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Ick by Behemoth	Apr 14th, 2007 08:53:57 PM
That review of the banana blade film has made me soil my pantaloons and regurgitate my dinner.
Kinda Sad... by Thorstrongstone	Apr 14th, 2007 09:11:32 PM
Than nobody mentioned any of H.G. Lewis' films. Seriously, do you guys not remember Blood Feast, The Gore Gore Girls, or even 2000 Maniacs? Bravo to Ant for adding Riki-Oh to his list.
The Great Silence... by kafka07	Apr 14th, 2007 09:16:43 PM
...is one of my favorite spaghetti westerns; dark, sad, epic, bleak & beautiful. The Beyond is classic Fulci. Rodriguez's Planet Terror reminds me of Fulci's work a little bit, cheesey, atmospheric, suspenseful, stylish, ridiculous, fun.
Think ATHF will make more than Grindhouse this weekend? by StanTheCritic	Apr 14th, 2007 09:18:17 PM
My vote is yes and it's 877 theaters vs. 2629 for Grindhouse.
Not to mention... by kafka07	Apr 14th, 2007 09:19:12 PM
...the eye-impalement scene in Planet Terror. Definitely alluding to Fulci there. Not done in quite the same slow, torturous way Fulci would have done it, but...
will ATHF make more than Grindhouse? by kafka07	Apr 14th, 2007 09:21:07 PM
Nope
I spit on your grave was good? by Tarl_Cabot	Apr 14th, 2007 09:21:49 PM
Ick tambien
Gestapo's Last Orgy..... by Quake II	Apr 14th, 2007 09:28:54 PM
Is also know as Last Orgy Of The Third Reich & Caligula Reincarnated As Hitler. I posted about this one on the other Grndhouse thread, but how amazingly beautiful is the actress that plays Lise? Wow. She's stunning...near perfect AND naked. A lot.
TOYS by antdevil	Apr 14th, 2007 09:39:53 PM
thanks harry, great fun reading the lists. One correction though... if we're swinging exploitation dicks around - TOYS ARE NOT FOR CHILDREN - thats my 35mm puppy you screened at BNAT... and I'll want it back once you clean your fluid off it !
Look at me, here I am. by The Atomic Worm	Apr 14th, 2007 09:46:59 PM
"Look at me, here I am."
Love the whole Hanzo trilogy by Boondock Devil	Apr 14th, 2007 10:26:05 PM
I don't think I could have been any happier when there was a dvd release of all three movies a couple of years ago.
Quake II by the_nighthawk	Apr 14th, 2007 10:51:09 PM
she's still stunning. http://www.danielapoggi.it/
Damn you Michael Bay by MCMLXXVI	Apr 14th, 2007 11:02:17 PM
Damn you Michael Bay
FIVE FINGERS OF DEATH by Sasha Nein	Apr 14th, 2007 11:08:17 PM
"Why did you save me from those Japanese?" "I just realized what mean guys they are" see it.
Impulse (William Shatner) by wash	Apr 14th, 2007 11:18:27 PM
Where's the love for this flick?
OUCH! by blackmantis	Apr 14th, 2007 11:34:13 PM
Grindhouse was in 10th place this weekend as of Friday. Somewhere, the Weinsteins are weeping.
Anyone know when "From Beyond" will make it to DVD? by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz	Apr 14th, 2007 11:54:59 PM
WTF is taking them so long to release that Combs classic? In some ways I enjoyed it better then Re-Animator, mind you I said in some ways. I did not say it was a better film. I just loved how they explored the whole 3rd eye concept with the pineal gland. Anyway that one makes my list. Maybe you can help get some traction on that one Harry. It's been 21 fucking years since that film was released and all there is is a German DVD release. I want the Anchor Bay treatment goddamnit with all the trimmings of extras. end rant
Five Fingers of Death, yup a classic. by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz	Apr 15th, 2007 12:01:48 AM
I own it along with countless others. Crippled Masters of course. But my favorite Kung Fu grindhouse film of all time as I said before in another Talkback is of course "The Five Deadly Venoms" The sequel was good but the first one is hands down one of the best. My god when I first saw that movie I freaked. I was about 9 years old. What a memory. I own it on DVD and could watch it over and over again with out getting sick of it. "Five Fingers" is up there with it. Great choice!
GUMS ? Was that the one where the mermaid by Mace Tofu	Apr 15th, 2007 12:12:33 AM
sucked you to death? I saw that at a grindhouse with another movie were the lady had a magic snapping pussy but I forgot the title lol.
Harry, you are sociopathic if you find entertainment by Bronx Cheer	Apr 15th, 2007 12:24:53 AM
in watching "barely legal" girls being killed with knives to the vagina. How can you even write about a film like that and then say you love it? Do you ever stop to think that maybe, just maybe, the murder of young women is not the stuff of entertainment? Seriously, get some help.
Bronx Cheer are you a fucking retard? by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz	Apr 15th, 2007 12:57:43 AM
Because the posts you make sometimes sure do lend itself to that theory. The question bears to mind that how would know what "Barely Legal" was about if you did not watch it? Or for that matter even if you did not, what movies do you watch? You mean to tell the entire site here that you've never watched ANY film that had scenes of death in them that you did not like? You ever watch and enjoy a slasher film? You are a fucking liar if you say otherwise. If that is the case why are you on this website? Why? To tell other people they have problems because they like certain types of films? You should really just shut the fuck up and stop sounding like a goddamn retard. The talkback is about Grindhouse films. Usually involving shocking content. Why would you even bother to look at this section if you had no interest? Wow what a fucking douchebag you are.
and what I meant to say in that by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz	Apr 15th, 2007 01:02:18 AM
is that how would know what those "movies" are about if you did not watch any of them. It' late. I am tired. You are still a retarded douchebag.
Grindhouse? More like Empty House. Major failure. by Bronx Cheer	Apr 15th, 2007 01:05:48 AM
From Mikki Finke's Deadline Hollywood Daily: Meanwhile, there was more bad news at the box office for Quentin Tarantino's, Robert Rodriguez's and Harvey Weinstein's double-feature Grindhouse. Not only did the Hard R-rated pic place only 11th its second week out, but The Weinstein Co.'s release dropped a whopping 74% Friday to squeeze out only $1.3 mil from 2,629 venues for a paltry new cume of $16.7 mil. Its per-screen average of just $494 meant the much-hyped movie was playing in near-empty theaters. The most it could make this weekend is $4 mil.
Oz, my complaint is with the entire fascination by Bronx Cheer	Apr 15th, 2007 01:18:20 AM
with this "grindhouse" crap. They're just exploitation films, and most exploitation films are complete shit. Why is it that all of this crap is being held up for praise, for "love," when the truth is the acts in many of these films are heinous and incredibly fucked up. But I guess I am an idiot for thinking that watching new and inventive ways to kill someone is not terribly entertaining. I have seen plenty of shitty movies, and hated them, but at least I have given them their due. And I'll voice any fucking opinions I want. And as for your insistence that I am a douchebag? My friend, it takes one to know one. Retarded people can't help the way they are. What's your excuse? If you want to call me a douchebag, lovely, I am a douchebag. But for fuck's sake, grow the hell up and quit using "retarded" as an insult. You should be able to do better than that. Try some old standbys like dickhead or cocksmoker. Or maybe come up with something original like feline ass bandit. But that schoolyard shit is weak.
Only perfect movies do well in the box office by Boondock Devil	Apr 15th, 2007 01:18:48 AM
Like A Night in the Museum or Home Alone. They made a ton of money as far as the box office goes so they've gotta be great right?
Read these words and objectively evaluate the writer by Bronx Cheer	Apr 15th, 2007 01:24:41 AM
"That said – The method of death – which is “by stabbing into the vagina of the girls with a 14 inch banana blade, binding the girls, leaving them out in the woods to bleed to death from their pussies” – Well – as I said when I wrote this film up originally – it is severely sick. And btw- You didn’t think Eli Roth invented that spot as an entry wound, did you? The film challenges you to keep watching though, because you just want to know… WHY is someone doing all of this? What happened to Solange that sent her into her quiet. What trauma was done, that would inspire a killer to kill who they kill and how they kill? I love it. It is one of my very favorite Giallo movies." That's Harry writing. Or is it Ted Bundy? Seriously, to say that the film "challenges" you is hilarious. And then he ends by declaring his love for the film. The man has some problems, as does ANYONE who can watch a movie like that and walk away from it loving it. Step back, get some perspective, and then go up to your mother or wife or daughter or a nun, and tell her how awesome that movie is, and describe the method of death, and wait for them to share your enthusiasm. Oh, maybe they'll run from you instead.
