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FIRSTIES!
by hulkdog
Apr 11th, 2007
03:58:39 AM
In honor of Juliet's tramp stamp!!
I Want To Know Everything!
by kinanswer
Apr 11th, 2007
04:05:10 AM
Don't we bloody all!
Claire
by optimus122
Apr 11th, 2007
04:40:50 AM
Damn if you think she is hot on this show you need to watch the Roswell dvd's...she looks wayyyy hawt in that show and with no dick shrinking accent either.
Sayid really needs to get medieval on Juliet.
by Mogwai Democracy
Apr 11th, 2007
04:42:31 AM
Don't trust her at all. Or Jack for that matter, really. Sawyer in charge? Screw that! It's loooong past time for Sayid to start calling the shots! Lost has been picking up momentum lately and seems back on track. Trim the fat, writers. Get your endgame together. Wrap this thing up in one more season & don't fall prey to Twin Peaks syndrome.
yeah...smokezilla
by TimMighty
Apr 11th, 2007
04:51:13 AM
...could have gone over that fence wtf ?..but whatever...its definately time for an underwear scene of kate..just like in S1. I wonder when they finally bring aliens into the storyline ..its so obvious. Superman:The rise of Kumar
I'm guessing we find out....
by smellmycheese
Apr 11th, 2007
05:08:24 AM
why they were taking the children since it features Ethan, Claire and the statement "Because I did it to her", which is probably Juliette's response to how she knows so much about Claire's medical condition. Man, I'm hoping Claire isn't being set up to be killed off. Not only is she a little hottie but has one of the more interesting backstories. She's barely featured this season (1 FB ep, compared with dull Jack's 3!) and I'm sure Charlie's death is just a ruse so that Claire's death is an even greater shock. It will also mean that Aaron is raised by anOther, something the psychic warned her against. I'm hoping I'm wrong. We shall see...
Elizabeth Mitchell in Gia(?) and Running Scared
by SickPuppy
Apr 11th, 2007
05:22:37 AM
God, she's a kinky bitch. Must go spank monkey.
Vindication? Validation? Or just....
by Cameron1
Apr 11th, 2007
05:24:57 AM
masturbation? Now that we are finding out some of the big shit I really hope whatever answers we get are as good as the mysteries they provided.
Herc's got it wrong...
by krodnoc
Apr 11th, 2007
05:33:43 AM
The Season Finale will be Jack-centric, not Ben. Confirmed by Ausiello over on TVGuide.
you have brought an "Other" into your midst
by Mr_X
Apr 11th, 2007
06:09:38 AM
do you a) leave her be, accept bygones will be bygones b) send her back to the others c) ask he what the fark is going on... no wait, you mean we're finally gonna get some answers? OMFG, this is have to see, i just hope when some crucial question is going to be asked, ther's not like a massive emergency like claire being ill or something like that. see that would really annoy the fuck out of me. thank god for sayid. he seems the only intelligent one out of that bunch.
After rewatching this show on Dvd....
by emeraldboy
Apr 11th, 2007
06:28:52 AM
I am now now Season 2 Dvd Volume 3 or 4. This does contain spoilers so anyone who has not seen the show or has not bought the DVD's should look away now...... In the 1960's america was split really and divided really badly. 2 college students called the degroots decided to set up a multi phase experimental program(One part psychological one part pyschiatriactal one part spiruatual and one part pavolian experiment)and called it the Dhamra Initiative. In order to get backing and sponsership for thier program they went to the Multi-millionaire Dr. Albert Hanzo, who gave them the money. The idea was to create a utopian paradise where all races could live together. This project would be life long but there was an incident of some kind so replacements were needed so along comes Rousseau and her team and she kills them all(we know this maybe bull and that she maybe part of ben's barmy army) and hid in the jungle after Ben's barmy army took her daughter. The only guy who thought he was alone on the island was the army guy played clancy browne, then along came desmond, who thought he was the only guy on the island untill he meets clancy brown drags our desmond into the hatch and orders him to press the button. desmond was on the island for three years on his own(but he wasnt of course) and managed to bring down flight 815 by accidently not pushing the button. When it did come down, ben's barmy army used this to their advantage and infiltrated the survivors an like with Rosseau and the tailies they took the children and vanished into the jungle. It happened again last week too, where for some reason the others left juliet, jack and kate behind. We will soon discover why locke sided with ben's barmy army, they have lockes dad so that means his story his nearing resolution, jack has no idea that claire is his sister and ben's barmy army know this and it could revealed becuase juliet knows everything about jack and I do mean everything. The makers make clear this is a show about redemption and spituality but unlike muck like seventh, it does not shovell it down your throat. The people on the island killed people, took drugs, were adulterous, alcoholic, greedy, claire didnt want her baby and so she was all about to give it up. the island gives people the chance of starting over all again. all the people on the island have a connection or they have met before like the time in the bar when sawyer met jacks dad. or when kate meets her step father the amry sargent on the tv its sayid, who is being brought into us custody. or there is the scene with boone who wants to bring charges against Shannons boyfriend and who do we see but sawyer. Oh and one more thing the producers do know where they are going, on dvd commentary for the 23rd psalm, Carlton Cuse says that even though it even though it does appear that they appear to be flailing around in the dark. They do set-up stories to be used later on and that nonsense with abc and the end is just that nonsense. on the pilot JJ abrams says that they always envisioned 5-6 to six year show. This year abc spun the whole thing about the meeting and the end and the lost haters lapped it up.
The answers offered by this show...
by UltraMeerkat
Apr 11th, 2007
06:28:53 AM
...will never be as good as the ones we have in our heads. With Lost, I suspect, the final destination of this journey will be something of a let down.
@UltraMeerkat
by TimMighty
Apr 11th, 2007
06:37:45 AM
..aliens...youll see.
This is all I have to say:
by SpeakerWiggin
Apr 11th, 2007
06:47:17 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =No_Lfsr4jbg
They're giving Goddard all the big episodes...
by DanielKurland
Apr 11th, 2007
07:11:02 AM
It's nice to see they're recognizing talent and rewarding it, in spite of it being his first full year on the show.
by SpeakerWiggin
by Darth Hater
Apr 11th, 2007
07:17:26 AM
Dear God, if I could reach out with my mind I would stop your heart! I hate you.
TOO SOON
by Pageiv
Apr 11th, 2007
07:17:55 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =ciG-Xs7mBwU
Hey SpeakerWiggin
by Darth Hater
Apr 11th, 2007
07:18:22 AM
Dear God, if I could reach out with my mind I would stop your heart! I hate you.
Things we might find out
by Leopold Scotch
Apr 11th, 2007
07:18:27 AM
The "virus/sickness" thing Rousseau keeps going on about (incidentally, she might have followed Locke and Ben etc when they left the suburb area).

The proper reason for the child-snatching.

Why Juliet didn't know about the monster.

Whether or not Juliet and Ben were together (sounds like maybe it was Juliet and Ethan and that Ben was responsible for their seperation, but that's just speculation - I don't really care about most of the romance crap anyway).

Whether Sayid has the testicular fortitude to go ahead and torture another woman after what happened last time.
Darth Hater
by SpeakerWiggin
Apr 11th, 2007
07:27:48 AM
I love you too, dearie.
speakerwiggin...i'll admit it
by Holodigm
Apr 11th, 2007
07:42:15 AM
i actually liked that
WHERE WAS THE APOLOGY LOST TALKBACK LAST WK?
by jimbojones123
Apr 11th, 2007
07:47:50 AM
COME ON -- why not post a new talkback after everything was back? I was at work at 8am Eastern -- and NOTHING. Put a place holder in. You guys are really not looking cool at all after that. Could have been handled MUCH better. Take notes for next time. Lost talkbacks average well over 500 posts a week. I'm not sure of the overall % but the posts usually start Tuesday and continue into Thursday/Friday. That's about 1/2 week of people just checking that one post. Pay more attention to your site's fans. We would appreciate it. I'm sure this won't be the end of these kind of posts, but it may be the nicest!
National Review Online
by Pageiv
Apr 11th, 2007
08:00:42 AM
...links to this article http://corner.nationalreview.c om/post/?q=MGE4Zjc5ODU2ZmUyODF lMjE1MGFmNjUzNDc1ZTExMDI= now that is gravitas!
If I were on that island...
by CaptainTripps
Apr 11th, 2007
08:12:53 AM
I'd be packing up my shit and moving into the others village. A bunch of empty houses with running water, electricity and a big fence that keeps the smoke monster out are just a few miles away. It's not like they're insulated from the Others where they are now, so they wouldn't be giving anything away by moving, and there's a chance they might find ways in the village to better defend themselves should the Others return. Julliette would be able to show them hidden weapons caches and other secrets of the village. Screw sleeping on the beach under tarps and palm branches! Oh, and Leopold - Julliette admited to Kate that the Others were aware of the smoke monster, but said they didn't know anything about it, except that it "doesn't like our fence."
Don't we already know...
by Black And Gold
Apr 11th, 2007
08:31:18 AM
...what Stephen King book it was? I'm pretty sure it was confirmed, ad nauseum, to be "Carrie".
FUCK YOU HERCULES!!!
by PwnedByStallone
Apr 11th, 2007
08:33:17 AM
WHERE'S LAST WEEKS TALKBACK?
PwnedByStallone
by jimbojones123
Apr 11th, 2007
08:36:11 AM
Was waitin' for you!
Jesus Christ you babies
by askholia
Apr 11th, 2007
08:39:26 AM
Leave Herc the fuck alone. He gives you this nice site to basically shit on, as most of you do, and this is your thanks. Jesus, we should have one talkback alone about how great this site is, but NOOOOO. We are Americans so lets bitch about every free thing that is given to us like we have a right. Why dont you go read a fuckin book or something you mouth-breathing trogladytes. Actually, no, you bitchers should all go live in a vacuum where you can be perfectly happy with NOTHING TO BITCH ABOUT. Then again, that would negate your very essence of being. Pussies.
Sayid will be "next"
by biggles2_22
Apr 11th, 2007
08:41:20 AM
Sorry, if my favorite character keeps torturing without impunity, Smokey will be forced to give him a smack-down ala Ecko.
askholia
by jimbojones123
Apr 11th, 2007
08:44:15 AM
Chill -- a courtesy re-post is all we are asking for. So out of the question????
Answers!
by leesheri
Apr 11th, 2007
08:44:58 AM
I've forgotten everything I was excited about last week... But I am super excited about this week!
I do remember someone bringing up that Sayid won't really torture Juliet, and would like to point out that she knows what he was. She doesn't know that the he has changed. He just tortured Ben a few weeks ago. I am willing to bet he shared that info. No, if I were her I wouldn't mess with Sayid.
askholia
by PwnedByStallone
Apr 11th, 2007
08:45:35 AM
"...we should have one talkback alone about how great this site is, but NOOOOO." You are a tremendous douchebag if you are serious. This is possibly the dumbest thing posted in the 8 years I've been visiting this site.
Seriously though...
by PwnedByStallone
Apr 11th, 2007
08:48:37 AM
I don't mean to harp on this but it was shitty not to repost the TB last week. Every other TB was restored except for that one. Are we supposed to NOT complain about that? This is one of the more popular TB posts on this site and they left us with our thumbs up our asses.
"3.20 Karen and Gerald DeGroot"
by SpyGuy
Apr 11th, 2007
08:50:06 AM
The Dharma founders are getting a flashback? Cool, maybe we'll see them get tattoos or something.

