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Want A Little Peek At Some NORMAL ADOLESCENT BEHAVIOR?

first by darthhirsty	Mar 28th, 2007 05:13:27 AM
again
Amber Tamblyn is Alive ? by Itchy	Mar 28th, 2007 05:30:39 AM
No way. Someone call Herc and tell him to dust off his penis pump.
Kids part 2 by silentjay	Mar 28th, 2007 05:33:34 AM
We know kids today act like sex-crazed, drug-using retards. Just watch 30 min. of MTV.
Oh dear. by Reelheed	Mar 28th, 2007 05:38:22 AM
Looks like 'Skins'. Young pretty people taking off clothes, drinking, doing drugs and fucking. Dodge city. Just because it depicts illegal or taboo behaviour doesn't make it clever or challenging and this taster certainly doesn't make me think there is more to it. Kids certainly shouldn't be sold the idea that acting like an animal is normal adolescent behaviour. This mainly smells like headline chasing to me.
No by BannedOnTheRun	Mar 28th, 2007 05:45:09 AM
No sir, no I don't.
Reelhead... by TheRealMoriarty	Mar 28th, 2007 06:10:40 AM
Go check out my review. The movie's not what you think it is. If anything, it's a refutation of what you're talking about. This is a really sharp film, and this is just a weeeeee li'l glimpse at it.
Well... by DocPazuzu	Mar 28th, 2007 06:24:25 AM
...Garner certainly is teh hot, which is enough to get me to see it on DVD eventually and if it actually turns out to be more than that in substance, then I'll be even more pleased.
13 by Affleckwasthebomb	Mar 28th, 2007 06:26:04 AM
It looks a little like thirteen to me, a film I thought was trying to bring up and deal with issues that face adolescents but then did it in a way that i thought was slightly exploititive. I agreed with the issues it was trying to talk about but not the way it ultimately did it. This sounds interesting and I hope it doesn't hit the same traps Thirteen did.
Architectural marvel that is Kelli Garner's rack? by AARONIUS	Mar 28th, 2007 06:38:54 AM
Okay, you made it a point of posting in this talkback to tell someone how "smart" this movie is and one of your main selling points for the trailer is this girl's breasts? Probably not the best argument for the "intelligence" I'm sure this film delivers.
... by mr ahole ramirez	Mar 28th, 2007 07:53:22 AM
...movies like this makes me mad that my teenage years wasnt so crazy...that and Save by the Bell...
Skins The Movie... by jpdisco	Mar 28th, 2007 08:13:20 AM
Agreed Reelheed...and Skins was painfully boring. And didn't even have the 'architectural marvel' of Kelli Garner's rack going for it.
Mori.... by dead000	Mar 28th, 2007 08:51:47 AM
I was supposed to work on this flick last year around this time. My friend who is the production designer had a difficult time describing the tone of the script. When I read it, it felt like a John Hughes script had been raped by Daniel Waters. And I mean that in the best possible way. Footage looks great and Mori, I heard that same bit about Mimzy going to Sundance in this film's place. This will get a release supposedly around June. This isn't your typical teen comedy/drama. There is more depth and characterization to these "kids". It's not about sex. Well, not entirely. The clip, while great, doesn't really do the film justice.
that song sure is groovy, isnt it? by mrgreentheplant	Mar 28th, 2007 11:10:05 AM
myspace.com/thebloodarm it's called "suspicious character"
How Is Larry Clark Not The Director Of This? by www.valiens.com	Mar 28th, 2007 11:25:31 AM
It's got his name written all over it. In jizz.
Larry Clark - by Itchy	Mar 28th, 2007 12:26:49 PM
how true. What a perv. How cool is it that he found a way to get paid for taking lingering shots of Bijour Phillips pussy and MacCauley Culkin's Ex-Wife pissing. A true hero ! Anyway, I did some more checking on this film (which I haven't heard of until now) and it does sound kind of interesting. Hardcore John Hughes is intriguing. Now if only they could recast Amber Tamblyn with a 17 year old Molly Ringwald. Meeeeeooooow.
