I'm psyched its back, it has been too long. Although Lost has been kicking ass again lately, which is nice. With HBO running out of good shows, its nice we'll still have BSG/Heroes/Lost for a little while.

discussion of the invisotext coming up in a second, so if you don't want to know spoilers don't look.

I'm warning you.

Last warning.

Ok, so if Peter dies, but we can pretty much assume he will be back, how does he come back? He can heal, but I assume that like Claire his brain is vital to that process. If Sylar follows his typical M.O. and removes (eats?) the brain, how can Peter come back? (Also, if he can heal, why would Peter have a scar later?) Future Hiro has already established that Peter's not going to die, so we know that's not even an option. I don't know the answer to any of these questions for sure, but what I definitely know is that I'm glad the show is back.

...defkj bfeljbfejf....rgfej bf....has anyone seen the pic of Isaac and Sylar chattin in his studio apt? im pretty sure I saw a dead Isaac in other photos also...

At the beginning of the show I was wary abouut Isaacs power, because to me it presented too many writing hurdles, but if he dies, ah well! Heck, as much as I dig Hiro, his power is a bit too much too. Both Peter and Hiro at some point either need to die or get de-powered. I dont want either of them to die, but when you are dealing with someone who can be anywhere or anytime he wants, and someone who has the potential of having everyones powers without limit, you either get a) the annoying plot device of "you cant change the past" (which they used once already to my annoyance with Charlie) or b)Peter becoming the ultimate villain culminating in him having a Doc Ock moment, realizing the error of his ways then sacrificing himself in a final heroic action.

I'm sure it will still be a fun ride, but my hope is that the writers will find another more original avenue to take. So far this show has delivered, and if all goes well, a movie will come at some point!

PS: ...it was a cool episode...just feel a lil disorientated since I havent seen it so long...its GREAT to see plots movin on and some questions bein answered though...

My question is this - what if when Sylar killed Isaac and took his power, and then re-painted Isaac's painting, he altered the future so Nathan turns out to be evil? That would tie into what Hiro and Ando need to go do - go back in time before Isaac is killed and save him, thereby re-changing the future.

Most of the characters are fairly boring, the central plot is plodding, and none of these things should happen with a show about super heroes.

Also, regardless of what Herc says there has yet to be a show that was 4.5 from front to back. There have only been 4.5 moments; there has yet to be a 4.5 *show*.

Now, all that negative yapping aside, I'll be watching this show every week. It's not *bad* per se, but something tells me that has more to do with my nerd sensibilities and the premise moreso than any other aspect(acting, writing, directing, etc). In other words, if I were a chick, "Heroes" would be my "Desperate Housewives". :)

My opinion of this show is pretty much a cut and paste of your post. I pride myself on my unique insight, but unfortunately since your post is a mirror image of my opinion, my insight doesn't feel so "unique" anymore. :)

Again people, we're not saying it's bad (it's not) - it's just way overrated.

That said, I agree that this show is a touch overrated, but it's still gobs of fun when it's hitting on all cylinders. Cut some of the lengthy exposition and unnecessary character relationships, and personally I feel it would run a lot tighter and quicker than it does right now.

and I have a few questions. Did we see the 'previously on' scene when the husband (forget the character's name, played by Leonard Roberts, Forest from Buffy) figured out it was Niki and not Jessica?

Second, if Linderman needs Petrelli to win the election, why did he contract Niki to kill him? Or did someone else hire her? Then again, we never saw her go after him, so maybe I'm assuming it was a hit since she got Petrelli's picture in an envelope.

also, when Hiro's friend said he was confused, so was I. When did we find out that Sylar was caught in the future? I just didn't get Hiro's assumption that Isaac would still be alive.

Deal!

But now for the fun stuff! Speculation: Mrs Peter-Mom Iim thinking her power is in her voice. I like the Banshee\shout idea, though not entirely convinced that is what Peter used against Sylar and Isaac, we'll have to wait and see. I'm leaning more towards an Eden-esque type power. By the way, I miss Eden. I could not STAND her at first but she really grew on me.

I think Isaac is going to come back somehow. He didnt seem all that distraught about dying cause I think he knew Hiro would save him.

I like the Sylar going crazy idea. He is not exactly sane, and Isaacs power would very well have the kind of effect that would send him over the deep end.

Jessica/Niki: It was interesting to see a moment of clarity for Jessica. My guess is at some point she and Niki will learn to coexist into a final third personality, a balance of her two halves. This third person is going to be the kick-ass super character we all want to see. I want to see her do more then shoot a gun. I want her to throw a car or something!!!

Peter: Ah Peter! Good ol Petey. My guess for Peter was that he was going to get too powerful and go all Akira on us. It was interesting to see him using DL's phasing power on the next week preview, and kissing Niki. Can we envision a flying, phasing, super-strong, fast healing, telekenetic etc etc etc hero? He has so much potential and I am absolutely dying to see at least one show with a decent budget that really allows us to see what he is capable of. Right now, based on his weak fight with Sylar, i think he is really held back, but if he learned to let loose? True geek bliss. Heroes would make one hell of a movie. It could become the XMEN 3 movie we wanted and never got!

