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By bet is on the Mindreader and his blond cop
by zekmoe
Apr 23rd, 2007
05:47:01 AM
to be the ones to get the hatchet. I almost forgot this show was coming back.
Sounds Awesome.
by Bones
Apr 23rd, 2007
05:47:24 AM
Can't wait.
Oh Yeah...THIRD...
by Bones
Apr 23rd, 2007
05:47:55 AM
I am never up this early.
finally
by Mr_X
Apr 23rd, 2007
05:54:17 AM
new heroes! one of the best things on tv ( and to download)
finally
by Mr_X
Apr 23rd, 2007
05:54:18 AM
new heroes! one of the best things on tv ( and to download)
BSG and HEROES 4 Life
by jedimast3r
Apr 23rd, 2007
06:03:52 AM
Great fucking shows. Too bad 24 is on its way out.
just remember i am Peter Petrelli
by Mr_X
Apr 23rd, 2007
06:09:12 AM
you losers can be one of the other characters.. i said it first so it makes it true.
Finally, x 1,0000000000000
by Pennsy
Apr 23rd, 2007
06:24:24 AM
Heroes is back. DVR for you, 24.
Sylar Vs. Peter
by amaysingstories
Apr 23rd, 2007
06:25:08 AM
That kinda sucks. I was really hoping we would see a battle royale this week. If the spoilerage is right, something must intervene with what was going down last time. Can you say "scar" though? When is this gonna happen!?!
Matt Parkman wasn't in the first episode
by ElPaw
Apr 23rd, 2007
06:46:59 AM
Unless you count the double-length DVD preair. So it's not likely him.
definately time for..
by TimMighty
Apr 23rd, 2007
07:05:03 AM
..some action. I mean..fighting or ..flying ...stuff , people with superpowers do from time to time. Im serious ..everytime something cool is about to happen there is a cut to the scene of blondHulkGirl crying at the mirror. I had high hopes for the Peter(someone called him hairboy once...funny) and sylar fight but...youll see *cut* and we got zeroActingTalent Kid going to an ATM.
zekmoe: weren't they intro'd in Episode 2 or 3?
by FlipPA
Apr 23rd, 2007
07:36:05 AM
Herc says its two characters around since the first episode. I'm pretty sure Parkman & Clea Duvall didn't pop up 'til Episode 2...

I'm psyched its back, it has been too long. Although Lost has been kicking ass again lately, which is nice. With HBO running out of good shows, its nice we'll still have BSG/Heroes/Lost for a little while.

Star80(tm) gets all badass!
by biggles2_22
Apr 23rd, 2007
07:47:33 AM
Sweet. I love it when Eric Roberts transitions from creepy to creepy-badass!
whisper "Kill the Cop, Save the Show"
by biggles2_22
Apr 23rd, 2007
07:54:33 AM
Seriously. One of my least favorite characters (next to his female FBI partner). If not killing him, at least make him evil (and add a spine). Thanks!
Kill the Cop, Save the Show
by ZoeFan
Apr 23rd, 2007
08:08:32 AM
+1
the greatness is back mofos!!!
by mr ahole ramirez
Apr 23rd, 2007
08:13:35 AM
...subject says it all...
by the way...
by mr ahole ramirez
Apr 23rd, 2007
08:31:05 AM
...I dont think we'll have a drug addict on the show after tonights episode...
Does Mohinder count?
by wetzello
Apr 23rd, 2007
08:35:27 AM
He did get replaced as narrator...
clues in the promo's
by prime666
Apr 23rd, 2007
08:40:51 AM
aint it obvious? Sylars got Issacs address and so he will b one of the deaths and the other will be peter who wont stay dead for long. time will tell
finally chrth and I will have something to do
by BadMrWonka
Apr 23rd, 2007
09:02:40 AM
I've been posting in the Vacancy talkback teaching kiddos about puns. thank god Heroes is back!
Good to have you back.
by Fount of Useless Info
Apr 23rd, 2007
09:42:45 AM
Heroes, we've missed you.

discussion of the invisotext coming up in a second, so if you don't want to know spoilers don't look.

I'm warning you.

Last warning.

Ok, so if Peter dies, but we can pretty much assume he will be back, how does he come back? He can heal, but I assume that like Claire his brain is vital to that process. If Sylar follows his typical M.O. and removes (eats?) the brain, how can Peter come back? (Also, if he can heal, why would Peter have a scar later?) Future Hiro has already established that Peter's not going to die, so we know that's not even an option. I don't know the answer to any of these questions for sure, but what I definitely know is that I'm glad the show is back.

Herc, Claude should be "DOCTOR Invisible"...
by SpyGuy
Apr 23rd, 2007
09:52:49 AM
Christopher Eccleston was the Doctor, after all, so it seems only fitting. And shouldn't it be "Kill Nikki, D.L. and Micah and save the show"? Those three are waaaaaay more annoying than Parkman.
Come on Heroes writers, get a move on...
by CorpseRide
Apr 23rd, 2007
09:59:17 AM
You've only got a year, maybe 18 months, until Watchmen comes out. Gotta lay claim to those second-hand plot points QUICKLY. Remember, speed => the illusion of originality.
Destroy Yeltzen, Save Manhatten!
by biggles2_22
Apr 23rd, 2007
10:16:35 AM
His body, loaded with super-powered triple-filtered vodka, is the REAL reason that New York goes boom on this show. See cookylamoo? THAT is how you make a topic relevant to the TB!!
So we know Issac dies from the previews...
by Russman
Apr 23rd, 2007
10:39:55 AM
but who else? Rumor has it that useless Simone is still alive.
PETER is not Dead...
by Russman
Apr 23rd, 2007
10:43:26 AM
come on folks. He's the heart of the show right now.
I will not read any other posts until after the episode
by Onomaki Forp
Apr 23rd, 2007
10:50:37 AM
...airs in the USA! Then I will post spoilers for those in Central, Mountain, and Pacific time zones.
My previous post...
by Onomaki Forp
Apr 23rd, 2007
10:52:12 AM
...was the first I've posted at AICN since Captain America died.
And the winner of the "I Don't Care" Award is...
by biggles2_22
Apr 23rd, 2007
10:54:59 AM
Onomaki Forp
Peter
by jwardlow
Apr 23rd, 2007
10:57:56 AM
Yeah, like Fount of Useless Info said... the promos make it look like Peter dies, but, shouldn't he be able to use Claire's healing powers to cover anything except Sylar going zombie on him? It seems like it would be hard to talk after your brain was eaten. Besides, since Peter seems to be a Hero-chameleon, he should be able to take Sylar. Maybe he can't emulate 3rd-party powers?
A Nam flashback for a powerful character, you say?
by CorpseRide
Apr 23rd, 2007
11:20:56 AM
....
Shit! I hate spoilers!
by Mr. Profit
Apr 23rd, 2007
11:25:58 AM
I shouldn't have read the recap, but it's too late. I am now getting the feeling Linderman will heal Peter during the final 5 mins of the ep if Peter is in fact "killed" by Syler. Ah well, I can always act surprised in front of my Brother when we watch tonight.
Yeah, Linderman heals people
by Fount of Useless Info
Apr 23rd, 2007
11:26:28 AM
It was in the online comic (where he was with Nathan's daddy who had to kill a little girl who could make crops grow), and also was hinted at by spoiler sites like tvguide's askausiello who kept comparing Linderman to Ben Hawkins from Carnivale.
Zach won't be back
by Horcrux
Apr 23rd, 2007
11:46:18 AM
The actor's manager pulled him from the show when it seemed they were going to make the character gay.
Sorry Jack...
by skydemon
Apr 23rd, 2007
12:27:58 PM
Your taking the back seat tonight. HEROES RULES!!
zach won't be back
by 300 monkeys
Apr 23rd, 2007
12:29:09 PM
according to heroestheseries .com because Thomas Dekker has been cast as young John Connors in the Terminator "Sarah Connor Chronicles" pilot. no mention of homophobic managers.
anyone reading the comic
by oisin5199
Apr 23rd, 2007
12:32:57 PM
where we get to see what Linderman's past is with the Petrelli's father? Interesting.
This show has seen vast
by veritasses
Apr 23rd, 2007
12:52:58 PM
improvements since it first premiered. Kudos to the writers, producers. It's easily #1 in it's time slot. I'll get around to watching 24 when I find some time. In that regard, I'm glad 24 made the choice so easy to make. (But I'm still rooting for it to redeem itself next season)
I can't read any of this!
by MisterE
Apr 23rd, 2007
01:17:06 PM
DAMMIT!
I'm setting the line at 3:1.
by jimbojones123
Apr 23rd, 2007
01:19:40 PM
There will be a 3:1 ratio in post count for Heros and 24. Guess which is the 3?
"You Look Different Without Your Scar"
by Vaebn
Apr 23rd, 2007
01:43:11 PM
It's what Future Hiro said to Peter when they met on the subway. Hiro will meet Peter again, except Peter will have a scar -- possibly from Sylar's attempt to scoop out his brain? Either way, Hiro can't meet him if Peter's dead. So ... yeah, it's clearly intended that we know Peter isn't staying dead.
ACK! ABOVE IS A SPOILER!
by Vaebn
Apr 23rd, 2007
01:43:56 PM
Sorry to anyone who was trying to remain spoiler free! :(
Wait, who is the second death again? -Possible Spoiler-
by kdoc13
Apr 23rd, 2007
01:44:02 PM
I got lost somewhere in the talkback, first it was Mohinder because there is new narration or is it Issac because of the preview? I thought the dead Issac was future Issac. Doesn't he get the Sue Storm energy power or something? So wouldn't it be Mohinder who dies?
Peter
by Steve_Dooku
Apr 23rd, 2007
01:57:43 PM
Peter met Hiro on the subway, no scar. Peter absorbs other's power to be able to use. Peter would be able to freeze time during his run in with Sylar, no? There are tons of things he can do to win against him.
Mark my words people
by PotSmokinAlien
Apr 23rd, 2007
02:01:48 PM
here's the deal with linderman, imo: it isn't that he can control future events. its that he can see all of time. hes just telling people what's going to happen, ie nathan would have wound up as prez with or without linderman-- linderman just takes advantage of people by making them believe he can control the outcome of their lives. apologies if this has been said before, dont wanna seem like im ripping someone else off... otherwise this is a PSA original
Zach
by Horcrux
Apr 23rd, 2007
02:10:17 PM
http://tinyurl.com/ypmu4q
SYLAR IS JACOB!!!!
by PwnedByStallone
Apr 23rd, 2007
02:17:21 PM
Wait....I'm confused.
Peter has Hiro's powers
by Leopold Scotch
Apr 23rd, 2007
02:24:41 PM
But he doesn't know yet. The thing about Peter is that he's not fully aware of all his powers yet, but maybe if he can harness Sylar's power, he'll figure out how everything works and he'll be able to pull his powers out whenever he wants, like Sylar. The reason Sylar can do this is because he knows it all works.

