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Optimus Vs. Bonecrusher! Place your bets!!

first by bob oblaw	Apr 2nd, 2007 03:28:53 PM
eh..
Nice. by Edward_nygma	Apr 2nd, 2007 03:29:19 PM
They certainly are some large robots.
Isn't a name like Bonecrusher... by Childe Roland	Apr 2nd, 2007 03:29:42 PM
...sort of the Transformer equivalent of being called "puppy kicker?" I mean, humans are kind of fragile comparitively, right? Either way, this looks pretty fucking cool.
where are the haters by lionbiu	Apr 2nd, 2007 03:30:12 PM
countdown to talkback explosion and people picking on stupid tidbits to whinge about....9....8...7...6...5... 4...3..2..1..0
meh by Dignan666	Apr 2nd, 2007 03:30:18 PM
m-e-h.
*SPOILER* by Alonzo Mosely	Apr 2nd, 2007 03:31:00 PM
They're Robots in disguise...
How it will suck, let us count the ways by PervOmatic	Apr 2nd, 2007 03:31:06 PM
1. Michael Bay 2. Flames on Optimus 3. Everything else about it
Pic removed by request of blockheads... by Motoko Kusanagi	Apr 2nd, 2007 03:31:16 PM
I bet. I give it another 10 minutes after it will be removed. Bet $500. Hah! I hope this movie ROCKS!!!!
cool... by olddirtyogre	Apr 2nd, 2007 03:32:03 PM
First action shot of Optimus from the flick and it looks pretty gnarley. Bonecrusher is lookin' pretty weird, but I'm diggin' the scale of the robots.
Just got off the phone with flames by Motoko Kusanagi	Apr 2nd, 2007 03:32:34 PM
they say they ROCK!!!
At first I thought Optimus and the rapper were at odds. by nomihs	Apr 2nd, 2007 03:33:56 PM
Yeah, bonecrusher the decepticon, not bonecrusher the rapper/celebrity from celeb fit club. Okay, it's all cleared up and the cgi looks like it doesn't belong in the frame with the rest of the action.
I wonder if this will be a 500+ by Motoko Kusanagi	Apr 2nd, 2007 03:34:34 PM
or 800+ posts thread. And I still hope there will be an R-Rated DVD version...
i say this thread will be at least 600 by lionbiu	Apr 2nd, 2007 03:36:34 PM
responses 60% whining 40% non whining
Skeletons sorta freak me out... by Anna Valerious	Apr 2nd, 2007 03:37:26 PM
So we have the good ones like Jack Skellington, and the flamboyant Skeleton in the Closet from "The Scary Godmother"...however, stuff like Phantasma weirds me out. And this robot skeleton is between those two.
looks AMAZING by wcoop893	Apr 2nd, 2007 03:38:28 PM
cant wait to hear the complaints about this one
Looks like Optimus is about to... by TORTURE PWN	Apr 2nd, 2007 03:38:32 PM
..."get attempted to get raped!"
Welcome BACK to Thunderdome! by IndustryKiller!	Apr 2nd, 2007 03:39:49 PM
A bazillion talkbackers enter....not one leaves. including myself. ;)
What??? by jimmy rabbitte	Apr 2nd, 2007 03:45:32 PM
No one's dogged Micael Bay yet?
LOL They look like TOYS! by JusticeSabre	Apr 2nd, 2007 03:45:38 PM
Goofy, pronged, shredded metal toys! MICHAEL BAY FUCKING LOST.
I come from the future to tell that... by Dorothys Taint Again	Apr 2nd, 2007 03:46:14 PM
to everyone's great surprise, BONECRUSHER will be victorious. Told you they re-wrote the script since last year. Foolish mortals.
of all things, how could you try and hate on the cg wor by wcoop893	Apr 2nd, 2007 03:50:26 PM
k? it looks pretty freaking impressive from this photo, and from what we've seen in the trailers. could something as impressive as this be winning some over? no they just havent arrived yet im sure
This just gets worse and worse.... by Jobacca	Apr 2nd, 2007 03:51:09 PM
Man...I thought Megatron was the worst design. Do none of the robots in this flick actually look like robots? It looks like they fired the designer halfway through the process and just decided to go with what they had. None of these character designs have any style or substance whatsoever-they all just look like junk.
All pray to the Bay! by Motoko Kusanagi	Apr 2nd, 2007 03:51:18 PM
Especially the haters. THANK YOU MICHAEL BAY!!!
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oO by Mr. Lahey	Apr 2nd, 2007 03:53:42 PM
(baked Dimebag voice)God-Daaaaamn!
TINO's opening weekend BO gross- Place your bets! by finky089	Apr 2nd, 2007 03:54:04 PM
Do I hear $60MM? Second weekend will drop to $20 at best, since it has to compete with OFTP. You wait, You'll see.
wow, that's the first pic I've seen by s0nicdeathmonkey	Apr 2nd, 2007 03:54:12 PM
where I didn't think it looked ridiculous.
I read that as by landosystem	Apr 2nd, 2007 03:54:59 PM
The big robots about to GO DOWN on each other... Now that would be a transformers movie.
No wcoop893, it still isn't any more impressive. by finky089	Apr 2nd, 2007 03:55:38 PM
It's the same shit we've seen before, only at odd angles now, which isn't helping it.
TINO??? WTF is that supposed to mean???? by Motoko Kusanagi	Apr 2nd, 2007 03:56:00 PM
I mean.....teh fuck?????
wcoop893 by finky089	Apr 2nd, 2007 03:57:17 PM
I'm not saying it's bad. B/c if I saw this and had absolutely NO context for it whatsoever, it'd pique my interest. but when I discovered this was supposed to pass as TRANSFORMERS, I'd give it a "Bah! Fuck this!" and leave it alone.
Hmmmm. More than 30 minutes.... by Motoko Kusanagi	Apr 2nd, 2007 03:57:44 PM
and the pic is still there?!?!?! Where's the pic police when you need it?
Is it me or does Bonecrusher's face look like by finky089	Apr 2nd, 2007 03:58:00 PM
a metallic Oscar the Grouch?
All these pics look great by EdRyder	Apr 2nd, 2007 03:58:38 PM
Gigantic robot skating on pavement,trumps flames on Optimus.Dont recall anything that cool in your precious source material.I never had a dog in this fight, but Il speak up.The designs arent bunk at all.Explanationless blanket stements like"They look lame"have no basis in reality,obviously
Bonecrusher by Yommers	Apr 2nd, 2007 04:00:51 PM
He's not the helicopter, hes some insane anti-mine truck or something. Check wikipedia for buffalo mine protected vehicle. Also, this looks fucking awesome. Shutup whiners.
I'm nearly sold on this film. Don't fuck it up Bay!!! by Monkey_King	Apr 2nd, 2007 04:01:03 PM
Platinum Dunes had best lay off the remakes of classic Horror films after that HITCHER mess. Let Jeff Katz make his sequel to Freddy Vs Jason with my script that returns Tommy Jarvis to the franchise.
Motoko, it won't get pulled b/c by finky089	Apr 2nd, 2007 04:01:04 PM
AICN is down with Bay. Remember Quint's set visit a few months back? Notice how there's scarely any commentary on what shows up? And TINO = Transformers In Name Only. A much more accurate name for this film.
I dont care who you are by godzillasushi	Apr 2nd, 2007 04:01:06 PM
That pic is 20 kinds of awesome.
Good CG...Ass Designs...and lunch. by theseventhshore	Apr 2nd, 2007 04:01:54 PM
For some reason, I keep harking back to The Cell with J-Blo. Good CG AND great designs... But a shit story sandwiched between pretty slices of bread is still a shit sandwich, my friends.
Motoko Kusanagi by wcoop893	Apr 2nd, 2007 04:02:11 PM
the pictures are up on yahoo movies.com, they are not going to be taken down, if that what you meant
not a transformers fan (just a tinsy bit b4 my time) by misnomer	Apr 2nd, 2007 04:04:13 PM
but thats some impressive cg right there.
another reason the pic wont be pulled by Bouncy X	Apr 2nd, 2007 04:04:16 PM
its been posted by yahoo..so these arent leaked or anything, they're official releases but oh that looks awesome, nice to see Prime does indeed have the truck's nose on his chest like that Empire mag cover...wheeew
TINO=Takes It in the Nose Often by Childe Roland	Apr 2nd, 2007 04:04:38 PM
Or at least that's what I heard. Something about childhood raping to the point where the asshole isn't tight enough anymore.
as far as SFX go, it looks pretty bad... by Zardoz	Apr 2nd, 2007 04:05:03 PM
the scale is wrong, the background looks like 50's style rear-projection, even the lighting looks like crap! I'm NOT impressed...
------ by AllieJamison	Apr 5th, 2007 06:43:31 AM
did the site crash or what?
Good Question, AllieJamison by dandosama	Apr 5th, 2007 06:49:13 AM
Looks like Coaxial is missing the last few days' entries. I miss the Lost talkback! : (
CHUD and TheMovieBlog had these last week.. by solartaco3	Apr 5th, 2007 06:56:07 AM
But they still be cool.
Nooooooooooooooooooo by ElPaw	Apr 5th, 2007 07:00:57 AM
Where be the Lost talkback?
wtf by Lost Prophet	Apr 5th, 2007 07:05:27 AM
wheres all the chat from the last few days? This was terrible last time. Where's all the articles from the last few days. pah.
THE MOST EXCITING THING... by Ray Gamma	Apr 5th, 2007 07:05:52 AM
THE MOST EXCITING THING ABOUT THIS MOVIE IS: the implications it has for special effects in serious movies in the near future.
What the hell? by Franklin T Marmoset	Apr 5th, 2007 07:09:41 AM
If I'm going to travel backwards in time, I'd like to at least go back to 1987 so I can re-think my educational and career choices. Alternatively, 1969 would be good. I always wanted to see The Doors play the Whiskey-A-G-Go.
worm hole by Papa Lazaru	Apr 5th, 2007 07:11:13 AM
AICN , the first web site ever to travel back in time , congrats. Does this mean the weekend is further away then I thought ??. FUCK
Hooray! 8 posts! by Franklin T Marmoset	Apr 5th, 2007 07:11:57 AM
Come on, Transformers fans! Let's complain about the designs and see if we can push it all the way up to 10! Maybe more people would like to discuss my Transformers Vs The League Of Eighties Heavyweights film idea?
LOL by JusticeSabre	Apr 5th, 2007 07:16:47 AM
What happened to the replies? haha
I'm all for going back in time by Fecal Debris	Apr 5th, 2007 07:21:53 AM
and maybe I'll try to get laid more often as a young man, but I don't want to wait for Spider-Man 3 any longer than I have to. Goddamnit! And all you sports guys out there, be careful that Biff doesn't steal your final four scores, or everything will be fucked.
Damn you, web master types by Franklin T Marmoset	Apr 5th, 2007 07:22:57 AM
You blew it up, didn't you? YOU BLEW IT ALL UP!!
How will the plants get paid? by Neo Zeed	Apr 5th, 2007 07:23:01 AM
Don't they have to show their bosses the talkbacks from TF/DieHard4? PLANTS GOTTA EAT!!!
site problem - 48hr old data by sounding	Apr 5th, 2007 07:23:36 AM
aintitcool.com ran into some trouble at approximately 4am CST. a drive array "went south" and we are currently recovering about 48hrs worth of stories and talkbacks. this will not affect posting from this moment on. the site will work normally. editors can post stories, talkbackers can post chatter, etc.
You're right about Biff, Fecal Debris by Franklin T Marmoset	Apr 5th, 2007 07:27:26 AM
That crazy bastard - always messing with the space/time continuum! Since I only appear to have travelled a few days back in time, do I still have to worry about accidentally sleeping with my mother?
Bob Clark IS DEAD by BigTuna	Apr 5th, 2007 07:41:13 AM
The man who made Porky's and Black Christmas was killed today
THIS FILM IS GONNA RAPE FACES... by MantisRapture	Apr 5th, 2007 07:41:36 AM
...SIMPLE AS.
Yes! We can do it all over again. by ELGordo	Apr 5th, 2007 07:43:27 AM
The greatest talk back in AICN history can be done as a do over. We can relive old arguments and hissy fits. So here are my highlights. You can't do a movie that's supposed to make money with only serious robots. You need human characters. This movie is done for the general masses who vaguely remember the cartoon and toys from their childhood, not only superninja and Krack...sorry guys. Nobody cares about the mass vs height argument posted by Krack. And that's about it I think.
OH MAN! by Jak0lantern01	Apr 5th, 2007 07:43:50 AM
This TB was going strong before the crash. Ok, everyone get busy. :)
Pessimus Prime by CuervoJones	Apr 5th, 2007 07:45:54 AM
Damn you Michael Bay
Replign by Judge Dredds Dirty Undies	Apr 5th, 2007 07:46:29 AM
Can someone explain how that term arose, I was there throughout the replign mania that took AICN for a few week but I seemed to miss the birth of that word.
heh, anyone else think that bitching about TF by Lost Prophet	Apr 5th, 2007 07:53:38 AM
overloaded the site? Bay is like a virus. Destroys everything he comes into contact with
First! After the site crash, that is... by Abin Sur	Apr 5th, 2007 07:53:40 AM
You know, I pay good money for this site to work...oh wait, never mind.
you forgot by Lost Prophet	Apr 5th, 2007 07:55:46 AM
accustations of pretentiousness- some slating, some abuse, and fifty thousand Damn You Bay posts.
Not to mention by Lost Prophet	Apr 5th, 2007 07:56:42 AM
as it appears to be a new TB: TINO TINO TINO TINO TINO TINO TINO TINO TINO TINO TINO TINO TINO TINO TINO TINO TINO TINO TINO TINO TINO TINO TINO TINO TINO TINO TINO TINO TINO TINO TINO TINO TINO TINO TINO TINO TINO TINO TINO TINO TINO TINO Ha! beat finky to it.
and somewhere finky weeps by just pillow talk	Apr 5th, 2007 07:58:56 AM
perhaps the system will crash again and his opportunity will rise out of the ashes of this TB once more.
who knew you can have TB "do-overs" by just pillow talk	Apr 5th, 2007 08:00:10 AM
Ocean's 12 is a fantastic piece of film making (that's for you Lost Prophet!) :-)
No it isn't by Lost Prophet	Apr 5th, 2007 08:03:31 AM
actually it was my hatred at seeing that on screen that caused the meltdown. "My bad" (heh)
wow, I can only imagine that line by just pillow talk	Apr 5th, 2007 08:06:20 AM
"My bad" being said in a summer blockbuster. I think it'll work really well in the context of a movie, but which one?
got me stumped by Lost Prophet	Apr 5th, 2007 08:09:34 AM
I hope it comes after the comedy genius of "football in the groin", or even better after a "dog pissing on..." gag. That would be gold, and not at all lazy half-arsed scriptwriting
god, I hope the focus on big summer blockbusters by just pillow talk	Apr 5th, 2007 08:16:07 AM
is on, I don't know, maybe a teenage boy...who is in love, or wait, in love and gets his first car! Yes!!!
and clearly said teenage masturbator should be by Lost Prophet	Apr 5th, 2007 08:17:42 AM
played by an inexplicably popular, yet obviously devoid of talent, actor such as, well, Shia Lebeouf.
Just doing my part to get the conversation rolling by drave117	Apr 5th, 2007 08:18:17 AM
Compare the questions addressed to Murphy in these videos with all of the complaints about the film. Spooky! http://tinyurl.com/yfoxxc
as much as this is fun- where is everybody by Lost Prophet	Apr 5th, 2007 08:18:40 AM
(tumbleweeds roll past, and somewhere in the distance a solitary church bell tolls once)
I don't know, Shia? I mean, what other movie would by just pillow talk	Apr 5th, 2007 08:20:01 AM
want him? What? Oh, never mind. That movie too? I hear the four horsemen...the Apocalypse cometh...
and because of that church bell.. by just pillow talk	Apr 5th, 2007 08:21:13 AM
Topher gets the black goop on him. I cannot wait for Spidey 3.
The question is by Lost Prophet	Apr 5th, 2007 08:21:56 AM
would he be too expensive given the high special effects budget? The budget should be used to produce fantastic looking effects that nevertheless piss on the original concept.
The other question is: by Lost Prophet	Apr 5th, 2007 08:24:22 AM
can we drive a week old respawned TB back over 500 posts before I leave work at 5? now there's a challenge.
well, I'm not a big Transformers fan by just pillow talk	Apr 5th, 2007 08:28:24 AM
so it doesn't bother me as much that they changed the robot designs. However, since I do not like Mike Bay movies, there's probably a very good chance I won't like this one either. I have not seen the Island, so I cannot comment on whether he made a 'supposedly' smarter movie. It never fails that he'll find a way to put some very 'cringe worthy' scenes into each of his movies.
I see no reason why that is not a distinct possibility. by just pillow talk	Apr 5th, 2007 08:30:46 AM
It seems it requires a topic that just makes people crazy and enough slackers at work. Combine the two and it becomes an unstoppable force. Or merely a bunch of nerds who have nothing better to do. Either one. Mostly the second one. Mostly.
I agree, I'm not the biggest TF fan by Lost Prophet	Apr 5th, 2007 08:36:18 AM
but I fucking hate bay, shit scriptwriting, Shia Lebeouf, and others. What surprised me about this when I first heard of it and there was the original TB Brouhaha, was the sheer arrogance of the producers. Now I know, and SOAP proved it once and for all, that the geek/ fanboy market is not that big, but Geeks tend to go to repeat viewings of property they support and also tend to buy all the DVD's and other shit that goes with it (just ask George Lucas), so why have this lot deliberately decided to alienate the fanboy market. They could easily have given a few nods to keep the geeks happy, but they would rather abuse them. It is a truly strange decision, and all I can credit it to(I have spent far too long thinking about this) is that they want to seperate TF from it's fanbase and ease it into family movie territory. The way that they can remove the geek stain (destigmatize it) is to piss all over any fanboy opinion, be rude arrogant and abusive, and deliberately produce things that do not resemble beloved originals. Thereby giving them a geek free franchise for the inevitable sequel. Although, in theory, a good idea this never works. Godzilla being the best example.
My god Murphy's ugly by Lost Prophet	Apr 5th, 2007 08:38:22 AM
he looks like a motorhead roadie after sharing a binge with Lemmie.
Barging in and that by Franklin T Marmoset	Apr 5th, 2007 08:42:33 AM
I pretty much agree, just piilow talk. Not a fan, of Transformers or Bay, so I will be mighty surprised if this turns out to be anything other than a shallow, silly film with some really nice effects in it. Maybe that's enough, I don't know. As to the The Island's supposed 'intelligence', I suppose it's a relative thing. It is, for example, smarter than Bad Boys II. It is not, however, smarter than a slice of pizza with half a boot print on it. Mind you, Scarlett Johansson is unstoppably beautiful in it. You can pretty much look at her extreme state of non-ugliness and ignore all the other stuff that's going on in the film.
nipples on batman = genitals on optimus prime by INWOsuxRED	Apr 5th, 2007 08:50:03 AM
= flames on optimus prime = genitals on the faces of every decepticon
50th by Smashing	Apr 5th, 2007 08:54:30 AM
Suckers, this looks cool, not forgetting the whole reason for the film is to pay for the tech to make these images it promises improved graphics in all movies, Transformers rule anyway.
100th by Lost Prophet	Apr 5th, 2007 08:55:03 AM
damn, this is a slow work day. Now that I know that The Island is a remake of Logan's Run I may watch it.
curses, 101st by Lost Prophet	Apr 5th, 2007 08:55:51 AM
not to mention 102nd
Franklin T Marmoset - that's what I plan on doing by just pillow talk	Apr 5th, 2007 08:59:12 AM
eventually.."look at her extreme state of non-ugliness and ignore all the other stuff that's going on in the film." I can't think of a better reason to watch a Bay film.
that is no reason to go out of your way to see a film by Lost Prophet	Apr 5th, 2007 09:01:19 AM
outside of porn. it is a reason to not turn it off if it is on telly though.
I don't consider that going out of my way by just pillow talk	Apr 5th, 2007 09:06:36 AM
since it's through Netflix. It's on my list, now it's just a question of if I ever get to it. There are of course tons of other movies I want to see first: Godzilla, Carebears: The Movie, Gymkata, etc. I hear all of those are really good. Well, Gymkata is if you drink heavily while watching it. GYMKATA!
I've never heard of GYMKATA by Lost Prophet	Apr 5th, 2007 09:10:33 AM
does it star BIG FUCKING ROBOTS, Shia lebeouf, and is it directed by an utter hack, written by morons, but redeemed by cool special effects? If not I'm not watching it.
Don't cheapen it, Lost Prophet by Franklin T Marmoset	Apr 5th, 2007 09:16:00 AM
I'm not talking about anything so pedestrian as a hot chick with swollen boobs and four cocks in her various holes. I'm talking about beauty, mate. What the poets talk about - except they're usually going on about flowers and whatnot. And who wants to look at flowers when you've got two hours of Scarlett on offer? Seriously, though, it's a shitty film. Not Bay's shittiest, but not a classic by any stretch. Don't say I didn't warn you, jpt.
The Island by drave117	Apr 5th, 2007 09:18:00 AM
The Island isn't horrible. It's definitely the strongest of Bay's films since The Rock. I've said this before, but I'm saying it again. I feel the same about about The Island that a mother must feel about the breakfast her pre-teen kids attempt to cook for her on Mother's Day morning. A cute effort, and it makes a nice change from the usual fighting and breaking stuff, but nowhere near a satisfying meal.
I must be being dumb by Lost Prophet	Apr 5th, 2007 09:27:26 AM
I've been trying to work it out- where is the fourth hole?
Maybe the crash was caused by by subgeniuszero	Apr 5th, 2007 09:36:19 AM
the sheer weight of the TalkBack?
I fully expect the worse going in Frankie... by just pillow talk	Apr 5th, 2007 09:40:01 AM
so best case scenario it will be bearable to watch due to the flower running across my scene.
AICN op's consist of TB'ers by Lost Prophet	Apr 5th, 2007 09:41:59 AM
who are notoriously shit at diplomacy. Apparantly "You Fucking Moron" isn't persuasive.
it depends upon the tone of voice used and context by just pillow talk	Apr 5th, 2007 09:46:24 AM
"Hey you fucking moron, how are things? Yeah dude, I hear ya." I'm pretty sure this TB can end the violence in the Middle East, if only they read each and every post.
Lost Prophet by Franklin T Marmoset	Apr 5th, 2007 09:49:44 AM
Well, these modern porn stars can fit four cocks into to just two holes, which my sources say is called a DVDA. Oh, man. I wish had never taken up the porn aspect of this discussion. I just tasted a bit of sick in my mouth. Damn you, Lost Prophet!
Forgot the obvious by Lost Prophet	Apr 5th, 2007 09:52:04 AM
Is that not painful? better than the human colander I had going through my head.
fetching drugs is not deep cover by Lost Prophet	Apr 5th, 2007 09:54:07 AM
Agent 1976, your mission if you choose to accept it is to impregnate some of Bay's cocaine supply with arsenic. This post will self- destruct in...
How are they going to paste the absent TB into this by Lost Prophet	Apr 5th, 2007 10:05:58 AM
mind you, they probably won't bother. I wouldn't.
Has someone repligin adress to the by commonsense101	Apr 5th, 2007 10:28:29 AM
not really Die Hard 4.0 TB, why it got canceled? Not enough love? her is Korean trailer for it: http://dvdprime.dreamwiz.com/b bs/view.asp?major=MD&minor=D1& master_id=22&bbsfword_id=&mast er_sel=&fword_sel=&SortMethod= &SearchCondition=&SearchCondit ionTxt=&bbslist_id=1084896&pag e=1 its more diehardy, but still kinda sour
I think they made up the system problem... by just pillow talk	Apr 5th, 2007 10:28:40 AM
to 'cleanse' the AICN website.
ethnically cleanse TB'ers by Lost Prophet	Apr 5th, 2007 10:30:24 AM
then how did all the plants survive?
they were winterized by just pillow talk	Apr 5th, 2007 10:32:46 AM
plus they use miracle grow. Damn you miracle grow!
I will say if my company's IT dept by just pillow talk	Apr 5th, 2007 10:35:15 AM
had to do a recovery exercise, all would be lost. I swear to god I don't know how my company is able to survive.
tell me about it by Lost Prophet	Apr 5th, 2007 10:36:18 AM
Did you see "The IT crowd"? too fucking true. The plus point is that they are too incompetent to bust me for titting about on AICN when I am meant to be working.
incompetency can be a good thing by just pillow talk	Apr 5th, 2007 10:41:31 AM
when it works in one's favor. What's the "IT crowd"?
will you stop it with that shit, Ricky. by Lost Prophet	Apr 5th, 2007 10:44:14 AM
It isn't that funny. First time was mildly amusing, 500th is just lame.
The IT Crowd by Lost Prophet	Apr 5th, 2007 10:45:28 AM
was a sitcom by the guys that did Father Ted about (unsurprisingly) the losers that work in a big corporation's IT department. It was great and also did feature the god of comedy- Chris Morris.
very good. Stop it now. by Lost Prophet	Apr 5th, 2007 10:47:57 AM
Except when you get banned the stalinist purge will eliminate your feeble attempt at humour, thus depopulating the TB.
I can't imagine it was funny the first time by just pillow talk	Apr 5th, 2007 10:49:29 AM
LP. Ah, it's a British comedy. So how does it compare to your "Office"?
