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These robots are pissed off... check out the new TRANSFORMERS tv spots!!

Damn you Michael Bay by Damnyou	Mar 31st, 2007 03:57:03 AM
Damn you Michael Bay
first!! by moobit	Mar 31st, 2007 03:59:19 AM
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Cool as fuck, THANK YOU MICHAEL BAY! by Dr_Zoidberg	Mar 31st, 2007 03:59:29 AM
Yes, those TV Spots were awesome, that is Ironhide diving and firing the missle at the end. Here are the direct links: 1 - http://moviesmovies.ign.com/mo vies/video/article/777/777306/ transformersmovie_destiny_0330 07_qthighwide.mov 2 - http://moviesmovies.ign.com/mo vies/video/article/777/777272/ transformersmovie_hidden_03300 7_qthighwide.mov You will have to remove spaces I think
haha moobit you lose. by Judge Dredds Dirty Undies	Mar 31st, 2007 04:00:35 AM
Fuck IGN. I have to watch an advert to download an advert?!
Damn these server delays! ;-) by moobit	Mar 31st, 2007 04:00:42 AM
ah well-my first second- i'm happy... :-)
ILOAKRAHWLPHSIGIWOK by Julius Dithers	Mar 31st, 2007 04:03:29 AM
Kurt Russell would approve. In fact, his voice would have been great if Peter Cullen was unavailable.
I have to say.... by Judge Dredds Dirty Undies	Mar 31st, 2007 04:04:20 AM
That shot of I think starscream? transforming and landing was fucking awesome.
SECOND!! by football	Mar 31st, 2007 04:14:51 AM
This film will look good, but will still have terrible dialogue and a poor ending. It'll make a shitload of money and will have pepsi/coke tie-ins to wash down your Big Mac Transformer burgers. As they say... you can't "transform" a turd!!
Fuck this is gonna be one cool as fuck movie by bongo123	Mar 31st, 2007 04:16:31 AM
and you haters can go fuck, looks to me like Bay has hit the nail on the head but then again according to you dicks the guy cant direct action scenes!!??? are we watching the same fucking clips???? the transforming scenes look to have so much fucking detail in them i cant wait to see this on a big screen.
Damn you Michael Bay by MCMLXXVI	Mar 31st, 2007 04:23:23 AM
Damn you Michael Bay
For Starscream... by moobit	Mar 31st, 2007 04:25:32 AM
I say again-Alan Rickman. Think screaming sheriff of Nottingham mode- "i'm gonna tear your matrix of leadership out with a spoon!"...huh? Anyone feeling me?? ;) Any other suggestions?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l Qyhg4FuKlk by Spartacus Hughs	Mar 31st, 2007 04:39:17 AM
Anyone know about this?
Spartacus its called Dragon wars, some chinese movie by bongo123	Mar 31st, 2007 04:44:50 AM
i think, seen a trailer for this beards ago, still waiting on it poping up on the net, looks cool in a cheesy sfx way, seen a hi-rez trailer last year, the effects are pretty ropey but i think it'll be fun
It's about what I expected... by Orionsangels	Mar 31st, 2007 04:55:54 AM
...with todays Special Effects technology. Hard to be impressed. I've seen so much by now. The gee whiz factor is like a dry well.
D-War looks crazy, is that a real film? by Evil Hobbit	Mar 31st, 2007 05:00:49 AM
was pretty spectacular.
Once again.... Willem Dafoe for Starscream. by Shermdawg	Mar 31st, 2007 05:25:36 AM
It's as close to Latta as you're gonna get this side of Serkis. And while we're at it, sign Dafoe up for Cobra Commander. "I was-sss once-sss a man..." logging off
What's the point of even arguing anymore? by IndustryKiller!	Mar 31st, 2007 05:44:33 AM
All you guys need to be happy is robots firing rockets running around at some point in the film. Well that isn't exactly an easy target miss, and by that yard stick it would have been impossible for Bay or any other director to fuck it up. The characterization is bad, you don't care. The designs are weak, you don't care. The human characters are annoying, you don't care. The script sucks, you don't care. It's Michael Bay directing, not only do you not care but you prefer it and think his past films are great. There is no reasoning with logic like that. You just want shit blowed up reeeeel good. Well you get what you want, so congratulations. Actual fans of the Transformers and good genre films in general will continue to be disappointed. You can keep thinking we are pretentious, we will keep pitying you for your awful taste.
ok, not interested by CuervoJones	Mar 31st, 2007 05:48:13 AM
I´m an adult.
Any tits in it? by Kubla_Khan	Mar 31st, 2007 06:01:46 AM
????
Why try and convince people otherwise though IK? by TheAllSeeingEye	Mar 31st, 2007 06:05:01 AM
I mean, really, what harm does it do you if people see those trailers and like what they're seeing? For one thing, i am a transformers fan, so please don't sit there and make judgements on what i like and don't like. To be honest, if anyone here deserves pity, it's you pal, with your inability to relax over something as meaningless as a summer movie. I bet you're a real hoot in person.
TOO SOON!! by Pageiv	Mar 31st, 2007 06:05:10 AM
Server at work is banning me!!!
Thank you YouTube! by Pageiv	Mar 31st, 2007 06:07:07 AM
Pretty good, but still cant get over the way Prime looks.
RE: IndustryKiller! by Dr_Zoidberg	Mar 31st, 2007 06:21:50 AM
I accepted a long time ago that the script is a bit mince, so yeah, the action IS what I'm rooting for. Bay is a pretty good controller, and I know that he will do his best to create a film that is action packed. So what? I think The Rock is one of the best action films of the 90s, or ever actually, up there with Die Hard, T2, Raiders of the Lost Ark (not really action film, but DAMN is the action well shot). I like all his films, can even stomach Pearl Harbor. Bad Boys 2 is a disgusting, bloated, foul film, and I love it because THAT fills a space in my movie watching checklist. I have broad taste, and watch a lot of films, old and new... heck, I've been mixing Goddard and Tarkovsky with Schwarzenegger flicks, ITS ALL GOOD. I have hopes that if Transformers is successful, and it will be but it has to take SHIT LOADS to get a sequel, then we will GET a great sequel. A lot of the robot interaction was left for post-production. Some may say that is bad, but hell, I reckon they've done really good so far with character design. Ironhide is gonna be a favourite among the kids, he is a REAL BAD ASS! If it does fail to even thrill, I will be the first to admit it, I loved X-Men and I was literally shocked by how shit X-Men 3 was. But Michael Bay does it for me, there is something in his simplistic ideals that appeals to a part of me. I'm not American but I don't mind the flag waving. I normally hate sentimentality, but the only film that has over-stepped that mark in his filmography is Pearl Harbor. Armageddon is so much fun it's freaky! So yeah, Transformers, as long as the get the dynamics between robots characters correct I'll be happy. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, or TMNT, the CGI one, I didn't care much for the plot of "saving the world" but I DID like that they got the characters and their relationship with one another BANG ON THE MONEY! And for that, I may watch it again. TMNT was actually pretty fun, just a little generic in places where it could have been more. But yeah, I'm rambling... box of goodies! FBI, FREEZE SUCKER!!
whajo, KICK ASS Transformers action by Evil Hobbit	Mar 31st, 2007 06:25:07 AM
haters go back to your caves!
IN THE EMPIRE INTERVIEW WITH BAY... by connor187	Mar 31st, 2007 06:43:29 AM
He says "Creating the Transformers is so graphically intence that if a scene hasthree robots in it, it takes the computers a stunning 38 hours to render a single frame". He also says "Look, the cartoons were so amateur it would look stupid if you actually made that into a model,"...Anyway personaly I think its going to be good fun, and for all you sad sad individuals who piss and moan about flames on Optimus, you can basicaly go and play with your thoughts in a dark corner somwere.
IndustryKiller by lionbiu	Mar 31st, 2007 06:48:23 AM
You realy do come off like a pretentious prat. We get it that you read the fucking script, most of us have, it was not spectacular but it was better than 95% of the Transformer storylines so what is the big deal? I can't stand this crap about "Bay is raping my childhood".....the show FUCKING SUCKED ASS! The film looks to have some great action scenes, which was all we expected, so I am looking forward to it. You can't polish a turd and Transformers was a turd once it hit our TV screens in the 80's.
Basicaly? hasthree?..its early for me. by connor187	Mar 31st, 2007 06:49:10 AM
So fuck you!
Shia Labeouf... by johnnykool	Mar 31st, 2007 06:58:59 AM
...likes to get Labeouf'd in his Shia. Anyone else notice the soud effects used for Optimus changing at the beginning of one video is the same sound as a door opening in the original Doom? I'm sure (maybe) that's not the real sound for the movie, but if it is Michael Bay is a fucknut. PS: DAMN YOU MICHAEL 'TURDBURGLAR' BAY!
Damn You MCMLXXVI! by johnnykool	Mar 31st, 2007 07:01:37 AM
And I meant the Doom video game. Yes, there was a game before the shitty movie. GO GO GADGET FLAMING NIPPLES!
Silverhawks by johnnykool	Mar 31st, 2007 07:03:10 AM
Anyone else remember Silverhawks? It was kinda like THundercats in space. This might be a fun cartoon to turn into a movie franchise. I doubt anyone obsesses over the 'toon as much as Transformers and there's enough material to play with and make a fun space action film - something we haven't had in a while.
