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Herc Deems DRIVE Fox’s
Best New Series In Years!!

Herc praising a Buffy Alumni's new show? by King Sweyn Forkbeard	Apr 15th, 2007 04:40:01 AM
What. A. Shock.
Fillion by optimus122	Apr 15th, 2007 04:40:46 AM
I will watch this show but with fox , minear and fillion together it will most likely be a short drive..
Minear never worked on Buffy by Hercules	Apr 15th, 2007 04:41:54 AM
Word to your mother.
Kevin Alejandro.. by bob oblaw	Apr 15th, 2007 04:43:04 AM
DAMN!!
Enough with the overstatements by DynamixRo	Apr 15th, 2007 04:52:37 AM
The Sarah Silverman Program, Andy Barker P.I., etc. I saw the first two episodes of "Drive", they're pretty good, but there's definitely room for improvement. And technically speaking, Prison Break can be considered a far superior FOX new series(although it sucks now). So let's just wait and see how "Drive" will play out. I for one think its chances of a pick-up are slim to none.
The correct quip would be by Peter Venkman	Apr 15th, 2007 04:53:16 AM
"Herc praising a Whedon Alumni's new show?" What. A. Shock. Word to your mother, brother.
Herc noooooo you've doomed this show! by Boondock Devil	Apr 15th, 2007 04:55:46 AM
Crossing my fingers here and hoping that Minear finally has a series that goes into a second season. Could always retitle it Seventh Heaven and sell it to the CW?
Sounds OK by supertoyslast	Apr 15th, 2007 04:59:37 AM
Would make a great 13-episode mini-series. But a full-on series which would be forced to stretch things out for five or so years if it's successful? I just don't see that much mileage in the format (sorry).
Well, it'd be pretty fucking hard ... by darthuser	Apr 15th, 2007 05:07:39 AM
... to find any American TV series without at least one Whedon alumnus on it, wouldn't it? "The Shield" has three ex-Whedons on its writing staff alone. As for "best new Fox series in years," I haven't seen "Drive" yet but it wouldn't shock me to see it live up to that statement. You'd have to go all the way back to 2004, when "House" premiered, to find a new Fox show I could stand to watch.
The first 2 episodes were really good by ChorleyFM	Apr 15th, 2007 05:27:06 AM
It took a cop out with the first episode cliffhanger, but was very intriguing. It worked surprisingly well, and is something that I'm going to be watching through to it's eventual demise.
anyone besides me want to see a 24/Drive crossover??? by Trader Groucho 2	Apr 15th, 2007 05:30:08 AM
I think Charles Martin Smith could hold his mud under a Bauer interrogation.
It's like Lost by polyh3dron	Apr 15th, 2007 05:31:47 AM
we'll be seeing a lot of flashbacks to discover the motivations of the different characters... but the main story is a CROSS COUNTRY CAR RACE. It's also kinda like survivor how they have specific tasks for everyone to do, like if you;re last place on a certain part you have to kill a contestant and it seems like there will be alliances and all that crap.. So it's basically a little like survior and the amazing race but it's scripted.
It's actually... by polyh3dron	Apr 15th, 2007 05:33:09 AM
a mix between Lost, The Amazing Race, Survivor and Saw.
Reminds me slightly of the show where ordinary people by SickPuppy	Apr 15th, 2007 06:32:22 AM
had to assassinate other contestants. Had a pregnant contestant, if I recall. Can't remember the title, though, haven't had my coffee, yet.
SickPuppy by Boondock Devil	Apr 15th, 2007 06:36:50 AM
Series 7: The Contender. The host was played by Job himself, Wil Arnett.
Sudden punch to the nads... by Napoleon Park	Apr 15th, 2007 06:45:39 AM
...declared the best new sharp pain in years. * Oh yeah, I've been waiting for a Charles Martin Smith TV series ever since "The Buddy Holly Story". Where's "The Loop"? * Just line "The Nine". * Series ends when bandit delivers the stuffed elephant filled with illegal imported beer with banned nude scratch-n-strip labels to the party in Dallas. * Michael De Louise as Captain Chaos * What happened to the Lost talk-backs? Either of them? * Approximately EIGHTEENTH!!! And, as Alice Cooper said, I like it.
Why even bother? by Osmosis Jones	Apr 15th, 2007 06:47:35 AM
You KNOW it'll film a dozen episodes, air six of them, get cancelled, and come to DVD in a "complete series" set six months from now.
The girl with Fillion in the car by optimus122	Apr 15th, 2007 07:08:00 AM
I find her strangely attractive..am i nutz?
Tune in next week for the NEXT "Best Show on TV" by Mullah Omar	Apr 15th, 2007 07:17:42 AM
Talk about hyperbole. Last week, Andy Barker was the "Best Sitcom on TV". At this rate, a few months from now every show on TV will be "The Best" at something. Herc, you are wearing out the term and diluting your own recommendations.
You are late with the review, Herc by Toby___Wong	Apr 15th, 2007 07:31:55 AM
I would have expected you to be earlier with the review since the show has Whedonverse people involved. As for the show. It's promising and the concept is ok, but it shouldn't last more than one season because you can only stretch it so much.
Herc blindly praising anything Minear touches? by Sledge Hammer	Apr 15th, 2007 07:54:58 AM
Wow, that's almost as rare as Harry madly pimping for Tarantino, or Moriarty writing really shitty and derivative anthology horror hour-longs for cable. Who woulda thunk we'd ever seen something like that, eh?
I'll definitely give this a go by photoboy	Apr 15th, 2007 07:57:29 AM
Everything Minear has done I've enjoyed so I'll want to see this!
By the way... by Sledge Hammer	Apr 15th, 2007 08:02:34 AM
...not ragging on the show, just the rampant hyperbole.
Osmosis is right. by brattain	Apr 15th, 2007 08:12:50 AM
I keep thinking about Day Break, The Nine, Reunion, Invasion, and other shows I started to watch that were dumped in the middle. Maybe some of them deserved it based on quality, but I have to wonder if it is worth my time to start watching another post-Lost drama.
