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FIRSTIES! by hulkdog	Apr 11th, 2007 03:58:39 AM
In honor of Juliet's tramp stamp!!
I Want To Know Everything! by kinanswer	Apr 11th, 2007 04:05:10 AM
Don't we bloody all!
Claire by optimus122	Apr 11th, 2007 04:40:50 AM
Damn if you think she is hot on this show you need to watch the Roswell dvd's...she looks wayyyy hawt in that show and with no dick shrinking accent either.
Sayid really needs to get medieval on Juliet. by Mogwai Democracy	Apr 11th, 2007 04:42:31 AM
Don't trust her at all. Or Jack for that matter, really. Sawyer in charge? Screw that! It's loooong past time for Sayid to start calling the shots! Lost has been picking up momentum lately and seems back on track. Trim the fat, writers. Get your endgame together. Wrap this thing up in one more season & don't fall prey to Twin Peaks syndrome.
yeah...smokezilla by TimMighty	Apr 11th, 2007 04:51:13 AM
...could have gone over that fence wtf ?..but whatever...its definately time for an underwear scene of kate..just like in S1. I wonder when they finally bring aliens into the storyline ..its so obvious. Superman:The rise of Kumar
I'm guessing we find out.... by smellmycheese	Apr 11th, 2007 05:08:24 AM
why they were taking the children since it features Ethan, Claire and the statement "Because I did it to her", which is probably Juliette's response to how she knows so much about Claire's medical condition. Man, I'm hoping Claire isn't being set up to be killed off. Not only is she a little hottie but has one of the more interesting backstories. She's barely featured this season (1 FB ep, compared with dull Jack's 3!) and I'm sure Charlie's death is just a ruse so that Claire's death is an even greater shock. It will also mean that Aaron is raised by anOther, something the psychic warned her against. I'm hoping I'm wrong. We shall see...
Elizabeth Mitchell in Gia(?) and Running Scared by SickPuppy	Apr 11th, 2007 05:22:37 AM
God, she's a kinky bitch. Must go spank monkey.
Vindication? Validation? Or just.... by Cameron1	Apr 11th, 2007 05:24:57 AM
masturbation? Now that we are finding out some of the big shit I really hope whatever answers we get are as good as the mysteries they provided.
Herc's got it wrong... by krodnoc	Apr 11th, 2007 05:33:43 AM
The Season Finale will be Jack-centric, not Ben. Confirmed by Ausiello over on TVGuide.
you have brought an "Other" into your midst by Mr_X	Apr 11th, 2007 06:09:38 AM
do you a) leave her be, accept bygones will be bygones b) send her back to the others c) ask he what the fark is going on... no wait, you mean we're finally gonna get some answers? OMFG, this is have to see, i just hope when some crucial question is going to be asked, ther's not like a massive emergency like claire being ill or something like that. see that would really annoy the fuck out of me. thank god for sayid. he seems the only intelligent one out of that bunch.
After rewatching this show on Dvd.... by emeraldboy	Apr 11th, 2007 06:28:52 AM
I am now now Season 2 Dvd Volume 3 or 4. This does contain spoilers so anyone who has not seen the show or has not bought the DVD's should look away now...... In the 1960's america was split really and divided really badly. 2 college students called the degroots decided to set up a multi phase experimental program(One part psychological one part pyschiatriactal one part spiruatual and one part pavolian experiment)and called it the Dhamra Initiative. In order to get backing and sponsership for thier program they went to the Multi-millionaire Dr. Albert Hanzo, who gave them the money. The idea was to create a utopian paradise where all races could live together. This project would be life long but there was an incident of some kind so replacements were needed so along comes Rousseau and her team and she kills them all(we know this maybe bull and that she maybe part of ben's barmy army) and hid in the jungle after Ben's barmy army took her daughter. The only guy who thought he was alone on the island was the army guy played clancy browne, then along came desmond, who thought he was the only guy on the island untill he meets clancy brown drags our desmond into the hatch and orders him to press the button. desmond was on the island for three years on his own(but he wasnt of course) and managed to bring down flight 815 by accidently not pushing the button. When it did come down, ben's barmy army used this to their advantage and infiltrated the survivors an like with Rosseau and the tailies they took the children and vanished into the jungle. It happened again last week too, where for some reason the others left juliet, jack and kate behind. We will soon discover why locke sided with ben's barmy army, they have lockes dad so that means his story his nearing resolution, jack has no idea that claire is his sister and ben's barmy army know this and it could revealed becuase juliet knows everything about jack and I do mean everything. The makers make clear this is a show about redemption and spituality but unlike muck like seventh, it does not shovell it down your throat. The people on the island killed people, took drugs, were adulterous, alcoholic, greedy, claire didnt want her baby and so she was all about to give it up. the island gives people the chance of starting over all again. all the people on the island have a connection or they have met before like the time in the bar when sawyer met jacks dad. or when kate meets her step father the amry sargent on the tv its sayid, who is being brought into us custody. or there is the scene with boone who wants to bring charges against Shannons boyfriend and who do we see but sawyer. Oh and one more thing the producers do know where they are going, on dvd commentary for the 23rd psalm, Carlton Cuse says that even though it even though it does appear that they appear to be flailing around in the dark. They do set-up stories to be used later on and that nonsense with abc and the end is just that nonsense. on the pilot JJ abrams says that they always envisioned 5-6 to six year show. This year abc spun the whole thing about the meeting and the end and the lost haters lapped it up.
The answers offered by this show... by UltraMeerkat	Apr 11th, 2007 06:28:53 AM
...will never be as good as the ones we have in our heads. With Lost, I suspect, the final destination of this journey will be something of a let down.
@UltraMeerkat by TimMighty	Apr 11th, 2007 06:37:45 AM
..aliens...youll see.
This is all I have to say: by SpeakerWiggin	Apr 11th, 2007 06:47:17 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =No_Lfsr4jbg
They're giving Goddard all the big episodes... by DanielKurland	Apr 11th, 2007 07:11:02 AM
It's nice to see they're recognizing talent and rewarding it, in spite of it being his first full year on the show.
by SpeakerWiggin by Darth Hater	Apr 11th, 2007 07:17:26 AM
Dear God, if I could reach out with my mind I would stop your heart! I hate you.
TOO SOON by Pageiv	Apr 11th, 2007 07:17:55 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =ciG-Xs7mBwU
Hey SpeakerWiggin by Darth Hater	Apr 11th, 2007 07:18:22 AM
Dear God, if I could reach out with my mind I would stop your heart! I hate you.
Things we might find out by Leopold Scotch	Apr 11th, 2007 07:18:27 AM
The "virus/sickness" thing Rousseau keeps going on about (incidentally, she might have followed Locke and Ben etc when they left the suburb area). The proper reason for the child-snatching. Why Juliet didn't know about the monster. Whether or not Juliet and Ben were together (sounds like maybe it was Juliet and Ethan and that Ben was responsible for their seperation, but that's just speculation - I don't really care about most of the romance crap anyway). Whether Sayid has the testicular fortitude to go ahead and torture another woman after what happened last time.
Darth Hater by SpeakerWiggin	Apr 11th, 2007 07:27:48 AM
I love you too, dearie.
speakerwiggin...i'll admit it by Holodigm	Apr 11th, 2007 07:42:15 AM
i actually liked that
WHERE WAS THE APOLOGY LOST TALKBACK LAST WK? by jimbojones123	Apr 11th, 2007 07:47:50 AM
COME ON -- why not post a new talkback after everything was back? I was at work at 8am Eastern -- and NOTHING. Put a place holder in. You guys are really not looking cool at all after that. Could have been handled MUCH better. Take notes for next time. Lost talkbacks average well over 500 posts a week. I'm not sure of the overall % but the posts usually start Tuesday and continue into Thursday/Friday. That's about 1/2 week of people just checking that one post. Pay more attention to your site's fans. We would appreciate it. I'm sure this won't be the end of these kind of posts, but it may be the nicest!
National Review Online by Pageiv	Apr 11th, 2007 08:00:42 AM
...links to this article http://corner.nationalreview.c om/post/?q=MGE4Zjc5ODU2ZmUyODF lMjE1MGFmNjUzNDc1ZTExMDI= now that is gravitas!
If I were on that island... by CaptainTripps	Apr 11th, 2007 08:12:53 AM
I'd be packing up my shit and moving into the others village. A bunch of empty houses with running water, electricity and a big fence that keeps the smoke monster out are just a few miles away. It's not like they're insulated from the Others where they are now, so they wouldn't be giving anything away by moving, and there's a chance they might find ways in the village to better defend themselves should the Others return. Julliette would be able to show them hidden weapons caches and other secrets of the village. Screw sleeping on the beach under tarps and palm branches! Oh, and Leopold - Julliette admited to Kate that the Others were aware of the smoke monster, but said they didn't know anything about it, except that it "doesn't like our fence."
Don't we already know... by Black And Gold	Apr 11th, 2007 08:31:18 AM
...what Stephen King book it was? I'm pretty sure it was confirmed, ad nauseum, to be "Carrie".
FUCK YOU HERCULES!!! by PwnedByStallone	Apr 11th, 2007 08:33:17 AM
WHERE'S LAST WEEKS TALKBACK?
PwnedByStallone by jimbojones123	Apr 11th, 2007 08:36:11 AM
Was waitin' for you!
Jesus Christ you babies by askholia	Apr 11th, 2007 08:39:26 AM
Leave Herc the fuck alone. He gives you this nice site to basically shit on, as most of you do, and this is your thanks. Jesus, we should have one talkback alone about how great this site is, but NOOOOO. We are Americans so lets bitch about every free thing that is given to us like we have a right. Why dont you go read a fuckin book or something you mouth-breathing trogladytes. Actually, no, you bitchers should all go live in a vacuum where you can be perfectly happy with NOTHING TO BITCH ABOUT. Then again, that would negate your very essence of being. Pussies.
Sayid will be "next" by biggles2_22	Apr 11th, 2007 08:41:20 AM
Sorry, if my favorite character keeps torturing without impunity, Smokey will be forced to give him a smack-down ala Ecko.
askholia by jimbojones123	Apr 11th, 2007 08:44:15 AM
Chill -- a courtesy re-post is all we are asking for. So out of the question????
Answers! by leesheri	Apr 11th, 2007 08:44:58 AM
I've forgotten everything I was excited about last week... But I am super excited about this week! I do remember someone bringing up that Sayid won't really torture Juliet, and would like to point out that she knows what he was. She doesn't know that the he has changed. He just tortured Ben a few weeks ago. I am willing to bet he shared that info. No, if I were her I wouldn't mess with Sayid.
askholia by PwnedByStallone	Apr 11th, 2007 08:45:35 AM
"...we should have one talkback alone about how great this site is, but NOOOOO." You are a tremendous douchebag if you are serious. This is possibly the dumbest thing posted in the 8 years I've been visiting this site.
Seriously though... by PwnedByStallone	Apr 11th, 2007 08:48:37 AM
I don't mean to harp on this but it was shitty not to repost the TB last week. Every other TB was restored except for that one. Are we supposed to NOT complain about that? This is one of the more popular TB posts on this site and they left us with our thumbs up our asses.
"3.20 Karen and Gerald DeGroot" by SpyGuy	Apr 11th, 2007 08:50:06 AM
The Dharma founders are getting a flashback? Cool, maybe we'll see them get tattoos or something. And "DeGroot" has to be an anagram (or part of one) for something. Spelled sideways, it could be "Get Door" or "God Tore" or I could just be completely grasping at nothing. Wouldn't be the first time...
Thank you, Herc! by buffywrestling	Apr 11th, 2007 08:51:44 AM
For acknowledging that Hurley as Sawyer's foil has been a "WTF?" situation. Now that Jack is back, hopefully he will return Sawyer's balls to him. I hope he took care of them and we will not find them lacking.˜
I hope it lives up to the 4.5 stars. by Fount of Useless Info	Apr 11th, 2007 08:52:36 AM
I love Juliet, and I'm hoping this episode will help shed more light on her and her motivations. If she is not truly a spy for the Others, she needs to come completely clean and tell them everything, emphasizing that she was a held here as a prisoner for 3 years. Captain Tripps, I thought the same thing about moving into the Others' old digs, but then again, how can you ever be sure it isn't a trap? At least you know where you stand if you stay in the same place. I'll be shocked if someone doesn't at least suggest it, though. Smokey being stuck on the other side of the fence doesn't seem that surprising to me. We haven't seen any suggestions that it can climb trees and have we ever seen it be completely airborne (i.e. perhaps it has a connection to the ground or simply can't fly). I agree with biggles2_22, if Sayid does torture Juliet (and I'm hoping he's all talk), he might not be around for too long. You've got to change your ways or die on penance island.
I'm with Captain Tripps... by BadAshe	Apr 11th, 2007 08:53:28 AM
My brother and I were talking about that nice, empty village that was sitting and thought, "Boy, it sure would be easier to film on a nice set rather than deal with the logistic and sound issues that a beach offers." I think that they will head out sometime this season to check out the village and then move in. I hope that dog can sniff out C-4 since the others seem so fond of decorating their homes with it.
Last week's 24 didn't suck so much so maybe... by Pdorwick	Apr 11th, 2007 08:56:28 AM
...this week's Lost might not either. I know this makes no sense but it was nice to finally get an episode of 24 last week that reminded you why you started watching the show in the first place. Lost desperately needs an episode like that to partially redeem what has been a truly horrible season.
In season 2 three people died by emeraldboy	Apr 11th, 2007 08:57:07 AM
Shannon and season 2 double's whammy killing of ana-lucia cause she got what she deserved for killing shannon and libby who was killed accidently by micheal. This season Ecko died and the death of Charlie has been hinted at. Here is how I think things pan. Claire dies of the virus and this quick, short and shocking death sends charlie over the edge. Cause despite the religion he is very fragile.
Why Smokey can't climb... by Kid Z	Apr 11th, 2007 08:58:11 AM
... or hover over the fence: My guess is Smokey's very sensitive to the certain electromagnetic or sonic frequencies that power or are utilized by the fence. Regular humans can climb over the pylons, avoiding the full brunt of these frequencies, but Smokey can't even go near the things as he's sensitive to even the "spill-over" frequencies generated by the thing. It's not so much that he's vulnerable to them, it's just that he 's more sensitive to them than humans and doesn't like to even go near them. That's my guess, anyway. Maybe one day we'll see what happens if Smokey tries to go through the fence... my guess is "KA-BOOM!"... another implosion.
Hurley conning Sawyer by Fount of Useless Info	Apr 11th, 2007 08:59:20 AM
Look, that's not really that big of a surprise. Sawyer knows that everyone hates him or at the least that people hate the way he treats them. All Hurley did was tell him that people were going to do something about it. Sawyer believed it, more than likely because the truth about Sun's kidnapping just came out, and he's a little worried. Hurley used this to make Sawyer realize that he could act differently and be received differently. To Sawyer, having to act nice was the lesser evil when compared to having to leave. The con worked because what Hurley told him was not much of a stretch.
Hurley played Sawyer like a fiddle by slone13	Apr 11th, 2007 09:02:44 AM
Twice now. It's foolish to harp on on Sawyer got conned by Hurley. Seriously, why is it so hard for some to believe that a con man (and not a very good one, let's be honest) can get conned himself?
Fount of Useless Info by slone13	Apr 11th, 2007 09:03:47 AM
You beat me to it.
You know, Stallone... by Childe Roland	Apr 11th, 2007 09:07:05 AM
...you had other options. You don't always have to go right to thumbing yourself when you aren't sure what to do with your free time. As for Sayid, I think he's safe for the time being. Smokey won't attack you if you stay with a group, and Sayid always seems to have one or two potential redshirts in close proximity. He's cagey like Captain Kirk, that Iraqi is.
Wait, let me guess... by Strabo	Apr 11th, 2007 09:13:58 AM
On this Very Special episode of Lost, they're going to answer _more_ questions. Like, does Jack wear boxers, or briefs? Kate: shaved or trimmed? (I actually wouldn't mind if they demonstrated that one for us). Sayid: does he really smell like curry? (I'm so very sorry.) Yeah, the "questions" Lost seems to be answering this season are questions no one gives a shit about. Wake me when they tell us what the fuck the Island is, and why Dharma is there.
Tramp's Mates... by UltraMeerkat	Apr 11th, 2007 09:16:49 AM
...is the phrase used to describe someone who look's like they smell, and I assign that title to Locke, Hurley, Sawyer, Sayid and Jack.
Welcome to Flashback Island by Mr Incredible	Apr 11th, 2007 09:19:39 AM
I'm glad I fast-forwarded through Kate's stuff last weak. It made for 30 minutes of actual useful information.
continuing... by Strabo	Apr 11th, 2007 09:21:42 AM
Yeah, I can see it now. The flashback is to Jack during his college days running track. He finds that he's getting a nasty case of heat rash around his groin from all the running and sweating. So...in the last minutes of the episode, he changes to boxers! Featuring additional flashbacks to his stadium run with Desmond where he demonstrates his complete lack of heat rash. Seriously though...tonight's episode is going to be filled with twenty minutes or so of Sayid verbally sparring with Juliet. In the closing seconds of the episode the two of them will come to an understanding where she's finally ready to start talking. Then boom LOST. The end. Next week will pick up with some pressing emergency wherein Desmond has to save Charlie from cutting himself while shaving, thus interrupting the continuation of the conversation, upon which the conversation will be completely forgotten.
This season hasn't put a foot wrong. by Kubla_Khan	Apr 11th, 2007 09:28:13 AM
Maybe it's cos I don't feel so obsessed with it these days, but now it's just boiling down to good fun for me. I like the fact they're on a revealing tip all the time.
PwnedByStallone by biggles2_22	Apr 11th, 2007 09:44:53 AM
Dude, you've been putting your thumb up your ass? Ew.
Gah by Chilli815	Apr 11th, 2007 09:47:11 AM
People -- Lost DOES sometimes have episodes that manage to be excellent character studies, intensely dramatic, and answer questions. This'll be one of them - cause Sayid WON'T accept no for an answer.
Now we know: When PwnedByStallone gives... by Childe Roland	Apr 11th, 2007 09:49:02 AM
...something a thumbs up, he means it.
cookylamoo... by smellmycheese	Apr 11th, 2007 09:54:16 AM
she's 100% natural breast, has tender white thighs and is partial to a bit of cock. I'd say she's already half way there.
LOL. It's a line from something actually... by PwnedByStallone	Apr 11th, 2007 09:56:51 AM
"Thumbs up our asses, thumbs up our asses." Anyone remember what it's from?
Elizabeth Mitchell is... by Christopher3	Apr 11th, 2007 10:04:05 AM
Calista Flockheart + meat - Ford.
I believe it was Office Space, Stallone. by Childe Roland	Apr 11th, 2007 10:05:03 AM
Michael Bolton was saying it about the position Intertech (SP?) would be in if he used his Superman III virus to steal their half pennies. I believe Mrs. Wermer (SP?) from Animal House also made a thumb-in-ass reference at the end of that film, but hers was more literal. There is a long tradition of ass thumbing in comedic cinema.
PwnedByStallone by biggles2_22	Apr 11th, 2007 10:05:18 AM
No, but it kinda reminds me of "I eat pieces of shit like you for breakfast!"
PwnedByStallone by askholia	Apr 11th, 2007 10:08:44 AM
Its "Thumbs up THEIR asses, thumbs up their asses" you toolbox. Jesus, get the quote right you spierman underoo huging, thumb up your own ass, anal affixated, whining d-bag. If my comment was the stupidst you had read in the 8 years you must never read your own! OUCH! BURN. Did everyone see that. He got burned. MEDIC, MEDIC, we have third degree burns over here. Your an idiot and if I was even as partially as stupid as you I would break my hands then cut my fingers off so I could never infect the world by typing the sort of idiotic, nonsensical banter you pride yourself on. Pussies.
So are Michael and Walt officially off the show? by jimmy_009	Apr 11th, 2007 10:11:54 AM
I'd really like to see them if not. Is that a season finale thing?
jimmy_009 by biggles2_22	Apr 11th, 2007 10:16:44 AM
Dude, welcome to the world of Not Knowing What's Going On. It's pretty much the theme of the show.
lostzilla and the fence by greycloak85	Apr 11th, 2007 10:20:43 AM
perhaps someone has mentioned this already, but perhaps lostzilla is earthbound in some way (like when it was pulling Locke into the hole or ripping up trees through its passage) and as such might be able to reach over the fence (or not), but couldn't pass it. Thoughts?
Childe Roland by PwnedByStallone	Apr 11th, 2007 10:21:37 AM
That's it. Thanks. And askholia is right on the line. I stand corrected. You're still a fucking immature dweeb though askholia.
Please Quit Framing Summaries as Spoilers... by Read and Shut Up	Apr 11th, 2007 10:34:11 AM
Herc does this every week. Enough already.
Come on Herc. by PwnedByStallone	Apr 11th, 2007 10:35:36 AM
Don't you want to call us motherfuckers like Capone earlier this week. As if that's an insult.
At least he stopped with the Bai Ling updates. by PwnedByStallone	Apr 11th, 2007 10:39:37 AM
That was irritating. So my theory on the nanocloud (dammit, that's what it is - they lied) is that it couldn't go over the fence because whatever it is that it doesn't like goes all the way up, but whatever that is doesn't affect humans. It is a bit annoyign though. Hopefully they can explain it.
So are we ever going to get by Wed Vid Guy	Apr 11th, 2007 10:47:39 AM
So are we ever going to get back to that stuff with Desmond's girlfriend and maybe some "off the island" stories? With that in mind, I'll throw out a possible season finale idea...they get off the island.
Wed Vid Guy by PwnedByStallone	Apr 11th, 2007 10:58:16 AM
Desmond has another flashback next week and we just had an off the island story last week.
Can't wait for tonight!!!!! by TurckMan	Apr 11th, 2007 11:06:53 AM
About "One of Us": Quote:Tonight, you will learn how Juliet came to the Island, and why the Others so desperately needed her miracle-grow baby-making science. You will learn more about Ethan's infiltration of the castaway encampment in season 1. You will learn how the Others know so much about the castaways. And the ending... well, it's killer. From the very end, after the speculative portion of the program: Quote:Yes, folks: I have seen more than just tonight's episode. And they're good. REALLY good. And if you want a hint of what's to come, how about this: Remember Charlie's question in the pilot — ''Guys... where are we?'' Well, having seen the next couple episodes, I think a better question would be this: ''Guys... WHO are we?'' Source: Doc Jensen
walt and michael are supposed to be back next season- by Novaman5000	Apr 11th, 2007 11:23:14 AM
Harold Perrineau was supposedly in talks for coming back for the finale but turned it down, still talks are in the works for next season. Who knows. I thikn it'd be a fucking travesty if that storyline wasn't wrapped up.