Ricky is an example of talkback population control by just pillow talk	Apr 5th, 2007 10:50:37 AM
and why it should be implemented.
dude, what's up with all the racist comments? by just pillow talk	Apr 5th, 2007 10:55:05 AM
are you looking for another TB name?
different to the office- by Lost Prophet	Apr 5th, 2007 10:55:14 AM
It isn't really a comparison- the IT crowd was just too different to the office. It's not about squirm inducing humour, and it isn't mocumentary. Just damn funny. The one where the 2 IT dorks "caught" PMT off their manager was hysterical. maybe it is because at the time I was working in a heavily IT dominated company, and they all took anty reference to it extremely badly. No, Ricky's postings weren't funnny first time, even in the correct thread- which is why he is screaming for attention now, just go and luck at the Starship Dave page, there are about 30 of them.
proof reading blows by Lost Prophet	Apr 5th, 2007 10:56:39 AM
and this isn't going to reach 500 before I leave. Shame.
i'm sure you mentioned it to your IT guys by just pillow talk	Apr 5th, 2007 10:57:31 AM
as much as possible too. Nice... Yeah, I hopped over to that TB and saw what he has been up to. Time for a banishment I think.
obviously by Lost Prophet	Apr 5th, 2007 10:58:41 AM
to be fair, some of them watched it. I mostly watched it because the God that is Chris Morris was making one of his rare TV appearances in it.
sorry dude, i've been trying... by just pillow talk	Apr 5th, 2007 10:59:16 AM
even though I really do have work to do and we are closing early due to Good Friday. (wa-hoo!)
ricky ritardo crawls up own ass with long pointed stick by Lost Prophet	Apr 5th, 2007 11:03:25 AM
see we can all do it, and it isn't funny.
pah. I have to stay late because my boss is a dick by Lost Prophet	Apr 5th, 2007 11:04:27 AM
wanker making me stay till 5.30,good friday or not.
that sucks LP by just pillow talk	Apr 5th, 2007 11:50:52 AM
at least Ricky will keep you company... (yikes!)
Hey Ricky Ritardo... by Jak0lantern01	Apr 5th, 2007 12:09:00 PM
sounds like you're stirring the pot again with the lost Bob Clark talkback last night. Not sure that's a good thing. A few people got really upset and there were charges of racism. I was initially thinking that's why the site got taken down, voluntarily or otherwise. Either way, perhaps we should avoid a repeat? People lack a sense of humor these days......
There's only room for ONE Ricky on this site by Ricky Henderson	Apr 5th, 2007 12:12:14 PM
and you my friend, aint him.
OT - Logan's Run Remake by bythehairofsanjaya	Apr 5th, 2007 12:18:41 PM
Excuse me. WND is running a story that Joel Silver, the producer of the Matrix trilogy, is going to do a remake of Logans Run. By the Hair of Sanjaya, why doesn't AICN have an exclusive on this?
sad, people.. just sad... by drave117	Apr 5th, 2007 12:21:17 PM
I'm hardly hearing anything from either Transformers camp! Let's get this talkback back on track or we're never gonna break a thousand again! I miss superninja.
All this talk of an "R rated" version is crap by Ricky Henderson	Apr 5th, 2007 12:25:23 PM
there never was nor will there ever be an R rated cut of this movie. Who makes an R rated version of a movie based on a toy franchise? Bay's just saying it to drum up fanboy excitment. Besides, if you read the script, it's pretty damn slow action-wise. So Bay's claim of it originally being rated R for non-stop intense action scenes is total bunk.
Maybe not by subgeniuszero	Apr 5th, 2007 12:29:27 PM
Because of several factors. They've already said that the "new" script only has story beats in common with the "old" script that they say is the one everyone's read. Plus, Bay says that he always throws out the action sequences in the script and then goes and writes his own. I don't know how true either of these things are, but wouldn't it be a pleasant surprise if it were so?
Ricky Henderson by Mr. Nice Gaius	Apr 5th, 2007 12:32:42 PM
Bay never claimed the movie was "R" rated. That was Shia...and he was talking about "Disturbia". This has already been clarified on all the TFer websites. The film has yet to be submitted to the MPAA. (But it will undoubtedly be PG-13.)
BTW by subgeniuszero	Apr 5th, 2007 12:33:08 PM
I recently saw some stuff by Michael Bay that I didn't know existed. He directed three music videos for -- of all people -- Meat Loaf. They're really cool. Look them up on YouTube if you don't believe me. Yes, they are "standard issue Michael Bay" stuff (most of you would probably diss it, as I know Michael Bay is almost as universally despised here as Uwe Boll is). But, on the positive, they are very pretty to look at. However, if you don't like Meat Loaf, the point is moot. And I STILL think Transformers is going to whoop ass at the box office, regardless of all the haters (no matter how well-founded their hate).
TINO! TINO! TI- ah shit, Lost already beat me to it! by finky089	Apr 5th, 2007 12:40:00 PM
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oh ok MNG by Ricky Henderson	Apr 5th, 2007 12:41:05 PM
thanks for the clarification. And now for my witty and insightful comment of the day: "Michael Bay still sucks."
The posts have been acting funny for the last week by superninja	Apr 5th, 2007 12:42:10 PM
or so. Usually not a good sign. I find it hard to believe we crashed the server, though.
Where were we last night? Oh, Murphy at by superninja	Apr 5th, 2007 12:45:10 PM
the Canadian BotCon comparing Transformers to Godzilla repeatedly. And the audience wisely nailing him in advance for all of the problems with the script and characterization (or lack thereof) of the robots.
No, we didn't crash the server.... by Jak0lantern01	Apr 5th, 2007 12:46:55 PM
the Transformers crushed it. Damn tb's go on forever. Can't wait to see the length of the TB's after the movie is out. I can see it now: "Cool movie, but I still hate Bay. DAMN YOU MICHAEL BAY!"
IT NEVER SAID HE WAS AN ILLEGAL!!!!! by Jak0lantern01	Apr 5th, 2007 12:48:22 PM
I mean, it's possible, but it was never said. In any articles I read so far.
I guess by Kloipy	Apr 5th, 2007 12:48:31 PM
I was in the wrong TB
"The studio thought that Godzilla was a really by superninja	Apr 5th, 2007 12:49:45 PM
good product." Hey, relevant point there, Mr. Murphy! This guy claims he's been taking ideas from the fans at his message board throughout the entire process. So, no wonder those guys there are such loyalists! I've seen that happen on message boards whenever these sellout entertainment types try to befriend the fans during the creative process. Never understood it. What happened to having a vision, not making the entire film via polling?
Murphy banned anyone who disagreed with THE vision by Jak0lantern01	Apr 5th, 2007 12:53:38 PM
I was one of them, and it's probably for the better. Easy bunch of people that makes you just want to insult them for their retardedness, and half of them might be illegals, too. ;)
what does Ricky think of the 3-0 start? by just pillow talk	Apr 5th, 2007 12:59:33 PM
better question: where was this damn timely hitting in the NLCS??????
Yeah, and where's lie Lost talkback? by Ricky Henderson	Apr 5th, 2007 01:00:10 PM
What the hell happened here overnight? I'm blaming this on the night crew.
Ricky thinks the 3-0 start is fan-fucking-tastic by Ricky Henderson	Apr 5th, 2007 01:03:15 PM
Seriously, what better way to start off the season? Crisp defensive plays, strong pitching, and timely hitting. If they sweep the Braves Rickey will be quite the happy camper. By the way pillow, you should check out Rickey's blog sometime. Its chock full of mets and other random goodness. http://ridingwithricky.blogspo t.com/
Where the hell is the ALF talkback by Kloipy	Apr 5th, 2007 01:04:15 PM
now there was a classy show. Play that sax you sexy beast
DC Comics WW boards had the same thing. by superninja	Apr 5th, 2007 01:07:29 PM
The writer would come on the board and start cozying up to the fans and then he would write something they didn't like and they'd turn on him like a bunch of savages. Then he'd retain whatever fans he had left by putting their stupid suggestions in the comic books. If you are hired to craft stories, should you tell your stories on that basis? Of course you should feel out where the fans are at, where the charaecter is at, but not let it completely dictate your vision. I would have more respect for these guys if they had just been up front about what they intended in the first place and stuck to it.
here's a TF-related scoop by drave117	Apr 5th, 2007 01:22:14 PM
Murphy's superpowers come from drinking the tears of doe-eyed Canadian youths. It's true. I heard it on the internet.
this is gonna be the best movie ever for 1 reason by Kloipy	Apr 5th, 2007 01:26:44 PM
Tyrese
that was sarcasm by Kloipy	Apr 5th, 2007 01:27:15 PM
please, please understand that
I'm starting to feel sorry for these guys seeing by superninja	Apr 5th, 2007 01:29:17 PM
that it's clear they never understood the concepts to begin with. No wonder their frustration, they have no idea what anyone is talking about when it comes to story and character.
all you post belong to us by Phategod1	Apr 5th, 2007 01:32:11 PM
wow all the post gone. looks like we start fresh.
ahh, how I've missed you, superninja by drave117	Apr 5th, 2007 01:33:54 PM
Keep fighting the good fight with me! Now, where's krack? Hey, you know what's a good movie? Sideways. I just watched it on DVD for the first time since it was in theaters. It's even better than I remember. I have no idea why I am talking about this. I'm pretty out of it. Been up all night, because I am trying to wrap myself around back to a normal sleep schedule.
When they recover the file will it restore by superninja	Apr 5th, 2007 01:34:14 PM
the original comments in addition to the new ones? I think that's kind of what it was saying but I'm not sure.
P.T.A. presents: Transformers by Kloipy	Apr 5th, 2007 01:34:52 PM
a 4 1/2 hour look into Bumblebee's psyhe
boy, I hope so! by drave117	Apr 5th, 2007 01:42:05 PM
Ooh, imagine if we get it up to 1000 again, and then he inserts the old posts. Dare we dream? 2000 posts of insane ranting about the Transformers? In other news, has anybody else seen those creepy pre-movie commercial spots for want2bsquare.com? Those freak me right the hell out!
I live in SoCal, and I would have to say the by superninja	Apr 5th, 2007 01:51:29 PM
number of drunk drivers has noteably increased with the increase in population. Make of it what you will.
superninja by Kloipy	Apr 5th, 2007 01:59:12 PM
no one will ever learn. These people think it's ok "just this once" and then they end up killing someone. But people are so fixated on how "cool" it is to drink or get drunk. It's a whole mentality.
Yes, it really sux what happened by Jak0lantern01	Apr 5th, 2007 02:01:23 PM
to Bob Clark and his son, but it got a bit nasty last night on that board. I just love being called a racist, especially after pointing out x-times that there was no mention of the man's status. Oh well, Damn you BAY!
Does this mean no Porky's 3: 3 Fast, 3 Porkier? by finky089	Apr 5th, 2007 02:06:25 PM
Or will the future of this franchise fall into the capable hands of Dennis Michael Bay???
PS- DAMN YOU, DRUNK DRIVERS!! by finky089	Apr 5th, 2007 02:06:51 PM

Grimlock and Kickback by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	Apr 5th, 2007 02:23:47 PM
I guess (?) no one thinks those test videos on sector seven are that cool. I assumed we would be arguing as to why those suck as opposed to the "brilliant designs" in the "film" we are getting. Strange thing is, they look absolutely tight as shit - and they haven't even been "updated". No one talking shit as to why they don't work? I know I am alone save for a few, but, strictly on the topic of robot design, I think they work far, far better than the twisted scrapheaps we are getting. Matters not, since the movie is shot and the script sucks above and beyond reproach. But that's ok, since it will make tons of cash and all we lovers of flim really want are vapid, obnoxiously loud films. TINO is based on a toy after all.... I'll stick with the comics, thanksssssssssssss
Krack by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	Apr 5th, 2007 02:26:54 PM
You do know that Murphy wanted to do a G.I. Joe movie but opted for TF instead don't you? It's a matter of time.... Snake-Eyes speaks... ugh
I will name you Phil by Kloipy	Apr 5th, 2007 02:27:07 PM
and that is what you shall be called
Krack by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	Apr 5th, 2007 02:32:41 PM
Showed my wife that shit this morning. Her response? "Now I am not the TF fan that you are, but someone must explain to me in their infinite wisdom why those don't work and the shit I saw in that stupid trailer does? Those look so cool." Nice. I'd love an explaination about those videos (tests, teases, fuck you's to the fans, etc. etc.), however I will never know due to my refusal to spend a dime on this travesty (theatrically or on DVD). I've already spent many hours reading and bitching about it. That's enough.
PUSSY ON OPTIMUS: THE SAGA CONTINUES by Optimus Murphy	Apr 5th, 2007 02:32:50 PM
Prime must deploy roller from it.
Earth does not need Transformers by Kloipy	Apr 5th, 2007 02:36:45 PM
they aren't good for the environment. Al Gore said so in his upcoming film "an Inconvienient Truth about Transformers"
BSB, i remember by Kloipy	Apr 5th, 2007 02:41:51 PM
Jeff Goldblum took some herion while a dino went to manhatten and said "I have big head, and little arms" in a Corky from Life Goes On voice
remember the classic film Hideaway by Kloipy	Apr 5th, 2007 02:44:41 PM
Goldblum GENIUS!!!
Goldblum new voice of Optimus by Kloipy	Apr 5th, 2007 02:48:16 PM
talks until other robots rust
HAHAHAHAHAHA BSB by Kloipy	Apr 5th, 2007 02:51:57 PM
that day, and 9/11 will go down in history as days of weeping
drop Goldblum into a pit of steel boners by Kloipy	Apr 5th, 2007 02:53:55 PM
let him rot there
GINO GINO GINO GINO!!!! by Kloipy	Apr 5th, 2007 02:58:46 PM
Goldblum in name only
Goldblum as Prime by Jak0lantern01	Apr 5th, 2007 03:10:29 PM
Now..Now..Now...Uh....Megatron ....Now..Now.Now...Freedom iisss....uh...THE RIGHT OF....hand motions...ALL..S.S.SENTIANT BEINGS! YEAH.
Setting the record straight by TheAllSeeingEye	Apr 5th, 2007 03:25:24 PM
No one had ignored the sector seven movies..incase you hadn't noticed half 95% of the talkback has disappeared so just to recap. The sector seven videos are a little joke. They're very cool but if you seriously think that they represent a better design for a live action movie then you are off your head on some fantastical drug that I would love to get hold of. Can you give me your dealers number? Like i said to Superninja, who didn't seem to argue, it's cool for a short promo clip, but if anything it's a clear answer as to why the original designs won't work. You complain that all anyone cares about is GIANT FUCKING ROBOTS blowing shit up. It sounds like to me like you wanna see GIANT FUCKING TOYS blow shit up.
Yes the clips were cool by Jak0lantern01	Apr 5th, 2007 03:31:49 PM
but in terms of design, there's really no point to argue because they were in their alt-mode, not robo-mode. The alt-modes in this movie are REAL cars, just different models, so it's really impossible to say the dinobot or insecticon were better, really, just because they were identical to the cartoon/comic/toy. It guess.
I don't think it's the fact that Murphy changed his by Jak0lantern01	Apr 5th, 2007 03:52:12 PM
mind, I think it just demonstrates his level of impotence before the real Hollywood heavyweights. He's kinda like Morrie from 'Goodfellas'. He comes up with this great robbery idea, gets sidelined, then gets an icepick to the back of the head by the real mob guys. Now, I'm not condoning using an icepick on him or anything, I just needed some kind of analogy here.
Then Krack by TheAllSeeingEye	Apr 5th, 2007 03:53:14 PM
You're an imbecile. And for the record, the citroen commercial certainly does bear a resemblance to the movie designs; you're just too stupid to see it or don't want to see it. Which is really indicative of every single one of your posts so far. Infact, you don't make any points at all really do you? Superninja, Yackbacker and even Phategod all can debate their opinions but you, on the other hand, can't really put any point across other than you're a child.
Yeh you'd quote him by TheAllSeeingEye	Apr 5th, 2007 03:55:11 PM
...just like you'd be quick to point how you were schooled on gobots, how you're a hypocrite wanting a gobot toy even though they sucked etc...unfortunately for you the talkback will be back..so we'll have the whole gag reel of every single one of your rediculous posts again. Bravo!!
Ouch by Phategod2	Apr 5th, 2007 03:58:33 PM
I do remember SN saying that S(he) liked those designs better then the current I have not watched the Grimlock or kickback short yet so I can't comment. OH and I DO condone the use of a Icepick on D. 2 C's.
As i recall by TheAllSeeingEye	Apr 5th, 2007 04:03:43 PM
...his response to my post was that they were cool, he may indeed prefer them since the current ones piss him off so much, but i think even he could see that they wouldn't work as the basis for a full movie since, they're the toys. And they were brief clips.
So did GM have total control in picking cars for bots? by GibsonUSA Returns	Apr 5th, 2007 04:04:22 PM
Did GM sign a check and hence have total and complete control in picking the vehicle assignments? No one could say "Nah, Camaro doesn't suit Bumblebee"? So basically, the looks of the Autobots, loved by millions, were totally decided quantitatively by some GM bean counter looking to push out certain new vehicles?? "Okay, we need to move the new Solstice, the new Topkick, and prep the Camaro for 09....THESE WILL BE THE NEW TRANSFORMERS!!" Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo !!!!!
The vehicle changes aren't really a big deal by Jak0lantern01	Apr 5th, 2007 04:06:37 PM
After the inital shock, I'm over it. It's more the robot designs that still bugs me. At least they could have gotten Starscream right. The seekers were just way too iconic to mess with they way they do in this movie, I don't care how cool they say the character is going to be.
OK, so maybe the icepick is a good idea....... by Jak0lantern01	Apr 5th, 2007 04:16:49 PM
Any takers? J/K.
Kloipy, given that a certain percentage of the by superninja	Apr 5th, 2007 04:19:57 PM
population has already broken the law to come here, it is no surprise they flaunt the law in other areas.
Grimlock looks killer and it makes the rest of by superninja	Apr 5th, 2007 04:23:13 PM
the designs look pretty embarassing. Grimlock looks like a Transformer, he looks as realistic as the fake realism. The Kickback design is fine - in fact such a change would be appropriate in terms of size I would have no complaints.
You can't back track Krack by TheAllSeeingEye	Apr 5th, 2007 04:26:32 PM
You said GoBots "sucked" and in the next breath said you wanted 2 of em....i dunno but, when i was a kid, i didn't want shit toys. MASK was a shit cartoon and toy range. The only thing that ever came on par with Transformers was Thundercats. With a supposed movie adaption of that, i cannot wait to read the talkbacks for that one. "The characters don't look catty enough", or "Tigras tits are too small" or some other shit.
Fix that.. by TheAllSeeingEye	Apr 5th, 2007 04:27:32 PM
Not tigra..that was the dude cat. Cheetara was the chick. So make that last one "cheetaras tits too small" and for luck, "tigras codpiece isn't big enough".
The Gobots did suck by Jak0lantern01	Apr 5th, 2007 04:29:04 PM
If TF's were for kids, Gobots were for babies. Suckage, pure suckage.
There screwing up Thundercats with a new Cartoon by Phategod2	Apr 5th, 2007 04:30:16 PM
YUP YUP
So what you are saying then.. by TheAllSeeingEye	Apr 5th, 2007 04:30:33 PM
Is you want a 2 hour summer blockbuster that features transforming toys? Seriously, saying it's cool is one thing, saying you'd seriously suggest that for a movie totally undermines ANY credibility you have.
Then i suggest Jack0lantern by TheAllSeeingEye	Apr 5th, 2007 04:31:42 PM
You tell that to Krack..since he's the only person here who said he wanted not one, but two of the figures...
Thundercats... by TheAllSeeingEye	Apr 5th, 2007 04:34:32 PM
Are coming back in a massive way. More so than Transformers did. Everywhere I go I see people wearing T-Shirts with the emblem on the front. Didn't know about a new cartoon; i remembered reading about a live action adaption and thinking how shit it'd look. I mean, people dressed as cats..fuck that shit. Besides, Anderew Lloyd Weber made the musical already....
Now they're gonna be by Phategod2	Apr 5th, 2007 04:37:34 PM
a Rock band that solve mysteries in present day earth lead by ther road manager Snarf. THIS IS NOT A JOKE. REPEAT NOT A JOKE.
Krack... by TheAllSeeingEye	Apr 5th, 2007 04:44:32 PM
You seem to be incapable of reading. Maybe if I type slower...I've never, ever said GoBots were as popular as Transformers...ever. I simply pointed out the two franchises merged and despite your views that they sucked, they certainly had their fans. For example, there's a Freddie Prinzr Jnr fanclub; GoBots rank higher than he does. As for Thundercats, i think you'll find that alot of kids watched that show. More than you seem to believe anyway. It ran for a while and it also had a comic; if i remember right it ran partially IN the UK Transformers comics as one of their 'guest stories'. Anyway, Thundercats are huge. Transformers huge? Not sure. Why not do that google thing you did yesterday and let us know.
See my previous post by TheAllSeeingEye	Apr 5th, 2007 04:48:38 PM
Do you suffer from Dyslexia? Do my words appear jumbled? Or are you just too lazy to read a post properly and skim them for words you recognize? Try to keep up will you? If you can't, maybe you can get your Nephew on here to make the point for you.
I expect Star Wars to score that high... by TheAllSeeingEye	Apr 5th, 2007 04:59:15 PM
It's iconic beyond belief. I wouldn't be surprised if Trek comes in fairly close to that. Amazing really what people look for. Jenna Jameson is the most googled/searched for person on the internet apparently. David Hasslehoff is the second. Which is why Pipex Internet runs advertisements for ADSL with the Hoff instead of Jenna. Personally, i'd prefer Jenna.
No i never said that at all... by TheAllSeeingEye	Apr 5th, 2007 05:02:37 PM
When the talkback is restored we can go through it. You claimed that gobots sucked. Fair enough. In the same breath you said you wanted 2 of them. At no time did i suggest that your desire to own two toys that supposedly sucked was indicative of their popularity with mainstream audiences. You were the one arguing they weren't popular because they sucked...i simply said, there were people out there that did like them, that Hasbro bought the licence and they couldn't really suck that much if they made you want 2 of em? If you don't like mexican food, you don't order Burritos for lunch my friend.
Don't do it anchorite! by Childe Roland	Apr 5th, 2007 05:04:47 PM
Your pride in your heritage and religion is one of your very few endearing qualities. If you became a Catholic, you'd be just another Christian hypocrite. Don't let Jeff Goldblum do that to you.
Transformer Talkbacks: The Movie by Phategod2	Apr 5th, 2007 05:09:15 PM
Jeff Goldblum as wcoop893. Oh I forgot to mention that it seems this site received PFD.(Partial Fucking destruction)
BSB you can't convert by Phategod2	Apr 5th, 2007 05:28:13 PM
But we can have JG play you in the movie. but Charlie Sheen will play your previous alias ;)
You're one to talk of credibility. It's just a design by superninja	Apr 5th, 2007 05:41:37 PM
it has nothing to do with toys. It looks like a freakin robotic dino, every bit as valid as the overcomplicated fake realism of the designs we have now.
Screw John Carter Harry heres your movie right here by Phategod2	Apr 5th, 2007 05:42:28 PM
handful of angry nerds Occasional flamers, Don Murphy Sycophants, Micheal Bay "fans", Political Dicussions on the relativity between Optimus Primes paint scheme and his patriotism, GM marketing schemes, John Waynes Racial biggotry, Youtube movies, bad jokes, good jokes, learning the gender of your favorite TB'er. These Transformer TB's are full of more gravitas then 2 seasons of 24.
Thundercats? Transformers never really went away by superninja	Apr 5th, 2007 05:44:26 PM
so how could it come back? I like the Thundercats designs and the overall premise, though get rid of the twins. He-Man is also having a comeback as well - everything 80s is.
Phategod2, you forgot one group..... by Jak0lantern01	Apr 5th, 2007 05:46:55 PM
the wetbacks.
I'm sorry by Jak0lantern01	Apr 5th, 2007 05:47:21 PM
I know, I'm evil
Everyone hates Wiley Kit and Wiley Kat. by superninja	Apr 5th, 2007 05:49:19 PM
That is something we can all agree on.
what was more annoying by Phategod2	Apr 5th, 2007 05:56:20 PM
THe twins,Snarf or Rover Bill(the bears that sounded like speak and spells.)
The Rover Bills are cool because they could by superninja	Apr 5th, 2007 06:03:10 PM
be kind of subversive. I actually like Snarf, although his purpose is to be annoying much like Orko in He-Man. Wiley Kit and Kat are like the Wondertwins, though - NO EXCUSE.
my episodes wher Lion-O's trials by Phategod2	Apr 5th, 2007 06:11:25 PM
Where he had to fight or beat each Thuderkat at there own skill. THe one I didn't buy into the show Is the Fact Lion-O had no real bond between the Twins hell the where same age basically I think they might have been older. you figure they have had more in common.
How come there was never a by Phategod2	Apr 5th, 2007 06:12:54 PM
Silverhawks crossover episode.
Even in the future, we hate Wiley Kit/Kat by Dorothys Taint Again	Apr 5th, 2007 06:17:10 PM
for generations to come they will remain the scorn of Thundercats. Replign machine, ho!
My favorite episode were Lion-O's trials by Phategod2	Apr 5th, 2007 06:17:35 PM
I swear this server is causing spelling errors.
If they make a movie Panthro by Phategod2	Apr 5th, 2007 06:20:55 PM
should be Badass and have his Nunchukus but you Hollywood will mess around and have him Played by Alan Cummings and Lion-O will be collin ferrell.
Yeah, I liked that one. Actually I think the show by superninja	Apr 5th, 2007 06:23:21 PM
holds up well overall. One thing I'd like them to ditch is that Lion-O is the same age as the twins - he can be younger, but not a kid in an adult body. Having an adult voice actor pretend to be a kid is always creepy. It would just be better if the twins could never grow up and have to live with that torture for the rest of their lives.
I wondered about a Silverhawks crossover, Phate by Puddleglum	Apr 5th, 2007 06:23:54 PM
It's been so long since I've seen any Silverhawks (though I bet YouTube could probably fix that), but I seem to remember thinking they "looked" and felt" much like Thundercats. By the way, I seriously hope you're kidding (even though you said you weren't) about the new Thundercats cartoon. It just won't be done right, regardless. My tribute to easter http://roosterchum.blogspot.co m/2005/03/veruca-says.html
Ninja.. by TheAllSeeingEye	Apr 5th, 2007 06:24:07 PM
If you can't see that the Grimlock in that video is modelled on the friggin toy then really, you're not looking very hard. Seeing what you want to see? I think so...
