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‘Either Way I Lose!!’
Herc Gives Tonight’s
LOST Five Stars!!!!!

CAN'T WAIT! by AGE IIX	Apr 25th, 2007 03:26:25 AM
MUST SEE NOW
Wow ... I was first! by AGE IIX	Apr 25th, 2007 03:27:21 AM
ahahaha had to do it... sorry
5 stars? by krodnoc	Apr 25th, 2007 03:29:06 AM
Wow, bring it on! Series 3 has been on the up for a long while.
815... Spoiler Alert!!! by PapaKin	Apr 25th, 2007 03:29:12 AM
Is gone!... dead!... caput!... who the f*** are these people?!?
Wow, wasn't even too excited for this one... by DanielKurland	Apr 25th, 2007 03:58:08 AM
Now I am. And for all you theorists, Lindelof and Cuse stated in their latest interview that Christian Shepherd is definitively dead, and that Jacob/Him will be someone we've NEVER met before.
Is Bai Ling in this episode ? by TimMighty	Apr 25th, 2007 03:58:53 AM
...just askin´
Bai Ling by Hercules	Apr 25th, 2007 04:03:41 AM
Not in the episode.
To quote honoured thespians Shawn Higgenbottom and Paul by LordEnigma	Apr 25th, 2007 04:03:44 AM
Levesque; if you are not down with LOST. I GOT TWO WORDS FOR YOU: SUCK IT! Yes, it's that simple. This is still a great series. If you read this and you gave up. You still have time to turn it around.
Oh yeah... by LordEnigma	Apr 25th, 2007 04:06:07 AM
Why do we have to wait to January? When it makes sense to run 12 weeks in a row...twice. If ABC waits til January to bring this show back. It may lose any mojo that it has gained towards the end of the season. 12 and 12, CARTLON AND DAMON! 12 and 12!
Five stars, but only two exclamation points!! by tonagan	Apr 25th, 2007 04:15:48 AM
From now on, the hyperbolic punctuation should fit the rating!!!!! Then we would now how excited to get!!!!! (1/2 starts would get a semicolon, or a ~)
..damn. by TimMighty	Apr 25th, 2007 04:18:32 AM
i wonder why she appeared in the first place. Just to give the audience a sex scene...like the now usual sex scene every three episodes.
We must pity the fools who bailed on this series. by Mr_X	Apr 25th, 2007 04:20:47 AM
thanks brother BA baracus
This sounds good. by Napoleon Park	Apr 25th, 2007 04:36:15 AM
Wait, an episode of Lost with no Sawyer, Sayid, Locke, Claire or this years most popular character, Ben Linus... and minimal involvement from boring old Jack'n'Kate? And I assume no Rose, Bernard or Steve. And of course no Michael and Walt. In other words, forget the show you thought you liked two years ago, we're doing something else now. That's, in the immortal words of Ambrose Slade, pretty Ballzy. AND it scores a top five star rating? That's pretty awesome. I hope it's really that good and you're not just crushing on Yunjin Kim. Although that would be understandable, too.
Lost is the best show on TV by gudge	Apr 25th, 2007 04:41:33 AM
Fact
It's gotten so good lately it's almost obscene. by iamnicksaicnsn	Apr 25th, 2007 05:22:00 AM
There was question after last season of 24 (5) and recent BSG whether Lost was even in the same realm as them, but lately it's been so awesome it's totally whomped on the competition, except for BSG. 24 has just fallen so far, so so far from last season. God, to think of the amazing shit they could've done for Season 6 of 24, those fucking pansy assholes.
But the real important question by ElPaw	Apr 25th, 2007 05:30:43 AM
Are TASG and ExpoGirl in this episode?
Damn right iamnicksaicnsn by Bono Luthor	Apr 25th, 2007 06:18:51 AM
Damn well hurts to get to the end of an episode and have to wait a week. Amazing recovery after the slight 'meh'ness of the early season three episodes. I'm trying to lay off watching the next four weeks after this in order to have a 4-5 hour LOST orgy/marathon when we get to the series finale, but judging by what I have heard about tonights there is no way I'll be able to hold off. The last few weeks have been the perfect balance of beach/jungle/ensemble cast/mystery/revelation/dark humor. I knew rubbing my Locke action figures bald head was gonna be lucky this morning. Sorry for spelling. I'm meant to be working...
Sun is a liar by emeraldboy	Apr 25th, 2007 06:22:50 AM
When, in season two, she looked JIn in the eye and she never had an affair. We knew the real daddy is not even on the Island cause he fell from a rather tall building. Sun's dad found out. Suns dad is a very nasty piece of work and he possibly tortured the dr to find who the father is. The Dr. Told Sun that her dad would burn his practice to the ground. The Dr could have become a member of Dharma or Sun's Dad could be a member and passed on her info to the hostiles. Either way this series is building up to a major confrontation and possibly and major unexpected death. a panicked and emotional Jin kills his wife. Or he could do a micheal. Kill's his wife and someone else. like claire. that way Jin becomes a dad.
but I do remember something..... by emeraldboy	Apr 25th, 2007 06:32:31 AM
Sun said she leaving for the US. Maybe she made more then one trip. and aong the way fell for someone. like say Jacks dad. We already Jacks dad had an eye for the women or she was a huge fan of driveshaft and the real father of the baby is Charlie Pace. Kind of like a one night stand type of thing. Jin in act uncontrolled Rage kills Charlie, therefore fulfilling desmonds prophecy that Charlie Dies.
You didn't answer the question! by Blarney-Man	Apr 25th, 2007 06:44:27 AM
" How is Mikhail alive? Wasn’t he microwaved to death by The Others’ invisible fence?" Well, answer us!
The tension in the camp due to juliets arrival by emeraldboy	Apr 25th, 2007 06:48:51 AM
means that at some stage. Sawyer and Her play a game, during the course of which, sawyer reveals that it was Charlie who dragged Sun into the Jungle. This will lead to devastating consequences for charlie and maybe sawyer. We dont Know what charlie did Sun. But it wasnt nice, it was as Charlie said payback to make Jack look Stupid. or locke who charlie despises.
Mikhail by amaysingstories	Apr 25th, 2007 06:50:39 AM
While I love the character, jones for every flashback he gets, and hate the way they took him out, I still don't get how he can be alive. Is the fence indeed not lethal to humans, and it was all just a ploy? (might explain how Kate could climb over the top but Ole Smokey Cerberus couldn't) Or was he not actually dead - they were simply mistaken? Or did he get healed? Or is he Ole Smokey itself, pulling an Eko's brother thing on us? Am I the only one wondering about this? It'll be cheesy if they say nothing.
that is very odd but by emeraldboy	Apr 25th, 2007 06:57:30 AM
maybe Mikhail was wearing a device of some sort or he could have been pretending to get electroquted! these hostiles are very smart people. and ruthless. There does seem to be a connection between Ben and John locke. Ben wakes up and says are you him? Kelvin says the same thing to desmond. when later on Desmond asks John what did one snowman say to the other, john automatically knows the anwser. This gives over the impression that Locke knows something the rest of us dont. ben says that he was coming for him. we all know that a ben is a ruthless individual but there is something about locke and the island that writers are letting about just yet.
It was a stunt to give by emeraldboy	Apr 25th, 2007 06:59:32 AM
locke a guilty conscience.
"Eko is now sharing cocktails in the dolphin tank" by newc0253	Apr 25th, 2007 06:59:45 AM
now there's an image. you suppose smokezilla serves the canapes?
What the hell is is a "REVERSE shark jump"? by UltraMeerkat	Apr 25th, 2007 07:21:31 AM
Come on someone - tell me, please!
Five stars? Wow. by Zarles	Apr 25th, 2007 07:26:27 AM
Is Andy Richter in it or something?
It's won me back. by Blarney-Man	Apr 25th, 2007 07:30:25 AM
Despite pissing me off royally when it killed of Nikki. I would also like to just see Rose and Bernard sometimes. You know, just once, at all ... I don't know where the fuck they're hiding on the beach but they need at least acknowledge them.
Naomi's News by mordiceius	Apr 25th, 2007 07:30:47 AM
SPOILERS: Naomi tells them that they can't be the survivors of 815 because that plane crashed into the pacific and the wreckage was found. There were no survivors.
This could end up being a great week of TV by ATARI	Apr 25th, 2007 07:39:53 AM
I already gaev Heroes and The Shield 5 stars. So if this is also a 5 star worthy Lost episode, then this would be a perfect week of TV. And May sweeps is still coming. SWEET!
Spoilers! by Dapper Swindler	Apr 25th, 2007 07:46:53 AM
Spoilerfix.com has posted a spoiler so spoilerific that even that site, a site all about spoilers, has put it in invisotext. Spoilers!
Nevermind that spoiler... by Dapper Swindler	Apr 25th, 2007 07:49:03 AM
I see mordiceius has went ahead and posted it in this talkback, thinking his own spoiler tag would be enough. It isn't. Way to go mordiceius. You're fired.
Meh Spoilers by mordiceius	Apr 25th, 2007 07:50:07 AM
Meh, this whole talkback is tagged as spoilers. People can't come here not expecting to be spoiled.
Blarney-Man by Banky the Hack	Apr 25th, 2007 08:00:05 AM
Well, Sawyer implied last week that the Best of Phil Collins tape was Bernard's. That's kind of a weak reference...but it's something at least!
I don't mind the spoilers... by slone13	Apr 25th, 2007 08:09:01 AM
...it's the continued use of the non-word "meh" that makes me want to kill someone. Can't we place some sort of moratorium on it? Or at the very least, publicly ridicule those who insist on using it?
Slone13 by PotSmokinAlien	Apr 25th, 2007 08:22:58 AM
No.
what's wrong with meh anyway? by newc0253	Apr 25th, 2007 08:28:02 AM
it's a useful word, signifying lack of enthusiasm or interest. i could say "i don't care" but "meh" is easier to say.
as I was told earlier this season by leesheri	Apr 25th, 2007 08:39:41 AM
"This is a spoiler site. If you don't want spoilers don't come." If you come knowing it is a spoiler site then you subconsciously want to be spoiled. Spoilers are part of the excitement of Lost anyway.
Patchy by kbaker13	Apr 25th, 2007 08:41:29 AM
Man I am so siked to see Patchy again!!!!! I continue to use Patchy because I cant spell Mikalikkiakiah. I also loved the Ben line "we're coming in...dont shoot us"(or something like that). To me it showed that Ben thinks Patchy is sort of crazy, and paranoid.
PotSmokinAlien by slone13	Apr 25th, 2007 08:47:58 AM
Oh well. I had to try. I weep for today's disenfranchised youth who feel so strongly about making sure others know of their adamant lack of interest in any given subject, yet can not even be bothered to do so in an intelligent, properly grammatical manner. At least I can find small solace in the fact that there is a specially reserved place set aside for them in the bowels of Hell.
Dapper Swindler -- chill -- by jimbojones123	Apr 25th, 2007 08:52:01 AM
That specific spoiler was posted here last week. So it's actually old news. And, I always thought Mikhell (yah, I'm not going to try and spell it either) may have bitten into a mouth foam pill and may be faking or even knew he would be okay if hit the wall. Or Locke may be more "in the know" than we know or even he knows. Maybe he as an island unconcious -- like planted memories???
If Patchy was faking it... by UltraMeerkat	Apr 25th, 2007 08:55:28 AM
..it was damn convincing, especially making blood squirt out of his ears like that..
if the Naomi news is true then by emeraldboy	Apr 25th, 2007 08:55:40 AM
the writers have really pulled the rug from under the viewers and that is dangerous. Decieved viewers dont come back back. but it will be interesting to see how they pulled it off to make us believe that these people were Survivors of filght 815. or maybe that flight was as I believe a plane belonging to the Dharma Initiative.
Locke (minor Spoiler) by kbaker13	Apr 25th, 2007 08:57:49 AM
I am loving the idea that Locke knows more about the island than he is letting on and possibly more about the island than the Others and Ben. I cant wait for his flashback ep and Ben's. MINOR SPOILER......Lostpedia stated that in Ben's flashback episode Ben unwillingly informs Locke about some of the island mysteries including the identity of JACOB. I cant wait.
The spoiler by Steve_Dooku	Apr 25th, 2007 09:03:35 AM
Yeah, honestly. To think you would read one here is nuts. If that's true about the plane, then there were two crashes. Both intentional? Whoever the "overlords" are, they're pretty ruthless.
*wouldn't by Steve_Dooku	Apr 25th, 2007 09:06:12 AM
I love that edit button.
Thought on Mikhail... by mordiceius	Apr 25th, 2007 09:07:30 AM
I think he may have been faking it after all. When he went through the fence it was on. But then, when Juliet and Kate are going through, it's off. Did the Others turn it off when they left? Because it seemed like the control panel was on the outside. Maybe it had been off all along?
The Spoiler by kbaker13	Apr 25th, 2007 09:08:19 AM
I usually dont like when people post major spoilers on this site and prefer adding the link to the spoiler. With that said, I kind of like knowing this spoiler, it changes the game in a huge way and I cant wait to figure out how it is resolved or explained. But it also doesnt change the dynamics between the characters on the island. The relationships between the Others and Losties, or (Jack and Locke) presumably wont be affected so it doesnt ruin the show for me, it just adds intrigue.
Herc, are the flashbacks relevant to the island? by punto	Apr 25th, 2007 09:09:39 AM
since you always say those are the only kind of flashbacks you care for, are these an exception?
Yep yep yep by david19	Apr 25th, 2007 09:13:31 AM
All new Heroes and Lost. A good week. A good week.
LOST. BEST SHOW ON THE TUBE. END OF DISCUSSION by Pound Sand	Apr 25th, 2007 09:13:59 AM
24 is headed for the worst season ever award. Heroes for best rookie performance by a planned one-off. Drive for most expensive flop. And Andy Barker P.I. wins the HercHype award for greatest sitcom of all time, joining Seinfeld, MASH, Cheers, Fired Up, and Veronica's Closet in the pantheon.
(SPOILER) Smokezilla revealed as Rover from The Village by SpyGuy	Apr 25th, 2007 09:14:55 AM
And Ben is revealed to be Number Two. Who is Number One? You are Number Six.
grrr by Bloo	Apr 25th, 2007 09:20:19 AM
here I am at work and I just had to check AICN to see if LOST news was up, knowing that LOST news is NEVER up this early in the day, and what do you know it was and now, i'm going to be stuck on this board for the next 3 days, totally distracting me from any and all work that I need to get done. Thanks Herc, thanks a lot. ahh must see LOST now!!!!!!
One thing that's been bugging me... by meldy	Apr 25th, 2007 09:20:32 AM
Don't know if it's been mentioned here, but since Expose I've been trying to figure out how the hell everyone was able to get into the Pearl (Ben, Juliet, TASG) - wasn't there a burnt out plane sitting on top of it? Anyone answer me that?
meldy by cekma	Apr 25th, 2007 09:23:45 AM
Ben says to juliet to tell Tom to cover the entrance to the pearl with the plane. When Boone died in the plane it fell directly down and remained there until Tom moved it to hide the pearl entrance
I still want to know... by cekma	Apr 25th, 2007 09:25:24 AM
Jack: "Why all this? If you can bring someone on from outside the island then why not?" Tom: "ever since the sky turned purple" Thats fine but Ben had captured jack BEFORE the sky turned purple!
cekma by mordiceius	Apr 25th, 2007 09:30:54 AM
I think the first time the sky turned purple was when Desmond first missed the timer and brought the plane down.
Cowboy Dan and Cap'n Jack by Guy Gaduois	Apr 25th, 2007 09:34:21 AM
are coming. I wait.
mordicieus by meldy	Apr 25th, 2007 09:38:39 AM
The problems with transporting people can't have happened with the plane crash, since Ben was communicating with the man filming Juliet's sister right after the crash - and wasn't it implied that was the Mittleos guy, who's very much back on the island? I don't know why Ben sent Ethan away after finding he had a tumour, considering he was the only doctor... My guess is that Ben considered the appearance of a spinal surgeon a "gift" from the "box" and so was compelled to use him.
gift from the box by mordiceius	Apr 25th, 2007 09:43:49 AM
but, when he sent ethan off at first, he didn't know about anyone on that plane, so he didn't know about jack.
Re: gift from the box by meldy	Apr 25th, 2007 09:47:28 AM
Exactly, having found out the day before you've got a big tumour growing on your spine, do you a) get your local doctor to remove it or b) send your local doctor out into the jungle to do some role-playing with the new arrivals?
Patchys gaff by Lone_Gunman	Apr 25th, 2007 09:47:41 AM
anyone notice in the juliet centric esp 3.16 2 weeks ago when ben & juliet approached patchys comm centre, ben was tryna tell patchy not to shoot. Why? That cuz mean theres another hostile group on the island! after all it cant be the losties as they crashed the same day
Lone Gunman by Bloo	Apr 25th, 2007 09:54:38 AM
That's an excellent point, one I hadn't picked up on. I just figuered that Patchy was a crozy commie, and that was implied too, but there had to be more to it then just he was nuts. good eye my friend, good eye
Is it the one eyed man, or his smokey duplicate? by INWOsuxRED	Apr 25th, 2007 09:56:54 AM
He just seemed pretty dead to me last time we saw him.
Ta Everett... by Lone_Gunman	Apr 25th, 2007 10:01:01 AM
I have to say I tried to raise this point in last week TB but i was late in the game, and so I dont think I caught anyones eye..so thought I try again
Hmmm. by Yogsoggoth	Apr 25th, 2007 10:09:24 AM
Herc gave this episode five stars and thinks that those of us who bailed on the show will be sorry. Forgive me if I remain skeptical of the tastes of a man who raved about Lady in the Water and The Phantom Menace.
Forget who's the daddy... by Fount of Useless Info	Apr 25th, 2007 10:11:44 AM
I want to know what the deaths of mothers on the Island is going to mean for Sun. Naomi's news: If this is truly what she says, the question is if this is really true and it was that flight or if things were made to look that way. Perhaps it's an alternate timeline thing and it will only be resolved when an aircraft engine falls on one of them and kills them.
Naomi's news - SPOILER by Abin Sur	Apr 25th, 2007 10:15:38 AM
If what she says is true about the plane crashing and being found, what does that mean as to the whereabouts of Michael and Walt? Has enough time passed on the island for them to have made it to civilization? I would think so, and if so, that would be a pretty significant news story that you'd think this girl would know about. I really wish Harold Perinnaeu (sp?) had agreed to be in the season finale - I would have LOVED to see what the writers would do with the Michael/Walt storyline.
Fount of Useless Info by mordiceius	Apr 25th, 2007 10:19:20 AM
I just spit soda all over my keyboard from your last statement. Thank you.
I just got off the phone with Terry O' Quinn.... by IG76	Apr 25th, 2007 10:24:49 AM
...he loved my idea about him playing Lex Luther in the next Superman Film. He gave me the trademark stare and finished his sentence with a question...like always!
Naomi's news by Bloo	Apr 25th, 2007 10:28:16 AM
perhaps the box that brought Jack, Locke, et. al. to the island forced another plane to crash so that there wouldn't be people looking for the true Oceanic 815 or perhaps, our Losties got on what they THOUGHT was flight 815 and it wasn't really. Maybe Smokezilla can turn into a 747(?) jet liner-I'm kidding of course. Please noone run with that theory.
According to EW by SithMenace	Apr 25th, 2007 10:29:33 AM
this revelation from Naomi at the end of tonight's episode is the gamechanger everyone's been waiting for. But I have a feeling this is going to start up all of the Purgatory whores again. As far as Ben having to warn Mikhail not to shoot him, I'm pretty sure it's because there's a subterranean group of people on the island that we haven't seen yet. I've heard that a few times over the last year, and I think they might be revealed in the finale. They may even be Ben's people, which would explain him being on the island all his life. It would not explain however why he is with the Mittelos people now.
Hey Herc.... by Lone_Gunman	Apr 25th, 2007 10:29:41 AM
Will Rousseau be making a appearance tonight?
SithMenace.. by Lone_Gunman	Apr 25th, 2007 10:36:02 AM
I have heard similar rumblings abt a possible subterranean group, but far as I know its yet to be substantiated..but if so that'll be fricking excellent!
Ben's "Being Born" on the island. by mordiceius	Apr 25th, 2007 10:38:14 AM
I think that's shit. Via Spoiler fix, you find that Ben was part of Dharma. IMO Ben's talking figuratively about being "born" on the island. It's sorta like how christians say they've been "born again".
3 in a row, I have way too.. by Lone_Gunman	Apr 25th, 2007 10:39:01 AM
much time on me hands..as for ben I heard of a podcast re ben time on island -possible spoiler- that he's bending the truth when hes says he been on the island all his life...
Herc, have you ever seen a Lost episode and said: by snowpuff	Apr 25th, 2007 10:41:41 AM
"Eh. This one's not so good. I shall alert my readers." Just sayin'
Hurley, you are not the father by purplemonkeydw	Apr 25th, 2007 10:41:57 AM
Yes! Finger point! Finger point! Finger point!
So by "all my life" by SithMenace	Apr 25th, 2007 10:42:46 AM
he probably means "All of my working life" or "All of my adult life" or something to that effect. That makes sense, especially with him.
Sun's final destination...(SPOILER ALERT)!!!!! by biggles2_22	Apr 25th, 2007 10:43:05 AM
It was on Spoilerrific.com that it's revealed in tonights episode that Sun was on her way to a very special taping of Maury Povich Show (Who Be Your Daddy?).
Herc, have you ever seen a Lost episode and said: by snowpuff	Apr 25th, 2007 10:43:28 AM
"Eh. This one's not so good. I shall alert my readers." Just sayin'
Gamechanger? by arcade fireman	Apr 25th, 2007 10:46:19 AM
Just thinking logically here, we know the island is a physical place and obviously people can travel there by sub, or by plane (815/Dharma Food Drops)so I'm not sure I can buy them being in another dimension, etc. More likely to me is that the people that fund Jacob and the Others somehow faked a crash site so that people wouldn't look for flight 815. They don't want people stubling on the island. Lord knows they could have gotten airplane wreckage. Shit, the real wreckage went out to sea with the tide so maybe that was what was found. Ultimately I believe that everything on this show will have a logical, scientifically believable answer. I don't believe we are entering into Sci-Fi territory here but I guess it is possible. Just seems that faking the crash site to throw off any search party makes the most sense.
Esmond Chung as Paik's associate... by Kid Z	Apr 25th, 2007 10:47:12 AM
... Jean Chung as Paik... and Kam Fong as Chin Ho???
And I was nearly done with this show after Eko's death. by Cameron1	Apr 25th, 2007 10:49:48 AM
Silly, silly me. It's been rocking the shit since Flashes Before Your Eyes and all signs are pointing to the mother of all season finales. Jin and Sun flashbacks are some of my favourites, especially the ones from the first season.