Well, we'll see what happens... by DanielKurland	Apr 15th, 2007 09:04:20 AM
I love Minear, and I'll give this show a shot, but you know how FOX has treated him in the past. Granted ,this does sound like his most accessible show. I just hate watching a new show, starting to love it, and then find out its gone. I fear this is going to happen to Raines, which has been surprising the hell out of me at how enjoyable it is.
Spoiler Warning by Mahaloth	Apr 15th, 2007 09:07:22 AM
My wife and I just finished watching it. Well, it's okay. Nowhere near as good as Firefly, but as good as Wonderfalls. It seems like it may have more mass appeal than either of those shows. I think Amy Acker should have been the lady with the baby instead of Fillion's wife. Spoiler: When they revealed the truck driver had his wife in the back, I cried out, "Lame!" Then again, when the daughter comented on, "blasting off into the unknown," both I and the show cried out, "Lame!" I really should have seen the connection between Corrina(sp.) and the girl at the start of part two. We liked it. We'll keep watching, but they can't expect us to wait 7 years to see who wins? Can they?
if herc likes it it means it by themidnighter23	Apr 15th, 2007 09:20:51 AM
if herc likes it it means it will get cancelled in couple of weeks
Good thing they scheduled hour 2 against The Sopranos by tonagan	Apr 15th, 2007 09:25:02 AM
Thanks, Fox. (And yes, I do know about Tivo. It's just not the same.)
Save Drive! by SPECTRE Agent	Apr 15th, 2007 10:11:22 AM
C'mon people, you know the drill: we need to get a petition going asap to save this sucker!
I'm watching just for Fillion and Charles Martin Smith by The Funketeer	Apr 15th, 2007 10:26:10 AM
I've like everything I've seen of Fillion so far and it's good to see Charles Martin Smith doing something with a higher profile again.
Does anyone else not understand the NY Times by slder78	Apr 15th, 2007 10:29:13 AM
review that Herc put up there? I read it three times and I still don't understand what the hell they're talking about.
slder78 by kyle051554	Apr 15th, 2007 10:39:55 AM
Yeah, I didn't get it either. As for the show, I'm gonna give it a few weeks to see if it gets canceled or not, then I'll just download the first few episodes to get caught up. No need to get into a show for Fox to just pull it later.
Oh shit, really? by JohnnyS2	Apr 15th, 2007 10:56:42 AM
I am excited for this show and was ready to log on to the 'Net and see the hate spewing freely today. Surprisingly, I haven't seen much of that. Even more excited tonight.
This show looks like crap. by JKrow21	Apr 15th, 2007 11:12:39 AM
like shit.
Herc Loves It=Kiss Of Death For DRIVE. by janitorz	Apr 15th, 2007 11:28:41 AM
I bet it's right up there with Wonderfalls and Andy Barker.
Phew! Thanks guys. by slder78	Apr 15th, 2007 11:35:10 AM
I thought for a moment that i forgot how to read english. Whoever wrote that NY Times review must be real fun at parties.
Exciting by fatsackowind	Apr 15th, 2007 11:40:12 AM
Nice to see a new Minear series that Fox actually bothered to promote.
So my guess is the show really sucks by MrD	Apr 15th, 2007 11:46:51 AM
And Herc is endorsing it specifically to get it cancelled?
That NYT writer has had other reviews by ChorleyFM	Apr 15th, 2007 11:48:40 AM
on Coaxial before, and each time it is bloviated nonsense. The person seems to overwrite everything until it gets to the stage where it is unreadable (and his editor mustn't care).
Heyy, Jubal Early's back... by redtom	Apr 15th, 2007 11:54:48 AM
..."little man loooved fire" heheheh...
not good by BetaSword	Apr 15th, 2007 11:57:56 AM
I don't think it is a good idea to include X-Files, in a list, that is used to help him, because it has the wordt ending i've ever got: We'll be overrun by aliens, and we won't be able to withstand them! MAN, AFTER SEEING THAT ENDING, I THOUGHT LIKE: "GIMME BACK THE DOZENS OF HOURS OF MY LIFE!" Because the Ending stated like: All what happened was useless after all!
Ok Herc I just set up a Season Pass by OGREISHERE	Apr 15th, 2007 12:22:22 PM
Dont screw me.
I liked it. It's no Firefly... by themikejonas	Apr 15th, 2007 12:27:29 PM
But it bounces along fine, and Nathan Fillion makes it work (couldn't imagine this show with Ivan Sergei instead). The car sequences are pretty cool, too. And who's that with the "no humor" review? The show has a crazy lady with a plastic baby!
Well.. by Banditmania	Apr 15th, 2007 12:29:28 PM
It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad pilot.
Why is it that everyone only remeber the crappy ending by Lovecraftfan	Apr 15th, 2007 12:59:32 PM
to X-Files. Everyone seems to forget the brilliant many many seasons with many episodes that had nothing to do with the mythology. Season 3 of X-Files is still some of the best TV ever. 2,4 and 5 are pretty good too.
This thing's gotta be really expensive by R James	Apr 15th, 2007 01:05:09 PM
The cast is huge. If it doesn't catch on right out of the gate, it will probably get canned quickly.
Excuse me, he's a ROGUE landscaper by BitterMan23	Apr 15th, 2007 01:05:40 PM
Also thanks for giving the show the kiss of death by saying you loved it Herc
Re to Lovecraftfan by BetaSword	Apr 15th, 2007 01:24:08 PM
Well, it's because the Ending makes the whole Series and the storyline pointless! Actually, i was one of those "Fans", who liked watching this, but that crappy ending was something to puke on! And it was like making hope for a good end, as Mulder and Scully haven't died. If they let them die and letting other Characters go into their place, then it might have been ok for a Stupid-Bad - Ending, but NO, it was all a waste-of-time in the end. And if a producer wants to resurrect that series, he should make shure to include a Happy-End, or he might state, that this playd in the world of "War of the Worlds", before that story begins.