And "DeGroot" has to be an anagram (or part of one) for something. Spelled sideways, it could be "Get Door" or "God Tore" or I could just be completely grasping at nothing. Wouldn't be the first time...

Thank you, Herc!
by buffywrestling
Apr 11th, 2007
08:51:44 AM
For acknowledging that Hurley as Sawyer's foil has been a "WTF?" situation. Now that Jack is back, hopefully he will return Sawyer's balls to him. I hope he took care of them and we will not find them lacking.˜
I hope it lives up to the 4.5 stars.
by Fount of Useless Info
Apr 11th, 2007
08:52:36 AM
I love Juliet, and I'm hoping this episode will help shed more light on her and her motivations. If she is not truly a spy for the Others, she needs to come completely clean and tell them everything, emphasizing that she was a held here as a prisoner for 3 years.

Captain Tripps, I thought the same thing about moving into the Others' old digs, but then again, how can you ever be sure it isn't a trap? At least you know where you stand if you stay in the same place. I'll be shocked if someone doesn't at least suggest it, though.

Smokey being stuck on the other side of the fence doesn't seem that surprising to me. We haven't seen any suggestions that it can climb trees and have we ever seen it be completely airborne (i.e. perhaps it has a connection to the ground or simply can't fly).

I agree with biggles2_22, if Sayid does torture Juliet (and I'm hoping he's all talk), he might not be around for too long. You've got to change your ways or die on penance island.

I'm with Captain Tripps...
by BadAshe
Apr 11th, 2007
08:53:28 AM
My brother and I were talking about that nice, empty village that was sitting and thought, "Boy, it sure would be easier to film on a nice set rather than deal with the logistic and sound issues that a beach offers." I think that they will head out sometime this season to check out the village and then move in. I hope that dog can sniff out C-4 since the others seem so fond of decorating their homes with it.
Last week's 24 didn't suck so much so maybe...
by Pdorwick
Apr 11th, 2007
08:56:28 AM
...this week's Lost might not either. I know this makes no sense but it was nice to finally get an episode of 24 last week that reminded you why you started watching the show in the first place. Lost desperately needs an episode like that to partially redeem what has been a truly horrible season.
In season 2 three people died
by emeraldboy
Apr 11th, 2007
08:57:07 AM
Shannon and season 2 double's whammy killing of ana-lucia cause she got what she deserved for killing shannon and libby who was killed accidently by micheal. This season Ecko died and the death of Charlie has been hinted at. Here is how I think things pan. Claire dies of the virus and this quick, short and shocking death sends charlie over the edge. Cause despite the religion he is very fragile.
Why Smokey can't climb...
by Kid Z
Apr 11th, 2007
08:58:11 AM
... or hover over the fence: My guess is Smokey's very sensitive to the certain electromagnetic or sonic frequencies that power or are utilized by the fence. Regular humans can climb over the pylons, avoiding the full brunt of these frequencies, but Smokey can't even go near the things as he's sensitive to even the "spill-over" frequencies generated by the thing. It's not so much that he's vulnerable to them, it's just that he 's more sensitive to them than humans and doesn't like to even go near them. That's my guess, anyway. Maybe one day we'll see what happens if Smokey tries to go through the fence... my guess is "KA-BOOM!"... another implosion.
Hurley conning Sawyer
by Fount of Useless Info
Apr 11th, 2007
08:59:20 AM
Look, that's not really that big of a surprise. Sawyer knows that everyone hates him or at the least that people hate the way he treats them. All Hurley did was tell him that people were going to do something about it. Sawyer believed it, more than likely because the truth about Sun's kidnapping just came out, and he's a little worried. Hurley used this to make Sawyer realize that he could act differently and be received differently. To Sawyer, having to act nice was the lesser evil when compared to having to leave. The con worked because what Hurley told him was not much of a stretch.
Hurley played Sawyer like a fiddle
by slone13
Apr 11th, 2007
09:02:44 AM
Twice now. It's foolish to harp on on Sawyer got conned by Hurley. Seriously, why is it so hard for some to believe that a con man (and not a very good one, let's be honest) can get conned himself?
Fount of Useless Info
by slone13
Apr 11th, 2007
09:03:47 AM
You beat me to it.
You know, Stallone...
by Childe Roland
Apr 11th, 2007
09:07:05 AM
...you had other options. You don't always have to go right to thumbing yourself when you aren't sure what to do with your free time.

As for Sayid, I think he's safe for the time being. Smokey won't attack you if you stay with a group, and Sayid always seems to have one or two potential redshirts in close proximity. He's cagey like Captain Kirk, that Iraqi is.

Wait, let me guess...
by Strabo
Apr 11th, 2007
09:13:58 AM
On this Very Special episode of Lost, they're going to answer _more_ questions. Like, does Jack wear boxers, or briefs? Kate: shaved or trimmed? (I actually wouldn't mind if they demonstrated that one for us). Sayid: does he really smell like curry? (I'm so very sorry.) Yeah, the "questions" Lost seems to be answering this season are questions no one gives a shit about. Wake me when they tell us what the fuck the Island is, and why Dharma is there.
Tramp's Mates...
by UltraMeerkat
Apr 11th, 2007
09:16:49 AM
...is the phrase used to describe someone who look's like they smell, and I assign that title to Locke, Hurley, Sawyer, Sayid and Jack.
Welcome to Flashback Island
by Mr Incredible
Apr 11th, 2007
09:19:39 AM
I'm glad I fast-forwarded through Kate's stuff last weak. It made for 30 minutes of actual useful information.
continuing...
by Strabo
Apr 11th, 2007
09:21:42 AM
Yeah, I can see it now. The flashback is to Jack during his college days running track. He finds that he's getting a nasty case of heat rash around his groin from all the running and sweating. So...in the last minutes of the episode, he changes to boxers! Featuring additional flashbacks to his stadium run with Desmond where he demonstrates his complete lack of heat rash.

Seriously though...tonight's episode is going to be filled with twenty minutes or so of Sayid verbally sparring with Juliet. In the closing seconds of the episode the two of them will come to an understanding where she's finally ready to start talking. Then *boom* LOST. The end. Next week will pick up with some pressing emergency wherein Desmond has to save Charlie from cutting himself while shaving, thus interrupting the continuation of the conversation, upon which the conversation will be completely forgotten.
This season hasn't put a foot wrong.
by Kubla_Khan
Apr 11th, 2007
09:28:13 AM
Maybe it's cos I don't feel so obsessed with it these days, but now it's just boiling down to good fun for me. I like the fact they're on a revealing tip all the time.
PwnedByStallone
by biggles2_22
Apr 11th, 2007
09:44:53 AM
Dude, you've been putting your thumb up your ass? Ew.
Gah
by Chilli815
Apr 11th, 2007
09:47:11 AM
People -- Lost DOES sometimes have episodes that manage to be excellent character studies, intensely dramatic, and answer questions. This'll be one of them - cause Sayid WON'T accept no for an answer.
Now we know: When PwnedByStallone gives...
by Childe Roland
Apr 11th, 2007
09:49:02 AM
...something a thumbs up, he means it.
cookylamoo...
by smellmycheese
Apr 11th, 2007
09:54:16 AM
she's 100% natural breast, has tender white thighs and is partial to a bit of cock. I'd say she's already half way there.
LOL. It's a line from something actually...
by PwnedByStallone
Apr 11th, 2007
09:56:51 AM
"Thumbs up our asses, thumbs up our asses." Anyone remember what it's from?
Elizabeth Mitchell is...
by Christopher3
Apr 11th, 2007
10:04:05 AM
Calista Flockheart + meat - Ford.
I believe it was Office Space, Stallone.
by Childe Roland
Apr 11th, 2007
10:05:03 AM
Michael Bolton was saying it about the position Intertech (SP?) would be in if he used his Superman III virus to steal their half pennies.

I believe Mrs. Wermer (SP?) from Animal House also made a thumb-in-ass reference at the end of that film, but hers was more literal.

There is a long tradition of ass thumbing in comedic cinema.