Now I'm disappearing until tomorrow because I've already read two major spoilers just by coming to these talkbacks (I avoided invisiotext)... Dammit.
Hey Heroes fans
by isildur29
Apr 23rd, 2007
03:06:56 PM
I have never trolled your TB like most of you trolled during the hiatus because I had never seen an episode of Heroes BUT I just started watching 5 days ago and I'm 10 episodes in...You guys have a good show
so excited
by BLWiseass
Apr 23rd, 2007
03:12:46 PM
its been a long 7 weeks
Peter and Sylar possible spoiler speculation
by Autoclave
Apr 23rd, 2007
03:17:44 PM
Remember that Sylar seemed to have the ability to feign death while in custody at primatech paper. Maybe that was the power he got from frozen guy. So maybe Peter is using that power in that preview scene with his mother. He's only mostly dead. Oh and there is a copy of "episode 19" on BT right now with the label NoTV. It won't play and comes with a file codec.exe which is a trojan horse.
Fuck Watchmen
by Toby___Wong
Apr 23rd, 2007
03:25:20 PM
Watchmen is overrated and the only thing Alan Moore wrote well was Swamp Thing.
Thanks, isildur29
by biggles2_22
Apr 23rd, 2007
03:40:34 PM
We work hard to make sure that the producers of Heroes know exactly how to shape and mold the show in order to make it more appealing to our TB readers. We only wish the producers for 24 had read the AICN TB on 24 before the current season went into production. (oh well) Thanks for reading our TB and stay tuned for 5/2/07's exciting TB! Our topic will be Dark Claire (Do the curtains match the carpet?).
Assuming Sylar stays in New York
by Ironmuskrat
Apr 23rd, 2007
03:46:56 PM
His list of possible victims is rather small. The obvious choices are Peter and Mohinder since Sylar was in the process of tearing them up in the last episode. Issac would be another good candidate for head scooping. Claire is out and Mr. Invisible wasn't in the first episode(that we could see anyway). I don't believe the Haitian was in the first episode. So my guess for Sylar brain scooping is Peter and Issac. This is assuming that no other Heroes from the first episode show up in New York, but then again our Heroes have show a quirky ability to seemingly travel thousands of miles in a matter of hours before.
Get rid of the Schizo girl/Micah characters
by jimmy_009
Apr 23rd, 2007
04:00:19 PM
That whole story is boring as hell. And also kill off Mohender. That dude can't act for s---. The rest of the show is golden.
Please, it's super obvious
by underscore_only
Apr 23rd, 2007
04:11:12 PM
who the two are. Peter and Mohinder. Sylar kills them. Hiro will meet Future Hiro and Future Hiro will tell him they need Peter or whatever, Hiro will go back in time and save Peter/Mohinder.
PotSmokinAlien - the comix tell us lindermann's power
by Bunger!
Apr 23rd, 2007
04:13:24 PM
go check out www.nbc.com/heroes and read the online graphic novels; they take too long to download, but they are well worth reading for any heroes afficianado... and the most recent series of 6 ("War Buddies") tells us who Linderman is, and what his power is, and hints at how he is tied into the Petrelli situation...
oh, and...
by Bunger!
Apr 23rd, 2007
04:15:00 PM
... Linderman's power has nothing to do with seeing the future.
OMG
by leesheri
Apr 23rd, 2007
04:34:39 PM
I actually forgot. Thank goodness for you guys.
...um...
by mr ahole ramirez
Apr 23rd, 2007
04:49:42 PM
...SPOILER QUESTION...

...defkj bfeljbfejf....rgfej bf....has anyone seen the pic of Isaac and Sylar chattin in his studio apt? im pretty sure I saw a dead Isaac in other photos also...

The scar
by Iron Giant
Apr 23rd, 2007
05:21:01 PM
I caught a Heroes feature on one of those crap entertainment shows (ET or whatever)and they flashed a pic of Milo V. on set. He had a monster scar on his face that originated above his left eye and ended on his lower right cheek. Not your "classic" Sylar-based brain-scooping injury, but that doesn't mean it wasn't a gift from the S-man. Either way, I guess it means Peter will be around at some later date lookin' all fuglified.
Nuts
by PotSmokinAlien
Apr 23rd, 2007
05:21:35 PM
i will take your word that the comic provides insight/spoilers. i like to wait til the show to find out reveals. i am disappointed that i'm not right, can't you see it? "i never made you president, nathan: you did it all yourself." sorta in keeping with the nerd-empowerment leanings of the series. oh well, just dont make him create emails with his mind and i will be satisfied
May i also say
by PotSmokinAlien
Apr 23rd, 2007
05:22:56 PM
how motherfucking psyched i am for this show to be back on the air?
Ahhhhh
by david19
Apr 23rd, 2007
05:26:46 PM
At last. I practically had a frikkin coronary when I found out that I would have to wait over a month for this to come back on. My feeling was that Peter was getting too powerful for the show but it looks like they may have plans for him other then dying at the end of the season.
I saw some of the Heroes marathon on Thurs.
by underscore_only
Apr 23rd, 2007
05:31:33 PM
And they showed an extended preview for the next few episodes(to a crappy Nickleback song) and they DEFINITELY showed Peter, alive, in a black Neo-ish suit, gnarly ass scar on his left cheek, kicking peoples asses in a hallway and making out with who I thought was Niki.
Nice, I'm SOOO glad this show's back
by underscore_only
Apr 23rd, 2007
05:43:48 PM
Now I can finish out Lost, 24, and Heroes non-stop.
end of season
by PotSmokinAlien
Apr 23rd, 2007
05:50:54 PM
any more word on whether theres gonna be all new heroes next season or what? i had been kind of expecting that theyd all join up justice league style at the end of s1 and then be a team in s2, called the '9th wonders' since that's what mr. isaac called his book. butting heads etc, while going up against a new foe or group of organized foes led by sylar. i mean wouldnt that be cooler than a bunch of new dipshits going through the same angsty stuff as in the start of s1?
Future Hiro...
by david19
Apr 23rd, 2007
05:59:57 PM
will be gone after this season. At first I was thinkin it would be interesting to see him grow into slick-haired sword dude, but now i realize, with the death of Isaac and the inevitable prevention of the bomb, the future will change, and that incarnation of Future Hiro will never exist.

At the beginning of the show I was wary abouut Isaacs power, because to me it presented too many writing hurdles, but if he dies, ah well! Heck, as much as I dig Hiro, his power is a bit too much too. Both Peter and Hiro at some point either need to die or get de-powered. I dont want either of them to die, but when you are dealing with someone who can be anywhere or anytime he wants, and someone who has the potential of having everyones powers without limit, you either get a) the annoying plot device of "you cant change the past" (which they used once already to my annoyance with Charlie) or b)Peter becoming the ultimate villain culminating in him having a Doc Ock moment, realizing the error of his ways then sacrificing himself in a final heroic action.

I'm sure it will still be a fun ride, but my hope is that the writers will find another more original avenue to take. So far this show has delivered, and if all goes well, a movie will come at some point!