It's more than a flop by lotusblade	Apr 15th, 2007 01:29:28 AM
It's getting horrible word of mouth. I was at a Friday night showing of this film, in AUSTIN Harry's beloved home town. The majority of the audience left well before the films were over. My friends hated it. They were pissed off after it. They wanted their money back and got "passes," from the theater. Splitting these movies up won't help. The missing footage castrates both films and the acting in Death Proof is just horrible. Nothing the Studio does will fix the castration that was done to the movies and the poor word of mouth received due to it. If people won't spend $8 to $10 on a double feature why would they spend that on them seperately?
Boondock, failure is failure. This is a business. by Bronx Cheer	Apr 15th, 2007 01:29:53 AM
There are plenty of great movies that make plenty of money. And sometimes good films are so poorly marketed that they don't register with the public. And yes, many times, most of the time, mediocre crap makes boat loads of money. That doesn't alter the simple fact that I passed on, that the film tanked, and it tanked spectacularly.
Bronx Cheer by lotusblade	Apr 15th, 2007 01:34:53 AM
It's called a horror movie. Horror movies have their fan bases, and I'd like to think those of us that like them aren't all Ted Bundy types. Now I've seen the movie Harry wrote about and it sucks. It's not a good movie nor is it a good horror film. Your attacks on Grindhouse films are unfounded. There are some gems that came from Grindhouse cinemas. Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Dawn of the Dead, etc. There are good movies in there. It's a shame that Harry and others post a top 10 that mentions truly horrible films...
Lets talk GRINDHOUSE films mothefuckers! by McGsStepson	Apr 15th, 2007 01:46:01 AM
Seriously, if this is a contest to measure who can mention the truly worst and/or most obscure film and justify them as "good" then bravo Harry. But as lotusblade says, there are some great GRINDHOUSE films out there - even if they are more "well known." There are those that are just horrific and yet so extremely watchable and unforgettable, and if that is what you were going for then well Harry, lets make another list. Tom Joad and the other guy below him do a better job illustrating some forgotten but good classics even if they mention such Grindhouse stalwarts as I SPIT ON YOUR GRAVE or CANNIBAL HOLOCAUST - as opposed to Harry who is clearly going for the "I've seen this and you haven't...." slant.
Boondock Devil and the Box Office by lotusblade	Apr 15th, 2007 01:47:40 AM
Well lets see here... it's a flop. It bombed horribly. It's Tarantino's worst box office performance ever for a major release. In fact it likely won't even match "From Dusk Till Dawn," the first Rodriguez/Tarantino grindhouse homage. It may well be Rodriguez's worst box office performance as well. Sharkboy and Lavagirl was a much better performer. Now maybe it will take a Pulp Fiction like turn, and slowly build up steam, but I seriously doubt it.
Anyone mention Detroit 9000? by 12-GAUGE	Apr 15th, 2007 01:52:48 AM
Can't recall. Caught that one when Quentarantino put it out via Rolling Thunder. Good stuff.
lotusblade, that's my point by Bronx Cheer	Apr 15th, 2007 01:56:02 AM
Because "Grindhouse" is oiut, all of a sudden we hear about grindhouse films almost like they are their own genre. If it's a horror movie, call it a horror movie. If you want to just make a list of really fucked up movies, then go right ahead, but to label them as "grindhouse" denegrates what you so accurately point out as great examples of genre filmmaking. I have noticed a consistent pattern in people's list of favorite "grindhouse" movies, and it seems like half of them are the sort of films like this vagina-knife movie. Yeah, let's spend ninety minutes watching girls get sliced up. Grindhouse! This whole grindhouse bandwagon scheme is lame. And I especially love the exclusionary attitude in the "you weren't there you have no idea what a grindhouse was" sort of logic. Geek elitism.
lotusblade by Boondock Devil	Apr 15th, 2007 01:59:38 AM
My whole point with the box office is that it's such a damn pet peeve for people to use it as evidence that a movie is good or bad. I never said it was making a lot of money (still have a feeling it'll make some of it back with dvd sales). I just feel it's a weak argument to make to justify it for being a horrible movie. Serenity anyone? Completely tanked at the box office but I'd say more than enough people would probably say it's far from a bad movie. Hell, if anything it's a self-fulfilling prophecy. It's a grindhouse movie. How much money did the real grindhouse movies make back in the day?
If you don't like geek elitism by R James	Apr 15th, 2007 02:03:53 AM
Then this is really the wrong place to be. Seriously, this site is a place for geeky guys and closet geeks to show-off and have fun. Go away, wet blanket.
I'm an old fart. I went to theaters with unspeakable by Bronx Cheer	Apr 15th, 2007 02:04:33 AM
horrors stuck to the floor and smeared on the seats. That doesn't make me special. It sure in hell doesnot make me a cineaste. It is a clear indication that I had suspect taste, or that I was a kid. I'm not a kid anymore. I don't feel the need to excuse myself for that fact. I don't watch Beany and Cecil any more, and I no longer rationalize away shit movies. And I don't excuse brutal misogyny masked by film appreciation. Welcome to the 21st century. It's no longer okay to batter our wives, men. It's no longer okay to punch our mothers. But you know, I think I read somewhere that sheep fucking's still okay. Thank god for that, because we'd have no fun left at all anymore.
I see your point Bronx by lotusblade	Apr 15th, 2007 02:10:41 AM
Unfortunately "Grindhouse," is a term used for films not given maintstream distribution so these films all fall in that category. What a lot of these lists show is just how deprived the people making the lists are. As for the elitism, Harry, Quint, etc. weren't there for it either. Hell Harry was introduced to Fulchi, etc. well after this website went up. For the "elite," film geeks in Austin, Harry is considered a hack. He acts like he was there at these grindhouses for these films, when in fact he wasn't. The Drafthouse is not a Grindhouse, its just a cool little place (well now multiple places). Harry even tries to make you believe that the Drafthouse and Tim League are the last great grindhouse, etc. Like the drafthouse is original, etc. I'm not sure, but I believe McMenamins in Portland (first theater pub was I believe in 1986 or 87) was doing their thing long before the Drafthouse or anyone else. In fact when the Drafthouse opened in Austin, the first thing I said was "wow just like McMenamins in Portland, complete with oldschool trailers before the films!"
Boondock, calling the film a failure isn't saying it's by Bronx Cheer	Apr 15th, 2007 02:11:25 AM
bad. It's plain english. It failed. Part of a film's job is to be seen. If by and large audiences are not only avoiding it, but apparently rejecting it, then that is a textbook failure. There's no judgment in that. If a surgeon fucks up a brain operation, he failed. It doesn't mean he's a bad surgeon. Everybody fails at some point, actually quite often. As for the flick, "Planet Terror" was a lot of fun, the trailers were 50-50, and "Death Proof" was a mixed bag but ultimately the ballast that kept the film from taking off. In my mind, it was a simple programming screw up. DP should have gone first, followed by PT. Slow start but big finish. And one massive screw up...only one movie should have used the missing reel gag. Rodriguez needs to get Machete made and fast. I'm waiting for it.
There's a theater in Hanford, California that had by Bronx Cheer	Apr 15th, 2007 02:16:22 AM
table service, beers and food, and great shitty films a long time ago too, unless my memory is completely ruined. I appreciate that citizens of Austin love their town. That's admirable. I think civic pride is a good thing. But you also should be able to acknowledge who you really are. It's okay if you're not New York or LA. Neither is the rest of the country. And the rest of the country seems to be fine with that.
Goodnight everybody. I have to go get grindhoused. by Bronx Cheer	Apr 15th, 2007 02:17:36 AM
It's a grindhouse thing. Get grindy y'all.
boondock by lotusblade	Apr 15th, 2007 02:20:41 AM
Well comparing it to Serenity is smart. Grindhouse will likely match it at the Box Office with a total take of $25M. However Grindhouse cost 25% more to make, and had a massively larger advertising budget. Grindhouse will be lucky to break even after DVD sales. Serenity never received the hype that Grindhouse did. In fact Grindhouse was expected by the experts to win Easter weekend and be a big hit. It wasn't. I believe the movie is bad because I saw it, and I saw people leave the movie well before it was over. Which is a widespread concern that the studio even discussed and blamed it on people not knowing it was a double feature (yeah right). People walked out because the joke missing reels pissed off their audience. Everyone I know who saw the movies bitches about it.