PwnedByStallone
by biggles2_22
Apr 11th, 2007
10:05:18 AM
No, but it kinda reminds me of "I eat pieces of shit like you for breakfast!"
PwnedByStallone
by askholia
Apr 11th, 2007
10:08:44 AM
Its "Thumbs up THEIR asses, thumbs up their asses" you toolbox. Jesus, get the quote right you spierman underoo huging, thumb up your own ass, anal affixated, whining d-bag. If my comment was the stupidst you had read in the 8 years you must never read your own! OUCH! BURN. Did everyone see that. He got burned. MEDIC, MEDIC, we have third degree burns over here. Your an idiot and if I was even as partially as stupid as you I would break my hands then cut my fingers off so I could never infect the world by typing the sort of idiotic, nonsensical banter you pride yourself on. Pussies.
So are Michael and Walt officially off the show?
by jimmy_009
Apr 11th, 2007
10:11:54 AM
I'd really like to see them if not. Is that a season finale thing?
jimmy_009
by biggles2_22
Apr 11th, 2007
10:16:44 AM
Dude, welcome to the world of Not Knowing What's Going On. It's pretty much the theme of the show.
lostzilla and the fence
by greycloak85
Apr 11th, 2007
10:20:43 AM
perhaps someone has mentioned this already, but perhaps lostzilla is earthbound in some way (like when it was pulling Locke into the hole or ripping up trees through its passage) and as such might be able to reach over the fence (or not), but couldn't pass it. Thoughts?
Childe Roland
by PwnedByStallone
Apr 11th, 2007
10:21:37 AM
That's it. Thanks. And askholia is right on the line. I stand corrected. You're still a fucking immature dweeb though askholia.
Please Quit Framing Summaries as Spoilers...
by Read and Shut Up
Apr 11th, 2007
10:34:11 AM
Herc does this every week. Enough already.
Come on Herc.
by PwnedByStallone
Apr 11th, 2007
10:35:36 AM
Don't you want to call us motherfuckers like Capone earlier this week. As if that's an insult.
At least he stopped with the Bai Ling updates.
by PwnedByStallone
Apr 11th, 2007
10:39:37 AM
That was irritating. So my theory on the nanocloud (dammit, that's what it is - they lied) is that it couldn't go over the fence because whatever it is that it doesn't like goes all the way up, but whatever that is doesn't affect humans. It is a bit annoyign though. Hopefully they can explain it.
So are we ever going to get
by Wed Vid Guy
Apr 11th, 2007
10:47:39 AM
So are we ever going to get back to that stuff with Desmond's girlfriend and maybe some "off the island" stories? With that in mind, I'll throw out a possible season finale idea...they get off the island.
Wed Vid Guy
by PwnedByStallone
Apr 11th, 2007
10:58:16 AM
Desmond has another flashback next week and we just had an off the island story last week.
Can't wait for tonight!!!!!
by TurckMan
Apr 11th, 2007
11:06:53 AM
About "One of Us": Quote:Tonight, you will learn how Juliet came to the Island, and why the Others so desperately needed her miracle-grow baby-making science. You will learn more about Ethan's infiltration of the castaway encampment in season 1. You will learn how the Others know so much about the castaways. And the ending... well, it's killer. From the very end, after the speculative portion of the program: Quote:Yes, folks: I have seen more than just tonight's episode. And they're good. REALLY good. And if you want a hint of what's to come, how about this: Remember Charlie's question in the pilot — ''Guys... where are we?'' Well, having seen the next couple episodes, I think a better question would be this: ''Guys... WHO are we?'' Source: Doc Jensen
walt and michael are supposed to be back next season-
by Novaman5000
Apr 11th, 2007
11:23:14 AM
Harold Perrineau was supposedly in talks for coming back for the finale but turned it down, still talks are in the works for next season. Who knows. I thikn it'd be a fucking travesty if that storyline wasn't wrapped up.
Whats next for Sawyer?
by Jonah Echo
Apr 11th, 2007
11:26:18 AM
Well, so far I think Season 3 has been a better, and far more interesting season than 2. Season 2 seemed to chase its own tail once the tailies joined the survivors on the beach. Characters like Charlie and Sawyer seemed to turn on the whim of the writers. I feel like theres been more consistency this season, though not much actual information or answers have been revealed. Now something I have noticed, and may be off-base on, regards Locke's father. Ben makes mention of the way the island may be able to give you what you desire. For Locke it seems clear that the miraculous healing of his paralysis was his answered "prayer" if you will. So why is Locke's dad on the island, unless its been done by the Others, or just a wierd random coincidence? If Locke's father was "summoned" to the island, who was responsible? I have always thought that Locke's father and the man who conned James' family(the real Sawyer) were the same person. When Locke recognized that James wasnt giving his real name, how did he know that? Im assuming that even after the paralysis Locke doesnt give up that obsession with his father's criminal activity. Did he learn of the alias at some point? If thats the case, then the arrival of Locke's dad on the island is possibly of even more importance (or interest) to Sawyer, than for Locke. Ive felt that recent events that have caused Sawyer to face his humanity are helping to develop him for this eventual confrontation, which Im hoping occurs this season. *Possible spoilers* It has been mentioned that Sawyer will take a journey of sorts with Locke, and that "something Sawyer never thought would happen is about to happen". Will this be the confrontation with the man who so deeply affected his life? The only potential problem here is that now you have two survivors whose lives have been majorly damaged by this guy, and both with potential axes to grind. If this story point does come to fruition, will it provide a context for Sawyer and Locke to interact more? Both are the most "outcast" of the current group on the beach. Barring Juliette now of course.
Here's a sneak peak
by jccalhoun
Apr 11th, 2007
11:27:40 AM
There's not much more than what was in the teaser at the end of last week, but it makes me wish it were already 10 o'clock! http://urltea.com/4r5
TurckMan
by PwnedByStallone
Apr 11th, 2007
11:33:12 AM
Damn you and your tantalizations!
Much improved lately
by BeatsMe
Apr 11th, 2007
11:40:36 AM
I was definitely bitchin' in the earlier half of this season, but thing have definitely picked up. Mostly the all-others 6 episode run stunk and then they had to get out of it, but it's been back on track since then.
Ausiello is reporting that the finale is:
by Novaman5000
Apr 11th, 2007
11:40:44 AM
JACK-CENTRIC. I hope that this is either a foiler or an extreme departure from Jack's other eps. I swear to god, we do not need another Jack backstory ep this season, and the writers HAVE to know this. The only way I'd be happy about this is if it shed some light on his time with the others and we get some crazy new information. Ben-Centric makes SO much more sense.
I suspect Jonah Echo...
by Childe Roland
Apr 11th, 2007
11:54:08 AM
...is on to something.

After all, Locke was the man who had everythign he'd ever wanted since coming to the island (he was able to walk, hunt, advise and commanded respect).

Ben admitted to Sawyer that he was a con man back when they faked his chest implant and showed him the island. He put so much emphasis on that line, in fact, that I thought it had to mean something more. If Locke's dad is, in fact, responsible for Sawyer's life path, the Others would surely know this. And there's no way Ben wouldn't use something like that to his advantage.

Holodigm
by SpeakerWiggin
Apr 11th, 2007
11:59:55 AM
Glad you liked it! It was fun performing live as well: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =EW7odCDPUmk
slone13
by Fount of Useless Info
Apr 11th, 2007
12:02:29 PM
Not only did I beat you to it, I almost made myslef late to a meeting doing so. Stupid work interfering with my Lost Talkback time.
locke
by lofe101
Apr 11th, 2007
12:02:49 PM
so we still dont find out about his dad getting to the island. a poster was right huh, it wont be for 5 episodes. o well this episode looks pretty damn good. LETS GO SABRES!!!!!! the Islanders are gonna get spanked.
and by myslef
by Fount of Useless Info
Apr 11th, 2007
12:03:13 PM
I mean myself. Stupid fat fingers not doing what I tell them to.
johan echo
by lofe101
Apr 11th, 2007
12:07:38 PM
im with you as for lockes dad being the actual sawyer who screwed sawyer over when he was a kid. but how would they get together since locke is now with the others. will he come back to get him in the middle of the night or something.
Finale flashback
by Fount of Useless Info
Apr 11th, 2007
12:14:05 PM
I believe the words Ausiello used where "I'm _hearing_ (emphasis mine) that the finale will be Jack-centric." This doesn't mean that it is. He often hears things that turn out not to be correct, and he tries to be clear about the speculative stuff versus the confirmed things. I think this is in the speculative column for now.
Juliet lied about the smoke monster
by Dapper Swindler
Apr 11th, 2007
12:16:55 PM
She knows more about it than she is letting on. First she said she had no idea what it is. Then she said she only knew how to defend against it. Why would she lie at all? The fact that she lied about it to begin with means she is holding back information.
Dapper Swindler
by lofe101
Apr 11th, 2007
12:22:47 PM
She said she lied about it so she would fit in with Kate. since both of them were druged and left in the woods, she wanted Kate to feel that they were in the same boat.
Its quite easy to pick out people with no lives...
by david19
Apr 11th, 2007
12:26:24 PM
on this site. Its anyone who has nothing else to do but naysay a show that they apparently hate and yet continue to watch, or (even more retarded) don't watch at all and yet still have an opinion. HUH?!
lofe101
by Dapper Swindler
Apr 11th, 2007
12:33:58 PM
She said that. But I do not believe her.
jack finale
by areynol2
Apr 11th, 2007
12:41:44 PM
Maybe it won't be about him back on mainland. Tt could be about him with the others between surgery and playing football. I know it probably won't be, but I can hope.
I agree Dapper
by david19
Apr 11th, 2007
12:51:34 PM
My inclination at this point is that both Jack and Juliet are still being played by Ben. It doesnt make sense that Juliet had both a knife and a key to the handcuffs. If the Others did gas them both why would they let her have a knife in such an obvious place and a frikkin key? Now based on what we found out last week, the only possibility as I see it is that she knew they were leaving and engineered everything that happened with Kate, just like she said, or the entire thing was a setup, and she and Jack are up to something. Im leaning toward the second option.
I think you're right, Dapper...
by Childe Roland
Apr 11th, 2007
01:00:58 PM
...about Juliet being a lying bitch.

