"I know it pretty, baby...but I didnt bring it out for air"

Although--outside of voice casting, I am not happy about anything else about this production...

As for other actors I'd like to see in this, I like the idea of Willem Dafoe for Starscream, Kiefer Sutherland for Ironhide, Peter Weller has a great voice for one of the new Decepticons, likewise Ian McShane. No idea who could play Jazz and embody that particular 'tude of his voice wise (that the late, great Scatman Crothers did so well), nor who would really be able to sell the empathy of Ratchet for that matter.

That's why, when I do get out of this place and make it to the big time, I'm bringing all of you with me. Yeah...even anchorite.

Keith David IS *THE MAN*! Loved the guy since THE THING and I've loved his voice-over work throughout the years. I'm liking the voice cast in this film, however I'm not sold. Not a G1 fanboy or anything, just the trailer did nothing for me and I can't imagine how this film is going to work in its present form. Will probably see it when it comes out as I fun braindead thrillride, but I'm not expecting much.

Also, if the film ends up being really successful I can just imagine the mass raping of 80's cartoons.

Hollywood: Please stay away from anime/manga! Please!!

I think I've covered everything ;)

But where's the King from Platoon love, yo????

"There is a way out of everything, man. Just keep your pecker hard and your powder dry and the world will turn."

"Yeah, cop, I know you, man. I know what you're thinking. You're thinking, we've got us another crazy nigger here with a gun. Well, let me tell you something. Human life means very little to me at this point in time. You see, I thrive on misery. In the jungle, misery's all you got. But things are different back here in the world, or so they seem. Nobody wants to talk about pain and suffering. Everybody wants everything to be nice and civil. Well, OK then. Let's be nice; let's be civil. And let's drop those guns before I pull this trigger and change the way you feel about me. "

Oh, and Mr. Nice Gaius - King was brilliant. Loved that character.

Having said that, Keith David rocks. Can't wait to hear him snarling at the humans.

1. So, harry *IS* apparently blowing Michael Bay.

2. Hey Bay, if you actually gave a majority of the fans what they want, then fewer would bitch. How about a nice cup of fuck you ya jackass bitch? I'd love to bitchslap the taste out of your mouth. We asked you to not fuck too much with some of the characters, but you put flames on Prime and have him saying "My bad." Fuck you ya punk-ass bitch.

He's a great actor AND voice actor. Him and Weaving, are great news for this (apparently) doomed movie

I can just imagine some dull actress playing the new white-washed version of Matoko set in LA or New York. Yawn! I bet Cowboy Bebop's next. It'll probably be like Serenity (Bebop inspired in areas), but total crap. *sheds tears* No human can fill Faye's shoes...or bra.

Superninja: shhh, someone might hear you. Gargoyles live action in Hollywood = Nipples on Goliath. It would be such a bad raping, people would be filing sexual assault charges after leaving the cinema.

Last I heard, Megs was the only Decepticon capable of speech, unless you count Starscream speaking a single line in Cybertronian subtitle. All this recent voicecasting reeks of retooling and damage control. Too little too late.

The job of the trailer is to sell me on the product. I've yet to be sold. And then top it off with a vicious dose of horrid leaks from the set.

Not gonna pay. Nope. Not even a decent try at getting me to contribute to the box office receipts. The only way this flick will see any patronage from me is via whatever cash they receive from airing it on pay channels I already subscribe to anyhow and would have regardless.

and nemesisdarkside you forget sexy tomboy beanpole

"There are several sacred things in this world that you don't *ever* mess with. One of them happens to be another man's fries. Now, you remember that, and you will live a long and healthy life. "

Fucking brilliant line! Men at Work is a better film than this insult to cinema. No money from me and that's why I refrain from discussing it. I enjoy most of what most of you have observed/surmised. However, I am a comic freak and therefore impossible to please. It's all robots all the time in the books I read. Think Simon Furman was brought in to write the dialogue? Does it really matter? Hope you guys get what you pay for. I passed on Superman Returns, X3, FF, GR and others due to what I knew before hand. Look how those turned out. Certainly not highly revered films........

Gotta say, I have not posted regarding the TINO movie. I really don't have the ability to debate like you guys do. SuperNinja - I have enjoyed yours and most of the other TBers musings/summations/observation s about this appauling and ultimately insulting movie. So many, many, many possibilities and this is what they consider to be palatable to a mass/broad audience? Maybe I should start submitting scripts to Hollywood. Clearly it takes little ability and vision.