I'm also in the camp by Bloo	Apr 25th, 2007 10:50:35 AM
that says that the Others/Jacob/Dhrama(where's Greg, ok bad joke, and an old one, but I'm getting silly at work)/Mittelos/blah blah blah faked a crash to stop the world from looking for Flight 815...ok but what does that mean for Claire's bird?
Arcade Fireman by SithMenace	Apr 25th, 2007 10:51:56 AM
I think you're probably right, but the only thing that makes me think something's weird is how they knocked Julia out for the ride there and Ethan told her it was a "difficult trip". There was something they didn't want her to know.
Damn... by Kid Z	Apr 25th, 2007 10:52:21 AM
...you "meh"!!!
Bai Ling's three episodes by Jor-El23	Apr 25th, 2007 10:57:02 AM
the last pointless jack flashback and then final two pointless jack flashbacks that end the season. just my guess. I'm sure someone has said this already though.
Sending Ethan... by GOB Adama	Apr 25th, 2007 10:59:28 AM
That was an odd one, but I got the impression that there are those among the Others more 'invested' (if you will) in whatever is going on than the rest (Ben, of course, certainly Ethan, probably Tom and Goodwin also). We also don't know the exact nature of 'the lists' the were to make (good and bad is relative) and for all we know a limited number of Others were capable of making the lists. Further consider that Ethan showed some serious kick-assery and his mission may not have been seen as all that dangerous (boy Ben screwed up on THAT assesment). Taken together, I ultimately concluded that Ben had few options other than sending Ethan and Goodwin (note he did it quickly and they were off like shots) and he expected them back. Thus, sending Ethan was simply 'the thing to do', tumor or not. Personally, I do beleive that it was most likely a writer SNAFU. These things happen and it does not undermine the overall integrity of the show. The rationale I posted above is simply as good a reason as any to gloss it over, given the information.
Also according to EW by SithMenace	Apr 25th, 2007 11:08:27 AM
Next week's episode will give us the answer to one of season 1's biggest mysteries, "something we set up way back in season 1" says Lindelof. Then the week after, May 9th, the episode title is "The man behind the curtain", and is Ben's flashback episode. So as good as this show has been lately, it's just going to keep getting better until the finale.
Next Week by mordiceius	Apr 25th, 2007 11:13:35 AM
I think i'm more excited for next weeks episode than this one. and good god, i would give my left nut to see the finale tonight.
Can they just show Rose and Bernard ? . . . by Nice Marmot	Apr 25th, 2007 11:17:01 AM
. . . Just for a second. Just sunning on the beach and yelling howdy at the main characters. It's all I ask.
The submarine is a red herring by UltraMeerkat	Apr 25th, 2007 11:17:55 AM
That's my theory: Juliet was drugged and transported to the island by some alternate method yet to be seen, and then placed in the submarine to make her think she'd been transported by it. The "real" method might be by TARDIS or wormhole for all we know....
GOB Adama by Bloo	Apr 25th, 2007 11:24:04 AM
I was thinking on similar lines as to why send Ethan. he was heavily invested in the island, showed keen discernemt, at least "Others discernment", Ben probably wanted someone trustworthy who wasn't going get involved in the Losties lives (i.e. Juliet, I think we're going to see her not go back to the Others because she falls in with the Losties ue ot her concerns about Claire, Aaron, and Sun, baby Sun). I think Ben's wish for a back surgen is going to backfire, look how many Other's they have lost to the Losties, important Others. I've always said that this show is ultimatly about redemtion. I could point out several things I've pointed out before, but I'm wondering if all this isn't forcing toward Ben's redemtion. His selfish nature and abuse of the Island's "power" for example.
That's an interesting point Meerkat by SithMenace	Apr 25th, 2007 11:24:59 AM
We never got to see the sub in action, and that could possibly be why Ben was so anxious for Locke to blow it up, because he knew he would have an uprising if Jack and Juliet got on it and it didn't work. Plus he didn't want them to leave. But if that's the case, then Ben may have knowingly sent Michael and Walt to their deaths in a little boat with no supplies.
Regarding Michael and Walt leaving by Fount of Useless Info	Apr 25th, 2007 11:31:21 AM
I pointed this out here last week and what has become of Michael and Walt has come up a couple times already today...Ben never told Michael and Walt that they would reach the mainland. He said that if they stayed on a heading of 325, they would "reach help." This is very different and can mean all sorts of things from the people who consider kidnapping, forcible injections and murder part of being the "good guys."
Couple Things by kbaker13	Apr 25th, 2007 11:35:26 AM
First I think the whole 3rd group of hostiles is just wishful thinking. We all wanted the Others to be a group of crazy savages (I still remember how I felt when we saw the black smoke in season 1 and thought the Others were coming to kill the Losties). Anyway, I am pretty sure there is not another group, and people are reading too much into it and hearing what they want to hear. I may be wrong, but it doesnt seem to make sense for there to be another group (unless it is Dharma). Also, I am begining to believe that they did not just crash on some island and that it may be some kind of experiment/ fake island (sort of like the Truman show but not really). This is why they drugged Juliet and placed her on the sub to make her think it was a long, rough journey, but it wasnt. This is also why Ben wanted it blown up so it was identified as useless (as someone stated earlier). Im not sure how the Losties got there thought but Namoi (?) message may play into this fact as well.
Tonagan by Leopold Scotch	Apr 25th, 2007 11:36:10 AM
It looks like your wish has been granted (you seem to have some kind of power over this site that none of us do). All the Rose/Bernard people, I can see where you're coming from, but what would be easier: adding a throwaway line or two in order to reassure everyone that the couple are still there, but that they've reached a certain resolution OR transporting both actors over to Hawaii for a cameo that lasts about four seconds, then having to pay them for their troubles, all for the sake of realism?
Sub by Threzor	Apr 25th, 2007 11:38:16 AM
Even though we've never seen the sub it's been implied that it is used by the Others (to take Desmond's boat)... The Others talked about it amongst themselves with no Losties around, what would be the point of their conversation if nobody was around to dupe?
Man, I wish I didn't see that spoiler... by wolfboy74	Apr 25th, 2007 11:40:12 AM
Ughh. BUt my theory that Jack will go over (or always be) to the dark side still stands. Based on nothing I read; but what WASN'T written. I'll wait and see if anyone slams me like the bitch in heat I am before I post more...
Writers by kbaker13	Apr 25th, 2007 11:42:26 AM
Also, is anyone else worried that the two people responsible for the Hurley van ep and the Expose ep are responsible for tonights ep. I liked those other two eps but they did not really fit into the story line of Lost and what was happening. It is too late in the season for a filler/ fun episode. it is crunch time and there are too many awesome things happening or about to happen to have an episode like the other two. Just a little worried, even though it sounds like tonights ep is going to be good. ( the next two should be really awesome).
If the Losties think the Others left by snowpuff	Apr 25th, 2007 11:44:58 AM
Then why didn't they all move into their nice homes? Wouldn't you?
Oh by wolfboy74	Apr 25th, 2007 11:45:36 AM
--and as I've stated: I bet Juliette & The Others impregnated Sun. Y'know, one by one...eww, gross. No, but we've already seen Juliette knock up her tranny brother, er, sister.
Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you the "Gamechanger" by Novaman5000	Apr 25th, 2007 11:45:49 AM
Her name is Naomi, she likes long walks on the beach, chicken fajitas, and sharing secrets with best friends... And what she has to tell the Losties will be the bomb we've been waiting for. [DISCLAIMER: Ok, so I don't know that for sure, and I don't know exactly what she's going to say, but I do know that what she tells Hurley is a huge WTF moment and could very well shatter alot of the theories out there. Coincidentally, a post I made as a crazy "what if" last week looks like it may have been closer to the truth than I thought.]
That being said, I'm out of here until tonight. by Novaman5000	Apr 25th, 2007 11:47:49 AM
Since I've only been spoiled on one word of what Naomi will say tonight, I'd like to keep it that way.
The plane that crashed on the beach by Jor-El23	Apr 25th, 2007 11:48:02 AM
remember way back in episode 3 I believe. Someone spotted the Dharma logo on the plane wreckage.
Ohhhhh by wolfboy74	Apr 25th, 2007 11:49:51 AM
THAT'S what a "game-changer" is. I thought it was when you 'go play for the other team' . hahaha That sounds right. And that spoiler up top sound f*cked up!? Again, wish I could've stopped myself from peeking.
I think it's very possible by SithMenace	Apr 25th, 2007 11:59:49 AM
there is a third group on the island, because the Others definitely had security issues before the Losties showed up. You could say the fence was there because of Smokey, but if they were on an island by themselves, why would they need to carry guns all the time when they're outside of the fence, ie on the other island? And I don't believe the fence was for Smokey in the first place because Juliet said "We don't know what it is but we know it doesn't like our fence", meaning the fence was there for another reason and they only realized Smokey doesn't like their fence. Basically what I'm getting at is if they were on a deserted island that no one could get to, why would they need a fence and guns? Unless they purposely crash a plane there once a year, but that's a whole other post.
Can't wait by Overworkedanunderfucked	Apr 25th, 2007 12:00:25 PM
Every episode since have been back from the break (Aside from the one about how Jack got his tattoos) his been at the least very good. I think by the end of the season Lost will have almost fully redeemed itself.
Nice Marmot by slone13	Apr 25th, 2007 12:02:01 PM
The producer's have stated that the actors who play Rose and Bernard were not available this season due to prior committments. They are alive and well and will be seen again next season. Until then we will have to make due with quick one-liners making reference to them, ala Sawyer mentioning that he stole Bernard's casette tape to give to Kate.
Watching season 2 last night on DVD by emeraldboy	Apr 25th, 2007 12:04:34 PM
On the episode three minutes, sayid, though i could be wrong, secretly followed Micheal in to the jungle, he pretended to be tied up with a bag over his head. he had slits in it so see where he was going and was used to fighting in the darkness. Sayid, is no fool and being an interrogator and a hunter and a marksman, knows how to keep himself ahead of the game, he is losties secert weapon because he knows how to gain information and more crucially, understands war and he understands where the hostiles are coming from. Iraqs have said to the americans. this is our land and we dont want you here and the reason you are here is because we let you stay, he knows that americans go with thier gut. We saw what he did to ben in season two to get information. Micheal Emerson is the best thing that ever happened to this program and watching is always great. Like all grest actor emerson knows that its all in the eyes.
just three questions by emeraldboy	Apr 25th, 2007 12:07:43 PM
who is Mister Lashade aka the cobra?. and is he the real bad guy? where are the children?.
Anyone else think Walt = Jacob? by Slugworth	Apr 25th, 2007 12:07:58 PM
Just wondering.
If the shark had eaten the Fonz... by DarthCorleone	Apr 25th, 2007 12:08:17 PM
...everything would be o.k. Mikhail alive? WTF? Why am I reading spoilers? I love this show!
Cap'n Jack by PwnedByStallone	Apr 25th, 2007 12:21:50 PM
There you go again. Why?
Relax, I'm here. by PwnedByStallone	Apr 25th, 2007 12:23:36 PM
I know you've all been wondering, "Where the hell is Pwned. I value his tremendous knowledge of Lost and his insightful theories."
That said. by PwnedByStallone	Apr 25th, 2007 12:25:23 PM
I'll be with Novaman and avoiding the spoilers until after the show. Later. Please guys--no tears.
never mind bonedbystallone, Cap'n Jack by Guy Gaduois	Apr 25th, 2007 12:28:19 PM
I'm on a flight tonight and now I don't have to sweat it. Thank you very much. Glad you're well and hope you're no longer perched atop your balls . . . unless that's how you roll.
Lost/Heroes by Fount of Useless Info	Apr 25th, 2007 12:32:14 PM
Just noticing that pretty much the same people that were over in the Heroes talkback Monday and yesterday are over here now (but no anchorite). What's wrong with you people, don't you have jobs or lives? Oh, wait, I'm still here too. Never mind.
link to the source of the summary... by jccalhoun	Apr 25th, 2007 12:36:13 PM
Rather than paste the entire summary here so that it is hard to avoid why not post a link to the spoiler summary? http://urltea.com/flm
Cap'n Jack... by -guyinthebackrow	Apr 25th, 2007 12:36:14 PM
Thanks for the synopsis. I gave up on LOST after the 'clip-show' episode a.k.a TASG epi. But I'm still slightly interested in what's going on. I'll probably watched the season finale with the hope that something rekindles my interest. So, once again, thanks for the description of the episode.
I'm looking forward to this episode by Fount of Useless Info	Apr 25th, 2007 12:55:21 PM
Since Insiderscoop usually has the opposite opinion I do in which episodes are good and which are bad, and he declared this one "lame".
last week's easter egg by The 76th Cave	Apr 25th, 2007 01:03:50 PM
Did anyone else hear Hurley start to talk about the chupacabra during the ghost story scene? wasn't there a faked "leaked" script about the monster being one of these? Funny...
Cap 'n Jack by Yogsoggoth	Apr 25th, 2007 01:04:28 PM
Thanks for the synopsis it saves me the trouble of having to watch the episode. Once again, Harry is on crack. I don't see anything in your synopsis that would show this episode to be any more interesting than anything else that has been thrown at us for the last two seasons. And the game changer - totally lame.
76th cave by Fount of Useless Info	Apr 25th, 2007 01:08:02 PM
It wasn't El Chupacabra in the fake script. It was a mapinguari (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Mapinguari) When did Hurley say something about the goat-sucker? I must have missed that.
Horowitz/Kitsis by Ribbons	Apr 25th, 2007 01:14:54 PM
Tend to have the most "oh, we all know about this thing because we totally talked about it off-screen" moments in their episodes. Lazy writing, if you ask me. "Hey, you're that eyepatch guy that we all conveniently know about!"
Yeah, that ticks me right off, too, Ribbons. by Childe Roland	Apr 25th, 2007 01:28:42 PM
The cardinal sin of writing is telling something when you could show it, and that applies tenfold to TV writing. Lost doesn't tend to do that (although it uses flashbacks like a crutch, another common writer error). About the only thing a TV writer can do that's worse than extensive exposition is to treat an important plot point -- like the sharing of knowledge about an enemy -- as though it's a non-Paulo trip to the crapper. You see, with stuff like going to the bathroom, viewers just assume it happens when the characters are off screen. Thing is, we hardly ever see anyone on the island share information of any kind, so there's no way we can be expected to believe there was some kind of meeting where Kate and Sayid briefed everyone on Patchy.
The 76th Cave by PwnedByStallone	Apr 25th, 2007 01:32:13 PM
So now Nicole Richie is on the island? Oh well.
Ribbons & Roland by Fount of Useless Info	Apr 25th, 2007 01:33:51 PM
I know what you mean. It would be one thing to have the "they already told me" moments if they had established that people talk about these things. If they had shown it multiple times before, it is believable, in this case, they haven't and it's even well established that they don't share information. (cf. Season One Michael: "Polar Bear?" Charlie: "You didn't hear about the Polar Bear?" as well as all the arguments about the clique running off into the jungle without anyone else)
Walt isn't Jacob... by DanielKurland	Apr 25th, 2007 01:56:42 PM
Once again, Lindelof and Cuse have stated that we have not met Jacob yet. He'll be a new character.
Okay, maybe Walt =/ Jacob, but ... by Slugworth	Apr 25th, 2007 02:00:42 PM
I still think he is the "La Shade" character that is revealed to be a bad guy season 4. Out of all the characters, he makes the most sense to me.
Slugworth by Fount of Useless Info	Apr 25th, 2007 02:15:26 PM
So, are you saying that Walt is the big bad of the whole show? That is at the same time the most horrific and most awesome idea I have ever heard. I have no idea how they could handle that without it being too absurd.
irritating... by Bloo	Apr 25th, 2007 02:15:43 PM
to hear "oh yeah Kate told us about you" when they could have showed last week Kate talking to them about it before treeking off into the jungle, you don't even have to have a dialog, just a scene of Kate explaining things. another cf to people not talking is Sayid and Locke "well if you had told me there was C4" or something like that. But maybe they'll make refrenece to the fact that Sayid and Kate learned their lesson and are freely sharing info now, I won't be happy but will be satisfied
Everett Robert by Fount of Useless Info	Apr 25th, 2007 02:18:25 PM
The difference there is that Locke saying that was a set up for us (and Sayid) finding out later that Locke did know and that he lied about it, because he had taken the C4.
Fount... by The 76th Cave	Apr 25th, 2007 02:19:48 PM
my bad...I thought it was the chupa...he was saying it just as the audio trailed off to focus on Des and Charlie talking.
Fount of Useless info by Bloo	Apr 25th, 2007 02:23:10 PM
I see the difference in that, but I believe a precendt still remains in that the Losties don't talk to each other otherwise Locke couldn't have used it as an excuse, I'm hoping that Kate and Sayid learned from that mistake and are not sharing lots of information
Team Morlock by jimbojones123	Apr 25th, 2007 02:36:50 PM
The Blueskins are the ones controling everything. Dharma turned underground after deciding not to fight with the others. It could be since 815 had Dharma ties that the "real" crash scene is fake and the media was covering a crash of an alternate plane. Dharma may have brough the losties to the island to bring down the others. Oh, and Naomi may be a Dharma plant too and have nothing to do with Penny. Never trust anybody on this thing.
Useless Info by Slugworth	Apr 25th, 2007 02:44:25 PM
I guess what I am saying is, if the La Shade bit is actual foreshadowing and not just a red herring, Walt is the only character that makes any sense to me. Who else could it be? It wouldn't make sense to be Jack/Sawyer/Kate/Locke. The first three didn't even know that there were two islands. Locke spent a lot of season two pushing that button and not knowing if it was real. Etc. Doesn't seem like it could be Sayid. Definitely not Desmond. Hurley? A possibility, I suppose. (It would be a cool twist to find out that Hurley was actually willing all the people around him to die.) But I don't think it could be Hurley because of the ep where he thought everything was in his mind. [p]That leaves Walt. We know that his adoptive dad thought he was creepy and no longer wanted him around. We know he was one of the few characters determined to stay on the island (he burned the raft). He was present when Shannon was shot. I think there is enough there to connect the dots, if the writers go in that direction. Then again, the La Shade stuff could be a red herring.
"What the hell is is a "REVERSE shark jump"?" by Napoleon Park	Apr 25th, 2007 02:46:20 PM
This phrase came up a few weeks ago. Someone asked what the opposite of a Shark Jump is, and that's the "official" term. (this may bore some of you since it explains a catch phrase that became popular a few years ago.) a guy named Jon Hein and a friend were discussing TV and how some shows reach a high point where they're as good as they ever get and then go down-hill. Jon's friend referenced the Happy Days episode in which The Fonz jumped over a shark on water skis. The phrase "jump the shark" took on the meaning they were discussing and Jon started a web site by that name. Tracy Carson started an affiliated Yahoo! group which Dean Anderson (Not MacGyver) moderated. After a few years I joined and contributed regularly so when Dean had to take a hiatus I was asked to fill in as 'assistant' moderator under my Yahoo! ID "Poppaspank". --- So the 'official' answer to the topic line question is, a "Shark Jump", or when a show Jumps The Shark [tm], is when it begins to get bad. A "Reverse Shark Jump" is when a show that has begun it's downhill slide reverses the trend and begins to get good again. Clearly, in this example, "Lost" is considered to have 'jumped the shark' in it's Others-centric sophomore-slump season, and has clearly picked up steam and "reverse jumped" during the post-hiatus third season. *** For those of you who already knew all that, sorry to bore you, but someone asked. [I know AICN doesn't want people promoting their own projects here, but since Jon sold off the Jump The Shart brand name, web site and concept to TV Guide the Yahoo! group has been in it's own post-jump decline. We could use some new chum... er, members, if anyone here would like to sign in. > http://tinyurl.com/g2uoh < [And, hey AICN guys, please don't delete this, we plug (and link to) your site over there all the time.]
Any assclown who claims they read the synopsis... by Professor Falcon	Apr 25th, 2007 02:48:59 PM
...to save themself the "trouble" of watching the episode is a flat out liar. And, as I already noted, an assclown.
Professor Falcon by PwnedByStallone	Apr 25th, 2007 02:52:27 PM
A-fucking-mem.
What we know about walt is by emeraldboy	Apr 25th, 2007 02:58:09 PM
He can appear all over the island seemingly at will. he can make objects come to life. polar bears, birds, etc. this kid has an awesome power. My guess is and it is only a guess is that when Micheal and Walt got to the destination given to them by ben, something really bad happened to Micheal. and that point harrold perrineau walked off the show in disgust. Lost can be brutal. And the producers have all the power in lives and who dies. They wanted micheal to die and a row errupted. Micheal did not know or want to know how powerful his son is. Micheal is not his real dad, i dont think. It would be cool if the lost producers aquired the services of Yapphet kotto. And that he turns out to be this Lashade character/jacob character. And that everyone works for him and that they dont mention him because he is that scary. When they stumble upon the Swan. and the film. It says on the bottom of the screen 3 of 6. which menas that there more hatches. This I presume will lead the losties into much darker territory and a confontation at some stage with this jacob/lashade/cobra guy.
Falcon and pwned by Leopold Scotch	Apr 25th, 2007 03:22:20 PM
I agree. I mean really, is it really like reading those posts is the same as watching the show? Should I just write out some sequences of events and put them up on the internet, thus doing away with the need for any TV shows ever? Cos by some of the logic on this thread, it's a viable option. I don't come to the talkbacks for spoilers - I enjoy speculating about the shows. But after having Heroes and Lost spoiled this week by accidently reading poorly hidden spoilers, I've started asking why people post them. It's obvious that I should avoid posts by cap'n jack etc, because he's been doing it for a while now and there's fair warning, but I feel sorry for people who follow the show by reading spoilers and not by watching it.
Professor Falcon by jimbojones123	Apr 25th, 2007 03:23:04 PM
I bet the TIVO will be out in full force for multiple viewings even. I love the "I'm too smart for this show" stance.
Quit Ripping Off "SpoilersLost.Blogspot!" by Read and Shut Up	Apr 25th, 2007 03:24:55 PM
Herc (or whoever): All you do, week in and week out, is cut out the ep summary - verbatum - from spoilerslost.blogspot and past it here. Not cool. Can't you watch the episode and come up with your own summary? Seriously.
Leopold Scotch by jimbojones123	Apr 25th, 2007 03:27:47 PM
I don't know if I feel sorry for them, I just wonder what is the point. Why invest over an hour scanning these talkback and post multiple times in them just to brag about not wanting to waste your time watching. Different Folks -- Silly Folks. But if it is the one ego stroke they can get -- Congrats on being the only one that can do it for yourself. Unless someone reading actually says to themselves "that person is so smart for reading the recap and not watching the show, I wish I thought about that". You never know???