Don't know what's wrong with the NYT review... by redtom	Apr 15th, 2007 01:41:02 PM
...all its saying is that Drive is one big commercial for a few car companies - which it is, right enough - this is where it became mainstream folks, this is where we accepted the blurring of the lines between the show and the ad-break, constantly bombarded with sponsor messages... as Homer is wont to say, "In your face, suckers!" but I liked the pilot, although crazy lady has to go, and quick...along with those 3 stupid cheerleader lesbians... and the beautifulsexy couple (nice ass on the ladee though... ) - and of course the nerdy scientist with the annoying daughter, drive them off the road someone please... let's see, who else....... Fillion can stay, but he should slam on the breaks and chuck yer one out the door at the soonest available opportunity... p.s. - and couldn't they do without all the blue/green screen/back projection driving shit, it looks crap, almost as bad as The 4400's "night time" stuff....
This show looks badass! by jojo-pimp	Apr 15th, 2007 02:19:07 PM
Ready to see Nathan Fillion in what may hopefully be a hit show. met him at the Fangoria Weekend of Horrors in Chicago last year..really cool guy. And that girl, Kirstin Lehman or whatever...loved her on Killer Instict....HOTTTTTTTTTT!!
How long does it take to drive cross-country? by Neutron	Apr 15th, 2007 03:03:46 PM
Just curious, if they drive like maniacs they could probably make it in 3-5 days. Season 2: The Return Trip?
Perhaps the race is multi-lapped? by wackybantha	Apr 15th, 2007 03:08:59 PM
But the contestants don't find out 'til the end od season one!!! HAHAHAHAAHHAHAAHAHA!!!!!!!
DRIVE MOVES TO FRIDAYS AT 8 on FOX!!!!! by YotzVonFrelnik	Apr 15th, 2007 03:15:33 PM
Such is the fate of most cool FOX shows. Get ready. Ought to happen around mid-May.
the show is okay, but the road scenes are awful by Charlie Murphy	Apr 15th, 2007 03:17:55 PM
it's painfully obvious that it is the exact same stretch of road over and over. be on the lookout for the overpass in the background and the on-ramp sign in the opposite lane. i shit you not- over and over. and ashok0, i'm currently watching the x-files season 4 and you're right, it's some of the best tv i've ever seen. "musings of a cigarette smoking man" contradicts x-files lore a few times, but it remains, in my opinion, one of the show's top hours. i just watched "small potatoes", the episode where that chameleon guy with a tail impersonates mulder and puts the moves on scully. good stuff... And yes, Herc is right about a lot of his opinions about Drive. The overall mystery is extremely strong, even though i didn't get too much love for any of the characters, save for Fillion's Tully and that blonde chick he drives with. I'll defintely catch hour three tomorrow.
We are watching for Fillion by leesheri	Apr 15th, 2007 04:04:40 PM
and not only because he is a major hottie, or because he is a down to earth normal guy, or that he is a great actor that deserves mad props... well ok those are the reasons. ;) I couldn't believe when I read that he signed a 5 year contract with fox. FOX! The channel that stole the greatest role he ever had. They'd better use him well and cut him a break this time. bastards
Didn't Charles Martin Smith direct the Buffy pilot? by Barry Egan	Apr 15th, 2007 04:34:14 PM
If so, this is a nifty bit of synchronicity.
OH NOES!1! HERC USES HYBERPOLE OMGZ by Fico	Apr 15th, 2007 04:44:57 PM
If you'd actually read what he wrote you'll note he said "*FOX'S* best new series in years," which isn't saying a lot, so it's not hyperbole. Unless you like Prison Break, in which case you are lost at any rate.
Xiphos, Herc said ANDY BARKER is the best show on TV? by splungiest	Apr 15th, 2007 05:14:19 PM
Man, that's fucked up. ANDY BARKER was definitely the best SITCOM on NETWORK TV, but it wasn't as good as GALACTICA, LOST, THE WIRE, HEROES, 24 or VERONICA MARS. Do you have a link to where Herc said ANDY BARKER was the best show on TV? Because if he really said that I'm ditching AICN and getting all my TV reviews from CHUD from now on.
Xiphos, Herc said Andy Barker was best show on TV? by darthuser	Apr 15th, 2007 05:22:04 PM
Do you have a link to where he said that? I've been searching the site and I haven't been able to find him saying Andy Barket is the best show on TV, or even network TV. His most recent top-ten list has "Veronica Mars" in the number-one spot.
If they had cast Burt Reynolds... by Alonzo Mosely	Apr 15th, 2007 05:22:45 PM
I might have bothered...
I watch it. by Red Ned Lynch	Apr 15th, 2007 05:33:40 PM
I decide afterwards. Ugh.
Saw it on Friday by buffywrestling	Apr 15th, 2007 05:53:53 PM
As I said, I thought the premise was a bit lame and I'm the type of person when I heard about a show that had spaceships making drops on planets permeated with people on horseback, I was like "Sweet!". But I have faith in Minear and Nathan is an expressive actor. If he is pissed off, you can feel the heat; if he is dumbfounded, you can't help but laugh. I had good hopes going in. That said, the show fucking flew by. I looked at the clock at the end and I couldn't believe it was over. It did not feel like I had just sat watching a show for two hours. I fell in love with the father/daughter team; they were so encouraging of each other, you'll want to bake them both cookies. There were a few good chuckles and I laughed out loud when Nathan and the chick left the gas station - the music, the cocky looks were a perfect set up for what happens next. I do have the feeling though, that Talkbackers will find fault with the plausability of the show and be unkind. That's okay. This show doesn't feel like rocket science (But it does have a rocket!) and I don't think it intends to be. But there are some outstanding character actors in this that makes it tight. It's fun. And fast. Give it a chance. That goes for FOX as well.V
splungiest and darthuser are correct by Hercules	Apr 15th, 2007 06:04:45 PM
the last time I called something "best new show," it was "Studio 60," back last summer. The last time I called something "best show," it was "Veronica Mars" at the end of last year. I did call "Andy Barker" "best network sitcom," which I think most people understand is a different thing. It means I think "Andy Barker" is better than "King of Queens" and "The Class" and "My Name is Earl," which appear on broadcast networks, but not necessarily "South Park" or "The Venture Bros.," which appear on cable. Similarly, it does not mean I think "Barker" is necessarily better than "Galactica" or "Heroes" which are not sitcoms. Hope this clears things up.