FILM CLIPS! by JusticeSabre	Mar 31st, 2007 07:09:18 AM
http://www.you tube.com/watch?v=h1xneEZnaM8
Looks Good by NubtheSquirrel	Mar 31st, 2007 07:12:48 AM
Sure, it won't be the EXACT translation of the original 80's mythology of the characters but it will hopefully be really close. I went back and rewatched several of the episodes and to be honest, they sucked. They were confusing, incomprehensible and some of them, just downright horrible. I may get flamed for this but I honestly don't care. I love the Transformers but let's be honest people, you know as well as I do that the cartoon while classic, has a few rotten eggs in that basket. Want to prove me wrong? I will bring up my first piece of evidence, Transformers the Movie. The 1980's flick while I love this movie, is deeply flawed. From the semi shoddy animation to the really shitty dialogue for many of the character, not to mention the killing off of some of the more beloved characters, up to and including Optimus and Ironhide. Some characters weren't even given the benefit of a death scene. Wheeljack comes to mind. Second piece of evidence: KREMZYK. That's all I need to say. anyone rooted in the old show will remember this horrendous piece of shit of an episode. That's it. I am going back to bed.
IndustryKiller... by ApneicMonkey	Mar 31st, 2007 07:43:34 AM
You really are a pretentious prat. Tranformers cartoon = mediocre writing, 2D characters, blocky unrealistic designs, 30min toy commercial. Transformers movie = mediocre writing, 2D characters, whack but realistic 'alien' designs, 2hr toy commercial. I really can't understand how you possibly won't enjoy this movie if you're a 'real' fan of Transformers.
Come on.... by Jimmie Dimmick	Mar 31st, 2007 08:04:47 AM
How could you watch those trailers and complain about this movie!!!! God talkbackers can bitch about ANYTHING. pretentious doesn't even come close.
IndustryKiller by feckdrinkarse	Mar 31st, 2007 08:12:36 AM
"we will keep pitying you for your awful taste." What a condescending cunt you are. Jesus.
If only the TINO movie was as long as those trailers. by Optimus Murphy	Mar 31st, 2007 08:12:43 AM
It might be watchable.
They are not from Cybertron by Neil McCauleys Crew	Mar 31st, 2007 08:26:50 AM
These robots are the bigger cousins of where the *Batteries Not Included lifeforms come from.
Physics? by KillDozer	Mar 31st, 2007 08:28:34 AM
Bay needs to hire some animators who know about physics. The transformation of that plane-thing looked ridiculous. Looks like it weighs about 20 pounds, even with the concrete crushing effects.
Pretentiousness by subgeniuszero	Mar 31st, 2007 08:35:36 AM
I agree one hundred percent with Dr_Zoidberg above. IndustryKiller, come on. "We will keep pitying you for your awful taste." I mean ... just ... come on. Movies are escapes from reality, not concentrated injections of it. Moreover, not everything is going to be -- nor is meant to be -- "Children of Men." And I will again point out that Bay is good at what he does, and he does quite a lot quite well. Yes, his ideas are simplistic. Yes, he is primarily a visual director who attacks things in a very literal way. He has no subtlety. There is a place in this world for over-the-top, overwrought, bombastic fantasies ... and Bay does those VERY well. Since that's what I know he's going to deliver, I'm not unhappy about the changes in design. Since I know what kind of character dynamics Bay's films usually dish out, I'm unconcerned about the script. I AM concerned about the future of fantasy and science-fiction when we live in a world where people take themselves so seriously that "cheesey" is no longer a welcome relief from the relentless onslaught of poetry (both good and bad) that we would all be forced to sit through if pretentious, coffee-house dwelling, Sundance-going, "Ooh look at me, I've read the script!" people like YOU ran the show.
And while we're on the subject... by subgeniuszero	Mar 31st, 2007 08:43:06 AM
Physics is a part of reality. Once you mention the words "giant robots", reality is pretty much out the window...
Wow. by Cotton McKnight	Mar 31st, 2007 08:44:37 AM
This looks really good. I still think the robots look a little too "busy"- that is, they transform to a point where you can barely recognize what they are in their vehicle form. But that clip of Starscream (presumably) landing on the bridge was just crazy cool. And Shia LeBeof or however you spell his name is really good in movies like this. AND it's got Aaron Pierce. What more do you want?
"walking junkpile" That's it! by Cotton McKnight	Mar 31st, 2007 08:48:14 AM
That's what I was trying to say when I said the robots look too "busy"- they just look like a mish mash of parts in their robot forms. Surely it would have been easier to just stick with the basic concepts in the 80's toyline, wouldn't it? Like big ass fenders for the legs, arms with wheels on it, etc. I don't really see what these robots transform into when they are robots. And that's part of the fun.
I agree about the transformations by subgeniuszero	Mar 31st, 2007 08:48:28 AM
They do get to a point where you can't recognize their vehicle forms. But then again, that might be a good thing. The idea is that they "Transorm". If they're vehicle form is unseeable when they're robots, then their robot forms are unknowable when they're in vehicle form. Thus, they really are robots in disguise!
subgeniuszero by KillDozer	Mar 31st, 2007 08:52:58 AM
Understanding physics is an important part of making the audience buy the effects they are seeing. Why waste millions on designing giant robots if you're going to make them walk around like they're made of cardboard in one scene and a couple of tons in another?
KillDozer by subgeniuszero	Mar 31st, 2007 08:55:58 AM
You make a good point, and yes I'm reaching here, but perhaps the physics simulations needed to do that -- given the already complex rendering tasks Bay is talking about -- might have even pushed the computers at ILM over the edge? I mean I know their farms must be huge, but even so...
subgeniuszero by Mr. Lahey	Mar 31st, 2007 08:56:27 AM
Well said. Also, I want to borrow Industrymill's time machine, since he/she has seen the movie already. I was sold on it movie when they first announced it was to be live-action. Making up your own mind is awesome.
Killdozer by TheAllSeeingEye	Mar 31st, 2007 09:11:23 AM
Stop talking out of your fucking arse please.
KillDozer... by Jimmie Dimmick	Mar 31st, 2007 09:15:35 AM
This is where the pretentious label comes from. 99.9 percent of the people who see that starscream shot will think it's cool as hell. Then you'll have this tiny percentage loudly proclaiming why it isn't cool just for the sake of complaining. How the hell do they get the physics right of a jet fighter flying at supersonic speed UNDER A BRIDGE that is changing into its robot form while spinning up in the air and landing on its 'feet'. Please explain to us all how the real physics works in that situation. Dammit… calling you a pretentious cunt would give cunts the world over a bad name.
IndustryKiller! by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	Mar 31st, 2007 09:24:24 AM
RE: Mar 31st, 2007 05:44:33 AM. Well put. Thanks.
I'm getting a serious batteries not included vibe... by Reelheed	Mar 31st, 2007 09:34:12 AM
These robots do not look pissed off. They look completely unreadable. I mean physically there is no way to distinguish one part of their body from another. They just look a bit of a mess.
HeWhoCannotBeNamed by Mr. Lahey	Mar 31st, 2007 09:34:34 AM
is apparently named Industrykiller. Obvious much?
Fix the fucking aspect ratios by The Decider	Mar 31st, 2007 09:36:19 AM
that is all.
I'm sold for it AND a Transformers fan! by kinghenryVIII	Mar 31st, 2007 09:36:28 AM
Dudes - I am there for the action not the story. I'm there to fill the void of big shit demolishing other big shit with some little shit getting stomped along the way. All of you screaming about physics and such .... C'MOM! Animals talk in Pixar movies (as do cars, ahem). Lquid metal men come from the future to perform abortions. Robot planes stop on a dime. WTF? If for you, Transformers unlocked the door to hair growth, nocturnal emmisions, and the sudden assumption that tits are good, then don't see the movie. I'm there for awsome action and groan induced story lines. i will be 13 again. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
JonnyKool by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	Mar 31st, 2007 09:38:30 AM
God I hated Bluegrass, but this shit was so tight to me when I was a kid. What a great look. That theme song was so cool when I was young tool. Now that I am an old tool, I still love it. Just for you. http://www.youtube.c om/ watch?v=OMBfm3vUB6M http: //www.youtube.com/ watch?v=YWpHRSD1Lh8&mode=relat ed&search=
That shit is TIGHT!!! by NivekJ	Mar 31st, 2007 09:39:23 AM
On the "Destiny" track, is that Starscream transforming and flipping up on the bridge? That one image has got me psyched for the film, after all this time. Can't wait. Dammit! Why'd I have to watch those fuckin clips? Now I gotta wait!
Dr_Zoidberg by Ryan30	Mar 31st, 2007 09:41:10 AM
Damn, you sound like my clone. I haven't read a better post explain why every movie does not have to be a 4 hour character development drama since I posted my response in the Transformers poster talkback. Michael Bay's movies have the highest production values I have ever seen. They all have amazing music and incredible style. I compare his movies to moving paintings in an art gallery. I literally try to watch every hollywood movie, and I judge movies on the genre they are in. Bay makes amazing acion movies, because he knows how to create spectacle. Every shot looks like it took hours to get right. I also previously posted my complaints to the original series and nobody came to the defense, because apparently they have no grounds for their complaining. I recently read all of the Transformers comics, and the Marvel series in particular was garbage, so I don't know why everyone is so protective of their Transformers character development. Every issue introduced at least three new characters to sell new toys where it became impossible to keep track of even half the characters. Once the Headmasters angle started, the comics were nearly unreadable and I like comic books. Plus Prime is supposed to be a bad ass and he gets destroyed every twenty issues as well as in the movie. If this movie has Prime wasting everyone without getting blown up, then already it will be a better Transformers story.