Whats next for Sawyer? by Jonah Echo	Apr 11th, 2007 11:26:18 AM
Well, so far I think Season 3 has been a better, and far more interesting season than 2. Season 2 seemed to chase its own tail once the tailies joined the survivors on the beach. Characters like Charlie and Sawyer seemed to turn on the whim of the writers. I feel like theres been more consistency this season, though not much actual information or answers have been revealed. Now something I have noticed, and may be off-base on, regards Locke's father. Ben makes mention of the way the island may be able to give you what you desire. For Locke it seems clear that the miraculous healing of his paralysis was his answered "prayer" if you will. So why is Locke's dad on the island, unless its been done by the Others, or just a wierd random coincidence? If Locke's father was "summoned" to the island, who was responsible? I have always thought that Locke's father and the man who conned James' family(the real Sawyer) were the same person. When Locke recognized that James wasnt giving his real name, how did he know that? Im assuming that even after the paralysis Locke doesnt give up that obsession with his father's criminal activity. Did he learn of the alias at some point? If thats the case, then the arrival of Locke's dad on the island is possibly of even more importance (or interest) to Sawyer, than for Locke. Ive felt that recent events that have caused Sawyer to face his humanity are helping to develop him for this eventual confrontation, which Im hoping occurs this season. Possible spoilers It has been mentioned that Sawyer will take a journey of sorts with Locke, and that "something Sawyer never thought would happen is about to happen". Will this be the confrontation with the man who so deeply affected his life? The only potential problem here is that now you have two survivors whose lives have been majorly damaged by this guy, and both with potential axes to grind. If this story point does come to fruition, will it provide a context for Sawyer and Locke to interact more? Both are the most "outcast" of the current group on the beach. Barring Juliette now of course.
Here's a sneak peak by jccalhoun	Apr 11th, 2007 11:27:40 AM
There's not much more than what was in the teaser at the end of last week, but it makes me wish it were already 10 o'clock! http://urltea.com/4r5
TurckMan by PwnedByStallone	Apr 11th, 2007 11:33:12 AM
Damn you and your tantalizations!
Much improved lately by BeatsMe	Apr 11th, 2007 11:40:36 AM
I was definitely bitchin' in the earlier half of this season, but thing have definitely picked up. Mostly the all-others 6 episode run stunk and then they had to get out of it, but it's been back on track since then.
Ausiello is reporting that the finale is: by Novaman5000	Apr 11th, 2007 11:40:44 AM
JACK-CENTRIC. I hope that this is either a foiler or an extreme departure from Jack's other eps. I swear to god, we do not need another Jack backstory ep this season, and the writers HAVE to know this. The only way I'd be happy about this is if it shed some light on his time with the others and we get some crazy new information. Ben-Centric makes SO much more sense.
I suspect Jonah Echo... by Childe Roland	Apr 11th, 2007 11:54:08 AM
...is on to something. After all, Locke was the man who had everythign he'd ever wanted since coming to the island (he was able to walk, hunt, advise and commanded respect). Ben admitted to Sawyer that he was a con man back when they faked his chest implant and showed him the island. He put so much emphasis on that line, in fact, that I thought it had to mean something more. If Locke's dad is, in fact, responsible for Sawyer's life path, the Others would surely know this. And there's no way Ben wouldn't use something like that to his advantage.
Holodigm by SpeakerWiggin	Apr 11th, 2007 11:59:55 AM
Glad you liked it! It was fun performing live as well: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =EW7odCDPUmk
slone13 by Fount of Useless Info	Apr 11th, 2007 12:02:29 PM
Not only did I beat you to it, I almost made myslef late to a meeting doing so. Stupid work interfering with my Lost Talkback time.
locke by lofe101	Apr 11th, 2007 12:02:49 PM
so we still dont find out about his dad getting to the island. a poster was right huh, it wont be for 5 episodes. o well this episode looks pretty damn good. LETS GO SABRES!!!!!! the Islanders are gonna get spanked.
and by myslef by Fount of Useless Info	Apr 11th, 2007 12:03:13 PM
I mean myself. Stupid fat fingers not doing what I tell them to.
johan echo by lofe101	Apr 11th, 2007 12:07:38 PM
im with you as for lockes dad being the actual sawyer who screwed sawyer over when he was a kid. but how would they get together since locke is now with the others. will he come back to get him in the middle of the night or something.
Finale flashback by Fount of Useless Info	Apr 11th, 2007 12:14:05 PM
I believe the words Ausiello used where "I'm _hearing_ (emphasis mine) that the finale will be Jack-centric." This doesn't mean that it is. He often hears things that turn out not to be correct, and he tries to be clear about the speculative stuff versus the confirmed things. I think this is in the speculative column for now.
Juliet lied about the smoke monster by Dapper Swindler	Apr 11th, 2007 12:16:55 PM
She knows more about it than she is letting on. First she said she had no idea what it is. Then she said she only knew how to defend against it. Why would she lie at all? The fact that she lied about it to begin with means she is holding back information.
Dapper Swindler by lofe101	Apr 11th, 2007 12:22:47 PM
She said she lied about it so she would fit in with Kate. since both of them were druged and left in the woods, she wanted Kate to feel that they were in the same boat.
Its quite easy to pick out people with no lives... by david19	Apr 11th, 2007 12:26:24 PM
on this site. Its anyone who has nothing else to do but naysay a show that they apparently hate and yet continue to watch, or (even more retarded) don't watch at all and yet still have an opinion. HUH?!
lofe101 by Dapper Swindler	Apr 11th, 2007 12:33:58 PM
She said that. But I do not believe her.
jack finale by areynol2	Apr 11th, 2007 12:41:44 PM
Maybe it won't be about him back on mainland. Tt could be about him with the others between surgery and playing football. I know it probably won't be, but I can hope.
I agree Dapper by david19	Apr 11th, 2007 12:51:34 PM
My inclination at this point is that both Jack and Juliet are still being played by Ben. It doesnt make sense that Juliet had both a knife and a key to the handcuffs. If the Others did gas them both why would they let her have a knife in such an obvious place and a frikkin key? Now based on what we found out last week, the only possibility as I see it is that she knew they were leaving and engineered everything that happened with Kate, just like she said, or the entire thing was a setup, and she and Jack are up to something. Im leaning toward the second option.
I think you're right, Dapper... by Childe Roland	Apr 11th, 2007 01:00:58 PM
...about Juliet being a lying bitch. I'm pretty certain she's been playing Jack from the first grilled cheese, and it kind of pisses me off because I like Jack and I get upset when he turns into such an easy mark toward the end of every season (like when he led the group into the Others' trap last season). Makes it tough to keep respect for the character, who is really one of the only purely likeable ones on the show. Which brings up an interesting point (for me): The smoke monster is obviously punishing the naughty. And it went after Juliet as hard as it did Kate (like a fat guy at a Sizzler buffet). So I think that kind of answers the question about whether she's really one of the good guys or one of the bad guys. Kate's an unrepentant murderess. Straight-up, plain and simple. So what did Julie do that was so bad? I know she pretended to plan to kill Ben but, even if her intent had been serious, Smoky doesn't seem to punish based on intent. Smoky seems to take the hardline Christian approach that you can do whatever horrible evil shit you want to as long as you say you're sorry. So what's hiding in Juliet's closet?
...due to the site crash... by mr ahole ramirez	Apr 11th, 2007 01:06:03 PM
...I forgot everythin I would like to say/complain bout...but I highly doubt we get any REAL QUESTIONS answered...maybe questions like "is it cold in winter time" or "does any of the stations have bowlin alleys"...but if Herc gives this a 4 and half stars, Ill assume it'll be at least a 2 and half (which isnt bad for LOST since they always give me "entertainment blue balls")... PS: KILL HURLEY!
3 things by PwnedByStallone	Apr 11th, 2007 01:09:16 PM
1. Who the hell is Ausiello? 2. Juliette IS a lyign bitch. 3. GO RED WINGS!
Smokey's behavior by Dapper Swindler	Apr 11th, 2007 01:09:39 PM
Rousseau defined smokey as a "security system" designed to protect the island. When it came upon Kate and Juliet, it stopped and focused a light on Juliet (not Kate, just Juliet). Perhaps this was the same light Locke saw. Then it suddenly retreated. The next day, it was after both of them. Think about it.
RE:stallone by Mastashake	Apr 11th, 2007 01:11:07 PM
go google Ausiello and lost spoilers... She dishes em out like no tomorrow.
I think by Mastashake	Apr 11th, 2007 01:13:45 PM
I think that dapper is right... But maybe more people were killed by smokey earlier on because he hadn't accepted them yet. Maybe smokey just needs some time to get used to them like a dog. maybe he isn't as smart as we think
Locke and Sawyer by Jonah Echo	Apr 11th, 2007 01:19:24 PM
I imagine that if Locke knew that his father was the man responsible for Sawyer's issues, he very well might go and get Sawyer. He did help Charlie back in season 1. Also, theres those tell tale signs of a fight(complete with bandaged hand) that Locke had when he talked to Kate. Im guessing Locke already had "family time" with Daddy by the point he talks to Kate and decides to leave. Did he kill him? Its unlikely I think. But at two different points in the series Ben seemingly tried to warm up to both Sawyer and Locke, and if he knew they both had a common ground, who knows?
Why didn't I notice it before? by Mastashake	Apr 11th, 2007 01:19:50 PM
SMOKEY AND VINCENT ARE COUSINS!
...Im waitin for... by mr ahole ramirez	Apr 11th, 2007 01:20:09 PM
...a smokey flashback wit him chillin wit his cousin the green smoke monster...it could be like a buddy-monster episode wit black smokey tryin to rip trees apart and throw people around while green smokey is just clumsyin around, tryin to get people high...also we could name the green smokey, Kirsten Dunst...
Ausiello by PwnedByStallone	Apr 11th, 2007 01:25:24 PM
What a dildo. His column is like a needle being driven into my head. Anyway if the last episode is Jack centric that would be a serious mistake on this hows part. It has to be Ben.
For that matter, what are the various Lostie's... by Childe Roland	Apr 11th, 2007 01:28:26 PM
...crimes or sins that they are being judged by? I've been keeping kind of a running tally: Jack, Locke and Claire seem to be without sin prior to landing on the Island. Yet Locke, who doesn't seem sorry for anything he's done in his life, has already gotten his reward while Jack, who's sorry for shit he didn't even do, still seems to be going through the ringer. Claire's test was her pregnancy and childbirth, which I thnk we can all agree she passed and received a reward for in her healthy son. Sawyer was a con man who preyed on people's hopes and emotions (although it could be argued he was testing people's resolve against their greed and lust, making him a tempter and instrument of the Island more than a sinner to be tested) and doesn't seem the least bit remorseful. Clearly he's greedy. I'd have thought the smoke monster would've come for him by now. But it's looking more and more like the island's actually going to give him what he wants most (a chance at revenge on Locke's dad, the man who conned his mom). Sayid tortured people, but seems to have already come to terms with that and has apologized to the people he felt he needed to. Even if he did it again, I don't think Smoky would kill him for hurting folks. Only if he failed to feel and express remorse for it (like Eko). Then there's Jin, who seems to be sorry for his entire pre-Island life (as an angry criminal and would-be hit man for his pops in law). Aside from lapsing into ocassional fits of wrath in season one (for which he's apologized), he seems to be doing just fine on the Island. And his wife, a lustful adulteress who, it seems, is very sorry for that transgression, has been given the baby she thought she couldn't have. Which brings us to the Wonder Twins of self pity: Hurley and Charlie. Hurley's sin is clearly gluttony, which he was tested with earlier in the series (being put in charge of the food). He seems to have eventually passed that test (although he's still inexplicably fat) and was rewarded with his VW bus ride. Charlie, who's failure to act (be it due to apathy or sloth) to save himself or anyone he cared about in his previous life seems to be his sin, is being tested right now with the knowledge that acting to save another will almost certainly kill him. I'm not including any of the characters who were killed by the free will of other characters or whose tests were orchestrated by the Others (who are, I believe, being tested themselves). So Shannon, Boone, Ana and Libby really were kind of "pointless" deaths in the grand scheme of the Island's purpose. What that purpose is (other than to test), I have yet to come up with a decent theory for. I still think it's a man-made purgatory.
My vote goes to Desmond by Mastashake	Apr 11th, 2007 01:30:57 PM
the season finale should be a desmond flashback. Except he flashes... DUM DUM DUM... Forward. Could be kinda cool, seeing where all our losties are a couple years down the line. Some of them would have adopted the others. Some would have probably stormed alcatraz or othersville and started a new society. That would be cool, we would still probably get as many answers as a flashback to the far past cause by then everybody would know a lot more.
These spoilers are weak. by CorpseRide	Apr 11th, 2007 01:36:36 PM
About a week ago folks thought there was a "DeGroot-centric" ep coming up. Now they are of the opinion that whilst it will feature the DeGroots, it will not be DeGroot-centric per se. This site always seems to be a week or so out of touch with its Lost spoilers. If people want better quality spoilers, there are various sites out there. It's a matter of taste, but my personal favorite is this page: http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/ Season_3/prespoilers I'd trust the folks over at Lostpedia before anyone else.
Smokey is a metaphore by Kloipy	Apr 11th, 2007 01:38:43 PM
for the dream that Sayid is having about the whole show. That's how it will end people
Childe Roland by biggles2_22	Apr 11th, 2007 01:40:14 PM
My theory is that Juliet was NOT being pursued by Smokey. Kate was the one with the X on her back. If you'll remember, when the gals were cowering in some trees, Smokey eyeballed Juliet, did some sort of scan (with a flash) and backed off. This leads me to believe that Juliet was never in harms way from Smokey. Oh, and regarding how Claire and Sun got preggers and the Others have not, I've got two words: Doggie-style. Yum!
Sayid is an autistic boy by Kloipy	Apr 11th, 2007 01:42:16 PM
looking into a snow globe
re: Hurely conning Sawyer by buffywrestling	Apr 11th, 2007 01:48:03 PM
As I said in the last tb before it got squashed, I get that they are trying to redeem Sawyer and in the last ep, they were using Sun and her censuring looks as his yardstick. The only thing is that her yardstick is not much taller than Sawyer's, what with her keeping things from Jin. And I get that that Ben, who's character has been defined as a master malnipulator, could best Sawyer into believing something that wasn't true. But Hurley? Really? Table tennis? Reverse psychology? Sawyer might not have been the best con man but he has certainly been portrayed as a decent player of the game. If it is your feeling to be okay with that, I'm not going to begrudge you that fact, but it falls flat for me. When Jack was Sawyer's foil, it never seemed silly. Sexy - god, yes, but silly?
Poor Psychic Cop guy from Heros by jimbojones123	Apr 11th, 2007 01:51:56 PM
Matt -- that's his name. Monster musta been really mad at him -- he didn't even brain scan him like Eko and Juliette.
Entertainment Weekly Doc Jensen article by VaderSabre	Apr 11th, 2007 01:52:05 PM
Jensen seems quite psyched about tonight, as well as the next few up. There's some words worth reading -- http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0 ,,20034304,00.html --
...the real shows endin... by mr ahole ramirez	Apr 11th, 2007 01:55:39 PM
...Isaac Mendez wakes up from a heroin binge and sees he painted a picture of a group of people stuck on a island...then he rips it up and throws it away...
Childe Roland -- Lostie's sins by VaderSabre	Apr 11th, 2007 01:56:13 PM
That's a good point re: Jack, Locke, and Claire. There might be something to Jack's guilt it was his fault his dad died. In season 1 his mom seemed to place some blame on him, I believe. Claire's could be a pregnancy out of wedlock, but that might place emphasis on a cultural/religious imposition. Locke -- damn, I can't narrow that down. Anyone?
Locke: by CorpseRide	Apr 11th, 2007 02:03:14 PM
Vanity is a sin. Or, rather, pride. He does seem very proud of himself. But doesn't the monster consider him "good"? Why look for his "sin", I think he'd been categorised as a "good guy", by Jacob/Cerebus.
Locke wasn't always proud of himself. by Childe Roland	Apr 11th, 2007 02:16:22 PM
Remember when he was convinced the hatch had been yet another con he fell for? He was very down on himself for a long while after that. Only recently has he climbed out of the self-pity hole and sort of surpassed the quiet-yet-humble confidence he exuded early in the show. I think he's starting to believe his own hype (and the smoke monster Ben's blowing up his ass), which would definitely make him ripe for the pride sin. It'll be interesting to see at what moment the Island or Old Smoky pick up on that change in his character and how he's treated after that. Will his legs give out again? Interestingly, I think Ben's crossed over into serious envy territory since meeting Locke. Have we covered off on all seven yet?
Come to think of it: Se&en deadly sins... by Childe Roland	Apr 11th, 2007 02:18:19 PM
...seven stranded castaways on Gilligan's Island. Coincidence? I think not.
Of course I meant "Se7en deadly sins... by Childe Roland	Apr 11th, 2007 02:19:55 PM
..." in the post above ('cause you can't tell me Ben Linus doesn't have a copy of John Doe's manifesto in his bungalow somewhere).
start calling Smokey "Little Buddy" by Kloipy	Apr 11th, 2007 02:23:27 PM
and there you go
Smoke Monster and "good" and "bad" people by Dapper Swindler	Apr 11th, 2007 02:26:10 PM
I don't think the smoke monster is judging people for their "sins". This show is called "Lost". Whenever the question is asked, what is this show about? The producers respond, this show is about people who are lost on an island and are lost in their lives. Those are the bad people, the characters who are "lost" in their lives. Locke wasn't lost on the island, he wanted to be on the island. Because of their past lives, they are (as Mikhail put it) angry, etc. In other words, they lack focus. And this keeps them from communicating with the island. And this makes the island protect itself by unleashing smoke monster as a self-defensive measure. Although, I'm not saying the monster isn't man-made. It could easily have been made to weed out people who aren't supposed to be there.
season finale foilers suck by leesheri	Apr 11th, 2007 02:28:22 PM
spoilerfix had the season finale as bencentric (they changed it today). Now that is a foiler that is going to piss people off. Bencentric vs. Jackcentric. Hello! of course the fans want Ben over Jack. Leaking false information is uncool, because the false info is so much better than the true info. Now, saying it's a Jack episode when it will actually be a Ben episode... that is cool.
OK... by david19	Apr 11th, 2007 02:31:03 PM
I conceed that there is one MAJOR thing that bugs me about this show. If Capn Jack is right (and damn you for spilling spoilers without warning us first! I couldnt resist!) and Jack saves Juliet before she spills the beans, then tonights Ep might leave me a bit pissed. I have to say, last week when Juliet seemed like she hadn't ever seen the smoke monster I got excited. The mystery of season 1 was so much fun, and I miss that but dont despise the direction of the show either. But faced once again with the prospect that the island wasnt completely discovered even by the Others i felt the show was coming back to first season glory. My problem is that the writers seem to be taking too many storytelling short cuts. Its seems like every time the characters are put in a position to find out some real information either some convenient interruption happens or they dont ask pertinent questions. For example, not once last week did Kate deem it important to press the issue of the smoke monster. The same thing happened with Jack and Cindy. And Jack and Juliet. And Jack and Ben. And Locke and Ben. Thus far Lost has been such an engaging show. I really enjoy a lot of the plot points that have been introduced (ie. Desmond Quantam Man blew me away, creepy white haired Other chick is a great addition, John falling to the ground, the real Sawyer strapped to a chair) but i think it was lazy to have Jack Sawyer and Kate all in the Others camp for the first quarter of the season and not reveal at least some secrets. On top of that, they seemed to indicate that one-eyed man would be relevant in some way, but after leading him around the jungle neither Locke, Sayid, Kate, or Danielle thought to ask him anything pertinent, then they just killed him off. So far this show has been a great ride, and i hope the ends justifies the means, but it seems to me that they have been taking these characters that we have come to care so much about, and deconstructing them to the point that they just dont seem all that believable anymore. Its not over till its over, but they need to hand the Losties back their balls, and quick. I was thrilled at the end of season 2 when Jack looks at Kate on the pier and nods to her. I thought that he had some sort of plan. Did anyone else think the same?
Locke's Vanity by CorpseRide	Apr 11th, 2007 02:31:36 PM
Yeah, he was down for a while... but then again I consider self-pity a form of vanity, so it's all the same to me....
My Lost Theories: by StubePT	Apr 11th, 2007 02:40:33 PM
Good versus Bad - Ben often refers to people as being good or bad. The children are good; the kidnapped are good; the survivors are mostly bad. Those who are deemed "bad" have sinned prior to coming to the island. Except Locke. Locke - When Ben was being held in the bunker, he told Locke that the Others wanted to take him because he was good. They just never could. Smokie the Monster - Smokie has the ability to look into the souls of the people it runs across. The first encounter, Smokie will "take a picture". For the bad ones, they will see horrific images of their past in the black smoke (like Eko). The good will see beautiful white flashes of light (as Locke and now Juliet witnessed). The bad will then be killed by Smokey upon their second encounter. If you remember in Season 1 when Locke, Jack and Kate were walking back with the dynamite, Smokey grabbed Locke. Locke told Jack to let him go. He was not afraid of Smokey because Smokey saw Locke as good. The Island - It's magic. It grants wishes like a genie. Whatever you most desire, it will provide. Locke wanted to walk again. Rose wanted to be cancer-free. Charlie wanted his guitar. Sawyer wants to come face-to-face with the Real Sawyer (Locke's dad?). Walt - Walt was unique because he possessed the same power as the island but outside of the island. If you remember in his flashbacks, he seemed to have the uncanny ability to make things randomly appear. That's why the Others were so very interested in him. Sins - Jack is still unknown. Kate is a killer. Sawyer is a killer/con-man. Sayid is a torturer. Charlie is a drug-abuser. Claire put her mother in a coma. Sun is an adulterer. Jin is still unknown. Hurley's curse has caused much death and destruction. Locke has none. Juliet has none. Eko was a murderer and drug trafficer.
groan by Steve_Dooku	Apr 11th, 2007 02:41:54 PM
Ben has her rehearsing the plan.Everything from dragging Kate out to the jungle handcuffing themselves together and coming back to the camp. - Even the implant they put into Claire to make her sick in the next 48 hours where he will leave the meds so she can save the day. He then gives her a gas mask and tells her he will see her in a week. I hope there is a good reason for all this crap because that is pretty whacked. Jack bails her out before she can answer any questions. Great.
I think pretty much all the Losties... by Childe Roland	Apr 11th, 2007 02:42:49 PM
...have or, until recently, had some degree of "poor me" syndrome going on. But I see Locke's climb from self pity and doubt to supreme confidence to outright arrogance as the kind of Hubris Greek tragedies are built on. He could become a very bad baddie and remain sympathetic by virtue of what we've seen him go through. That would be a helluva direction for the character arc and would really force Jack to man up.
emeraldboy by Calculon	Apr 11th, 2007 02:43:33 PM
Breathe. Now take a moment to collect your thoughts. OK, now you can type. Don't worry, no one is going to scoop you on these Earth-shattering revelations. There's no need for run-on sentences to capture that stream of consciousness. And wait...before you submit, please spell check. Thank you.
And in the Gilligan's Island metaphor... by Childe Roland	Apr 11th, 2007 02:43:59 PM
...Locke is Gilligan, constantly thwarting any development that might lead to answers about or a way off the island. Which, by implication, suggests that Gilligan didn't really want the castaways to get off that island, either. Hmmm...
Good vs. Bad by PwnedByStallone	Apr 11th, 2007 02:44:47 PM
I think the argument is kind of pointless. Obviously all the characters fall into some kind of gray area, which is how people actually are in real life unless your in Bushworld, so arguing who's good and who's bad and that Smokey is deciding this is kind of ridiculous and childish. I believe the smoke monster is nothing more than an emotionless machine that has either malfunctioned or is being controlled by some yet unknown person for some unknown purpose. It's actions have been randomn since day one.
And you're entitled to your belief, Pwned... by Childe Roland	Apr 11th, 2007 02:51:24 PM
...(which I shared until recently, but Smokey's behavior really doesn't support that interpretation...especially post Eko), but your assertions that theories which differ from your own (and happen to be based on evidence the show is providing) are somehow foolish or childish really just reveals you as the sort of pompous asshole the rest of us would feed to the smoke monster at first opportunity (after torturing you a bit with no specific questions for you to answer). So how about stuffing your groundless smugness down your hatch and pressing the button to keep it from getting out again?