This show is soooo overrated
by Overworkedanunderfucked
Apr 23rd, 2007
06:39:24 PM
I am not a hater. I like this show. "Company man" was damn fine television and one of the best episode of any show this season. Still, the only interesting characters to me are the Cheerleader, her dad, and the cop who can read minds. Everyone else is either dull or blandly acted.
youre not alone over/under
by PotSmokinAlien
Apr 23rd, 2007
07:48:35 PM
this shows far from perfect, thats for damn sure-- when 1/2 the characters make you go 'aw, this shit again' there is something wrong. whats great about it though, is that it is an hourlong that has the luxury of learning the lessons of what drags hourlongs down and it keeps moving like a fucking bullet train, so you dont have to wait that long for an interesting thing to happen. still love the fucking thing, but yeah it's got some flaws.
"Heroesverse".
by Pennsy
Apr 23rd, 2007
07:57:51 PM
Almost as nice a ring as Buffyverse. :)
Here we go...
by Pennsy
Apr 23rd, 2007
08:00:07 PM
Don't fall for it, HRG Guy...
by Pennsy
Apr 23rd, 2007
08:02:09 PM
And he didn't.
by Pennsy
Apr 23rd, 2007
08:04:07 PM
Damn straight, Missy-terio. Won't be fooled again. :D
Whoa...
by Pennsy
Apr 23rd, 2007
08:05:31 PM
First of many in the next 55 minutes.
linderman = narrator
by bigpth
Apr 23rd, 2007
08:08:46 PM
linderman = narrator
Uh, aren't Tim Kring and co. forgetting something?
by Pennsy
Apr 23rd, 2007
08:11:26 PM
Hmmm? Like a guy pinned to the ceiling and another getting a very bad haircut??
holy crap
by bigpth
Apr 23rd, 2007
08:12:28 PM
he IS evil!
wow linderman can heal
by majortom25
Apr 23rd, 2007
08:12:44 PM
We now know how peter will come back. Linderman can heal dead things.
and now is where the emo
by bigpth
Apr 23rd, 2007
08:15:01 PM
and now is where the emo bangs DIE!
Now, the main event...
by Pennsy
Apr 23rd, 2007
08:15:06 PM
oh SHIAT!!!!
by bigpth
Apr 23rd, 2007
08:16:01 PM
oh SHIAT!!!!
Sylar IS THE SHIT.
by Pennsy
Apr 23rd, 2007
08:17:31 PM
Yikes.
JEEBUS!
by bigpth
Apr 23rd, 2007
08:17:42 PM
JEEBUS!
Sylar DOWN AGAIN! Sylar DOWN AGAIN!
by Pennsy
Apr 23rd, 2007
08:19:32 PM
Sequels can be better. :D
and so it begins...
by Darth_Valinorean
Apr 23rd, 2007
08:20:04 PM
... Heroes begins to realize its true destiny of being the kick ass show that it can be!! Sylar vs Peter Round 1 !! F'n kick ass
Mama Petrelli - on the way to GRAVITAS DELUXE!
by Pennsy
Apr 23rd, 2007
08:22:26 PM
;)
now they need to just get
by bigpth
Apr 23rd, 2007
08:23:31 PM
now they need to just get Pedro to the Linderman-Ben Hawkins and Management...
Isaac is getting ready to a
by bigpth
Apr 23rd, 2007
08:26:03 PM
Isaac is getting ready to a trim...
beat it Mohinder!
by bigpth
Apr 23rd, 2007
08:28:16 PM
beat it Mohinder!
But Peter inherited ClaireBear's healing...
by Pennsy
Apr 23rd, 2007
08:29:15 PM
??
no way hes dead
by majortom25
Apr 23rd, 2007
08:29:28 PM
There is no way hes dead.We at least know that sylar didnt get peters power.
"Next" with Jessica Biel, this Friday.
by Pennsy
Apr 23rd, 2007
08:30:32 PM
If you think she's scrumptious in standard definition, then you should have seen her on Letterman last week. Gods have mercy. :D
Heroes = Watchmen
by Darth_Valinorean
Apr 23rd, 2007
08:31:13 PM
Who watches the Heroes?
EMP MAN!!! HOLY CRAP!
by bigpth
Apr 23rd, 2007
08:35:33 PM
EMP MAN!!! HOLY CRAP!
Radioactive Man: EMP Guy!
by Pennsy
Apr 23rd, 2007
08:35:48 PM
come on East coast... what'd ya say??
by Russman
Apr 23rd, 2007
08:36:54 PM
How is it so far?
as a big brother, let me say
by bigpth
Apr 23rd, 2007
08:38:01 PM
as a big brother, let me say that Nathan was awesome just then
Who needs Linderman....
by Pennsy
Apr 23rd, 2007
08:38:37 PM
When you've got CLAIREBEAR'S OWN PWOER OF !AWESOME!
pursued_by_bear
by fofo
Apr 23rd, 2007
08:38:41 PM
good call
and claire saves the day...
by bigpth
Apr 23rd, 2007
08:38:47 PM
and claire saves the day...
not dead
by majortom25
Apr 23rd, 2007
08:39:03 PM
Lol peters not dead :)
She heard you, pursued_by_bear
by Pennsy
Apr 23rd, 2007
08:39:29 PM
;)
must have stopped the signal
by majortom25
Apr 23rd, 2007
08:40:12 PM
The piece of glass must have severed the spinal cord therefore pausing the power. Thats cool.
Duck > Goat...
by bigpth
Apr 23rd, 2007
08:41:11 PM
Duck > Goat...
bigpth
by Darth_Valinorean
Apr 23rd, 2007
08:42:16 PM
yes - as an elder brother, Nathan exactly captured the moment!! This is a good start to the season
Mrs. Petrelli, would you mind coming back into the l
by Pennsy
Apr 23rd, 2007
08:43:10 PM
living room, please? Things have changed *slightly* in the past couple minutes.
"put it underneath your
by bigpth
Apr 23rd, 2007
08:43:13 PM
"put it underneath your pillow."
and now Nathan wants to blow
by bigpth
Apr 23rd, 2007
08:44:29 PM
and now Nathan wants to blow up NYC
the hiro cafe!
by bigpth
Apr 23rd, 2007
08:45:41 PM
the hiro cafe!
no Nathan no!!!
by Russman
Apr 23rd, 2007
08:45:54 PM
tell me it isn't so Bigpth!!!
"You're middle management!"
by Pennsy
Apr 23rd, 2007
08:46:37 PM
LMFAO.
Russman
by bigpth
Apr 23rd, 2007
08:47:03 PM
he looked like he is considering it when he found out Peter couldn't die...
WHAT THE FLYING FUCK???
by Pennsy
Apr 23rd, 2007
08:48:12 PM
Missy.
doh! shapeshifter!
by bigpth
Apr 23rd, 2007
08:48:14 PM
doh! shapeshifter!
pursued_by_bear
by bigpth
Apr 23rd, 2007
08:49:04 PM
indeed!
Mohinder....and STAR 80 GUY???
by Pennsy
Apr 23rd, 2007
08:49:11 PM
There's still 11 minutes to go...
isaac is about to bite it...
by bigpth
Apr 23rd, 2007
08:49:41 PM
isaac is about to bite it...
Anyone else think
by BeatsMe
Apr 23rd, 2007
08:50:51 PM
the writing is laughably bad in this one? "if i go nuclear, if I blow up new york...?"
crucifixtion by paint
by bigpth
Apr 23rd, 2007
08:50:51 PM
crucifixtion by paint brush...
bye bye Isaac....
by Russman
Apr 23rd, 2007
08:51:31 PM
knew this was coming... the previews ruined that.... but I don't know cuz I'm in Cali and it's only 652pm here! Ahhh!!!!
"You can't fight the future."
by Pennsy
Apr 23rd, 2007
08:52:01 PM
X-Files movie anyone?
Russman
by bigpth
Apr 23rd, 2007
08:52:31 PM
WTF are you doing here!? Go back! Go back while you can!
I dont mind the bad lines
by majortom25
Apr 23rd, 2007
08:54:02 PM
I dont mind the bad lines. I would probably say the same thing. Wouldnt sylar know the future now?
Well, there a full 7 minutes left...
by Pennsy
Apr 23rd, 2007
08:54:08 PM
Enough time for one or two more WTF's, yes?
I can't!!! I want to see it now!!!
by Russman
Apr 23rd, 2007
08:54:11 PM
sigh.... 2 more hours to go...
Nice Catch Pennsy on XFiles
by Darth_Valinorean
Apr 23rd, 2007
08:54:15 PM
this is a kick ass episode.. that shape shifting brunette is one heck of a bitch! At least the Micah/Jessica-Nikki bullcrap is not too bad ... and now its Hiro time to see Hiro see Hiro!! Bring it on!
GET THIS SHIT WEDDING CRASHERS OFFA MY TV!
by Pennsy
Apr 23rd, 2007
08:55:33 PM
Please.
and he got to keep the
by bigpth
Apr 23rd, 2007
08:56:15 PM
and he got to keep the painting...
Finally, father and daughter.
by Pennsy
Apr 23rd, 2007
08:56:56 PM
The Paper Company Website?
by kdoc13
Apr 23rd, 2007
08:57:14 PM
The website they keep hinting at www.primatechpaper.com is this like they did with Lost? Is there anything hidden there?
oh crap... stumbled right
by bigpth
Apr 23rd, 2007
09:01:05 PM
oh crap... stumbled right into their own lair?
*gasps*
by Pennsy
Apr 23rd, 2007
09:01:48 PM
Hiro - and FUTUREHIRO???
Mohinder 's super power...
by Ironmuskrat
Apr 23rd, 2007
09:01:52 PM
A superhuman level of naiveness when judging someone's character.
Hey! sponsered by Cisco...I
by bigpth
Apr 23rd, 2007
09:02:27 PM
Hey! sponsered by Cisco...I fix their crap for a living...
whoa .. next week looks lame
by Darth_Valinorean
Apr 23rd, 2007
09:02:50 PM
cool
by majortom25
Apr 23rd, 2007
09:02:50 PM
Thats cool hiro stumbles upon his fututre self :)
so...
by mr ahole ramirez
Apr 23rd, 2007
09:03:18 PM
...Isaac painted the 5 years into the future? cuz I seen a needle in the preview for next week and it was the last frame we saw in the comic...