IndustryKiller by photoboy	Mar 31st, 2007 09:43:04 AM
Well said, I couldn't have said it better myself if I tried. Stick nipples on the Batsuit or make Han shoot first and everyone round here screams bloody murder until they're blue in the face. But apparently Transformers and its fans who want to see a good movie don't count. So when they make Prime and Megatron look like utter shit and churn out a worthless script it's all OK because it's just a giant robot movie (with explosions!) and that's all we should care about. Anyone who thinks Transformers was just about giant robots fighting each other (with exploshuns!) never liked it or watched it properly in the first place. Bay's film will make Batman & Robin look like high art.
Toys by RogueWarrior65	Mar 31st, 2007 09:53:33 AM
Somehow I don't think Hasbro has the balls to make spinoff toys that are one tenth as cool as what's on screen.
Could have been much more... by BRUTICUS	Mar 31st, 2007 09:56:01 AM
transformers are more than just piles of scrap metal forming into a car. The concept in the look of these characters should have been this ROBOTS FIRST, VEHICLES SECOND The look of the robot modes have been seriously compromized here. What realistic being would do that? Just for a disguise? The robot modes should look far more cohesive and contained , think the EVOLUTION of a robot.The vehicle modes should look like the cars they are mimicing but slightly off, sharper curves,something doesn't look quite right about them. Worse of all is that they dropped one of the coolest pieces of mythology from the story, the fact that the Transformers had been crashed on Earth for 4 million years.
Mr. Lahey by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	Mar 31st, 2007 09:57:29 AM
Nope. He can defend himself just fine. You lovers of this tripe still miss what this movie could have been. Bay does loud obnoxious action like no one else. I personally, speaking only for myslef, think the action scenes that we have been privy to look hyperkinetic. Cool robot action. The designs, the story and the lies are what are keeping me from spending my money. They had a chance to update something flawed and blew it. Everyone has preferences and this is simply not for me. I am passionate about the source material and all that it offered. The writers and Hasbro blew it. Bay is a non-issue after the fact. People that complain have a different vision then what Dreamworks is shoving at us. Fuck the cartoon and fuck the toys. I want a fine movie that does not lean on loud visual and audio SFX.
Nice nod to the original Bumblebee by dead youngling	Mar 31st, 2007 09:57:47 AM
in the hidden trailer
I would say "Damn you Michael Bay" was not funny... by MetiphisLabs	Mar 31st, 2007 10:04:22 AM
But Kurt Russel was laughing, so it was ok.
Industry Killer... by Jimmie Dimmick	Mar 31st, 2007 10:04:38 AM
You say… The characterization is bad, you don't care. I say I don’t know since I haven’t seen the movie yet so I can’t possibly have an opinion on the subject unless I am being predisposed to hating it from the moment I heard of it. You say… The designs are weak, you don't care. I say they are far from weak! They’re actually really cool looking. They just aren’t your cartoon block characters that would have looked like shit in a live action movie. You just don’t like them, it’s your personal feelings…so somehow a movie has personally offended you and you’re angry and want the world to know it. You say… The human characters are annoying, you don't care. I say I don’t know since I haven’t seen the movie yet so I can’t possibly have an opinion on the subject unless I am being predisposed to hating it from the moment I heard of it. You say… The script sucks, you don't care. I say I don’t know since I haven’t seen the movie yet so I can’t possibly have an opinion on the subject unless I am being predisposed to hating it from the moment I heard of it. YES…I did read the EARLY DRAFT of the script. Same as you did. The difference is I understand that it was an EARLY DRAFT. The overall story from it they have kept and it didn’t suck at all. Things like actual spoken lines are changed over and over…even into the editing…so you don’t know what the final result will be. You say… It's Michael Bay directing, not only do you not care but you prefer it and think his past films are great. There is no reasoning with logic like that. You just want shit blowed up reeeeel good. I say that who did you think would direct a Transformers Movie? Francis Ford Coppola??? Maybe you had your hopes up for Scorsese. Be fucking THANKFUL it isn’t UWE BOIL and MOVE THE FUCK ON!!!! You say…Actual fans of the Transformers and good genre films in general will continue to be disappointed. I say that the total dollars from “actual transformers fans” will total into the hundreds of dollars, while the general movie going public that isn’t 40ish, single, and playing with toys will be totaling millions. and the best part…the truth you can’t admit but know to be true… YOU’LL BE THERE OPENING WEEKEND WON’T CHA BITCH!!!!!
OK. by Mr. Nice Gaius	Mar 31st, 2007 10:09:09 AM
For a couple of 30 second spots, I have to say, they're not too shabby. A great action shot of Starscream with a nice beginning upwards pan of Bumblebee - it looks cool! (Did anyone notice the VW Bug in the car lot???) Granted, these spots are NOT trailers so they move fast and don't really give you too much. Which is to say, they're no different that half a million other TV spots. Now, I want you guys to watch this Talkback closely. Watch the "Roll Call of Hate" descend on this discussion as it did in the One-Sheet TB. It's so predictable that it's really not even funny. The hate on this film is officially insane. I'm convinced, now more than ever, that what the Haters really wanted (although they won't admit it) was a full-on recreation of the G1 cartoon. Realism and other Transformer mythology/canon be damned. The fact that they're not getting their box/cartoon designs, they've suddenly awakened themselves to the concepts of film direction, design aesthetic, characterization, physics, acting, and whether or not a robot's eyes should be rectangular. Of course, NONE of these things were an issue during the run of the cartoon. But you put a leaked draft script in their hands and suddenly they're telling YOU what YOUR opinion should be. Yes, it's all quite ricockulous. All the more so because they are now simply hating out of spite.
Pretentious physics by KillDozer	Mar 31st, 2007 10:15:36 AM
If the we're supposed to ignore shitty story, lame characters, etc and sit our asses down in the theaters based on the special effects alone, then they should fucking well make sure the effects are worth it. Plenty of other animation studios get it right. Check out any animated film by Pixar for starters. Why even make Transformers live action if it's nothing more than a fucking cartoon?
Han Shot First by liljuniorbrown	Mar 31st, 2007 10:25:45 AM
Cause he was a bad ass,and the millitary guys in E.T carried walkie talkies instead of guns because you can only defeat an E.T by confusing it with walkie talkie lingo such as roger,10-4 and over and out.Anyways I think industrykiller was just upset because like alot of people on this site he really wants to see a great Transformers movie. I think Bay could pull this off,same as Favreau can pull off Ironman,sometimes you just gotta cross your fingers and hope for the best. I wish I could have read this script everyone is talking about.
Intense! by Mad-Maximus	Mar 31st, 2007 10:29:11 AM
Man after watching that clip on the SectorSeven.org and the Hidden video I am definitely more psyched to see this movie. I am confident this movie will deliver to most of the mass and I emphasize most as the ones who will be disappointed will be the hard core fans. All I have to say is this.....more than meets the eye...to all the hard core fans.
Shia LeBouf as Young Indy by Hardboiled Wonderland	Mar 31st, 2007 10:32:22 AM
I had my doubts, but after seeing Shia in the "Hidden" preview, the first thing that struck me was, wow, he reminds me of a young Harrison Ford, and I can totally see what Spielberg saw in Shia when casting him for Indy IV. Now if only he'll listen to my requests to cast Judi Dench as Marcus Brody's widow ...
I am now officially excited for this film. by boba_rob	Mar 31st, 2007 10:34:16 AM
That looked cool as hell. Let's hope Michael "Armageddon, Bad Boys 2" Bay doesn't F this up. I have faith since Speilberg is involved.
My hopes for this film are few. by rbatty024	Mar 31st, 2007 10:35:17 AM
It has nothing to do with my childhood memories or that I want a scene by scene recreation of season one of Transformers, it's because Michael Bay is a crappy director. He's made maybe two decent films his entire career and I don't think he has what it takes to adapt any kind of franchise. If this was the Care Bears (something I have no emotional attachement to...seriously, I don't, they were my sister's toys) directed by Michael Bay I would say the same thing. It all comes down to the fact he's not a good director. If you like his films, fine, go see the movie, I'll probably wait for DVD.
PS by Hardboiled Wonderland	Mar 31st, 2007 10:35:54 AM
I also had my doubts about a Transformers movie, but after seeing the previews ... it actually looks pretty entertaining. Thankfully, Spielberg didn't listen to my requests for Judi Dench to be cast as a Decepticon ...
ignoring the real crap by jccalhoun	Mar 31st, 2007 10:38:26 AM
Whether or not the Transformers themselves look cool is not as big of an issue as how irritating the humans are going to be. In all the footage we have seen, the moment the guy and girl appear on screen I am full of dread. Why do we need human leads in this movie at all? They were always the worst thing in the cartoons, they were always the worst thing in giant monster movies, and they were the worst thing in Aliens vs. Predator. Do we really need humans to help us relate to giant transforming robots fighting each other?? Just put some random military guys in there ineffectively shooting them, running away, and getting squashed. That's all the humans we need. I am willing to bet that the first time the male lead sees the car transform he says, "dude, that was sooooo awesome!" If so I'll be the guy in the theater yelling, "You suck!"