Bronx is right about Grindhouse by lotusblade	Apr 15th, 2007 02:29:07 AM
Reviews all said Death Proof was the better of the two for the most part. I think that was due to the fact that the missing reel gag didn't appear to hurt Death Proof as much as Planet Terror. You missed a lap dance, and probably more bad acting at the bar. It was a gift from heaven to miss out on more of that nonsense. Planet Terror on the other hand it seemed like you missed out on some big plot points, the meat of the 2nd act even, which in zombie films is generally the best act. If they reversed the order of the films, and only kept the reel gag in Death Proof they may have done a lot better. It's too late now. If they do split the movies up and add the footage back in like rumored, well... I want Harvey and Bob to give those of us who paid for the castrated versions a free ticket to the new improved versions.
Bronx by Boondock Devil	Apr 15th, 2007 02:29:21 AM
I couldn't agree with you more on the order of the movies. Death Proof going first (probably with a little more editing) would have been the right way to go. I still enjoyed both movies quite a bit either way and hope that they really don't go through with the releasing both movies seperately bit. If anything, save that for the DVDs just so they can fully load them with extras for each movie.
The missing reel gag by Boondock Devil	Apr 15th, 2007 02:33:36 AM
I LOVED the missing reel gag. You really don't miss out on the plot points to Planet Terror because the whole movie is picking up on the whole cliche feel to 80's action/horror films. If anything it's kind of fun to fill in the blanks with your buddies about what the real story behind El Wray is.
the missing reel gag by lotusblade	Apr 15th, 2007 02:46:15 AM
It was more than just El Wray's history. It was how did all those people end up there? It didn't feel like you missed 5 or 10 minutes like in Death Proof. It felt like you missed 20 minutes or more. There was a whole lot missing in Planet Terror's gag. While you liked it, just about everybody I've talked to hated it. As for splitting the movies up, according to some reports it already happened, and it also includes the missing footage.
Who cares? by Quake II	Apr 15th, 2007 03:35:54 AM
I enjoyed Grindhouse. It was a fun time at the movies. If it makes 25 million total...I don't care. I'm not an investor. I had fun, I may see it again and I look forward to the dvd release. You guys act like you financed it. You all hate it so much, yet spend hours bitching about how good it should have been. You won't catch me in the Rush Hour 3 talkback because it doesn't interest me. Why waste your time bitching about a movie that you hate? I don't get it.
Missing reel - DEATH PROOF vs. PLANET TERROR by McGsStepson	Apr 15th, 2007 03:51:53 AM
yeah, yeah, yeah, PLANET TERROR skipped A LOT with its missing reel but THAT'S THE POINT. Rodriguez painted himself into some major holes and cured it with the missing reel. There was no logical way that what was followed AFTER the missing reel could have actually occurred in the narrative. El Wray's backstory, Marley Shelton's character showing up, the babysitters showing up, the strip club manager showing up, the rib joint on fire.... Therefore it was an acknowledged "funny" moment in conveying a deliberately broken narrative. In DEATH PROOF the fucking missing reel was the PIVOT of the fucking movie. AND TARANTINP SHOT THE DAMN MISSING REEL. Check out the trailer. ITS THERE. He is being a purposeful asshole here as to Stuntman Mike's character. Maybe that's good, maybe its bad, but because DEATH PROOF is soooooooo dependent on that background of what a weirdo Stuntman Mike is, for its "success" it hurts the film while actually making it a worthy "recreation" of a GRINDHOUSE film.
It's kind of funny... by m_reporter	Apr 15th, 2007 03:52:36 AM
... how Harry uses vulgarity to make his writing more readable. Anyway, some mighty fine exploit flicks in those lists, and many that I have not yet seen.
no wonder grindhouse failed by darwinwins	Apr 15th, 2007 04:07:17 AM
seriously, most of the people out there do not like these types of movies. there's no reason for grindhouse to have done well.
Movie Name Question by OswaldWasAPussy	Apr 15th, 2007 05:03:13 AM
As a kid growing up it is fair to say I was sheltered, but something that has stuck with me was a film I saw on late-late-night indie TV in St. Louis when I was 12. Why did it stick? First time I had seen "sex", but looking back it obviously wasn't, but still, I was entranced. Only now do I realize it was the exploitation genre I was watching. If anyone could come up with the name I would love to go back and see it again. Here is what I remember, two white convicts escape prison and may be chained together, they stumble on a little shack in the woods where this really old man is living with his teenage wife. The cons, being horny as hell, break in and attack the guy and rape the girl. They eventually leave and get to the "nice" con's girlfriend's house were they clean up and the "bad" con rapes the girlfriend behind his buddy's back. And....that is all I remember because I heard footsteps and I knew I would get my ass kicked if I was found watching it. Sorry for the lack of descriptors, but that is all I have. This movie was probably made in the early to mid 70's and was american made, or so it seemed. I know one of you pervs has to have seen it, help a brother out.:D
Some movies that I'm sure not if I could really call... by LHombreSiniestro	Apr 15th, 2007 05:11:16 AM
..."Grindhouse", but they make me say "GAWDDAMN!!" just the same. These are movies I show everyone I ever meet in my life who decides to engage in friendship or any kind of relationship with me. If you like these, then I like you. Pretty much all of these have been mentioned at one point or another on this site, as I've been reading this site since I was a wee tween, and Harry & co. have helped shaped my interest in movies, so I feel I got a right to say something...and alot of the ones mentioned already are favorites, so I'll just state ones not mentioned. "Lady Terminator", is at first a batshit nutty hybrid of the Terminator and Indonesian folklore; but it also has some impressive as hell stunts that make it rise above pedestrian knock offs. It's downright jawdropping some of the shit they get away with. It blew me away. As did the fact there's a coochie snake that turns into a dagger. "Silent Night, Deadly Night" is a sheer pleasure to me. Bold as fuck and consistently entertaining throughout. I just love love love it. "Short Night of Glass Dolls". Aldo Lado movies have to grow on me, while watching them I squirm and get restless, but when they end, and I return them to Netflix, they always stick with me. I especially loved this movie when it ended. "Nightmare City", I programmed this for my college's cinema association EXPLOITATION WEEK in honor of GRINDHOUSE (nobody showed up to that either), and I just love it dearly. It's a tacky, gory, blouse ripping delight. And I showed it in a college! "Murder Rock". What if Fame and Flashdance were remade as a Giallo? That's the kind of sleazy producer talk that makes for BADASS TELL YOUR FRIENDS ABOUT IT movies. Whats odd is that it's Fulci, but there's literally no gore to speak of, instead, the killer uses a hair-pin and punctures the naked breast of their female victims. The effect is all the more visceral because you can't SEE the damage being done. Also contains a dance sequence directly ripped off from FLASHDANCE that honestly made it hard for me to stand up without a pillow covering my front. "Ms. 45" I don't really consider this a Grindhouse movie, but it was on the 42nd Street Forever compilation, so I'll include it. there's so much atmosphere in this movie, so much dread and silence that matches the deaf protagonist. Some things in it fall flat, but not Zoe Lund. It's a similar story to THEY CALL HER ONE EYE, but I liked this one better, maybe there was something about the early 80s slicked back hair broad shoulder leather chic change that Lund undergoes in this movie that makes it palatable to me personally. I don't apologize, I love this movie dearly. I nearly cried when she takes the dog out for a walk. "Demons" Sick and disgusting, but any movie that contains a scene in which a guy riding a motorcycle wielding a samurai sword, cuts through demon zombies in a movie theater, whilst a helicopter crashes through the ceiling gets points from me. "Tenebre" I love nearly all Argento, but this one feels the most Grindhouse-y to me (I dont consider Suspiria grindhouse-y at all), whatever that means. It's nutty, inegenious, absurd, but also awesome. The axe-scene is a classic. As are the plot twists. And all the murders. And the Goblin soundtrack. "Don't torture a Duckling". Contains an extremely brutal beatdown of a woman falsely accused in the middle that seems to come out of nowhere. Also very interesting as a rural gialli. And the revelation of the killer had me going "this is fucking awesome!". As did the gratuitous cliff scrapping of face scene. Was also in "Seven Notes in Black", which I also love. "Blood and Black Lace" If someone can mention something as far back as SHOCK CORRIDOR, then I should be able to mention Bava's best and the first true gialli. The colors make this movie, as do the beautiful victims. As do the various improvised murders devised by the killer/s. I love this movie to no end, just a delight. "Policewomen". I also showed this at my college a few weeks ago for EXPLOITATION WEEK. Just a fun fun movie with a beautiful leading lady and some funny dialogue. I realize I mostly mentioned Italian movies. Titles I love mentioned in the articles: Rolling Thunder Django City of the Living Dead The Beyond Black Belt Jones Cannibal Holocaust Death Race 2000 TORSO! Thriller: A Cruel Picture The Night Train Murders Coffy
not deaf, mute. by LHombreSiniestro	Apr 15th, 2007 05:13:45 AM
Zoe Lund isnt deaf in "Ms. 45", she's mute, my bad.