I'm pretty certain she's been playing Jack from the first grilled cheese, and it kind of pisses me off because I like Jack and I get upset when he turns into such an easy mark toward the end of every season (like when he led the group into the Others' trap last season). Makes it tough to keep respect for the character, who is really one of the only purely likeable ones on the show.

Which brings up an interesting point (for me): The smoke monster is obviously punishing the naughty. And it went after Juliet as hard as it did Kate (like a fat guy at a Sizzler buffet). So I think that kind of answers the question about whether she's really one of the good guys or one of the bad guys.

Kate's an unrepentant murderess. Straight-up, plain and simple. So what did Julie do that was so bad?

I know she pretended to plan to kill Ben but, even if her intent had been serious, Smoky doesn't seem to punish based on intent. Smoky seems to take the hardline Christian approach that you can do whatever horrible evil shit you want to as long as you say you're sorry.

So what's hiding in Juliet's closet?

...due to the site crash...
by mr ahole ramirez
Apr 11th, 2007
01:06:03 PM
...I forgot everythin I would like to say/complain bout...but I highly doubt we get any REAL QUESTIONS answered...maybe questions like "is it cold in winter time" or "does any of the stations have bowlin alleys"...but if Herc gives this a 4 and half stars, Ill assume it'll be at least a 2 and half (which isnt bad for LOST since they always give me "entertainment blue balls")...

PS: KILL HURLEY!

3 things
by PwnedByStallone
Apr 11th, 2007
01:09:16 PM
1. Who the hell is Ausiello? 2. Juliette IS a lyign bitch. 3. GO RED WINGS!
Smokey's behavior
by Dapper Swindler
Apr 11th, 2007
01:09:39 PM
Rousseau defined smokey as a "security system" designed to protect the island. When it came upon Kate and Juliet, it stopped and focused a light on Juliet (not Kate, just Juliet). Perhaps this was the same light Locke saw. Then it suddenly retreated. The next day, it was after both of them. Think about it.
RE:stallone
by Mastashake
Apr 11th, 2007
01:11:07 PM
go google Ausiello and lost spoilers... She dishes em out like no tomorrow.
I think
by Mastashake
Apr 11th, 2007
01:13:45 PM
I think that dapper is right... But maybe more people were killed by smokey earlier on because he hadn't accepted them yet. Maybe smokey just needs some time to get used to them like a dog. maybe he isn't as smart as we think
Locke and Sawyer
by Jonah Echo
Apr 11th, 2007
01:19:24 PM
I imagine that if Locke knew that his father was the man responsible for Sawyer's issues, he very well might go and get Sawyer. He did help Charlie back in season 1. Also, theres those tell tale signs of a fight(complete with bandaged hand) that Locke had when he talked to Kate. Im guessing Locke already had "family time" with Daddy by the point he talks to Kate and decides to leave. Did he kill him? Its unlikely I think. But at two different points in the series Ben seemingly tried to warm up to both Sawyer and Locke, and if he knew they both had a common ground, who knows?
Why didn't I notice it before?
by Mastashake
Apr 11th, 2007
01:19:50 PM
SMOKEY AND VINCENT ARE COUSINS!
...Im waitin for...
by mr ahole ramirez
Apr 11th, 2007
01:20:09 PM
...a smokey flashback wit him chillin wit his cousin the green smoke monster...it could be like a buddy-monster episode wit black smokey tryin to rip trees apart and throw people around while green smokey is just clumsyin around, tryin to get people high...also we could name the green smokey, Kirsten Dunst...
Ausiello
by PwnedByStallone
Apr 11th, 2007
01:25:24 PM
What a dildo. His column is like a needle being driven into my head. Anyway if the last episode is Jack centric that would be a serious mistake on this hows part. It has to be Ben.
For that matter, what are the various Lostie's...
by Childe Roland
Apr 11th, 2007
01:28:26 PM
...crimes or sins that they are being judged by?

I've been keeping kind of a running tally:

Jack, Locke and Claire seem to be without sin prior to landing on the Island. Yet Locke, who doesn't seem sorry for anything he's done in his life, has already gotten his reward while Jack, who's sorry for shit he didn't even do, still seems to be going through the ringer. Claire's test was her pregnancy and childbirth, which I thnk we can all agree she passed and received a reward for in her healthy son.

Sawyer was a con man who preyed on people's hopes and emotions (although it could be argued he was testing people's resolve against their greed and lust, making him a tempter and instrument of the Island more than a sinner to be tested) and doesn't seem the least bit remorseful. Clearly he's greedy. I'd have thought the smoke monster would've come for him by now. But it's looking more and more like the island's actually going to give him what he wants most (a chance at revenge on Locke's dad, the man who conned his mom).

Sayid tortured people, but seems to have already come to terms with that and has apologized to the people he felt he needed to. Even if he did it again, I don't think Smoky would kill him for hurting folks. Only if he failed to feel and express remorse for it (like Eko).

Then there's Jin, who seems to be sorry for his entire pre-Island life (as an angry criminal and would-be hit man for his pops in law). Aside from lapsing into ocassional fits of wrath in season one (for which he's apologized), he seems to be doing just fine on the Island. And his wife, a lustful adulteress who, it seems, is very sorry for that transgression, has been given the baby she thought she couldn't have.

Which brings us to the Wonder Twins of self pity: Hurley and Charlie. Hurley's sin is clearly gluttony, which he was tested with earlier in the series (being put in charge of the food). He seems to have eventually passed that test (although he's still inexplicably fat) and was rewarded with his VW bus ride. Charlie, who's failure to act (be it due to apathy or sloth) to save himself or anyone he cared about in his previous life seems to be his sin, is being tested right now with the knowledge that acting to save another will almost certainly kill him.

I'm not including any of the characters who were killed by the free will of other characters or whose tests were orchestrated by the Others (who are, I believe, being tested themselves). So Shannon, Boone, Ana and Libby really were kind of "pointless" deaths in the grand scheme of the Island's purpose. What that purpose is (other than to test), I have yet to come up with a decent theory for. I still think it's a man-made purgatory.

My vote goes to Desmond
by Mastashake
Apr 11th, 2007
01:30:57 PM
the season finale should be a desmond flashback. Except he flashes... DUM DUM DUM... Forward. Could be kinda cool, seeing where all our losties are a couple years down the line. Some of them would have adopted the others. Some would have probably stormed alcatraz or othersville and started a new society. That would be cool, we would still probably get as many answers as a flashback to the far past cause by then everybody would know a lot more.
These spoilers are weak.
by CorpseRide
Apr 11th, 2007
01:36:36 PM
About a week ago folks thought there was a "DeGroot-centric" ep coming up. Now they are of the opinion that whilst it will feature the DeGroots, it will not be DeGroot-centric per se. This site always seems to be a week or so out of touch with its Lost spoilers. If people want better quality spoilers, there are various sites out there. It's a matter of taste, but my personal favorite is this page:

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/ Season_3/prespoilers

I'd trust the folks over at Lostpedia before anyone else.
Smokey is a metaphore
by Kloipy
Apr 11th, 2007
01:38:43 PM
for the dream that Sayid is having about the whole show. That's how it will end people
Childe Roland
by biggles2_22
Apr 11th, 2007
01:40:14 PM
My theory is that Juliet was NOT being pursued by Smokey. Kate was the one with the X on her back. If you'll remember, when the gals were cowering in some trees, Smokey eyeballed Juliet, did some sort of scan (with a flash) and backed off. This leads me to believe that Juliet was never in harms way from Smokey. Oh, and regarding how Claire and Sun got preggers and the Others have not, I've got two words: Doggie-style. Yum!
Sayid is an autistic boy
by Kloipy
Apr 11th, 2007
01:42:16 PM
looking into a snow globe
re: Hurely conning Sawyer
by buffywrestling
Apr 11th, 2007
01:48:03 PM
As I said in the last tb before it got squashed, I get that they are trying to redeem Sawyer and in the last ep, they were using Sun and her censuring looks as his yardstick. The only thing is that her yardstick is not much taller than Sawyer's, what with her keeping things from Jin. And I get that that Ben, who's character has been defined as a master malnipulator, could best Sawyer into believing something that wasn't true. But Hurley? Really? Table tennis? Reverse psychology? Sawyer might not have been the best con man but he has certainly been portrayed as a decent player of the game. If it is your feeling to be okay with that, I'm not going to begrudge you that fact, but it falls flat for me. When Jack was Sawyer's foil, it never seemed silly. Sexy - god, yes, but silly?
Poor Psychic Cop guy from Heros
by jimbojones123
Apr 11th, 2007
01:51:56 PM
Matt -- that's his name. Monster musta been really mad at him -- he didn't even brain scan him like Eko and Juliette.
Entertainment Weekly Doc Jensen article
by VaderSabre
Apr 11th, 2007
01:52:05 PM
Jensen seems quite psyched about tonight, as well as the next few up. There's some words worth reading -- http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0 ,,20034304,00.html --
...the real shows endin...
by mr ahole ramirez
Apr 11th, 2007
01:55:39 PM
...Isaac Mendez wakes up from a heroin binge and sees he painted a picture of a group of people stuck on a island...then he rips it up and throws it away...
Childe Roland -- Lostie's sins
by VaderSabre
Apr 11th, 2007
01:56:13 PM
That's a good point re: Jack, Locke, and Claire. There might be something to Jack's guilt it was his fault his dad died. In season 1 his mom seemed to place some blame on him, I believe. Claire's could be a pregnancy out of wedlock, but that might place emphasis on a cultural/religious imposition. Locke -- damn, I can't narrow that down. Anyone?
Locke:
by CorpseRide
Apr 11th, 2007
02:03:14 PM
Vanity is a sin. Or, rather, pride. He does seem very proud of himself. But doesn't the monster consider him "good"? Why look for his "sin", I think he'd been categorised as a "good guy", by Jacob/Cerebus.
Locke wasn't always proud of himself.
by Childe Roland
Apr 11th, 2007
02:16:22 PM
Remember when he was convinced the hatch had been yet another con he fell for? He was very down on himself for a long while after that. Only recently has he climbed out of the self-pity hole and sort of surpassed the quiet-yet-humble confidence he exuded early in the show. I think he's starting to believe his own hype (and the smoke monster Ben's blowing up his ass), which would definitely make him ripe for the pride sin.