It's beyond spite Mr.Nice Gaius.. by TheAllSeeingEye	Mar 31st, 2007 10:47:28 AM
The fact that these sad individuals think we're wrong for liking what we see. Anyway, yes, you're right. The only reason these mooks are pouring their hatred out like this is because it doesn't look EXACTLY like G1 cartoons. They can deny it but if you read the firsts posts from the first TF talkbacks you'll see that was their primary concern. They even used links to pictures of TOYS...to make their point. When they were laughed out the room it became an issue over the script. A script which was months out of date. That then became the lynchpin of their whole campaign...since..saying the film doesn't look like their toys was resulting in the lambasting they truly deserved. And here, now there's more stuff out there, we have KillDozer, which is obviously another screen name for one of the regular fuckwits, trying to talk about physics...a subject which no one wanted to talk about when it was pointed out exactly why you couldn't have exact replicas of the toys. It's hilarious. I cannot wait to see what other rediculous faults they can find with this movie and it'll be even more enjoyable when Transformers makes a killing at the Box office despite their protestations it won't make a dime. Actually, what was funny was someone accusing me of being Don Murphy in an earlier talkback. Talk about nutcases.
jccalhoun by TheAllSeeingEye	Mar 31st, 2007 10:49:18 AM
We need humans in this movie since most people who will go see it aren't repressed 12 year olds with the inability to bond or emote with real people.
Bring It! by radjac33	Mar 31st, 2007 11:01:49 AM
"Its already been broughten". Jamie Pressly had a cameo as a decipticon hologram!
Looks good! by Neo Zeed	Mar 31st, 2007 11:05:52 AM
That starscream one is great.
Realism + Good Robot Designs Is Possible by ChildOfMen	Mar 31st, 2007 11:09:29 AM
One of the arguments I've seen repeated numerous times is the idea that the robot designs look the way they do because they had to go for more realism....... that simply doing robot designs that looked closer to the original cartoons/toys would have looked terrible. The idea being of course that the poor animation of the 80's included robot designs that could not translate to better techniques. I have to say that I disagree with this. I don't think it's impossible to create up-to-date and more realistic robot designs that are still recognizable as what people remember as Transformers. The primary evidence I would point to is the robot designs for the Japanese anime "Macross Zero", which came out a few years ago, but featured some of the state of the art in CGI mecha animation. Macross Zero featured transforming planes, just like the original Macross 20 years before (and also seen elsewhere as the first third of "Robotech"), but the level of detail in the robot and plan modes was much more realistic and detailed. More importantly though, the robot mode of the Valkyries (or "Veritechs" for you Robotech fans) was still recognizably similar to the robot modes of the original Macross designs. So I think it is absolutely possible to do something that looks much better, but doesn't completely throw away a pre-existing design or concept. I think this new Transformers movie looks OK, but I have to agree with others about the designs of the robot modes. It's not that I think they are bad per se, but most of them just seem very non-descript......... frankly perhaps it is that they do have TOO much going on; I get a bit of a sense of information overload with the robot designs, but there is this extra complexity in all of the robot designs that makes many of them sort of indistinguishable as anything more than just big giant hunks of metal and gears and wires and so-forth. A lot of the personality in the Transformers were their individualism, and frankly, the idea that even in their robot mode you could easily recognize each one and what vehicle they had been.
The battle with Skorponok... by DarthStallion	Mar 31st, 2007 11:10:58 AM
must be one of the big money shots of the movie, because it's been in almost every trailer or clip.
This movie is gonna RRRRRRRRRRRROCK!!!!!! by JDanielP	Mar 31st, 2007 11:12:27 AM
The effects look absolutely AMAZING and will bring HUGE crowds on opening day. I'm sure of it.
Michael Bay for "SUPERMAN RETURNS AGAIN" by JDanielP	Mar 31st, 2007 11:16:40 AM
Someone had to say it. Oh, and... Bless You Michael Bay.
Studio needs to make ALL those downloadable on XBOX 360 by JDanielP	Mar 31st, 2007 11:20:35 AM
Via LIVE. I do want them. And I do want to share them with my friends.
HeWhoCannotBeNamed by Mr. Lahey	Mar 31st, 2007 11:23:22 AM
Apologies. I got all excited there for a sec. Columbo I am not.
TheAllSeeingEye by Mr. Nice Gaius	Mar 31st, 2007 11:29:00 AM
All I can say is, hold onto your butt. It's gonna get a lot more heated as we draw closer to the premier. The fact that someone accused you of being Donny Murphy probably has something to do with your screenname. I think DM's messageboard avatar is a single, seeing eye. As if!
TomBodet by Mr. Nice Gaius	Mar 31st, 2007 11:31:38 AM
What's up you crazy bastard? I really couldn't tell you what ol' DocPaz thinks of TFers. He may not give a shite. But if he's got something to say about it, I'm sure he will do so.
Looks damn good to me! by The Founder	Mar 31st, 2007 11:38:05 AM
I don't see what's with all the comoplaints. sure megatron should've been closer in design to the cartoon and yeah I think the robots should have more of the human tryp face, but the movie's already done now, so oh well we have to live with it, but it still looks damn good.
kudos by BendersShinyAss	Mar 31st, 2007 11:39:40 AM
Me like
Mr. Lahey by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	Mar 31st, 2007 11:46:03 AM
No sweat. I don't write nearly as concise as IndustryKiller! and I have only just begun posting frequently. Even though I don't want to see this I enjoy the "debates" and some of the name calling is down right funny. It's always interesting how others view the medium of film, but I do tire of the word pretentious being thrown around. Be well.
Thank you, Michael Bay by slone13	Mar 31st, 2007 11:52:08 AM
Indeed.
theallseeingeye by KillDozer	Mar 31st, 2007 11:52:16 AM
I couldn't care less if the robots look/transform like the TV series. I just want a live action Giant Robot movie that looks better than a Saturday morning cartoon.
Killdozer by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	Mar 31st, 2007 11:54:40 AM
here, here
The reason fans are upset... by photoboy	Mar 31st, 2007 12:02:49 PM
... is because the film was announced as Gen 1 and Don Murphy spouted his fat gob off inviting all the fans onto his forum to tell him what they wanted to see in the film. The film was announced as a Gen 1 film, they even had a red truck under a tarpaulin just like Prime. Then all of a sudden Michael Bay appears on the scene and we've got flames, wrong colour schemes, robots arriving on Earth today (instead of 4 million years ago) and TFs that look nothing like Gen 1. All the fan's requests for maintaining the look of the original designs was thrown out the window. Just ask Murphy about that and he turns into a real mean asshole.
well... by Bloo	Mar 31st, 2007 12:07:40 PM
I'm sure us "haters" will be accused of "crying out of the room" or some such bs because we havne't hardely made our presence felt yet. "Lovers" you talk about us being pretentious, but inyou're ire toward us that are skeptical based on a number of things, well pot, this is kettle and you're black how many times have we've gone over it, the leaked script, yes thigns have changed but according to Bay himself, the "beats reamin the same" and the cenes that have been seen in trailers and through set reports confirmed scenes in the movie. You can get a real good idea about what's going on from an early draft, I remember reading Dogma's 5th script and it really wasn't much different then Kevin Smith's 7th shooting script, I knew what scenes were where adn what lines were where, mostly it involved a lot of cutting things out or modifying things...but the BEATS, the SCENES, the CHARTERZATION was the same...from those that have read the script have seen the trailers and have read the set visits it's the same thing design-listen I know and I think most of us "haters" know we can't having Megatron turninging into a gun or that we are asking for Starscreams cockpit be around his chest so you know he turns into an air plane-those are neccassary changes and one I don't think is bad, but what I do think is bad is that the Decpeticons espically look like big piles of junk thrown togather, you can't even hardly tell what it's supposed to be, look at Scorpnock for an example of that espically thirdly there has been seirous basterdazation of charters, specifically Megatron (he's Optimus brother and they ruled Cybertron togather, what!), Bumblebee's lack of voice things like that--it's like maing a Flintstones movie without Yabba Dabba Doo-a Jetson's movie without Rosie saying "Mr J" or George not working at Spacely Sprockets. Look at the He-Man movie, they added unneccassary human chars that didn't have anything to do with cannon (at least TF is keeping the Whitwicky (sp?) family), and not respecting the source material, the charterzations were all wrong, ahh but who cares it's a toy movie--look how utterly craptastic that movie was and is, He-Man sucked balls and turned a really cool possible franchise with a built in fan base of kids into nothing! They even had a good cast but it was in the STORY that He-Man turned bad, it's the same thing here, it's not neccassarily in the desgins (although like I said i hate that the decepticons look like crap) it's in the STORY-not the script but the STORY remember "lovers" Bay siad the story didn't change that the same beats were there
photoboy by Bloo	Mar 31st, 2007 12:09:58 PM
excellent points that I didn't bring up was murphy's snwing us and then hating us
I'll be shocked if this is any good by MrJJonz	Mar 31st, 2007 12:13:16 PM
The original cartoons are ok but I don't have a blind love of them. The trailers look ok. The doubts that I have is with Michael Bay. The best film he has done is The Rock which to me is a very average film. All the other films I have seen of his are absolutely fucking terrible, just pieces of unwatchable garbage. If all of a sudden Bay manages to suddenly kick this trend of directing absolutely shit films and manages something even average again, then I will be massively shocked. Someone earlier said something about this film hopefully being as much fun as ID4. God I hope not because there was nothing to enjoy at all about that film
Robots are not the main focus. You can't by superninja	Mar 31st, 2007 12:13:36 PM
even relate to them - the designs are so off putting. What is all that talk about the eyes changing when you can't even tell what end is up on those things?
