moto, gott alove you man, you made this TF talkbacks fun and interesting and enlightening. Not as much fun as say showing a grande in Murphy's ass but still fun...and really that's who i blame for this movie, Don Murphy...Bay is doing what Bay does, I don't damn Micheal Bay, i damn Murphy!!!!!

sorry got on a rant there, but still moto, i respect your opinion and your tenacity and your eagerness and your opinons salute

LET ME HURRY UP AND TEXT MESSAGE ALL MY FRIENDS IN THE WEALTHY 15-TO-21-YR-OLD DEMOGRAPHIC SO THEY CAN ALSO SHARE THIS AWESOME AND UNDERGROUND OPPORTUNITY FOR COOLNESS!!!

OH YEAH AND P.S. I HOPE YOU FUCKING SHILLS DIE GAGGING ON PUSY TUMORS WHILE YOUR FAMILIES ARE KNIFE-RAPED IN FRONT OF YOU!

And in fact, because of their odious presence in this talkback, I am going to pirate Transformers and give away copies to all my friends. I'm going to throw a big "home theater" party on opening weekend and invite the whole neighborhood to watch it at my house. Suck on that, you piss-drinking street-team cunts. Suck on that, and die young.

"TRANSFORMERS: RATED PG-13 for FANTASY VIOLENCE, MILD LANGUAGE, AND ROBOT ACTION THAT IS LIKE WHOOSH"

didn't shithead lepoof mean "FLUSH" when he said whoosh- cos that is where this is heading- right down the pan.

It may just be worse than SR. Unbelievable but true

Prime: "Give it up, Megatron! You've come to plunder this world of it's resources...to destroy it's people...but you are beaten! And it was these 'weak insects' that defeated you!"

Megatron: "Bawk...bawk...baBAwk...cluck. ..BAWK!"

Oh and my biggest problem with Superman Returns was the part where Superman is flying along and then he suddenly flies down into a crowded gay bathhouse and gets multiply super-sodomized in that lengthy rapid-cut montage sequence set to C+C Music Factory. I just felt that section of the film didn't really advance the plot, and definitely should been edited down. 12 minutes is a long time in a superhero movie.

and if you want i'll rape your childhood. why? because you're a fucking grown up now. from a farking cartoon all i can remember is optimus prime. thats it. if i see giant robots slugging it out, im more then happy. do i care that megatron isnt a farking gun? no. do i care thats its voiced by agent smith? no. i don't fucking care. it's a fracking cartoon, am i upset that my fav cartoons like dungeons and dragons and The Centurions aren't a movie as yet? no. grow the fuck up you comic book guy bitches. seriously. go out, get laid, drink, party, travel whatever. go do something else. you spend far too much time then is healthy on a website bitching. if you dont like it, dont go see it. simple as. i betcha will though.

And I won't be seeing it in the cinema. I may download it, or buy it off a pikey (maybe CEScumbag knows someone), but I will not shell out £10 to support it.

Fine, go and enjoy your Bay movie, and feel free to paint all those complaining as basement dwelling, comic collecting cocksuckers that would have a massive aneurism if they ever got to see a pussy (in the flesh- rather than on porn, or in some sordid Hentai). It's your opinion, but for those of us that hate overinflated mediocrity, and see this as the thin end of a shitty stick, please allow any scorn.

Weirder still, I've been baffled by their design for Megatron from day one, but in this image his profile bears a striking resemblance to the Megatron head/helmet that I've never noticed before.

Maybe I'm just seeing things.

Either way, I'm all set for my opening day alcoholic matinee. If it truly is as bad as some of those early script reviewers believe it will be, my brother's already agreed to stand up in the middle of the theater and sing "You've got the touch!" So there will be that to look forward to, at least.

And if it doesn't suck? Well, so much the better.

Instead, we get TINO.

dude, read the script- ask messi or someone for it, it is absolutely dreadful. A lot of the problems with it are that the focus of the film isn't on the robots- it is on shia lebeouf (An actor I despise) and his quest for a girlfriend.

finally, there isn't actually that much action. So your nephews may experience their first cinematic disappointment

Child Rolande--that has to be the best idea and I can assure you that I will either (a) do the same thing, or (b)get one of my friends to sing. I'm pretty sure it will be me, however.