Thanks, Herc by darthuser	Apr 15th, 2007 06:13:08 PM
Sorry to doubt you. It is perfectly permissible to judge different things "best" in different categories. This is why the Oscars have a best adapted screenplay, best original screenplay, best actor, a best supporting actor, best actress, best direction, best cinematography and so on. If you object to the word "best" being used over and over again, you should complain first about every one of the thousands of award ceremonies that hand out dozens of "best" awards each and every year. Xiphos, you should learn to read more carefully.
implausible? by Jack Burton	Apr 15th, 2007 06:15:56 PM
If I can go along with "24" in all it's implausible glory I'm sure I can handle suspending my disbelief for "Drive". Plus it's got Nathan Fillion and that man definitely deserves a hit.
Xiphos by splungiest	Apr 15th, 2007 06:39:17 PM
Learn to fucking read before shooting your mouth off! Sorry, Herc! You still rule!
i give it 6 episodes by jccalhoun	Apr 15th, 2007 06:57:33 PM
should we organize a pool to see how long it lasts before cancellation. I'm just curious how this show got approved. I mean the instant I saw it my first question was, "What's the second season?" Are we supposed to believe that they are still racing across country? Are they going to have to race across country AGAIN? Race across Europe?
Lets not go swapping spit in the showers just yet... by Azazyel	Apr 15th, 2007 07:16:59 PM
Let's meet back after 20 episodes when everyone is cursing a storyline that never gets anywhere or gives any answers. Then, let's come back during season two when we find them in the middle of a world race of champions and complain that the story isn't getting anywhere.
Best Sunday Night Fox drama pilot tonight.... ever! by Napoleon Park	Apr 15th, 2007 07:28:51 PM
On the question of "how does it continue?", how do you continue a shot called "Prison Break" once they break out of prison? How do you do a 25th hour of a show called "24"? This is what Fox does. * On the question of "how will it end", a series finale does not negate an entire season. Okay, I didn;t follow X-files but I find it hard to believe the ending was so bad it removed hours - cumulatively, days or weeks - of enjoyment from your memories. Hey, I didn't really understand the final "Prisoner" and "Twin Peaks" ended on an unresolved, downbeat cliff hanger. Still great shows. * On the question of "Is it worth it to invest in a show that may get canceled?" - ALL TV shows MAY get canceled. that's the risk you take. I loved Wonderfalls and liked Invasion and The Nine. Someone please get the creators to write a novelization of a series conclusion for those shows and I'll read it. But look, I love "Raines" and make an effort to not miss an episode exactly because I know it won't last. (Of course it helps that the crime-solving stories are relatively self-contained and there's no continuity heavy series arc. Well, other than if Raines getting psychological help will cure him of his hallucinations, at which point there's no show. (See, that premise comes with a built in conclusion.) *** Is "Drive" being done real time, showing each hour of the race in an episode? or would that be too derivitice of "@4" and 'The Nine"? Or will it take as long as it takes to tell the front and back stories of each contestant, ala "Lost", in which case the entire series, no matter how long, could be forever locked in one week in spring of 2007. (See how I slipped "Locke"d into a "Lost" reference. I'm that good.)
And introducing... by Banditmania	Apr 15th, 2007 07:30:34 PM
Shia LaBeouf as "Bandit".
The X Files Season 4 finale... by Charlie Murphy	Apr 15th, 2007 07:43:45 PM
jesus christ! i know it's off topic, but the show's been mentioned a few times so far. I just watched the finale, and even though i know the ending isn't true, i still have to give props to chris carter because that was in the top five best episodes so far. if anyone here watched it during the show's initial run, what were your reactions to that episode? did you think mulder was really dead? hmmm... to stay on topic, there's a great car crash at the beginning of drive's second hour that blew me away.
I kinda think that the writers know it's a series. by I Dunno	Apr 15th, 2007 07:50:38 PM
I'll you geniuses who are calculating the time of a drive from FL to CA and wondering how they will be racing for a 7 year run, I'm fairly certain that's been thought of already.
Anyone else think they should use the theme song... by McGsStepson	Apr 15th, 2007 07:51:22 PM
from HARDCASTLE & MCCORMICK? the second one - not the first.
"I don't know, I missed the orientation!" by ProzacMorris	Apr 15th, 2007 07:51:48 PM
That was funny stuff. Fillion rocks!
It's the Winky's guy from Mulholland Drive!... by DanielKurland	Apr 15th, 2007 07:54:16 PM
Pretty good so far. I thought Alan Ruck was supposed to be in this. Was he playing Dylan Baker's role?
i actually don't hate this so far. by v1cious	Apr 15th, 2007 08:01:23 PM
it's pretty damn fun if you don't take it seriously. it should make a nice replacement for Prison Break.
Gracie From JERICHO... by Leto III	Apr 15th, 2007 08:19:18 PM
...she just played the Sinister Waitress at the diner Melanie Lynskey just visited. Thought she got shanked.
the sidekick girl is rough lookin' by I Dunno	Apr 15th, 2007 08:41:07 PM
but the daughter is kind of cute. Statutor-ilicious.
Anybody know the name of the Florida mountain range by SickPuppy	Apr 15th, 2007 08:43:36 PM
that I swear I saw as they drove to Jupiter early in the race?
I'd watch it again... by IJUSTLIKEMOVIES	Apr 15th, 2007 08:54:53 PM
but I can't see how this show's gonna last a full season.
Courtney Love. by I Dunno	Apr 15th, 2007 08:55:37 PM
That's what the chick looks like.
re: looks like by IJUSTLIKEMOVIES	Apr 15th, 2007 08:57:51 PM
The Lohan-A-Like is closer than the blond heroine's resemblance to Courtney Love.
the new mom had sex with Kate Winslet by I Dunno	Apr 15th, 2007 09:00:02 PM
in Heavenly Creatures. Google her, she has great tits.