It's fun telling people who are looking forward to the by warp11	Mar 31st, 2007 12:15:03 PM
movie, and who don't read message boards about how most the flick doesn't involve the transformers, and all the other changes...
superninja by Bloo	Mar 31st, 2007 12:16:15 PM
welcome to the fight my fellow "hater" good to see same...familiar faces around here not filling up 100 posts full of love
Bay should go back to directing commercials. by Barry Egan	Mar 31st, 2007 12:17:08 PM
All his films have a great look that lend themselves to being great trailers and commercials. Where he consistently drops the ball is with his storytelling. If all you want is eye candy then this should fit the bill. If you want escapist entertainment with some intelligence and character development you need to look elsewhere.
I agree with Industry Killer. Just skip the movie by superninja	Mar 31st, 2007 12:17:18 PM
and buy the videogame since that seems to have what you want. Actually, I shouldn't slam videogames because sometimes they're better than movies these days. If all you need are effects and explosion in a story, I hope movies are not made for you.
Let's see if we can make this TB longer than the by pelos_locos	Mar 31st, 2007 12:19:39 PM
poster's one. As soon as the posts slow down someone should say something hateful or attack a TBer just to keep it going. Anyways, I think I am more excited about this movie than the rest of the summer movies just for the fact that this is something new. Other than ratatollie (?) and grindhouse, everything else is a sequel. Who would win in a fight optimus or king kong? I say optimus.
The plot of this film is less sophisticated than by superninja	Mar 31st, 2007 12:20:36 PM
the cartoon's. Bay can bag on the designs all he wants, but no one can tell what his robots are supposed to be, they look like hunks of metal who destroy things, no personality comes across in the designs (except for Prime). This is how sci-fi is now. No imagination, but instead this false realism.
I just got off the phone with Kurt Russell. by Barry Egan	Mar 31st, 2007 12:21:04 PM
I thought the Transformers movie looked like shit, but Kurt was laughing so it must be OK.
Everett, it's really good CGI. So what? We all by superninja	Mar 31st, 2007 12:23:55 PM
know what these guys are capable of I think we had no doubts the animation would be slick. However, as a Transformers movie, it has very little to do with the property on which it was based. The script made this apparent, but seeing it animated just seals the deal.
ninja... by Bloo	Mar 31st, 2007 12:26:04 PM
I totally agree, I don't think anyone ever doubted the CGI work, it all goes back to the story which SUCKS and the major liberties taken with char. all while telling us "this is G1, This is G1, we want your input"
So pretentious = having a different point of view by superninja	Mar 31st, 2007 12:26:47 PM
and not going along with the crowd. Yep, sounds about right these days!
Industry Killer, I'm going to jump on the bandwagon by superninja	Mar 31st, 2007 12:28:14 PM
so I can be a part of the herd just to say that you are pretentious, even though I am not going to address any one of the points you made. :)
Killdozer.. by TheAllSeeingEye	Mar 31st, 2007 12:28:23 PM
So you're saying the movement of those Robots...don't look better than a saturday morning cartoon? Explain,.
like I said by Bloo	Mar 31st, 2007 12:28:46 PM
the "lovers" in their accusations of us "haters" being pretentious have become pretentious themselves
No pretentious is... by TheAllSeeingEye	Mar 31st, 2007 12:30:34 PM
coming on here and mouthing off like a dick and basically telling people THEY are wrong to have an opinion different to you. Something IndustryKiller blatantly did. So yes, he is pretentious.
They look better, but do they look like Transformers? by superninja	Mar 31st, 2007 12:30:41 PM
I say no. I mean, if the junk trawls were hand drawn by the cartoon animators, I'd say the original iconic designs would win out? How about that contest? If you try to say that looks like the characters that this film is supposed to be based on you're full of it.
superninja... by Bloo	Mar 31st, 2007 12:32:02 PM
maybe Bay and murphy when describing what they wanted to the desgingers got the Junkions and and Decepticons mixed up
TheAllSeeingEye, since I know you don't live by superninja	Mar 31st, 2007 12:32:18 PM
in a bubble, it's not like there hasn't been plenty of that here from the other side.
No..i come on here to see what the deal is... by TheAllSeeingEye	Mar 31st, 2007 12:34:53 PM
It's all very well to have an opinion, i'm not arguing that. But when IndustryKiller starts writing shit like "pity you" etc..then he's going to get shit for his trouble. I think what you'll find is that most people who have singled him out havent done so for not liking the movie; rather for just acting like a prick. It was certainly enough to get me to post about him.
Allseeingeye by Bloo	Mar 31st, 2007 12:36:02 PM
but you didn't address superninja's point, there has been other people from YOUR camp that have the exact same attitude
ummmm anyone notice by erichaislar	Mar 31st, 2007 12:36:21 PM
That when bummble bee is in car form he is normal car size and when he transforms he is like 70 feet tall. Now i know its about giant robots but how can you make a 70 foot robot out of a 15 to 20 foot car????????
I don't think Eye really has a camp. Look, it is by superninja	Mar 31st, 2007 12:37:40 PM
a valid point that namecalling takes you off topic and I'm not going to argue with that. People should not let this stuff get personal.
erichaislar by Bloo	Mar 31st, 2007 12:38:36 PM
i think, Bay or someone said that B-bee will be about 20 ft tall appx
Unfortunately, AICN is not the right website by superninja	Mar 31st, 2007 12:38:41 PM
if that is what you are looking for. Clearly.
Where?? by TheAllSeeingEye	Mar 31st, 2007 12:40:10 PM
Not that i've read on this talkback. Anyway, haven't you ever heard of the saying 'turn the other cheek'? I mean, it's a bit late to bleet on about people saying the exact same thing as IK AFTER he's been pulled for acting like a dick. I mean, how old are you? The old "he did it first" doesn't wash at school, it won't wash here.
Instea of F-U, it's now F-Me Michael Bay! by zurge	Mar 31st, 2007 12:40:44 PM
BumbleBee is HUGE. Megatron just looks imposing and gigantous being suspended in those wires. And oh man, the PLANE BOSS, THE PLANE. Yeah, remember that song Harry posted about a fanboy singing the theme song from the transformers-toon movie about Michael Bay? Yup, this flick is going to rule.
AICN by Bloo	Mar 31st, 2007 12:41:48 PM
is known for being a place of general disagreement, passionate discussion namecalling...i always say we're the badboys of the Internet movie site--AICN doesn't always report the "cool news" that people send in but rather the news that Mori, Quint, Harry, etc al find interesting. This site is more aobut the personalities as much as movies
The point is... by TheAllSeeingEye	Mar 31st, 2007 12:42:35 PM
I'd have said the same thing to anyone who posts such condescending shit wether they were in the same camp as me or not. I just take exception to people posting crap like that. Shit gets said on a lot of talkbacks but that's just plain out of order....
WTF is with you whiners? by backlund7	Mar 31st, 2007 12:44:39 PM
Would someone please tell me why everyone bitching about this movie is such a film connoisseur? "It doesn't have enough character" "Why does it have to have focus around humans?" "Every movie Michael Bay makes is terrible" Jesus fucking christ. Give me a break. First, IT'S A MOVIE ABOUT GIANT FUCKING ROBOTS. This movie has one purpose, and one purpose only. BLOW SHIT UP. A LOT. There isn't a director in Hollywood better at that than Bay. Secondly, Bay's movies are no works of art, but most of them generate ass loads of cash. So, if they are so fucking terrible, how come most of them make $200 million or more? Someone must be going to see them! And for the record I was a kid when the original cartoons were on. I had a shit load of the toys and loved every moment of the cartoons when I was a kid. At first I questioned some of the changes they made to the robots in this movie, but after seeing the trailers, my problems with it melted away. Then again, I don't own those toys anymore or jack off to the DVD Box sets nightly. The bottom line is that you whiners about this movie have already decided its crap, before even seeing it. If you are so predisposed to hate it, why do you even post on these boards about this movie? You are obviously such film connoisseurs that you are above having to watch something like this anyway. You've completely made up your mind that you are not going to see it. If you aren't going to see it, why don't you all just fuck off until your next boring as shit PT or Wes Anderson movies come out? Then at least you can all talk about how they are the only ones today that make "Real Films" and how "Wes Anderson can just make me feel emotionally moved when I watch his films." Ugghh. There's a difference between films and movies. If you are into films, get the fuck off a talk back about a transformers movie. Me? I'm gonna have my ass kicked by GIANT FUCKING ROBOTS BLOWING MASS AMOUNTS OF SHIT UP. Who's with me?!?!?!?
Allseeingeye by Bloo	Mar 31st, 2007 12:44:51 PM
I jumped on you and I shouldn't have, I wasn't really defending IK's posts as I was trying to point out the hypcroisy of the apolgoists of this film (who haven't seen it either-how do you know it's going to "RAWK" or some bs-again not directed at you ASE but others on this site) of calling out someone who does the exact same thing they do
I don't know if you noticed me agreeing by superninja	Mar 31st, 2007 12:45:00 PM
with you up there, but I was. However, that does not change my high level of disappointment at the direction of this film.
Robots look like SHIT by Jobacca	Mar 31st, 2007 12:45:42 PM
Seriously....with all the money and the CGI being thrown at this movie,they couldnt AT LEAST make the Robot modes resemble the cartoons or the toys? These dont look like Transformers at all-more like Bionacles or,as someone already pointed out,the things from batteries not included.