PS: ...it was a cool episode...just feel a lil disorientated since I havent seen it so long...its GREAT to see plots movin on and some questions bein answered though...

not lame
by majortom25
Apr 23rd, 2007
09:03:50 PM
IT doesnt sound lame to me. That could be future hiro describing it to past hiro. Just liek this episode you cant trust the previews
So.....
by clockpolitiks
Apr 23rd, 2007
09:04:55 PM
I wonder what Isaac knows? Isaac knows how to kill sylar, and that is giving up his life and power to paint the future? HUH? Did he say that he painted something and then sent it away? I got really lost.
Next ep looks like a take-off of Days of Future Past
by Orbots Commander
Apr 23rd, 2007
09:05:33 PM
Hey, at least Heroes is copying from a good source.
STUPENDOUS.
by Pennsy
Apr 23rd, 2007
09:07:10 PM
Opposite of lame. This better THROTTLE 24 in the overnight ratings. Emmy nomination for best drama, anyone?
Hey, maybe in a future episode, HEROES
by Orbots Commander
Apr 23rd, 2007
09:12:35 PM
can ape some other classic comics storylines like 'For The Man Who Has Everything', the Spidey-Gwen Stacey-Captain Stacey storyline or for future sweeps episodes a year from now they can use the plot for Crisis on Infinite Earths...many possibilities.
Can we change the title to 'Hiro's'?
by Zarles
Apr 23rd, 2007
09:12:40 PM
As in 'Hiro's Adventures Without The Dead Weight of Practically Every Other Character?' The last five minutes were great, but everything leading up to it seemed unbearably slow.
Syler the addict
by Jesusquatch
Apr 23rd, 2007
09:18:24 PM
I believe Syler taking Isaac's power will be his downfall because just as he is an addict to powers he will become an addict to painting the future and will possibly cause him to obsess over the future more than his mission to aquire more power. It will lead to him becoming overconfident because of how he interprets a painting just like how Agent Smith was certain that he saw Mr Anderson's defeat by him.
I DVRed the ep. watched the promo in slomo. SAW SPOILER
by Zeframillen
Apr 23rd, 2007
09:28:08 PM
a tv screen. caption on the bottom "America Remembers." The right part of the screen: new york, devestated by a nuclear explosion. the left part of the screen: SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER * * * * * * * SYLAR!!! This tells me that it is SYLAR that causes the explosion in new york!!!!thoughts? anyone else see this?
The Voice
by jtishere
Apr 23rd, 2007
09:36:24 PM
When Peter faced off against Isaac he used a "shout" to push him to the wall. No one else in the series showed any such power.

In this episode, Mrs. Petrelli says to Claire when Claire says something disagreeable: "You get that mouth from me." My guess is that Mrs. Petrelli has a sonic voice.
Saving the world...
by Arguendo
Apr 23rd, 2007
09:37:15 PM
Linderman's goal was to "save the world." Maybe saving Claire actually allows NYC to be blown up -- as Linderman concocted it to. I mean ** spoiler** wouldn't you think that Linderman knew Angela Petrelli (them being co-heroes back in the day) and Angela could have told Linderman about Claire's powers? **spoiler** It doesn't seem like she's opposed to the whole Nathan becoming president thing -- wouldn't be surprised if she was already aware of the plot to blow-up NYC. I mean it may be pivotal for Nathan's election.
Also, perhaps Isaac painted something that he knew Hiro would find in 5 years time for Hiro to find. On the other hand, Sylar was painting pretty crappy -- I always imagined that Isaac's ability gave him an innate ability to draw. I mean, Peter didn't paint so poorly...
Or...
by Arguendo
Apr 23rd, 2007
09:41:58 PM
...Peter used his telekinesis (which we had established he has gotten from Sylar) while shouting -- multitasker, that Peter...

On that note, since he can perform telekinesis, this shows that Peter does have the ability to steal powers that Sylar has stolen, since Sylar wasn't naturally telekinetic. I think, however, that the power must be used in front of him, maybe? Not sure if Claire healed while Peter was there though...

In all seriousness, that's an interesting idea (though I hold out that he probably simply shouted and telekinetkicked Sylar).
i've heard the rumor, like most everyone else has
by Zeframillen
Apr 23rd, 2007
09:51:52 PM
that next season will feature all new "heroes." i sincerely hope that there are at least four characters from the first season that carry on to the second season: HRG, Peter, Sylar, Hiro. Nuff said. I'm drunk, by the way. Our office had a "Heroes" party, and i got TANKED shotgunning bottles of beer! didnt know that was possible until today! but luckily the juice is making the heroes theories muscles FLEX!!!!
What I love about this show is that it gets us all...
by anchorite
Apr 23rd, 2007
09:52:04 PM
to sit around and try to figure out what's going to happen next, what's happened in the past, and sometimes what's even happening now!

It's one of the only shows I've seen that lends itself to this level of audience involvement. Notice I didn't say "audience participation". I don't want Sanjaya to be the next person with abilities to show up on Heroes.

Although he is every bit as evil as Sylar, and we already know his ability - to stay on a show long after he's overstayed his welcome. That, and his terrifying hair.

And how do I even know about any of this? Not because I watch the stupid show (even I have standards), but because I can't even go to the grocery store or surf the web without seeing that fucker's name and face plastered everywhere.
Sylar's shitty painting
by Zarles
Apr 23rd, 2007
09:53:19 PM
In Sylar's version of the painting that Isaac did, Nathan looked pretty damn evil. Granted, Sylar had limited artistic ability, but still. From what we saw in the previews, Nathan has turned to the dark side in some way(s).

My question is this - what if when Sylar killed Isaac and took his power, and then re-painted Isaac's painting, he altered the future so Nathan turns out to be evil? That would tie into what Hiro and Ando need to go do - go back in time before Isaac is killed and save him, thereby re-changing the future.

I watch each week, but this show is mediocre...
by HappyHamster
Apr 23rd, 2007
10:01:45 PM
By far the best thing this show has going for it is the premise. That's what keeps me coming back.

Most of the characters are fairly boring, the central plot is plodding, and none of these things should happen with a show about super heroes.

Also, regardless of what Herc says there has yet to be a show that was 4.5 from front to back. There have only been 4.5 moments; there has yet to be a 4.5 *show*.

Now, all that negative yapping aside, I'll be watching this show every week. It's not *bad* per se, but something tells me that has more to do with my nerd sensibilities and the premise moreso than any other aspect(acting, writing, directing, etc). In other words, if I were a chick, "Heroes" would be my "Desperate Housewives". :)

Zarles
by areynol2
Apr 23rd, 2007
10:07:03 PM
Maybe the "limited artistic ability" is a sign that maybe Sylar can't use his stolen powers as well as their original holders...maybe.
Overworkedanunderf*cked: Exactly! It *is* overrated...
by HappyHamster
Apr 23rd, 2007
10:09:10 PM
It's almost like you read my mind!

My opinion of this show is pretty much a cut and paste of your post. I pride myself on my unique insight, but unfortunately since your post is a mirror image of my opinion, my insight doesn't feel so "unique" anymore. :)

Again people, we're not saying it's bad (it's not) - it's just way overrated.

Why Linderman Needs Micah
by kgerm
Apr 23rd, 2007
10:13:01 PM
Remember that Primatech Paper ad? Well, if you signed up and applied for a job there they put you on their mailing list. And Hana Gittelman (the Wireless chick that found Sprague) has a website where she uses her gift to hack any and all Linderman's doings. Linderman has a special program designed to rig the voting machines on the day of the election. Through some sort of code breaking system on her site (with the help of fans, of course) they broke his evil system designed to help Nathan win...just in time for this episode. So Micah, well, he's gonna help Nathan win that election. Got it?
You two may be right...
by Zarles
Apr 23rd, 2007
10:16:40 PM
...but it sure would be interesting that way. It would set Sylar up as being the big baddie that everyone needed to stop in order to set the future back on course. We'll see.

That said, I agree that this show is a touch overrated, but it's still gobs of fun when it's hitting on all cylinders. Cut some of the lengthy exposition and unnecessary character relationships, and personally I feel it would run a lot tighter and quicker than it does right now.