Eh, not so sure... by Jaka	Apr 25th, 2007 03:31:47 PM
...that I'd be pittying anybody yet. The last 6 or so eps have been MUCH improved. But they haven't come close to reaching the brilliance of season one or to making up for the crap that was a great majority of season two (and the beginning of season three for that matter). I decided a long time ago that the only way to properly judge this series will be to watch the entire thing on DVD when it's done and over.
Cuse and Lindelof on Jacob by Ribbons	Apr 25th, 2007 03:35:02 PM
They did NOT say that we've never seen Jacob before. I listened to that podcast as well and what they actually said about Jacob was something qualitatively different.
Ribbon by Slugworth	Apr 25th, 2007 03:50:26 PM
So what did they say?
Heres one for ya'all.. by Lone_Gunman	Apr 25th, 2007 03:52:38 PM
Its appears theres not alotta people here keen on the upcoming Jack centric esps, with the previous ones being crap despite bai ling (yawn) being in it, but maybe in these flashbacks we see whos jacks wife boning in her affair, I bet that could be important, how? I dunno. Just thought I put it out there. After all we thought it was christian - Jacks's dad, biu it wasnt..hmm
Too something. by PwnedByStallone	Apr 25th, 2007 03:58:43 PM
It's pretty obvious that the people who think they are too smart for this show are actually too stupid for it. It's human nature to piss on what you don't understand. Like the 5 people on this site who "don't know what all the fuss is about" after watching Children of Men. All we can do is educate and hope they come around. Part of the problem is posts like emeraldboy's above about Walt. We don't really "know" any of those things but he posts it as if it was a foregone conclusion and elevates expectations into the stratosphere. And then there is the bullshit Cap'n Jack cuts and pastes. I mean read the first couple sentences. The writer says he was almost not going to write anything because this coming episode is "so lame" but then writes two full pages of detailed spoilers because he is either a geeky fan that doesn't want to admit it, or he's trying to ruin it for everyone else and rain on their parade because he's so miserable that he wants everyone else to be too. Well he can lick my balls for all I care because I fucking love this show and no one's going to take it from me.
Capn Jack-Ass(tm) by biggles2_22	Apr 25th, 2007 04:07:51 PM
I re-named him a month ago and I sure wish you guys would refer to him as such. Biggles out!
If the identity of Jacob is a "shocker" by Slugworth	Apr 25th, 2007 04:08:10 PM
Then it HAS to be someone that the audience is familiar with. Who would be "shocked" by some new character that we've never seen before. Unless, Jacob is a dolphin or something stupid. I'm sticking with Walt.
Slugworth by Ribbons	Apr 25th, 2007 04:10:54 PM
Basically what Bilbo Fatwa posted above: That Jacob is not Billy Dee Williams. You can argue about what they meant if you want, but that's all they technically said... I'd rather that Jacob was a stranger, believe me. I think Walt, or Jack, or Jack's dad, or whoever revealing themselves to be Jacob would be lame beyond belief. But I think sometimes people just hear what they want to hear. Sort of like the "Christian is DEAD and stay DEAD!" thing. They definitely didn't say that last part, or even imply it, at all. Yet that's the answer Bilbo wanted, so that's what he told us they said.
Thanks Ribbons by Slugworth	Apr 25th, 2007 04:15:13 PM
And Walt = Jacob will not be "lame beyond belief." Trust me you will believe how lame it is: lame like a fox.
Maybe I've had by Lone_Gunman	Apr 25th, 2007 04:19:31 PM
too many smokes...but what if penny has a sex change op and has come back as....Jacob! erk! maybe I need to cut back on the smokes
Tom Cruise by Lone_Gunman	Apr 25th, 2007 04:26:25 PM
....I think Tom Cruise is too short to be Jacob
Funny by tbransonlives	Apr 25th, 2007 04:42:16 PM
I was just talking to a friend who also watches the show about how greats it been lately and the only bad thing was they killed off Mikhail too quickily.
odd by Hansorg	Apr 25th, 2007 04:46:53 PM
We get five stars from Herc, Ausiello seems to be salivating over it, yet the Dark UFO insiderscoop guy says it's "too lame to even write about." WTF.
I am thinking that Jacob by emeraldboy	Apr 25th, 2007 04:59:02 PM
is Kelvin. because Clancy brown is that type of an actor. He can play monstrous. Look at carnvale and Shawshank. Or Its Micheal! eat that!
Drive has been cancelled by photoboy	Apr 25th, 2007 05:04:16 PM
Poor old Tim Minear, always making stuff that Fox likes to cancel.
or...... by emeraldboy	Apr 25th, 2007 05:05:49 PM
its Sayid. Sayid is the only character on the show that comes from the middle east. or and this would be a real turn up for the books. Jacob is none other than Mister Ecko. It could be that mister Ecko didnt die after all. We dont know mister Ecko's real name was . It could be jacob. or its John Locke.
Thanks Bilbo by Ribbons	Apr 25th, 2007 05:06:26 PM
For the convenience of those who have not yet downloaded your audio file, a transcript of the response here: -“Well, y’know… for those of you who believe the opposite, you’re wrong. For those of you who believe Christian Shepard is dead, you’re vindicated.” “Well how ‘bout that, another definitive answer. Of course, Carlton might be talking about the word dead in a way that you don’t fully understand yet.” ******************* That seems relatively open-ended if you ask me, but the main thing is that not once did either of them say that Christian Shepard is never coming back. Or "staying dead," as you put it. I know that sounds like a ridiculous thing to even point out, but consider the fact that Mikhail is seemingly back this week, after being considerably dead for 5 episodes. I wouldn't mind being proven incorrect about something the producers said, but I'm not sure I can agree with you on this particular point yet.
as in.... by emeraldboy	Apr 25th, 2007 05:10:25 PM
youre dead to me. people pretending to be dead so that they can build a new life somewhere else. dead can also mean lying low.
as in.... by emeraldboy	Apr 25th, 2007 05:11:16 PM
youre dead to me. people pretending to be dead so that they can build a new life somewhere else. dead can also mean lying low. Maybe Christian Faked his own death.
The highlight of this episode for me by huserzem	Apr 25th, 2007 05:12:01 PM
Will be when the preview for next weeks episode comes on and I get super-pumped up when they play the Requiem for a Dream music. God that music gets me going, its so original to use it for that purpose [end sarcasm]
Nathan Fillion was better by Hansorg	Apr 25th, 2007 05:15:02 PM
as Kate's cop husband for 3 total minutes than in the whole of Drive.
another thing dead might mean by Bloo	Apr 25th, 2007 05:17:00 PM
ok this may be stretching it but I'm in the last 15 minutes of work and I can't cut out because I gotta lock up...but dead could mean that "Christian Shepard" is dead but "Jacob" isn't...maybe Christian Shepard was born into Jacob on the island...or maybe I'm just stretching, nonetheless I'm getting antsy
Okay, Bilbo... by Ribbons	Apr 25th, 2007 05:26:38 PM
I apologize for cutting that piece of conversation out of my transcript, but I don't really see how that changes anything.
Who is Jacob? by Fount of Useless Info	Apr 25th, 2007 05:30:37 PM
If Jacob is a "shocker" as well as someone we haven't seen yet, I think we combine this with the theory that Ben's episode is called "The Man Behind The Curtain" because he is Jacob and come up with the theory that Jacob is... a mutant growing out of Ben, a la Kuato in Total Recall.
Why by Leopold Scotch	Apr 25th, 2007 05:42:44 PM
Why has everyone convinced themselves about Christian/Jacob? The guy was a spinal surgeon: how much time is he going to have to mastermind all this stuff? His body disappeared. Is that all you're going on?
Leopold Scotch by Dapper Swindler	Apr 25th, 2007 05:48:11 PM
I feel your pain. I think people have seen too many movies/comics where the big villain turns out to be someone of the same archetype in the story as Jack's dad and they are subconsciously imposing the same story structure upon Lost - regardless of any rationale evidence. I just hope Jacob is revealed soon so it will end. By the way, Yemi's body was found missing too right? I guess Yemi is Jacob.
Bilbo by Ribbons	Apr 25th, 2007 05:48:37 PM
They did say that in a previous podcast but, like I said earlier, Mikhail was pretty dead in "Par Avion." Or at least, comatose and jacked up. It's not like bleeding out the ears is something to sneeze at. What I think they may have meant by the comment about people being dead and staying dead is that they don't decide to bring back people who they didn't plan on bringing back before they were killed, if that makes sense. I'm not saying Christian ISN'T dead, even in the conventional semse, just saying I don't know yet.
Dapper by Leopold Scotch	Apr 25th, 2007 05:52:24 PM
Yeah, the thing is, I wouldn't mind if it turned out to be someone we already know (though I would be more satisfied if it's just someone we've run into, not the likes of Jack or something), but I just find it strange how people have attached themselves to Christian with such determination.
When I say "run into" by Leopold Scotch	Apr 25th, 2007 06:00:03 PM
I mean someone we've seen every now and again, not someone regular, whose revealing as Jacob would make you look at every line of dialogue they've ever had (I'd kinda like it to be like the Ethan reveal in season 1, which was so cool).
Mikhail was OBVIOUSLY still alive after the fence... by Ravetin	Apr 25th, 2007 06:00:45 PM
...supposedly fried his brain or whatever. After Kate and Co. walked away there was a close up of his supposed corpse complete with eerie music. Pretty obvious foreshadowing, so I don't think it's a good argument against the "Christian is dead" notion. Although, I guess you could consider the empty coffin and Christian walking around the beach foreshadowing but....fuck you, man. Also, I really hope Naomi's revelation (if true) isn't another Statue Leg, where they just put it out there and forget about it. If they drop a bomb like that they better come back to it soon.
SAY GOODBYE TO 30 ROCK by Quin the Eskimo	Apr 25th, 2007 06:15:48 PM
Bitches.. you'll see.
No more 30 Rock? by Fount of Useless Info	Apr 25th, 2007 06:20:23 PM
Well, it has made me feel like a fool for the last time. That rude, thoughtless little pig.
Perhaps Baldwinless? by Quin the Eskimo	Apr 25th, 2007 06:23:27 PM
http://www.drudgereport.com/fl ash9b.htm
'Drive' was cancelled this afternoon by Fox... by Pennsy	Apr 25th, 2007 06:29:04 PM
Per Mike Ausiello's sources: http://tinyurl.com/2q9z6f. The Tim Minear jinx strikes again. 3 episodes, for those who had an over/under pool going on when it would go bye bye.
Where are you HERC by Quin the Eskimo	Apr 25th, 2007 06:30:46 PM
Goldwater is crying.
Dapper and Leopold by Ribbons	Apr 25th, 2007 06:33:40 PM
I don't exactly know why you think I think (or worse, think I WANT to think) that Christian Shepard is Jacob. I used his name and then referred to the possibility of him turning out to be Jacob as 'lame beyond belief' because that's like the worst case scenario for me. Hinting that he might not be dead doesn't mean I want him to be or think that he IS Jacob. It's not as if I think Mikhail is Jacob, although you never know.
Wasn't aiming at you Ribbons by Leopold Scotch	Apr 25th, 2007 06:44:01 PM
I just realised that it was a very prominent topic on the talkbacks the past few weeks.
Pennsy by ElPaw	Apr 25th, 2007 06:44:04 PM
make that 4 episodes. Will they not even show those remaining episodes that have been shot?
"Shocking" Jacob by Steve_Dooku	Apr 25th, 2007 06:44:25 PM
Slugworth is right, for the reveal of Jacob to be "shocking" the audience would need to relate to the shocking-ness. The only way to do that is for Jacob to be somebody we've seen or at least heard about. Either that of "Jacob" is not a who, but a what.
My take on Jacob (INSANE RANT WARNING) by Ribbons	Apr 25th, 2007 06:56:09 PM
I'm not sure if all of the pieces fit here, and I'm not sure if this is a theory that I totally commit to myself, but it's the closest to a complete one that I can come up with. I think that "Jacob" is more like a spirit than an actual person, per se. I don't think that the identity of "Ben" is entirely corporeal either, although the vessel "he" inhabits is, and parts of his personality belong to whoever Ben used to be. That's what I think the producers mean when they say he was "born" on the island, but not conceived there (part of this theory is also based on the idea that Ben and Jacob share a connection between names, which most of you are probably already aware of). He was infused with some sort of knowledge or understanding of the nature of the island that made him special. I do think (or at least hope) that whoever Jacob is in body will initially be someone we haven't met before, but that either he or one of the Losties will die, and his consciousness or knowledge will be transferred into that person. Likeliest candidates for "Jacob"-ification are Locke and Jack.
Another average episode with a good ending... by DanielKurland	Apr 25th, 2007 06:57:26 PM
NO SPOILERS. Maybe I'm just being more critical, but I didn't think this episode was that earth shattering. I still love the show, but I think it's been at a medium quality, and this episode didn't raise the bar significantly. The ending WAS good, but a good ending doesn't make a fantastic episode. What happens at the end was even predicted by some talkbackers a few weeks back.
RE: Shocking Jacob by Leopold Scotch	Apr 25th, 2007 06:59:42 PM
I just listened to the podcast, and I think people MIGHT be misinterpreting it. This is roughly what they say: After talking about how cool it would be for Jacob to have been Billy Dee Williams (responding to a question about connecting Jacob and "The Cobra"), Carlton says something along the lines of "It'd be cool, but it's not the case" and (this is where it's possibly misinterpreted) Damon says "it'd be a shock, though, that's for sure". I think people are interpreting this as it WILL be a shock when we find out who Jacob is, as opposed to it WOULD be a shock if he turned out to be Billy Dee Williams (he's obviously joking around with this comment). Also, I think they're definitely joking when they add in the comments about Christian being dead in the traditional sense after confirming that he is dead.
Ribbons. by mordiceius	Apr 25th, 2007 07:01:04 PM
FYI. I think you're retarded.
How Wude! by Ribbons	Apr 25th, 2007 07:04:28 PM
Nice to meet you too, mordiceius.
Jacob - Ben insane rant here too by leesheri	Apr 25th, 2007 07:05:41 PM
My take is that they are talking about J.A.C.O.B. or insert K instead of C. I originally thought Mikhail was Jacob, but after he died I gave up on that. ;) Ben I believe is a born again (insert crazy Chinese like religion where killing people is ok, but only if you are one of them). freakin' hell drive was cancelled? I hate FOX! I wasn't crzy about the show, but I love Fillion.
lolhostility by mordiceius	Apr 25th, 2007 07:11:10 PM
What I was trying to say is I think you're getting a little crazy with your theories. I just think Jacob will be someone we know but not anyone that we've guessed. AND FOR THE LOVE OF GOD EVERYONE SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT CHRISTIAN.
unshocking by Steve_Dooku	Apr 25th, 2007 07:49:35 PM
Bah, that's what I get for not listening to the podcast myself. Thanks Leopold.
Maybe you're right by Ribbons	Apr 25th, 2007 07:53:33 PM
That theory of mine looks pretty batshit in retrospect. You've shamed me, mordiceius. I have been shamed. To be fair, though, that's the only wacky theory (or theory in general) that I posited. I did suggest that maybe Christian (who I will stfu about right after this sentence) wasn't "dead" in the strictest sense (either like Yemi's brother, in the 'appropriated-by-Smokey' way, or like Mikhail, in the 'I'm-back-bitches' way), but mostly just to temper other people's claims that the producers said he was totally way dead and not coming back. Uhh, where was I going with this? Time for a paragraph break. ************ If I can explain my reasoning behind the "born on the island" theory (which hopefully makes it a little more understandable, if still crazy), Ben referred to himself as one of the only Others to have been born on the island. If we assume that this is a play on words, then that means he was "born" in some sort of cult sense. But since most of the members of the Others commit to the 'cult mentality' (Pickett, Mikhail, Tom, Ms. Klugh, etc.), there has to be some sort of ritual that separates him from the rest of them. Or at least, that's what I'm guessing. Although I'd kind of like to be wrong in this case. Anyway, there ya go.
Jacob is... by Jimmie Dimmick	Apr 25th, 2007 07:59:58 PM
Jacob...Jake...Jack. Foreshadowed with the BillyDee reveal that the main good guy character is actually the hidden bad guy.
Ribbons by mordiceius	Apr 25th, 2007 08:00:50 PM
That part I'll agree with you. What I think is he was part of Dharma and he was sort of "born again" or "reborn" when he split from Dharma under the leadership of Jacob and caused the revolt. Sorta how people are "born again christians" he was "born on the island". So we can agree on that.
Pearlman by Lone_Gunman	Apr 25th, 2007 08:22:58 PM
I am hearing stuff abt Ron Pearlman being casted as Jacob. Only for that to be a hoax, due to a dodgy castlist publication. Or maybe the producers could be trying to pull a fast one. Even so the revised castlist for next week still shows no Jacob...so maybe we may not yet see Jacob yet. Any news on Pearlman appearing on Lost in any shape or form>
With no sign of a Jacob being cast... by Ravetin	Apr 25th, 2007 08:33:24 PM
...I've been thinking the "J.A.C.O.B." theory, or some form of it, has been looking pretty good. That "God loves you as he lovED Jacob" quote has been bothering me. I heard rumors about scenes of Ben and Locke heading to some monument being shot, but I never bothered to look into them.
J.A.C.O.B. theory? by Ribbons	Apr 25th, 2007 08:44:14 PM
I don't think I understand what this is.
ron pearlman? awesome..... by redfishbluefish	Apr 25th, 2007 08:44:48 PM
bring on the manimals! on second though, why don't we dig up marlon brando and put all that crazy ass makeup on him and cast him as Jacob?
Para-Lucia! by Lt. Kaffee	Apr 25th, 2007 09:09:46 PM
Maybe this lady will stick around a little longer... depending on her proneness to enjoy the brooha and drive.
Uhh... by kyle051554	Apr 25th, 2007 09:14:58 PM
Isn't Mikhail dead? Sure looks awful lively for a corpse...
"Oops." by Ribbons	Apr 25th, 2007 09:18:17 PM
Heh. Good old Hurley.
Wow! by kyle051554	Apr 25th, 2007 09:20:29 PM
Jin kicked Mikhail's ass. Loved that roundhouse kick to the head.
Holy Crap! Bring back TASG Next!!!! by bartendersam	Apr 25th, 2007 09:22:07 PM
Hahah
Boone and Eko by Lt. Kaffee	Apr 25th, 2007 09:42:51 PM
I dunno, i just don't see those two hooking up again. it would be awkward on the beach for sure...
Jeez, I'm in the UK by ElPaw	Apr 25th, 2007 09:43:40 PM
how did I get to see it ahead of the US? I wont spoil the ending (even though it's being talked about above). The Jin v Micky kung fu fight was amazing.
ElPaw.. by Lone_Gunman	Apr 25th, 2007 09:48:15 PM
What ya doing in the UK at 3.44am!!
I'm on an all-nighter by ElPaw	Apr 25th, 2007 09:49:36 PM
Have a project writeup due in on Friday. I thought I'd take a break to watch some lost.
Jin and Sun by Lt. Kaffee	Apr 25th, 2007 09:55:52 PM
Between Jin taking out the Commie and Sun's last threat to prostitute-mom, those two got some definite badass points this episode.
this episode sucks by naked_mandy	Apr 25th, 2007 09:56:10 PM
Five stars?! Come on.
Yeah, really.. by memento108	Apr 25th, 2007 09:58:55 PM
A few interesting things, but I can't see the five-star rating.
Oh...maybe that's why by memento108	Apr 25th, 2007 09:59:26 PM
Holy shit!!!
oh. by naked_mandy	Apr 25th, 2007 09:59:44 PM
mega twist ending. ok i guess its not that sucky. im digging the Requiem for a Dream music in every promo.
Fake their deaths to keep away a search party! by Guerilla_Films	Apr 25th, 2007 09:59:55 PM
Perfect idea when they did it in a Marvel comic book in the 80's. Why can't I remember???
question by Lt. Kaffee	Apr 25th, 2007 10:00:41 PM
hey, i was on the phone for the last convo with juliet... help a brotha out... what was said?
WHAT THE... by kyle051554	Apr 25th, 2007 10:00:43 PM
PLEASE don't tell me they're actually going the "purgatory" route. I'm thinking that the Others created a fake crash site to keep the authorities from discovering the island... what to y'all think?
Attack of the Clones? by Mr. N	Apr 25th, 2007 10:03:07 PM
... I mean, I kind of expected that. Not really all that plot-moving as I would have liked. The stuff with Juliet is the best, she's the most intriguing character (definitely good though, at least that's what I hope). This getting people preggers is a little pervy, but seems to fit with Ben. I hope that there's no machine that brings people to the island (or clones them), that'd just be lame. Clearly the 815ers aren't really dead. The producers have said it's no purgatory, right?
How does Desmond, an RC ex-monk by ElPaw	Apr 25th, 2007 10:03:18 PM
not know any Italian?
next week by MeshGearFoxx	Apr 25th, 2007 10:03:22 PM
man from tallahassee is a goner? man i miss locke
Kafee by Guerilla_Films	Apr 25th, 2007 10:04:23 PM
Sun thanked Juliet. Juliet left a tape message for Ben. She said it was Saturday and that Sun was pregnant and conceived on the island after Jin was sterile. She is still gettign more samples and said she is still missing one from Kate. Which means there might be girl on girl? I KEED!
Anyone speak Italian? by godric	Apr 25th, 2007 10:06:33 PM
Um...does anyone know what Naomi actually said that Mikhail translated as "Thank you." Because...I want to know.
Girl on Girl by ElPaw	Apr 25th, 2007 10:06:36 PM
We did miss a whole night's worth of action when Sun & Julie were in the medical station. Maybe we'll catch up in a future flashback.
Desmond... by Lone_Gunman	Apr 25th, 2007 10:07:16 PM
ElPaw, monks know latin..not italian
Before the purgatory crap starts again... by tonyd1411	Apr 25th, 2007 10:07:16 PM
The writers have said that its NOT purgatory. The others have staged a second flight 815 crash so no one would look for the survivors on the island.
Guerilla_Films by kyle051554	Apr 25th, 2007 10:07:39 PM
You missed the most important part - Juliet said, "I hate you" to Ben after she shut off the recorder, showing that she's obviously not happy about doing what she's doing.
Kyle by Guerilla_Films	Apr 25th, 2007 10:08:30 PM
It's important when a woman says, "I hate you?" All my ex's may have had a point....you right.
kyle by Ribbons	Apr 25th, 2007 10:08:36 PM
Hard to say. I'm not sure the Others have the resources to fake a plane crash, but I guess that's the most logical explanation at this point.
also, if you speak Korean by Guerilla_Films	Apr 25th, 2007 10:09:03 PM
What was Sun's dad saying right before she showed up? There was no translation! Or did I miss that in an earlier callback?
spoilers for this weeks episode and preview by leesheri	Apr 25th, 2007 10:09:55 PM
OK so if chick o' many languages is correct then Ben orchestrated a fake flight 815 crash. I do not believe it is purgatory. Wow Jin is such a great guy. Poor Sun. She should have just given the money to her father and threatened the woman. She is the cause of all her marital problems. Well it was Jin's mother really but Sun made a poor decision. I hate Juliet, and pity her at the same time.