HAHA AARON PIERCE IS IN THIS by tailhook	Mar 31st, 2007 12:46:13 PM
Enough said! That Owns!
the hate is strong with this one by drave117	Mar 31st, 2007 12:46:26 PM
I seem to remember reading a rant on this site sometime in the past couple years wherein the Secret of Geek Movie-Making was explained. I believe it was specifically in the context of a comic book film, but it applies here as well. The secret is that you can make any changes you want, as long as you make a movie that is true to the SPIRIT of the source material. Every single piece of news I have seen regarding Transformers (with the exception of casting Peter Cullen, and even for that, they made him audition) leads me to believe that Michael Bay simply does not GET Transformers. Which is kind of funny, considering that there isn't really all that much to get. From what I have so far seen, the movie has none of the elements that made the cartoon enjoyable to me, and I'm not talking about the designs. Yes, I hate the designs, but that's because they have no personality, and are too busy; not because they don't match G1. They look like what you'd get if you rolled a katamari through a junkyard.
TheAllSeeingEye by KillDozer	Mar 31st, 2007 12:47:02 PM
I already explained my problem: the animation looks cartoonish, i.e. like something out of a Saturday morning cartoon. The robots didn't seems to be realistically interacting with the environment in a bunch of the shots.
Transformers is not a movie about giant robots by superninja	Mar 31st, 2007 12:47:19 PM
blowing stuff up. Robotjox was that movie, and there are other movies that are that movie. Transformers is sci-fi with a mythology.
ASE by Bloo	Mar 31st, 2007 12:48:08 PM
see backland7's post above as an example of what I was talking about
KillDozer, physics aside, I do agree with your by superninja	Mar 31st, 2007 12:49:12 PM
point that there is no sense of weight in some places - it appears inconsistent. They do not really seem to be sentient, they just seem like automatons, that is always tough to pull off with CGI, but it really would've helped to give the robots more human qualities so you could identify with them (as the cartoon did).
This film will need a phantom edit by INWOsuxRED	Mar 31st, 2007 12:49:43 PM
to edit out the entire story and anything having to do with humans. I like the robots jumping around and blowing stuff up though. This looks like it could be a fun double feature, or a cool "I'll buy a ticket for something other than Transformers and then see Transformers". Hey baby, wanna kill all humans?
Killdozer... by TheAllSeeingEye	Mar 31st, 2007 12:49:49 PM
As an 3D animator myself i'm a little incredulous as to how you can draw those conclusions from a 50 second preview. From what i've seen it's possiblY ILM's best work to date; they need something like this under their belt to put them back on equal footing with WETA.
drave, there is no doubt he does not get it and by superninja	Mar 31st, 2007 12:52:22 PM
one must assume the producers and screenwriters never did, either. They're so clearly the secondary characters in the story. If you were putting them up front and attempting to create a sophsisticated character like Gollum for each of them (admittedly a daunting task, but again THE WHOLE POINT of a TF movie), we would not have these designs and humans as the main characters.
Why can't the movie be both good... by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	Mar 31st, 2007 12:53:16 PM
...and still make a shitload of money? Can't we have/demand both?
Eye, it's not about the quality of the animation. by superninja	Mar 31st, 2007 12:55:20 PM
It's very good. It just looks nothing like Transformers. The cartoon worked because they TF are essentially human in character, but giant robots. That's what drove the whole stories - they were individuals and the stories were personal in nature. The movie is very far from this, clearly. As a designer, would you make something this complicated the main character in a story or would you just use it to drive the plot like Bay did?
pretentious by lionbiu	Mar 31st, 2007 12:55:41 PM
is being a whiny bitch and telling people we must hate Transformers because you say so. I am not delude, Michael Bay is a average director when it comes to acting and drama, but Bay is perfect for a movie which only needs to deliver action. Will it win any oscars? No....maybe for special effects. But it should have some great action sequences, a somewhat serviceable plot and everyone can levae pretending their car is a transformer. I hate using this word...but I really do think alot of you are "Haters" and are only "hating" because you were invested to some stupid cartoon from the 80's....its amazing how many TB's you ave filled saying the same crap, especially when you see you are losing the public vote and most people are lookng forward to it.
Hmm this might wind up being a double post so by TheAllSeeingEye	Mar 31st, 2007 12:57:27 PM
I'll make it brief. I do 3D animation for a living. I used to work for a games studio in the UK but we got sold off to Ubisoft and basically all of us got put out of work. The point i made in the post that never appeared was, as an animator, i can't really fault what i've seen so far. It's extremely complex work; nevermind taking 38 hours to render a frame, it'll take many more hours than that to animate it convincingly. From the fleeting glimpses i've seen so far, i personally cannot fault the work done by ILM on this project; it's sorely needed by them to put them back on a level footing with WETA. However, those shots will more than likely be still going through alot of work right up to the movie comes out so, like i tell everyone, making an assesment of the animation at this stage is a little pointless since it will, more than likely, not be a true reflection of the end product. I can get people not liking the designs, but please don't criticise the work...it's pretty fucking awesome from where i'm sitting. Jesus, i wanted to make this brief and it wound up longer than my original post
yo superninja... by Jimmie Dimmick	Mar 31st, 2007 12:58:12 PM
I do respond directly to points brought up, your just pissed that my beliefs are different than yours SO THEY MUST BE WRONG. I also try and point out the fact that most people think of transformers as "those robots that turn into trucks and stuff". They do not even come close to thinking..."well G1 Transformers are of cybertronian decent and have the ... blah blah blah" The reason I get into the mix on this is the amount of pure hatred spewed towards this movie based on a love of a fucking toy commercial from 30 years ago. Can’t you see that all this is now just a redo of those toy commercials for a whole new slew of kids. They made all the designs different TO SELL MORE TOYS. Can’t any of you see how fucking childish and yes... pretentious you come off bashing a movie this way. You don’t like the design changes, yes? Didn’t your beloved cartoon change the designs themselves several times? You didn’t bitch about them then. OK…now it’s time for you all to reply without any reasoning what-so-ever and just complain because “calling it a toy commercial is doing it a disservice since it is so much more than that”. No it’s not. It was a commercial to sell toys first! What…in 20 years are you going to be bitching because the “Caveman Movie” changed the actors who originally played the cavemen in the commercials so its just not right…..oh shit….that’s two talk backs down!
I wonder how much damage will be done to by superninja	Mar 31st, 2007 12:59:39 PM
the Transformers because of the reemagining of this movie? Superman Returns and Smallville, for instance, have done damage to the Superman myth. People now think Superman is a whiney Abercrombie model and/or selfish celebrity with a messiah complex.
SuperNinja by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	Mar 31st, 2007 01:00:07 PM
I love your posts. You never rely on name calling. Strong. Do you happen to live in the Pheonix Arizona area and frequent a shop by the name of Atomic Comics? Yes or no.
Jimmie, of course I think you're wrong or I wouldn't by superninja	Mar 31st, 2007 01:02:07 PM
be typing this. I'm sorry, but you're just incorrect that people view Transformers so superfically. It's part of pop culture. People know who the main characters are and they know elements of the story. There is a reason it has survived so long. Just because you don't doesn't mean that is not the case for a whole lot of other people. G1 is the most successful part of the Transformers franchise and always has been.
Superninja by TheAllSeeingEye	Mar 31st, 2007 01:03:47 PM
I'd say no more damage than any other incarnation of TF after G1. While i have fond memories of the toys as a kid, i was an avid collector of the comics until i was 15 or so. The comic had mythos that, imo, cannot be beaten. I don't feel threatened by this movie since it's not going to destroy my appreciation of the comics at all. I'm eager to see a live action movie. Sure, it's not going to be the live action movie i wanted to see when i was a kid but..you know..i've kinda been aware that there'd have to be some changes made to realise the franchise on screen. You never know, they might ask the mighty Simon Furman to pen a sequel.
HeWhoCannotBeNamed, I don't live in Phoenix by superninja	Mar 31st, 2007 01:03:50 PM
I live in the Los Angeles area.
Bay got paid and he ruined a franchise by jegoing74	Mar 31st, 2007 01:04:53 PM
It's unfortunate he had to ruin something I grew up with. Bay doesn't have a vision, all he sees is fire and destruction. Oh, what potential this film franchise had, then dreamworks/paramount had to go and hire megalomaniac bay
AllSeeingEye, if you love the mythology that by superninja	Mar 31st, 2007 01:05:58 PM
much, how could you possibly say this film has any relation to that? It is reductive focusing almost entirely on the human characters. The TF are reduced to a special effect. 1) What is the point of that,and 2) frankly, how is that "new" in any way, shape or form?
I'm not saying it does have any relation.. by TheAllSeeingEye	Mar 31st, 2007 01:09:02 PM
What i'm saying is i'm not that bothered. It won't destroy my love for the comic in any way, shape or form. I'm not losing sleep over it. To put the movie i'd want to see on the screen it'd need to be 7 hours long. It'd make a good tv show though. Anyway, you never know, i could go and see this movie and decide it's a huge pile of shit. But i won't draw any conclusions until i've seen it.
What started out as a toy commercial by HeWhoCannotBeNamed	Mar 31st, 2007 01:11:50 PM
became something complex and wonderful. If the toy commercial/cartoon is your only frame of reference that's just fine. The writers didn't look beyond the toy commercial mentality. There's much more there and begging to be told. Why is not reasonable to want more of a concept that more potential than what is presented via this film?