The Shape Shifting Girl
by RCFOM
Apr 23rd, 2007
10:21:01 PM
Am I the only one that thinks that we have not even seen the true form of the Shape Shifting girl. I mean she could look like anybody in the world and her natural form just happens to be a stunningly gorgeous girl. I think in her true form she, or possibly he, are really ugly or disfigured. Thus she was picked on or shunned her whole life. So when she discovers her power she takes the form of a beautiful girl and gets to be a total evil bitch to everyone.
What I do and don't like...
by Arguendo
Apr 23rd, 2007
10:21:18 PM
... is this whole immersive thing. It's annoying since you feel like you need to be involved, and, really, sometimes I can't bother to sign onto a website (hey I'm lazy).

To it's credit, however, I do like how the show itself works fine w/out the other components. Outside of Linderman's aside that he had some "original" plans that were screwed up -- for most viewers who hadn't followed the Gittelman internet stuff, it doesn't really matter, since Micah resolved it anyway (and his original plan has no substantive bearing on the show).

Also, why didn't Mohinder just kill Sylar when he had him knocked out on the floor? He was going to already, and he thought Peter was dead. We'll just say he was emotionally distraught and not thinking clearly.
Interesting, isn't it...
by Red Ned Lynch
Apr 23rd, 2007
10:24:12 PM
...how you get some folks saying "you got to kill the cop off" and others saying "the cop is one of the only characters I find interesting", how you have folks waiting the whole episode just to see Hiro and others who think Hiro is off the charts goofy, how so many people have "these three or four characters I like and the rest suck" but they're different characters for nearly everyone. What that indicates is people so into their favorite characters that time spent on/with the others is an irritating distraction, and the fact that nearly all the characters chart on the lists of favorites indicates that nearly every character on the show is clicking with some part of the audience. Interesting.
RCFOM (Shapeshifting Girl)
by Arguendo
Apr 23rd, 2007
10:24:19 PM
And stealing from Damn Yankees to boot! For shame...
Think Missy the Shapeshifter and Nikkica are gonna
by Pennsy
Apr 23rd, 2007
10:27:52 PM
throw down soon enough?
Sylar's weakness?...flimsy bulletin boards...
by Merlox
Apr 23rd, 2007
10:42:20 PM
wtf?...and what's up wit hripping off Watchmen AND Xmen...dammit Heroes get your own plot.
Season 2
by Alientoast
Apr 23rd, 2007
10:51:28 PM
They stated that season 2 would have a new arc and new heroes, but you can be damned sure they will maintain all the popular heroes, such as Hiro.
Isaac
by leesheri
Apr 23rd, 2007
11:28:39 PM
shot up in the last episode. So he has used recently. To further support the Sylar is addicted to heroin now theory.
shapeshifter vs. Niki
by oisin5199
Apr 23rd, 2007
11:56:27 PM
Mystique vs. Rogue, anyone? At least in powers, if not the relationship. And Linderman's plan is totally Watchmenesque, but that theme has been coming up lately in fantasy - give them a disaster and they'll band together? wishful post-9/11 thinking perhaps?

and I have a few questions. Did we see the 'previously on' scene when the husband (forget the character's name, played by Leonard Roberts, Forest from Buffy) figured out it was Niki and not Jessica?

Second, if Linderman needs Petrelli to win the election, why did he contract Niki to kill him? Or did someone else hire her? Then again, we never saw her go after him, so maybe I'm assuming it was a hit since she got Petrelli's picture in an envelope.

also, when Hiro's friend said he was confused, so was I. When did we find out that Sylar was caught in the future? I just didn't get Hiro's assumption that Isaac would still be alive.

A HEROES/COMIC BOOK QUESTION
by DS9Sisko
Apr 24th, 2007
12:09:15 AM
Oh ye fanboys, I have a question that some of you can perhaps answer: Aside from the near plagiarism of Linderman's motivations paraphrased in total spirit from Watchmen, what OTHER famous comic book plots has Heroes "lifted" or borrowed and to what storylines on the show do they coincide?
Linderman Brings Sylar Back From the Dead in finale!!!!
by StanTheCritic
Apr 24th, 2007
12:11:04 AM
Count on it... They save the world. But the final scene is Linderman bring Sylar back from the dead. Linderman is a bad mofo.

Deal!

Previews: America Remembers "SYLAR"
by Russman
Apr 24th, 2007
12:16:44 AM
did anyone see that in the preview? A picture of Sylar in a news papers with the title saying "America Remembers"
The last few episodes didn't do much for me
by Hervoyel
Apr 24th, 2007
12:22:19 AM
But I have to admit that this one seemed to tighten things up and pull a lot of what I've been bitching about together. It was a good episode and has me looking forward to next weeks. Somebody needs to tell Mohinder that when you have the multi-powered monster unconscious on the floor you need to go ahead and decapitate him while you have the chance. Still it was good stuff.
art history 101 - sylar's crappy painting
by rameniac
Apr 24th, 2007
12:31:16 AM
... sylar's crappy painting was awesome! the representation of what isaac painted but through the gaze of an evil, warped mind. NICE nod to van gogh and the post-impressionists, who used to paint janky green-faced people because their perceptions were altered from drinking too much absinthe! by the way, that sylar painted the same painting of president pete makes me think that maybe that was the last painting isaac ever made, and sylar simply inherited a useless power (i.e. HE can't really paint anything else in the future because it stops at what isaac saw...) would explain why they had all the news clippings hanging up in the studio when hiro visited. sylar had to figure it out some other way.
oisin5199
by Autoclave
Apr 24th, 2007
12:35:02 AM
1. yes 2. They never said that Nikki was going to kill Nathan. She just was there to kill the fbi guys and deliver the message that linderman was going to make him an offer. 3. It wasn't that Sylar was caught in the future, when they met in Texas Issac told Hiro that the brain eating man was taken care of and wouldn't be hurting anyone else. Hiro didn't know that Sylar escaped. A couple other things for people who haven't kept up. From messages from the creators, Peter can copy powers just by being near the person, they don't have to be using them. Sylar and Peter's voice thing is just an artistic choice. And I'm betting that the key to killing Sylar is in Issac's sketchbook. "It might be worth something someday"
Two Thoughts
by LevitationHolmes
Apr 24th, 2007
12:44:14 AM
1. Sylar is shown on the television show with the caption, "America Remembers." My bet is that Peter survives the blast, Nathan/Linderman have Sylar killed and then blame the blast on him. It's Nathan's way of keeping the Petrelli name out of harm's way. 2. When Isaac was dying he said that he had passed on the plans on how to stop Sylar. My guess is that the comic book that he sent out at the beginning of the show was the blueprint on how to stop Sylar. I'm psyched for next week.
rameniac
by Dosomo
Apr 24th, 2007
01:04:34 AM
I think you meant President Nathan.
Ah thats some good tv...
by david19
Apr 24th, 2007
01:11:24 AM
but I am going to be damn sure that I steer clear of spoilers from now on. The great thing about talk balks is so often i miss things that other people pick up on, the bad thing is all the spoilers that got posted before the show went on. No matter how many times its happened spoilers just always mess things up for me. If I see just one thing spoiled it makes it so hard to get into something, and today was no exception. I knew about Linderman, I knew about Peter, and I knew about FutureHiro. Sigh.

But now for the fun stuff! Speculation: Mrs Peter-Mom Iim thinking her power is in her voice. I like the Banshee\shout idea, though not entirely convinced that is what Peter used against Sylar and Isaac, we'll have to wait and see. I'm leaning more towards an Eden-esque type power. By the way, I miss Eden. I could not STAND her at first but she really grew on me.

I think Isaac is going to come back somehow. He didnt seem all that distraught about dying cause I think he knew Hiro would save him.

I like the Sylar going crazy idea. He is not exactly sane, and Isaacs power would very well have the kind of effect that would send him over the deep end.

Jessica/Niki: It was interesting to see a moment of clarity for Jessica. My guess is at some point she and Niki will learn to coexist into a final third personality, a balance of her two halves. This third person is going to be the kick-ass super character we all want to see. I want to see her do more then shoot a gun. I want her to throw a car or something!!!

Peter: Ah Peter! Good ol Petey. My guess for Peter was that he was going to get too powerful and go all Akira on us. It was interesting to see him using DL's phasing power on the next week preview, and kissing Niki. Can we envision a flying, phasing, super-strong, fast healing, telekenetic etc etc etc hero? He has so much potential and I am absolutely dying to see at least one show with a decent budget that really allows us to see what he is capable of. Right now, based on his weak fight with Sylar, i think he is really held back, but if he learned to let loose? True geek bliss. Heroes would make one hell of a movie. It could become the XMEN 3 movie we wanted and never got!

Ted: COOL! I love that he got to see a more definate description of his power. It seems rather then just being Radioactive man he is now Energy man. Weve seen him do radioactive energy, electromagnetic pulses, what else could he be capable of? Manipulating magnetism doesnt seem too far off from an EMP. Anyone else think of what he may be able to do? Parkman: At first I could not think of anything beyond hearing thoughts until I saw an article on IGN comparing him to Prof X. Mind control, and putting his own thoughts into other peoples heads doesnt seem too far off if Parkman can learn to use his powers more effectively.