It'll be interesting to see at what moment the Island or Old Smoky pick up on that change in his character and how he's treated after that. Will his legs give out again?

Interestingly, I think Ben's crossed over into serious envy territory since meeting Locke.

Have we covered off on all seven yet?

Come to think of it: Se&en deadly sins...
by Childe Roland
Apr 11th, 2007
02:18:19 PM
...seven stranded castaways on Gilligan's Island. Coincidence? I think not.
Of course I meant "Se7en deadly sins...
by Childe Roland
Apr 11th, 2007
02:19:55 PM
..." in the post above ('cause you can't tell me Ben Linus doesn't have a copy of John Doe's manifesto in his bungalow somewhere).
start calling Smokey "Little Buddy"
by Kloipy
Apr 11th, 2007
02:23:27 PM
and there you go
Smoke Monster and "good" and "bad" people
by Dapper Swindler
Apr 11th, 2007
02:26:10 PM
I don't think the smoke monster is judging people for their "sins". This show is called "Lost". Whenever the question is asked, what is this show about? The producers respond, this show is about people who are lost on an island and are lost in their lives. Those are the bad people, the characters who are "lost" in their lives. Locke wasn't lost on the island, he wanted to be on the island. Because of their past lives, they are (as Mikhail put it) angry, etc. In other words, they lack focus. And this keeps them from communicating with the island. And this makes the island protect itself by unleashing smoke monster as a self-defensive measure. Although, I'm not saying the monster isn't man-made. It could easily have been made to weed out people who aren't supposed to be there.
season finale foilers suck
by leesheri
Apr 11th, 2007
02:28:22 PM
spoilerfix had the season finale as bencentric (they changed it today). Now that is a foiler that is going to piss people off.
Bencentric vs. Jackcentric. Hello! of course the fans want Ben over Jack. Leaking false information is uncool, because the false info is so much better than the true info. Now, saying it's a Jack episode when it will actually be a Ben episode... that is cool.
OK...
by david19
Apr 11th, 2007
02:31:03 PM
I conceed that there is one MAJOR thing that bugs me about this show. If Capn Jack is right (and damn you for spilling spoilers without warning us first! I couldnt resist!) and Jack saves Juliet before she spills the beans, then tonights Ep might leave me a bit pissed. I have to say, last week when Juliet seemed like she hadn't ever seen the smoke monster I got excited. The mystery of season 1 was so much fun, and I miss that but dont despise the direction of the show either. But faced once again with the prospect that the island wasnt completely discovered even by the Others i felt the show was coming back to first season glory. My problem is that the writers seem to be taking too many storytelling short cuts. Its seems like every time the characters are put in a position to find out some real information either some convenient interruption happens or they dont ask pertinent questions. For example, not once last week did Kate deem it important to press the issue of the smoke monster. The same thing happened with Jack and Cindy. And Jack and Juliet. And Jack and Ben. And Locke and Ben. Thus far Lost has been such an engaging show. I really enjoy a lot of the plot points that have been introduced (ie. Desmond Quantam Man blew me away, creepy white haired Other chick is a great addition, John falling to the ground, the real Sawyer strapped to a chair) but i think it was lazy to have Jack Sawyer and Kate all in the Others camp for the first quarter of the season and not reveal at least some secrets. On top of that, they seemed to indicate that one-eyed man would be relevant in some way, but after leading him around the jungle neither Locke, Sayid, Kate, or Danielle thought to ask him anything pertinent, then they just killed him off. So far this show has been a great ride, and i hope the ends justifies the means, but it seems to me that they have been taking these characters that we have come to care so much about, and deconstructing them to the point that they just dont seem all that believable anymore. Its not over till its over, but they need to hand the Losties back their balls, and quick. I was thrilled at the end of season 2 when Jack looks at Kate on the pier and nods to her. I thought that he had some sort of plan. Did anyone else think the same?
Locke's Vanity
by CorpseRide
Apr 11th, 2007
02:31:36 PM
Yeah, he was down for a while... but then again I consider self-pity a form of vanity, so it's all the same to me....
My Lost Theories:
by StubePT
Apr 11th, 2007
02:40:33 PM
Good versus Bad - Ben often refers to people as being good or bad. The children are good; the kidnapped are good; the survivors are mostly bad. Those who are deemed "bad" have sinned prior to coming to the island. Except Locke. Locke - When Ben was being held in the bunker, he told Locke that the Others wanted to take him because he was good. They just never could. Smokie the Monster - Smokie has the ability to look into the souls of the people it runs across. The first encounter, Smokie will "take a picture". For the bad ones, they will see horrific images of their past in the black smoke (like Eko). The good will see beautiful white flashes of light (as Locke and now Juliet witnessed). The bad will then be killed by Smokey upon their second encounter. If you remember in Season 1 when Locke, Jack and Kate were walking back with the dynamite, Smokey grabbed Locke. Locke told Jack to let him go. He was not afraid of Smokey because Smokey saw Locke as good. The Island - It's magic. It grants wishes like a genie. Whatever you most desire, it will provide. Locke wanted to walk again. Rose wanted to be cancer-free. Charlie wanted his guitar. Sawyer wants to come face-to-face with the Real Sawyer (Locke's dad?). Walt - Walt was unique because he possessed the same power as the island but outside of the island. If you remember in his flashbacks, he seemed to have the uncanny ability to make things randomly appear. That's why the Others were so very interested in him. Sins - Jack is still unknown. Kate is a killer. Sawyer is a killer/con-man. Sayid is a torturer. Charlie is a drug-abuser. Claire put her mother in a coma. Sun is an adulterer. Jin is still unknown. Hurley's curse has caused much death and destruction. Locke has none. Juliet has none. Eko was a murderer and drug trafficer.
*groan*
by Steve_Dooku
Apr 11th, 2007
02:41:54 PM
Ben has her rehearsing the plan.Everything from dragging Kate out to the jungle handcuffing themselves together and coming back to the camp. - Even the implant they put into Claire to make her sick in the next 48 hours where he will leave the meds so she can save the day. He then gives her a gas mask and tells her he will see her in a week.

I hope there is a good reason for all this crap because that is pretty whacked.

Jack bails her out before she can answer any questions. Great.
I think pretty much all the Losties...
by Childe Roland
Apr 11th, 2007
02:42:49 PM
...have or, until recently, had some degree of "poor me" syndrome going on. But I see Locke's climb from self pity and doubt to supreme confidence to outright arrogance as the kind of Hubris Greek tragedies are built on.

He could become a very bad baddie and remain sympathetic by virtue of what we've seen him go through. That would be a helluva direction for the character arc and would really force Jack to man up.

emeraldboy
by Calculon
Apr 11th, 2007
02:43:33 PM
Breathe. Now take a moment to collect your thoughts. OK, now you can type. Don't worry, no one is going to scoop you on these Earth-shattering revelations. There's no need for run-on sentences to capture that stream of consciousness. And wait...before you submit, please spell check. Thank you.
And in the Gilligan's Island metaphor...
by Childe Roland
Apr 11th, 2007
02:43:59 PM
...Locke is Gilligan, constantly thwarting any development that might lead to answers about or a way off the island. Which, by implication, suggests that Gilligan didn't really want the castaways to get off that island, either. Hmmm...
Good vs. Bad
by PwnedByStallone
Apr 11th, 2007
02:44:47 PM
I think the argument is kind of pointless. Obviously all the characters fall into some kind of gray area, which is how people actually are in real life unless your in Bushworld, so arguing who's good and who's bad and that Smokey is deciding this is kind of ridiculous and childish. I believe the smoke monster is nothing more than an emotionless machine that has either malfunctioned or is being controlled by some yet unknown person for some unknown purpose. It's actions have been randomn since day one.
And you're entitled to your belief, Pwned...
by Childe Roland
Apr 11th, 2007
02:51:24 PM
...(which I shared until recently, but Smokey's behavior really doesn't support that interpretation...especially post Eko), but your assertions that theories which differ from your own (and happen to be based on evidence the show is providing) are somehow foolish or childish really just reveals you as the sort of pompous asshole the rest of us would feed to the smoke monster at first opportunity (after torturing you a bit with no specific questions for you to answer). So how about stuffing your groundless smugness down your hatch and pressing the button to keep it from getting out again?
This season Has finally picked up
by Phategod2
Apr 11th, 2007
03:03:47 PM
And hopefully it can continue the trip back over the shark.
Oh yeah
by Phategod2
Apr 11th, 2007
03:04:47 PM
I think Sayiid is the mole.
Maybe
by areynol2
Apr 11th, 2007
03:04:49 PM
Jack and Ben are the same person and both "jack centric" and "ben centric" are right.
Childe Roland
by PwnedByStallone
Apr 11th, 2007
03:14:40 PM
And why don't you fucking take a pill? I think you read a lot more into my post than was intended. Must be a Republican to get that kind of violent, knee jerk reaction. Go write another two page long post nobody gives a fuck enough to read.
Phategod
by david19
Apr 11th, 2007
03:16:41 PM
I agree. While the first half of this season was iffy, it has picked up. I miss the more focused story of season 1 where we constantly saw every character every week. It has become a different show, and all the characters are very distant to each other right now, but i do think (or hope) that at some point they will come back to Jacks "live together or die alone". Hopefully by the end of Losts run we will all llook back on our frustration and say "OOOHHHHH!!!!! Now I see what they were doing!" Or we'll say "What a waste of a Wednesday that was."
Juliet and Sun
by Calculon
Apr 11th, 2007
03:19:18 PM
I think we all know how Sun got pregnant. I mean, do I have to post a picture? [Illogical Lesbian Implication™ brought to you by Calculon, who encourages you all to envision a Lost spinoff including Juliet, Sun, Kate, an undead Nikki, and Bai Ling]
The reason I keep watching
by Dapper Swindler
Apr 11th, 2007
03:23:21 PM
Is because when they do give you answers, after teasing and teasing for months or years - the answers are so satisfying that you can see it really was planned all along and everthing comes together and makes sense.
Calculon
by david19
Apr 11th, 2007
03:25:21 PM
What a lame attempt at humor..... and yet it brought up an interesting point, one I'm sure someone must have pointed out. What if Juliet is somehow directly or indirectly responsible for Sun's pregnancy? Has anyone pointed this out yet?
Nobody knows
by Leopold Scotch
Apr 11th, 2007
03:32:10 PM
If all this monster judgement crap is as straightforward as everyone here is saying, I'll be disappointed. The fact is that it's just speculation.

