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David Goyer May Not Be Doing THE FLASH... But Is He Making A Green Arrow Movie?!

why by Shakes	Apr 8th, 2007 10:25:02 PM
Why make it Green Arrow then and just base it on an original character. Not like GA has that big of a following.
Good by WolfmanNards	Apr 8th, 2007 10:26:34 PM
A green arrow movie will rock. As long as they keep it in the dark vein of the Denny Oneill comics.
... by adambalm	Apr 8th, 2007 10:27:44 PM
sure would make an interesting WB series.
RIP Johnny Hart by Little Beavis	Apr 8th, 2007 10:33:26 PM
B.C. owned all your asses
This sounds cool to me. by Zakari Paolon	Apr 8th, 2007 10:37:19 PM
Sounds like something that would never happen, though. I don't trust studios to understand the coolness of the idea, and the insane potential it carries.
this movie will never get made by acebandage	Apr 8th, 2007 10:38:45 PM
it would be awesome, but it would never be made. GA deserves a full movie on his own first. This would be a fantastic direct to DVD movie in the vein of the animated JLU. That has a possibility, but the powers that be would never go for a risky movie of this ilk. We would have to see GA become GA and then establish himself as the hero he is before they could deconstruct him and put him in such an odd and perilous situation. It's like starting a Star Trek series on the Mirror Universe episode. We haven't gotten to know the characters in order to play with their dark sides...although, that would probably be a really kick ass way to start a new Star Trek series and show us who the characters are and who they aren't, but that would never happen. Still, I hope this movie does get made and they prove my predictions about the Hollywood system wrong.
Why I Like This Idea... by TheRealMoriarty	Apr 8th, 2007 10:46:15 PM
I am so sick to fucking death of origin stories. I am so sick to fucking death of the basic shape of every superhero movie. "Here's the hero. Here's the one bad guy you recognize. Now they fight. Oh, look! A love interest! Big finish, setup for the sequel, the end." Here, at least, is a story. An idea that's different. And dropping the Green Arrow into this sounds like a blast. I encourage this sort of thinking in regards to these characters instead of just more of the same ol' same ol'.
...never cared for GA... by mr ahole ramirez	Apr 8th, 2007 10:52:20 PM
...until I seen him in JL Unlimited or whatever its called...and boy, was I impressed wit the character...hope he gets a movie before AntMan, Metallic Men (or whatever its called), or even a Magneto movie...
why I don't like this idea by victormoreno	Apr 8th, 2007 10:58:35 PM
Moriarty, this idea is the reason that most film franchises with cool ideas fail. You have to care about the character in the pen to give a shit about him wanting to break out -- else its a mindless action movie, ala Con Air where you find out the super powered operative backstory from random John Cusack guy with an FBI or Star Labs printout. Its not as if every character's origin is the same, or it might be different if there was a character whose bckstory wasn't interesting. Green Arrow is a very interesting chracter with his backstory with the Black Canary nd all. The problem with him is his origin is tied into a lot of other characters. Mainly the reason this idea fails is the reason Blade 3 failed. Goyer is a hack, plain and simple. He's lucked out in that a lot of the films hes been involved with have had MUCH stronger talent involved that shped his projects into much better pieces than they should have been. Norrington on Blade 1, Del Toro on Blade 2 and the massive array of world clss talent on Batman Begins. When left to his own devices, the man can't write. Don't believe me? Watch The Crow part 2 and then watch how he recycles a huge scene in that film's script as the finale of Blade 2. To this day, it makes me wonder if he he just copy and pasted it in his Word file and changed CROW to BLADE with auto replace. However, in closing, let me say, this idea is not new or even novel. It's Prison Break with superpowers or the episode of The Venture Brothers with The Monarch in jail. If Gorilla Grodd shows up as a homosexual lackey of the Legion of Doom and makes out with Ollie before helping him escape I'm calling it, I'm calling it first
Goyer sucks by criticalbliss	Apr 8th, 2007 10:58:59 PM
At least the Flash is safe. Can't he do Underdog or something? I wouldn't care if he ruined that franchise. He has yet to write a decent script. Why should he start now? Let's hope Nolan is there to bail him out of GA.
This would be WAY better if . . . by SkidMarkedUndies	Apr 8th, 2007 10:59:09 PM
it was BATMAN and he was dropped into ARKHAM. Wait, they did that in BTAS. What a shock. Oh well. It actually sounds appealing, so why not.
that doesnt sound half bad by funnyhat	Apr 8th, 2007 11:01:58 PM
it really doesnt. oh oh! can he be black?
it's Prison Break with superpowers! by oisin5199	Apr 8th, 2007 11:03:20 PM
Damn! Victor Moreno beat me to it. Though I always thought Wentworth Miller would make a great superhero (a Cyclops type). I have to say, I don't know about this. I agree that you have to actually know something about the Green Arrow before you care about him. This sounds more like a sequel. I'm curious to see how this evolves, but I'm not holding my breath that it will get made either.
Oh my gosh, it's not an origin movie! by superninja	Apr 8th, 2007 11:04:58 PM
Anyway there was a recent Flash storyline by Geoff Johns about this which was excellent. Sounds cool.
You don't need to know anything about GA. by superninja	Apr 8th, 2007 11:07:05 PM
He's Batman as a smartass and with less talent.