Also... by Ribbons	Apr 25th, 2007 10:10:32 PM
...if everybody from the flight has been recorded as dead, what does that mean for Michael and Walt?
Thanks Guerilla and Kyle! by Lt. Kaffee	Apr 25th, 2007 10:10:34 PM
damn real life intruding on my wednesday LOST fest...
Tony, by NeoMyers	Apr 25th, 2007 10:11:03 PM
OR, and this is out there, I know, somehow the minuscule changes Desmond made to the timeline changed it so that everyone DID die and being on the island protects the survivors from the changes. That might explain why, as Damon Lindelof has said about the end, it will be happy but tragic. Maybe they can never leave. Or they'd cease to exist.
Baby Momma Drama by Big Goozoo	Apr 25th, 2007 10:11:04 PM
If Jin can get Sun pregnant after shooting blanks off the island, Kate must be having quintuplets w/ James "Big River" Ford...
oops forgot to mention preview stuff by leesheri	Apr 25th, 2007 10:11:33 PM
Is Locke setting the whole thing up or what? He has Ben and wants Sawyer to kill him? What does he have against Sawyer? Also is anyone else wondering who Jin's real father is?
Locke Meant: HIS DADS TENT! by The_Autistic_Retard	Apr 25th, 2007 10:12:55 PM
Obviously Locke really snuck into his dad's tent and kidnapped him. Probably put a bag over his head and will tell Sawyer it's Ben. That's why Locke "can't do it". Sawyer kills Locke's dad and mayhem happens.
Haha Goozoo by Lt. Kaffee	Apr 25th, 2007 10:13:25 PM
i thought of that too. kate must be ready to start squeezing out a couple pups with all the action she's been into
leesheri by MeshGearFoxx	Apr 25th, 2007 10:15:09 PM
yeah her taking the money from her father does cause their marital problems but she didn't know that at the time. Her biggest concern was preventing Jin's shame from the lady telling him the truth. Of course hindsight is 20/20. And look at how she was crying to know that the baby was Jin's - not crying in that should was going to die.
Ribbons my J.A.C.O.B. theory is simple by leesheri	Apr 25th, 2007 10:21:18 PM
Jacob is an acronym for something not someone. Specifically what "it" is I don't know. Super AI or an alien or an angel or the smoke monster. I dunno. Haven't put that much thought into it.
Big questons from this episode: by GregoryHarbin	Apr 25th, 2007 10:22:33 PM
Who is Jin's real father? How did Mikheil survive? Why is Jules still working with the Others if she doesn't want to? How did The Others/DHARMA/Paik Auto stage a fake plane crash? Is Sun's father Jacob/related to DHARMA/related to The Others?
PPUURRGGAATTOORRYYYYYY by Freakemovie	Apr 25th, 2007 10:24:14 PM
Just kidding. Wonder what it is, though. I mean, it could've been the Others staging the crash, as a previous poster assumed, but it's a tricky feat to have a copy of all the castaways' bodies. She said "there were no survivors."
you people are retards by sakkatta	Apr 25th, 2007 10:24:20 PM
faked a crash ? about as dumb as "the sub didn't really blow up"
Vincent is Jacob. by arsonlarsen	Apr 25th, 2007 10:24:45 PM
what do you think?
MeshGearFoxx by leesheri	Apr 25th, 2007 10:26:34 PM
I know and it was really touching. She has made a complete turn around on the island. Maybe she won't die. Maybe the lowered sperm count will be the answer to all their problems.
sakkatta right by leesheri	Apr 25th, 2007 10:27:25 PM
and your answer is?
cooky by leesheri	Apr 25th, 2007 10:29:16 PM
They also have to explain a the existence of the smoke monster, the miraculous healing ability the island has. Come on... are you watching the same show as me? ;)
why is it stupid to believe the crash was faked? by Guerilla_Films	Apr 25th, 2007 10:33:27 PM
Why can we suspend disbelief in the island being unseen by humanity, but not having a faked plane crash? (Which actually could be easy to do in real life. Copperfield made the STatue of Liberty disappear! :) I do agree that the sub not blowing up is a dumb theory though, so you may have me there.
damn will Hiro transport me to 10pm PST please by RokurGepta	Apr 25th, 2007 10:33:30 PM
the next 89 minutes will pass soooo damn slow. I can't friggen wait, I shouldn't even be here reading talkbacks, i have a love/hate relationship with spoilers. on a side note, does anyone know if the tv show named The Winner is still in existence or canceled? thanks in advance
Walt and Michael by Ribbons	Apr 25th, 2007 10:35:04 PM
I'd like to know what happened to Walt and Michael if there are (apparently) no survivors from Flight 815. They went back home, or whatever, right?
Suggestions I'm seeing for Jacobs Identity by Mundungus	Apr 25th, 2007 10:36:35 PM
Jacks dead dad? Billy Dee Freakin Williams? Walt the 10 year old? I don't know if there is a proper response to these suggestions. Could I throw out Batman or Dr. Evil? That would be shocking, wouldn't it? Jacob will not be a Lostie, or Lando, or anyone mentioned in these talkbacks. I pray it is not a computer. That would leave someone not really explored yet. I'm okay with that.
faking the crash by MeshGearFoxx	Apr 25th, 2007 10:36:55 PM
Why would they would have to have copies of the 815ers bodies? A report that the crash had no supporters could have been conveyed in many ways. Report it in a remote location. Have some fake Search and Rescue team discover it and vouch that there were no survivors with some fakes photos to prove it.
Gregory Harbin RE: Juliet by Lucasblows	Apr 25th, 2007 10:37:19 PM
The answer to your Juliet question is simple. In the episode "One of Us" Juliet and Jack share the following exchange: Juliet: "Why don't you? You keep talking about them. Why don't I ever have to explain myself to you?" Jack: "You were there. You were standing right next to me when that submarine exploded. In that moment, I saw it in your eyes: you want to get off this island more than anything else in the world. That makes you one of us." She does want to get off the island more than any of them. She knows the 815 surviors can't help her off the island. But the Others can.
Misc. Synapse firings with some possible SPOILAGE by NetProphet	Apr 25th, 2007 10:44:17 PM
The island (or whatever magic/power source located there) can heal shattered spines, etc. It increases sperm count by five times but kills women halfway through a pregnancy. My guess is that pregnancy, which causes such drastic changes, is somehow misconstrued as an illness by that healing power. The unfortunate result is that the host mother is killed to. That this has been such a tragedy to Juliet and the other "others" points to the conclusion that the island has its limits, and that the dead can not be resurrected. Notably, neither Ethan or Goodwin have resurfaced in the present, so it looks like Patchy pulled off some kind of ruse at the sonic fence. Moving into some spoilage/foilage territory, it appears the "others" might originally have been the lackey workforce for the Dharma scientists. So did Jacob and Ben lead a revolt? When he said he was "born" on the island, did Ben mean he underwent some transformation - from janitor to evil, manipulating genius? "Flowers for Algernon" comes to mind. If this scenario is true, and with the healing power a given, a good question might be if these people have aged much if at all since the Dharma days... Lastly, we previously were introduced to Issac of Uluru (Ayers Rock in Australia) who told Rose that the healing power there would not work for her. We know Jacob is of major importance, and last week we were thrown the name Moriah. Google them all together, and you'll be taken to the story of Jacob's ladder (NOT the Tim Robbins movie, although ironically that flick ended up being an imagined life passing through the main character's eyes as he was dying - much like "An Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge". Could the writers really be throwing so many red herrings out there intentionally?) Some interesting stuff - a gateway/bridge to heaven, the temple where the foundation stone is located, etc.
numero cinco by Lt. Kaffee	Apr 25th, 2007 10:45:21 PM
Yes, Jack always had the number 5. It's a real tattoo from his "party of five" days. interested to see how and why "jack" got it, but it was always there on his island stay.
What Naomi really said... by zacdilone	Apr 25th, 2007 10:49:51 PM
She said "I am not alone."
My Prediction by _Maltheus_	Apr 25th, 2007 10:50:40 PM
sorta spoiler for tonights* ...is that Hanso staged the crash to keep anyone from finding the island during a search.
Missing the obvious by zacdilone	Apr 25th, 2007 10:56:28 PM
Everyone's throwing around "they faked an 815 crash" theories...we're forgetting the important anagram clue from a few eps ago: "LOST TIME." The implication was that time on the island is not the same as time in the real world. A lot of people have speculated that it had to do with the passage of time...slower or faster...but what if it means that the timeline itself is not the same? I think it's obvious the Losties are in an alternate reality, and that Desmond's time traveling will end up being a huge part of what's actually happening on the island. And "Adam and Eve?" It's Desmond and Penny. Mark my words.
zacdilone.... I agree with you by RokurGepta	Apr 25th, 2007 11:00:21 PM
I've been thinking that Time on the Island and time in the rest of the world were operating at different speeds since around the beginning of the 2nd season. I don't know about alternate reality, but alternate timelines and time travel seem very plausible in the lostverse.
The crash wasn't faked... by Jor-El23	Apr 25th, 2007 11:01:17 PM
but the wreckage was. the simplest explanation is that the plane the survivors boarded was never going to Los Angeles. The Losties weren't drugged and put on another plane like that stupid Millenium movie with Kris Kristoferson. The Dharma logo was spotted on the wreckage way back in the 3rd episode.
zacdilone by Ribbons	Apr 25th, 2007 11:03:37 PM
That might have something to do with it. But I don't really think we know enough about what's going on with Desmond to say. Then again, I'm the guy who said Jacob was a spirit, so who am I to pick nits?
dharma logo on wreckage by RokurGepta	Apr 25th, 2007 11:04:07 PM
If I remember correctly, it was never proven that the dharma logo was on the wreckage. the pics i remember looking at back in the day, i remember thinking that it didn't really look like the dharma logo, but it has been a while since I looked, anyone have a link?
LucasBlows Re: Juliet by GregoryHarbin	Apr 25th, 2007 11:04:44 PM
Yeah, that makes the most sense. I still wonder what her mission is, though. And: she revealed to Sun that the sickness doesn't effect those who conceived off the Island. That had to be the stupidest thing she's ever done. What happens if/when Sun mentions to Kate what happened, and then Kate figures out that Juliet faked Claire's illness? At that point, it would have been better for her to be straight to them from the start.
Just some stoner thoughts by The_Squid	Apr 25th, 2007 11:07:08 PM
It's possible the Others have an influence in the media which is why everyone believes Flight 815 was found and had no survivors. I'm so glad Mikhail is back, I figured they wouldn't kill such a cool character.
Jin is not the father by tomdpimp2k	Apr 25th, 2007 11:09:26 PM
I checked on lostipedia and the timeline indicates that Juliet says Sun concieved the child on day 35. Jin had left Sun before that after the raft fire episode. http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/ Timeline:October_2004
RE: Just some stoner thoughts by RokurGepta	Apr 25th, 2007 11:11:33 PM
um... I don't think the others have any influence over the media, but Dharma, or whomever the organization is behind the curtains definately has some control over the media
Dharma logo by Jor-El23	Apr 25th, 2007 11:13:09 PM
I think these two are pretty convincing: http://tinyurl.com/33rz7z http://tinyurl.com/32vcbh those aren't photoshopped either. When I first heard about the logo I went back and watched the DVD and it's on there.
The Others Saw 815 Break Apart and Crash on the Island by NetProphet	Apr 25th, 2007 11:14:38 PM
Thus, the drugging of passengers and staging of the crash by Dharma is pretty much ruled out. This leaves: 1). the alternate timeline scenario or 2). the placement of wreckage (bodies need not be included if in middle of Pacific - it would be presumed all died if even small identifiable scraps of 815 were found floating hundreds of miles from land. One or two readily available bodies would help). My money is on number 2 - sounds like something Ben and his organization would, and could, do to steer away any investigation that might compromise their island.
Re: Dharma logo by RokurGepta	Apr 25th, 2007 11:22:37 PM
Jor-El23 -- thank you for the links they look more like the Dharma logo than I had remembered. I wish there were more episodes dealing with the numbers, and dharma. what other numbers appeared in and around flight 815? it left from gate 23 right?
815 by caninedevotion	Apr 25th, 2007 11:24:13 PM
Seems like they could have towed some wreckage out to sea and possibly some human remains. I'm with NetProphet. We haven't seen the wreckage on the island for some time.
Kate impregnated by Logo Lou	Apr 25th, 2007 11:26:38 PM
Maybe by Sawyer, or the others... I mean they had he unconscious for an unknown period of time.
They didn't have to "copy" bodies to fake a crash by Gorrister	Apr 25th, 2007 11:28:20 PM
If 815 didn't crash on an island, it would have crashed in the ocean. A plane that size hitting the ocean after a plummet from, say, 30,000 feet, would shatter the fusalage and scatter wreakage (and bodies) over a wide area. IF the wreck was faked, it was probably just enough of the fusalage to convince rescuers that 815 went down in a certain area (presumably along it's original flight plan). Just because no bodies were found, they wouldn't assume there were survivors. They would assume everyone died.
Ben/The Others by Jor-El23	Apr 25th, 2007 11:31:07 PM
I don't think they had anything to do with the crash. Based on what we saw in the flashbacks in their damn dirty hippy commune, ben was as surprised as everyone else. I guess he could have been faking it, but that doesn't seem like the simplest explanation. There's no way that Dharma isn't around any more. Whether Ben knows about their continued existence is another story. As for dragging some plane wreckage out to the middle of the ocean, that's easy. i can't get you wreckage, believe me. there are ways dude. you don't want to know about it, believe me.
What Nadia really said to Mikhail by McGsStepson	Apr 25th, 2007 11:48:44 PM
according to Lostpedia and thetailsection.com she said "I'm Not Alone." Can anyone confirm?
What language did she speak? by RokurGepta	Apr 25th, 2007 11:49:39 PM
I havn't seen the episode yet, it starts in 11 minutes
My favorite reveal of the series.. by gotilk	Apr 25th, 2007 11:50:53 PM
was the end of this episode. It's my hope that they give us big answers this season and shift the show's direction/character's objectives. Don't get me wrong, I still think this is the best thing on TV. Especially the second part of this season. But if they don't do something BIG soon, people will tune out.
tomdpimp2k re: Jin not being the daddy by KnightShift	Apr 25th, 2007 11:53:57 PM
Juliet told Sun that she could find the date of conception give or take a few days. So it works out. Jin wasn't gone for that many days away from whatever Juliet calculated. Remember how Sun and Jin came out of their tent the morning after Jin returned and Hurley gave him that "thumbs-up, dude" gesture? That was the exact day of conception right there :-)
Leopold Scotch is correct by Thunderbolt Ross	Apr 25th, 2007 11:56:12 PM
Re: the "shocking" identity of Jacob. They were jokingly saying it would be shocking if Billy Dee was Jacob. they never say whether or not Jacob's identity is shocking really.
Ahhh MeshGearFoxx by Thunderbolt Ross	Apr 25th, 2007 11:56:59 PM
Pull out another bag of tricks from your scientific box ...
OK, I'm coming back in... by HappyHamster	Apr 26th, 2007 12:05:15 AM
I know ABC is just going to destroy my trust again, but enough people everywhere have told me what a fool I am for bailing that my resistence has been broken. :) I'll have to get caught up on this season somehow but I'm glad to have another show to be excited about.
couldnt jacob be... by bouncing1	Apr 26th, 2007 12:08:40 AM
penny's father. the scotch has turned up once in his office. the same scotch he told des would never be allowed to sip. and how would penny know to be looking for a seismic disturbance? ie-the crew in the mountains who called penny. there are more clues. just too tired to type. need to work.
Some thoughts about Nadia's "News From Home"... by Colegegraduit	Apr 26th, 2007 12:09:38 AM
It makes perfect sense that Flight 815 is presumed dead. What would The Others do to prevent a search party…? They'd fake the "discovery" of the plane's crash site, deep into the Ocean. We know they could leave the island. We know they want the island kept secret. We know that there was wreckage of the plane scattered everywhere, most of which we haven’t seen since the series premiere. We know there were bodies of 815 passengers who did not survive the crash, like the bodies in the waterfall where Kate found that briefcase. So they make someone find a few plane scraps and a few corpses that could be identified as people on the plane manifest. Nobody searches for the secret island and The Others get their way. As for Michael and Walt: they left around the time everything went screwy. The button wasn’t pushed, the master key was turned and the sky went all bright. It probably wasn’t very smart to be on a boat in the middle of the ocean when this was happening, especially when the last time the button wasn’t pressed, it broke a whole plane in half. Then again; it sent Desmond on a quantum leap, so who knows what it did to Michael…and especially Walt(!). Either way; I doubt they're home safe and sound.
And another thing, effa podcast! by Jaka	Apr 26th, 2007 12:10:28 AM
Got damn I'm tired of the assumption that anybody who watches this show would give one rats ass about it away from the television screen. I know SOME people do, but assuming everyone does is kind of insulting. Important story and character info should only be revealed IN the damn series.
Tail Section by Sairnath	Apr 26th, 2007 12:11:39 AM
They had plenty of wreckage to fake a crash site using the Tail section after the Tailies left in season 2.
spoilers should only be allowed by bouncing1	Apr 26th, 2007 12:15:43 AM
after the fuckin thing has aired. east cost time of course. no one gives a shit about the rest of the country. and thats that!
MeshGearFoxx by leesheri	Apr 26th, 2007 12:20:58 AM
and to add to that, they had some dead bodies, they also had a sub. I am not an expert in subs but couldn't that have hauled some wreckage out? The fuselage went into the ocean didn't it? What about the thing doing the food drops?
I missed the coming attractions for next week... by exie	Apr 26th, 2007 12:26:27 AM
Arrggggh. Damn DVR. Great episode tonight. Seeing Mikhail alive? Holy shit. I don't think it means all the dead are rising though, but I think only the dead that the island can heal? As for the crash, I would be on Ben and the Others dragging some wreckage back to where people could find it and think they all died. They don't need actual bodies to make that determination...and as for Juliet, her complexities just make me love her more and more. The "I hate you" just fucks with us enough to not know for sure who's side she's going to be on in a pinch...and it looks like Sawyer's gonna be a Daddy. I don't think Kate was impregnated by The Others. ABC would have major issues w/a rape leading to pregnancy subplot. I think it's the same reason why Juliet didn't mention giving Sun an abortion to save her. ABC would never let that shit fly.
Podcast stuff... by seanny_d	Apr 26th, 2007 12:36:59 AM
Most podcast stuff is revealed eventually in the series. They just give hints and clues to what's to come. And most of the time, they kind of hint around it. Also, some stuff would just be really difficult to reveal on the show. Should we believe what Mikhail is saying? How is he going to prove it one way or the other? All the podcast really does for me is reaffirm that they seem to know where they're going.
War's long over. by Captain Mal	Apr 26th, 2007 12:37:32 AM
We're all just folk now.
Crazy Jacob theories by lordgrimplemort	Apr 26th, 2007 12:39:41 AM
1. Claire's baby is Jacob. He's like an evil version of the Dalai Lama for the Others, and when he dies, he's reborn in a new baby. That explains the psychic guy's creepy predictions that he shouldn't be raised by another (an Other) because he'll turn out to be an evil leader if he is. 2. It's Ben and he was a subject of Dharma's mindgames in the hatch and he went nuts and developed a split personality called Jacob and organized all the other subjects and led a revolt. I don't really believe either of these but I was bored and figured I'd throw them out there.
And about the crash by lordgrimplemort	Apr 26th, 2007 12:43:45 AM
It probably will turn out that the world thinks the 815ers are dead, but why should we assume that Naomi can be trusted? Ben knows everything about everyone, so he could know about Penny and just sent Naomi to screw with Desmond like he does with everyone else. Remember when we first met Ben, he was also hanging from a tree.
Alternative Theory (MORE BATSHIT INSANITY) by Ribbons	Apr 26th, 2007 12:47:44 AM
In regards to the wreckage of the "other" Flight 815 that was maybe kinda partially found... perhaps the Others didn't fake it, but the Hanso Foundation -- in conjunction with Widmore Industries, Paik, and whoever else -- did. The Hanso Foundation (via their branch organization the Dharma Initiative), nutbars that they are, went to that island for a specific purpose. Whatever that purpose was, it was seemingly aborted during "the Purge." I'm not sure how badly the Others really want most of the castaways to stay there, with the exception of Walt, Locke and a couple of the baby mommas. But if Widmore (and, consequently, Hanso) had reason to believe that a new team of "subjects" had crashed there, they may have (and could have more easily) faked a plane crash in order to discourage search parties and sacrifice the Losties as guinea pigs in an attempt to do whatever it is they came to that island to do 20 years ago. Or maybe the Others did it for similar reasons. Or maybe neither of them did it and it's got something to do with Desmond's time-trippin', I don't know. All I know is that I don't like the idea of the Hanso Foundation using the Losties in some sort of observational experiment. Reminds me too much of the "reality TV show" theories.
It's a four toed alternate reality by jimmy_009	Apr 26th, 2007 01:05:10 AM
Think about it. You know it is.
Shades of Chechov and Kahn - nice Herc. by warp11	Apr 26th, 2007 01:08:29 AM
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The others/dharma crashed ANOTHER plane when 815 went by warp11	Apr 26th, 2007 01:10:05 AM
down... To cover things up and see where things would go with the new island inhabitants. Dharma has to have had the money.
She is a mite unpredictable... by Captain Mal	Apr 26th, 2007 01:10:40 AM
mood swings, of a sort.
bouncing1: It's called California by warp11	Apr 26th, 2007 01:12:56 AM
And last I checked, we tend to lead the rest of the nation with what we do. go to bed.
"pity the fools who bailed" by warp11	Apr 26th, 2007 01:14:39 AM
Another good call. The ratings are still improving right? Just a great time for a fanboy- Lost, Heros, BSG , some good sci fi. Proably won't happen again for awhile.
I was watching the Darhma Van Episode...... by OriginalThinker	Apr 26th, 2007 01:22:17 AM
the other day and realised something. How did Vincent the dog climb into the van and pull out Roger's arm, remember how hard it was for Hurley and Jin to get him out. Im not trying to hate, its one of my two favorite shows, im just wondering if anyone else noticed that.
Captain Mal by Ribbons	Apr 26th, 2007 01:24:51 AM
A performance artist, eh? I like your style.