Read the review. Still not sure. by Reelheed	Mar 28th, 2007 02:04:00 PM
It still sounds very much like sensationalism. Now bearing in mind the fact I haven't seen anything other than this taster I want to ask questions such as: are the sex scenes necessary? are they depicted realistically? what is the message being sent out? If the film is only trying to say "having multiple fuckbuddies when you are still in high school is both strange and wrong" then isn't the entire exercise ultimately pointless (i.e. patently obvious) other than as a showcase for controversial writing. Admittedly this position is a bit pessimistic - the film may have something new and insightful to say about being a teen. There may well be more to it than teens shagging then discovering that, actually, they're all emotionally fucked up. However I'll have to read more reviews before I might want to see it.
Here's what's happening to the film, Moriarty by DonQuixote	Mar 28th, 2007 04:13:17 PM
It's being retitled --wait for it--"Havoc 2: Normal Adolescent Behavior," and it's going to DVD in July.
Don.... by dead000	Mar 28th, 2007 04:26:50 PM
Don, Who told you that? I know Havoc 2 was being considered for a bit. The info I heard was that the bond company, financers, almost have it and will shop it out to other studios interested in picking up the film. It's also playing Tribeca this year. So hopefully, someone will acquire it there since New Line is backing off. Hell, it was independently produced and a negative pickup for New Line anyways.
I'm not sure how based on reality this is. by IndustryKiller!	Mar 28th, 2007 08:04:50 PM
I wasn't a teenager all that long ago and, color me crazy, but I don't really remember this whole side of it. I'm sure if I did I would have enjoyed it more. There seems to be a growing trend to take what was dealt with in 80's and 90's teen comedies, and present it in some real world fashion to disguise it as this world of teenage sex and debauchery that is occuring everywhere right under our noses! And really it's just sensationalism. I mean yeah, sex and drinking, its a part of teenage life. But I think films like this are trying to create a culture rather than actually reflect one. I mean a group off riends who get together eevry weekend to have orgies? C'mon. MAAAAAAAYBE it has happened, somewhere, before, a time or two. But this is certainly not a reflection of teenage life in America. More the tall tale urban legends that we like to portray it as to make life seem more exciting than it is. Now I know Mori says it isnt like that, but the fact of the matter seems to be that its about a group of teenagers who get together for orgies. OK maybe thats not the THEME of the film, but it certainly seems to be in the story. Now I'm sure the (nonsensically overly beautiful) characters are great and everything but it seems about as accurate as a high school expose as Napoleon Dynamite. Also its apparently got some kid who was on Laguna Beach, there goes that acting credibility.
no man-made architecture needed to Ms Garner by Amy Chasing	Mar 28th, 2007 08:51:17 PM
she's 100% natural I believe
okay, this is a freaky experience by BethSchacter	Mar 28th, 2007 09:14:44 PM
So you come home, check your email and somehow all these people are talking about your movie on the internet. Now, I can't really comment on New Line but I can talk about the subject matter. So here goes, my first (and maybe only if I get totally killed) post on AICN. Industry Killer: This is based on my high school experience and tons of research including a fairly prominent New York Magazine article about "cuddle puddles" and these kind of groups. We used hundreds of extras from the Providence area and all of them knew of exactly this kind of group in their respective schools. But the movie also comments on the "mythology" if you will, of this culture. Reelhead: I don't think the movie is sensationalistic but then again, I made it. I will say that Drew is right -- it debates the issues of teen sexuality and doesn't come down on either side. It isn't polemic (I don't think) and it asks you, the audience member, to think about your own morals. This is not a movie that preaches sex is good or bad. Just that it is out there, like it or not. And dead00 (do I know you?!?): If there is a god in heaven my posters will say "it is a John Hughes script raped by Dan Waters." So lay it on me you guys. I won't be able to answer any questions about the release or the studio but I'm more than happy to talk about the actual movie. And isn't that what we care about? Actual movies??? pps -- Stephen Colleti auditioned for the role like everyone else. I didn't want to love him, but talent won out over my hatred of all things reality TV.
Beth.... by dead000	Mar 28th, 2007 10:04:12 PM
Well I was to have worked in the art dept. and flown from L.A. to Providence but circumstances kept me from doing so. Seeing the clips, I regret it deeply. Loved the script. This is the kind of film that REALLY needs to find it's intended target audience and unlike the current teen homogenized bullshit that is shoveled down their throats, this has a message. It doesn't talk down to them but to them. Love to chat with you more about the film. Feel free to quote me on your promotional materials, Beth. Hell, I can mix it up for you. Best of luck with the film. ps People should know what's holding this film up...all MIMZIES aside.