The reason movies like this don't work by The Funketeer	Apr 8th, 2007 11:10:15 PM
Most people have no clue who Green Arrow is and could care less if he's dropped into a prison full of villains they've never heard of. Sure you know them and I know them but the geek vote isn't enough to make a movie successful. The reason we get so many origin stories is so the movies can be accessible to the masses. That said, this project in many ways can be considered a different version of the Green Arrow origin. I believe one of the GA origins had him stranded on a deserted island and learning how to us a bow and arrow as a means of survival. The prison could be seen as that island and GA would be learning how to fend for himself without the bow and arrow. Still, I don't think this will ever get made.
I'm with Mori. Can we please have a 5 year by superninja	Apr 8th, 2007 11:10:56 PM
moratorium on origin stories? Or maybe, "Break in emergency" sign on origin stories? Hello, the audience gets the structure already, just explain the important points of the origin in expositionary dialogue during the action sequences, or elsewhere. Most origin stories are not that memorable.
Getting dropped in a prison surrounded by people by superninja	Apr 8th, 2007 11:14:16 PM
who appear tougher than you are creates immediate tension. Add a nice wisecracking fellow (like GA) and if the script is clever, you're done! Did you need the lowdown on Snake to care about him? Noooo.... This should practically write itself. And don't give them any ideas or they'll be putting a kid in the movie.
I liked the issue of Daredevil where Bullseye kills by INWOsuxRED	Apr 8th, 2007 11:16:37 PM
Elektra. Before Bullseye breaks out of prison, he meets the Punisher in the yard. I also like that book where Batman gets stuck in Arkham. So I don't think this is a new idea, and I also don't see how you establish the character and all the villians so quickly. The weight of seeing those characters together in Arkham, in that Daredevil comic, or in "the vault" comes from knowing who everyone is and their histories together. I'm certainly sick of the origin mashed up with a classic showdown movie, but I don't see how this could work as a first movie. I don't see how I would be rooting to see this movie Green Arrow get back to what he was doing, because I don't think I will really know who this guy (specific to the films) is or what he does, even if there are 20 minutes of prelude.
Gorilla Grodd is really perfect for a first Flash by superninja	Apr 8th, 2007 11:18:09 PM
movie to keep it lighthearted.
You get to know GA as he makes it in prison. by superninja	Apr 8th, 2007 11:19:27 PM
He starts out as mysterious. That's part of the fun, getting to know the character and finding out he's a mole and is one of the good guys. It's more like Escape From NY than some of the other ideas.
Fuck origin stories by Neo Zeed	Apr 8th, 2007 11:20:02 PM
We geeks know them all anyway. I'm sure an FBI agent in the movie can tell the audience his backstory in 2 minutes (with some cool flashback scenes). I'd rather see them tell an original story with superheros. That way I can enjoy the movie instead of knowing what's coming because I've read the books.
I think this idea is actually extremely clever way by superninja	Apr 8th, 2007 11:22:23 PM
around one of their major issues. They are not really making a superhero movie since they are not in costume. These guys are so scared of the suits! My only drawback would be if they tried too hard to be cool and violent and did not really play up the humor.
Goyer may indeed suck, but that doesn't change by superninja	Apr 8th, 2007 11:25:02 PM
the fact that this is a fun idea and YAY! no origin story.
Yeah, but now they are making so many by superninja	Apr 8th, 2007 11:31:03 PM
superhero films that it's too repetitive. Besides, those are the characters from which the others are derived, so it gets repetitive. For instance, did we actually need to LITERALLY see the Fantastic Four's origin story? I don't think so.
They can have Black Canary working on the outside by superninja	Apr 8th, 2007 11:32:47 PM
to get him out by doing some detective work. I know all the guys are going to want to see her.
what green arrow? by dino_hardbody	Apr 8th, 2007 11:33:01 PM
says hes gonna be green arrow for the first 10 min? why would I want to see green arroow starring in prison break? I wanna see mother fucking green fucking arrow! with a goatee! Green Arrow in Prison Break: The Movie would be 10 minutes of Green Arrow, a shot of Ollie throwing a fork or spoon at so super-strong con (i'm thinking someone cheap, like Brick) and then one nice little scene towards the end when Ollie finds his bow and arrows and procedes to kick some ass. but alas, it was all in vain because it is now the end of the movie and we are out of time. Just go make a decent Green Arrow movie, okay? Its basically Robin-fucking-Hood in the the Big City. How hard can that be? And try not to fuck it up too bad.
Do you really think Robin Hood in the big city by superninja	Apr 8th, 2007 11:34:44 PM
is a selling point? I think it sounds kind of boring - Ollie really has no hook except for his personality, which this is a perfect vehicle for. But I agree, he needs the goatee.
I can't decide... by droog	Apr 8th, 2007 11:36:34 PM
If I should instinctively first say "This is sorta pointless" or "This will never happen". I think I'll go with pointless -- why establish that a guy is an expert archer... and then take away his bow and arrow after 10 minutes? Unless, of course, it's the sort of superprison where you get to keep all your heroic accoutrements? Why throw a number of catalog characters into the dustbin and/or make them unrecognizable when this concept could just as easily be engineered as an original property? Not like it matters, since WB has notoriously cold feet on comic movies -- they won't pull the trigger on another one until they see other non-established comic properties launch and become successful movies (financially, not creatively, obviously). You know, like Marvel seems to do several times each year.
C'mon GA will break out and will fashion a crude by superninja	Apr 8th, 2007 11:39:55 PM
bow and arrow, this is not hard, guys! He could even have one with a boxing glove. This idea is excellent, but he's got to keep the goatee. I already think I want Aaron Eckhart for this part.