Before I am "jumped" heres why I refuse to see this. I have read the draft script, watched the Don Murphy interviews/symposiums, retched at the horrible Hasbro designs that Bay approved and viewed the trailer. That's enough for me to make an educated decision. But Michael Bay is directing it. That in and of itself is enough reason to pass. I still marvel at all the mindless automatons that flock to see his supposed pretty explosions and great action pieces. Clearly I am missing something. Clearly I am a minority or flim snob or whatever I am to be labeled. I refuse to pay to watch this tripe. But that's the great thing about film. There is something out there for everyone. Good luck guys. Hope you enjoy it.

Oh, and on topic, Keith David is a MackDaddySuperPimp. Great actor. Great voice. Glad to see he is getting lots of work.

Fucking Thank You.

TINO, BITCHES!

Oh, and I bet MCMLXXVII will crack before MCMLXXVI, FUCKIN POSER!

I am, however, militantly pissed off about the amount of sub-standard crap that is being produced every summer, and as TF seems to have the most vocal and (frankly) furious fans, this is the film to bitch about.

I also pathologically hate Michael Bay, not only for the films he directs, but for the fact that (could be wrong) he is behind the current trend of destroying classic horror/ films.

And as for shia leprick... well, words fail me.

http://www.yojoe.com/magazine/ solicitations/2006/images/amer icaselite17.shtml

Dicks. Look at the shit Hasbro shoved down Larry Hama's throat during the origina G.I. Joe run. All shit, but he still crafted some cool stories. Hasbro should have demanded more of their product concerning the Transformers line. Out of my control save for the simple fact that I will not pay to see GIANT FUCKING ROBOTS which is clearly what everyone wants. Sci-Fi is capable of much more. Now excuse me while I pout whilst taking care of my daughter.

Keith David is still a wonderful choice to voice anything.

I hang my head in shame

Mind you, I have been burnt by that before- A bit ago I bought (quite a bit ago) Kong off one in kensington and was astounded to find that it was a mint-perfect copy of King Kong: The Legend Reborn from 1976. A fine film, and actually better than Jackson's one

I know none of this means anything to you. You guys are convinced that every word you read will be on the screen as-is.

PS: MICHAEL BAY SUCKS!

Again, fair enough. Cheers.

Bay himself said he did not want to make a toy movie, but then went ahead and made a toy movie.

HeWho, I met my lovely bride, The Warden, at the ripe age of 15 and never looked back (I'm 36 now). Something should be said about the positive virtues of a warm meal and a roll in the sack every night! And how old are yours? My daughter is 9 and my son is 15. The last few years have been great for sharing with them live action stuff based on the stuff I grew up on, be it well adapted or otherwise. They're interested enough to hear and read up on the differences. And my son is entering a cool, new stage in his life. Took him to see 300 at IMAX since I think he can handle that sorta thing now. I wish my dad was a geek.

But Bay unfortunately sounded good ON PAPER. I knew this property was screwed once they released the picture of Barricade, the Decepticon *car*. Everyone familiar with the property knows that Autobots = ground vehicles and Decepticons = air vehicles. Damn, even the profit mongers at Hasbro squeezed the udders nearly dry before they started releasing polar opposite vehicles for each side.

Just because some folks won't go to the theater to see this, doesn't mean they never will. There is cable and rentals after all. So, no remorse from you!

I personally will not be paying to see this. However, I do urge anyone concerned about this property that still wants to see it in the theater TO SEE IT the 2ND WEEK of release. Send a message. Never hurts to write Hasbro either. I haven't received a reply and surely won't, but at least I know they got the message.

No offense but, are you sure you know your Transformers? Do you know how many G1 characters do no match the description you just gave???

Well, bear in mind I was into the comics and didn't watch the cartoons until much later. That may account for differences to an extent. Having dug them out recently, I can say for a fact that this is stated in issue 1. Hell, take a look at the entire G1 run. The air vs. ground vehicle premise was standard until the Stunticons came out. Sorry, but I've forgotten the name of the simultaneously released Autobot airforce. Soundwave could fly even though his alt mode wasn't a flying mechanism. And there were no Autobots that could fly early G1.

Now, perhaps you want to throw Swoop and Devestator in my face, but surely you can admit they were the exception to the rule. Or, I could argue that they weren't autobots and decepticons, but rather dinobots and constructicons. ;-) And Bumblebee's original Cybertronian alt mode being a hover craft really shouldn't count as an air vehicle.

What do you consider G1, the stuff originally released in the first batch, or anything that was released up to the 1986 movie? Perhaps that also could account for why we disagree.