Oh, and also "Buio Omega" aka "Beyond the Darkness" by LHombreSiniestro	Apr 15th, 2007 05:16:47 AM
Have to throw that one in.
Oh no! He said Grindhouse! by DerLanghaarige	Apr 15th, 2007 05:24:25 AM
Moriarty fist must hurt from punching all these babies...
Please Help!! by TopHat	Apr 15th, 2007 05:38:12 AM
I remember a film I watched on cable a LONG time ago that involved a scene where a man was taken by some scientist and rebuilt, then scientist sent in a sexy nurse to fuck him, and while she was fucking him, he rips off his restraints and fucks the living HELL out of her, when he's finished the scientist says something like "he's ready", I laughed my ASS off!
Grindhouse will make it's money by DirkD13"	Apr 15th, 2007 06:11:58 AM
I think it'll do great DVD business, it's a tailor made "beer and chips with the lads" type of film and will undoubtedly find it's audience there.
Grindhouse is abysmal failure at box office by The Decider	Apr 15th, 2007 08:35:10 AM
Meanwhile, there was more bad news at the box office for Quentin Tarantino's, Robert Rodriguez's and Harvey Weinstein's double-feature Grindhouse. Not only did the Hard R-rated pic place only 11th its second week out, but The Weinstein Co.'s release dropped a whopping 74% Friday to squeeze out only $1.3 mil from 2,629 venues for a paltry new cume of $16.7 mil. Its per-screen average of just $494 meant the much-hyped movie was playing in near-empty theaters. The most it could make this weekend is $4 mil.
jfp2006, when you put it like that, I understand. by Bronx Cheer	Apr 15th, 2007 08:56:17 AM
I was wrong, you're right. I need to go find a tree to hug. Hand me a tissue. I'm going to cry.
a classic grindhouse double by Jme	Apr 15th, 2007 10:10:50 AM
ASYLUM OF SATAN and DON'T LOOK IN THE BASEMENT... jfp2006: you are a fucking riot, i wish we could hang out dude lol
I want to start the Grindhouse Party and nominate by Bronx Cheer	Apr 15th, 2007 10:24:56 AM
Harry as our Presidential candidate because he's so...grindhousian. And when he wins the election in 2008, our party will rename the presidential residency the Grind House. The Annual Easter Egg Hunt on the Grind House lawn will be replaced with the First Annual Grind House Spunk Hunt wherein barely legal young "women" will roam the halls of Congress looking for that key component in the floor covering of grindhouse theaters. The young girl who finds the most spunk will be gang-raped by the House Judiciary Committee and killed by repeated gavel blows to the vagina. The Vice President will be Roger Corman. Secretary of State is Russ Meyer. And the Secretary of Defense will be Steven Seagal. The capitol building will be moved to the Alamo Drafthouse, and history will be rewritten so that the Alamo will be a win, not a loss, for Texas. And the vote will be taken away from women and any citizens who make less than $200,000 a year. And Manhattan Island will be turned into a prison, and Kurt Russell will be the host of the latest reality show, "The Real Escape from New York." At the start of every episode, a studio audience will greet him by screaming in unison, "I THOUGHT YOU WERE DEAD!"
jfp2006, if the word of mouth is so great... by Atticus Finch	Apr 15th, 2007 10:26:20 AM
...why did this turd only average $494 per screen in its second week? And I doubt the crowds you saw it with were "cheering" as much as you doubt that other crowds were leaving the theater. You are just trying to validate a film that you think makes you cool to like. Face it, Grindhouse was a failure in pretty much every way, except, of course, at AICN, where if you give "pwesents" you'll always get a glowing review!
It's interesting to seem to enjoy films where... by rbatty024	Apr 15th, 2007 10:27:14 AM
women get killed in misogyinist ways. I liked Grindhouse but could have done without the knife to the cheerleader doing the splits and the Solange film doesn't much interest me either. If a horror film involved an African American who was hung and tied up to a tree I don't think the reaction would be "wow, isn't that awsome!" Or maybe I'm underestimating people's bad taste.
if I never hear the word "grindhouse" again by I Dunno	Apr 15th, 2007 10:28:54 AM
it will be too soon. And I don't mean as the title of the film, I loved the film but as a genre of film. Arrg. What about the silent film era? Those movies where you go to the penny arcade and look in the viewfinder and crank the wheel to watch? That could be the new thing. "That Fatty Arbuckle was so 'Penny Arcade'. Let's jump on that!
Whoops, I meant... by rbatty024	Apr 15th, 2007 10:29:41 AM
"it's interesting people seem to enjoy films where..."
so rbatty024, whenever a woman is hurt it's misogynist by I Dunno	Apr 15th, 2007 10:34:49 AM
but the guy getting his balls chopped off, the guy's junk melting off and the guy who is gang-beaten to death by women is just par for the course? If women want real equality they will have to occasionally take a blade to the vagina.
But Harry... by Vern	Apr 15th, 2007 10:35:41 AM
What if I told you that LIGHTNING SWORDS OF DEATH was a complete failure at the box office, making nowhere near what SHOGUN ASSASSIN made and far less than had been predicted by the accountants who REALLY understand movies? Just kidding bud. Thanks for the "shout out." I think we are on the same page, it makes sense to be nostalgic for those versions if that's what you saw first, but you also gotta check out the real versions. It makes me sad how many times I have to explain to people that there are 3 other movies after that, they have no idea. By the way, you were really collecting 16mm trailers of Asian films at the age of 4? I believe I had a similar collection only instead of 16mm films mine was boogers.
I Dunno... by rbatty024	Apr 15th, 2007 10:43:32 AM
you have to admit that there's a difference between mutilating a white male and raping a woman, who is a part of a historically marginalized section of society, with a knife (note, I didn't just say any kind of violence). To treat rape casually and with such violent glee, I think, is misogynist. For many years women had little to no recourse when they were raped (in fact it used to be legally impossible for a husband to rape his wife so she could never bring suit). Likewise, lynching African Americans and hanging them was socially accepted in America for many years, yet if this kind of violence was inacted on an African American an audience would (rightly) question whether that film was racist, but when a woman is raped with a knife it's the kind of violence we should celebrate?
you know who gets no respect? by Kloipy	Apr 15th, 2007 10:49:01 AM
midgets. anyone can say whatever they want about midgets and no one seems to get upset. fuck all the races, each of them a hypocrites and pussies.
I Dunno has just dropped the greatest line in this TB by Bronx Cheer	Apr 15th, 2007 10:52:06 AM
"If women want real equality they will have to occasionally take a blade to the vagina." Now, that's grindhouse.
And here's a telling quote from Robert Rodriguez by Bronx Cheer	Apr 15th, 2007 10:55:34 AM
"But the two directors didn’t want to just imitate the old grindhouse style, notable not just for excessive blood, sex, violence and gore but also for explosive trailers and strikingly visual posters that, unfortunately, the films themselves couldn’t live up to. "The posters were much better than the movies, but we’re actually making something that lives up to the posters,” claims Rodriguez. “When I tell people that it’s called ‘Grindhouse,’ they think it means a house where you’re just grinding people up. But I’ve been explaining the concept. I think that makes them realize that it will have its shocks, but [it’s] not just relentlessly torturing people and things like that." " source: http://tinyurl.com/2rfvoh
Qt and RR by Kloipy	Apr 15th, 2007 10:58:45 AM
their movies weren't even as close to as bad as some of the first "grindhouse" movies. It was fun as hell. but def. not as shocking as some of the stuff i've seen
Nacho Cerda's Aftermath by Kloipy	Apr 15th, 2007 11:00:25 AM
if you want blade to vag action, check out his short film. Probably one of the sickest things I've ever seen
I nominate I Dunno for the Grind House 2008 ticket by Bronx Cheer	Apr 15th, 2007 11:00:33 AM
"If women want real equality they will have to occasionally take a blade to the vagina." That could be the main platform statement. But this will only work if we can get that sack of testicles as the mascot for the party. Dems have the donkey, Repubs have the elephant, and the Grind House Party has the bag o' balls. I don't think you can beat a bag o' balls.
yes you can bronx by Kloipy	Apr 15th, 2007 11:01:35 AM
with a jar of flaming rectums
Grind House Party in 2008: We've got balls! by Bronx Cheer	Apr 15th, 2007 11:04:40 AM
And fatal vaginal knife wounds. Vote Grind House in '08. Forget about taking back the country from politics as usual. Let's strap some bombs to the chests of babies and blow this place up. And afterward, let's go have some beers and burgers.