This season Has finally picked up by Phategod2	Apr 11th, 2007 03:03:47 PM
And hopefully it can continue the trip back over the shark.
Oh yeah by Phategod2	Apr 11th, 2007 03:04:47 PM
I think Sayiid is the mole.
Maybe by areynol2	Apr 11th, 2007 03:04:49 PM
Jack and Ben are the same person and both "jack centric" and "ben centric" are right.
Childe Roland by PwnedByStallone	Apr 11th, 2007 03:14:40 PM
And why don't you fucking take a pill? I think you read a lot more into my post than was intended. Must be a Republican to get that kind of violent, knee jerk reaction. Go write another two page long post nobody gives a fuck enough to read.
Phategod by david19	Apr 11th, 2007 03:16:41 PM
I agree. While the first half of this season was iffy, it has picked up. I miss the more focused story of season 1 where we constantly saw every character every week. It has become a different show, and all the characters are very distant to each other right now, but i do think (or hope) that at some point they will come back to Jacks "live together or die alone". Hopefully by the end of Losts run we will all llook back on our frustration and say "OOOHHHHH!!!!! Now I see what they were doing!" Or we'll say "What a waste of a Wednesday that was."
Juliet and Sun by Calculon	Apr 11th, 2007 03:19:18 PM
I think we all know how Sun got pregnant. I mean, do I have to post a picture? [Illogical Lesbian Implication™ brought to you by Calculon, who encourages you all to envision a Lost spinoff including Juliet, Sun, Kate, an undead Nikki, and Bai Ling]
The reason I keep watching by Dapper Swindler	Apr 11th, 2007 03:23:21 PM
Is because when they do give you answers, after teasing and teasing for months or years - the answers are so satisfying that you can see it really was planned all along and everthing comes together and makes sense.
Calculon by david19	Apr 11th, 2007 03:25:21 PM
What a lame attempt at humor..... and yet it brought up an interesting point, one I'm sure someone must have pointed out. What if Juliet is somehow directly or indirectly responsible for Sun's pregnancy? Has anyone pointed this out yet?
Nobody knows by Leopold Scotch	Apr 11th, 2007 03:32:10 PM
If all this monster judgement crap is as straightforward as everyone here is saying, I'll be disappointed. The fact is that it's just speculation. For all we know, the monster is like the Wizard of Oz, and it assumes different appearances depending on who it confronts. As such, all this boring "sin" bullshit might be just that, because you're all basing your judgement theories on Eko's experience with the monster, and we all know that Eko himself (being a religious man) was largely concerned with sin. Who's to say that it's the same with eveyone? And Ben and Mikhail's comments about Locke being "good": I don't think it's as simple as morality. All those theories about Karma etc are carelessly stretched out and they ignore about a hundred inconsistencies. I for one am confident that the monster's actions will be explained better than "Eko had it coming from a moral standpoint, John didn't, and neither did Jack, Claire, Jin, Hurley (blah blah blah) because they are all pure and innocent." Cos that's just lame.
I agree Dapper, my imagination is always on overload!!! by NoPIX	Apr 11th, 2007 03:32:45 PM
I LOVE THIS SHOW!!!
Things to consider RE: Smokey by slone13	Apr 11th, 2007 03:34:39 PM
1) As jimbojones mentioned, the pilot didn't seem to be "judged" by Smokey at all when he was killed. Plus, he seemed like a rather nice fellow in the Claire flashback. 2) People seem to be forgetting that Smokey attacked Locke. He tried to drag him into the ground and only let go when Jack threw dynamite down the hole. 3) Rousseau doesn't seem to fear Smokey. But I don't think it's because Smokey has scanned her and found her to be "good", thereby allowing her to live.
I'm enjoying the amount of Jack love in this thread. by Cameron1	Apr 11th, 2007 03:35:07 PM
Everyone I know thinks he's a douche but I keep telling them he's the best of the lot, committed, honourable, proactive and damn smart. I agree that Juliet is definitely playing him and that's a shame but hopefully he'll pull it back in the finale.
Leopold Scotch - I completely agree by Dapper Swindler	Apr 11th, 2007 03:37:05 PM
Their definitions of "good" and "bad" aren't the same as ours.
Rousseau's comement was that it is a security system by Dapper Swindler	Apr 11th, 2007 03:39:26 PM
It isn't judging people by morality, but rather who is meant to be on the island - which has something to do with personalities but not necessarily morality as you guys are suggesting.
Dapper by david19	Apr 11th, 2007 03:46:03 PM
I totally agree. They obviously know where they are going with this. My feeling (and I could be wrong) is that they have new writers on staff. It just seems silly that they keep putting the characters in prime positions to get answers then not giving up anything. I don't mind drawing things out, but lazy story-telling makes me nervous. It pisses people off and Im worried it will piss of the actors and then we will get abrupt departures leaving certain character stories hanging. It was tough enough having Eko leave unexpectedly, I would hate to see one of the other major characters leave. Already we have had a number of characters depart rather prematurely. Some of them I could do without (I CANT STAND Michelle Rodriguez), some of them had sad but poignant departures (ie Boone), and some were abrupt and unnecessary (mainly Shannon in my mind, a character who had so much room to grow and was never given a chance, and who's death seems to have, at least so far, neutered Sayid's character).
Mene Mene Tekel Upharsin by Fount of Useless Info	Apr 11th, 2007 03:48:50 PM
Judging the main 815 passengers. Someone brought this idea up earlier, and I thought it would be good to try to capture it. Locke: Did he kill the cop at the weed farm? Apparently not. He's been judged as good. Jack: Betrayed his father. (Could consider this the right thing to do, but the idea of what is good/evil seems a bit murky) Also neglected his wife that he had married only because he felt the need to fix her. Sayid: Tortured people. Eko: Drug lord. Sawyer: Con man. Murderer. Jin: Perhaps not murderer, but awfully close to it. Sun: Betrayed husband. Possibly carrying another guy's kid. Charlie: Drug addict who blames his brother for his addiction and resents his brother's new clean life. Hurley: Gluttony? Greed? I'm not so sure on this one. Kate: Sociopath in hottie's clothing. Rose/Bernard: ? Unless the island judge has an issue with interracial marriage, I've got nothing. Ana Lucia: Revenge killer and liar who betrayed her responsibilities as a police officer. Libby: We never got to know enough. Michael: I really can't remember. Was there anything? Maybe that's why he got to leave. He had to come to the island to learn to be evil. Boone: Lust for sister. Shannon: Self-centered, manipulative and a con artist. Pikki: Thieves and murderers. Claire: Maybe smokey or whoever judges on craphole island doesn't like unwed mothers. Alternatively, maybe she's good and that's why she's alive and still has Aaron. I'm not sure on this one either. Did I forget any main people?
You call that violent and knee-jerk, Pwned? by Childe Roland	Apr 11th, 2007 03:57:47 PM
You're more sensitive than I'd have imagined, especially given the complete lack of braoder understanding you've demonstrated concerning perceptions that differ from your own in this and virtually every other Lost talkback I've seen you post in. You imagine yourself quite the Internet authority on the topic of this show and you attack anyone who disagrees with your interpretations. Bully for you, tough guy. But you also presume way too much. I have no idea how you got to politics from my telling you you were coming off like an asshole, but you would need to actually leave the planet to be further off base in your presumption about my politics. WHat that says about your presumptions concerning the show, I'll let the rest of the talkback sort out for themselves. In the meantime, do keep blustering about not reading posts you then respond to, though. It's almost as amusing as your pretending to have the first idea what you're typing about.
Good and Bad and Inbetween. by Cameron1	Apr 11th, 2007 03:59:17 PM
See, I think the way the deaths have gone down is as follows - Boone was Locke's fault, not the island's. We don't know anything about Steve (or scott), the guy that Ethan killed so for all we know he could have been a kiddy fiddling cannibal. Charlie was a definite bastard in his old life, Ethan killing him can be argued as moral (plus I think that the island gave him a second chance after the hanging and he fucked it all up with hurting Sun and now he's living on borrowed time like Desmond says. Arzt's death was hiw own fault not the islands, Shannon was again not the islands doing.The guy Goodwin killed could also have a been a psycho-necrophiliac-killer. The others pushed Michael to kill Ana the murderer and Libby was an accident, all the kids they took are definitely in a safe place in my opinion. So it's very very possible to make a case for the others and the island to be saving and protecting the good or innocent people.
More by Leopold Scotch	Apr 11th, 2007 04:10:21 PM
I don't think deaths on the island (or deaths by the monster) can be attributed to justice and morality. Rather, I'd say it's more to do with the determination aspect. It's about fate, not justice. Who cares if someone was a heroin addict, or someone else had a kid but wasn't married? I mean I'm glad found of useless info went to all the effort of making that big list, but only because it shows how much that particular theory has to be stretched to make it valid. Speculation is the best part of theses talkbacks, so don't be offended if all the morality stuff is something you adhere to, but I just hope there's more to it than "he/she deserved to die from a moral standpoint".
fount by Leopold Scotch	Apr 11th, 2007 04:11:59 PM
Sorry. I'm typing in the dark.
Agreed on Smokey... by biggles2_22	Apr 11th, 2007 04:15:02 PM
...the more I watch the more I think it's just a security system that determines a safety factor of the people that it encounters. That "safety factor" is whether or not they are in control of their thoughts and emotions. If you're still a hatchet weilding psycho, guess what? Smokey will bounce you like a new Spaulding.
Leopold by Cameron1	Apr 11th, 2007 04:16:03 PM
I think that aspect of determination is something very important in fact I hope there is a least some pseudo mathematical/scientific reasoning for how they all ended up on the plane etc etc but I do think that there is also an aspect of morality at play there, especially with the Others setting themselves up as good guys and with how the characters lives on the island correspond to their morraly attribuatable action off the island. But yeh I agree that hopefully it's going to be much more than a "learn to be good or die!!!" type of thing. And hell knowing this show I'm probably all types of wrong about all of this.
Juliet's "Non-Smirk" by ToughGuyRizzo	Apr 11th, 2007 04:17:50 PM
I just want to fuckin slap that shit right off her face when she does that. Let's see, I agree that Sayid should just be like, "spill you guts." However, Pussy-whipped jack won't allow that to happen, because well, he didn't allow it to happen to Ben....(but later admitted it should have continued) Claire's sickness/baby story will hopefully fit with Juilet being on the beach now. If I were Sawyer, I'd never allow her to stay one night on the beach. The chick's still lying, and even tho she turned on Jack dring the surgery, Jack's still cool with her. Fuck spiting Kate, he's bringing and OTHER to the beach to live. FUCK THAT NOISE. I'm with Sayid.
As for deciding who should be on the island by Leopold Scotch	Apr 11th, 2007 04:23:06 PM
I think that people on the island are meant to have some kind of profound responsibility if they're to live there. It relates to my "throne of the gods" theory, which is just as speculative as the theories I've targetted above. Maybe the monster judges whether or not they're worthy to stay on the island (but I still think this goes further than whether or not they're sinners in the conventional sense).
Cameron by david19	Apr 11th, 2007 04:26:43 PM
Hmm I dont really know where I stand on all this good\bad stuff, but Im not sure i agree with all your conclusions. I don't think it would be definate to say Boone was Lockes fault, after all Locke didnt push the plane over. Charlie is iffy - no commment. Arzt was an accident, but like Boone you could say the island was responsible (although again that is uncertain). In the end I dont think it is valid anymore due to what we now know about the Others and Dharma to assume what we did before about the nature of the Island. My guess is that it is not an issue of morality, at least not completely, like we considered back when theories of the island being purgatory were popular. I'm not discounting the purgatory ideas completely, but based on what we know I think the answers in the end will be more scientific then mystical (which may turn out to be dissapointing, like learning that the magic trick you found so mind-blowing had a simple unimpressive explanation). Whatever the case may be, the fact remains that it is still too early to say for sure about anything. Now if we could just get solid some answers...
emeraldboy - Locke's story is not at the end... by Russman	Apr 11th, 2007 04:30:41 PM
EPs noted in an interview that Locke 's journey (because of his connection of the island) is sort of the main focus or heart of the entire overall story.
Smokey by leesheri	Apr 11th, 2007 04:31:19 PM
If smokey is just a security system that kills those that aren't stable... why didn't it kill Ethen or Nathan. Both men killed people. Why isn't it killing people before they kill? I am still convinced it is finding people worthy or not. Whether that is by a set of programed rules or what it sees in their head I don't know.
Let's just say it is a security system... by Dapper Swindler	Apr 11th, 2007 04:38:33 PM
And that Juliet is lying and the Others have control over it. Remember how it went right up to Juliet and Kate, it made flashing lights at Juliet. Probably "scanning her mind" the same way it did Eko (and presumably Locke during his "beautiful light" experience). By scanning her, smokie realized she was an Other, and then promptly retreated. By the next day, Smokie learned that Juliet is no longer with the Others and therefore is trespassing on the island. This all fits in with what Rousseau originally said about Smokie being a security system that protects the island. I'm not saying I even agree with my own theory here, but the pieces do seem to fit together.
Don't misunderstand the Se7en Deadly Sins... by Childe Roland	Apr 11th, 2007 04:39:19 PM
...theory I was kicking around as some reflection of whether or not I think the characters deserve to be judged for perceived sins. That just seems to be what Smokey and the Island are doing to these Losties (at least the ones that don't die by accident or kill each other): Making them confront things in their past that fit a predefined criteria for "good" or "bad" and, if the latter, offering an opportunity to repent. I sincerely hope that there's more to the Island than that (which is why I'm still entertaining the notion that it's some bizarre purgatory experiment concocted by someone with a rather frighteningly hard-line view of morality), but the more we see of Smokey's interactions with the Losties, the more I buy into the argument that it's somehow become sentient and is judging people based on what it sees (and, actually, a computer trying to wrestle with complex issues of morality would kind of explain the seemingly black-and-white/simplistic approach it's taking to the determination of who gets punished and who gets rewarded). As always, just thoughts based on what we've seen so far.
The smoke monster by emeraldboy	Apr 11th, 2007 04:44:09 PM
When Juliet and Kate were in that tree, hiding, smokey passed Juliet by, temporarily, stopping and it appeared to look her in the eye. So I think The Smoke monster is some kind of Scanning device, juliet said that they had cameras all over the island. The same thing happened to Locke in season one. When He was asked about it in season one he said that he saw into the soul of the Island and what he saw was beautiful. I am just getting a little suspicous of John Locke. Why did he leave kate on her own and then go with her when kate, sayid and jack and juliet were going into the forrest. his behaviour is odd, really odd. almost as if he is an other himself or something. Kate gave up all the info after being tortured one presumes. One presumes there is a connection between locke and Ben Linus, otherwise why bring lockes dad to the Island.
smoky the alien by Steve_Dooku	Apr 11th, 2007 04:44:51 PM
that is afraid of water? Why doesn't it just go to the beach and whack everybody it deems "dangerous"? The closest it ever got was the tree line.
Ditto, Childe. by Cameron1	Apr 11th, 2007 04:45:44 PM
The Others talk about who's good and who's bad, that's evidence enough to say there is an element of morality to it all. Not that that is the only thing or even main thing, but I have to say it's something you can't really ignore, morality and mortality being so closely correlated on the island.
What Russman and Leesheri just said by Leopold Scotch	Apr 11th, 2007 04:50:34 PM
Could support my overall grand theory of the show (which, although flawed, is going on what we know so far off the top of my head). I'll post my theory in a few minutes, but skip it if you don't like long posts.
See, by emeraldboy	Apr 11th, 2007 04:56:02 PM
The writers are slowly but surely resolving this series to the point where next will be the last. Or season 5. Because the writers will have to explain the whole antartica thing(season 2 finale": mrs. widmore: we have found it..."
Leopold Scotch - I've read your theory before by Dapper Swindler	Apr 11th, 2007 05:01:17 PM
It is basically the same as mine (and therefore correct!) and NetProphecy, and a few other people. But I'm interested in how you will fit Smoke Monster into it because I can't make heads or tails of that thing.
Long posts aren't a problem, Leopold... by Childe Roland	Apr 11th, 2007 05:01:55 PM
...at least for those of us with an open mind and an attention span longer than a gnat's pecker. ;)
Smoky bullshit by ToughGuyRizzo	Apr 11th, 2007 05:25:12 PM
Although it's been mentioned, yeah, smoky can lift Eko up 20-some feet in the air to crush him against trees, but shits it pants at a sonic barrier, chasing island "hostiles?" It was chasing for a reason? So, it just gave up. Hosed. So many scattered deals with this thing makes me upset at myself for specualting further. When it is explained sometime, I think I might be intrested, but I just don't find the smoke monster an appealing storyline anymore. But sadly, I'll keep watching.
Juliet the baby doctor spoliers by buffywrestling	Apr 11th, 2007 05:45:13 PM
I just thought of something and this is just speculation on my part. If Juliet is part of the plan in manipulating Claire to get at her baby, what will happen when she finds out Sun is pregnant? Will the Others try to kidnap her too? And dare I say, that perhaps Charlie will spill the beans again but this time to Jin? Sawyer could be in serious trouble if everyone starts believing Sawyer participated in Sun's abduction(s) - mole for the Others - and Jin starts gunning for him - it's a hitman pun!
My (mess of a) theory by Leopold Scotch	Apr 11th, 2007 05:48:45 PM
I’ve posted this a couple of times before, but a few new things occurred to me. It probably won’t be news to lots of fans who’ve already entertained the thought and I’m aware that the whole post is a structural mess. But still... What if the island isn’t purgatory, but a site from which the world/universe is ordered? The Dharma initiative didn’t create all the supernatural occurrences, but they found the island and knew from the numbers (the Valenzetti equation, which is connected to the island) that unless they did something, the world would end. Very few people so far have asked what the fuck all this end of the world/numbers stuff has to do with the island, and I would suggest, based on what we know so far, that people on the island control and even determine events in the outside world. And I mean ALL the outside world. That’s why everyone seems to be connected, that’s why everything seems predetermined (see Des and his plight, plus Hugo and his curse etc). It’s like a boardroom for the gods. It also explains how Juliet’s ex gets hit by a bus, why Jack fell out of the sky (among many other things I’m sure you can come up with yourself). But try as these people might, the world is still going to end, because despite their power to change events, the numbers still prevail. The Dharma initiative’s futile attempts to change the numbers connected to the island (and therefore avoid the end of the world) has resorted in the island (or its inhabitants) to attract more people who might be able to do something about it. It also helps explain the appearance of people and things on and off the island. The island’s inhabitants have the power to control what’s going to happen all over the world. We see that Hurley is able to “break” his curse simply by wanting to, because now he’s on the island, he’s granted that power over the universe (incidentally, it was only through the numbers that he got exactly what he wanted when he wasn’t even on the island - he won the lotto). Ben suggested it was fate that Jack fell out of the sky when he needed a spinal surgeon (not just a spinal surgeon but perhaps the best one on the planet), and yet he later claims that Locke ran out of the trees and blew up the sub because Ben himself WANTED it. So which is it, fate or desire? I’d say it was Ben’s desires which shaped, or "determined" the events. It follows that it wasn’t just Des who crashed the plane: maybe it was Ben’s need for a spinal surgeon which caused the island to make a tear in Kelvin’s protective suit, which caused Des to leave the hatch, which caused the incident, which caused the plane with the surgeon on it to crash. Of course, there were other people on the plane who were just as important to the island as Jack, but we don’t know how all the complexities work. But we have to ask ourselves, if some of the islands inhabitants (the gods occupying the throne, as it were) are determining world events, are they exempt from determination themselves? The fact that Ben got a tumour would suggest that they’re just vehicles for things to play out as well. As or John, maybe his hitherto unmatched affinity with the island means that he was the most important man on the plane. Maybe he has been convinced that he’s going to be some kind of god, the first person (for however long) to get the island (and the world) to do exactly what he wants (once he understands everything) at any time through the complex webs of pre-determined relationships and events that we’ve seen in almost every flashback so far. As for the monster, all I can think of at the moment is that it is (as others have said) trying to evaluate whether or not people are worthy of the responsibility of occupying the throne (or whether or not they have the kind of affinity/power that Locke and Ben have – and there are many characters who apparently don’t). Maybe the monster is concerned with moral judgement, maybe it’s something more. Something else just occurred to me: if this theory holds any water, then it would follow that the island obviously can’t be overpopulated due to a conflict of interests between many inhabitants resulting in some kind of disaster (not everyone can get what they want if there’s a conflict of interests – maybe overpopulation on the island is how the world is meant to be destroyed). The best solution is to make sexual reproduction impossible on the island, so that the only way to replace these world controllers is to draw in worthy replacements from the outside world. But whatever force organises the world can’t just kill off everyone who doesn’t matter or isn’t worthy (or perhaps doesn’t have that power on the island), because this force knows that some of these people will be able to influence the actions, values and opinions of those who do matter/who do have the power.
Kate's (or what should be) conversation to Sayid.... by ToughGuyRizzo	Apr 11th, 2007 05:50:11 PM
On the way back to the beach: Kate: You're right about not wanting her to come along. She lied about being gassed and left behind. She and I were cuffed together. We were chased by the monster. At first, Juliet said she didn't know what it was. When we were chased again, we came to the sonic fence. Juliet uncuffed me, with a key she was holding and said she knew the monster did not like the fence and that we would be safe. If we've learned anythign from Ben, oh, I forgot, he's called Ben, the man from the hatch who we thought was named Henry Gale. We still can never trust ANY of The Others. After everything, it all boils down to them consistantly lying to us and only helping themselves. Sayid: Fuck yes. I so want to stab that bitch.
Why doesn't Smoky just REACH OVER the barrier? by Triumph poops!	Apr 11th, 2007 05:52:56 PM
Last week, what I didn't understand is why it just rammed itself into the sonic wall, and then backed away like an animal that just couldn't figure it out. But clearly there's dead space or a "gap" OVER the sonic wall, or at least directly over the columns that generate it, since we saw Kate climb over such a spot (using the fallen tree) while the barrier was still on. And as someone noted, we've seen how much Smokey's tendrils can curl about and extend and whatnot...
So Paulo and Nikki are really dead!? by Blarney-Man	Apr 11th, 2007 06:14:42 PM
Well then I have fucking had it with this show. If they introduce characters only to kill them off when we give a shit I am seriously fucking sick of this crap.
Smokey,the sonic barrier, Goddard by fatsackowind	Apr 11th, 2007 06:14:43 PM
I just figured Smokey making contact with the barrier did something to freak it out, not that it couldn't get over the wall, but touching the sonic-y repellant, well, repelled it. and, yes, daniel kurland, i'm so thankful to have Drew working for LOST. not to mention Brian K. Vaughan, who i'm keeping a close eye on the credits for. i saw a credit for this episode for him as co-writer, but maybe that changed in the final hour?