Ving Rhames should be Panthro. by superninja	Apr 5th, 2007 06:27:37 PM
Heath Ledger as Lion-O. Saffron Burrows as Cheetara. Gary Oldman as Mumm-Ra. Actually, I don't know that we need a Thundercats live action movie. Where is info about this new animated series?
Eye, I just find it ironic that you've been arguing by superninja	Apr 5th, 2007 06:28:42 PM
the whole time it's based on toys but now that doesn't work for you. Interesting. Also, it looks cool and imaginative the way it is shot, the whole bit.
Just look at that shot above. Are you telling by superninja	Apr 5th, 2007 06:29:30 PM
me that looks more imaginative than a frame of Grimlock? I think that would be hard to argue.
If they do live-action He-Man or Thundercats it by superninja	Apr 5th, 2007 06:30:52 PM
needs to be done like Sky Captain. No more of this "set on Earth" crap.
4) Is incorrect. They are searching for the mystical by superninja	Apr 5th, 2007 06:52:32 PM
MacGuffin which is all-powerful and gives life to mechanical things (sort of an impersonal god force). Cybertron is still possibly completely obliterated (it was in the draft script). Energon cubes were not a MacGuffin as it was a continuous fuel supply they were fighting over and is integral to the story.
9. Bumblebee is yellow by MrJJonz	Apr 5th, 2007 07:00:47 PM
Hulk is green and so is the mighty Kermit the frog
Three of the human characters are based loosely by superninja	Apr 5th, 2007 07:04:16 PM
on Spike Witwicky, his father, and Carly. Frenzy is an audio device.
2 & 3 by MrJJonz	Apr 5th, 2007 07:05:33 PM
The names are the same . . .hence TINO
Potentially the female computer genius could be by superninja	Apr 5th, 2007 07:11:02 PM
a riff on Circuit Breaker. The agent played by Tuturro a riff on Walter Barnett from the comics.
Holy Shit! by Jak0lantern01	Apr 5th, 2007 07:11:11 PM
Just flipping through channels and O'Reilly and Geraldo were just screaming at each other over an illegal who DWI'd and killed someone (I stopped to see if it was about Bob Clark, it was not). The two of them were almost nose to nose. Funny shit.
That news about Thundercats was in a Coaxial by Phategod2	Apr 5th, 2007 07:16:27 PM
about 2 months ago.
Maybe I did take a look at that. Must've not by superninja	Apr 5th, 2007 07:19:52 PM
been anything interesting or I would remember, right? ;)
Heres a link to a cooresponding blog by Phategod2	Apr 5th, 2007 07:27:26 PM
http://tinyurl.com/36vgk8
Wrestlers get bigger but Liono by MrJJonz	Apr 5th, 2007 07:33:31 PM
gets all slim. Costume alteration I don't mind but that just ain't Liono.
LionO been Micheal Bayed by Phategod2	Apr 5th, 2007 07:36:10 PM
Meant,to fit into one persons interpretation of reality.
So now Lion-O looks like the girly anime boys. by superninja	Apr 5th, 2007 07:42:06 PM
Gosh that look is so tired, I like it when characters looked like grown men. I liked him beefy.
Although I kind of dig the design on the face by superninja	Apr 5th, 2007 07:43:59 PM
and the ears, looks less clownish. Get that boy something to eat!
That slim boy look is surely now by MrJJonz	Apr 5th, 2007 07:45:20 PM
as up to date as flames on a vehicle. Actually can never remember being impressed by flames being on a truck . . .and before someone comes on saying I only hate this film cos of the flames . . .No it is not true and I really don't care about the flames on Optimus but am curious as to the whole idea behind flames on vehicles being "cool"
It can be fine on a very retro vehicle. But I must say by superninja	Apr 5th, 2007 07:48:05 PM
flames immediately invoke white trash to me.
Maybe on '60's hotrod type thing by MrJJonz	Apr 5th, 2007 07:50:51 PM
and I'm not american so excuse me on the decade and hotrod thing . . .but flames on a car made from the '80's onwards never mind a truck? What the deuce??
It's an amalgam of retro with trash pop culture. by superninja	Apr 5th, 2007 07:52:34 PM
Its inappropriate use of nostalgia if you ask me. Bay is a top offender as well in this category.
Yea, it looks cool by David Lazarus Long	Apr 5th, 2007 08:17:15 PM
and shoot me for saying it, but I just. don't. get. the flames. It's just so, so, SO lame. I'm sure I won't care about them when Optimus is ripping along whupping some serious Decepticon tail. But every still shot makes me want to vom in my shoes. Tell me halfway through he gets a paintjob to gunmetal black and goes psycho on Megatron. Is that too much to ask? ...probably.
And his head looks like by David Lazarus Long	Apr 5th, 2007 08:18:04 PM
Mega Man. o_O;;
What does Spider-Man think of those pics? by Johnno	Apr 5th, 2007 08:49:53 PM
http://tinyurl.com/yptkfq
somehow, i like the paint job. it might be too boringif by wcoop893	Apr 5th, 2007 08:59:37 PM
it was just red or blue, but who knows. it sounds really retarted though when you say it out loud, "optimus prime has flames painted on him", but i think i like them, from the robot mode pic anyways.
CockHole, Flames, Hugo Weaving by Phategod2	Apr 5th, 2007 09:05:31 PM
Do you think Mcheal Bay is trying to Tell us something. Maybe Singer isn't the only one hiding gay subtext in his movies.
Bay isn't gay, he put a PUSSY ON OPTIMUS by Optimus Murphy	Apr 5th, 2007 09:20:27 PM
Only a straight man would put a vagina on a CG male robot, y'know so he could fuck it.
Thundercats was geh by Jak0lantern01	Apr 5th, 2007 09:25:35 PM
I dunno, for some reason, TF's was the only cartoon (well, maybe also GI Joe) that seemed slightly above the usual kiddy fare. Perhaps it was the level of violence to begin with. Well that explains a lot.....
Megatron looks like the Fortress of Solitude. by GibsonUSA Returns	Apr 5th, 2007 09:30:20 PM
Hope Superman doesnt mistakenly fly up his ass or something.
Megatron looks like the Fortress of Solitude. by GibsonUSA Returns	Apr 5th, 2007 09:31:32 PM
Hope Superman doesnt mistakenly fly up his ass or something.
wcoop by MrJJonz	Apr 5th, 2007 09:36:02 PM
the original red and blue would be boring but now they have put flames on it???????? Hang your head sir. I don't have a problem with flames, I really just don't understand when in the last 30 years they have been "cool" or add interest. It is a fairly insignificant decal. The Optimus in the picture above doesn't look too bad - maybe a little slim to me . . but the other thing attacking him seems too busy . . and ueah I think this is treading old ground but I can't really tell what is what on it
Dont you know about the American values by Phategod2	Apr 5th, 2007 09:54:43 PM
subtext that went with the red and blue color scheme. Or Union Jack values depending on you background.
SuperNinja by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	Apr 5th, 2007 10:01:12 PM
Glad you're still here lady. Grimlock looks like a mechanized dino to me. Toy looking or not, still looks better than the shit we are getting. Masterpiece versions would have been just dandy. Script is still shit, so the disigns are moot. Did you ever partake in the Thundercats comics DC/Wildstorm produced starting back in 2000? Dogs of War with Lion-O as an old man was cool. Thoughts? If you read them that is...
I see TFD payed a visit around 4am. by S-Mart shopper	Apr 5th, 2007 10:13:27 PM
and Thundercats:The Movie has been cast, again.
Krack by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	Apr 5th, 2007 10:13:37 PM
You crack me up. Sorry. "How to fuck up a license to print money" Come on, morons will flock to see this. Bayformers will own. This could have been so good. Even passable. Instead, we are treated to something vapid and obnoxious.
Mon*Star Vs. Mumm-ra by Phategod2	Apr 5th, 2007 10:46:18 PM
Who wins? don't care just put Mike Bay in the middle.
HeWho, I didn't read Dogs of War, but I read by superninja	Apr 5th, 2007 10:49:03 PM
some of them released prior and I didn't like them. Basically, they just perved it up without making the story any more interesting (Kit and Kat as Mumm-Ra's ahem, persona slaves? Ick) or just left it EXACTLY like the cartoon. Transformers fared far better as did GI Joe. Also, I felt some of the He-Man comics based on the revamped cartoon were pretty nicely done. I kept defending 80s comics and the concepts of the toons on the @$$hole talkbacks but then most of them proved me wrong!
Also, the TF / GI Joe crossover drawn by Jae Lee by superninja	Apr 5th, 2007 10:50:13 PM
was excellent. Loved it, mostly for the art, but the story was okay, too.
Did Monstarr have a type of Lazarus Pit by superninja	Apr 5th, 2007 10:52:43 PM
like Mumm-Ra? I can't remember.
Grimlock looks as if the animated Grimlock by superninja	Apr 5th, 2007 11:02:48 PM
were real. It's not as complicated as they make it out to be. Masterpiece as the inspiration is fine - if they wanted to round out the edges and move the colors around, no big deal.
Someone remind me to watch this when I get home by Phategod2	Apr 5th, 2007 11:04:01 PM
What do I need to do to see this Grimlock and kickback footage.
Phate, you just go to Sector Seven and by superninja	Apr 5th, 2007 11:07:51 PM
click on the red hard drive in the upper left corner and then it gives you three shorts.
Krack A IGN poll show not much interest by Phategod2	Apr 5th, 2007 11:21:59 PM
When polled in which people were more interested in TF or SM3 SM# was winning by 65%+
I dub Krak the new BSB by Phategod2	Apr 5th, 2007 11:52:44 PM
Your Jibs crack me up man. but serious Hollywood be a hell of alot safer making a JSA movie. they better include my screen name inspiration Dr. fate.
Krack by superninja	Apr 6th, 2007 12:04:56 AM
Let's not start handing ideas out like candy, now!
Monstarr FTW by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	Apr 6th, 2007 12:26:23 AM
Well, I thought the Thundercats comics were fun. He-Man was sick and the Reiber/Lee TF/G.I. Joe WWII Elseworld story was the absolute shit. BofP was great. Love those Ross covers. I appreciate your reply anyway Superninja. I am a simple man. I am clearly easily pleased, and yet this movie does nothing for me. It could have, but... That Silverhawks theme song is ridicuously catchy. Not so much a good thing.
Transformers vs. Grindhouse as fun theater experiences by moto	Apr 6th, 2007 12:38:17 AM
Wrote this at Moriarty's Grindhouse review and thought it fitting. Talking about enjoying Transformers as nothing more than a fun theater experience vs. watching Grindhouse the same way. " I'll go so far as to bring up fanboys' hate for Transformers. Even when people like me say, "Hey, I just wanna go to a fun flick and see robots fucking transform and kickass", fanboys scream "If that's all you want, then you're part of the problem of Hollywood making shitty movies." Well my friends, if you're against Transformers and hold that opinion against people who do want to just have a blast seeing it, and then go against anyone that talks down to GRINDHOUSE basically as being nothing more than big names making a vanity piece on shitty movies, then you my friends ARE hypocrits. Sorry to say. "B-but... it's different with Grindhouse. It's QT. It's an homage to..." .., an homage to, shitty movies. Hey, I'm not ripping on people that will have a fun theater experience. Nothing wrong with that at all. Fun is good. But it's just funny to see A) What HYPE AICN can create on movies that they even admit are crappy, and B) How when the tables are turned on certain TBers (i.e. Transformers vs. Grindhouse support), the justifications that they stand by for one film doesn't really apply to any others that they aren't looking forward to. "But with Transformers we're talking about source material that stems from our childhood... yada yada yada". I'm not talking about that (I'm a HUGE fan of G1). I'm talking about a general movie going fun experience.. which can happen just as much with Transformers as with Grindhouse.
All of the 80s stuff was. I still remember the by superninja	Apr 6th, 2007 12:38:34 AM
songs to all of them. I was really hoping the 80s stuff would live up to the potential of the concepts, and almost all of them failed in my opinion. Although again, I thought the MOTU stories were very well crafted - better than the actual cartoon, I think. (Except for Teela, who they ruined by anime-ing her and making her seem even younger and angrier than she was even in the cartoon.) I think the guys who did the comics had put up a black and white pencilled comic online YEARS ago that was AWESOME and now of course it is nowhere to be found. They were Italian guys and basically had He-Man and Skeletor disappearing in a last battle and their return to Eternia story opens narrated by an older and wiser Orko who reveals that He-Man has somehow returned to Eternia, grizzled and being not quite the legend he left as. Teela is the Sorceress and was left to hold things together and married King Hiss to keep him from breaching Grayskull. Anyway, it was really beautifully done and they never finished it.
Wonder Woman also needs assless chaps by superninja	Apr 6th, 2007 12:41:37 AM
and an Aerosmith song to go with all of her action sequences.
Making an homage to crappy movies does not by superninja	Apr 6th, 2007 12:45:30 AM
mean the homage is supposed to be crappy, moto.
Yeah but, by moto	Apr 6th, 2007 12:50:53 AM
If you read the reviews thus far, pretty much everyone says that yeah, both Grindhouse movies are ridiculous and bad (just because it's on purpose is no excuse... that's a cop out). The only thing that really sells the double feature is that it's a fun theater experience.
Being really bad on purpose takes its own by superninja	Apr 6th, 2007 12:53:46 AM
kind of cleverness to be successful. It sounds like the reviews I've read suggest that they are in actuality bad films with a few fun parts.
That's not what I'm talking about... by moto	Apr 6th, 2007 12:54:03 AM
Krack (great name by the way, classic)... although what you're saying makes sense. I'm talking about those of us that have gotten over the changes, good or bad, and are just saying, "I want it to just be a fun, badass theater experience despite what changes have been made". What's wrong with that?
Tarantino has made a career off of good/bad movies. by superninja	Apr 6th, 2007 12:56:41 AM
That is pretty much his schtick, same with Rodriguez.
I'll see Grindhouse for two reasons... by moto	Apr 6th, 2007 12:57:02 AM
Like I said on the other post. Kurt Russell and Michael Biehn. Love those guys. They should be working more. Alwsy wondered why Biehn didn't go A-List after Terminator, Aliens, Abyss, etc. I heard he was a drunk... and maybe that's why he didn't get hired more often. But who knows.
Um, by moto	Apr 6th, 2007 01:06:08 AM
Superman sequel is greenlit with Singer attached to direct again... production to start in '08.
Here's a good Grindhouse review: by superninja	Apr 6th, 2007 01:06:49 AM
http://filmfreakcentral.net/sc reenreviews/grindhouse.htm
The Hulk is getting a sequel as well. Because by superninja	Apr 6th, 2007 01:09:42 AM
it will make money, they know comic book movies make bank, even the bad ones.
But again, that's not what i'm talking about by moto	Apr 6th, 2007 01:10:22 AM
... I was just referring to those that support Grindhouse as nothing more than a fun moviegoing experience, and then turn around and chastise those that say the same thing about Transformers. I totally agree with you as far as need for quality goes.
That leads to the argument... by moto	Apr 6th, 2007 01:18:19 AM
... of, "Is Bay disrespecting the fan core base, or are he and Spielberg making changes to appeal to the masses"? If they are making those kind of changes, which I believe they are, that's not necessarily a bad thing as far as making a kickass action packed fun ride. Then again, that is THE big debate here that NO ONE will win:) I see your point. Totally. And agree for the most part. But then it leads to, well, if you don't go see the movie, then how will you TRULY know it's bad? Unless you rely on others to say what's good and bad. Or you rely on box office numbers. Etc. Fact is, not seeing a movie isn't going to somehow change the way studios think. They want to make money. That's it. No escaping that. You take what you can get. Sometimes it pays off for you as a viewer, sometimes not. But there'll always be shit.
I knew that wasn't your point, moto. I was just by superninja	Apr 6th, 2007 01:19:01 AM
commenting on how they seem to greenlight comic book sequels even if they don't do expected BO. You won't find me applying double standards for Grindhouse and TF.
Krack, by moto	Apr 6th, 2007 01:21:57 AM
The budget is set. His schedule is set. The Superman offices at WB are just as active as they were before SR went into production. It's a go.
Yeah! by moto	Apr 6th, 2007 01:24:40 AM
Cameron would have been awesome. Oh well. He would have been awesome for Spider-Man too.
I wonder what would happen if Tarantino could by superninja	Apr 6th, 2007 01:26:12 AM
restrain himself enough for 5 minutes to make an all-ages movie? Would he ever stoop so low? Hahahah....
LOL by moto	Apr 6th, 2007 01:31:16 AM
I would LOVE for Tarantino to return to storytelling ala RD and Pulp. Just to see him tackle something original again. He's talented... just misdirected.
I just think he is getting repetitive thematically by superninja	Apr 6th, 2007 01:34:56 AM
despite changing the scenery around. He should try to make a mature film for once. I mean reviewers that like the film are comparing the girl dialogue in Death Proof to ripping off Reservoir Dogs. Not good to become self-parody.
Yes, and he will get drunk in the sequel, because by superninja	Apr 6th, 2007 01:38:51 AM
that's what comes after unsuccessful stalking. It's tough to be a baby's daddy!
LOL Krack by moto	Apr 6th, 2007 01:40:11 AM
Actually, that costume was taken partially from the popular 40s (or was it 50s?) animated Superman movies. Darker tones, etc. Early Superman comics had a darker suit like that too.
Yeah, but THAT Superman could fill out the suit. by superninja	Apr 6th, 2007 01:42:14 AM
He was hunky, unlike the rather anime looking Mr. Routh.
He will get the five o clock and drink an entire by superninja	Apr 6th, 2007 01:45:51 AM
distillery and then drunkenly spin the planet backwards and have to redo Superman Returns but correcting for all of his non-super behavior. It will be called Superman Reverses. Then the sequel - Superman Forward.
No comment by moto	Apr 6th, 2007 01:46:59 AM
;) But I liked Routh
Peter Cullen in an interview with Gamestop: by Doc_Strange	Apr 6th, 2007 01:48:15 AM
GS: Earlier you mentioned that your method for approaching characters is based on their physiology. With the redesign of Optimus for the game, has that affected how you've approached him this time around? PC: No, not at all. I've maintained the consistency of the character regardless of the series, regardless of the first movie, regardless of the game and regardless of the July 4th opening for the movie. No, Optimus is Optimus and he's not going to change under any circumstances. Because he's worked so well, it's evident that the character has engineered such a great attraction and followers that it would be an injustice to change him. I couldn't imagine doing that.
There is a chance I would've accepted Routh on by superninja	Apr 6th, 2007 01:48:17 AM
his own merits and not as Reeve's Superman. Wow, was that stupid. But I would still never buy him as a grown man, he looks like a teenager.
Too bad they changed the appearance of the character by Doc_Strange	Apr 6th, 2007 01:49:18 AM
I wonder if Mr. Cullen knows how much they screwed up his character.
Cullen is probably glad for the work obviously by superninja	Apr 6th, 2007 01:50:13 AM
he likes Optimus, too. :)
I hate Superman Returns more than the coming TF by superninja	Apr 6th, 2007 01:51:22 AM
tragedy. I think I even hate it more than the prequels. That movie is hate letter to Superman, it's like if the UniBomber made a Superman movie! LOL.
They should ask any filmmaker who wants by superninja	Apr 6th, 2007 01:52:54 AM
to develop a comic-to-film property if they have a Post Modern worldview and if they say yes, they should not hire them. Only if they want them to make a movie about how much they hate the character and everything they stand for, if so - hire away!
Wait here's another one, which proves our point: by Doc_Strange	Apr 6th, 2007 01:55:25 AM
GS: Okay, so final question. What do you think gives the Transformers such a lasting appeal? PC: I think it was the first [series] to break away from the ordinary--things we had seen that gave your generation an opportunity to imagine far beyond anything else that was out there... In the game you're going to find that you're being led down that imaginary path that you could only watch when you were a kid, but now you can participate in and actually become a part of the form and function of the plot and the outcome. There was that needle in the haystack and the writers [on Transformers], they were brilliant and they found it. And I think it has lasted so many, many years, simply because of its imagination and some of the little messages that come out of it. The writers are amazing. They're just fantastic. What great imagination.
I agree... by moto	Apr 6th, 2007 02:00:42 AM
On the lois casting. Not my favorite pic. Could have been worse though. Kate from Lost would have been cool in a way. BUT, regarding the Kryptonite thing? He recharged himself when he used the last of his energy to fly into the sky above the storm and soaked up all the sun rays.
The film is just all-round stupid except for by superninja	Apr 6th, 2007 02:02:53 AM
the plane rescue. I hate the stuff with Jor-El also because it's beating a dead horse with the actor, but too obsessive about Kryptonian heritage. He is raised on Earth, he knows who his birth parents are, he's met other Kryptonians (they were assholes) get over it already.
But by moto	Apr 6th, 2007 02:07:01 AM
this is funny. But, he went from the extreme sun rays, recharged, went well under the ocean bottom, dug up enough protection between him and the kryptonite, and used all of his strength to fly it into space. But as he did, the protection was breaking away and expsoing the kryptonite, thus he falls to earth. Can't believe I just wrote all that.
Moto, that is a compelling arguement, much by superninja	Apr 6th, 2007 02:09:11 AM
like He-Man unable to lift a boulder without a hernia, but a minute later pulls two land masses together without a grunt. Does Supes recharge that fast? I don't know but it wasn't very convincing.
Hee hee by moto	Apr 6th, 2007 02:13:37 AM
I know. I can't believe I'm trying to rationalize it. But there's a visual where he's up in the stratosphere, with arms back soaking up the light.
BAYFORMERS = You will believe a robot by superninja	Apr 6th, 2007 02:23:07 AM
can chase a pair of eye glasses halfway across the universe!
Moto, you are right of course. I mean, I'm sure by superninja	Apr 6th, 2007 02:24:12 AM
they nerd-proof it, probably did a focus group at DC messageboards. ;)
Was that... by moto	Apr 6th, 2007 02:25:06 AM
A Hudsucker Proxy line, Krack?!
BAYFORMERS = We were going to call by superninja	Apr 6th, 2007 02:25:49 AM
the Matrix of Leadership the Cosmic Key, but realized that fans might confuse this with the absolutely stellar Master of the Universe plot MacGuffin of the same name!
lol by moto	Apr 6th, 2007 02:25:59 AM
.
If only those were Clark Kent's glasses. by GibsonUSA Returns	Apr 6th, 2007 02:26:49 AM
Now THAT'd make for a movie!
Hudsucker is what made me wish the Coen Bros. by superninja	Apr 6th, 2007 02:30:21 AM
would do an adaptation of Superman For All Seasons.
Actually, someone should get Bay to do a by superninja	Apr 6th, 2007 02:32:08 AM
Mighty Thor movie and then do a documentary about the production which would be 1,000,000 times more entertaining than the actual film.
If the Autobots & Decepticons look like scrap metal.... by GibsonUSA Returns	Apr 6th, 2007 02:33:11 AM
....what will the Junkions look like?
Must See Movie! by moto	Apr 6th, 2007 02:33:42 AM
Awesome. I'm not usually a Coen Bros. fan besides Proxy and Fargo. His big idea to make it big is sold by him drawing a circle and saying, "You know, for kids." It's a hoolahup
superman for all seasons by drave117	Apr 6th, 2007 02:33:46 AM
Oh man, that would be AWESOME! Plus, Amy Archer from Hudsucker Proxy? She was the best Lois Lane ever put to film. By far.
Actually if Kevin Smith were actually funny or by superninja	Apr 6th, 2007 02:33:58 AM
talented, he could do a This Is Spinal Tap version of a comics-to-film production.
The Coen Bros. could definitely capture the by superninja	Apr 6th, 2007 02:37:40 AM
look and feel, make it a little off-kilter. I might worry they'd make Supes come across as a simpleton, though, they seem to like that character.
Valkeries that ride monster trucks and sing by superninja	Apr 6th, 2007 02:38:53 AM
the national anthem. Yeaaaahhhh.....
My prob with SR.... by Hairy Nutsack	Apr 6th, 2007 02:53:02 AM
The movie starts with a gigantic plot hole big enough to drive Hillbilly Prime through. Let's review, Jor-El told Reevesman that he had been dead for eons or millenia or something, anyway, a really long fucking time, cuz Clark was apparentely travelling at near lightspeed to get to Earth so it took that long to get here. Jump ahead to SR and Clark somehow made it to Krypton and back in 5 years.....WTF!?!? What's worse is that the Brando audio they re-used when Lex visits the Fortress repeats the eons/millenia thing, they fucking acknowledge the plothole in their own goddam movie!! Airplane rescue and the boat lift are the only things worth watching in the whole movie, although I have to admit the speech Clark gives Superboy at the end chokes me up a little because of my kids.
My god people... by disfigurehead	Apr 6th, 2007 06:01:13 AM
It's just giant freakin' robots fighting. How cool is this going to be?
G'Mornin' by Jak0lantern01	Apr 6th, 2007 06:23:05 AM
Let's start the day off right with a good ol' fashioned DAMN YOU MICHAEL BAY! Can't wait for this movie.
Spidey 3 production pix by Fecal Debris	Apr 6th, 2007 07:59:53 AM
Hey gang. I've stayed out of this TB, partly because with one month to go until it's release, I've got Spidey 3 on the brain. If you're interested, here's a couple pix I took last April 06 in Cleveland during second unit shooting of the armored bank truck sequence. SPOILER First pic shows Spidey slinging away from the accident scene, while the second reveals Sandman's stunt double on a ladder, where, oddly enough, he's the guy who yanks stunt-Spidey into the air. Plenty more where these came from. I volunteered giving all my photos to Harry and AICN last year, but I never got a response. http://tinyurl.com/2zc63b http://tinyurl.com/2dgn8m
'Bonecrusher'?? by majorbobhooters	Apr 6th, 2007 09:21:31 AM
Sounds too much like a WWF wrestler.
Hairy Nutsack by Smashing	Apr 6th, 2007 10:44:43 AM
Many years have passed since Kryptons destruction, the remains Superman went to visit where not stated to be in the same place as the original planet, given the force of the explosion and the fact that during the opening credits we see chinks of Krypton flying along with us it is safe to assume that its position has well and truly shifted. Also as revealed in the annual it was all a lie perpetuated by Luthor to take revenge against him and steal some years of his life in return for what Kal had done to him. I love SR the hate it garnered really shocked me, it is most assuredly consistent to its own internal logic, to the extent you can be with a story about a flying alien god.