I'm not quite sure who said Megatron looked like a chicken in that poster, but they were spot on. Hell, both MINO and Optimus look like they're sporting those helmets that Sam and Frodo wore in ROTK!! You all know the scene: naked frodo is rescued by sam, "You can't go to mordor dressed in naught but your skin," and then ENTER THE BIRD PEOPLE.

By the way, hi, Rolande, BSB, and Superninja, my favorite webchick. How are you three doing? Is Yack here yet?

I tried to get my hands on a pirated copy to bring but Yack kept going on about needing to see it arseholed in the cinema.

No Yack, yet. Hope he didn't succumb to that nasty cold (or the Ny Quil he was taking for it) last TF talkback.

Good call on the Mordor helmets. Hadn't seen that before, but now that you mention it, it's there.

I was serious about Megatron's profile in this poster looking oddly similar to the classic helmet look he had in his original gun mode (which would make no sense on a jet). Do you think they further manipulated the image for that effect? His nose is just crazy, though.

BSB, you should check out the second Bourne. I found it superior to the first (which I was pretty lukewarm on). Seems like Damon has grown into the role a bit.

I will issue a full report on crowd reaction to the Dirk Diggler sing along, Pillow Talk. At the hour we plan to see the film, I'm concerned that it may just be us and theater staff, but maybe there will be a few kids in the house (and some MILFs for my brother...he's had a bad run of luck with the ladies, recently). Nothing impresses a single mom like drunken emulation of a fictional porn star singing out loud during a movie based on a kid's toy line.

On a side note, for those of you who feel that a jet was a better choice for MINO then gun, I have one question: would a jet have been better than a tank? That would have preserved Meg's M.O. while still making it serious and believable for film.

The Script. Dreadful- especially considering the trite human relationship shite in it

Bay's insistance that this is a story of one boy and his car.

The Designs- not only looking fairly shitty, but also not resembling Transformers. Hence TINO

Bay's track record- no way around it really.

Shia Lebeouf's utter inability to act.

The attitude of Bay and Murphy.

The "comedy"- dog pees on Transformer! how funny is that!

i've probably missed a few, but this should be enough to start with

Looks like your brother will not be getting any MILF action now Childe, since the movie will ROCK!

I'm still not thrilled with the Megatron design. And we're really not getting a good idea of what this new/finalized version looks like with this particular profile shot. Like Childe, I can see more of a resemblance to the ol' G1 Megs. It's too early to tell without seeing the whole "battlemode crest" thing he's gonna be sporting.

Protect & Destroy. Perfect.

It'd be great if they were right, but the fact is - based on everything we know up to now - this movie has much more human interaction and dialogue than it does GIANT ROBOTS KICKING ASS. And that human interaction ain't well written either.

Great that Bay says they're still working on the robot dialogue. Besides the fact that the robots had comparatively little to do in the leaked script, a MAJOR problem was the human dialogue. Shitty.

So all you people who keep thinking you're going to shuck out $12 bucks for alot of ROBOT on ROBOT action, prepare to be fucked over just as badly as those of us who hoped to have a decently made TF flick.

TINO!

come to think of it, I MIGHT have considered seeing this movie if Megan Fox was the main human character instead of Shia. "Spike? Spike who?"

It would have at least made it easier to watch.

Has anyone else noticed that Lapoof bears a striking resemblance to Clay Aiken?? I wonder where is WWJD braclet is at?

So basically, Megs is Skeletor and Prime is He-Man, and they're going after the Cosmic Key. This is too funny.

And who actually makes their motto "Peace through tyranny?" The interesting thing is that Megatron would never say he's a tyrant. No one ever thinks they're a tyrant. This is the infantile level the material is being approached at. Again, the cartoon was more sophisticated!

2. Bumblebee...doesn't talk but communicates by playing sounds on the radio.

3. The "human" plot. Which is essentially typical teen-chick-flick material...unpopular kid falls for the popular girl from school, who it turns out isn't so self-centred and has her own problems yaddy yaddy yadda blah blah blah

4. Megatron...the main villain, who's hardly in the film apart from the last 20 minutes.

5. Human weapons can impact Decepticons? Eh...no. THe whole idea of Transformers is that they're advanced alien machines, way beyond our level of technology...this is like the "lets give the aliens a virus" from ID4.

6. Cheesy jokes that belong in a Disney Channel movie (like dog takes a piss on a TF)

7. The "Transformers plot" which is all about finding a pair of glasses (a rip off from National Treasure???) that will help the Autobots to find the Energon cube which gives machines life.