That new Night Of The Hunter Harry animation is great by Osmosis Jones	Apr 8th, 2007 11:43:04 PM
Oh, and no more B-level superhero movies.
He's going to attempt a break out and team up by superninja	Apr 8th, 2007 11:43:53 PM
with some of the villains. Ollie can make a bow and arrows out of anything he's like MaGuyver.
Goatee's are outlawed in prison? by Neo Zeed	Apr 8th, 2007 11:49:11 PM
really?
Aaron Eckhart as Ollie is genius, superninja! by Thalya	Apr 8th, 2007 11:58:13 PM
Question is, which prison, as that would tend to denote the baddies? Iron Heights? Blackgate? The Slab? Belle Reve?
Is Goyer directing it? by Neo Zeed	Apr 9th, 2007 12:01:44 AM
If he could get a stylized action director like Blade 1 & 2.... I would prefer it.
Thanks, Thayla. I am curious if you think this by superninja	Apr 9th, 2007 12:03:47 AM
idea would play well. Obviously it could go all kinds of wrong but I think it's got some serious potential to showcase Ollie and just to be a lot of fun. The Slab is too high powered, Belle Reve too crazy. Blackgate is for the Bat. I'd go with Iron Heights - max security, closer to the type of villains they are looking for.
None taken. At first I really wanted him for by superninja	Apr 9th, 2007 12:11:26 AM
Cap but now A) I don't want them to make a Cap movie and B) he is 100% perfect for Ollie.
Yeah, I doubt it too, and since they just whacked by superninja	Apr 9th, 2007 12:16:40 AM
him over at Marvel, I don't want them anywhere near the character.
Hope he stays dead until the current editorial is by superninja	Apr 9th, 2007 12:25:18 AM
gone. Hopefully they will kill off Iron Man soon and put him out of his misery.
While we're at it, Naomi Watts for by superninja	Apr 9th, 2007 12:32:25 AM
Black Canary.
The Death Of Iron Man by dino_hardbody	Apr 9th, 2007 12:34:22 AM
Yes, please, that would be amazing. Public execution. Death by guillotine would do very nicelt. Have Hulk pull the rope, just for ironeys sake. Afterwards they can use Tony's helmet as a drum.
They turned Tony into a uber @$$hole and by superninja	Apr 9th, 2007 12:35:21 AM
completely gutted the character. Basically Ultimatized him.
So I take it they let him have his bow... by jimmy_009	Apr 9th, 2007 01:04:14 AM
... and a quiver of arrows in lock-up. Does this make sense to anyone? Without him shooting arrows, how is this a Green Arrow movie? This is beyond retarded.
Edit: sorry droog by jimmy_009	Apr 9th, 2007 01:06:02 AM
I just saw that you made my point earlier.
I dont know..... by Jobacca	Apr 9th, 2007 01:11:38 AM
As a Green Arrow fan,I'd like to see more of a movie ABOUT GA instead of prison break with GA in it. That being said,I REALLY hate the fact that all comic book movies are following the same formula and this one could break the mold. As long as they stay true to Ollies personality and let him keep the fucking goatee,I could see this working.
Neat idea. by Rakafraker	Apr 9th, 2007 01:35:33 AM
I'd like a new superhero movie that isn't an origin, also. I'd rather have a Green Lantern movie that was more about the Corp for at least one movie before we see Hal Jordan.
Very cool idea. by LeviDTinker	Apr 9th, 2007 01:37:18 AM
This is a really cool idea, i really like it, i love how people who are outside the studio system think they know what they are thinkng. but back to the idea, very cool to have the audiences introduced to the character then see him fall and have to get back up and fight to survive.
Gee, I Hope He Gets To Keep The Hat. by buster00	Apr 9th, 2007 01:37:50 AM
Ya can't fight crime without boxing glove arrows and a gay little hat.
Daniel Craig as Green Arrow by Demode	Apr 9th, 2007 01:40:40 AM
Aaron Eckhart would be a good choice, but since he has been cast as Two-Face in Batman, I would rather they go with someone else. My first choice for Green Arrow would be Daniel Craig. He has the right look and right attitude for the part.
GREEN ARROW FAN FILM by i eat cannibals	Apr 9th, 2007 02:49:20 AM
I freaking love Green Arrow and I think this is a cool idea. Why checking out You Tube one day I stumbled upon this Green Arrow fan film. Now alot of FF suck ass but this one I thought was really pretty good and DARK. CHECK IT OUT. ALOT BETTER THEN THE SMALLVILLE GA. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =7DY3WmURMe8
not a fan of the green arrow but . by kingoflight	Apr 9th, 2007 02:55:07 AM
This story does sound quite good in a kind of tango and cash way. At least it not the same fucking plot line as every other hero movie out or coming out. I am glad that there is this variation instead of the normal one shot villan to deal with there is more chance to humanise without the need for the soppy bollock relationship. bing on the bizzaro world prison break !