I inadvertently made a racial slur in my last post. by Smashing	Apr 6th, 2007 10:55:44 AM
I obviously meant Chunks, my cheeks are red. I also just thought, during the opening credits we also see a fairly large piece of the former planet Krypton smash into a moon, could this be what the scientists where fooled into thinking was the remains of Krypton?. Anyway I love SR, stil, I wish other Supes fans could embrace it, it is cinematically frickin LOTR for superheros. Batman Begins is a brilliant Batman film but Superman returns is a brilliant Comic book movie, maybe the best ever, maybe it was too different?, oh and with Superman saying he would never leave and now being shown to do so it makes him flawed, imperfect and in my opinion much more interesting for it.
Anchorite regarding the story. by Smashing	Apr 6th, 2007 11:04:36 AM
LOTR also has a similar structure, allowing the action to flow with the characters action, not with words, a bit like a comic too. I loved Bosworth and disagree about Singer he is an amazing director and every moment of every scene has meaning. To compare SR to IV is just mean man and I wont touch it! I quite liked 3 though. I like he had a child out of wedlock, life happens to us all, also I like how if Clark had done his job and investigated the blackouts he could have saved himself a whole big job later on. I also think showing people being sad or hurt is not to be dismissed as emo, just human.
I hate Kingdom Come. by superninja	Apr 6th, 2007 12:24:13 PM
It's depressing! Hahha...Thanks Frank Miller and Alan Moore.
It would've helped if it was even remotely believable by superninja	Apr 6th, 2007 12:25:13 PM
we were watching a continuation of the Donner films. From the getgo - stupid idea.
There is a Harry Knowles character on the by superninja	Apr 6th, 2007 12:26:21 PM
cartoon Good Wilt Hunting. Perhaps it is a riff on the Simpsons Comic Book Guy, but that's a take on Knowles anyway.
I Personally Loved SR by subgeniuszero	Apr 6th, 2007 12:31:18 PM
And here's why: They treated Superman like a human being. Plus, that opening credit sequence: how fucking cool was that?! Just hearing that theme again rocked my world, and the trip through space was great fun, too. I thought Ottman's take on John William's themes was solid, unlike a lot of other people. The story arc felt very tight and complete to me. I believed everything I was seeing. Unlike a lot of people, I tend to forgive continuity flaws as long as what I'm being shown now is consistent with itself, and I thought SR was just that. The production design was beautiful, and the action sequences well done. They actually managed to generate some thrill for me. But that's just me; others feel differently, I know. Spacey, I thought, made a good Lex. He was menacing and evil and scary. They actually managed to make him bitter and petty, the way Lex ought to be (at least the Lex from the films, not the comics). I would have preferred the "humanist" Lex from the comics (where he believes in the human potential to aspire and achieve, and sees Superman as "cheating the system", so to speak), but I didn't get that, and I'm fine with it. All in all, I love the film, and would love to see Singer direct MAN OF STEEL. Just my essay-length two cents worth.
I'm not such a fan of Ross's work. I mean at by superninja	Apr 6th, 2007 12:41:43 PM
first glance it looks cool, but on second they look like a bunch of meaty gimps. I liked Marvels because of human story at the center, it actually invoked a sense of awe. It gets mega points for the Avengers sequence and Gwen Stacy in the rain during the Atlantian invasion. Those panels actually stuck with me long after I put it down. Now I admit Kingdom Come is a good story, but its sort of hateful toward the characters. As "the last JLA story" in Elseworlds is where it belongs. Frank Miller and Alan Moore made hating superheroes uber popular, so I put it on them. Although Alan Moore has done his time with his ABC line.
Also, Ross's women always look like drag queens. by superninja	Apr 6th, 2007 12:42:49 PM
His Wonder Woman is particularly offensive.
I am with you on Superman The Movie, anchorite. by superninja	Apr 6th, 2007 12:50:09 PM
You totally feel for Reeve's Superman, but he's a nice guy, he does the right thing even when he has to make difficult choices - that's who the character is. SR problem is that it acts like those values are passe, it doesn't think anyone cares about or can identify with that kind of thing anymore (any maybe they're right), however, that's the whole point of Superman. That's the heart of the character.
i liked that one large format Batman book Ross did by drave117	Apr 6th, 2007 12:51:56 PM
I particularly remember a shot of him exercising, and his back is totally covered with scars, and I was like "Yeah, it would be, wouldn't it? I wonder why other artists hardly ever think of that?"
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Has anyone else heard that Rodriguez left his by superninja	Apr 6th, 2007 01:04:12 PM
wife of 16 years for Rose McGowan?
TC and comic talk a refreshing change for TINO TB's by finky089	Apr 6th, 2007 01:05:33 PM
superninja, you are quite the wealth of info on geek fanfare. krak, drave, anchorite, Jak, etc, you've all brought a little civility to what's usually a drawn out slugfest of a talkback. How could you??!! Kidding. Perhaps yesterday's technical difficulties were a good thing afterall? Anyway, thanks for the good reading above, even though I don't have much to actively contribute.
drave, that is a great shot of Batman, however by superninja	Apr 6th, 2007 01:09:33 PM
would Batman really allow himself to get tagged that many times?
are you serious by Phategod1	Apr 6th, 2007 02:31:08 PM
about Rose and Robert?
You miss a lot of points by Smashing	Apr 6th, 2007 03:06:44 PM
That line was an includer for the rest of us who are not American but like Superman, it had nothing to do with being anti American and all to do with being aware that the world is sick of hearing America blow its own trumpets cinematic-ally whilst not espousing those values in the real world. As for stalking he is super powered, he could have listened to her from anywhere on earth, do you not understand the character? Anchorites reaction to the line is a perfect example of the narrow mindedness and anger that the rest of the world seems to find off putting.
I never liked the idea that Amazons were all by superninja	Apr 6th, 2007 03:07:01 PM
that butch, of course some of them could be - diversity and all. Their warrior culture is largely defensive in nature, they are isolated, there is no reason for them to be so overtly militaristic. Only as they have become more modernized have they become an island of overly aggressive large marges. Diana's powers are supernatural, they are not genetic. Diana should look about as butch as any other highly trained female in the DCU. Which basically means they should look like Bond women, tall, athletic, but very feminine (it's beauty of Aphrodite, not hermaphrodite, Mr Ross). My main issue with Ross's work (and I used to be a big fan when it first came out) is that you can tell he uses the same model, there is little differentiation. It becomes more noticable when you attempt realism. And his Wonder Woman looks like Mr. Ross used himself for the model. Rosie is way hotter than that, for shame, anchorite! Not to say I want them to look like that grrrl power ridiculousness, like Buffy. That was cute, like, ONCE and then everybody copied it and now it's super annoying. Almost as annoying as getting WB Abercrombie models to play grown superheroes.
And what is the American way now a days anyway? by Smashing	Apr 6th, 2007 03:09:56 PM
Bomb first ask questions under duress and torture later, with no legal recourse or representation?, hardly describes the big boy scout now does it, maybe you are angry because America no longer represents Superman and not the other way around?
So just because you're past all of the things by superninja	Apr 6th, 2007 03:10:03 PM
the character is about and stands for, the rest of us should be? Wrong way around, buddy. That is what attracted people worldwide to the Superman character to begin with, the fact that you and others cannot separate it from the America of today is revealing of your own prejudices. Singer would've been wiser to never bring it up to begin with, but it's a PoMo movie for a PoMo world.
Who is angry, Smashing? by superninja	Apr 6th, 2007 03:11:44 PM
It seems that you are. Superman doesn't represent the America of today, that is why these movies should take place heavily referenced to the time in which they were made and people should leave their modern interpretations of the character out of it, or they ruin it.
No they evolved the character by Smashing	Apr 6th, 2007 03:18:26 PM
You cant ruin character by giving depth or by paralleling reality, that's just grounding, I am not angry just as I said constantly surprised people cant see what a gem of a film Superman Returns is. Writers created Superman and it is there hands he lives, to say he cat do this or would not do that is to claim you know the character better than others, when others might just say you are not seeing the big picture. I am English and do not think I am in anyway past the things the character stands for, nor did I say that, I said that maybe America of today does not represent very well what Superman stands for.
Phate it was reported by Page Six, so who knows by superninja	Apr 6th, 2007 03:21:14 PM
but they did check with the spokesperson for Rodriguez and they said that the delays in the film were not due to his divorce, but whatever.
Superman Returns has very little to do with by superninja	Apr 6th, 2007 03:25:35 PM
the actual character of Superman it actually deconstructs him and destroys the myth which is very popular with filmmakers today.
make the world a better place.... by garin w. sparks	Apr 6th, 2007 03:31:55 PM
punch Michael Bay in the face!
I liked McGowan I wonder if shes now a homewrecker by Phategod2	Apr 6th, 2007 03:43:13 PM
Oh well who am I to judge? Now we have a political discussions involving the theme of superman (pulls up chair and grabs popcorn)
But you also have to ask what America was built on? by Doc_Strange	Apr 6th, 2007 03:47:06 PM
America was built on the blood of the natives who welcomed the settlers and what did they do? They slaughtered almost all the native American tribes and stole their land. From what I understand, the Alamo is built on Native American bone fragments. So when Ozzy Osbourne took a piss all over it, I was glad. You have to realize that there is a price for living the "American Way". It's not all about freedom and righteousness that's for DAMN sure. I'm just glad these people have finally gotten a hold of their land and are now starting to play the white man's game by opening their own casinos and making millions in the process in order to make a better life for themselves and their tribes. I'm sure some idiot will tell me to get over it but that's just ignorance and pretentious flag waving bullshit which one day soon will become moot because there will be no more America.
the one thing that would have made SR a success by Phategod2	Apr 6th, 2007 03:48:46 PM
a superfight. If this movie would have had Brainiac, or Darksied and given us a actual one on one superfight we would have forgiven the plot inconsistencies, the character flaws, and all if he would have had someone to bust up.
Superman is about idealism, it is not about by superninja	Apr 6th, 2007 03:50:54 PM
American political history. What nation in history is not built on the backs of others, by the way?
I think we have the cast for Beauty and the Geek... by ELGordo	Apr 6th, 2007 03:56:37 PM
on this talk back. Somebody needs to make a documentary about this discussion.
The Superman sequel will be called Superman Deported by superninja	Apr 6th, 2007 03:58:01 PM
in an effort to further destroy the Superman mythology the ultimate immigrant from the stars is deported from the United States for not having legal documentation.
with a wall of kryptonite built along texas by Phategod2	Apr 6th, 2007 04:02:04 PM
to California
I thought it deepened his myth. by Smashing	Apr 6th, 2007 04:04:27 PM
I love Superman but he was a one dimensional character and you always knew what he would do, giving him some emotional turmoil is good for him, I do agree a superhero smack down would have worked for me too though. I thought the whole film was very much about Superman's character, it showed us again how really human he is, the ultimate irony as well that he left to find his home and by doing so left his home is quite canny. I understand you not liking the film cinematic-ally but to pick certain lines and spin them into more than they are is to miss the point of the very entertaining film. Non of his actions in the movie where out of character to me, he showed love and restraint by not kissing Lois, even for a moment when all he must have wanted to do was embrace her.
Lois and her anchor baby will have to by superninja	Apr 6th, 2007 04:04:39 PM
make the ultimate choice!
Muscle god by Smashing	Apr 6th, 2007 04:08:50 PM
Having Supes look like the meat heads I rub tits with down Trade on a weekend has always been unappealing to me. He draws his power from our Sun and the effects its light gravity have on him, he does not need to look like Hercules, that's what Batman should look like. Supes is the average guy, with powers, not the strongest because of his muscle tissue but because of his alien tissue.
I enjoyed that too by Phategod2	Apr 6th, 2007 04:10:54 PM
Most of what you said is true and I did enjoy SR but there was one thing he did that was out of Character. SUPERMAN/CLARK KENT DOES NOT DRINK BEER! that aside I did enjoy the hew dimension of his character and his overall humanizing.
Sector Seven, Superman, and Optimus' orifices by FuriousStyles	Apr 6th, 2007 04:17:41 PM
those Sector Seven videos are fantastic - especially the Grimlock one.............in no way does it represent what a better Transformers film could have been - but it shows how much greater a Bay style film would have been if he stuck closer to the OG designs........the film itself wouldn't have had to change one bit...............but as for the fucked up designs we are getting - all lack of faithfullness aside - some are just plain horrid.........how can anyone spending 38 hours per frame of robot on film not see the weirdness between some of their legs - I dont know if Optimus has a cock or a conch, but theres definately something weird happening there............this film has tried in earnest to fix things that weren't broken and have come out with some very ugly looking results.............hey, maybe they're making the Autobots the females in this 'reimagining'................. ...................as for Superman and the American way - I totally agree with Smashing's first post on the issue (but not he others)............taking out the "American way" part (across the board, not just the movie) greatly opens Superman, and what he stands for, to the world............Superman can represent the potential good in all people - or as Frank Miller did a great job of warning us in DKR - Superman can stand for blind patriotism...........so I think the decision to leave off the American Way part was genius.......it lets Superman be bigger than America - be proud of that
How does it destroy the myth? by Smashing	Apr 6th, 2007 04:20:22 PM
Cant raise? We have not seen that yet. Lois has always been quite lucky shall we say. I love the new uniform, the old one was too bright and the symbol like overcompensation. Continent was heroic moment extreme, knife was in body, inside him, poisoning him quicker and deadlier than the encased in rock Krypto island.
...the American way by Colonel Activity	Apr 6th, 2007 04:27:29 PM
The American way that Superman exemplifies is one of a Eisenhower era America that never existed, but Republicans insist does and wishes would return. I think this movie did really well over seas, but I really don't think the omission of "the American way" had nothing to do with it. The movie was boring...I don't really think that the tempid box office here had anything to do with "mythos", just Supes' mundane, boring--scratch that--VERY BORING pathos. Oh, and one more thing: The "American Way" has been co-oped by xenophobic, sweaty palmed neo-con child molesting minions of George Bush. I think it was Samuel Johnson that said, "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scandal."
sorry I can't defend the Krypto continent thing by Phategod2	Apr 6th, 2007 04:29:13 PM
That made no sense at all I can see the Sun Charging him but it might have made more sense or at least better dramatic flair if he flew into the sun or closer to it then Lifted a whole continent made of the stuff that kills him on contact.
Krack by Smashing	Apr 6th, 2007 04:29:53 PM
All nations feel like that about there image, its not exclusively an American thing, do you really think any country would like to think of it's self as whiny and emo?, brushing right past Bliars recent actions in Iran obviously, but to that his leash master more than likely had him to heel. So, just as we accept and love Superman, we do so with the American dream, the one I have been seeing and hearing about since I was a kid in the 70's and my only fun came from you're much cooler TV and comics, mostly! Actually what Superman was was hurt, he was confused and he was angry but unable to take direct action, I think that in a way does describe America and even the whole bloody world right now. Now its as if America has turned it's back on everyone at the party and wont talk. I in no way meant to knock a whole country, I do like America and what it stands for and that's why I like the thought that other countries can access a character that exposes those values and ideas.
God I love this TB by Phategod2	Apr 6th, 2007 04:35:14 PM
Screw the Apocolypse movie Bay is rumored to make, The world ending event not the comic book X-men Villian. He should jump right into production of the sequels we need to keep these TB's going.
You sound like you're not listening. by Smashing	Apr 6th, 2007 04:36:54 PM
The island was not pure Kryptonite, it has been chemically changed when heated and combined with the control crystal during the explosion, then fused with the sea bed creating another form of Kryptonite. The knife was a pure shard of Kryptonite, taken straight from the meteorite sample of the planet itself, hence did much more damage. We where shown the island had a slower negative effect during the sequence where he crash lands and gets beaten up, it does not kill him straight away, it weakens him. A lot of this is all there in the film, you just have to look.
But Krack the Color Scheme by Phategod2	Apr 6th, 2007 04:37:20 PM
was invented by canadians.
I said like twice that I like America. 8) by Smashing	Apr 6th, 2007 04:45:50 PM
I really do, I just don't like how some, as you have done here, often misperceive what someone is saying about you're country then resort to the "but tough tit that you don't like what America represents. Most Americans do" approach, its off putting and a little rude. Also a little over sensitive perhaps? The colours still evoke the American flag, even more so with the glint of white it shines off the badge in the light, there just darker colours for darker times. Why so obsessed with his look anyway?, he has had more than a few since his creation, like most comic characters, if you really hated the movie because of how Superman's outfit looked then ask yourself why am I so bothered by this dudes clothes?
Tell that to Alpha Flight by Phategod2	Apr 6th, 2007 04:49:47 PM
and the Vindicator, He;s had a bug up his ass since Wolverine ripped him a new one.
Didn't Supes badge have black in it by MrJJonz	Apr 6th, 2007 04:55:10 PM
I'm sure I've seen an early incarnation of Supes with black in it . . .was it a TV series or cartoon?? Can't remember but I'm sure I've seen it in my distant past
I saw more Christian/Catholic sub-text by Phategod2	Apr 6th, 2007 05:00:18 PM
Then anything else. It didn't bother me. Regardless of all the subtext in this movie if he would have had a fight on Par with any of the Matrix fights. Singer could have printed a mint.
Research pays off by MrJJonz	Apr 6th, 2007 05:02:19 PM
Cartoon in the 40's was what I had seen it on. The Supes outfit seems to generate more hat than changes to alot of outfits. At least it wasn't rubber
China by Colonel Activity	Apr 6th, 2007 05:05:51 PM
Considering our debt to China is larger than profits from our exports, I'd say they're kind of right up there when it comes to being a "Superpower". Our children will be paying the interest on the loan we took out to fight this stupid war.
Lonely superpower maybe. by Smashing	Apr 6th, 2007 05:15:18 PM
Also what about China? We all better pray they never really wake up. Thanks for the England diss, as I stated earlier you're not getting what I said about America, I was of course not refering to the millions of ordinary good people, the type of whom which make up the worlds majority, not just Americas. I don't disagree with Superman's core ideals, nor do I think the movie did away with them. What I do think is we live in times of more complex interpersonal connections and interactions and we all know that what things appear to be on the surface they rarely are. I do like Superman's costume, I just like the latest incarnation more than whichever one you dig. Do you think the rest of the world never had a thought to try and be decent people before the term American way was coined, its arrogant presumption to suggest you speak for everyone on you're interpretation of SR, I see it differently but not in the way you keep pushing, he is a complex man with huge issues!, he deals, so should you.
Superman With Chinese political views by Phategod2	Apr 6th, 2007 05:17:07 PM
Someone call frank miller get on that stat.
Krack by MrJJonz	Apr 6th, 2007 05:25:38 PM
Are you saying China don't have nuclear weapons when you say USA can wipe them off the map but reverse cannot be said? I'd be surprised if they didn't
TINO, SRINO, TBINO...TGIF! by S-Mart shopper	Apr 6th, 2007 05:28:41 PM

????? by Colonel Activity	Apr 6th, 2007 05:32:00 PM
China doesn't have nukes? China doesn't have the largest military in the world? I know that we spend the most on defense in the world, but I'd be down right terrified if China decided all of a sudden that it wanted California. How, praytell, would we be able to get all the over-stretched soliders back from Iraq? And as far as the whole "America can bail anyone out and no one else can" argument, well, I'd be shocked if any country in the G8 couldn't have kicked the shit out of Saddam when he invaded Kuwait. The only reason we helped is because then, like now, the White House is full of neo-con Biblical nitwits.
Krack by Colonel Activity	Apr 6th, 2007 05:35:13 PM
Do you also think that there was a link between Iraq and al Qaeda?
Thinking the rest of the world is weak is rude dude. by Smashing	Apr 6th, 2007 05:35:25 PM
Its also the exact same blind arrogance that is causing both our countries to continue this Trojan horse of a campaign whilst at home we become weaker and weaker. Also some would say that those countries did not learn those lessons due to being crippled and on there knees to the point of being essentially useless, some could also say that was allowed to happen to weaken them permanently to allow others to ascend, its all politics and I do not like it.
This TB is in full effect. We'll get back on topic by Phategod2	Apr 6th, 2007 05:38:22 PM
Saturday but tonight its all about Politics and Superman.
Chinese nuclear threat quote by MrJJonz	Apr 6th, 2007 05:41:32 PM
made by Gen Zhu in 2005. “If the Americans draw their missiles and position-guided ammunition on to the target zone on China's territory, I think we will have to respond with nuclear weapons,” “We . . . will prepare ourselves for the destruction of all of the cities east of Xian. Of course the Americans will have to be prepared that hundreds . . . of cities will be destroyed by the Chinese.” I personally think the the Chinese probably have a rather large nuclear capability which hasn't been subject to any disarmament programs in recent times like US. Just because they are generally a little bit quieter on the world front (at least to the general western populace) doesn't make them any less of a threat. How many weapons would really be needed to take down the US?
Some more info by MrJJonz	Apr 6th, 2007 05:47:30 PM
China's development of anti-satellite (ASAT) capabilities has also raised concerns about China's missile and related military space program. On 11 January 2007, China successfully carried out a test of a direct ascent anti-satellite (ASAT) weapon, by using a ballistic missile to destroy an aging weather satellite in orbit approximately 500 miles above the Earth's surface. China is estimated to have about 400 strategic and tactical nuclear weapons, and stocks of fissile material sufficient to produce a much larger arsenal One of the first reports I found when googling. They sound pretty well armed to me
BUt the question is could Superman by Phategod2	Apr 6th, 2007 05:48:39 PM
Kick the crap out of Hussien. Supes Vs. Kryptonite Scuds who wins that one? is the real question.
You are a bad dad by Smashing	Apr 6th, 2007 05:49:23 PM
And you do shameful things to us late at night. LOL at the Red dawn effect though.
No, I'am not a communist by MrJJonz	Apr 6th, 2007 05:51:04 PM
I'm actually not that big on politics. But to discount China as a superpower seems flawed when they are both economically and armed like a superpower
Kuwait by Colonel Activity	Apr 6th, 2007 05:53:35 PM
Yes, they really needed saving. Delicious, delicious oil! To pretend that America is as noble as Sean Hannity wants you to believe is more retarded than arguing about if Superman could lift a continent of Kryptonite.
Foreign policy by Colonel Activity	Apr 6th, 2007 05:58:00 PM
Someone has obviously been educated at the altar of Sean Hannity. Right now, the United States is like Mongo from Blazing Saddles, super strong but dumber than a box full of rocks--retarded rocks.
US and UK haven't been able to take Iraq by MrJJonz	Apr 6th, 2007 05:59:00 PM
in how many years now? Afghanistan is the same . . .yet can take any country in 2 months? Not so sure about that. As for being the world's police then that only seems to happen when there is something that can benefit the US at the end of it. Or else you would be going up against all countries where there are major crimes against humanity. Zimbabwe would seem an obvious country that got overlooked.
Anywho, I'm sure this transformers film by MrJJonz	Apr 6th, 2007 06:01:29 PM
will have big robots and the like
Wow by Colonel Activity	Apr 6th, 2007 06:02:24 PM
Is someone in this talkback in a Michigan militia?
Transformers... by Colonel Activity	Apr 6th, 2007 06:06:33 PM
they'd be able to save Kuwait
Perhaps Kuwait had the energon by MrJJonz	Apr 6th, 2007 06:08:34 PM
and thats why the transformers were interested
Yeah... by Colonel Activity	Apr 6th, 2007 06:15:17 PM
ludicrous. Um, didn't Bush and Cheney say a couple of weeks and that it would pay for itself...what, why did we go there again? Oh, and there really isn't any terrorists in Iraq; it's a civil war. Shia extremists, Sunni death squads...oh well, the all have brown skin and lst names with "al" in them somewhere, they must be al Qaeda.
Its ludicrous to be there in the 1st place by MrJJonz	Apr 6th, 2007 06:18:18 PM
and I'm not condoning Saddams crimes against humanity. But to go in like US and UK did claiming he was an international terrorist was misplaced at best. To produce a plan against all countries with crimes against humanity would have been better, rather than further destroying lives of civilians by not only killing but also removing any form of infrastructure the country had
Don't Hate Bay by Phategod2	Apr 6th, 2007 06:40:34 PM
Hating Bay is like Hating Short bus kids, for bad finger painting, Murphy on the other hand fully deserves all the hate you can muster mister.
Theocratic dictatorship... by Colonel Activity	Apr 6th, 2007 06:42:00 PM
I hope you weren't referring to Iraq...
happy birthday tricia? by drave117	Apr 6th, 2007 06:43:04 PM
Amazing how this political debate is less passionate, less reactionary, and less brutal than the Transformers debate we lost in the crash. laughs
Politics less passionate than Transformers by MrJJonz	Apr 6th, 2007 06:48:08 PM
Probably explains the constantly falling voters numbers (in the UK at least - in the US you have the Florida situation to explain it)
well, I voted, as did everyone I know by drave117	Apr 6th, 2007 06:50:16 PM
Even have the little sticker in my wallet to prove it. Fat lot of good it did, though. I basically see voting as renewing your permission to complain about the government. Few things piss me off more than people who bitch about the government, but don't actually vote.
Attack on U.S. soil by Colonel Activity	Apr 6th, 2007 07:29:50 PM
I love how republicans act like the fact that there hsn't been an attack since 9/11 is an acomplishment. Terrorist attacks aren't as frequent as horrible Nickelback CDs. Yeah, the repugs are the party of national security...hahaha! How many countless reports by intelligence agencies have come out since the war started stating that this "War on Terror" has made this country less safe and has caused terrorism world wide to soar. In fact, every one of the terrorist "threats" that Bush has sited wasn't a threat. What was it that Nazis said about big lies?....
Transformers=This generation's STAR WARS by Style_92	Apr 6th, 2007 07:40:15 PM
...Potentially. I'm not going to fully commit to it. But I was thinking about it, this thing has awesome new special effects, an intriguing and unique alien race, and an ET-like relationship/buddyship between Sam and Bumblebee. This thing has the ingrediants, that, if the wind is with it, could go over in a very, very big way.