Ted: COOL! I love that he got to see a more definate description of his power. It seems rather then just being Radioactive man he is now Energy man. Weve seen him do radioactive energy, electromagnetic pulses, what else could he be capable of? Manipulating magnetism doesnt seem too far off from an EMP. Anyone else think of what he may be able to do? Parkman: At first I could not think of anything beyond hearing thoughts until I saw an article on IGN comparing him to Prof X. Mind control, and putting his own thoughts into other peoples heads doesnt seem too far off if Parkman can learn to use his powers more effectively.

Finally considering that Missy seems to be able to control her powers so well, (and by the way, she seems to me to be closer to Scarlet Witch then Mystique, anyone?) my guess\hope is that next season will see good ol Mr Bennett, and perhaps the Invisible Man teaching some of our Heroes how to better use their power. Im guessing that the new trio of HRG, Prof Parkman, and Ted the Energy-man will prove to be quite beneficial. Im leaning more towards a team being led by HRG then Mohinder, the Incredibly Naive-man. Unless Mo starts to manifest the power of a brain connected to a spine.

While there does not seem to be any indication of this, I heard someone mention that maybe Claire might manifest enhanced strength. At the very least at some point it would be cool to see her putting her powers to their limits by trying her hand at some martial arts. She could be Exreme-sports Girl! Or just, Extreme Girl!No cliff too high, no board trick too dangerous! Energy-man: Quick Fly-guy! Take Sylar out before he reaches the detonator!

Sylar: Muahahahaha!!!! You'll never stop me now!!!

Fly-guy: No! Its too late! Hes pushed the button! We are all going to die!!!

Extreme-girl: Not if I have anything to say about it! (Extreme-girl throws herself on the C-4, taking the explosion, then reconstructing from an intact pinky toe.)

Professor Parkman(with his mind: Good job Extreme-girl!

I didn't watch the previews, but very interesting the idea that Sylar is 'Future Nathan'. I wonder what tidbits they'll let known from the future?

I like the idea of a previous incarnation of 'Heroes'. I'm assuming Sulu was part of that former 'team' as well...

Doesn't plan on suing "Heroes". He enjoys the show and feels "Heroes" is doing a service for the comic book industry by bringing a comic book format to 15 million viewers a week.

And a version of "Rising Stars" is in development for TV.

There is room for 2 comic book shows with the same premise. It's all in the execution. I think "Heroes" is a fun show. Not awesome, not the best acting, it's just fun.

I don't understand why people insist on listing all the things it has "Ripped Off". Some of the source material people are listing would never work on TV. "Watchmen" would never work on TV. But we are all in agreement it is a good comic series.

People need to realize that by complaining on an AICN Talkback about how a fluff comic book TV show (designed to kill a few boring hours of your life and entertain you in the process) rips off other "Cooler" and "Better" comics of the past, you aren't earning geek cred. You are just stating the obvious.

Just sit back and enjoy the show. Maybe take a shot whenever Hiro does his TAS face, when Peter moves his bang, when Claire attempts and fails to create an Emmy Worthy clip for consideration, or when Dr. Stupid aka Mohinder says a sentence with the word "Research". You might feel better.

I don't have a problem with Shapeshifter Girl's wardrobe issues, either. She can wear that skirt and those boots for as long as she likes. :)

More importantly, he didn't kill him because it would have screwed up the plot.

I have never read a comic in my life, so I don't get any of the Watchmen references you guys are discussing/complaining about. but the 9/11 connection was more than blatant, it was undeniably intended. the explosion, orchestrated by one baddie to kill some people and galvanize a movement. here it's lindermann and his agenda, in real life, bin laden and his agenda.

I also wondered why mohinder didn't bash Sylar's head in, and how the fuck he got a dead body in a cab across town. but oh well, minor quibbles.

as for the show being overrated, as some have said, look how popular it is! there are very few shows on TV right now that are both highly rated, and highly respected. Sopranos and a couple others. and on network TV? forget it. Heroes may not be perfect, but in the age of reality TV shitstorms, it is amazing there are still enough people with brains enough to clamor for entertainment like this. overrated? no way. a show like The Bachelor, where people get to jack off to women crying after being dumped, THAT'S overrated.

we need heroes, and we need Heroes.

Pete is such a small guy, I'm sure super strong Mohinder had no problem lugging him around. And people with pieces of glass stuck in the back of their heads are a dime a dozen in NYC...

Looks, like it should be interesting next week.

Also, Isaac? I've been waiting for him to die for 4 months. It was painfully obvious that he was not long for this world... His painting showed as much. His death is pretty underwhelming as well.

Perhaps letting the audience in on all the plot revelations doesn't work ALL the time... Herc's right, we do know entirely too much to be affected in any real way by many of these plot developments.

isn't it safer to assume that Future Hiro is waiting there, piecing together info, to find the best place to go back to, or the best course of action, when in walks old Hiro (and Ando).

wait, that doesn't work either...FUCK, where is chrth?