Leopold by Fount of Useless Info	Apr 11th, 2007 06:17:18 PM
I was applying the good/bad thing to deaths because it had been mentioned, but I think the idea still applies since the Others talk about "good people" and "we're the good guys" and how people aren't worthy. They know about the 815 folks and they have judged them...but on what scale and for what purpose?
leopold scotch by emeraldboy	Apr 11th, 2007 07:19:46 PM
AS i was was watching the DVD, one of the producers Did mention during the episode 23rd psalm, illumanati. These are a secretive group of people whom it is alleged runs the world.
finally by CornsilkSW	Apr 11th, 2007 07:28:34 PM
Getting back into the swing of things. Heroes was eating Lost's lunch for a while, but it's coming back to speed.
climactic play: by areynol2	Apr 11th, 2007 07:47:33 PM
Pass to Smash, block by Riggins. Calling it now
too many talkbacks by areynol2	Apr 11th, 2007 07:48:10 PM
I definitely thought I was on the Friday Night Lights talkback...my bad.
Juliet, Manipulator/Liar by HaveCameraWillTravel	Apr 11th, 2007 07:50:03 PM
Juliet gets the same face, only a female version, that Ben does when he is flat out laying and manipulating people. That reptilian, "you are so stupid so I am playing you" look. Sayid had it right when he said he didn't want to take her back to the beach. Jack is a crap leader to buy her bs. The bitch is lying...I am sure we will find out a lot more of what those Others are up to tonight and I pray they don't try to make us all sympathic to her because the bitch is wacked!
"Fuck yes. I so want to stab that bitch." by trafficguy2000	Apr 11th, 2007 07:55:24 PM
You win the thread! Awesome, you also owe me a key
sigh by trafficguy2000	Apr 11th, 2007 07:56:10 PM
board.
Tonight's episode doesn't change everything (NO SPOILER by DanielKurland	Apr 11th, 2007 08:08:26 PM
It's a pretty good episode with a good ending, but I didn't think it was as amazing as Herc did. A lot of dots, even as far back as season one are connected, and it shows how regimented and planned out this show can be when it wants to. My favorite moment however was this very non-moment happening in the beginning between Sawyer and Jack that is purely due to the characterization and development they've gone through for 3 seasons.
Oh yes, and the redux of Downtown is great... by DanielKurland	Apr 11th, 2007 08:09:55 PM
I enjoyed it a lot.
Lost .The definitive ending by john j rambo	Apr 11th, 2007 08:12:04 PM
And as numerous seasons and a myriad of plot threads all allign and congregate ,we discover THE season finale.The show opens on a tight shot of 'Jack'in the same posistion as we meet him in the 'pilot'.Confused and in pain he rises.As he does so it becomes clear that the floral fauna around him we assumed to be 'jungle'was merely a backdrop.Further as the camsra pans as he sits up we realise he is in a hospital bed.Jack groggily takes the room in.He notices a drip etc..Then the door facing his bed opens. A nurse enters"Doctor Ford!...HE's awake" Jack looks positively what the fucked?Suddenly an orderly bursts into the room."Whoa Dude !" "Call the Doc!""Hes on his way"Replies the nurse(High quality screenwriting by the way ,lucas would be proud!)The camera follows the sound of footsteps as they reach the hospital room door.. until finally the doctor walks in"What is it now freckles? Whats so goddamn important about Rip Van Winkle?"....."oh?" The camera lingers on Jacks face as he does his best im puzzled face (with a hint of anger)"Dude YOU survived a plane crash , thats like better odds than winning the lottery"Remarks the orderly while eating a Twinkie. The Nurse chips in "God Jack, we never thought you'd marshall the strength?"(Tenuous i know, im getting bored)"Jack..".Explains the Doctor."..YOU survived a plane crash.And have been in a coma for however many seasons the network decided to drag it out." Jack is now seriosly miffed and has gone red.A small tear is noticeable."So what about the other passengers of flight 815.. which it has to be said ., you kinda loook like a couple" Pause. Another pause. Go on then one more. "Dude?" "Jack?" "Fuck it".. (sorry thats me, spilt beer.) "No Jack..YOU survived a plane crash , your the only survivor of flight 815..! "Dude" Jack swallowed heavy , "Come to think of it what was that ".He thought "Nevermind". Now Jack was in serious acting mode.His lip Quivered , his muscles tightened and his veins went all sorta puffy."So all this was a dream .An hallucination or something .What about the 'others' the 'smokemonster' TM and all that other shenanigans?" "Unfortunately sloth boy their all manisfestations of your subconcious , and as such dont need any explanation".States the doctor."Oh Jack?"..Whimsys the nurse."Dude"Comments the orderly unnecessarly, while eating a rack of lamb.The camera once more focus's on Jack .His mind a whirl,head spinning . thoughts and voices of events flash through his mind.He sits up ,notices the television in the corner of his room.The theme tune to Gilligans island plays out as we fix on Jacks distraught face .Tears are shed. He looks to his left and apon his bedside table is a snowglobe."Your Mother said that was your favourite toy as a child ..Dude" Jack suddenly seems peaceful .He gingerly clambers from bed ,removes his red ruby slippers and ..."Thank you ,(cough)you saved me i truly am lucky!"....turns to the window and dives head first out crashing to the floor 10 storeys below. "Oh Jack."Winced the nurse. "Jello..go clean up RKelly!" Remarked the doctor sympathetically."Dude" Retorted the orderly whilst clubbing a seal. Pause . Fade out. BEAT. Night.Camera fades in at the Losties beachfront.They are all happy ,sharing food and drinking.Kate ,Sawyer and Hurley all sit together content but with one eye elsewhere, as if concerned .suddenly there is movement in the bushes.they all stand erect (kate not so noticeable).Then Jack appears camera tight on his face.Puffy veins replaced by joy, but still a tear.The group all embrace .The rest of the losties notice the reunion ,and at once there is a sense of communion.Fire bristles, Ewoks dance, and David Bowie plays over the end credits.THE END.
Did anyone else see... by tomthumbstallywhacker	Apr 11th, 2007 08:14:11 PM
When the whole Lost Dharma internet clues thing was happening, there was a document that talked about experiments in dimensional physics, or something, saying that an island could be made to exist in another dimension? The document stated that anyone standing on the island (should it disappear) would experience a "whooshing" sensation and then just plop into the sea along with anything else foreign to the island. Can't find it now, but it would be an interesting route to take. Although unless shit starts happening really quickly, I think the "secret" will be a lot more pedestrian/ predictable. By the way, I'm a lover, not a hater!
Ohhh Jericho Spoiler. by HaveCameraWillTravel	Apr 11th, 2007 08:42:09 PM
If your comment is serious dogapeandman2, I am so looking forward to see that.
Jack/Sawyer US Spoilers by buffywrestling	Apr 11th, 2007 08:47:51 PM
I agree with you, DanielK. Jack and Sawyer on the beach was great : The nod, the handshake, the hug! And then, true to form, they are back snarking at each other again. That's what I'm talking about! Jack did indeed have Sawyer's balls all along. heh. Anyway, I sort of got the impression - although it wasn't stated - from tonight's ep that the island had cured Ben's back cancer, and he was surprised (scared? asked Juliet) that it came back. Did it come back because the sky turned purple? I'd have to watch it again for the time line. I'm also wondering if Ben is a leader of a doomsday cult. Say scientists discovered when the end of the world was going to take place (the numbers). But they also found this anomly of an island that cures disease. They decide to use this island as a "bomb shelter" but they don't know everything about the island yet, so they set up shop to gather as much information as possible. Maybe the smokey monster was an invention of these scientists and its whole supernatural aspect that has been projected to us so far is just a decoy for a surveilence drone to gather subjects and information? Perhaps that is why it didn't go through the electromagnetic barrier in the last ep because it would fucked up the technology that's guiding it. And finally, the King book, CARRIE. It could be another decoy, to throw more theories out there to muddy the waters regarding telekenisis and the supernatural. After all, the best King book that could mirror LOST would be the STAND, considering supernatural and religous aspects. But now I'm wondering if something in the scientific community didn't happen in the year CARRIE was published, that relates to the island and the threat to the entire world.
You guys will love this by chrth	Apr 11th, 2007 08:54:06 PM
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XoanonTORN by jccalhoun	Apr 11th, 2007 09:01:37 PM
Your post went wherever mine went. Must have been another hiccup in the system
Is it wrong by mordiceius	Apr 11th, 2007 09:15:57 PM
that i was hoping for a huge "Welcome to Jurassic Park" sign when she peered up at the island?
Three men and a baby by nam0krut	Apr 11th, 2007 09:30:53 PM
Hah! Thats gotta be one of the all time top 5 "Sawyerisms"
nam0krut by mordiceius	Apr 11th, 2007 09:31:43 PM
i'll admit, it made me laugh. agreed that it's top five, possibly top two imo
So now they think we are stupid??? by jccalhoun	Apr 11th, 2007 09:39:19 PM
Why else would they show us scenes from earlier episodes while Jack and Juliet went over Ethan's kidnapping? On a show full of mysteries and twists and subtle evidence they think they need to show us clips from earlier shows because we can't remember what they are talking about without them? How insulting.
3.21 Charlie Pace by Spice-Orange	Apr 11th, 2007 09:40:33 PM
Charlie must die in this ep... we've been sitting around all season to see if he dies, then he gets a flaskback ep? i learned how to connect the dots back in preschool.
Dr Burke? Dr Shephard? by br1947	Apr 11th, 2007 09:41:10 PM
Ok, someone has probably mentioned this before, but is ABC just fucking with us for fun now or is there a limited supply of Dr names? What's next, McSmokezilla?
should that syringe really be half empty? by jccalhoun	Apr 11th, 2007 09:56:11 PM
is there a reason why the syringe that Juliet used had a huge air bubble in it or has the prop person just never seen a medical show before? and they are just going stay on the beach and let the houses with electricity and running water sit empty?
nice ep by purplemonkeydw	Apr 11th, 2007 10:00:39 PM
is jack playing mind games? did he talk her into becoming one of 'us'? tune in next week, same Lost time, same Lost channel!
The "Requim for a Dream" Preview music!!! by I Dunno	Apr 11th, 2007 10:01:52 PM
That must mean next week will kick ass! And that's the second time it was used for favorite Hobbit Dominique....whatever! duh da duh da duh duh...duh da duh da duh duh...FUCK YEAH! They got nuthin.
wow by reinhold	Apr 11th, 2007 10:02:05 PM
That was some fine television. What an ending!
Ben is a bastard! by MeshGearFoxx	Apr 11th, 2007 10:02:07 PM
And I love him for it. But I hope Juliet doesn't F up the plan. Here I'm cheering for the devious others haha
Alas poor Juliet by Phimseto	Apr 11th, 2007 10:03:06 PM
So Juliet is a really interesting character. Unfortunately, the fact that she chose "Carrie" for her book club bodes poorly for her. It bodes poorly for The Others, too. I'm guessing that in retrospect, Jack's comment about Juliet's eyes when the sub exploded will be akin to Carrie's initial reaction when the pig blood was poured on her. Too bad. She and Jack seemed like a nice fit. She's certainly a more sympathetic and tolerable character than the narcissistic Kate.
btw great episode by MeshGearFoxx	Apr 11th, 2007 10:04:31 PM
damn yeah the first 6 episodes this season were snoozers but they have been great since. Here's hoping for a final great 5 this season and that Locke kicks someone's ass in the process.
Missed the first 12 minutes due to Dice K vs. Ichirio by Guerilla_Films	Apr 11th, 2007 10:04:58 PM
Very quick summary of scenes before Juliet (who is looking alot like Ann Coulter) stepped off the sub?
MeshGearFoxx by Phimseto	Apr 11th, 2007 10:05:15 PM
Sorry, man, but I'm pretty sure I'm right about the Carrie/Juliet thing, meaning that Ben's plan is about to be as fucked as Walter Sobchek's. Possibly even with dirty undies involvement.
What an episode! by kyle051554	Apr 11th, 2007 10:05:26 PM
Now I'm trying to figure out if Juliet is really going along with Ben's plan, or if she is going to betray them and stay with the Losties. Her flashbacks seem to indicate that she'd be willing to do pretty much anything to get off the island, and I'll bet that she's got a better chance of getting off by working with Ben than with Jack, so we'll see.
I'm disappointed in you... by Darth Melkor	Apr 11th, 2007 10:05:31 PM
Juliet... I hope what I saw at the end there isn't true. You're so likeable on the show... and you have great tatas... Don't be evil...
Does Clint Mansell at least get a cut? by huserzem	Apr 11th, 2007 10:05:53 PM
Everytime some douchebag in advertising says, "Hey, we need some real dramatic music, something like that Lord of the Rings music or something" and then the music director says "we don't have to even write something new, that dude doesn't own his music his company sells it to anyone who asks" Jesus christ if I wouldn't be surprised if I heard the Requiem music in a pop tart commercial tomorrow.
"The "Requim for a Dream" Preview music!!!" by Phimseto	Apr 11th, 2007 10:07:06 PM
Made famous to the masses by "The Two Towers" trailers. However, for others it will always be associated with the term "ass to ass!"
Juliet will end up taking a stand against the... by GQtaste	Apr 11th, 2007 10:10:50 PM
... others! They will make it look like she's in on the sting, but in the end she'll jump over to the good guys.
Darth M by clockpolitiks	Apr 11th, 2007 10:13:19 PM
I hope so too man. I was really starting to like Juliet. I also agree about her tatas. Jesus. I still think she's good deep down, and in the end she will side with Jack and all them. She was just going along with Ben's plan because it was partly true. That was probably the only way to get some of the losties to at least somewhat trust her, and I believe that she really does want that. Not just to turn on them. We'll see in a "week" or so I guess.
Lost Lately by LordTwinkie	Apr 11th, 2007 10:13:56 PM
has been a big FU to all you lost haters earlier in the season, seriously after a few eps you called in the end of LOST, friggin people need to learn patience.
clockpolitiks by huserzem	Apr 11th, 2007 10:15:16 PM
a week means five episodes to these people
Jacob is the Wizard of Oz... by Professor_Snarf	Apr 11th, 2007 10:15:19 PM
...and Ben is the man behind the curtain. A few clues in this episode point to that being the case. It makes perfect sense for Ben to create a persona that the others would admire and trust in order to control them though this figure. Also Ben first tells Juliet that Jacob will cure her sister. Then three years later when Juliet has probably discovered Jacob doesn't exist, Ben tells her HE cured her sister's cancer. It would be pretty cool if I'm right.
buffywrestling by LordTwinkie	Apr 11th, 2007 10:15:23 PM
I think you need to look beyond The Stand and think Dark Tower, since the Stand is part of the Dark Tower universe, the island would be more in tune with the Dark Tower series. Man what a mind fuck that would be to have Roland come along. Holy shit smoke monster is one of the beam protectors!
Brilliant episode; my only problem... by godric	Apr 11th, 2007 10:17:19 PM
My guess had been that the Others were sterile...I guess being on the island makes you sterile? Anyway, my only problem is this: I believe that Mikhail and his reconaissance can gather most of the information about the 815ers, BUT how would he get information like "Sawyer shoots a man the night before he gets on the plane." That wouldn't be on the news or anything.
great show by movienick07	Apr 11th, 2007 10:19:38 PM
hmm she bealives ben doesnt lie so if he said her, juliet, locke didnt really blow up the sub..(he was wet and u dont think they got camera on that thing??) and if he do what i say and lie jack and all them in one week ill get u off the island.... and there just using locke like they used jack to get what they want and then they will screw him like they did jack... and is helicopter desmonds women coming to save the day??
DEGROOTS! by McGsStepson	Apr 11th, 2007 10:25:03 PM
3.21. Lets talk about this Degroot flashback. This announcement is loco neo.
Missed a few things. What King book . . . by ProzacMorris	Apr 11th, 2007 10:25:19 PM
were they reading? Thanks.
Twitch-worthy by Jumping Windows	Apr 11th, 2007 10:25:29 PM
Damn, I almost splooged on Juliet's bare backside. I don't know what it is about her (maybe its her lesbo history in Gia) but I freaking ache over that woman. YEEEEOWCH!
Very strong episode by Tocksick	Apr 11th, 2007 10:26:11 PM
Another very good episode. Wow, this show is on a roll and judging by the previous two seasons, the last few episodes will only keep getting much better. I was wondering if they would pull a 180 on us and have Juliet be devious but I REALLY didn't think they would. I don't know how much of a villain Juliet is but I SO want her to be good. She just seems too sweet. I don't think I could ever hate her unless she murdered one of my five favorite characters on the show. So we got some nice little tidbits about Juliet's research and about Claire's involvement with the Others. I really want to find out who this big BOSS guy Jacob is. I think he is going to be the big supervillain that this show is just BEGGING for. While the writers are good at creating characters we like and love, the mark of a truly great writer is being able to create a characters we also HATE with a deep vengeance. Can't wait for the next episode!
Ben's plan by MeshGearFoxx	Apr 11th, 2007 10:27:21 PM
So what do you all think Ben's plan will involve? It appears to be some sort of gas attack given that Juliet was given a mask. I just hope it's not something stupid where one of the 815ers stumbles upon her gas mask at the beach and busts her.
mesh by Guerilla_Films	Apr 11th, 2007 10:30:02 PM
gas mask was for the gas attack last week...either that or ben had taco bell and the wheelchair doesn't make things easier for his guests.
Locke REVEALED by dubbadubba	Apr 11th, 2007 10:34:18 PM
SO maybe no one knows who Jacob is. I don't know how, and I don't know why, but it would be mind-blowing for Locke to be revealed as Jacob...
Guerilla by MeshGearFoxx	Apr 11th, 2007 10:34:37 PM
doh, yeah you're right. Ok strike my query from the record
Fuck, Kurt Vonnegut is dead by Han Ol' Buddy	Apr 11th, 2007 10:40:30 PM
Sorry it's off-topic. I'll have some Scotch on Ice-9 for him tonight...
lordtwinkie by leesheri	Apr 11th, 2007 10:41:35 PM
I was actually thinking that the first time we heard it and it sounded broken. Clickity, clickity. That would be awesome I also think that Ben is the leader, and have thought so since we laid eyes on him last season. Those spooky eyes of his... he is looking at me through my TV and he doesn't just see me naked, he sees me without skin. creepy
can i still get a summary for the first 12 minutes? by Guerilla_Films	Apr 11th, 2007 10:43:32 PM
Or I can wait until morning when it hits the worldwide tivo. cough
but what happened to the group of people... by Guerilla_Films	Apr 11th, 2007 10:44:06 PM
Juliet always said there was a group of people in the Others who wanted change...what the hell happened to the Browncoat Others?
guerilla by leesheri	Apr 11th, 2007 10:46:21 PM
I missed it to. The little guy refused to go to bed. Actually, just thought about it, but someone posted the entire episode up there somewhere. Going to look for it
I was literally yelling at the screen by GregoryHarbin	Apr 11th, 2007 10:47:50 PM
During the final Ben/Juliet scene. Argh! I don't want Juliet to be evil! And yet I do! Crazy!
guerilla by leesheri	Apr 11th, 2007 10:48:02 PM
control f Cap'n Jack, he posted it. Thanks Cap'n!
Kate and Sawyer by Pendragon23	Apr 11th, 2007 10:51:05 PM
This may have been mentioned before, but why are Kate and Sawyer so reluctant to accept Juliette's "banishment" by the Others?...Didn't Juliette gun down one of the Others (Danny?) right in front of them?...thus allowing their escape? Maybe I'm remembering it wrong, but it seems like poor writing to create conflict in the story by just having the characters ignore something as important as that.
Speechless by exie	Apr 11th, 2007 10:52:42 PM
A big thank you to the writers - tonight was pure gold. You guys rock.
Pendragon.... by seanny_d	Apr 11th, 2007 10:57:09 PM
But who knows WHAT those fucking others are capable of? I mean, honestly, yeah, she did gun him down. But that doesn't exactly make her trustworthy. She's still one of THEM. On the other hand, man, i was totally trusting her until that last Ben scene. Things aren't all they appear to be, I'm sure. What i'm most concerned about is the way the Lost finale is said to change things in a dramatic way, likening it to the Alias superbowl episode in which SD-6 was brought down and the entire dynamic of the show changed. Could be VERY interesting to see.
YES!!!!!!!!! by Fing Fang Foom	Apr 11th, 2007 10:57:27 PM
Me likey. Super good.
Lost is kicking ass and taking names.... by oisin5199	Apr 11th, 2007 10:58:47 PM
and putting them on lists. Another great episode in a string of great ones. I really wonder if Juliet's playing both sides. When Jack said: "They're good people. They'll give you the benefit of the doubt. But sooner or later they'll need answers" (paraphrase), I could have sworn he was talking about the fans. Also, funny that my 14 year old recognized the Requiem music. My first reaction was "how the hell do you know that?!" thinking he better NOT have seen that movie. But he assured me it's from video games. Ha!
Speechless by topaz4206	Apr 11th, 2007 10:59:56 PM
A big fuck you to the writers - tonight was pure shit. You guys suck.
are they really going to axe sun? by bouncing1	Apr 11th, 2007 11:00:00 PM
or is juliet going to save her by using her awesome mammary powers! she is pregnant lets not forget... awesome episode. did anyone notice sayid checking out jacks crotch tonight? that dude really loves him some balls!
...watchin it now.... by mr ahole ramirez	Apr 11th, 2007 11:03:12 PM
...Im watchin it on the TiVo right now...and wow, I really hate Jack (never had any negative opinions of him)...I mean, damn, the first commercials hasnt even popped up yet and he's already pissin me off...that is the worlds record of a character pissin me off on a TV show...
Best part of Lost tonight by LordTwinkie	Apr 11th, 2007 11:03:14 PM
was the commercial for local news live down the street from me talking about the president of my university being arrested for DUI ha good ole UMW
But Really by topaz4206	Apr 11th, 2007 11:03:23 PM
Not that great, after the stellar Locke episode from 2 weeks ago this show is stumbling downward again. Juliet's flashback was redundant. I can't believe no one from 815 even MENTIONS the possibility that Juliet is a plant. Especially after they've already PROVEN that's their M.O.! (With Ethan). Silly, sloppy, sucky.
poor writing by oisin5199	Apr 11th, 2007 11:03:33 PM
Gunning down one psycho guy does not necessarily make up for capturing and fucking with you for a period of time. I always love when someone jumps to the 'poor writing' conclusion just because characters don't act the way you want them to. On a related topic, I actually kinda felt Sawyer and Kate's reunion. Like he really wuvs her. Awwww. So, who wants to place bets on Juliet's mission? Does it have something to with Sun's pregnancy? Someone also mentioned this, but I do wonder how Mikhail was able to find out things like Sawyer's murder.
LordTwinkie re: the STAND by buffywrestling	Apr 11th, 2007 11:05:13 PM
I love the DARK TOWER as much as the next King fan, but for me the STAND has more in common with LOST. To name a few: a doomsday scenario (based on the old lady in the Desmond flashback), two seperating camps - one considered "good" & the other "bad" - throwing people together that appeared randomly but inventually very specifically (also turns out that the "bad" camp got most of the techies and the intellectuals), and finally having the "bad" camp infiltrating the "good" camp (Desmond & Ben = Nadine & Harold). All that's left is for the "good" camp to infiltrate the "bad" camp a la Tom Cullen. I wonder if that is what Locke is doing? M_O_O_N spells Locke!ˇ
topaz - what was redundant? by oisin5199	Apr 11th, 2007 11:08:26 PM
Just because they showed some scenes we've seen before? Now we know their context. Seeing Juliet play 'Downtown' and look at the mirror now means something. We also see how Ethan's plan fit in with everything. There wasn't a single bit of her flashback that was extra. And obviously people think she might be a plant, which is why Sawyer and Sayid confronted her. I really think she's playing both sides. I think Jack is right that she will do anything to get off the island. Including betray Jack and everyone else. However, with the sub gone, what does Ben have to offer her so she'll go along with things?