OBAMA in 08 by Phategod2	Apr 6th, 2007 07:40:36 PM
Someone with Balls and enough brains to use 'em
War on terror by Colonel Activity	Apr 6th, 2007 07:41:42 PM
There can't be a military solution; that's Ronnie "I was a total failure as a president but now I seem like this great American through the rosie lense of nostalgia" Raygun. The CIA, FBI, Interpol, and other Europeon intelligence agencies need to work together, then send Special Forces in to clear them out. You don't send hundred of thousands of pimple faced 18 year olds from West Virginia to take out terrorist cells. The regular army and Marines are for fighting COUNTRIES, not tactics. I don't see why that is so hard to grasp for repugs.
Whoops, didn't realize this thread had gone polictical. by Style_92	Apr 6th, 2007 07:43:17 PM
Sorry. Hey, why hasn't Harry posted that big close up still of Bumblebee from the film yet that they have over on Tformers.com?
Oh no "Plant attack # 99" by Phategod2	Apr 6th, 2007 07:45:10 PM
J/K but I doubt this movie is as groundbreaking as any optimist believes it to be. ILM robots turning into GM cars and military Vehicles don't "change the game" A movie about G1 transformers that looked and acted like G1 Transformers would have changed the game instead we have Tyrese "Bring it" (Whateverthehellmylastnameis).
I wish I was a plant. by Style_92	Apr 6th, 2007 07:47:27 PM
That way I'd be PAID for supporting Transformers. As it is, I open myself up to flaming by expressing individual thought simply out of the goodness of my heart.
Facism by Colonel Activity	Apr 6th, 2007 07:48:30 PM
Fourteen signs...see if any of this sounds familiar 1) Powerful and controlling nationalism. 2)Disdain for the recognition of human rights 3)Identification of enemies/scapegoats as an unifying cause. 4)Supremacy of the Military 5)Rampant sexism 6)controlled Mass Media 7)Obession with National Security 8)Religion and government intertwined 9)Coporate power is protected 10)Labor power is suppressed 11)Disdain for intellectuals and the arts 12)Obession with crime and punishment 13)Rampant cronyism and corruption 14)Fradulent elections Hits the nail on the head, doesn't it? Suddenly, those Nazi/Bush comparisons aren't all that crazy...although I will say Bush would never start a holocaust. Evil takes a certain amount of cunning; Bush is too stupid...
Colonel, Bush won't start the holocaust until... by Style_92	Apr 6th, 2007 07:52:25 PM
He declares himself emperor and has everyone at Comedy Centrel secretly killed, (Except for Matt Stone and Trey Parker, who have made a deal to protect themselves.)
The repubilcan worth a damn is McCain by Phategod2	Apr 6th, 2007 07:54:10 PM
He should have Wooped Bush's ass in the 1st Election, Evidence example 1 that Reps. are stooges, re-electing is evidence example 2. they're the biggest stooges.
Style_92 He wont start it by Phategod2	Apr 6th, 2007 07:55:44 PM
He'll save that for Gulianni to do.
But seriously, when is Harry gonna post this? by Style_92	Apr 6th, 2007 08:02:57 PM
Huge Bumblebee and the Energon Cube here, people! http://tinyurl.com/ytqmoe
Oh shut up. by Style_92	Apr 6th, 2007 08:08:29 PM
we need a serious reigning in of hyperbole on AICN. Bumblebee looks cool.
No, But... by Style_92	Apr 6th, 2007 08:12:14 PM
I'm sick of everything on the site being described with the words shit and fuck. It loses all meaning. I'm arguing for more creativity.
At least I Know Where McCain by Phategod2	Apr 6th, 2007 08:12:21 PM
Come from If 9/11 had happended with him in office Osama's head would have been on a spike on the white house lawn by Noon next evening
what i think about this talkback by drave117	Apr 6th, 2007 08:12:22 PM
http://tinyurl.com/2r8guy
You think this talkback makes bumblebee scared? by Style_92	Apr 6th, 2007 08:14:04 PM
Was that supposed to be coherant?
And Bumblebee by Phategod2	Apr 6th, 2007 08:14:39 PM
Looks scary as shit I thought he was supposed be cute and cuddly
style_92 by drave117	Apr 6th, 2007 08:27:54 PM
No, not particularly.
Bumblebee by Colonel Activity	Apr 6th, 2007 08:33:19 PM
it looks like he got his shit handed to him. I did hear that Megan Fox's sweaty chest is a violent entity...
Warning Warning - Minimum TF Geek Level Exceeded. by GibsonUSA Returns	Apr 6th, 2007 08:36:10 PM
We are approaching Star Wars level discussions. Please refrain from posts in excess of 5000 words, political discussions, Jar Jar references, supernerd jokes that are funny to the typer and no one else, and use of the word "crass." This is not Star Trek. This is Transformers. Megatron will have your heads for this.
Someone who has read the script... by Colonel Activity	Apr 6th, 2007 08:51:26 PM
Please tell me is Starscream has any asshole-like lines in this movie. If not, I might just wait until it comes out on DVD.
Starscream has almost no Dialouge and by Phategod2	Apr 6th, 2007 09:02:04 PM
only one confrontation with Megatron that basically goes like this "Yes, Lord Megatron". I know you can't wait to pay to see that.
Hmmmmm by Colonel Activity	Apr 6th, 2007 09:11:13 PM
Well, I guess I'm not seeing this then. Starscream has always been the star of Transformers as far as I'm concerned. Prime? Selfless leaders are common stock. Megatron? Meglomania is so passe. But back-stabbing Iago-like weiners? They rule. Starscream is like Bush skipping ahead to get into the Guard and then not showing up...times 100!
and the line from Krack by Phategod2	Apr 6th, 2007 09:11:22 PM
Bumblebee doesn't speak it You see his Voicemodulation sytem is broken beyond repair so he is forced to speak with Radio transmissions so actually thats a song on his radio. Now heres something Inconsistent Because the Bayformers can fix themselves with Nanotechnology to the point of being ripped in half but BB's voice box can't take it.
SPOILER by Phategod2	Apr 6th, 2007 09:13:19 PM
he is the only decepticon to survive the movie.
What about the Autobots? by Colonel Activity	Apr 6th, 2007 09:17:00 PM
I heard some of them die. Does Megatron yell retreat at any point? I hope so, if they want to throw G1 a bone. Also, are there ANY good lines spoken by any of the Transformers?
Stupid HUMES and SPOILERS by Phategod2	Apr 6th, 2007 09:21:50 PM
In the prime Directive script I'll give it you just give me your e-mail address and about a hour to get home. The Humans take up 75% of the movie and the more then meets the Eye too damn much. That is the only nod ther are refernces to Yahoo, E-bay, and all the autobots save for prime are Noticable GM cars. No Nods to G1-isms and Jazz Dies in the climax. Oh yead and Sam (the NON spike ) kills megatron.
When IS martin Scorsese going to Direct by Phategod2	Apr 6th, 2007 09:24:55 PM
Bionic Six oh it will happend my friends it will happend. I'm going to audition for Brain-1 or Karate-1
Scatman Crothers by Colonel Activity	Apr 6th, 2007 09:26:00 PM
I wish he was still alive and scatted during the movie as Jazz. "Skittley do-wop do-wa, Optimus baby. Skiz bo-bop-i-ty boo bop do wap do waaaaaaa!"
Jazz's death... by Colonel Activity	Apr 6th, 2007 09:29:13 PM
do they throw a wink to how Scatman dies in "The Shining"? Does he say, "UH, what's up doc?" and then he gets an ax in the chest by Jack Nicholson? Is that how it goes?
NeoCon fans need to check out these docs.. by ELGordo	Apr 6th, 2007 09:44:10 PM
The Power of Nightmares. Fantastic stuff about NeoCons and radical Islamics and how they are basically using the same methots to achieve their goals. Part 1. http://tinyurl.com/ywwg6t Part 2. http://tinyurl.com/ysba2w Part 3. http://tinyurl.com/29yznv
Phategod2 by Colonel Activity	Apr 6th, 2007 10:09:32 PM
Is there a link where I can get the script?
Ha ha... I get it. Sarcasm. by ELGordo	Apr 6th, 2007 10:11:16 PM
But seriously, this is good stuff.
seems to me anti tf people aren't even worth bothering by Style_92	Apr 6th, 2007 10:11:31 PM
with. all they do is make stupid, nonsensical jokes. Transformers will own.
My brain was on autopilot by the time I got to that by Phategod1	Apr 6th, 2007 10:13:41 PM
I had already tuned out of what was going on but the Basic jist is Megatron is a SuperRobot Vampire Like Drake or Dracula in Blade Trinity thats been frozen on earth for while looking for a pathetic convoluted plot device to carry the movie forward then he makes a grand entrance at the end and Fights the autobots and rips Jazz in half or sucks his spark out something to that effect. By the way I'm Home now if you want it.
Script by Colonel Activity	Apr 6th, 2007 10:15:52 PM
I want to read this dried turd
Google Transformers:Prime Directive by Phategod1	Apr 6th, 2007 10:20:05 PM
I have it And can e-mail it to you.
E mail by Colonel Activity	Apr 6th, 2007 10:22:21 PM
richardkr34@hotmail.com
You've got Poopmail by Phategod1	Apr 6th, 2007 10:32:26 PM
Be sure when you read it to have a bucket buy your side, and dramamine to keep you awake.
Googling Transformers: Prime Directive by Style_92	Apr 6th, 2007 11:08:20 PM
Just gets you a ton of links that don't work anymore.
then If you the loaded Gun lets see the email by Phategod1	Apr 6th, 2007 11:29:26 PM
:})
you'd actually PREFER Ironhide as a pussy minvan? by Style_92	Apr 7th, 2007 12:25:01 AM
un-fucking-believable.
No one stays on top forever. This country has by superninja	Apr 7th, 2007 12:30:07 AM
made major mistakes, people here are too dependent, and both parties are the same - power hungry gobs. Now the decline comes down to the short train to hell or the fast one. Also China is becoming Christianized, so it will be interesting to see how that works out.
There are no good lines spoken by anyone, Colonel. by superninja	Apr 7th, 2007 12:32:09 AM
I mean, they added, "My bad." to Prime's dialogue, what does that tell you?
Yeah, I hate it when unconsequential characters by superninja	Apr 7th, 2007 12:35:27 AM
do things like kill the main bad guy even though they have no knowledge of the alien tech. I mean, shouldn't it be slightly more complicated than that? Also Fox's character uses Bumblebee's arm as a weapon which is irritating in the same manner.
GFRINO!!! by Mastashake	Apr 7th, 2007 12:42:22 AM
GFRINO!!!GFRINO!!!GFRINO!!!GFR INO!!!GFRINO!!!GFRINO!!!GFRINO !!! GFRINO!!!GFRINO!!!GFRINO!!!GFR INO!!!GFRINO!!!GFRINO!!!GFRINO !!! giant freaking robots in name only
Red GM Vans - Chevy Uplander, Buick Terraza, GMC Savana by GibsonUSA Returns	Apr 7th, 2007 12:42:45 AM
Red GM SUVs-GMC Acadia,Yukon, Chevy Equinox, Trailblazer, Tahoe, Hummer H2 and H3, Cadillac Escalade, SRX. There goes that argument.
Optimus the Flamer by MaulRat	Apr 7th, 2007 01:16:09 AM
I don't know if this has been brought up or not... the thread is too fucking long to bother with, but Optimus is packing some serious heat... DOWN THERE... Silver surfer has big gonads, but that truck has a big "choofer". I always knew Optimus was the type who brings his "A" game with the ladies.. Kudos to the production designers.
Optimus may be bringing his "A" game... by drave117	Apr 7th, 2007 01:33:20 AM
...but it's not with the ladies! Look at him! He's totally flaming!
Erin Cottrell the voice of a girl Transformer? by ElectricDreams	Apr 7th, 2007 04:40:38 AM
http://blog.meevee.com/my_webl og/2007/04/interview_w_eri.htm l#more Not sure if its for the movie or a cartoon series, but someone said she was the voice of a transformer in an upcoming project...we'll see...she's cute!
krack you idiot, you don't seem to know very much by Seph_J	Apr 7th, 2007 06:18:25 AM
... about China. Most Chinese really DONT want to emigrate to the US. If I was living in the US and China was suddenly very pissed at you, I would be terrified. China doesn't fuck about. And they dont need to worry about opinion polls and elections. (But then Bush never won an election so hey....) They would just do it. Being American (which I assume you are) you think the world envies you, and THATS why they hate you. You are sadly very mistaken. I know im going to face a lot of shit by saying this (because you are all fucking yanks, and yanks like to gang up on small countries ahem.. sorry, people) but the reason why all Chinese dont want to emigrate to the US, is because the US is filled with.... Americans. And the Chinese have a very different attitude to life and to each other. Its more... respectful. The only Chinese who would like to live in the US... are Americanized Chinese. People who have been assimilated into your sick Team America: World Police mentality. FUCK YEAH!
krack by Seph_J	Apr 7th, 2007 06:27:17 AM
why do you think "China will fall as soon as enough people begin starving to death."? You say "Eventually the country will not be able to afford to feed it's people.".... where the fuck did you get this impression from? There is a degree of poverty in China, but it truly is declining, rapidly. "Here's another thing about a Chinese invasion that's laughable" Yeh, a Chinese invasion is laughable. I would love to see it happen. I would love to see you LAUGHING! You twat.
China has one of the fastest growing economy by ELGordo	Apr 7th, 2007 08:01:09 AM
around. They aren't going any time soon. The central government doesn't really want to admit that communism has failed but looking and Shanghai, Bejing and seeing how they didn't deman any changes when they took over Hong Kong shows that they know what's up and are going towards more capitalistic direction.
Script by Colonel Activity	Apr 7th, 2007 08:40:22 AM
I read it last night...holy shit that is horrible. "Lord Megatron"?????? When would Starscream ever say that? THAT'S his only line? And it's subtitled? What. The. FUCK!!! The only time Starscream would say something like, "Lord Megatron" is if Megs caught him schleeping his daughter or something. "Uh, it's not what it looks like, Lord Megatron. Please don't hurt me..."
I wonder if the PUSSY ON OPTIMUS will transfer... by Optimus Murphy	Apr 7th, 2007 08:40:36 AM
...the the Autobot's next leader?
Colonel Activity "Didn't demand any changes?" by Seph_J	Apr 7th, 2007 09:01:07 AM
Errr, who told you that?
[try again] El Gordo "Didn't demans any changes" by Seph_J	Apr 7th, 2007 09:05:54 AM
Who told you that?
[try again] El Gordo "Didn't demand any changes" by Seph_J	Apr 7th, 2007 09:05:59 AM
Who told you that?
Bush in Transformers... by Colonel Activity	Apr 7th, 2007 09:11:44 AM
"Ya see, heh, Megan Fox is gonna-gonna use, uh, Bumblebee's arm for a, ah, hehe, weapon of mass destruction, hehe. I decided that, and I'm the decider."
This has got to be by subgeniuszero	Apr 7th, 2007 10:23:40 AM
The most political talkback ever ... aside from the Munich talkback I read once.
Not. by subgeniuszero	Apr 7th, 2007 10:31:27 AM
Just kiddin, folks. This talkback is about is political as a slice of Michael Bay's typical "Ra Ra America!" cheese ... and I like Bay's movies, and even I'm saying that...
Of course, by subgeniuszero	Apr 7th, 2007 10:35:18 AM
Ra Ra America cheese can be fun. Especially if you wrap it around your weiner and skull-fuck the economy with it like some not-to-be-named geezer in Washington has done.
But then again, by subgeniuszero	Apr 7th, 2007 10:37:01 AM
Clinton helped the economy. And he was so cool, he did it WHILE GETTING BLOWN. I mean, seriously, how much more American can ya get!
Krack by Seph_J	Apr 7th, 2007 11:12:26 AM
Maybe your co-worker was in the USA because HE HAD A JOB there? I have spoken to a lot of Chinese people who want to go to America, though normally its out of some morbid curiosity. Not because the American dream holds (or ever did) hold any substance. The highest portion of the population here in China however have absolutely no desire to go to America whatsoever. Infact most of them are happy pretending you dont exist. You need to STOP believing you live in a perfect country, and you need to stop thinking everyone wishes they were American. I am English, and I sure as fuck am delighted I am not American. I also happen to live in China. I like to think of myself as having the best traits of both cultures. I've been to a fair number of countries, and most people have the same opinion of the US. And it isnt envy. Most people think the US is dirty (in terms of ethics), immoral, disrespectful, incredibly greedy and (my favourite) impossibly ignorant. Hu Jin Tao is not my best friend, but if you compare what the China government does for the people of China, compared to what Bush does in the US, Jin Tao certainly comes out top in my book.
*Possible Spoilers* by Mr. Nice Gaius	Apr 7th, 2007 11:19:59 AM
Bumblebee's voicebox was "removed" by Megatron prior to the start of the film's storyline. Cybertron will be in the film contrary to the Haters' claim that it will not. Anyone who thinks that Ironhide should stil be a red mini-van is ghey.
Is this board becomign another "Aquaf@g" thingy? by jojo-pimp	Apr 7th, 2007 11:26:14 AM
where peaple just post on it to post something and see how long they can keep it going?
Krack by Seph_J	Apr 7th, 2007 11:56:49 AM
You're shocked because you are ignorant. The media here isn't censored. Its just restricted. You can get get any news you want. Its actually quite nice for the country to concentrate on its own problems and try to solve them, rather than broadcasting conflicts in other countries in an attempt to draw attention away from the government.
If Krack keeps embarassing himself by by Seph_J	Apr 7th, 2007 11:59:41 AM
posting on here, im sure we'll be back at 1000 again.
Krack by Seph_J	Apr 7th, 2007 12:08:55 PM
im going to bed. I gotta get up early in the morning, salute a poster of Mao, sing the national anthem, eat a bowl of rice and then continue my military training. I think the Chinese government is planning something pretty big against the US. A coalition between N. Korea and China has been formed, and I hear the nukes are being polished and painted with pictures of dragons.
Hey Seph_J... by Mr. Nice Gaius	Apr 7th, 2007 12:16:43 PM
Over there, can you do a Google search for the Tiananmen Square uprising/massacre and actually find information regarding the event? If so, can you find any images of the famous "Tank Man"? The reason I ask is that there are top students at Beijing University who have never heard of either. Hardly sounds like a country concentrating on its own problems. Sounds more like they try to sweep them away.
A few things wrong with America... by Colonel Activity	Apr 7th, 2007 12:16:58 PM
Electoral college.......trickle-down economics.......cronyism in government......gap between wealthy and everyone else.....death penalty.......no universal health care......and just about everything that is identified with George W. Bush's administration. When people say that they hate America, what they're really saying is, "I hate Bush and his cabal of neo-con freaks." Did people want to bake us cookies 24/7 when Clinton was President? Not really, but at least you travel as a tourist and not get evil-eyes where ever you went. If Jeb runs and wins in '12, I'm moving to the UK.
Its very reassuring to see you by Seph_J	Apr 7th, 2007 12:17:37 PM
talking out of your ass, and so arrogantly too. The day an American admits that America is riddled with as many holes in its society as the plot to Superman Returns is the day I worry. I talk about the ignorant Americans, and WHEY HEY! here you are. You continually fart on about the countries you should be worried about. This isn't fucking Warcraft. The first thing you think about a country (and you get this from your President) is "how big is their military?). And THEN you base your opinion on the answer. America isn't #1 (whatever that means). Its just another country, with many problems, and a unfortunate curse in that it has Americans living in it. Im sure if you can educate your population, or kill them all, America would be just a fine place. As it is, you are living in happy-land. You think that the US is what everyone aims to be. Sorry dude, it just aint true.
Tank Man.... by Colonel Activity	Apr 7th, 2007 12:20:12 PM
killed years ago as a political prisoner. America under Bush isn't too far off. And don't come to me with this, "But we need to torture to get all the information," bull shit. The Bill of Rights prohibits torture because it's beneath us...George Bush should be hung at The Hague.
Nice Gaius.... yes of course. by Seph_J	Apr 7th, 2007 12:23:31 PM
How many top students at Beijing have you spoken to? Or is this based on the news as reported in YOUR country... which of course never EVER controls the media.. HA HA. Yes, I can go to Google, and although Google came under a lot of shit for 'censoring' actually you can still learn about it. I can even WATCH the massacre on youtube, if I feel so inclined. I believe the news was reported in your country that the protesters were unarmed... is this true? Well actually its not true at all. Do some research yourself. And Krack, Censored means you can't see it. Restriced means you can see it, but its not layed out on display everywhere for all to see. If a part of a film is CENSORED, you cant see it. If a film comes with an R rating... you can still see it. Theres my logic. I think its actually very LOGICAL.
Poetic Justice by Seph_J	Apr 7th, 2007 12:30:36 PM
George Bush should be hung at the Hague, and William Hague should be hung in a Bush. Poetic Justice.
Schumacher loves Prime's vagina shaft by INWOsuxRED	Apr 7th, 2007 12:30:53 PM
and the anus faces of every decepticon.
seems unlikely to me, BringingSexyBack. by Seph_J	Apr 7th, 2007 12:41:22 PM
Where did you hear that?
Did you know that the CIA also.... by Colonel Activity	Apr 7th, 2007 12:42:21 PM
masterminded Steve Guttenberg's career in the 80s? True story.
CIA masterminded Steve Guttenbergs career? by Seph_J	Apr 7th, 2007 12:44:56 PM
No wonder it was a controversial joke that nobody can quite understand.
Seph_J by Mr. Nice Gaius	Apr 7th, 2007 12:49:51 PM
First off, ease up on the smugness. It does nothing to help or further your opinion/position. And to answer your question, I have done some research. (I don't know why people in foreign countries always assume that Americans only subscribe to one type of "media". It's kind of laughably sad that we can say the same about them.) Anyway, you may find this worthwhile: http://tinyurl.com/hheo4
Gaius by Seph_J	Apr 7th, 2007 12:56:05 PM
Smugness? In what way did I convey smugness? Why do you think people in foreign countries only subscribe to one type of media?
Coming Soon: 'The Rise of Steve Guttenberg' by Seph_J	Apr 7th, 2007 12:57:45 PM
I'd pay to see that over Rob Zombie's Halloween anyday
When we the hell are we gonna get a suitable by MrJJonz	Apr 7th, 2007 01:09:22 PM
Guttenberg relacement in movies. I think the Yanks are holding that back from us just so that the rest of world has less entertainment
When my mates cousin moved to US by MrJJonz	Apr 7th, 2007 01:12:17 PM
we couldn't believe how quickly their knowledge of world news disappeared. General world news reports on America TV are lacking which is something I have noticed when I have been on holiday there. By the way I love Disneyland or whichever one it is in Florida
Seph_J by Mr. Nice Gaius	Apr 7th, 2007 01:12:28 PM
The smugness came across in your answer with the assumption that Americans are unable to look beyond their media/information norms. No biggie. In a way, this kind of answers your second question...which basically turns into a "my media is better than your media" type of scenario. Just substitute "foreign countries" for "Americans" in my previous sentence. I think that it's good that you can access information regarding the T.S. event. That country, China, has incredible potential. I hope the powers-that-be over there can help further progress peacefully in the years to come.
Gaius / Krack by Seph_J	Apr 7th, 2007 01:24:00 PM
While Gaius seems to have real understanding. Krack displays the intelligence of a 2yr old. Yes bribes are a part of everyday life. Although its not bribes in a shady way. America has plenty of Bribes. How many females have had to do things they shouldn't in order to progress in their jobs? How many times has a certain figure been transfered from one back account to another in a company? In China however, a little red envelope containing cash is really not seen as anything bad. Its because at Chinese New year, little red envelopes containing cash are always handed around. Its called 'lucky money'. Its the same as giving presents at Christmas. Are you telling me that the mainstream media in the US is absolutely free to show whatever they want? The government doesn't control what people see or read about? Why then do you think the student protesters at Tiannamen Square were unarmed. Because that makes the commies look worse. Or, why does the PENTAGON have to approve every American war film, or film containing Military representation or hardware before it can get released? Why is their a Military guy on the set of your war films? Seems to me like going TOO far can get you yanks in trouble too.
Guttenberg by Colonel Activity	Apr 7th, 2007 01:24:27 PM
The thing with Guttenberg is that he himself has never been funny, but his movies always have been. Mahoney was funny, but Guttenberg wasn't. He's kind of like a poor man's Billy Crystal, a guy that relies totally on the script. Oh and as America goes, yeah, we're the kings of tabloid news. I watch Hannity & Colmes to hear how goddamn stupid repugs are and I swear to God they spent 2 weeks covering Anna Nicole Smith when Walter Reed, the Libby trial, and Attorney-Gate was going on. Pathetic. I do have to say that Aussies are can be cocksuckers when they visit. When you go to a college party in Minnesota and eveyone wants to kick your ass at the end of the night because you're such a dickface, then you know you suck.
Krack, I don't think anyone will replace by MrJJonz	Apr 7th, 2007 01:24:55 PM
the master that is Guttenberg in my eyes. Genius is banded too readily nowadays . . .so I better not use it in his case
A poor man's Billy Crystal??????? by MrJJonz	Apr 7th, 2007 01:28:47 PM
For shame Colonel, for shame. And up to this point I had been agreeing with alot of what you had said :)
Krack, you can't by MrJJonz	Apr 7th, 2007 01:49:51 PM
honestly believe that you think your press have total freedom in what they publish and show on TV with censorship and without spin. That just doesn't happen - I wish it did - but there isn't a country that I have know of where the 'freedom of the press' isn't at least partially controlled by government
Hell that Bonecrusher photo still makes my eyes hurt by MrJJonz	Apr 7th, 2007 01:51:34 PM
I just cannot tell what is what. I take it you won't be first in line to see this then, Krack
The picture itself... by Colonel Activity	Apr 7th, 2007 01:55:56 PM
looks like shit, but I thought Bonecrusher looks pretty cool skating down the freeway and slicing through buses. After reading the script, that part from the trailor is probably going to be the only semi-cool part of the movie.