That said, I disagree about Isaac. It wasn't about shock there. His death was all about how he was going out. He knew just like we did that he was going to die. He didn't do anything to prevent it, but he did prepare for it. There were a few things hinted at during his death scene that I think will come back to be of major importance in later episodes when the confrontation between Sylar and everyone else comes to a head.

Spoilers below.

This is the latest Heroes comic, and future Hiro explains what was going on with the strings. They are Hiro's timeline where he is trying to stop the bomb and the whole screwed up future. Sylar was the man who exploded. He had killed Claire and could regenerate, so Hiro couldn't stop him. Hiro told Peter to save Claire, thinking it would stop the explosion. Claire was saved, but nothing changed...enter old school Hiro.

MAYBE he'll be incapacitated, only to break out next year... still though, how many times can they do that?!

And Sylar, much like every other ability stolen, will try and use Isaac's painting ability to find everyone else from the list. He's sort of has a one track mind...

1. cataracts. on the show, they indicate incapacitation or posession (isaac), not death.

2.he got stabbed in virtually the same place as Claire did, and she regained consciousness as soon as the thing was removed.

3. if the writers actually wanted you to think, "wow, maybe Peter's dead, etc." do you think they would have brought him back to life 10 minutes later? no, they would have stretched it at least til the next episode.

I think it happened as a catalyst for Nathan, to increase the connection between Clair and Peter, to get Mohinder freaked to the point of calling HRG (which ended up being eric roberts) and to show that Peter is vulnerable in the same way that claire is, in the brain/brain stem.

no way would anyone watching the show more than a few episodes really think Peter was going to buy it. and no way would the writers not know that. it was simply a device.

I noticed your statement about getting into bed with the wrong men, too and thought "how odd, that's two women in talkbacks in less than a week." Of course, since I'm a whopping 30 years old, I'm probably an outlier here too.

I'm having a hard time figuring that one out. So, for now, I'm not putting too much weight on details of what he saw (especially since if you read the new online comic--which is canon and where they introduced Hana and revealed Linderman's power and connection to the Petrelli clan--we now know that Sylar is actually the dude that blew up...or at least Hiro thinks so and it makes sense with what appeared to be a dead Sprague when Hiro jumped to the future the first time.)

Personally, I think the dream was some weird effect caused by the island. Oops. Wrong talkback.

Only kidding. Though that is the type of thing I typically hear when playing games online. It's nice to see I'm not the only one who isn't 15 years old around here.

and anchorite, you see what happens? I agree with you on something, not even related to anything remotely political, and 3 minutes later, I get branded a right-winger! guilty by association, lol.

God, that felt so good to get off my chest.

"Why wont you die!?

"You first."

And about all this allegory stuff - just because an event or series of events is in our collective consciousness, doesn't mean that drawing on it indicates your story is a straight allegory. This is the trap so many people fall into with Battlestar Galactica. As many people have stated, the notion of faking an attack to bring people together is an old concept, but it has extra resonance after 9/11 with the various conspiracy theories. Just as rigging elections is a very old concept, but it has extra resonance because of fears and criticisms around our recent elections. Just because you evoke those concepts, doesn't necessarily mean you're trying to do a 9/11 allegory. I guess my original point was that it's interesting that these concepts are re-emerging so often lately. What I'm looking at is more about the effect of these stories on the viewer, and not necessarily the intent of the writers.

fuck, that was a long sentence! to make up for it, I'll give you all a great trivia question...

What person is the subject of more public statues in the United States than any other historical figure?

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Sacajawe a! isn't that interesting?

OK, I'm done.

Oh, and Hiro can't save Isaac... He can't change the past, as we've learned with that cute waitress, Charlie.

Heroes is way better than Firefly.

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its just tv for goodness sake, yeah sylar was distracted thats how mo got the drop on him. when sylar did his bullseye trick, pete could have / should have easily dropped to the ground or used his telekinetic power. really folks we could argue about this all day. amd hiro cant kill him on the toilet, too nig a change in the timeline.. he couldnt save wiki gal remember. im a grown man of 33 and i'm arguing over stupid stuff. id much rather nathan bang claire. daughter or not, you would though wouldn't you. and obviously mama petterlia and linerman know each other, they're old school heroes. // shoudl not post after drinking

All IMHO of course people. :)

So, I haven't seen the previews for next week, but I see people saying that we might get a "Days of Future Past" type episode? That would be phenomenal, I would love to see how Future Hiro's adventures in time and alternate timeline played out.

It's "Days of Future Past" meets "Watchmen". Sorry but considering I've read both those stories multiple times well, I'm out. Call me if they get an original idea (or at least an original take).....

ooops, I mean kill American Idol, Kill Fox

or maybe it should be kill fox, save the world

i dunno, sounds lame now that I typed it.

and what do you guys think of the tv show The Riche$?

and to make this comment tb relative, I really believe that when Nathan Patrelli says "I'm the most special person there is" he is non other than Sylar who once said "I always knew I was special" come on people someone agree with me here puhleeeez.

on other topics, some times I swear to god that I'm psychic, i dream things sometimes, and they happen in a way of sorts

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