Die ! Bronx Cheer I hope you get impaled by by supersize	Apr 15th, 2007 11:05:47 AM
Huge knife up your cunt.Go read godamn entertainment weekly .Yes I'm a douchebag but your a fucking douchebag
Damn it Kloipy, you're right. by Bronx Cheer	Apr 15th, 2007 11:08:50 AM
Can we work some fireplace pokers up in there? Sort of like that scene in Warhol's Frankenstein (or Dracula?) with the spear to the chest and the heart skewered on the end of the spear in glorious 3d? Or is it a jar of inflamed hemorrhoidal tissue?
of cource we can!!! by Kloipy	Apr 15th, 2007 11:11:13 AM
What would it be without it? also we should sew Karl Roves dick to his forehead and watch him roll like a stone
supersize, who called you a douchebag? by Bronx Cheer	Apr 15th, 2007 11:14:03 AM
You're not a douchebag, I am. A retarded douchebag. C'mon, keep the facts straight. And why do you think I'm so passionate about this matter? At this very moment, I am extricating a large rusty machete from my vagina. I'm a little upset about this. Show some fucking sensitivity. How the hell am I supposed to enjoy being gang-raped if my vagina is destroyed. Looks like I'll have to have reconstructive surgery, have a penis slapped on, and become a man. But where will I get my balls from? I know, I can join the Grind House Party.
Karl Rove's forehead is made from the foreskins of by Bronx Cheer	Apr 15th, 2007 11:15:46 AM
Democrats. Why else do you think fis forehead is so damned big? He rubs it from worry and it grows and grows and grows.
On a side note...how many of you have seen Warhol's by Bronx Cheer	Apr 15th, 2007 11:17:19 AM
3D shit in a theater? Now that's grindhousesquian, man.
Vern, you are officially the Grind House Party's by Bronx Cheer	Apr 15th, 2007 11:18:36 AM
speech writer. Keep coming up with that golden stuff.
and his Urethra is made of by Kloipy	Apr 15th, 2007 11:18:54 AM
solid gold dancers of the 70's and 80's
Solid Gold Dancers on Wheels by Bronx Cheer	Apr 15th, 2007 11:21:34 AM
That's QT's next film.
Karl Rove feltch's W's anus with by Kloipy	Apr 15th, 2007 11:27:34 AM
a razor encrusted pvc pipe
Kloipy, you put the OW in Grindhouse. by Bronx Cheer	Apr 15th, 2007 11:31:20 AM
Well done.
Why thank you by Kloipy	Apr 15th, 2007 11:33:04 AM
I'll be here all day!
After Grindhouse is Arthouse? by AvengingFist	Apr 15th, 2007 12:23:03 PM
PAthfinder
BIG LIST OF STUFF. by TiNSeLToWN TeRRoR	Apr 15th, 2007 12:29:05 PM
Hey i collect all genres of movies. And i love B-movies. Here is a list of stuff that i love. No particular order. Some might have been said so bare with me..... DRUNK SHAOLIN CHALLENGES NINJA, INFRA MAN, LEGENDARY WEAPONS OF CHINA, FEARLESS FIGHTERS, THE NEW BARBARIANS, 1990 BRONX WARRIORS, SURF NAZIS MUST DIE, BATTLE BEYOND THE STARS, MASTER OF THE FLYING GUILLOTINE, GESTAPOS LAST ORGY, FRANKENSTEIN VS. BARAGON, DUST DEVIL, I SPIT ON YOUR GRAVE, LADY TERMINATOR, BIKINI CARWASH COMPANY(1&2), GALAXY OF TERROR, HUNDRA, CHOPPING MALL, THE 5 VENOMS, RAWHEAD REX, YOUNG DRACULA (Fulci), URSULAS SISTER (killer who likes to screw his female victims to death with a wooden dildo), ROBOWAR (Bruno Mattei PREDATOR rip-off), PINK FORCE COMMANDO, THE GREEN SLIME, MAD FOXES, FLESH GORDON, DETROIT 9000, STARCRASH, FU MANCHU (ALL), ANDROID, SCANNERS (ALL), CHUD, SHOCK WAVES, RE-ANIMATOR, INNOCENT BLOOD (YES JOHN LANDIS), FOOD OF THE GODS, FROGS, DEATH SHIP, BLACK ROSES, THE ISLAND (M.CAINE), FADE TO BLACK, XTRO, SLITHIS, THE RAIDERS OF ATLANTIS, ZOMBIE LAKE, FORBIDDEN WORLD AKA MUTANT, FUTURE-KILL, ACHTUNG! THE DESERT TIGERS, MESSAGE FROM SPACE, TRILOGY OF TERROR, VICE SQUAD, GORE GORE GIRLS, HARDWARE, ROCK-N-ROLL NIGHTMARE, VAMPYROS LESBOS, TRICK OR TREAT, WITCHFINDER GENERAL, ELSA FRAULEIN SS, MASSACRE IN DINOSAUR VALLEY, VIRGINS FROM HELL.
Where the Hell is Arnold's Wrecking Company? by 2for2true	Apr 15th, 2007 12:37:50 PM
My favorite drug exploitation film of all time. Just TRY and find a copy of this one.
What? Drafthouse the last great Grindhouse? by JustinSane	Apr 15th, 2007 12:50:35 PM
There's like ten different theaters in San Francisco that are REAL grindhouses (complete with really crappy seating - one has couches thrown in with the seats) that have been playing these sorts of movies for decades. Off the top of my head are the Red Vic, the Roxie, the Victoria, the Four Star (the best place for kung-fu double features!) and the Werepad... and trust me, you wouldn't want them to serve you food at these places, either.
fjp2006 by lotusblade	Apr 15th, 2007 01:30:33 PM
Well I'm not a liar, and I point out that Harvey Wienstein has been quoted about the massive number of walkouts. They are splitting the movies up and adding the footage back in. Why do that if people are staying and enjoying the movies?
JustinSane, Harry is crazy for Drafthouse by lotusblade	Apr 15th, 2007 01:35:50 PM
Fact is the Drafthouse is special for Harry. Without the Drafthouse Harry would never ever have seen the majority of films he loves so much. This has tampered with his ability to evaluate the Drafthouse. Just as he can't properly evaluate movies from people who give him pwesents. The Drafthouse isn't even a Grindhouse, it's far, far, far from it. It's a trendy theater pub that shows old movies that Grindhouses used to show that Harry never, ever saw. It's not even unique or original, there were theater pubs doing the same thing before the Drafthouse.
In fairness, many people cheered in the screening by Bronx Cheer	Apr 15th, 2007 01:41:24 PM
I attended, especially at the end of Death Proof. That was last Saturday, in Manhattan, and it was a very receptive group. But there was an awful lot of squirming during those extended dialogue scenes in DP. PT was very well-received. There was a lot to like in both films, but DP had problems. I think if the Weinstein's restore the footage and release them separate, there will be a greater appreciation for both films. But in the order they were in the double feature, it's a death sentence. Switch them around or cut them loose from each other. To put this in terms Harry might use, watching Death Proof after Planet Terror is like having sex with five Thai dwarf prostitutes and then holding hands on a date with your mom. Sure, at the end of the date mom might give you a brisk handjob, but it's a helluva letdown compared to the dwarfs. And who said little people get no respect?
They cheered at the showing I went to as well by lotusblade	Apr 15th, 2007 01:47:18 PM
Even though so many people walked out of the theater, there was cheering, laughing, screaming during the movie. However after the missing reel in PT, there was first laughter then screams of "What?" Then people walking out. Most people walked out when the message that DP would have missing footage as well appeared. I was entertained by the movie, but I understood why people left. DP's missing footage didn't piss me off at all. However not knowing how the twins, the strip club owner, etc. got to the BBQ Joint, or how the Biehn got shot, or the back story on El Wray... that pissed me off. That's like watching Dawn of the Dead and them cutting out 30 minutes in the mall, only to all of a sudden have the mall swarming with zombies.