Krack, You know how I know your American? by Seph_J	Apr 7th, 2007 01:56:47 PM
Because you are very stupid. I haven't always lived in China you dunce. Freedom of the press to write whatever the government decides to tell them about. Ahh.... I see. I have an extreme lack of knowing what I am talking about... coming from an American who sees the world through Mickey-Mouse "America is the World" glasses. What alternate societies have you lived in? What do you have to compare the US to? When have you ever experienced anything other than America? The truth is you are not in a position to judge if I know what im talking about or not. I am not a political analyst, but I have a lot more to gauge this shit on than you.
I haven't been to the US for about 7 years now by MrJJonz	Apr 7th, 2007 02:00:32 PM
so I can't say that I have 1st hand exposure of it in recent times. I'm just drawing on past experiences when I have visited US (4 times so far - I'm a sucker for your theme parks) and also in what I have seen with my mates cousin when they visit and also what I am told when my mates visit them in NY. But yeah, hands up - it is on heresay
too old to root for dickheads? by Seph_J	Apr 7th, 2007 02:01:15 PM
yet I assume you support the war in Iraq?
Krack, I may get dragged to see it by MrJJonz	Apr 7th, 2007 02:03:54 PM
If my nephew wants to see it, but if I managed to miss out on big screen Pan's Labyrinth (have since seen it and what a film it is) then I really don't want to put money to Bay and Murphy
Don't mean to bug you Krack but am by MrJJonz	Apr 7th, 2007 02:11:42 PM
fairly interested (haven't had much of a discussion with someone pro Iraq - lacking people I know who agree with it). What reasons do you support for going into Iraq.
Apart from that Small small world ride by MrJJonz	Apr 7th, 2007 02:13:22 PM
Was the most terrifying thing I have been on. Was singing that fucking song for months after
Krack, You've lost all credibility by Seph_J	Apr 7th, 2007 02:14:16 PM
and are no longer worthy of my time. Get a passport mate. And learn the names of a few countries on the map. The world becomes more interesting if you leave the safety of Disneylandcountry. Go to a place. A place where people work hard. A place where education is taken seriously. A place where declaring unjustified war isn't something to help the government pass the time and become rich in the process. A place where healthcare is available to everyone. In short, go to anywhere except the USA. I dont want to talk about this to you anymore, you are a blind, narrowminded, ra ra america, head-in-the-sand, innocent-death-World Police-suporting "as long as I can drive my three cars, keep a gun under my pillow, stuff myself with all-you-can-eat and not know what Philosopher or Revoked means then im happy" idiot.
And Krack I'm not one for TB arguments by MrJJonz	Apr 7th, 2007 02:15:30 PM
I'm all about plutonic TB love-ins with open discussion - just ask Dick Nicely and Deus Vult (if he ever finds time away from watching his wife's DVDs)
Oooh, a citizen of the world. by superninja	Apr 7th, 2007 02:17:22 PM
Europe is going to have to look to China because they're not reproducing. And you know, America is always 10 years behind Europe...
Hey superninja by MrJJonz	Apr 7th, 2007 02:18:51 PM
Do you never sleep? You always seem to be here . . .I wish I had half your stamina
China is just skipping that whole free speech, by superninja	Apr 7th, 2007 02:22:54 PM
civil war, and human rights thing and going straight to centralized corporate-media-government control. Seems to me they are copying the worst aspects of the West, and then taking it up a notch.
MrJJonz, allow me to answer... by Seph_J	Apr 7th, 2007 02:25:47 PM
You asked: Why do you support the war in iraq? Krack writes: "Because I know, just like you know, that the instant there's another terrorist attack on US soil, those 29% approval ratings will go to somewhere in the 88% range. The american people are fickle, they don't think about things until it affects them personally and immediately." also he writes: "I'm a terrible person because I'm pleased there hasn't been a terrorist attack on US soil since 2001. And i'm ignorant because I believe we would have had one had there not been US military action in the Middle East. And I'm also ignorant because I hear information like "the British Intelligence Services believe Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, our US Intelligence Services think it's possible, but we can't prove it" and say "Well, Hussein's an awful dictator anyway. Let's just remove him and make sure he doesn't have any nukes." Yup, that makes me a fool. A fool who hasn't seen a terrorist attack on his soil in seven years."
Very true on China by MrJJonz	Apr 7th, 2007 02:26:00 PM
I think this whole discussion started when Krack felt that China were not a superpower. Many, many faults to that country as I suppose there are to all countries but superpower economically and in military wise China to me are (just to end a sentence all Yoda like)
My God, not you too SuperNinja... by Seph_J	Apr 7th, 2007 02:30:39 PM
... fight it. Thats the fat stupid lazy American inside of you speaking. Fight it. "centralized corporate-media-government control. Seems to me they are copying the worst aspects of the West, and then taking it up a notch" Not sure when the last time China invaded Afghanistan and Iraq within like a year of each other, but if they did that, they would be copying the worst aspects of the west. Invading Iran too would be taking it up a notch. Bush is easily worse than Hu Jin Tao, Deng Xiao Ping and Jiang Zemin combined.
No, it's a superpower in the making, but you by superninja	Apr 7th, 2007 02:32:42 PM
never know what can happen. For instance, with India and their growing economy competing nearby? The Chinese govt is not very good to their own people, how do you imagine they look at the rest of us? Maybe that culture will change, but I don't know. Krack is a nice guy a lot of Americans of course take it personally when everyone tells us how much we suck. I don't anymore, I just think that it's not like everyone else is doing so great, either, and int'l law and the UN sure as heck isn't preferrable to me.
MrJJonz = abritrator by MrJJonz	Apr 7th, 2007 02:35:03 PM
Hmm a new superhero . .The Abritrator. Seph you almost argue blindly for China, or make it seem that way, and we know that they are not perfect . . Human rights, media control etc etc which can be said of too many nations
SuperNinja I beg of you... stop.... by Seph_J	Apr 7th, 2007 02:36:26 PM
its uncomfortable watching you be so uninformed, and I feel bad seeing you embarass yourself so much. "The Chinese govt is not very good to their own people, how do you imagine they look at the rest of us?" What? I mean seriously... WHAT? WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU STUPID UNINFORMED AMERICANS? Why do you think the Chinese government is not good to their people?
Right, Seph, they just settle for killing millions by superninja	Apr 7th, 2007 02:36:28 PM
of their own people. Now that their economic status is changing, I'm sure they'll eventually get around to the rest of us. I was for the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq, now I am not. But probably not for reasons you would at all agree with.
Like I said, I have a wait and see approach to by superninja	Apr 7th, 2007 02:38:08 PM
China a lot can change, but to ignore their recent history is kind of stupid and uniformed.
Hey I'm not going to say Hrack isn't a nice guy by MrJJonz	Apr 7th, 2007 02:38:12 PM
He has been nothing but polite to me and it has been a nice discussion and will continue to be. I'm fairly sure alot of the world have the same outlook on the UK as they do the US. we seem have to jumped into the same bed, for better or for worse
Ideaological views do not change overnight, Seph. by superninja	Apr 7th, 2007 02:39:11 PM
Just look at Iraq.
I know, MrJJonz, but I have to say that your by superninja	Apr 7th, 2007 02:41:03 PM
love of theme parks makes me question your taste! ;)
I dont argue blindly for China.... by Seph_J	Apr 7th, 2007 02:42:14 PM
but I do feel I am in a position to fully relay the truth. I was born and grew up in England, I've stayed in the US, I live in China. I've heard every country say allsorts of shit about the other two, and I've seen good and bad things about every country. If you came on here and said "China's problem is that there are no guidelines surrounding when you can be seen to be capitalist, and when you must keep up the pretense of communism. Its difficult to actually know." then I would agree with you. But when idiots come on here and say The Chinese govt is not very good to their own people, I feel that in the interest of the TRUTH, I must argue with it.
And when I say Hrack I mean Krack by MrJJonz	Apr 7th, 2007 02:43:55 PM
apologies . . .proof reading is for chumps
Seph, I would argue that you look at the US by superninja	Apr 7th, 2007 02:44:42 PM
and see precursors to a particular system and condemn them, but then ignore the same precursors when it comes to China. That is not even handed or truthful to say the least.
Superninja.... by Seph_J	Apr 7th, 2007 02:44:55 PM
" they just settle for killing millions of their own people" please explain...
Seph, are you kidding? This is modern history by superninja	Apr 7th, 2007 02:46:17 PM
it is long like I am going back to Imperial China. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M ao_Zedong
Sorry, I meant "It is not like I am going back by superninja	Apr 7th, 2007 02:48:38 PM
to Imperial China". This was still going on less than 40 years ago.
And Krack - thanks for the answer by MrJJonz	Apr 7th, 2007 02:50:25 PM
Politely and well argued. I disagree with the weapons of mass destruction argument . . I did at the time when UK govt was adamant they had proof and have since then been proved wrong. But, same with religion, I'm not going to knock someones beliefs because they differ from mine. And Superninja . .theme parks are just great. At Universal, Love on a Rollercoaster was a fantastic ride . . .please don't hold it against me! ;)
Krack says: by Seph_J	Apr 7th, 2007 02:50:57 PM
"I have zero problem with attacking Iraq and removing their leadership. At best, we would have found nuclear weapons and made a new ally in the region. At worst, we would have removed a violent regime that killed thousands of it's own people." For 10 points, whats wrong with this statement? Oh, the loss of countless innocent lives. A small detail right? for another 10 points We've already spent billions and the war is won. But the nation of Iraq will breed terrorists until democracy and western commercialism takes root inside the country. this one? sounds a little like a dictator doesn't it? Assimilate everyone. Declare way on anyone who doesn't share our way of doing things.... God you Americans are scary.
Hrack by MrJJonz	Apr 7th, 2007 02:51:54 PM
don't blow your cover so easy!!!
SuperNinja by Seph_J	Apr 7th, 2007 02:55:30 PM
Dont get me started on what was happening in AMERICA 40 years ago. Very fucking similar to the horseshit they are pulling now actually. I dont live in 1960s China, so I can't comment. China is as different now to the 1960s as the US is from the 1660s.
Well, we can agree that due to ideaology that by superninja	Apr 7th, 2007 02:55:58 PM
Iraq will continue to breed terrorists on one hand and atheistic strong-man-rulers on the other.
One time on Small world was enough by MrJJonz	Apr 7th, 2007 02:57:37 PM
There can't have seriously been someone who went on it 100 times in a row. That dude must be fucking brain dead and will sing the song forever It's a world of laughter, a world of tears, It's a world of hopes and a world of fears; There's so much that we share, That it's time we're aware It's a small world after all. It's a small world after all, It's a small world after all, It's a small world after all, It's a small, small world. There is just one moon, and one golden sun, And a smile means friendship to ev'ryone; Though the mountains divide, And the oceans are wide, It's a small world after all
well gentlemen by Seph_J	Apr 7th, 2007 02:58:07 PM
...you wouldn't believe the time here in China. I gotta sleep. Thanks for the discussion and goodnight. To be continued...
You are welcome to do that. by superninja	Apr 7th, 2007 02:58:10 PM
We are still living with the ramifications of that in America today - correct or not? The fact is, it could've gone either way, the reason it went the way it did was because of the American people accepting change. Same thing with China, unless you have a crystal ball. I am not slamming Chinese as people, I am slamming the ideaological basis of their government.
Small World is evil that is just to prepare kiddies by superninja	Apr 7th, 2007 03:01:05 PM
for the UN leading the world. They should update the ride to include the drugs and hookers and weapons dealing.
Not a patch on the US by MrJJonz	Apr 7th, 2007 03:06:31 PM
Which is why I go when I can afford such things. Our parks can be done in a day. But I love Florida for the fact they have Disneyland (or is it Disneyworld in Florida), Seaworld and Universal, oh shit and Bush Gardens(which I have yet to visit) which all generally take more than one day to visit. Can you believe last time I went, I went with 2 mates. One has an inner ear problem which means if he spins round more than once he pukes - took him on the Mr Suess ride which was actually the most spinning ride you can find with predictable results for him. And my other mate is scared of heights . . .so I pretty much went on everything myself.
Do you know why Hong Kong Disneyland is better than by Seph_J	Apr 7th, 2007 03:07:22 PM
America Disneyland? Ha ha, im joking. Night.
No long lines? by Phategod2	Apr 7th, 2007 03:08:20 PM
??
Justifications for going to Iraq. by Colonel Activity	Apr 7th, 2007 03:09:19 PM
Almost every point that could be made has proven to be invalid. Whenever the argument is trotted out that "intelligence agencies, including the British, thought the Iraq had WMDs" I want to puke in someone's shoes. As has been shown time and time again as officials are coming forward and the documents are being uncovered, the intel was "fixed around" the idea to go to war. It was no secret to anyone that follows politics that neo-cons want America to begin a new sort of manifest destiny. PNAC layed it all out there. To say that the mainstream media is liberal is absolutely ridiculous. If they truly were liberal, then the pressure would be bearing down to impeach Bush right now. This is a man whom almost all historians ranked as one of the worst presidents of all time...before the 2004 elections. The press ate the tripe that the administration fed to the public. If anyone would have even looked at the situation in the Middle East, they would see the glaring fact that Saddam couldn't have been in cahoots with al Qaeda. Why? Well, Saddam was a street thug who murdered his way up the food chain to his golden bidet. Al Qaeda is led by a guy that came from a filthy rich family, but he gave up everything to be a religious zealot. So...a secular dictator and a religious fanatic are supposed to be partners? You have to be shitting me. The fact is, Saddam hated al Qaeda. The UN argument...well, guess what country has disobeyed the UN more than any other country in the world? Would you believe Israel? Our buddies. Why don't we invade them? Right now, American forces are in the middle of a civil war between Sunnis (backed by Saudi Arabia) and Shiites (backed by Iran). There are very few "terrorists" that attack American forces; that's just what FOX "News" wants you to believe. If you read only just a little bit, you could have seen that this whole premise for the invasion was shit. I figured it out, and I was 22 at the time...and drunk nearly 6 days out of 7.
You bastard Krack by MrJJonz	Apr 7th, 2007 03:11:07 PM
Now I hate you. Sleepless nights for the next month for me bacuse of that link and yet . . .I can't . . .stop . . .watching
and thank fuck it wan't the full ride by MrJJonz	Apr 7th, 2007 03:15:06 PM
Just 3 minutes of it. I'm sure it actually lasts for about 8 days. The hotel I was in had already checked me out when I returned after that ride.
I'm sorry, but the media would love to see Bush by superninja	Apr 7th, 2007 03:21:13 PM
impeached, just the reaction by the media to the existence of Fox News (whether or not you care for its content) is proof enough. The media is to the Left, most of the media's content is not based on reporting but editorializing.
Saddam didn't hate Al Qaida, that is dishonest. by superninja	Apr 7th, 2007 03:22:58 PM
He would work with them when it was useful, just like he would pretend to be a pious Muslim when it was convenient.
So then . . .Salma's monobrow in Frida by MrJJonz	Apr 7th, 2007 03:24:53 PM
way something to behold. That also gave me nightmares. One of my favourite women with a serious monobrow. I hope to god it was makeup and not just her letting herself go for the role.
Bayformers = modern art statues by MrJJonz	Apr 7th, 2007 03:27:35 PM
coming to a local park near you this July
I didn't know Hayek was pregnant. Who is by superninja	Apr 7th, 2007 03:28:55 PM
the daddy? She is a cute girl but she seems kind of nuts to me. Norton only goes out with crazy women.
I chose not to look by MrJJonz	Apr 7th, 2007 03:29:25 PM
But her kid is going to be biiiigggg - based on the size of those funbags before pregnancy
Grindhouse underperforms according to by superninja	Apr 7th, 2007 03:29:45 PM
the link at Drudge.
What did you think of the script CO. Activity by Phategod2	Apr 7th, 2007 03:32:31 PM
Was it the vomit inducing read I said it was.
Phate, I think we have a new member to by superninja	Apr 7th, 2007 03:33:36 PM
Camp Haterz.
WTF? by FreeFingers	Apr 7th, 2007 03:34:11 PM
Why are you guys talking about Iraq in a topic about transformers? LANDA IS AFRAID
Krack and superninja by Colonel Activity	Apr 7th, 2007 03:34:28 PM
Yeah, all the flag waving, jingoistic shit stopped right when we went to Afghanistan. In 2003, the Dixie Chicks couldn't even say that they hated Bush without getting crucified. That really sounds like a country that's questioning their leaders. And if you've forgotten, there's pictures of Rummy shaking hands with Saddam in the 80s. If you think that Cheney and Falwell are coming up with a game plan together, then you know nothing about today's political landscape. Neo-cons like Cheney and their ilk worship at the altar of CAPITALISM. They don't give a shit about religion. They just want their votes since the rest of the country is too intelligent for them. The word quagmire didn't appear until the run-up to the 2004 elections, when we were in a quagmire. I guarantee you. And as far as Fox "News", it's their blatant spin that pisses everyone off. "Fair and balanced" is the biggest crock of shit I've ever seen. Just because people see through the lies and bull shit doens'tmake them liberal. For instance, since the war is going horribly and NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, MSNBC, and PBS are reporting on it, does that make them liberal? That's what Fox "News" says. They always say, "They never report the good news," yet the only time I see a positive story about the war on FOX is when Ollie North interviews someone, trying to distract the public from another Bush blunder. This president is worse than Nixon, worse than Carter, shit, even worse than Ronnie Raygun, the man who's done more harm to this country than any other president. That is, of course, not counting Chimpy McFlightsuit.
Hayek is marrying a French guy? by superninja	Apr 7th, 2007 03:34:45 PM
Doomed.
Some billionare Old Dude by Phategod2	Apr 7th, 2007 03:34:51 PM
I'm sad a woman who remained on my Top 5 list of stars is off the market she was the highlight of that Pierce Brosnan Movie, with woody harrelson
I had no idea she was 40 she looks unbelievable by superninja	Apr 7th, 2007 03:36:03 PM
for her age, I should be so lucky. The French guy is the magnate behind Gucci, which means he's a beard. Or she's a beard, either or.
Phategod2 re: script by Colonel Activity	Apr 7th, 2007 03:37:08 PM
Absolute shit. I can't believe that someone got paid for it.
Colonel Activity, the Dixie Chicks were harassed by superninja	Apr 7th, 2007 03:37:27 PM
by individuals, not the US government or the media. They were, in fact, applauded by the media.
Col. Activity, as for Fox News, I don't find it by superninja	Apr 7th, 2007 03:39:47 PM
their shows any more offensive than any of the other talking head shows on cable news. Regarding your point about government and corporations back scratching and faux religion, I couldn't agree more, but it ain't just the Republicans doing it.
Salma is 40???? by MrJJonz	Apr 7th, 2007 03:40:29 PM
And marrying some french dude???? Damn she looks good and damn she never met short British man. Oh well, I will continue to save myself for Audrey. And don't go giving me any "about to get married to" . . I've had enough bad news today
Yay! See, Camp Haterz crosses political by superninja	Apr 7th, 2007 03:41:25 PM
boundaries. We are uniters, not dividers, unlike Camp Bay and their iron fist of LOVE.
re: Dixie Chicks by Colonel Activity	Apr 7th, 2007 03:41:26 PM
The Disie Chicks were boycotted by Clearchannel communications. The media reported on the story. The only places they were applauded was in some op/ed pages. They were vilified in other op/ed pages, by their whole industry, by the public, and they were branded Public Enemy number one by FOX...as Bush sent more soliders to die without the proper training or armor.
First of all, I don't think the Dixie Chicks being by superninja	Apr 7th, 2007 03:45:27 PM
boycotted by private corporations and individuals is related to Bush's military policy. One does not begat the other. The media for days acted like the Dixie Chicks were big martyrs for free speech, they got all kinds of covers, when Maines did not actually make any real points but just repeated soundbytes like celebrities are wont to do. The consumer market punished them, that's the way it goes. This type of stuff goes on all the time, people boycott things and advertisers pull things based on a small portion of the market complaining.
Good evening BSB by MrJJonz	Apr 7th, 2007 03:45:27 PM
you caps lock using, attention grabbing whore. ;)
A sad day by Phategod2	Apr 7th, 2007 03:46:43 PM
Now there are only 3 women on my list that have talent and/or smarts Christina Ricci, Hillary Swank, and Kerry Washington. The jury is still out on Scarlett Johansen.
And I never knew the dixie chicks by MrJJonz	Apr 7th, 2007 03:47:44 PM
were so important to US politics.
Al Gore, don't even get me started. To be honest by superninja	Apr 7th, 2007 03:47:55 PM
I can't stand either party and I suspect most Americans can't, either.
They're not MrJJonz, but you know the media by superninja	Apr 7th, 2007 03:49:05 PM
never talks about actual issues and the ideas in back of them it just plays on emotions like the politicians.
We have to be Haterz, it is like adding flames. by superninja	Apr 7th, 2007 03:49:55 PM
A sign of mocking derision!
Phategod2 by MrJJonz	Apr 7th, 2007 03:50:42 PM
When the hell did Christina Ricci get so damn sexy. She seemed a bit of a biffa to me and then I look back a couple of years later and I'm getting turned on. Pretty much same thing has happened with Nelly Fartharda. I've suddenly developed a bit of a crush her way
Ricci's been slamming since Casper by Phategod2	Apr 7th, 2007 03:53:28 PM
then she Got a breast reduction and lost almost too much weight. then BSM came out last month and now shes got my #1 spot.
Maybe I should have typed that by MrJJonz	Apr 7th, 2007 03:53:37 PM
FartHarder . . .I dunno seemed funny when she 1st burst on the scene . .well when I say funny I actually mean midly amusing . . .and by that I mean an unfunny play on words
Hillary Swank finally completed her transformation by superninja	Apr 7th, 2007 03:54:13 PM
into a man. She used to have a great body, but she dropped it to look like a beanpole. Scarlett is extremely pretty but has zero range. Kerry is pretty, she was great in Ray, but she needs to get better parts.
Furtado = Gwen wannabe. by superninja	Apr 7th, 2007 03:55:44 PM
She wishes! Gwen has turned into a freakish creation, but she is so entertaining.
BSB - THAT LAST TITLE MADE ME CHUCKLE by MrJJonz	Apr 7th, 2007 03:55:50 PM
and Phategod2 . . .Caspar really??? I think Sleepy Hollow for me when I first said Grrrrrr. . . in a sexual way
BSB - I agree with you on absolutely by superninja	Apr 7th, 2007 03:57:27 PM
nothing when it comes to politics. ;)
Gore is like if Barbara Streisand was a woman by superninja	Apr 7th, 2007 03:58:28 PM
with a beard. He is perfect for Hollywood, right where he belongs.
OK i was joking with Casper by Phategod2	Apr 7th, 2007 03:59:41 PM
Superninja Did you I think I love my wife. Not a great movie but it shows her with some range as a actress. I hope they do something with her Alicia Character on FF2
Does anyone know how old Fergie really is? by superninja	Apr 7th, 2007 04:00:09 PM
Because I'm pretty sure she is too old to be doing that.
What are you talking about... by subgeniuszero	Apr 7th, 2007 04:00:42 PM
...Gore's an animatronic anyway. He was engineered by Disney, who believed that the Jews were responsible for global warming.
Well by subgeniuszero	Apr 7th, 2007 04:01:45 PM
Not really. Just trying to brighten everyone's day.
Furtado is superHOT by S-Mart shopper	Apr 7th, 2007 04:02:12 PM
http://tinyurl.com/t6z2t
Stefani is a man by MrJJonz	Apr 7th, 2007 04:02:29 PM
Has she finished the final operation yet?? And when I said 1st time I went Grrrrr . . .I meant over Ricci . . .no 1st time ever. 1st time ever was over Lynda Carter when I started these strange sensations that made me feel funny all over. And I may now disappear for awhile as Amir Khan is fighting. C'mon Young lad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
S mart joins us tonight by MrJJonz	Apr 7th, 2007 04:04:10 PM
Hellooooo there. How you been doing. My last post for awhile. Amir Khan is really about to start
Fergie by Phategod2	Apr 7th, 2007 04:04:54 PM
was one of the Kids incorperated. I guessing mid to late 20's
MR JJonz you cheeky monky by Phategod2	Apr 7th, 2007 04:07:12 PM
Lynda Carter was my 1st hollywood Crush. For that reason I hold a special place in my heart for WW.
fergie got buttaface by S-Mart shopper	Apr 7th, 2007 04:07:59 PM

And I saw Lynda Carter a few years ago by MrJJonz	Apr 7th, 2007 04:08:58 PM
on UK TV interview and she looked fucking amazing. Not sure how old she is now but damn she looks good
Fergie looks knackered by MrJJonz	Apr 7th, 2007 04:10:30 PM
but sometimes I like her. Now fuck off with all this talk of hot women and let me watch the boxing . .also on HBO apparently
I prefered Erin Gray when I was a youngster by S-Mart shopper	Apr 7th, 2007 04:13:36 PM
http://tinyurl.com/yrg2nf
And don't start me on the joys of Erin Gray by MrJJonz	Apr 7th, 2007 04:16:24 PM
Another superhottie. Hasn't aged as well though. And Khan's opponent was weak. Bring on the Calzeghe fight
Erin Gray by MrJJonz	Apr 7th, 2007 04:17:26 PM
Such tight whitieness. Beedeeep beedeep, hello Erin
Lynda Carter is gorgeous. by superninja	Apr 7th, 2007 04:19:05 PM
And she is very appealing and likeable, I still think her Wonder Woman show is fun to watch just because she totally buys into the character.
Wonder Woman is played on a weekend by MrJJonz	Apr 7th, 2007 04:21:52 PM
on UK TV and I keep watching and she is just soooo hot. Takes over any thought of the character to me
Do they play the theme song by Phategod2	Apr 7th, 2007 04:23:26 PM
I hate when Sci-fi channels cuts the theme out and just plays the episode I feel Jipped.