I was disappointed --Mild Spoilers by RokurGepta	Apr 26th, 2007 01:28:51 AM
Mild Spoilers the reveal at the end wasn't very shocking, and neither was what the new chick said... Nothing adventerous happened. I even guessed ahead of time who the blackmailer was. I'd give this episode 2 stars out of 5. WEAK SAUCE
Five stars? Seriously> by MikeHoncho	Apr 26th, 2007 01:32:16 AM
The episode was not that good. It was pretty good, by Lost's standards, which have been considerably lowered, but nowhere near deserving of five stars. All the characters now are boring and their falshback storys have been told. All that seems relevant right now to the show is the last minute. If you only watched that last minute you would be up to date.
I Hate Spoilers by david19	Apr 26th, 2007 01:34:20 AM
So the past few weeks I have been on this site and I love this show so much that I just cant wait and see more then I should see so when I watch the show Im not as shocked as I should be. Well I left the spoilers behind this week. Guess what? I falling back in love with this show. Stay away from spoilers. You think you want them but you really dont.
My two cents by david19	Apr 26th, 2007 01:37:57 AM
I think Kate is preggers, I like the Penny Desmond Adam Eve thing but there aint no proof yet, and I hope Julia turns to the good side before she gets found out. Right now we have the gun fixed on two characters: Sun and Charlie. Will they both survive? Neither? Whats up with Claires baby? If people get healed by the island it might explain why so many people survived the crash, the only hole would be those who didnt, like the Marshall.
Why did the wreckage have to be faked? by Novaman5000	Apr 26th, 2007 01:38:31 AM
The wreckage was swept out to sea in season 1... it's possible that's just what was found. Have to say, though, I'm loving the idea that the flight that left sydney was NEVER headed towards los angeles...
Jor-El23, I Know who you are . . .Jor-El23 by Mundungus	Apr 26th, 2007 01:41:04 AM
Jor-El23 wrote -"As for dragging some plane wreckage out to the middle of the ocean, that's easy. i can't get you wreckage, believe me. there are ways dude. you don't want to know about it, believe me." ****** Dude, you are definitely Walter Sobchak (John Goodman) from The Big Lebowskibi. Stop , too funny, You’re killing me with that.
Jin busted some righteous Tae Kwon Do by Doc_Strange	Apr 26th, 2007 01:46:29 AM
Why doesn't he train the rest of the survivors?
Mikhail. Italian nonsense and.... by wolfboy74	Apr 26th, 2007 01:48:23 AM
flight 815 found; all dead, What. The. Fuck. PLEEEeeeeeease, someone confirm what Naomi said: "I'm not alone"...?!?! AWESOME. But frustrating. Jin kicked ASS! Loved it! But they let Mikhail GO. Ughh! WHY/HOW is he still alive??!?!? "Island's healing power"?? My Juliette/Sun theory was shot to hell tonight. But still sticking to my Jack in the know stance. Please, dear God--somebody give me your ansers to these questions so I can go to bed!
Ben said to Michael: by Novaman5000	Apr 26th, 2007 01:51:16 AM
Follow this heading and you will find help. He said nothing about them going home... And we all know Ben chooses his words very carefully.
P.S. by wolfboy74	Apr 26th, 2007 01:55:04 AM
Pleeeeeeease bring back that hot Italian chick Jack almost had the affair with! Any imdb info??
Re: P.S. by RokurGepta	Apr 26th, 2007 02:07:35 AM
wikipedia has all the info you need, all you need to remember is the episode name
They got on the WRONG FLIGHT!? by wolfboy74	Apr 26th, 2007 02:15:17 AM
--I know; rediculous--but hear me out: what if they all THOUGHT they got on flight 815, but it was really a dharma jet? The real 815 crashed, boom, dead--then LOSTIES/dharma plane fell down too? hmmm. Pretty far out. I'd even go so far tp say "stupid". But maybe dharma KNEW the Losties would fuck the Other's shit up--a sort of revenge for being beaten by Ben and co.
On an episode where we learn someone has risen... by DarthCorleone	Apr 26th, 2007 02:34:15 AM
...from the dead, I think it's likely that Naomi is telling the truth. Sure, the Others could have maybe faked a crash result, but it seemed to me like Mikhail's strange appearance and the revelation that they were "dead" could have been related. And, no, I'm not saying it's purgatory. I'm saying they essentially have stumbled into some sort of split reality. Also, I immediately thought that Jin and Sun could be brother and sister, but I decided the incest angle was too dark and excessive.
Does anyone else think.... by OriginalThinker	Apr 26th, 2007 03:03:40 AM
that maybe after season 2 the writers don't know what to write so they just let all the fans talk to each other about what they think is happening on the isand, and following what fans think, the writers write it, we saw them do it with Nikki and Paulo. We have been talking a lot about people returning from the dead and bingo, Mikhail is back. we see Jack's dad in Australia and say, that claire is his half sister, bam, few episodes later it happens. We think maybe the reason the others take the children is because they cant have children and then Juliet becomes a fertility doctor. Locke's dad being the real Sawyer. You keep yelling at the writers, but the biggest twist at the end of the series will be that we have been writing the eps ourselves. or im just really tired and need to go to bed.
Was the Sun episode the game changer? by sparkflyer	Apr 26th, 2007 03:06:24 AM
If so, lame. It's not a "game changer" that the outside world thinks the people from Flight 815 are dead. The purgatory and alternate universe theories have been around from the beginning.
OriginalThinker by Ribbons	Apr 26th, 2007 03:34:10 AM
Maybe, but I think we've just happened to telegraph some of the twists on "Lost". People thought that Claire was Jack's half-sister because of that one episode where he banged on her aunt's door and was like "I wanna see my daughter, I pay mortgage on this house, blah blah blah." It seems just as likely that her being related to Jack was set up in that case rather than retroactively explained that way. I do think the writers follow our lead in some instances, but not most.
I think alot of the relationships... by RokurGepta	Apr 26th, 2007 04:04:41 AM
and six degrees of seperation between the characters was written into the shows Bible from day 1.
Why is anyone still giving this tosh any stars? by elab49	Apr 26th, 2007 04:14:52 AM
Not been on the site for a while but I thought all the grown-ups had outed this show for what it was? I realise fanboys get so invested they get really nasty when people criticse their vested interests but seriously! The lead has been behaving like a 3yo for 2 seasons and they are all demonstrating that they're idiots. After some of them buying Michael's ludicrous story, Jack again believes that - major coincidence - just before Juliet arrives a situation occurs that gives her an in. With something that seems to have been very coincidentally timed. With Claire feeling no pain up till then. Doesn't occur. The man is braindead as well as infantile. And this is what people WANT to see on TV?
5 stars? 3.5 maybe. by The Selecter	Apr 26th, 2007 05:24:01 AM
On an island where nothing should be taken at face value, why put absolute faith in the words of Naomi and then try to construct theories to support them? It's much easier to discount them as yet another red herring.
Beautiful epsiode! by Evil Hobbit	Apr 26th, 2007 06:18:09 AM
5 Stars indeed!
Naomi is an Other by siatrisx	Apr 26th, 2007 07:00:00 AM
Its so evident to me: it'a all staged out. She speaks many languages as to find out which ones she can speak with Mikhail without beign understood by the Losties. She was in kahootz with Mikhail. He shows up right then, pretends to save her and say she will be cured in a day... That's because she wasn't hurt, its all staged up! She says that no one survived, it's a lie! Simplest explanation. Just to mess with the Losties heads.
One thing I wanna know... by BobWalnut	Apr 26th, 2007 07:14:25 AM
...how would I solve a murder, IF I WAS THE VICTIM? Just wondering...
Jacob biblical thing by PotSmokinAlien	Apr 26th, 2007 07:27:41 AM
something i havent seen mentioned ever about jacob is that, biblically there are twins named jacob and esau, and their dad loves jacob but hates esau. what that could mean for the show i have no fucking idea.
Naomi Probably Not an Other by mezpin	Apr 26th, 2007 07:28:01 AM
Why bother with the punctured lung or satellite phone heist? Those details don't fit easily. But I do think it's interesting that Naomi kept blurting out items in different languages before settling on English.
Island healing powers by PotSmokinAlien	Apr 26th, 2007 07:33:52 AM
so maybe that is why there were so many survivors from 815 in the first place. what is this business about the end of the season being tragic in some way? maybe we learn beyond any shadow of a doubt that they wont ever be able to leave the island b/c it's keeping them alive? leaving them free to focus on saving it from the widmores in s4, learning what the hell is going on with it, and then poetically fulfilling whatever purpose they're there for in s5
...ps by PotSmokinAlien	Apr 26th, 2007 07:35:59 AM
if that idea above was true, that sure would play nicely into the whole "live together, die alone" thing--- jack thinking that he can leave after fixing ben is to live 'apart from the group' (which would tie nicely into that tattoo bullshit, too) but if the island's keeping him alive, that would just mean he'd die when he left. the only way to literally stay alive is to stay together, with the group, on the island.
THEY'RE CLONES by fleury14	Apr 26th, 2007 07:43:44 AM
Naomi isn't lying about everyone dying in the crash. Maybe these are all clones on the island. That would count as a pretty "tragic" reveal. Their original selves are all dead in the real world, but not the others. When they enter the island, they did it knowingly, and new it would be a cloned self reappearing. I think the Losties showed up as clones, genetically changed. Here's some backup off the top of my head: - Why won't they let anyone leave? - Why do Locke's legs work? - Why does cancer disappear? - Why did Mikhael show up again after clearly being dead? - Maybe polar bears get cloned on the island after somehow entering this place (Pennie's guys finding Desmond in the Arctic (or antarctic). - Babies get cloned as well, if already received - if not these clone's are still unable to conceive properly which kinda ruins Ben's plan to have their own society here. - Naomi really did die, or perhaps remember dying as she entered the island.
PotSmokinAlien - Jacob Biblical reference by NetProphet	Apr 26th, 2007 07:51:47 AM
I have been posting for the past two weeks about the connection of the names Issac (of Uluru from the S.O.S. Rose/Bernard episode), Jacob, and Moriah. If you Google these names together you'll find lots of possible Lost connections. My post above covers the Jacob's ladder stuff (as well as the possible allusion to the Tim Robbins movie as a red herring along the lines of "An Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge".) As well as the gateway/bridge to heaven business in the Jacob's ladder story, there was a twin. It was Esau that was the favored of the two, but Jacob, along with his mother's help, tricked his father Isaac into giving him his blessing.
Mikhail Theory by huskers302000	Apr 26th, 2007 08:15:20 AM
I'm thinking that Mikhail somehow faked his death the first time. It has always bothered me that Kate, John, and Sayid can just climb a tree and safely get over the "force field" but the smoke monster hasn't caught on to that? I don't think it was on in the first place and Mikhail somehow faked his death - I couldn't remember, did someone check Mikhail's pulse afterwards and if so, are they somehow in with the Others?
lots of goodies by slkboxrman	Apr 26th, 2007 08:49:52 AM
confirmed...island has super healing powers....and the ability to boost sperm count 5times the normal amount, bonus...lol perhaps what happened to 815 is the same as what they said happened with the 9/11 flights... at least flight 93..they said it landed and they deboarded everyone and took them into a hangar, multiple witnesses saw this, then miraculously the plane "crashes" .....i put quotations because even if the real people were on that plane it WAS shot down...so who knows maybe dharma did intentionally bring down 2 planes..cuz if u remember the others werent too surprised by the plane coming down, it was more excitement than anything.... as for the third group of people on the island, ive been posting in here for weeks saying the exact same thing, based on other reasons, but the mention that maybe ben was worried that mikhail would shoot them thinking they were someone else made me think of the first meeting when sayid got shot and mikhail was yelling at them that he told them to leave him alone, obviously he didnt mean the others, so it gives the third group idea more proof...just a thought, goodnite all
Not a staged plane crash by rbrog77	Apr 26th, 2007 08:52:01 AM
Okay, it's nearly 10AM EDT and I'm reading piosts from last night, so forgive me if someone has already said this. if we go off of the theory that was given last week, it's not a staged plane crash. The plane crash was real...and the same plane crash, just in a different reality. So the losties did die, but not in this reality.
Jin KUNG FU + Mr X's pop quiz by Mr_X	Apr 26th, 2007 08:53:47 AM
those oriental types sure do know they're kung fu, it's like a mandatory subject at school or something. seem like the island can heal pretty quickly those who are injured, eg patchy and naomi with her punctured lung. perhaps thats why pregnanat women die, as the island views the unborn child as a foreign object or something An other is in your camp, and you dont trust her do you a) go with her in the middle of the night , just you and her b) tell her you're pregnant, when you know the others ssteal babies or c) tell her you're a bit of a whore and sleep around with other men
Ladder to heaven by PotSmokinAlien	Apr 26th, 2007 08:55:16 AM
ill bet that is what kate and sawyer were building on the hydra island... "something big" is what kate said it seemed like, right?
jacob by slkboxrman	Apr 26th, 2007 08:58:09 AM
the writers love u fools that search the net for biblical references, its the precise reason they put all that in there, for u people to waste ur time theorizing..they laugh....its been mentioned they do alot of that intentionally ....... check the lost wiki..... jacob is a member of the board of the hanso foundation...the foundation that funds or runs the dharma initiative... comeon did no one notice the super obvious NY Yankees reference in the episode that boone died and claire gave birth.... BOONE died and claire gave birth to AARON.......AARON BOONE....on the walt and michael front, i think they will be back after pulling a desmond and say they were going and going and gettin nowhere and never truly got away from the island.....they really havent been gone that long if u really think about it
Jin ain't the dad still by cekma	Apr 26th, 2007 09:02:40 AM
Juliet is saying this so when Sun survives the pregnancy it will look like a miracle and she will have a ticket to go home because her work is done. Sun ain't dying, Juliet is out for herself
Jacob/Esau by Slugworth	Apr 26th, 2007 09:07:34 AM
They were not twins. Esau was the older brother. In a Homer Simpson-like episode Esau traded his birthright to Jacob for a bowl of gruel because he was so hungry he thought we was going to die. Anyhow, God changed Jacob's name to Isreal.
Oh Man! by Leopold Scotch	Apr 26th, 2007 09:08:14 AM
This is Lost. Why has everyone (well, 95% of talkbackers) automatically assumed that they got a fake (or even more stupid, the REAL) fuselage and put it out to sea with a few dead bodies (or even more stupid, NO dead bodies)? All we know is that 815 was apprently found and that "everyone died". In Lost that could mean a ton of things, almost all of them better than "they set up an elaborate fake crash site". And if that was meant to be the gamechanger, then there's no way in hell that it's just a faked crash site. That doesn't change anything whatsoever. I mean people (characters and viewers) stopped expecting any outside help to turn up after about 10 episodes into season 1. If the fake crash thing was true, it has no impact because no one believes (or has even entertained the thought) that there's a search party (in the conventional sense) still out there looking.
Also by Leopold Scotch	Apr 26th, 2007 09:13:31 AM
A conventional search party (ie. the one that found 815 with no survivors) probably wouldn't just come across the fuselage, fish out the black box and assume that sixty or more missing bodies were just dead and sunk.
Piltdown Joey by Shigeru	Apr 26th, 2007 09:15:53 AM
Nope, that would be Dr. Marvin Candle. Well, one of them. Or both. Or wait. huh?
And again by Leopold Scotch	Apr 26th, 2007 09:16:39 AM
I'm just Mr Shoot-down-everyone's-theories this week. The allusions to biblical stories and historical figures (especially the Scottish Enlightenment) don't give you many (or any) clues. It's just a thematic allusion, nothing to do with plot. As I've said before, I doubt David Hume ever did any time travelling.
Jin's "kung fu" by Shigeru	Apr 26th, 2007 09:24:26 AM
In Korea, all young men are required to go into the national army for 2 years. Jin even mentioned this in the ep. Hence, roundhouse kick to the head.
Aye, Shigeru by Banky the Hack	Apr 26th, 2007 09:31:03 AM
Not to mention he was a friggin' enforcer for Sun's dad, and probably knew how to fight.
Aye, Shigeru by Banky the Hack	Apr 26th, 2007 09:31:15 AM
Not to mention he was a friggin' enforcer for Sun's dad, and probably knew how to fight.
I thought this ep was beautiful by Shigeru	Apr 26th, 2007 09:31:22 AM
Maybe the "meh" people aren't picking up on the subtlety of what "face" really means in the asian culture. Sun's words, "I lose either way" were true not only for the Island stuff but also for the flashbacks. Out of love she spared her husband deep shame, but unknowingly signed him up for something that would tear apart their marriage and lead her to an affair. Talk about guilt. But to our and probably her surprise, when she found out she got pregnant on the Island, she was just happy it was Jin's. It kind of vindicated their love. My favorite part would have to be when Jin's father wiped his hand off before even touching Sun.
shigeru by Fount of Useless Info	Apr 26th, 2007 09:40:52 AM
I agree. The episode, while maybe not 5 stars, was great and had an amazing amount of subtlety in delivering messages about Jin and Sun's love and relationships. In addition, the "either way, I lose" stuff reiterated some of the themes of the island, specifically inevitability. Sun tried to spare Jin from shame, but brought it to him anyway. They couldn't have a baby, but she finally got pregnant, and they won't have a baby anyway, because the baby and Sun will die. Just like Desmond trying to save Charlie, the end is inevitible, only the route to get there changes.
yup. by Shigeru	Apr 26th, 2007 09:43:31 AM
deep shit.
Jacob and Esau... by GOB Adama	Apr 26th, 2007 09:44:17 AM
...Were fraternal twins. I think the story says Esau was pulled first with Jacob right behind holding his foot or something, thus making the burly and robust Esau the 'firstborn' over the gentle and thoughtful (and arguably sneaky) Jacob by a matter of moments.
slugworth Re: Jacob/Esau by Fount of Useless Info	Apr 26th, 2007 09:47:18 AM
Jacob and Esau were twins. Esau just was the firstborn of the twins. If they weren't, the story of Jacob holding on to Esau's heel when he was born would be kind of disturbing.
GOB Adama by Fount of Useless Info	Apr 26th, 2007 09:48:44 AM
You beat me to it.
Dharma logo was NOT on the plane... by MachThree	Apr 26th, 2007 09:57:55 AM
See http://tinyurl.com/2597sp
Hell, right by Banky the Hack	Apr 26th, 2007 09:58:54 AM
Number one, it's Juliette, not Julia. Number two, if you get to have sex with Kate in hell, doesn't sound like that bad of a place.
Jacob is a bad twin... by Tom Reagan	Apr 26th, 2007 10:13:44 AM
Maybe there is something to this whole Jacob/Esau stuff. Maybe the writers are cleverly alluding to the fact that Jack has a twin and his twin is Jacob (and maybe I give the writers too much credit). We keep wondering if Jack has come back brainwashed or in league with the others--has anyone posited that it might not be Jack at all? Could this be Jack's twin Jacob? Cue spooky music.
Observations... by MachThree	Apr 26th, 2007 10:14:56 AM
Sun caused Jin to be pulled into the wrong side of Mr. Paik's organization, in order to save Jin from humiliation, but she almost ruined her marriage as the result. Also, Jin was trying to hide what he was doing from Sun, who probably already knew or had a good idea of what working more closely with her father would mean for Jin. Also, ironic that by being with "many" men (ok, only two) like Jin's real mom, the true identity of Sun's son's father, just like the true identity of Jin's father, would be unknown. And lastly, so just who the heck is Jin's father? My disgusting, conspiratory thought for the day - what if Sun's dad engaged Jin's mom's services back when he was younger and still sowing his wild oats? Jin & Sun could be half brother and sister and doing the nasty with each other. Together now - Eeeeeewwww. Of course, I guess if that really bothered me I'd have stopped watching when Boone and Shannon did the same thing. All I know is that I would not be at all suprised to see Sun's dad and Jin's mom in the same flashback down the road.
I think Boone... by Epictetus	Apr 26th, 2007 10:29:11 AM
...might have been interested in the whole "you heal quickly" thing, seeing as how Jack sliced his legs off with a supersized bagel slicer. Jack needs to approach Boone's corpse and pull an Optimus Prime by saying, "My bad."
Randomness... by GOB Adama	Apr 26th, 2007 10:29:55 AM
Please support or debunk at your pleasure! 1.) The island (or 'Jacob' for the island or whatever) chooses/rejects its inhabitants/keepers. Perhaps DHARMA tried to harness it and maybe it played ball at first but then deemed DHARMA unworthy (the incident, possibly a science vs faith snafu). Ben and his merry band are the new chosen people (however thy fit into it) and live in bliss for... however long. Until THEY are deemed unworthy (a good vs bad snafu?). Pregnancies fail. Ben gets cancer, etc ('Ukraine Mikey One-Eye' still seemes to be on good terms). Anyhoo, new folks show up and the island now starts to favor them, somewhat (death still occurs, but also great healing). If this idea holds any water, look for Sun's pregnancy to move on w/o a hitch. I don't exactly believe my own, theory (yet), but I do think I am on to something.
What did the parachute chick say? by slyde	Apr 26th, 2007 10:30:22 AM
this may have been answered somewhere up above, but i cant find it. After Mikheil patches up the parachute chick, she says something to him, and Desmond says "what did she say?", and Mikheil looks flustered and says "she said thank you for helping me", but she OBVIOUSLY didnt say that. Does anyone know what she really did say?
I am not alone. by Shigeru	Apr 26th, 2007 10:34:25 AM

Epictetus by MachThree	Apr 26th, 2007 10:34:41 AM
I thought of that too - that Boone would probably have fully recovered if he could have been kept alive a bit longer. But Jack never actually amputated Boone's leg - he was about to then Boone convinced Jack to just let him die without the added pain.
I like the idea of an island where all the dudes have by Itchy	Apr 26th, 2007 10:35:46 AM
5 - 6 times the normal sperm count. I assume they also spray like Peter North. Put me on that island with Claire, Kate and Sun, and the rescue parties won't have any problem finding me. They can just look for the geyser shooting off above the trees.
Christian Shepard body by Lone_Gunman	Apr 26th, 2007 10:37:48 AM
Presming what Naomi says is true about the crash, then maybe thats wheres christian shepard body is...floating among the wreckage maybe that'll be enough to convince the search and rescue its flight 815 maybe.
Also, it's obviously not purgatory ... by Itchy	Apr 26th, 2007 10:38:09 AM
unless Penelope Widmore can hire teams of scientists and mercenary recon experts to locate and land on purgatory.
You are right MachThree by Epictetus	Apr 26th, 2007 10:40:02 AM
For some reason I've always thought that Jack sliced his Boone's legs. Still, letting Boone die seemed like a no-win decision. The funny thing about the island's healing powers is that when the writers want someone to die or be threatened with death, the island suddenly doesn't have strong healing powers. Unrelated point: if Kate is pregnant, perhaps Ben did do something to her before the "awkward breakfast - drink your orange juice" scene.