On missing reels by Bronx Cheer	Apr 15th, 2007 01:59:57 PM
The missing reel gag in PT was funny, and harmless. It was a staple of the film that the story made no sense, so excising the narrative that ended up in the missing reel was a good gag. If it doesn't matter how Rose McGowan can pull the trigger on her machine gun leg, then it sure in hell doesn't matter how characters got to the restaurant. I read something QT said about the missing reel in DP, where he was talking about how obvious the endinjg of second acts are, that it was material that could easily be skipped over and get right into the third act. If that's the rationale, why not skip over all that precious character development aka endless dialogue and cut right to the action? Answer: because QT likes to hear himself talk, and that dialogue is just QT riffing. He LOVES his dialogue like Michael Bay loves blowing shit up. And while I think Jackie Brown is his best film and a great film, and that Pulp Fiction and Reservoir Dogs are great films, this doesn't mean that QT can't occasionally stink the joint up. Regardless, I am going to patiently wait for "Planet Terror: The Musical" to open on Broadway in a couple of years. Let's see them try a missing reel gag then.
Correction: It wasn't QT, it was Rodriguez. by Bronx Cheer	Apr 15th, 2007 02:06:15 PM
I attributed this to QT when it was actually Rodriguez speaking about the missing reel gag: This innovative ersatz editing technique even helped Rodriguez get around a storytelling obstacle. “The late second acts in movies are usually the most predictable and the most boring,” he says. “That’s where the good guy really turns out to be the bad guy, and the bad guy is really good, and the couple becomes friends. Suddenly, though, in the third act, all bets are off and it’s a whole new story anyway.”
GRINDHOUSE was well recieved at my theatre too by Mike_D	Apr 15th, 2007 02:18:46 PM
I saw it THREE times this week and every showing had postiive responses. Everybody liked it. I dont know what the hell is going on at the box office.
I'm sorta/kinda with you, Bronx Cheer by Behemoth	Apr 15th, 2007 02:22:00 PM
I personally hate gratuitous torture/skewering movies, but I'm not going to necessarily label someone a psycho who finds some bizarre enjoyment in watching them. I don't get it, but whatever. Where I found Harry's comments fucking revolting was him saying how the vag-knife film with "barely legal" girls "turned him on." Now that is fucking pathetic and creepy. He's fearlessly honest, I'll give him that. But I think it's honestly fucked up to be "turned on" by something like that.
Was "Kingdom of The Spiders" Grindhouse-esque? by CyberBeavis1326	Apr 15th, 2007 02:28:03 PM
I saw something that used parts of the film while talking about Grindhouse movies. I just got it on DVD from that little bit.
Behemoth, even Harry acknowledges his derangement by Bronx Cheer	Apr 15th, 2007 02:31:30 PM
Harry: "That said. Holy shit she’s an awesomely well put together woman. Yes, I do know the XXX moments are not her. I’m just talking about Christina. She’s stunning and once you see her in this film, if you’re half the obsessive deviant that I am, you’ll idly begin seeking out her other sexploitation pieces. But none of them are anything like this. This is… stunning." What is bothersome is his obsession with sharing his deviant obsessions. I guess it's better we know about it rather than not. This way I know to just keep a safe distance. If I lived in Austin and had a teenaged daughter, believe you me I'd know where Knowles was at all times.
A Question for Harry by LucaCanali	Apr 15th, 2007 02:32:31 PM
Harry, are you sure you mean Lightning Swords of Death and not Shogun Assassin? Shogun Assassin was the first two movies in the Lone Wolf and Cub series edited together and dubbed with a great soundtrack. It's essentially the greatest Grindhouse movie because it cuts out all the fluff, gets straight to the violence. Lightning Swords was the third film in the series, dubbed for the U.S. Not nearly as entertaining, and the dubbing didn't work nearly as well as before.
Walking out... by halfmadjesus	Apr 15th, 2007 02:51:32 PM
The whole "I saw people walk out" point means very little. I saw people walk out of Pulp Fiction two out of three times I saw that in a theater - the simple fact of the matter is that Tarantino and Rodriguez often make films that are not going match up with a lot of people's tastes. Certainly not a large percentage of the same audience who would enjoy Night at the Museum or Blades of Glory. Sometimes people will choose to go see a film based on reviews (both Pulp Fiction and Grindhouse got a lot of great reviews from critics), and find out that it's not their cup of tea. Whatever. I agree with the self-fulfilling prophecy idea - the very films Grindhouse celebrates appeal only to a very limited number of people in the world, so it shouldn't be a surprise that Grindhouse is failing to connect with a mainstream audience.
Maybe it should have been an cable project by palimpsest	Apr 15th, 2007 03:22:11 PM
Like Masters Of Horror, or heck, like when Rodriguez made ROADRACERS back in, what, 1994? Friedkin did JAILBREAKERS, Jonathan Kaplan made REFORM SCHOOL GIRL, Joe Dante made one as well - remakes/updates of 50s teen drive-in movies. Same concept, anyway. And it's a TV concept these days. It might have worked better as a CREEPSHOW-style compendium movie, but we haven't had a good one of those since the early 1980s at best(the last half of TWILIGHT ZONE: THE MOVIE rocks!), and more probably the Brit ones of the early 70s (TORTURE GARDEN, ASYLUM, TALES FROM THE CRYPT...).
I will always call them Exploitation by Samuel Fulmer	Apr 15th, 2007 03:46:23 PM
films. Always have, always will. Calling exploitation films Drive-In films would make more sense, because most of us have seen these types of films at Drive-ins, not grindhouses. Grindhouse seems like a term more fit to be used by cinematic eltists sick of calling something an exploitation film. Grindhouse was an enjoyable film, but I do feel that Death Proof was the weak link of the entire enterprise. I enjoyed it overall, but it was way too heavy on the pointless dialogue. And no, I don't suffer from ADD. It's just if I want to hear characters talk for 20 minute stretches, I'd like to hear something either interesting, funny, or insightful. Of course who knows, maybe the missing reel has something in it that sheds more light on these long dialoge stretches. In the future I sincerely hope that Tarantino decides to have someone score original music compositions composed for his flicks. It was nice to hear some Donnagio in Death Proof, but playing something from a far superior film only reminds me of the fact that my time may be better served watching Blow Out again. But enough with the negative, it was nice to see Kurt Russell in something other than a kids film again. The stunts were also really well done, and the shot composition was top notch.
Sound in PLANET TERROR by kingink123	Apr 15th, 2007 04:55:50 PM
I liked Grindhouse, didn't feel it was slow or too long. However, the purposeful butchering of the audio in PLANET TERROR left me cold. The distressed film, the bad cuts, the missing reels, etc were great, but don't fuck with the audio. Very irritating to not be able to hear the dialog. Also, I think Rodriguez missed the main attraction of people to exploitation films. It's not the shitty theater, damaged film, poor audio that makes them fun, it's the over the top exploitation of violence and sex. But then I don't expect much out of him. He hasn't done anything as fun or creative as El Mariachi. And another side note, was the fucking Darryl Hannah joke in Death Proof a riff on Robert and Rose's fling on the set?
Hanzo the Razor by 5thBusiness	Apr 15th, 2007 05:27:48 PM
Wow, who'd a thunk the vitriol this little movie would unleash? Anyhow, about Hanzo the Razor never playing in the US: In the 70's, in the Little Tokyo area near downtown LA, Toei and possibly Toho had their own theaters. In fact, the Toei theater was still around, although long ago boarded up, when I went to USC in the early 90's. An old boss of mine, who was obsessed with all things Japanese, saw movies there all the time as a young man, and distinctly remembers seeing Hanzo the Razor, as anyone who has ever seen it would.
Why aren't there "grindhouses" anymore? by Son of Batman	Apr 15th, 2007 05:29:35 PM
Oh, they still exist, they're just called "direct to video," now. And for good reason. I'm not saying shit can't be appreciated for being shit, but c'mon. Let's not gild the lily and fellate all these guy who don't have careers for a reason unneccesarily.
I don't "get" the Drafthouse. by Freddie Mercury	Apr 15th, 2007 05:42:33 PM
Every time I've been there it's the same things: listening to people talk more than they would in a normal theater, be disgusting, noisy eaters, frat boys get drunk and make assholes out of themselves and rude, rude, rude ass people that work there. Yeah, theater workers that think their shit don't stink. Awesome. I was in the lobby once when Harry came swirling into the place in his enormous wheelchair and the reactions of the staff were truly embarrasing and ridiculous. And he went straight to the head of an enormous line, like it was fucking Make A Wish Day at Disneyworld. The Alamo Drafthouse is truly overrated.
Not arguing with you, INailed... by Red Ned Lynch	Apr 15th, 2007 05:54:33 PM
...but don't be too disparaging of the noisy theater. One of the things I miss most from the cinema of my youth was a noisy crowd to watch a cheap exploitation movie with. In fact, the best movie review I ever experienced came from the mouth of an elderly woman at the old Midland theater in downtown KC. I think it was the third Friday the 13th. Midway through the third act she opined, very loudly in the sparsely occupied theater "I don't know what it takes to kill his ass, but I'm sick of this shit!" A franchise spanning review. I still laugh when I think about it.