Some bloke from The Contender by MrJJonz	Apr 7th, 2007 04:25:37 PM
is taking on Calzaghe . . what the deuce??? How the hell did this happen. Can Manfredi actually fight well????
Oh every glorious second is played by MrJJonz	Apr 7th, 2007 04:27:05 PM
You never miss a second of it's sexy cheesiness
Super fine by superninja	Apr 7th, 2007 04:31:26 PM
http://a1259.g.akamai.net/f/12 59/5586/5d/images.art.com/imag es/-/Tom-Selleck---Magnum-PI-- C10102247.jpeg
Not knowing anything about this modern day by MrJJonz	Apr 7th, 2007 04:32:24 PM
grindhouse . . .I would expect Rodriguez to make this work more than Tarantino. I know Tarantino basically copies alot of styles but Rodriguez for me just has abit more style(is that the right word for this) to make this happen. For me Dusk till Dawn, the 1st half was straight Tarantino, the second half was Rodriguez cutting loose and having some serious fun
I was looking around for a picture of Boxlightner by superninja	Apr 7th, 2007 04:32:51 PM
as Scarecrow, but couldn't find any so you guys lucked out. Hahah.
christina ricci by drave117	Apr 7th, 2007 04:34:42 PM
I didn't find her remotely attractive in Black Snake Moan. I just had an overwhelming urge to buy her a sandwich. And not one of those Subway sandwiches that Jared loves so much. We're talking a jumbo-sized Monte Cristo.
Superninja by MrJJonz	Apr 7th, 2007 04:38:38 PM
Yikes . . you like you some Selleck . . .so here's another and he has a big one http://tinyurl.com/2crwg r
Grindhouse flopped? by Colonel Activity	Apr 7th, 2007 04:42:42 PM
And also, I thought there were supposed to be Magnum P.I. and A-Team movies in the pipeline. With all the remakes, it's kinda nutty that they haven't already been made.
And I was talking about by MrJJonz	Apr 7th, 2007 04:46:48 PM
cordless phone - really look at the phone . . c'mon superninja draw your eyes away from that chest for a minute . . that phone should have a cord
Krack - LOL by MrJJonz	Apr 7th, 2007 04:56:37 PM
nuff said
What If Bay did ALF the movie? by Phategod2	Apr 7th, 2007 05:07:22 PM
any ideas on that one.
Alf would no longer eat cats by MrJJonz	Apr 7th, 2007 05:13:00 PM
He would have to search for a maguffin which would involve alot of broad daylight explosions. And when Alf runs you would no longer be able to tell what are his arms or legs. And he may have a mangina . . .yes I said mangina
Apparently Bay's next projects are by MrJJonz	Apr 7th, 2007 05:16:01 PM
Airwolf . . .helicopter with flames . . .streethawk . . .motorcycle with flames . . .and manimal . . .every animal he changes into has flames and a mangina
What If Bay did by Phategod2	Apr 7th, 2007 05:22:16 PM
Sixth Sense?
Sixth sense - the twist by MrJJonz	Apr 7th, 2007 05:28:57 PM
Instead of being dead, Bruce Willis is actually a living flame that befriends a young boy who wants to impress a girl with the loudest explosion that said flame can create. He often says " I see dead explosions". Later on you may actually see a flame on the boys clothes . . .just so he appears cool to the youth of today
And what about by Phategod2	Apr 7th, 2007 05:33:13 PM
Micheal Bay's "Bridges of Madison County"?
Think Bridge on the River Kwai by S-Mart shopper	Apr 7th, 2007 05:42:46 PM
except it has Shia Leboewolfe and Megan Foxxybrowneye in South America with Tyrese running a drug cartel yelling "BRING IT", lots of explosions, lots of cocaine.
Those Are Transformers? by MarkoOhNo	Apr 7th, 2007 05:50:01 PM
I thought that was a still from that credit card commercial with that ball of debris and people rolling down the hill.... Or was that a cell phone commercial...? Either way, I maintain the impression that this film will be equally as memorable. The only question: how far will I make it through the movie before storming out to demand my money back?
There would be a shot that showed by MrJJonz	Apr 7th, 2007 05:50:06 PM
flames on the bridge. Youth of today need something to relate to . . .right???
Much simpler to do transformers by MrJJonz	Apr 7th, 2007 05:54:03 PM
http://tinyurl.com/23ysc6
hehehe by S-Mart shopper	Apr 7th, 2007 05:54:12 PM
http://tinyurl.com/2bxf9f
S mart fanastic stuff by MrJJonz	Apr 7th, 2007 06:02:26 PM
"I'll use the universal greeting" "Universal greeting?"
"Soundwave superior. . .Constructicons inferior" by MrJJonz	Apr 7th, 2007 06:06:33 PM

Buzz... by Colonel Activity	Apr 7th, 2007 06:10:15 PM
is it just me, or is Spider-Man 3 missing the hype that was attached to the two previous installments?
Also... by Colonel Activity	Apr 7th, 2007 06:11:45 PM
does Kirsten Dunst aim Tobey Maguire's arm and use it as a weapon?
Theres plenty O' Hype by Phategod2	Apr 7th, 2007 06:17:47 PM
there not ramming t he Commercial down our throat but Spiderman day at Toys R'us he's all over the internet and the new trailer at the theater last week. Spidermania has begun.
He's also by subgeniuszero	Apr 7th, 2007 06:20:38 PM
all over Wal*Mart.
I should have known, Krack and Superninja by Style_92	Apr 7th, 2007 06:35:16 PM
There was an air of republicanism debating with you about transformers before it became polictical. arrogance, baiting, ignorance, and changing tactics erratically. All makes sense now.
Wait, #18, "Grimlock looks awesome?" by Style_92	Apr 7th, 2007 06:40:21 PM
I saw that vid. He looked like a fucking zord from power rangers. Best evidence yet redesigning the robots wasn't such a bad idea. You also left out the part where you lost credibility by failing to grasp the subtleties of Bumblebee's character in G1 and thought he was defined merely by being the small, weak VW Bug.
You know what would make Transformers even better? by Colonel Activity	Apr 7th, 2007 06:42:29 PM
Orlando Bloom. Anytime you cast someone opposite of Keira Knightly and she's more butch, than that guy is diesel. Can you imagine how bad ass he'd make this movie? It would totally make up for no asshole lines from Starscream.
It's not bay's fault Bumblebee aint a vw bug. by Style_92	Apr 7th, 2007 06:46:30 PM
VW wouldn't clear the rights, because they don't want their products depicted as war machines. but, Bay does include a nice "fuck you" to VW by including a Bug sitting next to Bumblebee, to signal and remind people of the connection and make it an issue. problem is, you're stupidly blaming the wrong guy.
Besides, AICN consensus is usually wrong anyway. by Style_92	Apr 7th, 2007 06:47:13 PM
truth.
RE: Bonecrusher name by Colonel Activity	Apr 7th, 2007 06:48:20 PM
Transformers have bones?
Edendums by Phategod2	Apr 7th, 2007 06:50:07 PM
1. This website received PARTIAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION 2.Nucleur Man Destroyed the franchise the 1st time 3.Someguy names Ganymede286whatever actually likes that script. 4. It's a Small world haunts everyone as much as the little girl from Small Wonder
Bumblebee by Colonel Activity	Apr 7th, 2007 06:50:17 PM
Bay said that he didn't want him to be a Bug because he didn't want him to be confused with Herbie.
No, but there IS an in-script explanation for that. by Style_92	Apr 7th, 2007 06:53:05 PM
In the script, Prime mentions that the Transformer's REAL names are unpronouncible (by humans) blocks of mathematical patterns. Therefore, the names are TRANSLATED into english. and as any one who's translated from one language to another know, that's a fluid and not neccissarily one-to-one process. So, Bonecrusher's real name may refer to concepts only making sense to transformers, (something like "nanotechnological support frame destabilizer,") but the name was translated into something that would both make more sense and be terrifying to humans.
That is the most dumbfuck explanation since why... by Optimus Murphy	Apr 7th, 2007 06:55:28 PM
...they put a PUSSY ON OPTIMUS. "Cause the Gen-1 designs lacked female genitals, TOO BLOCKY"
colonel activity, that's spin by Style_92	Apr 7th, 2007 06:56:04 PM
He didn't want to admit they got bitch-slapped by the rights. People who are actual Transformers fans know that this Has been an issue for a while. For example: The Transformers Classics line is a complete remake of G1 just enhancing the original designs. And it is awesome. But Bumblebee is still not a VW Bug. They still couldn't clear the rights.
Actually the decepticons have no names by Phategod2	Apr 7th, 2007 07:01:39 PM
The Name are simply for credits and Toys they never refer to themselves or are referred to buy specific Names. Like the Chick with purple Hair who was supposed to be Psylocke, or Kid Omega, in X3 unless your in the know, or collect the new toys you wont know who is who.
Maybe cause Volkswagen saw a CUNT ON BUMBLEBEE... by Optimus Murphy	Apr 7th, 2007 07:03:06 PM
...in his robot mode. That could be why they wouldn't give Bay the rights. No, it isn't just a PUSSY ON OPTIMUS, or as they say on Cybertron in Transformers language "Nanotechnological Matter Vacuum".
Megatron is referred to by name by Style_92	Apr 7th, 2007 07:03:31 PM
by the characters in the script. I know that for sure. I'm pretty sure Starscream is too, but on that one I may be wrong. The other ones are fairly nameless though.
SO VW make the only Compact cars on earth by Phategod2	Apr 7th, 2007 07:06:52 PM
What the rational for making BB a late 70's Muscle Car. In all respect BB is a better car then Jazz a POS pontiac Solstice. has Bay nver seen a Ford focus and dont tell me Hyundai wouldn't sell him the rights they got those things on 2 for 1 now.
Megatron I was wrong but the rest by Phategod2	Apr 7th, 2007 07:08:46 PM
are not.
But Phategod2, MUST BB be a compact? by Style_92	Apr 7th, 2007 07:10:30 PM
There would have been value in retaining his original car form. But that wasn't possible. So why must he be a similar car? From what I hear, they now have a different justification for his name. And Camaro's do look nice in Yellow and Black, which is very much like a Bumblebee.
Well, first krack that's not a direct quote. by Style_92	Apr 7th, 2007 07:13:38 PM
Secondly, the VW rights were an insurmountable issue that has plagued Transformers since before this movie was announced. Bay is just going for pissing rights of saying "It was my decision." But it wasn't.
Honestly Krack by Style_92	Apr 7th, 2007 07:16:41 PM
you don't know how to make an intelligent point. Firstly, Bumblebee plays back that song, not sing it. Secondly, instead of trying to debate me or make a point, you just say something snide and smartass. And just because the word smart is in the word smartass, doesn't mean you're inteligent.
The simple fact that he's not defending by Phategod2	Apr 7th, 2007 07:20:19 PM
this movie shows intelligents.
Phategode, That's appeal to ego. by Style_92	Apr 7th, 2007 07:22:01 PM
Not Logic.
the anti-tf crowd are all running on group-think. by Style_92	Apr 7th, 2007 07:24:57 PM
"Hey those guys don't like it! and co-opting a pre-existing opinion is much is easier than self thought!"
You ask must he be compact car? by Phategod2	Apr 7th, 2007 07:26:54 PM
That what he was, it fit his personality. Everything you come up with defending this movie comes across as a underthought excuse. Like Orci and Kutzman Rifling off excuses left and right for why this or that has been changed truth is this movie is TINO.
I can't speak for anyone but me by Phategod2	Apr 7th, 2007 07:30:39 PM
But I was abhorant when I saw Truck model for Prime, and the bot model for Megatron. I'm sure there are people like that But I and many other OG haterz are not. Don't get it twisted.
haters derailing the movie by drave117	Apr 7th, 2007 10:41:06 PM
No, we are just talking back and expressing our opinion. Kind of like what you are supposed to do IN A TALKBACK! This talkback would be boring as hell to read if it were just a bunch of people squeeing about how much this movie is going to kick ass. What, we're not allowed to have an opinion? Only you guys are? Screw that noise! Anyway, I don't think there are any of us who actually don't want the movie to be entertaining. We just don't feel like it will be.
and, for the last time by drave117	Apr 7th, 2007 10:44:02 PM
We don't want the movie to exactly look like the oldschool Transformers either. Hmm. Maybe I should make up a summary of the actual hater complaints, much like Krack did for the entire talkback.
Style, you genius, you. I am not a Republican. by superninja	Apr 7th, 2007 11:12:47 PM
They are not conservative enough for me! Bwahahahahah....
gany continues to avoid our main point. There is no by superninja	Apr 7th, 2007 11:14:24 PM
good movie here if they are using THAT SCRIPT. Even with some dialogue work - UNSALVAGEABLE.
A true fact about gany. by superninja	Apr 7th, 2007 11:16:13 PM
For whatever reason, gany will praise this movie, even if all of the reviews come back torpedoing it, even if every single last person says it sucked. Only if Michael Bay himself admitted it sucked would gany's mind change. See how that works?
Maybe this movie has more depth than we realize. by superninja	Apr 7th, 2007 11:21:11 PM
Maybe "More Than Meets the Eye" is the real theme of the film, and Bay is disguising the Transformers from their own selves! And even from the people watching the movie, it's a disguise within a disguise. Wow. Deeeeep.
Bah humbug Gany.... by Hairy Nutsack	Apr 7th, 2007 11:21:51 PM
The only reason we keep talking about this stupid thing is because the studio keeps releasing promotional materials, promotional materials that continue to show this thing for the shit it is. As long as they promote it we're going to be slagging it, simple enough formula. And what's this bullshit about everything getting rave reviews? Besides the constant hatred from people like the fellas here, the consensus was that the robot animation and action looked cool but the human part was lame in the 3 snippets of the movie people have seen. Stop rewriting history pal.
Style, sorry, bub. We've flubbed up in a few places by superninja	Apr 7th, 2007 11:22:03 PM
but your side isn't exactly arguing from a place of infalliable reason, ya know.
Infallible, pardon me. by superninja	Apr 7th, 2007 11:23:47 PM
I mean we have Don Murphy himself on tape saying what the film is based on, G1, and mentioning the mythology specifically.
I think Chuck Heston is a fun actor. by superninja	Apr 7th, 2007 11:34:05 PM
Everyone always slammed him, but I've gone back and watched some of his movies and he's hammy but in a good way.
Also Colonel Activity has read the script and by superninja	Apr 7th, 2007 11:36:48 PM
has made regular visits to Camp Haterz. I think that is a pretty convincing arguement right there - what did the good Colonel have to lose in reading it when all he wanted is a fun movie about robots punching each other?
Prime Time with optimus Prime.... by Hairy Nutsack	Apr 7th, 2007 11:39:22 PM
Have you guys seen these on YouTube yet? Too funny! Episode 1 - http://tinyurl.com/2wjhpl Episode 2 - http://tinyurl.com/2qguwa Episode 3 - http://tinyurl.com/3cozk7 Episode 4 - http://tinyurl.com/2uc89n Pay special attention to Episode 4 Ganymede, it stars your favorite GorillaChicken Starscream.
Uh, because they've decided that they are by superninja	Apr 7th, 2007 11:39:36 PM
going to be positive about this to maintain their relationships and they have no personal interest in the source material.
Episode 3 is awesome, those things by superninja	Apr 7th, 2007 11:43:38 PM
are sooo creepy!
I'm sure we'll get to hear what Harry ate for by superninja	Apr 7th, 2007 11:59:28 PM
breakfast and how much he loves him some Michael Bay's Transformers.
There was an interesting article recently about by superninja	Apr 8th, 2007 12:06:24 AM
the ice caps on Mars melting. The scientist who had studied it suggests that the sun is getting hotter. There is also an Israeli astrophysicist who has done research on global temperature patterns and found that as the sun goes through solar cycles its magnetic field increases and wanes. The magnetic field provides a buffer for Earth against cosmic radiation and he attributes this to changes in the Earth's temperatures historically, I think he is still doing research. That is to say everyone agrees that climate change occurs what they disagree on in man's contribution to it. Obviously there is a whole lot of money in global warming as well.
Mori threw his 2cents in before semiTFD by S-Mart shopper	Apr 8th, 2007 12:07:49 AM
I believe the posted pic peek his interest.
Al Gore is full of shit anyway.... by Hairy Nutsack	Apr 8th, 2007 12:16:03 AM
Just last week he admitted before Congress that CO2 levels almost always rise AFTER the Earth's temperature heats up, not before. Not to mention the fact that he and his family own more than one SUV. Fuck AL Gore, he's a goddam hypocrite. And here's some hard science for everyone, we would lower CO2 throughout the world by cutting down old trees and then replacing then with new ones. Trees absorb CO2 throughout their lives and release oxygen, when they die they absorb oxygen and release all the CO2 they absorbed as part of the natural decay process, it's a 1 to 1 balance, there is no positive gain. So all these Hollywood assholes buying carbon offsets are also full of shit.
That Halloween trailer looked like crap. by S-Mart shopper	Apr 8th, 2007 12:17:32 AM

they did it so Rob could make more changes after by S-Mart shopper	Apr 8th, 2007 12:34:59 AM
the negative feedback, again.
Changes in global weather patterns will cause by superninja	Apr 8th, 2007 12:37:24 AM
populations to shift. Do you really want Hollywood out where you are? I wouldn't. Also, have you heard some scientists saying oil is inorganic in origin and that we're not running out anytime soon?
"millions of miles of power lines and transformers" by S-Mart shopper	Apr 8th, 2007 12:41:40 AM
there will be no TF talk, thank you.
Mars water could have life, but conditions for by superninja	Apr 8th, 2007 12:43:36 AM
life to exist are actually very rare, I think they look at the ice as potential for terraformation. Mars is also outside the galactic habitable zone which would make it difficult to maintain life there even if you could change the atmosphere - it is too far from the Sun.
you ever burb and taste something you KNOW you haven't by S-Mart shopper	Apr 8th, 2007 12:44:11 AM
eaten in some time? 'cause I just did and I won't be eating boiled eggs till tomorrow.
870 KRLA in Los Angeles. by superninja	Apr 8th, 2007 12:44:53 AM
I heard a commercial for it.
Allz I'm sayin' is that climate change happens by superninja	Apr 8th, 2007 12:48:25 AM
and that wars get fought over scarcity of resources, population shifts, and things like that. I agree there is no point wasting time pretending humans are causing it and diverting resources unnecessarily, but you have to understand this is their religious belief.
Mr Spork, it turns out there is a market for by superninja	Apr 8th, 2007 12:49:55 AM
that whole conservative thangee. Who knew?
Can we just get Mr. Nip and Tuck away from by superninja	Apr 8th, 2007 12:51:17 AM
Dr. Doom? If Dr. Doom were real, he would nuke something for that portrayal.
superninja, sounds like the plot to a Bay movie by S-Mart shopper	Apr 8th, 2007 12:54:05 AM
I blame transformers...the movie.
Miller did a rant on smoking back then by S-Mart shopper	Apr 8th, 2007 01:03:50 AM
he equated smoking cigarettes to standing over a campfire and inhaling..."if you're saying you didn't know smoking was bad for ya, you're lying through the hole in your trachea"
The Connection by MarkoOhNo	Apr 8th, 2007 04:11:21 AM
For anyone who's wondering why global warming and oil spills are being discussed in a Transformers Movie talkback: the general topic is "things that suck and will never be changed due to arrogance and greed". So obviously this conversation fits. lol
Yep by Seph_J	Apr 8th, 2007 04:20:15 AM
Kracks brain is certainly one of the "things that suck and will never be changed due to arrogance and greed"
Seph by MarkoOhNo	Apr 8th, 2007 04:40:41 AM
Don't change the topic.
What are the Religous Applications with transformer by Phategod1	Apr 8th, 2007 05:44:43 AM
in todays America? That what we really want to know.
Krack And Superninja... by TheRealMoriarty	Apr 8th, 2007 06:35:12 AM
... I don't have a relationship with Michael Bay to maintain. He's already convinced I hate him and his movies. I also don't have any particular like for this material, or nostalgia for it. I've been screamed at in talkback over this before. I'm not going to be dismissive of the original cartoon, since it's obviously important to many of you. It's just not something I have any regard for it in particular. In the end, I'll judge this as a movie. And I do like these particular images, and some of the new material we're seeing in commercials. If this is a good giant-robots-breaking-shit movie, that might be enough for me. I'm just not watching it with any sort of nostalgia filter in place, so don't be surprised if I'm not here in the talkbacks acting upset about whatever choices are being made.
EASTER SUNDAY PUSSY ON OPTIMUS... by Optimus Murphy	Apr 8th, 2007 07:47:07 AM
Only a few more holidays until the JULY 4th PUSSY ON OPTIMUS.
Don't you mean by subgeniuszero	Apr 8th, 2007 10:15:49 AM
Religious IMPLICATIONS? Religious Applications sounds like you're putting on a Jesus Fragrance Body Wash.
RE: Living in California by Colonel Activity	Apr 8th, 2007 10:24:24 AM
Seems utterly pointless and entirely too hot. This girl I know moved to San Fran and she's paying 1050 a month in rent alone and she makes 30 grand a year. I'm sorry, I've been to San Fran and I'd rather pay 750 for the same apartment and get paid 40 grand working the same job while living in Chicago...oh, and ubless you're in the entertainment industry, there is no reason to live in LA. What a shithole...
yackbacker.... by Seph_J	Apr 8th, 2007 10:50:21 AM
you didn't miss anything. Just a bunch of jingo yanks blindly defending the American dream and proving their ignorance of other countries. Was fun while it lasted. Although somebody ought to shut the stupid Americans up. Whenever they speak they only prove everyone else right.
You've basically said that before, Mori. by superninja	Apr 8th, 2007 12:04:41 PM
I was speaking more of your co-laborers in respect to the Bay love-in. :) If you have no nostalgia for the cartoon I can certainly understand, however, I think there is a valid discussion to be had about adapting a property and then changing things around to the point so as to make it a different property. Happy Easter everyone!
Colonel Activity, it's not hot compared to the by superninja	Apr 8th, 2007 12:08:24 PM
rest of the US. And we don't have humidity! The other plus (if you actually use it) is that you have access to the snow, beach, valleys, mountains, desert, forests, etc.
Seph, are you now going to make every comment by superninja	Apr 8th, 2007 12:10:32 PM
political because you can't get past someone's ideaological preferences? Very arrogant and narrow-minded of you.
Bumblebee = Kitted-out Chevy Cobalt. by JusticeSabre	Apr 8th, 2007 01:20:31 PM
An American car that could have EASILY worked: http://i17.tinypic.com/ 33ayk8z.jpg
i leave this TB for a few days and now its about global by wcoop893	Apr 8th, 2007 03:26:45 PM
warming? thats funny. but yeah you may be a dick if you think global warming doesnt exist. thats just my opinion. transforerms is gonna rock, by the way
Seph... lol by MarkoOhNo	Apr 8th, 2007 03:45:18 PM
Given the indisputably powerful influence America has on the rest of the world, if we're all so stupid, wouldn't that take you a step back from stupid to brain-dead? lol At best, you would go from being potentially intelligent (yeah, right) to stupid as the average American. Frankly, the entire human race is full of idiots becoming dumber by the moment. And your posts seem to drain more brain cells than alcohol and marijuana combined. Why contribute to the dumbing of the world?
I wonder which lucky lady had the PUSSY ON OPTIMUS... by Optimus Murphy	Apr 8th, 2007 04:33:25 PM
...modeled after her own. Bay's mom? Murphy's sister? Shia? Somebody will have to watch the credits for it, I guess.
well what did I miss? by Deus Vult	Apr 8th, 2007 05:56:02 PM
900-something posts and I show up late. never fails. well boys, what did I miss? is Jonz still, ahem MrJJonz Esq still around? anybody?
Bay... by MarkoOhNo	Apr 8th, 2007 06:13:34 PM
Yeah... he's SUCH a huge fan of the Transformers franchise. You can tell from the reverence with which he speaks about the iconic characters and the legendary voice actors behind them. :P The sad thing is, the movie will probably do well on its opening weekend simply because nobody ever thinks anymore to demand money back on a bad movie. Once Monday comes around and water cooler chat has killed the hype, the film will be dead and replaced by something else a week from the Friday after, at the latest. I only hope it's not too long before someone with talent and reverence picks up the rights. Or maybe Spielberg will replace everyone (Bay, Murphey - everyone) for the sequels?
Millions dying on coasts? by Hairy Nutsack	Apr 8th, 2007 07:20:50 PM
You know that scientist commisioned from the UN that Al Gore likes to quote? How come that scientist says the world's water levels will rise 23 inches if the ice caps melt and Al Gore says it will rise like 20 feet, and that he's quoting that same scientist? Who's lying here? And another thing, since ice displaces more water than water does, doesn't that mean the water levels should actually lower rather than rise? BTW, more people die from cold each year than heat, and the growing season is extended, meaning more potential food growth. Yeah, this whole 1 degree on average warming trend over the last 100 years is an absolute disaster. Yeah it's happening, but all the ASSHOLES and political BULLSHIT that has been attached to that 1 degree is ridiculous. Did I mention it's only 1 degree?
I'll throw you a bone Gany.... by Hairy Nutsack	Apr 8th, 2007 07:46:52 PM
I'm not going to deny that the CGI is topnotch work, but what else should we expect from ILM? Except for the seemingly featherweight "Starscream" on the bridge scene, the CGI in this thing is just as good as it should be coming from the pioneers of such technology. The animators did a great job creating life-like things that are supposed to be Transformers, so fucking what.
I just realized what Gany sounds like.... by Hairy Nutsack	Apr 8th, 2007 07:48:06 PM
Remember all the pwnage and box office dominance promised by the Browncoats?
It is ILM's best work to date, they put a realistic... by Optimus Murphy	Apr 8th, 2007 08:09:13 PM
...PUSSY ON OPTIMUS. That's nothing to sneeze at, or just go down on.
Krack... by TheRealMoriarty	Apr 8th, 2007 08:54:36 PM
... if you're just going to pad this talkback for some reason, stop. I'm not sure what your agenda is, but derailing it with decades-old global warming quotes is as off-topic as it gets. Stop. Seriously.