TOO ADOLESCENT! by thebearovingian	Mar 28th, 2007 11:17:44 PM
These characters are practically all "little goodie-two-shoes". The real world is much worse. You've been warned.
Cheers Beth by Reelheed	Mar 29th, 2007 08:33:12 AM
Thanks for your time in replying to our remarks. I've read through the New York article you mentioned (http://tinyurl.com/2uu7xv). I cant wait till these kids all become leading economists. Anyways, the responisiblity free language they use makes me think of 'hippie freelove' and given the political atmosphere this past decade strikes me as a similar symptom of counterculture. A 'radical' liberal expression during a time of increased conservatism. However the article would have us believe that 'girls kissing girls' is just more mainstream now thanks to MTV and a sort of lesbian chic. What is your opinion as to the wider source of this form of sexuality and is it reflected in the film?
to Reelheed by BethSchacter	Mar 29th, 2007 12:13:41 PM
I love the idea of all these kids who live with a fluid sexuality becoming economists. Or better yet, part of the armed forces so they can change Don't Ask Don't Tell. The thing about this movie is that it is told from the point of the view of the kids who don't know where this new sexual freedom is coming from, only that it is here, and they have to react. My opinion is that I don't think it is from one source. Porn culture became mainstream, the gay and lesbian movement has made huge strides in terms of becoming more mainstream, rap and hip-hop which has long been part of a pimp/ho culture has been mainstreamed. None of it, on its own, is guilty or malicious. I was more part of the "dating is bourgeois and I will never do it" child of the sixties/high school in the 80s Brett Easton Ellis world. I think these kids are actually on the road to a more healthy sexuality where girls can acknowledge they have sexual desires and take the next step which is controlling what happens to them. That's really the core message (without spoilers) that girls can control what happens to them. This got totally 3rd Wave Feminist all of a sudden! Anyway, this is cool, and I will check back to see if anyone has more questions! xob
hmmm.... by dead000	Mar 29th, 2007 02:33:19 PM
Every culture, i.e. porn / gay & lesbian / hip hop, at one point in time or another becomes mainstream therefore influencing whatever demographic is consciously aware of it and willing to embrace it. If girls now acknowleging and expressing their sexual desires, wants, etc., in the current social climate we are in, doesn't that put them in higher degrees of jeopardy when choosing to express said desires or how said desires could lead to disaster for them if restraint is a known word to the people in question? Having a teenage sister in these times and being a father, I constantly fret / worry about decisions she, or my daughter, will make that will affect their lives as they know it. Advice aside, they are strong & free thinking individuals but our media has such designs on them and their thought processes that what is taught throughout the years can be undone over a shorter amount of time. Each movement, outside of the gay & lesbian movement, constantly exploit the image / voice of women. Doesn't that make it slightly malicious? It may be mainstreamed and streamlined but the underlying disrespect for the female persuasion is still evident every once and a while underneath the bright, shiny MTV slicked surface. Bret Easton Ellis? Don't hear his name much nowadays. Thanks for responding to this talkback, Beth.
dead000 by BethSchacter	Mar 29th, 2007 02:59:24 PM
Does it put girls in jeopardy? Well, it puts girls in power. I think we have to educate girls on how to emotionally and physically handle themselves. Sex ed in schools. Parents who get over themselves and tell their daughters (and sons) about sex, sexual desires, and how to behave. The biggest hindrance to a really liberated generation of girls (in my opinion) is the insistence that lack of information/bad information disguised as "abstinence only education" keeps kids from having sex. Bullshit. It is bad science, bad sociology, bad parenting, bad government. Man, I keep getting on my feminist soapbox. I'll let the filmmaker talk: failure for me is people walking out of the movie and saying, "what's for dinner?" Other than that, any conversation about sex and sexual politics (regardless of whether you liked the film's story) is an unqualified success. You guys are cool. I have to go catch up on all the stuff about "The Mist" and "28 Weeks Later" cause I'm a total fan.

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