Finally considering that Missy seems to be able to control her powers so well, (and by the way, she seems to me to be closer to Scarlet Witch then Mystique, anyone?) my guess\hope is that next season will see good ol Mr Bennett, and perhaps the Invisible Man teaching some of our Heroes how to better use their power. Im guessing that the new trio of HRG, Prof Parkman, and Ted the Energy-man will prove to be quite beneficial. Im leaning more towards a team being led by HRG then Mohinder, the Incredibly Naive-man. Unless Mo starts to manifest the power of a brain connected to a spine.

While there does not seem to be any indication of this, I heard someone mention that maybe Claire might manifest enhanced strength. At the very least at some point it would be cool to see her putting her powers to their limits by trying her hand at some martial arts. She could be Exreme-sports Girl! Or just, Extreme Girl!No cliff too high, no board trick too dangerous! Energy-man: Quick Fly-guy! Take Sylar out before he reaches the detonator!

Sylar: Muahahahaha!!!! You'll never stop me now!!!

Fly-guy: No! Its too late! Hes pushed the button! We are all going to die!!!

Extreme-girl: Not if I have anything to say about it! (Extreme-girl throws herself on the C-4, taking the explosion, then reconstructing from an intact pinky toe.)

Professor Parkman(with his mind: Good job Extreme-girl!

SEE! I TOLDJA, I TOLDJA!!!! weeks ago
by Droogie Alex
Apr 24th, 2007
01:14:01 AM
That Linderman had a power, and wanted to explode the NYC bomb. HAIL TO THE CHIEF OF THE NASTY, THAT'S ME! By the way, (AGAIN) why does Peter think he's the one who's going to explode? When did he ever meet the radioactive guy?
AHHHHH
by david19
Apr 24th, 2007
01:17:35 AM
Good point OISIN. This show has rewatchability. I cant wait for Season 1 to be released on DVD
Droogie Alex:
by david19
Apr 24th, 2007
01:18:24 AM
He hasnt.....yet.
Sylar's Painting/5 years later
by GiveMeAnFinBreak
Apr 24th, 2007
01:29:08 AM
Just watch. It's going to be revealed, in the '5 Years Later' episode that, in those 5 years, Sylar has absorbed shape-shifting girl's power (as well as many others) and taken the place of Nathan Petrelli. Pick apart the preview and tell me I'm wrong. That whole "I'm leader of the free world, that means I'm the most special person alive" and the Sylar voice bit he does towards the end of the commercial are a dead give away.
OH OH OH!!!
by david19
Apr 24th, 2007
01:38:15 AM
NICE!!!! Good theory!
Kill Jack Bauer, Save the World
by Napoleon Park
Apr 24th, 2007
01:38:23 AM
Heroes is the same as pretty much any small comic company's attempted start-up of a Marvel style coherent "New Universe" in which a bunch of characters have an origin related to a single cause (mutantcy, the white event, the eclipse, etc.) Nothing new there, it just seems fresh to mainstream TV viewers who haven't seen that many comics. It's still done pretty well, I think. *** Give any two artists - or more specifically any working artist and a non-artist - the same "power" to paint future events and there's no reason to expect them to draw or paint in the same style. Of course Sylar's sketchy, "dark" drawing style totally reflects his own personality. *** I know the conventional AICN talkbacker wisdom is that the only thing on opposite Heroes is 24, but what's up with burning off one of the final King Of Queens by giving Doug and Carrie totally unrelated storylines? I'm rooting for a KOQ/CSI:NY crossover, but who shoots first, Doug or Carrie? *** If Julia's brother was a regular on "Less Than Perfect" and Little Alex was Mr. Roarke on that new "Fantasy Island". Why can't I believe that Eric and Malcolm are 'cast members' on this show, instead of 'guest stars'? Or will they be like Nurse Ratched on ST:DS9, a "guest star" on various episodes over the entire run of the series? *** I notice that out of respect to the religious, Linderman is being called "a healer". If you can bring a dried, black rose back to life, that's not healing, that's resurrection. *** So, everyone knows Future-Hiro is an evil terrorist, right? Or are we not allowed to acknowledge TV Guide spoilers at this site?
Peter explodes?
by Droogie Alex
Apr 24th, 2007
01:40:11 AM
Then why, when Invisable guy was training Peter, did he keep saying "I'm loosing it, I'm gonna blow"?
Now That's a Theory Give Me...
by LordEnigma
Apr 24th, 2007
01:56:46 AM
Sylar taking over as President and replacing Nathan would be a great twist. This would also be a great reason as to why Nathan/Sylar wants to kill everyone with powers in the future. So it will make it easier for him to attain their powers. Damn. This is an awesome theory. It would also explain why Sylar painted himself into the president painting and not Nathan.
Awesome Episode!
by wackedfuck
Apr 24th, 2007
03:17:08 AM
But next week's is going to be even better!!!! It looks like it will truly be like a comic book. And I knew there was a reason Peter is always those long coats. That's his "costume"! Btw, it says that I've been a member for 37 years. Huh? That's way before AICN even existed!
Bacci FourOh
by Napoleon Park
Apr 24th, 2007
03:53:01 AM
Thanx for reading my comment and replying. I haven't been following the NBC.com posted "graphic novel", just the show. If they have demonstrated or stated that Linderman's power is "healing", I'll go with that. I'm just saying, when a rose complete with leaves, stem and thorns turn completely flat coal black, it's pretty dead. As in the old rolling Stones song "I'll put dead flowers on your grave". And not wanting to offend the folks who believe in the part of Easter that doesn't involve bunnies, colored eggs or jelly beans, but returning something from the dead isn't 'healing' it, it's resurrection. Or maybe I have the semantics wrong - I guess JC was known as a 'healer' and he brought a guy back from the dead, din;t he? *** Still, didn't a lot of us expect Linderman to be the one to bring Peter back? (I did.) *** So the next time the doctor tells you Grandma's dead, ask him if he can "heal" her. You know, just to see the look on his face. Really, i'm not trying to be argumentative or confrontational, as fun an AICN talkback tradition as that is. If the official word is that Linderman is a healer, fine. I just don't think 'reviving from the dead' (or from a dried, dehydrated, petrified and blackened state) fits the conventional definition of 'healing'. It's just me, right?
Average episode! C'mon did ppl think Peter was dead?
by captboulder
Apr 24th, 2007
04:12:53 AM
If this was a season 2 episode than it would be rated an average episode! I'm just glad to see people dying on this and other shows!
The word now
by The Selecter
Apr 24th, 2007
05:16:30 AM
is that they aren't going to shuffle the cast as much next season as they had planned. The core group will stick around, and they will add a new female hero.

That said, this was a solid return. Company Man is still the finest so far. The Sylar/Peter confrontation was nice, but short. The crying wasn't so good. I hope all of the characters that act like they're the insiders or power players actually have the credentials to back up their words.
Thieving bastards
by rgatz
Apr 24th, 2007
05:43:36 AM
It's not Moore's style, but if Ellison can collect for Terminator lifting Soldier, and Matheson can sue Poltergeist for "homaging" Little Girl Lost, the Watchman are due some dollars. Hell, the comics community should mount a class action suit against NBC.
Nobody Knows Yet How Good This Is
by emvan
Apr 24th, 2007
05:46:03 AM
We won't know until everything is revealed. If it hangs together without plot holes and with everything tying up in nifty ways, it'll be brilliant to the extent that the uneven writing and shameless borrowing (BTW: the plot point taken from Watchmen goes back to 19 freaking 48, with the classic "Unite and Conquer" by the immortal Theodore Sturgeon) will be completely excused. If it has the usual amount of sloppiness and loose ends, the final verdict will be very good but not classic because of those and the aforementioned potential shortcomings. If there are major WTF? plot holes, we'll all be let down. We shall see.
Van Gogh / Absinthe
by PotSmokinAlien
Apr 24th, 2007
06:52:12 AM
it was laudanum, not absinthe that made van gogh paint in the colors he did. once you were hooked on that shit you saw a yellow filter over everything. absinthe just makes you act crazy for awhile.
screw the watchmen, 9/11 anyone?
by PotSmokinAlien
Apr 24th, 2007
06:58:20 AM
yeah heroes got the idea from the watchmen. but check it out: we have a shady, all powerful dude hand picking some tool to be president, who will be in on the arrangement of a cataclysmic event in nyc that will kill a 'small enough' number of people to justify the uniting of the US against outsiders but then using the power for lies and control? (as we see nathan doing in the promo for next week) sounds pretty familiar to this pot smoking shithead
Screw the Watchmen???? I don't think so.
by AdrianVeidt
Apr 24th, 2007
07:16:27 AM
...but maybe that's only because Herc was right and Linderman DID remind me of myself. Old heroes who have separated and now are trying to run the world, Linderman being the sole proprietor of vast amounts of knowledge? I also feel like a lot of secrets were expelled tonight, leaving not much in the way of the city getting absolutely smoked.
really liked the trio of HRG, Parkman, energy dude..
by just pillow talk
Apr 24th, 2007
07:21:06 AM
I'm definitely looking forward to some type of heroes 'team up'. While the Sylar-Pete throw down was short, still love what Sylar did with the glass. What I don't understand was why Pete turned invisible and just stood there? You would think he would have, I don't know, moved behind Sylar or something to get the drop on him.

I didn't watch the previews, but very interesting the idea that Sylar is 'Future Nathan'. I wonder what tidbits they'll let known from the future?