Son of Batman...Krack... by Red Ned Lynch	Apr 15th, 2007 06:18:56 PM
...I don't want to get too film school on this, but part of the allure of the drive-in movie, the exploitation movie, call it what you will, was that some of those movies were in fact quite good. And many of the others, even some of the worst, were experimenting with the medium or stretching the boundaries of what cinema would do. Hard to communicate this to someone who didn't grow up in this era, but the moment when the little girl gets shot in Assault on Precinct 13 was absolutely extraordinary. Sure, put the kid in danger. Yeah, maybe even have a child die, in some overwrought and overly sentimental way. But to just shoot her, almost as an aside, as Carpenter did in that movie, was unheard of. There are movies like Shivers or Rabid or Night of the Living Dead that we now think of as landmarks in the horror genre, and therefore you don't think of them as the same sort of movie, but you're wrong. The drive-in, the grindhouse, was where these movies lived. Others that haven't made that leap to the mainstream, like Blue Sunshine or Tourist Trap or Brotherhood of Satan were better than most of the horror of that day or this. Issues of racial intolerance, female empowerment and the formless fears that permeate our life, from nuclear extinction to the rise of technology to the depletion of the ozone layer, were addressed in movies on this level long before Hollywood touched them. Were they usually handled poorly? Sure. I'm not going to say that Franco's take on stem cell research in She Killed In Ecstacy or Day of the Animals take on the depletion of the ozone layer qualify them for Oscars or that they were even more than the gimmick to drive the movies. But they were there when no one else was, and those are just a couple examples out of the hundreds you can have if you want them. There's not even a need to comment on the debt the action films of today owe to the drive-in movies of that era. So, from a film history perspective, from a sociological perspective, and just for the sheer joy of watching people trying to stretch cinema to do what they want instead of memorizing the screenplay to Chinatown and hope they can vomit out something that fits the formula, these movies are worth remembering, watching, and even, sometimes, lionizing.
Drafthouse downtown sucks INailedPuraVida by lotusblade	Apr 15th, 2007 06:29:07 PM
It's no where near as nice as the South Austin location which doesn't seem to have the problems of the downtown location. Tim League has every employee of the Drafthouse understand that Harry is to be treated "special." Harry is a big advertiser of the Drafthouse and helped get the Drafthouse butts in seats. So Tim makes sure they kiss up. I don't think Harry would like to hear half the stuff said about him by that crowd when he isn't there.
"like it was fucking Make A Wish Day at Disneyworld" by I Dunno	Apr 15th, 2007 06:41:12 PM
Holy shit, I lol'd at that.
Krack... by Red Ned Lynch	Apr 15th, 2007 07:05:31 PM
...and if they do, we will. These already have, demonstrably so, so we do. And your argument is what is referred to as a straw man, which falls down very easily.
people weren't walking out, you idiots! by bunkyboo	Apr 15th, 2007 07:15:03 PM
They were hitting the snack bar. Everyone knows during double features and intermissions people go out for a smoke or a coke. My drive-in and double or triple feature experiences ALWAYS involved taking a breather during the breaks or the slow scenes. The films aren't cinemasterpieces so you leave and come back as you please. Give me a break, you motor mouthed TB aholes.
Krack... by Red Ned Lynch	Apr 15th, 2007 07:28:31 PM
...you either don't know what movies you're talking about or your understanding of film history is lacking. Not only the above examples, such as NOTLD, Shivers, Rabid were these kind of movies, but so was Coppola's Dementia 13, Dante's Piranha (scripted by John Sayles), and countless others. That's what these movies were. You can't even study the great directors of the last thirty years without looking at these movies, because that's where most of them started. One or two. Geez. Why are you even on a movie site?
And of course... by Red Ned Lynch	Apr 15th, 2007 07:41:41 PM
...most of these people weren't intending to address the great issues of society. And even those who did more often than not did so clumsily, even ineptly. And we ignore their films for the same reason we throw away all the videos of our babies learning to walk and don't study Paracelsus or Fermi or Brahe, because those cats got so much wrong. There are tons of these movies that are worth watching, and for the same variety of reasons that anything is worth watching. First, because many of them were wonderful, inventive examples of the genres they inhabited. Hey, a lot of them were really bad, too, a lot more of them than were good, which is true of movies lo unto this day, be they made in Hollywood, Bollywood or any of the other outposts where images are put on film. Some are so bad that it does make them fun to watch, and if that's a pleasure you don't get, too bad, but I hope there are enough other things you take pleasure from in life that you don't miss it. And some from both of these categories are instructive for the serious lover of film. And these movies are being remade, by Hollywood, at a breakneck pace, which is maybe just a little better example of the power they have than how much money Grindhouse made. Oh, and guess what? I'll stack the original Black Christmas, Tourist Trap and Assault on Precinct 13 up against the new Christmas, House of Wax and Assault any day you want. For quality. For watchability. For subtext.
All right, you think everything is shit. by Red Ned Lynch	Apr 15th, 2007 08:09:52 PM
Because 95% of every genre in every field is crap. You're right, we will have to agree to disagree. Me, I'll take my cue from Arthur at the end of Camelot..."Less than a drop in the great blue motion of the sunlit sea. But it seems that some of the drops sparkle, Pelly. Some of them do sparkle!" Seems to be a recipe for enjoying not just movies, but life, a little bit more.
But most... by Red Ned Lynch	Apr 15th, 2007 08:27:03 PM
...spaghetti westerns WOULD fall under the heading of drive-in or grindhouse movies. That's where they played. Sartana, Django, The Big Gundown, Barquero, Sabata, the Trinity movies, A Bullet for the General, My Name is Nobody, even. Hell, it was where all the Leone movies played, including The Good, The Bad and The Ugly. And 95% of them, yes, were crap, including many of the ones I've listed above, and you've just stepped into why these movies are so loved by so many people. Because Hollywood wouldn't have made these westerns, and they got to us, got out because folks in other countries or folks operating with almost no money made them and exhibitors who needed product to fill their screens, or fill out their triple bill, were willing to play them. And some of them were gold.
bunkyboo by lotusblade	Apr 15th, 2007 08:43:12 PM
I thought they were taking breaks, getting food too... but they never came back...
So much for this Easter Sunday argument... by moto	Apr 15th, 2007 08:44:22 PM
... Grindhouse is #10 at $4 million and some change. Just barely made it into the top ten by the way. Yeah, blame Easter AICN. Really. LOL. Another AICN buzzed flick bites the dust. And before you say "300" Harry, remember that there's a strange coincidence here. 300 was marketed to myspace.com and Grindhouse barely was. Hmmmmmmm.
And for the record, DAMNATION ALLEY... by moto	Apr 15th, 2007 08:47:21 PM
... was the best Grindhouse movie ever made:) Jan Michael Vincent and what's his name from A-Team... not to mention the kid from Bad News Bears who was nominated for the Oscar this year. Classic Apocolypse crap complete with giant scorpions and killer cockroaches. But damn, they had a cool ass RV! If you want to see it, Tivo it... it's been playing on the free Fox Movie Channel for months. God knows why. Classic.
IVE GOT A COMPULSION by john j rambo	Apr 15th, 2007 09:06:20 PM
To watch that episode of EXTRAS with David Bowie in it.
DID HARRY SAY THAT MICHAEL MADSEN TURNED HIM ON? by Jabba the Slut	Apr 15th, 2007 09:23:15 PM
Harry, you nappy headed ho...