Been waitin' 2 years for that plane crash... by Billyeveryteen	Apr 11th, 2007 11:10:23 PM
It's still God-damned-fucking-beautiful.
PLANT * Spoiler* by da-giez	Apr 11th, 2007 11:12:27 PM
Juliet... Plant or NOT ?? I think so... but one that's turning... faulked Ben's plans and now is where she wants to be.... 4now. I say she faulks the others by seasons end... Giez
oisin5199 by Pendragon23	Apr 11th, 2007 11:15:24 PM
I wasn't "jumping" to poor writing at all. It's been 2 episodes and no mention of it. Helping someone escape is one thing...Whacking a guy in the act is something else entirely. It just feels like the 2 lovebirds didn't even consider what she had done and went right to "What the hell is she doing here?" territory right off the bat. I understand why they did it. They needed to create the conflict, and have her overcome said conflict, so the last scene would have more impact.
Juliet by lordgrimplemort	Apr 11th, 2007 11:17:33 PM
I called it last week! I knew that lying bitch couldn't be trusted. She may turn out to be lying to Ben too, but I knew she was lying to Jack, Kate and co. I just hope Jack is only playing dumb--I hate to think he actually is that stupid to believe her. By the way, was that symbol on the tree the same as the brand on Juliet's back? I think it was. Also, my dvr cut off after Ben said he'd see Juliet later. Did anything else happen, and what about next week's preview?
Crazy? CRAZY?! THIS....IS...LES BOS!!!! by zillabeast	Apr 11th, 2007 11:19:50 PM
The pregnant bitches are Cylons.
... by Pendragon23	Apr 11th, 2007 11:20:38 PM
Plus, you'd think Juliette at some point would have said something like "Will you two get off my back already? I've killed for you, what more do you want?" Anyway, it's a minor thing...moving on.
Kurt Vonnegut dead at 84 by MrPants	Apr 11th, 2007 11:36:16 PM
so it goes... http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04 /12/books/12vonnegut.html?hp
If Juliet was telling the truth about Ethan by Jor-El23	Apr 11th, 2007 11:37:03 PM
why did he try to kill Charlie? And why did he kill Steve or whatever his name was? Why did Goodwin kill that one guy from Ed? Is this stuff Juliet never knew about? Does anyone remember the flashback with Claire when she was being held by Ethan? And Tom came to the nursery door? I can't remember what was said in that conversation but I'm guessing it could lend credence to what Juliet said, or prove she's lying.
Answered my own question by Jor-El23	Apr 11th, 2007 11:41:48 PM
according to the Lostpedia episode guide "Ethan excuses himself to speak to another Other -- the man from the raft, now clean-shaven and dressed in clean clothes. He verbally scolds Ethan for not following his orders in 'making a list' then kidnapping Claire, and the two argue as Ethan defends himself by pointing out that the survivors had a flight manifest. Before noticing that Claire is listening and closing the door, the man speaks about 'Him' and worryingly muses about what might happen when 'he finds out.'" So either Juliet is lying, or she didn't know what really happened.
Anyone trying to bash tonight's episode... by exie	Apr 11th, 2007 11:42:12 PM
...is seriously grasping for straws. Fuck off haters. I was on the edge of my seat during then entire Juliet/Ben scene and the writers completely sucker punched us tonight with Juliet's flashbacks making us think she has a lot of reason to hate Ben and become one of the Losties. I may have thought last week she was conning them, but after the flashbacks I thought for sure she was good, until that final sequence. Jack has to kill her. He brought her in. He vouched for her and it's going to be his burden, in my eyes. I don't think she's going to screw over Ben since Ben is the only possible ticket off the rock. Amazing amazing episode. One of the best of all time.
...so let me get this straight... by mr ahole ramirez	Apr 11th, 2007 11:45:24 PM
...when we are supposed to be given answers, we get answers to questions we really didnt ask...and when WE get answers, the characters dont...Im sorry, the episode was good and all, but Im tired of US knowin whats goin on and not the characters knowin...I mean, if the characters never know whats goin on, then the plot doesnt actually move...I dont like this concept...
Ethan kidnapping by lordgrimplemort	Apr 11th, 2007 11:47:12 PM
Since the flashbacks proved that Juliet is a liar does that mean the whole story about Ethan was a lie, or did she tell the truth for once? And we still don't know if she ever actually wanted Jack to kill Ben or if that was all part of Ben's plan. After these flashbacks with her wanting to go home so bad, I think she really did want Ben dead but if so, why would she still be plotting with Ben after the sub was blown up? Maybe the "Locke didn't really blow up the sub" people are onto something.
She was lying by Fing Fang Foom	Apr 12th, 2007 12:10:51 AM
But like most lies, the truth is peppered in there a little bit. Juliet's Ethan explanation leaves alot out. There more to the story obviously.... Yeah, cus Ethan tried to kill Charlie. It's the show's M.O. It's selective, like the flashbacks - a moment every so often and we try to put it into context. BUT What did "they" DO to Juliet? that last scene was a different Juliet than the sweet human one in most of the ep. That strange smug look on her face. Freaky Other Face. She got Othered. What happened!!!! How do they do it? Maybe Locke is gettin Othered right now?!!!!!
Jor-El23 by oisin5199	Apr 12th, 2007 12:14:49 AM
Doesn't your description of Ethan's conversation with Tom lend credence to Juliet's story? She said that Ethan kidnapped Claire on his own, panicking because they found out he wasn't on the plane. If Ethan is defending himself to Tom, than that fits with Juliet's story. So I don't think she lied about that. But she obviously lied about the failsafe that they implanted in Claire and set off so Juliet could fix it. I think we can take on faith that pregnant women do die on the island, but her story about Claire going through withdrawal from no longer taking Ethan's injections was bullshit. But the failsafe implies that perhaps they let Claire escape, or that they were planning on returning her after they were done with her. Anyway, Juliet's the worst kind of (very, very hot) devil - mixing truth with lies. Did I mention the hotness? That scene on the bed where we saw the whole shape of her back? Wow.
Seems like everyone finally agrees on something by lordgrimplemort	Apr 12th, 2007 12:43:35 AM
Juliet has a superhot naked back. And looks pretty good crawling on all fours on top of a submarine as well.
Jacob = The Cobra by DS9Sisko	Apr 12th, 2007 12:50:24 AM
Kids, I point you back to the infamous Paolo/Nikki episode "Expose" (one I LOVED) for a clue to the identity of Jacob: The first scene, of course, is the "Charlie's Angels" satire, the fictional show "Expose" itself in which Nikki's undercover FBI agent is killed (if memory serves me correctly) by Mr. LaShade, who was the nominal equivalent of the Angel's Charlie. Later, when Hurley finds the script for "Expose" that Nikki was carrying, he reads it and is shocked to find that the character of "Mr. LaShade" was actually the show's main villain "The Cobra," whose idenity had been a mystery for the previous 4 seasons. (Of course, to Hurley who had not seen the episode in question, this would qualify as a spoiler.) To us, the audience, it was a clue. Flashback to the previous epsiode of "Lost," the masterful "The Man from Tallahassee." What tv show was Locke watching when he was eating dinner just before Peter Talbot arrived? "Expose." So, if this is true there are in my opinion 4 people who could be the mysterious Jacob. Ben: the ultimate wizard behind the curtain: Christian Shepard: whose body was not in his casket and who seemed to intersect with an awful lot of people; Locke, who seems to be terribly important to Ben; and Hurley, who I've always thought could be a lot more deranged than we give him credit for.
Honestly by Banky the Hack	Apr 12th, 2007 01:01:59 AM
When Ben noticed that Juliet was daydreaming when going over the plan, I think that she was thinking of Jack, and I think in the end, she's going to fuck Ben over because of how Jack has treated her. She knows Ben's not letting her off this island.
Locke as Jacob by Banky the Hack	Apr 12th, 2007 01:10:56 AM
I really hope this isn't the case, but when Desmond first met him, he did ask, "Are you HIM?" In fact I hope Jacob turns out to be Patrick McGoohan. THAT would rock.
Juliet's brand by lordgrimplemort	Apr 12th, 2007 01:14:12 AM
I went back and paused the scene in the ep. where Juliet shows Jack her brand and it is the same as the symbol on the tree where she finds the medicine. At the end Ben says they'll leave supplies at Ethan's old drop. Since Ethan's old drop was marked by that symbol, did he have that brand too? So instead of the Others branding Juliet as a judgement to mark her as an outsider, maybe they decided back then that she would take Ethan's place as the new spy and that mark is used to identify their infiltrator. If so, to who? I kind of suspected that they didn't really care that she killed one of them. I think it was all part of the plan to make Jack trust and sympathize with her.
JJ they showed us the clips from The first season by Novaman5000	Apr 12th, 2007 01:24:22 AM
because they wanted to show that Claire wasn't dreaming, and that Ethan was coming after her at night to take her blood. Up until now we just thought she was paranoid.
Fucking 5 out of 5 by AlwaysThere	Apr 12th, 2007 01:24:35 AM
Best damn show on TV.
A things that have occured to me- by Novaman5000	Apr 12th, 2007 01:36:20 AM
1)Ben said: "See you in a week". WHAT happens in a week!? What are the others planning?! 2) Fucking awesome episode, IMO. 3) Juliet's plan with ben absolutely has something to do with what he whispered in her ear that day in the operating room. You can bet it wasn't what she told Jack it was.. 4) Perhaps you can't get cancer if you stay on the Island... Maybe Ben left the island for a time without anyone knowing... Question is: Why would he go to the mainland? Is this even possible, seeing as how he said he's never left the island? Or were his words just that he was born on the island, not that he's never been to the mainland? Anyone know for sure? 5) Implant?! What kind of implant have they stuck in my sexy Claire? Bed for now... I'm both thrilled and kind of sad that Juliet is playing the Losties. I wanted her to be evil so badly, but i kind of like her now and am conflicted about it. The Lost showrunners are good at doing that. I do think, however, that we'll see she's playing both sides, she's probably not completely good, but I doubt she's completely evil...
Also, there were SO many references about the island's by Novaman5000	Apr 12th, 2007 01:38:15 AM
supernatural qualities: "Time flies when you're there." "You're going to want to be tranquilized for the trip" "The last leg is a little bumpy"... I think to get to the island is a pretty crazy journey that I hope to god we see one day.
Re: should that syringe really be half empty? by Cheif Brody	Apr 12th, 2007 01:40:04 AM
As a diabetic...I give myself shots in the stomach several times a day...Sometimes I get all the bubbles out...sometimes I don't...it matters not. A bubble in a syringe is only dangerous if it is injected interveiniously...not subcutaneously as was demonstrated on tonite's eppy. Kudos to Elizabeth Mitchell for her performance in One of Us...hope they remember this eppy come Emmy time. How many emotions did she have to convey in this episode? Leaving her pregnant/cancer prone sister at the airport...finding out her sis's cancer had returned...slapping that glass of water out of Ben's hand...seeing her 3 years later healthy and playing with her son...that stand off where she completely owned Sayid and Sawyer with the medical kit...and finally that delicious twist at the end with her & Ben going over her "story". Just a wide range of stuff to cover in one eppy...and she did it so effortlessly. Besides being completely gorgeous...her crawling out of that sub was delicious to watch!! Goodwin was a lucky bastard afterall!! And yes...I completely think the ONLY reason Ben would risk having Juliette walk right into the lion's den is their interest in Sun's baby. And with her trusty medical kit convienently handy after "saving" Claire...she is free to begin Sun's "treatments". Juliette's the new Ethan!! I really enjoyed this episode...Seeing those monitors in the Flame...with the desperate search for 815 by the outside world media...Seeing Hurley's experiment at making Sawyer a "decent" person (offering to get Claire some aspirin? Unthinkable!!)...Sayid's opening salvo of questions (the exact ones I would have asked...in the exact order.)...Ben nervously walking up to Mikhail's shack ("Don't shoot us!!" As if he's actually shot people before!!)...The Petula Clark "Downtown" montage to take us right back to the season premiere's events. My faith in Lost is getting restored, folks. I'm actually salivating over next week's installment...and it's been a while since that happened.
Poor writing, Rosseau lied, and other stuff by ArcadianDS	Apr 12th, 2007 02:36:39 AM
If there is an entire recently abandoned little city full of houses with sofas and pianos and coleman grills, why are they STAYING ON THE STUPID BEACH? If Claire is the first mother to give birth to a child and not die, then WHY IS ROUSSEAU NOT DEAD? If Ethan was the Other's only surgeon, WHY WAS HE SENT AWAY IN THE FIRST PLACE TO DO A JOB ANYONE COULD DO?
"Locke’s name isn't even mentioned this week." by SamUnited7	Apr 12th, 2007 02:54:08 AM
Actually it was.
ArcadianDS by ningrant	Apr 12th, 2007 03:20:33 AM
1 why would they go to the houses when they already have a home and the others might return 2 if u watched the episode juliet said the problem was at Consumption, not at delivery 3 ethan was clearly one of their higher ups and was sent to do a very important job
"Rosseau lied" by HoichiTheEarless	Apr 12th, 2007 03:22:50 AM
Or... maybe Juliet lied. Like she's lying about everything else.
Manipulative Sterile Cultists by The Selecter	Apr 12th, 2007 03:32:45 AM
pretty much sums of the once-mysterious and once-menacing Others, does it not? I'm hoping there's more to it than that, but ultimately, it will be a disappointment if there isn't. If that leaves the Island and the other metaphysical, supernatural, or faithful elements as the overriding mysteries, then then show has lost much of its appeal to me.
"Rosseau lied" by ningrant	Apr 12th, 2007 03:34:10 AM
juliet was upset when the girl in labor died, the scene after that she said the problem was at conseption, this was when she was still a couple months new to the island and she said she wanted to take someone to miami to do tests and ben said no
What is the opposite of Jumping the Shark? by Razorback	Apr 12th, 2007 03:54:09 AM
Whatever the opposite of jumping the shark is, this show just did it.
Don't mess with Jin by kingoflight	Apr 12th, 2007 06:06:06 AM
So clarie is fine, it was a set up but i take it that they still have the problem of getting people preggers on this island that leave me to belive that julliet is gonna snatch sun in a weeks time. If anyone is going to give you a body count its going to be jin ! You know that its goning to happen, either that or desmondo's time is up on the beach life. What gets my goat is that we had all that built up story from the end of act two with walt and micheal, where did they take you what did they do, why was you soking wet water coming out your mouth scaring shannon and the dog ? NOTHING, too many loose ends to tie up. Rosseau was off the island when she was up the duff same as claire so thats why they had there kids. They implanted claire with something to fake thoese sysmtoms.
I think Juliet's mission involves Desmond, not Sun by Pound Sand	Apr 12th, 2007 06:57:36 AM
Ben needs a vision.
Haters owned once again. Best. Show. On. TV. by turketron	Apr 12th, 2007 07:09:27 AM
This episode was straight up continuity porn. 10/10. 5 stars. Best episode this season and right up there with the Pilot, Exodus, Walkabout, Orientation, and Live Together Die Alone. And we still have like 7 episodes to go. 24 was awesome this week too, and Heroes comes back in 2 weeks. TV is REALLY good this year.
Pound Sand by BangoSkank	Apr 12th, 2007 07:49:38 AM
I thought the same thing. If there's anyone on the beach Ben might have an interest in, it seems like it would be the psychic ... or maybe she's there to see who was affected/changed. Either way, great episode.
Herarat by Kane	Apr 12th, 2007 07:53:44 AM
Someone more clever than I will need to decipher 'Herarat' (as in 'Herarat Aviation', in the scene where Juliet pounded down her Big Gulp OJ n' Tranqs). I think it's clearly a combination of 'Hera' (Queen of the Gods)and 'Ararat' (The mountain that biblical literalists say is where the remains of Noah's Ark lies). Is Hera linked to fertility? The Ark thing I would think refers to the gathering of creatures/beings/peoples to fend off extinction during an apocalyptic event. Meh. I'm relying on the more clever of you lot to straighten this one out.
Herarat redux by Kane	Apr 12th, 2007 08:00:23 AM
Of course, 'Herarat' is an anagram for 'Earhart' (Amelia). You know, the pilot who disappeared while flying... Crikes!
Truthiness about Smokey... by biggles2_22	Apr 12th, 2007 08:24:21 AM
All this conjecture about Smokey is moot after last nights episode. Obviously, the Others have some control over Smokey. Juliet is on a mission. The first leg of her mission has been to establish trust. "Run from Smokey!" "I don't know what Smokey is, oh wait, I know enough to know that he can't get over the Invisible Fence", "Hey, I had a key all the time, because I wanted to establish tru-oops, I mean because I didn't want to get left behind again." THAT is why Smokey backed off once it had Kate and SexyBack(tm) (Just got off the phone with the producers and that is now Juliets official nick-name.)cornered.
Un-jumping the Shark by Aramel	Apr 12th, 2007 08:25:06 AM
... is 'stroking the dolphin'. My bet is that Ben is a creation of the Island's magical box, if it's true what he said when Locke's father magically appeared. Remember, he was 'born' on the Island, so either he was there before the DeGroots or he was 'born' when Dharma was there in the hippy years. The Hanso Foundation was experimenting with mathematical prediction, which could explain all these weird coincidences and connections between people, and could suggest that Ben is the result of this and can see all the possible outcomes of situations and that's why he's master manipulator. Somehow Desmond has tapped into the predictive ability via the hatch/island and that may come into play, thwarting Ben's plans. Who's to say what's right or wrong, good or bad? I don't think it's a moral thing, but more what's bad or good for Ben's purposes. If he is a part of the Island, then he may be linked with HappyNanoCloudMonster and it was controlled when chasing Kate & Juliet, and maybe it can go over the fence. Did we see ol' Smokey following the plane as it was crashing, or was that real smoke? What's the connections between Desmond and Ben's manipulations if Ben wanted a Doctor and the Plane Crashed because Dsmond didn't push the button in time?
Kane by biggles2_22	Apr 12th, 2007 08:26:52 AM
Good work on decoding Herarat. Props. Biggles2_22 out.
"Haters" by Steve_Dooku	Apr 12th, 2007 08:27:30 AM
I love that phrase. It's the catch-all to describe anybody who disagrees. Nice. It's a little hard to believe anybody was really surprised by the twist/reveal at the end with Juliette and Ben. They (the characters on the show AND the writers) have been pulling this stunt for the run of the show. At least its getting back to trying to entertain rather than just begin the "beatin' of the week" show.
Jacob by Steve_Dooku	Apr 12th, 2007 08:29:11 AM
If they pull a Locke = Jacob (a la Kaiser Sose) it would indeed be a game changer, eh?
That's an intersting theory, Leopold... by Childe Roland	Apr 12th, 2007 08:31:17 AM
...but part of me hopes it's nothing that mystical. To me, a final explanation of the island as, essentially, magical, would feel like a cheap out by the writers. They've gone to great lengths so far to imbed a scientific undertone in this saga, and I'd like to think there will be some kind of scientific explanation for everything. That said, perhaps the island is some sort of nexus for global influence and the original scientists who discovered that somehow disrupted or perverted the dynamic. And maybe the island did reach out to bring someone there who it thought could restore its balance. I think I could swallow that. I don't need everything explained completely. Last night's episode was pretty good. I knew Julie was lying. I don't htink she's done anything but (in the present...she seems like a nice gal in her flashbacks). I just really hope Jack ends up being aware of her deception and is just giving her rope to see if she tries to hang them with it...you know...because he's a scientist and would want it proven before he acts on it and kills her lying ass.
Sayid and Sawyer puss out!?!?! by CaptainTripps	Apr 12th, 2007 08:39:44 AM
I was really pissed last night when Sayid and Sawyer let Juliet slide because she threw their fucked-up morality back in their faces. At this point getting answers from Juliet is not about morality - it's about survival! She was a member of a group of people that have no problem kidnapping, experimenting on and even killing the people in Sayid and Sawyer's group on a whim. Getting answers from her may be the only way to keep their people safe and they're gonna take 'well, you guys are bad too, so leave me alone' for an answer? Bullshit! I wouldn't care if I'd killed a hundred people before I got to that island, I'd be getting some answers ASAP. If they thought that she really needed to help Claire, fine, but I wouldn't be so quick to just forgive and forget. Hopefully Sayid isn't through talking to her yet.
Juliet told Jack by Jor-El23	Apr 12th, 2007 08:41:25 AM
that Ethan wasn't supposed to kidnap Juliet and that when he did he improvised because they discovered who he was from the manifest. According to the conversation with Tom, his orders were to make a list and then kidnap Claire...so doesn't that mean Juliet lied?
Hera/Ararat/Earhart by rbrog77	Apr 12th, 2007 08:47:25 AM
Hera = The queen of the Olympian deities. She is a daughter of Cronus and Rhea, and wife and sister of Zeus. Hera was mainly worshipped as a goddess of marriage and birth. It is said that each year Hera's virginity returns by bathing in the well Canathus. The children of Hera and Zeus are the smith-god Hephaestus, the goddess of youth Hebe, and the god of war Ares. According to some sources, however, her children were conceived without the help of a man, either by slapping her hand on the ground or by eating lettuce: thus they were born, not out of love but out of lust and hatred. ARARAT = It is claimed by a number of Biblical literalists that an anomaly on this mountain in Turkey is the remains of Noah's Ark. Earhart = good catch. Is this now a 3-way clue?
Think they really cured Juliet's sister's cancer? by slone13	Apr 12th, 2007 09:04:35 AM
Doctoring some medical charts is probably a lot easier, right? Ben was never gonna let Juliet go anyway.
Juliet vs Sayid & Sawyer, Jacob/Yacub by Thunderbolt Ross	Apr 12th, 2007 09:22:20 AM
I think her morality argument wouldn't have stopped them had she not had the "save Claire" angle going as well. I was wondering if there was any connection between Jacob and Yacub, an evil scientist-type who according to the beliefs of the Nation of Islam created a race of devils. Course those devils are what we now call white people, but he DID live on an island ...
Juliet's sister by rbrog77	Apr 12th, 2007 09:25:59 AM
Dr'ing charts is not enough when you're able to show her alive with what's supposed to be her child. Ben's word is true...except, he somehow makes statements that the meaning can be misconscrewed or cons others to do deeds that make his wods impossible. He wasn't lying when he said he didn't lie. I think the alternate universe theory is possible here. I also think we should consider that Jacob is not human. Maybe the box you open after make a wish is JACOB...an acronym of somthing.
damm all you nappy headed ho's by Mr_X	Apr 12th, 2007 09:38:39 AM
If lost was a bitch, i'd have slapped her a long time ago for being such a prick tease. that juilet is pretty damm fine though.
Great Episode ... but Man do I hate the 10pm by Itchy	Apr 12th, 2007 09:39:16 AM
timeslot. I can barely stay awake until 11 anymore. Anyway, it was a good - not great episode ... until the last 5 minutes. Which were awesome. Basically, anything about the island featuring Ben Linus, John Locke or Goth Claire is awesome. Anything centering on Jack, Charlie or Hurley sucks. That's my take on Lost.
"I was born on this island" by SimpleSandwiches	Apr 12th, 2007 09:44:14 AM
So Ben was born on the island while every other woman on the island apparently can't get pregnant? Loop hole? Is Ben a test tube baby? Or could that be the reason why Ben eventually has a tumor? Are "Adam and Eve" Ben's parents?
rbrog77 by Laslo Hollyfeld	Apr 12th, 2007 09:58:06 AM
Are you saying that you don't think Ben lied or that he must not have been lying b/c we saw Juliet's sis and her daughter? If you're saying the latter, even if we take what we saw at face value, Ben could have been lying when he said that the sister's cancer came back.