Incomprehensible? by Hairy Nutsack	Apr 8th, 2007 09:30:43 PM
The robots running and walking, hell even the transforming is great CGI animation, but you think Starscream looks good when he flips onto the bridge? He looks like a friggin cartoon gorilla there, and I'm not even talking about his overall gorilla appearance. There's a funky cartoony, very fake look to the way he swings up there. There's just no feeling of weight or anything, unlike the superb job that was done making King King, another giant gorilla thing, look gigantic and heavy like he should. Ironic isn't it, they made Starscream look like a cartoon. LMFAO
Of course ILM animators say it's their best cgi ever by S-Mart shopper	Apr 8th, 2007 10:13:38 PM
they're still getting a paycheck.
I had no idea we were required to stay on topic by superninja	Apr 8th, 2007 10:32:26 PM
in talkbacks. Huh.
gany your a tool by Phategod1	Apr 9th, 2007 02:42:12 AM
You hated Starscream the first time you saw that shot and now your back on the bandwagon your fraud the biggest phony in the TB what your are is a Passive troll.
Photorealistic CGI? by GibsonUSA Returns	Apr 9th, 2007 02:50:27 AM
I have yet to see a movie with it. Every time there is extensive CGI, its blatantly obvious that its CGI. The only time CGI seems to be effectively used is when its used as a support device, like in Blades of Glory with the spins and all that. But when its full-on CGI like Jar Jar, its NEVER photo-realistic or believeable.
MarkoOhNo... by Seph_J	Apr 9th, 2007 03:17:31 AM
...you wouldn't happen to be American too would you? Ha ha ha, talk about prove my point. If you had ignored my comments completely, you would have done less damage than saying something that proves everything I have been saying.
It's stupid shit like.... by Hairy Nutsack	Apr 9th, 2007 04:02:54 AM
..."of the decade" that completely proves you have no fucking credibility whatsoever Gany. This thing is coming out during one of the most crowded summers ever, even Don Murphy himself admitted he's afraid of Harry Potter on Seibertron.com. Then there's Spidey and Jack Sparrow to contend with. TF isn't going to be movie of the year, let alone the decade.
Moronic complaints? by Hairy Nutsack	Apr 9th, 2007 04:18:26 AM
Dear god you are a brainless gas bag. There is nothing worse than unrealistic FX, they pull you out of the film experience entirely. I am currently taking an advanced animation class in college and I have had TWO courses on physics prior to this. The first was general physics, the second was physics in animation. All animation software calculates mass, gravity, momentum, friction, and all that other cool shit that gives you the ability to make CGI animation believable, but who needs any of that moronic physics stuff when you're the one sitting in the audience Ganymede?
Flames on Op by LordMaker	Apr 9th, 2007 05:28:42 AM
That flame design must have been influenced by the Rodimus Prime charecter.
"Cult Following"?? by MarkoOhNo	Apr 9th, 2007 06:56:55 AM
Snakes On A Plane had a bigger cult following than Transformers supposedly has and look how well that turned out. I want to see Transformers rule over the Summer movie releases. This, however, is not Transformers. I want this pathetic hack "reimagining" to fail like it should. (The script in itself is utter crap, much less the film's direction/vision. Even that Larry The Cable Guy health inspector movie probably had a better script. lol) Maybe when it bombs Bay & Murphy will pull their collective heads out of each other's asses and construct a REAL Transformers movie. :P
Seph by MarkoOhNo	Apr 9th, 2007 07:07:36 AM
EVERYthing proves your point when you're an inept tool. As such, in your schizophrenic little mind, you'll continue to always see yourself as winning every "debate". When in reality the rest of the world is snickering behind your back.
Yeah... by MarkoOhNo	Apr 9th, 2007 11:46:10 AM
...and 3) Al Gore invented the internet & provided your opinions, so therefore it must be true. lol
Fuck the flames..... by RonJeremyIrons	Apr 9th, 2007 12:35:29 PM
Fuck them up their stupid asses! Oh, and Kurt Russell is the sexiest, most laughingest bean pole on the planet....um, yeah
LOL by MarkoOhNo	Apr 9th, 2007 04:39:51 PM
Gany, you ignorant slut. (lol Sorry, always wanted to say that.) The internet was born almost before Al Gore was, and was in place before he was old enough to graduate from grade school. He may have passed legislation which helped it to become what it is today, but the claim that he "invented the internet" is still categorically preposterous.
The Truth Is... by MarkoOhNo	Apr 9th, 2007 05:01:57 PM
...inventing the internet was just #1 on Al Gore's list of claims. Soon to come... #2: that he single-handedly won WWII by planning D-Day and inventing the nuclear bomb. #3: that he has invented time travel. And #4: that he is Batman.
krack, do they ever stay on topic? On the by superninja	Apr 9th, 2007 06:18:38 PM
Flash/GA talkback, there is a guy posting large off topic paragraphs, yet, no comment from Mori.
Trolling again by Phategod2	Apr 9th, 2007 06:30:19 PM
Man you crack me up. Gany is what you call a new age troll. (Trolling for atention without being a complete ass.) There's nothing wrong with anticipating this movie, theres nothing wrong with enjoying aspects you've seen already, But when you say asinine statements like "movie of the decade" and all the rediculous Box office predictions you've made i just Desire to be flamed MNG supports this movie but he has not made any of the Dumbass claims you have made. I pointed out twice already that in poll interest in this move is dwarfed almost 4 to 1 by Spiderman 3. I've seen poll in a list of movies to see this fall under SM3, shrek3, and PoTC3. As for most downloaded. That teaser was a piece o shit in the theater i went to it garned Chuckles thats about it. the second trailer was F'n lame. the Third the one that Bay wanted me to see that detract all the haters Failed miserably. Gany youre troll. Plain and simple there is no way any human being with half a brain cell could honestly enjoy that script so unless you ride the short bus to school theres no way you don't have the slightest objection to that tripe. Do I want this movie to fail. If it sucks hel yes I want it to fail I dont want TF's to have to suffer Transformers PT. Duex by Micheal bay in 3 years. But if this movie was being handled by a verteran director that didn't have a general disdain for the source material I wouldn't have a problem but he didn't want the project to begin with that does not bode well for any project.
CORRECTIONS by Phategod2	Apr 9th, 2007 07:34:46 PM
You show a desire to be Flamed. Polls. A Poll in a list of summer movies and interest fall behind.... garnered hell but he (bay) didn't want the project to begin with, and that does not bode well for any movie.
Gany by MarkoOhNo	Apr 9th, 2007 07:51:10 PM
This movie's gonna blow shreds alright. Luckily you'll be there with a mop & bucket. The only Transformer fans who like what they've seen are ones who are numbly satiated by the crap products & cartoons made recently under the license, and those blindly worshipping Bay and/or Murphy... and those who cream their pants every time they watch effects-laden, story-weak drivel like The Fast And The Furious, Volcano, Independence Day and The Day After Tomorrow. Good popcorn flick, maybe, if you have no love for G1 Transformers and don't care for a story so long as pretty laser blasts keep you occupied.
If Transformers Does Well In The Box Office... by MarkoOhNo	Apr 9th, 2007 07:57:13 PM
...imagine what it could do if it were done RIGHT!
I'm Sorry, But... by MarkoOhNo	Apr 9th, 2007 08:01:19 PM
...I just have to say..."Movie of the Decade"...?? lol I'm sorry, I love the license but... are you forgetting Lord of the Rings, among many, many others (and more likely to come)?? Transformers won't even be invited to the Oscars much less receive a single nomination. So where are you getting this?? lol Crazy. Oh, hey, Gany! You'd better run! Looks like the short bus is drivin' off without ya!
I'm too old to be a New age anything by Phategod2	Apr 9th, 2007 08:33:46 PM
I call em how I see em. If this movie Rocks I'll make a thread and apologize to everyone except Don 2'C's. But There's a big difference between having a difference of Opinion and general Bad taste. As for your assertion about Websites dedicated to TF's well seeing as how I belong to one have ever noticed How you know everyone that post regularly you notice the same 10-15 people posting on subject thats a fairly small audience. Tell me the buzz for the people who have no Idea what a TF is. The people Who didn't know what a grindhouse was, or a Snake on a plane. Yeah good luck with that 4th of July Predictions. My prediction is.. If the movie bombs gany will pull another Jim Kerry and say how much it sucks and how he knew it would suck from the 1st time he saw Starscream. Then when the DVD comes out he'll be like wait to you see the deleted scenes i twill be the best DVD since LotR. Kids Hide you Billy goats from this guy.
I'm too old to be a New age anything by Phategod2	Apr 9th, 2007 08:33:51 PM
I call em how I see em. If this movie Rocks I'll make a thread and apologize to everyone except Don 2'C's. But There's a big difference between having a difference of Opinion and general Bad taste. As for your assertion about Websites dedicated to TF's well seeing as how I belong to one have ever noticed How you know everyone that post regularly you notice the same 10-15 people posting on subject thats a fairly small audience. Tell me the buzz for the people who have no Idea what a TF is. The people Who didn't know what a grindhouse was, or a Snake on a plane. Yeah good luck with that 4th of July Predictions. My prediction is.. If the movie bombs gany will pull another Jim Kerry and say how much it sucks and how he knew it would suck from the 1st time he saw Starscream. Then when the DVD comes out he'll be like wait to you see the deleted scenes i twill be the best DVD since LotR. Kids Hide you Billy goats from this guy.
Krack for mayor by Phategod2	Apr 9th, 2007 09:14:23 PM
I just looked the Shai Labeowulf interview God How I'm starting to hat that little Dueche And Capone told him don't read the TB's what is the point of having it? What is the point of giving us voice if your going to tell us we don't matter. Now As a mob mentality we do tend to be a bit brutal at times but this is Website dedicated to To giving the Raw and honest truth about movies. Some time mid last year this web site started Losing it's balls and now participates in the Hollywood PR song and dance. I remember when Harry Co. would stuick to there preconceived notions of how much a movie would suck based on there leaks, Did I need to see Batman & Robin to know it sucked? "hell no" Do I need to see that they mixed StarScream up with apeface to know this is a POS? No. I just wonder is this the end of the Hard hitting, fecal matter throwing journalism we were used to. Or will take a B slap from Micheal Bay to piss harry and the staff off to where they used to be.and sorry for the double post.
Krack... by MarkoOhNo	Apr 10th, 2007 01:10:35 AM
...I heard Michael Bay loves you...? Oh wait, my mistake - he loves CRACK. Honest mistake. Sorry, didn't mean to panic you. lol
Horse To The Shit by TheRealMoriarty	Apr 10th, 2007 01:28:12 AM
Krack, you wrote: Honestly, I think it was the "If we bash this film before it comes out then we'll NEVER get set visits on Bay's films again - but we look like assholes for ignoring a 1,900 post talkback, while simultaneously being unable to shutup about a movie that pulled in $11 million on it's opening weekend," issue. I was just getting mildly spanked (somewhere Shia LaBeouf just got a woody) for pointing out that the AICN editors no longer have complete carte blanche to point out crap. Nonsense. Bay already assumes I hate his movies sight unseen. We have carte blanche to write anything we want, and we do. But just because you feel a certain way about TRANSFORMERS doesn't mean we're obligated to echo you, any more than we're obligated to echo something a studio says. As I've said... repeatedly... I don't care about this film one way or another. If it's a rotten film, I'll say so once I've seen it. If it's a fun film, I'll say so once I've seen it. In the meantime, you're expending vast amounts of energy on it, but that doesn't mean we have to. Quint seems to be the most interested of any of us, and even he's hardly jumping up and down calling it the second coming. He seems to like the robot mayhem he's seen. Beyond that, I don't recall him ever giving it some blanket endorsement. More and more, it seems like you want us to be your parrots, and if we're not, then we've "sold out." Au contraire. I reserve the right to have my own opinion on this or GRINDHOUSE or any other film that comes out, and I won't be bullied by fandom any more than I will be by publicists.
Yeah, Mori you are a writer you should read the by superninja	Apr 10th, 2007 04:18:53 PM
script so you can see a great example of how to not write a script from screenwriting 101.
Seriously, it is that bad. If it was trying to be by superninja	Apr 10th, 2007 04:20:59 PM
bad on purpose, that would be one thing, but it's not.
I Don't Know... by MarkoOhNo	Apr 10th, 2007 05:01:43 PM
At this point, I suppose bashing the film isn't gonna help much. It's far enough into post-production that there's no way they'd make the significant changes they'd need to make, and there's no way they won't release it. Even if Gany, Bay and Murphy are the only ones to go see it and not demand their money back, that's still $30 they wouldn't make if it's not released. lol Straight-to-video quality, brought to ya on the BIG screen! YEAH!! :P All I can say is: if you go to see it, when you're disappointed - and you will be - demand your money back. Send them a message that the fans of The Transformers demand more than an exploitive use of the license on a horribly weak script and lame duck direction.
An Idea... by MarkoOhNo	Apr 10th, 2007 05:03:36 PM
They should store this in the vault. Hold on to it. Don't release it yet. Make a GOOD Transformers movie. Wait maybe a year after THAT one's released, then release this one as a comedy under the title "Not Another Transformers Movie". LOL
The thing is Krank... by pjdon	Apr 10th, 2007 05:13:38 PM
He was saying it to an actor who we have no reason to slag. He should ignore what we say because his is a hard enough proffesion as it is. He is not like Bay who is making desisions on what happens in a film. Bay should listen to us but LaBeouf should concentrating on not letting this whole bitchy Hollywood talkback poison world drag him down.
I'm sure being a young by pjdon	Apr 10th, 2007 05:40:58 PM
actor of LaBeoufs age and never having a real base and having millions of people judge you while trying to commit to your art is hard. I labour intensively every day on building sites but i'm sure my mental health is better than someone who has people like us putting him down and producers trying to control him. Just because he is famous doesn't mean a director would treat him any differently than another actor.
PUSSY ON OPTIMUS by Optimus Murphy	Apr 10th, 2007 05:59:55 PM
PUSSY ON OPTIMUS. noun - a vagina on Optimus Prime, leader of the Autobots. "Realistic" CGI rendering of the human female genitalia by ILM, arguably their "best work ever". Praised by Bayformer TINO Apologists as "less blocky" than the non-existant Pussies on Optimus in the 80's cartoon series. Often referenced alongside CUNT ON BUMBLEBEE.
Good Lord! by Mr. Nice Gaius	Apr 10th, 2007 06:44:38 PM
You guys are still going at it in here??? It's interesting to note that this TB reached over 1,000 posts, CRASHED, and has now reached over 1,000 posts again. What's even more interesting is that it reflects the efforts of the same 1/2 dozen-or-so Talkbackers who seem to be getting their collective rocks off by spewing the same hateful posts found on numerous other TFer TBs. Seriously - you could cut-and-paste the posts from any one of those threads, insert it here, and you'd basically have the exact conversation. In fact, I bet you don't even realize how much "material" you've recycled here. And now you're trying to paint Moriarty & AICN as some sort of collective shill for this film because they are failing to echo your sentiments???!!! FLIPPIN' RICOCKULOUS.
That Transformers movie looks good doesn't it by pjdon	Apr 10th, 2007 07:11:23 PM
has anyone heard anything about it?
Wow! Almost 2500 posts on this board if you include by ExcaliburFfolkes	Apr 10th, 2007 09:44:05 PM
the 1300+ that got lost in the crash. I'm surprised Harry and/or Mori aren't already threatening to close it if we don't stop hogging the bandwidth.
Mori, in your above post you forgot one option. by ExcaliburFfolkes	Apr 10th, 2007 09:51:46 PM
"If it's a great film, I'll say so once I've seen it." Now all your choices are still available.
C'mon MNG give us some credit by Phategod2	Apr 10th, 2007 10:24:49 PM
This particular TB has included discussions on Politics, Thundercats, Hollywood marketing, Global warming,Hot Hollywood chicks, and a few other topics. Plus we've seen the rise of post from Krack, Ronjeremyirons,Colonel Activity, TFD, and your favorite Poster BSB. You know you remember the Flames on Optimist (oops) Optimus TB and the Megatron TB those things had had at least 3000 Post in less then 2 weeks.
I love these really long talkbacks. by ExcaliburFfolkes	Apr 10th, 2007 11:09:10 PM
They take on a life all their own and are a fabulous way to waste time. It would be really cool if one of these babies ever got up to 5000 or 10000 posts. Maybe we could even intentionally arrange it by getting all the AICN regulars to commit to post say 10 messages each on a given talkback on a given day.
I'd guess around $300 million to make and market it. by ExcaliburFfolkes	Apr 10th, 2007 11:39:19 PM
That's what the really big film releases seem to spend these days. The studios end up with approximately 55 cents of every box office dollar, which would put the break-even point around $550 million worldwide. Definitely reachable for a film of this magnitude, pre-existing fanbase, and name recognition, even if the film turms out only so-so. Plus the studio obviously also will make lots of money off the DVD's and merchandise tie-ins.
I think $150 million by Phategod2	Apr 10th, 2007 11:40:46 PM
Bay was Bragging that he save $500,000 and finished shooting earlier then scheduled.
How many sequels do you think they'll get out this? by ExcaliburFfolkes	Apr 10th, 2007 11:56:04 PM
One? Two and make it a standard movie trilogy? Three or more? How about an Megatron vs. Terminator spin-off?
Murph wants a trilogy by Phategod2	Apr 11th, 2007 12:19:01 AM
If its panned by the critics but makes its money back we'll probably see one sequel If it's a blockbuster and gets enough critical acclaim it probably will make to trilogy status But good ole Murph hasn't really had the Midas touch.
Maybe so, but... by MarkoOhNo	Apr 11th, 2007 01:05:50 AM
...the script was free. Bay nicked it from some poor crazy he saw downtown who said it was his life story. I'm serious. Just wait. When you see Bumblebee piss on someone, you'll know for sure.
You're Probably Right, Gany by MarkoOhNo	Apr 11th, 2007 01:48:58 AM
Maybe there ARE enough mind-numbed, tasteless invalids in the world who would be so enraptured by the sight of a robot pissing oil onto the head of a human being that they'd cough up enough money to see it happen 100 times over. Sit in traffic for a couple hours and it's not too difficult to believe.
If that's what the AICN guys want to do let them by superninja	Apr 11th, 2007 11:59:09 AM
I don't think anyone really expects more than that, it's their website. I read Mori's reviews because they are well written and usually he is pretty honest about what you are getting.
I think part of the animosity directed towards by superninja	Apr 11th, 2007 12:04:41 PM
Shia is that his TF character is written as so annoying. And the idea of Indy having a son is annoying. And a teen remake of Rear Window is annoying. And his character in I Robot was annoying. Do you see a pattern emerging here?
Godzilla is a great fun movie. by Smashing	Apr 11th, 2007 01:11:15 PM
Deliberately cheesy homage to old B movies, quaint moments and a big Lizard, what people like Krack do not get, or ever get over it seems is this is cinema, its not there project, its someone else's vision, and oh boy watch out for back seat movie makers who all live with there wife's in suburbia, move to LA and dazzle us if you are so unhappy with Holly-weirds output. This TF film looks the dogs, giant metal men fighting and pissing oil, whoop DE fucking whoop, it looks fun to me, and anyone not convinced that Bay + Spielberg + ILM does not equal a fun summer film is obviously on Krack.
Actually, Gany by MarkoOhNo	Apr 11th, 2007 02:59:17 PM
I'll be saving one poor fool from wasting his/her money. I'll be there, prepared to demand my money back the moment it begins to suck. Which I estimate to be no longer than 15 minutes in. If you don't like long lines, wait 'til the Monday after it's released. You'll be the only one there.
GANY please stop with the Nastradamus on Crack by Phategod2	Apr 11th, 2007 03:07:55 PM
impersonation. You predictions are the dumbest things I've ever seen. Dumber then that rediculous script.
I think the animosity towards Shai by Phategod2	Apr 11th, 2007 03:14:20 PM
at least my reason is, my initial perception of him was a intelligent young man who would show a touch of dignity in his career maybe win a oscar down the road. But with every interview he sounds dumber and dumber, as stupid shit flies out of his mouth and every role he takes gets more and more dense.
Honestly by MarkoOhNo	Apr 11th, 2007 03:18:28 PM
Can you really expect much from any child actor who got his or her start on Nickelodeon or Disney Channel??
Shia says: hitting 1,000 posts is like, WHOOOAAAH! by finky089	Apr 11th, 2007 04:06:43 PM
I've been gone for a dday or two and here I see you guys have kep this thing going. Wow, kudo on getting this to a grand, guys. I take it by now we all agree that 1)TINO will be a general disappointment to most TF fans, 2) the summer movie massess will eat it up like the typical big 'slposion tripe it is, 3)Megatron still looks shitty, 4) Bonecrusher still looks like Anus the Grouch, and 5) that Prime's flames are still the biggest adaptive shame since nipples on the Batsuit?
Oh and 6) that Superman stands for the "American way" by finky089	Apr 11th, 2007 04:10:13 PM
And that Gleek the Monkey is a must for any JLA movie
Shia's Agent Gotta Eat by superninja	Apr 11th, 2007 04:19:21 PM
And you can tell by the parts he's been offered. This guy is no actor of tomorrow, he's not exactly choosing challenging roles.
DiCaprio started out on Growing Pains by superninja	Apr 11th, 2007 04:28:45 PM
and his early roles were This Boy's Life, What's Eating Gilbert Grape, The Quick and the Dead and Basketball Diaries. LaBouf? The Even Stevens Movie, Dumb and Dumberer: When Harry Met Lloyd, Charlie's Angels: Full Throttle.
Maybe they have have a gun in the shape of by superninja	Apr 11th, 2007 04:42:15 PM
Bumbleebee's severed arm that they hand out as you enter the theater so you can terminate yourself during the viewing to end your misery?
I can't wait for the DVD... by Optimus Murphy	Apr 11th, 2007 04:48:04 PM
...so I can see a making of for the PUSSY ON OPTIMUS. ILM CG Animator: "When Mike and Don came to us and said to throw out all the iconic designs, replace them with complete shit, and then put female genitals on them, we were blown away by the challenge. Even though it was daunting, we think the end result of our effort is our best work to date. I think the labia and clit are especially well done, and it really makes the overall design of Optimus Prime look less blocky and more realistic"
WE GOT OPTIMUS' PUSSY. WHERE'S OPTIMUS' TAINT?? by Dorothys Taint Again	Apr 11th, 2007 06:08:52 PM
Is it the face of that other robot in the picture up there? Cuz that don't look like any "face" I've ever seen. And I thought Megatron's face was indiscernable when those pictures leaked. Yikes!
BAY LOVES METALLIC VULVA! by Dorothys Taint Again	Apr 11th, 2007 06:10:42 PM
Transformers, roll out and pop cherry!
One Question for Ganymede2010 by Dorothys Taint Again	Apr 11th, 2007 06:11:10 PM
WHERE DO YOU COME UP WITH THIS SHIT?
Transgenderedformers...more than meets the eye. by Optimus Murphy	Apr 11th, 2007 08:52:43 PM
Suddenly, the PUSSY ON OPTIMUS makes more sense, as does the casting of Shia, and Murphy's man tits. This film clearly has a deeper message about the inner conflict of those who are "built" one way, but live another. I think sometimes we all wish we could "Trannyform" just for a little while.
Robots with Vaginas...just what the world needs. by Bronx Cheer	Apr 11th, 2007 09:30:35 PM
Does that mean we'll also get robots with dicks? Now THAT'S what I call bonecrushing.
At least my mother Not a Bay Plant by Phategod1	Apr 12th, 2007 01:18:31 AM
Gany you finally show your true colors well basically you just reafirm the truth your a Dumb ass plain and simple. Every post you've made has gotten Dumber and Dumber I dont actually think you are one person but a team of trained Monkeys taught to type support for this movie on various web-sites.
This movie will make bigs bucks at the Box Office. by ExcaliburFfolkes	Apr 12th, 2007 09:13:05 AM
Whether the film is good or not, or whether or not it is a faithful adaptation are entirely different questions.
I'm not sure it's possible to do a faithful adaptation. by ExcaliburFfolkes	Apr 12th, 2007 09:15:17 AM
At this point the Transformers have become like long running comic books characters that have gone through several different looks, styles, and feels. There is no way to reconcile it all.
Personally, the Transformers movie gives me an ID4 vibe by ExcaliburFfolkes	Apr 12th, 2007 09:19:22 AM
Lots of dumb harmless fun and science fiction special effects wrapped up in a generic Earth is in peril and humanity's in doubt plot.
Personally, the Transformers movie gives me an ID4 vibe by ExcaliburFfolkes	Apr 12th, 2007 09:19:27 AM
Lots of dumb harmless fun and science fiction special effects wrapped up in a generic Earth is in peril and humanity's in doubt plot.
Oops, sorry about the double post. by ExcaliburFfolkes	Apr 12th, 2007 09:20:54 AM
Thought my computer froze up there for a minute and hit the post button again.
Will humans be anything more than collateral damage? by ExcaliburFfolkes	Apr 12th, 2007 09:29:34 AM
Or for human interest appeal, are there going to be human characters working with both robot sides in the war?
You must new here by Phategod2	Apr 12th, 2007 01:24:10 PM
The Humans are much more then colateral Damage they occupy more then 75% of the movies story, and Dialouge.
I'm just wondering what part they will play in the plot by ExcaliburFfolkes	Apr 12th, 2007 02:43:03 PM
It's been a while since I actually watched or read any of the existing Transformer stuff, but I seem to recall humans were very peripheral to the storylines.
Bay has taken the direction of by Phategod2	Apr 12th, 2007 04:28:16 PM
making the Humans very prevelent in this story. So much so you don't see the Autobots till about 30 to 45 minutes into the movie.
But when you do see the Autobots... by Optimus Murphy	Apr 12th, 2007 05:33:54 PM
BAM, there's a PUSSY ON OPTIMUS, and you're like "HOLY FUCK, THAT PUSSY ON OPTIMUS IS LESS BLOCKY THAN THE GEN-1 DESIGNS!!!"
LOL by Phategod2	Apr 12th, 2007 06:22:59 PM
Murph your crazy :)

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