Actually... by Red Ned Lynch	Apr 15th, 2007 09:33:43 PM
...someone has a Django or Sabata movie, can't remember which, on the other page. But the definition you're seeking is a little tricky, because it involves some regional variations. Grindhouse was largely an east coast version of what, for those of us across the west, midwest and south were largely referred to as drive-in movies. And this includes a whole wide range of low budget, indie and foreign films, primarily low budget horror, blacksploitation, spaghetti westerns and war movies, jd, kung fu, wip and the soft core Emanuelle type movies. Plus low budget action, like the insane Black Cobra that made someone's list here and the sub-sub-sub James Bond films. These were basically movies that were low budget genre films. Because they were cheap they ended up on drive-in bills and in low rent movie houses. Now most of the lists here are clearly not including those movies that ascended, if you will, or crossed over or whatever term you want for breaking through to a wider audience. That would include not just those Sergio Leone movies, but Dario Argento, Cronenberg and a bunch of others. But believe me, that's the cinematic birthplace where they were first seen. These lists are clearly intended to highlight special movies of this type that never made the jump. Some of these are on lists because they were good. Some are on lists because they were amazingly, can't take your eyes off them bad. Some are on the lists because they were the first movie that did some thing, or even just because they were so extreme, in some way or other. Now there used to be a narrower definition of Grindhouse that focused on east coast productions that were nearly always about sex, mostly roughies of some sort and rarely got out of the east coast (and sometimes west coast) corridor. I think then only movie I saw on any of the lists here that comes close to that definition would be Career Bed. These were extreme poverty row productions, sometimes even shot all in master shots, and they really are often unwatchable. And I wonder if part of the problem with the box office for this movie (another was surely distressing the film, the sound and losing the reels...because guys, this is what we PUT UP with to watch these movies, not what we WANTED) was that grindhouse might bring up too many images of that other definition, or maybe even was just too flat out esoteric to mean anything to people at all. Think drive-in movies. That's really what both Death Proof and Planet Terror were, at least to someone like me.
i like dick by gride9000	Apr 15th, 2007 10:34:08 PM
a lot
Well, to clarify... by Son of Batman	Apr 15th, 2007 11:23:05 PM
I never said I don't share a healthy appreciation for so-called "grindhouse" films, because I do. And yeah, there are a bunch of truly great films in the genre. Happy accidents or diamonds in the rough, who can say. It's obvious that the grindhouse film has devolved into the DTV market, and it's a shame, really, that theaters don't show more of them. You know, slap em into a DVD projector. The only missing factor that kept any so-called grindhouse film from going DTV was the lack of a medium.
Dis-donc, Harry, by Subovon	Apr 16th, 2007 01:46:43 AM
I don’t think Eli Roth has invented a damn thing. Also, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO SOLANGE? is truly memorable for its Ennio Morricone score.
Grindhouse was flawed at being flawed by Spandau Belly	Apr 16th, 2007 09:04:34 AM
If it was trying to be on the same level of cheesyness as these oldies then they should've used special effects, acting styles, and film stock from that era like they did with that THE GOOD GERMAN movie. Instead QT and RR opted for modern settings, CGI effects, digital cameras, and modern acting. They threw in some projector malfunctions from the 1970s, but had them occuring on films that were obviously made recently. The films that weren't clearly trying to be bad or good. The guys brought on to do the fake trailers seemed to understand what this project was about more than the actual guys helming it. Death Proof and Planet Terror should have been set in the 1970s and made to look like they were filmed then.
I think The Big Gundown beats The Great Silence as by LaneMyersClassic	Apr 16th, 2007 09:53:57 AM
the best non-Leone spaghetti western. The Great Silence was good, with a brutal, surprising ending that really elevated the movie probably more than it deserved. But La Resa Dei Conti really captured the violent, gritty, odd, playfulness and ultimately satisfying ending you would find in your typical Leone western. All that and an AMAZING and memorable score that rivaled anything Morricone did in Leone's westerns. As far as Kinski goes, I thought he was better in his small role as the "Wild" guy in For a Few Dollars More. If you really want to see him shine in his own starring spaghetti western, check out "And God Said To Cain." A lot more range here than just the "crazy guy" he normally plays.
I agree with Spandau Belly... by TORTURE PWN	Apr 16th, 2007 11:32:09 AM
Why would movies obviously made recently and taking place in the present have such age wear?Retarded.
Thanks for Thriller Harry... by modlight	Apr 16th, 2007 11:47:17 AM
That to me exemplifies a movie taking it as far as possible and saying, fuck you to conventional wisdom. Although when I watched it one day my lady came home right during the anal scene and I had to explain to her that this really wasn't a porno.
Saw Grindhouse last night by Jak0lantern01	Apr 16th, 2007 12:11:29 PM
Loved the entire thing, especially Death Proof. Sure, maybe a few minutes could have been trimmed, but I enjoyed it and my wife was pleasantly suprised (she didn't really know WHAT she was walking into with this one).
THE TOTURE PWN TOP 10 NOT ON ONE OF THE LISTS by TORTURE PWN	Apr 16th, 2007 12:22:44 PM
1)DJANGO KILL...IF YOU LIVE SHOOT (The best spaghetti western you've probably never seen.Not a sequel to the great DJANGO.Surreal,violent,disturb ing...brilliant.And this was made BEFORE EL TOPO.The movie that tells us that if you ever find yourself shot full of gold bullets in a town full of greedy,evil poor people,you better hope you die from the gunshots.) 2)FLESH FOR FRANKENSTEIN/BLOOD FOR DRACULA(ANDY WARHOL'S FRANK & DRAC resp.)Double feature(Udo Kier,hilarious over the top performances,beautiful naked Italian women,GALLONS of spurting blood,and in FRANK's case - gall bladder fucking...and did I mention beautiful naked Italian women?) 3)MAD MAX (The one that started it all) 4)BLACULA (blaxploitation meets horror,and it works!William(King of Cartoons)Marshall give Christopher Lee a run for his money as the dignified titular vampire.Better than you would think.) 5)ALLIGATOR (Robert Forster vs. Nature Amuck...In New York!) 6)HUMANOIDS FROM THE DEEP(MAN IN SUIT!!!Corman school exploitation,boobs,blood and cool creature costumes!) 7)ESCAPE FROM N.Y.(This IS Grindhouse.Nuff said) 8)THE OCTAGON (Chuck has been conspicuous in his absence from these lists) 9)THE EVIL DEAD (somebody HAD to mention this before,if not shame on you) 10)KILL OR BE KILLED/KILL & KILL AGAIN (crazy ass martial arts extravaganza starring the South African Bruce Lee,the mighty Steve Chase!)
re: Solid Gold Dancers on Wheels by CherryValance	Apr 16th, 2007 03:19:51 PM
Darcelle was one of my idols growing up. I'll be first in line for that one.
Laura Gemser by FentonCrisp	Apr 16th, 2007 03:50:49 PM
Shit, man, she was hot. Back in my high school, pre-Internet days, I must have masturbated to that copy of EMMANUELLE IN BANGKOK I taped off of HBO three dozen times. Ah, the salad days.
The Legend Of Nigger Charley by ThePilgrim	Apr 16th, 2007 04:46:36 PM
Oh how I want too see you, but your title alone makes you an impossible find. If this film isn't Grindhouse I dont know what is... A blaxploitation western revenge flick made in the 70's
re:Legend of Nigger Charley by kingink123	Apr 16th, 2007 04:53:10 PM
Found this one on ebay last month. Haven't watched it yet but have been curious about it for years. You can find the sequel as well.
That's all fine Harry... by Orionsangels	Apr 17th, 2007 01:26:50 AM
I just wish you weren't voted number 61 unsexiest man of 2007. http://tinyurl.com/27kdq8
EVIL DEAD was made for about $350,000,a shoestring. by TORTURE PWN	Apr 17th, 2007 11:04:32 AM
The only thing "elaborate" about it was the imagination,determination & talent of those involved.ESCAPE FROM NY may have been a little more expensive than EVIL DEAD & some others but it was still an independent film that was a staple of the grindhouse/drive in circuit in the early 80s.To me it represents the higher end of production values (made for $6,000,000).A lot of the Avco/Embassy stuff from around that time period (SCANNERS,THE HOWLING,DEAD & BURIED,THE EXTERMINATOR,PROM NIGHT,WHEN A STRANGER CALLS,ROAD GAMES,etc.)kept the grindhouses and drive ins full.Grindhouse is as much about studio independence,spirit and the venues these movies played as it is about budget.I stand by my inclusion of ESCAPE.
Tom Joad: by Sith Witch	Apr 17th, 2007 05:51:58 PM
I don't know what part of Oklahoma you grew up in, but I've never been at a loss for great cinema here. It pains me that you and Annette Kellerman bad-mouth it so much on a whole, rather than the area you lived in. Its a pretty big state...
i cant beleive Grindhouse cost so much... by datachasm	Apr 18th, 2007 10:39:17 PM
what was it? 100 million? lol! anyways i dont really care... Grindhouse was a great time overall, and is the equivalent in film of putting a man on the moon. its all about the prestige... the long term potential is enormous! and finally! i just read "Inglorious Bastards" is next for Quentin... thats THE movie from him i have been waiting on since probably BEFORE Kill Bill. faints
Stephen Romano by lotusblade	Apr 22nd, 2007 06:38:44 PM
Harry should get Stephen to post his top ten... since without Stephen, Harry wouldn't know most of the films he listed.

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