SimpleSandwiches by Laslo Hollyfeld	Apr 12th, 2007 10:00:57 AM
If you're looking for a non-supernatural explanation of Ben being born on the island, it would be that, as with Claire, his mom got pregnant off of the island, then came to the island and had him.
Razorback: by Napoleon Park	Apr 12th, 2007 10:10:49 AM
Aramel's "Dolphin Stroking" is cute and it would be poetic if there was an actual antonym like "Burrowing Under the Tiger" or something, but if you want the truth,, it's simply called a "Reverse Shark Jump". That's when a show that has Jumped The Shark gets itself back on track and improves again. A Reverse Shark Jump. - Napoleon Park, moderator, the Jump The Shark Yahoo! Group. * Oh, I'm diabetic two and while I was hospitalized a nurse confided "I'm not supposed to tell you this but it's okay if you inject a little air." Subcutaneously, as with insulin, of course, not intraveneously, where it would be fatal. Still, by "a little" air we're talking maybe a unit or so, maybe an eight of a BB in volume. And that will cause a small swelling and possible bruise. Certainly not the half shotglass full of air Juliet rammed into Claire's belly. That was just unrealisticallly sloppy doctorin'. And this does raise the questions that have been brought up here already: If the island kills pregnant women, did Rousseau have Alex before they came to the island? Is Juliet infiltrating the Losties/815ers/whatever nickname you call 'em, to save Sun? * This is a minor point I expect will be ignored by the PTB, but since it's possible to post a black post, could you do that each week at 9:00 pm for the benefit of the latecomers who are more interested in reading the commments about the specific episode by people who saw it than the assorted theorizing, hater-baiter flaming, discussions of the previous episode or the entire series, unfounded guesses and so on. I realize it's not neded since each post has a time signature, but a nice clear black or colored line between discussions of the show in general and about the specific episode would be nice. * Speaking of being nice, count my polite vote on the side of the"What happened to last weeks lost talk-back, why wasn;t it reposted?" contingent. Or at least a polite response here explaining that it was... (sound effect)... Lost...
What caused the no babies thing? by mraig	Apr 12th, 2007 10:12:54 AM
Obviously this (women being unable to give birth) hasn't always been the case on the island--as someone mentioned before, Rousseau seems to have given birth to Alex there (literally fathered by Ben?!? I still don't trust that she's not an Other!), and Ben himself claims to have been born there. So something must have happened to cause women to be unable to give birth. Presumably, it happened around the same time that they recruited Juliet. So what was it? A (if not THE) incident? That was three years ago -- could it have something to do with the anomoly that the button was controlling?
The reason why Sayid and Sawyer didn't attack Juliet... by exie	Apr 12th, 2007 10:13:13 AM
...is a combination of trying to not make the mistakes of their past and being afraid that the island/smoke monster will kill you if you don't show you've changed the errors of your past. Sayid in the episode with the cat was clearly afraid of the implications of killing another human being...and Sawyer was also shocked to shit that Juliet knew about him murdering someone. She threw up in both of their faces it might not be wise to kill anymore people as a threat. Sawyer and Sayid are fighting to not repeat the mistakes of their past, so killing Juliet in the middle of the jungle or torturing her is against where their characters currently are. However, when the others attack, I think Sayid and Sawyer will be like Wolverine going beserk . I'm interested in seeing who is going to kick Locke's ass. Too bad Eko's not around.
gotta love those "answers" by Strabo	Apr 12th, 2007 10:44:31 AM
So, let's see. What did we learn last night? The fertility doctor (information we've known since the beginning of the season when they introduced her character) had something to do with the plot to kidnap the pregnant girl. I'm so glad they spelled that out for us as that was definitely a crucial piece missing from the puzzle. Juliet is really an _evil Other!_ OH NOES!! Anyone who was actually surprised by that ending is a moron. I mean, who could have guessed that? All that weird personal information that the Others have on the Losties was gained through the Communications station? And they got it the old fashioned way...by...investigation? Like, just hiring a Private Investigator? NO! That's unpossible! And....ummm ...oh! Jacob can cure cancer, but for some reason he let Ben's grow anyway. I know if Ben was working for me, I'd wish he had cancer too. Maybe Jacob isn't such a bad guy. The Selector is right 26'ish posts up. Those superhuman Others from the second season have turned out to be a bunch of eggheads. How disappointing. The only thing this show has going for it is its character drama, and honestly, there are many other places where we can get equally good character drama without a several years long plot cocktease. This show is such a disappointment.
mraig by Laslo Hollyfeld	Apr 12th, 2007 11:04:48 AM
The no-baby thing could be a recent development, or Ben and Alex could have both been conceived off of the island.
So....French Lady by Steve_Dooku	Apr 12th, 2007 11:25:17 AM
..Who has been on the island for 16 years, was traveling on ship to Mystery Island as part of a scientific team while she was well into a pregnancy? Man I hope they can make this more interesting than infertility and baby-stealing.
You know, just because the Others are eggheads... by Childe Roland	Apr 12th, 2007 11:37:44 AM
...doesn't mean they aren't formidable physically. I would never have expected Juliet to be able to hold her own against Kate (a scrapper) in a fight, but Kate had to go all out to exploit an old injury of Juliet's just to get the upper hand. I know a lot of doctor types, and remarkably few are also ass kicking machines like Ethan was. So I suspect we're going to find out that the Others have some special conditioning or training that makes them all just ever-so-slightly superior, physically.
...answer me this... by mr ahole ramirez	Apr 12th, 2007 11:40:24 AM
...in the end of LOST, will the characters actually know whats goin on?...I mean, I cant think of a lot of examples right now except for Jack and Claire sibling thing...but will the chars be saved and not learn anythin bout the island while we know everythin?...if so, is that good or bad?...like I can really imagine that we learn bout smokey (through his flashback episode of course) and the four-toed statue, but the characters will just "walk" off the island, wit no knowledge of whats been goin on due to no one answerin important questions or askin important questions in the first place...
Oh Strabo, by Novaman5000	Apr 12th, 2007 11:52:09 AM
You must be a glutton for disappointment then. See you next week. Oh, and as for something we learned last night? Are you just ignoring information in order to make your pont seem valid or what? We learned that the others can't get pregnant ONLY on the island and that the body turns on the fetus, and that's why they need a fertility doctor. We learned that Ethan was sneaking into camp and taking blood samples of Claire and others every night, and that Claire wasn't just having paranoid dreams. We also learned what they were injecting into Claire (not exact chemical name, mind you, but it's purpose) when they took her. You can keep looking for things to complain about, though, don't mind us.
Scientific expeditions can last years. by Novaman5000	Apr 12th, 2007 11:54:51 AM
It's extremely likely that Danielle got pregnant, probably accidentally, in the middle of the expedition. She was very close to term at that point, perhaps past the danger zone. And Mr. Ahole, We know the characters are discussing what's going on. My guess is that by the end of the series, a bunch of characters will be privy to the big reveal and they will fill the rest in.
Awesome episode. by PwnedByStallone	Apr 12th, 2007 11:54:55 AM
Juliet needs to get bitch-slapped...badly. Whoever mentioned her knowing little non-smirk above was dead on. Everytime she does that I want to bring her forehead down on my knee. I was so PUMPED when she turned out to be in collusion with Ben. Love the symbolism of the last shot with Juliet "pulling the strings" to tie the knot. This episode reminded me of last season's penultimate Michael episode where we see where the hell he's been and everything is put into context before the final ass kicker. I think it's the same here only there is 5 left. And man are these last 5 going to fucking OWN our asses. 6 days, 11 hours to go. Kill me.
Childe Roland by Strabo	Apr 12th, 2007 11:56:38 AM
Yeah, but Ethan? "Carry two people over your shoulders while running from trained trackers with only a few minutes headstart" Ethan? What the hell? What, did we miss the part of the arrival orientation where they say "Monday, Wednesday, and Friday are lab days. Tuesdays and Thursdays you'll be learning how to kick ass and take names"? Also, Kate already had the upper hand...she'd already pinned Juliet and was using the arm lock as a way to compell her to speak...she accidentally dislocated her shoulder.
Ben's over 40 years old, isn't he? by Novaman5000	Apr 12th, 2007 12:00:31 PM
It's also hinted that he's not born of Members of the Dharma Initiative, more likely the hostile Others. We've never seen his feet... Might he have only 4 toes? I agree that this "no one can get pregnant" thing could have been a recent development. Maybe ever since "the incident". Oh yeah, we also have a pretty good speculative answer as to why the others are so obsessed with newborns... Perhaps they want to study them to see what makes them different. ALSO, Juliet said that the problem was at conception... Something about conception on the island ended up in the mother dying before the child could be born... Danielle, and Claire both concieved OFF-ISLAND, Perhaps Ben's mother did as well? Also, this may not bode well for Sun.
*by different I meant- by Novaman5000	Apr 12th, 2007 12:01:26 PM
what makes them able to be born, as opposed to Others' fetuses.
SexyBack(tm)? by biggles2_22	Apr 12th, 2007 12:02:53 PM
She will clearly be turning on Ben at some point in the series. It will be funny when it does. I love it when Ben's eyes bug out, even more than usual. Strabo? I'll see you at 10pm on 4/18, buddy. Pot-stirrer.
What I was saying, Strabo... by Childe Roland	Apr 12th, 2007 12:10:22 PM
...was that it's entirely possible that, on one of their lab days, someone said: "Hey, look! I developed a serum that enhances physical strength, endurance and reaction time. Who wants some?" And Ethan was all like: "Me!" As for the Kate/Juliet thing, I know that the injury was accidental, but before it occurred it looked as though Kate had only momentarily gotten the better of Julie (who didn't look concerned at all). Not saying JUlie is all Captain America, like Ethan appeared to be, but she certainly had been trained in hand to hand combat based on the first go round with Kate.
spy mark by lordgrimplemort	Apr 12th, 2007 12:11:25 PM
I posted late last night about Juliet's brand being the same as the mark on the tree. Did anyone else find that interesting? They obviouly lingered on it to make sure we saw what it was.
tree symbol by PwnedByStallone	Apr 12th, 2007 12:15:19 PM
There is an explanation of what the symbol means on the tailsection if you haven't seen it.
Gaargh by 2LeggedFreak	Apr 12th, 2007 12:19:36 PM
There was nothing in last nights episode that you couldn't have garnered from previous episodes. What we did not get though was any explanation as to why the Others behave the way they do to the Losties, never mind what they want. Jacks reason for not getting Juliet to answer any questions was risible. I was prepared to think that, as per usual with people on this Island, he was privvy to some info that he wasn't telling anyone else but when he explained to Juliet why he trusted her my head almost exploded with frustration. And yes he can trust her but that doesn't mean she can't answer some fucking straight forward questions like "What do you Want?" and "Why are you doing this". Anyway now the others have some other weird infiltration scam going on with Juliet who may or may not carry it through. I don't care unless I know these peoples motivation and as of now that is still as big a mystery as ever. Oh and the prize for top wankdom last night goes to ......Sayid, for using a machete to clear a path you could walk an elephant through.
...so now I understand... by mr ahole ramirez	Apr 12th, 2007 12:22:31 PM
...I never complained bout Jack (cept for that stoopid tat episode), but last night I realize why so many people hate him compared to Hurley (kill this fat guy also)...I mean, this guy was actin like a asshole cuz people was tryin to ask questions that mattered and was worried bout havin a "other" in the camp...WTF?...are you that horny of a bastard that you will forget everythin the "others" did to you and your friends Jack?...see, followin your dick gets you into trouble...but I predict wit Jack bein so easily duped, the people will turn on him, makin Sawyer and Sayid leaders...then hopefully the two can agree to kill Hurley also...
re: 2leggedfreak by mr ahole ramirez	Apr 12th, 2007 12:25:29 PM
...I agree 100% wit ya wit the Jack thing...but I dont get that top wankdom thing...is that some British thing or somethin?...
How the Others know about Sawyer by Jor-El23	Apr 12th, 2007 12:35:48 PM
They could have found out about Sawyer killing that guy well after the plane crashed. They had contact with the outside world for how long after the crash? plenty of time to do some digging, which they seem quite good at.
Jack by PwnedByStallone	Apr 12th, 2007 12:37:15 PM
I almost choked on my tongue laughing when he told Sayid that Juliet was under his protection. As if Sayid couldn't kill everyone on the Island before they even knew what happened.
Jack's like, "I'm down wit dat." by biggles2_22	Apr 12th, 2007 12:37:23 PM
You homos keep asking what Jack's motivation is for hovering over Juliet! Simple really, when she showed him her new scar, he, like Goodwin, was enthralled by the power of her SexyBack(tm). Yes, I said it again, SexyBack(tm). The newest super hero power. Claire (from Heroes) has the same power but we haven't seen it yet. I mean we've seen SexyFront(tm) on her, but her chest was flayed open and it was kinda gross. Just one more week until....!Awesome!(tm)
I reiterate by Strabo	Apr 12th, 2007 12:40:56 PM
Echoing The Selector's comments...infertility? That's the reason behind the Others' nefarious plan? Who gives a shit? Also, Novaman5000, as you say, "We learned that Ethan was sneaking into camp and taking blood samples of Claire and others every night, and that Claire wasn't just having paranoid dreams." The problem is that we actually learned that _three years ago_ back in the first season. That is absolutely nothing new. Finally, yeah, the whole pregnancy thing might be a problem for Sun, but it's doubtful. The dead woman on the table was definitely very far along in her pregnancy, judging by her size. With as slow as this show moves, it's doubtful that Sun will get that far along during the show. We're three quarters of the way through the third season, and the Losties have only been on the island for 83 days. The end of the first season was day 44, which means that seasons two and three have grown remarkably slower. Assuming the fourth and fifth season run at the same rate as the second and third, Sun will only be half way into her second trimester, and that's assuming she got pregnant prior to the crash. My inference was that she got pregnant ON the island because of the island's powers, likely after Jin returned with the Tailies, in which case you can cut 48 days off her progress. If so, that would put her at 11 weeks...still in the first trimester. Sun being pregnant will _NEVER_ be an issue, unless the writers grow a fucking pair and decide to actually move the plot, and the calendar, along a bit faster. Finally, yeah, I still watch the show...is that the best insult you can come up with? In fact...is that _all_ you can do? Resort to ad hominem by implying that I am somehow a loser for continuing to watch the show? Good job.
Pawned... by biggles2_22	Apr 12th, 2007 12:41:25 PM
...I thought the exact thing when Jack put SexyBack(tm) under his "protection". I would have loved to see Sayid knock Jack on his arse, rip down his pants, bend him over, and whisper in his thick Arabic accent, "Perhaps I should have brought some "protection" myself, Jack."
mr ahole ramirez by 2LeggedFreak	Apr 12th, 2007 12:41:38 PM
Top Wankdom is a phrase I just made up to describe people who do ridiculous things like pull out a machete to clear non existent shrubbery from the path in front of them. Top wankdom may also be used to describe Jacks actions in any given episode of Lost.
Another solid episode...and Jack is a.... by Lost Skeleton	Apr 12th, 2007 12:45:49 PM
dumbass. This dude loves trusting the wrong chick doesn't he? Man, on the other hand, I think Julie? may have an innocent reason for her betrayal...she wants to get off the island to see her sister and her niece. I think Ben may have a way of getting her off that island and that is all that matters to her, so she may not be all evil.
Here's what I don't get by Laslo Hollyfeld	Apr 12th, 2007 12:48:21 PM
Ok, I could see them buying Juliet's explanation about Ethan trying to protect the pregnant Claire and then going horribly off course when the flight manifest was discovered. In other words, the Others were not malicious toward them; Ethan just messed up. I could see them buying the explanation, that is, were it not for the fact the they met the tailies. You know, the ones who were ostensibly picked off by the Others. Specifically, Ana Lucia had her shindig with Goodwin and presumably told Jack about it. This being the case, though, how can they not see Juliet's explanation as bs?
The Lost Writers by 2LeggedFreak	Apr 12th, 2007 12:52:05 PM
I think the Lost writers have figured out a long time ago that the cheap and easy way to keep a series going in the ratings is to throw in a huge dash of mystery. Here's a scenario: Benry and his gang have set themselves up on an magical mystery Island that can cure all disease and are set to live happily ever after. They want nothing to do with the outside world. Then disaster, they find they cannot have children. Let's get a fertility expert in, nope she's just good at being smug, so no answer there. Looky there, its a plane crash. We can't or won't rescue these people because it would reveal us to the world so what we'll do is fuck them about a lot and use them to aid our research. Now if you thought that was the answer 2 seasons ago, bearing in mind whats happened since ( not a fuckin lot) would you still be watching. Not a chance. So this promise of reveals is what, until now has been keeping the ratings up. Beware though Lost writers, the time has come to put up in a big way or the show is history. I hope you've got a damn sight better explanation than mine for what has been going on.
getting pregnant vs. dying at birth by purplemonkeydw	Apr 12th, 2007 12:55:53 PM
my understanding is that the mothers just aren't surviving childbirth, not that they can't get pregnant...meh, I should start taking notes.
purplemonkeydw by Laslo Hollyfeld	Apr 12th, 2007 12:59:36 PM
Mothers on the island couldn't get pregnant. Thus, Ben scooped up Juliet because of what she did with her sister. Then, Juliet can get women on the island pregnant. The only problem is that they die at some point during their pregnancies.
2LeggedFreak by PwnedByStallone	Apr 12th, 2007 01:03:15 PM
It was pretty clear if you actually PAID ATTENTION that the reason Sayid was using the machete to clear easy brush wasnn't out of necessity. He was pissed at Jack for just allowing Juliet to come to the camp and he was exhibiting his frustration. He almost hit Kate with the thing in fact. If you watch she gets this annoyed look on her face like, "Watch it there with that thing, buddy."
2LeggedFreak by Strabo	Apr 12th, 2007 01:09:17 PM
So say we frakkin' all. That's exactly the problem with this show. If all they wanted with the Losties was the chance to get a few recruits and study Clair's pregnancy, they could have just stepped out of the jungle and _talked_ to them. "We're sorry...we can't get you off the island, but we can provide shelter, food, medical treatment, and air conditioning." Everyone would have _happily_ gone along with them. There would have been no need for kidnapping, murder, or any of the other heinous things the Others have done to the Losties. For the behavior of the Others to make sense, their goals have to be something in which the Losties would _NEVER_ willingly participate. So far, their goals look pretty fucking pedestrian. The simple explanation is that the writers _can't_ write answers as good as their questions.
That duplicitous bitch. by DarthCorleone	Apr 12th, 2007 01:12:22 PM
I gotta admit they had me going; I thought there was a chance Juliet had flipped. She is going to get hers. Oh, yes. She will get hers. My still outstanding question: when and how did she gain her edge? Was it just a result of hanging out with the Others for three years? Was there any training involved? Her transformation from wide-eyed innocent to cold-blooded killer with kung fu moves requires explanation.
Strabo by Laslo Hollyfeld	Apr 12th, 2007 01:14:29 PM
I think it's clear from the chip they put in Claire and what happened with the tailies that things are much more nefarious than pedestrian. Now, the emperor still might not have any clothes, but we'll just have to see.
Finkel is Einhorn - Sylar is Jacob by Tattooedjedi	Apr 12th, 2007 01:17:03 PM
How much you want to bet that brain eating go getter Sylar is the guy Henry Gale has been hiding behind all these months. Save the Cheerleader, Save the Others...
Ben set it up by leesheri	Apr 12th, 2007 01:17:25 PM
Juliet went along with the 815ers. She looked genuinely scared after her encounter with Sayid and Sawyer. What do you have to say now for those that doubted that Ben allowed himself to be captured? Seems a tad more probable doesn't it?
Lazlo by rbrog77	Apr 12th, 2007 01:17:38 PM
Sorry. Work. Hate it when that gets in the way of this on Thursdays..............I think Ben is too clever for what he says to be inturpeted as a lie. He manipulates. He cons. He may even mislead. Now he may have lied when he told Locke he didn't push the button, but do we know that for sure? I'm telling you, this guy reminds me of the kid in the Twilight Zone episode (and movie) that made people do what he wanted, got what he wished for, watched on what he wanted to see on TV, etc. Now wouldn't that be a hoot.
what the FUCK happened to the LOST talkback????? by samsquanch	Apr 12th, 2007 01:20:00 PM
this is two weeks in a row now, Herc.
DarthCorleone by 2LeggedFreak	Apr 12th, 2007 01:20:25 PM
Now that is something that could be made more of. I am starting to think that the longer you stay on the Island (with its mysterious health giving qualities), the more you move towards the peak of human performance. Which explains why they have the edge in most scenarios until they come up against trained professionals like Anna Lucia, Sayid and Jack (ahem).
Strabo by leesheri	Apr 12th, 2007 01:20:57 PM
Maybe the Others don't want these strangers crashing their party. Those brainwashing rooms really don't scream willing participants. Too many people in too short a time to brainwash them all. The Others could have been over powered.
WOW by mikehuntsbloody	Apr 12th, 2007 01:22:07 PM
with a few exceptions, the posters here are stupid. First off, Juliet wasn't telling that story, she was having a flashback. So that means everything in the flashback was real. I don't know about you tards, but when I have a flashback of a story, I usually don't make up some heavy duty pile of sh1t to entertain myself specially when I'm stuck on an island. Secondly, Jack believes Juliette because she wants to go home to her family. She is willing to do what it takes for her to leave. I don't think Juliette is a bad person but just like everyone on that island, she wants out. Jack took that opportunity too until Rambocke blew up that nifty submarine. And honestly, if everyone is all happy pappy on the freakin island what kind of struggle do you have left? You want to see more of Sawyer stealing crap for himself? or perhaps some more hatch's being unlocked. Some of you really need to understand the concept of serialized drama. Without "drama", LOST is done and the same people will b1hatch about that. Everything doesn't have to make sense right now because maybe the series is still RUNNING. Save your moronic opinions until after the show is done. biggles2_22 "...I thought the exact thing when Jack put SexyBack(tm) under his "protection". I would have loved to see Sayid knock Jack on his arse, rip down his pants, bend him over, and whisper in his thick Arabic accent, "Perhaps I should have brought some "protection" myself, Jack."
We learned by leesheri	Apr 12th, 2007 01:26:49 PM
why they are kidnapping children. We also learned why they are kidnapping select adults. People that can be easily brainwashed into happily joining their psycho-fuck fantasy land. Is anyone else wondering if the reason Ben got that tumor was because he was manipulating people. Like he isn't worthy of the islands magic and it is punishing him. Hence his interest in Locke.
mikehuntsbloody by Laslo Hollyfeld	Apr 12th, 2007 01:27:06 PM
what are you talking about? Unless I missed it, nobody questioned the accuracy of Juliet's flashbacks. They only questioned the accuracy/truth of the story she spun to Jack.
mikehuntsbloody by 2LeggedFreak	Apr 12th, 2007 01:30:08 PM
Well I hope that at the end of its seven year run you don't find out that you have been watching two groups of people cross, double cross and triple cross each other for some totally ilogical reason. Me, and by all means call me moronic, in this situation I would be asking "what are we all fighting about". But then you are right, I am a moron.