For all we know, the monster is like the Wizard of Oz, and it assumes different appearances depending on who it confronts. As such, all this boring "sin" bullshit might be just that, because you're all basing your judgement theories on Eko's experience with the monster, and we all know that Eko himself (being a religious man) was largely concerned with sin. Who's to say that it's the same with eveyone?

And Ben and Mikhail's comments about Locke being "good": I don't think it's as simple as morality. All those theories about Karma etc are carelessly stretched out and they ignore about a hundred inconsistencies. I for one am confident that the monster's actions will be explained better than "Eko had it coming from a moral standpoint, John didn't, and neither did Jack, Claire, Jin, Hurley (blah blah blah) because they are all pure and innocent." Cos that's just lame.
I agree Dapper, my imagination is always on overload!!!
by NoPIX
Apr 11th, 2007
03:32:45 PM
I LOVE THIS SHOW!!!
Things to consider RE: Smokey
by slone13
Apr 11th, 2007
03:34:39 PM

1) As jimbojones mentioned, the pilot didn't seem to be "judged" by Smokey at all when he was killed. Plus, he seemed like a rather nice fellow in the Claire flashback.

2) People seem to be forgetting that Smokey attacked Locke. He tried to drag him into the ground and only let go when Jack threw dynamite down the hole.

3) Rousseau doesn't seem to fear Smokey. But I don't think it's because Smokey has scanned her and found her to be "good", thereby allowing her to live.

I'm enjoying the amount of Jack love in this thread.
by Cameron1
Apr 11th, 2007
03:35:07 PM
Everyone I know thinks he's a douche but I keep telling them he's the best of the lot, committed, honourable, proactive and damn smart. I agree that Juliet is definitely playing him and that's a shame but hopefully he'll pull it back in the finale.
Leopold Scotch - I completely agree
by Dapper Swindler
Apr 11th, 2007
03:37:05 PM
Their definitions of "good" and "bad" aren't the same as ours.
Rousseau's comement was that it is a security system
by Dapper Swindler
Apr 11th, 2007
03:39:26 PM
It isn't judging people by morality, but rather who is meant to be on the island - which has something to do with personalities but not necessarily morality as you guys are suggesting.
Dapper
by david19
Apr 11th, 2007
03:46:03 PM
I totally agree. They obviously know where they are going with this. My feeling (and I could be wrong) is that they have new writers on staff. It just seems silly that they keep putting the characters in prime positions to get answers then not giving up anything. I don't mind drawing things out, but lazy story-telling makes me nervous. It pisses people off and Im worried it will piss of the actors and then we will get abrupt departures leaving certain character stories hanging. It was tough enough having Eko leave unexpectedly, I would hate to see one of the other major characters leave. Already we have had a number of characters depart rather prematurely. Some of them I could do without (I CANT STAND Michelle Rodriguez), some of them had sad but poignant departures (ie Boone), and some were abrupt and unnecessary (mainly Shannon in my mind, a character who had so much room to grow and was never given a chance, and who's death seems to have, at least so far, neutered Sayid's character).
Mene Mene Tekel Upharsin
by Fount of Useless Info
Apr 11th, 2007
03:48:50 PM
Judging the main 815 passengers.

Someone brought this idea up earlier, and I thought it would be good to try to capture it.

Locke: Did he kill the cop at the weed farm? Apparently not. He's been judged as good.

Jack: Betrayed his father. (Could consider this the right thing to do, but the idea of what is good/evil seems a bit murky) Also neglected his wife that he had married only because he felt the need to fix her.

Sayid: Tortured people.

Eko: Drug lord.

Sawyer: Con man. Murderer.

Jin: Perhaps not murderer, but awfully close to it.

Sun: Betrayed husband. Possibly carrying another guy's kid.

Charlie: Drug addict who blames his brother for his addiction and resents his brother's new clean life.

Hurley: Gluttony? Greed? I'm not so sure on this one.

Kate: Sociopath in hottie's clothing.

Rose/Bernard: ? Unless the island judge has an issue with interracial marriage, I've got nothing.

Ana Lucia: Revenge killer and liar who betrayed her responsibilities as a police officer.

Libby: We never got to know enough.

Michael: I really can't remember. Was there anything? Maybe that's why he got to leave. He had to come to the island to learn to be evil.

Boone: Lust for sister.

Shannon: Self-centered, manipulative and a con artist.

Pikki: Thieves and murderers.

Claire: Maybe smokey or whoever judges on craphole island doesn't like unwed mothers. Alternatively, maybe she's good and that's why she's alive and still has Aaron. I'm not sure on this one either.

Did I forget any main people?

You call that violent and knee-jerk, Pwned?
by Childe Roland
Apr 11th, 2007
03:57:47 PM
You're more sensitive than I'd have imagined, especially given the complete lack of braoder understanding you've demonstrated concerning perceptions that differ from your own in this and virtually every other Lost talkback I've seen you post in.

You imagine yourself quite the Internet authority on the topic of this show and you attack anyone who disagrees with your interpretations.

Bully for you, tough guy.

But you also presume way too much.

I have no idea how you got to politics from my telling you you were coming off like an asshole, but you would need to actually leave the planet to be further off base in your presumption about my politics. WHat that says about your presumptions concerning the show, I'll let the rest of the talkback sort out for themselves.

In the meantime, do keep blustering about not reading posts you then respond to, though. It's almost as amusing as your pretending to have the first idea what you're typing about.

Good and Bad and Inbetween.
by Cameron1
Apr 11th, 2007
03:59:17 PM
See, I think the way the deaths have gone down is as follows - Boone was Locke's fault, not the island's. We don't know anything about Steve (or scott), the guy that Ethan killed so for all we know he could have been a kiddy fiddling cannibal. Charlie was a definite bastard in his old life, Ethan killing him can be argued as moral (plus I think that the island gave him a second chance after the hanging and he fucked it all up with hurting Sun and now he's living on borrowed time like Desmond says. Arzt's death was hiw own fault not the islands, Shannon was again not the islands doing.The guy Goodwin killed could also have a been a psycho-necrophiliac-killer. The others pushed Michael to kill Ana the murderer and Libby was an accident, all the kids they took are definitely in a safe place in my opinion. So it's very very possible to make a case for the others and the island to be saving and protecting the good or innocent people.
More
by Leopold Scotch
Apr 11th, 2007
04:10:21 PM
I don't think deaths on the island (or deaths by the monster) can be attributed to justice and morality. Rather, I'd say it's more to do with the determination aspect. It's about fate, not justice. Who cares if someone was a heroin addict, or someone else had a kid but wasn't married? I mean I'm glad found of useless info went to all the effort of making that big list, but only because it shows how much that particular theory has to be stretched to make it valid.