gaaahh! by Calico Pete	Apr 9th, 2007 02:55:52 AM
Idea is mediocre, but the "pitch" in the wizard article is fucking atrocious. Ok, so sure, we don't need to see any more origins, and neither does mainstream america. But that doesn't make this story any good. Let's start with the title. "Super Max" ?! Haven't there already been enough shitty prison movies w/the same name? Well if not, it doesn't matter. The title, the idea, the pitch, the C and D grade villains... it all sounds like it's been done before, and not in a good way. Why 2nd and 3rd tier villains? And why brag about that? That's like telling me to watch a boxing match between a champion and a bunch of tomatoes. Who the fuck cares? As for the "they'll have powers and shit and it'll be really cool" vibe from the rest of the pitch... sounds like Con Air + lame powers. A cheap gimmick. If you had a good-guy-trapped-in-prison-try ing-to-break-out movie that was taut with suspense, had some cool action, and original characters, then why even add the superhero/powers angle? Sounds like a gimmick. Want a non-origin, non-sequel Green Arrow flick? Opening scene: Oliver Queen in bed w/Dinah Lance. They're just finishing some makeup sex. Lance is a bit too vocal and breaks a few windows. She gets up, puts on her Black Canary duds. Ollie asks her to stay. As she climbs out onto the fire escape, she tells him to come out with her and keep up. He makes a scene of getting up, pulls on his mask and tunic... peeks out the window, but the Canary's already gone. He mutters, fires an arrow into the skyline and zips off after her. Opening credits. You see, at this point, the non-comic reader in the audience is going "WTF? This is cool! Are they off to a sex party?" ...and they're hooked. Now if you want to work the prison aspect in, send Black Canary to prison. She's superpowered, and unfortunately, the only prison for super-powered nutjobs is full of men. They stick her in a ward of her own, maybe w/a handful of powered super villainesses. The shit hits the fan when the male super villains riot, and are making their way to the women's ward because they hear there's an ex-hero there. Imagine Green Arrow's stress levels on the outside, fighting to get to Canary before... aw fuckit. I just realized I'm describing Banlieu 13. See? This has been too many fucking times. Still, start with GA and BC in bed, skip the origin, and let's see a movie about adults who, to all others' eyes look like they belong in an B&D club, but who in reality are superheroes so cool they belong in an S&M club. Er, in the JL. And BTW, good guy in jail beating up bad guys was the beginning of Batman Begins. No wonder Goyer likes the idea.
Cary Elwes as Green Arrow! by acebandage	Apr 9th, 2007 02:59:43 AM
and Dina Meyer as Black Canary! And as I said before this movie will never get made so it doesn't matter what dumbass suggestions we have for casting. I really don't see what everyone has against the origin story. I think that's the most interesting part of the hero's history. It is what makes him or her who they are and why they do what they do. I loved seeing Peter Parker discover his powers. I loved seeing Batman become the embodiment of vengence and then justice that he is. A good origin story unfolding really makes one take an emotional interest in the character as they encounter the trials and tribulations that they will eventually and inevitably face. After that, go nuts!
The Flash by Calico Pete	Apr 9th, 2007 03:05:50 AM
Does anyone know what Goyer's take on the Flash was and how it conflicted with what the studio wanted? I remember very early in development there were some interviews where he talked about some interesting sounding concepts. Did his ultimate take go in a different direction than he originally discussed? Or was WB not interested in those concepts to begin with? (in which case, why'd it take them so long to boot him off the project? he discussed these ideas in interviews over a year ago)
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Josh Holloway, clear your schedule! by Wonder Man	Apr 9th, 2007 03:50:56 AM
That is, if Goyer has any casting ability, anyway. Watch him as Sawyer on LOST, and think of Ollie Queen... he'd be perfect.
Libertas... by Calico Pete	Apr 9th, 2007 03:56:24 AM
And why should we bother? Only true internet nerds would have nothing better to do with their time than to go "defend a site" on a site that nobody gives a shit about and probably needs the traffic. JimmyLoneWolf, your alias is a self-fulfilling prophecy. Now, back on topic, Green Arrow, the Flash, good-guy-in-prison cliches. Undercover good guy in prison to bust up bad guys. Good guy in prison because of a crime he didn't commit. Good guy in prison because of a crime he did commit, but for misunderstood reasons. Good guy in prison because he was set up. Good guy in prison to help save his buddy who's in prison for a crime he didn't commit. Good guy in prison to help save his buddy who's in prison 'cuz he was set up... etc. How about a change of pace... good guy in prison because he's not really a good guy. Now THERE's a movie. Other good guy gets himself set up to go into prison to save his buddy, the other good guy, only to find out that he let out a real bad guy. He's then sent to prison for real, only to draw in a bunch of other good guys hell bent on saving him. End result, a bunch of good guys stuck in prison trying to save each other. It could be called Camp GoodGuy. It's a prison full of nice people helping each other escape and failing, only to draw in more good samaritans. They end up taking over all the rackets from the bad guys who have to reform in order to get in tight with the good guys who outnumber them. Sigh. I could do this all night.
Question is, if Green Arrow's in prison........ by Doc_Strange	Apr 9th, 2007 04:19:01 AM
How the hell's he gonna get a bow and a quiver of arrows? He gonna make them from his bed post? Is he gonna somehow get a hold of another inmates shank and fashion it into an arrowhead? This idea sucks balls. Oh and who the fuck is Green Arrow anyway? I'd rather see Green Lantern done the right way onscreen.
make it about the origin of the prison. by dr.bulber	Apr 9th, 2007 04:23:17 AM
im a genious.
Casting... by LoungeLizard	Apr 9th, 2007 06:02:46 AM
David Wenham (300, LOTR) as the Green Arrow and Maria Bello as Black Canary.
I predict the birth of "Damn you, David Goy!" today. by JackPumpkinhead	Apr 9th, 2007 06:26:16 AM
Or maybe not.