Others = super humans by leesheri	Apr 12th, 2007 01:35:12 PM
That was already sort of answered for us. Remember the funeral the Others had. They were all wearing white. Isn't that a Chinese tradition? So, perhaps they train in martial arts. Doesn't completely explain their super human strength, but it explains why they can walk through the jungle so quietly, and fight so well.
laslo by mikehuntsbloody	Apr 12th, 2007 01:35:37 PM
go up and read the TB. Morons were flaming that her whole flashback was a fake. They were unable to comprehend that none of the losties know about Juliet's past or how she got there and her conflict between Ben + Others. To the losties, shes just another one of the Others.
"Time flies when youre there" by PotSmokinAlien	Apr 12th, 2007 01:39:53 PM
this is by no means an original idea but, lets say time passes at a different rate on the island than in the real world. seems like that line might be a clue to that effect. i have LONG thought that christian shepherds final disappearance was to go to the island-- he was gone for a couple of weeks, right? what if what equals "two weeks" on earth equals a couple of years on the island? or, for that matter, five minutes (...walt)?
2leggedfreak by mikehuntsbloody	Apr 12th, 2007 01:40:46 PM
I don't think you are one of the "morons", but as a LOST fan, why would you judge the whole series on a few episodes? Believe me, I have the same concerns about the future of the show. But I'm not going to cry and moan about every little thing on the show that I dont like or agree with. These so called "morons" have nothing better to do but try to be funny on TB's and yet they fail to understand the show. So maybe they should drink a big glass of STFU and relax =)
does anyone actually care by PotSmokinAlien	Apr 12th, 2007 01:41:54 PM
why the smoke monster cant go over the fence? i am doing your job for you loose end killers, i know you are still here.
by beckuary	Apr 12th, 2007 01:42:23 PM
You know, I completely hated Juliet at the beginning of the season, but they have done an incredible job turning me around. And keeping me in the dark-I really don't know what to think about her. On the one hand, she wants OUT. On the other...Jack did save her life, pretty much. Yeah, it could have been an elaborate Other game, but I think he was responsible for saving her, and I think she won't forget that. Juliet is for Juliet, but in the end I think she'll remember the good person she was and do the right thing. And she's mad hot. I agree with whoever, way back, said they can't stand Kate. I hate her lately, although I dug her reunion with Sawyer. I think Juliet is a great match for Jack...strong enough to butt heads with him but calm enough to keep his raging ego/control issues from getting too bad. And you know, I totally agree on it having been stupid to send the surgeon to do a job ANYone else could have done.
and since last weeks TB never got reposted by PotSmokinAlien	Apr 12th, 2007 01:45:25 PM
let me post a theory that i think is pretty solid: producers said "season 1 is about the losties, season 2 is about the island, season 3 is about the others, we cant tell you what season 4 is yet, and season 5 is wrapping it all up" back in the day right? i am gonna predict the following. the widmores are gonna turn out to be bad, and they are gonna come to the island in season 4 to use its secrets/powers for their own purposes. the losties and the others will have to join forces to defeat them. and the des/penny connection will save the day. (maybe throw in a race of 4-toed island dwellers to 'game-change' things for good measure)
i was havin talk with my friend who by emeraldboy	Apr 12th, 2007 01:47:03 PM
said that astrologers in nasa have pinpointed, where they think heaven is. accordin to my friend, they think that heaven is in some parallel universe. remember the comic book tha walt was reading in spanish. before he was kidnapped. that could explain a lot. hence none of them have been rescued,
Walt and Michael by mikehuntsbloody	Apr 12th, 2007 01:51:13 PM
Didn't Ben and Others send them off in a boat? They gave the coordinates and sent them off. But now we find out that you can only escape the island using a submarine. That leads me to believe Walt and Michael are still trapped somewhere in the vicinity of the island. It would be nice if we find out that Walt was the reason behind the plane crash. Didn't he have some super powers like how the bird flew right at him??
Ben is a chronic liar by slone13	Apr 12th, 2007 02:00:14 PM
I do not think "they" have the power to cure Juliet's sister's cancer, but more importantly, I don't think Juliet's sister actually got sick again. Ben knew Juliet wanted off the island and the way to convince her to stay was to tell her that her sister's cancer had come back, which I'm believe was a lie, and that he/they could "cure" her. Showing Juliet footage of her sister healthy doesn't mean she was cured of anything. It just means she's healthy. Now if Ben had shown Juliet footage of her siser dying when he was trying to convince her to stay, THAT would be different story. But he didn't. He showed her some charts. Some doctored charts he had made up to con Juliet. Because her sister was completely fine. He can cure her sister's caner but not his own? Not buying it. The guy's a dirty liar and his pants are on fire.
I don't think so by rbrog77	Apr 12th, 2007 02:03:53 PM
I think Ben's not lying. I think maybe the sister did have cancer...and did not have cancer. I like this parrallel universe thing. The land of infinate possiblities. Pick 1 and it's true.
NASA has not pinpointed Heaven... by ZeroCorpse	Apr 12th, 2007 02:15:46 PM
You're really, really gullible if you believe that NASA is charting mythological afterworlds... So where do they say the Happy Hunting Grounds, Elysian Fields, and Nirvana are? :P
Bekuary by 2LeggedFreak	Apr 12th, 2007 02:20:12 PM
Interesting points re Juliet. But then is it her character or the writers being smart arses that have her say to Jack (to paraphrase)"Your friends probably think I wasn't drugged and actually hand-cuffed myself to Kate etc etc". For her to be a good guy, which she may be, and still to come out with such double-dealing shit is just so symptomatic of the stupid smug mind games these fekkers play.
Zerocorpse: I think the key part of the phrase was by chrth	Apr 12th, 2007 02:22:53 PM
'astrologers in NASA'. NASA does not hire astrologers ... unless the moon is rising in Capricorn.
Just a thought by indyjonez100	Apr 12th, 2007 02:24:26 PM
"Time flies when youre there" by PotSmokinAlien By having the live feed from both the plane crash and the live feed of showing Juliet's sister playing with her kid, I think the whole "Time occurs at a different rate on the island" thing has been debunked.
Old Lady by Bibo	Apr 12th, 2007 02:26:07 PM
I dunno why but I kinda felt like the old lady in the book club might've been Ben's mommy. What's that old lady doing there anyways? Aside from that I thought maybe "Adam and Eve" might've been Ben's folks, or the time traveling corpses of Boone and Shannon, Paolo and Nikki, Bernard and Rose..even Ferdinanad and Miranda.
Indyjonez by PotSmokinAlien	Apr 12th, 2007 02:35:12 PM
check it though, what if time passed slower on the island than in real life? then they coulda just recorded all of that stuff and shown it as if it was live feed. and ben knew that rachel didnt turn out to have cancer b/c that was well in the past, and just lied and told juliet that he could cure it when in fact he just knew the truth and took the credit for it. i was over on lostpedia and there is a whole thing on the Life Extension Project of this hanzo fella. lets' say the island is the project? and the "life extension" it accomplishes is only an extension relative to the rest of the world, since the rest of the world passes faster time-wise than you do when you're on the island. i agree this is probably off the mark though. i like the "says he is controlling future events but really just sees the future" theory a lot better for linderman anyway.
Jacob... by Bibo	Apr 12th, 2007 02:36:46 PM
...might be the Wizard to Ben's Professor Marvel, but I think we'll eventually meet him and he'll be played by an actor of appropriate mojo. This is just a crazy halfassed theory, that I myself only kinda buy, even though it's mine, but...I recently worked with Brad Douriff from Deadwood, Chucky, Cuckoo's Nest etc. and mentioned that with all the Deadwood/Lost crossover casting I wouldn't be too surprised to see him on the show, maybe as a biggie/baddie. Jacob? I mean, I've lost track of how many Deadwoodies have been on Lost so far. But what was weird is how quickly and vehemently he said "No, no no...". Granted, he was probably being straight up, but if it were me I might've said "who knows, hope so, could be" or something along those lines. It's true that half-assed ideas like this and wishful thinking are what lame-o internet rumors are made of, but if it pans out, I'm a prognosticator!
LOST... by -guyinthebackrow	Apr 12th, 2007 02:38:27 PM
A show of weak, impotent characters. One example... Juliet: "A wanna leave the island." Ben: "Ah... no." Juliet: "Okay." Another example... Sayid: "I want answers!" Juliet: "Ah... no." Sayid: "Okay."
juliet/rachel by lordgrimplemort	Apr 12th, 2007 02:38:28 PM
I keep wondering about the brand on the tree that is the same as Juliet's brand. Someone directed me to "the tail section" saying it explained it. It does say that the mark may be have something to do with ufo's or another planet, but doesn't explain the importance of Juliet having it. Also, while there I saw something that I don't know if anyone here has mentioned. When Ben shows Juliet Rachel's chart, in the top right corner it lists the patient's sex as male. So did Ben give her someone else's chart and she didn't pay attention or what?
she did knock up a male mouse by Bibo	Apr 12th, 2007 02:41:02 PM
Maybe her sister is an hombre...or used to be...or is a little from column A, a little from column B.
re: potsmokingalien by mr ahole ramirez	Apr 12th, 2007 02:41:16 PM
...I swore I heard the producers say that season 3 was bout love...I was under the assumption before the season started that everyone would start bein coupled up...well it sorta came true wit Sawyer and Kate... BTW, I likd how Kate called Sawyer James durin the Q&A wit Jack...does anyone else know if Sawyer real name is James Ford?
mikehuntsbloody by slkboxrman	Apr 12th, 2007 02:48:07 PM
it has never been established that you "have" to take the sub to get to the island, but it prob is easier than taking a boat..u remember what ethan said about even taking the sub, that the "last leg is bumpy" ...maybe mike and walt are just dead somewhere....and if u were paying attention it has been established that desmond not pushing the button brought down flight 815, or at least thats the semi official reason..i did find it interesting that they went to mikael for the info on the plane, like they werent really surprised about it that much...then again people tend to crash on the island all the time back to the pirates time....been lovin lost, i knew juliette was lying somehow
the ONLY question that matters. by Calico Pete	Apr 12th, 2007 02:51:19 PM
If we can get an answer to this, we'll have gone a looooong distance toward this story making any sense: WHY DON'T THE OThERS JUST ASK NICELY? The scene w/Paulo overhearing Ben and Juliet does NOT explain this. The brutality of the others, the pointless tormenting they've put down on people, THAT is the biggest mystery/flaw of the story. If the writers could adequately explain this, I'd be content to sit back and take in the story at the pace they wish to unfold it. However, so far this question is so distracting, it's almost impossible to just take in the rest of the revelations... it always come down to, why don't they just fucking ask the Losties nicely, and why haven't they done that from the beginning? The answer will lead to progress on several other mysteries: the Others' disguises, their barefoot walkabouts, the voices in the jungle... at the very least. Think about it.
guyinthebackrow by slkboxrman	Apr 12th, 2007 02:53:19 PM
neither character u mention as saying "OK" ever said OK sayid never took an Ok, in fact he tried twice, once with sawyer to get her to talk... she guilt tripped em both..sayid wont give up , but hes not going to full-on torture her... julliette kept trying to get off the island too, but we all know hes a manipulative lil bastard, and he basically either talked her into or not-answered her into staying anyone else notice how ben and juliette both seemed a lot more human in the flashbacks but at the end they both seemed cold and lifeless, especialy bens eyes, swear they are more spooky now then in the flashbacks
calico pete by slkboxrman	Apr 12th, 2007 02:57:31 PM
ive mentioned this to friends of mine at work that watch the show religiously but im surprised it never came up in one of these talkbacks....i was telling them i think there is a 3rd group on the island somewhere..semi primitive people that ben is a part of ..remember he said he was born on the island, so i think the barefooters are part of a yet unrevealed 3rd group....that he is a member of also, maybe thats where they all went, to be with that 3rd group, possibly on one of the many islands that appear to be around the main island
ask a question, cut to flashback by rgatz	Apr 12th, 2007 03:01:31 PM
...that doesn't answer the question. I was half expecting Sayid to comment on it. In order for the Other's behavior to start making sense they would have to be some kind of religious cult. Mysticism is quickly becoming the only way you can explain all of the coincidences and synchronicities involved. But the writers have promised a non-mystical resolve, right? I'm just glad they didn't jerk the audience around with Juliet's duplicity.
"We've cleared our schedules" by Steve_Dooku	Apr 12th, 2007 03:07:12 PM
I loved that line. Ben sure didn't rush up to the Flame station to show Juliette her sister. He stopped at some perimeter and tried to "walkie" Mikhail. He would not approach until Mikhail knew he was coming. Mikhail was clearly actively guarding the Flame with lethal force - but from what/whom?
Everything we saw on the tv's in the flame...... by StanTheCritic	Apr 12th, 2007 03:07:27 PM
Happened in the past. It was all recorded years ago. That is how Ben knew her sister was going to be okay. Even the plane news footage.
We know that this season ends with..... by Mr. Profit	Apr 12th, 2007 03:18:40 PM
A mega battle between the Others and the 815 Crew. And we know that they will finally start getting all Lord of the Flies soon. I really hate reading spoilers, they kind of hype you up to the point that any episode that airs before the events you are hyped about seem like filler I had to watch last night's episode 2 times to really appreciate how good it was. Sure there are more questions now, but I ultimately think Juliet is not totally bad. And I agree about the others having some sort of enhanced strength. They should explain that shit before the season ends. I just hope that this show doesn't end with them really being close to civilization on some "The Village" bullshit because then I'd be upset.
Calico Pete by dodgethis	Apr 12th, 2007 03:24:35 PM
You are dead on with that. Anybody here got the time to compile a list of the cruel/seemingly unneccesary things the others have done? I think Juliet saying that that Ethan was never supposed to kidnap Claire was trying to clarify some of this, but it still doesn't exlain why they would go to all the trouble to have fake identities when they could at least TRY asking first. Ethan had a cold, demented look in his eyes when he kidnapped Claire, it would have been cooler if they had explained it that Ethan had went crazy and wanted to conduct the experiement at any cost or something.
Jack... by thenatureboy	Apr 12th, 2007 03:24:46 PM
better hope that there are some Dharma condoms laying around if he's going to bang Juliette. She banged Goodwin, probably Ben and who knows who else of the Others. Even though she is smoking hot. http://tinyurl.com/2j7ngh
Astrologers? In NASA? by redtom	Apr 12th, 2007 03:28:27 PM
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha......... oh shit, I was laughin so hard I snorted my tea through my nose and now my keyboard is all messed up... seriously, you guyz kill me...
Strabo, I wasn't insulting you, merely stating a fact: by Novaman5000	Apr 12th, 2007 03:33:35 PM
You watch the show every week, and then every week you come back and bitch about how you don't like it. I wouldn't say that makes you a loser, but I do think that your complaints are not particularly legitimate. It's like shooting yourself in the foot and then complaining about the pain. We didn't know Ethan was taking blood every night from the survivors. We didn't know that Claire's dreams were anything but dreams until last night, premonitions perhaps, but not really happening. We learned that Ethan was acting on his own, panicked that Hurley was about to find him out. If you don't care about the infertility thing, then that's fine, but don't bitch about us not getting answers last night. We got them, if you didn't like them or didn't care about them, that's one thing, but they were there, and they were pretty significant.
I'll ask it again by Laslo Hollyfeld	Apr 12th, 2007 03:44:18 PM
Why would Jack accept Juliet's explanation? According to her, the Others intended nothing malicious when their flight crashed. Ethan just made some bad choices when backed into a corner. Okay, but the tailies crashed at the same time. And Ana Lucia undoubtedly told him about Goodwin, the killings, etc. I can understand Ethan as a single rogue. But the tallies experience shows that things were much more concerted.
Another excellent episode! by Strumpus Plunkett	Apr 12th, 2007 03:47:40 PM
The story quality during this second half of this season seems to be going up and up? Shame they seemed to have turned the best character, Locke, from Rambo Kenobi into feckin' Milhouse. What's happening with those two guys who found the signal in the snowy research station when the sky went all Jimi Hendrix at the end of Season 2?! I'm assuming we'll get some sort of answer in this season's finale?
oh brother by lopan	Apr 12th, 2007 03:55:24 PM
talks shit about lost checks talkback furiously to see if anyone got riled up watches show excitedly posts immediately saying how much the show sucked f5's talkback furiously rubs hands together anxiously awaits next week
Desmond ep next week...Penny episode? by Novaman5000	Apr 12th, 2007 03:57:07 PM
And what's this I'm hearing about something high above the island??
Shh, Laslo... by Childe Roland	Apr 12th, 2007 04:03:17 PM
...you're not supposed to mention the tailies anymore. The writers would like to pretend they never happened. ;) Kidding. Sort of. As for Claire's dreams, Nova, I don't know about other people but it seemed pretty clear to me that we were supposed to believe those "dreams" were either a.) real memories or b.) the island influencing Claire's dreams to try and tell her something. I don't recall ever thinking she was just paranoid or nuts. In fact, I remember specifically yelling at the tv when folks were dismissing her as such, saying: "There's a fucking monster on the island like nothing you've ever seen before and you already know there was one of you who wasn't really one of you...why is her story so hard to buy?" But maybe that was just the way the wife and I saw it.
isnt it funny.. by rockness	Apr 12th, 2007 04:19:39 PM
how one hater (ahem strabo) changes the entire mood of the talkback and now we are all on the defensive? just stop watching it dude! I'm sick of arguing about whether the show is good or not. I think it is. You think it is not. WHO CARES!!!
StantheCritic by PotSmokinAlien	Apr 12th, 2007 04:36:59 PM
thanks for backing me up there brother.
yup yup by kingoflight	Apr 12th, 2007 04:41:12 PM
Just ignore him... NEXT Yeah its strange how people demand stuff on this show and get dismissed so easily. If i was syied i would have treated jack as compramised as soon as he defended juliet. I hope syied and sawyer pull together and suss that juliet is up to something. I hope micheal and walt come back in a surprise turn of events at the end of the season.
High above the island? by PotSmokinAlien	Apr 12th, 2007 04:44:22 PM
havent heard anything about that one, but i am the only alien that should be high above the island, and that is when i am watching it on television. keep any other aliens safely away please. seriously, introduce aliens into this show and youve lost us.
Calico Pete by PotSmokinAlien	Apr 12th, 2007 04:50:05 PM
maybe its got something to do with the pavlovian part of the dharma project? the dr. candle film said it was 1/4 psychological test, 1/4 social something, 1/4 something else, and 1/4 pavlovian conditioning. memory schmemory (stay off the weed kids). maybe the others are conditioning them to a certain response when terrorized? teaching them to conquer their fear? at least sayid also seems to be interested in that whole aspect of things...
if you need it, writers... by PotSmokinAlien	Apr 12th, 2007 04:51:33 PM
that one's on me
Problem with Time Dilation by ElPaw	Apr 12th, 2007 04:58:43 PM
Juliet knows she came to the island in 2001, as that was the year she left Portland. She knows she has been there 3 years x months y days (she said in ep. 7). She knows 815 crashed on the 22nd September 2004, 3 years after she came to the island, and the losties can corroborate that fact. So she knows that time dilation does not occur on the island. Otherwise her day count on the island would be out of step with the 2004-2001 difference.
Childe, I always saw them as premonitions that by Novaman5000	Apr 12th, 2007 05:12:08 PM
she was going to be taken. As for high above, it's not aliens...I was thinking some sort of high altitude balloon or something. All I know is, no one heard anything when the food was dropped, and I have heard that it wasn't a plane that dropped it, and that we'd find out this season what it was. I'd be freaking THRILLED if Michael and Walt showed up to close this season. I'm so afraid the writers are just going to never visit that plotline ever again.
Thank you my US and Canadian cousins by smellmycheese	Apr 12th, 2007 05:12:32 PM
Ok... so it's late here (about 11pm GMT 12/04) and i've just finished watching Lost 24hrs after it showed in the US (or something like that). I've had a few beers but I just wanted to say a big fucking thanks to our US and/or Canadian cousins who each week, and without fail, upload each new episode of Lost. Fucking love it... and you save me subscribing to Sky. Cheers!
PotSmokinAlien by leesheri	Apr 12th, 2007 05:22:15 PM
How much slower does time pass on the island? Penny didn't seem any older than she was in the flash backs when we saw her at the end of last season. Unless that isn't Penny but her child with Desmond, but that would be stretching.
Novaman5000 by leesheri	Apr 12th, 2007 05:27:39 PM
I wouldn't take it on Juliet's word that he was acting alone. The fact that Claire was injected with something to make her sick, Ben activated it, makes me think she was lying. I don't think we can trust anything she said. The "medicine" she injected in Claire was a set up. Nah, I am not trusting a word out of Juliet's mouth.
...one cool thing I noticed... by mr ahole ramirez	Apr 12th, 2007 05:44:03 PM
...when the plane broke apart, Ben IMMEDIATELY gave out orders and the two just ran off...it felt like they were soldiers, ready for anythin...which sorta doesnt make sense since theyre doctors and scientists or whatever...so do they have trainin seminars for situations like that?...
The best way to make the haters go away by tie3456	Apr 12th, 2007 05:45:52 PM
...is to ignore them. If no one responds to their stupid shit, they'll eventually get tired of typing to themselves and go away. But I know there are plenty of people on this board who are incapable of just letting things go. Why does everyone insist on arguing with these people as if you are going to actually change their opinion. You're not...they don't come here and bitch to have their opinions changed, they do it to be as irritating as possible. Great episode by the way. And next week just looks all kinds of badass.
ElPaw/ Leesheri by PotSmokinAlien	Apr 12th, 2007 05:50:24 PM
Thanks guys, those are both pretty irrefutable pieces of evidence all right. maybe that line about time flying was just a writerly wink at the theory
Jules's allegiances by PotSmokinAlien	Apr 12th, 2007 05:52:57 PM
i would bet you dollars to donuts we are gonna see a juliette double cross on or before........... lets say 3.20. "that bug eyed bastard" (not one of your best there sawyer) will get whats coming to him, liar or not
Big battle to end the season??? by McCroskey	Apr 12th, 2007 06:05:57 PM
How can that happen when the castaways are down to something like two guns, one of which may or may not have any ammunition? One near certain thing that will happen each time the castaways go out on a mission is that they will lose a lot of guns. It would be nice if they somehow get some of them back.
SPOILER by CorpseRide	Apr 12th, 2007 06:06:01 PM
Naomi, who works for Penelope Widmore, parachutes onto the island from a helicopter in next week's ep. Desmond and a few of the guys head out to intercept her.
Jack must die! (or be banished!) by SPECTRE Agent	Apr 12th, 2007 06:09:09 PM
Shave his Vichy head and kick his ass into the jungle already. Then Sayid and Sawyer can rule as 2 Kings.
McCroskey by leesheri	Apr 12th, 2007 06:13:52 PM
The battle would be more a battle of wits. Juliet has been strategically placed, and Locke has placed himself. Has he really gone over to the others side or is he just trying to do what we have been screaming all season. Getting answers! Remember, he used to play those war games and he seems quite good at chess. Ben seems to be on the outs with the island (the tumor), but Locke is still walking. If the island is on your side how can you lose?
Much better pic from gia by optimus122	Apr 12th, 2007 06:25:34 PM
http://tinyurl.com/2txtdb
about moving into Othersville by fatsackowind	Apr 12th, 2007 06:40:00 PM
I don't think it's wise to move 40 people through a jungle infested with a killer smoke monster, espesh when someone was quoted as saying "we're next." anyone up for mass slaughter? i am, but i don't think the survivors are. amazing episode. AAAND, I'm starting to think Ethan did not kill Scott/Steve or hang Charlie.