Speculation is the best part of theses talkbacks, so don't be offended if all the morality stuff is something you adhere to, but I just hope there's more to it than "he/she deserved to die from a moral standpoint".
fount
by Leopold Scotch
Apr 11th, 2007
04:11:59 PM
Sorry. I'm typing in the dark.
Agreed on Smokey...
by biggles2_22
Apr 11th, 2007
04:15:02 PM
...the more I watch the more I think it's just a security system that determines a safety factor of the people that it encounters. That "safety factor" is whether or not they are in control of their thoughts and emotions. If you're still a hatchet weilding psycho, guess what? Smokey will bounce you like a new Spaulding.
Leopold
by Cameron1
Apr 11th, 2007
04:16:03 PM
I think that aspect of determination is something very important in fact I hope there is a least some pseudo mathematical/scientific reasoning for how they all ended up on the plane etc etc but I do think that there is also an aspect of morality at play there, especially with the Others setting themselves up as good guys and with how the characters lives on the island correspond to their morraly attribuatable action off the island. But yeh I agree that hopefully it's going to be much more than a "learn to be good or die!!!" type of thing. And hell knowing this show I'm probably all types of wrong about all of this.
Juliet's "Non-Smirk"
by ToughGuyRizzo
Apr 11th, 2007
04:17:50 PM
I just want to fuckin slap that shit right off her face when she does that. Let's see, I agree that Sayid should just be like, "spill you guts." However, Pussy-whipped jack won't allow that to happen, because well, he didn't allow it to happen to Ben....(but later admitted it should have continued) Claire's sickness/baby story will hopefully fit with Juilet being on the beach now. If I were Sawyer, I'd never allow her to stay one night on the beach. The chick's still lying, and even tho she turned on Jack dring the surgery, Jack's still cool with her. Fuck spiting Kate, he's bringing and OTHER to the beach to live. FUCK THAT NOISE. I'm with Sayid.
As for deciding who should be on the island
by Leopold Scotch
Apr 11th, 2007
04:23:06 PM
I think that people on the island are meant to have some kind of profound responsibility if they're to live there. It relates to my "throne of the gods" theory, which is just as speculative as the theories I've targetted above. Maybe the monster judges whether or not they're worthy to stay on the island (but I still think this goes further than whether or not they're sinners in the conventional sense).
Cameron
by david19
Apr 11th, 2007
04:26:43 PM
Hmm I dont really know where I stand on all this good\bad stuff, but Im not sure i agree with all your conclusions. I don't think it would be definate to say Boone was Lockes fault, after all Locke didnt push the plane over. Charlie is iffy - no commment. Arzt was an accident, but like Boone you could say the island was responsible (although again that is uncertain). In the end I dont think it is valid anymore due to what we now know about the Others and Dharma to assume what we did before about the nature of the Island. My guess is that it is not an issue of morality, at least not completely, like we considered back when theories of the island being purgatory were popular. I'm not discounting the purgatory ideas completely, but based on what we know I think the answers in the end will be more scientific then mystical (which may turn out to be dissapointing, like learning that the magic trick you found so mind-blowing had a simple unimpressive explanation). Whatever the case may be, the fact remains that it is still too early to say for sure about anything. Now if we could just get solid some answers...
emeraldboy - Locke's story is not at the end...
by Russman
Apr 11th, 2007
04:30:41 PM
EPs noted in an interview that Locke 's journey (because of his connection of the island) is sort of the main focus or heart of the entire overall story.
Smokey
by leesheri
Apr 11th, 2007
04:31:19 PM
If smokey is just a security system that kills those that aren't stable... why didn't it kill Ethen or Nathan. Both men killed people.
Why isn't it killing people before they kill?
I am still convinced it is finding people worthy or not. Whether that is by a set of programed rules or what it sees in their head I don't know.
Let's just say it is a security system...
by Dapper Swindler
Apr 11th, 2007
04:38:33 PM
And that Juliet is lying and the Others have control over it. Remember how it went right up to Juliet and Kate, it made flashing lights at Juliet. Probably "scanning her mind" the same way it did Eko (and presumably Locke during his "beautiful light" experience). By scanning her, smokie realized she was an Other, and then promptly retreated. By the next day, Smokie learned that Juliet is no longer with the Others and therefore is trespassing on the island. This all fits in with what Rousseau originally said about Smokie being a security system that protects the island.

I'm not saying I even agree with my own theory here, but the pieces do seem to fit together.

Don't misunderstand the Se7en Deadly Sins...
by Childe Roland
Apr 11th, 2007
04:39:19 PM
...theory I was kicking around as some reflection of whether or not I think the characters deserve to be judged for perceived sins. That just seems to be what Smokey and the Island are doing to these Losties (at least the ones that don't die by accident or kill each other): Making them confront things in their past that fit a predefined criteria for "good" or "bad" and, if the latter, offering an opportunity to repent.

I sincerely hope that there's more to the Island than that (which is why I'm still entertaining the notion that it's some bizarre purgatory experiment concocted by someone with a rather frighteningly hard-line view of morality), but the more we see of Smokey's interactions with the Losties, the more I buy into the argument that it's somehow become sentient and is judging people based on what it sees (and, actually, a computer trying to wrestle with complex issues of morality would kind of explain the seemingly black-and-white/simplistic approach it's taking to the determination of who gets punished and who gets rewarded).

As always, just thoughts based on what we've seen so far.

The smoke monster
by emeraldboy
Apr 11th, 2007
04:44:09 PM
When Juliet and Kate were in that tree, hiding, smokey passed Juliet by, temporarily, stopping and it appeared to look her in the eye. So I think The Smoke monster is some kind of Scanning device, juliet said that they had cameras all over the island. The same thing happened to Locke in season one. When He was asked about it in season one he said that he saw into the soul of the Island and what he saw was beautiful. I am just getting a little suspicous of John Locke. Why did he leave kate on her own and then go with her when kate, sayid and jack and juliet were going into the forrest. his behaviour is odd, really odd. almost as if he is an other himself or something. Kate gave up all the info after being tortured one presumes. One presumes there is a connection between locke and Ben Linus, otherwise why bring lockes dad to the Island.
smoky the alien
by Steve_Dooku
Apr 11th, 2007
04:44:51 PM
that is afraid of water? Why doesn't it just go to the beach and whack everybody it deems "dangerous"?

The closest it ever got was the tree line.
Ditto, Childe.
by Cameron1
Apr 11th, 2007
04:45:44 PM
The Others talk about who's good and who's bad, that's evidence enough to say there is an element of morality to it all. Not that that is the only thing or even main thing, but I have to say it's something you can't really ignore, morality and mortality being so closely correlated on the island.
What Russman and Leesheri just said
by Leopold Scotch
Apr 11th, 2007
04:50:34 PM
Could support my overall grand theory of the show (which, although flawed, is going on what we know so far off the top of my head). I'll post my theory in a few minutes, but skip it if you don't like long posts.
See,
by emeraldboy
Apr 11th, 2007
04:56:02 PM
The writers are slowly but surely resolving this series to the point where next will be the last. Or season 5. Because the writers will have to explain the whole antartica thing(season 2 finale": mrs. widmore: we have found it..."
Leopold Scotch - I've read your theory before
by Dapper Swindler
Apr 11th, 2007
05:01:17 PM
It is basically the same as mine (and therefore correct!) and NetProphecy, and a few other people. But I'm interested in how you will fit Smoke Monster into it because I can't make heads or tails of that thing.
Long posts aren't a problem, Leopold...
by Childe Roland
Apr 11th, 2007
05:01:55 PM
...at least for those of us with an open mind and an attention span longer than a gnat's pecker.

;)

Smoky bullshit
by ToughGuyRizzo
Apr 11th, 2007
05:25:12 PM
Although it's been mentioned, yeah, smoky can lift Eko up 20-some feet in the air to crush him against trees, but shits it pants at a sonic barrier, chasing island "hostiles?" It was chasing for a reason? So, it just gave up. Hosed. So many scattered deals with this thing makes me upset at myself for specualting further. When it is explained sometime, I think I might be intrested, but I just don't find the smoke monster an appealing storyline anymore. But sadly, I'll keep watching.
Juliet the baby doctor *spoliers*
by buffywrestling
Apr 11th, 2007
05:45:13 PM
I just thought of something and this is just speculation on my part. If Juliet is part of the plan in manipulating Claire to get at her baby, what will happen when she finds out Sun is pregnant? Will the Others try to kidnap her too? And dare I say, that perhaps Charlie will spill the beans again but this time to Jin? Sawyer could be in serious trouble if everyone starts believing Sawyer participated in Sun's abduction(s) - mole for the Others - and Jin starts gunning for him - it's a hitman pun!
My (mess of a) theory
by Leopold Scotch
Apr 11th, 2007
05:48:45 PM
I’ve posted this a couple of times before, but a few new things occurred to me. It probably won’t be news to lots of fans who’ve already entertained the thought and I’m aware that the whole post is a structural mess.

But still...

What if the island isn’t purgatory, but a site from which the world/universe is ordered? The Dharma initiative didn’t create all the supernatural occurrences, but they found the island and knew from the numbers (the Valenzetti equation, which is connected to the island) that unless they did something, the world would end. Very few people so far have asked what the fuck all this end of the world/numbers stuff has to do with the island, and I would suggest, based on what we know so far, that people on the island control and even determine events in the outside world. And I mean ALL the outside world. That’s why everyone seems to be connected, that’s why everything seems predetermined (see Des and his plight, plus Hugo and his curse etc). It’s like a boardroom for the gods.

It also explains how Juliet’s ex gets hit by a bus, why Jack fell out of the sky (among many other things I’m sure you can come up with yourself). But try as these people might, the world is still going to end, because despite their power to change events, the numbers still prevail. The Dharma initiative’s futile attempts to change the numbers connected to the island (and therefore avoid the end of the world) has resorted in the island (or its inhabitants) to attract more people who might be able to do something about it.

It also helps explain the appearance of people and things on and off the island. The island’s inhabitants have the power to control what’s going to happen all over the world. We see that Hurley is able to “break” his curse simply by wanting to, because now he’s on the island, he’s granted that power over the universe (incidentally, it was only through the numbers that he got exactly what he wanted when he wasn’t even on the island - he won the lotto).

Ben suggested it was fate that Jack fell out of the sky when he needed a spinal surgeon (not just a spinal surgeon but perhaps the best one on the planet), and yet he later claims that Locke ran out of the trees and blew up the sub because Ben himself WANTED it. So which is it, fate or desire? I’d say it was Ben’s desires which shaped, or "determined" the events.

It follows that it wasn’t just Des who crashed the plane: maybe it was Ben’s need for a spinal surgeon which caused the island to make a tear in Kelvin’s protective suit, which caused Des to leave the hatch, which caused the incident, which caused the plane with the surgeon on it to crash. Of course, there were other people on the plane who were just as important to the island as Jack, but we don’t know how all the complexities work.

But we have to ask ourselves, if some of the islands inhabitants (the gods occupying the throne, as it were) are determining world events, are they exempt from determination themselves? The fact that Ben got a tumour would suggest that they’re just vehicles for things to play out as well.