I like the idea of a previous incarnation of 'Heroes'. I'm assuming Sulu was part of that former 'team' as well...

I would be surprised if the "city gets smoked"
by just pillow talk
Apr 24th, 2007
07:23:19 AM
I think they'll save it and leave the future totally in doubt. Everything that the heroes have known, or thought they knew, about the future will have changed. A brave new frontier....
no i like the watchmen...
by PotSmokinAlien
Apr 24th, 2007
07:34:38 AM
i am just saying, linderman's plan to let nyc blow up, its similarity to the watchmen could be distracting viewers from what kring might be trying to draw a parallel to in the real world.
I read in EW that the creator of "Rising Stars"
by Mr. Profit
Apr 24th, 2007
08:39:55 AM

Doesn't plan on suing "Heroes". He enjoys the show and feels "Heroes" is doing a service for the comic book industry by bringing a comic book format to 15 million viewers a week.

And a version of "Rising Stars" is in development for TV.

There is room for 2 comic book shows with the same premise. It's all in the execution. I think "Heroes" is a fun show. Not awesome, not the best acting, it's just fun.

I don't understand why people insist on listing all the things it has "Ripped Off". Some of the source material people are listing would never work on TV. "Watchmen" would never work on TV. But we are all in agreement it is a good comic series.

People need to realize that by complaining on an AICN Talkback about how a fluff comic book TV show (designed to kill a few boring hours of your life and entertain you in the process) rips off other "Cooler" and "Better" comics of the past, you aren't earning geek cred. You are just stating the obvious.

Just sit back and enjoy the show. Maybe take a shot whenever Hiro does his TAS face, when Peter moves his bang, when Claire attempts and fails to create an Emmy Worthy clip for consideration, or when Dr. Stupid aka Mohinder says a sentence with the word "Research". You might feel better.

Also, does the bitch from "Stick It"...
by Mr. Profit
Apr 24th, 2007
08:41:59 AM
Ever change her fucking clothes? She always has on that fake Catholic School skirt and boots. She looks hot don't get me wrong, but this is like the 3rd or 4th ep she's been rocking the same outfit.
So wouldn't future hiro know he would run into
by warp11
Apr 24th, 2007
08:49:58 AM
past Hiro, unless something in the timeline has been changed.
I agree wit Mr. Profit...
by mr ahole ramirez
Apr 24th, 2007
09:00:54 AM
...that girl has some serious wardrobe issues...also, I dont think she should have a shape-shiftin power cuz she already have the power of bitchiness..
Sylar's Painting
by mezpin
Apr 24th, 2007
09:12:48 AM
His painting of Nathan as president looks quite a bit more like Sylar than Nathan -- plus the long evil fingers. I'm totally on board with the idea that he replaces Nathan.
I don't mind the plotline lifting either.
by Zarles
Apr 24th, 2007
09:13:06 AM
I mean, come on - they're lifting things from WATCHMEN, the holy grail of graphic novels. Do you really want to complain that much? There are far worse things they could be stealing from.

I don't have a problem with Shapeshifter Girl's wardrobe issues, either. She can wear that skirt and those boots for as long as she likes. :)

Mohinder's superpower/gift
by ElPaw
Apr 24th, 2007
09:13:17 AM
Managing to get a stiff body half way accross the city, all the way from his flat to the Petrelli's residence, in a taxi without anyone batting an eyelid.
ElPaw - LOL
by Zarles
Apr 24th, 2007
09:14:55 AM
Thought the same thing. It's New York City, though. Dead bodies in cabs probably turn up all the time.
Mohinder is the worst character on the show...
by Mr. Profit
Apr 24th, 2007
09:22:04 AM
I used to think Parkman was bad, but after last night I changed my tune and got back on the Mohinder is a Stupid Fuck bandwagon. What could have been a cool Professor X like character has turned into a waste of space the way Simone was. The reason Sylar didn't eat his brain was because Mohinder probably doesn't have one.
Plot Hole?
by Mr. Profit
Apr 24th, 2007
09:22:56 AM
Didn't Eden blow her brains out? So how does Sylar have "The Voice" all of a sudden?
Sylar DOES NOT have Eden's power!!!!!
by indyjonez100
Apr 24th, 2007
09:34:15 AM
Sylar DOES NOT have Eden's power with the voice. I've seen this repeated on so many other threads it boggles the mind. She blew her brains out so Sylar would not get her power. The VOICE that people keep hearing is just an effect the people who make the show use to let you know Sylar is about to kill someone. End of story. I wish this whole thing of Does Sylar have Eden's power go away. He doesn't!
Some thoughts
by Leopold Scotch
Apr 24th, 2007
09:34:31 AM
I like the theory that Isaac put the Sylar vulnerability drawings in his sketchbook and gave it away.

Another theory (and shoot me down if I'm forgetting something) is that the key to killing Sylar is in the painting that Hiro delivered to Linderman. I'm not too confident about this because I can't remember whether or not we actually saw that painting (if we did, can someone remind me what it showed?).

As for the articles and pictures hanging in Isaac's apartment, they're exactly what Hiro said they were: a timeline. Future Hiro made it, trying to figure out the cause and effects of all the events of the past five years (probably trying to figure out what he will be able to change or something).
Sylar didn't get Eve's Voice power
by voxmortis
Apr 24th, 2007
09:34:58 AM
...that was the whole point, she blew her head off so he wouldn't get her power.
I know that, but it was kinda like a "Huh?" moment....
by Mr. Profit
Apr 24th, 2007
09:37:21 AM
I understand that she sacrified herself. But it kinda seemed like he got the power anyway. Thanks for clearing up the whole voice thing on the producers end. But you would think they would just leave his voice alone and end confusion.
Yeh, Eden - not Eve
by voxmortis
Apr 24th, 2007
09:38:25 AM
But Sylar DID use THE VOICE tonight! Why didn't Mohinder just cut Sylar's head off while he had the chance.
Heroically good!
by Ninja Nerd
Apr 24th, 2007
09:42:20 AM
Even if you're a "hater", you have to admit this show, and this episode, are far better than most of the dreck on TV. Compared to the 1st season of 'Lost', this show is way ahead of the curve. Considering the number of characters and stories, it's juggled all the balls fairly well. And yes, 'Company Man' is my favorite episode this season and followed up well with Bennett last night. The scene in the diner..."he's a schlub"...was outstanding. Ted was very cool..."burn bright, not hot". Wow. Next week...will make or break this show. Time travel is usually hosed by inconsistent paradoxes or some deus ex machina in the last reel that makes no sense. If they do the "5 Years Gone" well, I will be even more in love with this show.
Why didn't Mohinder kill Sylar?
by Fount of Useless Info
Apr 24th, 2007
09:42:30 AM
Because the last time he tried, Sylar stopped a bullet in mid-air. At this point, it was better to get out while he had the chance than to try to kill him and find out that he was no longer stunned.

More importantly, he didn't kill him because it would have screwed up the plot.

More thoughts
by indyjonez100
Apr 24th, 2007
09:45:33 AM
The key to killing Sylar was in the comic book pages 9th Wonder which he gave to the runner right before he gave him the sketch book. Also, the online graphic novel at Heroes.com explains the articles and pictures hanging up in Isaac's apartment. He's trying to figure out what events he can effect in order to change the past so NYC won't blow up.
Re: Days of Future Past.
by Fount of Useless Info
Apr 24th, 2007
09:46:06 AM
To those complaining that the next episode will be a rip off of days of future past, the show has already referenced that plot line. In one of the very first episodes (possibly the pilot), Hiro talks about his power in reference to DoFP. It's not like they are trying to pull the wool over our eyes and deny the similarities. The difference is that these are supposed to be people who know about comics, but know that there is no such thing as superpowers...until this started happening.
Was Mama Petrelli hangin with Linderaman
by SPECTRE Agent
Apr 24th, 2007
09:51:30 AM
and Sulu back in the day then?? I am slightly saddened that Primatech and Linderman Group are the same though. I thought we'd get a war between the two. And McDowell is really kicking ass!
Sylar vs Peter
by DeceitfulNinja
Apr 24th, 2007
09:58:17 AM
The reason Sylar was able to easily impale Peter with the glass even though he was invisible, is that he could hear him with his power.
even though he got impaled...
by just pillow talk
Apr 24th, 2007
10:04:26 AM
Pete is certainly showing better control of his powers.
Leopold Scotch
by mezpin
Apr 24th, 2007
10:09:55 AM
The painting Hiro delivered to Linderman was of Hiro and the dinosaur.
You guys go watch The Architects Of Fear on
by Lovecraftfan
Apr 24th, 2007
10:19:52 AM
Outer Limits. Watchmen ripped that off.
Thanks for getting back to me, chaps
by Leopold Scotch
Apr 24th, 2007
10:33:35 AM
I couldn't remember if we saw it or not. Pursued by bear, that was my initial reaction to mezpin's post too.

Also, I really like the idea that Matt and others might be able to evelove their powers, like planting thoughts in others' minds. Good call.
where's chrth?
by BadMrWonka
Apr 24th, 2007
10:46:09 AM
oh well, we must soldier on...maybe mini-chrth has finally arrived.