Archery-based super-heroes are too corny by Mr Squirrel	Apr 9th, 2007 06:38:09 AM
How many trick arrows do GA and Hawkeye manage to fit in their quivers? They never run out. Also they use a deadly weapon for non-lethal use all the time, they might as well use a nerf-gun.
"...But Is He Making A Green Arrow Movie?!" by Abin Sur	Apr 9th, 2007 07:09:37 AM
No.
Green Arrow In Prison by Darth Busey	Apr 9th, 2007 07:18:04 AM
Green Arrow is a guy who dresses up like Robin Hood and shoots arrows at villains. We don't need an origin story for this. Having him plan an escape from a supervillain prison is a great idea, and Green Arrow is a perfect character for this...since he has no powers of his own and is basically unknown to the casual fan, so he can be a cipher for whatever characterization Goyer wants to give him. Goyer can also just keep Ryan Reynolds in the fold.
One more thing... by Darth Busey	Apr 9th, 2007 07:18:55 AM
With a name like Queen, I'm guessing GA is a bottom. Word up.
good idea by Mr_X	Apr 9th, 2007 07:28:04 AM
im up for it. it's different and exactly what we need.
When I was a kid... by DocPazuzu	Apr 9th, 2007 07:35:51 AM
...way back in the 1970s, Green Arrow was the shit. Seriously, can you name one other superhero whose secret identity was as cool as his superhero persona? Oliver Queen had killer one-liners, a cool-ass goatee, sweet turtlenecks and groovy bellbottoms. He also had DC's hottest girlfriend - again, both as a superhero and in civilian life. Yep, that's where it's at: 1970s Green Arrow.
Gotta be by ed exley	Apr 9th, 2007 07:48:28 AM
Denis Leary with a goatee, gettin loaded on contraband hootch and pills, kickin' the shit out of super villians, then claiming their conjugal rights when their wives visit
So basically you want Goyer to remake Lock Up... by Sledge Hammer	Apr 9th, 2007 07:59:29 AM
...in which you take all the core elements of Green Arrow away, you know, him being an archer, in a green robin hood inspired costume, with rampant poonhounding that messes with his relationships, his hot tempered activist streak, and generally sarcastic demeanor, and instead just have him as a wrongly convicted guy in a prison surrounded by other crims, all in jumpsuits, but just with silly names to distinguish them as being "supervillians". Yeah, no thanks. This kind of thing could work for a character like The Punisher, but for Ollie, nope, not at all, no thank you. And in Goyer's hands? Nope times infinity. I love Green Arrow, after Batman he's my fave DC hero, but this, no thanks. Give me an adaptation of Grell's The Longbow Hunters or something, anything but this. And "Super Max"...really stupid fucking name. Biggest question opening weekend "who's Super Max?"
great idea by ZO	Apr 9th, 2007 08:04:32 AM
beats doing an origin story. who cares about the green arrow? like they cant do an origin story for a sequel to this?
Media Res by DannyOcean01	Apr 9th, 2007 08:12:49 AM
Is the most exciting literary tool. Yes, it can be overused and used for base dramatic effect, but if used well it can blow your nuts off. There's a recent review of the 5th iteration of the Alexander DVD and this one starts with the war against Darius and a clearer understanding of the battle plans. It's exciting, and shows us far more about Alexander than words can. It almost makes the film good for that opening...well, meh. Anyway, I'm with Mori on this one completely. That dull origin tract is tedious and must surely be just plain ugly for a writer to deal with.
Damn you David Goyer! by BatPsycho	Apr 9th, 2007 08:24:50 AM
and last I heard Matt Damon was up for the role of Captain America.....
That sounds badass by purplemonkeydw	Apr 9th, 2007 09:00:13 AM
I'm in.
I LOVE superheroes but I dislike the superhero formula by JDanielP	Apr 9th, 2007 09:03:16 AM
"Here's the hero. Here's the one bad guy you recognize. Now they fight. Oh, look! A love interest! Big finish, setup for the sequel, the end." Yeah, Moriarty is right. With superheroes, the formula is getting tired...but if writers can push these boundaries while delivering interesting, fantastic stories...then we're all the better for it. Of all things superhero, the formula is getting the most tired. It's the specific reason why I quit watching SMALLVILLE that first season... because the formula was getting tired (and quickly). It wasn't until I read about a revamp and a new focus for the writing team, in breaking that first season's formula, ...that brought me back to the show. The continuity of the t.v. show, with the constant development of character, has given me the reason to stay with it. Now, going back to movies, ...yes, change the formula. Give writers some room. When I jumped into the Marvel Universe that first time (as a young boy), it was with the "King Size" AVENGERS ANNUAL #7 from 1977...which, to this day, is one of my favorite comic books of all time...and one that I still dream of making into a major motion picture. At that first time, when I was thrilled with those fantastic images and the story that was being told, I was seeing it in my mind's eye like a movie...and it was just so incredible. For me, it was even BETTER than STAR WARS! And I didn't have any information on how these superhero characters came to be who they were. And wasn't that how the original STAR WARS began? We were sucked into that universe and we LOVED it... and when writers and producers and studios get a real sense of this... well, things are going to change, folks. Big time. Something is going to hit BIG, you mark my words. Someday, within this decade or the next, we WILL have another STAR WARS-style event-picture like no other, superhero or not. All the right elements are going to click once more, ...all the right elements will be in place and we will be treated to something extra special, indeed. I believe such a picture could be the JUSTICE LEAGUE movie, just as I believe it could be the AVENGERS movie. And perhaps the major choice within these developing projects pertains to which specific road to take, as to character. How much of the gray area of character do you want (and are willing) to show? Some people love THE ULTIMATES and some people love the old school AVENGERS... and there does seem to be a clear distinction between them, in how the character of the superheroes are interpreted/presented. Personally, ...and I may be one of the few, ...but I do enjoy both versions. However, I believe that the superhero movie that will really break the mold, ...the superhero movie that will have staying power at theatres like no other before, will be one that is epic and won't follow the formula, ...a bit old-school with the obvious distinction of good and bad, ...kind of like my first Marvel Universe experience, with that sixty-cent AVENGERS ANNUAL #7 from 1977. And what a good year that was.