I enjoyed it... by DanielKurland	Apr 15th, 2007 09:09:03 PM
Minear did a fine job, and I liked it more than I thought I would based on the premise. I wish the one Salazar brother wouldn't say "homes" all the time, and it's discouraging that Dylan Baker is credited as guest starring, leading me to believe he probably won't be sticking around. This show is also broad enough that I could see it doing well on FOX, especially airing before 24. In regard to the comments about how it can last past a season, I'm just worried that Minear has gotten so used to FOX cancelling his shows, he only has a season worth of material planned, because he's not expecting it to go on.
If that guys says by buffywrestling	Apr 15th, 2007 09:20:00 PM
"homes" one more time, I'm going to hit him with my purse. Still, "those thugs were really nice boys." I missed the accident at the beginning of the 2nd ep last time; the chick flying out the back window was sick! And for some reason, I think Corinna is working for the sponsers rather than against them. What other songs do you think they are going to use in this series? I've got five bucks on Highway Star by Nazareth.ö
Not bad at all. by CatVutt	Apr 15th, 2007 09:31:25 PM
It is what it is, and you definitely have to suspend disbelief right off the bat or you're not going to be going anywhere with them, but there's a good mix of characters that could lead to some fun interplay. Fillion's always a joy to watch in the right role, and this is a good one, giving him the chance to alternate aggression the second he thinks he's on to something with confused desperation when he's lost in the maze of this 'race'. "I think I should've shot you" was the line the line that had got me in a spit-take, although the obvious resolution was not only horribly telegraphed, it was a fairly egregious cheat considering the writing in no way earned my belief that she was actually willing to kill anybody anyway. But overall, for now, I'm in for the ride.
It wasn't a bad first episode by TVguy4566	Apr 15th, 2007 09:50:42 PM
I wasn't bowled over, but it has potential. One minor pet peeve. I just wished everyone on the show wasn't so stupid. The clues were easy enough that a fifth grader could figure them out (possible series cross over potential with "Are you smarter than a Fifth Grader?"). Come on! People had trouble figuring out that the Jupiter was not an astromical reference, but Jupiter, FL. They didn't need to give a clue that the Kennedy they were referencing in the second clue was "Cape Kennedy" or Cape Canaveral. Yet most of the of the racers struggled with these clues as if it was the math question that Matt Damon solved in Good Will Hunting. I guess they didn't want to make the audience feel dumb if they couldn't figure out such a simple clue.
DanielKurland by TVguy4566	Apr 15th, 2007 09:53:13 PM
Dylan Baker probably won't make it since his daughter is in the backseat of the two bothers in the opening credits. Obviously they are setting up her ending up with them.
Cancelled or on hiatus within weeks by AlwaysThere	Apr 15th, 2007 10:11:04 PM
My guess.
A show called DRIVE... by blackmantis	Apr 15th, 2007 10:18:04 PM
...should not have such terrible looking process photography. Those driving scenes look about as convincing as those in Hitchcock movies from the 50's.
I'm not so sure by Jackie Boy	Apr 15th, 2007 10:23:45 PM
looked like bollocks to me.
My guess on a second season... by Billyeveryteen	Apr 15th, 2007 10:39:32 PM
Would be all new people. If it got a second season, 'course.
damm you fox by Mr_X	Apr 15th, 2007 10:58:07 PM
you cancel great shows. minner did excellent work on wonderfalls, fillion on serenity. im hoping this one sticks around, but fox you cancelled space above and beyond and kitchen confidential. i can't trust you again. ever.
not getting invested just yet... by turketron	Apr 15th, 2007 11:25:00 PM
Like others have said, with Fox's track record for cancelling new shows, I'm not ready to get on board this yet. I like Fillion, loved Angel, and Firefly, but I don't know... something about the previews for this show seemed super cheesy. I think I'll do hat I did with Prison Break... wait until there are about 10 episodes out before I seriously start watching it. But who knows, maybe I'll get bored one day and watch a few episodes of Drive and get hooked. I'd prefer to take a wait-and-see approach though.
As good as Heros or Lost, my ass. Fillion is cool by warp11	Apr 15th, 2007 11:26:15 PM
I heard the comparisons. No way people are investing the same way in these characters like those other shows. Too campy. But that one nerdy guy with the Lohon look alike was kinda cool also.
Liked the Show... Love Fillion... But... by fanboy71	Apr 15th, 2007 11:35:02 PM
Did anyone else see a missed oportunity in not casting Christina Hendricks as the woman in the truck with Fillion? Who better to play a coniving, is she good or bad, hot as hell, ying to Nathan's yang (wait... I said YANG. snicker!). She would have fit so perfectly, and she is SO much hotter than the blonde chick. But I will continue watching until it is inevitably cancelled by those IDIOTS at FOX. Fux you FOX! I will never forgive you for cancelling Firefly!!! Anyone who likes DRIVE should pick up the Firefly series on DVD. You will not be sorry!
Fanboy71... by DanielKurland	Apr 15th, 2007 11:41:29 PM
You're right, Hendricks would have been great, as opposed to someone who keeps reminding me of Kate, the cop, from Angel.
I prepared to be underwhelmed by underscore_only	Apr 16th, 2007 12:11:27 AM
but damn if it wasn't awesome. Loved it a lot. I'll watch it until Fox inevitably cancels it. Fillion's great, driving scenes are great, Baker's great, Martin Smith is great and the atmosphere's great.
The "Herc Curse" is a myth. by Hercules	Apr 16th, 2007 12:16:34 AM
I've been an early champion of "24," "Lost," "Heroes," "Battlestar Galactica," and scores of other successful series. Each thrives unabated.
Hmmm, wife missing, so join a cross-country race by kabong	Apr 16th, 2007 12:21:20 AM
to find her. Maybe the whole thing is the dream of a "Lost" character. Stop trying to hammer-fit concepts to hybridize the audiences.
That was pretty good by veritasses	Apr 16th, 2007 12:35:04 AM
It's got an odd sort of tempo that they could've fixed in the editing room and they didn't create the sort of hectic tension/sense of desperation I thought it deserved but all in all a fine first two hours. Looking forward to tomorrow.