This is so frustrating!! by Pdorwick	Apr 26th, 2007 10:44:04 AM
Just when I though this episode was well on its way to being another typically shitty season 3 hour, along comes a hook in the last minute that will drag me onward to next week where I will inevitably be disappointed.
Epictetus... by MachThree	Apr 26th, 2007 10:45:31 AM
Yeah, but more likely it was her little roll in the hay with Sawyer that they were interested in - that is, unless Sawyer figured out a way to get the machines in the cages to dispense condoms along with fish biscuits :)
Cool twist Tom Reagan: here's another by Leopold Scotch	Apr 26th, 2007 10:49:15 AM
Jack's evil twin is a bit unrealistic and clichéd/soap opera-like but I like things that really catch viewers offguard. Here's another one, just for fun (it's not something I would invest in simply because it would imply one of those "all for nothing" plots á la Dallas): How about they really are all dead, but they aren't in hell/purgatory? Well, maybe they are, but we don't know for sure, because... Dum-dum-duuuummm... The survivors aren't really "themselves". But they aren't aware of this because they are reproductions of their forms, their personalities and their memories. Every single character is a manifestation of the smoke monster after he scanned every single dead body, absorbing their memories and personalities. As such, the smoke monster is playing each persona off of one another in a pre-determined pantomime. It has therefore assigned itself the role of God, hence the instances of intervention and judgement. In other words, EVERYONE is the smoke monster and it's just an elaborate, self-empowering, play. It's about as likely as Herc's theory on Kate, and there are some big holes, like "how come it still scans people if they are already the products of his scans? I just thought it was an interesting speculation. There have already been characters who have questioned their existence, and also characters who deny that they don't exist (see Hurley's pal Dave) and it would be crazy if it turned out that EVERY character is in denial of the fact that they don't really exist. A lot like that John Cusack movie "Identity". But as I said, it resembles the "it was all a dream" scenario too closely to be safe.
Jin is officially the man. by SPECTRE Agent	Apr 26th, 2007 11:03:00 AM
In a battale royale between all the losties, it would be him and Sayid standing at the end. Desmond and Locke wouldn't make it and wimps Sawyer and Jack would be dead within minutes!
Oh yeah by Leopold Scotch	Apr 26th, 2007 11:04:56 AM
I forgot to ask: do we KNOW that the babies of the women who dies giving birth also died? I can't remember. I suppose if they only make it to half way through the second trimester, they would be too premature, but I dunno...
Two things that just sprung to mind... by JustinSane	Apr 26th, 2007 11:05:57 AM
...on the theory that everyone needs to stay on the island to be alive - perhaps Jack is the only one who didn't die in the crash? His tattoo reads "He walks among you, but he is not one of you." Perhaps the end will be that Jack leaves the island, and the rest have to stay forever? Also, I think Walt and Michael are on the third island, the "Observation Island" on the map that came up on the site (was it the Mittelos one?) that had Juliet's email from her sister. Yep, them's my theories.
stuff by leesheri	Apr 26th, 2007 11:12:27 AM
OriginalThinker - No we are all just that clever. The writers lay out the clues and we pick up on them. We think as a group here even with the occasional pissing contest. huskers - I agree with you - Mikhail faked his death. This is what makes him even scarier. He used the islands healing to his advantage to pull one over on us. lone-gunman I thought smokey was using it like he did with Yemi GOB I agree that you are onto something Tom - I didn't read the book. Is that what they were trying to get across? If so that would be kind of cool. Would support those that believe Jack isn't Jack at all.
Jack with a twin by GOB Adama	Apr 26th, 2007 11:18:35 AM
Not saying yes, not saying no... But how fresh is that tatoo? :) If Jack has a 'Bad Twin' he's not the one that came back.
leesheri by Tom Reagan	Apr 26th, 2007 11:22:42 AM
I haven't read the book either. Is it even considered canon? I thought I heard about some dispute between the writer and the producers of the show. As in, they weren't happy with where, or how far he went with some things. Anyone care to enlighten us?
Motherucking Jin with the motherucking ROUNDHOUSE!!! by PwnedByStallone	Apr 26th, 2007 11:23:44 AM
That's all.
Motherucking? by PwnedByStallone	Apr 26th, 2007 11:24:37 AM
Why do I bother?
I think Jacob is Ben by SithMenace	Apr 26th, 2007 11:26:50 AM
There are too many Wizard of Oz references with Ben. The Ben episode is titled "The man behind the curtain", and I think we're going to find out that's Ben, while Jacob is the Wizard.
Wow by SithMenace	Apr 26th, 2007 11:27:59 AM
I said Ben alot.
Ben is the Devil? by Billyeveryteen	Apr 26th, 2007 11:29:20 AM
Who can't heal?
There is no Jacob? by PwnedByStallone	Apr 26th, 2007 11:34:15 AM
Hmmm...Following on SithMenace's Oz theory, then perhaps Ben made up Jacob as some kind of control tactic? Interesting.
"BAD TWIN" by GOB Adama	Apr 26th, 2007 11:38:16 AM
Is a mediocre (at best) detective story with some limited 'Lost' references. Being somewhat of a fan of the genre I found myself unable to finish it even to pick up the 'Lost' goodies. Here is what I did pick up: 1.) The author is, himself, a fictional characer named Gary Troup. His story is that he was on flight 815 and dies (he was the fellow sucked into the turbine or whatever early in the pilot episode). He was in a relationship with Cindy the stewardess. His name is an anagram for 'purgatory', which is a dick move when you state the island is not purgatory. 2.) The Widmores feature prominently and I noted references to Hanso and Mr. Paik.
no Jacob by Fount of Useless Info	Apr 26th, 2007 11:39:13 AM
I've liked the idea that Jacob is Ben's way of controlling people (much like some of the carnies on Carnivale thought Samson was doing with Management) ever since the episode title, "The Man Behind The Curtain" came out. I don't know if this is true or not, but it fits in with hints we have been given and certainly fits with his (Ben's) personality.
the universe ended? From the tailsection... by PwnedByStallone	Apr 26th, 2007 11:39:51 AM
On the sky turning purple and how 815ers would be dead to Naomi. The sky turning violet is a huge clue, and here is why. There are models of the universe that say things start from the big bang, dissipate, cool down, and eventually cease to exist. All forces weaken until sub atomic particles no longer 'stick' to each other and all we're left with is a big cloud of cold constituent particles with no reason to exist. Bleak, I know. There is another theory called "The Big Crunch" though, that works a little differently, and I am laying down the gauntlet right now and claiming it made its way into the LOST writers room at some point last year and is messing with our minds at this very moment (assuming you read the spoiler below.) Click on through and I'll explain. The failsafe was not supposed to be turned. Why? Because it ended the universe, everywhere but on the island. The evidence? The violet sky. The Big Crunch theory says that there is enough mass in the Universe that eventually all this scattered 'stuff' will begin to accrete until a massive enough conglomerate forms with enough gravity to essentially collapse the universe back down into the tiny point it was prior to the big bang; at that point, it starts all over again. If you were standing on a planet, looking at the sky, you would know this was happening becomes you would notice a 'violet shift'. Just like we use red shift and blue shift to determine our position in the universe with relation to objects around us, 'violet shift' has a special meaning. It tells us that things are 'contracting'. So was the failsafe the end of the universe? Did a new universe construct itself outside of the islands privileged frame of reference? Would that universe follow the new law of LOST time mechanics called 'Course Correction'?
If ben is the man behind the curtain... by PotSmokinAlien	Apr 26th, 2007 11:40:01 AM
then something cooler than jacobs gotta be the wizard... the monster, maybe? or the whole fucking island for that matter?
Parachutist an Other : revised and yes by siatrisx	Apr 26th, 2007 11:43:56 AM
OK The parachutist was coming to the Island to bring the news that someone was actively looking for them, and because of the "incident" (Desmond turning the key) They may have found them. That parachutist also brought a satellite phone because "since the incident, we've got communication problems" (said Tom in previous EP). She was supposed to land and fire the gun to call Mikhail. But she missed her landing and punctured her lungs. Why ? because Desmond change something! He saved Charlie instead of letting him die. So, not knowing who the people caring for her were, she spoke different languages, to find out if they were Mikhail. Now the official translation of what she said in Italian is "I am not alone", meaning others are coming or another parachutist fell in the water. Mikhail did show up as intended when the gun was fired, and left with the phone, again as he was supposed to. Now why would she have Desmond's picture ? Because she knew about Penny looking for the Island, she was coming to the Others with a pic of Desmond, to tell the Others they should let this one go, so the search will be called off. Now this rules out alternate realities / timeline etc. theories. And like the producers said, everything can be explained scientifically...
Jor-El 23 by maxwell's hammer	Apr 26th, 2007 11:47:22 AM
It has been clarified by the producers that the "DHARMA logo" on the plane was just a coincidence. They pointed out that the hexagonal design is on most planes, and that the DHARMA logo hadn't even been designed when the first season was filmed.
concerning spoilers by leesheri	Apr 26th, 2007 11:48:15 AM
For me,spoilers were part of the fun of season one. My boyfriend and I would scour the net for tantalizing tidbits about what was to come. Not the entire lowdown on the episode and certainly not the big reveal. Just enough to get us excited about the next episode or two. Perhaps people like capnjack could post their summaries on their blog and post a link to it here. It really is cool that you have the inside scoop but it isn't cool for those that don't want to spoil the entire episode.
BAAAAHAHAHAHA by jimbojones123	Apr 26th, 2007 11:52:56 AM
IT'S ALL SUN'S FAULT BAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
hmmm by lofe101	Apr 26th, 2007 11:55:56 AM
bilbo's theory some post up sounds quite good. i think patchy was looking for naomi or what ever her name is. he had to of been lookin for her. if not thats quite the coincidece he walked up on them. she tryied speaking to him in spanish, but hurley new that, so she tried another language. she definitely didnt say thank you just by his look. somethings fishy and im with the they staged the crash peps. oh and i also think that sun will be the first one not to die from being pregnant.
5x the amount of sperm... by TheBigChill	Apr 26th, 2007 11:56:52 AM
I kind of agree with the idea that the women die because of the foreign body concept. But not the way it seems to be discussed in here. I posted this theory when Jack was performing the surgery on Ben. Not sure how many of you know exactly what tumors are, but not all tumors are cancerous. Some are, but others are just growths of extra cells that aren't necessary, but the body keeps producing them. It seems as though the island has the ability to accelerate the healing process, which requires the use of specific cells to perform that. Wounds, broken bones, cancer. Those have been healed at amazing rates on the island. Now, cancer is a foreign mass that exists inside the body, which would explain why the Rose was able to be healed, and why Ben wasn't. Ben had a benign tumor, one that wasn't cancerous, and was just a growth. And because it was just a growth, the body could do nothing to get rid of it. It was an abnormality, but not an illness. With that said, I think the women die for one of two reasons. With 5x the amount of sperm, doesn't that make them more likely to conceive multiple children? And how many? Sure, there are women able to give birth to eight children, but how many can actually handle that? That is one idea. Another is that because cells are produced so fast on the island, is there not the potential for the child to grow to fast inside the women's stomaches, and they die because they just aren't ready to give birth while the child is ready to come out? This is where I am unsure, but it seems to make sense especially when Juliette said that the women died in the middle of the third trimester. Just a few ideas . . .
Mikhail by lordgrimplemort	Apr 26th, 2007 11:58:02 AM
I thought it was generally agreed upon that Mikhail's death was faked when we found out that Claire had an implant that could make her bleed when the others activated it. If Mikhail had one that gave him a serious seizure when going through the fence, that would explain that. It's looking more like this whole island is still just a huge mind game for those unlucky enough to be stuck here. Why else would they have this secret hidden baby room inside another hidden room on an island that nobody knows about or can easily find anyway? Juliette said they take the women to die there, but the Others already know their women are dying so why would they have to hide them? Almost every single piece of Dharma equipment so far has been designed to screw with people's minds, starting with the button. And I still don't remember them explaining why, if the button actuallly was important, would they leave it in control of people who would likely find the other hatch where the video tells you that the swan hatch is just a psych experiment? Even if they didn't, at some point most people would figure it's all bullshit and stop pushing it. Has that ever been explained on a podcast or other site?
siatrisx by PwnedByStallone	Apr 26th, 2007 11:58:57 AM
Interestign theory but then wh ydid she say the 815 survivors were dead?
parachuter by purplemonkeydw	Apr 26th, 2007 12:00:01 PM
Some sort of medium or mystic looking for the dead? Cause they're all dead. Dead I say!
more stuff by leesheri	Apr 26th, 2007 12:02:09 PM
You can tell when it was a good episode, because so many ideas are brought to the board. ;) siatrisx - Your theory is pretty solid, with the exception of everything being explained scientifcly, but couldn't PC have been unconscious and not know what she was doing? My dad works in a hospital and when bi-lingual people aren't well they curse him out in different languages. maxwell - I remember reading that, but I take what the writers say with a grain of salt. (example: "everything can be explained scientifically" fount - now that would be cool, but the wizard didn't really have magic, just a bag of tricks. Perhaps this is why Ben is in trouble with the island. He is using its magic and manipulating people.
If I'm right, where's Ethan and Goodwin? by SimpleSandwiches	Apr 26th, 2007 12:10:03 PM
What if the island brings EVERYONE, and I truly mean EVERYONE, back from the dead with its healing powers???!!!!!!!! Jack's "vision" of his father on the island after the crash as well as Mikhail being on his feet again...they were not buried after their deaths!!! I think the Nikki and Paulo episode somewhat hinted at this phenomenon. It takes the island a day or 2, depending on how the person died, to heal them and bring them back to life!!! Boone, Shannon, Ecko, the guy who arrested Kate...all dead, then brought back to life, but brought back to life under 6 feet of sand!!! Imagine them just going through this cycle of death and life constantly under the sand! That's WTF and I think I just blew my mind !!!!
Standing corrected by Slugworth	Apr 26th, 2007 12:10:18 PM
For some reason, I didn't remember that angle. I suppose it makes Jacob's swindles less egregious as the notion of an "older" twin is somewhat arbitrary.
parachutest - What languages did she speak? by leesheri	Apr 26th, 2007 12:10:20 PM
She spoke more than two languages. Didn't Jin say she wasn't speaking Korean when she was speaking some sort of Asian language. Spanish, an Asian language, English, Italian? Big Chill - that makes perfect sense. With the exception of the 8 babies thing. Unless all those sperm are stronger and go up the fallopian tubes. Now that would -f- anybody up, but Juliet would see that on the MRI
Crazy Theory by huskers302000	Apr 26th, 2007 12:14:11 PM
Maybe the whole show is about a Sims-type role playing game that started (almost like the show itself did) with the basic premise of "a bunch of people are stranded on an island after a plane crash." That could explain the sudden emergence of different characters (Naomi, TASG, Mikhail, etc.) as people joining the game and disappearances of others (Rose, Bernard, Sayid this year!) - people still logged on but not playing at the moment, and the complete "death" of others - Eko, Libby, Ana Lucia - logged off completely. The final episode will be these characters still in the airport or somewhere else playing the game on a laptop computer. The rest of the details of the show really are being made up as they go along because they really don't matter.
A possible theory.. by Dapper Swindler	Apr 26th, 2007 12:17:58 PM
Maybe that's how 47 people were able to survive the plane crash. They weren't quite dead, just mostly dead, and would have surely been completely dead soon if the island did not heal them from lingering on death's door.
Trusting Naomi and Juliette by lordgrimplemort	Apr 26th, 2007 12:18:50 PM
I still don't think there's reason to trust Naomi. Others above here said she seemed to be talking to Mikhail and told him "I'm not alone". That goes well with the theory that she's just another mole for the others. They give her a picture of Penny and tell her about Desmond and all of a sudden he trusts her completely. Also, how stupid was Sun to go into the jungle in the middle of the night with Juliette who is a member of a group known to kidnap pregnant women and steal babies. If Juliette was trying to help, why woulnd't she let anyone else come along? If Sun had any common sense she would have assumed the worst. Trust no one!!
leesheri by maxwell's hammer	Apr 26th, 2007 12:20:42 PM
I know that sometimes the producers play a little coy when discussing the show, but most of the time on the PodCasts, they're genuinly trying to straighten people out on misconceptions. I think if you start second-guessing every single think they say, you're falling down a really deep well of paranoia. Although i'm sure some people dig the conspiracy theory stuff. For me, they said that wasn't a DHARMA logo, and I believe them.
about Patchy being alive by BLWiseass	Apr 26th, 2007 12:23:36 PM
He said "thank you" to Locke right before the sonic boom made blodd squirt out his ears. Also Klugh told him "you know what to do" and he shot her. Blood packets maybe? We know the others had lots of makeup and wigs and fake beards etc so is it beyond reasonable to assume they can fake their own deaths?
sorry by leesheri	Apr 26th, 2007 12:28:19 PM
sonogram not MRI - such a blonde moment. lord- I think Sun is capable of taking care of herself. I agree that trusting Juliet is a mistake, but I think Jack is doing this on purpose. He thinks she is salvageable or something and because she knows their secrets. As for Naomi, I wouldn't trust her completely, but I would want to see what she has to say. So all of us so pissed off that no one is asking questions: Jin and Sun wanted answers. They moved up a notch on my cool characters list. ;) Simplesandwich - Niki and Paolo were not dead. The spider just paralyzed them. They were buried alive. The dead stay dead unless smokey inhabits their bodies.
TheBigChill by DeceitfulNinja	Apr 26th, 2007 12:29:12 PM
5x a sperm count wouldn't produce octoplets or anything. If anything, it would be more likely to have paternal twins. This happens when each ovary has produced an egg (rare) and each gets fertalized before the other drops (rare). Any more than 2 children at once are maternal twins, caused by the fertalized egg splitting into two or more embryos.
American 191, TWA 800, Pan Am 103 by Steve_Dooku	Apr 26th, 2007 12:31:02 PM
I'll bet at least one of those wrecks triggers a memory. Awful plane crashes stay in peoples memories, an Ocean 815 is only 90 days old. It's not so off the wall for Naomi to know facts about the crash. Patchy either knows and confirmed the healing powers of the island (and alluded that "on this island" the healing power isn't as potent) or he is playing into the perception of the healing like a good magician. No way in hell Hurley accidentally fired that flare gun and did it properly. "oops" my ass. For the love of God, don't mention Clones. This was brought up weeks ago and a few weren't too keen on it. I believe something IS up with Jack though.
Steve_Dooku by Fount of Useless Info	Apr 26th, 2007 12:32:39 PM
If Brian Johnson can accidentally set off the flare gun in his locker, thus smashing the ceramic elephant and earning him detention on a Saturday, Hurley could fire a flare into the sky on accident.
flat out major spoilers!!!! by ag 721	Apr 26th, 2007 12:36:20 PM
we are finally going back to the black rock where locke has his dad held hostage who just happens to be the real sawyer (huck finn was taken) and i know im an asshole for posting this.
leesheri by SimpleSandwiches	Apr 26th, 2007 12:37:42 PM
I kow P and N were paralyzed but I thought it may be a nod that not everything that's buried is actually dead.
all this talk of faking... by dodgethis	Apr 26th, 2007 12:42:33 PM
All this faking stuff you guys keep talking about, faking the plane crash, faking deaths - at some point the show has to step up and let their be a real explanation for some of this stuff. Not just that everything is being faked. Blood packets? Really? Are the others that awesome that they know so far in advance what is happening that they keep blood packets glued to them selves and guns with fake ammo just to fake the losties out and mess with their heads. That would even be a little silly within the Lost universe wouldn't it? I think the extent of the faking should stop with the beards and tattered clothes.
Fount by Steve_Dooku	Apr 26th, 2007 12:45:15 PM
Then it's good they haven't found any duct tape.
dodge by leesheri	Apr 26th, 2007 12:50:42 PM
she didn't need blood packets. If she was shot in a nonlethal place she could have been healed by the island and is up to her dirty tricks again. simple- oh - then I agree to the extent that smokey inhabits the dead. ;) Steve - Hurley is the king of the understatement. What he did was awesome and it attracted Mikhail so it works for me.
If they're in Hell... by Novaman5000	Apr 26th, 2007 01:07:38 PM
Then what happens to them when they die on the island? They go to extra hell? Maybe hell is just a place where you work through your life, make ammend, and once you "die" there, you go to paradise.
bilbo by rbrog77	Apr 26th, 2007 01:09:01 PM
Jin's mom had been with many men. His "father" said someone had to look after the baby after momma left
Jin's dad by oisin5199	Apr 26th, 2007 01:09:02 PM
I was just going to ask the same thing. Are we assuming because Jin's mom was with 'many men' means that he might not be his biological father. I think that's a big jump, and I'd be disappointed if it were true. First, the whole brother/sister thing would be a pointless mindfuck. 2nd, this story is about shame and pride. It makes much more sense that Jin's real father is the lowly fisherman he wants to disown. I also thought Jin's dad wiped his hand first out of respect, because he might be considered 'dirty' by someone of her class. I don't really know about Korean class politics, so I could be wrong. Awesome ep, but in a much subtler way about Sun's complicity in her own problems with her husband.
Jin's dad by Leopold Scotch	Apr 26th, 2007 01:09:45 PM
When Sun met him in this week's episode, he said Jin's mum slept around and it wasn't guaranteed that Jin was his son. That's all there was. Once again, if this is the case, just about every survivor would appear to have very important daddy issues, and this will probably be significant, though I can't think how at this point.
It's safe to assume Jin's father IS his father... by Novaman5000	Apr 26th, 2007 01:13:10 PM
Jin's father made the comment because it said alot about his character... He was a lowly fisherman who took in a boy who wasn't his and raised him as his own. A good, decent man who's disowned by his son because his son is embarassed. A man who lied to his son rather than spare him shame about who his mother really was... Who didn't come to the wedding of his only child for the same reason. The comment was just more evidence that Jins father, poorer than poor, was a far better man than Mr. Paik, super rich bastard, could ever hope to be. A sad sort of commentary on their culture, that values money and "face" over all else. You couldn't help but feel bad for this man... And when he wiped his hand before touching son, you felt even worse because it showed that even he believed he wasn't good enough for the rest of the world.
Fount of Useless Info by PwnedByStallone	Apr 26th, 2007 01:15:59 PM
Awesome. Just...awesome. Steve_Dooku: Poor Larry Lester
*that's "touching SUN" by Novaman5000	Apr 26th, 2007 01:16:02 PM
Whoops
Something IS up with jack... Why do you think by Novaman5000	Apr 26th, 2007 01:18:18 PM
The finale is Jack-Centric? I'm betting we're going to find out big things happened to him while he was with the others for those 5 days.
If hell is a beautiful desert island... by PwnedByStallone	Apr 26th, 2007 01:21:11 PM
with hot chicks subathing, women and food falling out of sky, faster healing, and screaming infants being hauled into the woods away from the camp...then sign me up Satan!