As or John, maybe his hitherto unmatched affinity with the island means that he was the most important man on the plane. Maybe he has been convinced that he’s going to be some kind of god, the first person (for however long) to get the island (and the world) to do exactly what he wants (once he understands everything) at any time through the complex webs of pre-determined relationships and events that we’ve seen in almost every flashback so far.

As for the monster, all I can think of at the moment is that it is (as others have said) trying to evaluate whether or not people are worthy of the responsibility of occupying the throne (or whether or not they have the kind of affinity/power that Locke and Ben have – and there are many characters who apparently don’t). Maybe the monster is concerned with moral judgement, maybe it’s something more.

Something else just occurred to me: if this theory holds any water, then it would follow that the island obviously can’t be overpopulated due to a conflict of interests between many inhabitants resulting in some kind of disaster (not everyone can get what they want if there’s a conflict of interests – maybe overpopulation on the island is how the world is meant to be destroyed). The best solution is to make sexual reproduction impossible on the island, so that the only way to replace these world controllers is to draw in worthy replacements from the outside world. But whatever force organises the world can’t just kill off everyone who doesn’t matter or isn’t worthy (or perhaps doesn’t have that power on the island), because this force knows that some of these people will be able to influence the actions, values and opinions of those who do matter/who do have the power.
Kate's (or what should be) conversation to Sayid....
by ToughGuyRizzo
Apr 11th, 2007
05:50:11 PM
On the way back to the beach: Kate: You're right about not wanting her to come along. She lied about being gassed and left behind. She and I were cuffed together. We were chased by the monster. At first, Juliet said she didn't know what it was. When we were chased again, we came to the sonic fence. Juliet uncuffed me, with a key she was holding and said she knew the monster did not like the fence and that we would be safe. If we've learned anythign from Ben, oh, I forgot, he's called Ben, the man from the hatch who we thought was named Henry Gale. We still can never trust ANY of The Others. After everything, it all boils down to them consistantly lying to us and only helping themselves. Sayid: Fuck yes. I so want to stab that bitch.
Why doesn't Smoky just REACH OVER the barrier?
by Triumph poops!
Apr 11th, 2007
05:52:56 PM
Last week, what I didn't understand is why it just rammed itself into the sonic wall, and then backed away like an animal that just couldn't figure it out. But clearly there's dead space or a "gap" OVER the sonic wall, or at least directly over the columns that generate it, since we saw Kate climb over such a spot (using the fallen tree) while the barrier was still on. And as someone noted, we've seen how much Smokey's tendrils can curl about and extend and whatnot...
So Paulo and Nikki are really dead!?
by Blarney-Man
Apr 11th, 2007
06:14:42 PM
Well then I have fucking had it with this show. If they introduce characters only to kill them off when we give a shit I am seriously fucking sick of this crap.
Smokey,the sonic barrier, Goddard
by fatsackowind
Apr 11th, 2007
06:14:43 PM
I just figured Smokey making contact with the barrier did something to freak it out, not that it couldn't get over the wall, but touching the sonic-y repellant, well, repelled it. and, yes, daniel kurland, i'm so thankful to have Drew working for LOST. not to mention Brian K. Vaughan, who i'm keeping a close eye on the credits for. i saw a credit for this episode for him as co-writer, but maybe that changed in the final hour?
Leopold
by Fount of Useless Info
Apr 11th, 2007
06:17:18 PM
I was applying the good/bad thing to deaths because it had been mentioned, but I think the idea still applies since the Others talk about "good people" and "we're the good guys" and how people aren't worthy. They know about the 815 folks and they have judged them...but on what scale and for what purpose?
leopold scotch
by emeraldboy
Apr 11th, 2007
07:19:46 PM
AS i was was watching the DVD, one of the producers Did mention during the episode 23rd psalm, illumanati. These are a secretive group of people whom it is alleged runs the world.
finally
by CornsilkSW
Apr 11th, 2007
07:28:34 PM
Getting back into the swing of things. Heroes was eating Lost's lunch for a while, but it's coming back to speed.
climactic play:
by areynol2
Apr 11th, 2007
07:47:33 PM
Pass to Smash, block by Riggins. Calling it now
too many talkbacks
by areynol2
Apr 11th, 2007
07:48:10 PM
I definitely thought I was on the Friday Night Lights talkback...my bad.
Juliet, Manipulator/Liar
by HaveCameraWillTravel
Apr 11th, 2007
07:50:03 PM
Juliet gets the same face, only a female version, that Ben does when he is flat out laying and manipulating people. That reptilian, "you are so stupid so I am playing you" look. Sayid had it right when he said he didn't want to take her back to the beach. Jack is a crap leader to buy her bs. The bitch is lying...I am sure we will find out a lot more of what those Others are up to tonight and I pray they don't try to make us all sympathic to her because the bitch is wacked!
"Fuck yes. I so want to stab that bitch."
by trafficguy2000
Apr 11th, 2007
07:55:24 PM
You win the thread! Awesome, you also owe me a key
*sigh*
by trafficguy2000
Apr 11th, 2007
07:56:10 PM
board.
Tonight's episode doesn't change everything (NO SPOILER
by DanielKurland
Apr 11th, 2007
08:08:26 PM
It's a pretty good episode with a good ending, but I didn't think it was as amazing as Herc did. A lot of dots, even as far back as season one are connected, and it shows how regimented and planned out this show can be when it wants to. My favorite moment however was this very non-moment happening in the beginning between Sawyer and Jack that is purely due to the characterization and development they've gone through for 3 seasons.
Oh yes, and the redux of Downtown is great...
by DanielKurland
Apr 11th, 2007
08:09:55 PM
I enjoyed it a lot.
Lost .The definitive ending
by john j rambo
Apr 11th, 2007
08:12:04 PM
And as numerous seasons and a myriad of plot threads all allign and congregate ,we discover THE season finale.The show opens on a tight shot of 'Jack'in the same posistion as we meet him in the 'pilot'.Confused and in pain he rises.As he does so it becomes clear that the floral fauna around him we assumed to be 'jungle'was merely a backdrop.Further as the camsra pans as he sits up we realise he is in a hospital bed.Jack groggily takes the room in.He notices a drip etc..Then the door facing his bed opens. A nurse enters"Doctor Ford!...HE's awake" Jack looks positively what the fucked?Suddenly an orderly bursts into the room."Whoa Dude !" "Call the Doc!""Hes on his way"Replies the nurse(High quality screenwriting by the way ,lucas would be proud!)The camera follows the sound of footsteps as they reach the hospital room door.. until finally the doctor walks in"What is it now freckles? Whats so goddamn important about Rip Van Winkle?"....."oh?" The camera lingers on Jacks face as he does his best im puzzled face (with a hint of anger)"Dude YOU survived a plane crash , thats like better odds than winning the lottery"Remarks the orderly while eating a Twinkie. The Nurse chips in "God Jack, we never thought you'd marshall the strength?"(Tenuous i know, im getting bored)"Jack..".Explains the Doctor."..YOU survived a plane crash.And have been in a coma for however many seasons the network decided to drag it out." Jack is now seriosly miffed and has gone red.A small tear is noticeable."So what about the other passengers of flight 815.. which it has to be said ., you kinda loook like a couple" Pause. Another pause. Go on then one more. "Dude?" "Jack?" "Fuck it".. (sorry thats me, spilt beer.) "No Jack..YOU survived a plane crash , your the only survivor of flight 815..! "Dude" Jack swallowed heavy , "Come to think of it what was that ".He thought "Nevermind". Now Jack was in serious acting mode.His lip Quivered , his muscles tightened and his veins went all sorta puffy."So all this was a dream .An hallucination or something .What about the 'others' the 'smokemonster' TM and all that other shenanigans?" "Unfortunately sloth boy their all manisfestations of your subconcious , and as such dont need any explanation".States the doctor."Oh Jack?"..Whimsys the nurse."Dude"Comments the orderly unnecessarly, while eating a rack of lamb.The camera once more focus's on Jack .His mind a whirl,head spinning . thoughts and voices of events flash through his mind.He sits up ,notices the television in the corner of his room.The theme tune to Gilligans island plays out as we fix on Jacks distraught face .Tears are shed. He looks to his left and apon his bedside table is a snowglobe."Your Mother said that was your favourite toy as a child ..Dude" Jack suddenly seems peaceful .He gingerly clambers from bed ,removes his red ruby slippers and ..."Thank you ,(cough)you saved me i truly am lucky!"....turns to the window and dives head first out crashing to the floor 10 storeys below. "Oh Jack."Winced the nurse. "Jello..go clean up RKelly!" Remarked the doctor sympathetically."Dude" Retorted the orderly whilst clubbing a seal. Pause . Fade out. BEAT. Night.Camera fades in at the Losties beachfront.They are all happy ,sharing food and drinking.Kate ,Sawyer and Hurley all sit together content but with one eye elsewhere, as if concerned .suddenly there is movement in the bushes.they all stand erect (kate not so noticeable).Then Jack appears camera tight on his face.Puffy veins replaced by joy, but still a tear.The group all embrace .The rest of the losties notice the reunion ,and at once there is a sense of communion.Fire bristles, Ewoks dance, and David Bowie plays over the end credits.THE END.
Did anyone else see...
by tomthumbstallywhacker
Apr 11th, 2007
08:14:11 PM
When the whole Lost Dharma internet clues thing was happening, there was a document that talked about experiments in dimensional physics, or something, saying that an island could be made to exist in another dimension? The document stated that anyone standing on the island (should it disappear) would experience a "whooshing" sensation and then just plop into the sea along with anything else foreign to the island. Can't find it now, but it would be an interesting route to take. Although unless shit starts happening really quickly, I think the "secret" will be a lot more pedestrian/ predictable. By the way, I'm a lover, not a hater!
Ohhh Jericho Spoiler.