Herc's by skimn	Apr 16th, 2007 12:46:08 AM
"best new Fox series in years" review, is Herc's best new review in years!!! I keed, I keed.
Mediocre. by JonQuixote	Apr 16th, 2007 01:12:40 AM
I guess that says a lot about FOX if this is the best they've done in years, huh? Certainly the WAR AT HOME isn't bringing in the acclaim. Very LOSTy - except the mystery in LOST wasn't largely predicated on the people with answers just not talking about them. Oh, and the wit and interesting characters helped that show too. But hey, I'm a little intrigued - I think it'll get tired quick though, so hopefully the ratings will be just high enough to justify wrapping the whole thing up by episode 10 or so.
Awesome by Purgatori	Apr 16th, 2007 01:26:05 AM
I love fandoms crossing. I-Man, meet Firefly. Firefly, this is I-Man, another show that died before it's time.
JonQuixote by OfficiousG	Apr 16th, 2007 02:00:38 AM
"the mystery in LOST wasn't largely predicated on the people with answers just not talking about them." Um, I thought that was exactly what LOST was about. (actually, maybe you're comparing Drive to the show Lost where a bunch of ordinary people had to race to checkpoints around the world. If so, I agree)
Will there be a cameo with Burt Reynolds... by mrfan	Apr 16th, 2007 05:11:04 AM
and Captain Chaos? Hell, throw in some Jamie Farr, Marilu Henner, and an ape also.
Hercperbole aside. by The Selecter	Apr 16th, 2007 05:34:07 AM
I missed hour one but caught the second one. It was alright. Since it's a Fox series, it will probably get canned after a few weeks and whatever conclusion they shot will have to be seen in some other form.
Kristin Lehman by SlamHound	Apr 16th, 2007 07:31:09 AM
I am surprised with all the X-Files comments, That know one remembers "Kristin Lehman" the blond girl who partners with Fillion, Played "Esther Nairn/Invisigoth" in the Killswitch episode of X-Files written by William Gibson, you know the Punk/Goth Hacker who the LoneGunman were all hot for.
Thanks SlamHound... by Billyeveryteen	Apr 16th, 2007 08:00:13 AM
That was bugging the shit outta me.
my roomate watched "Vanished" by turketron	Apr 16th, 2007 08:05:13 AM
I watched a few episodes, and it really sucked... but he kept watching for some reason. I laughed when that garbage got cancelled. I hope Drive doesn't suffer the same fate. Like I said, maybe I'll check it out in a couple of weeks when I can d/l a bunch and the show has signs of staying afloat in the deadly waters at Fox.
Cool Drive is a series by kilik777	Apr 16th, 2007 09:03:54 AM
About time Mark Dacoscas and Kadeem Hardison got a tv show. http://tinyurl.com/pv8do
I remember Lehman from "X-Files". by Christopher3	Apr 16th, 2007 09:06:58 AM
Who could forget that mouth?
It's no Gumball Rally, or Cannonball Run for that matte by Pound Sand	Apr 16th, 2007 09:12:54 AM

They've got to have a contingency plan for season two. by dance4days	Apr 16th, 2007 11:05:51 AM
They can't be dumb enough to think they can stretch the race itself out over multiple seasons. I'm guessing season two will either be a brand-new race with all new characters, or it'll take a page from Prison Break and put the same characters in a new situation, related to the first season's race but still different.
HERC, you fall in love with shows to fast! STOP IT NOW! by Spice-Orange	Apr 16th, 2007 11:12:45 AM
its TWO FREAKING eps of a show that copies the likes of Lost and Heroes... and its a mid-season replacement... and its by the same guy who struck out on wonderfalls. now i loved wonderfalls, but it failed on tv. so all this "BEST EVAR TV SHOW EVAR!" stuff is going way too far, and we've heard it WAY TOO MUCH FROM YOU! it doesn't make anything seem BEST EVER if every show you watch is the BEST EVER! do you get me? do you UNDER-STAND-THE-WORDS-COMING-O UT-O-MA-MOOOTHHHUUTHHHH?
"drive for vengeance " by SpikeTBB	Apr 16th, 2007 11:27:22 AM
..needs to be a catch phrase..or a life calling..or a band name. "Drive, you bastards, drive for vengeance!"
DRIVE BOMBS --- by Jbfan15	Apr 16th, 2007 11:32:43 AM
Yeouch -- just in... from Berman at Mediaweek: In series-premiere news, the two-hour launch of Fox drama Drive was stuck in second gear, with a mere (and fourth-place) 3.8/ 6 from 8-10 p.m. Despite the massive promotional hype, Drive only built from week-ago repeats of The Simpsons, King of the Hill, Family Guy and American Dad (avg. 3.5/6 on April 8) by 9 percent. One year earlier, Fox’s combination of a repeat of The Simpsons, a repeat of Family Guy and two original episodes of The War at Home averaged a 4.0/ 7 in the overnights. Here is the half-hour breakdown for the disappointing Drive: 8:00 p.m. 4.0/ 6 8:30 p.m. 3.9/ 6 9:00 p.m. 3.6/ 5 9:30 p.m. 3.7/ 5 Farewell Drive, we hardly knew ye...
For all of you digging on "The chick with Fillion" by zer0cool2k2	Apr 16th, 2007 11:40:16 AM
You should check out the ESPN series "Tilt" from a couple of years ago, about high-stakes poker. Kristen Lehman was great in it, as was Michael Madsen. Eddie Cibrian was in it too, for all you "Invasion" fans. I picked it up on DVD a year or so ago.
kristin lehman by oisin5199	Apr 16th, 2007 12:23:56 PM
has been in a crapload of fantasy and scifi series (just imdb her). I've consistently seen her in shows since X-Files - she was most recently wasted on Prison Break. I only got to see the first hour of this (seeing the rest tonight) but it was a lot of fun and definitely fast paced. That scene in the parking lot where everyone's racing to their cars was fantastic.
My GOD those ratings were bad by polyh3dron	Apr 16th, 2007 12:33:18 PM
3.7/6??? Expect Fox to cancel it after Monday's airing.