The island can't be hell or purgatory... THINK ABOUT IT by Novaman5000	Apr 26th, 2007 01:48:44 PM
Naomi crossed over from the real world into hell, still alive? That doesn't even make sense! More likely is that the wreckage was faked or simply FOUND - Does no one remember that the majority of it was swept out to sea. This no survivors doesn't mean they ACTUALLY DIED! It means the wreckage was found and the search produced no survivors. It's assumed they were eaten by ocean life or sank to the bottom of the sea with the rest of the wreckage...
Does anyone have the exact italian words Naomi told by Novaman5000	Apr 26th, 2007 01:55:31 PM
Patchy? I know it translated to something like "we're not alone" but i speak a bit of Italian and i was about curious her exact phrase.
nevermind- found it: by Novaman5000	Apr 26th, 2007 01:57:38 PM
"Me estoy muriendo" is Spanish for "I am dying" (from the captions). "Aiutami sto morendo" is Italian for "Help me I'm dying" (from the captions; partially incorrect, but comprehensible). She mutters in an "asian language" (from the captions) which Jin claims is Chinese, not Korean. "出了什么事?(chu le shen me shi)" is Chinese for "What happened?" or "What's going on?". After Mikhail and Desmond treat Naomi's wound, she says something in Portuguese not spelled out in the captions. It is not "Thank you" as Mikhail claims. Instead, it sounds like "Eu não estou só" which is Portuguese (spoken with a Brazilian accent) for "I am not alone." The "Ardil-22" book is also Portuguese.
Nova and OT by leesheri	Apr 26th, 2007 01:58:00 PM
I absolutely agree with you. I mentioned the sub being used to drag it where it needs to go. There is also the thing that made the food drop to consider. OT - Have you ever googled yourself? It is quite scary.
Googlebation: n. To google one's self. by Fount of Useless Info	Apr 26th, 2007 02:12:16 PM
Googling myself turns up very few results. It's mostly boring stuff from when I was in school. Nothing unexpected, fortunately.
Clap. Clap. Clap.... by PwnedByStallone	Apr 26th, 2007 02:13:34 PM
Clap. Clap. Clap. Clap. Clap. Clap.Clap.Clap.Clap... A little slow clap for Novaman5000. Damn dude. you go above and beyond the call. You put the fucking Chinese characaters in the post! I'm humbled.
Naomi is not an Other by Professor Falcon	Apr 26th, 2007 02:32:26 PM
She was sent there by Penny specifically to find Desmond, just the way the guys in the research center also speaking Portugese were working for Penny, too. Penny doesn't care that Flight 815 crashed. As far as she knows it has nothing to do with the missing boyfriend she's searching for. Patchy was investigating the flare that Hurley shot and ran smack into them. When Naomi said "I am not alone" I believe she meant, "I'm not the only person who was in the helicopter" as in, "There may be other injured people that came with me that are still alive in the jungle that need help". Patchy would obviously not want the Losties to know this, seeing as he always seems hell bent on not ever helping them unless a gun is pointed at him. As for Naomi saying "No one survived the crash", she could just be repeating what she'd heard in the news, ad nauseum. I mean, how many transcontinental flights do you know of that have crashed in the middle of the ocean, NOT shortly after take off or while landing? None. That IS the kind of thing that people remember. Hell, I still remember the plane (TWA 800) that crashed off the coast of Long Island back in 1996 and I didn't know anyone that was on it or have any reason to be particularly interested in it. Those kinds of things just have a way of sticking in your head, especially when there's been exhaustive media coverage, as was certainly the case with Flight 815, as witnessed on the monitors that Patchy was watching in his hut.
I can't really take the credit, I found it on the web by Novaman5000	Apr 26th, 2007 02:32:54 PM
somewhere. Still, I was pretty surprised that the characters came through unscathed in this primitive posting system we call a talkback.
Yunjin Kim earned her paycheck for the season! by GimpInMyPants	Apr 26th, 2007 02:34:06 PM
Was she great or what? Best fucking thing in that episode.
Alternate reality by jimmy_009	Apr 26th, 2007 02:41:08 PM
Where the people have 4 toes. Has everyone forgot about the 4 toed statue? C'mon people.
Re: Jimmy by R James	Apr 26th, 2007 03:05:37 PM
Four toes doesn't require an alternate reality. Could be evolution, a slightly different lifeform, or a mutation all existing within the present reality.
Jimmy by rbrog77	Apr 26th, 2007 03:06:56 PM
As pointed out by someone last week, it doesn't have to be an alternate reality for 4 toes. it could be their in the future and able to look back across the rhelm of infinite possiblities...making that the alternate reality. It also could be that the losties from their reality didn't make a difference but made a difference in other realities. Therefore the other's knew they could make a difference and took them from this plane crash. if you consider this, then wouldn't that explain why the camera was cut off abruptly when Juliet was watching her sister...becuase juliet still existed in that reality. Wouldn't it also possibly explain why Ben said she could not go back...because it she went back in that reality there would be 2 Juliets. It would also mean that Ben never told a lie since everything had the possibility of coming true.
Things i need by rbrog77	Apr 26th, 2007 03:08:44 PM
Spell check and to step away from the bong
Was thinking the same thing about Hurley by _Maltheus_	Apr 26th, 2007 03:18:43 PM
That accidental flare shot didn't seem so accidental. Not that I can think of a reason for him to do it otherwise. Unless he made a "numbers" related deal with the others. As for trusting Juliette, she's obviously a liar. But I don't think we have any reason to believe that the others aren't sincere about the problem they're dealing with. If the others want to kidnap Sun, there's nothing anyone could do to stop them. I don't blame her for going off with Juliette. So did Ben lock up Alex's boyfriend to keep him from getting Alex pregnant? I don't recall the reason given, if any.
No Survivors vs. Everyone Dead by NetProphet	Apr 26th, 2007 03:26:40 PM
Does anyone have an exact quote of the way Naomi said it? I'll have to rewatch when I get home, but I think it was more of "no survivors" than a definitive "they found it with everyone dead". With a mid ocean crash, there is usually a very widespread debris field which spreads wider with currents above and below water over time. It is very unlikely that all bodies would ever be recovered. Just read up on some of the incidents over the years - most recently Adam Air Flight 574. With any large wreckage likely to be found several thousand feet below the Pacific, it would not be surprising that a "no survivor" declaration would be made within a few weeks of finding pieces of plane floating around. As I said before, my bet would be on Ben and company to use some of the wreckage and bodies to squash any intensive search. Furthermore, with deep sea searches, nearby private ships with undersea scanning equipment are usually brought in to try and find the black boxes ASAP (I think their beacons are only good for thirty days, maybe less under deep sea conditions). Perhaps Mittelos volunteered use of their submarine, and was involved in the official search mission, which not surprisingly came back with the no survivor report. In the life stranger than fiction category, check out http://tinyurl.com/274wwv for the bizarre story about the initial search for Adam Air 574. Wreckage was eventually found under 5,500 feet of water (relatively shallow) using a towed sonar beacon.
Professor Falcon by PwnedByStallone	Apr 26th, 2007 03:29:03 PM
I totally agree about your interpretation of Naomi's remark on 815. When she said there were no survivors that could have easily been inferred from the fact that no survivors were FOUND. Actually I hope that is the explanation. I find the idea of alternate realities or staged crashes somewhat hokey.
Nova is the best asset us LostLovers have by jimbojones123	Apr 26th, 2007 03:31:26 PM
Thanks for all the sifting and helping us remember the smallest details every week. Oh and SUN RUINED HER OWN LIFE -- BAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Cooky by Banky the Hack	Apr 26th, 2007 03:35:22 PM
Everyone knows if you die in Hell, you go to Detroit.
Also on Adam Air 574 by NetProphet	Apr 26th, 2007 03:35:30 PM
The main wreckage was found after two months of searching, and was in relatively shallow waters along the known flight path. Wasn't it said that 815 was a thousand miles of course after attempting to turn around in the middle of the Pacific?
Banky the Hack by PwnedByStallone	Apr 26th, 2007 03:38:38 PM
I thought it was New Jersey?
Jacob has, but really hasn't, been seen before by NetProphet	Apr 26th, 2007 03:40:12 PM
because he is actually Hurley's friend DAVE!
I agree- no survivors doesn't mean that by Novaman5000	Apr 26th, 2007 03:46:12 PM
they found all of the lostie's bodies dead. It means they found NO bodies and they were PRESUMED DEAD.
i thought it was wisconsin by kingoflight	Apr 26th, 2007 03:52:10 PM
anyway, my little bet the company staged the fake plane crash to the rest of the world to keep the losties on the island. They seam to be protecting the island like its gold dust, They also seam to find it incredible hard to get people that a perggers on the island. 9 ladies in 3 years ?
Here's a mindfuck of a theory after reading OT's post. by PwnedByStallone	Apr 26th, 2007 04:01:51 PM
What if WE'RE (the audience) is Jacob? That would fucking rule!
I 'm with pwned its New Jersey by leesheri	Apr 26th, 2007 04:09:21 PM
OMG that would be very funny. Our fave show turned out to be a reality show after all. Next season we get to call in and vote off the worst ;) jimbo I agree he really is.
9 ladies in 3 years by _Maltheus_	Apr 26th, 2007 04:11:42 PM
Is actually a lot for a small community when you consider there's a death sentence attached to it. If anything they were saying that it's very easy to get pregnant, not hard. Hence the super sperm comment.
I had a thought by exie	Apr 26th, 2007 04:12:19 PM
If the island has this crazy curing powers, then perhaps it's not so far fetched to understand why there were survivors from flight 815. Maybe the island cured all of them like it did Mikhail? I don't think all the dead are going to rise from the ground (although that would be cool) but I'm wondering if the island has the ability to cure it's inhabitants to a point...or it only cures those who deserve the 2nd chance? As for Jack having a twin or being Jacob, I can't predict anything. All I saw from Jack's questioning Sun last night was he learned from Juliet what happens to the pregnant women on the island and he's checking to make sure it's not happening to Sun who he is fond of. I didn't infer anything else from their scene together.
Island's curing. by mordiceius	Apr 26th, 2007 04:27:35 PM
Maybe those that survived were only ALMOST dead. The dead cannot be revived, but those that are only close, can be.
Jacob is..... by Steve_Dooku	Apr 26th, 2007 04:50:24 PM
Miracle Max! Yes, since they were only mostly dead he was able to save them with the bellows of life.
Naomi's words .... by observer(jb)	Apr 26th, 2007 05:07:55 PM
It's been posted already, but here is my understanding of what she said. I had closed-captioning on and it appeared that she spoke in Spanish (me estoy muriendo), Italian, Chinese before settling on English. It's interesting that she spoke the foreign languages while she was severely injured and semi-unconscious. She only spoke English once it was obvious that she was fully lucid. If she was trying to decieve the losties or Mikhail by speaking in a foreign language, it wouldn't make much sense to me. She wasn't fully conscious when she spoke so it seems unlikely she would have enough of her mental faculties to be able to consciously deceive others by speaking in a foreign language, much less be aware of who was present and needed to be kept in the dark. When she spoke the words that Mikhail translated as "Thank you", she was speaking in portuguese (according to the caption) and she said "não estou só" (or "I'm not alone"). This was barely a whisper so I'm not sure if she spoke with a Brazilian accent or a European portuguese accent. Mikhail obviously understood her words, so who knows how many languages he speaks.
exie / mordecius by PotSmokinAlien	Apr 26th, 2007 05:17:05 PM
Testify, my brothers and sisters... this has gotta be what's going on.
Just before Hurley says "What?" by Leopold Scotch	Apr 26th, 2007 05:17:25 PM
Naomi says something along the lines of "everybody died", not "nobody was found alive". I just think this dragging the wreckage out to a different site with a couple of dead bodies theory is lame. I hope it's something better than that. I can just imagine how rubbish the scene will be when it's all explained. NAMOI: Oh yeah - umm... when I said "everybody died", I actually meant they only found about twenty bodies and a small chunk of metal, so we all just assumed that everybody died and that the rest of the plane was just under water. This assumption was good enough for the search party so they didn't bother looking for the black box which is probably hanging from a tree just off the beach, where the pilot died in the first episode. HURLEY: Aahh, so what you said earlier wasn't actually that big a deal at all, despite everything pointing to it being a big deal, because none of us have assumed that people are still searching for us anyway, cos it's been like three months. If you'd been more careful with your statements, this backtracking conversation could have been easily avoided. BEN [jumps out of the bushes]: AHA!!! Here I am: Once again I've demonstrated the extent of my powers by dragging some metal out to sea and convincing the world that everything else is under water, thus allowing me to keep you here. See? See how you stumble with shock? HURLEY: Well as I said earlier, we haven't really been expecting anyone to come anyway. And it's been pretty obvious that you don't wantus to leave (or it's impossible for us to leave). Finally, the reason I stumble is due to a combination of this uneven ground and my rotund torso. Oh, I see. Well, I'm off to tug more broken shit around with my new boat, Elizabeth, since I've recently just lost the sub. Toodles...[jumps back into the bushes] HURLEY: Dude... Best episode ever.
4 toes by PotSmokinAlien	Apr 26th, 2007 05:20:15 PM
ive been keeping this one to myself b/c it seems a little technical for the show but since we got mr purple sky up there dropping some science why not: apparently in biology the less toes an animal has, the more 'perfectly' evolved it is considered to be. horses, eg, they are like a perfectly designed machine and all they need is that one little peg down there to do balance despite all the shit they can do. so this rumpled foreskin character who is talking about how the island is in the future and the 4 toes point to the future and not the past--- evolutionary science has got his back.
Ben being 'born on the island' by PotSmokinAlien	Apr 26th, 2007 05:24:29 PM
this healing info... can ben not leave the island because it created him ('born' of the figurative 'magic box') or maybe, as a baby, he almost died b/c of all the pregnancy-on-the-island problems but the island brought him back, and that's why he can't leave? its funny how this feels like it isnt new info--the healing--but it really blows some shit wide open. well done writers/loose end killers!
Almost dead by Jack Burton	Apr 26th, 2007 05:25:15 PM
Wasn't Bernard the only survivor found in a seat? Everyone else was already out and about on the beach when the show started. Except Jack, he was lying face up in the jungle not at all looking like he'd just been hurled from a plane. Very few surivors had any injuries to speak of. Seems like that should be explained one of these days. Maybe the island does stop you from dying.
Another great one, this has been on a roll by minderbinder	Apr 26th, 2007 05:59:22 PM
since the tattoo episode. The beginning of the season was inconsistent, some great episodes but some weak ones and some bad pacing problems. But this show has been a steamroller for a couple months now, only one weak episode since the hiatus. It's funny how it's following the same pattern as last year - some meandering early/midseason (and the typical whining and threats to stop watching) but once it got to the last arcs, it was killer up to the last bit of the season finale. And as good as it has been, you just know those last four are going to crank it up even more. I'm similarly optomistic for Heroes, but I wish I could say the same for 24.
nikki and paulo by kingoflight	Apr 26th, 2007 06:07:44 PM
will be back
what about only being able to die 1 time on the island by warp11	Apr 26th, 2007 06:20:35 PM
If all the losties died once when the plane crashed, maybe they couldn't die again. That is why Mikhal could die once and come back.
I friggen fell asleep...Hey Brendan, you still alive? by Sappers Forward	Apr 26th, 2007 06:36:20 PM
Well at least my trusty DVR recorded every boring minute of it. I'll check it out tonight. Gorguts!
HERE'S MY THEORY ABOUT WHAT NAOMI SAID... by Pardon_My_Zinger	Apr 26th, 2007 06:47:47 PM
Okay, I know it's been nearly a day since the show aired; plus, sorry, I did NOT have time to read all of the above posts, so forgive me if someone else has already come up with this theory. BUT HERE GOES: Naomi said that all the people on the flight were supposed to have died. Well, the Others have contact with the mainland; I'm guessing that they were somehow able to get the "official" word on the flight changed to that, so that no one would come to try and rescue the passengers, so that the Others would be free to experiment on them. Assuming anyone's still reading this, anyone out there think I might be on to something?
I'm almost sure that I've already seen... by The Artist FKA Vesuvio	Apr 26th, 2007 07:42:21 PM
.... this "can't leave, place keeps me alive" thing somewhere else. Can't remember where, though. Its an interesting theory nonetherless, specially in what concern to the future of the 815 'survivors', if they really died and are now bounded to the island too. Anyway, will this motherfucking site ever be updated again? Fuck that Condemned shit.
I would like to knwo the following thing by emeraldboy	Apr 26th, 2007 07:50:01 PM
Where the Hell has JJ abrams gone. It has only dawned on me that he his name hasnt really appeared on this show in recent past. Does he have any real involvement with the show bar being an exec producer, these days? he co-created the thing and he directed some eps but has he left the show? answers, please.......
Naomi said by PwnedByStallone	Apr 26th, 2007 07:56:30 PM
"They found the plane. There were no survivors. They were all dead." That fucks up my theory.
Pardon_My_Zinger is probably right by performingmonkey	Apr 26th, 2007 08:20:44 PM
The Others could have faked a report saying 815 was found with no survivors (they could say all the bodies were lost at sea or something). In the Juliet episode we see Mikhail in the Flame station being able to communicate with the outside world and we see news headlines saying Flight 815 is missing. Ben could have told him to send out the message to stop looking for 815.
They're CLONES? by sparkflyer	Apr 26th, 2007 08:36:29 PM
And there's also a phantom menace. We're fucked.
The Crying Game by ArcadianDS	Apr 26th, 2007 09:06:12 PM
She's a He.
monsters by dancetothebeatofthelivingdead	Apr 26th, 2007 09:07:06 PM
I haven't watched the first season since..well, the fist season, and this is just a thought. (I should go back and watch it before posting this to avoid getting my head ripped off, but...) the "Monster" that the castaways heard that first night. They heard a horrible noise and saw treetops shaking like crazy, could that have been the Others using some kind of machine to drag a piece of fuselage to dump somewhere into the ocean? Like I said it's been two years, but i remember the noise somewhat, and what i remember could have sounded like tons of steel being pulled and dragged. It's just a thought, any thoughts?
novaman this is spoilish by ag 721	Apr 26th, 2007 09:29:13 PM
she says next week that the search party found all the bodies and the plane in 4 mile deep trench.
king of flight by ag 721	Apr 26th, 2007 09:34:36 PM
my theory is the reason there were only 9 bitches pregnant is because they were only the test subjects thats why they abduct people and thats what cindy will be used for. and i know other "others" are fucking , juliete and alex just to name some but the 9 she was talking about were only tests. and whos to say that they didnt have more pregnant bitches but juliet wasnt dealing with them
observer jb "spoiler" you are right about by ag 721	Apr 26th, 2007 09:37:36 PM
what naomi said next week we learn that she has an aircraft carrier search team just a few miles away that was "duh" sent by juliet
It's funny how people thought the Others... by Dapper Swindler	Apr 26th, 2007 09:37:54 PM
...had this vast network controlling all of the world. They made Hurley win the lottery just to fuck with him. They covered up flight 815 and convinced the world it crashed and there were no survivors. Etc, etc, etc. Didn't we learn in Juliet's flashback that the Other's vast conspiracy network on the outside world consists of little more than Richard Alpert and a shakey camcorder walking around in a park?
the reason by Cartel West	Apr 26th, 2007 10:26:17 PM
for the 5-star rating is easy: jin's chuck norris-like roundhouse kick to the face brought me back to the glory days of RockyIV ivan drago socialist beatdowns. 'If he dies, he dies.'
why by slkboxrman	Apr 27th, 2007 12:10:29 AM
is there debate over what naomi said ?? no survivors vs all dead....she said both in the same sentence..she said "they found the plane, there were no survivors, they were all dead" it wasnt either/or...so debate over what she said in english is redundant and retarded. the line was probably purposefully written that way to avoid debate by people that analyze everyrthing and anything from LOST....but i guess that plan went out the window..obviously some of you didnt watch the episode, werent paying atttention, or read talkbacks before u actually watch an episode, perhaps so u dont have to watch the episode...as for what she said in foreign languages, who knows....i do think the line that mikhail translated as "thank u..." was a lie...
. by AllieJamison	Apr 27th, 2007 03:43:08 AM
best and most insightful naomi explanation to me came from siatrisx. that's all i have to say.
Testing by smellmycheese	Apr 27th, 2007 04:34:18 AM
one two three
I'm with siatrisx by smellmycheese	Apr 27th, 2007 05:27:30 AM
Ok then... I've only just watched the episode, so joining the discussion late. Like siatrisx, my thoughts are that the parachutist is working with/for the Others. She has been sent by their contacts on the outside following the loss of contact. Mikhail knew that someone would come (with a sat phone) and that a flare would be fired to alert him to their presence, as this was probably their contingency plan. The parachutist is not to be trusted, nor is anything she says (like there being no survivors!). "I am not alone" may refer to Penny's search vessel, which she spotted en route, and therefore a warning to the Others rather than a confirmation of further assistance. Of course, it's just as possible that she is working for Penny and can be trusted. If she believes there were no survivors then that's probably what was reported in the press. Either way... 1) They are NOT dead and NOT in purgatory (FFS! How many times do these theories need to be debunked by the writers??) 2) The smoke monster manifests itself as people/things from people's lives to manipulate them (it does this through scanning/reading them as it did with Ecko and Juliet and taking their form - NOT by occupying a corpse!). It can therefore make it appear that Yemi, Christian Shepherd, Dave, a black horse (Kate) and a cat (Sayid) are alive and well on the island when they are in fact not. As the monster, as Yemi, said to Ecko "Why do you talk to me as if I were your brother?" 3) Mikhail faked his death. Graphic as it was, I got the impression in "Left Behind" that the force field (or whatever it is) wasn't even activated. Juliet knew it was deactived and had to turn it on when the monster was chasing them. Mikhail also knew it was deactivated and used this knowledge to fake his death to escape. The Island may cure illnesses but cannot cure death (just ask Boone, Shannon, Libby, Ana Lucia, Ecko, Artz, Kelvin, Danny Picket and his wife... need I go on?) Mikhail was just fucking with them. 4) No one has, or will, EVER travel through space or time on this show. EVER. Not even Desmond. I do enjoy reading different theories... I especially liked Rumple's theory... I just don't think it's original or mainstream enough to be the actual answer to the programme's mysteries.