8. Dancing XBox...enough said

9. Transformers are the supporting cast, when they should be the stars. They have little dialogue (Bumblebee has none and Megatron has a couple of lines) and are reduced to props for joke set ups for a lot of the film.

10. A Michael Bay Film...enough said.

What's Right With TINO?

1. Megan Fox...for eye candy purposes only.

2. The final shot...Optimus Prime standing on top of Mount Everest...the movie might end up sucking but that single shot could be cool.

Bawk...babawk...bawkityBAwk ...bawk. Cluck!!! (Translation: People of Earth, you may have noticed I have a profile of a chicken. Please, I know some think this tame little bird is harmless, and it seems...well, wrong for one as mighty as the suprEME LORD MEGATRON...sorry, I sometimes yell my title and name. Causes fear and respect in my troops, you see. Anywho, oneasmightyasthesupremelordmeg atron...ah, yes. *URHRM* Why do I have a profile like a chicken? Because the chicken is both deceiving and dangerous! Sure, it looks stupid and is as noisy as Bumblebee greasing himself while watching NASCAR, but that is where the deception lies... This fierce beast may...er...claw and rake at you with its mighty claws! Or maybe break your skin with his razor-sharp beak! The body can even run around without its head like the Decepticon Headmasters! But the worst thing? A chicken can kill you even after it's dead! If you're not careful, an undercooked chicken can give you Campylobacter! Or maybe a Salmonella infection whose symptoms may include diarrhea, abdominal cramps, fever, nausea, and/or vomiting. Just think about that for a moment, huh? So fear the mighty chicken, but fear Megachicken...er...Tron...Mega tron even more!!!)

COCK-A-DOODLE-D OOM!

"So why are you here badmouthing a film when you don't even know the source material?"

Because, it could be Transformers, Bionicle or Godzilla...but whatever the source material and however true the film stays to it, at the very least, I expect a good movie, regardless of whether Spidey has organic webbing or Supes has a kid or not (I enjoyed SR by the way though I'll admit it had quite a few flaws...I also loved the SW prequels and could easily compare flaws to flaws in the originals but that's for another thread.)

"Ok then smartass...what would your TF movie be?"

Pretty basic stuff...my very vague TF outline from 2 years ago:

Cybertron. A world ruled by machines. Their creators, if they even existed, were unknown, disappearing into the depths of space eons ago. Their evolution was impossible...yet it happened anyway. The machines thrived, creating an advanced society...but within every civilisation there are those who wish to destroy freedom and seize control for themselves.

Cybertron is at war. The Decepticons, led by the villainous Megatron have waged a terrible campaign to seize control of the planet. But even in the darkest times, there is hope. A group of warriors, known as the Autobots have sworn to protect the planet with their very lives. Lead by the heroic, Optimus Prime, they struck back at Megatron, foiling his plans for world domination.

But the war has taken it's toll on Cybertron. Energon reserves, the lifeblood of the planet, that powers everything on the mechanical world, have been depleted. Without energon, the planet Cybertron would fall apart. However, there was one world in the galaxy that had an abundance of Energon, as yet undiscovered by that worlds inhabitants.

Megatron and his Decepticons departed Cybertron, bound for this world followed by the Autobots. Whoever discovered and gained control of the Energon first would decide the fate of Cybertron.

If the Autobots can find and process the Energon first, they can save Cybertron, but if the Decepticons do it first, they will have the means to plunge Cybertron into chaos and hold the entire planet to ransom.

The final battle in the war of the Transformers will take place on a primitive, organic world...called Earth.

Pretty basic stuff...the whole film is basically about finding energon and battles between the Decepticons and the Autobots...there are humans, but they're kept to a minimum (running in fear of giant robots :P ) the military have one battle...and they're beaten badly by the Decepticons.

There's no energon cubes of sparks of life, the energon in the film exists within the planet itself, just one of many raw elements that can be mined.

Yes, the story is pretty basic...but that's what we, or at least I, want from a TF movie...a film that's about the Transformers...no human subplots, no cheesy scenes, just some exposition and a whole lot of robots kicking the crap out of each other. Is that too much to ask?

Megatron is arrogant enough to be fine with admitting he desires being a tyrant. That was one of the great things about Megatron... he was completely enamored with having total and complete power. And he made no secret of that.

http://www.youtube.com / watch?v=BRpQmmMj

http://www. 3dblasphemy.com/ OPTIMUS/OPTIMUS.html