Ah shit. Based on the ratings, it's done by JohnnyS2	Apr 16th, 2007 12:35:57 PM
So sad. God-damn it!!
it's no wonderfalls by JackDonkey	Apr 16th, 2007 12:44:49 PM
cause it kinda sucks. People still say holmes? the alqueda in iraq? Somebody dumb enough to rear end a pickup from the 70's with a late model car? Also it's making Nathan Fillon look less cool. I loved Taryn manning in hustle and flow but with the average hair and cloths going on she looks... average, like every other tv/commericial actress. You'd be like she was in that movie, no way that movie kicked ass and she's like just some average character on some tv show. lol the al queda in iraq, I wonder who wrote that line. So that extremely hot chick i can no longer lust over since she's stupid enough to think that. what a bunch of shit.
Yup, they'll replace it with by skimn	Apr 16th, 2007 12:45:46 PM
"Are You Smarter Than A Fox Executive", hosted by Michael Richards.
So a bad ending renders seasons of excellent TV moot by Lovecraftfan	Apr 16th, 2007 12:59:50 PM
Give me a break. I'm sorry to keep harping on this but this is ridiculous. I wasn't a fan of X- Files 7-9. But seasons 1-6 particuraly 3,4,5 are some of the best TV ever. How exactly does a bad mythology end make excellent episodes that have nothing to do with the mythology moot. And the early mythology episdoes are still excellent. Seriously overall X-Files was amazing television period.
Probably dead, but... by CatVutt	Apr 16th, 2007 01:48:15 PM
If it does substantial numbers tonight, there could be hope for it yet.
the return of Jubal Early by oisin5199	Apr 16th, 2007 01:49:21 PM
Fucking awesome. When he was talking to Fillion's character, I kept waiting for him to say, "Does that seem right to you?"
No Thanks by Spotman	Apr 16th, 2007 02:34:01 PM
I tried to get into Drive, but thought it was to contrived. In layman's terms, "I just couldn't get into it".
Missed it by longshot7	Apr 16th, 2007 03:04:11 PM
anywhere they have the pilot online?
Well, I liked Andy Barker.... by SantiagoAtez	Apr 16th, 2007 04:22:39 PM
...but it didn't compare to 30 Rock or The Office. It was good, but not THAT good. Oh well, everyone has an opinion, and that's just mine. At least Herc said that about a GOOD show.
If Fox had faith in this show... by sparkflyer	Apr 16th, 2007 07:00:37 PM
...they would have launched it after American Idol. Just sayin'.
They need to lose the theme song. by I Dunno	Apr 16th, 2007 07:07:46 PM
What's with the shitty, emo theme songs in everything now?
Drive is watchable, not great; I'll keep up with it by Prof. Pop-Cult	Apr 16th, 2007 07:16:41 PM
But the crappy ratings that the Sunday premiere got -- and FOX definitely has been promoting this show. Wow. I'm surprised it premiered so poorly. How many episodes did FOX order for this? I'm already wondering if we'll get the finale and get to see Amy Acker.
Minear rules. by Ellipsian	Apr 16th, 2007 07:24:49 PM
'Nuff said.
DRIVE... 13 episodes by Jim Jam Bongs	Apr 16th, 2007 07:28:47 PM
They are still in production. Minnear hasn't said whether Episode 13 will actually depict the end of the race. (He never clarified this, and in fact it seems like he said the last episode would not.) I'm stunned at how badly the premiere did. The fate of this series probably depends on tonight's ratings. If next week's airing does poorly, too, then I'm afraid to say they may stop production on the episodes they're still working on (presently I'm guessing they're on Episode 9).
That was awesome by leesheri	Apr 16th, 2007 08:08:52 PM
Fillion as a bad ass is indescribably awesome. I liked it last night, but tonights episode made me love it. If you missed it you can watch it on fox.com or myspace.
The Fillion Smirk Returns.... by torpor_haze	Apr 16th, 2007 08:17:54 PM
...don't deny it..
13 Episodes Won't end the race by paulrichard	Apr 16th, 2007 08:18:27 PM
Here's a link to an article where Minear says it. http://tinyurl.com/2w4ofv
the theme song isn't great, but by Charlie Murphy	Apr 16th, 2007 08:52:50 PM
i'm happy to see a show actually bothering to put together a main title sequence. for fuck sakes since lost started the whole "no-credits" bullshit, it's next to impossible to find a new show with a main credits sequence. the only ones i can think of this season were sitcoms, friday night lights and raines. i'll take a shitty theme song over a credits sequence over nothing at all.
if the opening credits song is a problem.. by torpor_haze	Apr 16th, 2007 09:02:56 PM
they should just have different credits for each season, make it unique. That is if it survives. Next week's ratings is going to put that question to rest.
Why do you want an opening credit sequence by I Dunno	Apr 16th, 2007 09:14:53 PM
I love that Lost and 24 don't have any. I wish it was a bigger trend.
Tonight's episode was really great by GregoryHarbin	Apr 16th, 2007 09:44:07 PM
They gave us some cool stuff with Fillion's backstory. If that do that with everyone else, I'm really gonna love this show. Until it gets cancelled.
Monday's Episode #3 by tailhook	Apr 16th, 2007 09:46:03 PM
All i can say is not only yes.. but hell yes. The reveal of the Dodge Challenger along with Fillion becoming the 'real' Alex Tully owned. I could hear Tarantino shitting his pants from halfway around the world.
Damn you viewing public!!! by SPECTRE Agent	Apr 16th, 2007 09:51:15 PM
If ain't about cops solving grisly murders or sexy doctors or domestic sitcoms about ugly guys with hot wives you won't watch!
Fox should do what NBC does with Heroes.. by torpor_haze	Apr 16th, 2007 10:51:17 PM
they rerun the episodes on Fridays on SciFi. I'm sure Fox could pull that off with FX.
first grindhouse now this by radjac33	Apr 16th, 2007 11:27:18 PM
man, america is stupid. fox better move this to a post American Idol or have a Drive week where they show an episode a night
My main worry by tailhook	Apr 17th, 2007 01:06:03 AM
is that they Firefly the show :
This would have made a good summer series by The Selecter	Apr 17th, 2007 03:40:16 AM
...cheap, mindless fun. In its current context, I'd give it maybe six weeks before they pull it. I hope they shot more than one background loop for the interior driving scenes. The same cars keep showing up over and over.
yeah i noticed that too by radjac33	Apr 17th, 2007 03:46:44 AM
ditto. so how many more former whedon-ites show up on this show. i count 4 right now.