I'm not losing sleep over it, either. But I think by superninja	Mar 31st, 2007 01:12:56 PM
it's an important point to make because Hollywood tends to destroy good mythology. And the money made from movies overrides all other things unless they are defended intellectually. I think the original myths tend to be the strongest and the most worthy of adaptation and I think that is something worth argueing for. It's incredibly important if you want good superhero or fantasy and sci-fi films because that is exactly what drives them. What we are getting instead is a bunch of pretty CGI with empty characters and poor story. With the advanced in technology, they should be making better films, but they're not.
Superninja by Jimmie Dimmick	Mar 31st, 2007 01:13:30 PM
I do not think that they aren't a part of pop culture, just not such a big part as to merit this kind of hatred. Do yourself a favor and click over to the Geico Caveman talkback and have a read. Tell me your not shaking your head and crying for humanity by the time you get halfway down the page. That's how I feel reading the constant transformers talkback spewings. I just can't believe the stupidity behind the postings. It's a Toy commercial here verses an insurance comercial there.
Exactly, HeWho. It is about potentiality by superninja	Mar 31st, 2007 01:14:30 PM
not merely having an adaptation as though we've been thrown a bone. We will be having to pay for it.
Jimmie - no. by superninja	Mar 31st, 2007 01:18:18 PM
Ha ha, no interesting the caveman talkback! LOL.
oh and about better films... by Jimmie Dimmick	Mar 31st, 2007 01:19:43 PM
Hollywood doesn't care about making better films. NO ONE GOES TO SEE THEM. (Kiss Kiss Bang Bang/Momento/Pan's/Black Snake Moan) They want to make MONEY MAKERS (The Animal/Wild Hogs/Night at the Museum)
That shot in "Hidden" ripped straight from Metal Gear. by thelivingdoll	Mar 31st, 2007 01:24:24 PM
Kojima says "I am the SO pissed!!!"
Damn by Mr. Lahey	Mar 31st, 2007 01:25:15 PM
it, I'm still at work and can't watch this for another 3 hours. It's kiling me. Did it look cool? I bet it did. Any Transformers voices?
The toy commercial... by INWOsuxRED	Mar 31st, 2007 01:31:18 PM
was passed on to comic book writers and illustrators, and cartoon writers and animators that actually flushed out distinguisable characters and stories that people enjoyed. What is so hard to understand about that? Lots of creative people worked to make Transformers and beloved franchise. Just because the STORIES were currated in an effort to sell toys, doesn't mean they were bad(or good).
Fucking love "The Island" vibe by AlwaysThere	Mar 31st, 2007 01:39:50 PM
to this movie. One way or another the bastards out there that didn't see that movie will be able to experience small sprinklings of it in this movies release.
2 seconds of robot by INWOsuxRED	Mar 31st, 2007 01:48:01 PM
means an entire film has been knocked out of the park?
human stories will suck, but... by Bongalongadingdong	Mar 31st, 2007 02:01:19 PM
Michael Bay looks like he nailed it. That must really hurt you "lore" nerds deep down. I loved, loved, loved Transformers as a kid but I certainly don't revere the sanctity of the source material like I would with something like The Book of the New Sun or Watchmen.
Its just to bad that people by emeraldboy	Mar 31st, 2007 02:07:54 PM
have made up thier minds already. I am really loking forward to this. If you dont like it then dont go.
If only there were no humans in the film by kevred	Mar 31st, 2007 02:09:44 PM
The robots look great, but I have the feeling that most of the movie is going to be focused on actors looking very serious and running around--in other words, boring padding that works against fan interest. Maybe they're approaching this like "Independence Day", but personally, I don't need my giant-robots-invade-Earth films to be 'humanized' so I can 'relate' to the story. But I suppose if they want anyone besides guys to see the movie, concessions have to be made. :) As for whether the robots have too little personality--they do look a bit "busy" in their designs, but then again, so far we've mostly seen shots of either the transforming process (a concept which all those not familiar with the product need to see demonstrated) or flurries of action. We really can't tell whether they have "personality" or not until we see long/slow/closeup shots or quieter moments, none of which we've seen yet.
Easy there, ganymede2010. by Mr. Nice Gaius	Mar 31st, 2007 02:11:40 PM
Try not to lay it on too thick. We have yet to see the film, so doubt is still a viable option. ;^)
Hey BSB... by Mr. Nice Gaius	Mar 31st, 2007 02:13:32 PM
...have you found out who Frank Welker is yet?
Shia's looking like a good choice by kevred	Mar 31st, 2007 02:13:35 PM
I thought he was great in "Holes" and he seems right for this too. I'm somewhat dreading the 'Cousin Oliver' effect in Indy 4, but so long as they don't forget the film is about Harrison Ford, it'll probably be alright.
superninja by Mr. Nice Gaius	Mar 31st, 2007 02:25:09 PM
Quote: "It's very good. It just looks nothing like Transformers. The cartoon worked because they TF are essentially human in character, but giant robots. That's what drove the whole stories - they were individuals and the stories were personal in nature. The movie is very far from this, clearly. As a designer, would you make something this complicated the main character in a story or would you just use it to drive the plot like Bay did?" I love your passion about this topic, I really do. However, this post is indicative of everything that is wrong with the pre-hate on this movie. I've seen the robots, too. They certainly look enough like Transformers to me. I certainly don't think they sail too far away from the original incarnations as some people would lead others to believe. In fact, some appear to have received a long overdue overhaul. I could care less that they don't look like carbon copies of the cartoon. I could care less that they don't have human-like faces. WHY? Because they're not human!!! They never were! If the designers and animators can make these creations emote, than why in the world would anyone say the alien concept is bullshit? Or that they're not "individuals"? Or that their individual story threads aren't somehow "personal in nature"? I'm sorry supes, but you're starting to sound like a kid who has been punished by having their G1 Optimus Prime taken away. And please know that I say this with all due respect, my dear.
BringingSexyBack by Mr. Nice Gaius	Mar 31st, 2007 02:27:00 PM
Tsk, tsk. Poseur.
transformers look shit by 1st and only	Mar 31st, 2007 02:44:31 PM
i'd elaborate but whats the point? so dissapointed with this...
So far not a single decent point has been brought... by IndustryKiller!	Mar 31st, 2007 02:44:57 PM
against my apparently highly controversial post above. You can level me with pretentious, I don't care. Fine I'm pretentious, but Im the pretentious guy with an ounce of fucking discretion. I cannot believe how many people didn't attempt to defend the film in any other way but by saying "Get over it the cartoon sucked and Micahel bay rulez". That's not the god damned point. Quality wise obviously a cartoon isn't going to be great. But obviously it captured something bigger than that. WHat the cartoon had was character. SOmething the script, which for the last god damned time 99% OF WHAT WE ARE SEEING OUT OF THE FOOTAGE AGREES WITH, completely lacked. How much shit blows up is not a good yardstick of any film, action or not. Die Hard isn't classic JUST because things blow up, its a classic because Bruce Willis's McClane is an excellent character who we love going on a ride with. You people come off as thinking that character has nothing to do with a story's success. I mean do you really believe that? I don't care about the genre, romantic comedy, action, drama, character is absolutely tantamount. You can't love film and deny that. Then there is a good lot of you that say "you've accepted long ago this isn't going to be what we wanted it to be" well I haven't. I mean I accept the reality that the film will suck, but I certainly won't excuse it. I never have and I never will with any film, I simply love the medium too much to do that. And as far as the designs go, and I cant believe Im still fielding this accusation, I know, absolutely and 100%, that changes needed to be made. And I am in no way asking for the blocky robots of the old cartoon. WHat I AM asking for is at least some resemblence of the characters I know and love. ANd how the fuck can you argue with that? If you weren't a fan of them in the first place, then why don't you make your own god damn giant robot film? WHy do you have to root for changing something that clearly means something to alot of people already? Why are you even interested in a Transformers film if you thought the whole thing sucked in the first place? I don't go on Speed Racer talkbacks and champion the wholesale deconstruction of that character do i? WHy? Because I have no connection to the character, And it would make me an asshole to disrespect the people who do. It seems in practice that YOU in fact are the pretentious ones who wants things YOUR way. As for being big fans of Michael Bay, there I can't help you. All I can say is if you let my commentary on it get on your nerves then its probably because you are self concious about it yourself. Also just beause you like something, doesn't make it good. You should have the sense to say "Yeah this entertains me, but it certainly isn't quality." For instance if you are a fan of Nickelback, professional wrestling, and yes, Michael Bay. Now I'll probably have people form Nickelback and WWE forums coming after me.
this movie sucks but will make alot of money by sokitome	Mar 31st, 2007 02:48:13 PM
you know what i am a snob, cuz the masses are mostly fucking idiots. you guys are the same drones that makes wildhogs 100 million and buys britney albums. This movie looks more and more like a piece of shit. there are several transforming robot stories; i.e. gobots and macross. Everything that seperated transformers from those has been completely sucked out by this movie. Industry Killer is exactly right. The more i see of this the more i hate it. Dr. Zoidberg the fact that u put "The Rock" up there with Raiders of the Lost ark, or the fact u thought armegeddon was a good movie just further exemplifies my point that u are an idiot and i'll be happy to seperate myself as a snob from you.
COOL FOOTAGE!!! by wackybantha	Mar 31st, 2007 02:50:42 PM
AM I RIGHT, PEOPLE??? AM I RIGHT???
You don't deserve a decent point.. by TheAllSeeingEye	Mar 31st, 2007 02:55:18 PM
And What are you being descrete about? Being a closet queer? Get a thesaurus you pretentious cock.