If Naomi is an other by Leopold Scotch	Apr 27th, 2007 05:59:22 AM
Why did she have a picture of Desmond? From what I saw, they searched her stuff and didn't find any other pictures. "Ah," you might say, "but how do you know it's her bag?" Well I don't for sure, but it's pretty likely that it is, since there was a copy of a book in Portugese and a Satellite phone. Unless it turns out that she is working for the others AND for Widmore and Penny found out and asked her to take the picture in case they meet. But that would totaly disregard the station in the (ant)arctic that we saw at the end of season 2. Smellmycheese, although, as you say, the writers have discounted the purgatory theories, I'm pretty sure they've also assured us that Desmond really did go back to when he was with Penny. The reason she knows how to go about looking for him is because, back in the pub, he told his Scottish scientist pal all about the button and electromagnetic stuff, and the island in general. When he really did disappear (or when Desmond's football predictions came true), this island stuff actually became significant to the scientist, so he finally did something about it. Also, if Mikhail faked his sonic fence fit, how did he manage to get blood squirting out his ears? Surely he didn't have time to assume that they would push him through the fence and take action by putting little blood pellets in his ears or whatever? Maybe the fence was never designed to kill anyone: maybe it is just a means of incapacitating individuals for a while (making his fit legit) and keeping out the monster. Sure, his symptoms looked pretty serious, but it hasn't all been explained yet.
Another thing by Leopold Scotch	Apr 27th, 2007 06:08:47 AM
She didn't miss her landing because Desmond changed something. Demond saw the vision of what would have happened if Charlie got killed, and they still had to cut the parachutist out of the tree. And the "I am not alone" comment is quite obvious because the helicopter crashed into the sea. She never piloted the thing by herself then jumped out before it crashed. The only doubt is whether the helicopter was intended to land or whether she meant "I am not alone" as in there was another parachutist, or maybe she meant "I am not alone" as in "there is a team waiting just out of the island's range". The language thing could have just been attributed to shock and disorientation, and the primary function for the writers is not to allow her to communicate properly until the end of the episode.
Four Miles = 21,000+ feet by NetProphet	Apr 27th, 2007 06:18:22 AM
Which would pretty much rule out that either the plane or any bodies had been, or ever will be, recovered from the alleged crash site. By contrast, the Titanic wreck is only 2.5 miles deep. If the spoilerish word is that the plane and all of the bodies were "found" in a four mile deep trench, then it only backs up the theory that somebody was able to influence the official report. In fact, only a submersible (remote or specialized submarine) could be used at such depths.
Hey, I'm not a biologist! by PotSmokinAlien	Apr 27th, 2007 06:30:53 AM
but thanks for the compliment, i must have seemed really informed to confuse you like that. weren't there little 3 toed horses way back in the age of mammals or whatever they called it when all of those 16 horned rhinos were running around? maybe it would be more clear to say 'it is a more common evolutionary trend for a species to lose toes over time than gain them, thus shoring up rumpled foreskin's ideas'?
"more pregnant bitches" by Thunderbolt Ross	Apr 27th, 2007 07:15:25 AM
sweet.
Being very picky, but not a roundhouse kick by FXMoon	Apr 27th, 2007 07:33:50 AM
Jin threw a spinning hook kick, I'm pretty sure - he hits one-eye guy with his heel - a roundhouse comes from the other direction and hits with instep (or ball of foot if barefoot). Also, they filmed it from very low, which you usually do if the kicker isn't that flexible to make it look like a higher kick.
yeah, we found all 200 or whatever bodies... by PotSmokinAlien	Apr 27th, 2007 07:35:57 AM
at the bottom of a 4 mile deep chasm in the middle of the ocean. nothing fishy about that. heh, 'fishy' get it?
Things to know/remember by rbrog77	Apr 27th, 2007 08:49:44 AM
Let's remember the book by Gary Troudeau (sp?) Bad Twin (Mikhal, Jack, Locke next week?). Also, the book they found in the bag was a foreign language version of Catch 22...said so on the cover. So maybe they're damned if they do and damned if they don't...they're just damned. Shoots the hell out of my alternate reality/rhelm of infinite possibility theory, maybe, and the time thing, but I still think we're going to find out all of this applies...somehow.
Naomi is definitely not an other by slone13	Apr 27th, 2007 08:52:35 AM
Nor is she in cahoots with them. And she wasn't communicating with Mikhail in another language so Desmond and the rest wouldn't know. She was sent by Penny to find Desmond. It really is that simple. End of story. All doubters will have this proven to them next week.
The Desmond & Penny Picture by NetProphet	Apr 27th, 2007 09:04:30 AM
That Naomi had a copy of the picture makes it pretty clear she is working for Penny. When you send somebody out on a search for someone, you usually give them a recent photo. By the way, while Des and Penny broke up on the street shortly after the photo was taken, it doesn't mean they immediately broke off all contact at that instant. THEY LIVED TOGETHER. They had to sort out their stuff, split up the Cd's, etc. Penny probably asked to make a copy of their last picture together (which most people can do at home these days on their all-in-one scanner/photo printers).
The Desmond & Penny Picture by NetProphet	Apr 27th, 2007 09:04:34 AM
That Naomi had a copy of the picture makes it pretty clear she is working for Penny. When you send somebody out on a search for someone, you usually give them a recent photo. By the way, while Des and Penny broke up on the street shortly after the photo was taken, it doesn't mean they immediately broke off all contact at that instant. THEY LIVED TOGETHER. They had to sort out their stuff, split up the Cd's, etc. Penny probably asked to make a copy of their last picture together (which most people can do at home these days on their all-in-one scanner/photo printers).
I'm pretty certain of the following: by CorpseRide	Apr 27th, 2007 09:27:19 AM
1. Naomi works for Penny. 2. Naomi is not in cahoots with the Others, nor was deliberately communicating with Mikhail only. 3. The plane/bodies thing is not set up by the Others. It is to do with the strange scientific phenomona, bordering on magic, associated with the island. They really did find a dead Jack, a dead Kate, etc etc. 4. Mikhail didn't fake his death. He really did almost die from the sonic barrier. The island healed him. My question is: why does he still only have one eye? Also, I'm looking forward to the ep in 2 weeks where we meet Marvin Candle and see him lose his arm (amoung Other things)(see what I did there?)
Hate to beat a dead horse CorpseRide by NetProphet	Apr 27th, 2007 09:42:04 AM
but as set forth in my earlier posts, there is no way they could have recovered anything other than miscellaneous wreckage and some of the bodies from 815. There will be no dead doppelgangers, although I suppose it would be cool if the Others dug up Boone (not Shannon because of the gun wound), the Marshall, etc. and put them afloat.
"Let's remember the book by Gary Tr(o)udeau" by Fount of Useless Info	Apr 27th, 2007 10:06:22 AM
Was it a collection of Doonesbury strips?
A wreck 4 miles down? by Fount of Useless Info	Apr 27th, 2007 10:08:15 AM
Nothing would have been recovered, certainly not the bodies of all the passengers. This is (a) a foiler, (b) a really bad idea by the writers, (c) a fake report to stop the search. Not sure which yet.
Jacob is Andre the Giant in a burning cloak by Fount of Useless Info	Apr 27th, 2007 10:13:32 AM
He even predicted the result of the crash years ago..."There will be no soovivoos!"
See... by rbrog77	Apr 27th, 2007 10:40:37 AM
...told you I misspeled it. Gary Troupe, right?
Sun looks at Dharma Logo on Door by MontyPigeon	Apr 27th, 2007 10:53:59 AM
Asks questions about everything else regarding Dharma but leaves out the really important thing - Who are Dharma? These are the thickest bunch of castaways to have lived. Everybody is eating stuff with the Dharma Logo on but stil no questions thrown Juliettes way? They probably all deserve to die on that Island for being ignorant to what is around them. Instead of trying to find out answers, they play table tennis.
Hey NetProphet by CorpseRide	Apr 27th, 2007 11:06:37 AM
I hear what you're saying, but I'm not so sure... by your reckoning, some jet airliner wreckage and bodies were found... so either a) part of the airliner and some of the passengers ended up in a 4 mile deep trench, some way away, despite most ending up on the island, and all the replays indicating the plane only ended up in two parts, or b) what they found was some other airliner and body parts, smushed beyond recognition. Now the problem with (b) is that wouldn't they notice if an airliner whose parts were hard to distinguish from the 815's parts went missing? Why would they assume it was the 815 and not that other missing jet? Also, I doubt that the Others could rig a fake plane crash, esp as the real one took them by surprise. Get some 747 parts, with Oceanic livery, and some body parts, and put them in a 4mile deep trench? Arrange all that in the 60 or so days from the crash to the depolarisation? Sounds unlikely. My conclusion is that there is some kind of alternate timeline action, and the island functions as a sort of junction box for moving from one to another.
CorpseRide by Leopold Scotch	Apr 27th, 2007 11:12:05 AM
As I've said many times above, I also have a problem with this faked crash/faked report scenario for the reasons you gave just now. I don't fully agree with your theory of what the island is, but all we know about the plane crash is that it was found with no survivors and apparently "everybody died". I don't understand why everyone is so quick to assume that this means the others set up a fake crash or even made a fake report. It won't be explained until the show explains it, and everyone is basing their theories on very little info. Which is why I haven't offered a theory regarding Naomi's revelation yet.
You know what MontyPigeon? by PwnedByStallone	Apr 27th, 2007 11:16:56 AM
SHUT THE FUCK UP! We already know, and we can assume everyone else on the island knows (as confirmed by Charlie even knowing who the fuck Patchy was), that the Others, when asked questions related to Dharma (or anything else for that matter) either SAY NOTHING or fucking LIE their asses off. And no questions thrown Juliettes way?! Is that a joke?! She's already been grilled by Sayid, Sawyer, Kate, and Sun! The only reason she's still alive or not being tortured by Sayid is because she's under Jack's supposed protection, and she used Claire's sickness and her disconcerting info on their past to get out of Sayid and Sawyer's trap. SO FUCKING LET. THAT. SHIT. GO!
Well, that's true. by CorpseRide	Apr 27th, 2007 11:19:55 AM
But theories are fun! :-D And the timeline thing links into various hints etc from earlier, especially the ludicrously high coincidence rate, followed by Desmond's time travelling and his guide's mention of "course correction". I mean, the producers have confirmed that was no hallucination, he really did travel in time... and it's only a short hop from allowing time travel in your universe to allowing alternate timelines and so forth. If I were a betting man I'd place 5 English pounds on the entire 815 and all its contents being duplicated via some quantum alternate reality effect.... Schrodingers cat style. Only you can somehow ride a helicopter from the dead cat to the live one. :-D
That's one big pussy by Leopold Scotch	Apr 27th, 2007 11:21:53 AM
Rrowwrr.
I'm with you Pwned by Fount of Useless Info	Apr 27th, 2007 11:29:19 AM
They have been asking plenty of questions. At some point, they may not ask more because it just doesn't do any good. It's like the people asking why Sun would go with Juliet in the middle of the night. They don't trust her, but at the same time, the ruse with being left behind and saving Claire worked perfectly. The thing that I don't know why Juliet (or even Jack) have not mentioned is that she went willingly (not realizing where though) but has been kept as what is basically a prisoner for over 3 years. That would have to get some sort of sympathy wouldn't it? (Maybe pointing a gun at Kate to stop Sawyer reduces the amount of sympathy, though.)
Picture of the Oracle on monks desk by Bibo	Apr 27th, 2007 11:59:45 AM
Dunno if this has been mentioned yet. Was that the "oracle" from Desmond's flashback on the monk's desk?
seems Penny likes Brazilians by Bibo	Apr 27th, 2007 12:03:42 PM
if you know what I mean
Fount by PwnedByStallone	Apr 27th, 2007 12:10:17 PM
Jack doesn't know about Juliet's status with the Others but as for Juliet's saying something, ii would get her sympathy but it wouldn't get her off the island which she desperately wants and feels would be at risk if she told them anything. I hear what you are saying though. She or Kate or Sawyer could also mention that she blew away one of her own (Pickett) so they could escape as well.
Just throwing a bit of REALITY in there by MontyPigeon	Apr 27th, 2007 12:18:08 PM
It can't be all Shark Jumping, it has to stop the jumping soon.
Bibo by rbrog77	Apr 27th, 2007 12:44:38 PM
Yes
4 toes thing by Bibo	Apr 27th, 2007 12:59:21 PM
I keep wondering about the numbers in relation to the 4 toes thing. Like, if we all had 8 fingers and 8 toes our whole perspective on math would be based on 8s, not 10s. I wonder what that would do to THE NUMBERS...if anything.
4 toes, 8 toes, 12 toes a $ by rbrog77	Apr 27th, 2007 01:10:52 PM
4 8 15 16 23 42 - 1 foot has 4 toes, 2 feet 8, 2 people 16, 2 people when 1 has a toe shot off 15, those last 2 people and 1 more person 23, 5 people with a 2 toed sloth = 42
more toes by rbrog77	Apr 27th, 2007 01:12:25 PM
If Imus showed up would they be napped headed toes?
cr@p by rbrog77	Apr 27th, 2007 01:13:23 PM
nappy, of course...cr@p.
If the numbers are in "Base 8"... by CorpseRide	Apr 27th, 2007 01:43:11 PM
Then 4, 8, 16, 23, 42 converted into Base 10 would give: 4, 8, 14, 19, 34 Ok, that was pointless. If the basic set of numbers is in Base 10, and we convert them the other way, into Base 8, we get: 4, 10, 20, 27, 52. Ah, maths.
question by Shigeru	Apr 27th, 2007 01:48:51 PM
at the end of season 2, the two guys at the listening station... were they speaking portugese or spanish?
One thing I really liked about this episode? by Novaman5000	Apr 27th, 2007 01:49:54 PM
I think the writers once and for all shut up the "the losties never talk to eachother!" bullshit argument that some people have. Two different characters made references to two different events that they were TOLD about after they happened. Sun and Charlie. That's the writers shutting down that argument. I don't buy that 4 mile trench thing, but we'll see. And again, until I see a report saying Jack Sherpard's body has been found, I don't think "no survivors" means "every single body has been accounted for and they're dead"
Shigeru- Portugese by Novaman5000	Apr 27th, 2007 01:51:26 PM
With a brazilian accent.
Pwned by Fount of Useless Info	Apr 27th, 2007 01:52:40 PM
Jack does know about Juliet. Perhaps not details, but remember when she asked him to go back and save Ben, Jack asked her what Ben said, and she told him that she had been on the island for 3 years X months, Y days, and that if she got Jack to save him, he would finally let her leave. Jack knows she's been there for a long time and that she wants to leave. cf. also his comment about her face when the sub went boom...Oh crap, I probably just started another billion post argument about "Locke blew up the sub" "Nuh-uh, he moved the sub." "You're both wrong. Locke sent the sub into the 5th dimension where the smoke monster that is posing as his dad lives."
Thank you, that's what I thought by Shigeru	Apr 27th, 2007 01:54:12 PM
But my latin friend just got in a fight with me saying it was Spanish cause he could understand it.
Novaman by Fount of Useless Info	Apr 27th, 2007 01:54:58 PM
What if they found Kate or Sawyer's body? That wouldn't convince you? Ok, fine, I knew what you meant, and I agree with you.
At least the discussion of the listening station guys by Fount of Useless Info	Apr 27th, 2007 01:56:51 PM
is about what language they were speaking and not whether one of them was played by Matthew Fox, like the never ending discussion last season.
so my point is by Shigeru	Apr 27th, 2007 01:57:00 PM
my friend is retarded
well portuguese and spanish are so similar that often by Novaman5000	Apr 27th, 2007 02:01:36 PM
spanish people can understand portuguese, and vice versa. Also, I'm expecting Jack to totally know what Juliet is up to. He's going to call her out in the finale I'm betting.
Fount by Shigeru	Apr 27th, 2007 02:03:13 PM
holy crap there was actually a debate about that? that's dumb. also, regarding how long Juliette's been on the island, wasn't there somebody who said they did the math and the date she left was 9/11?
Actually after he said that, I said to him: by Shigeru	Apr 27th, 2007 02:06:34 PM
"Well because portuguese is like 1/2 spanish and 1/2 french maybe they were just using the spanish part?". at which point he got really offended lol. When Jack finds out and/or confront Juliet about her traitorous ways, it will be the ULTIMATE JACKFACE!
Wouldn't it be fuckin crazy if Jack confronted Juliet by Novaman5000	Apr 27th, 2007 02:12:53 PM
and she KILLED HIM?? Just shot that bastard right in the gut. That'd be crazy.
Fount. by PwnedByStallone	Apr 27th, 2007 02:17:11 PM
Right. I stand corrected. That was the early mini-season. Seems like it has been forever since that happened
Pwned by Fount of Useless Info	Apr 27th, 2007 02:34:30 PM
At this point, it seems like forever since Wednesday's episode aired.
Jump my cock. by PwnedByStallone	Apr 27th, 2007 02:48:24 PM
For the love of all that is decent and good stop with the shark jumping bullshit. It's geting REALLY tiresome. Do any of you who say that even know what it means? It's a completely arbitrary phrase evented by two dipshit know-it-alls running some half-assed website. Now it's used by anyone who's personally not satisfied with a program. It's fucking obnoxious.
Spoiler-ish Conjecture by shellfishh	Apr 27th, 2007 04:10:54 PM
Someone (wish I remembered who to give proper credit) had the great thought that the island is a very long time in the future. Putting that together with this episode's "there were no survivors".... Imagine a dying race that can't breed. They pluck a few dozen good-as-dead people out of a plane crash in the past and bring them to help repopulate the future. Except...there's something on the island that's pretty fucking judgemental....Mr. Smokey. So, it's either git right with Jesus or taste the fist of Smokey, one way or another. Nikki and Paolo were bitches right up to the end and look what happened to them.
And my point was.....? by shellfishh	Apr 27th, 2007 04:13:19 PM
I guess my point, which I forgot to type, was that maybe the wreckage on the island was the fake wreckage, and the wreckage found in the sea was the real plane.
Pwned, jumped the shark by MontyPigeon	Apr 27th, 2007 04:29:55 PM
Is associated with The Howard Stern Show. Its where the phrase was first heard. Then the site was set up, that you speak about. To Jump Your Cock would be a tiny feat, so it doesn't have quite the brilliance of Jumping The Shark.
the beach wreckage being faked... by Novaman5000	Apr 27th, 2007 05:12:21 PM
That'd be quite the feat, though i guess it could have worked. If it means that everyone on the beach was never on flight 815... but how could they remember getting on 815?? WHAT DOES IT MEAN!? If they could pull that mindfuck off without holes, I'd love them forever.
Jin ain't the papa by Big Goozoo	Apr 27th, 2007 08:42:51 PM
My two cents: Juliet lied to both Sun and Ben. Sun's dead boyfriend, good ol' baldy, is the baby daddy... When Sun lives through her pregnancy, Ben will think Juliet came up with the "cure" and let her back home. Or so Juliet thinks...
The Others Saw 815 Break Apart and Crash on the Island by NetProphet	Apr 27th, 2007 10:28:45 PM
As they watched the tail section and fuselage land on opposite sides, Goodwin and Ethan were dispatched to investigate by Ben. So, as you say Piltdown Joey, there is zero probability the wreckage on the island was faked. As has been discussed at length in some of the numerous prior postings (including mine) there is speculation that the others somehow created/moved wreckage to throw off any serach parties - leading Naomi to say "they found the plane, no survivors".
MontyPigeon by PwnedByStallone	Apr 27th, 2007 11:19:55 PM
God you're dumb. Those two guys were featured on Stern. That website was around before they were ever on Stern you fucking moron. Look it up.
MontyPigeon by PwnedByStallone	Apr 27th, 2007 11:19:59 PM
God you're dumb. Those two guys were featured on Stern. That website was around before they were ever on Stern you fucking moron. Look it up.
marvin candle = Jin's real father by tbransonlives	Apr 27th, 2007 11:49:18 PM
word
Dudes .... it's all nanotechnology, sheesh..... by rotary_phone	Apr 28th, 2007 12:46:42 AM
Is it not one of the original theories for the show that most of the unexplained stuff can be explained by everyone and everything being permeated with billions of little nanobot machines, huh? (Sigh.. yes like Micheal Crichton's Prey, and a bunch of other sf too.) If the whole world and the island and the characters had been filled with nanobots for years before they got to the island, (which could affect their bodies, read their minds, make them do things, see things, arrange for things to happen, lotteries to be won, etc) don't you think that all the losties may have been manipulated in some way so that they would get on that plane, so they would go to the island? (for some purpose probably revealed in the final season.) Locke can walk probably because of little machines relaying the nerve signals in his spine, Ben isn't healed maybe because the island doesn't like him, not like it likes Locke(er... alliteration not intended). Locke couldn't walk after that flash of light because that was an EMP (Electro-magnetic pulse) that knocked out/killed the nanomachines in his body. They then later returned and resumed relaying nerve signals etc., since the whole island wasn't comlpetely sterilised. Maybe even Desmond's "future seeing" is just the machines showing him what they're about to "cause to happen". You may wonder why he sees the future in exactly the way that it later happens in real time as shown to the audience. Maybe that's just because the machines can make "some" things happen in precisely the way they want and then show him just those small moments they intend to cause so that he believes he can see the actual future. Perhaps some of the bots have Charlie on their list for elimination, and maybe there are other nanobots/things that don't like that and are showing him the future... I don't know - maybe. I think it would be a satisfying enough way for the show to turn out if the miracle/sci-fi/coincidence stuff could be mostly explained by nanomachines. Of course, some sh*t just happens, but I think that on Lost, only 50% of what happens to the characters is the normal random crazy life stuff. The rest has probably been manipulated and arranged for them, which would bring all of the events in the show into some coherent whole. Which of course I hope happens. In any case, I think nanobots are a much better sf conceit than "It was all an alternate reality/VR/purgatory/afterlife /time-travel/clones/aliens" dumbass explanation. I'd really like being pleasantly suprised by how well the show keeps turning out, like I am with BSG - and not dissapointed like I was with Alias in its last season.
rotary by PwnedByStallone	Apr 28th, 2007 11:04:46 AM
sorry you wrote that all for no reason but the writers and producers have been saying it's not nano tech since the first season.
Plus by Thunderbolt Ross	Apr 29th, 2007 11:40:40 AM
Even if it was nanotechnology, that isn't even close to a bottom-line "answer" ... it's just a means, it doesn't explain in any way what the hell is going on, or why.
Future Foes and Four Toes... by GOB Adama	Apr 30th, 2007 09:17:13 AM
Granted, this is T.V. so none of this is hard fact... But wouldn't it be a bit of an extra-stretch (even for 'Lost') to have a race of future humans that have evolved to the point of losing a toe, built a statue representing one of thier 4-toed folk, enough time passes that it falls into ruin (presumably), and yet in all other ways they look and (more importantly) ACT like current day humans enough to pass? I dunno. I mean, even as much as 500 or even 1000 years I might be able to see it, but it would take a LOT longer than that to lose a toe due to evolution, particularly in an environment where humanity can exert a significant amount of control. I mean, it's not like we challenge our feet like we used to in the old days.
What happened to the Season 3 post from Monday? by RichardS	May 16th, 2007 01:17:55 PM
There was a spoiler about season 3 yesterday, now I can't find it.

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