Episode 3 has me sold by polyh3dron	Apr 17th, 2007 05:36:43 AM
This show kicks ass. I don't care how few episodes there will be, I'll watch it to the end. I've had bad luck with TV shows I've fallen in love with being cancelled this season.. Smith, The Black Donnellys, Kidnapped and now, inevitably, Drive.
Oh yeah and Day Break by polyh3dron	Apr 17th, 2007 05:37:09 AM
Day Break was the shit.
And speaking of the Black Donnellys.. by polyh3dron	Apr 17th, 2007 05:39:26 AM
The episodes available at NBC.com are getting REALLY good now.. they're putting up a new one every monday night and making it available on itunes the next day.. now there are 4 episodes left.. it's a CRIMINALLY underrated show.
the strangely hot blonde is named by Trader Groucho 2	Apr 17th, 2007 11:17:19 AM
Mircea Monroe. http://tinyurl.com/33775j. oh, and http://tinyurl.com/2ja634.
okay i just totally ate it by Trader Groucho 2	Apr 17th, 2007 11:25:12 AM
mircea monroe is the redhead with the awol army guy. the strangely hot blonde is Kristin Lehman. Early exploitation flick with her to check out: Bleeders, 1997.
I just hope this isn't another Lost/Galactica by ejcarter9	Apr 17th, 2007 11:51:57 AM
And that the writers have a definite series of events, or in other words a Beginning, Middle and End in mind for this show. When I heard the promos for Heros (the ones that say The Last Five Chapters) I thought Oh No, it's going to be over (I'm sure they're just referring to the last five for the season), but then I thought "I don't mind if this is the last five _ever_." Heroes is a great show and if it ends now I'm fine with it. I'm perfectly fine with really great shows that are on for just a year or two as long as that's what the plan is from the beginning. That way everything has purpose, everything moves the story along and there's nothing holding the writers back from doing pretty much anything they want.
The race should end this season by Rumpel Tumskin	Apr 17th, 2007 12:44:34 PM
I think it would be awesome to have a new cast drafted into a new race every season.
I'm a woman and I hate reality shows by leesheri	Apr 17th, 2007 01:05:16 PM
I will try not to take offense to the repeated statements about women liking crap shows. I like Drive, Lost and Heroes. I don't watch crap doctory shows, or reality BS. When I watch TV it is to escape my reality not watch others muddle through it. Sheesh!
Radjac33, if you're still counting... by Ellipsian	Apr 17th, 2007 01:06:35 PM
...you can scratch me down as a "Current (and Probably 'Always') Whedon-ite", thanks.
Wacky Races was more plausable by DarfurOnTheRocks	Apr 17th, 2007 01:26:26 PM
...the driving scenes are ridiculous. How can a Ford Taurus hang with Camero? How can either of these cars be reliable enough to last a cross-country race? Jeez, if I wanted to win this race, I would by a BMW M5 with my AMEX card and set the cruise control to 200 KPH. That car will not break down and will not require you to fill up every 30 minutes like a Muscle car. And if some cutey wants to have a go in her Mustang, I would just press that little M button to unleash 700 BHP. Anything less than a viper WILL get smoked.
Bring´em on by Haunted Tank	Apr 17th, 2007 02:20:01 PM
Only Dick Dastardly and Muttley have a chance to raise the show´s ratings now!
It's women with NIELSEN boxes that like crap shows. by polyh3dron	Apr 17th, 2007 03:49:29 PM
You know it to be true.
Between this and Grindhouse by I Dunno	Apr 17th, 2007 04:27:08 PM
I want to go out and buy a muscle car. I'm not usually so easily swayed by pop culture...
I just love... by trafficguy2000	Apr 17th, 2007 06:48:10 PM
The mountains of north Florida that we saw on last night's episode.
shit by trafficguy2000	Apr 17th, 2007 06:49:03 PM
Cooky noticed 1st! Busted again
mountains by photoginit	Apr 17th, 2007 07:52:21 PM
Do you think the director could have, I don't know not used shots of mountains in the background when driving through florida. It is just little things like that that are annoying.
I want to see a cameo by... by sparkflyer	Apr 17th, 2007 08:13:08 PM
Zsa Zsa Gabor in which she slaps a fake policeman.
FUCKING SUCKS BALLS... by Sappers Forward	Apr 17th, 2007 08:17:09 PM
Just finnished watching this fucking pathetic excuse for entertainment. The writing and acting are so fucking horrible I doubt I could watch another episode. It really sucks balls. Who the fuck thought this was good? Go fucking stick sporks in your eyes. Fuck this sucked.
hey Ellipsian by radjac33	Apr 18th, 2007 01:00:01 AM
Dude...I was counting actors and behind the camera crew, but i'll take your fan count and add one
I tried too by lionbiu	Apr 18th, 2007 03:08:52 PM
I really tried to like it, but it just so god damn stupid. Plus the concept can't even last a full season anyway.
Herc's quote used in TV ads... by Alonzo Mosely	Apr 19th, 2007 08:42:37 PM
He's one of the big boys now...
Worst Thing on TV Ever. by heywood jablomie	Apr 19th, 2007 11:48:31 PM
Are people nuts? This is the hokiest shit ever. Makes absolutely no sense, and the 800 storylines play out like a roomful of terrified writers coked out of their gourds trying to top each other. Good actors like Dylan Baker, Taryn Manning and Mircea Monroe are used like horsemeat. And the greenscreened car scenes look like shit. I'll be surprised if this makes it past Episode Six.
awful. by JacksonsPole	Apr 24th, 2007 01:46:26 AM
herc?! are you serious?! wow. this show is awful. awful. totally ridiculous. but, not in a good way. in a bad way. very bad way...

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