Suicide Squad by Abin Sur	Apr 9th, 2007 09:16:51 AM
If you're gonna go to the trouble of filming supervillians in prison, then make a kick-ass Suicide Squad movie with as many badass bad guys that will feasibly work. And "SuperMax" HAS to be a working title - only an idiot would name a movie after a car title pawn shop.
I agree with Moriarty by Chief Redcock	Apr 9th, 2007 09:20:58 AM
While I've grown to enjoy Batman Begins, it's VERY overrated by fanboys and in my honest opinion doesn't hold a candle to either Burton film (ok, don't agree with Mori on that point). Begins, Batman Forever, X-Men, Spiderman... they all feel the need to recycle that origin story. I think with Green Arrow, because the character isn't so iconic (just a guy who's really good at archery), people (and fanboys) will be clamoring less to know every detail about him and to see it done the right way. This way, if the movie's a hit... they can go back and expound on the background info if they need to. That's the way it should be done...
A worse idea than Con Air...never thought it possible by genro	Apr 9th, 2007 10:19:36 AM
Did anyone read Goyer's comments? No costumes. No superhero/villain names. The man is now going to give the big finger to the genre that built his house. This is easily the most fucked up attempt to capitilize on Heroes I've seen yet.
Will Morgan Freeman by Chest_Rockwell	Apr 9th, 2007 10:36:00 AM
be his friend in prison? You know, to dole out nuggets of folksy, inmate wisdom? You know, like, "Get busy shootin' arrows, or get busy dying." Maybe him and Freeman can finagle a way to get some work time up on the roof, and Ollie can show them how cool he is by shooting empty beer cans off other inmate's heads with a paper clip and a rubber band.
Origin story is not necessary by Dopenose19	Apr 9th, 2007 11:29:16 AM
for a good superhero movie. Look at the Incredibles. You didn't need to know how or why the heroes had their powers, because people have seen enough SH movies to assume that when a guy (or girl) is leaping across rooftops in the opening minutes they're probably a superhero. Having said that, it makes no sense to make this movie about GA because fans of him will want to see more of Ollie as GA and people that don't know much about GA will not understand any part of the story that actually deals with his backstory.
don't like it by Charlie Murphy	Apr 9th, 2007 11:47:52 AM
green arrow for ten minutes? and you know the villains are either going to be goyer originals or shitty throwaways. not sold. not sold by a long shot
Great Movies with no origins by bartendersam	Apr 9th, 2007 11:50:17 AM
Escape from New York and Raiders of the Lost Ark prove no origin is needed and seriously, I'm sick to death of them myself, just throw us in there and the origin can be a 5 minute flashback 1/2 through the movie if you MUST have one.
that fan video was NOT better than Smallville by oisin5199	Apr 9th, 2007 11:54:49 AM
sorry, I've never been a huge Green Arrow fan, but I like how Green Arrow's done on Smallville, especially the clever arrow stuff. In that fan video, he's just killing bad guys. Kinda boring. Plus, the Smallville thing is when he's young, so it doesn't have to be that dark. And Xiphos, I totally hear you. We have the super villain T-Bag who has an uncanny ability to overcome anyone, even with one hand! And of course Michael has mastermind powers that can allow him to figure his way out of any situation, aided by his superpower tattoos! Yeah, this Goyer idea is dumb. If you're going to put a de-costumed superhero in a prison situation, it should really be someone who can actually use their powers in prison. Fuck this and make the Luke Cage movie. You know you want it.
That movie would kick ass by liljuniorbrown	Apr 9th, 2007 12:02:43 PM
I'm sorry haters, it just would. They would have to keep the villans names though, a villan with no villan name would be dumb as hell, we're supposed to have to study before this shit to know who we are seeing on the big screen? Have him in there with Solomon Grundy and Captain Cold,as a matter of fact Captain Cold (the original CC) should be played by Robert Patrick and be a Hannibal Lecter Type who may or may not have a hidden motive to get out himself. Solomon Grundy could be there for muscle,hell even other members of DC's rouges gallery like Toyman and Riddler could be there to terrorize Ollie before he beats some ass on the way out. My pick for Ollie, Matthew McConaughey or the Josh Lucas from The Hulk.
Love the idea. by hallmitchell	Apr 9th, 2007 12:09:30 PM
Great to go away from the usual origin story and fight the villain to the death at the end. Great pitch!
don't you think its funny ... by victormoreno	Apr 9th, 2007 12:16:04 PM
that all the suggestions in this thread just make it sound more and more and MORE like Prison Break? C listers with ulterior motives, the guy picked up how its also a Heroes ripoff is spot on too. And yes you know damn straight someone will think the main character is named Super Max - the title is even cheesy its ripped off from the name of the prison where the Unabomber and all the worst criminal in the US are kept, like Woody Harellson's dad before he died.