And nothing industrykiller said by lionbiu	Mar 31st, 2007 02:57:43 PM
...holds any wait to intellignet people. You cannot tell people what to think. I have read the first draft too and no the script is not exactly Citizen Kane, but it actually can be servieable if edited well and some devlopments are made....you are basing everything on a draft script months old and a idiotic love for a stupid cartoon show...reading posts like yours makes me lose the will to live. You stated your case...no one gives a shit, so let it go. It will still make huge bucks and it could still be B-movie fun (which the fucking show was anyway).
Hey sokitome... by Mr. Nice Gaius	Mar 31st, 2007 03:02:15 PM
...the idiotic masses are what made Transformers popular in the first place. Using the "Masses = Fucking Idiots Defense" as a backhanded way of insulting people who are looking forward to seeing the film is impotent and hypocritical. As a snob, you should know better.
Industrykiller by Mr. Lahey	Mar 31st, 2007 03:05:10 PM
"WHat I AM asking for is at least some resemblence of the characters I know and love. And how the fuck can you argue with that?" Again, can I borrow your time machine? All your posts are coming off as if you're stumbling out of the theatre, shaking with rage at what you've just witnessed. Chill out and wait untill you SEE the movie. You might be surprised. If not, rage-post away.
youre dead inside if you dont like the footage by wcoop893	Mar 31st, 2007 03:05:48 PM
lets be honest with ourselves. even if we really do hate the script that much, i COULD become better once its actually translated into a movie. none of you have any right to be saying this movie sucks already because you just dont know shit. the footage was amazing. really amazing.
IndustryKiller! by erichaislar	Mar 31st, 2007 03:06:41 PM
HAHA nice nickleback comment. Worst band on the freaking planet.
Yea as we learned from the past...great FX = great film by Bong	Mar 31st, 2007 03:09:48 PM
Yea
bong, great action = great transformers film. period. by wcoop893	Mar 31st, 2007 03:11:29 PM
they were toys for little kids who also had a cartoon.
be thankful this isnt a kids movie you aholes by wcoop893	Mar 31st, 2007 03:12:45 PM
think about it. you all seem to want a kids movie with your old designs and retarted impossible plot with no humans. did you want a TMNT like version? sounds like it to me
Folks take a look at lionbiu's post by IndustryKiller!	Mar 31st, 2007 03:15:18 PM
That is how NOT to respond in an intelligent fashion. Nothing I said makes any sense to an intelligent person apparently. Well if my arguments are so flimsy why don't you actually take a crack at addressing them? You in fact AGREE that the script is bad but maybe, Im assuming through Bay's "filmmaking technique" (an oxymoron btw), it will somehow turn out alright. Well I don't share your optimism but at least you are with me on the script. And once again I am pretentious but hes the one who wants Transformers done HIS way, not like the "stupid cartoon" that the film happens to be based on. "The cartoon you loved as a child is STUPID and Bay should change everything about it so I can enjoy it. YOU are pretentious for thinking otherwise." That is pretentious. Yeah, I'M the pretentious one. Riiiiight. And Crabman, I totally agree. And I won't be seeing it. I'll download it andw atch it without giving one red cent.
Mr. Lahey by IndustryKiller!	Mar 31st, 2007 03:18:16 PM
If I like the movie, honestly I'll admit what about it I liked. I may be stentorient about not liking what is out there but I am a reasonable man. But if somehow, by the grace of god, I see the film and like it I'll admit that. Maybe by the time July 4th rolls around I'll have gotten this out of my system and somehow I'll be able to enjoy it on some B-movie level, I don't know. But for now the whole thing leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
i take bays transformers over cartoon anyday. and by wcoop893	Mar 31st, 2007 03:20:05 PM
please go more out of your way to bitch about shit. all of you, its great fun to read
dr. gaius fact check by sokitome	Mar 31st, 2007 03:25:09 PM
hey tard the popularity of the show was preceeded by that of the toy. The toys were mass marketed and sold in various markets. The show was created to advertise and sell tht TOY. The show was launched AFTER the toy was already popular. The quality of the show contributed to it's longevity WAY after it's mass appeal had faded. In other words the creators of the show did not have to make the story so watered down as to please everyone. The TOY was already popular and kids wanted to see the cartoon. This was why everyone remembers the Transformers and not the Gobots cartoon which was very watered down and crap. The creation and marketing of a toy should be way different than that of show or movie, at least it was that way back then. Today Bay took the already popular show and seems to have taken away the personal characteristic that made the show unique and packaged it for a very braod audience.
I mean just how shitty is this script? by Neo Zeed	Mar 31st, 2007 03:27:13 PM
All I hear is that this script rancid. So what level shitty is it? Is it Superman Returns level? Spawn level shitty? Ecks vs Sever shitty? Or Cool World shitty? Which one?
Wcoop you clearly hate the Transformers by IndustryKiller!	Mar 31st, 2007 03:28:36 PM
So let me ask you. How can you not, at least on some level, understand why people who did like TF want a film closer to their heart? I mean there has to be soemthing out there that if they made a film out of it and took out everything that made it good you would be upset. Man I totally understand wanting a big giant robot movie with lots of stuff blowing up. I wouldn't mind that either. But that ISN'T what made Transformers great. Dude back int he 80's there were tons of lame toy franchises that looked cool. But Transformers had soemthing else, something that makes it endure. That's not my opinion that's a fact. You don't see them making a movie out of C.O.P.S., or M.A.S.K., or Insectoids do you? You keep saying the cartoon is stupid yet the movie will be great. How do you make that distinction? Because I can assure you the writing in the cartoon is no worse than the script for the film. In fact you can gleam better characterization from two hours of the cartoon than the movie. So what yardstick are you using? Is it simply because it's live action? Or that it has more advanced special effects? If that is the case than you can't call the cartoons stupid while espousing praise for the film, because you are judging purely on aesthetic value. The look alone does not make one thing stupid and another smart, or at least less stupid.
IndustryKiller by lionbiu	Mar 31st, 2007 03:36:15 PM
your response and every single one of your posts have been the exact way NOT to discuss a movie...YOU HAVE NOT SEEN!! I am not being optomistic, the script was a draft so it could possibly been developed...I realise nothing has changed much, from some of the scenes, but I just can't take this whole "Love for the characters" bullshit...as if there was any characters...you call people out for eating up waht hollywood produced, but you have seem to eaten up exactly what Hasbro fed you in the 80's. To the point were you actually think it had some sort of mythology. Now grow up and go play outside.
i understand its different and nobody likes change, but by wcoop893	Mar 31st, 2007 03:36:50 PM
come on. i think if you really think about it, none of this change is for the worst. especially visually. no matter how different they look. action is clearly a huge part of the transformers appeal, as well as with their actual transformation. well, transformations are looking completely kick ass. we all know action is going to be great. and hey, we are not getting a movie for little kids. so suck it up and enjoy it like someone like me who doesnt have this die hard love for the old cartoon. its different and kind of new, so take it like that.
Don Murphy "Producer" by agentf1	Mar 31st, 2007 03:37:13 PM
Don Murphy's track record isn't so hot for handling good source material. League Of Extraordinary Gentleman is a GREAT example of that. He COMPLETELY botched that. He could have adapted Alan Moore's comic book straight up and it would have ran CIRCLES around the movie they made. Like the poster mentioned above, Don was big on trying to get transformers fans involved early on, but clearly decided his crew (Bay, etc) knew better. This movie is almost unrecognizable as Transformers, save the names and symbols. No one was asking for a direct translation of the old cartoons, comics, but the script they ended up using is rubbish. The leaked script is dead on so far with ALL the trailers they've shown.
Ok, the Michael Bay "lovers" are startin to piss me off by GibsonUSA Returns	Mar 31st, 2007 03:38:30 PM
First of all, I'm not a Bay "hater". I liked The Rock and a few other movies of his. When they first annouced him as director, I was happy and defending him because the 1986 movie seems very "Bay-ish" to me. I'm just a TF fan in the middle, with concerns so sometimes I sound like I'm leaning towards the hater column. But I'm not a hater. I can understand how some of the more aggressive "haters" here can sound whiney. But who pisses me off 100x MORE are these Bay "lovers" who seem to say ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING to defend this movie. What are you, guerilla salespersons working for Paramount here to generate buzz?? I'm not saying you are, but it sounds like it to me. STOP putting words in our mouths, b*tches! I have not read ONE SINGLE person say they want this movie to look exactly like G1. NOT ONE. I haven't even read someone implying they wanted that. The only people mentioning this are the people defending the movie. All I've heard are people saying that the robot designs are very messy, and they don't suit the characters. What's wrong with THAT?? They ARE messy, and they DON'T suit the characters as we traditionally know them! Nobody mentioned anything about exactly like G1!! Starscream looks nothing like ANY Starscreams (all of which have maintained a vaguely consistent look). And I like how the Bay lovers resort to attacking the TV series in order to defend the movie. "The TV show SUCKED to begin with!!"....Um, okay....if Transformers has always sucked, then why call this movie Transformers? Though YOU may feel TF on TV sucks, many other fans may like it....and if you're gonna call a movie "Transformers", don't you think you should respect the source material? Transforming robots are not limited to the Transformers....Go-Bots and Power Rangers also feature them. It's retarded for you to defend a movie called Transformers by attacking the Transformers. R-E-T-A-R-D-E-D. If you're guerilla salespersons, obviously I'm not going to change your mind. But if you're not, think about what you are saying, and stop putting words in our mouths. I am hoping this TF movie will be good and prove all my concerns to b

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