How much does the twist undo? by Dapper Swindler	Apr 12th, 2007 06:48:49 PM
I don't like finding out something which negates everything I learned up to that point. So did Ben hatch this scheme after the sub blew up, or was it planned before then? Did Juliet really want Jack to kill Ben or was it all a set up?! To answer my own question and help with loose ends, Ben asked Juliet to go with them after the sub blew up. Everything we know about Juliet before that is still true. She did want Jack to kill Ben. (She did kill that one fellow). But she does not yet know that Ben wanted and planned for the sub to blow up, so she can't blame him. She must have worked out a new deal with Ben to get off the island.
is it possible Ben lied to Juliet about her sister's... by iamnicksaicnsn	Apr 12th, 2007 07:05:07 PM
cancer returning? That maybe it never did and that he only said it did and showed her fake info to get her to trust him and stay. And maybe that's why he was so scared when he got cancer. Then, maybe Juliet will find out somehow, get pissed at Ben, and then finally get onto Jack and the Losties side.
Locke by PotSmokinAlien	Apr 12th, 2007 07:19:33 PM
shaky, random and speculative as this may be... remember in season 2 there was a scene where locke was frantically ripping books off the shelf in the swan station? i thought he was looking for more dharma films since one had been hidden in a book in the arrow station. BUT. what if he was instead looking for the failsafe key that he knew (somehow) had been hidden in des's copy of our mutual friend? is there any way he could have known that it was in there?
Adam & Eve =... by leeVSbenway	Apr 12th, 2007 07:27:37 PM
...Amelia Earhart and Fred Noonan. You know this to be true.
BilboFatwa by leesheri	Apr 12th, 2007 07:29:49 PM
I heard a helicopter so I think the person hanging is someone that parachuted out of it before it crashes. I agree, I don't believe anything out of Juliet's mouth. She has a new deal with Ben, and she is a fool for believing him after all these years. side note: I am really wondering with all these references to Alice in Wonderland and Through the Looking Glass if the end of the series will be Jack waking up on the plane or as some junky in a drug rehab.
jack and teh swan by sakkatta	Apr 12th, 2007 07:30:34 PM
has anyone told jack about the hatch? isn't all of jack's stuff exploded because he moved from the caves to the swan? also is anyone going to tell him about eko?
and they (others) want by leesheri	Apr 12th, 2007 07:32:47 PM
Aaron, and Sun. Remember she is pregnant. Will they take her to study and experiment on her?
NASA - " We've found Santa! by john j rambo	Apr 12th, 2007 07:43:07 PM
Apparently , according to breaking newsreports NASA have found Santa Clause's secret lair.A NASA spokeman confirmed ."Yeah well we were kinda looking for heaven and we just sorta struck lucky!"In other news it has been confirmed that the Easter Bunny has joined the witness protection programme.
Medicine by arsonlarsen	Apr 12th, 2007 07:45:13 PM
Could the medicine from the hatch(the vaccination or whatever) that Desmond was using be the same as Clair's injection. Desmond said it didn't do a damned thing. Maybe because he's male?
TASG. by Pennsy	Apr 12th, 2007 08:04:30 PM
Whither?
Who tried to kill Charlie in season 1... by Executor	Apr 12th, 2007 09:13:38 PM
...maybe it wasn't necessarily Ethan. I mean, stringing someone up in a tree while trying to keep an eye on captive Claire...not exactly the easiest way to off someone. Maybe it was a suicide attempt...sad little Charlie realized how pathetic he was after he couldn't save Claire and tried to off himself. And that's why the universe keep trying to "course correct" and kill him. He wanted to die.
AM I remembering correctly? Was Ethan SUPER STRONG????? by wackybantha	Apr 12th, 2007 10:45:57 PM
I remember him being kinda like a TERMINATOR only more human 'cause he was shot and now he's dead. If I am remembering correctly than perhaps that was an abandoned part of the mystery of the Others. I just remember wondering if they were more human than human like a blade runner replicant or something. I suppose the producers would just explain it as Ethan being very determined to survive. I loved that episode but I want an explanation, damn it!!! LOST RULES!
Jacob = the wizard of oz = "God" by JacksParasites	Apr 13th, 2007 12:08:20 AM
In season 2, they sort of explored religion with whether or not to push the button. It was a test of faith. Like in religion, we're told to follow seemingly arbitrary rituals to either receive reward (heaven) or avoid punishment (hell) In this case, we were told the consequences of not performing the ritual of pressing the button was a terrible punishment. Now, ultimately, it turned out not to be B.S. as the button did serve a purpose. The button idea also explored the philosophical idea of whether or not one is here for a reason and if we have a destiny. Now, here in season 3, we've got Jacob. First, going back to the season 2 finale, we're led to believe an ancient civilization resided here that seemingly worshiped gods with extra toes. At least I think that's what Sayeed observed about the statue. Ben, being born here, either believes this ancient religion or is another religious charlatan who knows better but is interested in suckering other people. Jacob seems to play the role of the god figure. We're told Jacob has the power to answer our prayers if we do what speakers on his behalf tell us to do, but we conveniently aren't given the means to verify that Jacob has actually made good on his promises. This is like insisting following church doctrine will get you into heaven like others in the past have done when we have no way to verify that people have ever gone to heaven or that it even exists. It's like the "Kissing Hank's Ass" short film on YouTube. Was the sister cured of Cancer? If she never leaves the island, how can she ever really be sure? I think Jacob doesn't really exist and Ben is using the myth of Jacob's amazing powers to control them.
Books tend to me something in eps...SO... by dead youngling	Apr 13th, 2007 12:40:39 AM
sawyer was reading THE FOUNTAINHEAD a few weeks back. That book introduces the theory of objectivism. anyone who really studies this show show check out that theory--it fits with the character arcs. And I LOVE/HOPE that Jack turns out to be a bad guy somehow.
Jacob is going to turn out to be (SPOILER)... by Triumph poops!	Apr 13th, 2007 12:54:17 AM
Billy Dee Williams. No, not the character from the EXPOSE TV show, I mean the REAL Billy Dee Williams. Just because he's still a fucking cool guy. So the Producers are goign to bring him back again simply so he can spread his bas ass Lando cool aura over this show, which frankly is starting to stink due to some completely illogical writing. But that's okay, Billy will kick some smoke monster butt and make Ben his bitch to save the day!
@Bilbo Fatwa by CorpseRide	Apr 13th, 2007 03:02:32 AM
Dude, I told y'all what happens in next week's ep. Check out my last post, marked "SPOILER". ;-)
Another Stephen King reference... by Dominic-Vobiscum	Apr 13th, 2007 03:06:43 AM
Besides the obvious one of Carrie, there was a rather huge reference to "The Jaunt". In the story, people travel by using, basically, wormholes, but you they drug you before your trip because if you were concious during the jaunt, you'd go insane. Interesting, no?
Benjamin Linus is by Dragulf	Apr 13th, 2007 06:51:42 AM
Schrodinger's cat. It explains everything.
StanTheCritic by indyjonez100	Apr 13th, 2007 07:40:59 AM
Everything we saw on the tv's in the flame...... by StanTheCritic Then explain the part where Ben has the guy following Juliet's sister around and Ben asks him to stop and come on back the camera cuts out. This after Juliet is sitting there watching her sister on TV for who knows how long. How would Ben know how Juliet would sit there and want to look at her sister or know what she was going to say. There is no way that part was set up or "taped" and played later.
What Ben knew about SexyBacks(tm) sis... by biggles2_22	Apr 13th, 2007 07:43:47 AM
...I'm fully supportive of the theory that Ben knew that Juliets sister was OK and used his knowledge to manipulate her. How easy would it be to make up some documents, tell SexyBack(tm) that her sis is dying, then take her to Flame Station to show her that, voila!, she's cured and with her son, and guess what, we (the Others) cured her. And I hate to say it, but this fits in with Rumple Foreskins theory of pre-knowledge of the past and time travel. Huzzah! That is the best theory so far!
Assumptions I have made... by GOB Adama	Apr 13th, 2007 07:57:20 AM
My comp has been wonky so I apologize if I rehash anything anyone else has written. I won't defend these theories to the death, but... 1.) Under Jack's protection: After I stopped laughing from 'Napoleon Dynamite' memories ("Perdo offers you his protection."), I basically read that as less of a mafia-esqe threat (despite the posturing, Jack, Sayid and Sawyer do that A LOT) and more of a variation of the 'trust me on this' attitude he expresses later WITH a touch of 'press this and you face me, your freind and ally'. 2.) Sending Ethan: I too think it is odd that Ben sends the only surgeon. However, I think that, like Ben (tho to a lesser degree, perhaps) there are those among the Others who are either more commited or more a part of the project. Juiliette is still held there with a threat/reward system. 'Mr. Friendly', presumably Goodwin and certainly Ethan, for example, do not need the same motivation. They seem quite self motivated. As someone said above, like soldiers. They have been apart of this deeper and longer and have picked up 'mad jungle skillz' (does tlking like that make me cool or just point out how old I am?) Also, despite the 'good & bad' aspect (which could mean a lot of things) we don't know much about the lists. Perhaps Ethan and Goodwin are among the few capable of even compiling such a list. I'll go even further and suggest that due to the afore mentioned 'mad jungle skillz' that Ben did not expect this to be THAT dangerous for his boys (was he ever wrong!). Besides, up until Ben's tumors came to light Ethan's role as only surgeon may not have been all THAT critical on 'happy healthy island'. Ben's cancer only got so far because it never occured to him it was even possible, AND if he thinks this Jacob person will cure it (Ben might still, at that point, think that is the answer), a surgeon is only a vague plan 'B'. 3.) Not moving to the villiage: This bugged me too. I will accept almost any half-assed answer if they don't move in there. I just want them to offer us one. When the view is good, my suspension of disbelief can span the Grand Canyon. So say we all... or just me, I guess
BilboFatwa and Jack by McCroskey	Apr 13th, 2007 08:00:25 AM
Jack's attempts to salvage the situation at the end of season 2 were heroic, but they were only in that situation to begin with because of the inexplicable stupidity of Jack (and Kate, and Sawyer, and Hurley to lesser extents). Michael's story was so implausible, and his demand that they take Hurley (who would be worthless in a fight), and that they leave Sayid (the professional soldier), should have sent up warning signals to all involved. I mean, if you are going to rescue your son, does it make ANY sense at all to tell Sayid he can't come, while insisting that Hurley does? It took Sayid to point out the obvious to Jack that Michael had most likely been compromised. Even still, Jack (and Sayid also since he didn't anticipate that the ambush would happen as early as it did) led them to disaster. Of course, the reason for all of that was that it served the plot, but I just wish that the writers could have achieved their plot goals w/o making the castaways look so stupid. Despite all of this, I still hold out hope for Jack. He was a good leader for most of the first two seasons, and I am hopeful that he will not be made a fool of by Juliet. One of the best ways to rehabilitate Jack would be to have him ask some pertinent questions, and follow-up with other intelligent questions (unlike, say, when he was in the cage, and exploded in rage at the stewardess after one feeble attempt at getting info from her). All of this 'Juliet can answer our questions when she is ready' garbage doesn't make sense unless Jack is playing Juliet. Otherwise, there is no reason why he wouldn't just say 'Alright, we've taken you in, provided you with food and shelter, so now you will tell us everything you know.'
leesheri and the guns by McCroskey	Apr 13th, 2007 08:02:46 AM
Yeah, the battle doesn't have to be a gun-fight, but it just gets to me a little bit how they have slowly lost what was once a considerable cache of weapons. It would be nice to see them rebuild their stockpile, and then actually put them to good use against the Others.
RForeskin by rbrog77	Apr 13th, 2007 08:54:56 AM
WOW!! Pretty complete sound theory. So if they know the past they know there was a crash and those people's lives never affected the future anymore than what's shown in the flashbacks. Therefore, they could "arrange" for the plane to crash over the island and thus repopulate the world. Interesting.
More thoughts... by GOB Adama	Apr 13th, 2007 08:58:52 AM
1.) Jack questioning Juliette: I hope (as opposed to expect) that Jack is not really as stupid as he seems, right now (he really is my favorite retarded cousin, right now. I love him, but he aint too bright. End of Seasons tend to 'dumbify' Jack). Honestly, unless you are Sayid (who is confident, if conflicted, in his methods) pressing Juliette for answers now (while tempting) may only yeild deeper lies. It is not inconceivable for Jack to have puzzled that out and either be trying to get the truth out of someone he thinks is good, but comparamised OR to catch her in the act. That theory, however is hampered by our proximity to the end of the Season (see 'dumbify', above). 2.) Tourtured Tallies: You would think that they would have spilled thier story about what went on. Jack certainly had an idea about Cindy, or so it seemed (again, see 'dumbify' above). However, it might make for good TV for Bernard to come strolling along, find out where Juliette came from and then go start telling everyone what happened which would give Sayid and Sawyer (spin those two off into their own 'buddy cop' type movie, by the way) a mob and some moral ammo AND force Juliette to either panic into error or come clean (at least to Jack). 3.) I predict that as the 'Big Battle' looms Hurley will discover a diminutive race of 4-toed beings that will mistake him for a god (Sawyer will call them ewoks, but they will be more like marmots than bears). The Others will intitially have the battle in their favor until Sawyer, Jin and the 4-toed creatures (led by Hurley) save the day. Sawyer will tell Kate he lovers and she will repley "I know" 4.) NASA must really be taking a budget hit if Miss Cleo now has 'the right stuff' 5.) I think 'Lost' is better than '24' and 'Heroes' and my opinion makes it holy writ. Therefore I declare that all other shows have no righ to exist! Seriously, who cares. There are like BAH-ZILLION channels now, watch what you like and let others watch what they like. So say we all... or just me, I guess.
Whoops by GOB Adama	Apr 13th, 2007 09:12:22 AM
Sorry for the serious typoes up there. I need to cut back on the booze.
rumple foreskin by biggles2_22	Apr 13th, 2007 09:36:22 AM
I mentioned this in another post, but your theory reminds me of the movie 12 Monkeys.
Jack is in on Juliet's plan by atllee	Apr 13th, 2007 10:00:38 AM
did no one else notice that Juliet mentioned to Jack that she dragged Kate into the jungle and handcuffed herself to her and Jack wasn't surprised? She told him early in the episode when they were making their way back to the beach (may have been before credits rolled)...wondering if Ben's still taunting the Doctors with excape from the island in exchange for something (Sun?)
They want to sack the prop guys/gals by MontyPigeon	Apr 13th, 2007 10:09:44 AM
Since when was Rachel (Juliets sister) a Male weighing 187lb? This is getting stupid now - http://tinyurl.com/32x8fo
Back to the Future... by CaptainTripps	Apr 13th, 2007 10:34:39 AM
The problem I have with your theory, Rumple, is that if this island is supposed to exist in the distant future, then why do they have such old, outdated shit? I have trouble believing that the people of the year 3000 would trust their electromagnetic failsafe to be run by an Apple IIe compter! How would all the appliances still be functioning? I'm lucky to get 7 good years out of a tv before it dies on me and these are pulling 1000? It was an interesting therory, but it doesn't quite make sense in that regard. Seriously, If you were going to build a secret highly-advanced reasearch station in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, would you outfit it with technology from the year 1000a.d.? Also I'm pretty sure that extreme physical changes (like dropping a toe) would take MUCH longer than 1000 years to evolve. Good thinkin' though.
Rumple's "Lost" by GOB Adama	Apr 13th, 2007 11:04:05 AM
GREAT idea, but with enough contradicting it (Apple computer mentioned above, the toe) that I can not say I agree. However, I would very eagerly give a show based on such a premise a watch. You may be on to something, however. To amend it a tad, if I may, perhaps the future civ already died out and DHARMA found thier island, SOME of their remnant tech and etc. etc. yadda yadda yadda...
the old "technology" by Steve_Dooku	Apr 13th, 2007 11:11:54 AM
Since Rumples' theory is being tossed around - It's not that tough to explain the old technology. Today's computers are way overstuffed. Look at what we used to go to the moon. There is more computing power in a TI calculator (for under $20) that was in the Apollo command module. Big companies today still use mainframes. Modern PC's and servers have been a big headache (Y2K, and the recent Daylight Savings Time thing) What if the old stuff is all that works in this present future on Mystery Island? Check "The Story of John Titor" for some fanciful reference. :)
Theories... by GOB Adama	Apr 13th, 2007 11:26:32 AM
It's not that the tech couldn't be explained and integrated into the theory, it's just that it would be such a hard sell to the average veiwing audiance of a (late) prime-time network show (even one like 'Lost') that I doubt they will go that far out. 'Lost' in not a cult fave on cable. It's not writing for a brainy demographic with a taste for on-your-ear mindbending. It's a successful show that delivers a watered-down (but still tastey) brew of mindbending genre entertainment to the masses.
slkboxrman... by -guyinthebackrow	Apr 13th, 2007 11:53:47 AM
I was paraphrasing, but your "talk them into/out of it" is another fine way of saying the characters are weak and impotent. Ethan: "We need to drug you in order for you to take the trip." Juliet: "Okay." What rationale human being would EVER do that?!!! NONE!!! The writers need to remember that in order to create a believeable story you need characters that act in a believeable way. Everything else you can cheat on. Death Rays. Smoke Monsters. That's all fine, but the characters have to react to the story in a human, understandable way.
david19 by Calculon	Apr 13th, 2007 12:03:22 PM
[Regarding any of your posts:] What a lame attempt at logic. That's cute that you're really into the show and you take this talkback really seriously, but starting off your post with an insult is--what was the brilliant description from your first post? oh, yeah--"retarded". What are you twelve?
Drugs for the trip by Thunderbolt Ross	Apr 13th, 2007 12:08:32 PM
I dunno, it's not really like you describe it, -guyinthebackrow. She didn't just say ok, she objected and there was this whole back and forth about it. It's also important to remember how irrational people often are.
finally by AllieJamison	Apr 13th, 2007 01:17:38 PM
I'll see you in one week......meaning Episode 23....Aaarrghh. Wonderful episode.
I am really suprised that no one by emeraldboy	Apr 13th, 2007 01:31:28 PM
here has mentioned logans Run/ Starring MIcheal York and was due to be re-made by Bryan Signer. So is Lost the Remake of logans run.
Okay, Rumple, but what about the food? by CaptainTripps	Apr 13th, 2007 01:35:46 PM
Someone aparently still flies over the island ocassionally and drops food. If the submarine was the way through the "wormhole" these shipments would be coming from the island's time and I seriously doubt that 1000 years from now (let alone 16,000 years from now) you'll be able to track down a modern (circa 2007) looking box of cereal or can of beer. I'm loving the discussion too. It's nice to have a debate without one person proving his point by calling the other person ASS MONKEY or something. Keep it up!
The food drops are coming from the city in the SKY! by StanTheCritic	Apr 13th, 2007 01:56:05 PM
There is a team of people watching the island from the sky. As the whole island is an experiment that hanso is watching.. The helicopter that we will soon see will come from the "sky city".
Does anyone else think it's weird that.... by wackybantha	Apr 13th, 2007 02:09:44 PM
....there are 2 LOST talkbacks. One about the episode and the other about losing the flashbacks for one episode. I say merge them, DAMN IT!!! heeheehoohoo!!!
Do you climb Jacob's Ladder to get there? by Bibo	Apr 13th, 2007 02:39:01 PM
Well do ya?
Jacob's ladder by rbrog77	Apr 13th, 2007 02:58:25 PM
Now that's funny ;->
Elizabeth Mitchell by Jack Burton	Apr 13th, 2007 03:10:59 PM
Why does she always appear to be a much better actress in the flashbacks? Actually most of the actors are better in the flashbacks for that matter. Probably because they are given more to do than glower at each other and act exasperated. Which is exactly why the flashbacks SHOULD stay (as was being debated in the other talkback). I think the big mystery in the finale will be the bodies in the cave. That has never been explained. Although my own crackpot theory is it's Amelia Earhart and her navigator. Herarat Aviation anagrams out to "Earhart".
Juliet's sister by ElPaw	Apr 13th, 2007 03:17:42 PM
is definitely a 187lb man. Remeber Julie's famous for getting males pregnant.
City in the Sky -- by jimbojones123	Apr 13th, 2007 03:35:17 PM
Locke and Juliette must both know something about this city that also makes the rain -- because they have both predicted it now seconds before it happened.
On juliet's sisters cancer scans that ben had... by Novaman5000	Apr 13th, 2007 05:13:46 PM
It has the sex listed as "MALE". Check out the scans on buddytv.com. Now the question is this... Is that just an easter egg/mistake by the prop department, or is there something else about the sister we don't know? OR, did juliet simply miss it and fall for a lame trick of Ben's?
Juliet definitely didn't travel to the island in the by Novaman5000	Apr 13th, 2007 05:17:05 PM
sub. They had to tranq her for it? I mean really. And :"The last leg is a little bumpy?" Who ever heard of a bumpy sub ride? Is it even possible to have particularly severe turbulence in a sub?
Maybe by ElPaw	Apr 13th, 2007 05:56:55 PM
Derren Brown did something to Juliet to get her on the sub
PwnedByStallone is a Red Wings fan, this explains a lot by Pdorwick	Apr 14th, 2007 09:42:14 AM
Hopefully the golf courses will be opened by the time they get knocked out after the first round... again.
Jacks knows more than jack by writerchick	Apr 14th, 2007 01:01:43 PM
He knows something. I think he may even be in on Ben's plan. When Kate found him he was far too 'un-emo' as is Jack's normal behavior. He was unsurprised to see her and not shocked that he had been left. And as cautious he may have been prior to joining the Others he was far too keen to bring Juliette along to their camp. I had a feeling that she was up to something and I cannot wait for Kate to slap her around a bit more. She, like Ben, are, to me, annoying and slimy. I don't care how badly you want to get off the island, you don't willingly torture people and become a mole. And she was stupid, stupid, stupid to believe those test results. She should have realized that Ben was lying...was saying anything to get her to stay on the island. He promised her six months and then lied to her about her sister's/brother's health to get her to stay. I don't believe our favorite survivors will die 'in a week' because we all know how nosey Sayid and Sawyer are. They're going to find that gas mask at the last minute, just before the attack, and force Juliette to tell them what is about to happen. To be honest, I only watch this show now because my husband does and it is the only show we can watch together that doesn't include a square, talking sponge or a little girl explorer. I'm just so tired of all the new questions being presented and rarely any old questions being answered. (Like I really cared what Jack's tattoos meant or how he got them). I know a lot of people who feel the same way...Lost 'lost' many of us long ago but for the life of me I cannot stop watching. Very annoying, that. At least with Heroes you get questions answered very quickly. I also don't think there is anything sinister going on in the outside world (away from the island)like the apolocolypse or that we're now 1000 years in the future. I think the Dharma people are just sick mind fu--kers who think they are saving the world by kidnapping and playing God with innocent people. LOL much like the producers who make it impossible for us to stop watching. Just my take on things.
Why do I still watch this show? by OrlandoJoe	Apr 14th, 2007 09:24:40 PM
Every week, IMO, it gets lamer and lamer. The scene where Ben lays out the plan for Juliet and tells her he'll see her in a week? Lame. Twin Peaks let me down. X-Files let me down. Only show that's never let me down? America's Funniest Home Videos.
Bennet from Commando... by IG76	Apr 16th, 2007 07:21:54 AM
...deserves to appear next after we had Clancy "the kurgan" brown. Godamn it I bet Mark Pillow (From Superman IV) gotta eat too!

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