I have never read a comic in my life, so I don't get any of the Watchmen references you guys are discussing/complaining about. but the 9/11 connection was more than blatant, it was undeniably intended. the explosion, orchestrated by one baddie to kill some people and galvanize a movement. here it's lindermann and his agenda, in real life, bin laden and his agenda.

I also wondered why mohinder didn't bash Sylar's head in, and how the fuck he got a dead body in a cab across town. but oh well, minor quibbles.

as for the show being overrated, as some have said, look how popular it is! there are very few shows on TV right now that are both highly rated, and highly respected. Sopranos and a couple others. and on network TV? forget it. Heroes may not be perfect, but in the age of reality TV shitstorms, it is amazing there are still enough people with brains enough to clamor for entertainment like this. overrated? no way. a show like The Bachelor, where people get to jack off to women crying after being dumped, THAT'S overrated.

we need heroes, and we need Heroes.

Mohinder must die!
by anchorite
Apr 24th, 2007
10:50:39 AM
He is too naive and indecisive to live. At this point, a three year old asking politely for a poscicle would be too much for him to manage.
amen BadMrWonka!
by just pillow talk
Apr 24th, 2007
10:52:50 AM
I can tell you that this and 24 (different topic in terms of quality downfall) are the only shows I watch.

Pete is such a small guy, I'm sure super strong Mohinder had no problem lugging him around. And people with pieces of glass stuck in the back of their heads are a dime a dozen in NYC...

And as for the 9/11 connection...
by anchorite
Apr 24th, 2007
10:54:04 AM
My wife turned to me and said, "Are they trying to parallel this with 9/11 and say that the Bush Administration planned it?" God, I hope not. If Heroes becomes a left-wing wacko conspiracy outlet, I'll scream!
Where is Ando and the power of Awesome
by indyjonez100
Apr 24th, 2007
10:54:29 AM
One of the many best lines of the night, "I'm confused"
How can Linderman be upset about...
by anchorite
Apr 24th, 2007
10:57:02 AM
his colleagues using their powers for personal gain? He's gotta be one of the richest, most influencial men in the world! Pot, meet Kettle. Also, he mentioned that they had a group of "specials" that made the world a better place, for a time. When the hell was that? The late '60's? Were they on a hippie commune? WTF?
call to arms
by majortom25
Apr 24th, 2007
11:00:49 AM
well the latest comic links to a picture with a girl with all these email subject lines that say call to arms flaoting around her head.
Without a doubt the show is getting better
by Itchy
Apr 24th, 2007
11:04:39 AM
in every measurable way. Writing is MUCH tighter, there is a clear plot which is advancing weekly, and the cast is actually starting to iron out a lot of wrinkles. Even Mohinder, Peter and Parkman were good this week (though Nikki/Jessica still sucks). I'm VERY leary about the time travel / future prediction element to the show (since every time any other sci-fi has incorporate that, it has sucked) ... but if they pull it off, this may be one of - if not THE - best debut season of any show ever. I guess it helps that it "borrows" so heavily from tried and true formulas, but what the hell - a weekly X-Men series ? Sign me up !
Listen you miscreants
by mostsavage
Apr 24th, 2007
11:06:45 AM
I can't believe no one had brought up these things before. The pictures and articles in Issaac's apartment were a timeline (as hiro mentioned) but it wasn't a linear timeline. It was Future hiro's timeline of all the possibile timelines that occured when he meddled in the past, each strand barnching as events were altered or not altered. My guess is we will find that Future Hiro is responsible for Hiro's not being able to save Charlie, having teleported Past Hiro back to Japan for the greater good. (That's right Hiro will develop the power to telport other people as well). Isaac's skecth book will become very valuable in the future. If you've read the online comics Linderman can't bring back things from the dead, he can only heal the living. The shape-shifting girl is not shape shifting. She's altering people's perceptions (hince why the whole room goes funky when she reverts). Remember when she said "i can show him things that'll make him gouge his eyes out." She has the power of illusion. I predict she will die rather quickly by sylar's hand. There ain't nobody she can turn into that Sylar would mind killing and there's no evidence that she can mimic powers or strength. These are the facts jack. Know about it.
Oh and another
by mostsavage
Apr 24th, 2007
11:11:30 AM
ando dies. This is what Future hiro is working so feverously to prevent.
More on the future episode
by Fount of Useless Info
Apr 24th, 2007
11:20:53 AM
TV Guide has a bunch of info including some spoilers on the next episode. As much as I hate TinyUrl, the link was too long, so... http://tinyurl.com/3572ha

Looks, like it should be interesting next week.

Good ep, but here's the problem:
by Novaman5000
Apr 24th, 2007
11:21:08 AM
No one believed Peter was dead so his "death" had absolutely no weight.

Also, Isaac? I've been waiting for him to die for 4 months. It was painfully obvious that he was not long for this world... His painting showed as much. His death is pretty underwhelming as well.

Perhaps letting the audience in on all the plot revelations doesn't work ALL the time... Herc's right, we do know entirely too much to be affected in any real way by many of these plot developments.

mostsavage
by BadMrWonka
Apr 24th, 2007
11:25:48 AM
if Future Hiro has those photos there listing a multitude of possible timelines, how could they still just stay there as he changed things? wouldn't the photos on string change, if he altered time before he himself put up the photos on string?

isn't it safer to assume that Future Hiro is waiting there, piecing together info, to find the best place to go back to, or the best course of action, when in walks old Hiro (and Ando).

wait, that doesn't work either...FUCK, where is chrth?

Novaman
by Fount of Useless Info
Apr 24th, 2007
11:26:26 AM
I agree about Peter, there was no question ever about that, so it didn't have the emotional impact it should have.

That said, I disagree about Isaac. It wasn't about shock there. His death was all about how he was going out. He knew just like we did that he was going to die. He didn't do anything to prevent it, but he did prepare for it. There were a few things hinted at during his death scene that I think will come back to be of major importance in later episodes when the confrontation between Sylar and everyone else comes to a head.

I think what will make Isaac's death feel important
by Novaman5000
Apr 24th, 2007
11:32:19 AM
is when whatever huge clue he left behind is brought to light. His final gift. THEN I think his death will have some sort of emotional impact on me. Right now I was pretty indifferent to it. Maybe mildly disappointed that he gave up the ghost so easily.
Peter / Sylar Fight NOT
by bythehairofsanjaya
Apr 24th, 2007
11:32:28 AM
By the hair of Sanjaya I was disappointed in the Peter / Sylar non-fight. Any average human when learning they could fly, or what ever would fool around, experiment and practice the crap out of those abilities. Look at nuke man. He sits around shooting small bursts out of his hands like he was popping his knuckles - a very logical reaction to having his ability. Any of us would do the same. Peter, therefore, should be further along at this point. I hope we do eventually get the money shot of a true kick-butt Peter / Sylar fight. I was disappointed in last night's episode because I was expecting it there. And don't get me started on Mohinder. He was going to kill Sylar anyway so he didn't take a minute to finish the job when he had the chance? Not logical. But I love the show.
The death of Peter wasn't for OUR emotional impact!
by anchorite
Apr 24th, 2007
11:41:07 AM
It was for the characters' emotional impact. Nathan was distraught, as was Claire and even evil Granny. WE knew he wasn't really dead (his eyes had cataracts, certainly not what happens when you get impaled in the brain), WE knew he had Claire's same powers and weakness(such as we saw when she got impaled in the brain and came back once the object had been removed)... and Claire knew he had her power. It was all there for Claire to put together. But it freaked Nathan out, and possibly put him over the edge so that he will follow Linderman's plans to help him ascend to the Presidency.
Mohinder must DIE! See my above post by the same name.
by anchorite
Apr 24th, 2007
11:45:51 AM
The guy is a total ass-master. At least he is calling it "My Research" instead of "My Father's Research" now. When he showed up at the door with Peter's body and a hang-dog look, and then when Evil Granny booted him out, I busted out laughing. Could he BE any more useless? He might as well go the way of Eden and Isaac. Let it go, man. Let it go.
Another link
by Fount of Useless Info
Apr 24th, 2007
11:50:34 AM
Another link (this is to a pdf file, btw): http://tinyurl.com/33ksg6

Spoilers below.

This is the latest Heroes comic, and future Hiro explains what was going on with the strings. They are Hiro's timeline where he is trying to stop the bomb and the whole screwed up future. Sylar was the man who exploded. He had killed Claire and could regenerate, so Hiro couldn't stop him. Hiro told Peter to save Claire, thinking it would stop the explosion. Claire was saved, but nothing changed...enter old school Hiro.

Still anchorite, it just didn't work for me.
by Novaman5000
Apr 24th, 2007
11:52:35 AM
What was the point, really? He was dead on camera for maybe 20 minutes. Enough for his family to be upset (but strangely OK with it. They didn't even ask questions really!) and then have Claire resurrect him. The ONLY lasting consequence from this is Mohinder going to Eric Roberts for help. Maybe it was all for the characters, but I can't help but feel like the creators were like "oh man, the audience is totally gonna think he's dead!!" when they were writing this.
Novaman (again)
by Fount of Useless Info
Apr 24th, 2007
11:58:46 AM
I'll give you that.