So...... by Colonel Activity	Apr 9th, 2007 12:54:32 PM
Green Arrow's gonna fight Mirror Master and The Weather Wizard in prison. Sounds awesome. Can someone take off their shoes, so I can puke in them.
Goyer Ain't So Bad by Partyboy Todd Parker	Apr 9th, 2007 02:26:15 PM
Seems like a lot of people are ripping on Goyer. I worked for an interview series (kind of like Inside the Actors Studio, except for writers). Goyer was one of the featured screenwriters, and he seemed like a solid dude. He is definitely listening to the fanboys (he mentioned AICN specifically) and taking his comic adaptations very seriously. If you want to see the interview, I think it's selling at Amazon. It's called Dialogue or something like that. I listened to lots of writers but a guy I never heard of blew everyone's minds. It was Bruce Joel Rubin. He wrote Jacob's Ladder. Turns out his whole career was spawned from an LSD overdose.
So now I see.. by Thalya	Apr 9th, 2007 02:36:46 PM
Goyer's just pissed because he didn't get Flash. This would be a great vehicle for Flash/Iron Heights, and a Flash movie would have to have multiple villains because they'd be so easy to take down. Like other people are calling for, give us Captain Cold (hasn't there only been one?), Weather Wizard, Mirror Master, Trickster, Heatwave, Captain Boomerang (Sr. or Jr., take your pick), The Top, Doctor Alchemy, and hell, throw in Girder and Double Down for the freakishness. Green Arrow just doesn't have the best rogues gallery outside of Merlyn the Archer. Otherwise, what I think? What Calico Pete said, is my gut reaction.
This movie is a perfect vehicle for Green Arrow. by superninja	Apr 9th, 2007 04:01:10 PM
Green Arrow is a great character, but only because of his personality. Ollie gets put in prison wrongly and attempts to break out and teams up with the villains. That's what he is selling everyone, but he's really there to get information from the inside. That's the kind of thing Ollie would do, I think it works. I like it how people are making fun of Captain Cold but Lex Luthor's real estate deal part deux and average thugs kicking Superman in the ribs are awesome. Really now. The whole concept is an action comedy - everyone knows Captain Cold, Boomerang, etc. are has beens, that's part of the fun. If they try to be hardcore and serious with this it will totally ruin it, but this could be highly entertaining.
Thayla, my first thought was that he was adapting by superninja	Apr 9th, 2007 04:02:30 PM
the Iron Heights storyline to another character. It was a very good storyline. I would not have wanted the first Flash movie to be about Iron Heights - it should be way more lighthearted. Does EVERY superhero film have to be a major downer?
And it's gotta be Eckhart. He's got the right by superninja	Apr 9th, 2007 04:07:31 PM
balance of humor and gravitas as an actor - he could carry the film. Craig is just not funny enough. Who cares if he's Two Face, Harvey isn't a hero. That's like saying Gary Oldman shouldn't be in any other superhero film because he's Gordon. Who cares? It's Oldman, he can be a different character in every film he's in, and the same with Eckhart - they're real actors.
You want a buddy movie with them travelling by superninja	Apr 9th, 2007 04:10:20 PM
around America fighting hippies and promoting social justice?
Blah by Colonel Activity	Apr 9th, 2007 04:13:02 PM
I'm usually for comic book movies, but the majority of DC characters--especially villains--are amazingly shitty. Count Vertigo? Captain Boomerang? Mirror Master? Give me a fucking break. Put Ollie in prison with a second-tier Spidey villain (Shocker,Electro, etc.) and he's toast. This movie sounds like a good idea, until you realize it's DC and it's not Bats, Supes, GL, The Flash or Wonder Woman.
Wonder Woman by Colonel Activity	Apr 9th, 2007 04:14:08 PM
I'd rather have her in this situation. A Caged Heat-type of movie with the Female Furies, Catwoman, and Maxima. ME--OW!!!
Watchmen by Blueberry	Apr 9th, 2007 04:30:10 PM
Next year we'll see on screen a movie where a superhero gets captured by the police, unmasked and sent to a prison where all his enemies are trying to kill him. It's called Watchmen...
A Great Idea by Dersu	Apr 9th, 2007 06:09:38 PM
I agree with Moriarty on this one. This is a great idea. A lot of superhero movies have been getting made. A lot of them are surprisingly good. However, most of them do use and reuse the same plot conventions. As much as I love movies like "Spider-Man 2," "Batman Begins," or "Superman Returns," they all have: a hero with daddy issues, a damsel in distress, a villain with a doomsday device. If superhero comic book adaptations are to continue in Hollywood, then studios going to have to take chances on more original approaches like this one. I was thinking they should get David Fincher (or at least a similar talent) to direct this. If it's a good movie and successful, then it could help prove that superhero movies are not a simply fad that will die out in five years, if even that long.
dersu by victormoreno	Apr 9th, 2007 06:20:41 PM
plot conventions are the elephant in the room you cant avoid when you do genre films. do an art film if you dont want an origin comci story, because your ebeholden to teh fanbase who buy tickets to do the origin right. if goyer thinks origin stories are lame, then he shouldnt do superheroes. he couldnt do an origin story in the crow 2 properly, blade its all flashbacks and narrative, Nolan did most of the work on Batman. If anything avoiding the origin story is crutch to cover up Goyer's crap writing, look how he handles Dracula in Blade 3 as well as the nightstalkers to see how he cant do a running intros without a stronger director - i.e. how del toro's direction made the bloodpack in blde 2 seem cool, whereas how goyer does montages and bad comedy to intro the nightstalkers in blade 3.
