07:58:45 AM
Or at least the execs think they're in one. Too many obvious parallels to list here... I'll let you guys do that for me.
GOD DAMN IT!!! by SkidMarkedUndies	Apr 27th, 2007 09:44:32 AM
This is FIREFLY, FASTLANE, JOHN DOE, WONDERFALLS, and THE INSIDE ALL OVER AGAIN!! GOD DAMN IT!!! When are the remaining shows coming out on DVD? Winston's brother is bleeding out in Alex's car and I NEED TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENS!
Fox has so mishandled House... by kevred	Apr 27th, 2007 10:01:00 AM
I love that show, and it's a big hit. But you'd never know it from the way Fox mistreats it. Over this last season, it's been arbitrarily pulled off the air for weeks at a time, randomly reappearing only to go away for another three weeks. Now we're in the midst of "8 straight new episodes!" as though that's something we shouldn't always expect. And Fox still runs American Idol a few minutes long every week, which sabotaged everyone's recording of House a few weeks back when they also ran House past its usual end time. In short, Fox is completely incompetent. See, Fox, here's what you do when you have two very successful shows. You PUT THEM ON AT DIFFERENT TIMES. Who are these people that have one hit with House and then yank it when Idol starts up? You can have more than one hit at a time, Fox, but you choose not to? As House himself would say, "you're all idiots." I say, move it entirely over to NBC or USA.
Hey Herc - Minear is not that good. by Trim Master	Apr 27th, 2007 10:06:17 AM
Here's an idea guys - maybe all these show get cancelled because Tim Minear sucks. Talk about overrated. These shows are garbage and Herc gets you guys all excited because he has some sort of homo crush on Minear. I mean the INSIDE??? REALLY??? REALLY HERC??? That was one of the best shows of last year???? What a joke! You watch 2 episodes of Drive and claim it's one the best new shows on Fox in years! Relax buddy. Clearly you have some sort of relationship with this guy so you feel the need to praise his work, but maybe you should take a page from Harry and Mory and have the balls to be subjective. Anyway, I forgot my point but quit kissing his fucking ass. These shows suck. There needs to be a new tv critic on this site.
Uh Trim Master... by glodene	Apr 27th, 2007 01:34:17 PM
Don't you mean Objective? When it comes to everything Mutant Enemy, one can never accuse Herc of being anything but subjective. Not that that's a bad thing...Afterall, it's hard being objective after being exposed to the greatness of Mutant Enemy. RECOGNIZE!
Drive didn't get mixed reviews. by AnnoyYou	Apr 27th, 2007 01:37:44 PM
It got terrible reviews. But as no one in America reads reviews (except me), the reason the show died is because no one watched it. When will everyone learn that Minear is a one-trick pony and Fillion is a show-killer? It seems obvious to me - why Fox doesn't get it is baffling.
Pity by kadayi	Apr 27th, 2007 02:00:18 PM
Although it was ropey in places, I thought the show had promise.
This show shouldn't have been green lit by allyousay	Apr 27th, 2007 02:04:39 PM
Even from the previews, i hated this show. It seemed so much of a resemblance of "Rat Race," and even that was a hunk of crap. Good for you FOX!
Correction. No one w/Nielson Boxes.. by glodene	Apr 27th, 2007 02:05:44 PM
watched Drive.
Maltheus by RokurGepta	Apr 27th, 2007 03:19:35 PM
Dead Like Me was on Showtime, not on HBO. HBO Rocks, Showtime Sucks Get it right nuff said
Can we finally get a Smallville talkback again?? by jojo-pimp	Apr 27th, 2007 06:38:44 PM
PLEASE???????????????????????? Its the only show that keeps getting renewed!
lolz by RokurGepta	Apr 27th, 2007 07:19:57 PM
Where can I find out definatively which shows have been canceled, or renewed? And when their supposed new season starts Shows I want to know about.. 1. Smallville 2. Supernatural 3. October Road 4. Jericho 5. Heroes 6. Criminal Minds 7. Friday Night Lights 8. Dead Zone 9. 4400 When Does Battlestar Galactica start it's next season>? I heard it was some time in 2008
If you like the show read Steven King's Bachman Books by corvette63	Apr 27th, 2007 10:17:39 PM
King was way before his time! In the Bachman Books collection, there are 2 different stories dealing with reality shows set in the future. One was called the Long Walk about contestants who walk across the country or die trying. The other, Running Man, was the basis for the Schwartzeneggar movie but only a 100 times better. As a side note, there was also a story about a high school kid who held his class hostage at gunpoint. Shocking at the time it was written but mild compared to today's headlines. Too bad about Drive though. I would have like to seen it last through the summer. It's an interesting concept so I'm sure it will live on in a novel or graphic format.
Should have been a summer mini series by Drath	Apr 28th, 2007 11:56:20 AM
Why don't they just start making shows like this as planned 13 episode miniseries with a planned ending no real expectations of a future so they don't keep yanking these things out from under us. At least THEN the show could still be sold as an awesome DVD set. Like this, the the show isn't even a full half season! It even felt like it had an obvious ending point and could have stopped with this race and not left us all hanging. We'll never know if Fillion saves Amy Acker!!! Was she good or was she evil? Felt like Acker was ready to play her more like Illyria than like Fred too. Dangit, FOX execs have no vision--artistic OR corporate.
As I mentioned in another post.... by sith-vol	Apr 28th, 2007 06:00:58 PM
....ONE DAY NATHAN FILLON WILL GET TO BE ON A SHOW THAT LASTS MORE THAN A FEW EPISODES! Sorry for the yelling....but Fox pisses me off.
Fox and the CW could swap executives by zebrahead	Apr 28th, 2007 09:23:32 PM
and nobody would notice.

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