SMALLVILLE's version of GA sucked donkey balls by Monkey_King	Apr 9th, 2007 06:21:05 PM
the costume sucked even worse than the shitty continuity.
'Superhero' should not define the genre... by pjdon	Apr 9th, 2007 06:26:26 PM
... why can't they play like another type of film. How about placing Batman for instance in a building and making an Assult on Precinct 13 stlye film. Just having one specific story in the heroes life instead of doing the whole origin thing or having it continue onto or from another film.
The goatee IS the disguise by Immortal_Fish	Apr 9th, 2007 07:29:07 PM
Please make the goatee a part of the disguise. Please don't make civilian Ollie walk around with an organic goatee. Please. If anyone out there has seen the fan-made "trailer" for a GA movie, then you know this could happen. I'd prefer they forego the origin route myself.
this is a non-story by Rupee88	Apr 9th, 2007 07:32:53 PM
because this movie will never happen.
Why not film GREEN ARROW: THE LONGBOW HUNTERS instead? by SpyGuy	Apr 9th, 2007 10:16:59 PM
Ollie's 43 and in a bit of a mid-life crisis, so he and Black Canary move to Seattle to set up a new life. There, he investigates a series of murders involving Shado, a female Japanese archer. Black Canary is captured, stripped and tortured by one of the bad guys who Ollie ends up killing with an arrow right through the chest. THIS is the GREEN ARROW film that needs to be made, not some lame "PRISON BREAK with supervillains" high-concept flick.
as "original" and "clever" as this is.... by Bootskin	Apr 10th, 2007 12:52:18 AM
It's been done with Daredevil, Batman, Punisher, the New Avengers, Superman everytime he was sent to the goddam phantom zone, and even Rorshach in The Watchmen, also soon to be a film. I am not impressed by the originality of this idea. Goyer, Go fuck yourself you hack. "You forget. I'm not in here with you....you're in here with me" or something to that effect...
Ok, ok, I got it... by Calico Pete	Apr 10th, 2007 01:53:16 AM
New idea. GA fight a supposed supervillain, they're both captured and sent to the same prison. They continue their fight there, but Ollie the Activist quickly realizes the supervilain that got locked up with him isn't really that bad of a guy. In fact, it's corruption elsewhere that made him go the "villain" route, and he never got a fair trial and blah blah blah, whaddayaknow, Ollie helps him escape so he can get a second chance and help Ollie bring down the corrupt system. Throw in some other govt group that's going to turn this villain into a federal witness if Ollie can break him out. At the end, after Ollie and the villain have escaped, Ollie hears the news that the guy just committed another murder. He feels guilty and then vows to. bring him in. In the sequel he finds out the feds only made it look like the villain murdered someone after escaping w/GA's help so they could have ammo against vigilantes everywhere. It's Cadmus, and they offer Ollie amnesty if he helps them go after powered villains. Dun dun dunnnnnnn! Feel free to mix and match Civil War elements with Kingdom Come, season liberally with 24, and badaboom, Green Arrow as a window onto the world of supers vs humans, registration of vigilantes, etc... Steal civil war and xmen from right under Marvel's noses.
Sounds like a fairly interesting episode of Smallville by Zardoz	Apr 10th, 2007 05:42:28 AM
but not a very interesting movie. I don't know, maybe it'll work but, marginal DC heroes + marginal DC villains = marginal interest and box-office prospects. Go ahead, prove me wrong...
No thanks. by jedimast3r	Apr 10th, 2007 08:15:47 AM
If I wanted to see this shit, I'd watch the abortion that is Smallville. Who's fucking genius idea is it to make Green Arrow's screen debut without him being Arrow for 90% of the movie? I doubt you'll ever see this project come to fruition, so don't waste valuable O2 on this.
Green Arrow Movie -- good idea. by Snookeroo	Apr 10th, 2007 08:25:35 AM
Green Arrow in prison -- bad idea.
I do like GA better than a Metahuman by jimbojones123	Apr 10th, 2007 08:52:23 AM
This would work much better as an animated JLU thing. I have a feeling that instead of like JLU where they can just let characters be in the background, we'll get a long string of catchphrases and cameo sillyness. Every 2 minutes will be devoted to another villian doing something to help GA or hurt GA. That person will be dispensed with -- and on to the next. It will be a big long series of comicstrip like stories strung together. This would actually be a great Mini-sode idea to go with Smallville. Maybe at the 15 minute mark of each show -- EVEN REPEATS (get the viewers to come back for the 2nd run) show a 2 minute mini-sode. It would be like the animated SW first season (some of those didn't get anywhere near 5 minutes... in fact -- Credits/recaps/previews were almost as long as some of the episodes). Yeah, I want to be compensated if you do the Green Arrow mini-sodes added onto Smallville you crazy CW network.
I'd rather see an adaptation of the Hellblazer arc by rev_skarekroe	Apr 10th, 2007 09:27:31 AM
With the real John Constantine, not that guy Keanu played.
Can't wait for Prison Break Season 3 by AlwaysThere	Apr 10th, 2007 11:34:56 AM
Sona baby, Sona.

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